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A
C
E
So
I
am
the
chair
and
I'm
welcoming
everybody
to
the
February
8th,
2023,
open
space,
Board
of
Trustees
meeting
and
I'm
now
going
to
call
the
roll
John
Carroll
present
Dave
Kuntz
president
Michelle
Estrella
I'm.
A
E
And
Caroline
Miller
is
on
her
way,
and
so
that
means
we
have
a
quorum
even
without
her.
He
gets
here
Brendan.
Would
you
go
through
the
rules
for
the
meeting?
Please.
B
All
right
can
everyone
see
that
and
am
I
on
the
right
thing,
all
right
great,
so
thank
you
for
those
of
you.
Who've
joined
us
online
to
participate
in
tonight's
meeting.
We
do
like
to
share
these
at
all
of
our
public
meetings.
We
know
some
of
you
may
have
seen
them
many
times,
and
so
we
appreciate
your
patience
while
we
go
through
them
tonight.
B
For
those
who
might
be
less
familiar,
we'd
like
to
share
that
the
city
has
engaged
with
community
members
to
co-create
a
vision
for
productive,
meaningful
and
inclusive
Civic
conversations.
This
Vision
supports
both
the
physical
and
emotional
safety
of
community
members
staff
and
boarding.
Commission
members-
sorry
this
one
says
Council,
as
well
as
supporting
democracy
for
people
of
all
ages,
identities,
lived
experiences
and
political
perspectives
for
more
information
about
this
vision
and
the
community
engagement
processes
that
led
to
it.
B
The
following
are
examples
of
rules
of
decorum
found
in
the
boulder
Revised,
Code
and
other
guidelines
that
support
this
Vision.
These
will
be
upheld
during
this
meeting
and
again
I
apologize.
I
pulled
up
my
Council
version
instead
of
my
board
version,
but
I
will
say
it
correctly.
I
promise
all
remarks
and
testimony
shall
be
limited
to
matters
related
to
City
business.
B
No
participants
shall
make
threats
or
use
other
forms
of
intimidation
against
any
other
person,
obscenity,
racial
epithets
and
other
speech
and
behavior
that
disrupts
or
otherwise
impedes
the
ability
of
the
meeting
to
continue
are
prohibited
and
participants
are
required
to
sign
up
to
speak
or
to
erase
their
hand,
and
we
ask
that
you
use
the
name
that
you're
commonly
known
by.
We
do
need
to
see
that
name
displayed
online.
So
if
you
plan
to
speak
tonight
and
think
your
name
might
not
be
displayed
correctly,
let
me
know
and
I'm
happy
to
change
that
for
you.
B
J
You
may
just
want
to
change
the
year.
You
may
just
want
to
change
the
year
on
that
page.
E
Under
under
public
participation,
I
went
back
and
looked
at
my
notes
and
I,
don't
think
the
speakers
under
public
participation
spoke
about
CU,
South
I
think
they
spoke
about
environmental
mitigation
and
flood
plain
restoration
at
the
South
Boulder
Creek
site.
E
There
were
a
couple
of
things
that
I
noted
as
I
went
through
my
notes
on
line
three
concern
for
the
overuse
of
Southern
grasslands
receiving
sites.
E
Maybe
overuse
is
not
the
right
word,
but
degradation
of
the
vegetation.
Or
what
can
we
say
about
that
potential
impacts?
Oh
good
potential
impacts.
E
On
the
southern
grasslands
receiving
sites
and
then
continuing
on
that
line
and
the
possibility
of
using
other
receiving
sites,
as
we
talked
about
rocket
flats
and
the
use
of
a
receiving
site
down
in
Pueblo
and
somewhere
else,.
E
And
then,
but
next
to
the
last
line,
suggestions.
E
And
and
then
on
that
the
next
paragraph
that
begins
with
Joe
Taylor's
name
on
the
third
line.
After
the
word
resolutions,
I
wanted
to
insert
groundwater
flow
prior
to,
during
and
after
construction
of
the
flight
time.
E
And
in
the
next
line,
soil
and
source
of
seed
and
plant
materials,
foreign.
E
So
those
are
the
only
suggestions
that
I
have
Caroline.
Did
you
have
any
suggestions
for
the
minutes?
I.
L
Do
not,
and
my
apologies
to
everyone
for
being
late
I
was
at
the
wrong
building.
We're.
I
Karen
I
I
think
those
are
all
good
suggestions
that
I
would
like
to
make
a
friendly
addition.
Okay
to
the
speakers
and
a
public
comment,
I
I
think
we
ought
to
be
sure
and
I
think
your
suggestion
was
a
good
one,
but
we
ought
to
put
it
in
the
context
of
the
South
Boulder
Creek
flood
mitigation
proposed
project,
so
people
are
people
know
that
that
was
that.
M
F
E
You
thank
you.
Oh
and
oh.
We
have
to
do
a
Voice
vote
right.
Yes,
please,
okay,
let
me
call
the
members
of
the
board
and
we'll
hear
whether
you're
in
favor
or
not
John,
yes,
Michelle,
yes,
Dave,
yes,
Caroline,
yes
and
I
support
the
motion
two,
so
it's
approved
unanimously.
E
At
this
on
this
meeting's
agenda,
there
are
no
opportunities
for
public
comment
during
the
meeting,
so
this
period
of
time
for
public
comment
is
the
only
opportunity
for
the
public
to
speak
to
the
board
this
evening,
and
so,
given
that
we're
in
the
public
comment
period,
I
think
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Brenda.
Is
that
right.
B
Think
that's
correct.
I
am
ready
to
go
so
we
do
have
some
folks
who
have
signed
up
in
advance.
So
we'll
start
with
those
folks,
but
we
encourage
anyone
else
who
is
in
attendance
this
evening.
Who
would
like
to
speak
to
use
your
raise
hand
button
to
indicate
that
you
would
like
to
participate
so
your
raised
hand
button
can
be
found
at
the
bottom
of
your
screen
and
you
are
welcome
to
click
that
button
at
any
time
to
let
us
know
you'd
like
to
speak.
If
I
don't
see
your
full
name
displayed.
B
I
will
reach
out
to
you
before
it's
your
turn
to
ask
for
that
name
and
I'll.
Get
that
changed
for
you.
So
what
you're
going
to
see
we're
going
to
do
some
technology
Wizardry
for
the
timer?
So
what
you're
going
to
see?
Is
this
and
but
you'll
still
hear
my
voice
because
I
will
let
you
know
who
the
next
speakers
are
and
then
I'll
turn
on
the
timer
in
my
box?
So
you
can
see
it
a
little
further
now.
So
it's
a
beautiful
Lake
landscape
in
Boulder.
B
Now
it
will
be
our
timer
very
shortly.
We'll
start
with
Lawrence
McDonald,
followed
by
Paula
Schuler,
followed
by
Elizabeth
black,
so
Lawrence
I
will
enable
your
microphone
and,
as
you
begin
to
speak,
I
will
start
the
timer.
B
C
And
actually
can
Elizabeth
follow
me
because
our
talks
go
together
is.
B
C
Thank
you
good
evening.
My
name
is
Paula.
Schuler
and
I
spoke
to
you
in
January,
encouraging
osmp
to
bring
prairie
dog
Management
on
irrigated
lands
in-house
and
purchase
a
couple
of
perk
machines.
Elizabeth
black
and
I
are
here
tonight
to
continue
that
conversation.
Following
the
January
osbt
meeting
I
attended,
Boulder
County's
annual
prairie
dog
meeting.
The
County's
year-end
report
clearly
showed
how
much
the
county
is
accomplishing,
as
well
as
the
cost
savings
they
realize,
because
they
own
their
own
perk
equipment
and
higher
seasonal
Crews.
The
county
gets
much
more
done
for
a
lot
less
money.
C
Osmp
is
in
the
process
of
investigating
and
assessing
in-house
management
options
and
Equipment
purchases.
We
strongly
encourage
open
space
to
continue
that
Quest
and
take
action
before
budgets
are
finalized.
Osmp
has
cited
contractor
issues
and
barrier
costs
as
reasons
why
more
acres
per
year
are
not
being
managed.
Purchasing,
perk
machines
and
hiring
seasonal
Crews
would
allow
osmp
to
manage
more
acres
per
year
control
their
own
removal
schedule
by
not
relying
on
contractor
availability
and
save
substantial
funds
that
could
be
used
for
other
projects.
C
These
Crews
can
also
build
chicken
wire
barriers
for
even
more
cost
savings
and
efficiency.
This
can
make
a
big
difference.
It's
time
to
take
the
next
step
following
the
city
annual
prairie
dog
meeting
in
December
osmp
said.
One
major
con
of
buying
perk
machines
is
that
we
would
need
to
make
significant
investments
in
equipment
that
may
not
be
needed
long-term
as
lethal
control
efforts
will
likely
only
be
required
for
follow-up
control.
Purchasing
equipment
does
have
an
initial
investment,
but
the
investment
is
truly
not
that
significant
two
machines
can
easily
pay
for
themselves.
C
In
the
first
year,
668
irrigated
Acres,
with
prairie
dog
conflicts,
still
remain
in
the
project
area
and
on
top
of
that,
six
or
more
irrigated
Parcels
outside
the
project
area
need
management.
It
is
our
hope
that
all
irrigated
Parcels
in
the
project
area
will
be
completed
in
the
next
few
years
and
that
osmp
can
then
move
to
clearing
other
Parcels
with
prairie
dog
occupation.
Osmp
will
always
be
able
to
utilize
these
machines
in
some
capacity,
even
well
after
they
have
paid
for
themselves.
This
is
a
management
strategy
worth
investing
in
throughout
the
project
area
restored.
C
Irrigated
Parcels,
where
prairie
dogs
have
been
removed,
are
showing
both
visible
and
measurable
positive
results
with
all
the
recent
moisture.
This
spring
this
spring
should
reveal
even
more
progress.
This
is
exciting.
We
encourage
osmp
to
keep
up
all
the
good
work,
but
ask
them
to
purchase
equipment,
so
the
project
area
can
be
completed
in
a
more
timely,
efficient
and
cost-effective
manner.
Thank
you.
C
B
Was
exactly
on
time
Paula,
so
thank
you,
I
apologize
that
you
couldn't
see
that
and
next
we
will
have
Elizabeth
black.
Oh
sorry,
I
have
a
few
new
buttons
tonight,
so
there
might
be
some
interesting
gymnastics
on
the
screen.
Elizabeth.
We
will
enable
your
microphone
as
you
begin.
I'll
start
the
timer.
O
It's
black:
can
you
hear
me,
along
with
Paula
Schuler
I,
ask
open
space
to
buy
a
couple
perk
machines
and
hire
an
in-house
crew
to
realize
significant
Savings
in
your
prairie
dog
management?
Several
folks
have
told
me
how
frustrated
they
were
that
lots
of
other
community
needs
were
getting
shorted
when
I
told
them
how
much
was
spent
on
prairie
dogs,
I
hope
you
had
a
chance
to
look
at
the
spreadsheet
I
sent
you
comparing
osmps
and
the
County's
prairie
dog
management.
There
are
four
big
takeaways
from
my
cost
comparison.
O
First,
the
county
was
able
to
accomplish
two
and
a
half
times
the
work
for
half
the
price
by
using
in-house
seasonal
crew,
rather
than
private
contractors.
Using
a
perk
crew
also
lowered
their
costs
for
Barrier
installation,
SPV
vaccination,
Delta,
dusting
mapping
and
land
restoration.
The
County's
perk
crew
does
a
whole
lot
more
than
perk
and
cuts
lots
of
other
costs.
Osmp
could
do
something
similar.
O
O
The
county,
on
the
other
hand,
builds
barriers
only
when
active
colonies
are
on
the
other
side
of
the
fence
and
has
more
of
a
clear,
protect
the
most
vulnerable
reach
and
then
tidy
up
later
strategy.
I,
don't
know
which
strategy
is
more
effective,
but
I
know
which
one
is
more
expensive
about.
Half
of
osmp's
cleared
properties
now
have
incursions
coming
through
Gates
and
burrowing
under
the
wire
mesh,
Paul
and
I
believe
that
barriers
can
never
provide
forever
protection.
O
Rather,
barriers
can
slow
down
recolonization,
especially
if
incursions
are
dealt
with
immediately,
but
barriers
also
require
constant
maintenance.
The
third
takeaway
is
that
tenants
and
neighbors
are
valuable.
Partners
in
decreasing
overall
costs
the
county
Works
closely
with
neighbors
and
tenants,
loaning
tenants,
perk
machines
and
rodent
control,
cartridges,
reimbursing
them
for
real
restoration
work
and
sharing
barrier
construction
with
neighbors
osmp,
on
the
other
hand,
does
not
share
control
efforts
with
tenants
and
does
not
partner
with
neighbors.
O
Finally,
there
are
opportunity
costs
to
other
City
programs
from
costly
management.
Budgets
are
finite,
even
for
a
rich
city-like
Boulder
and
a
rich
Department
like
open
space.
Saving
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
could
beef
up
Trail
maintenance
or
double
the
junior
Ranger
program
or
Aid
in
Wildfire
mitigation.
O
C
P
Work
all
right,
good
work,
good.
Well,
my
name
is
Larry
McDonald
I
live
in
2160
Linden
Avenue
in
North
Boulder
long
ago,
I
was
a
member
of
the
open
space
Board
of
Trustees.
It
was
a
really
terrific
experience,
but
I
also
know
that
it's
a
lot
of
work
and
I
appreciate
all
the
effort
you
all
put
into
doing
what
you
can
to
help
a
program.
P
A
very
important
program
for
all
of
us,
I
am
speaking
to
you
tonight,
because
I
I
was
made
aware
of
the
fact
that
the
city
has
proposed
to
alter
our
Charter
using
an
ordinance
to
address
the
the
meaning
of
passive
recreation
in
the
context
of
ee,
bikes
and
I
was
concerned,
because
the
charter
in,
in
my
view
and
I,
think
the
view
of
many
most
all
of
us
is
such
a
fundamental
part
of
our
open
space
program.
P
P
P
I
cannot
reconcile
the
idea
that
we
could
Define
passive
Recreation
as
including
e-bikes
and
whatever
one
thinks
of
the
wisdom
of
of
e-bikes.
It
seems
to
me
very
clear
that
it
is
essential
that
this
question,
whether
we
want
to
change
the
charter
and
redefine
what
are
acceptable
uses
of
open
space,
to
include
e-bikes,
that
that
can
and
should
be
done
by
a
vote
of
the
people
thanks
very
much.
B
Larry,
thank
you
and
next
we
will
have
Sandra
sorry,
Sandra
Larson
I
apologize
if
I
pronounce
your
last
name
incorrectly.
Once
you
begin,
Sandra
I
will
start
the
timer
for
you.
Thank.
B
B
N
N
Rather,
a
lot
of
existing
rules
must
be
changed
to
allow
e-bikes
for
motorized
Recreation
on
osmp
Trails.
As
the
previous
speaker
noted.
That
suggests
this
change
is
not
really
very
compatible
with
the
open
space
Charter
two
of
the
proposed
Trails
serve
as
good
examples
of
where
e-bikes
are
not
compatible
with
definitions
of
passive
Recreation
as
previously
interpreted
one
example.
Is
the
white
rocks
Trail
the
map
in
your
packet
shows
just
how
narrow
it
is
right.
Now
it's
also
rather
soggy
due
to
the
new
Resident
beaver.
N
It
has
a
lot
of
hard
right
turns
or
hard
right
angle
turns
with
fences
that
limit
where
pedestrians
can
step
off.
The
trail
or
cyclists
can
swing
wide.
A
friend
of
mine,
who
has
had
two
hips
replaced
likes
to
walk
at
white
rocks
because
it
has
no
dogs.
She
worries
that
a
dog
will
jump
on
her
and
cause
a
disabling
fall,
so
she
chooses
that
trail.
N
Cyclists
traveling
on
heavy
bikes
at
higher
speeds
will
make
this
Trail
more
dangerous
for
her
another
place
where
I
oppose
e-bikes
is
South
Boulder
Creek
Trail
between
Marshall
Road
and
South
Boulder
Road
this
another
dog-free
Trail,
is
ideal
for
pedestrians
who
move
slowly
after
an
illness.
I
walked
here
to
regain
my
strength
and
balance.
Some
preschools
bring
groups
of
young
children
to
this
Trail
to
safely
observe
and
learn
from
nature.
N
B
Thank
you,
Sandra,
and
our
next
speaker
is
Richard.
Harris
and
I
do
see
a
speaker
with
his
hand
up
with
just
a
first
name
so
Brad.
If
you
could
send
me
your
last
name
in
The
Q,
a
box
that
would
be
great
I
can
get
that
change
before
it's
your
turn
to
speak.
In
the
meantime,
we
will
have
whoop
I
lost
Richard
Harris
hold
on
hold
on
just
one
moment.
Please
I
meant
to
unmute
Richard
Harris
I
apologize.
B
My
buttons
are
trickier
tonight,
so
we'll
have
Richard
Harris
first
and
then
we'll
have
Brad.
M
Can
you
hear
me
we
can?
Oh
I
can't
believe
it,
but
I'm
grateful
so
I'm
speaking
for
playing
Boulder
County
plan
Boulder
strongly
objects
to
the
characterization
of
the
use
of
e-bikes
on
open
space
has
passive
Recreation.
Anything
with
a
motor
is
motorized
and
by
the
open
space
Charter
and
it's
supporting
documents,
not
passive
Recreation.
Changing
the
agreements
around.
What
is
passive.
Recreation
cannot
be
done
as
I
heard
before
by
City
staff
or
a
city
ordinance.
This
requires
a
change
to
the
open
space
Charter
by
a
vote
of
the
citizens.
M
Osmp
proposals
do
not
include
Transportation.
E-Bikes
should
only
be
allowed
where
specifically
designated
to
enable
access
to
Regional
Trails
built
by
multiple
government
jurisdictions.
These
trails
should
meet
certain
criteria
and
we
recommend
the
following
careful
definition
of
what
constitutes
a
qualifying.
Regional
Trail
is
developed
not
yet,
and
only
a
trail
that
fits
that
just
definition
be
considered
for
bike
use.
Second
bullet
that
Trails
fit
the
above
definition
for
e-bike
use
be
designated
in
the
open
space
master
plan,
as
the
only
Trails
appropriate
for
e-bike
use.
Karen.
The
whole
wig
has
copies
of
my
notes.
Q
M
Oh
definition
be
closed
through
use
by
e-bikes
form
of
intergovernmental
agreement
be
created
to
control
the
use
to
cross
multiple
jurisdictions.
M
Such
igas
include
management,
details
and
enforcement,
and,
finally,
that
design
specifications
for
regional
Trails
be
used
by
e-bikes
to
be
used
by
e-bikes
be
created
that
allow
multi-use
of
the
trails
by
all
allowed
users,
including
pedestrians,
horseback,
Riders,
etc,
etc.
Osbt
should
not
recommend
disposal
of
osmp
trails
to
allow
e-bikes
delegating
or
repealing
ordinance
7525.
The
ordinance
was
passed
the
last
time
there
was
a
community
conflict
over
prohibition
of
e-bikes.
It
has
served
to
clarify
the
restrictions
plan.
