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City of Boulder OSBT 5-12-21

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Cob, dan burke: china keep you posted in the next couple of minutes.

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Osbt hal hallstein: alright, everyone, welcome to the open space board of trustees, meeting of may 12 2021.

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Osbt hal hallstein: a special welcome to the public, who is joining us,. Thank you for joining us.

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Osbt hal hallstein: as usual,. We always start our meetings with a role of the open space board of trustees. Members will start with karen horwich.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: we have. osbt hal hallstein: dave, coons., here., osbt, hal, hallstein:, caroline miller., osbt, hal hallstein: and michelle australia.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, wonderful, I hell hell stein, I'm also present,. So we have our quorum and are ready to begin our meeting.

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Osbt hal hallstein: our typical first order of business.

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Osbt hal hallstein: is to review the minutes of the prior meeting. In this case the meeting.

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her):, now yep. cob,, jean gatza, host (she/her):. um If you don't mind, I will it will take just a second to go through the meeting protocol.

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Osbt hal hallstein: well, wonderful, thank you,, forgive me.

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her):, no worries.

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cob, jean gatza, host (she/her):, can folks see my screen.

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osbt- dave, kuntz: yes. cob, jean gatza, host (she/her): okay, great alright,. As the chair mentioned,. We are so happy to have folks joining us tonight for the city of boulder, open space board of trustees meeting and with our virtual meetings,. We have a few items of protocol that will just like to go: go over.

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her): any activities that disrupt delay or otherwise interfere,. The meeting with the meeting are prohibited. Our time for speaking on asking questions is limited to the open comment into the public hearing, either the chair, or I will recognize folks.

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her): when those times are when those public hearings are open and will call on folks and we're going to ask folks to.

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her): keep their comments to two minutes tonight. We're asked folks we asked folks to please use a full name,. You can.

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her): change your your the way that your name displays using the three. If you hover over your image or your your part of the screen, where your name is,, you should be able to see a couple of dots and then you can change change your name to a full name, please.

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her):, let's see, let's go to the next one yeah,, and so our public testimony will be by voice only and not by video..

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her):, the chair, and I will enforce these rules,. Our chat function should be used only for tech, technical issues and it's set to just communicate with me the host. It's super hard. If we have comments.

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her): that people are seeing as sort of like outside conversations, so that's really hard for staff and the board, and that's why we have it set to host only if there's an issue that needs to be raised,, you can send it to me the host and I'll, raise it with the chair or with staff.

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her): and then also only our staff or applicant. I guess it's not. Applicants that needs to planning board will be able to share screen okay,. So when we get to the open comment.

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her): will use the raise hand function for anyone who hasn't signed up prior and so,. If you hover at the bottom of your screen,, you should be able to get to this participants area, which you see there and then.

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her):, there are three dots and you there's a raise hand function. That's what most versions of zoom. I think some actually see a little raise hand, function and otherwise,. You can also use all twice for a pc option. Why? For a mac or star nine of your on the phone.

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her): okay, and I think, with that.

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her):, I finished with protocol and back to you.

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Osbt hal hallstein: thank you,, jean. osbt hal hallstein: yes,. Before we look forward into new business,, we always return to the minutes of our prior meeting in this case april 14, to approve the minutes as, as our usual custom I'll start on page one,. How does the board feel about the first page.

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Osbt hal hallstein: any changes michelle. I see you and you're on mute, yep.

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Osbt michelle estrella: and I find my mute unmute button sorry.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: got my spins all mixed up there,. The first page of the minutes, and I've already talked to leah about this- is that it has.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: kurt brown as attending and me is mia, but I was actually there.

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osbt hal hallstein: can we will get an adjustment on that please.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and certainly any template going forward. Karen.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: on the very last line on the first page.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, it says she said, parks and recreation and all smp should be separate. Within.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: and for clarity,, I think it should say fda, regulations.,.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. I think that would clarify. Thank you karen. That's how I recall that as well.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. Are you locating that down there at the bottom for lisa, spalding, common.

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Osbt hal hallstein: yes, great great anything else, on page one.

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Osbt hal hallstein: yeah about page two.

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Osbt hal hallstein: here.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: in the third paragraph under agenda item five.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: there's a phrase: that's duplicated, so at the end of the fourth line.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, I would suggest deleting the words communicated back to the full.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, so that it reads as well as asked that this be communicated back to the full community.

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Osbt hal hallstein: great.

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Osbt hal hallstein: anything additional on page two.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: there there's one additional place.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: and I don't know exactly dan what the lingo is when you.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: close an easement but, in the last sentence right above agenda item six.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, I think it should say he added that belongs garden. Easement.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: has officially closed,. How do you refer refer to refer to what happens with easement stan.

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Cob, dan burke: um well,, I mean it is a real estate transaction that was complete completed would be another word.

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Cob, dan burke: or has been executed.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: but,, but it wasn't long scarred and it was executed. It's the easement for long scar.

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Cob, dan burke:, the long, the long garden, the conservation easement over the lungs garden property has been executed.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: thank you.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, are we clear there, everybody happy.

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Osbt hal hallstein: okay, and that concludes the minutes,. I believe, anything else on that page before I seek a motion to approve the minutes.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:. I saw move how.

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osbt hal hallstein:. Thank you dave. Do we have a second.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: second. osbt hal hallstein: thank you, michelle, so we'll call the role, starting with karen hallway.

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Osbt hal hallstein: yeah approve the minutes. Great dave, coons.

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Osbt hal hallstein: yes,, caroline miller.

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Osbt caroline miller: yes.

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Osbt caroline miller: and michelle australia. osbt hal hallstein: yes,, and I also approve and that's unanimous, thank you, everybody.

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Osbt hal hallstein: yeah do we have burton on the line, yet.

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Cob, dan burke:, we do not,, but we have mark davidson. Who would be obviously the service area manager over the rangers would be here to do this, and then we plan on.

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Cob, dan burke:, noting this recording and providing that to that to the full range of group tomorrow, through an email link,. So they will be able to refer back to this time and and be able to reflect on whatever is presented here right. Now.

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Osbt hal hallstein: tremendous well mark yeah. We invite you to tell us about the remarkable service that your department provided during the recent tragedy.

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Cob mark davison:, thank you how, and it is,. It is how to really express some of the gratitude we've got for both pd the rangers and all the first responders on that day.

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Cob mark davison:, and we know the police officers obviously have the attention. They got. The praise for their work and responding to the tragedy.

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Cob mark davison: I would say, and, along with the pd and all the other first responders, the rangers were among the first to respond and worked off the dispatch channels.

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Cob mark davison: and the shooting was unfolding and working with the police,, the sort of the way the team came together to deal with this frankly, tragedy.

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Cob mark davison: was that they all worked as a team and there's a reason why there's been a long partnership with all the pd department and the training. That's content that led to.

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Cob mark davison: the ability to respond in a way that made us proud and frankly view the rangers in many respects, as heroes, that the I think a couple of points to really point out. Is.

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Cob mark davison:, most people aren't really kind of typically aware that this type of expertise,, the rangers have, in the sense that.

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Cob mark davison:: it's not a typical day to day thing, obviously that people would think about in regards ranges.

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Cob mark davison:, but they are trained and prepared to assist during emergency and significant defense for the safety of the public.

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Cob mark davison: and when they responded on that monday was with courage and willingness to put into practice, all the training and learn skills.

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Cob mark davison: and it's in it's obviously a situation we hope never will happen,, but the response and, frankly,. At the time the city manager acknowledged the fact that we were able to support and.

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Cob mark davison: perhaps, in a way of the some of the tragedy that occurred,, but we still want to recognize that it fell off, so went down and our hearts go out to him and the fam.

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Cob mark davison: and finally, I just like to say: that.

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cob mark davison:, it's something we should never forget the fact that the rangers and others frankly and public safety.

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Cob, mark davison: working for the city, take on serious risks and every time to put that uniform on they're putting themselves in harm's way to protect all of us and that's what I'd like to acknowledge. Today,. Thank you for that. Opportunity.

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Osbt hal hallstein: well,. Thank you mark certainly.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. It's wonderful to hear about that cooperation and also add the department's attendance at the city vigil, and the attendance of rangers themselves at that event was also quite meaningful and deeply appreciated..

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Osbt hal hallstein:, any other trustees, have comments they'd like to make on that.

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Osbt hal hallstein: dave.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: yeah I just like to extend.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: our gratitude toward the rangers for the service and actions that they not only took on that day, but as mark, as you mentioned,. They they take every day actually and.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:. Sometimes we we don't really acknowledge that or you know forget to do that,, but we are very appreciative of all the work that they do out on the ground and in protection of the open space and mountain park system, as well. As.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, the people in the community, so be sure, and thank them for us,. We appreciate it.

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Cob mark davison: thank you.

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Osbt hal, hallstein:, wonderful, well, certainly, all members of the staff of the open space department through all of covert.

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Osbt hal hallstein: the recent events this tragedy,. We continue to be impressed by everyone's willingness to really go above and beyond, for the community,. So thank you so much for that. Commitment.

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Cob mark davison: and thank you,. Thank you. Helen. The board in the acknowledgement means a lot to the rangers and like dan said, will definitely share this back with the team,. We appreciate it.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. Thank you. Well, um I guess with that, and perhaps the public may be interested in offering their thanks as well. Let's move ourselves towards.

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Osbt hal hallstein: the public comment period for items not identified for public hearing,. I just like to clarify,. We will be holding public hearings this evening on two points of main business,, which include.

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Osbt hal hallstein: the acquisition of potential lands at some barrel march and emotion, recommending approval of open space. Other lands.

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Osbt hal hallstein: in the boulder valley, comprehensive plan. So if you have comments on those two particular topics, we're going to create a special opportunity for that subject: matter.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, the current public comment that we're going to open is on any and all matters other than those two and I'll turn it over to jean to orchestrate that for us.

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her):, thank you. Chair.

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cob,, jean gatza, host (she/her):. We had one one community members sign up for open comment ahead. Mark marcus profits, is here and I'll unmute you and just a moment,. If there are others who would like to speak during the general open comment,, please raise your hand now and let's see marcus, you can go ahead and unmute.

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Marcus popetz: okay,. Are you able to hear me. marcus popetz:? We are fantastic. Thank you. So my name is marcus pets. I'm here representing boulder mount bike alliance. I also live in the city at 2197, jordan, place.

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Marcus popetz:, I'm here to comment on the draft letter to the desert, use master plan for the elbow to walker, trail and state park..

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Marcus popetz: and,, more specifically, on the public process, so that public process started out as a gold standard for those that were involved in it..

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Marcus popetz: collaborating all the agencies together. The type of thing we need here in the front range.

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Marcus popetz: and as you as always be to recognize the importance of that,, but then cpw unilaterally pulled out of that process and then using boulders counties. Words from their website. Cpw announced their intent to take that into their own visitor use, master planning, process.

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Marcus popetz: and the further quote you know after that process finished it wasn't a collaboration with the land management, once again, it was a.

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Marcus popetz: decision, where boulder county staff quote unquote, received the draft plan at the same time,. It was released to the public and cpw informed boulder county that they will no longer consider the potential for the ottawa eldorado trail.

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Marcus popetz: these words announced informed or not collaboration and whether you believe in the trail, or whether it should have gone forward,. We are extremely concerned about public process not being open to the citizens of boulder city in boulder county.

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Marcus popetz:, excluding of the staff and their input in that decision, is something that I think should concern is all, regardless of our opinion on the trail so.

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Marcus popetz:, our organization has no power to encourage cpw or for cpw to collaborate with oh s&p in boulder county.

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Marcus popetz:, so we're here to encourage you,. I saw your letter asking them to include you in trail decisions,, but I would love you to make it even more strong because you're, the only ones that can actually help us in future, recreation decisions to be able to make sure that our public voices heard.

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Marcus popetz: and with that I'll wrap up, and I thank you for your service.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. Thank you. Marcus.

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her):. Thank you marcus. If anyone else would like to speak in there during open comment,, please raise hand now I.

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her): am seeing none.

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Osbt hal hallstein: okay.

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Osbt hal hallstein: with that damn, I believe, the order of operations for each of the next two items. We start with a staff presentation. We then move to a public comment period. Is that the correct order.

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Cob, dan burke:- I just typically will have clarifying questions before the public, so presentation, clarifying questions, public hearing and then a broader discussion and consideration period by the boy.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. I see you over there dave.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: hale. Before we commence can we do a quick agenda? Check.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: before we start.

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Osbt hal hallstein: yes, are there, particular items you'd like to race.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: yeah, I'd like to put on under matters from the board, we have to the board, has to appoint representative for the green, wise advisory committee, and so I'd like to make sure that we do that. This evening.

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Osbt hal hallstein: great, I recommend, will insert that as item see the third in the list, great thanks, excellent michelle.

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Osbt michelle estrella:, I was wondering if we could make that.

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Osbt michelle estrella: to bump that up.

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Osbt hal hallstein: okay, yes,. We can bump that up. Why don't we.

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Osbt hal hallstein:: why don't we address that immediately and matters from the board? Why don't we do that? As our first thing will replace item a.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. Sorry! Sorry for that michelle I should have remembered better.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and we will address that straightaway.

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Osbt hal hallstein:: it's not work for everybody, any other issues or concerns.

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Osbt hal hallstein: great- I guess with that dan will turn it over to you to discuss summer marsh.

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Cob, dan burke: yes,- this is a continuation of our discussion from last month,, but this month we're moving more into the.

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Cob, dan burke: recommendation phase so so tonight from open space staff, we have bethany cons and don d'amico who will be providing information.

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Cob, dan burke: and I'm sure about,, then you will maybe introduce other folks that might be here, depending on the question so that I will turn things over to our real estate services supervisor. Bethany collins.

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Cob, bethany collins: thanks dan I'm good evening, trustees.

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Cob, bethany collins:. Let me get my screen sharing going.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: your background. Bethany is more familiar than leah's.

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Cob, bethany collins:, oh yeah.,.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: she's in nepal.

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Cob, bethany collins: vacation destination.

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Cob, bethany collins:, all right,. Can you all see my screen.

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Cob, bethany collins: yes, great, I'm all right with this agenda item tonight staff is seeking a recommendation to council for approval of.

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Cob, bethany collins: proposed phase land acquisition between the city's open space, mountain parks, department and boulder county parks and open space department involving several small parcels of land totaling, approximately nine and a half acres adjacent to the city. Some bro marsh open space, property.

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Cob, bethany collins: don domenico, and I will provide this brief presentation to supplement the information provided in your memo in the packet.

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Cob, bethany collins: and tina burkhardt, land officer and bevin carruthers resource protection supervisor, with boulder county parks and open space are also available with us tonight in case their questions of the county.

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Cob, bethany collins: hang on,. Let me get this working.

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Cob, bethany collins: okay, as detailed last month,, the greater san bruno mars complex, has a very complicated ownership. Structure, the city owns approximately 54 acres and this umbro marsh in some rare marsh.

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Cob, bethany collins: acquired via multiple transactions, from 1995 to 2014, for open space purposes and managed by osm p,, as well as about 8.7 acres, where eco cycle is located.

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Cob, bethany collins:, oh smp management goals here, include restoring and sustaining the ecological health of the marsh and using the educationally rich outdoor setting for teaching about wetland, ecology, environmental restoration and land stewardship..

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Cob, bethany collins: well,, their county owns approximately nine and a half acre is acquired in 1975 as outlets from the superhero mark, or some brown ranch subdivision, which includes some shoreline of the marsh and uplands and neighborhood..

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Cob, bethany collins: trail access from swallow lane,. These are the parcels that are subjective this subject,, the subject of this proposed transaction.

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Cob, bethany collins: additionally,, the sombrero ranch hoa owns a couple of outlets, overlaying, the east boulder and enterprise ditch corridors. Oh smp staff has recently been contacted by the hoa about acquisition of these parcels and is evaluating them for city ownership, as well.

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Cob, bethany collins:, boulder valley, school districts in several parcels surrounding the marsh complex,, including the sight of their administrative headquarters, and the some brown marsh education. Environmental education center, operated by thorn nature, experience.

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Cob, bethany collins:, some bro marsh is also surrounded by additional residential and more urban development and transportation and utility infrastructure,, including ownership and management by private parties. Folder jewish commons and ditch companies.

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Cob, bethany, collins: and donald take over and talk a little bit about the ecological resources.

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Don d'amico: thanks bethany and.

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don d'amico: interesting trustees. Can everybody hear me ok.

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Ok. don d'amico:, so I'm going to go through some of.

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don d'amico:, the ecological background and management issues of the marsh.

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Don d'amico: to start out with the multiple ownership of land at sombrero, tends to complicate its management and can impact its ecological functioning.

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Don d'amico:, as detailed in the attachment to your memo sombrero, is an england salt marsh,, which is a rare. What and type in boulder valley,. The marsh contains soils, hydrology and vegetation that combined to create portland habitat for shorebirds, as well as waterfowl.

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Don d'amico: variety of mammal species amphibians, in a very diverse invertebrate, community.

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Don d'amico:, open space staff and partners have put significant time and money into the restoration and management of city property at some barrow.

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Don d'amico:, but over the years, we found that management and stewardship of the martian ascribing uplands is complicated.

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Don d'amico: under the multi agency, ownership, so,, as you know,, currently boulder county in the city and bully of boulder own and they manage their own respective parcels. Sq barrow according to their.

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Don d'amico: own individual land use policy regulations, resource management practices, and sometimes those things are not necessarily aligned,. So this can lead to ineffective management, confusion for the public and can be detrimental to the overall equal ecological health of the marsh.

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Don d'amico:, some samples of examples of those things include mosquito management,, which is one of the most important management issues that some bro march from an ecological perspective.

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Don d'amico: can you. think. don d'amico:, so let's get on management has been has been conducted under under the city's mosquito management program since 2002.

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Don d'amico: and the city's program emphasizes an ecosystem approach to mosquito management and seeks to limit the use of pesticides throughout the city. That program was updated in 2000 and approved by council and.

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Don d'amico: to take it even more more of an ecosystem approach and we have approved,, we have only approved bpi,, which is a naturally occurring larva side.

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Don d'amico: that targets mosquito larva for mosquito management at sombrero due to environmental impacts of other products,. He is the only product that's ever been applied to city on portions of sperm are since its acquisition by the city.

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Don d'amico: of boulder county uses a wide range of pesticides to control mosquitoes in the county. Including.

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Don d'amico: broad spectrum, insecticides for adult mosquito control,, they also use larva size like we do dti and also some other growth, inhibitors and also pupil sites such as surface surface cancer, surface oils that are applied to the surface water and.

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Don d'amico: basically, prevent larval insects, from.

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Don d'amico: becoming cuba and emerging from the water surface.

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Don d'amico:, the city, doesn't really have any information on which products are applied to the county on portions of the marsh.

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Don d'amico:, but if land is transferred, if this approval is transfer or the transfer as approval mosquito management would come under the city's mosquito management program for the entire march.

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Don d'amico: another issue is weed management,. Some of the same issues apply here as with mosquito management.

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Don d'amico:, the city and county have different approaches to weed management and when, just in general,, when adjacent landowners manage vegetation on their respective lands, different differently,, it makes it really difficult. To.

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Don d'amico: control the spread of weeds from one property to the other and really get a handle on just your overall wheat situation on either property.

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Don d'amico: county also allows access over there outlawed,, as does the city,, which has contributed to the creation of an unplanned network of on designated trails throughout the properties.

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Don d'amico:, consolidated ownership, would allow for more thoughtful and comprehensive planning for future access,, as well as consistent fencing and in a consistent approach towards signage..

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Don d'amico: dogs are not permitted on city open space land around some rare marsh, whereas they are allowed on county land, and these things can just be confusing for the public in.

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Don d'amico:, you know the enforcement issues are difficult for rangers to to force it to educate the public about what is allowed and what isn't allowed.

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Don d'amico:, so just in general,, coordinating management between the two open space programs that currently own land somewhere, more so, and that's sometimes have competing interests, can be an efficient, can be time consuming for staff.

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Don d'amico:, it can take away from staffs ability to really effective effectively manage the march, as well as manage other priorities in our annual work. Plans.

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Don d'amico: so I'll turn it back over to bethany.

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cob,, bethany, collins: okay, so recently smp reached out to boulder county parks and open space to suggest consolidating ownership under one entity and the agencies have discussed the proposed transaction.

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Cob, bethany collins:, as partners, the city and county, are proposing to carry out this phase land track transaction. Where phase one would be the acquisition by the city of the 4.25 acre western parcel for $34,000.

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Cob, bethany, collins: or $8,000, an acre which includes a portion of the marsh and shoreline and would allow near term consolidated management of the most significant ecological resources. Mosquito control and proposed boundary. Fencing projects in the area.

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Cob, bethany collins:- and this is somewhat of a view of that- there's no fencing or boundary lines deter me not identified,, but this is generally a picture of the area of phase one as.

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Cob, bethany collins: in face to the city, will then have as phase to the city will then have five years to either acquire the remaining parcels for $42,000.

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Cob, bethany collins: or work with the county to identify a mutually beneficial exchange of land of equivalent value.

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Cob, bethany collins:, the land exchange would be contingent upon additional spt and city council approval. If the purchase or exchanged has not happened within five years,, the agreement will include a 2% annual escalation.

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Cob, bethany collins: again photos of those phase, two parcels.

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Cob, bethany collins:, this proposed transaction will fulfill at least two master plan strategies,, as well as several charter purposes, by having ownership and management control over the entire marsh wetland. Complex and ecosystem, health and partner, excuse me.

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Cob, bethany collins: over the entire marsh wetland, complex and ecosystem, health and partnering for a land acquisition that preserves water resources and fragile ecosystems.

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Cob, bethany collins:. The master plan also emphasizes that expansion of habitat blocks is a critical component of osm ps approach to preservation and important to ecological health and resilience.

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Cob, bethany collins:. If the phase acquisition is approved, as the parcels or as the parcels are acquired,, they will remain close consistent with section 886 of the boulder revised code for up to five years.

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Cob, bethany collins: to allow for resource assessment and development and management recommendation.

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Cob, bethany collins: during this time,, the properties will be managed consistent with jason, osm peatlands and charter purposes, and s&p stuff will evaluate.

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Cob, bethany collins: the resource management and restoration needs,, as well as access and environmental education opportunities for the properties.

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Cob, bethany collins: with the phased approach, the 886 closure,, maybe unnecessary or shorter for the phase two parcels, since some of the evaluation will be accomplished in advance of the city's acquisition.

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Cob, bethany collins: staff will also seek an amendment to the city manager, 833 rule, which prohibits dogs west of the east, boulder ditch to include the western parcel.

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Cob, bethany, collins: and assessment of these parcels will also include an evaluation against the criteria set forth in the smp visitor master plan to determine the suitability for inclusion in this umbrella marsh habitat conservation area,, which was established in 2006 by ordinance. Seven at ordinance, 7459.

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Cob, bethany collins: and with that I'll go to the board for questions.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. Thank you very much, bethany and dawn for the wonderful presentation and also the updates to the memo from the prior session. You let us on in this. It's greatly appreciated.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and so, yes,, just as a reminder, we are going to have clarifying questions,. Then we will do public hearing on this topic, and then we will return for deliberations,. Are there any clarifying questions.

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Osbt hal hallstein: on some barrel, march.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: and yeah- I guess I don't know if this is a clarifying question or a deliberation,, but I just was curious. Why why the city and county had different dog approaches that rule of purchase and do you know.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: why, and then I'm kind of thinking about all those emails we got about. The need is and.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: sort of the potential backlash to people,, not knowing or realizing that we're going to change the rules of dogs in that entire area.

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Cob, bethany collins:. um I don't. I don't necessarily have a good answer for that. I'm not sure if, if john potter can can jump on or if dan does other than wer were different agencies with different regulatory framework.

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Cob, bethany collins: for our our properties and.

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Cob, bethany, collins: and so.

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Cob, bethany collins: yeah go ahead., cob, dan burke:. I think that's right and steve armstead, who just informed me about five minutes. Go there. If he's have an internet issue, so I'm not sure sure.

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Cob, dan burke:, if he's on, but michelle yeah, every all of our plans, are to essays or site specific plans. We will.

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Cob, dan burke:, the rules. cob, dan burke: allowance, not allowance, unleashed voice and site all those particulars are always addressed within our our planning processes. And, of course.

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Cob, dan burke:, a boulder county, does not have a voice inside program, so that automatically makes us very distinct but yeah. It's it's.

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Cob, dan burke:, all these things regarding jobs, is determined through a pretty robust public process with or input. Ultimately, council consideration and a lot of public engagement and that's how we arrive at very specific nuances in regards to.

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Cob, dan burke: dog management,, so I don't know steve if you have anything to add to that.

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Cob,, steve armstead: and the only thing I'd add and, hopefully, you can hear me well enough,- is that just the history of our program kind of lent itself, that.

