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Welcome
everyone,
I'm
Karen
holweg,
the
chair
of
the
open
space,
Board
of
Trustees
and
I'm,
calling
to
order
our
September
14
2022
Board
of
Trustees
meeting
and
I'd
like
to
call
the
roll
John
Carroll.
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Michelle
Estrella
here
Caroline
Miller,
present
Dave
Kuntz
here
and
Karen
holweg
is
here
as
well.
So
we've
got
a
Full
Slate
of
board
members
present
and
to
start
out
I'm
going
to
ask
Laurel
to
read
the
rules
for
the
meeting.
D
All
righty,
so
the
city
has
engaged
with
community
members
to
co-create
a
vision
for
productive,
meaningful
and
inclusive
Civic
conversations.
This
Vision
supports
physical
and
emotional
safety
for
community
members
staff
and
Council
and
board
members,
as
well
as
democracy
for
people
of
all
ages,
identities,
lived
experiences
and
political
perspectives.
D
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can
learn
more
about
this
vision
and
the
community
engagement
process
on
the
city
of
Boulder's
website.
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following
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City
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Oh
my
thing,
just
I
lost
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communication.
Sorry,
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and
when
we
get
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portion
part
of
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meeting,
if
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your
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so,
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B
Thank
you
Laurel
and
before
we
proceed
with
the
approval
of
the
minutes,
I'm
going
to
introduce
Janelle
to
introduce
herself
and
her
new
title
and
start
the
program
presentation
about
the
Junior
Rangers
and
youth
Rangers
programs,
Janelle.
E
Thank
you,
Karen
hello,
everyone,
I'm,
Janelle,
freeston
and
I'm,
serving
as
interim
deputy
director
for
Community,
Connection
and
Partnerships,
and
tonight
our
team
is
really
excited
to
be
here.
E
We
wish
we
could
be
live
like
we
were
back
in
the
day,
but
we're
not
and
that's:
okay,
You're
Gonna
Hear,
an
update
from
the
junior
Ranger
and
youth
Ranger
program
on
2022
program
highlights
and
to
kick
that
off,
I'm
going
to
introduce
Natasha
Steinman,
who
is
osmp's,
youth
service
learning,
program
manager
and
other
staff,
who
will
be
speaking
tonight,
Marley
Sanders,
Arian,
hampel,
Melinda
Markin,
and
then
we
have
three
youth
Rangers
and
a
junior
Ranger
here
and
so
in
Natasha
they're.
All
gonna
also
introduce
themselves
throughout
the
presentation.
E
So
thanks
everyone
for
having
us
and
getting
this
first
on
the
agenda.
Thank
you.
E
F
Hand
it
over
to
you
Natasha
thanks
Janelle,
and
thank
you,
everyone
so
much
for
allowing
us
to
be
here
tonight
to
present
like
Janelle
just
mentioned.
It
is
a
team
effort,
so
you'll
be
hearing
from
many
different
voices
and
we'll
do
our
best
to
change
the
zoom,
the
the
name
below
our
screen
tonight,
because
we're
kind
of
hybrid
half
in
person
so
Marley
is
going
to
share
our
slides
for
us.
F
Thank
you,
and
there
is
a
delay
between
that
all
so
bear
with
us.
C
E
While
they're
getting
that
up,
if
we
were
in
council
chambers,
I'd,
probably
look
around
the
audience
and
get
a
raise
of
hands,
how
many
people
are
familiar
with
the
junior
Ranger
program
and
maybe
started
as
a
junior
Ranger
and
some
folks
would
be
raising
their
hands,
including
Natasha,
who
started
as
a
junior,
Ranger
and
Aryan
hampel.
So
and.
G
F
Thanks
Janelle,
take
it
away.
I
know:
I,
do
miss
being
in
person,
it's
so
fun
to
show
up
at
council
chambers
next
time
alrighty.
So
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
Actually
so
tonight
we'll
be
presenting
just
some
high-level
highlights
from
the
junior
Angel
program,
because
we
really
want
to
give
most
of
our
time
to
the
youth
themselves
to
tell
their
stories.
F
But
first
our
program,
coordinator,
Marley
and
I,
will
be
sharing,
updates
about
the
program's
master
plan,
alignment,
hiring
and
some
trail
crew
highlights
and
then
Rangers,
Aryan
and
Melinda
will
share,
highlights
from
the
youth
Ranger
crew
and
then,
as
we've
said,
you'll
get
to
hear
four
testimonials
directly
from
youth
who
worked
with
us
this
summer.
F
So
if
you
could
wait
with
questions
until
after
the
youth,
Rangers
and
Junior
Rangers
present,
that
would
be
wonderful
and
then
the
four
of
us
will
do
our
best
to
answer
your
questions,
and
it's
always
as
always,
it's
a
great
honor
for
youth
to
be
asked
to
present
to
the
board
and
we're
super
super
grateful
to
these
four
for
being
here
tonight,
so
feel
free
to
thank
them
yourselves
as
well.
F
Great,
so
the
junior
Angel
plan
and
Junior
Andrew
Cruz
sorry,
the
junior
Crews,
contribute
to
many
of
the
master
plans
tier
one
and
tier
two
efforts.
F
Our
crews
work
on
a
variety
of
different
types
of
projects,
and
primarily
our
Trail
Crews
work
on
Trails,
and
so
they
help
the
trails
team,
reduce
Trail
maintenance
backlog
and
reduce
undesignated
Trails.
We
also
work
with
a
forestry
team.
That's
that
Center
photo
there
as
well
as
vegetation
management
and
ecological
restoration,
to
preserve
and
restore
important
habitat
blocks
and
to
control
invasive
species.
F
Again,
our
slides
are
perfect.
We
also
meet
multiple
ccei
priorities.
We
continue
to
partner
with
internal
and
external
groups
to
welcome
diverse
backgrounds
and
abilities.
We
innovate
new
crew
models
each
year
that
connect
youth
to
more
and
more
of
osmp's
work
and
impact,
and
through
Environmental,
Education
and
Leadership
development,
training,
Junior
Rangers
learn
about
osmp
and
many
as
you
could
see
from
Janelle's
beginning
there.
Many
are
inspired
to
pursue
careers
of
service
or
education
and
natural
resources.
H
Thanks
so
much
Natasha,
it's
so
great
to
be
able
to
present
in
front
of
all
of
you
so
right
now,
I
just
want
to
talk
about
our
focuses
for
2022..
Last
year
we
mentioned
to
the
board.
We
are
so
excited
to
be
back
from
kova
that
we
started
several
new
pilot
programs
that
includes
nature
kids,
Boulder
programming,
the
leadership
crew,
which
Nile
one
of
our
Junior
Rangers
from
this
year.
We'll
talk
about
more
at
the
end
of
the
presentation
and
our
climate
crew.
H
This
year
in
2022,
we
focused
on
expanding
those
pilots
and
opening
the
opportunities
to
even
more
youth.
We
did
open
one
new
pilot
this
year,
a
middle
school
crew
which
I'll
talk
about
a
bit
more
later
on,
but
also
this
year,
not
just
the
projects.
We
also
decided
to
focus
on
supporting
the
mental
health
of
our
employees
last
year,
knowing
that
covid
made
such
a
huge
impact
on
older
teenagers
and
also
everyone
else
in
2020
and
2021,
we
really
made
that
a
huge
priority,
and
this
year
we
noticed
it's
a
continuing
pattern.
H
Our
program's
goal
is
to,
of
course,
complete
those
work
projects
on
trails
that
Natasha
mentioned
on
the
OS
P
system.
However,
the
junior
Ranger
program
is
also
a
vessel
through
which
we
support
Youth
Development.
Our
program
builds
teams
and
individuals
who
are
emotionally
resilient
and
learn
to
work
through
challenges
all
while
also
making
that
positive
impact
on
their
community.
H
So,
for
hiring
this
year
we
received
more
applications
than
the
last
few
years,
almost
200,
which
was
awesome.
We
were
also
able
to
offer
14
additional
positions,
so
we're
able
to
give
this
opportunity
to
even
more
people.
H
We
continue
to
partner
with
external
organizations
to
reach
new
families
and
communities
who
wouldn't
otherwise
have
heard
about
this
program,
and
many
of
them
decided
to
apply
and
participate.
This
year,
our
Focus
every
year
is
to
hire
a
diverse
group
of
Youth
who
are
diverse
in
age,
ability,
prior
program,
experience,
race,
ethnicity,
background
and
gender.
H
So
here
you
can
see
some
of
the
progress
we're
making
towards
that
goal
by
adapting
and
expanding
our
hiring
process,
we're
trying
to
work
towards
Equitable
hiring
for
youth
of
all
backgrounds.
We
know
that
it
is
a
long-term
effort,
it's
a
long-term
process
and
in
our
program
report,
which
we'll
have
available
later
in
2022
when
we're
done
reporting
we'll
provide
more
detail
about
our
hiring
process
and
demographics
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
But
on
this
side,
I
just
pulled
out
specifically
Junior
Ranger
demographic
data
for
race
and
ethnicity,
from
2019
to
2022.
H
H
H
Our
combined
crew
opened
the
junior
Ranger
job
opportunity
to
do
20
more
youth
between
the
ages
of
11
to
14,
who
are
primarily
from
low-income
housing
communities
in
Boulder
that
11
to
14
age
group
is
younger
than
our
other
Crews,
who
are
age
14
to
17,
and
that's
an
aid
group
OSB
has
been
trying
to
reach
and
engage
for
several
years
like
that
middle
school
age
range
and
that
crew
is
actually
a
goal
of
our
20-year
plan
that
we
created
back
in
2018.
H
So
it's
really
exciting
to
see
it
come
to
fruition,
similar
to
our
high
school
age.
Crews.
This
YSI
Junior
Ranger
crew,
worked
on
trail
projects.
They
did
Environmental
Education,
they
engaged
with
the
outdoors.
They
just
work
shorter
days
since
they're
middle
schoolers,
and
this
new
program
had
really
incredible
impact
on
youth.
We
saw
them
be
challenged
by
work
projects.
They
practice
their
teamwork
and
listening
skills.
They
expanded
their
comfort
zones.
H
One
last
highlight
here's
a
work
project
that
I'm
really
proud
of
what
our
crews
accomplished
this
year
on
the
Bear
Creek
West
Ridge
Trail,
that
many
people
love
and
use
every
single
day.
It
was
becoming
severely
eroded
in
certain
places,
so
Junior
Ranger
Crews
placed
75
log
steps
and
42
rocks
in
the
trail,
which
took
an
incredible
amount
of
time
over
eight
weeks
and
a
ton
of
ton
of
effort.
H
I
All
right
hi,
my
name
is
Erin
hampel,
and
this
is
Melinda
Markin.
We
are
the
park
rangers
that
coordinate
the
youth,
Ranger
crew.
I
Right
so
the
youth
Ranger
crew
started
in
2017
and
it's
an
opportunity
for
our
participants
to
engage
in
training,
that's
related
to
natural
resource
management
and
customer
service.
We
also
give
them
the
opportunity
to
explore
career
paths
in
conservation
and
ecology,
and
this
really
helps
our
participants,
build
positive
connections
with
Rangers
and
with
law
enforcement.
J
J
J
One
of
the
highlights
of
the
program
is
the
wildlife
ecology
that
we
do.
Ranger
Burton
Stoner
does
a
bad
ecology
program
and
we
do
a
night
hike.
We
get
to
capture
bats,
it's
really
fun.
We
do
bird
banding
with
Oak
Thorn
and
we
bring
in
the
center
for
State
conservation
to
teach
us
about
local
reptiles,
and
this
is
a
video
of
Kana,
releasing
a
yellow-headed
blackbird
after
banding.
It.
J
One
of
the
programs
we
do
is
we
teach
the
youth
Rangers
how
to
fish.
Sometimes
they
already
know
how
to
fish,
but
for
those
that
don't
we
teach
them,
and
then
we
have
them
put
together
their
their
own
education
program
that
they
offer
to
the
public
where
they
teach
children
how
to
fish
at
Salt
Hill
ponds.
J
We
have
a
lot
of
Partners,
which
I'll
come
back
to
in
a
minute,
but
one
of
which
is
the
Boulder
Police
Department.
We
take
the
youth
Rangers
to
the
police
department.
They
get
a
tour,
they
get
to
do
fingerprinting
they
meet
with
the
Drone
team
and
in
the
picture
on
the
right,
one
of
the
participants
is
wearing
the
bomb
suit,
which
weighs
over
a
hundred
pounds.
J
Our
other
partners
include
the
CU
Boulder
Mountain
research
station.
We
have
done
interpretive
Trail,
building
up
there
with
them
and
we
also
partner
with
the
city
of
Boulder
Wildland
fire
division.
They
teach
the
youth
Rangers
about
careers
in
wild
and
firefighting
and
in
2022
we
did
a
couple
of
new
projects.
So
one
of
the
things
we
did
was
an
overnight
trip
to
the
CU
Boulder
Mountain
research
station.
J
They
did
a
work
project
on
site
and
then
we
spent
the
night
in
their
facilities.
While
we
were
up
there,
we
participated
in
a
graduate
research
project
in
the
picture
on
the
left.
Our
two
participants
are
holding
little
grasshoppers
that
they
caught
as
part
of
a
research
project,
and
then
we
were
there
during
their
100
year
anniversary.
J
So
we
also
got
to
watch
a
research
Symposium
presented
by
one
of
the
CU
Boulder
professors.
Another
new
project
we
did
is
farming
at
the
esoterra
farm
on
the
osmp
heart
Nago
property.
So
we
did
all
kinds
of
really
fun
farming
projects
and
we
got
to
hear
about
the
different
types
of
uses
of
osmp,
including
agriculture,.
J
Two
other
new
programs
include
doing
scientific
research,
so
this
year,
I
led
the
youth
Rangers
in
a
research
project
in
the
Flagstaff
burn
scarf
so
in
2012,
Fair
Peak,
West
Ridge
burned
in
the
Flagstaff
fire.
So
we
came
back
10
years
later
and
a
unique
opportunity
to
measure
Forest
regeneration.
So
we
took
measurements
inside
the
burn
Scar
and
then
in
a
control
area
outside
of
the
burn
star.
J
Thank
you
and
our
youth
Ranger
program
we
found
has
really
positive
impacts
on
the
participants.
They
build
new
skills,
such
as
getting
their
CPR
and
first
aid
certification.
They
learn,
search
and
rescue.
They
make
friendships
with
each
other.
Like
Aryan
said,
they
build
relationships
with
adults
and
law
enforcement
officers
and
over
time
as
we
hear
that
when
they
come
back
from
college,
they
tell
us.
Oh,
the
youth
Ranger
program
is
what
helped
me
decide.
I
want
to
go
into
emergency
medicine,
but
I'd,
rather
you
hear
from
them.
J
So
we'll
have
our
youth
Rangers
talk
in
a
minute
last
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is
just
that
the
impact
we
have
on
the
youth
Rangers
is
part
of
what
helped
us
win.
The
2021
blue
grammar
award
for
outstanding
visitor
engagement
program
through
Cosa
the
Colorado
open
space
Alliance.
So
we're
very
proud
of
that,
and
then
the
last
slide
I
have.
Oh
sorry,
almost
last
slide.
Aryan
has
really
designed
this
program
to
be
very
collaborative,
and
it's
only
gotten
more.
J
H
Thanks,
Melinda,
okay,
so
I'm
just
gonna,
pass
it
right
off
to
Nile,
who
is
one
of
our
Junior
Rangers
on
a
trail
crew
this
year
and
he's
going
to
tell
you
about
his
experiences
as
a
junior
Ranger.
K
Thank
you,
Marley
hi,
I'm,
Niall
I
was
part
of
the
leadership
crew
of
the
Junior
Rangers
this
year
and
I
think
that
the
Junior
Rangers
program
is
fantastic.
It
allows
youth
to
be
outdoors,
help
improve
the
Wilderness
around
them,
while
also
learning
skills
like
fundamental
knowing
how
to
apply
for
a
job
and
things
like
that,
but
I
think
particularly
the
the
youth.
K
The
leadership
crew
provides
incredible
opportunities
to
learn,
skills
that
you
otherwise
wouldn't
in
the
Junior
Rangers
program
and
practice
them
far
more
than
you'd
be
able
to
normally
I
think
that
it
it's
a
really
good
opportunity
for
people
to
practice
things
that
put
them
outside
their
comfort
zone,
such
as
public
speaking
and
leading
other
people.
One
of
the
things
that
one
of
the
leadership
opportunities
that
I
got
this
this
last.
I
K
Was
we
were
doing
a
pro
project
where
we
were
moving
some
dirt
and
it
put
me
in
charge
of
a
couple
of
the
other
Junior
Rangers,
and
it's
not
usually
something
I'm
comfortable
with
is
leading
other
people
I,
usually
like
just
working
and
trying
to
get
the
job
done
myself,
and
so
it
kind
of
put
me
outside
my
comfort
zone,
but
also
allowed
me
to
practice
some
skills
that
were
very
foreign
to
me
and
that
I
wasn't
quite
as
comfortable
in
and
over
the
over
the
four
weeks.
K
I
think
that
I
really
improved
in
that
in
that
skill
set
and
it
allowed
me
to
to
really
grow.
My
ability,
as
a
leader
outside
of
just
leading
by
example,
I
think
that
it
also
is
a
fantastic
way
for
for
youth
to
interact
with
other
views
that
are
similar
in
terms
of
leadership
and
to
be
able
to
be
inspired
by
other
people
who
are
similarly.
K
Mannered
and
able
to
help
each
other
lead
and
help
each
other
learn
how
to
be
a
better
leader
and
to
better
encourage
the
people
that
they're
working
with
yeah.
C
H
Cool
thanks
so
much
Nile
I'll
pass
it
back
to
Aryan
and
Melinda.
M
Hi,
my
name
is
Dana
I'm,
a
senior
at
Fairview,
High,
School
and
I
was
a
youth
Ranger
in
2021
and
2022,
and
it
was
awesome.
I
really
wish
you
all
to
be
17
again,
so
you
could
be
a
youth
Ranger
I
applied
for
the
program,
because
I
was
really
interested
in
the
national
parks
and
what
Rangers
do,
and
it
seemed
like
a
great
way
to
meet
new
people
and
make
new
friends.
M
I
really
enjoyed
this
program
because
we
were
constantly
learning
new
things
on
every
subject:
Under
the
Sun
and
we
talked
to
so
many
knowledgeable
people
on
their
favorite
subjects.
It
was
super
easy
to
get
excited
about
topics
I
hadn't
heard
about
before
or
couldn't
really
have
cared
about
going
into.
Youth
Rangers.
If
you
ask
me
about
careers,
I
was
considering
being
in
the
medical
field,
wouldn't
have
even
been
in
the
top
50,
but
I
was
really
fascinated
about
learning,
CPR
and
first
aid
and
I
really
loved
doing
medical
scenarios
and
search
and
rescue
I'm.
M
Currently
taking
an
emergency
medical
responder
course
at
Boulder,
Tech
and
I'm
planning
on
studying
medicine
in
college
I
would
never
have
considered
that
field.
If
I
hadn't
been
a
youth
Ranger
and
spent
a
lot
of
time
practicing
those
skills
to
make
sure
they
really
sunk
in
I
was
really
nervous.
The
first
time
I
did
this,
because
this
position
really
focuses
on
building
leadership
and,
at
the
time,
I
didn't
really
think
of
myself.
As
a
leader,
I
use
this
opportunity
to
step
out
of
my
comfort
zone
and
build
confidence.
M
My
first
day,
I
sat
down
with
someone
who
was
sitting
alone
and
I
made
a
new
friend
and
later
they
told
me
that
they
made
I
made
them
feel.
Welcome
and
I
was
really
surprised,
and
it
gave
me
so
much
confidence
that
a
conversation
that
was
really
awkward
and
uncomfortable
for
me
meant
so
much
to
another
person
when
we
were
practicing
medical
scenarios
this
summer,
I
was
the
only
person
in
my
group
who
had
done
it
before
so
I
helped
lead
them
through
a
mock
choking
scenario.
M
It
was
really
uncomfortable
to
step
in
and
direct
people,
but
I
think
it
was
super
helpful
to
my
team.
We
were
not
perfect
and
it
took
us
a
while
to
figure
out
who
was
going
to
call
9-1-1,
which
is
always
is
the
first
step
in
first
aid,
101
I
think
we
made
it
like
step
three
and
to
get
an
AED,
which
was
someone's
lunch
box,
because
we
were
in
the
woods,
but
we
successfully
revived
our
patient.
M
It
was
a
huge
leap
to
put
myself
out
there,
but
I
would
do
it
again
because
it
was
super
fun
and
challenged
me
a
lot.
The
youth
Ranger
program
means
so
much
to
me
because
it
has
given
me
so
many
so
much
confidence.
A
thousand
new
hobbies
and
topics
I
want
to
learn
more
about
and
I
had
so
much
fun.
It
is
hands
down
the
best
way.
M
N
N
Morgan
I'm
a
senior
also
at
Fairview
High
School
back
in
March
I,
was
thinking
about
trying
to
get
a
summer
job.
For
my
upcoming
the
summer
before
senior
year,
I
was
trying
to
think
of
something
that
would
be
more
meaningful
and
impactful
than
getting
a
job
at
say:
king
supers,
or
a
store
in
the
retail
industry,
and
after
doing
some
research
I
discovered
this
junior.
This
youth
Ranger
program
and
I
looked
some
of
the
stuff
they
did
in
2021
and
previous
years,
and
I
knew
I
had
to
apply
because
it
it
really
looked
amazing.
N
N
30Th
I
was
really
kind
of
sad
to
be
leaving
the
program
and
leaving
them
CU
Mountain
research
station,
where
we
were
on
our
last
day,
some
of
the
some
of
the
experiences
and
skills
that
I
think
that
I
benefited
from
most
from
the
that
were
developed
most
in
this
program
include
the
first
aid
in
search
and
rescue
knowledge
that
they
developed,
which
I
think
is
a
really
important
skill
for
any
any
any
any
person
who's
doing
stuff
outdoors
and
enjoying
the
natural
environment
around
Boulder.
N
The
the
fire
mitigation
and
conservation
knowledge
that
we
also
did
our
Environmental
Education
talks
on
and
really
got
lots
of,
good
good
presentations
from
experts
in
the
field
and
the
and
the
Rangers
from
their
their
personal
experiences.
Also,
the
emergency
response,
like
procedures
when
you
get
to
a
site
and
set
up
the
command
center
and
work
on
responding
to
an
emergency
and
also
leadership
practice
that
others
have
talked
about
coordinating
with
other
people
and
getting
getting
work
done
in
the
field.
N
N
One
other
aspect
of
the
program
that
I
also
really
thought
was
powerful,
was
getting
to
know
everyone
involved
in
the
program
whether
it
was
the
Rangers
or
the
cruelly
and
Fiona,
or
the
other
youth,
Rangers
and
building
friendships,
and
getting
to
know
people
that
are
interested
in
similar
things
and
really
have
really
very
interesting.
Fascinating
jobs.
N
N
Now
that
I
want
to
go
into
a
physical
science
career
in
college
and
have
a
science
major,
hopefully
with
the
focus
and
conservation,
because
that's
something
that
I
feel
passionate
about
and
this
program
helped
to
develop,
that
passion
and,
in
the
future,
I'd
really
like
to
keep
enjoying
the
boulder
the
boulder
environment
that
the
that
the
Rangers
help
protect
and
to
possibly
return
in
some
aspect
to
help
with
the
program.
Thank
you,
foreign.
O
Hi,
my
name
is
Owen
I'm,
a
sophomore
at
U,
Vista,
High,
School
and
2022
was
my
first
year
with
the
youth
Ranger
program,
although,
hopefully
not
my
last,
and
it
it
was
just
really.
The
whole
program
was
really
impactful.
For
me
from
the
beginning,
when
I
read
the
job
description
on
the
osmp
website,
I
was
like
that.
Well,
there's
no
I'm
going
to
get
into
this,
but
I
have
to
try
and
it
would
and
when
I
got
in
it
was
just
it.
It
got
better
and
better
and
better
as
we
kept
going
along.
O
We
learned
incredible
new
things
like
anywhere
from
grasshopper
thermoregulation
and
how
to
conduct
studies
on
that
to
how
to
shoot
a
dummy
bear
with
a
bean
bag,
and
it
was
just
really
incredible
to
see
how
many
opportunities
for
jobs,
volunteering
or
just
anything,
to
be
out
in
nature,
learning
things
teaching
things
and
just
to
do
what
I
love
and
what
I
want
to
spend
my
life
doing
and
to
get
paid.
For
that
too.
It
was
just
incredible
and
I
met,
so
many
people
who
were
also
like
me.
O
They
wanted
to
spend
their
lives
outside
that.
It
was
amazing
to
realize
that
there
are
people
in
the
world
who
think
like
you
and
are
interested
in
the
same
things
that
you
are.
It
was
really
really
powerful
and
so
everything
we
learned
I
hope
to
use
someday,
except
for
CPR,
and
it's
just
amazing
how
much
you
can
learn
from
talking
to
intelligent
people
who
are
passionate
about
things
and
how
it
makes
it.
It's
not
work,
even
though
you're
getting
paid
for
it.
It
was
an
incredible
experience
that
I
really
am
amazed.
O
P
I'll
start
off
and
just
say
thank
you
so
much
for
everyone
for
presenting,
and
especially
for
our
young
members,
I
heard
so
much
from
all
of
you.
I
feel
like
I
have
so
many
questions.
We
could
just
do
this
for
the
entire
meeting
it
was.
It
was
really
refreshing
and
lovely
to
hear
all
you
guys
share
your
experiences
with
us
and
to
see
how
much
positive
impact
and
from
so
many
different
areas
that
osmp
is
able
to
provide
for
you
guys
and
I
heard
I.
P
Thank
you
so
much
for
doing
that
for
us
as
a
community
and
continue
to
do
those
things
for
yourself
and
your
personal
growth
and,
for
you
know
our
Bolder
Community
as
a
whole
and
I
just
want
to
share
with
you
that
one
of
my
thoughts
on
leadership
is
so
many
people,
I,
think,
tie
leadership
to
personality
and
personality
traits
and
and
how
they
lead.
P
But
I
would
like
to
put
the
argument
out
there
that
leadership
really
is
having
good
ideas
and
being
able
to
share
those
ideas
with
the
masses
and
being
able
to
mold
and
ship
those
ideas
into
detailing
to
be
able
to
maximize
the
benefit
that
you're
trying
to
get
from
it.
So,
no
matter
how
you
lead,
if
you're
doing
so
from
a
place
where
you're
sharing
good
ideas,
that
is
truly
the
foundation
of
what
good
leadership
is.