M
Boulder
has
spent
many
years
following
the
issues
related
to
our
open
space
program
and
advocating
for
its
preservation
and
enhancement
about
85
percent
of
open
space
users
are
pedestrians,
however,
trails
that
allow
bikes
of
whatever
kind,
greatly
reduce
pedestrian
use.
This
will
only
be
worse
with
e-bikes.
This
is
the
ultimate
slippery
slope
of
the
evolution
of
the
purpose
of
open
space.
M
J
Karen,
can
you
please
distribute
the
Richard's
document
electronically.
J
Richard,
would
you
mind
emailing
that
to
our
board,
if
you
have
a
when
you
have
a
chance.
B
B
Thank
you
all
right,
we'll
chat
the
the
email
address
to
you.
Richard.
B
All
right,
moving
to
our
next
speaker,
Brad
Fountain,
also
I,
realize
we
have
some
folks.
Who've
joined
us
by
phone,
and
if
you
would
like
to
speak
and
you're
on
the
phone,
you
can
press
star
nine
to
raise
your
hand
because
you
don't
have
a
raise
hand
button.
So
your
raise
hand
button
looks
like
Star
nine.
In
the
meantime,
Brad
Fountain,
please
Brad
once
you
speak,
I
will
start
the
timer
before.
B
B
Is
the
last
hand
that
I
see
up
Karen,
so
I
will
look
to
you
to
see
if
we
would
how
we
would
like
to
give
Brad
a
chance
to
speak
since
unmute.
B
I'm
not
sure
I
I,
don't
have
a
way
to
know
that
and
maybe
that
he
stepped
away.
B
All
right:
well,
we
do
have
Bob
and
Dorothy
who
are
not
showing
their
last
name,
but
we'll
ask
them
to
start
with
their
last
name
as
they
speak
and
we'll
go
to
Bob
and
Dorothy,
and
then
we
will
try
Brad
one
more
time
so
Bob
and
Dorothy.
Please
share
your
full
names.
Once
I
unmute,
you
please,
you
should
be
able
to
unmute
now,
okay,.
B
R
This
is
Bob
Worley
Dorothy's,
not
here
we
are
e-bikers
I'm
in
my
70s,
we're
both
in
our
70s
and
have
I
have
some
health
limitations.
I
love,
e-biking
I
live
right
on
a
trail,
that's
supposed
to
be
closed
to
e-bikes
Cottontail
Trail
from
it
runs
from
Lookout
down.
R
On
where
75th
is
and
I've
I've
lived
here
for
30
years
plus
and
that
trail,
the
the
normal
bikes
go
just
as
fast
as
e-bikes
and
I,
don't
see,
I,
don't
see
the
reason
in
the
first
place,
the
class
one
or
two
e-bikes
do
any
more
damage
to
Trails
or
or
a
bigger
safety
threat
than
regular
bicycles.
F
R
Rate
I,
don't
I,
don't
feel
like
closing
off
the
trails,
especially
when
Lincoln
like
it
is
in
my
backyard,
is
a
benefit
to
anybody.
F
E
B
B
S
For
being
patient,
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
a
couple
of
the
commenters
within
the
last
half
hour
have
referred
to
e-bikes
as
motorized
vehicles.
I
think
we
all
know
that
they
are
not
classified
as
motorized
vehicles
at
all
they're
classified
as
bicycles.
M
S
Fast
and
faster
than
regular
bikes.
The
fact
is
that
the
class
of
e-bikes
that
are
being
considered
for
additional
Open
Space
Trail
access
are
quite
honestly
no
faster
than
traditional
bicycles
and
mountain
bikes.
Are
my
wife
and
I
rely
on
mountain
biking
on
our
e-bikes
and
riding
pave
Trails
as
well,
is
our
primary
source
of
exercise
and
activity
and,
unfortunately,
we
feel
fairly
restricted
in
Boulder
County,
in
terms
of
where
we
can
ride
our
bikes
illegally
and
obey
regulations.
S
B
With
that
I
think
that
is
our
last
hand.
I
see
up
so
I'll.
Just
give
a
long
moment.
Oh
Richard
Harris's
hand
is
back
up
and
went
back
down.
We
can't
allow
folks
to
speak
twice,
so
apologies
for
that
Mr
Harris,
but
each
each
Community
member
gets
one
three-minute
Speaking
period.
If
you
have
further
comments,
you
can
email
them
to
the
board.
E
H
Just
the
fact
that
what
we
reiterated
last
month
was
the
fact
that
our
staff
is
going
to
go
through
a
pretty
thorough
and
comprehensive
assessment.
It's
already
underway
about
the
couple
of
years
that
are
under
our
belt,
with
implementing
the
preferred
alternative
approach,
and
certainly
the
issues
that
Paula
and
Elizabeth
have
raised
about
options
of
bringing
more
things
into
house
equipment.
H
That
sort
of
thing
is,
is
part
of
that
assessment
and
we'll
be
back
to
the
board
later
this
spring,
probably
late
spring,
to
provide
more
details
of
what
what
our
assessment
is,
screening
and
learning
and
any
changes
that
we
would
probably
make
to
would
like
to
make
to
the
management
approach.
Foreign.
E
Looks
like
there
could
be
some
promising
savings
that.
E
Any
other
comments
about
public
comments.
E
Okay,
then,
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
questions
or
comments
about
the
written
information
memos
that
are
part
of
the
board
packet.
E
J
I
know
we're
going
to
get
more
information,
I
think
in
April
on
Camp.
You
should
talk
about
access
management
program,
but
I'm
wondering
if
you
all
have
any
sense
for
whether
a
price
increase
would
be
considered
or
is
that
a
price
increase
considered
in
a
different
process
other
than
the
cam
process.
I.
H
Don't
have
that
level
of
detail
I'm
wondering
if
Francis
is
on
Francis
bouldings
are
representative
in
that
effort.
Pricing
wouldn't
be
probably
something
that
the
OS
P
reps
would
be
leading
the
the
upper
down.
We
would
probably
be
part
of
that
discussion,
but
I.
H
B
G
If,
if
Francis
isn't
available,
I
I
participated
in
a
meeting
today
with
the
camp
team
with
Francis,
the
the
strategies
are
still
being
developed,
I
think
in
terms
of
what
will
come
next.
I,
don't
know
the
pricing,
so
I
don't
know
if
it's
250.,
but
I
think
that
the
price
increase
might
be
something
to
consider
and
it
is
being
led
by
transportation
and
Mobility
team.
G
So
one
of
the
first
one
of
the
next
steps
will
be
engagement
with
stakeholders
to
better
understand
what
what
the
input
is
regarding
things
like
pricing
indexes
and
how
the
program
has
worked.
E
G
Q
F
Q
Q
J
F
J
So
you
all
could
hear
my
initial
question
and,
and
then
I
I
can
wait
until
April
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
had
a
heads
up
on
whether
a
price
increases
going
may
be
considered,
but
it
sounds
like
it
anything's
a
possibility
and
we'll
find
out
more
in
April
or
May.
That.
E
Did
you
have
another
question
Michelle
on
Camp
No?
Thank
you.
Okay,
I
had
one
question
on
on
the
bullet
on
the
top
of
page
two
on
the
camp
memo,
it
says
the
staff
is
seeking
to
find
a
balance
between
providing
access
to
open
space
as
a
community
benefit
and
protecting
Open
Spaces
from
the
impacts
of
exceeding
carrying
capacity
and
I
was
just
wondering
what
metrics
were
going
to
be
used
or
who
is
defining
the
carrying
capacity
that
will
be
used
there.
A
And
in
the
room
good
did
we
lose
them
again.
F
O
J
J
A
A
F
B
F
B
Why
it
would
make
a
difference?
Because
this
has
never
happened
before,
but
that's
how
Zoom
works
it
just
throws
curveballs
on
every
visit.
So
if
you're
hearing
now,
you
should
go.
B
A
Okay,
Francis
yeah,
my
my
zoom
crashed
and
restarted
when
I
was
at
it.
I
was
a
painless,
so
maybe
that
was
part
of
it,
but
Karen
great
question
I,
so
really
defining
carrying
capacity
first
Chautauqua
as
it
pertains
to
open
space
is
probably
out
of
the
scope
of
the
camp
evaluation.
This
year
we
included
some
acknowledgment
of
that
language
in
the
IP.
A
Just
recognizing
that
shuttles
do
in
or
can
impact
the
overall
amount
of
visitation
and
how
people
access
open
space,
so
that'll,
be
part
of
what
we're
looking
about
at
in
the
evaluation
is,
is
you
know,
ridership
to
visitation?
A
That
is
part
of
the
trick,
but
part
of
it
is
looking
at
Trends
over
time,
and
you
know
is
asking
the
questions.
If
ridership
you
know,
if
adding
a
shuttle
will
really
increase
the
number
of
people
visiting
Chautauqua
or
not
so
we
can.
We
can
start
to
look
at
visitation
Trends
through
the
data
that
we
have.
L
Just
to
add
to
that,
if
you
said
it
was
out
of
the
scope
of
Camp
I,
don't
know
if
this
question
would
be
answered
by
you
or
anyone
else.
Does
anyone
have
input
over
whose
scope
that
would
fall
under.
F
A
E
So
I
would
suggest
either
changing
the
statement
at
the
top
of
page
I.
Guess
it's
page
three
so
that
you
don't
say
that
you're
going
to
find
a
balance
between
exceeding
carrying
capacity
and
providing
access
to
visitors
or
or
actually
have
a
way
to
know
when
you
will
exceed
carrying
capacity,
because
the
way
it's
written
now,
if
you're,
not
planning
on
doing
it,
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
have
it
there.
I
mean
I.
I
Francis,
you
might
look
at
explaining
it
would
be
evaluating
or
exploring
the
providing
access
as
it
relates
to
carrying
capacity,
so
that
you
know,
there's
there's
some
clearer
understanding
of
kind
of
what
exactly
that's
going
to
be
and
the
time
frame
within
which
that
might
be
so
it
may
be
longer
than
a
year
or
I.
Don't
know
what
what
the
time
frame
is
necessarily
for
this
particular
effort,
but
I
do
think
it.
I
It's
important
concept
and
Chautauqua
is
a
good
Target
area
for
that,
but
you
I
think
Karen's
right.
You
probably
want
to
spend
a
little
more
time
kind
of
sorting
out
exactly
what
is
going
to
happen.
A
L
Ahead,
I
was
just
gonna,
add,
you
know
just
documenting
everything
appropriately.
So
as
anyone
is
moving
forward,
you
know
any
past
documents
can
be
helpful
as
we
move
forward
with
the
projects
and
it
doesn't
seem
like
something
was
there
and
then
it
fell
off
or
you
know
we're
not
sure
what
happened
you
know.
Accuracy
is
always
always
a
good
thing.
E
I
Karen
I
have
one
okay
and
I,
don't
know
who
to
address
this
to
specifically,
but
in
the
the
last
section,
Trailhead
planting
I,
certainly
support
I
think
the
board
supports
the
planting
of
Native
vegetation.
The
concern
I
have
is
prior
to
this
memo.
There
was
conversation
about
Trailhead,
Gardens
and
I.
I
I
want
to
take
this
opportunity
to
say
that
we
should
be
focused
on
Native
landscapes
in
appropriate
Landscapes
at
those
trailheads
which
reflect
the
native
condition
of
the
area
and
the
word
Gardens
references,
the
more
Horticultural
effort
and
I
think
what
we
want
to
focus
on
is
restoring
Native
landscapes,
so
I
would
suggest
that
that
be
the
description
of
the
trailhead
plantings
rather
than
having
it
be
more
General
and
kind
of
less
rigorously
defined.
Q
Yeah
I
can
just
Jeff
Haley
deputy
director
for
trails
and
Facilities
I
can
just
chime
in
and
say,
you're
absolutely
correct.
What
we're!
What
we're
trying
to
do
or
attempting
to
do
is
actually
look
at
our
Trail
heads
as
kind
of
part
of
the
whole
Continuum.
You
go
from
a
very
urbanized
City.
You
know
infrastructure
Community
to
a
very
native.
You
know
naturalistic
landscape,
so
those
trailheads.
I
Creative,
the
word
they've
got
me
yeah
exactly
the
word
they
got
me
going
was
the
use
of
the
word
Cosmopolitan,
which
I
have
never
heard
of
used.
That
word
used
in
context
of
native
Landscaping,
but
the
concern
is
that
there
are
now
so
several
non-native
species
who
are
kind
of
axiomatically,
considered
native
and
I'm
just
concerned
that
that
whole
Cosmopolitan
notion
something.
I
Orchard
Grass,
for
instance,
right
one
of
those
smooth
drones,
and
so
anyway,
just
be
mindful
and
careful
of
what
goes
into
those
absolutely.
Q
L
Q
That's
that's
one
yeah
exactly
and
there's
a
variety
of
reasons
both
for
Aesthetics
but
also
demonstration
to
show
folks
what
Native
species
exist
and
to
kind
of.
If
you
have
native
species
planted,
then
that'll
help
reduce
the
amount
of
non-natives
coming
in
so
yeah.
It's
a
real
interpretive
opportunity,
so
yeah,
no
Gardens,
no
ornamental.
L
I
You
can
add
two
quick
questions
in
the
first
paragraph.
As
far
as
the
description
of
how
the
water
lines
would
be
installed,
the
narrative
says
that
a
trench
would
by
would
be
the
installation
mechanism,
but
through
open
cutting
and
then
it
says,
open
cutting
would
make
minimize.
H
That
yeah
and
some
situations
boring,
is
preferable
and
others
We've.
We
find
that
the
open
trench
could
be
more
beneficial
and
we
will
explain
that
point
in
a
memo
coming
forward
of
why,
in
this
instance,
the
open
trench
would
be
preferable
to
the
board
so
we'll
we'll
provide
that
information.
I
H
If
I
could
tell
you
that
this
was
probably
the
most
complex
acquisition,
it
has
been
done
in
the
last
couple
of
decades
in
terms
of
everything
that
was
on
the
deed
and
everything
that
we
needed
to
to
go
Bethany
could
chime
in.
She
was
the
one
that
was
the
analyzer
for
making
sure
we
got
us
clean
of
a
situation
as
we
could,
but
Bethany
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
chime
in
about
perhaps
why
this
was
a
hangover.
T
Yeah,
it's
exactly
that
there
were
so
many
moving
parts,
and
so
many
you
know
there's
about
80
some
odd
exceptions
on
title
on
this
property
because
there's
a
lot
going
on
and
we
did
clean
up
several
easements
and
several
access
agreements
and
things
like
that
or
or
had
that
done
prior
to
acquisition
and
while
there
were
some
left-hand,
easements
associated
with
the
old
plat
and
everything,
none
of
them
actually
reach
or
extended
up
to
these.
These
four
residential
lots
that
were
part
of
that
original
nupd
platform.
T
H
If
I
could
read
between
lines,
the
cleanup
should
have
been
if
there
was.
There
was
an
intention
by
the
previous
owners
to
have
that,
and
it
was
never
a
formally
documented
within
an
easement
situation.
Yeah.
T
So
everything
was
owned
prior
to
our
acquisition
by
the
same
entity
really
or
the
same
family,
and
so
they
didn't
necessarily
think
to
convey
a
bunch
of
easements
to
each
other
or
to
to
residences,
and
so
that
was
something
that
did
not
get
conveyed
to
the
you
know
to
to
each
other,
to
those
to
those
residential
lots
prior
to
us.
Taking
ownership
of
the
surrounding
land.
I
T
It
depends
on
the
circumstance,
so
open
space
has
condemnation
authority
to
condemn
for
open
space
in
certain
situations.
Transportation,
you've
heard
of
Transportation
condemnations,
the
the
left-hand
water
district
is
a
special
district
under
State
Statute,
it's
it's.
You
know
it's
question
there.
There
is
case
law
both
saying
they
might
and
they
don't,
and
so,
rather
than
even
questioning
that
or
even
litigating,
whether
or
not
they
do
much
less
a
potential
condemnation
action.
T
This
is
you
know
the
a
preferred
alternative
to
be
able
to
work
with
them,
because
if
they
do
they,
if
left-hand
were
to
pursue
condemnation,
they
would
be
able
to,
they
would
pursue
a
much
larger
water
main,
so
a
much
larger,
pipe,
much
more
infrastructure,
much
more
impact,
if
if
it
was
an
issue
of
left-hand
pursuing
it
rather
than
us,
working
with
these
private
individuals
on
smaller
service
line,
thanks,
certainly.
H
We
do
have
a
brief
presentation
for
tonight.
Okay
and
I'll
just
provide
a
very
brief
intro
and
then
turn
over
to
actually
Brenda
who's,
helping
us
in
many
ways.
Tonight.
H
Brenda
is
a
community
engagement
manager
with
the
city's
communication
and
engagement
department,
and
she
is
helping
to
lead
an
effort
with
the
city
manager's
office
and
as
well
as
Department
staff
for
departments
around
the
city
to
look
at
ways
to
from
boards
and
commissions
to
enhance
their
work,
around
diverse
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion,
and
we
updated
Council
about
this
effort.
H
This
fall
and
we
are
now
bringing
that
out
to
boards,
be
meeting
the
city
collectively
with
Brenda's
leadership
and
City
manager's
leadership,
and
so
tonight
we
just
want
to
wet
your
whistle
about
future
conversations.
We
want
to
have
for
this
board
about
how
we
can
become
a
more
welcoming
and
inclusive
environment
here
at
the
board
level,
and
we
want
to
come
back
to
you
probably
take
some
time
at
the
retreat
to
address
this
issue.
H
We
thought
that
would
be
a
really
good
format
for
that,
as
well
as
to
encourage
you
all
to
participate
in
some
trainings
that
are
going
to
be
offering
offered
throughout
the
year,
but
with
that,
I
will
have
Brenda
just
quickly
summarize
some
of
the
efforts
that
is
happening
with
City
staff
to
work
with
boards
and
commissions.
B
Great,
thank
you.
So
much
I'll
just
share
a
little
graphic.
I
have
that's
interesting
and
I
will
apologize
for
the
typo
that
you'll
see
on
that
graphic,
but
of
course,
by
sharing
that
my
notes
went
away.
So
that's
exciting
so
now
that
you've
seen
it
I'm
gonna
stop
here.
B
So
we
started
in
March
2022
with
a
series
of
six
workshops.
We
invited
all
of
our
board
and
commission
project
team
members
which
we
consider
our
secretaries
and
Liaisons
and
then
a
core
group
of
folks
that
came
together
to
really
think
about
how
better
to
support
those
staff.
B
Members
who
support
you
all
and
the
other
boards
and
commissions
in
this
city,
and
we
came
together
and
started
working
with
a
consulting
firm,
called
I
project
LLC
to
create
a
series
of
workshops
to
enhance
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
and
belonging,
which
you'll
hear
called
Dei
across
the
city.
Generally.
We
also
talk
about
Jedi,
which
is
Justice
Equity
diversity
and
inclusion
and
I
know
you've
heard
a
lot
from
osmp's
Jedi
team,
which
was
the
first
at
the
city.
B
So
the
word
cloud
I
briefly
showed
offers
a
peek
at
many
of
the
terms
that
we
explored
through
the
process
and
our
lead
consultant,
Angela
Davis,
who
likes
to
say
she's,
not
the
Angela
Davis,
but
she's,
the
one
that
you
know
worked
with
City
staff
to
host
three
two-part
workshops.