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Cob, steve armstead: really, the when we started having public open lands there weren't even leash requirements within the city,, so the evolution of our system.

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Cob, steve armstead: actually grew up with a lot of initial opportunities for dogs to be under an essence, voice and site control,, and so our systems kind of matured with that and that's allowed.

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Cob, steve armstead: kind of the maturing of that program somewhat different from a lot of other pure land management agencies, and it's also kind of evolved to have the the level of support for those off leash opportunities that are made available through kind of a very..

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Cob,, steve armstead: specific, you know program with a voice and site tag. Program.

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Cob, dan burke: and I don't know john- wants to add any specific to some rural marshy area.

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Cob, dan burke:- and I know if you want to elaborate on this particular area.

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John potter, osmp:, maybe just to to elaborate a little bit on on the point bethany made that on one side of the east boulder ditch we have dogs, allowed.

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John potter, osmp: and, on the other side of these boulder, ditch they're, not allowed,, where the marshes, because we wanted to have greater protection in that area,, which is the mental protection zone for somewhere on mars.

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John potter, osmp: so,, even the city, has two different approaches to dogs on this particular property,. The county, I believe, has just a leash restriction on all of its lands for for for dogs,, they have a separate approach. That's just as dan was saying how it developed over time with that system.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: we're not proposing john to change if we acquire the county properties.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: we're not proposing to change the dog rules on those properties are we.

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John potter, osmp: know, and that's what well.

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john potter, osmp: so. john potter, osmp: it mentioned and step in bethany. If I'm, if I get it wrong,, but the the air. What we're proposing is that the areas to the south and east of the ditch would be managed the way our lands currently are managed. South and east of.

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John potter, osmp: thing to the west of the ditch that is acquired from the county would be managed, as as a no dog area.

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Cob, bethany collins: right. You got it right. Good thanks.,.

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John potter, osmp: does: does that make sense? Dave did I.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: yeah. I guess what I'm saying is for the portion of the county property. Well, actually, I'm probably thinking of the second acquisition, where social skills are and stuff like that that portion we're still going to keep the dogs on leash requirement, south or east of the east boulder ditch.

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John potter, osmp: right,, but that that second acquisition would also have a piece, on the other side of the ditch. That would be no dogs.

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Osbt- dave, kuntz: and then reason for no dogs actually is because of the habitat conservation area, designation property that you know surrounds the marsh.

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John potter, osmp: crap.

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Cob, bethany collins:, I can jump in for a second dave. Actually, the entire.

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Cob, bethany collins:, the entire ownership,, except for what we acquired in 2014 is designate as at hga at at sombrero,. So there is portion east of the ditch.

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Cob, bethany collins: that is designated hca so that the the the dog regulations as they're applied out there currently aren't necessarily consistent because there hasn't been.

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Cob, bethany collins: that the trail that on or off trail designation, doesn't exist, east of the ditch right, now, and so.

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Cob, bethany collins:, once the once the hga is activated, the the trail planning for the area is done. Any you know off trail or any dog regulations would be consistent with the aj. Hca would be updated that time, yeah.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: great thanks.

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Cob, bethany collins: that helpful okay.

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Osbt hal hallstein: good. I mean any more clarification needed on that. I'm sure we'll return to it in the later portion of the meeting of caroline see.

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Osbt caroline miller: wanted to understand.

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Osbt, caroline miller: right now we're doing clarifying questions,. But at what point are there other questions for subaru? I just want to make sure my questions are in the right. Spot.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, oh well,, we're just sort of clarifying our understanding. Now then we're going to take comments from the public, and then we'll return to deliberate. There can certainly be some more questions asked them,, but if you just need clarification on anything now's, a great time.

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Osbt caroline miller: okay,, I think, mine, are better suited for the second portion. Then thank you.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: on page 19 in our packet there's a section on restoration and site management, and I just want to clarify.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: by asking the question.

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osbt-karen hollweg:, which of those things listed in the restoration and site management section at the bottom of page..

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: bottom half a page., osbt-karen hollweg: have already been completed and which ones are still ongoing.

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Cob, bethany collins: god,. Can you jump in on that or john.

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John potter, osmp:, so maybe while don's looking for that karen is that. Are you talking about that bulleted list? That starts with planting of native wetland, plants.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: yes, and also the list above that which includes.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: a.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: moving film material digging, several small depressions.

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John potter, osmp:, okay, yeah dawn. Can you can you address that.

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Don d'amico:, I'm scrolling down there right.

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Osbt hal hallstein: now is there anyone who could provide a pdf page for up for others in the public to.

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Osbt hal hallstein: thank you.

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Don d'amico: so going through that bulleted list of five items.

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Don d'amico: number one, the planting of native weapon plants, has been completed several times. Actually we've supplemented planting when we've.

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Don d'amico:, we found it necessary, because the previous planting wasn't successful. We continue to crop to control invasive and noxious weeds. That's like an all of our proper properties. That's an ongoing.

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Don d'amico: project.

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don d'amico: planting of native upland, grasses, shrubs and flowering plants that goes along with the first bullet.

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Don d'amico: has been done. Multiple times.

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Don d'amico: enhancement of wildlife, habitat quality.

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Don d'amico:, we have planted some native shrubs.

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Don d'amico: and we've improved water, quality.

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Don d'amico: over the years,, not with any any directs, I guess water quality enhancements, but we've managed the hydrology of the marsh so that, whereas, when we first acquired it, we had quite a number of incidents where there was.

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Don d'amico: off gassing of hydrogen sulfide gas, which isn't necessarily a health, a public health issue,, except when it's a really high concentrations,, but it was basically a nuisance for the community,, especially the mobile home park, on the north side of some rare march. So we've managed.

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Don d'amico:, the hydrology such that we reduce the number of.

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Don d'amico: over nutrient over neutral vacation events over the years and we have monitored restoration projects and those activities and kind of done. Adaptive management over the years.

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Don d'amico: that happened, probably within the first five or six years of formally within the first five or six years of the.

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Don d'amico: original restoration that was done in 2001, but as we make kind of tweaks or make management adjustments to the property we you know, we we obviously monitor the results of those adjustments.

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Don d'amico:, for you know years afterwards.

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John potter, osmp: and,, and I would just add or point out karen that that, of course, was all activity that we did to restore the other,. The parcels that we already own.

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John potter, osmp: on that the ones that we're talking about tonight, it's really only control of invasive noxious weeds. It would be one of these activities that we were looking at immediately to to implement.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: okay, and the four lines above the bulleted list that digging small depressions to form deeper, open, more water areas has that been completed or yet to be done.

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Don d'amico: that was done as part of.

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don d'amico:, the first major restoration work in 2001.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: okay, and then below the bulleted list.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, it indicates that.

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osbt-karen, hollweg: volunteers and bbs d. Students have been significantly involved in restoration. Is that still ongoing,, or is that completed.

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Don d'amico:, that's that's ongoing when we do.

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Don d'amico: for instance, non native tree removal or planting out there, within our volunteer services group. We try to get volunteer groups out there to help us do that kind. Of.

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Don d'amico: helps us to get the job done when we only have three or four person crew to have 20 people join us for a day of planting or day of weed management is really helpful. So that's really an ongoing effort.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: great, thank you very much.

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Osbt hal hallstein: caroline.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, thank you. um So it says in our packet that the property will be temporarily closed as it typically is after acquisitions. um Does that mean the entirety of the property, or does that actually mean the parcel.

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Cob, bethany collins: yeah, so anything under 886. Any newly acquired property is closed by city manager. Role for a.

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Cob, bethany collins: identified period of time to allow for resource assessment for planning and to determine,. You know how how to best manage it and open it for to the public,. So that's any new parcel, so it would be just as we acquire the the smaller county parcels.

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Cob, bethany collins:. There is again because of the hca designation out of out there,. There is a possibility or or likelihood that once.

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Cob, bethany collins: additional planning is done, that the hca will also have some. Obviously, you know off trail access. um What you know once once those those trails are identified and and established does that happen.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, I'm just asking specifically you know,, because the property is used by the thorn institute and they do things in the summer. So.

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Osbt, caroline miller: it it will be closed the summer or just the parts.

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Cob, bethany collins: purchase.

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Cob, bethany collins: the parcel, so the county, the county parcel that western parcel that's phase, one would be closed,, it is not.

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Cob, bethany collins: utilize. It's not that you know it shouldn't be very accessible. It's actually part of them are so it wouldn't be a part of what thorn uses under their their management plan and partnership agreement with with us, so yeah thank you.

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Osbt hal hallstein: great does anyone else have any clarifying questions.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, seeing none,. I think we are ready to move to the period of public comment and public hearing on this topic. So I'll turn it back over to gene.

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her): thank you.

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her): it. If folks would like to speak during this time.

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her):, if you would please use the raise hand, function to. Let us know that you'd like to do that and not seeing any currently.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, while we're waiting,. I will mention that I saw a very interesting email on this topic from a woman named susan wevill, who was discussing the history of this property and its use.

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Osbt hal hallstein: for equestrian usage in the long distant past and as a student of history in the system,. I just thought it was unique in worthy of mentioned. It's unfortunate.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. She cannot join us to describe that experience today because she has the lived experience on that property,. But it did fascinate me that at one point, there was significant equestrian activity. There.

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Osbt hal hallstein:: do we see any other hands.

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her):, I see other hand.

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Osbt hal hallstein: okay,, I guess, with that. We open and close the public hearing on the topic of some rural marsh and we move back into deliberations from the board.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, so I guess why don't I start the discussion, simply by framing, were you know the business at hand is a recommendation.

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Osbt hal hallstein: by the open space board of trustees requested by staff for acquisition in phased approach of 9.5 acres, with a primary goal to d fat fragment the ownership parcels in the some borrow marsh area. So um what what,, if anything,, do folks want to discuss about that? Request.

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Osbt hal hallstein: caroline.

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Osbt caroline miller: yeah, I spoke with neighbors surrounding the marsh and.

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Osbt, caroline miller:. Historically, there are pictures as well,. There are times that it is dry there,. There is no.

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Osbt, caroline miller:- it just wasn't mentioned at all in the packet that that there will be no water there at time. So I was wondering if anyone could just elaborate a little bit on that.

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Don d'amico: yeah, I can speak to that.

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Don d'amico: we. don d'amico:, the city, does not own storage rights to play squatter directly in some borough marsh. We have water rights in the east, folder, ditch that we use to irrigate land to the east of the marsh, basically, between the martian, the east, boulder, ditch and.

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Don d'amico:, depending on how much water we apply, some of that water and some fish tail water and actually goes into the marsh.

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Don d'amico:, but legally we can't we can't put water directly into the march and stuff hydrological cycle of wetlands, like that. It's it's really important that there be hydrological variability.

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Don d'amico: and it helps with nutrient cycling and helps with.

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Don d'amico: vegetation, management,, it affects, can affect macro invertebrate, habitat and aquatic..

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Don d'amico: plant growth,, and so we found that.

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Don d'amico:, you know these natural hydrological cycle of wedding and drying. There might be curious, just like you know: drought, periods,, where the marsh might be completely drive for a couple years and that that picture I showed up just the white.

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Don d'amico:, the white soil in the basin- that's that was actually a year that the march tried out and it was dry for about two or three years,, as I recall,, and that was actually solved. It wasn't snow. It looks like looks like snow but.

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Don d'amico:, so that allows for.

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Don d'amico: again vegetation to either expand and grow down into the basement or when water is high,, typically, because it's so salty that places enough stress on the emergent plants like bulrushes and cattails to kind of.

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Don d'amico:, basically stress them out enough to where they they kind of retreat to the margins of the mars. So you've got burying years when there's you know open water, like you see now and other times when the water, when there isn't as much water, when you see the the.

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Don d'amico: invasion of,, if you will,, or the colonization of the base of the marsh with bulrushes and cattails, and taller emergent wetteland species like that so.

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Don d'amico: again we we like the fact that there is that pathologic variability, because it really helps with the ecological health and the habitat value. So mark.

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Don d'amico:, I know the public doesn't necessarily like it,, because you know when it's dry and there aren't as many certainly certainly waterfowl and shorebirds..

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Don d'amico:, don't like it when it's really dry, one of the things that creates the great shorebirds habitat out there is, as the water recedes, it creates mudflats much like.

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Don d'amico:, much like title mudflats that species like fell ropes and avocets and other waiting, shorebirds really, really like, and that's that's a really a rare commodity in the bowler value.

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Osbt, caroline miller: okay, thank you, and then,. When I looked at the s&p property now,, I just want to clarify on the east side,. It seems like when you look at the property map that we would not own the entirety of the water. Is that accurate, or is the os? Am I just looking at the s&p property map.

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Then correctly.

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Cob, bethany collins:. We would own the entirety of what is considered the marsh itself that the marsh acreage so okay.

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Osbt caroline miller:, like when you pull up the property map for the first personal that we're talking about.

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Osbt, caroline miller: right, there's kind of a very small break between that and the green that shows a snp and as well as like the direct that, because that's a little bit under and then the same thing on the direct east side,. And it could just be. You know,, like a mapping.

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Cob, bethany collins:, it might be a difference between the parcel layers yeah and the s&p mapping. Yeah.

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Don d'amico:, I think I think what that might be, there's a there's, a layer on that map, the blue layer. It's it's kind of a light blue that shows it's an open water, gis, layer and that.

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Don d'amico: that might look like it doesn't include other other parts of the marcia. It looks a little weird, I agree. Caroline, it looks. It looks kind of funny down there, but it's only because of that blue, open water, open water, gis layer that we have on the mouth okay, thank you.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: yeah. I have a question that I think, john or maybe mark and address as far as the educational programming, that for news conducting out there.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:. How do we anticipate the their use of the parcels that we're considering tonight.

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Cob mark davison:, that's a good question dave, I think. That's typically, under the mo you have got the thorn. We have an annual work planning meeting and that.

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Cob, mark davison: would normally do to those one of the like early in the year, one need in the south thing for us. That would be where we have that discussion. I think it's like to be determined. We get agreement somewhere.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: so has snoring traditionally used those properties.

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Cob mark davison:, you know understanding is that they have an agreement currently,, but it can be for educational purposes, for use of those areas, similar to the way they have an agreement with us,. They don't know the exact details of it.

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Cob, bethany collins: for a minute they do have and mark they do have a permit on.

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Cob, bethany collins: those two eastern parcels currently with the county,, which is another reason you know we're doing a phase two is to determine what their uses. How that might come under the fold of the city and not to acquire it with a permit in place are things that we can have those planning discussions.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, so the permit that the county has issued. Are we anticipating extending that during the time or or what is our.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: objective there.

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Cob, bethany collins: again we that that's part of the the planning meeting that that mark has has detailed. A lot depends on their year to year.

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Cob, bethany collins: their year to year programming plans and and how they use both open space parks and open space. There lafayette.

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Cob, bethany collins:, you know properties things like that kind of their their system, wide planning, so to speak, as well,. So that would certainly be something that is part of our upcoming planning discussion with them.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: in the hca designation when it becomes official,, then that will certainly be integrated into the permitting process for foreign. I assume right.

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Cob, bethany collins: correct those are all the considerations that that and and again why we want to take this phased approach, so that we, we do have time to consider those multiple levels of use and and restriction. Frankly, thanks.

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Osbt michelle estrella: thanks to him,. He as prohibit the use of.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:, the desert,. He will prohibit the use of the lands for educational purposes.

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Cob, bethany collins: and they prohibit off trail us, so you would have to get a day off trail permitting to to allow any kind of any kind of you. Know, use outside of the the designated trail corridors.

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Cob mark davison: definitely,, I would just add in the.

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Cob mark davison: song was like they'll accept times like one of the goals might be to help with restoration,. It might be confined mental education to work with education, staff, so.

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Cob mark davison: I'd say that that's what definitely is pointing at this will hopefully continue that relationship figure out how it also integrates.

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Cob mark davison:, not just a summary rupa, like stephanie, said across the system.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:, I know osm p values and environmental education, and I know that's you know, one of our charter purposes, so I'm not worried about that at all,. But I just want to.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: make sure that that is something that we,. We continue to value as we look at this second phase,, but otherwise. I think that this acquisition makes all the sense in the world and and I'm supportive of it.

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Osbt hal hallstein: I'll step in there and riff. On that I agree with you, michelle. I find myself convinced that the ecosystem lens has been applied very nicely here,. I believe there is synergy.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, where we reduce administrative costs in liaising with the county and we've refocused those efforts on actual ecosystem building,, particularly in phase one.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, I think there'll, be ample opportunity within the planning phases for integration, to address the right balance of uses in this,, but as the fundamental question of does d fragmenting this and taking it into our our system, as opposed to the county, I'm I'm a clear supporter of that myself.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:. One thing I would add as well, is that similar to what wunderland late to which we had the you know, a very.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, good and long conversation about a few months ago,. You know these undeveloped. Natural lands in urban contexts, are extremely important and it.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, the management challenges associated with them are also different and and can be high,, but their importance in kind of an urban landscape is is extremely high,, and so I do think that.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: a place like some bro marsh warrants very careful management attention and in provides those educational opportunities that I think are extremely important for the community as well.

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osbt hal, hallstein:, caroline or karen to yoke, caroline I'm.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, just so the public knows or two people that are surrounding the area,. When we talk about financing issues with some barrel, marsh.

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Osbt caroline miller: does does that mean.

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osbt caroline miller:, like in regards to the ecological perspective that we think.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, financing in the marsh is something that is being considered, or is that not what we're talking about I'm asking one because of the cost of doing that, and then just so the public that lives around there has an idea that.

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Cob, bethany collins:, it would be looked at and again it's it's part of the assessment is looked at as a management tool both to establish the boundary.

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Cob, bethany collins: fence in the marsh prevent encroachments, which are historically an issue in you know when, when you're, surrounded by by residential or or private properties.,.

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Cob, bethany collins: to look at those management issues, and you know we don't the the the either or is to look at fencing as a management tool or to you. Know, have to look at potential encroachment and licensing things, for you know, as as as we go go forward with stewardship of the marsh.

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Cob, bethany collins:. So that's that's, always a management consideration. Every time we acquire property, and so that would be part of the the resource management assessment.

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Osbt hal hallstein: here um any final thoughts from you,. It seems we're getting close to some consensus. Here.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, I just want to mention.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: the value of this property,. I agree with everything that that my colleagues have said,, but its value in terms of providing a learning laboratory, for.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: volunteers,, as well as students,, and especially in this case, boulder ballet school district students, to.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: connect to the outdoors and do some service learning kinds of opportunities in helping to manage the ecosystem out. There.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, especially with respect to native species, to non native species, invasive species.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: and would refer to the the master plans.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: cc ei.

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osbt-karen hollweg: three and six and seven items which involve things like michelle and how have referred to in terms of engaging.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: youth,, as well as other visitors, to inspire stewardship and expanded understanding of the ecosystem out there, and I think this site provides a wonderful opportunity for doing that..

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, and if we, if we have all the parcels under smp control than those kinds of activities, can be carried out in a more integrated way.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, I agree wholeheartedly, can with those comments,. I think we might be ready to lift emotion for recommendation.

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Osbt hal hallstein: that the boulder city council approved the faves acquisition of 9.5 acres of land from boulder county adjacent to some borough marsh open space for open space purposes,. Unless anyone else would like to move that, I'm willing to move it myself.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: I'll second.

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Osbt hal hallstein: up dave on a second.

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osbt hal hallstein:. With that we can call the role we start with karen.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: yes. osbt hal hallstein:. If you clearly vote for.

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Osbt hal hallstein: caroline.

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Osbt hal hallstein: yes, michelle. It's not also affirmed so.,.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. Thank you so much bethany and don for guiding us through this. We see big opportunities ahead and your hard work is greatly appreciated on all the details. Here.

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Cob, dan burke: and if I could just take a second to thank our partners and our colleagues over boulder county, I know bevin, and tina joined us tonight, and.

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Cob, dan burke:, janice, wissmann and all the other real estate staff from boulder county know. We approached them and they fit this into their staff capacity to address this issue. For us, their plates are very full, and so I just want to appreciate and thank them. For.

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Cob, dan burke: the time that they have already put into it and will need to get approval on their end and all that takes staff time and, and it was a request in our behalf,. So I just want to put a heartfelt thanks out to our friends and partners of boulder county open space. So.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. Thank you very much, dan and, yes, thank you, everybody who did join much appreciated.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, with that we are ready to move on to our second main topic. This evening,, which is a public hearing and consideration of emotion, recommending approval of purpose, proposed open space, other land use, changes.

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Osbt hal hallstein: in the boulder valley comments, comprehensive plan within the east, boulder sub community planning area to the planning board and city council and then.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, why don't you do, that one.

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cob, dan burke: yeah and if somebody wants to work on even a longer motion for the next few minutes, feel free have at it.

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Cob, dan burke: by now,, you all, are probably pretty familiar with, with the planet think this is our third touch with you on the open space elements involved in the sub community plan and so you'll see some familiar faces, join us and again with julia now, our.

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Cob, dan burke: planner here with open space among parks and kathleen king with city planning,, so I will turn things over to them again. So.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: so much stan, so I'm gonna share my screen.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: are you all,, seeing that.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: yeah., juliet bonnell, cob: great, so as dan mentioned,, I will not repeat.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: the long winded reason why we're here yet again, um but as he mentioned kathleen king is also here. She's. The exporter sub community plan project lead from comprehensive planning.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: so I'll share some details with you and then she's here to share some additional information and answer any questions you may have.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: so, as we discussed. The purpose of this agenda item, is to get osb cheese recommendation to planning board and city. Council.-.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: for approval of the proposed open space, other land use, designation changes within the folder sub community planning area to the boulder valley, comprehensive plan or bbc tv land use. Map.

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Juliet bonnell, cob:, the purpose of sub community planning, is to really take the big city wide goals of the bbc p, and consider flair and how they can be implemented in a sub community at a local level.

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Juliet bonnell,, cob: than just designations, help achieve community desires and contribute to this citywide goals outlined in the bbc.

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Juliet bonnell, cob:, the bbc p, currently includes three categories of open space. Land use designations that are relevant to the changes being proposed by staff.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: there's open space acquired or osa that reflects land, that's been acquired by the city for open space purposes, open space, development rights or restrictions or str, which applies to privately owned land with conservation, easements or other development. Restrictions.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: and then. juliet bonnell, cob: open space other, oh so, which applies to other public and private land designated prior to 1981 that this city and county would like to preserve,, but by itself,. This designation does not ensure open space. Protection.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: as part of the sub community planning process staff reviewed all of the open space lands within the east folder sub community area.

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Juliet bonnell, cob:, which has led to staffs recommendations as some additional context for staffs review and analysis. I wanted to share the long and complex history of or so and mapping open, space.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: first, prior to 1981, there was a hand drawn open space map which only included one category of open space at this time,. The land use designations of osa os, dr and oh so did not exist.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: the reason for how the boundaries were defined or the type of natural resource values associated with the designations were not recorded..

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Juliet bonnell, cob:, then in 1990, the open space map was combined with the bbc p land use map,, and this was done by hand.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: around 1995, the bbc p land use math, was digitized during this process stuff copied what was the hand drawn broad land use map onto mapping software that was parcel based and very accurate.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: this process lead to mapping errors and created issues with overlaying. The old paper macro scale open space them out until micro scale, digital mapping platform,, and this is one of the major reasons why there are misalignments and other types of errors in the bbc to land use. Map.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: in 2000 as part of the bbc major update osm p, worked with planning to split out the existing open space land use designation to reflect, acquired open space and open space development rights. Holdings.

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Juliet bonnell, cob:, so three more specific, open space, land use designations were created, open space, acquired open space development rights and then open space other was created for the other open space that was identified before 1981.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: so,, along with creating oh so for the not acquired for development, restricted, open space to new land use categories were created to be applied, moving forward to identify and preserve lands with environmental values.

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Juliet bonnell, cob:, these are environmental preservation and natural systems overlay,, and these are what what are applied to lands today.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: and currently the lso land use designation boundaries remain the same hand drawn shape from before 1981.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: when development is proposed on a private parcel with an os. Oh land use, designation planning and open space staff, evaluate the natural resource, values and city charter purposes for open space on the property.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: clinic staff and considers and issues development permits,, taking into account s&p staff opinions on the property accordingly.

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Juliet bonnell, cob:- and this has been done collaboratively through the development review committee or dr c process for more than 20 years..

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Juliet bonnell, cob:, though so land use designation, has created confusion among the community with regard to the natural resource values present and to osm piece interest in acquiring and managing the land in perpetuity.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: as part of the splitter sub community plan process, two categories of changes to so are being proposed.

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Juliet bonnell, cob:, these are corrections from so to osa or str to what our mapping errors from the digitization process.

