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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:,
the
appropriate
time,
is
during
the
public
comment
which
will
come,
shortly
after
we
review
our
prior
meeting
minutes,,
and
there
are
not
other
points
during
this
meeting
for
public
commentary.
So
think
that
over
as
we,
the
board
review
and
pull
up
the
minutes
from
the
prior
meeting.
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:,
but
you're
exactly
right.
We
heard
that
the
board
would
receive
the
template
for
conservation
easement
in
its
sort
of
fundamental
form
that
is
on
on
staffs
hands,.
So
I
think
that
is
notable,
and
if
you'd
like
that
added
to
the
minutes,,
I
see
no
problem,.
It
certainly
happened
in
the
meeting.
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bridge,
boulder
county,
audubon:
unfortunately,.
The
report
seems
to
mainly
serve
the
purpose
of
justifying
preconceived
design
decisions
regarding
the
geology
of
the
area,,
the
report
notes,
and
then
the
bedrock
which
may
or
may
not
be
an
important
part
of
the
system
of
aquifers
that
preserve.
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Raymond
bridge,
boulder
county
audubon:.
This
report
simply
ignores
the
question
by
assuming
that
the
pier
is
a
monolithic
impermeable
unit,,
like
other
parts
of
this
report,.
The
geology
used
for
this
model
is
inadequate
and
the
trustees
should
be
skeptical
of
the
engineering
of
this
project,
generally,
thank
you.
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burke;
cob
osmp:,
alright,
so
with
that
we've
got
a.
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Bethany
collins,
cob:
a
fan
yeah,
it's
a
little
a
little
bit
of
both.
So
that's
an
econ
drill,
state
services
manager,
for
when
faith
and.
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ashley:
sure
yeah
no
problem.
Let's
go
back
leah.
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:
matt
one
really
technical
clarify
in
the
existing
ce
related
to
large
agricultural
structures,.
They
use
the
word
for
public
use.
Am
I
correct
to
read
that
to
me,
you
could
build
an
equestrian
center,
but
you're
only
allowed
to
use
it
for
you
and
your
your
family
as
the
primary
owner.
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Bethany
collins,
cob:
that
but
to
be
clear,
the
current
conservation
easement.
While
I
do
believe
it's
in
rural
residential
zoning
does
restrict
that
kind
of
development
or
subdivision
already
so,
and
then
they
you
know
they
have
a
separate
residential
parcel
that
we
don't
we're.
Not.
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Caroline
miller:
planning
and
permitting
map
I
have
up,
does
have
it
as
a
state
showing
it
on
on
that
side
of
the
road,
and
the
other
side
is
rule
just
to
make
sure
that.
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Caroline
miller:
is,
is
there.
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Bethany
collins,
cob:,
I
I
you
know
we
can
double
check
that.
I
believe
they
actually
use
their
irrigation
water
that
they
have.
They
have
north
north
boulder
farmers
that
shares
and
I
believe
they
use
their
their
ditch
water
to
water,.
But
we
can
certainly
confirm
that
confirm
that,,
although
they
would
be.
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Karen
hollweg,
osbt:
well.
karen
hollweg,
osbt:,
while
we're
on
the
the
private
parcel.
But
can
you
just
say
a
word
or
two
about
why.
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collins,
cob:,
but
yes,
again,,
with
it
being
a
perpetual
document,.
We
will
include
that
they
would
be
maintaining
it
as
a
right,
perry
and
court
or
and,.
If
necessary,
they
would
be
doing
restoration
work.
If,
if
something
were
to
impact
that
as
a
ripe
area
and,
as
a
healthy
by
pairing,
quarter.,.
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Karen
hollweg,
osbt:,
okay
and
then
on
the
the
second
section
at
the
top
of
page
two
in
the
memo.
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Karen
hollweg,
osbt:
there
anymore,,
but
the
first
bullet
under
that
says
flood
why
protections
prevent
construction
of
buildings,
requiring
a
building
permit.
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Bethany
collins,
cob:,
so
right
now
the
conservation,.
These
men
is
fairly
silent
on
commercial
or
industrial
operations,
like
a
commercial
greenhouse.
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Bethany
collins,
cob:
that
you
see
out,,
you
know
kind
of
been.,
bethany,
collins,
cob:
in
an
agricultural
property
things
like
that,,
and
so
the
goal
of
that
really
is
smaller
minor
agricultural
structures,
so
lonely,
small
loafing
sense.