P
Q
I'll
I'll
jump
in
you
know,
I
think
I
said
this
last
year
and
the
year
before,
but
here
he
reports
that
the
junior
Ranger
program
every
year
is
really
heartwarming
for
me
in
as
far
as
has
seen
how
this
whole
program
has
developed
and
evolved
over
the
years.
It's
it's
real.
It's
really
one
of
I
think
the
foundations
of
the
open
space
and
Mountain
Parks
program
and
in
his
Caroline
said,
is
it
really
provides
a
a
community
Focus
which
I
think
is
is
essential?
Q
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions,
though
one
is
on
the
climate
crew.
Can
you
real
briefly
I
guess
Aaron?
Maybe
you
tell
us
a
little
more
about
what
that
crew
does
and
and
a
little
more
about
it
and
then
also,
if
you
can,
let
us
know
how
many
participants
there
were
this
year
in
the
program.
I
think
that
would
be
great
and
then
the
third
thing
is,
you
know
the
the
temperatures
this
summer
were
were
pretty
warm
and
I
know.
The
board
is
was
concerned
about
all
the
outdoor.
Q
You
know
field
work
going
on,
so
I
would
like
if
you
could
take
just
a
minute
or
two
and
kind
of
explain
to
us.
You
know
what
actions
were
taken
to
make
sure
that
you
know
everyone
that
was
participating
in
the
junior
Ranger
program
stayed
healthy
and
safe.
F
Thank
you.
Yes,
absolutely
I'll
handle
the
safety
one
first,
since
that's
the
most
important,
even
though
we
love
talking
about
climate
yeah,
we
temperatures
were
really
hot
this
year
and
actually
last
year
was
really
hot
as
well.
What
was
tricky
about
both
of
them
is
that
it
was
hot
early
in
the
season.
So
I
don't
know
all
of
you
if,
like
as
you
were
hiking
and
exercising
Outdoors,
like
you
notice
it
more.
F
When
you
get
those
90
degree
days
in
June
versus
in
July,
we
actually
have
some
Junior
Rangers
who
pick
which
session
they
want
to
go
in
based
on
the
weather.
So,
typically,
we
have
more
people
who
apply
for
our
June
sessions,
because
it's
typically
cooler
and
then
this
year
it
was
super
hot.
So
we
we
do
require
breaks,
really
frequent
breaks.
We
carry
water
out
into
the
field.
We
have
shade
tents
that
we
deploy
into
areas
that
don't
have
as
much
shade.
F
We
take
that
super
super
seriously
and
and
take
any
kind
of
like
signs
of
heat
stress
seriously
and
even
like
remove
people
from
the
field.
If
we
think
that
they're,
you
know
going
down
the
wrong
path,
so
we
have
a
lot
of
support
staff
so
Marley
and
I,
but
then
also
several
other
supervisor
types
that
we
can
go
out
to
the
field
to
bring
people
back
to
the
to
the
cool
air.
F
So
it's
always
on
our
minds:
we're
monitoring
temperatures,
we're
monitoring
heat
index,
we're
monitoring
all
of
that
every
single
day
and
I'll
pass
it
to
Marley
for
climate
yeah.
H
I
was
your
question
about
the
climate
crew
that
I
mentioned,
with,
like
the
leadership
crew
and
our
other?
Yes,
Pilots,
awesome
yeah,
so
the
climate
crew
is
actually
one
of
our
as
part
of
our
like
10-year
plan,
Virginia
Rangers,
we
have
specialized
Crews
that
we're
hoping
to
develop
and
like
create
those
more
specialized
paths.
So
Niall
talked
about
the
leadership
crew.
The
climate
crew
is
another
one
of
those
it
actually
started
last
year,
but
this
year
we
were
really
able
to
like
expand
it
and
enhance
it.
H
So
it
was
two
Crews
one
crew
first
session
and
one
crew
second
session,
and
they
used
devices
that
we
that
are
called
kestrels
and
they
basically
came
up
with
their
own
hypothesis
and
question
about
microclimates
in
Boulder
and
they
placed
I
think
it
was
six
kestrels
out
on
osmp
land
in
places
where
they
were
working
on
work
projects
and
then
collected
data
every
other
week
from
those
kestrels
and
and
then
analyzed
it
at
the
end
of
the
summer.
H
So
we
actually
have
they
wrote
like
a
10-page
report
created
a
whole
presentation
basically
gave
them
a
chance
to
be
really
Hands-On
with
that
scientific
research
process
and
also
see
the
impacts
of
the
climate
changing
on
the
land
that
they
were
working
on
every
day,
and
they
did
all
this.
In
addition
to
doing
Trail
work
for
like
five
hours
a
day,
so
yeah
great.
Q
And
and
then
my
other
question
was
how
many
total
participants
were
there
for
that,
or
in
general
no
I,
this
Janelle
this
may
be
for
you.
As
far
as
the
whole
program
was
concerned,.
H
The
whole
program
is
112
participants
from
the
youth,
Ranger
crew,
plus
all
of
our
Trail
Crews,
and
then
that's
112,
and
then
our
YSI
Junior
Ranger
partnership.
That
I
mentioned.
That
was
an
additional
20
people.
So
actually
it's
132,
total
and.
F
B
Last
year,
I
asked
a
lot
of
questions
about
your
ethnic
diversity
and
I
was
just
tickled
pink
with
the
graphs
that
you
presented
this
year,
showing
the
increase
year
after
year
in
the
diversity
of
the
population
that
you're,
attracting
and
I
know.
It
takes
a
lot
of
work,
but
I
I
think
it's
time
well
spent
and
thank
you
for
that.
R
No
pressure,
but
if
any
of
our
young
folks
Niall
Dana,
Sam
and
Owen
would
like
to
answer
this
question.
They're
still
around
I
would
like
to
know
if
you
know
they're
looking
back
at
their
summer,
what
are
they
most
proud
of
about
their
summer
and
their
experience
if
they
can
name?
One
thing.
K
So
different
from
what
I
previously
talked
about
that
we
were
talking
about
the
bear
Peak
Trailhead,
where
we
were
putting
in
steps,
and
so
we
were
doing
steps
one
day
and
me
and
my
partner
had
finished
a
little
early,
but
we
weren't
quite
sure
whether
or
not
it
was
enough
time
to
put
in
another
step.
K
But
we
were
like
I.
Hopefully
we
have
enough
time,
we're
just
gonna
start
and
we'll
try
to
do
it,
and
so
we
we
started
doing
the
step
and
we
just
did
it
so
quickly
and
we
had
it
done
in
like
43
minutes,
I
think
which
I
I
was
very,
very
proud.
O
We
did
and
see
that
this,
like
one
Hillside,
will
probably
be
better
for
the
several
hours
that
we
put
into
that,
and
it
was
really
great
to
feel
like
we
were
giving
back
and
trying
to
do
something
to
help
at
least
mitigate
the
Damage
Done
to
our
community
by
these
massive
fires
that
have
had
such
an
impact
on
our
lives.
M
I
think
I
was
definitely
most
proud
of
helping
to
lead
a
medical
scenario.
The
first
time
I
did
this
I
watched.
Someone
else.
Do
it
and
I
was
part
of
their
team
and
they
helped
direct
me
and
I
really
admired
how
they
did
it,
and
I
really
wanted
a
chance
to
do
that
this
year
and
I
jumped
in
and
took
the
opportunity
to
do
it
when
I
got
it,
which
is
something
that
I
struggle
with
a
bit
so
I'm
very
proud
that
I
I
went
for
it
and.
C
No
thanks
so
much
for
the
presentation.
This
is
a
really
inspiring
program.
It
was
great
to
see.
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
you
know
outside
in
the
wild
and
the
Boy
Scouts
when
I
was
growing
up
and
it
had
a
huge
impact
on
me
personally.
I
know-
and
you
know
it's
great-
to
see
kids
out
there
doing
this
stuff.
So
thank
you
for
all
the
work
you're
doing.
J
J
Right
so
the
youth
Rangers
are
separate
from
the
Junior
Rangers.
The
Junior
Rangers
are
Trail
based,
but
there's
also
the
specialty
Crews,
like
the
leadership
crew,
the
climate
group,
but
they're
still
that's
Natasha
and
Marley's
realm.
The
youth
Rangers
with
us
do
Ranger
activities
which
includes
the
CPR
and
first
aid.
Okay,.
P
Got
it
and
then
have
you
guys
done
the
fight
for
Life
crew
previously
in
the
past
here
was
this
the
first
time
they
were
able
to
come.
P
I
So
so,
right
now
with
the
youth
Rangers
we're
only
doing
one
session.
You
know
we
can
talk
in
the
future
about
doing
more
than
one,
but
right
now
it's
just
a
four-week
session
and
so
yeah.
We
just
have
them,
come
that
one
special.
Q
Before
we
let
you
guys
go
and
thanks
again
that
was
great.
You've
mentioned
some
reports.
Are
we
going
to
we
the
board,
going
to
get
a
copy
of
the
your
yearly
summary
report
and
if
there
are
other
kind
of
specific
reports,
are
they
going
to
be
online
or
will
we
be
able
to
get
copies
of
those
we'd
like
to
kind
of
see
what
the
results
of
all
of
this
effort
have
been
this
year
and
it
sounds
very
intriguing.
F
Yes,
absolutely
they
are
all
of
our
past
year
kind
of
year-end
reports,
so
Arion,
Melinda,
Marley
and
I
all
kind
of
collaborate
to
do
one
year.
End
report
they're
all
on
our
website
from
past
years,
and
this
year's
will
be
up
there
too,
but
we
can
also
send
it
to
Leah
to
send
to
you
all
great
great.
B
Okay,
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
approval
of
the
minutes
and,
as
usual,
I'd
like
to
do
this
page
by
Page.
So
if
you'll
take
a
look
at
page
one
of
your
minutes
for
the
August
10th
meeting,
does
anybody
have
any
suggestions
for
revision
or
correction.
B
So
if
you
could
just
add
that,
in
this
string
of
things
that
we
asked
about
and
discussed
the
use
of
osmp
parking
for
non-open
space
purposes,.
B
It's
been
moved
and
seconded
that
we
approved
the
August
10th
minutes
as
revised.
Although
oh
I
guess
we
have
to
do
this
by
hand
again,
a
roll
call
vote-
Caroline,
yes,
John,
yes,
Michelle,
yes,
Dave,
yes
and
I
vote
Yes
as
well,
so
we
have
unanimous
approval.
B
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
public
comment
and
since
there
are
no
other
items
on
the
agenda
that
allow
for
a
hearing,
this
is
the
opportunity
for
members
of
the
public
to
make
a
comment
about
the
work
of
osmp
and
if
you
have
not
yet
signed
up
for
public
comment,
if
you'd
either
write
in
the
chat
that
you
want
to
speak
or
raise
your
hand
using
the
hand
raise
function,
will
put
you
in
the
list
of
people
who
want
to
comment
during
this
public
comment
period
and
Laurel.
D
I
have
I
think
it's.
The
only
guideline
I
have
is
that
you
we're
only
doing
audio
testimony,
no
vision,
No
cameras
and
you
get
three
minutes,
does.
D
Yeah
I
think
mentioned
that
we
had
Alan
delamere
here
to
s
that
he
had
signed
up
ahead
of
time
and
I
believe
he
also
has
a
presentation.
B
A
G
There
you
go
okay,
excellent!
So,
as
most
you
know,
I've
been
taking
this
firefighting,
pretty
damn
seriously
and
I
put
a
lot
of
time
in
this
year
and.
G
Happy
when
Dan
assigned
John
Porter
a
senior
manager
to
put
together
a
plan
so
now
next
slide
we
get
to
where
I'm
really
at
I'm,
really
scared.
We
don't
have
a
plan.
The
martial
and
Paradise
fires
showed
organizational
chaos,
I,
don't
know
whether
you
saw
the
PBS
program
last
week
on
Paradise,
but
as
I
watched
that
I
got
shivers
down
my
spine,
because
people
were
talking
about
the
difficulties
that
they
had
and
I
strongly
recommend
everybody
go
to
that
site
and
have
a
look
at
it.
G
There
are
really
good
news.
You
know
it's
always
nice
to
have
good
news.
Wildfire
fighting
plan
really
worked
for
the
Encore
and
sunshine
fires,
so
that
really
makes
us
feel
feel
fairly
complacent
if
you
like.
G
Technology
exists
for
fighting
fires
efficiently
in
high
winds,
and
this
is
something
that
I
found
out
I
dug
into
it
and
there's
this
thing
called
the
Firehawk
helicopter
and
if
it
has
a
thermal
IR
camera
on
it,
it
can
drop
200
gallons
on
a
hot
spot,
zip
back
to
a
lake
and
refill
in
minutes.
So
this
technology
is
exactly
what
we
need
for
fighting
open
space
fires
and
we've
got
more
technology
for
early
detection.
G
G
G
Okay
from
an
information
Viewpoint,
we
need
a
fire
command,
say
a
center
to
collect
and
analyze
data
and
call
for
action.
We
can
get
excellent
weather
forecasts
from
the
people
here
in
Boulder
on
random
humidity,
and
we
want
it
for
about
the
next
hour
at
CSU.
There's
a
satellite
data
system
which
takes
data
from
orbiting
satellites,
the
Passover
Colorado,
and
they
can
suck
data
from
that.
G
It
actually
gets
downloaded
in
Fairbanks
and
then
it
gets
fed
down
to
CSU
and
we
can
get
maps
associated
with
the
fuel
load
on
the
ground
and,
of
course,
we'll
have
our
Rangers
calling
in.
We
can
have
manned
helicopter
data
and
other
hand,
helicopters
and
drone
data
and,
of
course,
fixed
IR.
So
we've
got
lots
of
data
and
it
has
to
be
converted
into
an
actual
information.
Next.
G
G
If
you
don't
mind,
I
would
recommend
we
have
an
hour
session
on
this,
because
this
is
non-trivial
the
you
know.
People
are
very
happy
that
the
city
has
put
money
into
the
budget,
but
it's
only
for
a
few
extra
people
and
that's
not
going
to
solve
our
problem.
We
need
a
very
serious
Proposal
with
an
outline
of
the
proposed
plan
and
cost
estimates
Paradise
they
create
a
three-inch
manual
and
they
knew
their
roads
were
too
narrow
when
they
rode
that
that
manual,
but
they
didn't
find,
couldn't
find
the
money
to
do
anything
with
it.
G
So
they
did
nothing.
So
that's
the
bottom
line
is
that
we
do
need
to
have
a
solid
plan
and
I'm
really
disappointed
that
the
best
John
Porter
has
been
able
to
offer
is
next
February.
He
may
have
his
report
finished
now.
I
shouldn't
shared
my
section
of
that
to
you
and
I
hope,
Dan
that
you
and
I
can
meet
in
the
next
day
or
so
and
go
through
some
of
these
issues.
B
Thanks
Ellen,
would
you
please
email
the
rest
of
your
report
to
osbt.
G
I
did
do
I
sent
the
section
on
firefighting
and
above
and
all
his
slides,
so
it
should
be
in
your
inbox
somewhere.
T
Yeah
Karen
I
believe
it
came
in
today,
so.
T
B
Emails
from
this
afternoon,
thanks
Alan
and
who's
next.
A
B
S
This
is
so
easy
to
unmute
myself,
it's
like
so
simple
and
thank
you
so
much
for
the
participants
list.
You
know
I
go
to
landmarks
board
meeting
and
there
is
no
participants
list,
there's
and-
and
they
say,
they're
doing
a
different
Zoom
format,
probably
because
I
used
rename
to
tell
them
what
to
do
and
they
didn't
like
that.
But
they
won't
tell
me
what
they
really
changed:
the
zoom
format
for,
but
in
any
case
they
said
to
be
consistent
with
other
City
business.
S
Well,
these
meetings
are
so
inconsistent
and
thank
you
so
much
osbp
for,
for
you
know,
being
considerate
of
these
things
and
I
was
amazed
with
the
Junior
Rangers.
They
are
fabulous.
That
group
is
just
so
delightful
I'm,
so
glad
that
we
have
that
here
in
Boulder,
but
you
know
we
need
funds
and
we
need
funds
for
Ellen's
thing.
We
have
the
fire
for
thermal
cameras
for
all
of
this
stuff
and
we're
not
not
going
to
have
those
funds.
S
If
we
do
see
you
sell
and
if
we
give
up
give
away
our
open
space
at
CU
sound.
If
we
do
that,
we're
toast.
That's
the
end.
That's
the
end
of
Boulder.
This
is
seriously
a
huge
thing
coming
up,
you
know,
and
it's
so
ironic
I
was
looking
at
throwing
away
some
signs
old
ones
on
abortion
and
stuff
and
there's
one
vote
Yes.
S
Thank
goodness.
It
says,
vote
Yes.
Let
voters
decide
on
cu's
South
annexation.
This
is
from
years
ago.
You
know
we
got
Bamboozled
for
that.
You
know
Sam
Weaver
at
it
again
after
311,
a
firefighter
Sam
Weaver
a
firefighter
put
311
seven
City
subsidies.
He
was
the
Swing
Vote.
You
know
he
pushed
everybody
about
that.
He
was
planning
board.
Council
mayor.
You
know,
then,
as
if
it
wasn't
enough,
he
made
an
agreement
with
Excel
Energy
and
then,
as
if
that
was
not
enough,
he's
got
to
do
see
himself.
It's
stunning.
S
What
the
power
of
just
one
individual
in
this
community
can
do
and
and
the
impact
of
that
you
know
open
space
has
so
much
deficit
and
I'm
sure
a
lot
goes
into
the
junior
Ranger
pro
pro
program
and
I
want
you
know
what
I
want
from
open
space
is:
let's
have
some
workshops,
something
where
there's
one
to
one.
S
You
know
Sarah
Huntley
always
says:
there's
dialogue,
no,
there's
no
dialogue
here,
I'm
talking
to
you,
know
from
a
black
black
video
window
and
I'm
talking
and
it's
one
way:
that's
not
dialogue
and
most
things
in
life
and
I'm
69
years
old,
so
I
discover
this
as
I
get
older
are
iterative
iterative
means
back
and
forth
and
I
don't
hear
this.
You
know
this
is
not
happening
with
the
city.
There
are
so
many
experts
here
from
CU.
Thank.
S
Okay,
let
me
finish
my
sentence.
Cu
is
great,
but
but
it's
not
that
great,
you
know
it's
better,
not
bigger.
Like
edmon
Fodor
said
through
Al
Bartlett,
you
know,
and
we
need
to
constrain
things
here.
So
thanks
so
much
you
you're
doing
a
great
job
and
I
appreciate
it
and
I
hope.
You
appreciate
my
compliments
for
once
on
your
process
for
the
meetings.
B
Thanks
Lynn
and
now
we're
going
to
turn
back
to
the
board
for
Matters
from
the
board.
B
We
have
three
different
things
that
I
want
to
ask:
if
there
are
comments
or
questions
on
first,
does
anyone
have
any
comments
or
questions
on
the
public
hearing
comments?
I
mean
I
mean
the
public
comments.
T
Karen,
if
I
could
just
chime
in
for
a
quick
second
Alan
is
right.
We
are
planning
to
come
in
quarter,
one
with
a
pretty
comprehensive
report
and
an
update
and
discussion
with
you
all
about
Wildland
fire
program
here
at
osnp
and
touching
a
little
bit
about
how
it
connects
to
the
city-wide
Wildland
fire
program.
So
we
look
forward
to
coming
back
with
that.
T
I
guess,
Alanis
technically
right
that
there
is
no
final
approved
plan,
but
I
think
most
of
you
know
that
we've
been
hard
at
work,
collaborating
with
fire
and
rescue
staff,
putting
all
all
of
our
minds
together
who
are
involved
in
Wildland
fire
and
and
and
developing
a
enhanced
collaboration
around
Wildland
fire
and
in
which
dozens
of
of
proposed
actions
have
been
put
forward.
Those
have
begun
to
be
reviewed
by
City
leadership.
T
A
number
of
them
have
been
sort
of
green
lighted
and
in
which
we
asked
for
staff
to
prioritize
them
and
start
programming
them
then,
and
that
those
these
are
additional
actions
to
what
we
are
already
currently
doing
and
I.
Think
most
of
you
know,
through
our
updates,
with
our
forestry
and
vegetation
program
and
the
April
26th
meeting
we
had
with
the
council
that
there's
already
a
lot
of
existing
work.
T
B
Okay,
then
I'd
like
to
go
on
to
the
information
item
in
your
packet
about
the
North,
Trail
study,
area
implementation
and
the
third
area
for
this
heading
has
to
do
with
the
fort
Chambers
information
item
and
we're
going
to
hold
questions
and
comments
about
that
until
later
on
in
the
agenda,
so
that
we
can
address
that
in
collaboration
with
the
directors
updates
about
Fort
Chambers
and
the
work
with
tribal
members.
B
So
let's
go
to
the
information
item
on
the
North
Trail
study
area
and
any
comments
or
questions
you
have
stemming
from
that.
A
Q
Yeah
thanks
I
have
a
couple
of
comments
that
probably
will
evolve
into
questions,
and
that
is
I
think
the
memo
was
fine
and
was
very
helpful,
informative
as
far
as
you
know,
the
efforts
on
restoring
riparian
areas
and
what's
anticipated,
to
do
that
for
the
what
many
many
femoral
streams
that
bisect
the
West
Beach
in
the
north
sky
Trail.
Q
However,
that
my
concern
is
that
the
memos
seem
when
it
said.
Associated,
restoration,
I
think
that
there
are
far
more
restoration
priorities
than
just
the
riparian
areas
and
I
guess
I'll
make
a
question
as
part
of
the
comment.
Q
Are
we
intending
to
come
back
to
the
board
with
more
information
on
protecting
and
restoring
the
rare
plants,
habitat
and
high
quality
Upland
grassland
habitat?
As
far
as
the
trail
project
is
concerned,
and
specifically
on
visaria
the
bells
twin
pod,
the
occurrences
that
occur
along
the
railroad
grade
that
is
now
proposed
to
be
part
of
the
trail.
How
are
we
intending
to
maintain
and
and
protect,
or
hopefully
restore
some
of
those
so
I?
Q
Think
the
the
restoration
component
of
this
project
is
only
partially
presented
in
this
memo
and
I'm,
hoping
that
we
can
get
more
information
on
what
the
department
is
planning
on
doing
as
far
as
the
rest
of
the
restoration
priorities.
U
Be
happy
to
comment
on
that
Dave,
so
a
couple
of
things
going
on
there.
One
is
the
area
around
the
north
sky
Trail
in
particular.
A
lot
of
the
Upland
habitat
is
in
pretty
good
shape
and
so
really
a
lot
of
the
efforts
that
have
gone
into
the
planning.
U
There
is
avoiding
those
rare
plant
communities
so
specifically
with
the
bells
twin
pod,
I
think
the
trail
alignments
have
been
planned,
such
that
there's
only
a
small
handful
of
individuals
that
will
be
impacted
by
the
trail,
construction
and
the
trails
placement,
and
so
largely
it
was
avoidance.
The
few
that
will
be
impacted
were
definitely
going
to
make
efforts
to
transplant.
That's
not
something
that
is
often
all
that
successful.
U
So
we
we
will
have
to
see
how
that
goes,
but
we'll
certainly
make
efforts
to
salvage
those
individuals
and
Transplant
them
and
then,
as
far
as
restoration,
you
were
talking
about
of
parts
of
the
the
railroad
grade
that
won't
be
used
or
adjacent
areas
or
other
Upland
areas
we'll
use
fairly
typical
Trail
restoration
techniques
there.
U
U
Be
again
trying
to
avoid
that
Habitat
to
the
degree
possible
and
then
protecting
it
from
things
like
Invasion
by
weeds
as
we
move
forward.
U
So
that's
that's
largely.
What's
going
to
be
happening,
there
are
some
places
in
that
area,
especially
adjacent
to
joder,
where
there
was
some
pretty
substantial
disturbance
in
the
past
from
the
the
facilities
that
were
there,
and
so
that
will
involve
far
more
substantial
restoration,
so
earth
work
to
regrade
the
area
and
make
it
more
meet
with
the
exit,
the
topography
that
would
have
been
there
to
begin
with,
and
that
will
then
include
probably
substantial
seating
and
long-term
weed
control.
Q
So
thanks
for
that
I
you
know.
I
had
anticipated
that
or
hope
that
that
would
be
the
response.
So
thanks
so
will
there
is
there
a
plan
or
a
plan
is
being
developed
to
help
me
understand
kind
of
where
we
are
on
a
specific.
You
know,
management
details
regarding
that
project
and
we'll
I
mean
I.
Q
Think
what
you
just
said
would
be
helpful
to
include
in
if
we're
presenting
any
kind
of
restoration
plan
or
information
to
the
public
to
have
you
know
the
full
spectrum
of
the
restoration
efforts
and
if
those
are
outlined
or
defined
in
a
in
a
plan,
then
to
you
know
reference
that
source
of
information,
so
people
can
understand
kind
of
what
the
whole
project
actually
entails.
U
T
And
Heather,
there's
probably
likely
going
to
be
future
updates
on
the
project
and
I.
Just
made
a
note
that
when
we
do
that
to
also
include
some
of
the
details
you
iterated
in
in
in
future
memos
that
might
be
put
out
to
the
board.
So
I've
made
that
note
as
well.
Q
Great
great,
thank
you
very
much.
Both
you
Dan
and
Heather
appreciate
that
yeah.
The
other
comment
or
question
I
had
is
regarding
the
status
of
the
HCA
designation
for
that
area.
West
Beach,
and
that
is
for
my
reading
of
the
memo.
It
wasn't
especially
clear
as
far
as
timing
and
I
think
it's.
It's
certainly
desirable
to
make
sure
that
it's
very
clear
that,
before
the
trail
is
open
to
the
public,
the
area
will
be
designated
a
habitat,
Conservation
Area.
Q
The
language
in
the
memo
I,
don't
know,
said
something
about
generally
coincide,
but
from
my
perspective
we
ought
to
be
very
clear
that
there
should
be
no
expectation
that
there
is
Public
Access
until
that
decision
has
been
made.
T
Yeah,
Dave
and-
and
you
and
I
had
a
chance
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
this.
So
generally,
the
exact
timing
of
when
the
ordinance
would
be
in
place
is
is
obviously
not
known
so
using
the
word
generally,
but
the
HCA
will
be
in
place
at
the
time
that
the
trail
is
opened.
It's.
T
It
is
possible
that
it
could
happen
before,
but
there's
just
a
lot
of
work
to
do
and
because
there's
also
a
no
off
Trail
permit
situation
that
would
be
put
in
place
in
here
too.