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Juliet bonnell,, cob: and re designations from so to other land use designations, to create clarity with regard to open space status of particular properties, and there was some peace interested in acquiring and managing the land, and also to avoid confusion during the city's development review. Process.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: in order for the bbc p land use map to correctly reflect land. You status within this planning area. Steph is recommending the updates shown on this map,, which are also included as attachment a of the memo.

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Juliet bonnell, cob:, the red areas indicate portions of properties that were previously acquired and fee,, which should appear as osa, and the pink areas indicate portions of properties that were previously acquired through conservation easements, which should appear as os dr.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: this table corresponds with the land use map on the previous slide and is included as attachment be in the memo.

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Juliet bonnell, cob:, it shows the acreage is of portions of properties for proposed changes are recommended. Approximately 4.3 acres of open space that were previously acquired and fee should appear as osa, instead of all so.

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Juliet bonnell, cob:, while approximately point seven acres of portions of open space properties were previously acquired through conservation easements and should appear as os dr instead of oh so..

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Juliet bonnell, cob: this map also included as attachments see in the memo, shows the two locations for staff is proposing re designating. Oh so areas to other land use, designations.

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Juliet bonnell, cob:, the os so designation, shown in the middle graphic, is believed to be intended to protect the boulder and left hand and north older farmers ditches, as shown in the third graphic in this area, near belmont and 47th street..

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Juliet bonnell, cob: the areas that jason to these ditches were permitted to be developed, as shown in the area, the first graphic above and are not of interest to.

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Juliet bonnell,, cob: us and p for preservation stuff believes that this, oh so land use designation, was applied more broadly than necessary to meet the intention of protecting these ditches.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: so we're proposing reducing the existing. Oh so designation in this area to more accurately overlay the ditch corridors to ensure their continued protection and associated natural resource values.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: some areas are already protected by existing easements and will remain as sdr is shown on. The third graphic.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: stuff also recommends that the already developed lands,, including the remaining 12.4 acres of oh, so be changed to a land use designation that better reflects the existing develop conditions.

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Juliet bonnell, cob:, this land use designation will be determined by the east folder sub community plan land use plan, which currently recommends mixed use. Industrial for this area.

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Juliet bonnell, cob:, the second property or stuff is proposing a designation of land uses is that 2323 55th street.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: do so designation shown in the middle graphic is believed to be intended to protect the wetlands on this property.

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Juliet bonnell, cob:, the area jason to this wetland was permitted to be developed, as shown in the area of the first graphic above and is not of interest to us and p for preservation,. Due to the already developed lands.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: staff believes that the pre, 1981 or so designation was applied more broadly than necessary to meet the intention of protecting this resource.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: so we're proposing reducing the size of the os so designation to cover only the wetlands on the western portion of the property.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: staff is recommending the remaining two acres of oh, so the already developed lands be changed to a land use designation that better reflects the existing developed conditions.

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Juliet bonnell, cob:, this land use designation will be determined by the splitter sub community land use plan, which currently recommends light industrial for this area.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: and last month's board meeting the board requested information about the development history of each of these areas where stuff is proposing land use.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: our land use three designations, so I'm going to turn things over to kathleen so that she can share what staff has since learned about this history.

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Cob, kathleen king: yeah thanks um so yeah last time we met and there were some questions. About.

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Cob, kathleen king: these properties history,, and so we looked into,. We looked into that history, a little bit and.

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Cob, kathleen king:, and so you know this property or these properties at vail month and 47th street, where annexed into the city in 1978 as part of ordinance, 4367.

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Cob, kathleen king:, the properties were originally known for industrial use and a car dealership isn't allowed use within this area,. So the development and you send the site we're likely.

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Cob, kathleen king: by right,, which means that the development and use as a car dealership with was was within the zoning for this area requiring no site or discretionary reviewed by the city or associated boards..

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Cob, kathleen king:, the property owner would have needed a building permit and building inspectors would have ensured that the city's code, regulations and standards for development or followed during construction.

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Cob, kathleen king: this development history has not changed staffs recommendation for the area.

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Cob, kathleen king: and if you go to the next one.

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Cob, kathleen king:, then you know, through through our research staff, discovered that the property which houses, the boulder valley, humane society, was annexed into the city in 1972 as part of.

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Cob, kathleen king: ordinance 3808 and this ordinance wasn't available in the city records in these laser fish, but I'm, given that most all of the zoning in the area is some form of industrial. It may.

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Cob, kathleen king: be of a similar history, so animal clinics and shelters, are an allowed use in the area,. So it's likely that the development and use on this site was also by right.

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Cob, kathleen king: and did not require review by planning board, but would have been required to follow all city standards for development,, and so you know, in this case as well, the development history and hasn't changed staffs recommendation for the area.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: so much caffeine and that's our presentation and we're happy to answer any clarifying questions and the staff recommendation is included on this slide. Just for your reference.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. Thank you very much. Juliet and kathleen.

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Osbt hal hallstein: much appreciated on the feedback from the prior presentation and the research requests.

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Osbt hal hallstein: with that, let's open it up to questions from the board.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:, hey and thanks for the presentation,, I have a question regarding the them on. It sounds like some of the ditches are protected.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: in a separate way, and then some of them, we just want to leave the os dr to protect those ditches is, is, is my understanding that, right that some of them are protected.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: and I forget the terminology,, but on its own,, but we want to leave the osd er for continued protection. Is there any way to make those designations similar same so the dishes are protected in the same way.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: or is that, like way too much because of this process to get the osi part right.

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Juliet bonnell, cob:, so I can bring this, as you can see, on this slide. This kind of shows, I think, what you're asking so we've got.

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Juliet bonnell, cob:, so easements are already over protecting the ditch corridors,, where it's os, dr in these sections,, and so what we're recommending currently is leaving os.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: on the areas of the ditches that don't have that already built in os dr.

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Juliet bonnell, cob:, so that's why we're proposing leaving os, oh over that section as that kind of trigger for us to take a look? If I'm development is proposed in that area, and so that's kind of the the reasoning behind that proposal. Does that make sense.

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Osbt michelle estrella: right, so some of them are already protected by easements, but the oh, so portions are not.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: and that's what we're gonna leave it there and we can't.

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osbt michelle estrella:. I guess I would I was trying to ask this could be made,, but that's probably a way. Bigger question is to protect them via easements continuously.

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Cob, dan burke:, that would be a land negotiation conversation and.

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Cob, dan burke:, the ditch companies also you know, have inherent rights over these areas, so, to be honest,. The department is not concerned that the ditch will go away and so, in all likelihood,. These probably would not rise to a priority for our real estate team to.

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Cob, dan burke: put a lot of staff capacity and trying to negotiate an acquisition of some sort of these areas,. Just due to the nature of of feeling pretty confident that.

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Cob, dan burke:, you know the the inherent ditch easements that are there,. Even though they're, not city easements, the ditch companies have the rights.

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Cob, dan burke: also sort of add that layer of protection to these to these areas.

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Osbt hal hallstein: caroline.

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Osbt, caroline miller: yeah,, thank you for the presentation and this question might be for dan will see. I think I'm kind of.

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Osbt caroline miller:, going off of what michelle said in understanding how it it benefits us to keep the lso over it,. If we're not really interested in them.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, if that's confusing to the public,, because I went and walked all of the ditches. So it's apparent that they're all taken care of in various ways by various people, there's no.

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Osbt, caroline miller: parallel care between any of the areas that we were looking at so.

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Osbt, caroline miller: we're not going to coordinate or oversee the work done by private contractors right so like the bmw dealership, whatever lawn they company, they use to do their area versus another place.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, so I guess I'm just kind of confused like the benefit of doing it,. The way that we're proposing, I just feel like I still don't quite understand.,.

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Cob, dan burke:, if I could clarify, I think what you're asking is: why don't we use this as an opportunity to not have any os os designation at all on on these? Not protected slivers of land is to remove or so designation completely off. These.

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Osbt caroline miller: yeah does that benefit us or or not or yeah.,.

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Cob, dan burke:: well, it's something that we certainly could take a look at at the major update portion and 2025.

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Cob, dan burke: typically,. That would be a time that we would. We could look at those type of issues like I said right now: the oh so and kathleen correct or bethany correct me if I'm wrong,, but the yo so would not.

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Cob, dan burke: is is, in this case. Would just be.

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Cob, dan burke: an alert system basically to city staff and the open space staff that if there was anything that proposed to that, would be unforeseen that could disturb.

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Cob, dan burke:, the ditch cord or area,, the rsl would be something that the planning staff would sort of. It would tip them off that there's something here and they were bringing the open space staff into it. So that's really probably the only value.

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Cob, dan burke: out there,, but I asked kathleen and beth they have. They have any other colloquy on that one.

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Cob, bethany collins: yeah. I can just real quick. I jumped on,, I can tell you,, you know the scenic easements that exist along those corridors. Were.

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Cob, bethany collins: basically, dedicated during some development process,, and so this leaving open, space, again,, I mean oh so again, along those ditch quarters could trigger us to really do that that analysis again in the future and say.

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Cob, bethany collins:, you know if they're proposing development that gets near encroaches on those ditch corridors and working with the ditch company, you know,. There could be the extra protection negotiated during the development process.

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Cob, bethany collins: and an additional scenic easements or ditch easements, or some sort of open space event put on those core doors at that time,. As part of the kind of negotiation that that dan.

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Cob, bethany collins: discuss,, so I think this is a good step,, rather than you know, as far as just that trigger of you know, looking at the need to ensure those those core doors are still.

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Cob, bethany collins:, you know, and the the water utility itself or the the the water.

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Cob, bethany collins: that the state of the water quarter is is continued to be protected,, whether it's you know just via the ditch the existing ditches men or warrants for their protection during a development process is that does that help in your question, carolyn.

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Osbt caroline miller: yeah, it was just kind of understanding, like where the responsibility would lie. So, like you know, they'll do like drainage way, hazard assessments and if there ever was a problem and.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, you know the community was upset about it because we did not act on it, and we do have a classified as oh so,. But what I'm hearing? We were we're kind of a step back as far as just leaving this as like a maybe blanket of protection in the future.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, so I guess just that understanding of of perhaps it could help us in the future,, but how much of a liability is it now or not? Really at all, it's kind of those different factors weighing out.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, the important.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, I'd like to jump in my question, is, is tangential on that for bethany and juliet. I am a believer that these.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, discord or corridors our veins of life,, giving blood to our ecosystems, certainly merit the ongoing monitoring of the department.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. My concern is more about how you arrived at the chosen width.

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Osbt hal hallstein: of the corridor,, and how are we being assured that those corridor widths are going to be applied consistently throughout the boulder valid, comprehensive plan.

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Osbt hal hallstein: so as not to preferentially benefit certain developers or landowners and that we're being consistent with the amount of land, we say merits are oversight.

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Cob, bethany collins: julia did giuliana kathleen. You want to jump on on that, or do you want me to.

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Juliet bonnell, cob:, so I can start, and you can definitely add that to me.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: so kind of standard, where you kind of have do have standards that we start with as far as the width to go by and that's the same as the existing easements,, and so we did touch base with all our natural resource. Staff.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: just to confirm that, that is,. They believe that that's adequate for to protect those resources that you mentioned.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: um and they they assured us that, yes, what we were using there absolutely is and, as far as the kind of broadening out to other areas. That's absolutely going to be um that's something that we're going to be taking into consideration. Um.

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Juliet bonnell, cob:, if and when we get to the full bbc p major update,, but for right now we're just kind of focusing in this area and what we're doing in this area is consistent with everything else. Within this area and kind of our standards around ditch. Protection.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, and what's that footage., juliet bonnell, cob:? Is it bethany correct me? If I'm wrong, is it 25 on either side 25 feet either side of this.

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Cob, bethany collins:, and so um how what you're, asking so, typically in the state of colorado, if you don't have a formal, easement um or some or some other documentation or reasoning, prescribed, a ditch quarter right tends to be 30 feet so 15 feet. Each side.

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Cob, bethany collins:, the the easements many of the the easement, the the ditch companies through boulder will.

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Cob, bethany collins: state that they have kind of that that they need 50 feet, and so in this an end and we're okay with that, oh so doing 50 feet 25 feet each side.

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Cob, bethany collins:, as as kind of that that area, we did discuss, does that in any way kind. Of.

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Cob, bethany collins: identifier agree that they have a 50 foot right where they might only actually have a prescribed, 30 foot right and it doesn't. It doesn't provide any kind of formal. You know ditch or formal, formal conveyance of a right that they don't already have. Is that does that help.

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Osbt hal hallstein: ya, know I certainly understand it,. I just think for consistency through the plan. We'd be wise, to.

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Osbt hal hallstein: to settle in on that number and working on it and I've just heard 50 feet so I'll, be there at the next bbc p major update remembering that one. Thank you. That's a good straightforward answer. Sure.

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Cob, kathleen king:, I might just mentioned,, you know, I think it's kind of a theme that I'm hearing from all of the board members about a desire. For.

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Cob, kathleen king: and consistent treatment and for ditches in how we approach them in our land use mapping and that certain conversation that we've been having and has been really revealed through this process. And so we'll continue to look at it..

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Osbt hal hallstein: sure.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, I understand that that this process that we're in the midst of tonight is being driven by trying to get accurate, maps.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: and osbt-karen hollweg: and saw my questions involve differences in the maps that you've given us on page four for agenda item,, for there are the three maps of belmont and 47th that existing aerial view. The current boulder rata valley, comp plan view and the proposed, oh so, dr.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: map., osbt-karen hollweg: and then on attachment a there's, a different view. Of.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: the.

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osbt-karen hollweg:, ditch quarters that we've been talking about.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: in the one that's shown on proposed. Oh so, dr mixed use, industrial. It shows to oh so dr areas.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: on attachment a it, only shows one, oh so dr area,, so my first question in a series of questions is what happened to the other os dr in the belmont and 47th street area.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, why is it not shown an attachment a.

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Kacey french: okay, can answer this. I think I'm so the o s on attachment and looking at the map to carry.

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Kacey french: on attachment a the sliver of purple near sterling, is because that was a correction,. The other osd are did not need to be corrected.

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Kacey french: on that ditch it already existed,. So this map a is just showing the corrections from where it was ok,, so the os dr os, a so the other osd are that are along the ditches needed no corrections,. They were already showing up.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: okay, thank you., osbt-karen hollweg: yeah,. Then let me go on to the 55th street property.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, let me,. Let me just say that was casey french for the record,. Thank you very much sure we're introducing everybody.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, I'm on attachment a on the 55th street property.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: um.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, I don't know how to describe this but.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: the the.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: the property that is the.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, it appears to be a right angle, sliver on the.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: south west corner of the humane society, property.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: is.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: is not shown in red, it's shown in light green as open space, acquired.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: and I want to understand why there's no red there if.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, if the objective of our considerations tonight is accuracy and mapping,, I want to make sure that it's accurately shown.

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Kacey french: julia, I can. I can jump in again if you'd like, I believe, karen.

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Kacey french:, I think if you look at attachment three, why it's not shown as a correction is because it's already been accurately shown as that sliver as a I think, an attachment see. I think it's a little bit more clear that the parcel that we're speaking of is is north of that.

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Kacey french:, I think it's more clearly illustrated on that. One that.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: then why,. Why are the red lines.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: around the acquired, open, space.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, so I think, let them out the era.

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Kacey french: of the humane society, she had on.

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Kacey french:, I think the sliver just didn't it was showing correctly and where you see the red lines is where you see.

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Kacey french: the mapping errors from that transposition from those slivers so that that little green sliver that was just showing up accurately well on attachment. A the red lines is where, where where it is not.

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Kacey french: hoping hoping I'm explaining myself well enough to split between the two karen.

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Juliet bonnell, cob:, these are a little bit tricky I'll, just jump in and add some clarification,. These are a little bit tricky because most of the properties here on attachment a.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: are showing up correctly it's just the sliver, tiny slivers of the property that are showing up in red that somehow didn't make it into getting categorized accurately as osa, where most of the property is accurately reflected. It's just those tiny slivers.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: okay,, so you feel confident that we're not introducing seeing more errors in this set of documents that we have tonight.

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Juliet bonnell, cob: yes., osbt-karen, hollweg: okay,, then I'm.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: I'll hold my other comment to later on in the agenda.

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Osbt hal hallstein: thank you,. Thank you karen. If we don't have a dave, you have a clarify.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: no,. I have a comment so I'll hold up.

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Osbt hal hallstein: okay, thank you,. We, I think, are ready to take the public hearing portion of this. If there are no more clarifying questions will come back and fully deliberate shortly.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. With that I'll hand it over to jean.

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her): great thanks how okay, um if there are folks that would like who would like to speak to this item, that you could please use the raise hand, function now.

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Cob, jean gatza, host (she/her):. I know we had at least one that messaged me in the chat, but I'm not seeing the race handling,. Are you here and did you want to speak to this item.

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Cob, jean gatza, host, (she/her):, yes,, okay, cool we've, got hand raised now. Okay, and again, we'll have two minutes for public speaking,. You should be able to unmute. You can go ahead.

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Lynn segal:, I was just waiting for someone else to speak because I came to the meeting late. Couldn't get the agenda and.

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Lynn segal:, I wanted to be able to.

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lynn segal: be as informed as I could and sorry about that and I,. I recommend against the change on 55th street from.

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Lynn, segal: from it being mostly os me as all so to something else,. I think that gives us the best options in the future sense and also allows us to acquire it if we feel we need to.

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Lynn, segal: and lynn segal: I'm., lynn, segal:, I'm I'm recalling the map designation. That was off on that 311 project and it was very disturbing because there was one elder surveyors who disagreed with the changes between the digital and the old maps, and I think it's best that we hold on to our oss as much as we can and.

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Lynn, segal: if,. If I might ask for the for the.

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Lynn segal: allowance 70 to speak on general matters because I couldn't make the meeting at the beginning,. I wanted to request that open space consider.

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Lynn, segal: weighing in on rocky flats. I know this is not your area,, but we have a lot of mountain bikers that may be going out there and their health is at risk, right, now.

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Lynn segal:, and there was a map chosen that would avoid rocky flats,. That was not considered. There was no public hearing the city council,, so I recommend that open space.

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Lynn segal: recommend to city council that they they consider this more openly,. We do have people coming from boulder going there and that puts our residents at risk and also we have much more demand for space.

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Lynn, segal: and,, especially considering potential of see you coming here for each per capita person,. You know each person in boulder to have open space and and it's sitting very tight.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. Thank you very much. Lynn.

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Osbt hal hallstein: appreciate that dave. I know you are holding a general comment as we turned her deliberations. I'd like to perhaps start off just in framing this for myself,. I am deeply interested in have been in a long time in the issue of open space other in the city of boulder.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, I will be supporting this staff recommendation its entirety and I just wanted to explain a little bit why I'm.

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Osbt hal hallstein: also,, I see originally as the community's ambition in conservation and preservation, and it certainly remains so, as various errors have flown into that mapping over the years.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. My analysis of the situation is that, in certain instances, also designations. That rightly were placed over ecosystems that had tremendous value to the community.

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Osbt hal hallstein: were jeopardized by the confusion about the designation or so itself, and, frankly, by fixing parts,, where there is no ecosystem value. We more credibly lay claim.

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Osbt hal hallstein: to the eventual acquisition and protection of those remaining lands that increasingly have been questioned, and certain development projects.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, so I see, despite a shrinkage in the amount of ground covered,. It is not a shrinkage in our ambition to continue protecting these important parcels, but is more simply, a.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. It adds to our credibility when we do go to those remaining or so partner parcels that are important and have unique ecosystem characteristics,. So I just wanted to start with put my view right on the table with that. That's, what's, on my mind, dave you have comments here. To.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: I'll make a contrasting view in that is.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, I have a rather jaundice perspective of the lso designation, and the irony is is that I do agree how that you know it, it.

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Osbt- dave, kuntz:, represents., osbt- dave kuntz: a point in time, that people were you know, concerned and ambitious about protecting areas,. But the irony is is that the city is the worst offender of.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, diminishing the os, oh designation,, and I think we're we're seeing we're seeing results of that right now and.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: one of the concerns I have about ditches per se, and I I don't agree that there's much ecological value with certainly as some of the ditches that we're looking at right, now.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, but my major concern is that the the city can put a ditch into a pipe at any time that it deems that is warranted, and so,. When we say oh, the ditches and I do agree, the ditches have you know.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: not extraordinary, but high ecological value in certain cases, in, and they are very vital to you know: semi arid landscape,, but the fact of the matter is, is that the city.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: cares very little in my estimation, about the importance of or so designations.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. Can I ask a question directly back to you, though dave doesn't leaving a quarter or so over. The ditch provide a layer of protection against its eventual underground,, etc.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: well,, the ditch company that are private landowners. And, from my perspective,, you know the the ditches are protected. Just you know, by state law,. Just because of the you know, the ditch company ownership.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: when its desire to put it into a pipe or or bury it.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:. I tend to think that perhaps it depends on the ditch company's preferences,, but they probably see that as a benefit, because it requires less management.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: over time,, and so it's not entirely city issue,, but I think in general.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, the concerned about.

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osbt- dave kuntz:. Certain ditches in these developed areas is that.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, you know there there's not a whole lot of environmental value associated with them any longer, and the city is, is primarily responsible,. I think, for the diminishment of the importance of those, though so designations.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, so I have mixed feelings about this,. I do agree that it's worth correcting, you know the mapping, errors or mistakes are anomalies.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, but as far as assigning high ecological value to a lot of these areas, I think we're way. Past that.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, fair, enough,, caroline, I see your hand up to.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, I'm just kind of speaking directly to what you said in this area,. There are portions of the left hand ditch that are in a pipe and underground,. There was a new development built,, so these stitches are not.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, you know,, open and out and all portions, so what what dave was saying, has happened, and in the exact area we're talking about yeah the.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:. The best example is actually silver lake, ditch in north boulder that north boulder community park that the silver lake ditch all the way out. To.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: mesa reservoir on boulder valley, ranch, open space used to be,, you know,, a traditional open, ditch and it was put into a pipe.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: basically, from you know around the wunderland lake area, all the way out, past broadway and us 36, so anyway, I just I I again. I don't want to beat a dead horse metaphorically speaking,, but I think the city is the worst offender. As far as the diminishment of the importance of these designations.

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Osbt hal hallstein: I'll just call me on that quickly. Dave. I tend to agree with you in that general summary however,. I see us with a simple decision at hand, which is.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, we we either the oh so that is overlaid on these ditches is now wrongly over development and the ditch.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, the real options are we grant the the lso core adore over the ditch and routine or so in their covered or uncovered in its current state.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and represent as a board our insistence on on consistent treatment of ditches with or so designation,, which perhaps prevents elsewhere in the system,. You know in other bbc be updates.

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Osbt hal hallstein: it'll it it to remove it entirely. I see we lose all ability to protect it from underground and keeping it as an owner. So designated corridor allows us to lobby for day lighting for enhancement over time for beautification,, and so I see no benefit to waving the designation.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, and I don't I'm not suggesting that. I'm just saying that I think realistically in when you look historically, that there have been some issues associated with the lso designation, and you know, one of the things I think that.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, I'm concerned about, is that.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: the confusion, because, again,, it looks like you know. The open space in mountain parks department should have a role in managing these areas and in fact that's not the case and and so historically.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:. I think that we've got to figure out a better approach to the role of the open space amount parks department in its relationship to the oh, so designation.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: thank you.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, I have two comments,. The first is for kathleen. I thought you had previously said that there was a consultation.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, when the planning department received a request for doing something with an osi piece of property,. Did I miss understand that.

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Cob, kathleen king:. Now that's right! When proposals come in, or projects come in and there's oh so designation, I'm on the land as as dan was describing earlier. It's kind of a red flag for planning staff to coordinate with our lesson. P talk about the.

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Cob, kathleen king: the environmental values of of whatever land is.

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Cob, kathleen king: needed or so, and then, in the case of ditches, recommend that the.

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Cob,, kathleen king: property owner coordinate with the ditch company and kind of follow up to make sure that that happens,, and so that that's correct, we do in the development review process, certainly coordinate with the s&p staff.

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Cob, kathleen king: on any projects that have an open space designation on them.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: and if, if the smp staff said.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: that dish ditches important,. It should not be underground or put in a pipe,. Then what role does the planning department have as a next step.

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Cob, kathleen king: well,, so um ditches and ditch companies.

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Cob, kathleen king: have you know,, I think.

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Cob, kathleen king: different.

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cob, kathleen king:, roles, maybe, and if bethany still- and she could probably speak to this better better than I do,, but did you companies are.

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Cob, kathleen king: sort of similar to the railroad and their power to make decisions about their own property without the.

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Cob, kathleen king: oversight, oversights, not the word,, but without the intervention of probably the city and.

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Cob, kathleen king:, but I might. cob, kathleen king:. I might ask bethany to jump in because she knows more about detroit's than I do.

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Lynn segal: hearing the department of defense budget posture.