So
it
was
a
total
of
24
hours
that
staff
committed
to
this
training
toward
the
goal
of
creating
a
Dei
blueprint
for
boards
and
commissions
going
forward.
B
B
The
first
two
sessions
focused
on
inclusion
and
belonging
leaning
into
productive
atmospheres.
As
you
see
those
slides,
it's
a
it's.
A
conversation
we've
been
having
for
many
years
at
the
city,
but
putting
this
work
in
context
of
that
conversation,
productive
atmospheres
and
psychological
safety.
B
So
we
we're
looking
to
create
spaces
where
we
can
have
full-hearted
participation,
that
people
can
really
be
their
whole
selves
and
show
up
with
all
of
their
perspectives
in
those
rooms.
So
we
walked
through
the
full
life
cycle
of
being
a
border
commission
member
and
talked
about
how
to
bring
inclusion
and
belonging
into
each
step.
So
that
meant
we
looked
at
recruitment.
B
We
looked
at
onboarding
throughout
the
phases
of
your
five-year
terms
and
the
increasing
leadership
roles
that
you
might
have
in
those
terms
all
the
way
through
off-boarding
later
and
then
fast
forward
to
July
2022.
We
spent
sessions
three
and
four
focused
on
creating
a
diversity
blueprint
for
each
boarding
commission.
B
So
the
workshop
participants
themselves,
the
staff
that
support
you
and
the
other
boards
really
looked
at
their
own
intersexual
intersectional
identities,
the
different
ways
that
they
might
identify
themselves
and
we're
worked
in
small
groups
to
understand
what
qualities
candidates
could
bring
to
their
board
and
commission
rooms.
That
would
be
an
ad
to
the
culture.
B
Everyone
is
having,
so
we
looked
at
the
different
strategies
that
could
be
used
to
to
determine
what
might
be
a
culture
ad
in
these
rooms
and
then
the
final
two
sessions
last
September
illuminated
the
past
and
present
of
inequities
in
America,
particularly
related
to
political
structures
and
policies
that
are
grounded
in
the
founding
of
our
country
and
and
the
first
folks
who
came
over
and
and
came
onto
this
land
and
and
settled
it
in
different
ways.
B
Taking
it
from
some
of
the
folks
who
lived
here.
Originally
the
recent
pilot
process,
improvements
of
the
human
relations
commission,
which
include
supporting
a
primary
Spanish-speaking
member,
our
informing
current
Equity
needs,
and
so
once
we
sort
of
understood
that
history
of
where
a
lot
of
inequity
comes
from.
B
We
started
to
talk
about
what
inequities
are
we
learning
about
within
our
boards
and
commissions
by
starting
to
have
members
who
have
different
backgrounds
and
different
needs
than
other
members,
and
how
do
we
start
Paving
those
Pathways
with
resources,
so
that
everyone
is
able
to
show
up
on
in
the
evening,
even
if
they
have
kids
at
home?
Who
need
to
be
taken
care
of
so
that
everyone
can
speak
in
the
language
of
their
heart
during
the
meetings
and
so
that
everyone
has
access
to
the
same
knowledge
and
background
about
the
issues
that
they're
discussing.
B
So
we
worked
to
highlight
that
for
everyone
on
the
stat
on
the
staffs
who
were
in
the
workshop
so
that
they
could
think
about
their
own
boards
and
and
how
they
might
bring
some
of
those
practices
into
play.
Should
they
get
a
new
member
that
needed
some
of
those
Equity
resources?
B
They
also
worked
together
in
teams.
Your
your
staff
representatives
were
Leah
and
Lauren,
and
they
worked
closely
mostly
with
our
folks
in
parks
and
rec,
to
start
to
develop
plans
of
action
that
they
might
consider
bringing
to
you
at
a
future
time
and
I
know
that
that's
a
continuing
conversation
that
goes
on.
B
We
know
that,
in
addition
to
those
pilot
programs
that
we
talked
about
with
the
human
relations
commission,
other
Innovations
have
already
started
to
be
implemented.
I
helped.
The
landmarks
board
create
some
group
agreements
that
really
helped
make
them
aware
of
some
behaviors
that
were
happening
between
board
members
and
and
with
the
community
members
who
were
participating
in
their
board
to
help
mitigate
some
of
those
behaviors
and
make
more
of
a
welcoming
space.
B
So
we
have
decided
that
we
would
love
to
start
this
year
with
having
each
of
you
attend
a
session
that
is,
our
in-house
training
called
advancing
racial
Equity,
the
role
of
government.
This
is
a
training
that
is
currently
mandatory
for
our
supervisors
and
managers
of
the
city
and
directors
and
is
is
highly
encouraged
for
everyone
to
take
on
staff.
B
But
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you
all
are
able
to
fully
step
into
these
commitments
of
the
city
and
your
identity
as
a
city
advisor
and
volunteer
and
understand
where
our
language
around
this
work
is
coming
from
and
our
commitments
toward
advancing
racial
Equity.
So
we
will
be
I
think
it
was
in
your
memo,
some
some
initial
ideas
about
times
that
we
might
be
able
to
partner
you
with
some
other
boards
to
take
that
training.
B
We'll
also
have
some
sign
ups
sheets,
where,
on
a
date
where
board
members
from
any
board
and
commission
can
sign
up
so
Leah
will
follow
up
with
you,
I'm
sure,
in
the
future,
to
check
with
you
about
what
options
might
work
best
for
you,
we're
looking
at
May
and
June
for
those
trainings
and
really
hoping
to
get
all
board
and
commission
members
through
that
training
this
year,
it's
a
two
and
a
half
hour
training
that
an
hour
it's
two
and
a
half
hour
training
with
an
hour
video
that
you
watch
on
your
own
beforehand
and
then
you
come
into
the
room
for
the
two
and
a
half
hour
discussion.
B
So
it's
not
too
much
time
to
really
understand
where
the
city
is
making
some
commitments
these
days.
So
with
that
I'll
open
to
some
questions,
I
know
that
was
kind
of
a
lot
and
kind
of
all
over
the
place.
So
I
am
happy
to
Circle
back
on
any
of
the
things
that
I
I've
shared.
L
L
L
J
Thanks
Brenda,
as
the
one
person
of
color
on
this
board,
I
have
a
series
of
questions
for
you,
absolutely
I
think
you
did
Cover
quite
a
lot
and
the
work
that
you're
all
doing
is
amazing
and
I'm.
Super
happy
that
you're
doing
that.
J
B
Thank
you.
The
the
first
and
foremost
was
language
barrier,
because
Carlos
Valdez,
who
is
now
the
vice
chair
of
the
human
relations
commission,
is
a
primary
Spanish
speaker.
B
His
English
is
quite
good,
but
he
really
does
want
to
be
able
to
fully
Express
himself
in
the
meetings,
and
so
they
do
now
resource
every
single
meeting,
with
an
interpreter
actually
with
a
team
of
two
interpreters,
because
we've
learned
that,
if
it's
longer
than
an
hour,
it's
really
helpful
for
our
interpreters
to
be
able
to
take
a
break
and
be
able
to
refresh
their
brain
a
little
bit
doing
that
difficult
work.
B
J
I
can
hear
you
Brenda
you're
about
to
just
hold
that
thought
where
you
I
think
they
lost.
F
G
G
D
A
C
B
Thanks
again,
I'll
just
I'll
just
say
test
test
every
once
in
a
while
see.
If
you
can
hear
me
all
right,
so
I
was
start.
I
was
sharing
that
that,
while
we
are
supporting
language
access,
there's
also
a
lot
of
conversations
about
other
support.
I
know
that
Parks
and
Rec
is
supporting
child
care
for
one
of
their
members,
because
it
was
not
possible
for
her
to
attend
meetings
either
at
home
or
in
person
without
some
child
care
support.
B
So
they
have
come
up
with
some
ways
to
support
that
child
care
for
her
and
other
questions
have
come
up.
You
know
we
continue
to
to
ruminate
on
the
idea
of
stipends
for
community
members
who
do
not
have
the
free
hours
to
give
to
this
sort
of
effort
when
they
could
be
hours
that
they're
making
money.
B
J
B
But
that's
a
great
question:
Michelle.
We
should
be
rolling
those
things
up
to
a
centralized
part
so
and
and
that's
a
great
Point
part
of
what,
where
we've
started
with
this
work,
and
why
it
was
important
to
try
and
bring
as
many
staff
in
the
room
together
for
these
trainings
as
possible.
Is
that
we,
unlike
some
other
cities,
don't
have
a
unified
Department?
That
sort
of
cares
for
boards
and
commissions
as
a
whole.
Our
clerk's
office
does
a
lot
of
the
logistics
as
far
as
getting
folks
recruiting,
recruiting
and
appointing.
B
But
each
boarding
commission
really
runs
itself
in
a
pretty
decentralized
kind
of
way,
and
so
we
don't
have
a
structure
in
place
to
to
have
that
roll
up
to
a
centralized
structure
and
then
roll
back
out
to
everyone
else.
You
know
Denver,
which
has
like
60
plus
boards
and
commissions.
They
have
an
office
that
is
the
office
of
boards
and
commissions
and
a
manager
in
that
office.
Some
staff
that
that
really
support
consistency
across
that
structure
and-
and
we
don't
have
that
in
Boulder.
J
Yeah,
thank
you,
and
you
know
that
idea
that
the
that
Parks
and
Rec
is
supporting
that
person,
because
that
person
asked
is,
you
know,
a
sign
right
there
of
inequities
within
the
city,
because
those
who
act
there
are
for
that
person
who
asked
there
are
probably
2
3
10x
of
those
people
who
are
unwilling
to
ask,
and
so
great
point.
J
You
know
the
the
idea
is
that
you
would
offer
this
to
everybody
and
then
then
people
would
have
the
ability
to
turn
it
down,
rather
than
the
other
way
around
and
asking
for
it,
because
that
has
the
power
imbalance
right
when,
when
you
put
people
in
that
particular
situation,
it
and
also
in
this
process
Brenda.
Are
they
considering?
Or
are
you
all
considering
the
number
of
meetings
and
the
length
of
meetings
and
the
participation
that's
required?
J
B
Unpaid
work
for
yeah,
so
I
will
share
that
the
end
of
so
that
presentation
to
council,
which
I
think
you
have
a
link
to
that
whole
memo
to
counsel.
In
your
memo
this
week
there
were
quite
a
few
different
topics
that
were
addressed
with
boards
and
commissions
during
that
presentation,
this
being
one
of
them
some
Logistics
and
some
ideas
about
the
next
appointment
cycle,
which
were
in
the
midst
of
right
now
and
some
other
subjects
were
addressed
there.
B
So
I
think
you
have
that
in
your
memo
and
the
last
thing
that
we
talked
about
at
that
presentation
was
hiring
a
consultant
to
really
do
a
top
to
bottom
assessment
of
our
boards
and
commissions
structure,
and
that
is
definitely
one
of
the
questions
that
we
as
a
core
guiding
team
to
this
work
have
brought
forward.
B
Also,
five-year
terms
can
be
really
challenging
for
people,
particularly
as
people
start
to
to
be
more
mobile
and
how
they
live
their
lives
and
don't
necessarily
know
that
they'll
be
in
one
place
for
five
years,
and
yet
their
voices
are
still
valuable
in
advising
the
decisions
at
the
city
and
so
we're
not
in
a
place.
B
Yet,
where
we've
been
able
to
holistically
look
at
that,
but
part
of
the
work
plan
this
year,
that
Council
supported
is
to
hire
a
consultant
to
help
us
dig
in
and
ask
those
hard
questions
and
and
start
to
chart
a
different
future
going
forward.
J
Yeah,
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
what
those
metrics
are
like
the
number
of
hours
per
board
and
kind
of
butt
up
against
the
census
of
those
applicants.
What
those
applicants
look
like
and
based
on
those
particular
metrics
and
those
commitments.
B
Yeah
and
I
think
as
part
of
that
full
assessment.
There
are
ques
there's
conversations
to
be
had
with
current
board
and
commission
members,
like
yourselves,
there's
conversations
more
conversations
to
be
had
with
staff,
and
we
really
do
want
to
talk
with
folks
who
have
chosen
not
to
apply
and
talk
to
them,
and
we've
done
some
of
that.
B
But
doing
more
of
that
is
what
is
keeping
you
from
being
able
to
step
in
into
these
rooms
and
serve
in
this
way,
or
even
put
your
name
forward
to
do
that
and
then
I
work
with
Council,
because
we
know
they're
that
ultimately
they're
the
decision
maker
about
who
sits
on
boards
and
commissions,
and
so
staff
can
do
a
lot
of
work,
and
you
all
can
do
a
lot
of
work
and
Council
chooses
what
these
boards
and
commissions
who
who
makes
them
up
right,
and
so
we
need
to
bring
them
solidly
into
this
conversation
too.
J
Now,
I'm
so
glad
you're
doing
that
work.
The
and-
and
we're
going
to
see
this
in
this
next
cycle
is
that
I
mean
the
the
women
I've
talked
to
when
tried
to
get
to
apply
to
various
boards.
First
question
is:
what
is
the
commitment
and
like
can
I
do
this
based
on
on
their
family
obligations?
J
Okay,
the
the
the
training
that
you
have
is
it
mandatory?
Is
it
a
notice
for
staff,
but
for
the
board
members?
Is
it
going
to
be
mandatory.
B
It
is
as
mandatory
as
we
feel
we
can
make
it,
which
is
that
we
express
to
all
of
you
our
our
desire
that
you
be
there
and
the
importance
of
bringing
you
into
this
commitment
that
the
city
has
made,
and
so
that
means
that
we
might
bug
you
over
and
over
and
over
until
you
make
that
choice
to
attend
one
of
these
trainings,
because
we
think
it's
very,
very
important
that
you
come
and
your
volunteers
and
that's
why
we've
tried
to
make
it
so
that
part
of
the
work
you
do
on
your
own
on
your
own
time
on
the
hour-long
video
and
then
it's
a
two
and
a
half
hour
discussion
that
we
have
together
and
we're
talking
with
each
boarding
commission
to
figure
out
the
most
convenient
way
to
do
that.
B
For
you
and
get
you
the
experience
you
want
to
have
you
know
there's
doing
it
together
is
one
experience
doing
it
alongside
other
boards
and
commissions
is
an
experience,
and
each
sort
of
signing
up
for
a
training
that
has
many
different
boards
and
commissions
represented
is
another
experience
right,
and
we
want
you
to
have
the
experience
you
want
in
this
and
we
want
to
support
it
in
the
way
you
want
to
have
it.
So
so
we
really
are
trying
to
create
options
for
you
to
have.
J
Great
I
appreciate
that
this
is
my
last
comment
and
I
see
that
the
two
dates
are
are
Monday
nights.
B
B
So
we
could
add
you
to
one
of
those
that
we're
already
in
the
works
to
plan.
But
again
we
can
continue
to
have
that
conversation.
You
know
as
far
as
Wednesdays
go
I
know.
The
landmarks
board
is
very
interested
in
taking
it
alongside
another
board,
but
on
a
night
that
they
might
normally
meet
so
they
also
meet.
They
meet
first
Wednesdays,
so
maybe
between
the
two
boards.
B
We
could
come
to
some
consensus
about
first
Wednesday
or
second
Wednesday
and
get
you
in
on
a
night
that
you're
used
to
meeting
so
Leah
will
follow
up
with
you
all
I'm
sure,
and
and
have
that
conversation
in
a
more
concerted
and
collaborative
way.
B
L
I
just
wanted
to
add
something:
I'm,
not
interrupting
anyone
else,
Michelle
with
one
of
the
comments
that
you
made.
It
made
sense,
but
I
was
reading
a
Business
Journal
the
other
day
and
it
had
a
really
interesting,
an
excellent
article
about
the
success
of
FedEx
and
how
that
company
was
able
to
overcome
whatever
its
obstacles
were,
to
turn
into
the
business
that
it
did,
and
it
talked
about
his
plan
and
strategy.
L
And
what
I'm
referring
to
is
the
singular
board
that
was
able
to
provide
child
care
for
just
the
one
person
and
I
hear
what
you're
saying
when
you
said
that
there's
a
lot
of
people
out
there.
That
would
love
to
have
that
ask,
and
they
don't
have
the
opportunity
to.
But
the
article
that
was
discussing
the
success
of
FedEx
said
that
a
huge
portion
of
the
success
of
that
company
was
each
individual.
Employee
was
really
on
their
own
with
their
check
of
mail.
L
So
when
you're
in
Chicago
and
the
planes
are
down
and
there's
a
big
snowstorm
and
it's
windy-
and
you
can't
drive
that
way,
and
you
can't
drive
that
way
and
you
cannot
fly.
It
is
up
to
each
individual
person
to
then
figure
out
how
to
take.
You
know
like
their
Santa
stack
of
mail
and
get
to
where
they
need
to
go,
and
that
method
was
the
lifeblood
of
the
company,
because,
instead
of
trying
to
make
everyone,
that's
stuck
in
Chicago
move.
L
They
allowed
each
person
to
figure
out
their
own
way
and
with
that
strategy
they
were
able
to
grow,
and
you
know
it's
a
reality.
J
So
Caroline
I
think
we
could
take
this
debate
offline
or
outside
of
this
board
meeting.
I.
Think
the
idea
of
providing
an
equitable
environment
and
Community
is
that
we
offer
things
to
other
people.
We
don't
force
people
to
fend
for
themselves.
That
is
not
a
supportive
Community.
When
we
say
Hey
you
go,
you
go
fend
for
yourself.
L
Well,
I
think
is
the
opposite
of
that
and
it
really
wasn't
directed
at
just
you.
The
the
comment
was
for
the
entire
group
in
that
sometimes
the
smaller
circles
have
the
ability
to
do
more
and
by
that
that
person
was
able
to
then
still
attend
the
board
meeting.
So
it
might
be
a
small
success,
but
it
still
was
a
success.
L
J
B
B
So
so
we
do
need
to
do
a
chunk
of
work
just
to
invite
everyone
to
have
their
voice
and
to
ask
for
their
needs,
and
we
start
by
doing
what
Michelle
said,
which
is
making
them
not
have
to
ask
right,
and
so
I
really
appreciate
that
comment
and
and
we'll
take
that
back
to
the
core
team,
which
is
primarily
the
clerk's
office
with
with
Amy
Kane
from
our
racial
Equity
she's,
our
racial
Equity
program
manager
and
and
a
couple
others
of
us
at
the
city
and-
and
we
will
have
that
conversation
Michelle
thanks.
H
All
right
thanks,
Brenda
thanks
Leah,
thanks
Lauren
for
supporting
this
effort
and
more
conversations
to
come
with
that.
Karen
I
think
we're
ready
to
move
to
our
next
item,
which
is
the
continuation
of
the
consideration
of
a
staff
recommendation
to
the
open
space
Board
of
Trustees
and
allowing
e-biking
as
a
passive
recreational,
passive
recreational
use
and
open
space,
Trails
e-bikes
an
open
space.
Just
a
reminder
before
I
turn
over
to
Marty.
H
We
had
a
robust
conversation
in
November
December,
which
included
the
public
hearing
and
now
we're
back
today
to
help
support
in
ways
that
we
can
the
board's
deliberation
and
discussion
on
this
matter.
