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Caroline
miller:
yeah-
it's
mostly
thank
you,
everyone
for
being
here
and
I'm
excited
for
today
and
for
all
of
us
to
be
able
to
just
kind
of
have
a
free
flowing
conversation.
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Dave
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osbt:.
So
if
that
sounds
good,
we'll
do
that
real
briefly
and
then
we'll
get
into
the
essence
of
the
conversation.
So
karen
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
start
in
that
regard,,
given
that
you
had
the
longest
tenure
on
the
board,
so,,
if
you
would
be
willing
to
launch
that,
that
would
be
great.
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kuntz,
osbt:
right
right.,
karen
hollweg
osbt:.
Well,
the
first
place
that
came
to
mind
of
several
was
the
toe
heat
trail,
and
I
really
like
the
toe.
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trail
because
it's
a
spot
where
solitude
is
possible,
and
when
the
trails
were
moved
away
from
the
drainage
and
and
shortened
to
reduce
fragmentation
in
that
drainage.
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Michelle
estrella
(she/her),
osbt:
okay,
ask
a
question:
how,
along
those
lines.
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hollweg
osbt:
may
very
well
be
true,,
and
I
certainly
don't
want
to
try
to
address
everything.
The
second
sentence
that
I.
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Dave
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osbt:
person
on
the
board
participating
in
those
in
those
conversations,,
because
I
do
think
it
makes
the
transition
smoother
and
more
effective
man.
I
don't
think
you
have
to
lose
efficiency,
just
because
there's
one
other
person
that
that's
attending
so
the
question.
I
would
ask
dan
is.
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hallstein,
osbt:
and
I
think
that's
critical
because
I'm
having
what
it
works
well,
if
the
person
actually
does
observe
if
the
person
has
views
during
that
period
of
time,,
you
now
have
two
board
members
and
no
real
way
to
break
a
disagreement.
There's
not
an
odd
number,.
It
becomes
far
more
complex,
so.
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hallstein,
osbt:.
I
think
it's
really
important
that
whoever
we
do
nominate
to
that
role,
take
seriously
the
fact
that
they
stand
as
a.
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:
can
I
offer
just
a
few
thoughts
there.
I
think
you're
exactly
right.
The
charter
does
clearly
authorize
our
ability
to
convene.
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Dan
burke;
cob
osmp:
in
leading
up
to
the
first
part
of
2020,
where
we
were
having
multiple
meetings
and
study
sessions,
we're
dealing
with
master
plan
and
the
prairie
dog
management
area,
though,,
and
we
expect,
as
we
move
into
more
engagement
coming
up,
that
will
will
need
that
ability
to
have
these.
This
flexibility.
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kuntz,
osbt:
at
subsequent
or
future
board
meetings,
we're
running
we're
running
late
and
we
still
have
a
number
of
things
to
go
through,,
but
I
don't
want
to
lose
sight
of
an
issue
of
minutes
in
this
habitation.
So.
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Michelle
estrella
(she/her),
osbt:
of
the
board,
discuss
this
and
discuss
that,
and
then
we
go
through
them
minutes
and
say
and
approve
those
minutes
and
they're
meant
to
provide
context
to
discussion.
That
is
recorded,.
But
then
we
are
are
trying
to
memorialize
context
of
a
discussion
that
can
be
debatable.
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Caroline
miller:,
I
don't
know
that
I
would
have
suggested
this
without.
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:,
I
included
for
background
to
links
to
two
newspaper
articles,,
the
most
recent
example
of
which
was
a
letter
from
mayor
sam
weaver
and
councilwoman
mary
young,
and
it
related
to
two
different
topics,.
But
one
part
of
it
was
the
cu
south
valid
item
that
is
presently
on
people's
balance..
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Michelle
estrella
(she/her),
osbt:
near
the
near
majority
of
this,
this
board
is,
is
showing
their
cards,,
and
this
is
how
they
feel
about
this
issue,.
So
I
think
it
sends
a
message
that
perhaps
karen
davey
didn't
really
intend
to,
but
from
you
know,
community
members
reading
that
I
think
that
it
it
sends.
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:
going
into
a
lot
of
2022,
so
it
seems
like
people
understand
the
issue.
Can
we
take
a
look
at
a
nod
to
pete?
It
seems
like
right.