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Osbt hal hallstein: somebody attending to hearings, what's.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: the defense hearing.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, I don't take any.

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Cob, bethany collins:. I know I saw lin lin's thing jump up,, but I was just trying to unmute having some problems,, because I think I had my headphones on. um So.

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Cob, bethany collins:, it's your your question is, is very complex, so ditch company has really had the dominant right, and so,. If, if a development scenario proposed.

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Cob, bethany collins: converting, I mean a piping, a ditch. The ditch company would have really the first ability to give any kind of permission to do. That.

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Cob, bethany, collins: or and allow it, or very much say we don't want it and they actually don't like their ditches piped a lot,, because you know you have to have access points for for maintenance and you have to have clean outs and things like that, and so..

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Cob, bethany collins: they, but they would have the the dominant right in the dominant interest and be the first in that company,. You know that that tree of consultation and then.

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Cob, bethany collins:, open space,. You know you've got to read the definition of open space other because it doesn't have. It doesn't hold a ton of weight.

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Cob, bethany collins:, when it's still in private ownership, so again you've got the fee title owner, let's say a commercial. You know.

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Cob, bethany collins: commercial office park or in this, you know,, a car dealership. You've got a ditch going through there. You've got the ditches interest.

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Cob, bethany collins: that really, as far as that ditch corridor is the is the the the ruling factor and then you've got open space that because it has open space other,, we can say you know, it'd be really great. If you kept that an open, an open and natural state.

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Cob, bethany collins:, but really, if they agree, no development, the ditch company either allows it or doesn't allow it to be piped.

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Cob, bethany collins: those three levels: we don't have a lot of, say,. Well, it's in kind of the private private development scenario,, but again, the open space other is important to trigger those conversations and potentially those compromises during a development. Project.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: so,. In your historical analysis, you guys,, did you see we're open space consultation occurred and the specific properties that we're addressing tonight and.

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Cob, bethany collins:. I have not been able to track that down. Kathleen did you,. We have not seen that in our realm of the the designation and the development took place, really, really close in the I think late 70s, is what we were talking about, and so kathleen were you able to find any of the.

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Cob, bethany collins:, the designation versus the development of those like 47th street parcels and such.

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Cob, kathleen king: and no and they did not go through,. You know, as we kind of mentioned in that presentation, this were by right development and they would not have gone through a site review process and that's typically.

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Cob, kathleen king: the process, that.

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cob, kathleen king:, really flags those different triggers right.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. One thing I think, is fairly clear as as this board entertains these essentially concessions and contraction and open space. It comes with a request that that red flag, you referred to, is well oiled and.

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Osbt hal hallstein: we're at the times when it is supposed to be used. That's at least part of my understanding of this arrangement.

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Cob, bethany collins: and, and it is, I mean around the city,. You know our role on development review, if it comes in for site plan or or annexation, or anything like that, the flag goes up very quickly.

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Thank you,, caroline.

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Osbt, caroline miller: and this questions for dan it's kind of to play devil's advocate off of what how said so,, how likes the idea of, if I heard him right of or so still overlaying the ditches for consistent treatment of the ditches.

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Osbt caroline miller:, but I feel like what I'm hearing is that the ditches do what they want, with their ditches.

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Osbt, caroline miller: we're not really there to coordinate or oversee anything. So while it would be nice if, oh so, allowed consistent treatment of ditches, it.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, is it fair to say that it doesn't or what do you,? What do you think about that.

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Cob, dan burke: well,, I think I'll just go back to the fact that will have a seat at the table and whether that seat at the table has a lot of ways for not awake a lot of weight, or whether or not we can be influential in an outcome.

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Cob, dan burke: every every specific case will be different,, but what the also allows us to do if we apply to consistently is to at least be at the table when discussions are happening about the future use.

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Cob, dan burke: of that area- that is oh, so so that's that's the benefit. I think bethany explained it well, as far as in certain cases,, especially when ditch companies are involved,. You know we may take third fiddle.

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Cob, dan burke: or at least invited to dinner, and I think, that's sort of.

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Osbt, caroline miller: them with that portion that I was talking about that was recently. The ditch was moved and shifted to allow for this new build. You could go there and like look at it and know that it happened, very recently,. Where do you remember any portion of this.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, coming to us and saying hey we're actually going to tunnel some of this like where we at the table for for that portion that I'm speaking of that.

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Osbt caroline miller: was rerouted tunneled.

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Cob, dan burke: yeah- I don't have any specific knowledge of that.

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Cob, dan burke:. So that's not ringing anything in my mind,, but I don't know.

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Cob, bethany collins: yeah, I'm not sure, carolyn. What which area you're speaking of but, again,, I suspect, either,. If it was due to a new development or new build it was. It was a by right development, so.

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Cob, bethany collins: that doesn't trigger the so consultation and then it was it's just a discussion really between the developer, and the ditch company,, and you know the ditch company, obviously,. If it's been it's been.

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Cob, bethany collins: pipes recently they they must have allowed it. I do know if you're talking also, you know, there's a good scenario also is over it kind of the new.

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Cob, bethany collins: development near gun, barrel,, I mean a called, not gun barrel diagonal crossing, that's kind of the island in the iris, diagonal kind of area.

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Cob, bethany collins:, that ditch was you know, there's a ditch, lateral there, that was not oh so, but was allowed to be, was allowed to be.

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Cob, bethany collins: piped in order to put the development in,, and that was in negotiation with osm p,, with the developer,, with the ditch company and such so..

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Cob, bethany collins: we do again, is it all really depends on the development standard and the code requirements and things,. But if it's a buyer right development, that's that's really the only time this doesn't take. Place.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. If people thought it would be helpful before entertain the motion itself,, we could do a brief straw poll, to see if there was any will to wave, oh so across ditches. I think we will find that there is not that will, but I'd be delighted to do it. If that's what we need to proceed.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, I want to bring up a separate topic.

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Okay. osbt hal hallstein:. Do you do,? Do you feel that further discussion are you interested in waving? Oh so across ditches, no.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, okay dave: where do you stand on that yeah? I'm not.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, I'm not interested in that. I just okay, pointing out the irony of it.

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Osbt hal hallstein: yep. No, I understand, okay with that, let's move to your next comment: care.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: hi, I'm in favor of cleaning up these mapping.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: issues that that we're being presented with.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, I just want to say before we come to the boat that because I have gone out and observed the.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: situation on the boundaries of the 55th street property that I think it's very important that all smp.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: gets out there and.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: does what needs to be done to establish the open space acquired property as open space land,, which is being used by a whole bunch of other people in unregulated ways. Right now, and that's a concern to me.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, especially given that these mapping corrections.

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Okay. osbt hal hallstein:, so anybody have any final core hesitancy on this or or anything that's preventing them from moving towards support.

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Osbt hal hallstein: okay,, I guess, with that. Why don't we please pull up the staff recommended motion.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and osbt hal hallstein:. I took the honor last time for anyone else would like it. That's fine I'm.

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Osbt hal hallstein: michelle's, is that your hand.

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Osbt michelle estrella: out there and I like to make a motion to recommend to planning board and city council.-.

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Osbt michelle estrella: to approve for approval of the proposed os. Oh land use designation changes within the east builder sub community planning area to the bv, cp land use, map.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, I will suck in that.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, and so we will hold the official vote here. Karen.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: yes, thank you., osbt- dave, kuntz: dave, yes., osbt, caroline miller:, caroline yes., michelle.

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Osbt hal hallstein: yes, and I also vote affirmatively, so that is unanimous.

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Osbt hal hallstein: juliet. Thank you very much. Bethany kathleen. Everybody in your involvement certainly appreciate the consistent excellent work. They're looking at the small ecosystem value that did remain, and we look forward to seeing a lot more 50 foot sloss on ditches around the whole plan.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:: do you remember how ditch companies are like railroads.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, I'm just a gambler,, and that means I never give up something for nothing.

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Osbt hal hallstein: so anyway, with that. That's wonderful dan! I'm going to turn things back over to you.

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Osbt hal hallstein: in matters for urban.

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Cob, dan burke: yeah, well, the big item tonight, other than some verbal updates. After this is, we are season,, and so this will be our second touch of several to come and our service area for central services.

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Cob, dan burke:, lauren, kilcoyne and then sam mcqueen business services manager will lead us through the district. This discussion so refer to them.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): thanks everyone and I'm so thrilled to introduce samantha in to the team. Sam joined us back in march,, as our business services manager, so over time, sam will transition to being your primary point of contact on the budget.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): but,, but for tonight,, and I expect for the next several months, will share that responsibility and developing the memo and bringing things forward to you..

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, but just to introduce sam briefly, sam, has been with the finance department for the last couple of years as a senior budget analyst.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): and before that was doing similar work for dc public schools. My fun fact for sam is that before her life in finance, she was a chemistry and biology teacher so.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, I'm hoping that this job gets to combine the best of both worlds, for her, and we are thrilled at her skills and talents to the team. So we're going to go through the draft tip tonight I'll take some of the slides so we'll sam and we'll wrap it up a question,. So let me just share my powerpoint.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): are you all are familiar with the city process by now, I'm michelle from from previous boards, and this slide will look familiar to those of you who have been on the board.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): it back. In april. We provided you with written information as a first touch on the tip, and that looks a little bit different this year than it has in years. Past.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): in the past,, we would have been talking about work plan priorities, and we did that,, but really what I wanted to get across in the april packet was the impact of coven on revenues and on our work. Plan.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): as a way to set the stage for now what we're bringing forward to you in the drafts tip, so.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):- this is not the only conversation will be having about this tip will be back next month with refinements, based on this conversation.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, and we expect a ton more information to be coming from the finance department, between now and june, around revenues and.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): different components of our budget, so so we'll be integrating all that and bringing something back to you in june.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):. We then switch gears in july and august to talking about the operating budget.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): and then concurrently we start to move into an external part of our budget work where we're working with the executive budget team,, the planning board.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): city council, so going on at once it's about a 10 month process overall from when we start internally to do our work to and city council looks at things in the fall. So tonight is the second of five overall touches on the budget for 2022.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): for tonight's presentation,. I want to spend some time on process so, which is maybe a little bit tedious and a little bit definitional.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, but because we're going to spend so much time together over the next several months,, I just want to lock down.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): really,. What the point is of this meeting, compared with july, and talk about the different components of our budget, we'll just state, the goal of the business meeting I'll turn it over to sam for forecasts and trends and then she'll hand it back to me for some tip project highlights.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, so first,. This is very basic and probably something you all know, but open. The open space fund is a special revenue government funds for the city.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, so that means that are funded the open space fun. Is you to utilize specifically for open space purposes by the open space mountain parks, department.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): over the last several years, we've had a lot of opportunities to streamline what that means, and we've tried to take those opportunities as they've come up. So.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):. Those of you have been around for a while might remember the general fund paying us for some real estate stuff, but we were then turning that around to pay for some help from wildland fire and.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, getting a general fun transfer and a lot of complicated, enter fund allocations and so we're at a place. Now, where we've been able to clean up most of that practice, some of the events and did some have been.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):. We just had an opportunity to do things through mo you, instead of through a fund accounting and what remains now is that..

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, all of our budget,, with the exception of about 420,000 a year and lottery funding.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): comes from the open space fund so,. Our goal is always to uphold the best practices and funds stewardship. You're going to hear me talk a lot about being fiscally conservative.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): making sure our increases to budget or sustainable, making sure that we're telling the budget story in a transparent, way.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, although our team has accounting and finance expertise, we don't often lean on that for these type of presentations. We want to make sure that it's clear how budget connects to the master plan for example,. We want to make sure that there's a there's, an easy to understand, clear.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): computer communication around how dollars are supporting on the ground programs and projects so.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): overall, the fun financial,, which is not in your packet tonight,, but will be over the next few months.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): is, can it makes it starts with revenues,, as you would expect, there's a section on expenditures and then reserves,. So I want to touch on each of those things really briefly before we do a deeper dive into this tip.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, so on the revenue side,, we know that the majority of the open space on revenue is from sales and use taxes.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): the forecast for how we how we start to think about like what? What will revenues look like in 2022? What is a multi year, recovery from kovats looking like.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):: what's the six year outlook, those come from the finance department and the finance department is partnering with economists and with see you and looking at.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): local state national revenues. In order to give us those projections, so they're updated annually in through koba they're, updated a lot more frequently than that, because we're trying to figure out what's going on.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):. We are still waiting for the 2022 revenue projections to come. In,. We think they're going to be coming in next week. So.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): we've made some assumptions here around our expenditures and the scale of rc ip, based on what we know from our last revenue updates. Last year.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, but we know that those will be updated, and that is something that finance owns in generating for the budget process, the other revenues, the non sales and use tax revenues.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, the those are estimated by sam cole, myself, the team based on we look at actual performance,. We look at the consumer price index,, which is a proxy for inflation.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, we looked at approved plan, so when are we going to be renegotiating leases? Things like that.

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Lauren kilcoyne, (she/her): and and we're having that discussion of then,. What do we think is going to happen next year and over six years to some of those revenue, categories.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): and in the april packet, at your request from the retreat,, we tried to break out those revenues, a little bit more clearly than we've done in the past,. So you can see.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): program, specific revenues,. You can see the agriculture and water and caretaker least revenues, so so, hopefully that helped to paint a better picture than what we did last year.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, so the civ that we're going to talk about is based on best current information, understanding that will need to come with refinements next month.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): on the expenditure side,. We are going to talk about our budget in terms of the capital improvement programme, this tip and then the operating budget,. So what is a capital improvement? Program.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):: we we try our best to fit into city, wide definitions and categories for cp. So the definition, as you would see in the budget book is a ci p, is for the maintenance and enhancement of public infrastructure.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): for discrete projects over 50,000 or four projects of the same type totaling more than 50,000. So as that relates to us.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, when those categories were created,, we weren't necessarily thinking about habitat restoration or the confluence area, or things that open space would consider to be major capital. Expenditures.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, so we're frequently retrofitting into those categories,. We also have a practice of, I would say, lumping projects by type.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, so something like fencing, for example, you'll see a request in, for, I think 120 5000, that's made up of many smaller fencing projects across the system.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):. We do that for a number of reasons, one is to be able to attract vendors and so we're much more likely to get bids from fencing companies. When there's assurance, of.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): a greater scale of work to be performed,, and we also know that we have flexibility across the system when we do that, so in any given year.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): one fencing project might become more urgent, something might happen,, we need to get out there and it gives us a level of flexibility to say overall we're going to make a big capital investment in fencing.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): and some of the sites might shift between now in january 2022 and these dollars come online,. So the last comment on this topic is that we also have a lot of multi year projects where.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): individually in a given year,. We might not reach reach that 50 k threshold,, but over the course of the project, we will,. So an example in your packet would be.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, four chambers were in the current year. It's funded at 120 22, we're looking at 20 k,, but we're looking at the total cost. It's going to take to implement on that work and that's what makes it a capital project so.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):. I think it's very easy to dive way into the weeds on a lot of these projects,. But if we can kind of up level and zoom out a little bit.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, this tip represents about 18% of our overall budget for 2022. So the reason that we're spending so much time on it, relative to the operating budget,, which is the vast majority of our budget.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): is because it's it's made up of these discrete projects that are finishing every year and then we're kind of on to new projects and there's new things to talk about compared with.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, ongoing programs, ongoing projects, personnel expenditures that are less agile and they change a lot less frequently in any given year, so.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): overall,. What we're talking about tonight is not a major source of department expenditures,, but it is the most flexible,. So we put a lot of time every year into generating that project. List.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): the operating budget, on the other hand,. So that's where you're looking at core services day to day operations.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): thanks to keep the lights on pay, the bills, make sure staff have equipment, make sure our fleets in good shape things like that.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, excuse, me, and the way that that structured and we'll talk about this more in july and august is first we're looking at standard and non standard personnel expenditure so of our..

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, my estimate, right now,, which could change, is like 29.2 million for next year about 15 million of that is salaries,, whether that standard, seasonal temporary.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, then we talk about our non personnel budget for ongoing programs, our annual debt payments and our cost allocation,. We have heard from the finance department that there's going to be know increased across elocution.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): in the current year or next year,, which is wonderful news for us as we do our budget planning so operating, is really the majority of expenditures. That's what we're going to focus on july and august, and and for this, for this meeting, we're really zoned in on this tip.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, the last part that I'll mention here in terms of budgets structure is reserves and these, depending on the fund in the city.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): there's a range of practices around how to manage reserves, because we are so sales tax, dependent.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): we're very subject to cyclic economic conditions. If there were a recession,, if there are any major impact sales and use tax like what we saw last year.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):. We know that we are more impacted than the average fund in the city by things like that,, and so we keep a relatively high 20% contingency reserve,. We also know, after the last.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): 10 years, or so that we are very impacted by emergencies, so very impacted by the flood,. We know, we had a number of fires. Last year,, where we were impacted and staffing, the eeoc and responding.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, so those reserves are available to us,. Should we need to tap into them.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):. There are a couple of off cycle methods, where we might be taking budget action outside of the process,. I just described,. One is adjustment, the capital carryover adjustment to base where.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):. If we had a multi year, project and construction was going to take a number of years,. We would take the leftover money from last year and bring it forward into this year to be able to use.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): and the other option for adjustment to basis if there's unplanned or emergent revenues or expenditure,. So we have the opportunity to incorporate that into the budget at two different points throughout the year.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, so my last slide before I hand it off to sam is around see ip development, the department. So I've been talking about city, and if we take a next level, down.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): really, the way that we're coming up with these projects and deciding on what we think is the best for the cfp for any given year.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, where we're our work planning process is going to be, is going to be the central point in making those decisions, and many of you have heard me talk about this over the years.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, but we probably have about 400 staff hours into developing the project list that you see in your packet.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): and that's a combination of things so we're doing intake with subject: matter, experts and project managers we're looking at our department priorities, our plan, commitments.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):: how do we scale back project so we're only asking for what we need,, so we can maximize the amount of work, we're doing,? How do we phase things? Where do we have staff capacity.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): in our goal is: let's say yes to the highest priority projects and no to the ones that aren't ready.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, so this year a couple of changes,. We still have our work plan steering team,, but we spent a lot more time at the service area level. Working with.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): working with supervisors, generating that, like wish list of projects to then bring to the broader conversation and search, do that priority work. So.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, my personal feeling, and I think the department's feeling is that this list of projects is really solid and in the result of months now, very intentional work,. So we hope that you feel the same way, so I will hand it off to sam.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her): thanks lauren. cob,, sam mcqueen, (she/her):, lauren, on.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: me is just a quick question before you go on yeah you,. You mentioned that that we don't do fund accounting, anymore for.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: our commitments,, for instance, with with well what wildland fire group and we do that through mo use. What does that mean in terms of how the money goes back and forth between? Because there's some there's still money exchange between osm p and wildland fire.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): and it would be on a on a per project basis. So as an example,, we used to pick point seven, eight of a wildland fire chiefs, f, t.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):- we we no longer do that so so the general fund now supports that full f t,, but we provide a lot of other in kind services, around training or operation and repair of a brush truck, making sure we're equipping red carded staff.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): that we can meet a commitment around a certain number of red carded employees or squad buses or engine bosses. Things like that. So we've worked it out through the mo you to be an equivalent contribution, without having to exchange dollars back and forth.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, by specifying projects within the mo you.

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Lauren kilcoyne, (she/her):, yes, and and and I suppose, expenditure type,, so we would have a brush truck or a water truck or whatever it might be,, and we would make the commitment to pay for replacement on that truck to pay for maintenance on the truck so.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): it could be on a per project basis or a an expenditure type basis.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, thank you. That's very helpful., yep.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her): thanks lauren good evening trustees. It's nice to meet you all. I'm looking forward to working with everyone,, particularly during the budget planning, process, and so,, for the next few slides, will focus on the economic outlook and funding for the 22 2022 ci p.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her):, as we noted in the memo, the finance department presented actual 2020 revenues to counsel on april 27 across all funds. Retail sales tax on 8% decrease from 2019 to 2020.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her): us taxes,, like construction in business consumer, did see an increase from 2019 to 2020 moderating some of the negative financial impacts of coven 19.

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Cob, sam mcqueen (she/her):, as outlined in the april business meeting, the open space fund was also supported by one time: revenues that offset the 2020 declining sales and use tax next slide. Please.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her): initially,, the open space funds, 2020 revenue budget was set at 31.8 million. The number was revised down to 25.2 million after we experienced the early financial impacts, of.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her):, our actual 2020 revenues of 30 million, are reflected on the right and gray.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her):, so overall, the open space fund saw 5% shortfall from our initial revenue budget in blue to the actual 2020 revenue collected in grey.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her):, the reality of these numbers help to inform a realistic target for 2022 cit funding.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her): next slide, please.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her):, as lauren mentioned, the finance department is going to provide us with revenue estimates in the coming weeks.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her):, we develop the draft ci p,, with a balance of fiscal realities and department priorities in mind. Our priorities included master plan, implementation and capital maintenance projects or taking care of what we have.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her):, while the projects, you see, on this list, account for long term revenue impacts, of.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her):, the point one 5% sales tax extension through 2039 will allow us to increase the cit budget over previous years.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her): as a reminder,, the sales tax increments, as they exist now, are listed at the bottom of this slide.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her): we'll take a look at tip numbers in the next few slides next slide. Please.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her):, the draft 2022 tip, is funded at 5.37 million,, which is consistent with pre flood tip averages for the department.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her): you'll notice, the ip totals above the department's annual average of four to 6 million between 2014 and 2018. During that time,, the department needed to repair extensive damage on our lesson plans, as a result of the 2013 flood.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her):, we entered an era of changing revenues in 2019 with the reduction of the point, one 1% sales tax,, a reduction of the point: three 3% increment down 2.2 to the end of the general fund transfer to osm p, and the extension of the point. One 5% increment through 2039.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her):, while the 2022 civ does account for a multi year financial recovery from cool but 19. The overall cit budget is within the normal four to $6 million range for the department.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her): next slide, please.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen, (she/her):, the., cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her): focuses on capital maintenance for taking care of what we have,, which has been an explicit effort in the department, since 2019.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her): in orange you'll see that 77% of the 2022 vip supports capital maintenance,. Most of these projects are continuations from previous years. You'll also see that no funding will go toward new facilities or infrastructure in 2022.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her):, and with that I'll turn it back to lauren to discuss, proposed tip project highlights.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): thank you,, and some of us will be familiar from the last board retreat and some of some of this will be new. So so our goal coming out of the master plan with the financial sustainability focus area.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): was to really improve the way that our financial reporting connects to approve plans into department priorities so last year, as an initial attempt.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):. We tried to link each tip project to a primary masterplan strategy and some of that went well and some of that didn't so our goal was really to expand.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): want to find new ways to slice,. I think, is how I typically say like we want to be a slice, this information and a lot of ways to get you what you need.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):. We knew going into this process. You wanted to emphasize to your one strategies: accelerate those where we could.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, and we wanted to be able to display our financial information in a way that aligned with the focus areas and the strategies in the master plan.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):. We also wanted to meet the intention of the integrated budget guidance and the master plan,, which gives us ranges for our investments in each of the focus. Areas.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): it's year, too,, so I don't know that I'd call it trends, data just yet,, but we wanted to make sure we are keeping that in mind as a gut check.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): and our biggest lesson learned last year was really that our projects address multiple master plan. Objectives.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): we're not operating in silos. Our work is not done in silos and each project impacts, a lot of different strategies.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, so we made updates in our work planning system to allow each project to connect to a primary, secondary and tertiary strategy. So.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):. We hope that that makes the information more accurate and more reliable and tells a better story around how this tip allows us to implement on the master plan. Objectives.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, so what we get is this.

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lauren, kilcoyne (she/her):. We have about 72% of the cpu dollars invested into your one projects with 10% in tier two and 18% in tier three..

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Lauren kilcoyne, (she/her): and then,, if we're looking at a through a focus area lens, we see that you hr is, is getting the the biggest share of the the ca p,, followed by at amp t.