So
with
that
Barney
radzlar
principal
plan.
F
G
Good
evening
trustees,
I'm
Marnie,
rattle
principal
planner
and
the
project
manager
for
this
effort,
let
me
see
if
I
can
get
myself
out
of
this
screen.
Does
that
just
stay
there?
You
guys,
oh
I,
can
move
that.
Okay
I
thought
it
was
foreign.
G
Stan
said
is
a
continuation
from
your
December
meeting
and
it's
in
consideration
about
whether
to
amend
the
current
policy
that
prohibits
e-bikes
on
osmp,
managed
trails
and
and
require
I'm.
Sorry
I
was
distracted
by
that.
Okay,
it's
about
whether
to
amend
the
current
policy
that
prohibitsy
biking
at
open
space,
manage
trails
and
requires
disposal
of
open
space
plan
to
allow
e-biking.
G
In
December,
we
presented
a
final
staff
recommendation
to
the
board,
which
is
comprised
of
two
components.
The
first
is
a
recommendation
to
allow
class
1
and
Class
2
e-biking
as
a
passive
recreational
use
and
allowed
only
on
Trails
designated
for
e-biking,
and
the
second
is
to
designate
and
manage
e-biking
on
Trails
identified
in
alternative
B.
These
include
Plains
trails
that
allow
biking
and
the
Boulder
Canyon
Trail.
G
Osmp's
evaluation
of
e-bikes
began
about
a
year
ago
in
the
spring
of
2022.
It
included
an
engagement
window
over
the
summer
and
additional
analysis
in
the
fall
in
December.
The
community
also
had
an
opportunity
to
provide
input
to
the
board
on
a
final
staff
recommendation
during
a
public
hearing.
The
purpose
of
tonight
is
for
the
trustees
to
make
a
recommendation
to
city
council
for
their
consideration.
This
spring
I'm,
going
to
Now
cover
some
of
the
highlights
from
each
phase
of
the
process.
G
Osmp
completed
an
activity
assessment
using
the
process
outlined
in
the
visitor
master
plan
and
the
set
of
considerations
detailed
on
the
left
side
of
your
slide
staff
determined
that
e-biking
does
not
differ
from
biking
and
could
be
managed
similarly
to
biking
activity
which
allows
it
on
designated
trails.
As
such,
we
identified
three
management
alternatives
to
the
status
quo
of
not
allowing
the
bikes,
and
next
we
evaluated
these
management
Alternatives
and
the
status
quo
against
one
another.
This
informed
the
selection
of
alternative
b
as
the
alternative,
with
the
most
advantages.
G
Staff
identified
alternative
b
as
the
preferred
alternative,
because
it
provides
a
consistent,
visitor
experience
and
regulations
on
interconnected
Trails
which
are
easy
to
understand,
comply
with
and
enforce.
It
also
increases
opportunities
for
visitors
and
more
of
more
ages
and
abilities
to
access
and
enjoy
our
open
space
to
Climate
City
goal
to
City
climate
goals,
with
minimal
impacts
to
Natural,
Resources
visitor
experience,
visitor
safety
and
the
trail
system.
G
Between
the
three
Alternatives
there,
but
this
slide
presents
the
inputs
into
the
final
recommendation.
In
addition
to
public
input
and
the
evaluation
criteria.
We
also
considered
peer
agency
experience
and
the
Department's
experience
with
biking
to
develop
a
recommendation
that
was
presented
in
the
farm
foreign.
G
Requested
additional
information
to
support
their
consideration
of
final
recommendation.
Some
of
these
items
included
demographic
comparison
of
surveys
and
Census
Data,
more
information
on
existing
and
proposed
enforcement
activity.
If
e-biking
was
allowed
and
in
comparison
of
visitation
on
interconnected
Trails
between
osmp
and
our
agency
partners,
most
of
the
information
was
provided
in
your
December
packet.
Although
some
requests
did
require
some
more
time
and
are
included
in
your
February
packet,
such
as
this
map
depicting
widths
of
trails
that
allow
bus
that
allow
bikes,
foreign.
G
Consider
these
two
separate
components
in
the
form
of
a
motion:
first
to
recommend
the
Boulder
City
Council,
allow
class
1
and
Class
2
e-bikes
as
a
passive
recreational
use
on
open
space
and
to
recommend
to
the
open
and
two
to
recommend
to
the
open
space
board
of
the
open
space
Department
that
we
proceed
with
a
staff
preferred
alternative
of
alternative
B,
the
plains
Trails
located
east
of
Broadway
and
the
Boulder
Canyon
Trail
I'm,
now
going
to
step
turn
it
over
to
Casey
who's,
going
to
share
more
about
why
the
department
supports
this
approach
for
a
staff
recommendation.
D
Thanks
Marnie,
so
the
purpose
of
organizing
the
staff
recommendation
into
two
parts
like
this
is
to
separate
the
policy
decision
that
requires
Council
approval
from
on-the-ground
management
actions
that
do
not.
Another
reason
for
this
approach
is
that
guidance
on
policy
is,
is
generally
more
static
in
nature,
while
implementing
the
policy.
D
In
order
to
explain
the
intention
of
the
legislative,
binding
I'm
going
to
start
with
some
background
on
the
charter,
so
Charter
section
176
states
that
open
space
land
shall
be
used
only
for
certain
purposes
and
one
of
those
purposes
is
passive.
Recreation.
The
charter
does
not
mention
or
allow
for
exceptions
to
those
uses,
nor
does
it
Define
passive
Recreation.
D
A
passive
Recreation
is
defined
in
the
visitor
master
plan
and
it
defines
it
as
non-motorized
activities
that
achieve
the
criteria.
That's
listed
here
on
this
slide
and
we
recognize
there's
debate
on
whether
e-bikes
meets
the
non-motorized
components
so
in
support
of
the
staff
signing
that
e-biking
needs.
This
other
criteria
council
could
make
a
legislative
finding
that
e-biking
is
a
passive
recreational
activity
allowed
on
open
space
trails.
D
The
intention
of
the
legislative
finances
were
canceled
to
specifically
find
that
e-biking
is
a
passive
recreational
use
of
open
space,
and
then
it
aligns
with
our
policies,
meaning
it.
It
meets
the
criteria
identified
in
the
visitor
master
plan,
and
the
benefit
of
this
approach
is
that
it
explicitly
draws
the
connection
between
allowing
e-biking
to
the
Charter
and
the
Vista
visitor
master
plan,
which
defines
passive
Recreation
in
the
additional
information
recently
requested
by
the
board.
D
D
The
recommended
approach
is
to
repeal
and
replace
instead
of
amending
because,
as
indicated
by
the
the
seven,
the
current
ordinance
is
located
in
chapter
seven,
and
this
is
the
traffic
code
section
of
the
BRC
all
other
open
space
related
ordinances
are
in
chapter
eight
and
that
chapter
is
focused
specifically
on
Open
Space
Management.
So
the
current
location
is
a
one-off
and
we
just
think
it
warrants
relocation
to
chapter
eight
for
consistency.
D
D
As
I
mentioned,
we
are,
we
are
recommending
a
new
ordinance
in
chapter
eight,
and
this
new
ordinance
contains
the
actual
legislative
finding.
D
It
allows
e-bikes
on
certain
designated
trails
and
contains
the
language
establishing
the
city
manager
rule
as
the
tool
for
designation,
and
there
are
also
some
other
changes
needed
to
Define
and
regulate
e-biking
and
all
of
these
ordinate
changes
were
in
your
packet
and
detailed
in
attachment.
A
and
I
will
go
into
more
detail
on
the
city
manager
rule
as
the
tool
for
implementation
here
in
just
a
moment,
but
first
I
wanted
to
respond
to
another
recent
board
inquiry
around
the
potential
ways.
D
Other
ways
to
make
the
ordinance
changes
the
ordinance
could
be
changed
or
created
to
prohibit
e-biking
except
we're
designated,
which
is
similar
to
the
regulations
for
biking,
fishing
and
sledding,
which
are
all
located
in
chapter
eight.
However,
the
difference
here
is
that,
with
these
activities
meet
the
VMP
definition
of
passive
Recreation.
Well
again,
it
can
be
debated
that
e-biking
does
not
so,
hence
a
recommended
ordinance
changes
which
include
Council,
making
and
legislative
finding.
The
e-bike
is
a
passive
recreational
use.
D
Moving
on
to
the
rulemaking
as
the
tool
for
designating
the
trails,
the
rulemaking
process
is
outlined
in
chapter
1-4
of
the
VRC
and
in
that
process
Staff
first
identifies
the
trails
for
ebike
games.
Staff
then
proposes
the
rule
to
the
city
manager
and
if
the
city
manager
supports
osmp
staff
designation,
the
manager
adopts
the
rule.
D
The
rulemaking
process
also
contains
a
requirement
to
publish
the
proposed
rule,
so
publish
the
draft
Rule
and
consider
public
comments
before
the
rule
or
amendments
become
final.
We
thought
that
was
a
benefit
of
the
rulemaking
process,
as
this
requirement
just
provides
those
assurances
to
the
community
of
transparency
and
the
ability
to
provide
input.
F
D
Is
not
necessary
to
use
rulemaking
as
the
tool
for
designation.
These
Duties
are
already
delegated
to
the
osmp
department
in
Charter,
section
171
functions
of
the
department,
A
and
B,
but
with
this
methodology,
there's
just
no
process
requirement.
D
D
So
that
concludes
my
section
of
the
presentation
describing
the
approach
or
the
how
to
make
the
policy
changes
and
Implement
that
policy
that
are
associated
with
the
motion
shown
here
on
the
slide,
so
I
will
turn
it
back
over
to
Bernie.
Now,
thanks.
G
Casey,
so
so
so
to
support
the
board
discussion
and
deliberation.
G
We
have
several
staff
members
available
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
and
we're
also
prepared
to
share
materials,
including
the
digital
map
of
the
trail
with
that
was
included
in
your
packet,
as
well
as
the
map
that
was
included
in
your
December
packet,
that
that
map
shows
connection
points
and
ownership
of
osmp
trails
that
are
interconnected
with
Trails
managed
by
our
agency
partners.
G
E
And
thanks
for
getting
all
those
Maps
queued
up
and
ready
to
go
so
that
we
can
refer
to
them
rather
than
start
with
the
maps.
I'd
like
to
start.
If
the
question
of
e-bikes
meeting
the
definition
of
passive
recreation
in
the
charter.
J
J
I'm
I'm
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
am
understanding
the
process
that
the
people
in
the
room,
your
room
in
the
virtual
room,
are
in
fact
deliberating
on
this
particular
topic.
The
reason
why
I
asked
this
question
and
I
it's
just
unclear
to
me,
based
on
the
beginning
part
of
our
November
meeting,
in
which
we
discussed
e-bikes
and
December,
where
I
wasn't
I
wasn't
in
attendance.
J
There
was
some
like
some
long
conversations
and
comments
made
that
led
me
to
believe
that
not
all
of
our
trustees
would
be
deliberating
on
this
topic
and
I.
Just
wonder
if
that's
actually
the
case,
my
understanding,
if
there's
any
sort
of
clarification,
I,
think.
G
J
No
I
I
am
definitely
joining
and
deliberating
I
the
beginning
of
that
meeting.
There
was
some
comments
that
were
made
by
You
Caroline
about
and
I
didn't
quite
understand
what
was
being
said
and
I
realized.
I'm
I
I
was
on
the
other
side
of
the
screen,
but
I
was
led
to
believe
that
you
had
some
conflicts
with
presentations
and
would
not
be
deliberating
on
the
e-bike
topic.
L
J
L
L
Like
I
said,
I
think
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
chair,
no
speak
for
yourself,
please
but
I.
Think
where
you're
going
for
the
February
meeting,
where
we're
having
a
conversation
about
e-bikes,
I,
I,
just
I'm,
not
sure
where
you're
going
or
why
you're
doing
it
and
I
I,
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
productive
for
tonight.
J
Yeah
the
reason
why
I'm
doing
it,
because
you
made
a
comment
earlier
about
how
documentation
was
really
important
and
I-
think
there's
just
a
disconnect,
definitely
in
my
mind
and
probably
through
with
others
in
the
community,
about
what
happened
between
November
and
February
that
changed
I.
Think
that
made
you
decide
that
you
did
not
need
to
recuse
yourself
from
this
topic.
E
I,
what
I
hear
Caroline's
saying
is
that
she's
ready
to
deliberate
on
the
questions
that
are
before
us
now
regarding
e-bikes
and,
if
you're
ready
to
participate
in
that
too
I
think
we
ought
to
proceed.
E
Okay
and
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
start
with
the
question,
as
staff
has
presented
there's
more
than
one
question
here
and
do
is
start
with
the
question
of
whether
e-bikes
are
allowed
under
the
charter
and
I
have
spent
time
going.
Using
the
memo
that
Marnie
sent
to
us
I
believe
it
was
in
December
with
the
links
to
all
the
previous
osbt
considerations
of
this
question
from
2013
through
2018
and
take
just
a
few
minutes
to
review
previous
motions
from
osbt
on
this
topic.
E
E
And
2014
the
city
made
decisions
to
allow
e-bikes
on
all
hard
surfaced,
multi-use
trails
and
paths
in
the
city
that
were
Greenways
that
were
these
kinds
of
trails
shown
in
the
photo
which
is
taken
from
the
city
website
and,
and
that
started
this
discussion
of.
E
Where
do
e-bikes
belong
and
city
council
passed
Provisions
that
said,
e-bikes
are
allowed
on
these
kinds
of
hard
surface
paved
multi-use
Trails
throughout
the
city,
and
the
website
now
says
that
there
are
about
300
miles
of
these
kinds
of
Bikeway
Trails,
which
include
these
multi-use
Trails
Greenway
Trails,
as
well,
well
as
other
sorts
of
bikeways
throughout
the
city.
So
we
have
firmly
established
in
the
city
that
e-bikes
are
allowed
in
the
city
limits
on
all
these
kinds
of
of
hard
surface
trails.
E
It
was
in
that
context
that
osbt
and
thanks
Lee
I,
don't
think
we
need
the
the
photo
anymore
that
osbt
took
up.
The
question
of
do
e-bikes
belong
on
open
space
trails
and
in
2013,
Tom
Isaacson
moved
and
Shelly
Dunbar
seconded
a
motion
that
said
that
the
open
space
Board
of
Trustees
finds
the
use
of
e-bikes
on
open
space
paths
is
not
appropriate
under
the
charter.
E
And
then
the
next
motion
that
osbt
passed
also
in
2014,
was
to
approve
the
disposal
of
land
consisting
of
parcels
identified
in
11
small
non-contiguous
paved
parcels
which
primarily
serve
a
non-open
space
purpose
of
Transportation
to
the
city's
public
works
department,
which
is
where
the
transportation
department
Falls,
and
that
there
would
be
no
cost
involved
in
this
transfer
or
disposal,
and
that
that
there
would
be
cost
savings
because
the
osmp
would
no
longer
manage
and
maintain
those
trails.
E
That
motion
was
passed
three
to
two:
that
disposal
notion
for
the
11
small
non-contiguous
pave
parcels
and
the
classic
paved
parcel
that
was
considered
at
this
point
is
the
the
cement
Trail
in
front
of
mist
and
other
small
segments
of
of
the
open
space
Trails,
like
that
in
2016
staff
brought
back
to
osbt
a
list
of
about
20.
E
E
At
that
time,
Trails,
like
Bobolink
Trail,
were
included
and
osbt
said
no,
that's
too
much.
We
do
not
want
to
dispose
of
things
like
the
Bobolink
trail
that
are
part
of
the
open
space
and
Mountain
Park
system
and
furthermore,
we
do
not
want
to
have
an
18
inch
buffer
or
boundary
on
the
sides
of
these
Trails
turned
over
to
transportation
for
maintenance.
E
We
only
want
transportation
to
maintain
the
trails
themselves
in
these
11
non-contiguous,
small
parcels,
and
so
at
that
point,
staff
and
osbt
agreed
that
they
would
stick
with
the
11
small
non-contiguous
paved
Parcels
that
were
agreed
to
back
in
2014
and
that
they
would
develop
an
IGA
or
an
idea.
I
guess
it
is
with
the
transportation
department
for
the
maintenance
of
those
paved
trails.
E
Then
in
2018
there
was
a
summary
document
presented
by
staff
to
osbt,
which
again
said
that
e-bikes
would
be
prohibited
on
osmp
lands
and
that
that
decision
stems
from
the
city,
Charter
and
biking.
E-Biking
is
a
motorized
activity
and
it's
not
considered
passive,
Recreation
or
consistent
with
the
definition
of
passive
Recreation.
A
E
I
think
that
grounding
is
important
for
where
we
are
now.
This
is
not
the
first
time
that
osbt
has
considered
this
decision,
but
it's
clear
that
we
need
to
make
a
decision
again
tonight
about
this
question
of,
does
e-biking
constitute
a
passive
recreation
use
of
open
space
and
Mountain
Parks
land.
L
Well,
those
are
good
points
to
make,
for
you
know
a
legislative
finding,
because
by
doing
that,
you
look
at
the
history
and
see
you
know
what
has
has
been
there
in
the
past.
L
Is
there
anything
with
any
other
departments
that
would
be
relevant
to
this
or
2013
and
anything
going
on
that
was
outside
of
osbt?
That
we
would
need
to
know
about
that.
Anyone,
nothing
like
major
happening
with
e-bikes
and
and
transportation,
or
something
like
that
that
we
wouldn't
know
of,
because
we're
only
looking
at
our
minutes.
H
Sure
there's
the
Colorado
change
in
in
the
2018
Colorado,
and
then
there
was
after
that
Colorado
State
change,
then
local
other
local
jurisdictions
made
changes
in
how
they
view
e-bikes
and
to
the
point
where
Boulder
County
allows
e-bikes
on
a
good
portion
of
airplanes.
Trails
Jefferson
County
has
since
followed
suit
with
that
too.
So
those
are
three
major
changes
that
have
been
made
since
the
2018
decision
and.
E
This
this
staff
memo
that
I'm,
referring
to
from
2018
to
the
board
I,
did
address
that
because
the
state
measure
was
just
passed
and
it
says
the
recent
state
regulatory
changes
have
in
particular
created
a
need
for
agencies
who
had
not
already
addressed
e-bikes
to
do
so,
as
the
regulation
now
allows.
Municipalities
on
I'm
sorry
now
allows
e-bikes
on
Trails
unless
they
are
not
allowed
by
local
regulation.
Okay,
so
the
state
said
the
locality
needs
to
decide
whether
in
fact
they
are
or
not
allowed.
G
That's
correct
and
it
changed
the
classification
of
e-bikes
from
being
classified
as
a
motor
vehicle
to
to
not
be
classified
as
another
vehicle,
so
the
the
a
lot
of
the
history
that
you
described
was
prior
to
or
pray
that
2018
correct
State
decision
and,
as
Dan
said,
other
municipalities
or
other
land
manager
agencies
have
made
changes
and
we've
presented
that
as
part
of
our
research
and
part
of
our
evaluation
of
bringing
this
forward.
G
I
think
the
other
thing,
especially
in
looking
at
the
photo
the
evolution
of
e-bikes,
is,
has
changed.
The
conversation
as
well
I
think
when
the
issue
was
brought
in
2013
and
2014,
it
really
was
a
transportation
issue
and
focused
on
Urban
Mobility.