Three
sides
structures
to
allow
livestock
to
get.
You
know:
storm
shelters
for
livestock.
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burke;
cob
osmp:
all
right,,
how
we
ready
to
move
on.,
hal,
hallstein,
osbt:,
I
think
so.
dan
burke;
cob
osmp:,
all
right,.
We
got
one
more
matter
under
the
department,,
and
that
is
an
overview
of
our
trail
heads
program
and
with
that
will
also
include
some
information
about
a
very
recent
condition:
assessment
that
we.
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jarret
roberts:
yeah,
it's
nice
to
see
the
board
members
again
and
I
think
I've
met
in
height,
with
many
of
you,.
So
I
will
miss
going
on
hikes
for
those
that
I
haven't
and..
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Ben
verrill,
cob:
and
then
picture
here's
our
crew,
that's
dana
diskin
in
the
middle
assistant,
crew,
lead
patrick
campbell
on
the
left
and
ashley
ultimate
bird
on
the
right,,
and
they
are
crew
members,
and
we
are
currently
in
the
process
of
hiring
one
vacancy
for
crew
members,
normally,.
We
would
have
for.
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verrill,
cob:
next
slide.
ben
verrill,
cob:
next
up
yeah
just
quickly
want
to
talk
on
kind
of
trailhead
group
directives
and
goals.
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Ben
verrill,
cob:,
so
I
can
go
the
next
slide
already
as
jeremy
mentioned,,
you
know,
trail
heads
and
access
points
are
kind
of
a
gateway
to
open
space.
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Ben
verrill,,
cob:
and
then,
as
a
team,.
We
also
maintain
a
culture
of
innovation,
teamwork,
customer
service
and
consistent
quality,
and
I
just
want
to
touch
on
those
a
little
more
quickly,.
Innovation
is
really
important
to
us
just
because
of
the
variety,
we
work
we
do
and
trail
heads
as
jeremy
mentioned.
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Ben
verrill,
cob:
you
know,,
because
of
that
we
constantly
seek
to
innovate
and
improve
our,
not
just
our
methods
and
processes,,
but
our
tools
and
materials.
In
any
way
we
can,
you
know,
increase
efficiency
and
do
better
work
out
there.
Teamwork
is
really
important
to
us,
you
know,,
because
we
have
a.
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Ben
verrill,,
cob:
and
then
consistent
quality
is
just
something
we
really
value,.
You
know
we
want
our
crew,
to
take
the
time
and
do
things
right
up
to
our
standard,.
You
know
and
not
worry
about
rushing
through
tasks,,
and
so
we
encourage
them
to
always
do
that.
You
know,,
while
still
maintaining
efficiency.
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Cob,
jarret
roberts:.
You
have
to
put
the
extra
effort
in
and
they're
figuring
things
out
which,
which
I'm
really
inspired
and
impressed
by
them
for
so
ben's,
going
to
walk
you
through
what
the
class
system
is,
and
then
we
had
a
recent
update,,
which
I
alluded
to,.
You
know
kind
of
talk
about
that
as
well.
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Cob,
jarret
roberts:
and
I
believe
we
have
an
opportunity
here
to
create
a
really
great,
welcoming
gateways
to
our
system
that
encourage
respect
and
stewardship
of
habitats,
running
habitats,,
while
also
drastically
reducing
costs
and
maintenance
time.
So
ben's
gonna
walk
us
through
some
of
the
trial
condition.
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ben
verrill,
cob:
in
a
you
know,
important
to
note,
I'm
not
trying
to
be
to
doom
and
gloom
here
so
overall,
our
our
house
is
only
43.2%
were
rated
as
a
need
of
moderate
to
significant
repairs
and
maintenance
and
again
the
consultant
noted,.
Most
of
that
was
building,.
You
know
conditioner
building,
materials.
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Ben
verrill,
cob:
so,
again
across
the
board,,
we
scored,
you
know
worse
than
pure
agencies
in
this
category,,
and
you
know
this.
This
difference
is
a
little
more
dramatic
than
some
of
the
other
categories,.
So
this
is
what
I
really
wanted
to
point
out,
and
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity
to
work
on
this.