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Lauren kilcoyne, (she/her): and r se in in the third place, there, as it relates to the integrated budget guidance. We then want to just check and make sure that we're within the ranges that we committed to us when the master plan was approved, so.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): any hr, we're we're middle of range rsc a little bit low into range middle of range on on agriculture, today and tomorrow.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):. We know we have some work to do over the next few years and bolstering cci.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):. I think my my overall message, there is that in any given year, we're looking at what are the highest priority projects in that year, and so in 2021 47% was any hr.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):. We could reasonably expect and some other year that those percentages change and we have different investments in different focus areas and then on financial sustainability, we're somewhere in the middle of range as well.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, so my last couple of comments here relate to the master plan,, but also related to some of the narrative we've had for the last couple of years. Around.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):: how are we taking care of what we have our best our dollars,. The first thing I want to highlight is around product management and soil health,. So we want to make sure.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): that we're being clear on how those commitments are carrying forward even as we're talking about this tip in a different way in terms of master plan. So you can see here.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): in 2022. We have three different projects related to these investments,, but I also want to be able to track back the last couple of years, so.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): this first line around soil, health and irrigated ag lands and agro ecology,. You can see that was first year pilot funding that we increased in 2021 and.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): that work continues,, but in 2022 we wanted to be a little bit more specific and more clear about where those dollars are going, and so we've divided that into two projects that you see here in 2022, which is.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): being clear about where we're putting dollars into unleased ag lands and where we're we're investing in leased properties,. So the work continues. We're representing it in a slightly different way.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): on the prairie dog management front, same thing: 2020 we had early recommendations and some early work getting underway.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): really,, bolstered funding, almost doubled funding in 2021 and then cove it happened,, and so we had a hiring freeze and.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): some some challenges in and getting work, done,, and so our goal is to pick all of that backup and 2020 to.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): continue to spend those dollars and 21 and 22 and come back with a request and say 23 years out years, depending on what's needed. Once we can hit the ground running this year, so.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): final comment is around restore irrigated. It feels a prairie dog conflicts,, so we have a.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): budget right now in 2021 of 370, and you see us increasing to 4040 in 2022. So we feel like, in this tip, we've been able to deliver on those key commitments.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, as well as delivering on the master plan and the way we want to describe that work same goes,, and this will be my last highlight around.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, you've heard me talking for many years about take care of what we have and baseline assessment and asset management and beehive.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, so we're not losing that and in fact, in we've level, funded or increase investment in maintenance, tip categories.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): throughout this document, and I'm sure I missed a few, but here are some examples. Just out of the packet, so agricultural fencing we've been able to increase their facility repair and youth corps. Which.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): in contract occurs to do our trail projects. We've level find it there and then for your vacation firms that improvements and restoration we've been able to increase in those annual maintenance, tip so.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, hopefully we're heading in the right direction,. We hope that we've incorporated all your feedback from retreat in last year around how we want a better display. All of this information moving forward.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, and I think with that, will turn it over to questions so I'll pose this question,, which is what questions you have, thank you.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. Thank you lauren. Thank you. Sam really appreciate the presentation.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: so. osbt hal hallstein:, who would like to start out in this I'll, just reframe we,. This is not a public hearing. We won't be taking comment,, we are.

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Osbt hal hallstein: providing feedback on a draft plan which will return to us once again in the future as an action item. So really we're just prepared for a discussion.

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Osbt hal hallstein: essentially, of how we feel our staff has done balancing various priorities within the ci p, and how they've done in terms of linking it with master planning goals,. Who has some questions or thoughts to begin with.

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Osbt hal hallstein: michelle.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:, hey lauren, sam great job. I really appreciate how I'm all the numbers here as a numbers person myself links up to the master plan and the priorities there and it makes it easier to track, and particularly the associated department assessment plan, part of that.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:, I am not going to nitpick projects,, because I know that that's a very complicated.

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Osbt michelle estrella: process for you folks to develop your work plan and get things that are shovel ready into the pipeline and ready to do in 2022. My questions are: have one question around you know, taking care of what we have and maintenance considering.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:, you know, because of covert we've had a lot of people out on our trails, which is fantastic, but there you know the there is a downside, in terms of our lands and eating more maintenance and.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:, more attention, as a result, or trails as a penny, more attention, as a result,, so the dollar,, the percentage of dollars, seem a little small to me and relative to other other buckets. I'm wondering if that's because a lot of that work falls into the operating budget. Is that right, okay.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): yes, and I'm muted,. I could expand upon that yes,. Thank you for calling that out and.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, so a couple of things in the world of the contract and crews and trail projects. We have 20 2021 and 22.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, the plan is any dollars that were unspent last year are being leveraged this year, so we're increasing the amount of contracting crews were hiring in any given year, to try to get a jump start on that deferred. Maintenance.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, the other piece of that is exactly what you said,. Our seasonal and temporary crews, carry out a large amount of that work, and so, when we come forward with the operating budget, we'll talk about that more but.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): in the trail space,, I believe we have seven crew leads and 15 or so crew members that that'll that'll do much of that work on the ground.

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Cob, dan burke: yeah, as well as our volunteer link in our volunteer program to the trails work,, which is a really robust program in and of itself.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, I'm not seeing other hands,. I do have a quick question in the land, water and mineral acquisitions realm. Can you just tell us what's roughly slated in and around that that's sort of a broad category.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): yeah. It is broad and thanks for asking so.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): 350,000, you will, you will be getting presentations over the second and third quarter on some of those proposed projects,, the the biggest one that we're considering right, now.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): is a trail easement to implement in the north hills, area,, and so I believe, that's actually scheduled for next month. To start that conversation, if I'm not mistaken.,.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): and there are associated immediate needs dollars and that other immediate needs project related to that potential acquisition. So.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, that's the biggest one and then of course, in any in any given moment. Bethany and team are considering and working with landowners on a number of acquisitions and it's it'll be.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, whatever whatever strategic ones, are brought to you in the next six months that could close in 2022.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): on the carryover front. Several years ago we had about a $35 million acquisition carry over, and so we've prioritized spending that down over the last five plus years.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): and in fact I don't think yeah we're not funded at all in the current year, and last year might have been 700,000, so bethany and dan and team have done a great job of making..

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): once in a lifetime, unbelievable acquisitions and now we're in a place where we have about 3.5 million and acquisition carryover, which could support maybe.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): one medium sized acquisition or several smaller acquisitions,. So what our goal is part of that 350 is to make sure we have what we need for the things that are on our plate now, without fully depleting. What's left of that acquisition carry over.

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Cob, dan burke: to that is that it's not that see ip phone can be used for associated expenses. That may not just go to.

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Cob, dan burke: give you money to the seller, for instance,. If we needed to do deal due. Diligence work, such as survey, work getting appraisals.

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Cob, dan burke:, some of the legal fees that are associated with doing due diligence that also could be pulled from that acquisition funds. So it's purchase price plus everything, sort of those expenses that are associated with doing a correct and transaction.

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Cob, dan burke: and that's what mineral rights, water rights and land acquisition.

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Osbt hal hallstein: girl. osbt, caroline miller: yeah,. Thank you for that presentation. um My question was about water rights.

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Osbt, caroline miller: does our. I know our agriculture portion and taking care of what we have in the soil. Restoration falls into that in order to be able to start irrigating.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, the lands that have water rights that aren't being used, right now,, but I guess just kind of if you could.

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Osbt caroline miller: help me to understand that a little better, I was reading some of our past packets, and you know we were discussing that. Obviously the high priority to keep our water rights and if we were to ever.

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Osbt caroline miller: unfortunately, lose them,. It would cost so much to try and regain them that it wouldn't even really be cost effective for budget.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, and it concerns me with you- know: fire hazard, danger and things like that that we're all dealing with right now, so.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, if you could talk to me a bit more, you think you can understand what I'm trying to say about how we are prioritizing that and making sure that we keep all of that.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):. I think most of this question I'm going to kick to to bethany or dan.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): I think.

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Cob, dan burke: or john potter.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): or john potter yeah as it relates to to the projects I'll my very high level introductory comments,. So we know that the acquisitions tip can support acquisition of land, water or minerals.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, and so that that portion is funded out of that that project there's a number of other projects that you mentioned, that touch on on water, so irrigation infrastructure, south boulder pecans in stream, flow.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): those would be considered much more operational than what you're describing in terms of water rights. But beyond that, I will kick it to whoever is the best staff person to address that question.

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Cob, dan burke: yeah, I think I might be john.

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Cob, dan burke: john. john potter, osmp:, her dan.

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John potter, osmp:, caroline, we we work really hard to use water rights every year to, to the largest extent, that we can.

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John potter, osmp: there are ongoing water infrastructure maintenance that we have to do every year and there's also a certain amount of major maintenance that, where things have.

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John potter, osmp: deteriorated,, we have not had the capacity to address all the field laterals and all of the ditch infrastructure, that.

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John potter, osmp: that we would like to do and that's what this tip funding generally gets directed to. To.

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John potter, osmp: be able to make sure that we do that major maintenance and that we continue to be able to use those water rights and therefore protect them from claims for from junior rights holders that could otherwise interfere with our ability to use them in the future.

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Osbt caroline miller: sorry,, I hit mute and unmute several times, um.

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Osbt caroline miller: okay,, it might take me a second, if I have a second thought on that. Thank you.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, I'm two questions.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: last time we talked about the egg structures spreadsheet you said it wasn't quite done is that it is state now that it is complete.

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Cob, dan burke:, um I think, refer to our residential arm.

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Cob, dan burke: uses of our residential properties are rather, which some of them are definitely an agricultural use,. But I think two meetings ago we were talking about that. We were doing an assessment of our 38 dirt.

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Cob, dan burke: lauren- I don't know what the exact number is, but let's call it 35 residents structures that we own and that we're doing.

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Cob, dan burke:, an assessment of what use are they currently in and what is our future desired? Use of those buildings.

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Cob, dan burke: and out of that full assessment, are there any of them that we're not for seeing an open space use for.

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Cob, dan burke:- and I think we I forgot what month we have that pigeon,, but it will be this year in which we come back to the board with a summary of that report and what our findings, for, I can just give you a little bit of a sneak preview. I for one.

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Cob, dan burke: came into this with the notion that maybe we have some surplus residents, lands that maybe aren't serving an open space purpose, and I was one of the I guess I wasn't surprised,, but one of the findings that we think we're coming up with is there's probably just a few.

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Cob, dan burke:, in which we could have a be determined that there may not be a high priority open space use for most of them, are are.

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Cob, dan burke: returning to have a very important, either current or potentially use for a lot of them could be future intercultural, tenants.

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Cob, dan burke:. I know that there is this a lot of studies and a lot of work done at the county level, in which one one of the biggest impediments to successful viable agricultural program. Even with all the government support that's involved in boulder county is agricultural tendency is is.

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Cob, dan burke: just sure you can make the land available,, but they can't afford to be here, you're good, that's that's a big impediment, so andy and john and the team.

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Cob, dan burke: have taken a close look over the past year, and all of our residences to try to link which one of those up would be a priority to link to a an agricultural lease.

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Cob, dan burke: area that could then be available for housing,, which is really desirable for us, because the more people we have on site.

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Cob, dan burke: caring for our lands,, the better care of our lands, will get so long. Winded way of saying that we do have it on the calendar for later this year to bring you the results of that assessment.

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Cob, dan burke:, your immune.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, the reason why I'm asking about that is I'm assuming. That is what leads to the item: that's labeled historic agricultural facilities, rehabilitation to prepare for tenancy.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): so.

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Cob, dan burke: yep go ahead, and.

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lauren, kilcoyne (she/her):, so that project,, I believe there are nine sites identified in the ag plan to update their use for tenancy.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, and so that project is we do three and kind of conjunction, so there's the upgrade on the house to make it livable.

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Lauren kilcoyne, (she/her): and usable by the agricultural tenant and then there's the related farm site, improvement project and the irrigation infrastructure project and so.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, we will be focused on the the lewis house,, which will then go through the farm site improvement in your addition, work to to make to ready, the whole site for agricultural tenancy.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, so those two that are listed on that page or are related.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: yes, and are these related to the list and the analysis that dan was just describing or is it a different component of the open space system.

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Cob, dan burke: yeah so,, even though we we pretty much, knew that the lewis house was going to go this route. We have analyzed every single residence that we have.

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Cob, dan burke:, even if some of the conclusions were foregone like yeah, it's currently or cultural use, and we know it,, we know it's going to continue to be,. We still did a full analysis of each resident's,, even if we didn't think we had any questions about it.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, so so, what's budgeted for here is just one of nine others. Eight other sites to come.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, yes, and building off of the last few years, we did hundred cold and then partner, legal and now hurdle, and the current year and then lewis, and so we've got that list sort of programmed were over the three year period. We're reading that whole site for tenancy.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: okay,, thank you and then my other question. I see tall grasses on here,, but I don't see anything about new zealand, mud, snail.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: yes,. They is that it is that a funded project or not.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, it is so the new zealand months now project was initially on the.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): list. We knew that staff wanted to begin working on that before the 2022 budget is live, and so, when we did our capital carryover project, we had about $400,000 remaining for covert response and recovery.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): compared that against the the actions for cobra that needs to take place this year and we actually removed $75,000 from that carry over.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, so that we could dedicate it to new zealand months nail work in the current year,, so there was there was an urgency and an eagerness to get the ball rolling now, so we opted to do that, instead of waiting until 2022.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, so it'll be fully funded and implemented in 2021.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): well,, we have,, I should say we have $75,000 earmarked for that work, and I would defer to john around scope of what will get accomplished in the current year.

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John potter, osmp:, I will be coming to the board in june, with a lot of information about that project karen, and we can explain the budget breakout for between this year and 2022. When we give you that presentation.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, so they're probably will be something added in on here about new zealand months neil,, or is it here already, and I'm just over looking at.

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John potter, osmp: it all those $75,000 that lauren was talking about, will carry us from 21 into 22, okay, yeah.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, thank you very much..

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Osbt hal hallstein: please.

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osbt caroline miller:, um., osbt, caroline miller:, so kind of going back to real quick. We had 500 acres and 10 properties that were released in 2020. If I wrote that down correctly and then I read in previous packet that our.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, lease opening and agreements were going to be january in february,, so I didn't know if you want had.

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Osbt caroline miller: kind of an update on that or like an overview, do we think that those numbers, would be the same this year, a lot less a lot more, as far as opening up new leases or how many acres of land will be under lisa.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): to be on the mic. Down.

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John potter, osmp: yeah- I can address that one caroline, we, it was considerably fewer acres. This year.

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John potter, osmp: two to two properties. This year, totaling about.

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John potter, osmp: about 50 or 60 acres.

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John potter, osmp:- really it's kind of it- depends a lot on what what tenants are doing are some retiring? Are some properties being brought back online that were unbelievable, for example, because of prairie dogs.

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John potter, osmp:, those are the sorts of considerations that the ag staff go through every year. We just didn't happen to have very many properties available this year. We we should have about the same or more later, this winter so.

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Cob, dan burke: uh john, do you have a offhand like how many.

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Cob, dan burke: tenants we currently have, and how much april.

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Cob, dan burke: showers benefit others.

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John potter, osmp: for sure yeah, so we we lease out about 15,000 acres to I think it's 38 tenants, currently.

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John potter, osmp: know and those those tendencies range in size from a few acres, to.

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John potter, osmp:, eight to 10,000 for our largest one, I think, is somewhere between eight and 10,000 acres and that's really a difference between these.

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John potter, osmp: sort of local food sites that we've been developing, where it's more more crop oriented versus the range land, which is leased out in a lot larger quantity, but fire lower productivity per anchor..

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John potter, osmp: and,, and what I'm caroline was asking about was the frequent sweets,, the frequency at which these parcels turnover become available for proponent of we go out and seek proposals from the ag community for leasing. The properties.

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Osbt caroline miller: and are there properties that are on the cusp of being able to be least, I know some of our properties.

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Osbt caroline miller:, with prairie dog issues and stuff, probably are not close to being leasable,, but do you have numbers of one to three years that that would be you know,? A significant amount of acreage could be least.

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John potter, osmp: yeah, the we don't. We don't have a projection yet for 2022,, but we will be developing that in the fall as we start to hear from tenants, whether they will renew their lease or not.

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John potter, osmp:, we do have several. We have a couple of properties where we're trying to work out access,. If we can improve access,, we will be able to lease them. Then.

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John potter, osmp: also,, some of this soil health work that we've been doing should should hopefully make some some additional properties available, if not into for 2020, that for 2023.

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Osbt hal hallstein: on the topic of soil health. First off,. I really recognize how difficult it is to allocate individual projects out. Masterplan tears.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and getting that all to work right,. The one thing I noticed is we are really amplifying our investment in soil health which,. Through my experience with this board.

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Osbt hal hallstein: is sort of an innovative realm. Frankly, we often arrive at questions that are unanswered, etc, and just in terms of our.

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Osbt hal hallstein: commitments to do what we can in terms of the climate crisis,. I just think it's really important that we take really good notes about the investments we're making.

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Osbt hal hallstein: that we publicize that reshare research and we help other groups doing similar work around the country around the world.

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Osbt hal hallstein: come to less unknown questions,. Then we have, as we've kind of gotten started out,. So I just encourage people as far as making good on that. I see. Outbound education is a big part of what we have to do, and soil health.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, so I have a question and I may be overlooking it in the tables,, but are we still focused on evaluating.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: a new headquarters or are we,. What are we doing as far as evaluating you know, future needs,, and are we setting money aside, to.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: fun that in the future.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): yeah, thank you and, and I can start, and maybe dan jump in so in the financial that will bring forward over the next couple of months.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): like what we did last year, we've held some out year dollars in reserves right now, subject to change,, but right now it's about a million dollars in reserves.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): to just signal that there may be a need to stay for some future action,. So we know that our league we're we're in a five year, lease.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):. What it's looking more like is that we would. We would support some sort of extension on that lease and we want to make sure that we're working in cooperation with the rest of the city, so.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, those dollars, I think,- would would just make sure that we have.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): funds available,, as we do that exploration,, but I think at present, we were certainly not thinking like we were a couple of years ago, around broad redevelopment of cherry vale or anything like that, we're looking at what might it look like to stay in the hub for a couple of more years.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, so are we in our fourth year of the five year, lease.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, I believe the leases 323.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, I'm just confirming okay.

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Osbt, caroline miller: and lauren, when I was just looking from the april packet, the proposed budget.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, I might I hope, I'm saying this right: the s&p long term office space,. It seems like in the budget report updated,. If you look at for the city of boulder, that it changed.

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Osbt caroline miller:, the city of boulder, seem to take out.

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Osbt caroline miller: 2022 and 2023 $500,000, which were in hours from last year,. Do you know what I'm talking about.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, not not specifically on the budget book but you're correct that that's budgeted out the operating budget. So within the central services operating budget we have that half million dollar line item to pay for the annual lease.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):. We have that through 2023 and we'll begin talking about what an extension would look. Like.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, as that fits I'd, have to look back at the budget book to see how they've represented it. The city has a lot of work going on,, particularly around hybrid work, coming out of coven and pilot workspaces and.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): a lot of destruction: we've given up leases through coven, so a lot of very complex movement there,, but our piece of that has not changed, and I can refer back to the budget book and make sure it's really captured. Appropriately.

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Osbt caroline miller: yeah, I heard city council talking last night about the hybrid workspace and all the different things that they were doing with that,. So I assumed.

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Osbt, caroline miller:. That would be why but yeah what was in our april packet under the long term office space,, the 500,000 for 2022 and 2023 are not in the approved budget. Okay.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): I'll take a look at that bed. Bed is our intention, when we come forward with our operating budget, that will that will stay as part of the the central services budget.

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Osbt hal hallstein: yeah.

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Osbt hal hallstein: you're muted over there.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: can one of you give me a sense of the scale of the hundred and $67,000 in system wide sign and communication enhancement,. I assume that this is not coven related kind of signage.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: and.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, I hope we're moving forward,. They did. Staff did a wonderful job, but.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: now I'm just wondering.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, you know how much is 160 $7,000 in signage. You must right off the top of your head, say: well, covert signs cost this many thousands. So give me an example of. What's that, what that scale, is.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): sure, and I would say, there's there's sort of three discrete parts of that project. To my memory. So.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): one is a continuation of what we did last year around interpretive signage, so interpretive educational, signage and facilities,. So we have about $30,000 there,, which would cover flagstaff.

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Lauren kilcoyne, (she/her): and south mesa, I believe, are the priority areas for interpretive signage next year,. We also have a continuation of the mobile hotspots that we talked about for around $30,000, so so we're updating, those.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, so it provides wi, fi and trail heads to pay for parking, as well as connectivity to access interactive trail maps and communications.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, so that those are about 2500 each. We have 14 few trail heads and we're trying to get to as many as we can.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): and then the rest is, we have signs that are are breaking down that needs to be replaced and upgraded, and and talking with bill or science supervisor, we're hoping to hit the four.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): biggest highest visitation areas next year,, so she I think she talked with the neatest wonderland and south mesa were his goals,. So I guess, I think of it more regionally, like 100 or so of that would cover those four highest highest visited areas. Thanks.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, who people have more questions, or are we? Are we getting to a place where we feel comfortable with the overall balance, here.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, just as a reminder again we'll see this back in our next meeting as an action item. We have another month to sort of chew on this, and perhaps provide some additional feedback by email, I'm just hoping to tease out any.

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Osbt hal hallstein: anybody feeling like they're, they haven't, captured the right, balance,, etc. How are people feeling caroline.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, I just have one more question related to trails, and then I can answer that question so.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, I keep looking around. I don't have it in front of me, but out of all of the goals that we have in all of their different categories, there's like 4749.

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Osbt caroline miller: and I read that the only goal under each are with number three, which happened to be related to be high,, which happened to be related to the 20%. For that new trails coordinator position and I've heard other boards say.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, I don't know why, but that, behind this kind of been. I don't know if it's with kobe that it was a problem or what but,, but it did say that we met that goal, that out of our open space acres, that 20% was like grafted into beehive, but I'm wondering if that is accurate.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): um make sure I understand so around how the department is doing and in adopting and configuring beehive and then how that impacts,. The carry out of those strategies.

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Osbt caroline miller: well,, I guess, the first question would be it was written that it was met. That 20% was, you, know, walked in and documented enabled.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): oh,, I see.

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Osbt caroline miller: is that accurate.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): yeah. My understanding is that that's all on track,, so the position that we converted from temp to standard, the trails research coordinator, does 20% of the designated designated trails on the system per year..

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): and has a really good system down to do that, so that the jake is out there with the heat up car doing that collection. It's it's sinking well, with all of our systems and.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): and I think we've been really happy about how that's going. We have dollars in the current year to configure new data sets and integrate those into beehive outside of trails and on designated trails. But.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, the current data sets, I think, we're we're happy,. It was our. It was our first big experiment,, so I think, as we onboard other data sets we're going to be looking back.

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Lauren kilcoyne, (she/her): and saying,. Do we need to make any adjustments to how we did trails but, so far, so good,? I think we're quite happy with what got accomplished in that space.

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Osbt, caroline miller: okay,, so maybe it wasn't bad, it was saying,. I did read and sorry I don't have it in front of me to references, but again, out of like the the 47, the only one that we didn't.

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Osbt, caroline miller: complete, was ehr to win,. I believe that that fell under that,, which is why I was confused, but I've seen jake out there with.

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Osbt caroline miller:, the card,, so I know he's out there, doing it.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): is out there. osbt, caroline miller:, because I felt like it was saying two different things.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): yeah, so this and and correct me if I'm wrong, caroline, so there's a section in the in the packet that has the tier one strategies and what we've invested. And I have a comment there that says,, the only tier one strategy that doesn't have money in the.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): is around updating continuing to implement those system plans guiding ecosystem management.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): and,, and I had that debate as I wrote that, because that doesn't mean works not getting done. It means that the project manager didn't think it was a top three purpose of their project.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, so I think from from our perspective, it's not that were delinquent any of those commitments like there's work being planned and scheduled, and we think we're making progress,. It was not considered a primary driver of the project, that's in the 2022 tip. If that makes sense.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, as long as the commitment for the 20% for the next five years is still the plan.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): for the monitoring yes 20% a year. Okay, thank you.

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Osbt hal hallstein: great I'd like to just return back to the high level. Two people feel pretty pretty good about where we leave this. This draft review.

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Osbt hal hallstein: michelle. I see a nod.

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Osbt hal hallstein: dave's nodding great.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, I'm I'm hesitant on and how I want to word this.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, because I do think that it's difficult and there are other departments that do climate initiatives,. But I feel like in our reserves.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, and what we have budgeted out for actual on climate.

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Osbt caroline miller: initiatives. It seems like what we've talked about his stuff on the back end like we've categorized it as doing fire work when the fire has already happened.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, and it does concern me moving forward that these larger, bigger events are going to continue to happen and that what we put in the cfp.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, I think, really should show that we're trying to protect those. You know capital assets and things and not doing it on the back end, but doing it on the front. End.

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Osbt, caroline miller: so., osbt, caroline miller:. I wish that there was more in the packet, but I'm still looking at over again, is. It is difficult for me, because we just get it a week ahead of time,. So I can follow up with some more definitive thoughts as I've had more time to to look at the packet and what I think but.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, I think it would it's important to say.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, that moving forward,- you know we have another big fire, this year, etc, etc, that we really are- and I know that you are very conservative, lauren with money,, which you know we all appreciate.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, but that we're really thinking about that and that you know it's,. This is the new norm and and making sure that we're really accepting that reality.

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Cob, dan burke: a couple of comments: there, caroline I'm.

