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I
think,
your
efforts,
are
really
gonna,
be
difficult,
with
the
expansion
of
growth,
from
cu,
south
and
from
all
the
impacts,
to
our
open
space.,
and
you
need
to
do
something
about
it.
Yourselves,,
because
no
one
else,
is,
I
go
to
10
other
meetings,
and
I
can
see
it
happening,
all
the
time,.
Thank
you.
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Okay,
so
for
background,
in
terms
of
where
we
are
in
the
process,
tonight's,
a
public
hearing
on
the
preferred
on
the
final
recommendation
to
from
staff
to
the
open
space
board
of
trustees,
and
it
is
a
public
hearing,
offering,,
the
community,
the
opportunity
to
provide
comments,
on
that
staff
recommendation,.
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The
onsite
intercept
survey
also
gathered
input
on
the
level
support
for
each
alternative,,
which
indicated
that
many
respondents
supported
all
3
management
alternatives,
to
allow
ebiking,,
even
if
they
did
prefer,
one
specific
alternative,.
So
the
best
way
to
describe
that
is,
for
example,
almost
all
of.
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Were
concerned
about
a
lot
of
any
bikes,,
and
so
not
at
all
on
the
left
side,
to
extremely
on
the
right,
and
what's
important
about
this.
Is
that
understanding
the
current
areas
of
concern
and
expected
outcomes
is
helpful
for
informing
current
and
future
management
and
such
as
how
to
develop
effective
communication
and
where
to.
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Surveys,,
which
was
a
topic
of
discussion
last
month,,
the
board
asked
for
some
information
on
enforcement,
both
what
violations
and
finds
are
some
things
issued,
and
how
a
little
bit
more
information
beyond
what
we
shared
last
month,
for
a
management,
approach
for
e
biking,.
We
provide
some
information
on
open.
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Yes.,
that's
correct.,
I
think.
yeah,,
I
mean,,
that's
not
a
recommendation.,
I
mean
we
had
come
to
the
board,,
and
this
is
this
predates
my
time
at
at
osmp,.
But
we've
covered
this
a
little
bit
in
the
past.
In
2,016
we
presented
to
the
board
a
number
of
trails
to
dispose
of,
and
that
is
one
of
the.
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So
it'd
have
to
be
disposed
of
to
another
department.,
so
the
only
way
that
ebi
can
could
take
place
on
any
trails
that
is
managed
by
the
open
space
department
is
by
making
the
change
to
the
bowler,
revised
code
as
well
as
through
the
city.
Managers,
role
of
designating,
which
trails,
would
be
could
be
designated
for.
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Would
say,
you
can
be
by
gun,
open
space
and
under
that
change,
we
could
then
manage
them
as
a
department,,
and
we
would
not
need
to
dispose
them,,
but
then
moving
forward
with
disposal,
would
that
only
cover
ebay
or
once
it
was
opened
up
at
a
disposal
was
being
made
under
city
manager.
Rule
then,
therefore,
and.
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And
what
that
means
moving
forward
with
any
other
processes,,
what
that
might
open
up.,
but
I
did
have
a
question,
and
I'm
probably
will
need
to
move
back
to
that.,
but
just
for
me
to
know,.
We
talked
about
enforcement,
since
it
would
stay
if,
if
it
was
passed
under
the
staff
recommendation,,
it
would
stay
with
open
space
and
mountain
parks,.
What
what
I
heard
you
say
enforcement,,
but
I
I
think
I
missed
it
in
your
presentation.
I
saw
at
the
end.
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Likely
with
ebikes.
most
people
don't
cost
problems
with
them.,
but
the
people
that
do
calls
problems
with
them,
because
of
the
nature
of
the
speed
and
the
size
of
trails
and
many
other
factors,
it
it
could.
It
could
actually
be
to
you
know
the
worst
case,
scenario,
so
making
sure
that
the
people
that
are
out
there
to
enforce
really
have
the
ability
to
invoice.
I
think.
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Okay.
there
would
be
a
public
hearing.,
then,,
typically
on
second
reading,,
when
the
public
has
an
opportunity
to
present
their
concerns,
or
their
support
for
for
the
measure.