G
More
recently,
there
is
interest,
as
well
as
a
desire
expressed
by
community
members,
to
continue
to
use
their
open
space
or
our
open
space
by
using
e-bikes
I
used
to
use
regular
bikes,
they're
shifting
to
e-bikes,
and
they
request
that
access.
So
that
was
another
reason
why
we
thought
it
was
time
to
bring
this
issue
forward
and
we've
provided
a
lot
of
information
in
the
materials
over
the
past
several
months.
G
I
There
are
two
fundamental
questions
in
my
mind
that
one
that
Karen
has
already
articulated,
which
is
our
e-bikes
electric
motor,
assisted
bikes,
considered
passive
preparation.
The
other
and
I.
Think
more
fundamental
question
is
the
role
of
a
charity
and
whether,
in
fact,
staff
or
Council
under
a
legislative
finding
can
change
the
language
in
the
charter
and
I
think
that,
in
fact,
is
one
of
the
things
that
we
need
to
discuss
as
a
board
this
evening
that
the
charter
language
does
not
identify
e-bikes
nor
motorized
activity
and
I.
I
Think
from
my
perspective
that
that's
the
fundamental
question
who
gets
to
change
the
language
of
the
charter.
J
Can
I
ask
how
those
things
are?
Those
documents
are
connected
because
we
talk
about
the
charter
as
the
constitution
of
city
of
Boulder
open
space,
which
I
think
you
you
emailed
this
back
out
says
here's
the
allowed
uses
of
open
space,
passive
Recreation,
including
bicycles,
yet
yet
passive
Recreation
is
not
defined.
This
is
my
understanding.
I'm
no
lawyer,
so
I
think
Janet
Michaels
is
on
here
and,
and
the
visitor
master
plan
is
what
goes
as
far
as
saying
no
no
motorized
vehicles.
J
That
I
think
that's
my
understanding
and
they
think
that's
correct.
It
is
my
understanding
but
I
think
that's
correct.
So
we
have
the
charter
and
then
we
have
this.
What
I
think
is
a
policy
document
that
interprets
the
charter
and
and
and
if
I
understand,
that
order
we're
not
asking
to
change
the
charter.
We're
asking
to
change
the
policy.
Slash
interpretation
is
that
is
that
what
you're
asking
for
Marnie?
J
J
Charter
change,
because
a
charter
change
is
a
degree,
is
a
massive,
you
know,
lift,
but
the
charter
doesn't
say:
e-bikes
are
not
an
allowed
use.
The
charter
says
passive.
Recreation
is
an
allowed
use.
It's
the
visitor
master
plan.
That
goes
as
far
as
to
spell
out
non-motorized
vehicles.
I
J
I
Okay,
well
then,
I
Michelle
I
think
that,
hopefully,
the
conversation
this
evening
will
elucidate
that,
so
that
you
can
either
understand
it
or
or
not.
From
my
perspective,
the
intent
of
the
language
in
the
charter
was
always
non-motorized,
human-powered,
Recreation,
yes
and
and
yeah.
That
I
think
the
word
passive
certainly
constitutes
that,
and
so
for
me.
I
If,
if
we
look
at
motorbikes
as
an
extension
of
bicycles,
then
that
does
require
a
chart
of
change
that
that
is
not
a
policy
decision
because
of
the
of
the
element
of
motorization
and
and
yeah
the
the
back.
Historically,
it
may
have
only
been
gas
powered
boaters
at
that
time
that
were
considered,
but
electric
power
motors
are
equal
and
you
know
any
mechanical
motor
assistance.
I
think
is
not
certainly
in
the
spirit
or
the
intent
of
the
charter.
I
Having
said
that,
I
think
there
is
a
discussion,
though,
about
what
we
can
do
moving
forward,
and
my
feeling
is
is
that
the
prohibition
remains,
but
that
we
do
more,
specifically
Define
the
role
of
exceptions
and
I
do
disagree,
but
with
the
staff's
analysis
of
exceptions
in
the
ordinance,
which
is
the
legislative
policy
making.
This
other
implementation
of
the
charter,
language,
the
Exceptions.
There
are
exceptions
for
phishing,
which
is
identified
in
the
charter.
I
There
are
exceptions
for
sledding
which
not
is
identified
the
charter,
and
so
there
are
all
sorts
of
exceptions
in
city
ordinances
related
to
Open,
Space
Management,
and
so
we
as
a
board
this
evening,
could
consider
that
as
well.
If
we,
if
we
want
to
move
in
that.
H
J
So
I
always
want
to
say
that
I'm
extremely
literal,
so
I
read
the
bullet
points
over
and
over
again,
and
you
know
I
just
you
know
what
I
take
away.
The
the
visitor
master
plan
is
what
has
taken
that
interpretation
of
passive
Recreation.
That
visitor
master
plan
is
now
15
years
old.
Is
that
right
is
it?
Is
it
18
years
old
when.
E
Was
that
we
we
originally
did
that
it
was
approved
by
Council
in
2005,
but
let
me
just
clarify
a
word
that
you
use
since
we're
yeah
sure
inevitably
get
into
words
this
evening.
But
what
it
says
in
the
visitor
master
plan
is
passive.
Recreation
is
defined
as
non-motorized
activities
agreed
I'm
with
you
there.
So
it's
a
definition.
It's
not
an
interpretation.
It's
a
definition.
It's
a.
J
G
G
Gonna
we'd
updated
every
five
years,
so
language
in
the
visitor
master
plan
indicates
that
it
would
be
updated
every
five
years.
I
I
The
board
is
act,
are
we,
as
the
board
is
charged
with
interpreting
the
chartered
language
as
well.
J
My
interpretation
of
the
charter
language
is
that
it
is
defining.
It
is
saying,
passive
Recreation
what
what
uses
are
acceptable
on
open
space,
and
so
that's
when
we
keep
saying
that
we're
we're
changing
the
charter,
language
I.
That
is
not
how
this
computes
in
my
head
and
and
I'm
I'm,
being
very
literal
here.
So
when
we,
you
know
when
we
take
this
visitor
master
plan,
that
is
now
like
13
years
past
being
updated.
J
What
has
changed
in
13
years?
In
theory?
Could
the-
and
this
is
in
theory?
Could
the
definition
baked
within
the
visitor
master
plan
have
changed
to
include
something
like
e-bikes.
G
And
the
definition
of
passive
recreation
in
both
documents
are
our
department,
approved
or
department
created
and
approved
by
Council
or
adopted.
G
We
change
a
little
bit,
which
is
why,
in
looking
at
the
research
or
in
researching
and
taking
a
look
at
the
charter,
taking
a
look
at
the
policy
documents
Council,
it
rests
with
counsel
and
they
can
make
a
legislative
finding
so
again
we're
before
you
tonight
to
with
the
research
and
the
information
that
we've
heard
from
our
community
members
and
from
our
partners
who
have
been,
who
have
allowed
e-bikes
for
the
past
several
years
now
through
three
four
five
years
to
to
focus
our
efforts
tonight
and
on
the
recommendations
before
you
so
I.
G
I
I
am
I'd
like
to
continue
the
conversation,
but
I
also
feel
like.
We've.
We've
presented
this
a
couple
times
and
I'm
I
think
you
know
what
what
we've
shared
and
our
interpretation
and
I
think
we
understand
where
you're
coming
from
so
I'm.
L
What
I
have
with
the
legislative?
Finding
you
know
you
go
back
to
the
legislative
history
and
we're
talking
about
open
space
right
now,
and
it
appears
that
the
history
of
open
space
has
stayed
steadfast
Within
wanting
passive
Recreation
to
be
non-motorized.
L
So
when
Karen
went
back
through
and
did
all
the
research
to
make
a
legislative
finding,
Colorado
did
different
in
2018,
but
as
far
as
Within
osbt
osmp,
these
findings
show
to
be
I
mean.
Obviously
someone
else
can
have
an
opinion,
but
it
seems
like
it's.
It's
non-wavering
that
passive
Recreation
is
non-motorized,
but
if
someone
else
heard
something
different,
please
I
I
would
agree
with.
E
That
statement
Caroline,
but
let
me
read
one
other
sentence
from
this:
2018
staff
memo,
but
just
a
sec
John
that
that
is
countered
to
or
adds
to
what
you
just
said.
It
says:
Boulder
County,
open
space
parks
and
open
space
recommendations
includes
allowing
e-bikes
on
the
Longmont
to
Boulder
Lobo
Trail,
which
we
all
know.
E
Although
this
Trail
is
interconnected
with
osmp
landslash
Trails,
there
are
alternative
routes
along
the
way
e-bikers
can
take
to
avoid
traveling
on
osmp
lands,
so
in
2018
staff
was
stating
that
that
the
County
had
agreed
that
a
connection
to
osmp
Trails
was
not
essential,
but
the
connection
could
be
made
along
alternative
routes.
I.
L
D
One
of
the
reasons
why
was
the
you
know
the
county
was
trying
to
allow
e-bikes?
You
know
on
on
their
planes,
trails
and
Lobo
was
their
highest
ass
like
local
was
the
trail
that
they
want
like.
That
was
very,
very
important
and
there
were
alternative
ways,
and
so
we
had
they
had
agreed
to
take
off.
You
know
all
the
trails
in
the
South,
you
know
because
they
were
interconnected
because
those
those
lead
directly
on
to
our
our
system,
there's
no
there's
absolutely
no
other
way.
D
Right
and
and
Boulder
Canyon
same
thing,
there's
absolutely
no
other
way
and
we
were
trying
to
honor
where
Boulder
County
wanted
to
go
and
the
trails
that
they
really
wanted
to
include
in
the
recommendation,
and
so
we
did
say
yes,
people
could,
if,
with
the
right
the
right
signage
enforcement
has
been
an
issue
but
that
they
could
get
off
and
take
a
road.
It
is
unsafe
and
there
are
other
complications
with
that.
D
F
K
First,
I
want
to
thank
staff
for
all
your
hard
work
on
getting
the
project
to
this
point,
allowing
e-bikes
on
open
space
Trails
is
a
small
but
important
step
toward
reducing
greenhouse
gas
missions.
Reducing
vehicle
miles
traveled
and
helping
the
city
meet
our
climate
change
goals
will
allow
people
to
continue
to
enjoy
the
outdoors
as
they
age
or
have
disabilities.
K
I
know
everyone
here
has
their
own
opinion
on
this,
but
I
think
it's
report
important
that
we
respect
staff's
time
and
hard
work
on
this
and
weigh
in
on
your
recommendation.
We
also
owe
it
to
the
public.
We
spent
several
meetings
on
this
over
the
last
few
months
and
I
believe
we
have
plenty
of
information.
I
would
like
admit
to
make
a
motion
that
we
recommend
that
Boulder
City
Council
allow
class
one
and
two
e-biking
is
a
passive
recreational
activity
permissible
and
open
space
Trails
were
designated
by
the
city
manager
per
the
proposed
ordinance.
K
E
E
F
K
E
K
J
Yeah
I
guess
I
would
like
to
add.
You
know
that
passive
Recreation
is
this,
this
term
that
we
came
up
with,
and
you
know
when
I
go
trail,
running
I,
don't
say:
hey
I'm
gonna
go
passively,
recreate
it's
just
not
something.
That's
a
Common,
Language
term
and
I
think
you
all
are
right
that
it's
up
to
this
board
to
interpret
what
what
does
that
mean
to
us
and
what
does
it
mean
to
us
today?
J
The
visitor
master
plan
is
now
way
overdue.
An
update
and
I
know
that
we
were
going
to
have
it
on
our
plan,
some
sometime
and
I,
hopefully
in
my
tenure,
and
we
were
going
to
call
it
a
recreation
plan
rather
than
a
visitor
master
plan.
I'd
rather
keep
it
the
name
the
same.
So
people
understand
what
that
we're
talking
about
the
same
document
but
I
mean
I.
J
You
know
and
it
conforms
to
state
law-
and
you
know
the
visitor
master
plan
he's
18
years
old
and
and
and
quite
frankly,
e-bikes
were
not
a
thing
back
then,
even
though
they
existed,
they
were
not
a
thing
and
they
were
definitely
not
common
today,
particularly
in
an
environment
where
we
see
our
community
asking
for
this
and
so
I
I
I
support,
considering
e-bike
use
as
passive
Recreation.
I
Michelle,
let
me
let
me
offer
my
definition
of
passive
just
so
you
understand
and
it's
very
simple:
it's
not
motorized,
so
when
you're
out
running
you're
you're
actively
enjoying
open
space
but
in
a
non-motorized
condition.
F
E
There's
only
one
other
aspect
of
this
question
that
I
that
I
want
to
speak
to,
and
that
is
the
views
of
the
Aging
population
in
Boulder
and
I.
Think
the
intercept
survey
has
ample
data
to
show
that
for
people
60
years
of
age
and
older
there's
an
equal
number
of
people
that
agree
with
no
e-biking
and
that
agree
with
e-biking.
So
it's
not
something
that
they
quote.
Aging
population
is
in
favor
of
according
to
the
intercept
survey.
E
The
Intercept
survey
shows
that
the
respondents
from
age
18
to
29
and
30
to
59
are
the
ones
that
want
e-biking
more
than
nobody
biking.
So
attribution
to
an
aging
population
is
inappropriate
in
this
case,
based
on
The
Intercept
survey,
data.
J
E
So
we
could,
we
could
Duke
out
what
what
an
aged
person
is
or
what
an
aging
person
is,
but
I'm
just
saying
what
the
data
shows
and.
I
As
far
as
climate
action
is
concerned,
let's
be
clear:
we're
the
open
space
board
is
I'm
sure,
unanimously
unanimously
in
support
of
accessing
the
open
space
in
Mountain
Park
system
by
bicycle
and
e-bike.
So
if
there's
a
concern
about
the
climate
impacts,
certainly
that
is
something
that
we're
all
supportive
of
so
e-bike.
Access
to
open
space
Trailhead
is
absolutely
media,
supported
by
all
of.
E
E
E
K
J
Question
about
business
here
when
how
would
we
add
any
sort
of
color
to
this
divided
vote
for
what
whatever
steps
happen?
Next.
E
We
are
required
by
our
agreements
past
agreements
that
when
there
are
no
votes,
we
will
explain
why
there
are
no
votes
in
a
phrase
or
a
sentence.
Is
that
what
you're
referring
to
Michelle?
Are
you.
J
Yeah
I
think
when,
in
our
our
board
procedures,
when
we
talk
about
a
dissenting
opinion,.
J
E
H
So
there's
two
areas
where
this
could
be
documented:
one
is
in
the
minutes
itself
and
then
the
second
would
be
in
the
council
memo
in
which
we
would
have
a
separate
section
on
board
deliberations
and
decisions,
and
the
of
both
both
the
well.
There
might
be
several
motions,
but
I'll
be
documented
in
that
memo.
With
the
brief
explanation,
so,
council
is
made
aware
of
the
discussion
as
well,
so
I
I
view
them
viewed.
H
There's
two
Avenues
one
is
within
the
minutes
itself
of
the
meeting
and
then
within
the
board,
deliberation
section
of
the
council
memo
and.
M
I
I
A
I
can
summarize
it
if
you've
like
I'd
like
Janet,
to
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
generally,
we
wouldn't
put
emotion
in
when
it
doesn't
pass,
but
I
think
what
you're
saying
is.
We'd
still
include
it
in
the
minutes
because
you'd
like
for
it
to
be
captured
for
us
and
then
for
Council
right
and
then,
if
I'm
hearing
correctly,
then
like
it
to
be
summarized
why
two
were
in
favor
and
three
were
not
right.
A
E
J
And
I
hate
I,
don't
want
to
speak
for
you
John,
but
I'll
I'll.
Just
I'll.
Do
my
my
thoughts
and
you
can
you.
I
E
Okay,
Michelle
and
John.
Do
you
want
to
State
why
you
voted
in
favor.
J
I
I
don't
believe
that
passive
Recreation
is
defined
in
the
charter.
It
is
defined
in
the
visitor
master
plan
as
a
policy.
J
J
K
K
So
Michelle
would
you
agree
it's
up
to
council
to
determine.
I
L
E
L
Oh
2005.,
no,
this
is
the
2000..
Does
that
does
the
2005
from
what
you
looked
at
use
the
word
invite
in
any
work.
J
L
E
K
Part
two
I
didn't
know:
do
we
want
to
discuss
that
a
little
more
or
do
we
just
want
to
dive
in
and
take
a
vote
I'm
happy
to
make
a
motion
on
part
two
of
Michelle.
J
Yeah
I'll
I'll,
move
on
on
the
second
part
of
that
I'd
like
to
recommend
the
osmp
department
proceed
with
the
staff
preferred
alternative
with
the
addition
of
Chapman
Drive
and
Wonderland
Lake.
E
N
J
I
think
the
the
Chapman
Drive
belongs
after
Boulder
Canyon
Trail.
I
E
E
I
would
say:
I
would
say
the
hyphen
that
separates
the
fraternity
B.
The
definition
of
alternative
B
is
Plains
Trails,
located
east
of
Broadway
that
allow
biking
and
the
Boulder
Canyon
Trails
for
Trail
or
e-biking,
and
then
I
put
the
other
hyphen
there
so
that
you've
separated
off
the
definition
of
alternative
B.
A
J
I
J
Yeah
as
long
as
I
have
those
as
long
as
that's
the
proper
name,
I,
don't
know
if
it's
really
the
proper
name
of
Wonderland
Lake
Trail,
but.
J
Yeah,
that's
that's
that's
what
I
meant
is
the
Foothills
Trail,
the
the
portion
and
I?
Don't
know
if
you
have
that
map,
but
the
portion
that
comes
from
the
parking
lot.
It
goes
all
the
way
up
to
the
Foothills
Park
and.
J
Yeah
to.
G
Come
on
did
I
get
it
there
we
go
so
I
think
you
are
looking
at.
Where
your
hand
is
that's.
E
G
F
G
I
And
it's
from
the
weather
in
the
Lake
trailhead
to
Four
Mile
Canyon.
Q
E
F
K
K
H
The
role
the
rule
making
Authority
is
part
of
the
first
motion.
E
O
E
Ready
to
vote,
let's
call:
okay,
John,
yes,
Dave,
no
Caroline,
no
Michelle,
yes
and
I
vote!
No
as
well.
M
E
K
I
mean
I
have
some
comments.
I
would
add
on
why
I
supported
the
motion.
If
we
want
to
jump
to
that,
maybe
that
will
inspire
you
go
ahead.
K
K
K
And
Chapman
Drive,
step
and
drive
is
the
perfect
place
for
e-bike,
so
allow
a
great
loot
from
the
city
and
the
vulneres.
K
J
Yeah
I
would
say
that
it
provides
our
community
Equitable
access
to
open
space.
J
I
don't
know
if
I
can
add
this
at
this
point,
but
I
would
like
us
just
to
consider
at
some
point
in
time
I'm
doing
a
pilot
to
consider
those
Trails
West
of
Broadway
36.
J
Doesn't
really
explain
my
vote,
but
I
think
it
goes
to
what
you
were
saying:
John
about
option,
A
support
for
option,
A.
D
L
C
L
That
the
way
that
I
had
it
worded
in
my
head
was
if
it
is
in
fact
the
first
sentence
that
John
said
that
there
was
overwhelming
community
support
for
option
A
and
B,
which
was
a
survey.