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Cob, dan burke:, starting not starting, we've done we've we've been doing some great work on the climate crisis,, but what we're starting to do now is put all of those actions.

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Cob, dan burke: sort of pull them together,. So we have a really good inventory of all the actions that we're doing thats related to addressing the climate crisis,, including the fact that this year, we've.

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Cob, dan burke: we've actually significantly increased. Our capacity in our fire are forced, health and fire mitigation. Program.

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Cob, dan burke: we've increased staffing and done some other things directly with that program. Specifically.

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Cob, dan burke:, but we could work on.

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Cob, dan burke:, maybe having john.

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Cob, dan burke: provide you at the next next meeting or not. We can steal a little bit of your time and maybe you could spend five minutes, with just.

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Cob, dan burke: talking about how we're pulling together all this all the climate, information.

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Cob, dan burke:, because I think you'd be impressed caroline, I think we're really starting to get a really good handle of everything. We're doing, and it's going to allow us to pinpoint more accurately we're going to enhance some efforts.

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Osbt, caroline miller: well, and I.

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Osbt, caroline miller: know,, we had to reduce stuff that I knew they took out 700,000 from the general fund for fire,. You know just related to co bid and and needing to cut back.

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Osbt, caroline miller: and I was excited to hear,, and I know that sample deeper was at the meeting that transportation they're implementing this new law.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, which could be up to like $700 million for our cities vehicles in order to help make them green and, of course, for our department,. If we were privy to that expense, I mean that would.

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Osbt caroline miller: lower our co2 so significantly so they were actually up late last night working on the bill,, so I haven't seen any updates so.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, I don't want to make it seem like I'm kind of throwing it on you guys and saying, like you, know,, like fix this problem,, and I know that there are other departments out there that are.

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Osbt caroline miller: kind of created for this,, but I would just like for all of us to like think about it and make sure that we're really making it front and center.

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Osbt caroline miller: and again, hopefully,. If that bill goes forward,, then that would go towards our fleet,, which would be you know great thing,, and I saw that we budgeted, which I didn't even understand. It was like 25,000 for one green vehicle,, but an electric vehicle would cost more than $25,000 so.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): yeah, we have.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, so the way that we save, we have a process called f r&r, so we're we're we're saving in partnership with fam for replacement of our vehicles.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, so what you're seeing in this tip is augmented funding to upgrade to something that would be more energy efficient,. So what we're saving for is a typical replacement, funding.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): and, and then what we're adding through our cips opportunities to green, the fleet or green. Our equipment.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, which cost more than then that operating component of the money, which is if we were to just go out and buy the same truck, here's what it would cost. Well, here's the incremental cost of making it greener, so.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, so that's kind of it,. That is a confusing narrative, we're going to talk about fleet and fleet repair and replacement and operating budget. But that's that's the intent of that tip. Line.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, and if I am, if we hang up tonight, nike or anything else about it's called three green enterprise,, it is that.

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Osbt, caroline miller: colorado has been working, on,, hopefully, that that bill gets yes, and if I see anything I'll forward it to you, guys.

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Cob, dan burke: okay.

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Osbt hal hallstein: wonderful.

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osbt hal hallstein: lauren. Thank you very much, of course,. Will we have you at the action item at next month's meeting.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): sure well., osbt, hal, hallstein:, wonderful and sam. Thank you! So much, we look forward to working with you more closely and really appreciate you joining us. Here.

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Cob,, sam mcqueen (she/her): thank you, looking forward to working with you all as well.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, so, dan. I believe you have some verbal updates.

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Cob, dan burke: yeah- I do have a few minutes worth of updates. I put some notes together to remind me of things that I want to pass along to you.

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Cob, dan burke: also, in addition, at the end of the month,, put out the email update with some other items as well,, but I just wanted to first update. You give you a quick update on settlers part renaming update.

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Cob, dan burke:, I believe it was hell and karen that might have been sitting in at the tribal consultation when that item was addressed. I think dave you're in after that,, if I'm not mistaken.,.

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Cob, dan burke:, but so in the 2016 indigenous peoples day resolution that was adopted by council,. There was a specific sort, of.

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Cob, dan burke: asked, if your request to look at the settlers part name and to.

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Cob, dan burke: work with the community, and especially the tribes that we have agreements with on doing a name: change for settlers part.

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Cob, dan burke:, and so it's actually been about a four year effort,, starting with the indigenous peoples day.

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Cob, dan burke: resolution,, and at that time, we also collected feedback and some suggested game some community members,. We then turned our attention to working with over a dozen tribal nations.

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Cob, dan burke: and, over a course of two consultations in 2019 and 2021, as well as a working group that we formed with tribal representatives throughout 2020..

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Cob, dan burke:, we were undertaking that step to get to see if we could get some consensus among the tribal reps on a name that they could recommend for us and so..

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Cob, dan burke: that came to the successful conclusion in april of this year,, in which there was unanimous consent amongst the over, doesn't tribes there.

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Cob, dan burke: of the name that people's crossing, and I just wanted to quickly pass that name by,, but I also just want to let you know that a full name change application is currently in its final stage of being drafted.

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Cob, dan burke:, which has a lot of great narrative of why the tribes came up with that name, the history of why we're actually doing a name change out at set the settlers park. Area.

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Cob, dan burke:, and, and that is being put together affiliates, is putting the final touches on that. That's going to actually be part of council member console packet. The june 1 council packet.

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Cob, dan burke: and,, once we have that completed, we will provide a link to you,. So you can read a lot of the great information about this effort.

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Cob, dan burke:, but we are following the city's name, change application, process,, and so what the next steps are is the city manager okays gives the okay to the name.

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Cob, dan burke: and then that will be a call up consideration item at the council meeting on june 1, whether they call it up or not is is still a question.

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Cob, dan burke:, I would imagine that they're going to be pretty excited to at least hear a couple of words. About.

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Cob, dan burke:, where we're at with the process,, but once we hear back from council,, then we could commit to actually doing the infrastructure that would be needed.

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Cob, dan burke:, our commitment would be is that we would at least have the main nameplate out there changed over with a probably some temporary signs of of why the name was changed and and and how it came. About.

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Cob, dan burke: and then we're also forming a working group with tribal representatives to continue to look at interpretive and educational materials out of the site to better reflect the history.

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Cob, dan burke: out there and,, and so we anticipate over the coming years to do further work than just changing the name of the site.

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Cob, dan burke: and to do some more interpretive, an educational signage out there,, but we want to do that in partnership with the tribes,, and so a working group will be formed to help us do that work. So look for more information from us as part of the june 1 council, packet.

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Cob, dan burke: and then we'll continue to keep you updated throughout the summer,. Our hopes, is that we can have some sort of commemoration or ceremony associated with indigenous peoples day weekend.

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Cob, dan burke:, which is an early october, and, of course, board, will be invited and to participate and but in the meantime, we'll just kind of keep you up to date as milestones in this effort, get reached in and where. Where we go from there.

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Cob, dan burke:, just a second update,. I just want to update you on a couple of trail trail closures, that I want to voice to you,, but also any community members that are are listening.

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Cob, dan burke:, many of you know that we have a significant trail project going on up and an enemy hill and as part of that work, there's going to be some helicopter.

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Cob, dan burke: activity going on, on monday may 24, depending on the weather,, and that is to mobilize materials to the project site, and we will be doing some community outreach on the fact that you may see helicopters in the area and what it's all about.

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Cob, dan burke:, and so I just wanted to alert you to that there will also.

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Cob, dan burke: be some bear canyon trail, reroute enclosure work coming up,, so our trail contractor out there will start construction on about a two thirds of a mile. Rerouted bear canyon, trail.

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Cob, dan burke:, and due to the fact that there's some rockfall hazard potential from the project site, a closure of the bear canyon trail, will be in place from 678 6am to 5pm monday through friday,, and this is actually expected to start the week of may 24 and go through november of this year..

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Cob, dan burke:, but the trail will be open on weekends and in the evenings and a desk. Additionally, speaking of helicopter,, we will need to mobilize equipment to the project site,, so it will be a brief.

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Cob, dan burke: we're thinking of a one hour. Closure associated with an airlift, have some materials again on may 24 weather dependence. So just wanted to alert you all to that and have that upcoming work.

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Cob, dan burke: on next,. I just want to provide you with some few updates on our inner agency discussions and efforts that are ongoing with all of our kenyan state park and the highway 170 corridor from 93 to the state. Park.

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Cob, dan burke: and it's obviously a subject of matters from board but,. As you know, cpw, is released. Its draft eldorado canyon, state park management, plan.

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Cob, dan burke: again,- you have this next on your agenda,, but I just want to reiterate that staff is currently reviewing the draft plan and that we intend to provide cpw with comments by the end of the month.

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Cob, dan burke:, but some high level themes that are emerging from our initial review is that overall.

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Cob, dan burke:, the staff is not seeing any major concerns and believe that the plan does allow for management, consistency and ongoing collaboration.

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Cob, dan burke: and we are not anticipating adverse effects to s&p lands and management. Coming out of this plan,, we have identified a few minor clarifications, amount of.

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Cob, dan burke: corrections that we will provide cpw in that, and that we will be requesting some refinements and some of the language around.

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Cob, dan burke:, the existing leases and future interagency coordination net, as mentioned,, but in regards to lisa's. I just want to make it clear that staff may consider.

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Cob, dan burke: renewing existing leases and consider others like around follow the trail.

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Cob, dan burke:, but if leasing seems like an appropriate management action in the future,, we will certainly need to bring and want to bring that request to the board. If, if it so happens, that that.

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Cob, dan burke:- that is an action that we would that we would consider doing at a later date, so,, but we do have some language clarification that will do in that area of the plan as well,. So just a little sneak peek peek at some of the themes and issues that we expect to make comments. On.

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Cob, dan burke: in our staff, review.

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cob,, dan burke: and another elbow state park related matter. Boulder county transportation is once again anticipating operating a shuttle from highway 93 to the state park and.

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Cob, dan burke: from memorial day weekend through labor day and the times, would be 8am to 7pm on saturdays and sundays,, including holidays.

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Cob, dan burke: but, like last year, oh s&p is not going to participate in the service,, and this means that our trail heads and our access points along high a 170 will not be points of pickup or drop off for the shuttle. So I just wanted to.

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Cob, dan burke: make you aware of that, and also staff from a few agencies are meeting this month to discuss and identify.

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Cob, dan burke: other strategies and actions to consider along that 170 court or during the summer months,, especially on weekends,, to try to address veal congestion, neighborhood impacts and safety. Concerns.

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Cob, dan burke: and that can include signage and other ways to inform visitors who wish to enter the state park,, especially when we know the state park is at its capacity.

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Cob, dan burke:, so as more strategies and details emerge from these interagency discussions,, I will provide an update and it may even be a things emerge in the next few weeks, part of the monthly update that I'll give you at the end of the month.

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Cob, dan burke: and finally,, we know that, with good weather, becomes people wanting to get outside.

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Cob, dan burke: and so, bill gates has led a collaborative effort with eight land management agencies along the front range develop a press release.

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Cob, dan burke: that will go out next tuesday and really the theme of the press releases to recreate responsibly this summer and be courteous on area trails and minimize disturbance too sensitive natural areas,. And so we have.

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Cob, dan burke: enlisted eight other eight front range agencies that want to be part of this,. So we expect to do a pretty good media blitz.

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Cob, dan burke: in that next week, so be on the lookout for that.

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Cob, dan burke:, so those are some of my quick updates and again in a couple of weeks, we'll put together email with some other items for you as well.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, thank you so much, dan and yes recreate responsibly. I'm delighted to hear we're out front weaving people together and and voicing that message so greatly. Appreciated.

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Osbt hal hallstein: that takes us to the matters from the board segment of our meeting, and we have three different items to move. Through.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. We made a last minute adjustment to the agenda that is going to bring a brief discussion of the green ways representative to the board of trustees and dave. You are set to discuss that for us,. Are you not.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, I am ready,, I am, I am. I am yes.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, so., osbt- dave, kuntz: board representation to the green ways, advisory committee.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: has been requests that the utilities department has made over the years,. There are several boards that provide representatives to the green lights advisory committee, so it's the open space board, the parks board and transportation that that.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: it oh and water.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: the garden. I can't remember the name of the board,, but what the water port does that as well,, so traditionally.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, the open space board has nominated member of the board to service representative and, primarily,. What happens is that there's one annual meeting and primarily it's review of the greenway ci p.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: for the upcoming year now, of this year and in the next couple of years, there is the green ways: masterplan revision,, which is another major work. Item.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: that the green berets advisory committee will participate in as well, so.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: the the annual cit review. There is some open space connection to that, because open space lands and trails go along, or through green ways,, and so there is some implication as far as management.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: projects that the green ways group is proposing, as they relate to open space. Greenway staff and open space staff coordinates so by the time the information gets to the green ways. Advisory committee.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, the staff has basically work through the details and is in agreement. Staffs are in agreement on what the projects are that are on that see ip list.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, so I have served the last couple of years as the board representative.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: and traditionally it's one of the newer members of the board that gets that the distinct honor of serving on the green ways, advisory committee,, and so I will nominate caroline to do that, and the one of the reasons and michelle. You may actually know about the green ways: advisory committee.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: that served on it when I was on path. I'd actually served on it.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, okay,, well then. osbt, michelle estrella:. Then you do. I got my time. yeah.

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osbt- dave kuntz:. You probably have that feeling so anyway, I I am nominating caroline to be the board representative for the coming year. On the green ways, advisory committee and.

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Osbt, caroline miller:. I would be absolutely delighted and thank you for the nomination.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, as long as it is the will of the board.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, wonderful, yes, let's take a brief run through the role karen. Do you support caroline in our green ways, representative role.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, yes,, wonderful dave. You certainly do.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, I do. osbt hal hallstein:, I do, michelle.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:, absolutely not it.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, wonderful, will., osbt-, dave kuntz:. Take that seriously carol. osbt michelle estrella: know it's a good one. It's a good one.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:, I was.

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Osbt hal hallstein: learning. osbt hal hallstein: lessons being made on that,. Thank you very much for representing all of us, we're sure you'll do a wonderful job.

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Osbt- dave, kuntz: and I'll be happy if you would like to talk further I'll, be happy to talk with you as we kind of transition.

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Three. osbt hal hallstein:, and that takes us to our second item under matters from the board,, and this is sort of a large important one I'll start by framing it up as written on the agenda,. This is the draft resolution regarding south folder click, creek flood mitigation, project.

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Osbt hal hallstein: this document, which you will find in the packet and I'm speaking, largely to observers. Now, of course, my co trustees are aware of it.

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Osbt hal hallstein: is essentially a compendium of a series of motions made primarily over the last three years, related to the cu south flood mitigation project,, the environmental.

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Osbt hal hallstein: mitigation and remediation elements, and, recently,, more recently, in taxation related business, which impacts that environmental mitigation.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and the reason that the document has been assembled. It was really the product of our previous study, section on.,.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. You know the cu south project,, where we explored the documentation that had been raised during previous dispositions,, especially the granted disposition.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, where we looked in detail at what prior boards open space board of trustees had done in situations like this, took those as a model and began to formulate our thoughts more coherently in a single, easy to read and concise. Place.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, I think, as far as our goals,, this evening.

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Osbt hal hallstein: for myself. What I think would be very valuable is to first down run, run through each board members opinion of how well we have done the the goal of that project,, which is to encapsulate those prior motions.

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Osbt hal hallstein: to discuss what next steps,, if any, may be there for us, and to gauge everybody's feeling about the timeline associated with making some of these.

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Osbt hal hallstein: important communications,. I will frame this up that it seems generally agreed that,, especially. The parts in this document that are relevant relevant to annexation are important. For.

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Osbt hal hallstein: the city of boulders negotiation team to be aware, of, as they enter these discussions and largely it's an act to prevent miscommunication or misunderstanding.

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Osbt hal hallstein: regarding these wetland acres, which have threatened species and uniquely high habitat value, and are quite valuable to open space systems and how we're thinking about.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, balancing human life, safety against the needs to honor those species and meet our charter goals as trustees. So with that overview.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, well, okay, michelle! You have something to start us off with that's great.

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Osbt michelle estrella: yeah, I mean.

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osbt michelle estrella: sorry,. Can you guys hear me.

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osbt, michelle estrella: okay, and before we dig into the substance of the of the of this document and the other members of the board like to address just the general process and procedure.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: with the development of these documents,, and so I understand how we got to both of these documents that were drafted by the board by members of the board to be signed by spt, including a this draft resolution that you mentioned. How that has written a pretty legal way..

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Osbt michelle estrella: and, as you guys know, I served on sort of five years on the parks and rec advisory board and, and you know, inserting, resolutions into the packet or or letters that are to be signed by the board. They're, not things that I've seen done before. Without.

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Osbt michelle estrella: without being discussed in a public word meeting, and I know that I've only been part of one meeting and I would have anticipated that this would have been brought up. Last month.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: and while I appreciate that there are times the board needs to draftkings and it's extremely painful to try to do a group live edit. I was caught off guard by the introduction of these documents with you know again, without a discussion in our our last public meeting.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: and I've seen drafting of letters,. You know requested by the board,. You know, add a public board meeting and a you know, a call, a request for volunteers.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: to help draft that and- and typically that's been, you know it's the there,. We would try to point it out to people with a diversity of opinions.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:, you know, to take an initial stab at it,. You know again, that's that's done out of public board meeting and then it's brought back to the board meeting for public discussion,. You know the way these two documents came. About.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:, you know,, not knowing not being aware of them, are discussing the drafting of them.

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Osbt michelle estrella: publicly and advances just a little concerning, for me,. You know as a new board member and really like to understand how these happens. These things happen so we'd like to ask you know who who had a hand in drafting them and who had a hand in editing, them.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:, you know,, and I would just like to you know,, make a request that I'd like to see this.

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Osbt michelle estrella: I'd like to know about this stuff in advance.

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Osbt hal hallstein: yeah I'll open up by shedding a little light on that I'll start by repeating that this document was commissioned during a public meeting a public study session on the topic of cu south.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and so there's a lot of opportunity for you to go to review that meeting and you'll learn quite a bit more about the nexus of our next steps,, as discussed as a board. There.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, regarding the specific drafting of this document, karen has worked on it and I,, as in my role as chairperson have also reviewed. It.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. I agree with you that this is something that, at this stage does now probably need committee work. That would be my personal opinion, and we can. We can go through that piece of it here. Shortly.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. It is the prerogative of this board to allow the creative work of trustees to be floated up under matters from the board.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, and that is an opportunity which is equally open to all trustees and one which I encourage people to take advantage. Of.

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Osbt hal hallstein: it your core point of it is difficult to take the time of the public, and particularly costly.

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Osbt hal hallstein: to take the time of the staff to do work at this level of detail. I think it's really important that it starts with an individual trustee who takes projects upon themselves, which they care about to bubble up to the surface.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, so I hope that sort of encapsulates. During the study session, we made clear that we were a going to have at our next board meeting meeting a discussion. Of.

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Osbt hal hallstein: annexation related items which had nexus and interest in terms of environmental mitigation,, which we then carried out in the public. Setting and.

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Osbt hal hallstein: at that particular meeting,. We also engaged in the discussion of karen undertaking a review of the granite disposal,, seeing that as a template and bubbling that forward so.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, that's that's the specific nexus on the draft resolution for the south boulder creek flood flood mitigation,. You also mentioned the letter on eldorado draft bump.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and, to be honest,. The nexus of that document came about in the fact that there was not going to be any other opportunity, other than this public meeting.

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Osbt hal hallstein: to discuss that because the due date for comments on the bump is prior to our next board. Meeting.

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Osbt hal hallstein: that was done in consultation with dan, where we made clear that was a desire of the board to take up this issue. Look at it and due to the timing of the meeting,, the fact that staff needs to submit comments.

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Osbt hal hallstein: prior to our next board meeting,. This is the way that we decided to deal with it,, which is we bubble it up through matters from the board,, and here we are, in our public meeting, prepared to discuss it.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, hopefully that's helpful.

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Osbt hal hallstein: I I'll go ahead and say um I would encourage you to be prepared for more of it.

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Osbt hal hallstein: that this business this this sport does a lot of business, a lot of important items and it takes creative and productive work by trustees. I encourage you to volunteer, for these committees, help create these documents and to participate in that process.

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Osbt michelle estrella:, and I absolutely look forward to doing that. I just want to make sure that this is something that doesn't doesn't come as a surprise and.

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Osbt michelle estrella: to me, and that all of a sudden there's a very legal looking document that's put in here and I understand that your.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: the way that you summarize that how is that is a compilation and aggregation of previous motions,. I disagree with that slightly because it's not a verbatim aggregation of previous motions and.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:, I find many of the points to be significantly different to have that.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: again, that's a substance issue, and I really just wanted to address the process and to say that I should be prepared to be surprised,. Often by.

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Osbt michelle estrella: documents that are going to be signed, or you know very legal documents that have resolutions very legal, looking documents that have resolutions and baked into them.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: and again to be signed by presumably a board that I'm a member of is a you know, a little unsettling to me,. I look forward to participating this and being involved.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, I understand and relate to it,, but I just do want to be clear, as the current board. Chair.

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Osbt hal hallstein: that the 10 days of notice,, which comes with the board packet prior to this meeting,, which is sufficient for all matters from the department, will also be sufficient for all matters from the board. Karen you had some comments.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: yeah,. I just wanted to add one other thing from the study session in february before you were on the board, michelle obviously.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, we went over an initial draft of ideas to be in a resolution, with the full intent that there are that the board was discussing these items.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: as a initial bulleted list of of items that would be in a draft resolution,, so that level of discussion happened before you ever arrived on the board and and was in a fully public meeting on february. 24.

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Osbt- dave, kuntz: and michelle, I think your concerns are well founded, and, certainly,. I think we understand.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, I will say on the two that we're considering tonight there,. There have been extensive background processes that have led to them.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: three years for the eldorado canyon state park plan and probably almost 10 years for the south, boulder creek flood mitigation, project.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, so there's been an extensive background that has culminated in these particular drafts. The other thing is more procedural, and in that is, is what houses referred to,. I think this board has learned.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, you know by by.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: what this mistake in hired knacks that oftentimes, if there are,, if there is no motion, language.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: create created so that you know it speaks to whatever the issues are trying to craft that during a public meeting is extremely difficult and time consuming. So in the interest of trying to keep the conversation, focused, efficient and effective governance.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, I think, as how mentioned board members, take it upon themselves to offer up drafts for consideration and to focus the conversation.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: that doesn't mean that there's a need, your approval of whatever the draft. Is it simply that this is what you know some board member thought might move the conversation to where it needs to go,, and so I guess, is how mentioned.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:: this board has found that to be you, know, particularly effective, and there have been some.

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Osbt- dave, kuntz: good recent examples are the prairie dog management issue is certainly one that has taken alive this boards time and I think the board benefited from.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, you know all board members actually offering their contributions, as far as how to deal with certain elements of the issue and.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: what motion language was most effective. Similarly, on the elbow.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: visitor use, masterplan there were have been previous motions that the board has made that again underlie kind of where we're at at this point,. But the key thing now is that the annexation.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: at cu south. That process is going to be complete shortly and and possibly before, our next meeting in june,. And similarly as as how mentioned the the eldorado canyon state, park.

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Osbt- dave, kuntz:, visitor use, master plan comment deadline is, is may 25, so it was like well if this board is going to take any kind of make any kind of consideration or take any kind of action,. This is the meeting that it has to happen at and.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, some of us said: okay, well, we'll draft some things up,, so that we can have those on the table for consideration.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:, so don't get me right,. I am a huge proponent of efficiency and trying to get our our meeting shorter rather than longer. So I definitely appreciate that.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:, but because in april I we, you know, I didn't.

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Osbt michelle estrella: vote on the minutes, because I knew we had a revised the motions from march. I kind of thought those things were done so,. This is why it was a surprise to me because I thought oh well,, we just had a fresh batch of motions and then, when I and including the one just.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: have the light and noise one and then,. So I read those I was like okay,. Why not going to.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: vote on the amendment of those motions or the minutes, because I wasn't here so had a fresh look at those motions and then to see it reemerge. This month.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: and you know the same sort of items,, but in my opinion, written in a different way and a written in a heavier hand.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:, that was where I did. I felt surprise,, and I also thought surprise that the language was different when I didn't know that this was coming a week, ago, or wherever that, how he called me.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: that I was expecting something that was going to be a verbatim compilation of past motions and that's not what I interpret happened. Here.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: yeah the resolution language actually michelle. I think you know kind of springboard off the past motion. Foundation, and you know the motions were basically.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, here's what the board thinks.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: solution in my mind, is here's what the now here's, what the board expect. Here's how.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: things should be done. Or.