We
just
have
to
do
some
more
work
about
the
relationship
between
the
HCA
ordinance
that
Council
will
end
up
adopting
and
then
the
no
off
Trail
permit
requirement
and
how
that
coincides
and
whether
it's
tethered
or
not,
but
basically
I,
think
what
you're
interested
in
is.
T
Yes,
the
HCA
would
be
put
in
place
at
the
time
that
the
trail
is
opened.
B
Dan
since
you've
touched
on
this
just
now
already
I
could
I
ask
about
the
on
trail
requirement
and
the
memo
mentions
enforcing
it.
T
Well
sure,
the
details
of
of
the
enhanced
Ranger
Patrol
that
we
might
ask
for
to
coincide
with
the
opening
of
the
trail.
Some
of
the
monitoring
details,
the
exact
details
of
monitoring
enforcement
are
are
obviously
things
over
the
over
the
next
12
to
18
months.
That
stats
going
to
be
working
on
and
and
I
think
we
outlined
that
in
the
schedule,
especially
as
it
relates
to
monitoring
that's
some
of
the
detailed
discussions
of
what
that
looks
like
is
forthcoming.
T
But
there
is
a
commitment,
obviously
that
when
we
would
put
a
new
one,
new
ordinance
enacting
to
new
HCA
and
then
having
this
one
be
a
little
bit
heightened
in
the
fact
that
there
is
the
on
trail
requirement
it.
It
will
definitely
require
a
little
bit
of
a
plan
of
working
with
Rangers
working
with
Outreach
staff
working
with
Outreach
Rangers
of
of
doing
some
education
work
out
there.
T
R
No,
oh,
no
I
was
just
curious
about
like
what's
the
differences
in
the
dot
in
The
Matrix
of
the
HCA
closure
and
implementation
versus
like
it's
actually
activated
so
I
guess
you
there
has
to
be
and
I
think
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
HCA
designation
process
during
our
Retreat
yeah.
T
We're
gonna
scaffold
provide
you
know
a
10
15
minute
presentation
on
Management
Area
designations,
in
which
a
habitat
conservation
is
one
one
of
these
designations
and
then
we'll
also
be
able
to
provide
you
a
little
bit
more
background
on
what
are
the
steps
it
takes
to
actually
formalize
an
HCA,
and
that
is
one
of
the
management
area
designations
that
does
require
formal
council
action
in
the
form
of
an
ordinance.
T
So
there's
a
little
bit
more
planning
work
and
a
little
bit
more
steps
involved
of
preparing
sort
of
to
get
that
ordinance
in
place
and
then
seeking
Council
action
on
that
ordinance.
So,
unlike
some
other
Management
Area
designations,
such
as
passive
Recreation
or
agriculture
or
natural
area,
habitat
Conservation
Area
is
a
little
bit
of
an
enhanced
action
and
takes
a
little
bit
more
staff
effort
and
obviously
involves
counsel
in
the
end.
R
A
T
And
we
work
with
the
consulate,
the
CAC
Council
advisory
committee
when
they're,
putting
together
the
agenda
of
of
what
is
council's
preference
of
of
how
it
should
be
brought
forward.
But
there
certainly
would
be
a
real,
a
robust
memo
associated
with
it.
There'll
be
the
draft
and
final
language
of
the
ordinance
for
it.
T
There'll
be
Maps
associated
with
what
the
HCA
here
and
Elite
sort
of
a
legal
description
survey
of
the
HCA
area
so
and
that
will
be
all
put
together
as
part
of
a
memo
package
that
Council
would
receive.
B
Etc,
okay,
thank
you.
I
have
two
relatively
quick
questions
and
I,
don't
know
whether
they're
for
Heather
or
Dan
or
another
staff
member,
but
under
the
trail
detail
design.
B
It
describes
the
area
that
has
been
selected
for
crossing
Schneider,
draw
as
a
low
gradient
area
and
in
some
of
the
places
in
the
open
space
system,
where
it's
relatively
easy
to
go
down
the
creek
bank
or
across
a
creek
bed
that
happens,
and
one
of
the
places
that
immediately
comes
to
mind
is
the
Homestead
Trail,
where
people
and
dogs
go
off
Trail
down
into
the
creek
bed
and
around
and
I'm
wondering
what
is
planned
to
make
sure
that,
where
the
high
quality
riparian
area
is
crossed
by
the
trail,
we
don't
damage
that
habitat
by
people
trying
to
go
down
into
the
draw.
T
Yeah
I
I
saw
I,
see
Heather
popped
in
and
Casey
French,
who
sort
of
LED
some
of
the
collaborative
discussions
over
the
last
two
or
three
years
with
our
resource
experts
and
and
aligning
that
alignment
in
Schneider
jaw.
I
certainly
welcome
her
comment,
but
I'll
I'll
just
say
from
a
process
standpoint,
not
technically
your
question
so
I'll
leave
that
to
Heather
or
Casey
just
the
process
we
used
for
the
Schneider
draw
area
was
mini
meetings
of
getting
our
resource
experts.
T
With
to
and
then
also
having
our
Trails
folks
there
to
make
sure
it's
a
sustainable
alignment
and
to
avoid
folks
temptation
to
go
off
Trail
so
trying
to
design
an
alignment
that
will
keep
people
on
trail
is,
it
is
really
key,
but
we
did
emphasize
and
prioritize
ecological
features
in
that
area
as
far
as
where
we
wanted
to
end
up
Landing
the
trail.
So
that's
overall
the
process
itself,
but
in
terms
of
your
technical
question,
I,
don't
know
Heather.
If
given.
L
Well,
there's
going
to
be
the
on
trail
in
the
area,
so
that
will
will
help
yes
and
hello.
Gradient
area
I'm
really
referred
to
like
the
length
of
bridge
we
were
looking
at
because
we
are
kind
of
I
mean
that
so
I
think
that,
even
though
it
is
kind
of
a
low
gradient
crossing
the
bridge
spring,
the
bridge
span
and
design
will
also
help
with
that.
L
In
terms
of
you
know,
it's
it's
it's.
It's
spanning
the
spanning
the
draw
and
am
I
cutting
out.
Oh
okay,
yeah
issues
right
now,
I.
A
Know
Leah:
do
you
agree
with
that?
Karen
I
think
I
think
it's
on
your
end.
If
you
don't
mind
just
muting
in
between
I
can't
quite
tell
but
I
think
that
might
be
right.
C
L
And
as
far
as
the
other
real
design
details
about
the
actual
Bridge
alignment
and
the
trail
I
would
have
to
refer
to
to
Trail,
staffer
or
Chad,
or
to
talk
about
some
of
the
more
precise
Design
Elements
to
keep
to
keep
folks
on
the
to
keep
folks
there.
But
we
did
consider
that
Crossing.
That
mostly
in
regards
to
the
best
place
for
the
ecological
Crossing.
U
And
I
would
just
I
would
just
quickly
add
that
you
know
I.
Think,
along
with
the
trails
project,
certainly
is
going
to
be
a
package
of
fencing
that
goes
along
with
that,
and
we
haven't
really
gotten
into
the
fine
details
of
that.
So
you
know
that
may
be
one
area
where
we
identify
that.
That's
a
useful
place
to
use
that
I
would
also
say
that
you
know
Schneider
draw
down
where
we're
going
to
be
Crossing.
U
It
is
still
somewhat
incised
post-flood
and
you
know
it's
fairly
shrubby,
so
it
it's
not
a
particularly
attractive
place
to
travel
down
into
the
drainage
itself.
It's
certainly
easy
to
travel
along
the
you
know
the
the
upper
Banks
of
it,
but
as
far
as
people
getting
down
and
traveling
up
or
down
the
drainage
from
that
point,
I,
don't
I.
Don't
think
that
that
would
be
very
inviting
or
very
easy
to
do.
I
V
Is
a
is
a
challenge
across
our
system
for
sure,
and
also
just
kind
of
share
that
we're
still
pursuing
the
the
final
design
you
know
so
those.
V
The
actual
bridge
design
and
then
like
what
Heather
was
saying
is
like
incorporating
fencing.
You
know
in
conjunction
with
the
the
bridge
that
we
select
for
final
design.
You
know
that
can
all
help
the
situation
you
know
still.
It
may
not
cure
it,
but
you
know
undesirable
to
walk
down
fencing
bridge
design
that
all
kind
of
adds
to
it
and
we'll
also
be
monitoring
situations
like
that,
and
you
know,
and
keep
that
in
mind.
V
You
know
post
construction
also,
so
those
are
just
some
some
other
factors
to
add
to
it.
B
The
other
quick
question
that
I
have
has
to
do
with
the
joder
area.
Restoration
and
I-
have
heard
from
more
than
one
of
our
lessees
that
the
agricultural
Community
very
much
appreciates
the
housing
that
has
been
made
available
for
agricultural
workers
in
the
in
the
joder
area
and
I'm,
not
familiar
with
all
the
details
of
all
the
structures
there,
but
I've
heard
AG
folks
talk
about
the
cabins
on
jodor.
B
They
describe
them
as
older
structures,
so
I
don't
think
they're
either
the
that
house
that's
further
up
or
the
place
across
from
the
Quonset
hut
that
has
been
used
for
housing
for
years.
Now.
What
can
you
tell
me
about
the
two
cabins
on
the
property
and
their
disposition?.
L
L
So
the
Cox
house
right
now
will
likely
be
left.
We
are
making,
so
we
can
continue
using
that
for
either
volunteer
or
other
housing
and
we're
currently
using
it.
We
have
some
just
to
make
sure
we're
compliant
with
Boulder
County,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
cut
where
we
can
continue
using
that.
So,
if
that
stands
out,
we
will
keep
that
structure,
but
also
taking
all
of
the
structures
related
to
the
Bagel
Farm.
That's
the
one
that
is
actively
leased.
L
That
was
just
relatively
recently
renovated,
so
that
is
on
the
highway.
Yes,.
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
staff
and
we'll
look
forward
to
additional
information,
as
this
goes
on.
B
Dave
and
Michelle
have
an
update
on
the
osbt
retreat
and
we
all
have
a
draft
agenda
in
our
pocket.
So
if
you
can
turn
to
that
and
Dave
and
Michelle
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you.
Q
Karen,
if
I
could
just
make
one
more
comment
on
matters
before
we
get
into
the
retreat,
I
would
appreciate
it
and,
and
that
is,
and
Heather
I'm
glad
you're
you're
still
here,
I
was
out
on
the
high
plains
Trail
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
and
certainly
saw
the
prairie
dog
relocation
efforts
that
are
underway
out
there
and
I've
got
to
tell
you
I'm
I'm,
very
concerned
about
the
impacts
from
those
efforts
and-
and
my
question
is
are:
are
we
sure
that
the
techniques
that
we're
using,
which
involve
you
know
heavy
equipment,
and
it
looks
like
a
lot
of
vehicular
access
and
maneuverability-
are
essential
for
us
to
successfully
relocate
prairie
dogs
because
the
impacts
you
know
I
I,
wouldn't
call
it
a
a
totally
pristine
grassland.
Q
But
basically,
you
know
pretty
undisturbed
grassland.
The
disturbance
factor,
I
think
is,
is
getting
pretty
high
and
you
know
the
Mounds
that
are
that
are
used
for
the
relocation
sites
are,
are,
you
know,
obviously
highly
Disturbed
their
bare
soil?
There
are
a
lot
of
two
tracks
that
are
around
and
anyway,
my
question
is:
can
we
evaluate
the
success
and
appropriateness
of
those
kinds
of
efforts?
As
opposed
to
what
other
options
might
be
suitable
for
a
successful
prairie
dog
relocations.
U
Sure
so
you
know,
the
current
techniques
that
are
used
are
are
largely
coming
out
of
the
prairie
dog
working
group
and
the
recommendations
that
came
from
that
group
nest
boxes
are
a
very
common
technique
used
for
prairie
dog
relocations,
but
in
the
past
we
had
we
had
used
those
in
the
late,
90s
I
believe
and
then
moved
away
from
them
due
to
the
level
of
disturbance
and
use
some
other
techniques
with
with
mixed
results,
but
certainly
some
successes
as
well
that
were
less,
were
less
impactful
and
and
required
disturbing
smaller
areas
of
ground.
U
So
I
agree
with
you,
the
the
you
know,
the
the
impacts
of
digging
until
Prairie
are
are
very
real
and
we're
doing
what
we
can
to
minimize
those.
So,
instead
of
what's
sort
of
typical
of
using
a
backhoe
to
excavate
for
nest
boxes,
we're
using
a
mini
excavator,
we've
also
experimented
with
using
an
auger,
and
it
turns
out
that
the
mini
excavator
actually
has
a
smaller
footprint.
U
You
know
piling
the
the
spoils
on
a
tarp
and
then
then
putting
them
back
into
the
Disturbed
areas
of
the
surrounding
grass
isn't
as
impacted,
but
there
certainly
is
a
footprint
for
each
one
of
those
nest
boxes
and
the
ones
that
we
put
in
last
year
were
seated
and
raked
after
the
relocation
was
complete
and
given
the
extremely
dry
spring
that
we
had,
that
seating
was
not
very
successful,
so
it
probably
looked
rougher
than
it
would.
U
If
we'd
had
a
higher
seating
success,
which
hopefully
we
will
in
future
years,
but
I
definitely
hear
you
that
it's
you
know
and
I
agree
with
you
that
it's
a
high
impact
thing
to
do,
and
you
know
that's
sort
of
one
of
the
trade-offs
that
we
have
with
with
moving
prairie
dogs
around
the
landscape.
U
It's
an
intest
intensive
thing
to
undertake,
and
there
there
may
be
other
relocation
options
that
we
could
explore,
and
we
could
certainly
talk
about
whether
there's
an
opportunity
to
revisit
some
of
those
prairie
dog
working
group
recommendations
that
city
council
accepted
and
look
at
some
other
options,
but
for
now
that
that's
the
direction
that
we
have
for
for
undertaking.
The
relocations,
but
we
are
doing
as
much
as
we
can
to
minimize
first
of
all,
minimize
the
footprint
and
then
you
know,
hopefully
get
some
some
restoration
afterwards
and
on
the
two
tracks
yeah.
U
So
relocations
are
kind
of
a
funny
thing,
because
there's
a
lot
that
happens
and
it
it
seems
like
you,
just
sort
of
walk
out
and
let
a
prairie
dog
go.
But
you
know,
even
once
the
nest
box
is
completely
installed.
They're
they're,
sometimes
taking
on
some
days
hundreds
of
prairie
dogs
out
to
release
in
cages
and
then
going
back
to
feed
them
for
several
days,
while
they're,
while
they're
caged
in
and
can't
move
around
to
forage.
So
there's
a
lot
of
access,
that's
required.
U
We
did
move
this
year
to
requiring
the
relocators
to
have
a
staging
area,
much
closer
to
the
highway
on
the
trail
than
they
have
in
past
years
and
from
there
they
are
only
using
a
UTV
to
access
which
hopefully
should
result
in
a
lot
less
compaction,
a
lot
less
vegetation
damage.
They
have
been
traveling
on
what
has
always
been
a
two-track.
That's
been
used
by
the
Seas
as
well
as
to
access.
U
Some
of
the
utilities
that
run
through
that
area,
so
it
we're
focusing
on
previously
Disturbed
areas,
but
certainly
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of
trips
that
happen
in
the
process
of
a
relocation,
so
that
that's
a
similar
situation
where
once
the
relocation
done-
and
this
year
is
likely
the
last
year
that
we
that
we
will
be
relocating
to
Wanaka,
you
know
we'll
have
Lynn
Riedel
and
Megan
Bose
and
Kelly
Ewing
out
there
looking
at
weeds
and
compaction
and
seeding
needs
and
whatever
we
can
do
to
try
and
you
know
recover
some
of
that
area.
U
So
I
think.
Hopefully,
if
you
go
back
in
a
in
a
year
or
two,
it
will
look
substantially
different
than
it
does
now,
like
anything
that
that
requires
quite
a
bit
of
disturbance
it.
It
definitely
looks
pretty
rough
while
it's
in
process,
you
know,
and
hopefully
long
term,
with
some
some
regular
moisture,
which
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
control
over.
U
Q
Great
well
thanks
for
that,
I
I'm
I
think
that
we're
going
to
get
an
update
on
the
whole
relocation
effort
in
December
and
then
I
know
that
we're
tentatively
planning
a
public
meeting
in
January
on
on
Prairie
Dog
relocation
efforts.
I
I,
am
hopeful
that,
as
part
of
both
of
those
discussions
that
perhaps
we
can,
you
know,
assess
how
successful
you
know.
Our
current
techniques
are
and
and
hopefully
review
some
options
that
you
know
we
might
consider
in
the
future.
To
you
know,
minimize
impacts
as
much
as
possible.
Yeah.
U
I
completely
agree
with
you
and
I
think
it's
a
good
opportunity
to
do
that.
It'll,
probably
actually
be
a
public
meeting
in
December,
followed
by
follow-up
with
the
board
in
January,
so
just
just
reversed,
but
you
know:
I
I
think
we're
at
a
place
where
we
will
have
been
implementing
the
kind
of
new
push
for
relocating
paradox
off
of
agricultural
lands
for
several
years
and
it's
a
good
time
to
sort
of
take
stock.
See
where
we're
at
see.
B
I
just
want
to
add
that
the
lessees
up
north
have
been
very
delighted
with
the
progress
on
the
prairie
dog
reintroduction,
but
when
I
heard
from
Ranchers
who
are
lessees
about
the
two
tracks
and
they
had
observed
destruction
down
in
the
southern
grasslands,
I
know
that
it's
not
just
an
ecological
biological
perception,
but
it's
a
Rancher
perception
about
loss
of
grasslands.
B
So
that
to
me
underscores
the
concern
and
I
think
as
Dave,
and
you
have
said
before
we
move
to
another
high
quality
grassland
area
in
the
southern
part
of
the
system.
We
really
need
to
look
at
the
procedures
that
are
used
so
thanks
for
for
trying
to
make
it,
as
least
impactful,
as
as
you
can,
and
and
we'll
look
forward
to
the
bigger
discussion.
P
Yeah
and
just
to
colloquy
off
of
that,
thank
you
for
the
comments
Dave,
because
I
think
that
in
just
speaking
about
these
things,
this
is
where
we
can
all
kind
of
log
it
into
whatever
filing
cabinet
in
our
brain,
to
see
how
these
changes
over
the
next
five
ten
twenty
years
are
going
to
impact.
If
we
now
realize
that
reseeding
implementations
and
strategies
are
probably
not
going
to
be,
you
know
what
they
were
10
years
ago
and
and
things
like
that
moving
forward.
P
So
putting
all
those
questions
out,
there
are
great
because
in
the
people
you
know,
corresponding
in
those
sections
are
able
to
kind
of
think
about
those
things
moving
forward
to
make
better
plans,
but
that
that's
another
one
of
those
great
examples
of
what
we
used
to
do
and
the
way
we
might
need
to
reframe
our
system
because
of,
like
you,
said
things
that
we
can't
completely
control
like
the
weather.
You
know
so
thank
you.
Q
In
Karen's,
absent
absence,
I'll
jump
in
and
Michelle
I
think
if,
if
you're
ready
we'll
go,
let
me
just
say
a
couple
of
things:
real
quickly
on
the
retreat
agenda:
draft
that's
in
the
packet
Michelle,
Dan
and
I
have
met
several
times
to
kind
of
discuss
the
agenda
for
the
retreat
and
go
over
a
specific
topics,
and
that
sort
of
thing.
So
what
we
have
right
now,
that's
in
the
packet
is
kind
of
what
we've
turned
the
term
The
Bare
Bones
agenda
and
I.
Q
Think
the
conversation
that
we
would
like
to
have
tonight
is,
you
know:
do
we
do
we
have
any
flesh
that
we
want
to
add
to
this,
which
will
both
give
us
more
direction
as
far
as
where
we'd,
like
the
conversation
to
focus
as
well
as
perhaps
some
sideboards
to
make
sure
that
that
that
occurs,
and
also
if
there
are
questions
about
any
of
the
topics
or
suggestions
that
we
have
a
chance
to
to
discuss
those
and
then
include
them
in
the
final
agenda,
which
we
will
send
out
several
days
prior
to
the
retreat.
R
Dave
one
other
thing
I
would
add
to
that
is
we
were
hoping
that
we
might
get
some
volunteers
to
facilitate
some
of
the
individual
topics
right.
Q
And
yeah,
Michelle
and
I
will
will
kind
of
be
the
overseers
of
the
you
know
of
the
sessions.
But
we
would
like
to
have
council
members
if,
if
they
would
like
to
and
are
interested
to,
take
the
lead
role
in
in
kind
of
shepherding
the
discussion
and
we'll
just
provide
kind
of
the
the
umbrella
of
of
you
know
the
administrative
process
to
make
sure
that
we
keep
moving
through
the
agenda.
Q
So,
if
you're
interested
in
any
of
the
topics,
let
us
know
tonight
and
we'll
make
sure
that
we
get
back
with
you
and
go
over
specifically
what
you
know.
You'd
like
to
do.
As
far
as
leading
those
discussions.
B
P
Draft
agenda
before
we
move
to
the
agenda,
there
are
two
sentences.
If
you
look
at
those,
two
sentences
am
I
reading
it
right
that
I
see
it
saying
two
different
things
for
the
trustees:
yeah.
Q
Right,
the
the
reason
for
that
is
that
one
point
Michelle
was
not
going
to
be
able
to
attend
the
meeting
in
person,
and
so
she
was
going
to
join
us
virtually,
but
her
schedule
has
changed
so
that
now
all
the
board
will
can
meet
in
person,
but
the
public
will
still
be
virtual.
Q
It's
kind
of
the
hybrid
I
guess
Dan
the
the
hybrid
meeting
format
that
we're
we're
looking
at
to
see
how
effective
that
that
works.
Actually.
B
B
I'd
be
happy
to
to
do
the
natural
values
items
if
you're
looking
for
specific
volunteers
and
and
would
other
people
be
willing
to
step
up
and
facilitate
the
habitat,
Conservation
Area
designation,
one
and
the
osbt
role
and
the
board
staff
relations.
One
are.
P
There
any
that
Michelle
or
Dave
wanted
for
themselves,
and
the
creation
of
this
was
there
one
that
they
preferred
to
lead.
R
I
was
going
to
volunteer
for
the
osbt
role.
Okay,
part
of
it.
Q
You
know
I
originally
I
had
Caroline
you
and
and
John
kind
of
collaborating
on
the
on
the
board
and
staff
relationships
topic
because
both
of
you
I
think
expressed
interest
in
you
know
in
various
aspects
of
that
relatively
recently.
Q
That
doesn't
mean
that
you
have
to
do
it
or
say
yes,
but
I
thought
perhaps
that's
a
topic
that
you
might
like
to
help.
The
discussion
lead
the
discussion.
P
Yeah
I'm
happy
to
do
that
and
John
and
I
really
haven't
gotten
to
speak
very
much
since
his
time
on
the
board,
so
the
collaboration
to
lead
more
collaboration,
I
like
it
so
for
me
that
works.
C
Q
Q
So
that
we
we
will
make
those
additions
and
then
I
think
as
we
get
closer
to
the
retreat
time,
which
will
probably
be
next
week.
Actually
Michelle
and
or
I
will
get
with
each
of
you
and
kind
of
make
sure
that
everyone's
comfortable
with
the
the
discussion,
format
and
kind
of
Direction
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
that
Michelle
and
I
can
kind
of
set
the
stage.
And
then
then
you
jump
in
and
and
take
the
lead
on.
The
conversation.
Q
It'll
be
coffee,
the
the
food
is
actually
lunch.
No.
Q
I,
don't
know
there
may
be,
there
may
be
some
additional
cinnamon.
B
Q
But
it
won't
be
a
a
sit-down
breakfast,
but
the
lunch
okay.
Lunch
will
be
indeed
Karen.
That
is
probably
a
good
point
for
you,
maybe
to
jump
in
on
the
lunch
topic
as
we're
eating.
G
Q
We're
anticipating,
as
far
as
the
brainstorm
session
for
lunch.
Q
No
I
thought
that
you
were
gonna,
you
guys
were
putting
together.
Oh.
T
Yeah,
so
in
in
in
the
retreat
packet,
which
will
go
out,
at
least
you
know
before
that
weekend
before
the
retreat
so
I'm
aiming
for
Thursday
that
week
before
Thursday
as
part
of
that
packet,
I
will
include
a
draft
capital
letters
of
of
of
right
now
how
2023
is
looking
as
far
as
topics
and
issues
that
are
going
to
be
in
front
of
the
board.
T
You
know
it
it
it's
it's
it's
early
enough
where
I
would
have
to
put
a
big
caveat
saying
this
is
fluid
they're,
certainly
going
to
be
emerging
stuff,
that's
going
to
have
to
come
up,
that's
going
to
be
reflective
of
of
what
2023
looks
like
that
may
not
be
on
this,
and
I
did
my
best
to
estimate
what
quarter
I
think
those
topics
would
come
before
the
board,
and
so
I
would
also
just
ask
that
you
you
take
that
with
some
fluidity.
T
You
know
something
that
right
now,
I've
I
put
down
as
we
might
see
this
in
quarter,
one
it
might
slide
into
Quarter
Two
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
but
I
think
this
is
about
the
earliest
that
the
boards
and
the
staff
has
sort
of
worked
together
to
kind
of
create.
What
would
look
like
an
upcoming
Year's
agenda,
so
I
I
think
it's
a
great
exercise.
T
I
I
took
a
a
lot
of
time
last
week
over
the
last
couple
weeks
and
kind
of
putting
that
together,
it's
being
reviewed
right
now
by
the
deputies
to
make
sure
that
you
know
that
I've
got
it
right
as
far
as
best
of
knowledge
at
this
point
in
time,
but
we'll
have
it
ready
for
the
time
for
the
packet.
So
that
will
give
you
an
idea.
If
there's
something
in
on
your
mind
that
you
would
like
that
you
feel
is
important
for
us
to
discuss
in
23.
T
You
can
then
look
and
see
if
that
topic
area
is
already
represented,
so
I
think
that's
going
to
help
the
lunch
discussion
a
little
bit
for
y'all.
Q
Think
one
of
the
things
that
Michelle
and
I
are
definitely
hopeful
is
that,
along
with
a
suggestion,
you
might
also
suggest
you
know
the
context
for
the
topic
so
whether
it
would
be
you
know,
an
official
board
meeting,
whether
it
be
a
study
session,
whether
it
be
a
field
trip,
whether
it
be
you
know,
a
combination
of
some
of
those
or
whatever,
so
that
we
could
get
an
idea
about
not
only
the
topics
but
kind
of
what
what
makes
sense
schedule
wise
and
time
wise.