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Ben
verrill,
cob:
yeah-
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
leo
so
just
kind
of
wanted
to
talk
about
you,
know,
our
main
takeaways
and
next
steps,.
Based
on
these
because
condition,
assessment
reports
and.
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Ben
verrill,
cob::
that's
something
we're
actively
working
on
now
and
look
to
complete
those
costs.
Estimates
sometime
next
year
and
I'd
be
happy
to
provide
an
update
to
the
board
with
more
comprehensive
cost
estimates,.
So
you
can
get
an
idea
of
the
scope
of
work
we're
talking
about
here
in
more
detail.
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ben
verrill,
cob:.
Next
up,
I'm
going
to
talk
about.
Excuse
me
chapman,
dr
trailhead
redesigned
quickly,.
So
the
existing
chat
and
drag
trailhead,
which
you
can
see,
highlighted
in
yellow
on
the
left
side
photo,
was
built
as
an
interim
trailhead
in
2011
to
provide
access
to
chapman
dr
trail,,
and
that
was
completed.
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Karen
hollweg,
osbt:
I,,
I
want
to
thank
jared
for
his
leadership
of
the
trailhead
group
and
that
and
the
trailhead
staff
specifically.
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:,
if
there
is
an
amazing
carbon
investment
in
that
we're
going
to
have
to
find
places
to
put
the
old
things
to
recycle
and
get
rid
of
them,
cutting
new
fence,
posts,
etc,
etc,.
My
point
on
that,,
just
as
I
find
myself
of
the
school
of
thought,
is
there's
got
to
be
a
nice
balance.
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verrill,
cob:,
oh,
I
don't
have
it
off
the
top,
my
head,
but
gosh.
I
think
it's
four
miles,,
which
I
referenced
they're
up
on
wheel,
drive,
wunderland
lake
on
broadway.
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Caroline
miller:
and
then
so
for
those
this
was
actually
being
discussed
at
last
night's
city
council,,
which
is
why
I'm
bringing
it
up,.
So
those
would
be
the
only
and
then,
if
there
are
give
or
take
other
ones,
and
when
you
guys
double
check,.
Those
are
the
only
ones
where
snow
removal
is
done
via
the
city.
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Ben
verrill,
cob:
yeah,,
so
we
will
go
ahead.
Here.
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Ben
verrill,
cob:
generally
know
we
do
have
it's
not
salted
to
eco
friendly,
like
pet
friendly
salt
substitute.
We
use
it
a
couple
locations
like
to
talk,,
where
we
have
staircases
mainly
because
those
we
can
be
a
safety
hazard,,
but
on
sidewalks
we
generally
do
not
use
salt
know
for
any
sort
of
material.
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Caroline
miller:
parking
lots.
What
would
be
done
like
right
now,
when
we
look
at
how
often
repairs,
need
to
be
done
there
and
and
the
cost
of
it.
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Ben
verrill,
cob:
in
a
perfect
world
yeah
I
mean
the
main
thing:
it's
so
I'm
not
sure
if
you're
super
familiar
with
south
mesa,
but
there's
kind
of
that
long,
access
road
that
leads
to
the
parking
lot.
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:,
but
I'm
open
to
provide
a
direct
link
between
our
board
and
counsel
or.
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hallstein,
osbt:
yes.
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:,
who
will
support
us,
and
we
would
like
to
keep
it
a
little
open
what
we
will
have
that
in
that
channel
of
communication
and
we're
we're
showing
what
we
think
is
going
to
be,,
but
not
turn
it
into
a
series
of
like.
Basically,
they
asked
for
one
thing
from
us
that
we
gave
them
many.
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Hal
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osbt:.
I
hope
that
the
staff
finds
these
helpful
as
just
sort
of
philosophical
guidelines
and
karen
deeply
appreciate
all
the
work
you
did
looking
at
other
agencies
thought
processes
and
the
general
work
nationwide
on
this
topic,.
I
certainly
learned
a
lot
in
the
process
to
so
thank
you.
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:
wonderful.
Now
we
are
going
to
move
back
right
around
actually
930,
where
I
suggested
to
the
public,.
We
might
be
that's
amazing
to
a
follow
up
on
the
december
1
2021
study
session
regarding
the
south
boulder
creek
flood
mitigation
project,.
The
purpose
of
this
matter
under
the
board.
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:.