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osbt-, dave, kuntz: instead,. So it's it's it's using the language, and you know the recommendations and direction from past motions to say. Okay.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, here's here's how we think that you know, we should accomplish whatever you know. It is that we've identified, and so it's a little different than just kind of recapturing the language of the emotions,. It does go a step further and again it's it was offered in the spirit of.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, you know if we're moving to these decision points, let's make sure we know specifically kind of what needs to happen as part of you, know,. The overall positions.

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Osbt hal, hallstein: and and I'll just save, for my part,. I think that this is a good time, because we scheduled this for our meeting.

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Osbt hal hallstein: to productively take up some detailed discussion and make some headway on this discussing any parts of it that are giving anyone indigestion and talking about what next steps may be on it.

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Osbt hal hallstein: carolyn.

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Osbt caroline miller: yeah thank you, I think,, also um and and michelle. I know that you've served on boards,, so you might know this,, but just our charter language, for what a disposal is, is probably what led to this document, having.

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Osbt, caroline miller: such specific wording, so that was just all I wanted to say on that and then before we dive in how I didn't know, if you wanted a five minute break or you just want.,.

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Osbt, caroline miller: to claim, or whatever you think.

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Osbt hal hallstein: I'll defer to board members. Would people like a five minute break before we get a little technical or people seeking to push.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, I think a break would be nice, okay., great.

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Osbt hal hallstein: I'll tell you, have caroline and dave: we've got to all join them and say why don't we take a five minute break, which brings us back.

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Osbt hal hallstein: at 943 is that right.

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Osbt hal hallstein: great, thank you. Everyone.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: karen, it's so warm today. How is it you're wearing a scarf.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: and carolyn's wearing a turtleneck.

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osbt michelle estrella: caroline's right.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, I'm pretty cold blooded.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: so nice for the sun to come. Out.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: yeah, it was it. I can't tell you how glad I was to see it.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:. What is that thing in the sky.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, so bright. osbt, caroline miller:, I felt like. osbt, caroline miller: yesterday was so good,. I went for a drive up in the canyon to look at some of the project sites and you know snowing up there, and it was so nice. I like the cold.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, I have I'm where I'm sitting I'm close to my basement and I leave the door open. So I'd like to get the chill. So that's why I have the turtleneck on because I purposely enjoy freezing myself.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, caroline, you got to put yourself on video,, so we can see.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:. We can see your turtleneck. osbt, caroline miller: 943. Sorry, I was yes.

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Osbt hal hallstein: okay, everybody um during the break,. I had a thought about a great way to get us started,, and I would because we know that this is a draft,. I would like to invite john potter from the staff.

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Osbt hal hallstein: to begin with a few points of feedback that I have already personally received from him related to this document that I think will will touch on some points and concerns other people, have.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and will will in a nice way get a sort of beginning to digest and think about some of the specific content. John. Are you available to us yeah.

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John potter, osmp: sure how.

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Cob, dan burke: give john a 10 day notice, how.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: he's getting paid the big bucks.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. I spent enough time on the phone on this over the last week. I'm ready to hear someone else talk for a.

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John potter, osmp: so,, so this is not a matters from the board,, then or.

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Osbt hal hallstein: well, in all honesty,. If you'd like me to report what we discussed, I just felt that you as a staff member delivering that might reduce some of the complexity of conversation on these topics,, so that that's the goal here.

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John potter, osmp:: well I'm happy to to.

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John potter, osmp: touch on a.

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john potter, osmp: few things that we discussed how and if it's helpful for the other board members to hear some of the kind of initial.

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John potter, osmp: thoughts on on the resolution when, when staff side,- and you know the for the first thing, was sort of along the lines of some of the things that michelle was was bringing up.

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John potter, osmp: regarding the fact that, most that all of your other motions regarding this topic have come.

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John potter, osmp: with a public hearing,, where the public's had the chance to weigh in on what the board was deliberating on and the the board was able to use that feedback from the public to incorporate that into their thinking and their resolute resolutions. Today, on this on this topic.

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John potter, osmp: this, the second thing, maybe,, how was.

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John potter, osmp: just there, there are some some.

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John potter, osmp: language in this in this resolution that maybe maybe a little.

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John potter, osmp: premature at the level that it's at at the level of detail that it's at because we just don't have all of the available information that we need yet to you. Know, for instance, talk about how many acres might be affected.

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John potter, osmp: and you know how exactly the the project may lay out, which we would learn when the 30% design stage is kind of met..

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John potter, osmp: and then. john potter, osmp: maybe, finally, that sort of there,. There are some concepts in this in this resolution that that we haven't had chance to really understand fully yet and are problematic on the on the surface. Just looking at them, things like the escrow.

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John potter, osmp:, the escrow section and the.

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John potter, osmp:, the language around third party consultants, making decisions on.

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John potter, osmp: open space property that sort of thing,, so those were those were the things that that we discussed that I did I mentioned to you previously. I'm happy to.

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John potter, osmp: elaborate on those also lauren kilcoyne, is, is here too, and, and she can help on some of our concerns with with with some of the concepts in this in this resolution.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, that's great lauren! Let me come back to you in just a moment.

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Osbt hal hallstein: I'd like to start by saying to my co board members that I find john's each and every one of john's points,, credible and convincing,. It is my view that this does require a public hearing number one.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. It is also my view that particularly certain information is not yet available which could technically impact the document in important ways,, particularly information coming back from si dot, which has not yet been received.

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Osbt hal hallstein: last, but not least,, because this document was commissioned off of a model that was studied in the granite disposal. There was mention of escrow. Basically the concept of.

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Osbt hal hallstein: aligning funds for a project prior to making commitments for a project in when it. When it's the case of two unrelated parties,, we can refer to that as escrow,, but that is much more uncommon when done between a single party. In this case the municipality.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, so I also find that interesting and lauren I in a moment,. I want you to unpack that a little bit for us.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, I did speak.

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osbt hal hallstein: today, with the city attorney's office on a number of these topics.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, and they also generally agree on the concept of the public hearing being very important,. So I think that adds great credibility and also had some confusions about the functionality of escrow within the municipality.

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Osbt hal hallstein: there was discussion of whether appropriation, as opposed to escrow, would be a more appropriate approach with that lauren. Why don't you help people understand a little bit more of the difference between those two types of funding.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): yeah thanks and I'll, try not to belabor the point,, since I think both of you covered it pretty well but,, but the root of it, for me,. When I was reading this in the packet was around.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): the departments, being part of the same organization,, so we have the same bank, for example, and so using escrow as as a mechanism.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): would potentially slow down and make much more complicated the the exchange of any dollars through the project.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):. We also exchange funds with other departments very, very frequently- and I hinted at that earlier in the cips stuff so.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):. We have other methods available to us right now, through the atv there's a section on transfer and and transfer out of funds.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, we have interference, transfer, accounting entries and to your point, we've also used reserves and then use appropriation through the budget process to do that,, and so I think, there's other mechanisms available to us.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): when the time comes, and then the the the sort of secondary point. There is around our requirement to appropriate annually, and so some of this language.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, where we're talking about making commitments in the current year on allocations that don't exist yet, and we don't know when they might exist.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): would be problematic just in terms of how the city ordinances read around budgets,. So I think my initial, my initial reactions were like okay, there's there's a lot, that's in the legal space here that we would need further seo consultation in more detail to really understand.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): the right mechanism, and I would echo what both of you already said,, which is: let's not lock ourselves into anything, to specific right now,. If possible.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): around the restoration work like I talked about inter departmental mo use. Earlier,, I think that's an option when the time comes,, you could also incorporate into total project cost so.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, all of those would be more familiar to how the city operates, then, then that escrow concept.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): great.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, I'm I feel first I'd like to take people's temperature on each and all those items. Which, again I find credible, and that is.

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Osbt hal hallstein: to perhaps put this on a track for a public hearing at our next meeting, and to form a committee which will work closely with staff to address some of these technical issues.

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Osbt hal hallstein: in order to continue moving this document towards something that clearly encapsulates in a single, concise way. The prior motions of the board and the considerations that we have.

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Osbt hal hallstein: regarding this,, I do believe, one piece michelle you make a very good point. The concept of escrow is not a previously moved. Item.

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Osbt hal hallstein: however, the concept which is essentially that a piece of land containing threatened species is so valuable. We might not be willing to consider disposing of it without fiscal assurance that the project is fully funded and viable.

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Osbt hal hallstein: is a sensible one in is a reasonable one, and one that I believe,, perhaps most board members would agree. With.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. I appreciate you pointing that out. So maybe it's appropriate to sort of take people's temperature on that concept. There.

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Osbt hal hallstein: is it, does it does,, let me,? Let me pose the question another way. Does it does anyone think that it makes sense for us to entertain a disposal and giving up a piece of habitat with threatened species.

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Osbt hal hallstein: for a project that may have a project that will be costing 10s of millions of dollars,, which may or may not be fully funded..

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Osbt hal hallstein: another way of another wave and I'm saying is: would we do something different.

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Osbt hal hallstein: here,, because it's our own city, other than what we did with on the granite disposal with a separate party.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:- and I think some of our thinking is- is pretty simple in its this- that the open space fun should not be the repository or the funding entity for the project mitigation associated with.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: both the construction of a floodwall and restoration and mitigation of those impacts and so.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, you know if there are better ways of of doing that in the city financial realm,, then you know,. I think that that isn't a problem.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:. I think the issue for some of us is that we don't want the open space find to be the funding mechanism for dealing with project impacts,. We believe that the project should fund the impact mitigation work that open space will have to do.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: a backup just a little bit how because, in the purpose of this document,, because it does go to that question, about.

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Osbt michelle estrella:, like how serious we should I take this question about escrow or appropriation or allocation or mo you are in your company. Internal departmental transfers is like. Is this document intended to be hey, we're going to do we're going to ask for these.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: things and these this, and if we do these things,, we will dispose.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, so very good question, so very good question and.

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Osbt hal hallstein: I'll be honest,. I believe it sort of reads that way, and I think it's a reasonable feeling to feel that way, and also be very direct and saying for many years. I've been following this project and.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, making progress towards some decisiveness about this boards willingness, whether or not to dispose a parcel with threatened species will be required at some point,, and this is a step in that process.

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Cob, dan burke:, how I think I'll use this time to jump in on I've got a couple of additional.

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Cob, dan burke: either concerns or questions that weren't raised by my colleagues, and one of it's directly related to the fact that,. Whether or not there is the intention on karen the draft or of.

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Cob, dan burke: sort of having this be a precursor are related to disposal,. I think, taking a conservative view, one could.

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Cob, dan burke: view it as a stepping stone as part of a disposal decision. You've been no, it's not the decision,, and in that regards, I would highly recommend that we treat this.

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Cob, dan burke:, and to notify it and to provide a 10 day notice and follow 177. Even though that this isn't.

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Cob, dan burke:, I don't think, and I think karen would agree,. I don't think it's karen's intention that this is the disposal document,, but it could certainly be argued that this is.

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Cob, dan burke: in the chain of the disposal consideration and that that's such a not only should be a public hearing,, but we probably need to post it.

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Cob, dan burke: according to 177, and just do our due diligence to view it conservatively or take a conservative view that this could be viewed.

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Cob, dan burke: in the realm of making a disposal incision and let's just treat it everything going forward when it is in relation and make sure we're finally 177 to a tee. So I just wanted to use that opportunity to weigh in one point.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. I think that that's personally, I think it's a great point dan. I think there's what broad agreement on a public hearing,. I will explain.

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Osbt hal hallstein: a piece on this,, the the pacing of this,, which seems to come with some indigestion from others within the city,, the staff and not so much indigestion from the public and the citizens.

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Osbt hal hallstein: is that the decision to place annexation negotiations so far forward in time can be read by people as part of this process. As an attempt to railroad.

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Osbt hal hallstein: the open space department into a disposal without do deliberation,, and so it is the reason that this is being discussed on a concurrent track.

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Osbt hal, hallstein: and put forward is to address that problem and to be clear along the way sort of what what we're looking at in terms of environmental mitigation, that is important and to prevent ourselves from being railroaded. Into.

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Osbt hal hallstein: a decision that essentially is pre planned by other departments,, and so I think, you're very much right about the public hearing.

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Osbt hal, hallstein: and simultaneously, I I personally am unfazed by moving this process forward and communicating clearly to relevant parts of the city. What this board is thinking about this land ownership.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, so I think I think, there's agreement. There's a public hearing.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. I I believe everybody agrees on that. Does anyone not agree with that.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, so okay, we've got that agreed.

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Osbt hal hallstein: was there anything else,, then that you had.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, your muted dan.

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Cob, dan burke:- that was just a general comment unrelated to what is in the document and yeah I mean,. I do have some undefined surrounded that uh you know, once we.

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Cob, dan burke: once the board dives into the details,, I certainly will will chime in I mean yep, that's john alluded to it,. You know, there's we're referring to a sort of a five acre disposal and I just want to make sure.

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Cob, dan burke:, especially michelle, and maybe those who have not dealt with the disposal situation is, is that even from day one,, when we started to hear about five acres of impact.

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Cob, dan burke:: it's not the intention of the open space department to transfer out and dispose of five acres.

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Cob, dan burke:, we only want to dispose of the amount that will actually have the infrastructure underneath it that will sort of make that part of the property unusable from an open space. Perspective.

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Cob, dan burke: the remain acreage, the four acres, the vast majority of the acreage we want to retain as open space,. We do think that there's going to be.

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Cob, dan burke: damage to those lands,, but that the way that we would allow or enable use of that would be through a temporary construction or access agreement and not through a disk and not through our disposal..

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Cob, dan burke:, so it is not the intent of our staff to recommend that we dispose the five acres. Our recommendation is that we would only dispose of the lands that would be unusable for open space purposes, after the project, and right now we're estimating that to be point. Nine acres.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. That is also appreciated and much like the issue of escrow and additional forthcoming information from si.ai ai based on.

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Osbt hal hallstein: a few conversations. I think other people also agree that there are some technical ambiguities that remain to be ironed out in this document. Does anyone not agree that there are technical ambiguities, to be ironed, out.

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Osbt hal hallstein: so,, given that I think a good next step is for us to consider a formal board committee of two board members who can work alongside open space staff and the city attorney's office.

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Osbt hal hallstein: in order to expedite the correction of some of those technical issues.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. How do people feel about that.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, I'm I'm happy to help if it's better for someone else to do it. That's completely fine with me, too,, but I'm happy to help in any way.

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Osbt michelle estrella:, I would like to be part of that.

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Osbt hal hallstein: thank you,. Michelle sounds like we have two people supporting the idea of a committee dave and karen,. How do you feel about it.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: yeah. I think the idea is fine.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: yeah, I you know, I guess I'm not convinced that we're going to know the specific details.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, even you know, if we, we have a public hearing and at the june meeting,. So I think the spirit of the draft resolution was to.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: at least put a number in a place where a number has to be and and that number may not be the number that's in the draft,, but there there, there needs to be a number there at some point,, and so I'm not convinced we're going to.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: know what that number is if the june meeting either,, but the fact is, is that at some point, there has to be one.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: and I think that's the kind of the the essence of the the specific information in this in this draft resolution.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: timing is oh sorry.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, michelle I'd appreciate,, we are custom, is usually to me.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, karen, we haven't heard from you, yet.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: yeah, I'm regarding that the timing.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: because of the.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: annexation negotiations that that are proceeding, apace.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, it's my opinion. That.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, whatever osb t, has to say.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: get entered into that arena sooner rather than later,, and if we are to wait until next fall.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: to.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: provide staff and counsel with the conditions that we think, need to be satisfied before any formal disposal request is considered by osb it.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: then., osbt-karen hollweg:. By that time the city will have finished negotiations with see you and our views will have no bearing on those negotiations. That's my personal opinion regarding timing,, which is why, when we started discussing this in february.

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And osbt-karen hollweg: I have felt that it's important to to keep moving and to to.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: make a public statement and make it make our views known, so that staff and council is aware of the kinds of conditions that we feel are important.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: now,. If we were to do that before 30% design or any of these other decisions.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: then,, as dave just finished, saying. That means we're not going to have those details and.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, that's why,, at least in some places. It says something like no more than five acres and I don't find there.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: to be a disqualification way and those more general statements about amounts or include.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, knowing that that the process will narrow down the details of of exact amounts later on.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, I see a commonality dave and karen and your comments, and that is, many of these technical points are essentially non material and don't impact the value of the document. As a compendium of our resolved business to help.

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Osbt hal hallstein: be clear and prevent any accidents or misunderstandings as negotiation. Proceeds.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, yes., osbt-, dave kuntz:, that is true and michelle. I I'm channeling your concern,, so I actually drafted up some motion language that I I'd like to put on the table just to kind of keep moving this conversation along in. I don't know if leah is leah still still here kid. Can you put that up on the screen, leah.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, so what this motion is going to say is that we,, we think that.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: that we should put off considering this formally until the june 9 meeting, where public hearing can be held in further discussion and action by the board can occur.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: so that what we've done is say, look and we've, given the the message to whoever needs to hear it, and principally it's city staff who are negotiating the annexation agreement that we're moving ahead,. You know it's at some level, on.

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Osbt- dave, kuntz: emotion, that's giving some you know, recommendations and direction and we're intending to have that in somewhat final form by june 9. But in the meantime.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:. They are aware of here the things that we think we need to agree on,, so that there's some indication of what our expectation as a board what what those expectations are in the course of the conversation, and we keep coming back this annexation timing and.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, you know,. Originally the flood mitigation project was separate from any annexation consideration. Now that's combined and the annexation schedule seems to be driving the flood mitigation.

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Osbt- dave, kuntz: project,, and so I think it's just by necessity,, so we've got to deal with that. As we've been talking, about.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: pretty soon, almost as soon as we can.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, so anyway,. This is intended for us to at least.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: provide some indication.

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osbt- dave kuntz: to the public that here's, what we're going to do and here's when we're going to do it.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. I personally, I think, you're headed in the right direction, dave what what other people feel.

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Osbt hal hallstein: michelle.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: yes,, so I'm just curious from staff. Is that will the timing out well, what will that all work out and move it in the in house proposal of working as a committee, with staff, and then it vance having a another draft posted 10 days prior to the june 9? I'm understanding this.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: that we can redraft something and have it posted 10 days before the june 9 meeting is that is that humanly possible.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, I think it depends on on.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, how much you know about the issue before you go into the work.

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Cob, dan burke:- I think it in terms of, if you to be transparent,, if you're hoping to have sort of staff.

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Cob, dan burke: sort of support, or on this to me,, we need to separate the mechanisms versus what what the board wants,. I mean.

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Cob, dan burke:, a lot of my concern, is not so much some of the stuff that we've already heard loud and clear,, such as water rights,, the 119, the restoration.

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Cob, dan burke:: it's the level of detail of of the osb t's approval throughout the process of the next four years of what I would consider execution and management of direction.

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Cob, dan burke: and the insert and insert of the board's authority at certain points which seems odd and different than I've ever seen, it.

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Cob, dan burke: and also the mechanism of the financing and all those things that are unrelated annexation. Those are those are items of sort of how you would eventually execute.

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Cob, dan burke: on the ground,, the disposal actions. I think, if just a prick, I think if we can concentrate over the next two or three weeks, on.

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Cob, dan burke: those matters that are important to the board they're, going to be vital to your decision making on annex on disposal that have that link to annexation,, then I think we can get there, but.

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Cob, dan burke:, I I for one, would be very uncomfortable, saying yeah,. This is a staff document as well. If a lot of that detail, about.

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Cob, dan burke:, escrow and and and the elements and the timing of when the board gets to be the decision maker, rather than the department.

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Cob, dan burke: and the and the demand for 33rd party oversight, instead of somebody like don to meet, go saying you're good to go. There.

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Cob, dan burke:, that's where I'm most concerned,, so I think that's a fundamental thing of if the board wants to continue to drop the whole bunch of detail on sort of non annexation, related matters.

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Cob, dan burke: that,. I think that timing could be hard, because I don't know if we're going to get the staff there. If, if we want to concentrate this document on annexation related matters,, I think the timing could work.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, I'm a couple of just quick points on that. I'm curious I'd be curious, just at some point to understand, an inventory of authorities that you, you haven't previously perceived,, because I think stepping back.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, the history of the open space department, from the beginning,, is one of extreme citizen. Engagement.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and many, many periods of significant indigestion within the city apparatus,, and the reason that we serve as representatives of the citizens and an oversight. Capacity for the system is to help de politicize, certain decisions.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and in that sense,, because this is one of the largest decisions that has been brought before this board and many years.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. It seems to me to make perfect sense to have a citizen led effort thinking through this process, and I will attest, this document in and of itself..

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Osbt hal hallstein: goes far beyond my knowledge, karen's knowledge. Anybody else involved in it, and I think over time, people will find it so much more beautiful document that they currently feel that it is now.

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Osbt hal hallstein: the pieces about the third party oversight on dan. I also find credible and convincing in many ways, and especially layers of costs that that might create. I think, that's a really nice place for this committee to really do some discussion.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and talk through how how we may not see eye to eye on that and and come together,. I don't necessarily hold out hope that it will ever be considered a staff document.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and, and I just say that to be realistic.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, because the charter grants us have a special role on this and that role isn't to go along with the city. Machinery.

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Osbt hal hallstein: it's to decide what is best under the charter for this acreage,, which is the home to threatened species. And that's you know, that's gonna, that's going to make things uncomfortable at times for people who just want to see life go easily.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, and so I I don't hold out hope that we'll ever get to that perfect place,. But I do hold out hope that, by establishing a committee.

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Osbt hal hallstein: by working through some of these issues,, we can get to a significantly more harmonious place where the primary goal of signaling to all the decision makers, involved.

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Osbt hal hallstein: our view of the value of this property and the importance of doing the environmental mitigation at an absolute best practice standard is very important.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and that doesn't take away from the fact that you guys have made some excellent arguments about how we're actually not quite at best practice here,. And I think it's the view that we'd like to be.

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Osbt hal hallstein: yeah.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, I agree with you how about this being a citizen document for the reasons that you've stated.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, at the same time as it says, on page for.,.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: it makes clear that os mp, is to be the lead department within the city.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: in the work and I, while it's in my mind, well,, it needs to be a citizen document that in no way means that the citizens are going to take the work away from the smp staff.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: and if I were to be part of the subcommittee.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, I would want to hear and discuss with staff their views,, but I think, in the end,. This needs to be a citizen document.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: that's passed by the by the board. If it's to be passed.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: and I,, and I I've already said,, I think, they're going to be some unknowns that we have to.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: state in in the clearest way that we can,, knowing that the details are in the future, still but the time to make for the osb t to make these statements, is now not next ball..

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Osbt hal hallstein:. Thank you karen. I feel like we're getting down to two pieces of business for resolution. One is establishing a committee.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, which will liaise with the staff and the city attorney's office to start to iron out some of the technical imperfections.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. I also think that it would be wise for us to use a few minutes of this meeting to address any of michelle's concerns about what, in this document, doesn't.

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Osbt hal hallstein: represent consensus or resolve the business of this board. I think it's very important to the public and for this board that we get clear on that, because I tend to agree that this is primarily resolved. Business.

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Osbt hal hallstein: to people, others feel okay.

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Osbt hal hallstein: caroline.

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Osbt caroline miller: well,, since we've had like a moment to speak and everyone's had a moment to share. I don't know michelle if you now hearing some of that new information for you,. If you have anything else that you want to add.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:, um well, whatever what we like to add,, I I think some I haven't tried to get up to speed on all of these issues,. I got 18 pages that I was trying to digest this afternoon of past motions,. I certainly have more learning to do.

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Osbt michelle estrella:, but I think that's all part of the process. Karen to your point, I you know yeah, I'm not I'm! I haven't been involved in this issue for the last 10 years,, but I think that's also.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:, I think it's also an opportunity yeah. It's also an opportunity to to have somebody who hasn't been embedded in this and.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:, you know I'll show you that I am a quick study,, so I you know, I don't mean to be dragging things down, dragging you guys down and slower,, but I would like to be involved in in this process. Did I freeze? Did you guys.

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Osbt michelle estrella: just like offer, it was a the internet, um but yeah I mean I. I do think that there are some differences.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: read the noise and light being one of them when being make. You know, try to mitigate the noise and light impacts, and then this one saying there will be no impact, and so there,. Those are issues that I think are different.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, and just will you point to be specifically: I'm not seeing, where it says there will be no impact in the draft resolution.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: so go 123456 down.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: will not result in noise and light pollution. Impacts.

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Osbt michelle estrella: on the adjacent, oh s&p, land.,.

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Cob, dan burke: number. osbt, michelle estrella:, eight 8.2 point two yeah.

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Osbt michelle estrella: and I haven't had time to go and compare all of the language you know.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: that'd be a lot of work to try to redline this.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, that will be the level of specificity, we must go to with this,. So I appreciate you highlighting that.