Q
If
we
undertake
you
know
more
of
these
suggestions,
so
be
thinking
about
that
as
well.
What
you
think
would
be
the
the
you
know
the
best
context
for
having
for
dealing
with
whatever
you're
going
to
suggest.
T
We
also
talked
about
doing
a
light
prioritization
exercise
at
the
launch,
just
realizing
that
there's
only
so
much
time,
even
in
a
Year's
perspective,
and
that
there
could
be
some
items
that
we
might
have
to
decide
between
this
list.
T
You
know
which
ones
is
more
of
a
priority
for
you
all
and
so
Dave
and
Michelle
and
I
have
kind
of
kicked
around
what
a
sort
of
a
light
prioritization
exercise
we
might
be
able
to
get
to
either
at
the
lunch
or
maybe
come
back
at
at
another
time,
but
hopefully
over
the
lunch
session
that
we
could
do
to
get
an
indication
of
of
of
these
ideas
were
raised.
What
is
what
is
top
of
mind
for
y'all.
Q
And
we
do
a
DOT,
probably
a
diet
exercise
or
something
with
that.
You
know
green
orange
red
well,
no,
we
would
do
not.
R
Q
Shapes
right
we
for
those
of
us
who
are
colorblind,
we
would
need
shapes
as
well
as
colors.
So
anyway,
that
would
be
kind
of
the
exercise
would
be
to
then
we'd
list.
The
the
suggestions
and
then
have
people
yeah,
give
their
notion
of
priorities
and
with
the
suggestions,
would
be
then
kind
of
how
we
think
the
conversation
could
be
most
effective.
B
B
T
Great
we've
got
a
couple
of
items,
and,
and
maybe
just
from
the
agenda
perspective.
Karen
is
maybe,
after
our
first
item
that
will
be
led
by
Heather,
Swanson
and
Ryan
pereshi.
T
We
might
want
to
just
look
at
whether
or
not
we
want
a
five
or
ten
minute
break,
because
the
Trails
program
would
be
the
lengthier
of
the
two.
But
with
that
we
wanted
to
just
provide
you
a
quick
update
on
some
updates
in
regards
to
conservation
efforts
around
the
prebles
metal
jumping
mouse
and
the
conservation
planning
and
monitoring
work
around
that
and
so
I
think
I'm
going
to
turn
things
over
to
Heather
who's,
going
to
do
a
brief
introduction
and
then
turn
things
over
to
Ryan.
So
foreign.
C
U
I
I
think
that
you
mostly
all
know
who
I
am
but
I'm
Heather
Swanson
I'm,
the
ecological
stewardship
manager
for
the
group
for
the
Department,
as
well
as
a
wildlife,
ecologist
and
prebble's
metal.
Jumping
mouse
is
a
species
that
we
have
been
working
with.
Certainly
as
long
as
I've
been
with
the
Department,
it
is
a
federally
threatened
species.
U
So
it's
obviously
a
species
of
conservation
Focus
for
us,
and
so
tonight
we're
going
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
ongoing
work
that
we
have
with
prebles
as
well
as
kind
of
a
new
development
in
the
conservation
planning
for
the
species
as
a
whole,
and
tonight
we're
going
to
have
Ryan,
prioreschi
and
Ryan
I,
don't
know
if
you've
ever
presented
to
the
board,
maybe
not
nope,
all
right.
Well,
I'll!
U
Let
Ryan
really
introduce
himself,
but
Ryan
is
one
of
our
Wildlife
ecologists,
with
the
department
and
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
he's
been
getting
increasingly
involved
in
taking
some
of
the
lead
on
the
prebles
conservation
management
and
monitoring,
and
for
quite
a
few
years
now
he's
actually
really
been
the
one
who's
made.
Our
field
surveys
possible.
They
are
labor
intensive
and
take
a
whole
lot
of
coordination
and
Logistics,
and
he's
been
great
at
that.
So
he's
now
getting
a
lot
more
involved
in
the
the
management
and
conservation
conversations
and
so
Ryan.
W
Sounds
good
yeah,
like
Heather,
said
I'm
my
name's
Ryan
I'm,
one
of
the
wildlife
ecologists
there's
two
of
us
in
this
kind
of
in
the
same
sort
of
level
as
I.
W
Am
we
handle
a
lot
of
the
day-to-day
kind
of
operations
of
field
monitoring
and
that
sort
of
those
sort
of
aspects
I've
been
with
the
with
open
space
for
about
12
years
now
and
I've
been
doing
the
small
mammal
work
pretty
much
since
the
start,
so
yeah
and
so
I
can
just
go
ahead
and
hop
into
our
presentation
unless
Heather
wanted
to
add
anything
else,.
W
Can
everybody
see
that
go
so
yeah
yeah.
U
W
All
right
so
yeah
this
is
a
picture
of
a
prebles
and
I'll.
Get
back.
I'll
show
you
another
one
in
a
little
bit.
W
That's
a
picture
of
us
setting
up
for
some
field,
surveying
so
provo's
metal
jumping
mouse
is
how
their
set
is
threatened.
Largely
it's
decline
has
been
due
to
Habitat
lost,
mostly
due
to
development
people
wanting
to
live
and
how
you
can
riparian
areas
there's
also
some
water
infrastructure
and
agriculture
that
causes
habitat
loss.
W
Basically,
anything
in
or
around
waterways
that
reduces
habitat
is
impacting
these
mice.
In
the
northern
Front
Range.
Here
in
1998,
they
were
listed
per
the
esa
as
a
threatened
species
in
2010.
The
fish
and
wildlife
service
designated
South,
Boulder,
Creek
and
part
of
Spring
Brook
as
critical
habitat
and
that's
habitat.
That's
critical
to
the
species
surviving
and
persisting
open
space
started
monitoring
in
Earnest
in
1996
kind
of
when
we
knew
that
things
were
gonna
that
the
species
was
gonna
get
listed
and
it
was
populations
are
declining.
W
Initial
research
was
evaluated
at
to
determine
habitat
use
population
levels
and
where
the
mice
hibernate
along
South,
Boulder,
Creek
and
then
pure
periodic
modern.
Sorry,
periodic
monitoring
has
continued
since
mostly
to
determine
where
they
live.
W
So
the
Pebbles
live
in
Wetland
and
riparian
areas
in
the
northern
Front
Range
and
Northeast
Colorado
and
Southeast
Wyoming
on
osmp
they're,
mostly
associated
with
South,
Boulder,
Creek
and
adjoining
tributaries
and
ditches.
They
are
in
some
Foothill
drainage
and
stuff.
They
typically
use
the
Upland
grassy
areas
for
seed
and
fruit
and
insect
foraging.
W
W
They
they're
underground
most
of
the
Year,
especially
the
males,
and
they
only
have
one
to
two
litters
each
year,
which
is
different
than
a
lot
of
our
other
small
mammals,
say:
deer
mice
that
can
have
nine
or
ten
litters
a
year,
which
is
part
of
the
reason
they
they
don't
recover
as
quickly
as
some
other
species
do
and
they're
a
very
distinct
Mouse,
with
a
very
long
tail
and
hind
feet
to
use
for
jumping.
W
W
So
here
is
a
map
of
the
critical
area
that
was
designated
by
fish
and
wildlife
service.
So
you
can
see
it
stretches
from
Baseline
Road
kind
of
right
at
Bobolink,
Trailhead
South
to
almost
El
Dorado,
Springs
Canyon,
and
then
you
can
see
on
the
very
south
and
there's
a
little
spur
and
that's
Spring
Brook
so
kind
of,
if
you
just
imagine,
along
El,
Dorado,
Springs,
Drive,
Southwest,
Creek
and
then
extending
up
to
bubbling
trailhead.
W
W
W
We
also
do
population
density,
which
is
again
live
trapping,
but
it's
got
a
mark
and
recite
component
to
it
and
to
do
the
markery
site.
We
use
pit
tags
similar
to
what
you
would
see
in
your
dog
or
cat,
and
then
we
also
do
habitat
evaluations
just
to
determine
if
the
mouse
could
even
live
there
before
we
actually
try
to
trap
or
not.
W
Some
of
the
recent
monitorings
we've
done
and
they'll
be
highlighted,
presence
is
highlighted
in
Green
in
the
absence
of
the
mouse
is
highlighted
in
the
red,
so
just
this
year
and
actually
Dan
and
John
were
able
to
come
out
with
us.
We
did
some
trapping
along
South
Boulder
Creek
Upstream
of
Highway
893,
which
was
really
interesting
to
us,
because
we'd
never
trapped
there
and
we
did
catch
prebles.
We
also
caught
him
in
Spring
broke
again,
which
was
really
good
news,
Towhee
and
North
Foothills
drainages
that
we
trapped
this
year.
W
We
didn't
catch
any,
not
terribly
surprised,
it
was
kind
of
a
dry
year
and
they
kind
of
move
with
the
water
2018.
We
trapped,
South,
Boulder,
Creek,
closer
to
Bob,
link,
Trailhead
and
some
of
the
ditches
in
that
area.
2017
daddy,
draw
on
Schneider
draw
2016,
lower
Bear,
Canyon
and
Coal
Creek
and
Coal.
Creek
here
is
red,
there's
probably
mice
there,
but
we
use
an
old
trapping
method
that
somebody
had
done
a
long
time
ago
and
it's
not
targeted
for
prebles.
W
So
we
were
trying
really
looking
at
the
resilience
of
the
mouse
in
some
of
these
2014
was,
of
course,
post
flood
on
South,
Boulder
Creek,
and
we
did
catch
mice
there
immediately
following
the
flood,
which
was
good
news
and
here's
sorry
I
skipped
it
skip
back
and
you
might
recognize
somebody
holding
a
mouse
here,
that's
Dave
in
case
you
can't
tell
through
the
head
net,
so
we
use
our
man.
W
We
trap
the
mice
to
inform
a
lot
of
our
management,
specifically
around
Trails
Bridge,
when
we
have
to
build
Bridges
outside
consultations.
So
if
we're
working
with
Excel
to
run
power
lines,
things
like
that,
we
also
use
them
internally
for
our
weed
control,
agriculture,
ditch
maintenance,
Etc,
and
so
we
try
to
figure
out
where
the
mouse
mice
is,
and
we
also
help
kind
of
navigate
the
regulatory
process
with
other,
especially
internal
users.
W
So
then,
some
of
our
monitoring
results
when
we
first
started
trapping
or
when
trapping
was
first
conducted
in
the
late
90s
along
South,
Boulder
Creek
they're
catching
30,
or
you
can
see
the
numbers
here
up
to
86
miles
per
kilometer
After
the
flood.
We
saw
a
decrease,
it
wasn't
a
huge
decrease,
but
definitely
a
decrease
that
may
have
been
due
to
the
flood.
It
may
have
been
due
to
the
natural
cycle
of
these
small
mammals,
their
populations,
kind
of
rise
and
fall
through
time.
W
Here
is
a
map
of
where
trapping
has
been
conducted,
and
this
is
a
fish
and
wildlife
service
map.
This
isn't
actually
our
data,
and
so
one
of
the
interesting
things
I
wanted
to
point
out
on
this
map
is
you
can
see
red
dots
and
green
dots
in
the
same
drainage,
which
can
kind
of
show
you
that
some
years
you'll
catch
mice
in
a
spot
in
some
usually
won't.
So
they
can
really
vary
from
year
to
year.
W
So
then
kind
of
Switching
gears
a
little
bit
into
the
conservation
planning
that
we're
working
on
now
so
in,
like
we
had
said
in
2008,
Pro
or
sorry
in
1998,
the
prebles
was
listed
as
an
endangered
species
as
a
threatened
species
and
at
the
time,
a
conservation,
a
recovery
plan
was
created,
but
it
was
really
skeletal.
W
Recently
in
2018
they
came
out
with
a
new
recovery
plan
that
really
looked
at
the
status
of
the
species
as
it
currently
is
the
threats
to
the
species,
the
recovery
criteria
and
protection
measures
and
guidance.
One
of
the
biggest
things
that
it
did
has
come
up
came
out
with
the
site
conservation
team
plans
and
it's
different
than
what
other
recovery
plans
have
done.
W
It
really
looks
to
draw
on
a
Grassroots
effort,
bringing
together
local
stakeholders
and
having
them,
inform
the
protective
measures
and
the
guidance
for
recovering
the
mice
versus
a
top
down
from
the
federal
government
dictating
so
and
one
of
the
and
the
way
it
did.
That
is
kind
of
focusing
on
the
water
on
Watershed
levels,
rather
than
individual
Properties
or
individual
streams.
So
they're
larger
areas
with
a
lot
of
stakeholders
and
then
they
offer
they
try
to
identify
the
opportunities
and
then
get
some
guidance
to
support
the
restoration
and
conservation
of
the
mouse.
W
W
Each
SCT
is
defined
based
on
a
miles
of
Creek
or
defined,
based
on
how
many
mice
they
want
to
have
there,
which
ultimately
translates
to
miles
of
Creek.
So
there's
one
large
one
so
far
in
the
state
and
that's
the
Pooter
there's
some
there's
several
mediums
and
we
are.
We
are
a
medium
and
then
there's
several
Smalls
and
there
will
be
more
to
come
and
then
so.
The
goal
is
to
identify
areas
within
the
entire
Watershed
to
designate
as
the
recovery
population.
W
And
then
all
the
recovery
populations
be
kind
will
be
combined
to
determine
if
the
species
can
be
delisted
or
not
so
they're
not
going
to
look
at
areas
outside
of
these
scts
to
see
how
the
mice
are
doing
they're
only
looking
at
the
SCT
recovery
populations.
If
those
populations
are
doing
well
enough
in
the
future,
they
can
look
at
delisting,
the
mouse.
If
not
it'll
stay
listed.
W
So
the
saint
brain
Watershed
includes
South
Boulder,
Creek
and
Saint
Vrain
Creek
and
we've
been
identified
for
a
medium
recovery
population.
So
that's
about
11
miles
of
Creek.
It's
about
11
miles
because
they're,
assuming
that
there
is
a
certain
density
population
density
of
mice.
In
that
given
11
miles.
If
it's
a
little
bit
less,
then
we'll
need
a
few
more
miles.
If
it's.
If
we
have
really
high
populations,
then
we
can
potentially
go
to
less
distance.
W
So
our
team
started
meeting
in
2000
in
2021
in
February.
Of
course,
everything
was
virtual
still
and
still
been
virtual.
The
team
consists
of
a
fish
and
wildlife
liaison
agency,
Personnel,
so
largely
city
of
Boulder,
Open,
Space,
Mountain.
C
W
Osmp
staff
consists
of
Heather
and
myself
and
one
of
the
co-chairs
of
the
SCT
and
then
Amy
Wilhite,
who
is
our
Water
Resources
supervisor,
and
also
definitely
our
Water
Resources
expert.
W
So
far
for
the
SCT,
we
have
completed
our
team
charter,
land
use
and
land
ownership,
data
collection,
our
habitat
evaluation
criteria
and
we've
done
the
initial
Outreach,
especially
to
ditch
companies
and
water
users,
since
they're,
so
heavily
impacted
by
these
decisions.
W
What
we're
doing
in
progress
now
are
habitat
evaluations
to
determine
kind
of
what
the
what
on
the
ground
habitat
looks
like
for
the
mice
and
then
developing
a
website
which
will
be
hosted
through
csu's
Center
for
collaborate,
conservation,
collaboration
and.
W
So
our
next
steps
are
going
to
be
identifying
a
population,
a
recovery
population
So,
currently
we're
looking
at
both
South
Boulder
Creek
and
Saint
vain
Creek,
and
we
eventually
either
need
to
pick
one
or
the
other
or
potentially
we
can
pick
both,
which
may
be
a
little
bit
more
work,
but
we're
already
doing
a
lot
of
the
work
anyways.
So
it
might
make
sense,
then
we'll
submit
our
nomination
with
fish
and
wildlife
Service.
W
W
That
sort
of
thing
and
then
ongoing
monitoring
part
of
the
recovery
plan
requires
a
lot
of
monitoring
for
the
mice
to
see
how
the
population
are
doing
and
that
will
largely
our
understanding
be
carried
out
by
the
fish
and
wildlife
service
or
their
Consultants.
Although
we
will
be
closely
involved
as
well.
W
So
basically,
what
we
get
is
we're
contributing
staff,
time
and
resources.
We
have
ongoing
collaboration
with
our
partners
and
federal
biologists,
we'll
get
support
for
periodic
monitoring
and
we'll
continue
to
focus
on
Provost
conservation.
Regardless
of
what
happens
with
the
SCT
open
space
has
been
committed
to
prebles
conservation,
and
we
will
continue
to
focus
on
Provost
conservation,
regardless
of
if
South,
Boulder
Creek
is
the
selective,
Creek
or
not
kind.
W
Participating
are
yeah
well,
what
they
get
is
more
expertise
and
a
lot
and
helping
out
in
the
SCT
new
focus
and
supportive
management
that
we're
already
doing
so.
That
would
just
add
to
that
effort.
W
If
Saltwater
Creek
is
designated,
then
we
would
get
additional
resources
from
the
federal
government,
which
could
potentially
include
Federal
grant
funding
to
restore
areas
that
might
not
be
as
nice
as
some
of
the
other
areas
along
South,
Boulder,
Creek
and
then
one
of
the
greatest
biggest
things
coming
out
of
the
SCT.
W
W
And
so
they
they
really
do
jump
as
opposed
to.
If
you
see
our
other
little
field
mice,
that
kind
of
just
just
Scurry
through
the
grass.
W
W
I,
don't
know
how
to
stop
sharing
oh
found
it.
So
that's
all
that
was
our
presentation.
If
you
have
any,
if
there's
any
questions,
we'd
love
to
answer
them.
If
we
can.
W
P
Yeah,
thank
you
so
much
for
that.
My
question
is
going
to
be
a
bit
skewed
because,
as
I
was,
writing
it
a
really
cute
little
mouse.
Video
came
up
and
I
stopped.
Writing
my
question
and
just
stared
at
the
video.
So
at
the
end
you
were
saying
about
the
creek
that
any
additional
regulatory
requirements
wouldn't
be
needed
if
we
I'm
using
the
wrong
word.
But
if
we
built
it
ourselves,
can
you
tell
me
a
little
bit
more
about
what
you
were
speaking
about
in
that
sentence?
Yeah.
W
And
I'll
start
and
then
Heather
can
probably
we'll
be
able
to
add
on
to
it,
but
generally
so,
regardless
of,
if
we're
select
or
not,
we
already
basically
maintain
South
Boulder
Creek
at
a
very
high
level
in
regards
to
prebles
we're
very
careful
about
what
we
do
along
that
Creek.
So
we're
already
meeting
essentially
any
guidelines
there
would
be.
W
But
if
we,
if
we
are
selected
for
the
SCT,
there
won't
be
any
additional
regulatory
responsibility,
essentially
because
we're
the
ones
creating
kind
of
creating
the
management
plan.
So
we'll
already
be
implementing
that
versus
again
versus
being
dictated
by
the
federal
government
of
what
you
need
to
do.
W
W
So
this
we
would
with
the
creation
of
the
SCT
it
would
it
wouldn't
be
a
plan,
necessarily
it's
more
of
a
regulatory
or
a
conservation
framework
than
than
a
conservation
plan
and
Heather.
You
could
probably
clarify
that
better
sure.
U
Yeah,
and
so
it
wouldn't
be
a
management
plan
in
the
sense
that
open
space
has
management
plans,
but
it
would
be
a
conservation
plan
that
would
outline
what
opportunities
exist
in
the
in
the
the
designated
population,
whether
it's
South,
Boulder,
Creek
or
the
saint
brain
you
know,
and
what
what
Partnerships
or
grants
might
be
pursued
any
priorities
for
conservation
that
the
that
the
landowners
or
fish
and
wildlife
have.
So
it's
really
just
kind
of
getting
down
on
paper.
U
What
can
be
done
to
further
the
conservation
of
the
species?
Again,
it's
not
a
binding
document.
That's
directing
anybody
anything
that
they
have
to
do
with
the
with
the
properties,
it's
more
of
just
capturing
what
opportunities
are
out
there
and
how
that
might
be
implemented
and
I
I
would
just
sort
of
add
on
the
additional
regulatory.
You
know
the
species
will
continue
to
be
regulated.
U
Under
The,
Endangered,
Species
Act,
just
as
it
is
so
those
so
those
regulations
remain
the
same,
whether
it's
a
designated
recovery
population
or
not,
and
so
that
would
still
be
what
would
dictate
any
regulatory
oversight.
Now,
in
direct
contrast
to
that
in
2010,
when
South
Boulder
Creek
was
designated
as
critical
habitat,
that
Federal
designation
actually
does
carry
with
it
an
additional
regulatory
implications
for
projects
that
involve
a
federal
Nexus,
which
is
either
a
federal
project
or
a
project
with
Federal
money.
U
So
a
lot
of
really
large
scale
projects
either
have
to
go
through
permanent,
with
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers,
or
have
federal
dollars
associated
with
them,
and
so
that
critical
habitat
does
actually
have
an
over
laid
additional
regulatory
element
to
it.
Having
this
be
a
designated
recovery
population
would
not
be
that
situation,
so
the
regulations
would
look
just
like
they
do
now.
U
There
would
just
be
a
little
bit
more
specificity
around
what
conservation
measures
might
be
able
to
happen
and
more
kind
of
focus,
support
for
that
from
local
Partners,
State
partners
and
federal
partners.
P
So
I
actually
meant
to
do
this
myself
and
it's
just
been
sitting
on
my
to-do
list,
but
I
know
that
our
laws
was
someone
talking
or
is
that
just
back
no,
some
of
our
laws
that
have
changed
regarding
endangered
species
but
I
think
it's
more
of
our
water
conservation
act
in
on
my
to-do
list.
It
has
been
to
look
and
see
how
those
either
I
don't
know
if
they
were
immediately
implemented
or
upcoming
changes,
how
they
will
affect
South,
Boulder,
Creek
and
that
watershed
area.
P
If
those
regulatory
requirements
will
affect
you
know
in
our
community,
our
specific
spaces
or
if
they,
you
know,
don't
seem
to
to
touch
or
outline
that
area.
So
I
don't
know
when
that
change
happened.
If
anyone
saw
or
noticed
that
any
effects
taking
place,
but
some
it
is
something
just
to
kind
of
keep
on
everyone's
mind.
U
It
is
a
threatened
species,
but
but
the
the
overall
regulatory
framework
is
The,
Endangered,
Species
Act
and
that
covers
both
threatened
and
endangered
species,
so
prebels
are
designated
as
threatened,
but
the
the
regulatory
framework
is
is
The,
Endangered
Species
Act,
which
covers
both
both
of
those
categories
and
yeah
Caroline.
You
know
I'd
be
interested
in
finding
out
what
you
know.
U
What
changes
it
is
that
you're
you're,
referring
to
certainly
water
use
and
prebles
intersect
to
a
very
great
degree,
because
all
of
these
Creeks
are,
you
know,
fairly
heavily
managed
and
have
a
lot
of
ditch,
diversions
off
of
them
and
water
rights
associated
with
them
and
really
in
the
South
Boulder
Creek
floodplain.
Those
ditches
are
supporting
a
lot
of
the
wet
metal
habitats
that
you
know
no
longer
receive
flood
waters,
seasonally
like
they
would
have
naturally,
and
so
any
changes
to
those
to
the
way
that
water
is
administered
or
regulated.
U
G
U
If
you,
if
you
come
across
anything
that
that
looks
particularly
either
concerning
or
interesting,
I'd
be
interested
in
hearing
it.
P
Well,
it
was,
it
was
a
it
may
or
may
not.
You
know
there
might
the
changes
might
actually,
you
know,
have
really
nothing
to
do
with
our
space
and
area
it,
but
if
they
do
and
the
way
that
you
guys
talk
about
zoning,
the
recovery
areas
and
how
you
make
those
larger
smaller,
depending
on
the
amount
of
amount.
You
know
mice
that
you
want
to
see
in
the
area
it
could
affect
that.
It
could
also
not
affect
that
because
it's
still
on
my
to-do
list
and
I
haven't
done
it.
P
So
so
we
shall
see,
but
just
just
to
touch
on
that
to
keep
that
you
know.
Maybe
someone
else
is
better
at
checking
off
their
to-do
list.
If
that
was
interesting,.
Q
So
Ryan
I
had
a
question
have:
have
you
tried
to
correlate
the
Trail
use,
levels
and
population
dynamics
of
prebles
and
the
reason
I'm
asking
is
that
we
all
know
what
might
happen
in
the
future
along
South
Boulder
Creek,
and
what
might
happen
is
that
there
will
be
thousands
of
people
in
an
area
that
there
have
not
been
historically
in
you
know
there
are
Trails,
obviously
along
South,
Boulder
Creek,
and
so
what
I'm
wondering
I
I
know
the
effect.
Q
You
know
the
impacts
of
Agriculture
water
diversion
and
all
of
that,
but
have
we
seen
any
impact
from
you
know,
Trail
use
levels
that
we
can
correlate.
W
So,
on
open
space,
specifically
when
we
are
so
in
order
to
estimate
population,
we
have
to
do
the
Mercury
site
when
we're
doing
the
mark
reset
capturing
in
order
to
get
the
levels
that
we
need
to
get
any
sort
of
level
of
confidence
in
our
population.
We
have
to
catch
a
lot
of
problems
over
a
large
area.
W
W
Specifically,
it
would
be
hard
to
draw
that
correlation
just
because
you've
got
two
different
you're
kind
of
looking
at
two
different
areas,
and
so
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
we've
never
really
done
that
correlation
I
know,
other
people
have
in
other
areas
and
generally,
what
it
comes
down
to
is
any
sort
of
riparian
impact
is
generally
negative
for
the
mice
you
get
houses
when
you
get
houses
and
that
sort
of
development
closer
to
the
riparian
areas
for
one
they
just
unpacked
the
stream
quality,
which
overall
lowers
the
repair
area.
W
Quality,
we
also
get
greater
anthropogenic
threats
from
my
from
cats
house,
mice,
rats
things
like
that
when
you
start
talking
about
Trails,
if
you've
got
a
small,
gravel
Trail,
that's
something
that
a
mouse
can
easily
navigate
it's
it.
Your
impacts
are
probably
relatively
small
as
use
increases
and
those
trails
get
larger,
especially
if
you
move
to
pave
trails
and
things
like
that.
W
A
trail
next
to
the
riparian
area
is
probably
not
as
impactful
as
you
know,
housing
tract,
for
example,
but
there's
always
going
to
be
some
level
of
impact
from
Trails.