Is
it
a
fact
that
85
of
open
space
users
are
pedestrians?
Is
that.
L
E
I
Are
results
from
two
different
surveys
with
two
different
methodologies
and,
and
it
may
not
be
Apples
to
Apples,
but
I
I
would
question
the
overall.
The
overwhelming
Community
Support
I
think
came
from
the
self-selected
respondents.
R
K
J
J
I
Like
to
change
my
vote,
but
you're
gonna
have
to
change
the
motion.
Thank
you.
I
I,
just
don't
want
this
to
be,
you
know
a
PhD
thesis
as
far
as
why
we
did
whatever
we
did.
My
my
basic
thing
is
that
it
doesn't
meet
the
the
charter,
language
and
so
to
approve
this
motion
when
we
don't
think
that
it
meets
the
charter
language
it
is,
it's
irrelevant,
doesn't
meet
the
federal
language,
and
so
it's
it's
not
appropriate.
E
Okay,
I
guess
I'd
like
to
add
more
than
just
that,
okay
and
you
might
want
to
think
about
how
to
convert
that
step
just
a
little
bit
better
before
we
come
back
well,
a
part
of
my
what
I
want
to
go
to
is
in
the
in
the
memo
for
this
meeting.
E
And
and
for
for
hikers
to.
L
I
think
it
overlaps
too,
when
John
was
talking
about
the
bikers
being
on
the
streets
and
not
being
dangerous
for
them.
It's
dangerous
for
the
austrians
on
the
trail,
just
due
to
laws
of
acceleration
and
deceleration
right.
If
you
are
just
walking
on
your
feet
and
you
are
hit
by
something
going
20
miles
an
hour,
that's
very
dangerous!.
J
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
you're
making
the
case
to
not
have
any
wiggle
room
at
all,
Dave
I'm,
looking
at
you
to
provide
any
exceptions
and
that's
fine
and
keep
on
typing,
but
that's
that's.
How
I
interpret
how
this
is
going?
Well,
your
interpretation.
F
I
Q
I
E
F
L
Notification
I'm
trying
to
remember
was
it
the
motion
above
when
you
were
talking
about
the
Rocky
Mountain
Green
movement.
What
what.
F
K
L
The
the
language
of,
or
the
words
Regional
Trail
connectivity,
what
to
consider
something
like
that
down
below
that
was
all
I
needed.
Yeah
I
just
didn't
remember
what
that
exactly.
E
F
L
L
She
looks
confused,
she
looks
like
Marie.
These
scooters
were
prohibited,
yes,
okay,
so
that
that's
correct.
G
D
E
F
E
F
E
F
I
But
before
I
do
that
I
gotta,
understand
part
of
my
emotion
band
would
be
to
repeal
and
remove
the
language
in
the
ordinance
on
disposal.
I
Says
you
know
how
disposal
of
open
space
is
necessary
that
language,
so
part
of
the
motion,
is
to
repeal
that
language,
and
the
concern
I
have
is
that
we
did
not
support
the
staff's
recommendation
where
that
language
was
deleted
from
the
ordinance.
So
do
we
need
to
make
that
motion
to
delete
that
language
on
on
the
need
to
dispose
in
order
to
have
e-bikes
operate
on
open
space?
It.
I
Open
space,
my
emotion
is
going
to
speak
to
that.
My
question
is
I'm.
Sorry,
your,
but
my
question
is:
do
we
have
to
repeat
have
language
that
repeals
the
existing
language
on
disposal.
G
It
sounds
like,
maybe
you
could
amend
it
instead
of
repeal
it
I'm
not
sure.
Well,.
I
D
D
I've
been
I've
been
writing
that
that
all
together,
I
I
think
it
would
probably
be
good
to
make
that
in
the
motion
so
that,
because
our
well
I
don't
know
I
prefer
to
Janet
on
that
I
I.
You
know,
I
I
know
what
you're.
I
So
the
motion
is
to
move
to
recommend
the
city
council.
The
following
the
open
space.
Board
of
Trustees
recommends
that
language
in
the
current
code,
BRC
7-5-25,
titled,
no,
electric
assisted
bicycles
on
open
space
and
then
I
quote
the
entire
thing.
No
person
shall
activate
the
motor
of
an
electric,
assisted
bicycle
on
any
recreational
path
or
Trail
on
open
space.
I
Land
is
defined
in
the
city
Charter
section
170,
except
where
the
panther
Trail
has
been
transferred
to
a
city
Department
pursuant
to
Chapters
or
Charters,
section
177
quote:
disposal
of
open
space,
land
or
section
8-811
transfer
of
open
space
lands,
BRC
1981
and
then
the
ordinances
that
were
listed,
7
79,
41,
79,
65,
8807
and
80
44
7.
Dash
be
repealed
and
removed
from
all
applicable
city
ordinances,
so
that
language
is
repealed.
F
I
I
That's
the
first
part
of
the
motion
so
further.
The
open
space
Board
of
Trustees
recommends
that
the
following
language
be
inserted
into
BRC.
Will
the
revised
code
7-5
net
25
titled,
no,
electric
motor,
assisted
bicycles
on
open
space?
This
is
the
language
electric
motor
assisted
bicycles
are
prohibited
on
open
space
in
Mountain,
Parks
lands
period.
Electric
motor
assisted
bicycles
are
not
identified
or
delineated
as
passive
recreational
use
in
article
12,
section
176
CE
of
the
city
Charter.
I
So
that
is
the
first
motion
and
then,
interestingly
enough,
I
have
a
second
one
yeah.
Let's.
I
I
I
want
to
get
rid
of
any
reference
to
the
need
to
dispose
open
space
in
order
to
provide
opportunities
for
e-bike
use
on
open
space
trails
in
this
ordinance
language
says,
so
we
want
to
repeal
that
and
actually
that
supports
the
staff
recommendation
to
revise
the
language
in
the
ordinance.
It's
it's
all.
It
does
is
specifically
say
we
want
to
get
rid
of
that
language
and
then
what
I?
I
What
I'm
suggesting
is
that
we
say
that
e-bikes
are
prohibited
on
open
space
because
they
don't
meet
passive
recreational
use
as
as
defined
in
the
charter
and
then
in
motion
two
which
will
come
up
then
we'll
deal
with
some
other
issues,
but
I'm
I'm
trying
to
be
clear
that
you
either
we're
going
to
say
electric
motor,
assisted
bicycles,
our
approved,
or
they
are
prohibited
and
and
they're
prohibited,
because
they're
not
delineated
as
a
passive
recreational
use
in
the
city.
Charter.
E
It's
9
10
at
this
point.
Let.
I
Is
going
to
be
the
use
of
exceptions
and.
F
I
One
of
the
things,
though,
we're
concerned
about,
is
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
alternatives
to
open
space
Trails
for
e-bikes
are
definitely
considered
and
and
determined
or,
as
it
says,
we're
a
Regional
Trail
needs
access
to
sections
of
Open,
Space
Trail
to
enable
connectivity
and
continuity
and
then
we're
special
designations
and
enforcement
requirements
have
been
determined
necessary
to
meet
land
protection,
natural
resource
and
visitor
management
goals
on
Open
Space,
Mountain,
Parks
lands
and
trails.
I
I
In
this
discussion,
from
my
perspective,
it's
not
a
car
wash
everything
east
of
Broadway.
This
means
that
there
are,
you
know,
specific
sections
of
open
space
trails
that
are
evaluated
and
determined
to
meet.
You
know,
I,
don't
know,
did
you
just
have
the
bullets?
The
bullet
should
be
there.
No,
you
don't.
I
I
And
safety
comedy
accommodating
bikes
without
impact,
you
know,
uses
maintenance
requirements
and
designation
for
responsibility
for
maintenance
and
enforcement
requirements,
including
speed
limits
for
banks.
So
those
were
some
of
the
suggestions
that
I
had
that
I
thought
we
might
discuss.
If
we
want
to
pursue
this
when
that
determination
by
staff
is
being
made.
So
it
means
bullets
aren't
intended
to
guide
that
foreign.
I
F
M
E
Okay,
if
we're
going
to
take
a
break
now,
can
anybody
guide
us
to
where
there
are
restrooms
in
this
building
I.
H
This
I'm
just
wondering
before
we
have
a
second
if
we
maybe
want
to
because
I
know,
there's
a
lot
in
here
with
and
whether
we
want
maybe
Janet
to
have
an
opportunity
to
see.
If
all
this
would
would
work.
Is
that?
Would
you
like
that
opportunity
as
a
board
just
to
make
sure.
D
E
Thank
you,
okay,
where's
Dave
I
thought
he
just
he's
doing
something
there.
He
is
okay,
Dave.
We
have
your
motion,
I,
think
on
the
table.
E
Okay,
so
now
that
you've
seen
the
whole
thing
and
I'm
going
to
turn
to
John
and
say:
can
we
go
back
and
deal
with
these
one
at
a
time.
E
E
I
I
have
I
have
some
real
problems
with
with
the
language
of
the
second
motion,
so
I
just
wanted
to
Daylight
that,
because
it's
amending
the
boulder
Revised
Code,
the
city
attorney's
office,
has
the
the
final
say
in
the
language
and
I'm
happy
to
go
through
and
tell
you
what
the
issues
are.
We
would
have
to
change
it.
Some
of
the
things
in
order
to
present
or
I
would
be
telling
city
council
that
we
would
be
changing
the
language
that's
proposed
so
that
it's
consistent
and
and
it's
language
that
can
be
enforced.
E
E
F
F
I
Michelle
I
just
didn't
want
to
leave
this
language
hanging
there,
because
I
think
it's
extremely
important
and
I
think
the
staff
thought
it's
that
as
well.
But
since
we
did
not
accept
the
staff
recommendation,
then
there
is
no
action
that
the
board
has
taken
to
repeal
that
language,
and
so
this
is
an
effort
to
make
sure
that
disposal
language
gets
repealed.
K
E
I
I
have
one
question:
if,
if
Janet,
if
we
approve
this
language
and
then
go
to
the
second
motion
and
say
there
are
exceptions
were
designated,
can
we
do
that?
It's
you
know
with
Clarity
or
consistency.
E
When
we
go
to
city
council,
we
can
make
it
clear
that
it
was
a
package
and
you
could
even
say
on
the
record
that
it's
a
package
that
they
are
interrelated.
Okay,
the
I
I,
don't
know
if
I
want.
If
you
would
like
me
to
tell
you
the
the
issues
I
have
with
the
second
part
of
that
language
now,
because
maybe
you'd
like
to
do
an
amendment
to
the
language.
E
I
E
So
I
would
offer
some
changes
to
delete
open
space
and
Mountain
parks
and
insert
open
space
lands
as
defined
in
City
Charter,
section
170.,
because
there's
nothing
in
the
Boulder
Revised
Code.
That's
really
called
open
space
in
Mountain
Park's
land,
so
I'm
just
tying
it
to
the
language
of
the
charter.
F
E
E
I
Yeah
I
I
changed
the
title
of
seven
to
25
by
adding
motor.
I
So
if
the
board
passes
this,
we
just
did
didn't
we
if
the
board
passes
this
again
with
the
word
motor
in
it.
What
does
that
mean.
E
I
I
It's
still
not
consistent
with
the
code.
You
better
delete
it
everywhere.
G
F
F
I
So
I
move
the
open
space
recommends
that
the
following
language-
Revised,
Code,
7-5-25,
titled,
no
electric
assistant,
bicycles
on
Open,
Space,
Electric,
assisted
bicycles-
are
prohibited.
Let
me
I'll
keep
going
I
prohibited
on
open
space
lands.
It's
defined
at
City,
Charter,
section
170.,
operation
of
an
electric
system
assisted
by
sickle,
is
not
defined
as
passive
recreational
use
in
article
12,
section,
176,
C
of
the
city
Charter.
I
What
I
was
going
to
suggest
Lea
is
if
we
can
make
a
paragraph,
starting
with
the
second
sentence
there,
because
we're
talking
about
the
title,
and
then
this
is
the
language.
H
Yeah
yeah
and.
E
E
Exactly
what
you
have
in
the
second
part
that
that
second
paragraph
so
you're,
what
you're
recommending
I'm
not
being
clear?
What
you're
recommending
is
the
catchphrase
or
the
the
title
of
it,
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
make
that
clear
ly.
Maybe
that
they're
recommending
the
title
be
changed.
I
E
Okay,
have
we
read
it
adequately?
Leah
yeah,
okay,.
E
Okay:
okay,
any
other
questions
before
we
vote.
F
E
J
I
I
F
E
I
K
E
E
The
Alternatives
would
be
that
somebody
gets
off
a
trail
and
goes
onto
a
road,
so
I'm
not
sure
what
I
would
I
would
like
to
understand
to
help
frame
the
language
I'd
like
to
understand
what
your
concept
is
with
that
with
there
being
no
alternatives,
and
then
a
regional
Trail
needs
access
to
a
short
segment.
So
that's
the
one.
E
R
E
I
Do
this,
so
the
concept
is
that
on
multi-jurisdictional
Trails,
you
know
that
there
are
different
jurisdictions
that
are
managing
parts
of
some
of
these
trails,
and
so
in
the
in
those
cases,
are
some
of
those
cases.
I
Whereas
a
section
of
an
open
space
Trails
required
to
make
you
know
to
enable
connectivity
and
contribution
contiguity,
then
that
would
be.
That
should
be
considered
as
a
possible
exception
to
the
prohibition
and
the
thing
an
Alternatives
is
that
that
I
don't
think
we
ought
to
just
kind
of
axiomatically
say
well,
you
know
it's.
It's
kind
of
like
the
boulder
Eerie
railroad
rate.
O
I
Know,
oh
there's
railroad
grade.
We
can
just
put
it
there,
even
though
they're
bisex
a
really
important
part
of
the
open
space
system
when,
in
fact,
if
you
looked
at
the
right-of-way
on
Belmont
Road,
you
know
there
that
could
accommodate
the
re,
a
Regional
Trail
connection,
and
so
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at
is
that
it
just
because
an
Open
Space
Trail
will
mess,
might
necessarily
do
that.
That
doesn't
mean
that
the
other
alternative
shouldn't
be
examined
and
determined
in
the
determination
made
on
their
appropriateness.
I
E
But
it
helped
to
have
more
concrete
examples
you
mean
like,
including,
but
not
limited
to.
What
might
help
is
to
just.
This
is
great
with
you
articulating
what
your
intention
is
and
then
understand
that
the
language
will
try
to
capture
that
concept,
that
we
make
a
wreck
that
we
recommend
to
city
council.
F
I
Well,
we
could
yeah
I'm
just
a
little
hesitant
to
get
rid
of
the
word
Alternatives,
although
I
definitely
hear
and
understand
what
you're
saying
I
just
want
to
make
sure
and
I
don't
know.
Maybe
the
bullets
below
kind
of
help
clarify
that,
but
I
just
think.
We
need
to
make
sure
that,
just
because
an
Open
Space
Trail
exists
in
a
certain
place
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
it
has
to
fulfill
the
desired
function.
If,
in
fact,
there
are
other
equally
satisfactory
alternatives.
I
And
particularly
where
such
activities
might
influence
or
impact,
you
know
some
of
the
things
that
are
listed
specifically
Below
in
the
bullets.
E
E
I
I
Well,
they
vary
I
mean
it
may
be
a
couple
hundred
yards,
it
may
be
half
a
mile
or
you
know
it.
You
look
at
I,
don't
know
Barney
if
you
want
to
bring
up
the
trail
map
again.
But
if
you
look
at
various
a
multi-jurisdictional
trails
they're
they
the
open
space
sections
on
those
Trails
varies
in
distance.
Are.
L
We
looking
for
a
plural
yeah
I'm,
just
trying
to
be
helpful,
plural
for
one
of
two
or
more
available
possibilities,
or
there
is
also
plural
for
someone
or
something
that
serves
as
substitute
departures
from
the
norm.
E
I
As
as
mining
zeroing
in
Janet,
when
my
my
feeling
is
that
it's
a
segment
required
to
you
know
make
the
connection
impact
come
to
you,
and
so
it
it
again,
it's
going
to
be
it's
going
to
vary,
and
it's
going
to
be
a
judgment.
Calm.
G
You
can
see
my
little
hand
there.
So
Pink
is
open
space
in
Mountain,
Park
and
then
you've
got
a
segment
of
Boulder,
County,
managed,
Trail
and
then
a
segment
of
city
of
Boulder,
open
space
and
do
we
know
scale
on
there.
G
I'm
sure
there
is
a
scale
going
back
and
forth
between
opening
there
we
go
so
gosh
somewhere
between
I
mean
this
segment
here
could
be
about,
looks
like
maybe
three
quarters
of
a
mile,
possibly.
G
And
then
another
segment-
that's
probably
about
a
half
mile
to
three
quarters
of
a
mile-
is
what
comes
to
mind.
There
are
some
other
segments
like
that.
It
might
be
worthwhile
to
think
about
like
down
in
in
this
area
here
with
the
transportation
trails
that
are
managed
by
transportation,
but
are
on
open
space
lands.
G
Trans
they
haven't
been
disposed
of,
though,
or
maintained
they're
maintained.
They
were
honestly
I,
think
constructed
and
built
by
I,
mean
you've
constructed
and
then
are
maintained
by
transportation,
and
these
ones
are
shorter
segments.
So
getting
to
the
point
of
like
short
versus
long,
if
you're
trying
to
Define
what
that
looks
like
I'm,
not
sure
if,
if
saying
seven,
you
know
less
than
a
month,
I'm
not
sure
if
you're
trying
to
get
to
a
certain
distance,
I.
E
Think
we
get
there
if
we
remove
the
word
short
yeah,
so
a
segment,
and
then
it
ties
in
with
your
contiguity
right.
So
it's
a
segment
necessary
to
enable
con
connectivity.
Stop
there
and
go
back
here.
G
Is
keep
going
down
yeah,
okay,.
E
Okay,
stop
is,
is
the
teller
Trail
and
the
gun
barrel
Trail?
Is
that
a
segment
or
is
that
more
than
a
segment
Janet
in
what
you're
thinking
I
think
what
we
need
to
do
is
not
call
it
short
or
long
or
just
say
that
it
if
it's
necessary
to
enable
connectivity
and
contiguity
so
I,
don't
know
that
a
distance
really
matters.
If,
if
one
of
the
elements
is
that
here's
a
segment
and
the
only
way
that
you
can
be
on
this
connected
Trail
is
to
cross
this
segment,
then
e-bikes
would
be
authorized
in
those
instances.
I
Because
it
has
to
be
multi-jurisdictional
so
that
may
be
two
miles:
East
Boulder,
teller.
F
Q
E
Q
These
ordinances
and
I,
just
like
at
10
o'clock
at
night
drafting,
coordinates
like.
Is
it
better
to
have
an
intent
to
really
clearly
State
the
intention
and
then
understand
that
ultimately,
city
attorney's
office
and
we'll
make
a
recommendation,
counsel
and
say
if
they
choose?
Is
that
kind
of
the
process?
I
think
that.
E
I
I,
don't
think
we
want
to
draft
ordinances
right
so
understanding
the
concept
is
very
helpful
and
then
what
we
would
say
is
the
open
space
Board
of
Trustees
recommended
this
city.