Count
council
then
deliberates,.
They
determine
through
that
deliberation
process
with
that
background,
education,
whether
they
want
to
make
a
legislative
finding,
and
we
have.
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Appropriate
and
necessary
manner,
if
there
are
management,
concerns
associated
with
various
uses
or
air
areas
of
use,.
So
I
I
are
you
saying,.
Without
council,
approval,
or,,
yeah,
yeah,,
those
are
management,
actions,
that
are
taken.
We,
we,
the
staff
and
the
board,,
may
inform
console,.
This
is
what
we're.
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cause,
I
have
to
know
this
question.
if
I'm
gonna
be
asked
to
make
a
decision,.
So
my
question
is
jenna
and
thank
you
for
being
here,
and
answering
all
these
questions,.
I
think
maybe
we
just
teach
in
the
time
or
something,
but
if
we
object,
to
a
city
manager,
rule,
if
the
board
says
that
is
not
what.
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If,
if
osbt,,
if
the
board
objected
to
his
city
manager,
rule,
and
the
city
manager
went
forward
to
say
thank
you
for
that
input,,
but
through
the
analysis
we
are
going
to
go
forward
with
this,
then
the
board
can
appeal
that
to
city
council
and
then
city
council
will
make
a
determination
at
that
stage.
So.
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So.,
alright
is
my
point
correct,
and
my
point,
is
that
some
of
them
compete
with
others,
and
so
to
cherry,
pick
and
just
select.
The
ones
that
are
supportive
of
what
you're,
thinking
of
doing
is
is
not
considering
the
whole
of
the
master,
plan
and
all
the
complexities,
of
of
the
document..
We
can
include
the
outcomes.
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Every
respondents
are
concerned,
about
displacing
other
visitors.
when
ebikes
are
allowed..
So,
given
that
collection
of
existing
data,
I'd
like
to
know
what
specific
strategies,
staff
is
envisioning
to
prevent
the
obvious
displacement
and
concern
about
displacement,
yeah,
has
been
provided
in
evidence.
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That's
true.,
but
I'm
talking
about
a
different.
situation.,
I'm
talking
about
adding
bicycle,
use,
tr
trail
and
discounting
visitors,,
and
I'm
very
concerned
about
that.
And
I
have
not
seen
evidence,
and
I
hope
in
our
january
packet,.
If
you
have
additional
evidence
to
bring
to
light
on
that
subject
of
displacement,,
adding
a
use.
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that
was
first
set
as
a
target,,
and
it
was
up
to
6
right
after
the
designation,
in
that
particular
case,
bikes
were
a
new
allowed
activity,
some
of
the
other
postm
monitoring
that
we
did
actually
indicates
that
you
swin
up
across
all
classes
all
activity
classes,,
including
hikers,.
I
quite
significant.
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So
I'd
rather
not
do
that.
and
finally,.
I
see
bikes
is
getting
lighter
and
lighter,
with
every
passing
month.
they,
yeah,.
They
don't
do
more
damage
to
the
the
delta
in
in
weight
between
an
e
bike
and
a
regular
bike
is
less
than
the
delta
between
2
sample
bikers.
So
I
don't
see,
how
they
significantly
damage
the
trails,
any
differently.
Thank
you.
Very.
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Which
trial,
and
we
have
to
decide.
the
alternative,
change,,
the
code
or
just
both
of
them,,
which
sort
of
made
me
uncomfortable,,
because
the
assumption
had
already
been
made
that
there
would
be
ebay
okay,.
I
also
think
it's
very
important
to
look
at
outcomes,,
meaning
we're
making
choices
when
we
choose
to.
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Sure.
equipment,
and
as
such,,
we
cannot
lump
all
people
who
ride
bikes
on
public
land,
into
one
homogeneous
group,.
What
vma
does
support
is
a
thoughtful
open,
fair
and
transparent
public
process,
for
this
and
other
public
land
can
access
consistently.
Since
our
founding
equitable
access
for
mountain.
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Yeah
and
our
members.
bma's
request
for
additional
studies
should
not
be
taken
as
a
negative
view
towards
ebikes..
