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Natasha
steinmann:
thank
you,
mark,
thank
you,
dan,
I'm
good
evening,
everyone
evening,
trustees
and
public
thanks
again
for
allowing
us
a
few
moments
of
your
time
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
to
share,
about
what
we've
been
up
to
this
summer.
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Natasha
steinmann:
awesome,
so
thanks
again
for
having
us
tonight
so
yeah
like.
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Natasha
steinmann:,
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
aaron,
and
I
think
melinda
is
also
here.
She
helps
run
the
youth
major
crew
and
then
I'll
pass
it
to
our
junior
rangers.
If
you
could
wait
with
any
questions
until
after
the
junior
rangers
present,
that
would
be
wonderful,
happy
to
answer
your
questions,
then.
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Natasha
steinmann:,
but
it
wouldn't
be
junior
dangerous
if
we
didn't
try
some
new
things,,
even
on
a
difficult
year,
such
as
2021,
so
some
of
the
things
we
did
this
year
we
partnered
with
this-
was
the
pilot
year
for
nature,,
because
boulder.
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Natasha
steinmann:
and
here's
a
photo
of
our
first
session
group
and
all
the
crews,
and
we
we
do
intentionally
plan
test,
serve
the
boulder
community
best
by.
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Natasha
steinmann:,
I
sure
can.
natasha
steinmann:
and
arian
hampel:.
My
name
is
aaron
hampel,
I'm
one
of
the
park
rangers
and
I'm
also
a
former
junior
ranger.
My
name
is
melinda
mark
and
I'm
another
park
ranger
and
the
two
of
us
were
the
coordinators
of
the
youth
ranger
program
this
year,
which
completed
its
fourth
year
next
slide.
Please.
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Sasha
laugen:,
you
are
environmental
education's.
I
learned
so
much
about
the
environments,
I
was
working
in
and
where
my
place
was
in
them,
and
my
love
for
ecology
and
biology.
I
fostered
through
this
program,
has
really
affected,
what
I
want
to
study
in
college
and
what
I
want
to
do
with
my
career.
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Natasha
steinmann:
there's
a
lengthy
application
process
through
yoga,,
which
is
a
clunky
site.
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Natasha
steinmann:
family
support,,
whether
or
not
you
have
the
gear,
and
we
do
support
folks
with
gear,,
both
through
a
boot
and
pants
stipends
that
they
get
after
the
fact,
unfortunately,,
but
they
get
kind
of
repaid
for
that.
We
also
have
loaner
gear
that
we
give
folks
who
don't
have
their
own
boots,
for
example.
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Natasha
steinmann:
kind
of
share
with
the
community
all
of
these
offerings,,
including
the
junior
ranger
program,
and
then
through
that
network,
through
all
of
the
like
community
connections
that
those
people
have
hold,,
we
were
able
to
support
people
who
wanted
support.
Upline.
That
answer
your
question.
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dave,
kuntz,
osbt:,
my
son,
would.
dave,
kuntz,
osbt:
be
based
on
that.
You
know
some
other
things
went
into
the
national
resource
management
field
as
well,,
and
whenever
we
get
together,
we
reminisce
about
the
early
times
and
all
they
need
experiences
that
he
had
with
the
open
space
program.
So
thanks
again.
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Natasha
steinmann:
yeah,
that's
a
great
point
michelle
we
I
have
personally
not,,
but
we
are
kind
of
as
a
department
exploring
kind
of
sponsorships
and.
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Natasha
steinmann:,
if
allison
or
janelle,
are
on
the
call.
You
can
speak
to
this
better
but
yeah.
I'm
definitely
interested
in
looking
at
those
opportunities
and
just
I'm
still
kind
of
trying
to
understand
exactly
how
local
government
open
space
does
that
right.
So
yes,
open
to
it
still
exploring
it.
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:
unfortunately,.
We
do
we're
about
15
minutes
past
what
we
had
scheduled,
and
I
think
we
do
need
to
move
forward,.
But
thank
everybody
for
joining
us
and
explaining
everything.