Attorney's
office
recommend
recommends
alternate
language
because
there
are
enforcement
issues
or
whatever.
So
we
could
take
your
concept
or
try
to
take
your
concept
and
put
it
into
language
that
is
hopefully
going
to
pass
constitutional
challenges
for
vagueness
for
vagueness,
ambiguity,
I,
don't
know
if
that
makes
sense,
but
yeah
you
don't
have
to
draft
the
exact
language
tonight.
Wait
my.
I
Goal
is
to
be
as
simple
and
clear
as
we
can.
You
know
so
that
we're
not
kind
of
coming
back
in
these
kind
of
conversations
later,
but
I
think
caring
for
better
for
worse
women
I
have
to
not
Define
what
a
segment
is.
L
R
G
I
So
multi-jurisdictional
is
one
of
the
factors.
I
F
I
I
J
E
H
F
E
E
For
law
school
and
then
when
I
I
would
finish
that
that
off
just
again
with
clarifying
having
a
consistency
of
definitions,
so
where
it's
open
space
and
management
goals
instead
of
saying
open
space
and
Mountain
park
lands,
we
would
say
on
any
recreational
path
or
Trail
on
open
space
land
as
defined
okay.
That's
fine.
A
M
J
Dave
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
respect
for
you
and
and
and
your
many
years
at
in
the
department
and
I
appreciate
you
making
an
attempt
to
compromise.
But
but
this
is
this
package
is
not
something
that
I
can
support.
L
E
I
E
I
Left
yeah,
so
it's!
This
is
a
new
one
and
I
don't
know.
Do
we
have
to
say
that
or
not,
but
that's
what
it
is
so
7A,
no
person
other
than
persons
authorized
by
the
city
manager,
shell
operate
an
electric
assisted,
bicycle
or
other
mechanized
power
assisted
vehicle
on
any
open
space
lands.
I
That's
defined
in
City,
Charter,
section
170,
except
where
a
multi-jurisdictional
Regional
Trail
required
access
to
a
segment
of
both
the
Space
Trail
to
enable
connectivity
and
continuity
and
where
special,
designation
and
enforcement
requirements
have
been
determined
necessary
to
meet
land
protection,
natural
resource
and
visitor
management
goals
on
any
recreational
path
or
Trail.
Baseland
is
defined
in
City
Charter
section
one
said:
I
hesitated
Leah,
because
we
need
to
remove
the
comma
after
natural
resource.
I
So
continuing
the
next
paragraph,
such
special
designation
will
be
based
on
and
include
the
following
criteria:
natural
and
cultural
resource
impacts,
evaluated
and
resolved,
multi-jurisdictional,
Trail
and
or
they
had
management.
I
What
Regional
Trail
connection
the
Regional
Trail
connection
suitable
Trail
width
15
feet
wide
to
allows
separate
pedestrian
bike,
Lanes
suitable
Trail,
surface
natural
surface
and
sustainably
a
kind
of
accommodate
specific
uses.
Safety
accommodate
bike
use
without
impacting
other
uses,
maintenance
requirements
in
a
designation
of
responsibility
for
maintenance
enforcement
requirements,
including
speed
limits
for
e-bikes.
F
J
I'm
I,
just
gonna,
ask
you
Dave,
under
suitable
trail
with
15
feet
wide
to
allow
pedestrian,
separate
pedestrian
and
bike
Lanes
I'm,
assuming
that
you
mean
that
there
would
be
a
separate
Lane
for
each
direction,
or
is
that
not
even
the
case
just
one
that
they
would
be
separated?
G
The
regional
trails
are
hpy,
that's
the
standard.
Is
a
pressure,
find
eight
foot
for
Boulder
County
Trails.
So
what.
G
They
well
because
I
was
thinking
about
the
connectivity
and
then
you
would
speak
to
the
whiff
of.
G
Trails
are
built
to
a
10-foot
standard
right,
so
the
15
foot
does
seem
a
little
wide.
Our.
Q
Q
Q
I
F
G
Just
for
point
of
clarification,
eight
to
ten
feet
is
what
and
shared
is
what
you're
thinking
right.
Yeah
I
mean
that
would
be
consistent
with
with
Trail
standards,
I
believe
of
both
the
city
and
the
county.
Q
F
Q
Q
E
J
So
what
is
the
standard
for
bike
Lanes?
Is
it
like
two
and
a
half
three
feet?
Does
that
give
five
feet
for
pedestrians.
G
Are
you
talking
about
multi
yeah,
just
on
a
multi-use
trail?
What
kind
of
the
multi-use
trails
are
generally
designed
to
accommodate?
G
Well,
multi-use
trails
are
designed
to
accommodate
the
mix
of
users,
and
eight
feet
is
generally
I
mean
without
pulling
up
the
standard.
I
would
suggest
Jeff's
got
the
standard.
G
Q
Like
I
said
the
city's
multi-use
path
and
we
could
have
a
pretty
long
conversation
on
because
10
foot
is
the
minimum,
and
that
goes
to
like
ashto
and
different
safety
guides,
where
you
have
buying
some
pedestrians,
rollerblades
dogs
on
leash,
stroller.
Anybody
that
might
be
using
that
pack
and
foot
is
kind
of
that
accepted
minimum,
sometimes
like
ash
toe,
is
a
different
standard
that
goes
downtown
and
that's
like
what
Martin
was
saying.
Q
Some
of
the
county
Trails
but
Karen
to
your
question
about
what's
the
appropriate
dimension
for
hikers
and
bikers
I
think
is
what
you're
asked
to
kind
of
coexist.
You
know
with
enough
space.
Q
A
lot
of
our
staff
would
even
say
you
know
some
of
our
trails
are
more
narrow
and
that
actually
isn't
a
benefit
because
it
encourages
and
forces
people
to
slow
down
and
I.
Think
we've
seen
that
on
multi-use
paths
and
trails
within
our
system.
There
are
some.
You
know,
like
the
person
commenting
earlier
during
public
comment
about
safety
issues.
That's
actually
a
benefit.
Q
Wider
doesn't
necessarily
mean
better
in
some
cases
where
you
have
a
more
narrow
Trail
than
that
forces,
speed,
control
and
safety
and
that
sort
of
thing,
but
the
standard
that
we
would
use
if
we
had
like
our
modeling
Trail
I,
think
it's
at
eight
seven
to
eight
feet
width,
but
it's
you
know
goes
up
to
like
10
feet.
It's
managed
for
vehicular
use,
so
I
think
those
are
the
the
types
of
trails
you're
considering
with
in
terms
of
that
Regional
connectivity.
G
E
J
Out
there
there
is
an
epic
and
there
is
like
an
order
to
that
right.
It's
not
to
say
that
everybody
follows
it,
but
I'll
tell
you
that
I
follow
it
and
my
kids
follow
it,
but
the
the
bike
yields
to
The
Pedestrian.
Oh
this.
Q
Q
And
I
would
probably
invite
you
know
either
Francis
or
call
some
of
our
human
Dimensions
to
our
Recreation
staff.
To
kind
of
talk
through
some
of
the
conflict
perceive
conflict
versus
what
we
see
you
know
and
how
that
how
that
works?
In
other
words,
are
we
seeing
a
lot
of
pedestrians
feeling
threatened
or
not
using
a
trail
because
of
bikes
or
they
well.
E
J
They
choose
to
not
go
there
because
of
also
like
traffic
crowding
of
lots
of
other
hikers.
There's
lots
of
they
don't
like
dogs.
There's
lots
of
reasons
why
people
choose
to
not
use
the
trail
anymore,
not
just
bikes
and
and
so
I
like
where
you're
going
Jeff
but
I
feel,
like
we've
covered
a
lot
of
that
material
about
conflicts
and
perceived
conflicts
of
the
the
study
in
Missoula
that
people
had
a
value,
a
social
value
conflict
and
that
they
they
perceived
conflict.
J
Because
of
that
social
value
difference,
we
saw
that
with
Missoula
and
and
bikers,
and
we
also
saw
it
wherever
that
was
with
oh
Yellowstone,
with
Backpackers
and
llamas.
They
had
a
different
value.
They
perceived
conflict,
even
though
it
hadn't
actually
happened
so
I
feel,
like
we've
covered,
that.
I
I'm,
okay,
with
eight
to
ten
feet:
I
I'm
I,
don't
think
we
want
to
make
massively
wide
Trails
and
if
there
are
conflicts
that
are
occurring,
then
we've
got
to
deal
with
those.
But
I
would
just
assume
you
know,
keep
it
at
the
standards
that
are,
you
know,
typically
used
or
that
we
tradition
to
use
can.
J
I
Well,
basically,
it's
one
that
won't
erode.
You
know
quickly,
so
it's
it!
It's
one
that
can
tolerate
multiple
uses
and
you
know
kind
of
continual
you
know
use
levels
over
time
so
that
it's
not
it's
not
required
to
have
maintenance.
L
I
Mean
Crusher
fines,
Crusher
fine
service
might
be
you
know,
appropriate
and
a
natural
surface
might
be
appropriate
if
you
know
if
it's
properly
constructed
and
stuff
I
just
want
to
make
sure
there's
a
distinction
between
paved
and
unpaved,
but
mostly
it's
whether
the
trail
surface
can
withstand
whatever
the
uses
are
in
a
you
know,
in
a
reasonable
time
frame.
Q
Yeah
again,
like
our
current
practices,
we
have
what
we
call
Trail
management
objectives
that
we
specify
like.
What's
the
designed
use
and
what's
the
manage
use
and
then
we
get
into
like
accessibility
or
we
are
we
managing
for
like
a
Mobility
device
like
a
wheelchair
and
having
the
right
slopes
and
services.
Q
I
A
lot
of
these
Jeff
are
kind
of
what
was
in
the
memo
wreck.
As
far
as
you
know,
criteria
that
staff
uses,
and
so
my
feeling
was
that
it's
you
know
it's
basically
what
you're
using.
A
Is
unmuted?
Okay,
I'm?
Sorry,
just
quickly
to
add
some
context
for
trails
that
we,
you
know
primarily
manage
bikes,
but
that
are
multi-use.
The
max
width
that
we
manage
for
osmp,
specific
Trail
standards.
That's
much
more
aligned
with
Forest
Service
Nationwide
standards
is
six
feet.
Max.
F
A
E
F
A
Maybe
just
reiterate
that
we,
the
human
Dimensions
Group,
did
pull
some
of
our
conflict
and
displacement
data.
That's
I
think
in
attachment
e.
So
you
know
we
are
measuring
things
like
displacement
and
you
know
it's
like
highest
areas
Chautauqua
where
bikes
are
not
allowed.
So
there's
not
a
very
direct
correlation
like
of
that
that
we're
seeing
in
our
business
or
data
yeah.
I
So
Francis
eight
to
ten
feet,
given
those
standards
certainly.
A
Mean
under
our
tmos
that
would
be
workable
if
we're
managing
authorized
Motor
Vehicles
on
that
trail
or
we're
managing
it
to
more
of
that
ashto
Greenway
standard,
very
inner
Department
too
much
Greenways.
So
you
know
it
is
workable.
I
think
the
question
is:
is
that
really
a
criteria
you
want
in
all
future
decisions.
J
All
right
so
I'm
trying
to
think
of
a
real
life
example
where
this
would
actually
happen.
Would
it
be
like
Chapman,
because
Chapman's
managed
for
Rhodes
it's
a
natural
service,
it's
wider
than
eight
to
ten
feet.
Would
it
is
there?
Are
there
any
other
real
life
examples,
because
this
motion
and
this
this
compromise
is
interesting,
but
only
interesting
if
you
can't
apply
it
to
any
actual
real
life
examples.
Q
J
And
you
can't
say
that
there
would
be
no
impact
to
any
other
uses.
Like
that's
an
absolute
statement.
Of
course,
there
will
be
some
impact
to
some
use
in
somebody's
perception,
but
I
I,
just
I
think
that
this
list
is
just
it's
a
an
interesting
gesture,
but
it's
not
actually
going
to
accomplish
anything.
And
if
that's
your,
that's
your
your
point
and
your
intent.
Okay,
fine,
but
but
just
know
that
we're
you're
you're,
creating
criteria.
That
basically,
is
saying
it's
it's
a
non-issue
anyway,
because
it
ain't
gonna
happen.
J
J
F
J
L
But
you're
saying
to
solve
the
problem,
you're
saying
that
it's
the
distance
of
the
trail
that
you
think
is
causing
both
users
to
not
be
able
to
coexist
well
right.
I
So
Karen,
what
I'm,
in
what
I'm?
Assuming?
Is
that
the
trails
that
we
are
targeting
in
this
particular
language,
our
multi-use,
Trails,
they're,
multi-jurisdictional,
Trails,
so
they've?
They
theoretically
meet
most
they're
all
of
these
standards,
and
so
we're
not
talking
about
three
foot
wide
Trails
we're
talking
about
Regional
Trails.
R
M
I
About
wide
Trails
and
and
so
I
I
think
we
we
agree
that
you
know
if
I
don't
know
Francis,
maybe
go
six
to
ten
all
right.
It's
something!
That's
mostly
just
to
say,
look.
There's
there's
got
to
be
sufficient
width
to
accommodate
multiple
uses.
Q
Q
With
whips
can
always
support
more
capacity,
I
mean
but
I
think
if
we
really
dive
into
a
conversation
that
like
Michelle's
bringing
up
and
then
Francis
is
chiming
in
there's
a
lot
of
factors
that
go
into
visitor
experience
and
say
correct,
that's
correct
and
I
think
if
Francis
were
to
speak
more
a
lot
of
the
data
we
see
in
at
and
you're
right.
Michelle
we've
mentioned
a
lot
of
this
in
previous
packets
and
yeah.
You
know
when
someone
is
on
a
trail,
maybe
they're,
hiking
or
running
pedestrian.
Q
There's
a
lot
that
goes
into.
Are
they
not
feeling
comfortable?
Are
they
feeling
discouraged
by
bike
use?
Are
they
choosing
to
go
to
another
place
because
by
I
think
there's
a
lot
that
goes
into
that
and
that's
why
I
was
saying
even
a
lot
of
times.
Adding
more
width
doesn't
necessarily
solve
a
problem
than
you.
Q
Yeah,
so
it's
a
real
tricky,
complicated,
it's
hard
to
say
yeah.
If
we
won't
have
Bikes,
let's
do
a
b
c
and
d
because,
especially
in
the
context
of
open
space,
a
lot
of
times
having
well-designed
well-built
trails
that
our
multi-use
are,
we
see
people
using
them
much
more
frequently
and
all
types
of
users
feeling
safe
and
comfortable
in
that
in.
I
That
regard
so
I
think
the
most
dangerous
trails
in
the
city
are
the
green
mice.
Well,
because
you
and
the
injuries
I've
had
biking
are,
are
all
on
creepoint
Traders,
so
I
agree,
I,
I,
I,
think
you
know
we
can
kind
of
talk
about
this.
The
cows
come
home,
but
you
know
it's
like
it's
got
to
be
reasonable.
It's
got
to
be
fairly
wide
and
it's
going
to
be
able
to
accommodate
multiple
uses.
True
and
we're
going
to
have
to
depend
on
staff,
which
I
am
very
confident
in
to
make
those
calls.
E
So
maybe
what
we
want
to
say
instead
is
you
know
something
just
to
use
a
simple
super
simple
example:
phishing
isn't
allowed,
except
we're
posted
right
and
and
you're
gonna
hate
me
saying
for
saying
this,
but
maybe
we
say,
except
where,
like
you
know,
Mount
they're
prohibited,
except
where
authorized
by
a
city
manager,
Rule
and
that's
where
the
department
applies
standards
and
we
and
you
can
develop
standards
for
when
the
department
would
ask
the
city
manager
to
have
that
kind
of
a
rule.
E
I
So
Janet
I'm,
okay
with
actually
I,
think
that's
a
good
suggestion
after
except
you
know
so
the
wording
would
be
after
accept,
but
I'd
also
want
to
keep
in
there
and
we're
you
know:
multi-jurisdictional
Regional
trailers.
So
so
there's
some
you
know
Focus
or
Target
or
limit
on.
You
know
kind
of
what
what
is
being
considered.
E
I
E
Or
maybe
you
just
don't
even
have
the
list
because
wouldn't
visitor
management
goals
or
is
there
something
that
we
can
a
way
that
we
can
describe
it
to
meet
land
protection,
natural
resources,
visitor
management
goals
and
noise
and
consistent
with
you
know,
is
there's
a
plan.
That's
already
in
place
that
we
can
draw
into
that
to
to
create
a
standard,
yeah
foreign.
E
E
I'm
also
seeing
a
redundancy.
We
should
just
stop
it
after
goals
in
the
last
sentence,
because
we're
repeating
recreational
path
or
Trail
so
visitor
Mass
management
goals
period.
We've
already
said
that
in
the
first
part,
but
but
that's
just
the
cleanup,
it
doesn't
get
to
the
idea
of
how
to
define
foreign
will
be
applied
in
in
authorization
by
the
city
manager.
L
I
Yeah,
the
other
thing
is
I'm
thinking,
maybe
that
at
the
end
of
the
third
line,
it's
we're.
A
special
designation
and
enforcement
requirements
are
posted
and
have
been
determined
necessary.
I
L
I
Because,
theoretically,
the
end
of
that
was
where
we
say
necessary
to
be
land
protection,
I
mean
theoretically,
that's
assumed
that
that's
the
deal.
The
the
thing
that
I'm
concerned
about
is
that
connectivity
and
continuity
of
regional
Trails
not
be
only
determinant
as
far
as
the
consideration
of
the
use,
and
so
it's
like
well,
it's
got
to
be.
You
know
the
the
whole
gamut
of
you
know,
management
considerations,
yeah
yeah,.
F
I
I,
don't
know,
maybe
we
just
we
don't
include
them
in
the
motion
that
we
include
them
and
you
know
the
board.
What
does
the
board
do
not
make
a
motion,
discussion
and
explanation?
Yes,
yes
or
something
like
that.
L
C
E
I
So
I
moved
at
the
open
space.
Foreign
recommends
to
city
council
or
revised
language
for
Section.
836
of
the
boulevard
is
called
vehicle
regulation,
no
person
other
than
persons
authorized
by
the
city
manager,
shell
operating
an
electric,
assisted
bicycle
or
other
mechanized
power,
assisted
vehicle
on
any
open
space
lands,
as
defined
in
City
Charter,
section
170,
except
for
a
multi-jurisdictional
Regional
Trail,
requiring
access
to
a
segment
of
open
space
drill
to
enable
connectivity
and
contiguity
and
where
special,
designation
and
enforcement
requirements
are
posted
and
have
been
determined
necessary
to
meet
land
protection.
E
E
H
Well,
if
I
could
just
chime
in
first
of
all
I
think
we
would
take
a
brand
new
ordinance
language
that
we
haven't
really
sat
down
and
discussed
with
the
city
attorney's
office
to
see
how
this
would
apply
in
order
to
meet
not
only
the
spirit
but
the
you
know
the
specific
intent
of
this.
So
we
would
first
get
guidance
from
CAO
and
we'd
want
to
find
out
what
the
final
ordinance
languages.
But
let's
say
this:
is
it
I
think
our
first
thing
would
be
probably
to
get
a
meeting
with
Janet.