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Osbt hal, hallstein: and john the latest is, is that we are in this traces back to the formal meeting we had on this topic.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, and actually I was the the voice of support for your position, michelle, which is we need specific lumens and decibels which have enforceability and john your underway on on. That is my understanding.

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John potter, osmp: and we've been exploring ways to to accomplish what we thought the board was directing us to do in march. Yep.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, so that feels very surmountable michelle. I think that we will eventually get get perfect to their.

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Osbt hal hallstein: airline.

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Osbt hal hallstein: I'm. osbt, caroline miller:, just in regards to the committee.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, I think it's really important for michelle's voice to be heard.

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Osbt caroline miller:, but I also am concerned about her getting caught up and the time commitment.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, everyone, that's on this board and staff knows how much time has been put into see yourself. How much time will continue to be put into see yourself how quickly things pop up out of nowhere,, and they are extremely time consuming,. We all know that so.

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Osbt caroline miller: michelle,- I just wanted to let you know, I'm happy to serve or not serve,, but it does concern me that.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, it will take you a long time to in many hours to get up to speed.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, and that that efficiency that I see you strive for.

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Osbt, caroline miller: just might not be able to be reachable, so I just wanted to make that observation. Known.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:. I appreciate that that you're, looking out for me, caroline, I mean it part of being on a board and having a board in general, is to have represent proper.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: representation of the community,, so you know our board. Members should represent our community,, which are going to be, by the way, working parents, people right now. I work two jobs, hopefully, that second job will be over by this week.

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Osbt michelle estrella:, but I mean that I appreciate that this is a an active and an activist for, but part of having representative government is to make sure that all voices are heard and that's all demographics, to.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:: it's not just the demographic of the people, who are definitely there's a lot of passionate people here,, but that it's the demographic who can sometimes be a silent majority because of sort of the machinery involved in the city. Process.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. I think I think that's very compelling michelle and your points about a well constructed committee represents divergent viewpoints and seeks middle ground really resonates with me.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. If it is your desire to serve on that committee, I'll ask others, it would it makes sense to people that we have michelle, be one of the committee members on this project.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and then appoint somebody else, who's much more comfortable with the document. Due to the time they've spent on this issue.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: in my mind,, the people who work on the document only bring a draft back to the board, and then there are further revisions from the boards,. So I I don't think I mean I don't need to be on the on the subcommittee. That's working on it,. I can work on it.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: after the board packet comes out and bring my version to the board meeting.

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Osbt hal hallstein: okay,, so I'm hearing you you're not attached to serving in the committee.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, that's that's! Fine, of course.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. I think people are going to discover, there's quite a bit less work here than then folks, think.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: well,. I think it's a big job. I mean having worked on it so far,. I know how many hours, I put in on it,, so I don't want to minimize the work.

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Osbt hal hallstein: well,. I agree with that karen, but I'm just saying you've covered a lot of ground.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, thus far, and so have I and this this document so.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, maybe another way for me to express this and and a way I've thought about. It.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. When we went to negotiate on the granite disposal,, it was clear that we had an arm's length transaction.

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Osbt hal hallstein: the problem with this transaction. It isn't an arm's length transaction. It's a related party, transaction and staff doesn't come to the meeting. Saying I'd like to disclose my conflict of interest on this transaction.

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Osbt hal hallstein:: it's our board's responsibility to recognize that there's a deep inherent conflict and to help parse our way through it.

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Osbt hal hallstein: this document. I think you will find really attempts to gracefully thread that needle.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and to help reproduce the same level of diligence that we have with arm's length transactions in terms of what we're going to do on an interest city, transaction.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, and I think that that that good faith on that's really shown that every single point that you brought john dan, I think I've been highly reasoned, extremely credible.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and actually don't stand in any way in in the face of the goals of the project,, and so I believe, a lot of work has been done and the next legs will go. Faster.

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Osbt hal hallstein: you know, michelle. I see you you're interested in serving on this committee,. I certainly have. How would you guys like to resolve the committee piece of this.

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Osbt hal hallstein: if. osbt- dave kuntz:. I think if karen will serve on it,. That would be good if michelle wants to serve on it. That's fine with me as well,, but I do think that karen is the voice of having drafted.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: this document that we ought to extend her her, the courtesy of participating in making sure that whatever comes before the board for final consideration.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:. She has shepherded that process throughout.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, so if you wanted to participate,, I think that's that's great.!.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, I agree with you,. I think that the access to staff as well, and just some being able to hear karen and her ideas that that that makes sense.

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Cob, dan burke: to. cob, dan burke: hell and.

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Cob, dan burke: just offer this. That john will be your point of contact from a staff perspective, so just to make it clear who you have sort of involved from a brain trust, standpoint.

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Osbt hal hallstein: yes,, and actually it will be janet from the city's attorney's office, who is going to assist us in this project as well.

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Osbt hal hallstein: lauren. I see your hand up.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, thanks and- and maybe this is just dan- do you want me to send you other notes, one of the things as I'm as I'm listening to citizen document and stuff, like that, I do the employment work.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): around the code of conduct,, and this is not a judgment at all about where this lives on the code of conduct. It's to say.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): as board members, you're subject to it and there's a lot of language in there. Around.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): the city's interest compared with personal interest,, and so this is just me flagging that for future conversation with janet that there's an element of you being considered.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): extensions of staff and some parts of the boulder revised code that that I think, needs to be looked at.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her): and then there's there's probably a couple other things here: on charter section, 175 of like administrative functions and provisions in the charter so again,. This is not me making a judgment. It's just like.

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Lauren kilcoyne (she/her):, I got a bell ringing in my head. Is I'm hearing citizen document that you're not always considered in that vein, so just to watch for that you know.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. What one of the great fortunes of being in this position is that so many very intelligent, boulder writes with vast experience, lend their knowledge to you.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and, if you're, if you're, if you're a good listener and willing to draw on it, it's remarkable what this this small town can provide.

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Osbt hal, hallstein: and and karen, if you'd like to serve,. I think it makes a lot of sense, but I heard you with a little bit of hesitancy and I've watched you do quite a bit of listening to members of the community.

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Osbt hal hallstein: in order to help us or arrive at, is really a mosaic, and if you're exhausted by it,, I understand, too,. So let us know what you're feeling is.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. I sense disappointment I.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, I almost feel like it would be better for for somebody else to take a stab at it and.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: for me, to.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: make amendments.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: after a new version, comes out.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, fair enough., osbt, hal hallstein:. I think that's reasonable dave. Is this something you're willing to do.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, I would be willing to do it,. I will offer up another suggestion and if caroline wants to serve on it, I'm fine with that as well.

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Osbt hal hallstein:- I also would be happy to be in this role,, but frankly, it always ends up a phone call at the last minute to me,- and you know I end up hearing about. What's going on,, no matter what so.

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Osbt hal hallstein: caroline, is this something you're interested in.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, I'm happy. osbt caroline miller:, to go ahead and do it.

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Osbt hal hallstein: great.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. I really appreciate your willingness to do that, so, unless there is any opposition,, we are going to set up caroline and michelle to to liaise with john potter as the lead contact on staff at smp and.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, with janet from the city's attorney's office to over the next month, start to see our way through some of the technical failings.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. I do personally feel that putting this document out there and the knowledge of the the core commitments which are resolved business have been well noticed, well, processed well.,.

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Osbt hal hallstein: considered are all in there.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. I get that it's uncomfortable because it's not a staff generated document, but in this case we're going to need to overcome that,. And so I appreciate everybody's patience with the tradition of citizen led work in the open space department of boulder colorado.

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Osbt hal hallstein: does anyone else have anything on that issue or specific items that they feel were have not been well enough or prior discussed or agreed by the open space board? Karen.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, I just want to clarify the process that I think you've outlined great. um I think what you've said is michelle and caroline are going to work on a revised draft.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: with john and janet.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: and create.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, a citizen documented document for osb t.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: that will be included in the next packet.

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Osbt hal hallstein: correct.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, with the intention of acting on it.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: at the june meeting.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, where I would say, with the possibility of acting on it, if we can get to a place where we have the votes, for.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, it I mean I,. My vote is not for it until certain of these issues are resolved to my satisfaction.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: as well if.

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osbt- dave kuntz:. I guess,. I want to keep on the table the motion that I offered it so that there is again if the board's desire is is such that.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, it indicates to the community, that we are moving ahead in this process,. I think that that would be very beneficial as an outcome of this meeting in preparation for the june meeting, so that you know the community understands that.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: we're further considering revising this this proposal, but we're we're still it's still under consideration, and there will be some. You know formal action,, presumably taken at some point.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:. I just think that it. osbt- dave kuntz: would be meritorious for this board to do as as a result of this conversation.

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Osbt hal hallstein: yes,. I think I think what is clear to everybody, at some point, this. This has to be decided business. It's been many years, we've been here talking about it and we're going to keep moving this incrementally down the road so.

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Osbt hal hallstein: john.

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John potter, osmp:, um I would just in helping helping us help the board.

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John potter, osmp:, I would,, I would ask if if there would be any interest in exploring the idea of doing a conditional disposal in june and having this resolution, be turned into something that has the conditions in it that or they met,, then we would just the property needed.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, if not go against all the unknowns that everyone's talking about.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: yeah I'm.

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John potter, osmp: and I would have. john potter, osmp:. It would have to be written in a way to capture those unknowns at the right level, with the right with enough.

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John potter, osmp: checks in it that it would be comfortable enough to a majority of the board.

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Osbt, caroline miller: and my vote,, for that would be no at the moment.

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Osbt hal, hallstein: and and john just I'm in. I think, if one does look close at this document, you'll see that we made great efforts to do those exact things. Here.

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Osbt hal hallstein:- I personally would need to learn more about what the difference between a conditional upload disposal and saying a disposal won't be considered until such conditions, met is. But I grant that there's probably something I don't understand there, as well as others to learn.

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Osbt hal hallstein: aaron.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:. I would like to second dave's motion.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and the second on the motion is to table this item for a public hearing.

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Osbt hal hallstein: at the june nine meeting so further and further discussion and action by osb. It can occur.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: that before we vote on that hell,, can we just look at the calendar, with the june 9 a date in mind,, because we have.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: to notice 10 days we'd have to post. Another draft like is that may 30? Is that right,? Am I doing them? Okay, so we'd have to come up with a new draft by and posted may 30.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: and just working looking, I'm looking at my calendar when to that's 1415 1617 days from now, no.

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Cob, dan burke: I'm putting it on. osbt michelle estrella: then,, while they holiday,. So I just want to make sure john that you're around and that's all possible.

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Cob, dan burke:, if I can confirm with leah to an order to do the posting, she probably needs to send the.

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Cob, dan burke:, we just need to notify, we don't actually have to post.

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Cob, dan burke: this document 10 days, we just have to provide a public notice that a public hearing is going to be conducted.

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Cob, dan burke:, so on the so leah on the end of the before the end of the day, on friday,, the 28th would just have to make sure that she got the posting notification out to satisfy that. But michelle I'm not. I don't think the actual document needs to be out at that time. To.

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Osbt, caroline miller: can we.

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Osbt michelle estrella: then,, that would be the normal june june 2 10 drain.

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Cob, dan burke: that that's right, yeah, it's and even that that is that's our customers,. We like to get things to you at least seven days ahead of time,, I think, actually in the parameters of the 2000.

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Cob, dan burke: sort of bored description,. I think we pledge to get things at least five days,, but our customary is to do it at least to do seven days.

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Cob, dan burke:, but are in this term, we just have to notify the public 10 days ahead, that we're going to be holding a a public hearing on a disposal related matter, so that the document need to be done by them..

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Osbt hal hallstein: girl and. osbt, caroline miller:, I'm just because this is such a.

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osbt, michelle estrella: big community, issue. osbt, caroline miller:. I would advocate,. I know that that is the standard,, but I would advocate to go above and beyond, and maybe post as soon as possible and then again at 10 days,, just to have as much community involvement as possible.

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Osbt, caroline miller:- I just want to make sure that everyone feels heard that everyone can get the memo that the community has time to speak with friends and.

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Osbt caroline miller: do what they need to do to section off their time to be able to be at the meeting, if they so choose and all of those things,, since the document doesn't have to be available at that time, that.

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Osbt hal hallstein: tour yeah to whatever extent we want to communicate widely about this taking place,. I do think it's a good moment for the public to pay attention because, because a lot of motions have been made and we're getting towards the end of that phase of this.

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John potter, osmp:, but not if it's not a conditional disposal, we're not at the end, how it will go on well into the later part of this year.

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Osbt hal, hallstein: and so,. So I think that that's an important thing that you discuss with the committee.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and we'll circle back on that and and what the exact wording difference is,. It seems to me that that pertain to maybe six sentences of the document and I'll be interested to see what what the other language might look like. Dave.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, you know, we've got a motion on the floor. That's been secondary. That I'd like to call the motion.

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Osbt hal hallstein: great.

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Osbt hal hallstein:: let's move to the vote, I'm going to call the role.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and we have.

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osbt hal hallstein:, moved by dave and second by karen. So I call caroline, how do you, how do you vote on this motion, yes.

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Osbt hal hallstein: michelle,, how do you vote.

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osbt, caroline miller:, yes., osbt, hal hallstein: and I also vote affirmatively, and so that is unanimous, business.

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Osbt hal hallstein: dave,. Thank you for that.

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osbt- dave kuntz: thank you., osbt, hal hallstein:. It seems like with that. We are then closed on that topic and ready to move to our next matter.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, and so here in my world of getting my feet under me in this new position of helping shepherd our agenda,, I find ourselves in an interesting position. Where.

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Osbt hal hallstein: essentially, a this comes back michelle of sort of like how did this happen,. I find myself with a letter in the packet which is addressed to cpw.

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Osbt hal hallstein: colorado parks and wildlife regarding their recent visitor usage management plan in eldorado state park, and the impetus was a desire by board members to communicate some thoughts regarding that plan.

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Osbt hal hallstein: in some way,, because the deadline for comments is before our next meeting,, and so let me just finish for a second, and so a letter was presented.

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Osbt hal hallstein: to be bubbled up for matters from the board for community consideration and then at some point, after discussion, even with dan and other staff members,. A point was raised that in the guiding principles of board and counsel interaction that it is.

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Osbt hal hallstein: it is,. It is a guiding principle that boards and commissions do not communicate directly on policy issues with international,, national statewide or county.

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Osbt hal hallstein: level government organizations and that the appropriate channel is actually to submit os bts comments as a recommendation to staff.

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Osbt hal hallstein: for them to then submit by the deadline before our next board meeting in their formal comments as open space and mountain parks to to cpw dan. Do you believe that I said that correctly.

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Cob, dan burke:, I believe, that's how I received their interpretation from janet yes.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, okay, and yes, so for clarity,, that is, from the city attorney's office, on a procedure and technical, technical, matter, and so, in order to expedite.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, the main goal,, which is to have some commentary on the vm plan and to have a public discussion and create and craft those comments. We've essentially taken the letter and we've redrafted it in the form of.

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Osbt hal hallstein: recommendation to staff for consideration in their official communication to cpw at such time as they do that, and I'd like to ask leah to please bring that up,. If possible, for the board to review.

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Osbt michelle estrella: oh, can I can I jump in here.

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osbt, michelle estrella:, because I, I am going to recuse myself from this discussion.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:, I started working with a nonprofit called access, one on april 1 and still doing my old job right now. So I'm working both jobs, but.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: and access fun protects. America is claiming.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: that they have not,, at least as far as I could.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: sort of in my research discern that had not making made any official comments on to cpw or to spt about.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: the.

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Osbt, michelle estrella:, the elder walker trail or any whatever the right terminology is. What's now, the the ump.

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Osbt michelle estrella:, but they may, and so considering. I still work and even though I'm not in the policy section, I do financing and business operations. I've decided to recuse myself from this subject.

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Osbt michelle estrella: well, and I didn't want you to go too far.

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Osbt hal hallstein: yes, no,. I appreciate it,. I just want you to know all the the history. It's greatly appreciated you having that self awareness and we thank you.

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Osbt hal hallstein: respect the decision.

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osbt michelle estrella: thank you.

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Osbt, michelle estrella: have a good evening.

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Osbt hal hallstein: great yes,. This is our final piece of business everyone. So if everyone else is okay with it.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. I think it's all right for michelle to review the video tape at some point later for interest.

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Cob, dan burke: x, michelle. osbt hal hallstein: thank you, michelle.

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Osbt hal hallstein: great,, so I think everybody had some time to look this over in the packet, and so I will open it up immediately to thoughts, questions and other considerations.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, maybe I could offer my own dave, go ahead.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: well,. You can go ahead, and, if you want,, but okay.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: yeah, I'm I'm going to make an observation after the end of this, but I certainly support this.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, I think the open space board- along, obviously,, the open space staff- has participated in this,. You know planning process for three years and the board.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, you know, has been participatory through staff updates and and reviews of documents and even requests from cpw for opportunities to comment,. So I think this.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: is warranted., osbt- dave kuntz:. My observation is- and I don't mean this- to throw a monkey wrench in in anything, but I don't see this as commenting on policy whatsoever. This.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, the the boards comments are basically on management issues as they relate to management issues. Similar management issues on adjacent open space and mountain parks lands in,. So it is far as any kind of policy.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: commentary.

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osbt- dave kuntz:. I don't agree with that interpretation at all,. Having said that,, I am fine with this process.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: and hope that we can move ahead forthrightly and and approved.

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Osbt hal hallstein: this language,. Yes, um let me comment back on that dave, um.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, the and actually I'll I'll, get to the core point where there was conjecture that there might be policy by giving my plain english overview of what I believe, the letter says.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and the letter in my mind, essentially expresses our empathy to other public lands and wildlife planners about the complexity and trade offs,, especially after.

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Osbt hal hallstein: and the upsurge in usage of our public lands about the difficulty of decision making processes in that.

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Osbt hal hallstein: in my opinion,. That's really the the large part of the first couple pieces of this and then.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. It also turns to a description of the extensive planning that we've done for our own trails in our own systems and the amount of public input that we've received on that..

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Osbt hal, hallstein: and essentially the the the part that could or could not be considered policy related, is the is essentially what what I read as in we may not have worded right and if there's anything, we have to look at it's this part, in my opinion.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, a piece that says we.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. We just hope that other adjacent public lands management organizations- in this case the state park.

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Osbt hal hallstein: respects that any changes to our own trail usage programs are a matter of this department and potentially a matter of this board and should not be any foregone conclusion, or assumption..

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Osbt hal hallstein:, whether that's policy or not,. I think, is quite debatable: and, frankly, the city attorney's office,, granted that it was debatable.

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Osbt hal hallstein: however,. I don't see any downside to redirecting our thoughts and input in this manner, and we certainly learned something new about some. Some elements of inter governmental, workings.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:. I agree wholeheartedly.

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Osbt hal hallstein: can.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: um before we.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: deal with this directly,. I have a question for dan that I'd like to gain some insights on and, and that is an.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: an explanation from your perspective, dan about why we would lease to the state park.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, I'm a trail.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, because I'm not aware of that that osm p has least trails to other agencies,, and so my question is.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, why would we do that.

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Cob, dan burke: why there hasn't been any direct convert. You know lease negotiations starting at all,. I suppose we could conjecture that.

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Cob, dan burke: that portion of the trail that the follower trail.

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Cob, dan burke:, where the other it's not a social trail,, is it post office trail with that comes up and then state trail is perhaps through through talks. One agency could make a compelling argument that, by having consistent, signage and consistent.

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Cob, dan burke: management approaches could be beneficial and so.

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Cob, dan burke:- I'm just conjecturing here karen, so I I could see an argument being made that perhaps on a section of trail to have it be consistently managed could be a compelling argument, and I think that.

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Cob, dan burke:, you know, and I.

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Cob, dan burke: so, by not taking it off the table, is probably a good thing. If, if there's compelling reasons why a conversation like that certain su.

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Cob, dan burke:, but there's nothing, there's nothing in the works about about that.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, but as as a process.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: would always mp least a trail to another agency,, a trail. That's on our lands.

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Cob,, steve armstead:, and maybe I can help out if you don't mind, because.

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cob,, steve armstead:. There is kind of that case with already with eldorado canyon, state park,, where we least part of the rattlesnake trail.

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Cob, steve armstead: to them, that does actually cross part of open space mountain park,, but because of the way that trail setup it starts within the state park. It made sense for a consistency of management.

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Cob, steve armstead:, given the type of access and use that occurred on that,, similarly to some of their other climbing access, trails.

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Cob, steve armstead:, that happened between kind of the juxtaposition of our property boundaries,. So it made sense from a consistency of management that we lease some of.

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Cob, steve armstead: the trails that would otherwise be managed by us to the state park, so that's kind of in this direct way or relative situation. Where, in the past, we've found that to be a mutually agreeable way to better create consistent management.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, and can you give me any idea about the length of these trails that you're describing.

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Cob,, steve armstead:, not off the top. My head, sorry, karen, I don't know, I couldn't give you this specific,, so I don't know cases available. She may be even closer to the details of that,, but certainly something we can find out, and we can share. I can share that with the care,. I can get you those details.

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Osbt hal hallstein: novelistic gulch, the total is 3.6. I just pulled it up to familiarize them that, but I don't know how much is least yeah it's.

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Cob,, steve armstead:, another example: there is where it may cross into piece of open space and then right back into the state park, and that may be the case with rattlesnake where, again,. You know you would be best not to have these. You know.

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Cob, steve armstead: changes and how a trails managed it right in the intermediate intervening segments betrayal.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, it's less than a mile that sign open space, rattlesnake welsh.

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Cob, steve armstead: yes, less than a mile.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: thank you.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: and there's no access. I think that's the other thing steve, there's no access, from.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: any other open space trail or or any jason open space it's.

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Cob, steve armstead:, strictly from the state park right, right.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: and it's an outback trail,, so it doesn't really connect with any other trail, either on open space or say parks.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: and I don't know steve, do you remember when that lease was done.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, you're muted.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:, you're muted.

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Cob, steve armstead: thank you,, sorry days., cob,, steve armstead: late, I gotta remember, do all the buttons here. I think it's a longer term lease like 10 years and I think we still have until like 2026 before it's up for renewal.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: thanks.

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Osbt hal hallstein: anybody else have any thoughts or questions here.

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Osbt hal hallstein: is as long as everyone believes that that interpretation, I have,, which is you know, we reserve the right to manage our own trails according to our own public outreach and internal processes, and that we have empathy for the complexity of these decisions,. I am comfortable with this and.

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Osbt hal hallstein: I'm a little less concerned about the leasing. I can imagine certain situations where it could make sense,, but I also feel strongly that this board and the department will do a great job of considering any of that at such time as it might arise.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:: how are you ready to entertain a motion.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. I certainly am.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:. I would like to make it.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:: I move that the open space board.

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Osbt- dave, kuntz: dap approve the language.

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Osbt- dave kuntz: in the following recommendations to staff, and it's review and comment on the outer rattle canyon state park, visitor use management, plan.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg: second.

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osbt hal hallstein: great before we go to vote,, I would just like to ask, dan. Does any part of this letter jump out at you as something that would be difficult to incorporate into your comments or challenging.

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Cob, dan burke: yeah. On be honest, I'm not part of the point, people that are working on our comments um,, so I think steve may be the closest involved. In that sub group.-.

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Cob, dan burke:, but we may have to just say we will certainly provide this to the group. That's formulating the the comments that will then sort of rise up to to myself to to look at and review.

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Cob, dan burke:, but I don't have any initial comments to see if it's consistent with what we're coming up with so far, not and.

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Cob mark davison:, then I was just gonna add we. We can just take a look and get back to the board of anything crops. Up once tends to property review.

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Osbt hal hallstein: great I I thought it was primarily an expression of compassion,, which tends to always be a good thing.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:. I've never heard as term that way.

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Osbt-Karen hollweg:, I caroline had a comment, a while back and I don't know whether.

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Osbt, caroline miller: yeah, I don't I don't know, since we've already made emotion, I don't feel like it. Was.

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Osbt, caroline miller:, I feel okay,, let it go.

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osbt hal hallstein: okay,, then why don't we run the role on this one, and we have.

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Osbt hal hallstein: dave with the emotion karen on the second, so caroline yes, and I also vote yes,. So this is not unanimous business,. We have michelle in recusal.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, on this, and for trustees in an affirmative vote is that goodly. Are we good there.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, wonderful, well,. I appreciate everybody sticking in later in the evening. I know it wasn't the easiest meeting we've ever had.

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Osbt hal hallstein:, maybe not the hardest, either so.

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Osbt hal hallstein:. I appreciate everybody's time and unless anyone has any objections,, I think we are prepared to adjourn.

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Osbt- dave kuntz:. Thank you very much, how you did a nice, job., cob,, dan burke:, good job, how., osbt, hal hallstein:, and thanks for staff, to.

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osbt, hal, hallstein: yeah. Thank you. Everybody who stuck with us and members of the public, especially have a great night.