A
wonderful
presentation.
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hal
hallstein,
osbt:.
I
worry
that
in
framing
it
that
way,,
it
sounds
like
we're
asking
or
encouraging
that
exploration.
Doing.
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Alison
ecklund,
cob:
thanks
hello,,
and
if
you
are
interested
in
raising
your
hand
now
to
speak,,
you
can
find
that
in
the
participants
box
or
under
reactions,.
If
you
want
to
raise
your
hand
for
public
comment,,
we
do
have
two
people
interested
in
speaking
brent
milne.
Let
me
find
you
brent,
okay.,.
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:
do
I
see
patricia's
hand
up.
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Cob,
bethany
collins:
and,
and
they
really
could
drive
a
tv
or
vehicles
or
you
know
tracked
equipment
or
things
like
that
from
eldorado
springs,,
all
the
way
to
boulder
hydro
if
they
come
on
them
within
that
for
lauren.
So
a
lot
of
that
access
is,
you
know
in
in
mitigating
potential
impacts,
to
the
properties.
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mcqueen,
cob
(she/her):,
starting
with
a
budget
process
update
only
some
piece
submitted
final
budget
materials
for
inclusion
in
the
city
managers
recommended
budget
on
august
4
up
next.
The
planning
board
will
review
the
department
tip
on
august
19
for
potential
recommendation
to
city
council.-.
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mcqueen,,
cob
(she/her):,
that's
correct,
they
were
we
had
presented
to
the
executive
budget
team
and
they
approved
are
recommending
or
request
to
make
them
standard
ongoing
position,.
So
they
were
either
fixed
term
or
temporary.
Existing
positions
that
we've
now
made
standard
ongoing
great
thanks.
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kilcoyne
(she/her):
growth,
so
we're
modeling
about
a
3%
growth,
overall,
and
this
isn't
in.
We
have
a
very
complex
performance
management
system.
So
it's
a
pay
for
performance,
system,,
and
so
the
actual
increases
will
based
on
that,.
But
it's
kind
of
assuming
we
missed
a
year
and
we're
resuming
our
typical
practices.
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:
all
right,,
wonderful.
Let's
now
that
we
have
a
motion
on
the
table,
does
any
other
board
members
have
any
deliberation,
comments,,
etc.
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burke;
cob
osmp:.
Thank
you.
I
think
there's
two
different
question
and
I'll
have
lauren
and
sam,
maybe
chime
in
on
the
automation
for
time
of
those
fees,.
But
I
would
also
like
to
bring
this
conversation
a
little
bit
back
to
our
early
winter
discussion
on
how
to
best
prioritize.
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Caroline
miller:,
I
think
that
karen
brings
up
a
good
point
that
overall,
the
guiding
principles
of
of
what
the
city
has
given
to
us
for
recommending
various
portions
of
the
budget.
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Dan
burke;
cob
osmp:.
We
can't
we
can't
view
all
of
our
fee
based
programs
under
the
same
light,,
because
some
of
them
are
definitely
only
could
be
changed
through
ordinance
so
and
but
providing
you
that
type
of
level
information
through
that
basic
inventory,
work.
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:,
you
know,
in
our
great
working
relationship
with
staff.
If
we
request
a
10
year,
look
back
on
the
fees
and
an
inventory
of
what
we
have
control
of
and
what
would
require
ordinance
to
change
in
a
forthcoming
packet.
That
strikes
me
as
a
low
level
of
work
and
is
that
a
reasonable.
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Karen
hollweg,
osbt:,
what
you're
suggesting
is
that
the
board
request
from
staff,
a
10
year
look
back
on
each
of
the
fees
and
charges
that
are
in
this
line
item
on
the
budget
and
an
indication
of
which
can
only
be
changed
by
going
to
council
and
getting
changed
in
the
boulder
revised
code.
Correct.
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Caroline
miller:
and
how
I
was
just.,
caroline
miller:
curious,
you
might
not
know
this,,
but
when
we
were
talking
about
comparable
sister
cities
and
you
were
like,
we
could
probably
do
some
of
that
research
on
our
own.