We
believe
a
more
robust
and
on
the
ground.
approach
will
better
address
the
concerns
of
osbourne,
members
and
of
the
community.
vma
is
ready
to
assist
osmp
with
any
additional
research
necessary
to
move
forward
with
this
proposal.
Thank
you.
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Evaluation
to
arrive
at
your
recommendation
for
alternative.
b.
we
certainly
see
an
arrival
for
increased
regional,
byte,
connectivity
with
class,
one
and
class,
2,,
electric
bicycle,
access
to
wide
crush,
surface
multi-use,
paths,
and
trails,
that
are
predominantly
used
for
commuting,
however,.
We
do,
support,
access
for
only
class
one
petal
assess,,
electric
mountain
bikes.
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4,
service,
and
tahoe,
national
forest.,
I'm
happy
to
send
that
study,,
but
they
concluded
that
after
they
allowed
class,
one
electric
mountain
bikes,
on
single
track,
natural
surface,,
trails,
that
there
that
were
open
and
currently
used
by
mount
biking,
enthusiasts,
and
hikers,.
There
was
not
measurably.
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Uphill
and
flat
sections
of
trails
in
this
study,.
So
I
encourage
you
to
look
at
other
studies
that
have
been
done
across
the
country,,
including
by
national
federal
land
managers,,
as
well
as
local
communities
like
jeff,,
co
and
others,,
and
all
that
to
be
said
that
while
there,
may
be
individuals.
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Practicing,
irresponsible
trail
use..
This
is
not
the
case
for
whole,
communities,
or
user
groups..
There's
several
studies..
That
also
show
that
riders
of
ebikes
and
analog
bicycles,
display
similar
safety,
behavior,.
While
writing
as
well
as
the
use
of
the
electric
mountain,
bikes,
and
vice,
ebikes,,
are
getting
lighter.
The
components
are
similar.
Therefore,
this
should
be
a.
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With
the
characteristics
of
the
particular
trail
and
surroundings,
taken
into
account,,
and
that
argues
against
having
decisions
about
the
trails
being
made
by
the
city
manager,
who
is
not
an
expert
on
trail
characteristics.
And
so
I
am
dead,
set
against
giving
responsibility
to
the
city
manager
or
her
office.
For.
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Many
of
these
people
were
better
athletes
in
their
prime
than
I
ever
was.,
but
due
to
the
ravages
of
age
or
infirmity,
have
you
know
now,
have
to
rely
upon
using
some
form
of
aists,
some
form
of
pedal
assistant,
they're,
mountain
biking,
to
continue
to
do
what
they've
enjoy
doing
for
all
of
these
years?
I
would
like
to.
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Of
enjoying,,
the
trails
with
ebikes.,
the
differences
really
come
down
to
how
the
trails
are
enjoyed,,
and
that
comes
down,
as
I
mentioned
before,
to
the
camaraderie
and
the
enjoyment
of
the
outdoors,
and
so
in
summary,.
I'd
like
to
advocate
for
the
option
a
because
I
feel
that
through
experience,
you.
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bike,
and
I
have
to
explain
hey,
this
is
my
disabled
and
that's
a
an
invasive
conversation,,
a
very
deeply
personal
conversation,,
and
not
always
one
that
I
want
to
have
and
I'm
just
out
trying
to
get
them
exercise.
So
I
hope
that
when
you're
redoing
signage
on
the
trails,,
that
messaging
is
included
to
inform
the
public
that
there
is
ada
access
that
may
be
different
from
access
for
the
general,
public,.
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The
the
second
thing,,
the
third
thing,
rather
is
about
the
class,,
because
they
all
all
3,
classes,
have
the
same
high
speed,
capability,.
It
doesn't
matter
to
me,,
particularly
what
the
class,
is
given
the
weight
of
the
writer
and
so
on.
We
ought
to
be
looking
at
stopping
distances,
rather
than
speed.
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Okay.
alright,,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time,.
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
bringing
fax
and
user
surveys
and
information
to
this
conversation,
cause,
even
in
our
own
bike,
community.
This
conversation
is
so
weighted
in
emotion,
and
personal
experience,.