Going
back
to
your
original
question,
we
have
not
done
that
correlation.
We
haven't.
We
don't
have
enough
data
to
do
that,
accurately
anyways,
and
so
we
we
haven't
made
that
correlation,
but
other
people
have
and
I
know
that
they've
found
impacts,
basically
just
just
based
on
the
level
of
use
of
an
area
and
how
many
mice
they're
catching
there.
U
So
just
one
quick
thing
to
add
back
in
the
late
90s,
Karen,
meanie
and
Ann
Ruggles
did
do
a
study
where
they
and
they
they
were
pooling
data
for
several
years
to
reach
those
sample
sizes
that
they
needed.
They
did
do
a
study
along
the
stretch
of
Bobolink
and
then
Upstream
of
U.S
36,
sorry
Upstream
of
South
Boulder
Road
before
that
section
of
Trail
was
built.
So
at
that
time
that
was
an
untrailed
section
and
it
at
that
time
they
didn't
find
any
significant
differences
between
the
two
areas.
U
Now
that
was
about
1996-97,
so
use
levels
looked
fundamentally
different
from
what
they
do
today
and
probably
fundamentally
different
from
what
they
will
in
the
future.
So
it'd
be
interesting
to
keep
looking
at
that
one.
Mitigating
factor
for
Pebbles
is
that
they're
largely
nocturnal.
So
as
far
as
them,
we
do
see
them
out
during
the
day
when
we're
out
doing
field
work,
so
they're
not
entirely
nocturnal
but
they're
less
likely
than
some
species
to
have
direct
interactions
with
people
or
dogs
if
it's
just
daytime
Recreation
on
the
trail.
U
So
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
Ryan's
talking
about
is
you
know.
Obviously
a
trail
is
displacing
vegetation
and
you
know
maybe
having
some
impacts
of
weeds
and
that
type
of
thing
that
that
sort
of
degrades
the
habitat
in
general,
but
not
not
quite
as
specifically
as
as
it
might
for
some
species
that
are
actually
run
turning
into
people
and
dogs,
while
they're
using
the
trail
right.
A
B
B
B
W
We
it's
and
like
Heather
said
when
Anne
and
Karen
meanie
did
this
work
a
long
time
ago
they
took
several
years
of
data
to
pool
when
we're
trying
to
look
at.
If
we
pulled
all
of
our
data,
we
might
be
able
to
kind
of
look
at
what
Dan
was
speaking
to,
but
within
a
given
Year
we're
not
getting
to
High
Enough
captures
and
recaptures
of
prebles
to
be
able
to
look
at
a
given
trapping
transect.
The
transects
are
large
and
we
do
catch
several
mice
per
transect.
W
But
in
order
to
get
any
sort
of
statistical
confidence,
we
have
to
pull
all
of
our
traps
together,
which
includes
areas
near
bobbling
and
areas
Upstream
from
there,
and
even
though
the
use
is
different
in
those
two
areas,
I
would
say
that
different
uses
caused
the
cause,
different
differences
in
the
mice,
so
near
bobbling.
There's
a
lot
of
humans,
dogs,
bikes
that
sort
of
thing,
but
as
you
move
Upstream
in
some
of
that
areas,
there's
cows
that
can
graze
to
the
creek,
which,
of
course,
cows
can
have
negative
impacts.
A
lot
of
that
area.
W
There's
cows
and
there's
no
negative
impact.
So
some
of
that
area
has
less
shrubs,
which
decreases
the
prebles
populations,
but
also
near
Bobolink.
W
There's
some
ditches
that
we
survey
as
well
in
that
area
and
those
ditches
actually
have
a
very
nice
riparian,
shrub
component
to
them,
and
we
catch
quite
a
few
mice
there
too,
so
they
contribute
to
the
overall
population.
So
it's
hard
to
look
at
each
individual,
transect
and.
W
B
W
But
Springbrook
is
a
very
different
looking
drainage,
yeah,
it's
more
of
a
mountain
drainage
and
even
though
Springbrook
looks
very
nice
and
it
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
those
factors,
it's
not
a
perennial
stream.
It
dries
out.
The
mice
definitely
do
prefer
kind
of
that
well-developed
riparian
vegetation
and
Springbrook
doesn't
necessarily
have
that
throughout.
I
P
With
them,
if,
if
they
have
their
most
pristine
desired,
riparian
area
are,
are
they
happy
to
stay
put
in?
You
know
a
three
by
three
foot
space
if
they
have
everything
they
need,
or
do
they
have
some
version
of
a
Rome
area,
even
when
provided
the
best
of
the
best
that
they
like.
W
They
can
move
so
they
move,
they
do
move
and
they
can
move
quite
a
distance
we've
within
a
week
of
trapping
we've
had
them
move
three
and
four
hundred
meters.
So,
if
you
consider
you
know
a
six
inch
Mouse,
that's
that's
a
pretty
good
distance
to
cover,
so
they
do
definitely
move
and
I
we're
actually
discussing
this
today.
I
can't
remember
exactly
how
big
their
home
range
is,
but
it
is
fairly
large,
especially
for
a
rodent
one
of
the
biggest
things.
W
Is
they
kind
of
move
from
their
protected
areas
of
shrubs
to
Uplands,
which
is
where
they
they
forage?
So
they'll
move
quite
a
distance
even
within
a
night
or
a
day,
so
yeah?
No,
they
they
need
a
good
chunk
of
protected
land.
P
And
is
that
part
of
like
the
nocturnal
quality
I,
don't
know
a
lot
about?
You
know.
Small
mammals
that
are
nocturnal
and
and
those
qualities
is
that
nocturnal
variable.
A
part
of
that
like
roaming
and
movement.
Is
you
know
when
everything
gets
quiet,
that's
when
they
get
up
and
they
they
do
their
thing
and
then
they're,
tired
by
Dawn
and
go
to
sleep
all
day?
Is
that
kind
of
their.
W
W
W
U
And
I
will
just
say
that
there
is
a
prebles
researcher
who
was
really
trying
to
get
a
better
handle
on
habitat
use,
because
it's
a
tough
thing
to
look
at
you
know
putting
transmitters
on
something
as
small
as
a
mouse.
That's
trying
to
move
through
vegetation
is
is
a
challenging
thing
to
do,
and
so
he
he
was
actually
trying
to
put
an
iridescent
dye
on
them
and
then
release
them.
U
And
then
he
would
go
out
the
next
morning
and
try
to
see
if
he
could
see
their
Trails
through
the
vegetation,
which
was
a
fascinating
idea.
Unfortunately,
it
seemed
like
the
dye
rubbed
off
within
sort
of
the
first
couple
of
movements
through
the
thick
grass,
so
it
didn't
work,
but
it
was
an
intriguing
way
to
try
and
look
at
it
because
it's
a
tough
thing
to
get
at,
but
they
have
been.
P
So
there
are
portions
that
aren't
in
the
wet
Meadow
that
you
know
they
find
beneficial
for
survival
for
whatever
reason
you
know,
they'll
move
away
from
that
to
do
something
and
then
go
back
to
it.
Okay,.
W
Yeah
most
likely
forage
and
it's
I-
don't
have
the
information
I
don't
have,
but
I
know
that
researchers
in
the
past
have
trapped
in
like
the
middle
of
hayfields,
for
example,
and
they
they
will
catch
mice
there.
Of
course,
there's
lateral
ditches
and
water
movement
through
a
Hayfield
and
a
lot
of
tall
grass.
But
it's
quite
a
ways
from
what
we
would
Define
as
a
riparian
corridor.
Q
So
I
I
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
lose
sight
of
the
concern
that
I
I'm
trying
to
express,
and
that
is
that
the
fish
and
wildlife
services
designated
critical
habitat
for
prebles,
along
South,
Boulder,
Creek,
I'm,
not
sure
about
west
of
Highway
93,
but
certainly
between
Highway
93
and
Highway,
us
36.
Q
and
so
I
think
it
would
be
very
desirable
for
us
to
continue
monitoring
preble's
population
in
that
stretch,
because
in
the
future
the
possibility
of
you
know,
drastic
change
in
that
area
is,
is
possible
and
I
think
that
if
it's
designated
critical
habitat
the
expectation
might
be
that
it
won't
serve
as
critical
habitat
in
the
future.
If,
in
fact,
certain
things
either
happen
or
aren't
done
and
that
so
anyway,
I'm
encouraging
us
to
continue
to
monitor
prebles,
especially
in
that
stretch
along
South,
Boulder
Creek,
because
I
think
in
the
future.
Q
B
And
will
enable
us
to
make
better
adaptive
management
decisions
for
the
area.
Yeah
I
I
have
three
quick
questions
that
we
I
don't
think
we've
touched
on.
Yet,
if
you
could
Ryan
go
back
to
the
Saint
brains,
SCT
map
I
have
a
question
about
that
and
while
you're
doing
that,
is
there
a
list
of
the
40
people
who
are
on
the
SCT.
U
There
is
we're
kind
of
in
the
process
right
now
of
putting
together
our
public
Outreach
materials,
which
will
likely
include
participant
lists.
U
If
people
wanted
to
contact
somebody,
you
know
that
that's
sort
of
representing
their
interests.
So
if
you
don't
mind
holding
off
for
that,
we'll
hopefully
have
a
web
page
up
and
running
in
the
in
the
next
couple
of
months
and
that'll
be
readily
accessible,
but
it
it's
generally
state
federal
and
local
agency
Personnel.
U
A
couple
of
the
the
Watershed
centers
are
represented
as
well.
As
you
know,
prebble's
experts
trying
to
think
you
know
even
Forest
Service
who
you
know
it
isn't
obviously
a
landowner
in
any
of
these
stretches
of
creeks.
But
it
is
interest,
isn't
interested
Federal
agency,
a
couple
of
members
of
ditch
boards
and
water
users
and
local
agricultural
producers.
U
So
it's
a
pretty
varied
group
great.
Thank
you.
It
is
open
to
anybody's
participation
who
who
would
like
to
be
part
of
the
group
so
largely
it
was.
It
was
begun
by
fish
and
wildlife
reaching
out
to
people
that
they
thought
might
be
interested
and
then
sort
of
Word
of
Mouth.
But
if
there
is
anybody
that
you
hear
of
or
any
of
you
that
are
are
particularly
interested,
it
is
certainly
open
to
anybody
to
attend
the
meetings.
Thanks.
B
Yeah,
what
I'm,
what
I'm
trying
to
visually
understand,
is
I've,
heard
11
linear
miles
I,
don't
know
how
far
11
linear
miles
of
Creek
is.
If
you
go
from
Bobolink
up
to
Spring
Brook.
So
let
me.
B
W
W
W
Well
not
entirely
so
we
can
so
it
doesn't
just
have
to
be
South
Boulder
Creek.
It
can
be
Associated
drainages
as
well
and
ditches.
W
W
B
That's
helpful,
thank
you,
but
I
didn't
notice
on
your
lists
previously,
where
you've
trapped
mice,
I,
didn't
notice
that
tohi
had
ever
had
mice
trapped
so.
W
W
That's
probably
due
to
the
dry
spring,
though
we
can't
say,
and
small
mammals
are
very
cyclical.
W
So
some
years
there
are
many
of
them
in
some
years
there
aren't-
and
this
is
a
down
year,
for
whatever
reason,
larger
factors
than
we
understand
and
because
of
that
are
likely
because
of
that
we
didn't
catch
any
in
in
Towhee
on
a
better
year,
they're,
probably
there
and
being
so
adjoined
to
South
Boulder
Creek.
It
might
be
a
place
where
the
mice
use
Towhee
drainage
during
the
summer
or
or
during
the
Spring,
and
then
as
summer
progresses.
They
move
back
to
South,
Boulder
Creek
or
something
to
that
effect.
B
So
yeah,
thanks
and
and
my
last
question
is
how,
if
at
all
does
the
New
Zealand
mud
strip,
mud,
snail
management
strategy,
impact,
prebles,
Meadow,
so.
W
With
the
closure
of
South
Mesa
Trailhead
part
of
that
closure
was
restoring
that
area
and
they
have
planted
I,
don't
even
know
hundreds
of
shrubs
in
that
area.
It
looks
very
nice
so
that
will
undoubtedly
have
a
positive
impact
on
the
prebles
in,
in
that
specific
area,
we're
increasing
the
habitat
for
them,
we're
restoring
previously
lost
habitat.
W
So
if
you
just
look
at
that
small
area
that
closure
will
help
the
mice
overall,
that's
not
the
strategy
for
New
Zealand
sales.
You
know
we're
trying
to
control
the
mud
snails,
but
in
that
small
example,
that's
going
to
have
a
positive
impact
in
other
sections
of
South
Boulder
Creek.
It
probably
won't
have
as
large
of
an
impact
because
we're
not
restoring
the
areas
as
well.
They
don't
necessarily
need
to
be
restored
either,
but.
B
Then
I
think
we're
ready
for
a
break.
Can
we
do
it
in
five
minutes,
everybody
back
in
five
minutes
and
then
we'll
go
to
Trails.
A
T
We're
going
to
get
into
the
main
topic
for
tonight
and
with
that
I'm,
just
going
to
turn
things
right
over
to
Jeff
Haley,
our
Deputy
of
trails
and
Facilities,
who
will
kind
of
kick
us
off
with
the
introduction.
X
Yeah
thanks
Dan,
it's
great
to
see
the
board
again.
In
fact,
it
was
back
in
August
when
we
all
had
our
great
field
trip.
We
got
to
see
each
other
in
person.
How
did
Dowdy
draw,
and
so
this
evening's
kind
of,
just
as
we
talked
about
at
that
field-
trip
just
a
continuation
of
our
discussion
with
the
board
related
to
our
Trails
program,
and
so
this
evening
Chad
Brotherton
will
be
presenting.
X
We
have
about
30
to
40
minute
presentation
that
he's
going
to
try
to
get
through
as
succinctly
as
possible
so
and
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
kind
of
pause
in
between
a
couple
of
topics,
so
that
that
you
all
can
ask
questions
and
and
provide
comments
as
well,
but
yeah.
The
chills
program
is
certainly
one
of
our
most
important
assets
that
we
have
within
our
visitor
infrastructure
and
certainly
serves
all
aspects
of
the
department,
everything
from
working
with
our
resource
and
stewardship
staff.
X
On
a
lot
of
the
vegetation
and
Wildlife,
as
we've
been
discussing
this
evening
to
our
you
know,
Community
connections
and
partnership,
where
we're
engaging
our
community
and
allowing
visitors
to
access
the
system
and
certainly
all
the
the
staff
within
our
Central
Services
as
well,
who
assist
with
data
collection
and
funding
opportunities
and
mapping,
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
wide
breadth
of
involvement
that
our
team
has
and
I'll
go
ahead
and
turn
over
to
Chad.
To
to
give
you
the
the
presentation.
V
V
V
So
just
a
quick
itinerary,
I'll,
let
you
know
what's
up
and
coming.
You
know
quick
introduction
and
I'm
going
to
touch
upon
the
2018
program
aspirations
that
we
shared
when
we
gave
the
last
big
update
and
then
I'm
gonna
go
over
the
trail
system
and
program
overview.
V
Then
I'm
going
to
talk
a
bit
about
asset
management
and
after
that
I'll
stop
for
questions
on
those
topics
and
then
I'll
I'll
jump
back
in
and
give
a
trail
maintenance
backlog
update
because
I
know
we
all
think
about
that
quite
a
bit
since
2018
and
then
some
Reflections
and
a
little
bit
more
time
for
questions.
V
So
quick
introduction,
my
name
is
Chad
Brotherton
and
I'm.
The
the
trails
manager
for
open
space
and
I've
been
doing
natural
resource
management
Trails
for
over
20
years
now
shocking
how
how
fun
and
fast
it's
gone
and
I
began.
As
a
Americorps
SCA
student
Conservation
Association
intern
in
Arches,
National
Park
was
trained
as
a
dry,
Stone
Mason
and
then
went
on
to
work
for
the
forest
service.
V
Park
Service
been
in
city
government
for
a
while
worked
non-profit
and
private
sector,
so
I've
been
around
a
bit
and
I've
been
with
the
city
for
over
seven
years
now,.
V
At
that
time,
we
were,
you
know,
predicting
and
planning
to
push
forward
on
Asset
Management
program
beehive,
which
we've
since
implemented,
so
that
gets
a
green
check,
Trail
prescriptions,
which
I'm
going
to
talk
about
a
bit
more
as
we
get
further
down
into
the
presentation
we're
moving
along
on
those.
V
They
were
a
little
slower
than
anticipated
in
part
because
we're
aligning
beehive
to
be
able
to
track
those
and
capture
those
well
also
continued
in
Innovation
was
on
that
list
and
we're
moving
along
on
that,
and
that
will
be
kind
of
a
theme
throughout
this
presentation.
Growth
in
volunteers
and
Partnerships
I
have
a
little
more
information
on
that
also,
but
we're
moving
along
on
that
topic
also
and
then
a
better
understanding
of
life
cycle
of
assets.
V
V
It's
always
important
to
kind
of
frame
all
of
this
into
the
master
plan
strategies-
and
it's
you
know
really
important
to
think
about.
You-
know
Trails,
as
you
know,
obviously
very
interconnected
with
responsible,
Recreation,
stewardship
and
enjoyment,
but
it's
also
inner
it's.
V
It's
also
touches
upon
the
trail
system
and
the
work
that
we
do
touches
Yvonne
a
lot
more
strategies
and
focus
areas
than
that,
and
you
know
over
13
strategies
touch
upon
you
know,
trails
and,
and
we
support
other
strategies
through
trails
and
the
management
of
trails,
and
then
some
of
the
strategies
are
also
really
interconnected
and
an
example
of
that
is.
You
know
we
look
at
a
trail
reroute.
You
know
it
could
be
called
through
one
of
our
plans.
You
know
West
TSA,
North,
Trail,
study
area
plan.
Something
like
that.
V
So
something
like
that.
We
could
be
rerouting
to
take
care
of
Maintenance
backlog
issues,
but
we
would
look
at
it
holistically.
We
might
be
taking
care
of
undesignated
trails
in
the
area
at
the
same
time,
another
strategy,
but
then
we
also
could
be
utilizing
Junior
Rangers.
Thank
you
Natasha
and
team,
as
we
saw
tonight
with
that
type
of
work
you
know
so
it
touches
upon.
You
know
connecting
youth
to
the
outdoors,
cultivating
leaders
in
stewardship
and
then.
V
Be
utilizing
you
know,
volunteers
to
do
some
of
that
work
too.
So
there's
that
connection
also
so
the
Trails
program,
and
you
know
the
maintenance
backlog
and
all
that
it
touches
upon
a
lot
of
of
the
master
Pavilion
strategy.
Energies.
V
So
the
osmp
trail
system
we've
been
really
fortunate
to
have
a
solid
foundation
early
on.
You
know
from
Frederick
Law
Olmsted
Junior
1910,
the
Boulder
Mountain
Parks
master
plan
in
1937
by
the
park
service.
So
the
community
is
really,
you
know,
been
supportive
of
a
trail
system
for
a
very
long
time.
We
also
see
that,
with
you
know,
recent
taxes,
you
know
the
recent
tax
and
we
also
heard
that
during
covid
you
know
how
critical
the
land,
the
osmp
lands
and
connecting
the
nature
was
for
coping
with
stress.
V
Currently
we
have
about
150
miles
of
Trail,
always
fluctuating
when
we're
doing
you
know
reroutes
and
things
like
that,
but
about
150
miles
of
trails,
and
it's
also
in
the
context
of
a
larger
system
across
Colorado
that,
were
you
know,
interconnected
with
and
associated
with.
It's
also
helpful
to
know
and
consider
some
of
the
challenges
for
our
system,
so
that,
when
you
know
you
have
that
in
the
contact
in
context
when
thinking
about
management,
you
know,
High
visitation
is
a
reality.
V
You
know,
and
even
you
know,
we're
hearing
that
it
might
be
like
plateauing
numbers
might
be
plateauing,
but
even
if
they
decrease
they,
you
know
we
still
see
high
visitation
across
our
system.
In
certain
places.
We
also
have
clay,
soils
and
mud
issues
associated
with
that
we've
been
getting
more
extreme
weather
events.
Unfortunately,
the
flood
in
2013,
the
you
know,
the
Marshall
fire
was
another
one
extreme
event
that
impacted
the
trail
system.
V
But
it
definitely
impacted
it.
Finite
resources
are
also
a
reality
we're
you
know
very
fortunate
of
the
the
trail
program
and
the
funding
that
we
have
especially.
V
To
some
of
our
our
counterparts
in
like
the
Forest
services
and
stuff-
but
you
know,
there's
always
a
reality
of
finite
resources
and
having
to
prioritize
with
what
you
have
so
that's
a
reality
that
always
will
be
undesignated.
Trails
is
another
reality
of
our
system.
You
know
we
have
about
164
miles
of
undes,
any
Trails
on
our
system,
creating
some
additional
challenges
and
we're
going
to
be
coming
to
the
board
to
all
of
you
with
more
information
on
that
as
a
separate
topic
in
October
and
then
Legacy
Trails.
V
You
know,
we've
had
support
for
trail
system
for
a
long
time.
Legacy
Trails
are.
They
can
also
be
a
a
challenge
to
manage,
because
you
know
Legacy
Trail
is
basically
a
use
pattern
that
was
adopted
into
the
system
and
it
was
never.
You
know.
Often
it
was
never
officially
designed
for
sustainability.
V
Often
you
know
it
was
just
a
use
pattern
and
it
had
really
steep.
It
has
steep
alignments.
A
good
example
of
a
problematic
Legacy
Trail
would
be
Mount
sinitas,
that's
icon,
it's
an
iconic
experience,
but
it's
also
very
expensive
and
very
challenging
to
manage.
V
So
getting
into
Legacy
Trails,
just
a
little
bit
more,
you
can
think
about.
You
know
on
the
left.
We've
got
a
picture
of
Believe,
It
or
Not.
That
is
the
Mount.
Sunita's
Trail
unfortunately,
definitely
needs
work,
and
in
that
section,
and
you
know
think
about
the
Legacy
and
sustainable
Trails,
it's
kind
of
a
Continuum
or
a
spectrum,
and
you
know
on
the
left,
you
have
you
know
mount
cinitas,
a
really
problematic,
Legacy
trail
that
will
be
expensive
to
re,
reconstruct
and
repair
and
on
the
right.
V
You
have
a
diagram
that
shows-
and
we
were
talking
about
this
in
our
our
site-
visit
to
Dowdy
and
Caroline
and
I
were
we
were
talking
about
this
with
Bo
of
you
know
when
drainage
is,
is
incorporated
into
the
trail
design.
It's
a
lot
more
stable,
sustainable,
also
takes
a
lot
less
maintenance,
a
lot
less
structures.
V
So
you
know
these
These
are
this
graph
in
the
middle
is
kind
of
hypothetical
numbers,
but
you
look
at
some
of
the
most
problematic
Trails
Legacy,
Trails
and
they're
very
expensive,
exponentially
more
expensive
to
repair
and
to
maintain
versus
a
sustainable
Trail.
So
so
hypothetical
numbers,
but
it
kind
of
shows
that.
C
That
that.
V
Idea-
and
one
other
thing
to
to
bring
up
for
that-
you
know
around
this
topic-
is
you
know:
Bear
Canyon,
the
project
Bear
Canyon
Anatomy,
even
eventually
the
north
sky
Trail.
When
we're
building
new
trails,
often
times
you
know,
Bear
Canyon,
to
help
the
prebles
habitat
anemone
and
nor
Sky
help
help
with
someone
designated
Trails.
V
You
know
when
we're
designing
sustainable
Trails,
they
don't
create
the
same
maintenance
requirements
or
need
as
some
of
these
problematic
Legacy
Trails.
So,
yes,
it's
adding
mileage
to
the
system,
but
often,
but
it's
also
important
to
think
about
it
as
as
kind
of
a
different.
It's
it's
not
that
exponential
prop
cost
associated
with
it.
As
as
some
of
these
Legacy
Trails.
V
Visitation
numbers
are
talking
about
high
visitation,
just
always
good
to
remember.
You
know
about
5.5
million
visits
a
year.
You
know
whether
that's
stable
or
even
decreasing.
It's
still
a
lot,
especially
in
some
of
these
high
use
areas
such
as
Chautauqua.
You
know,
you're
looking
at
350
000
visits
mountas
as
I
was
talking
about.
V
That's
definitely
High
visitation,
it's
not
equal
across
the
board.
You
look
at
something
like
Sawhill
ponds
and
you
know
20
000
visits
a
year,
so
it's
not
an
equal
balance
across
the
system,
but
overall
there's
some
very
high
use
areas
on
our
system,
comparing
that
to
National
Parks
2021
numbers,
Rocky
Mountain
received
4.4
million
visits
and
Yellowstone
4.9
million
visits,
so.
V
An
interesting
one,
also
in
2016-17,
the
OS
P
visitor
survey
in
relation
to
Trails
93
of
respondents,
said
that
the
quality
of
the
trails
was
either
very
good
or
good,
and
also
they
they
rated
98
rated,
the
the
trails
very
or
moderately
important
for
the
system
and
what
we
do
so
high
interest,
and
it's
also
really
important
to
kind
of
put
a
reality
check
on
this
a
little
bit
because
perception
of
visit
visitors
in
relation
to
the
quality
of
the
trails
versus
the
perception
of
our
staff.
V
Looking
at
the
trails
through
an
asset
management,
life
cycle
and
maintenance
cost
perspective,
there
can
be
a
huge
gap
in
those
two
data
points,
so
very
excited
that
that
people
think
that
our
trails
are
in
good
shape,
but
we
also
have
concerns
and
a
reality
around
the
life
cycle
perspective
of
it
foreign
program.
V
So
we
have
about.
We
have
a
20
full-time
employees
and
that's
across
several
service
areas.
We
also
have
20
temporary
staff.
Our
annual
budget
is
about
3.5
million
dollars,
and
that
includes
operating
and
capital
funds
and
there's
a
broad.
Our
staff
has
broad
responsibilities
and
expertise.
It's
not
just
moving
dirt
around,
so
you
know
we're
we're
talking.
You
know,
expertise
and
responsibilities
and
asset.
V
Management
project
management
trail
design.
We
have
some
probably
some
of
the
best
actually,
no
definitely
some
of
the
best
trail
designers
I've
ever
worked
with
in
my
career,
so
hats
off
to
them.
V
We're
also,
you
know
heavily
involved
in
interdisciplinary
teams
and
and
leading
those
and
participating
in
those
we're
hiring,
Crews,
supervising
and
doing
Performance
Management
partnership,
development,
volunteerism
construction
and
ecological
best
practices
Contracting.