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Gretchen
bolivar,
cob:-
and
this
is
a
piece
of
the
puzzle,
we
understand
just
putting
up
a
sign
on
the
trailhead
and
doing
some
education
and
outreach
might
not
change
the
behavior
instantaneously
and
permanently.
It
needs
to
be
coupled
with
increased
range
or
may
patrols,
of
course,
part
of
that
is.
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Karen
hollweg,
osbt:,
I
have
a
question
about
see
on
the
attachment
be.
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Karen
hollweg,
osbt:,
it
looks
to
me
like
that's
the
same
as
the
existing
provision,,
so
I
want
to
better
understand,
what's
being
proposed,
percy
and
how
that's
different
from
the
current
practice.
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Gretchen
bolivar,
cob:
well,,
the
intent
right
now
is
just
what
this
proposal
says
and
that's
on
flagstaff
the
first
five
miles.
If
somebody
else
wants
to
speak
to
their
in
terms
of
what
we're
talking
about
tonight,,
there
is
no
intense
to
be
changing
anything
else,,
but
maybe
dan
could
elaborate
on
so.
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Dan
burke;
cob
osmp:,
we
have,
of
course,
a
number
of
trial
heads
throughout
the
system,,
and
so
the
11
to
five
would
mean
would
be
maintain
their.
Our
management
intent
is
to
only
look
at
the
nine
parking
areas
on
flagstaff
to
deviate
from
11
to
five
times,,
but
everything
else
would
remain
the
same.
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Dan
burke;
cob
osmp:
possible.
dan
burke;
cob
osmp:
we're
not
proposing
to
to
get
into
other
the
other
city
parking
areas
so
for
all
s&p.
The
brc
change
will
put
it
uniform.
All
trial.
Heads
on
on
are
treated
equally
and
the
brc
and
allow
staff
discretion,
that
we
could
post
change
the
hours
by
changing
the
posting
of
the.
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Gretchen
bolivar,
cob:
and
my
night
patrol,
I
just
don't
see
it
that's,,
not
to
say
it's
not
happening,,
but
when
I
do
night
patrols,
if
I
hadn't
seen
that
might
push
that
night,
climbing
out
there,,
and
so
it
didn't
trigger
in
my
mind
that
that
would
be
a
group
so
again,.
That
was
an
oversight
on
my
part.
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Mark
davison:
we're
willing
to
obviously
again,
like
I
said,
earlier,
speak
with
those
community
members
over
the
next
couple
of
weeks
and
see.
If
there
is
any
amendments,
we
could
make
a
medication,
we
can
take.
That
would
mean
all
parties
are
satisfied.
So
yeah
we've
got
a
commitment
to
that.
Obviously.
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Daniel
dunn,,
boulder,
climbing
community:,
but
just
to
clarify
we're
not
suggesting
a
different
times
with
saying
you
know
nine
to
five
versus
the
one
hour
before
and
after
sunrise
sunset,
we'll
leave
that
up
to
us
up
in
the
board
to
decide,,
but
at
adaptive
management,,
I
think,
is
really
important.
Collecting
more
data.
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hal
hallstein,
osbt:
any
other
thoughts
on
this
issue.
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Dan
burke;
cob
osmp:.
I
would
just
add
that,
to
michelle's
point
of
making
sure
that
counsel
can
act
on
this
subset,
but
also
has
context
and
the
later
that
we,
we
would
definitely
share
the
second
motion.
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Dan
burke;
cob
osmp:,
the
flagstaff
change,,
as
well
as
the
brc
change.
So
michelle
just
I
I
kind
of
sense
what
you're
getting
at,
and
I
would
just
say
that
staff
would
commit
to
in
the
same
memo,
sharing
the
complete
recommendations
that
come
out
of
tonight,.
So
they
have
context
behind
everything.
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Dave
kuntz,
osbt:,
you
know,.
Can
I
just
jump
in
real
quick
on
this
before
I
lose
the
thought
yeah?