H
E
H
I
would
ask
Karen
or
Janet
the
question
of
requiring
access.
That's
an
interesting
term
where
I'm
ultimately
requiring
access
to
a
segment
and
get
it
wanting
to
get
legal
interpretation
of
that.
That
would
come
to
my
mind,
enabling
connectivity,
you
know
and
and
dullification
enforcement
requirements
are
posted
and
have
been
determined
necessary.
Determine
necessary
is
an
interesting
phrase
that
I
think
our
staff
would
want
guidance
on,
but
I
guess
yes,
I
mean
this
would
probably
be
one
of
those
that
we
would
probably
feed
through
and
and
seems
like.
H
H
D
L
H
Yeah
I
mean
to
me
the
words
requiring
I
would
want
interpretation
of
that
enabling
and
have
been
determined
necessary
to
meet.
Those
are
all
phrases
that
I
think
we
would
first
want
to
get
clear
determination,
definitionally
on
and
then
we
would
go
to
work
on
where
maybe
that
would
apply
once
we
got
that
clarity.
I
So
damn
my
response
and
that
in
general,
is
that
those
words
are
in
there
to
actually
a
guide
and
protect
staff
in
the
decision
making,
so
that
my
sense
of
use-
and
the
reason
I
thought
requiring
is
is
a
good
word.
Is
that
look?
It
won't
work
unless
you
know
a
multi-jurisdictional,
Regional
Trail
won't
work
unless
they're,
you
know
these
segments
are
approved.
I
You
know
enabling
connectivity
and
continuity
I
thought
that
was
kind
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
determinist
there
is
it's.
You
know
a
check
by
staff
on
making
sure
that
you
know
all
the
all.
The
boxes
are
checked
that
you
know.
There's
not
they're
not
going
to
be
having
to
answer
later
on
about
how
the
decision
got.
I
The
intent
the
whole
section
is
for
e-bike,
so
it's
operated,
electric
assisted
bike
or
other
mechanized.
I
I
In
the
other
mechanized
power
assisted
vehicle
references,
you
know
people
in
19
when
was
that
1982
or
whenever
it
was
when
the
charter
language
was
developed
1967.,
they
had
no
idea
about.
You
know
battery
operated
bicycles,
and
so
it
wasn't
a
concept
but
I'm
thinking,
okay,
you
know
what,
if
people
got,
you
know
solar
panels
and
decided
that
they
were
gonna,
you
know,
have
a
bicycle:
that's
operated
by
a
solar
panel
and
so
I
consider
that
to
be
another
mechanized
power,
assisted
vehicle,
and
so
this
language
is
intended
to
meet.
I
L
H
Make
that
happen,
I'm
just
being
cautious
and
giving
you
a
yes
or
no
answer
of
how
we
would
apply
this
language
when
this
is
we're
just
seeing
it
I
mean
I,
think
the
spirit
I
understand
the
spirit
yeah
if
you're
talking.
If
you
just
want
to
talk
about
Spirit,
it
seems
like
the
Lobo
Trail
would
be
an
example
of
this
making
it
through.
H
Well,
I
mean
I.
Think
Janet,
sort
of
preferred
stuff
up
front
is
that
ultimately,
the
city
attorney's
office
is
responsible
for
writing
language,
for
the
excuse
me
for
the
Council
on
on
ordinance
changes.
So
maybe,
if
there
are
a
few
words
in
here
that
are
going
to
need,
I
mean
that
that's
also
probably
a
Next
Step,
but
I'm,
not
a
lawyer.
But
those
are
the
few
words
that
just
gave
me
a
little
pause
in
terms
of
how
I
would
you
know
interpret
it,
but.
Q
Q
L
E
L
L
Keep
it
alive
so
that
it's
not
just
being
sent
seemingly
finished
if
we're
not
finished
I'm
just
trying
to
give
us
an
option
if
everyone
I'm
still
here
but
I,
look
tired
but
I'm
still
here,
but.
I
My
strategy
Caroline,
is
to
take
so
long
that
Michelle
and
John.
D
D
You
know
in
the
spirit
of
what's
below
and
then,
if
that
gets
like
approved,
then
you
the
ordinance
readings
you
refined
it
or
something
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
even
know
if
Janet,
if
that's
a
possibility
but
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
a
solution
that
the
way
the
motion
is
written
states
that
we
want
something
like
this,
and
yet
we
realize
two
or
three
words
might
need
to
be
changed
so
I.
You
know
I'm
yeah,.
I
And
I
guess:
I
I,
don't
know
that
we
have
to
say
that
Janet
isn't
that
what's
going
to
happen,
that's
what's
going
to
happen
so
I'm
I'm
willing
to
go
ahead
and
vote
and
then
it
gets
handed
to
the
city
attorney's
office
right.
I
H
You're
not,
but
let
me
get
clarification
on
that
then
you'd
be
expecting
that
once
Council
or
one
City
attorney
has
the
draft
ordinance
language
that,
instead
of
going
into
the
city
council
packet,
this
board
would
want
to
another
look
at
the
ordinance
and
okay
the
ordinance
before
then.
It
gets
I.
I
Think
it's
informally
I,
you
know
I,
don't
want
to
stop
the
packet
going
to
council,
but
it
would
just
be
informative
for
the
board
to
say:
okay,
you
know
this
is
what's
going
to
go
and
if
you
hear
a
lot
of
screaming
then
then
it
might
be
worth
pulling
it.
If
everyone
does
the
head
knot,
then
it's
and
you
know
it's
good
to
go
it.
Just
it's
just
I,
think
kind
of
closes
the
loop
for
the
board
to
make
sure
we
know
kind
of
what's
ultimately
going.
H
No
I
think
we're
scheduled
for
late
April
into
May
and
that's
depending
on.
We
haven't
even
spoken
to
CAC
on
on
the
exact
timing
of
when
they
would
want
to
handle
it.
But
we
were
thinking
later
April
and
then
finishing
up
in
mid
to
late
may.
I
think
was
our
timeline
for
Council,
but
that
hasn't
gone
through
CAC
and
Council
scheduling
yet
well.
I
I,
don't
think
the
board
wants
to
throw
a
monkey
wrench
into
the
works.
It
would
just
be
more
just
you
know
for
your
information,
here's
what's
going
just
so.
We
know.
L
L
Said
my
eyes
I'm,
so
tired
I
can't
find
it
she's
doing
really
good.
E
C
E
F
J
I
just
mentioned
some
two
points
of
this
that
I
want
listed
in
support
of
my
descent.
F
J
J
K
K
You
know
we
need
to
be
signaling
that
we
are
I,
think
that
we
should
allow
you
know
e-bikes
explicitly,
and
that's
that's
my
main.
You
know
issue
with
it.
Along
with
what
Michelle
said
here,
you
know,
I
think
you
know
you
you
ask
in
your
questions
that
you
sent
to
staff.
You
know
why.
Why
aren't
surrounding
agencies
following
us
on
this
and
I?
Think
it's
because
we're
not
leading
on
this
issue,
we're
trailing.
You
know
with
regressive
policies
and
I
think
what
you
have
here
doesn't
go
far
enough.
K
You
know
the
open
space
Department
was
founded
by
Progressive
Visionaries
that
had
a
vision
for
our
community
and
the
environment
and
the
planet
and
I
think
you
know
what
we
voted
for
here
is
you
know
it's
out
of
fear.
It's
short-sighted
and
it's
regressive
and
I
I.
Don't
think
it's
Visionary
and
stands
for
what
open
space
was
founded
on
foreign.
F
I
Of
your
comments,
obviously
I
I
don't
agree
and
in
fact
that,
as
far
as
responding
to
you
China
I
would
say
that
this
is
in
the
spirit
of
the
founders
of
the
program
so
and
Michelle
I
I
would
be
happy
to
use
all
of
your
suggested
language
for
justification
for
my
vote
as
well
so
other
than
the
approach
is
complicated
and
will
make
compliance
and
enforcement
if
possible,
I
I.
Don't
think
that,
but
I
certainly
think
that
you
know
we
support
e-bikes.
I
It's
just
that
we
don't
support
e-bikes
everywhere
on
open
space
trucks
and
we
do
support
consistent
connectivity
and
I
I.
Think
the
most
the
intent
of
the
motion
is
to
certainly
contribute
to
that.
So
yeah.
K
And
I
do
appreciate
that
part
of
your
your
motion.
That's
that.
E
And,
as
several
speakers
said
even
just
tonight,
without
a
vote
of
the
public
I,
don't
believe
we
can
change
the
chart.
I
Yeah,
so
thanks
for
all
of
your
participation
and
hanging
in
there
I
know
it's,
it's
been
challenging
and
somewhat
awkward,
but
we
appreciate
it
I
Echo
that
yeah.
Thank
you.
J
I
have
a
question
for
all
their
when
this
goes
to
council.
Is
there
an
opportunity
for
either
John
or
I
to
speak
on
our
dissenting
opinions,
as
these
motions
went
down,
or
does
it
just
and
would
we
need
to
establish
that
tonight.
E
J
Or
I
should
say,
would
they?
This
is
probably
in
April
May
issue.
I
But
yes,
they
could
delegate
I
I,
think
parents,
right
though
the
council
doesn't
necessarily
want
to
hear
from
every
board
member,
and
so
we've
got
to
be.
We
as
the
board
has
to
have
to
be
somewhat
strategic
about.
You
know
how
we
want
to
do
that.
Well,.
J
I
recall
when
I
was
on
a
crab
that
that
I
was
asked
to
come,
speak
to
council
and
I
think
they
they
had
asked
me
to
to
come
speak
on
my
opinion,
my
dissenting
opinion,
but
I
guess
they
could
formally
request
that.
Then.
H
I
I'll
continue
to
go
through
yeah,
maybe
Dan,
that
at
the
agenda
setting
or
what
whatever
you
know,
process
that
the
council
does
to
set
their
agenda.
F
H
F
J
Q
H
Yeah,
just
as
a
majority
of
the
board,
May
delegate
or
appoint
the
chair
and
or
other
members
of
the
board
to
assist
in
the
presentation
of
the
board
recommendations
to
the
city
manager
or
to
the
city
council,
any
presentation
of
a
recommendation
should
also
include
a
synopsis
of
any
dissent.
So
it's
what.
H
The
majority
of
the
majority
of
the
board
May
delegate
or
appoint
the
chair
and
or
other
members
of
the
board,
to
assist
in
the
presentation
of
the
board
recommendations
to
the
city
manager
or
to
the
city
council.
Any
presentation
of
a
recommendation
should
also
include
a
brief
synopsis
of
any
descent,
so
The
Descent
needs
to
be
explained.
The
majority
of
this
board
would
then
would
appoint
the
person
to
represent
the
board
at
the
council
and.
E
And
if
I
may
add
to
that
or
clarify
so
in
our
guiding
principles
for
interactions
among
councils
boards,
commissions
and
staff,
it
does
say
boards
and
commission
members
who
wish
to
explain
or
Advocate
positions
to
the
council
should
identify
themselves
as
board
members
and
clarify
whether
they
are
speaking
from
a
personal
position
or
on
behalf
of
the
majority
or
minority
position
that
the
board
has
taken
so
I.
Think
that
authorizes
the
minority
position
to
have
the
floor
more
than
one
spokesperson
exactly
so
the
minority
position
can
be
expressed
as
well.
That's
clear!
Thank
you.
F
E
One
other
issue
that
I
want
to
bring
up
this
evening
is
that
the
county
for
regional
Trails,
it's
the
County
transportation
department,
it's
the
league
organization
within
the
county
for
regional
trails
and
I'm,
wondering
if
or
or
parallel
professional
interactions,
the
city,
transportation
and
the
mobility
department
doesn't
need
to
take
the
lead
in
working
with
the
County
transportation
department
on
Regional
trails,
so
that
there's
that
professional
parallelism
between
County
Regional
trails
and
City
Regional
trails.
H
Are
you
asking?
Are
you
asking
who
are
the
players
at
the
table
on
Regional
conversations
and
does
our
city
Department
transportation,
take
an
equal
role
as
County
on
these
Regional
trails?
Casey
is
most
involved
in
Marty.
I.
Would
first
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you,
but
I
think
since
most
some
of
the
trail
segments
are
out
in
the
county
on
open
space
lands
that
may
not
eventually
impact
or
intersect
with
City
managed
Trails.
H
The
city
transportation
department
handles
on
those
occasions
we're
probably
a
leading
voice
for
the
city
because
of
the
open
on
the
open
space
impacts
or
issues
that
are
involved
so,
but
certainly
on
those
trails
that
take.
E
D
D
Yes,
yeah
erie's
involved
and
on
our
TV
and
I'm,
not
going
to
remember
all
of
the
stakeholders,
but
yes,
the
other.
There
are
other
municipalities
involved.
Yeah.
Yes,.
D
Or
open
space
like
it's
open
space
for
Boulder,
County,
Parks
and
open
space,
because
they
are
also
part
of
that
and
then
it's
I
believe
it's
Erie
open
space,
so
they're
just
structured
differently
with
the
with
you
know
at
the
county.
So
it's
a
little
hard
to
compare
Apples
to
Apples,
because
the
regional
Trails
planner
there
does
some
Transportation
LED
more
initiatives
and
trails
and
also
does
more
soft
surface
passive
breath.
Regional.
That
kind
of
goes
across
multi-jurisdictional
lines.
So
she
does
both
that
role
within.
E
D
But
you
know
the
her,
the
it's.
The
regional
Trails
program
is
nested
within
that
umbrella,
so
they're
just
structured,
you
know
slightly
differently,
we've
been
then
the
city.
As
far
as
that
goes,
we
do
work
with
like
the
city,
you
know
we
have
you
know
at
times
we
do
have
the
city
like
for
the
Bikeway
for
the
Lions
to
Boulder
like
we
for
we,
you
know
we
kind
of
coordinated
with
city
transportation,
so
there
are
some
instances
where
it
makes
sense.
D
So
that
kind
of
kind
of
confuse
confuse
matters
we
use
like.
We
recommend
Regional
trails
in
our
North
TSA
that
connect
to
Boulder
County.
We
call
those
Regional
Trails
right,
so
I'm,
not
I'm,
assuming
you
wouldn't
you're,
not
suggesting
that
Boulder
County
with
Transportation
would
want
to
take
the
lead
on
a
trail.
That's
going
from
open.
You
know
just
on
open
space
to
open
space
right,
so
we
call
all
those
things
under
that
impella
term
I,
yeah,
I'm,
I'm,
tired
and
I've-
probably
gone
on
to.
F
E
You're
right
strikes
say
that
some
of
these
trails
and
you
hit
on
it
when
you
said
there
are
different
kinds
of
regional
Trails.
I
mean
the
county
is
planning
a
Regional
Trail
up
the
center
of
the
diagonal
between
the
two
two
diagonal
rows.
That's
a
Regional
Trail
of
the
Bikeway
there,
the
Bikeway
and
that's
a
commuter
Regional
Trail.
D
And
then
I
would
say
also
our
city
transportation
needs
those
types
of
initiatives
too
I
mean
most
of
the
time
it's
the
county,
because
our
lands
and
we
and
those
types
of
instances
we
are
involved
as
the
adjacent
land
owner
and
our
goal
is
a
little
differently.
It's
about
minimizing
impacts
and
I
would
say.
D
Our
city
transportation
often
has
the
same
asks
of
us
as
Boulder
County
like
they
would
like
to
widen
the
streets,
and
you
know-
and
you
know,
use
open
space
lands
for
transportation
for
those
requests
you
know
to
accommodate,
you
know
Transportation
improvements,
and
so
our
interaction
with
them
can
be
very
similar
to
the
county
or
the
requests.
The
city,
transportation,
County,
transportation
requests.
As
far
as
bikeways,
though,
can
be
very
similar
to
open
space
like.
F
D
Correct
we
have
passive
recreational
Trails,
although
we
know
some
people
like
to
go
the
slow
route
and
they
might,
they
might
get
from
point
A
to
point
B
on
a
recreational
fail,
but
correct
I
mean
yeah.
We
don't
we
don't.
Ours
are
multi,
ours
are
for
Passive,
Recreation,
yep
and
so
transportations
are
strictly
for
transportation.
That's
where
our
role
is
slightly
different.
It's.
D
Then
that's
when
the
disposal
requirement
might
not
exist
so
like
if
we,
if
we
had
a
separated
Bikeway
that
we
used
for
we
for
part
of
a
regional,
passive
recreational,
Regional,
Trail
type
of
connection.
It.
That's
hasn't,
really
happened
because,
typically,
but
do
you
see
where
I'm
going
like
the
RMG?
We've
talked
about
co-locating,
that
along
a
potential
Bikeway,
and
so
that
one
might
be
an
instance
where
it's
transportation
and
a
passive
recreational
part
of
a
Regional
Trail
that
doesn't
currently
exist.
G
G
And
that's
where
going
back
to
different
types
of
regional
Trails
there,
as
Casey
said
there
might
be
users
that
are
traveling
on
there
and
getting
from
point
A
to
B.
But
it's
still
a
recreation
looks.
E
F
I
So
I
don't
want
this
meeting
to
end
too
early
or
prematurely,
so
I
have
one
one
more
thing
to
bring
up
and
I
I
was
going
to
make
this
emotion,
but,
given
the
conversation
this
evening,
I
I
just
want
to
make
it
part
of
the
record,
convey
that
I
have
some
concerns
about
divorce
role
in
issues
like
determining
whether
e-bikes
are
passive
recreational
use,
and
so
the
language
that
I
put
together
for
motion
basically
confirms
that
that
the
open
space
board,
making
recommendations
to
the
Council
on
the
use
of
electric
motor,
assisted
bicycles,
fulfills
the
roles
and
function
of
the
open
space
Board
of
Trustees,
as
defined
in
City
Charter,
article
12,
section
175,
that
this
is
an
important
part
of
our
role.
I
Reading
the
memo
kind
of
between
the
lines
it
just
concerned
me
that
the
the
role
of
the
open
space
board
was
was
either
tangentially
referred
to
or
or
somewhat
dismissive,
and
from
my
perspective
this
is
exactly
our
role
and
responsibility
and
I
do
appreciate
the
staff
for
providing
that.
But
I
think
we
end
up,
certainly
making
those
recommendations
to
council
yeah.
H
And
your
purview
and
your
role
is
very
Broad
in
being
able
to
provide
recommendations
and
input
to
the
department
on
any
management
activity
that
we
progress
with
and
that's
your
purview
and
we'll
support
you
in
that
and
I.
Think
Karen
did
a
good
job
of
summarizing
all
the
touches
that
have
been
done
with
this
board
on
the
e-bike
issue
since
2013,
including
four
or
five
touches
in
the
past
eight
months,
so
I,
I,
I,
hope,
I,
I,
hope
we
weren't
coming
off
as
dismissive
with
this
board.
R
E
E
H
Okay,
I've
got
one
update
and
I
hope.
It's
still.
I
just
want
to
welcome
Heather
Swanson
to
our
new
interim
deputy
director
for
resource
and
stewardship
and
I.
Hopefully,
I
don't
get
a
resonation
letter
tomorrow,
but
we're
really
looking
forward
to
working
with
Heather
in
her
new
capacity
and
and
her
role
and
just
want
to
recognize
that
her
term
began
on
Monday,
so
I.