The
list
goes
on
and
on
all
the
way
to
you
know:
Mason,
complex
masonry
and
carpentry,
so
broad
expertise
on
the
team
and
just
in
the
trail,
full-time
employees.
We
have
over
200
years
of
trails
and
resource
management
experience,
and
the
program
also
has
a
couple.
We
also
have
some
sub
programs
or
initiatives
the
we
have
the
trail
volunteer
program.
V
We
have
the
UN
designated
Trail
program,
which
we'll
talk
more
about
next
month,
muddy
Trail
program
and
accessible
Trail
initiative
to
focus
on
accessible
trails
and
the
maintenance
of
them.
So
a
lot
going
on
with
the
trail
program.
V
One
last
thing
to
point
out
about
this
slide:
the
photo
is
actually
the
Royal
Arch
reroute
that
we
did
last
year
and
the
the
crew.
So
that's
our
crew
for
last
year
and
they're
holding
the
golden
MacLeod,
which
is
actually
it's
an
award
from
the
Colorado
Trail
Symposium,
which
is
an
annual
Trail
conference
actually
coming
up
pretty
soon
and
for
those
who
don't
know
what
a
McLeod
is.
It's
a
trail,
construction
tool
that
we
use.
V
If
you
don't
know
what
it
is,
I
highly
recommend
recommend
coming
out
and
volunteering
and
helping
out,
and
we
could
definitely
teach
you
how
to
use
one,
but
basically
the
way
the
the
award
works
is
each
year
participating
agencies
submit
like
a
showcase
project
and
then
participate
participants
at
the
Symposium
vote
on
which
project
was
the
most
impressive
for
that
year.
So
we
won
it
in
21,
which
was
a
huge
honor.
V
Interdisciplinary
team
Partnerships
is
a
really
critical
part
of
what
we
do.
We
don't
go
out
and
just
build
the
trails
wherever
we're
partnering
with
and
collaborating
with.
You
know:
Trail
staff
ecological
staff,
which
includes
you,
know
agriculture,
our
Water
Resource
folks,
our
vegetation
stewardship,
Wildlife
Wetlands.
You
know
across
the
board
also
the
cultural
staff.
You
know,
so
you
know
it's
a
interconnect.
V
We
collaborate
with
a
lot
of
folks
within
our
within
the
department,
and
this
collaboration
goes
through
all
phases
of
of
projects,
so
planning
design
implementation
project,
closeout
we're
having
all
of
that
collaboration
and
communication.
We
also
have
ecological
best
management
practices.
V
That
guide
us
in.
You
know
anywhere
from
trail
design,
and
you
know
making
sure
that
we're
doing
the
interdisciplinary
team
process
and
avoiding
crit,
you
know
sensitive
habitat
and
things
like
that.
As
best
as
we
can
to
you
know
some
of
the
more
you
know
detailed
like
where
were
where
and
how
we're
placing
soil-
and
you
know,
weed
Management
on
a
project.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
guidance
around
that
in
the
trail
trail
management
is
really.
You
know
it's.
It's
really
important
to
think
about
it.
V
As
nested
within
the
department,
because
it
it
takes
so
much
collaboration
and
support,
you
know
from
you
know
a
lot
of
the
work
groups
and
staff
across
the
board.
So
thank
you
for
all
those
that
support
us
in
what
we
do
really
appreciate
it,
and
we
also
Regional
connections
and
Partnerships
are
really
important.
V
Also,
as
I
was
mentioning,
our
our
trail
system
is
interconnected
to
the
region
and
the
the
our
our
neighbors
Trail
systems,
so
you
know
we're
collaborating
regionally
and,
and
you
know,
setting
up
Partnerships
and
networks,
and
the
trail
Symposium
is
also
another
example
of
that
that
you
know
those
interconnections
and
Partnerships,
so
we're
learning
from
each
other.
V
V
A
couple
Trail
program
principles,
you
know-
and
this
gets
into
the
Innovation
piece
of
it,
but
continued
Improvement
really
is
a
foundational
and
cultural
piece
of
our
program
and
then
strategic
asset
management
is
also
incredibly
important
and
I'm
going
to
talk
about
that
quite
a
bit
more.
V
But
overall
we
just
keep
testing
approaches
and
learning
and
getting
more
efficient
as
we
go,
and
one
of
the
examples
that
came
up
in
our
site
visited
Dowdy.
We
were
talking
about
our
our
hybrid
Crews,
which,
if
anybody
has
a
better
name
than
that
now
that
we
have
hybrid
meetings,
definitely
open
to
that.
V
But
the
idea
of
a
hybrid
crew
of
you
know
basically
a
leadership
crew
where
we
have
a
created.
An
assistant
Crew
lead,
that's
out
there
with
a
piece
of
equipment,
often
a
mini
excavator
and
they're.
You
know
leading
volunteers
and
Youth
Corps
Junior
Rangers,
so
not
a
lot
of
Staff
time,
but
a
lot
of
work
getting
done
and
a
lot
of
support
through
that
leadership
and
we've
we
found
it
to
be
highly
effective.
V
We've
tested
it
for
a
couple
years
and
and
pushed
forward
on
it
and
now
we're
multiplying
that
effort
to
have
a
couple
of
those
types
of
Crews.
We've
also
Incorporated
our
Volunteers
in
more
holistically
through
the
program.
So
volunteers
are
on
a
lot
more
projects
throughout
our
throughout
the
year,
which
is
helping.
You
know,
numbers
and
also
just
getting
a
lot
of
really
great
work
done.
V
A
little
more
on
volunteers,
you
know
in
2018
we
our
goal
was
to
to
push
forward
on
increasing
the
volunteer
program.
We've
been
so
you
know
slowly
incorporating
it
across
the
the
program,
and
you
know
it's
been
really
hard
through
covid
and
you
can
see
through
the
numbers
here.
You
know
we
were.
We
were
doing
pretty
well
in
2019.
V
It's
amazing
that
we
were
able
to
get
any
volunteers
in
2020
with
the
reality
of
covid.
So
thank
you
to
Beau
and
all
the
safety
protocols
he
put
together
for
that
Bo,
Clark
and
but
really
laying
down
a
foundation
and
testing
things
throughout
the
last
couple
years.
V
You
know
we
in
21
we
came
almost
almost
exactly
to
the
the
numbers
in
2019
and
in
2020
we're
actually
already
at
or
just
a
little
bit
above
the
the
numbers
for
2019,
and
this
week
in
particular,
we
we've
actually
had
successfully
been
pushing
forward
and
still
have
some
Pro
volunteer
projects
lined
up,
but
we
had
200
volunteers
lined
up
for
just
this
week
alone,
which
is
really
exciting.
V
One
other
thing
to
to
point
out
on
this
is:
you
know:
volunteer
hours
are
a
one
type
of
measurement
that
we
use,
but
it's
not
our
primary
measurement
to
to
measure
success
and
one
of
the
ways
we
do
measure
success
is
you
know
ensuring
that
every
volunteer
or
every
volunteer
group
has
a
meaningful
project.
That
is
in
alignment
with
our
asset
management,
and
you
know
our
program
other
program
goals.
So
that's
a
really
important
part
for
us
too.
V
V
Okay,
so
holistic
asset
management
is
fairly
complex,
so
bear
with
me
a
little
bit
but
and
I'm
gonna
be
going
through
parts
of
this
in
a
little
bit
more
detail,
but
some
of
the
parts
that
are
really
important-
you
know
understanding,
inventory
and
keeping
a
pulse
on
the
system
is
really
important,
so
short-term
inspections
and
long-term
condition
data
and
the
inventory
is
really
important.
We
use
keytap
and
Gis
for
for
that,
heatap
stands
for
high
efficiency,
Trail
assessment.
V
Well,
where
did
I
write
it
down
assessment
process,
high
efficiency,
Trail
assessment
process,
I
got
it,
you
know,
and
then
work
tracking
is
really
important.
What
kind
of
work
are
we
doing?
What
is
it
costing?
We
track
that
through
beehive
work?
Prioritization
is
really,
you
know
important.
You
know
that
gets
into
the
finite
resources.
What
are
we
taking
care
of
and
why
and
then
strategic
work
planning
and
financial
planning?
V
We
do
through
a
budget
process,
and
you
know,
through
our,
we
use
Compass
our
our
work
planning
software
for
that
and
then
continuous
Improvement
is
kind
of
our
foundation
as
I
was
talking
earlier.
V
So
jumping
into
beehive,
so
you
know,
launch
beehive
and
it
we
really
utilize
beehive
for
our
work
tracking.
V
We
you
know
we
have
it
set
up
now
it
took
a
little
while
to
get
it
going,
but
we
have
it
set
up
now,
so
we
can
track
prescriptions
or
what
we're
going
to
do
in
certain
areas
on
certain
Trails
and
then
we
also
use
that
for
the
actual
work
that
it
takes
so
the
time
the
materials
the
cost
who
you
know,
which
Crews
did
the
work.
V
All
of
that
information
is
captured
in
beehive
and
it's
it's
really
interesting
because,
like
it's
a
compliment,
it
complements
the
conditioned
data
that
we
track
and
we'll
talk
more
a
little
bit
more
about
both
of
that
I've.
Some
example
slides
of
like
how
they
kind
of
interact
a
little
bit
but
one
example:
the
Marshall
fire.
V
You
know
very
quickly
after
the
Marshall
fire,
we
had
damaged
infrastructure
and
there
were
questions
of
what
was
damaged.
You
know
what
were
the
costs
associated
with
it,
and
because
we
had
the
inventory
through
the
the
condition
data
you
know
we
were
able
to
pull
up
that
data
very
quickly
and
but
the
catch
is
with
the
data.
V
The
condition
data
is
there's
a
little
bit
of
Gap
of
like
from
when
we
did
the
last
survey
and
the
work
that
we
might
have
done,
which
we
had
done
some
work
in
that
area
since
that
time.
So
when
we
were
able
to
pull
the
data
from,
you
know
the
condition,
data
and
inventory,
and
then
the
Beehive
data
and
put
that
together.
V
All
the
structures
that
were
burned-
and
you
know,
had
really
detailed
information,
especially
on
the
stuff
that
we,
the
infrastructure
that
we
had
built
more
recently,
which
was
really
exciting
and
helpful
for
cost.
Estimating
and
just
one
of
the
goals
also
with
beehive,
is
to
set
up
dashboards
in
the
future
for
for
much
easier
and
faster
reporting
on
the
work
that
we
do
so
I
cannot
wait
for
that.
I'm
very
excited.
V
Excuse
me
so
Trail
prescriptions
are
basically
the
plan
and
the
estimates
for
either
the
repairs,
the
improvements
or
the
replacement
of
an
ass,
a
trail
asset
and
in
those
prescriptions
it
would
be.
There
would
be
time
and
cost
estimates
involved
that
we
capture
in
beehive
and
we
have
a
goal
to
have
system-wide
prescriptions-
and
you
know
in
the
next
few
years-
is
really
our
goal.
V
Hopefully
we
move
a
little
faster
on
that,
but
that's
that's
kind
of
what
we're
setting
right
now
is
our
our
time
frame
and
one
of
the
things
to
think
about
with
Trail
prescriptions.
Is
you
know
if
you
want
to
compare
the
trail,
condition,
data
and
Trail
prescriptions?
You
know
because
it's
a
it's
really
Tropic
prescriptions
are
really
an
alternative
approach
to
like
understanding
the
the
maintenance
backlog
estimate
and
it's
it's
a
little
bit
more
holistic
also
because
it
also
captures
improvements
and
Replacements.
V
V
Trail
condition
is
like
if
you
get
an
estimate
on
your
house,
and
you
know
a
a
condition
assessment
and
someone
comes
and
tells
you
you
need
new
windows
for
your
house
and
you
can
get
a
really
rough
estimate
of
you
know.
What
is
it
going
to
cost
for
new
windows
on
your
house?
You
can
say:
okay,
my
house
is
x
amount
of
square
feet.
Typically,
on
this
size
house,
it's
going
to
cost
about
x,
amount
of
dollars
for
for
new
windows.
V
On
my
house,
a
trail
prescription
is
more
like
getting
a
professional
estimate
where
you
know
the
professional
comes
in
measures
each
window
and
calculates
you
know
the
the
ACT.
You
know
the
actual
labor
the
material
costs
and
gives
you
like.
This
is
what
it's
going
to
cost
to
do,
that
replacement
of
that
you
know
so
I.
It
I
think
that
analogy
kind
of
helps.
V
V
And
I
believe
back
in
when
we
were
talking
budgets
and
Trails
I.
Think
Caroline
was
asking
some
questions
about
you
know
in
during
those
budget
meetings.
You
know
how
are
we
using
and
if
we're
using
beehive
and
yes,
we
are
using
beehive
and
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
share
a
little
bit
of
the
the
data
that
we
can
pull
from
it.
V
We
don't
have
the
dashboards
still
built
out
yet
so
it's
it's
still
kind
of
rough
in
some
ways,
but
here's
some
some
data
that
we
pulled
directly
out
of
beehive
and
before
I
dive
into
the
the
actual
the
data.
Though
it's
it's
good
to
understand.
You
know
we
do
a
spring
and
fall
routine.
V
Maintenance
runs
throughout
our
whole
system,
so
we're
putting
eyes
on
the
ground,
and
you
know,
cleaning
drainage
and
doing
a
little
bit
of
work
and
inspecting
our
entire
system
a
little
heavier
in
the
spring
than
the
fall.
But
you
know
we're
getting
eyes
on
the
entire
system,
and
so
there's
that
piece
of
it-
and
it's
also
important
to
kind
of
point
out
on
the
left.
There's
a
map
of
the
trail
maintenance
zones
so
not
to
be
confused
with
the
trail
study
areas.
V
The
Trail
maintenance
zones
are
really
it's
it's
more
of
an
internal
tool,
for
you
know:
maintenance,
management
of
Maintenance
and
operations,
but
one
of
the
things
that's
kind
of
important
to
point
out-
and
this
will
come
up
again
later
in
the
the
slides
and
kind
of
how
we're
presenting
the
data
a
little
bit
is
these
maintenance
zones
are
actually
when
we're
talking
condition,
monitoring
doing
one-fifth
of
the
system
a
year.
This
is
the
the
the
five-fifths
or.
V
Of
these
zones
each
year
when
we're
collecting
data
and
then
getting
to
the
the
the
actual
data
you
know
pulling
from
beehive,
you
know
type
of
work
that
we
did.
We
did
about
2
000
hours
of
routine
maintenance.
This
spring
and
51
was
focused
on
drainage.
V
You
know
and
41
on
tread,
and
then
there
was
some
other.
You
know
brushing
and
things
like
that.
V
You
know-
and
this
is
you
know,
when
I'm
seeing
this
I'm
actually
pretty
excited
about
the
the
numbers
here,
because
drainage
is
you
know,
water
running
on
the
trails
is
probably
one
of
my
biggest
fears
when
it
comes
to
erosion,
so
making
sure
those
the
drainage
is
is
working
is,
is
really
important
and
then
another
piece
to
consider
is
you
know
where
those
hours
were
spread
across
the
system.
V
V
We
have
a
lot
of
work
happening
in
zone
three,
that's
kind
of
the
Chautauqua,
you
know
Flatirons
backdrop,
and
you
know
we
have
crews
out
there
all
summer,
so
we're
paying
attention
to
that
a
little
bit
more
and
out
there
and
available
to
to
do
some
more
work
there.
So
we
focused
a
little
bit
more
this
round
in
zone.
V
V
Condition
monitoring,
so
this
is
a
a
picture
of
Jake
with
his.
V
You
know
his
condition:
monitoring,
wheel,
hooked
up
to
a
computer
and
the
sensors,
so
Jake
is
Trail
research
program
manager
and
what
he's
doing
with
that
equipment
is
a
comprehensive
assessment
and
he's
doing
20
one-fifth
of
the
system
a
year,
so
the
one
of
those
maintenance
zones
each
year
and
what
we're
able
to
do
with
that
is
really
look
at
long-term
trends
across
you
know
it's
it's
giving
us
our
inventory,
but
it's
also,
you
know
we're
able
to
look
at
the
data
in
long-term
trends,
and
you
know
over
time
we're
going
to
be
able
to
we.
V
We
can
better
understand
rate
of
change
and
you
know
it.
It
also
allows
us
to
potentially
adjust
our
work
plan.
You
know
if
there
is
a
high
rate
of
change
and
we
also
can
look
at
our
projects
that
we've
done
and
see
over
time
their
effectiveness
because
of
you
know,
looking
at
rate
of
change
like
in
an
area
that
we've
done
work
did
the
the
prescription
and
the
the
implementation
work
you
know.
Are
there
some
subtleties
that
we
we
can
learn
from
through
the
data?
This
work?
V
This
didn't
work
and
you
know
so
we
keep
reviewing
the
data
in
relation
to
The
Beehive
information
that
we
have,
that
we're
capturing
in
the
projects
and
able
to
to
to
learn
from
that
Jake.
C
V
Said
that
he's
really
excited
about
this,
this
data,
because
over
time
there's
a
chance,
he
he's
he's
pretty
convinced
we're
going
to
be
able
to
do
predict
predictive
modeling
with
this
data
over
time
to
help
prioritize,
and
you
know,
look
at
Asset
Management
on
a
whole
new
level.
V
One
of
the
the
foundations
of
the
trail
condition
data
is,
you
know
the
trails,
the
trail
standards
that
it's
based
off
of.
We
call
them
Trail
management
objectives
and
basically
it's
there's
a
designated
use
which
would
be
like
hiking
biking,
equestrian,
authorized,
motor
vehicle
or
accessible
and
then
there's
a
class
associated
with
it
and
between
the
those
designated
uses
in
the
class
that
gives
us.
You
know
16,
basically,
basically
16
different
types
of
trails
that
we
manage
for
and
each
one
looks
a
little
different.
V
V
Wide
range
of
trails
that
we
manage
and
this
this
system
of
Trail
management
objectives
allows
us
to
understand
better
understand
the
costs
associated
with
the
the
different
types
of
trails
that
we
manage.
V
M
V
And
you
know
all
all
of
that
information
that's
captured
within
the
trail
condition.
Data
is
weighed
against
the
the
standard.
You
know
that
sets
the
parameters
for
the
width
and
all
those
those
those
targets
and
that's
how
we
know
the
trail
is
either
in
compliant
or
out
of
compliant.
V
V
This
slide
so
I'll
walk
you
through
it
a
little
bit,
but
one
of
the
things
you
know
just
starting
off.
On
the
let's
say:
let's
start
on
the
the
upper
left.
You
know
that
is
an
example
of
of
what
we
can
turn
the
you
know.
Through
an
algorithm.
V
We
can
turn
the
the
data
into
some
visuals,
where
it's
color
coded
into
red,
yellow,
green
red,
being
critical
repairs,
needed,
yellow
prescriptive
repairs
or
a
state
of
routine
maintenance
or
green,
so
converting
that
data
into
a
visual
has
been
really
helpful
for
us
to
to
kind
of
Target
certain
locations,
so
the
high
plains.
Trail
is
a
really
good
example
of
that
2015
2017.
We
look
at
the
detailed
condition
on
the
left.
V
You
know,
there's
there's
some
some
key
red
spots
on
that
trail
at
that
time,
and
so
there's
the
detailed
info
information
from
that,
but.
X
V
That
we
use,
we
put
the
the
data
through
an
algorithm
that
we
created
and
then
summarize
it
so
the
summary
for
that
trail
was
it
was
in
a
state
of
yellow
or
prescriptive
repairs.
The
prescriptive
maintenance
needed,
and
so
what
we
did
was
some
targeted
repairs
over
time
and
some
targeted
reroutes
in
some
of
those.
Those
areas
that
were
in
the
red
were
in
critical
repair
need,
and
you
can
see
some
of
those
I
put
some
arrows
in
there
on
the
left
of
some
of
those
locations.
V
V
Those
areas
over
a
couple
years,
mostly
with
volunteers.
We
then
captured
all
that
work
in
beehive.
So
we
have
all
that
information
of
what
it
took.
How
much
effort
you
know
how
what
the
cost
was
for
materials
and
things
like
that,
and
then
the
condition
data
was
taken
again
in
2021
and
you
can
see
if
you
look
it's
really
like
small,
but
there's
those
red
areas
definitely
decreased.
V
You
know
where
those
arrows
were-
and
you
know
throughout
the
trail
and
the
summary
or
overall
condition
turned
into
the
state
of
green.
So
this
is
kind
of
how
we
relate
some
of
the
condition:
data
The
Beehive
data
and
how
we
we,
you
know,
Target
specific
areas
with
some
of
the
data.
V
Project
priority
factors
are
incredibly
complex
because
we
need
to
consider
an
individual
asset
or
an
individual
Trail
and
the
needs
of
that
within
the
greater
context
of
the
trail
system
and
also
the
the
organizational
content.
You
know
our
organizational
context
and
an
example.
V
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
factors
here:
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
them
all,
but
an
example
is
the
upcoming
Saddle
Rock
Project
we're
going
to
be,
you
know
called
for
in
the
west
TSA
it's
a
massive
undertaking,
that's
incredibly
exciting
once
we
can't
wait
for
it
to
be
done,
because
it's
it's
really
going
to
make
a
dent
in
the
maintenance
backlog.
But
the
saddle
right
project
is
a
good
example
because
it
it
hits
a
bunch
of
these
priorities
and
these
targets.
V
So
there's
a
huge
concentration
of
undesigned
trails
in
that
area.
It's
a
huge
maintenance
backlog
challenge.
It's
in
our
plans,
there's
a
rated
like
a
significant
rate
of
change,
and
it's
also
there's
ecological
and
habitat
concerns
over
there
in
that
area.
So
one
of
the
challenges
we've
been
having
for
years
with
this
project
is
not
that
we
didn't
want
to
do
it,
but
we
were
worried
about
capacity.
V
V
But
you
know
it's
hitting
so
many
Targets
on
why
we
would
prioritize
it
and
it's
it's
really
exciting
to
get
it
in
the
work
plan.
Finally
and
start
moving.
It
Forward,
some
of
the
other
things
that
are
important
with
priorities
to
consider
you.
V
You
know
are
always
something
on
our
mind,
also
or
working
with
Heather
and
team,
and
you
know
like
Bear
Canyon
was.
It
was
an
example
that
the
the
most
recent
reroute
you
know
was
really
driven
in
a
lot
of
ways
by
prebble's
habitat
restoration
and
the
interest
from
that.
V
You
know,
and
that
was
one
of
the
main
drivers
or
reasons
it
was
prioritized
in
Gun.
Barrel
Hill
is
your
familiar
with.
You
know.
Habitat
conservation,
you
know,
and
reducing
some
of
the
undesigned
trails
in
that
area
is,
is
really
a
driving
factor
for
that
that
project.
Also
one
last
thing
on
this
on
the
on
the
priorities
is
the
you
know,
value-added
projects
like
we
were
talking
about
with
Dowdy
when
we
were
doing
our
site
visit
Dowdy
draw.
V
You
know,
minimal
staff.
You
know
with
that
hybrid
model,
that
we've
been
crew
model
that
we've
been
using
and
then
we're
bringing
volunteers
to
do
the
majority
of
the
labor
of
the
work.
Thank
you
to
all
the
volunteers.
V
You
know
so
sometimes
when
there's
interest
from
partner
groups,
we
can
do
these
value-added
projects
to
make
a
dent.
In
you
know,
the
maintenance
backlog
on
on
you
know,
projects
that
we
may
not
have
been
able
to
prioritize
just
from
a
capacity
perspective.
So
sometimes
that
will
help
drive
a
project
forward.
Also
foreign.
V
Planning
and
financial
planning
work
and
financial
planning
are
pretty
critical.
Also
for
ensuring
that
you
know
we
can
move
things.
You
know
prioritize
and
move
projects
forward,
and
you
know
and
ensure
that
we're
thinking
about
life
cycle
and
there's
a
lot
of
research
and
suggestion
of
you
know
it's
really
typical
for
physical
infrastructure
assets
to
need
long-range
planning
when
it
comes
to
work
and
financial
planning
and
part
of
that
is
because
of
you
know
their
their
long
life
cycles
potentially
and
their
costs.
V
You
know
they're
high
cost
also,
so
it's
really
work
plan
work
in
financial
planning
is
really
critical
and
we
we
take
that
really
seriously
in
the
Trails
program
and
we
we
really
look
at
work
planning
from
a
one
to
two
year,
highly
detailed.
You
know
three
to
five
into
six
years
and
like
we're
even
talking
10
plus
years,
it's
it's
very
like
Dynamic
and
penciled
in,
but
we
are
thinking
about
the
trail
system
on
that
that
time
frame
of
when
what
projects
can
we
fit
in
and
when
and
how
does
that
fit
into?
V
You
know
the
trail,
maintenance
backlog
and
the
management
of
our
assets.
V
We're
also
looking
at
is
really
critical
to
to
balance
the
the
resources
and
funding
from
you
know,
from
Trail
staff
and
also
as
I
was
saying
across.
You
know,
osmp
staff,
and
it's
it's
really
important
from
a
resourcing
perspective
to
you
know,
make
sure
that
we
can
balance
and
leverage
the
capacity
of
all
of
them,
and
then
you
know
we're
always
thinking
about
our
operations
and
CIP
funding,
and
all
of
this
is
captured
in
in
our
Compass
software.
V
To
keep
it
brief,
because
I
know
we're
kind
of
running
behind
I
do
want
to
point
out.
This
is
Beau
Clark
running
a
powered
wheelbarrow
or
crawler.
So
Karen
was
asking
for
a
crawler
picture,
so
there
you
go
Karen
motorized
wheelbarrow.
P
P
Let's
see
where
I
at
the
end,
when
you
said
something,
it
just
made
me
think
of
a
question,
but
I
wanted
to
go
back
to
my
notes
from
the
beginning,
real
quick.
Oh
you
said
that
you,
you
were
open
to
suggestions
for
name
for
your
hybrid
crew,
so
I'm
gonna
throw
out
a
suggestion
for
either
like
Special,
Forces
s,
theft,
green
breaks,
it's
like
the
12
of
you,
you
get
in
you
get
out.
You
leave
the
elementary
behind
for
a
minute
fix
it
and
you
just
move
right
back
in
no
one.
P
Even
knows
you
were
there.
So
that's
that's
my
name
in
the
in
the
bucket.
P
Let's
see
here,
I
I'm
actually
trying
to
avoid
all
my
beehive
questions,
because
I
know
that
I'll
like
take
over
with
them.