What
about
matt,
putting
in
amended
by
trustee
whole
wagon?
The
motion
basically.
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Burton
stoner:,
you
know
those
users
might
change,,
you
might
not
be
able
to
start
from
realization
point,,
but
you
can
still
access
all
of
green
mountain,
and
so
those
activities
are
not
restricted.
Simply
the
parking
issue
is
really
aimed
at
so
as
a
long
time,
ranger
took
a
lot
of
reflection,
for
me.
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Michelle
estrella,
osbt:
and,,
and
so
I
see
bad
behavior.
I
see
bad
actors
or
bad
actors
everywhere.
My
anecdotal
experiences,
it's
not
really
us.
I
don't
know
if
that's
true
us
being
the
climbers.
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Michelle
estrella,
osbt:
you're
you're
also
saying
that
people
who
are
you
know
are
climbing.
You
know,
because
it's
only
three
minute
walk
to
the
to
the
formation
that
are
also
going
to
be
cut
off,.
So
I
just
I
can
select.
You
know,
I'm
concerned
about
that,.
I
actually
like
jessica's
term
of
using
a
blunt
instrument.
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Gretchen
bolivar,
cob:.
I
get
your
intent,
I'm
not
sure
the
specific
wording,,
but
she
had
that
other
brc
violations.
That
just
say
you
can't
have
a
glass
container.
I
can
write
that
because
it
doesn't
specify
inside
city
limits
and
run
city
on
property
and
other
parts
of
the
beat
icc,.
I
can
do
that.
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Gretchen
bolivar,
cob:
remember,.
This
regulation
is
showing.,
gretchen,
bolivar,
cob:,
it's
not
when
it's
laid
out,.
You
know
when
people
are
going
for
a
trail
runner
when
people
are
climbing,
I
see
my
climbing.
They
light
it
up
with
their
equipment,,
but
generally
speaking,
people's
activities
kind
of
end
when
its
pitch
black
out.
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A
A
Hal
hallstein,
osbt:.
I
100%
support
what
the
staff
wants
to
do,,
which
is
essentially
crack
down
on
the
smaller
number
of
irresponsible
users,.
I
am
not
interested
in
being
also
a
climber,
myself
and
flagstaff,
frankly,
being
the
very
first
place
when
I
came
to
boulder
that
really
connected
with
me.
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E
E
E
E
A
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X
Gretchen
bolivar,
cob:
prohibit
anybody
from
doing
legal
activities,.
I
think
there's
solutions
that
can
be
found
on.
If
I
don't
want
to
speak
out
of
turn,
but
there's
ways
that
we
can
work
together
and
these
don't
have
to
be
mutually
exclusive,.
You
know,
there's
ways,,
where
you
know
we
can
maybe
have.
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A
A
B
Karen
hollweg,
osbt:
yeah,
I
have
two
things.
B
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N
N
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N
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E
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P
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E
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A
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:
great,
so
if
people
think
that's
fair
and
balanced
people
are
heard,
was
anyone
willing
to
second,
my
motion?
Here.
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B
D
D
Dan
burke;
cob
osmp:,
but
there
was
some
cleanup
language
within
the
iga
that
needed
to
be
done
so
that,,
like
our
temporary
rangers.
How
rangers
were
referred
to
was
was
too
restrictive,
now
that
we
have
temp
rangers
and
now
that.
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D
D
A
hal
hallstein,
osbt:,
with
that
we
will
go
straight
into
matters
from
the
board.
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Dave
kuntz,
osbt:
flooding
storm
wider
funding.,
karen
hollweg,
osbt:
from
right.
dave,
kuntz,
osbt:.
You
know
the
dream
districts,
that's
basically
where,
where
their
emphasis
goes,,
but
I
think
much
of
the
350,000,
the
annual
budget,,
I
think
I
don't
know
I
would
say,
a
large
part
of
it.
They're
trying
to
put
toward
us,
you
know,,
improving
the
habitat
and
kind
of
stream.
Restoration.