Now,
people
are
forming
up
of
the
view
that
it
is
possible
to
communicate
publicly
with
one
of
your
core
core
co
board
members
in
a
personal
capacity
or
not.
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Caroline
miller:
was
far
broader
when
I
revisited
my
interpretation
of
the
charter
than
that,.
I
think
I
originally
viewed
it
during
my
first
year
on
the
board,
so
just
making
sure
that
we
are
appropriately
using
our
you
know.
Full
scope
and
capacity
of
you
know
what
we're
here
to
do
for
open
space.
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dave,
kuntz,,
osbt:
well,.
I
agree
with
the
increase
the
visitation,
however,
realistically,.
I
just
can't
believe
that
see
you
south
isn't
going
to
continue
to
be
front
and
center
in
the
coming
year,
so,
from
my
perspective,,
that
that
would
be
the
one
that
we
still
want
to
focus
our
relationship
with
counsel.
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hallstein,
osbt:
and
dan
do,.
Can
you
just
tell
me:
do
you
visualize
in
the
recreation
management
planning,
process,
obviously,
will
be
making
recommended
recommendations
to
counsel,,
but
what
any
other
elements,
they
would
already
be
guaranteed
to
have
in
their
work
plan
on
that,.
Just
so
I
know.
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burke;
cob
osmp:
typically,,
the
last
for
annual.,
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estrella
(she/her),
osbt:
fee
on
okay.
dan
burke;,
cob
osmp:.
That's
what
I
just
know
that
typically
the
two
year
session
don't
run
where
there
comes
a
party's,
some
may
drop
off
and
somebody
added.
So
they
do
ask
for
that
annual
touch.
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Dan
burke;
cob,
osmp:,
okay,
yeah,
originally
how
it
was
planned.
We
were
sort
of
embedded
60
minutes
into
the
discussion
which
we
felt
we
would
be
things
which
we
could
have
added
some
clarity
ahead
of
time,.
So
I
think
a
lot
of
our
stuff
is
context.
Setting
so
much
better
up
front
end.
The
discussion.
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Karen
hollweg
osbt:
thanks
dave.
I
really
appreciate
the
work
that
dave
and
caroline
have
done
with
dan
to
frame
the
agenda,
and
I
especially
appreciate
the
idea
of
desired
outcomes
and,.
As
you
note
under
he
for
this
segment
of
the
the
agenda.
The
desired
outcome
is
for
us
for
the
board
in
the
end.
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dave,
kuntz,
osbt:,
a
key
element
of
adaptive
management
is
the
monitoring
and
how
that
monitoring
is
designed
in
what
the
objectives
of
it
are
and
then
that
data
driven
decisions
that
we've
all
kind
of
identified,
using
those
results
than
to
to
influence
or
or
make
decisions
in
the
field,.
And
I
think.
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anacker
(osmp):,
made
by
the
interagency
visit
release
management,
console
that
adaptive
management
can
happen
during
full
plan
in
meditation.
Sorry,
during
the
bigger
cycle
of
one
through
seven,
but
also
can
happen
on
the
smaller
scale
or
staffer.
Trying
things
out,
monitoring
and
adjusting
as
they
go.
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armstead:
class
on
it
for
everybody
who
enters
and
then
a
renewal
on
an
annual
basis,.
So
now
all
the
very
specific
kind
of
actions
that
were
required
to
move
forward
the
initial
investment
of
the
tag
program
as
well
as
that
enhancements.
And
what
was
you
know?
I
think
I
an
important
piece
of.
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John
potter,
cob
osmp:
then,,
with
a
lot
of
support
from
staff
across
the
system,
but
andy
pallister,
ryan,
middleton,
lane
read
all
and
and
lansburgh
all
contributed
to
this
work,
and
this
whole
adaptive
management
approach
for
tall
grass,,
which
I
think
has
been
pretty
effective.
So
far,
so,.
If
you
look
at
this
circle.
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John
potter,
cob
osmp:
and
will
likely
reevaluate
in
the
latter
part
of
the
decade,.
Depending
on
how
effective
this
adaptive
management
approach
has
been
and
we'll
incorporate
into
any
revisions
of
the
forest
and
grassland
plan.
If
and
when
we
need
additional
policy
guidance
around
this,
this
topic.