So
oh
here
was
one
that
I
I
wasn't
quite
sure
of
when
you
were
discussing
the
trail
prescriptions,
and
you
were
talking
about
the
windows
analogy
along
with
that.
When
you
were
saying
that
to
me,
it
made
me
wonder
so:
when
you
guys
get
a
trail
prescription
is,
is
it
from
that
point?
Whoever
has
handed
you
that
sheet
of
paper
they
would
be
able
to
then
execute.
P
So
if
you
agreed
to
the
price
at
that
point,
whoever
gave
you
those
totals
and
estimates
would
be
able
to
shake
your
hand
and
say
yes,
let's
start
work
tomorrow
or
are
the
trail
prescriptions
internal
for
us
and
that
we
would
figure
out
the
budget
to
to
that
specificity,
but
then
would
still
need
to
to
find
the
people
to
implement.
V
That
that's
a
great
question
very
observant,
so
the
trail
prescriptions
are
actually
put
together
by
our
staff.
V
So
the
trail
program
managers
are
are
putting
those
prescriptions
together
and
you
know
the
prescriptions
are
based
on
our
plan
planning
documents
for
those
areas
and
then
the
needs
on
the
ground
they're,
using
the
data
that
Jake
puts
together
for
condition
data,
but
basically
what
they're
doing
is
they're
they're
putting
that
prescription
together
and
they're
all
there
there's
five
Trail
program,
managers
and
they're
all
heavily
involved
in
the
the
the
work
planning
and
budgeting
and,
and
you
know,
funding
requests
and
things
like
that.
V
V
So
it's
it's
really
in
a
lot
of
ways:
seamless
they're
they're,
putting
those
prescriptions
together,
putting
them
in
beehive
and
then
implementing
the
projects
we
may
contract
out.
We
might
you
know
the
work
or
whatever,
but
you
know,
they're
they're
involved
in
every
step.
Along
the
way
so
that
they
know
what's
going
on
with
that.
P
And
then
I
had
a
question
that
might
just
be
related
to
me
not
living
in
Boulder,
for
as
long
as
I
know,
a
good
majority
of
you
guys
have,
and
you
may
need
to
pull
it
up.
You
may
not,
but
when
you
look
at
the
map
that
you
showed
us
for
the
trail
areas,
the
one
through
five
when
I
was
looking
at
the
map
in
my
head,
I
was
thinking
again.
P
I
see
another
map
where,
in
this
certain
Zone
in
Boulder,
it
always
has
these
lines
that
are
more
curved,
where
everything
else
is
straight
and
that's
where
your
Zone
one
five
and
three
touched,
but
I
I
find
that
a
lot
of
maps
that
I
look
at
seem
to
have
that
and
I
don't
know
if
that
has
to
do
with
the
the
creek
the
watershed
area,
because
in
my
head,
when
I
look
at
it,
it
seems
like
all
of
the
lines
would
kind
of
conform
to
36
and
they
don't.
P
V
Slightly
arbitrary
we're
really
looking
at
like
Trail
mileage,
so
we
were
looking
each
zone
is
about
27
to
38
miles
and
we're
also
trying
to
predict
future
plans
and
where
mileage
might
be
added,
so
that
they
would
be
balanced
a
little
bit.
But
we
were,
we
were
really
using.
V
You
know
some
Geographic
locate
like
Flagstaff
road
became
a
a
line
between
you
know
zone
three
and
four,
but
it
was
really
the
mileage
we
were
looking
at
of,
like
you
know,
what's
a
capacity
of
you
know
splitting
it
up,
for
you
know
from
a
maintenance
operations
perspective,
but
then
also
like
in
an
inventory
and
condition
monitoring
perspective
too.
So
it
might
just
be
a
convenient
way
for
when
we're
we're
splitting
things
up
a
little
bit.
P
Okay
and
then
on
that
map
or
a
side
before
after
did
it,
did
it
State
why
you
made
the
stones
because,
like
one
of
the
like
Zone,
one
was
much
larger
and
and
obviously
you
could
see
like
from
where,
but
if
you're
saying
that
they're
all
supposed
to
be
the
same
size
when
I
looked
at
them,
they
were
different
in
size.
But
is
that
just
because
of
the
the
terrain
yeah.
V
It's
so
it's
not
Geographic
size.
It's.
How
many
miles
of
Trail
size
is
the
way
we're
thinking
about
it
so
actually
zone
three
which
is
considerably
smaller.
That's
like
Chautauqua.
You
know
Mesa
Trail,
West,
basically
so
Bear
Canyon,
Mallory
cave,
that's
actually
one
of
our
biggest
zones.
It's
got
30
38
miles
in
it.
V
You
know,
but
it's
not
a
it's,
not
a
geographic
size.
It's
it's
mileage
of
trails
that
we
were
trying
to
balance
a
little
bit.
Okay
got.
P
It
okay
I'll,
stop
talking
and
let
someone
else
have
a
go.
Thank
you.
B
Chad
I
liked
your
description
of
of
different
perceptions
of
the
trail
system
from
the
stat
professional
staff
to
the
trail
users
and
I
want
to
take
you
to
another
persp
perception,
which
is
the
perception
of
the
taxpayers
and
and
in
the
statistically
valid
survey
that
was
done
for
the
master
plan.
B
The
taxpayers
had
a
slightly
lower
value
statement
about
trails
and
and
when
I,
one
of
my
concerns
about
Trails
is
that
it
seems
like
they
keep
being
re-rooted
and
I
understand
why
Legacy
Trails
you've
done
a
good
job
of
explaining
why
Legacy
Trails
need
rerouting
and
revision
because
of
the
lack
of
of
sustainability
of
the
existing
Roots.
But
then
I
look
at
Trails
like
the
one
from
Marshall
to
the
east.
That
was
only
put
in
I,
don't
know
15
years
or
so
ago,
10
15
years
ago,
and
it
has
been
re-rooted.
B
So
why
do
we
keep
rerouting
trails
sure,
and
even
though,
even
though
today
you
say
these
are
the
best
possible
routes
we
could
ever
do.
This
is
the
perfect
Trail
alignment
and
and
we've
constructed
it
totally
sustainably.
I
have
the
hunch
that
in
five
ten
years,
you're
going
to
say
and
we've
got
to
reroute
it
to
make
it
more
sustainable.
B
V
V
I
was
just
talking
with
Francis
about
that
yesterday
and
you
know
it's
it's
one
of
those
things
where
you
know
we're
learning
as
we
go
and
getting
better
and
better
and
better
at
it.
And
you
know
you
look
at
you
know
you
mentioned
the
the
Marshall
heading
east.
You
know
that
I
think
I'm
pretty
sure.
That's
like
the
community,
ditch
section
you're
talking
about
that
drops
down
to
Marshall
Valley.
V
So
it
was
a
problematic
spot,
and
you
know
what
we
do
is
we,
when
we
look
at
something
like
that,
we
look
at
options
to
repair
it
in
place.
What's
the
cost,
and
then
we
look
at
Alternatives,
you
know
a
reroute
and
is
what's
what's
the
most
affordable
and
also
can
we
balance
it
within
all
the
you
know,
ecological
and
cultural
sensitivities
that
might
be
in
an
area
like
that.
You
know
so
we'll
open
up
a
conversation,
and
you
know
we
found
an
opportunity
over
on
that
section
of
community
ditch.
V
Now
we
did
the
same
process
and
Bo
is
kind
of
describing
that
when
we
were
out
on
site
and
at
Dowdy-
and
you
know
he
he
looked
at
the
same
situation
like
this
section-
isn't
really
working
as
well
as
we
would
like.
Is
it
worth
rerouting?
Can
we
reroute
it
and
in
that
situation
he
deemed
that
it's
not
worth
rerouting
the
cost
benefit
analysis.
Just
didn't
pay
up
it
just
didn't
pay
off.
V
You
know
so
we're
trying
to
look
at
things
holistically
before
we
sink
a
lot
of
money
and
effort
into
it
and
with
the
understanding
that
there's
sometimes
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
reroute.
Sometimes
we
will
and
sometimes
it's
a
great
option,
and
sometimes
it's
not
so
from
a
you
know.
Taxpayer
perspective.
Are
we
going
to,
you
know,
be
rerouting
everything
forever
and
definitely
I
think
that
as
we're
transitioning,
our
you
know
Legacy
Trails
into
something
a
little
bit
more
sustainable
and
you
know
trying
to
get
a
handle
on
that.
G
V
To
be
a
point
where
and
I've
seen
this
in
other
other
land
agencies,
where
you
get
to
a
point
where
reroutes,
really
it's
not
really
a
part
of
the
conversation
as
much
as
time
goes
on
we're
just
kind
of
in
that
transitionary
period,
and
it's
going
to
last
some
time
as
we
Implement
you
know
the
TSA.
You
know
the
West
TSA,
the
north
TSA
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
rerouting
for
a
while.
V
But
I
I
predict
that
that
it'll
be
less
frequent
as
time
goes
on
and
we
make
dents
into
the
Trail
maintenance
backlog.
Q
Q
And
if
so,
how
do
we
know
when
we're
in
it
and
what
does
it
will
it
take
to
get
out
of
it.
V
The
trail
staff
always
makes
fun
of
me
for
this
one
because
I
like
that
term
and
for
me
it's
a
reminder
not
to
neglect
any
assets
right
and
I.
V
Think
when
I
think
of
the
the
the
the
asset
death
spiral,
I,
think
of
kind
of
where
we've
gotten
ourselves
in
to
some
degree
and
it's
a
degree
it's
not
like
we're
in
the
full
tailspin,
but
Mount
sinitis
is
really
one
of
those
situations
that
it
is
an
incredible
undertaking
that
we're
just
trying
to
pick
away
at
slowly
we're
getting
more
efficient
at
it,
but
we're
trying
to
do
a
little
bit
at
a
time.
You
select
the
worst
spots
on
the
trail
and
fix
those
and
improve
it.
V
I
would
say
that,
were
we
in
a
death
spiral
with
balcinitis,
maybe,
but
if
we
hadn't
started
doing
this
like
annual
investment
into
it,
we
definitely
would
have
been
in
a
much
worse
place.
You
know,
especially
if
you
look
like
five
or
ten
years
out,
you
know.
So
that's
the
trail
that
comes
to
mind
for
me
is
like
probably
the
most
problematic
in
some
ways,
but
it's
also
an
account
iconic
experience.
V
That's
important!
You
know
for
our
community.
Q
Well,
Royal
Arch
at
one
point
might
have
also
qualified,
but
but
we
seem
to
have
pulled
out
of
that
pretty
well,
and
so
that's
good
yeah,
but
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
effort
and
costs
to
do
that.
V
Good,
okay,
so-
and
this
will
be
a
little
bit
more
brief,
but
I
want
to
jump
into
the
trail
maintenance
backlog
updates.
V
So
the
the
40
million
dollar
number
is
stuck
in
everybody's
Minds
from
2018,
and
then
you
know
all
the
conversations
around
the
master
plan
so
wanted
to.
You
know
relate
back
to
that.
A
little
bit
are
we
making
progress?
Are
we
not
is
really
the
question
that
I?
Would,
you
know,
I
think,
is
on
all
of
our
minds.
V
One
of
the
challenges,
though,
is
we've
only
done
a
second
round
of
surveys
condition
data
surveys
for
three-fifths
of
the
system
or
three
Zone
maintenance
zones.
So
we
have
partial
data,
we
don't
have
all
the
data
but
and
there's
also
a
little
bit
of
a
lag
time
in
the
data
collection.
So
we
may
have
done
some
work,
that's
not
captured
in
the
data
or
you
know
in
the
case
of
the
Marshall
fire
that
data
was
was
collected
before
the
Marshall
fire.
V
So
there's
been
a
little
bit
of
damage
since
then
you
know
so
the
data
is
not
perfect,
there's
a
little
bit
of
lag
time,
but
you
know
it
gives
us
a
little
bit
of
a
indicator
of
where
we're
at
so
looking
at
the
three
zones
that
we
have
surveyed
so
far.
V
We
so-
and
this
is
all
based
on
2018
cost
estimates,
because
I
wanted
to
make
sure
there
was
a
one-to-one
relationship,
so
we
use
2018
linear
foot
cost
estimates.
Originally
the
three
zones
were
26
and
a
half
million
dollars
in
maintenance
backlog
out
of
the
40
million,
and
the
surveys
between
2019,
21
and
2021
show
that
you
know
we're
at
23.4
million
dollars.
V
So
that's
a
about
a
12
reduction
for
these
three
zones
and
the
thermometer
is
a
nod
to
you
Karen
when
you
requested
it
so
I
just
wanted
to
point
out,
though
you
know,
there's
the
40
million
dollar
number,
but
we're
really
only
able
to
show
data
on.
V
You
know
the
the
three
zones.
So
that's
the
kind
of
representation
of
the
the
dark
line
versus
the
lighter
line.
V
V
V
So
in
this
you
can
see
from
the
preventative
repairs
actually
decreased,
but
unfortunately
some
of
the
major
repairs
or
the
red
went
up
a
little
bit,
so
some
Trails
got
a
little
worse
and
then
we
sustained,
but
I,
do
want
to
say
that
there's
there's
a
couple
projects
ongoing
that
aren't
captured
in
this
yet
including
Royal
Arch,
which
Dave
was
was
mentioning
so
I,
think
things
look
a
little
bit
better
than
this,
but
probably
not
a
ton.
V
V
Gears
a
little
bit
from
the
maintenance
backlog
and
then
we
talked
about
prescriptions
also,
so
we're
really
trying
to
come
up
with
multiple
ways
to
look
at.
You
know
an
estimate.
V
You
know
our
our
the
situation
with
our
program,
our
trail
system,
so
prescriptions
are
a
way
to
estimate
the
maintenance
backlog.
Estimates
help
us
kind
of
give
us
a
perspective,
but
then
total
cost
total
replacement
cost
is
another
form
of
estimating
that's.
You
know
Asset
Management,
you
know
industry
standards
and
it
has
some
limitations,
especially
with
the
with
Trails.
It's
really
difficult
to
calculate
standard
costs.
V
Beehive
is
helping
us
get
more
accurate,
but
it's
it's
challenging,
but
with
all
those
limited
with
limitations,
the
total
replacement
costs
for
the
system
as
of
right
now
we're
looking
at
70
to
80
million
dollars,
and
you
know
when
you
look
at
a
total
replacement
cost.
There's
an
industry
standard
of
about
three
three
to
five
percent.
V
Three
percent
is
really
industry
standard
for
maintenance
costs
and
when
you
look
at
three
percent
of
80
million
dollars,
interestingly,
you
know
that's
really
within
range
of
our
operating
and
CIP
funds,
so
three
percent
of
80
million
would
actually
be
2.2
million,
which
is
our
operating
budget.
3.3
million
dollars,
which
includes
our
our
CIP
funds,
is
about
four
percent.
You
know
so
you
know
with
our
current,
you
know
funding.
You
know
we
really
can
make
a
sustained
progress.
C
Even
though
it's
not
a
perfect
estimate,
it
is
it's
one
of
those
things
that
it's
an
indicator
that.
V
You
know
we're
potentially
on
track,
but
one
of
the
things
that
is
really
important
to
point
out
with
this
is
that
would
assume
you
know
that
we're
putting
the
majority,
if
not
all,
of
our
operating
and
CIP
funds
towards
Trail
maintenance
backlog,
and
you
know,
as
we
were
talking
about
priorities
before
there's
a
lot
of
moving
parts
and
a
lot
of
Master
Plan
strategies
that
you
know
interconnect
with
Trails.
So
we
just
have
to
be
conscious
when
we're
trying
to
balance
that
across
the
you
know,
our
work
planning.
V
Just
want
to
hit
upon
a
couple
future
up
aspirations
for
our
program.
Culture
have
continued
continuous
improvements.
You
know
programmatically
and
holistic,
Asset
Management.
We
continue
to
learn
and
improve
on
all
our
systems
and
processes.
V
A
focus
on
trail
maintenance
backlog
is
a
high
priority.
Getting
the
estimate-
and
you
know,
system-wide
Trail
prescriptions
is
a
high
priority
that
we're
moving
forward
on
and
capturing
that
in
beehive.
You
know
so
we'll
be
able
to
share
those
estimates.
Eventually,
one
of
the
things
I
didn't
talk
a
lot
about,
but
research
questions,
establishing
research
questions
potentially
on
you
know,
Trail
widths
in
relation
to
you
know,
condition
of
you
know
visitor.
You
know,
condition
of
infrastructure
and
visitation
numbers,
and
you
know
undesignated
Trails
things
like
that.
V
We
could
really
set
up
some
research
questions
around
all
this
data
and
do
a
further
analysis
which
could
be
really
exciting
over
time
to
to
continue
to
learn
from
the
data
data.
Transparency
is
also
really
important
to
us
and
you
know
going
to
be
a
priority
dashboards,
as
I
mentioned
through
beehive,
for,
for
you
know,
simpler
reporting
that
can
be.
V
You
know
we
can
get
out
a
lot
faster
and
more
efficiently
and
then
also
setting
condition
targets
for
our
system
either
by
Trail,
or
you
know,
within
a
zone
or
even
like
a
type
of
Trail,
so
like
accessible,
Trails
or
type
of
TM,
you
know
certain
type
of
TMO.
We
could
set
targets
around
the
condition-
and
you
know
start
to
strive
for
that
because
it's,
it's
probably
unreasonable
to
say
we'll
get
rid
of
the
40
million
dollar
backlog
entirely.
V
V
And
then
a
few
Reflections,
the
Open
Space
Mountain
Parks,
you
know
we,
we
manage
a
really
complex
trail
system
and
we
have
a
robust
and
strategic
Trail
program
to
do
that.
You
know
key
principles
again
continuous
Improvement
holistic,
Asset
Management,
be
you
know
we
data
is
indicating
that
we
have
about
a
12
reduction
in
trail
maintenance
backlog
for
three-fifths
of
the
system,
looking
forward
to
having
that
system-wide
inventory
done
for
a
second
round,
so
we
can
update
that.
V
V
And
that's
this
all
the
slides
I
have
any
further
questions.
P
I
have
a
couple
more.
Thank
you
for
that
presentation.
That
was
really
good,
I
appreciate
it.
So,
basically,
what
I
hear
is
if
we
held
steady
with
our
Trails
budget
and
left
it
in
place
that
could
manage
and
sustain
and
improve
Trails
backlog.
P
And
then
we
would,
you
know,
in
a
perfect
world,
be
able
to
just
kind
of
make
Trails
2.0
and
create
a
whole
new
budget
for
it
and
use
that
for
all
of
our
new
cool
upcoming
projects,
and
that
would
actually
show
progress
in
reduction
of
trails
backlog.
But
you
know
no
one
lives
in
like
magical
Fairyland,
and
you
know
everyone
would
love
to
like
double
how
much
money
they
have
in
any
condition
right
so
related
to
that
I.
P
Don't
know
if
you
have
ever
done
this
personally
or
with
what
you
have
done
with
beehive
in
the
system.
What
you
think
would
be
the
best
way,
but
using
big
numbers
like
that,
like
doubling
something,
let's
say
your
budget
was
given
a
50
increase.
Have
you
ever
taken
a
number
that
size
and
plugged
it
into
either
operations
or
CIP
funding,
and
in
doing
so,
beehive
was
able
to
show
you?
Oh
if
you
had
that
amount
of
cash,
this
would
be
a
better
place
to
put
it
either.
A
or
B.
P
Have
you
ever
played
with
the
system
in
that
way?
So.
V
Fascinating
question
I
think
no
not
entirely
have
we
thought
about
like
if
we
had
x
no
x
amount
of
more
funding.
What
would
that
mean?
I
think
that
there's
a
a
reality
that
you
know
we
really
need
to
consider
before
we
even
think
about
like
oh,
if
we
had
a
50
increase.
What
would
that
look
like?
V
Because
we
are
you
know
like
like
I
was
saying
the
the
trail
program
is
really
interconnected
into
the
department
and
we're
really
reliant
on
you
know
our
Wildlife
staff,
our
cultural
staff
and
you
know,
be
the
office
space,
the
the
amount
of
vehicles
we're
allowed
to
have,
and
you
know,
I
I-
think
that
there's
there's
a
a
reality
of
you
know
in
some
ways.
50
increase
is
a
little
unsettling
to
me
in
some
ways.
V
Not
that
I
would
complain,
but
I
think
that
we
would
see
other
bottlenecks
right
where
we
would
need
otherwise
more
Wildlife
stuff.
We
would
need
because
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
get
the
designs
moving
forward.
We
would
hit
bottlenecks
in
permitting.
V
You
know
in
issues
with
permitting-
or
you
know,
just
general
space
challenges,
so
I
think
when
we're
looking
at
you
know
how
much
increase
would
be
appropriate
and
you
know
I,
think
incremental
increase
cases
and
strategic
increases
are
something
that
would
be.
You
know,
I
think
that's
something
we
can
consider
and
then
I
think
there's
also
the
reality
of
you
know,
projects
that
aren't
like
focused
entirely
on
trail
maintenance
backlog.
You
know
projects
like
undesignated
Trail
projects
that
you
know
might
result
in
new
trails.
V
You
know
that
that
type
of
work
is
really
important.
You
know
projects
that
are
focused
on
habitat
restoration,
really
important.
You
know,
even
though
it
might
look
like
a
trail
project.
It
might
be
driven
forward
by
you
know,
habitat
restoration,
but
those
types
of
projects
that
are
really
important
can
impact
our
sustained
progress
on
the
maintenance
backlog.
So
we
just
have
to
be
really
careful
how
we
balance
it,
and
then
you
know
how
how
do
we
balance
the
funding
and
the
the
resourcing
on
it?
So
I
didn't
quite
answer.
V
The
question
I
think
I
kind
of
walked
around
it
a
little
bit
so
I'll
own.
That
but
I
think
those
factors
are
really
important
to
add
to
that
question.
Yeah.
T
T
Was
just
going
to
say,
another
thing
that
we're
thinking
about
is:
is
that,
for
instance,
instead
of
saying
well,
how
do
we
add
5
more
staff
to
this
is:
is
looking
at
like
Bose
program
of
bringing
value-added
volunteer
groups
which
we
still
have
some
untapped
capacity
there.
So
could
one
person
a
staff
person
that
works
more
on
the
volunteer
and
bring
on
12
more
people
through
volunteerism
to
help
support
the
Trails
program,
so
a
limited
investment
could
result
in
a
pretty
big,
significant
capacity
increase.
T
P
I'm
glad
you
answered
the
question
that
way
because
it
it
really
shows
you
know.
Biggie
was
right
even
in
trail
design
like
More
Money,
More
Problems.
You
know
it
might
not
actually
be
the
answer
so
I'm
glad
that
you
answered
it.
That
way,
because
most
people
would
think
if
you
had
unlimited
funding
that
that
could
solve
the
problem.
So
seeing
that
even
if
you
did
there
would
still
be
bottlenecks,
is
is
good
to
know.
So.
Thank
you.
R
You
calculate
to
replacement
costs,
is.
Are
you
assuming
that
you
just
replaced
like
or,
as
is
like
everything
you
had
to
rebuild
that
trail
completely
just
to
to
the
way
it
is
today
or.
M
R
V
Yeah
and
it's
it's
a
complicated
number
to
try
to
pull
together
and
that's
why
I
was
really
trying
to
share
the
limitations.
And
you
know
it's
not
a
perfect
number,
but
what
we
did
to
come
up
with
that
calculation
was
we
pulled
project,
cost
data
from
beehive
and
then
even
passed
before
we
had
beehive.
V
You
know
some
of
that
data
too,
and
so
we
calculated
cost,
like
average
cost
per
linear
foot
for
Trails,
but
we
did
it
by
different
Trail
types
so
per
TMO,
and
then
we
multiplied
that
out
by
the
linear
footage
of
each
Trail
type.
Basically,
so,
there's
a
little
bit
of
an
assumption
built
into
there
because,
like
we
wouldn't
want
to.
V
V
We
would
probably
want
to
think
about
it
a
little
differently,
but
you
know
so
there's
some
assumptions
built
into
that.
But
that's
how
that
number
came
about.
V
But
no,
it
didn't
factor
in
that,
but.
X
But
Michelle
it
does.
It
is
based
on
kind
of
a
like
new,
like
what
would
that
cost
be
to
build
a
a
new.
You
know
what
we'd
want
to.
You
know
our
standard
approach
and
that's
how
we
come
up
with
all
these
numbers
and
you,
the
maintenance
backlog
is,
and
you
look
at
all
the
cost
of
repairs
to
those
standards
like
Chad
present
like
what's
it
going
to
take
to
get
it
to
that
light
new,
and
then
that's
how
you
can
estimate
your
backlog.
X
B
Yeah
I
have
I
have
a
question
that
not
quite
sure
how
to
frame
it,
but
I
basically
want
to
know
how
much
more
visitation.
X
V
I,
it's
a
tricky
one.
You
know
and
I
think
I
think.
Let
me
step
back
from
it
a
little
bit.
So
one
of
the
things
that,
like
I,
think
about
when
I
think
about
high
visitation
is
you
know
the
the
amount
of
infrastructure
like
as
you
get
to
a
point
of
you
know:
increased
visitation,
High
visitation.
You
start
thinking
about
like
how
much
infrastructure
does
it
take
to
keep
people
on
trail
and
not
impacting
beyond
the
trail.
V
You
know
we're
starting
to
see
some
some
data
evidence.
You
know
some
correlation
between
trails
that
are
in
good
shape
and
basically
reducing
the
amount
of
undesigned
trails
or
impacts.
On
the
you
know,
the
edges
of
the
trails
are
beyond
the
trails,
so
we're
seeing
some
some
correlation
there,
but
it's
really
preliminary
and
something
we
want
to
dig
into
more.
V
You
know,
but
that's
such
a
complex
question,
because
it
also
gets
into
experience
right,
which
is
you
know
so
individual
in
some
ways.
Right
like?
Are
you
looking
for
an
experience
where
you're
hiking
with
10
000
people
a
day
or
are
you
looking
for
a
remote
experience
right
and
how
do
we?
How
do
we
calculate
that,
like
that's,
that's
so
complex
in
some
ways,
so
it's
a
really
tricky
question
to
ask
Jeff.
Do
you
have
anything?
Do
you
want
to
add
on.
X
B
B
You
reduce
the
existing
habitat
because
you've
you've
laid
down
the
trail
twice
so,
instead
of
just
taking
up
the
space
for
one
Trail,
you've
now
taken
up
the
space
for
True
two
trails
and
you
try
to
restore
the
old
trail
alignment,
but
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
we
can
afford
to
lose
Trails
I,
don't
think
we
can
afford
to
lose
habitat
and,
as
you've
said,
very
well
Chad.