I
think,
it's,
really
more
about
what
is
the
broad
community
looking,
to.
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My
friends,
ride,
their
bikes,,
and
where
can
they
continue
that
experience??
It
is
on
the
area
that
is
actually
not
recommended
in
the
suggested
route,,
and
that
concerned
me
and
then,
when
I
went
digging
for
the
reason,,
I
can't
find
a
reason
other
than
we're
trying
to
comply
with
what
local
land
managers,
are
doing.
But
if
I
look
directly
south
to
jeff
co.
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My
experience,
is
that
everybody
was
hoping
and
hard
and
laughing,
and
shouting
and
carrying
on,
and
having
a
wonderful
time,,
and
that
is
not
the
experience,
that
most
of
us
appreciate
on
osmp
having
said,
that
I
don't
want
to
just
say
they
shouldn't
be
allowed.
But
I
think,
an
easier
way
to
look
at.
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Ground
for
force
management,,
all
that
work
goes
through
my
stadium,
operation,
supervisor
and
cook,,
who
is
one
of
our
crew?
Leads,
has
just
recently
left
the
department,
unfortunately
so
be
refilling
his
position
soon
and
then,
chris
year,
off
who's
been
with
the
department,
with
our
forestry
program.
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More
competitive,,
but
we've
been
pretty
successful
in
that
that's..
The
next
project.
I'll
talk
about
has
gotten
some
money
for
that.
We've
sampled
over
a
100
over
story,
inventory
plots,
in
22
and
2,500
story
sites.
So
these
again,
really
lent,
to
that
adaptive.
Management,
of
are
we
meeting,
our.
AM
AM
AM
Out
to
a
national
fire
assignments,,
which
both
kind
of
puts
money
in
the
in
the
cruise
pocket,,
but
also
increases
our
ability,
and
our
training
within
the
department,.
As
far
as
you
know,,
increasing
our
ability
to
to
respond
to
fires,
on
our
system,
so
8
different
fire,
assignments,
national
fire.
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
C
AM
AM
AM
AM
So,
the
the
project
I
wanted
to
highlight
for
ecological
restoration
as
a
little
bit
different.
you
know,
there.
There
is
an
a
map
for
this
one,,
but
they
work
closely
with
ritual
and
our
grassland
ecology
program
on
this
native
seed
collection,
and
an
increase
program,.
This
is
really
an
opportunity
to
collect
native
plan,
material
across
the
system,.
It's
really
important
for.
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
then
then
kelly
has
really
been
working
on
is
getting
to
autographs
listed
on
the
state
lead
list.,
so
it
will
in
2,000,
and
23,,
be
on
the
list,.
It'll
be
watch
listed,,
but
that
does
give
us
the
opportunity
to
apply
for
grants,
and
you
know,
kind
of
continue
to
to
work,
towards
it,
be
it
as
a
statewide
focus.
So
that's
that's
definitely
been.
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
Goes
along
with
the
next
one
potential
capacity
building
through
additional
staffing
and
equipment..
You
all
know
that
we
got
some
city
taxes
approved,
and
that
address,
wildfire
or
mitigation,
as
well,
as
countywide
taxes
approved,
so
we're
anticipating,,
some
additional
funding,.
How
that
gets,
allocated
and
spent
is
still
sort
of
in
the
works,
and
we're.
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
C
AM
C
AM
AM
AM
It's
kind
of
up
and
down,
depending,
on
what
species.
it
is.,
but
in
general,
similar
areas,,
fewer
plans,,
teasel,
teasel,
that
one
that
one's
kind
of
an
ongoing
yeah,.
It
is
a
tough
one,
yeah,
it
appears,
like
there's
progress
and
alongside,
yeah,
yeah,.
I
think
we've,
definitely,
made
progress,
in
in
here.
AM
B
B
B
B
B
Software,
system.
and
again,
john
was
at
the
forefront
of
working
with
several
of
us,
and
developing
a
great,
robust
work
plan
that
we're
now
have
pretty
good
confidence
to
what
we
are
going
to
be
doing
2
or
3,
years.
From
now
from
an
annual
work
planning
perspective
so
and
obviously,
project
management,
john,
is.