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Michelle
estrella
(she/her),
osbt:,
the
setting
being
at
a
retreat
versus
diving
into
voice
insight,
policymaking,,
which
needs
to
be,
I
think,
done
in
a
business
meeting,.
So
I
just
want
to
get
a
sense
of
is
that,
where
you
were
anticipating
this
conversation
would
go
high
level.
Adaptive
management,
application,
rather
than.,.
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Karen
hollweg
osbt:,
okay,
so
as
a
way
to
process
the
last
45
minute,
15
minute.
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Caroline
miller:
yeah.
Thank
you.
I
think
the
collaboration
and
back
in
community
discussion
is
super
helpful
and
I
think
for
that
engagement
will
never
steer
anyone.
Wrong.
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john
potter,,
cob
osmp:
it
in
dave,
I
guess,.
I
would
have
to
understand
from
you
what
data
you're
looking
at
to
suggest
that
are
protected
tall
grass
areas
are
declining,
not
sure
that
staff
would
agree
with
that,
not
sure
that
we
have
evidence
of
that
think
they
are
fairly
well
protected
at
this
point.
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John
potter,
cob
osmp:
showed
that
we
have
you
know,,
an
area
that
we
want
to
look
into
and
work
on.
The
seasonal,
leash
requirements,,
but
otherwise
in
the
in
the
rest
of
rest
of
the
monitoring.
We're
seeing
we're
seeing
pretty
pretty
high
compliance
from
the
using
the
approach
that
we've
used
for
for
monitoring..
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:
can
I
just
jump
in.
hal
hallstein,
osbt:,
I
think
you're
exactly
right,,
but
would
you
agree
with
me
that
the
problem
is,
we
built
a
repetitive
loop
when
we
could
have
gotten
the
disclosure
up
front
in
the
initial
project
that
would
allow
us
to
be
actually
evolving
in
real
time.
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Michelle
estrella
(she/her),
osbt:,
you
know
this
iterative
model
and
implementing
changes
and
seeing
what
the
repercussions
are.
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Michelle
estrella
(she/her),
osbt:
and
your
you
start
out
this
particular
trailhead.
It's
this
role,,
then
you
go
here,.
Then
it
changes
to
this
thing
and
meditate
changes
again
and
it's
it's
complicated,.
I
know
that
or
I
think
that
was
the
reason
why
we,
we
got
to
this
point
was
because
we
were
making.
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Michelle
estrella
(she/her),
osbt:,
just
recognizing
that
that
this
is,,
you
know
we
don't
want
to
cherry,
pick,
facts
data,.
We
also
don't
want
to
cherry
pick
certain
other
parts
of
things
to
drive
at
a
certain
decision
with
particularly
without
steak.
You
know
the
relevant
stakeholders
being
involved.
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Michelle
estrella
(she/her),
osbt:
I,.
I
wonder
if
it
goes
far
enough,
as
well,.
I
mean
those
those
are
beautiful
signs,
but
they're
they're
not
really
highly
alert
of
because
they
blend
in
so
well
with
the
environment,.
So
I
provided
a
little
bit
of
impact
input
last
time,,
but
I
think
really
the
step.
Of.
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Michelle
estrella
(she/her),
osbt:,
where
I
have
some
hesitancy
of:
let's
try
this,
let's
see
where
it
brings
us
and
let's
continue
to
revisit
this
and
if
staff
says
like
geez,
you
know
our
56
month
to
40
or
you
know
or
56.
When
I
went
to
60,,
then
I
think
that
we,,
you
know
I
would
be
supportive
of
more
drastic
measures.
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Karen
hollweg
osbt:,
I
think
what
happened,,
I
think,
the
lead
in
part
of
the
prairie
dog
discussion
was
just
crucial
in
making
it
work,
as
well
as
it
has,,
and
in
that
case
staff
came
to
the
board
over
months
literally
months.
I
didn't
know
whether
it
was
six
months
or
nine
months
with
alternative.
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:
karen
one
one
last
thing
I
was
just
wondering,
I
felt
like
there
was
some
agreement
to
that.
Maybe
a
particular
plan
of
how,
in
the
city
of
boulder
colorado,
our
strategy
might
have
to
look
a
little
different
than
standard
text
on
this
and
having
a
template
that
we
like
to
use
that.