The
two
interplay.
I
P
Can
I
ask
you
something
real
quick
before
the
staff
jumps
in
and
I
heard
you
talking?
Were
you
gonna,
add
more
to
your
question.
B
P
Ahead
so
the
day
that
we
went
out
on
our
house
and
we
ran
into
Jake
doing
the
wheel,
is
it
the
point
of
those
factors
and
conditions
that
everything's
kind
of
hitting
their
Red,
Zone
and
they're
saying
okay?
At
this
point,
the
best
thing
to
do
for
this
Trail
is
going
to
be
to
reroute.
It
are
those
like
I,
guess,
tie-in
points,
I,
don't
know
what
would
be
the
right
word
to
use
like
when
it
hits
that
area
before
that
transition
happens.
Is
that
specifically,
what
you're
talking
about
I
know?
B
Mileage
I'm
talking
more
generally
than
that,
just
in
terms
of
limits,
because
we
all
know
there
are
limits.
We
cannot
keep
buying
up
open
space
at
the
rate
that
we've
bought
it
over
the
last
30
40
50
years,
and
and
that
means
we
cannot
keep
generating
more
Trail
mileage
at
the
same
rate
that
we
have
been
doing
it
and
we
without
without
eliminating
habitat-
and
we
know
from
the
statistically
valid
surveys
that
have
been
done,
that
that
ecosystem
health
and
resilience
of
the
habitat
is
the
absolutely
essential
most
important.
B
Quality
of
the
open
space
system,
according
to
the
taxpayer
perspective,
who
are
the
people
who
have
been
buying
the
tens
of
thousands
of
acres
of
land?
So
so,
how
are
we
gonna
deal
with
the
increasing
visitation,
given
that,
at
some
point
we're
going
to
be
reaching
the
limit.
P
P
Q
And
a
couple
of
points,
some
evidence
on
the
ground
anyway,
from
my
perspective,
Karen,
we
have
300
miles
over
300
miles
of
Trail
right,
and
that
is
the
indication
of
the
system's
capacity
and
I
I.
Think
you
know
we
we
tend
to
fool
ourselves.
Q
If
we
just
say
well,
you
know
we
have
150
miles
of
Trail
when
in
fact
you
know
there's
another
150
or
so
that's
contributing
to
you
know
the
visitor
experience
on
the
system,
and
certainly
there
are
some
expectations
that
those
trails
you
know
are
suitable
Trails
in
the
community
or
in
the
just
well.
Q
Right
so
I
think
until
we
can
get
a
handle
on
our
undesignated
Trail
issue
and
convince
community
and
visitors
that
you
know
it's
not
okay,
to
go
on
trails
that
are
not.
You
know,
officially
maintained
we're
going
to
continue
to
have
this
issue
and
what
I
perceive
as
a
major
management
problem.
X
I
was
gonna,
just
yeah,
sorry,
Chad
I
was
just
going
to
add,
I
mean
you
know,
I
think
it
does
go
to
and-
and
we
certainly
would
want
to
hear
from
Francis
and
others.
You
know
in
our
resource
and
stewardship
team
as
well,
but
the
idea
of
this
carrying
capacity
and
kind
of
fold
that
into
like
an
Adaptive
management
approach
of
you
know
what
are
the
threshold?
You
know
what
is
that
standard
kind
of
to
Chad's
Point,
like
both
physically
with
the
trail
infrastructure,
as
well
as
the
experiential
standard?
X
You
know
that
we
want
to
have
set
targets
and
goals
for
that
and
then
manage
for
that.
You
know
what
are
those
thresholds
if
we
start
seeing
this
much
change
in
the
tread
with
or
this
many
more
people
on
the
trail
you
know
than
we
take
these
different
management
actions
or
interventions
to
to
you
know
to
solve
that
or
to
manage
for
that.
So
it's
it's
a
real
company,
you
know
I
know
we
all
have
different
approaches
to
that.
X
But
I
think
those
are
the
things
that
go
in
my
mind
when
we
start
thinking
about
the
system
and
just
like
Dave
mentioned,
we
look
forward
to
next
month
in
October,
coming
back
to
the
board
and
talking
more
specifically
about
the
undesonated
trails,
which
is
a
whole
other
realm
that
we
haven't
really
got
into
this
evening,
so
that
also
Dave's
correct.
That
starts
to
show
just
how
much
use
of
visitations
out
there,
but
anyway
I
see
Francis
turned
on
the
camera
too.
Let's.
Y
Kind
of
brought
up-
okay,
I,
was
also
gonna,
raise
about
undesignated,
Trails,
but
I
think
it's
it's
just
important
to
kind
of
acknowledge
to
Karen's
question
or
maybe
reiterate
what
Chad
was
saying
around
you
know.
Trails
really
are
one
of
the
best
tools
we
have
to
concentrate
use
so
I
think,
especially
when
we're
dealing
with
higher
visitation
levels
in
areas
where
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
people.
You
know
I
think
we
have
there's
a
wide
range
of
trails,
there's
a
lot.
Y
What
Chad
is
getting
yet
and
I
think
as
we
see
a
higher
visitation
that
then
puts
you,
know:
managers
in
a
position
of
wanting
to
recommend
higher
levels
of
development
for
that
infrastructure,
to
accommodate
it,
and
that's
why
you
know
the
the
process
we
have
developing
and
designating
trails
in
the
places
where
they
cost
the
least
resource
impact
is
so
important
as
compared
to
like
undesignated
trails
that
somebody
might
walk
in.
So
you
know
we
are
thinking
a
lot
about
that.
Y
We
do
have
a
lot
of
really
interesting
data
sets
that
are
combining
to
kind
of
manage
those
issues
and
and
I
maybe
want
to
reassure
that.
That
is
like
Forefront
in
a
lot
of
our
minds.
We
are
kind
of
grappling
with
the
same
things
and
we
are
talking
to
a
lot
of
our
neighboring
agencies
about
the
same
things
and
I
know
like
open
space.
That
we
manage
is
at
a
different
kind
of
level.
We've
acquired
a
lot
of
land.
V
T
Yeah
thanks,
Chad
and
and
I
know
you
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
force
behind
you
on
putting
all
this
together
in
the
field
trip
and
then
next
month,
so
just
hats
off
to
the
full
team
for
using
this
opportunity
to
pull
together,
not
only
data
but
a
story
and
and
and
a
presentation
for
all
of
us
so
really
appreciate
the
effort.
Thank.
I
T
All
right,
Karen
I've,
got
one
last
little
segment.
It's
a
a
few
quick
director
updates.
One
of
my
updates
is
pertaining
to
some
tribal
relation
work
that
is
ongoing.
T
Many
of
you
know
that
we
have
a
really
robust
partnership
with
our
American
Indian
nations
that
around
actually
around
between
13
and
15,
separate
Nations
that
we
regularly
interact
with
sometimes
in
a
formal
fashion,
through
tribal
consultation,
as
it's
called,
sometimes
through
when
we
find
a
inadvertent
discovery
of
tools
in
our
system.
T
For
instance,
we
use
them
to
get
their
opinion
on
what
we
should
do
with
that
find
and
one
one
area
that
We've
recently
worked
to
completion
with
is
is
the
development
of
a
land
acknowledgment
that
we
put
together
in
partnership
with
our
American
Indian
nations,
and
I
would
like
to
use
this
opportunity
if,
if
Leah
can
bring
up
the
screen,
so
we
have
what
we
call
more
of
an
abbreviated
version
that
we
could
use
at
meetings
such
as
this,
and
but
we
also
have
a
full
version
that
lives
on
on
the
website
and
I
really
encourage
people
that
want
to
know
more
about
the
newly
created
land
acknowledgment
that
we
did
in
Partnership
of
where,
where
the
full
version
lives-
and
it
is
on
the
website
under
our
tribal
relations
section
of
the
website,
but
I'll
just
take
a
moment
to
to
read
what
we
call
our
abbreviated
version.
T
The
city
of
Boulder
acknowledges
the
city
is
on
the
ancestral
homelands
and
unseated
territory
of
indigenous
peoples
who
have
traversed
lived
in
and
stewarded
lands
in
the
Boulder
Valley.
Since
time
immemorial.
These
nations
include
the
Apache,
the
Arapahoe
Cheyenne
Comanche,
Kiwa,
Pani,
Shoshone,
Sioux
and
ute.
We
honor
and
respect
the
people
of
these
nations
and
their
ancestors.
We
also
recognize
that
indigenous
knowledge,
oral
histories
and
languages
handed
down
through
generations
have
shaped
profound
cultural
and
spiritual
connections
with
Boulder
area
lands
and
ecosystems,
connections
that
are
sustained
and
celebrated.
T
To
this
day,
the
city
of
Boulder
recognizes
that
those
now
living
and
working
on
these
ancestral
lands
have
a
responsibility
to
acknowledge
and
address
and
address
the
past.
We
must
not
only
acknowledge
our
past
but
work
to
build
a
more
just
future.
We
are
committed
to
taking
action
Beyond
these
words.
We
pledge
to
use
this
land
acknowledgment
to
help
Inspire
education
and
reflection
and
initiate
meaningful
action
to
help
support
indigenous
Nations
communities
and
organizations,
see
so
I.
T
Think
that
gives
you
a
flavor
of
the
type
of
narrative
that
we
put
together
in
collaboration
with
our
partners,
and
it's
in
this
spirit
that
we've
that
the
city
has
has
has
really
taken
a
a
pretty
some
robust
initiatives
over
the
last
20
years
and,
most
recently
over
the
last
three
or
four
on
on
several
initiatives
that
that
have
initiated
a
lot
of
collaboration
with
our
tribal
Partners.
T
One
of
them,
of
course,
is
our
work
out
at
our
Fort
Chambers
Poor
Farm
property,
110,
Acre,
Site,
that
we
acquired
back
in
2018,
which
has
a
connection
to
the
horrible
atrocities
of
the
Sand
Creek
Massacre,
and
one
of
our
pledges
of
of
planning
for
that
that
property's
future
was
to
collaborate
with
the
tribal
Nations
that
were
impacted
through
that
horribly
horrible
event
and
in
your
packet
today
is
just
to
we're
going
to
be
just
keeping.
T
You
updated
through
this
over
the
next
18
months,
two-year
period
of
our
collaborative
work
with
tribal
Representatives
that
are
representing
these
three
nations,
who
have
agreed
to
participate
in
a
collaborative
way
of
of
of
of
of
planning,
developing
a
Land
Management
plan
for
that
property.
T
And
we
kicked
it
off
by
having
we
actually
had
tribal
representatives
from
all
three
nations
come
in
for
a
couple
of
days,
two
nights
in
a
day
a
month
or
so
ago,
and
in
your
packet
is
just
a
summary
of
of
of
what
took
place
that
day,
some
initial
thoughts
and
Reflections
that
we
were
getting
from
these
tribal
representatives
and
some
steps
forward.
We're
going
to
take
in
our
continual
collaboration
with
them
on
that
property.
T
But
it
was
a
very
moving
day
we
had
our
city
manager
participated
for
for
most
of
the
morning,
we
had
our
city
Equity
manager
that
participated
throughout
the
day.
You
know,
obviously,
a
few
open
space
staff
that
were
throughout
the
day
and
and
Dave
Coons
was
able
to
actually
join
us
for
some
of
the
some
some
of
the
day
as
well,
including
the
field
trip,
and
that
was
really
the
culmination
of
the
day
was
to
go
out
and
visit
the
site.
T
Some
of
the
tribal
Representatives
have
never
been
at
the
site
and
actually
being
out
there
and
seeing
it
and
they
conducted
a
ceremony
on
the
site
was
really
the
foundational
piece
of
the
whole
visit
to
begin
with.
Is
it's
hard
to
sort
of
project?
T
What
goes
next
for
this
site
and
what
the
Land
Management
plan,
without
a
really
good
inner
sense
of
of
what
the
property
is
so
I'm
very
I
was
very
excited
about
how
the
day
went.
I
was
very
excited
about
the
input
and
feedback
we
were
receiving
from
the
tribes
and,
of
course,
there's
a
lot
of
work
ahead
of
us
on
the
Land
Management
plan
and
in
this
collaboration,
but
I
really
think
we're
off
to
a
great
start,
and
hopefully
we
captured
some
of
that
flavor
in
the
memo.
T
That's
in
your
packet,
so
I
just
wanted
to
provide
that
that
that
that
background
and
and
as
a
staff,
we
will
obviously
keep
you
updated
throughout
throughout
the
process
throughout
the
whole
process.
But
especially
this
initial
phase,
where
we're
focusing
in
our
on
our
engagement
and
collaboration
with
the
tribes
I,
don't
know
Dave
if
you
have
any
Reflections
from
some
of
your
participation
that
day
but
or
any
other
questions
that
people
may
have
about
what
was
in
the
packet
or
or
my
brief
summary.
Q
Yeah
I
I
do
Dan
and,
and
thanks
I'd
like
to
Echo
your
thoughts
and
comments
as
well.
You
know
what
has
struck
me
over
the
25
years
of
collaborating
and
working
with
the
various
tribes
is
their
willingness
to
to
have
Tribal
Representatives
come
in
and
meet
with
us
and
and
work
with
us?
It's
it's
pretty
amazing.
Q
I
think
my
sense
of
one
of
the
aspects
of
the
meeting
a
month
or
so
ago
was
that
the
tribal
representatives
were
less
concerned
about
finding
the
actual
location
of
of
Fort
Chambers.
They
they
were
most
concerned
and
thought
most
important.
Is
that
telling
the
truth
about
what
happened
and
I
wrote
a
few
notes
that
I
I
got
three
sentences?
I
just
want
to
read
you
out
that
I
wrote
after
the
meeting
that
you
know,
hopefully
will
give
you
a
sense
of
where
people
were
at,
because
this
is
a
diff.
Q
This
just
feels
different
and
I.
Think
the
the
the
main
reason
is
because
of
what
happened
subsequently,
you
know
from
this
this
place,
but
it
feels
different
from
the
other.
You
know
collaboration
and
cooperation
on
issues
that
we've
talked
about
previously.
Q
So
what
I
wrote
is
the
this
is.
This
meeting
was
an
opportunity
to
tell
the
truth
about
an
event
that
lives
in
infamy
in
the
history
of
the
western
United
States.
Q
The
massacre
of
I
mean
unsuspecting
and
peaceful
members
of
the
Cheyenne
and
Arapaho
at
Sand.
Creek
began
right
here
in
Boulder
this
meeting.
The
meeting
that
we
had
a
month
ago
highlighted
the
need
for
understanding
the
importance
and
significance
of
working
together
to
achieve
Mutual
goals
and
celebrate
the
many
voices
telling
their
stories
that
help
us
understand
where
we've
come
from
and
focus
on
where
we're
going
and
I
think
that's.
Our
real
challenge
is
to
make
sure
that
we
properly
celebrate
are
working
together
and
tell
the
story
as
truthfully
as
we
can.
B
One
of
my
questions
that
ties
in
directly
to
this
is
a
statement
on
page
two
of
the
memo
that
talks
about
the
need
to
communicate
events
before
and
after
the
massacre
massacre,
and
that
those
were
considered
to
be
critical
perspectives
from
the
indigenous
View
and
what
I'm
wondering
is
whether
we
know
what
cert
resources,
research
sources
to
go
to
to
get
that
at
this
point,
whether
we
have
no
idea
and
it
needs
to
be
ferretted
out
or
whether
we
have
some
ideas
and
have
started
down
that
path.
T
Yeah
I
think
when
we
were
giving
presentations
throughout
the
day
we
we
obviously
needed
to
acknowledge
that
the
information
that
we're
drawing
on,
especially
when
we
talk
about
history,
started
in
1858
and
going
right.
T
It
was
from
it's
a
eurocentric
perspective
and,
and-
and
so
that
was
something
that
you
know
was
fully
admitted
and
and
and
and
I
think
that
the
perspective
that
they
were
giving
is
that
there's
opportunities
to
tell
the
story
from
other
perspectives,
and
so
that's
I
think
one
area
which
we're
going
to
rely
on
them
to
help
us.
T
You
know
put
that
together,
especially
when
the
comment
is
of
of
of
what
came
before
this,
so
part
of
the
limitation
that
we
have,
obviously,
is
that
we,
you
know,
we
have
a
Euro
Centric
perspective
of
this
and
that's-
and
we
tell
the
history
through
our
own
eyes,
and
part
of
this
collaboration
is
to
expand
that
vision
and
to
be
able
to
put
put
this
perspective
in
a
much
more
holistic
light
and
so
bringing
the
partners
together.
T
That's
something
that
I
think
that
is
probably
the
intent
is
I.
Think
Dave
is
right,
I
think
telling
the
story
accurately
and
and
holistically
is
what
they're
seeking
they're
very
supportive
of
all
the
charter
purposes
going
on
out
there
and
I
think
there
I
think
the
focus
is,
is
how
can
we?
How
can
we
tell
this
story,
and
how
can
we
tell
it
not
just
through
our
own
eyes
but
through
you
know
the
the
eyes
of
the
indigenous
peoples
that
came
before
this,
so
I
think
that's.
T
The
next
step
is
what
what
that
looks
like
what
the
opportunities
are
out
there
and
how
best
to
do
that.
You
know
I
think
we're.
We're
certainly
have
skills
that
the
technicalities
of
a
Land
Management
plan,
like
you
know
what
are
the
restoration
opportunities
where
some
great
agricultural
soils
and
and
we'll
have
a
chance
to
put
all
that
together
and
to
hear.
B
T
There's
a
few
things
that
some
quote-unquote
homework
that
they've
agreed
to
take
back
and
bring
back
to
us,
but
you
know
I
would
view
this
very
much
as
a
getting
to
know
each
other
introductory
meeting
we
covered.
We
covered
a
lot
of
things.
You
know
we
had
to
talk
about
the
city,
Charter
and
and
the
open
space
mission
and
and
then
go
on
onto
the
property.
So
it
was
a
very,
very
robust
but
very
foundational
meeting
and
yeah
I
think
it's.
T
You
know
we'll
we'll
get
into
how
that
collaboration
looks
like
in
terms
of
how
best
to
tell
the
story
out
there.
B
C
Thanks
everyone
who
attended
this
Dave,
thank
you
for
reading
those
lovely
words.
I'm
I'm
really
excited
about
the
collaboration.
C
You
know
and
I
I
think
it's
important
that
we
really
listen
to
what
they
say
and
what
you
know
how
they
think
we
should
tell
the
story
and
it
seems
like
we're
doing
that
which
is
really
exciting.
So
I
I
was
really
excited
to
read.
The
update.
I
did
have
a
question
at
the
end.
You
mentioned
that
they
were
going
to
provide
an
mou
from
a
similar
project.
As
an
example,
do
you
know
what
that
project
was
where
they
and
implied
they
may
have
worked
with
folks
on
a
similar
project?
T
Yeah
I
don't
know
Casey
if
you're
still
on,
you
may
have
a
sense
of
if,
if
what
what
follow-up
has
been
done
on
that
in
regards
to
the
idea
of
the
mou
of
sort
of
solidifying,
how
this
partnership
going
forward
is
going
to
look
like,
but.
L
Sure
it
wasn't
one
they
might
have
had
a
specific
project.
They
didn't
mention
one
specific
project
John,
but
they
have
collaborated
with
several
other.
You
know,
city
and
state
organizations,
and
the
northern
Arapahoe
in
particular,
typically
put
into
place
mousse
for
a
variety
of
consultation
on
projects,
and
so
they
had
some
standard
ones
that
they
they've
used
with
the
for
a
variety
of
projects
that
they
said
that
they
would
provide
an
example
for
we.
L
We
haven't
gotten
that
yet,
but
we're
continuing
to
follow
up
and
also
look
at
some
other
leads
to
get
an
example,
one
to
start
the
conversation.
So
there
wasn't
one
in
particular,
but
they
it's
a
common
practice
of
theirs.
B
A
quick
question
about
timeline,
I
I
think
it's
perfectly
clear
that
that
the
negotiations
with
the
tribal
Representatives
it
has
started
and
will
continue
with
a
timeline
that
you're
going
to
try
to
work
at
at
fleshing
out
in
the
mou.
B
And
then
you
indicated
that,
after
that
there
would
be
broader
Community
engagement.
Can
you
the
last
sentence?
It
says
staff
will
seek
osbt
feedback
on
the
site
management
plan.
Will
that
come
before
or
after
the
community
input.
L
Sorry,
just
I'm,
reading
myself,
there
Karen
we
really
haven't
fleshed
out
exactly
the
process.
For
you
know
it
could,
it
could
be
both
it
could
be
before
it
could
be
after
there
could
be
two
different
touch
points
with
with
the
board.
We
haven't
really
fleshed
that
out
yet
in
terms
of
what
that
Community
engagement
looks
like
and
what
would
be
the
appropriate
time,
for
there
might
be
multiple
times
appropriate
times
for
input.
You
know
from
the
board,
so
we
really
haven't
fleshed
that
out
in
any
detail
and
I.
L
Think
that
once
we
have
a
better
understanding
of
how
the
tribal
component
will
flesh
out
will
focus
our
energy,
then,
on
defining
the
next
steps
for.
B
L
T
Yeah,
thank
you,
everyone,
so
just
wanna
in
the
we're
going
to
end
a
little
bit
on
the
somber
mode
note,
but
in
in
case
all
of
you
haven't
yet
heard.
We
we
lost
a
dear
member
of
our
conservation
Community
recently
with
the
passing
of
Ray
Bridge
just
want
to
staff
helped
put
together
a
few
words
that
we
would
like
to
present
to
you
thanks
Leah,
for
for
bringing
that
up,
but
Rey,
as
as
many
of
you
know,
was
an
osmp
volunteer.
T
He
was
a
frequent
attendee
at
osbt
meetings
and
Os
osmp
public
engagement
events.
He
was
a
local
advocate.
He
was
a
long
time
representative
of
the
Boulder
County
Audubon
Society,
and
you
know
we
were
deeply
sad
to
hear
about
his
passing
in
August.
T
Since
2007
Ray
gave
1200
volunteer
hours
to
open
space
amount,
Parks
as
as
a
volunteer
naturalist
as
a
Trail
Guide
as
a
frog
monitor
as
a
native
B
Block
Monitor
and
participated
in
trail
projects,
public
hikes
and
trainings
beyond
the
investment
in
time
he
made
connections
with
many
staff,
many
volunteers
and
visitors,
and
in
particular
he
he
shared
his
knowledge
and
passion
for
local
geology
with
people
of
all
ages,
and
he
has
written
a
definitive
book
the
ideology
of
Boulder
County.
T
So,
just
on
behalf
of
the
department,
we
would
like
to
acknowledge
and
Express
gratitude
for
the
many
contributions
that
Rey
has
made
to
the
open
space
and
Mountain
parks
department
over
the
years,
which
has
made
Boulder
a
better
place
and
without
strong
engagements
from
folks
like
Rey.
The
open
space
system
would
not
continue
to
be
as
valuable,
robust
and
healthy
as
it
is
today,
so,
among
other
other
things,
staff
is
certainly
going
to
miss
Ray
smile,
Whit
and
Candor,
and
his
presence
at
our
meetings
over
the
last
many
many
years.
T
So
we
just
wanted
to
pass
those
thoughts
and
feelings
and
condolences
from
a
staff
perspective
and
I.
Welcome.
If
there's
any,
anybody
who
wants
to
add
to
this
from
the
board
perspective
now
would
be
great,
but
thank
you
for
allowing
us
the
time
to
us
speak
to
Ray
a
little
bit
about
Rey.
Thank
you.
B
Thanks
Dan
I
I
want
to
agree
with
you.
I
think
he
was
a
genuine
Steward
that
embraced
the
whole
open
space
system.
He
he
engaged
in
trail
building
in
in
trail
restoration
projects.
B
B
We
took
up
to
the
Springbrook
loops
and
he
took
one
look
at
the
side
of
the
hill,
and
he
said
you
know
that's
clay
soils
you're
going
to
have
a
mess
if
you
build
a
trail
through
there
and
sure
enough,
the
trail
slipped
and
we
rebuilt
the
trail,
but
he
contributed
in
so
many
ways
to
the
trails,
the
trail
building,
the
habitat,
preservation
and
restoration
control
of
invasive
species
and
the
education
project.
B
He
took
I
can't
begin
to
imagine
how
many
thousands
of
elementary
school
kids
he
took
on
the
McClintock
Trail
to
excite
them
about
the
open
space
system
and
all
right
to
to
tell
you
something
that
Tom
Isaacson
said
he
said.
B
I'll
never
forget
the
the
hearing
that
Ray
came
to
with
one
of
his
famous
t-shirts
on
with
a
saying
on
it,
because
he
always
came
to
the
microphone
and
spoke
from
Fox
and
a
base
of
Science
and
Tom
said
it
was
all
I
could
do
to
let
out
a
huge
belly
laugh
when
I
saw
that
the
T-shirt
he
had
on
said
science,
it's
better
than
making
up
and-
and
that
was
that
was
Rey.
B
Q
For
that
Karen
I
I
just
want
to
add
that
you
know
I
have
the
same
feeling
about
losing
Ray
that
I
had
with
the
loss
of
Ricky
Weiser,
and
that
is
that
you
know
there
are
certain
people
in
history
that
really
do
make
a
difference
in
their
lions
and
lioness
lionesses
in
in
those
roles
in
Ricky
certainly
was
once
she
she
attended.
Q
I
can't
remember
a
open
space
board
meeting
that
she
did
not
attend
a
city
council
meeting
that
she
did
not
attend
and
and
Ray
was
of
similar
caliber,
and
you
know
you
you
just
kind
of
despair
that
you
know
we're
losing
those
people
and
you
know,
will
will
there
be
others
that
you
know
come
in
their
place
and
hopefully
that's
true,
but
they
they
were
stalwarts
of
the
community
and
this
community
benefited
greatly
over
the
years
from
their
presence.
So
thank
you.
Ray.
A
B
Okay
and
I
think
we're
ready
to
move
forward
with
the
next
step
for
the
retreat,
which
comes
up
on
September
28th.
B
The
public
is
invited
to
participate
by
virtual
attendance
and
information
about
that
will
be
on
the
website.
Is
that
right.
T
And
we'll
try
to
put
the
packet
out
either
that
Wednesday
night
or
Thursday
before
the
retreat,
so
I'll
look
for
that.
You
know
around
the
21st
22nd
or
so
and
well
things
will
be
posted
up
on
the
website.
B
Thank
you,
Leah
great,
okay,
I'll,
look
forward
to
seeing
you
all
then,
and
thanks
for
another
good
meeting,
all.