I
appreciate
that
I'm
gonna
jump
in
here
sort
of
in
my
role,
trying
to
facilitate
these
meetings
and
also
acting
as
a
liaison
between
staff
and
the
board.
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hallstein,
osbt:,
very
talented
engineers,
third
party
consultants,
all
these
other
people
to
do
this
work,,
and
so
I
just
think
we
want
to
tread
carefully
as
we
think
about
how
the
right
way
to
receive
that
feedback
is
and
what
the
right
way
to
structure
it
looks
like.
Is
that
make
sense
to
people.
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Michelle
estrella,
osbt
(she,,
her,
hers):,
you
know
we're
boulder
colorado
with
a
world
class
university
in
our
town,.
We
have
some
highly
intelligent,
highly
skilled
scientists
in
our
community.
Absolutely-
and
I
think
I
don't
know
any
of
the
folks
who
who
did
speak
up,
but
I'm
sure
they
are
highly
skilled
and
highly
intelligent..
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Michelle
estrella,,
osbt,
(she,,
her,,
hers):
and
you
know
signing
them
up
to
be
a
citizen
advisory
board
or
a
paid
board
is,
is
really
just
politicizing.
This
issue,,
even
further,,
and
so
I
mean
it's
a
highly
political
issue
and
and
saying
that
we're
going
to
sign
up
and
advisory
board
paid
or
unpaid
is,
is
really
just..
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Caroline
miller:
necessary
you
know,
an
expert
in
your
field,
a
doctorate.
You
know
no
one's
asking
for
just
a
regular
community
member,,
no
matter
how
smart,
they
are
to
to
come
in,
without
the
proper
qualifications.
In
order
to
do
so,,
you
know
someone
that
could
apply
for
a
job
doing
this
and
be.
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Michelle
estrella,
osbt
(she,,
her,
hers):,
you
know
I
would
love
to
to
have
some
exemplars
as
well,
when
I
heard
it
at
the
study
session
is
that
this
situation
is
pretty
unique
and
not
every
end
and
it's
hard
to
find
something
that
it's
that
exact,
exactly
functions
like
this.
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Michelle
estrella,
osbt
(she,,
her,,
hers):
but,,
ensuring
that
we
are,
you
know,
casting
a
wide
net
and
I'm
not
saying,,
because
you
are
part
of
this
inner
circle,
we're
going
to
dedicate
several
hours
and
give
you
the
stage.
I
just
don't
think
that's
an
you
know.
Proper
public
process
is
to
just
pick
someone.
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:,
so
you
know
it's.
I
think,
and
then
that
returns
me
to
the
idea.
If
100%
flow
through
is
the
ecological
requirement,,
I
think
exemplars
that
are
at
least
somewhat
related
are
necessary
and
frankly,
I'm
not
sure
if
I'd
be
willing
to
bet
threatened
species
on
an
engineering,
hypothesis.
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hal
hallstein,
osbt:,
but
but
you
know.
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burke;
cob
osmp:,
you
know
my
only
response
would
be
as
if
anybody
has
any
additional
things
that
they're
going
to
ask
independently
anyway,.
If
we'd
be
a
way
to
do
it
more
comprehensively.
That
might
be
easier
for
you,
utility
staff
to
address,,
rather
than
having
separate
emails
trickle
in
over
to.
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:
okay,
on
the
first
part,
I
would
say
we
have
to
be
a
little
bit
more
specific
about
which
questions
so
that,
just
because
I
think
they're
going
to
respond
to
those
questions,
regardless
of
any
recommendation,.
But
if
we're
going
to
formalize
it,,
we
need
to
be
specific
about
it.
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Caroline
miller:
current,
just
in
the
hopes
that
perhaps
something
would.
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Michelle
estrella,
osbt
(she,,
her,
hers):,
so
that's
I
was
wondering
with
osb
t,,
so
I
think
we're
talking,
I
seems
like
we're
talking
about
two
things
house
talking
about
one
path
and
this
as
written
sounds
like
a
whole
different
path
and
that's
why
I
made
the
comment
that
I
don't
think.
Oh
spt
has
the
authority
to
do
that
and.
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:,
because
the
intended
goal
is,
is
there
already
is
a
wonderful
group
of
qualified
experts
that
are
the
primary
people
on
our
utilities,
staff
who
are
working
so
hard
to
do
this?
That's
the
primary
group.
What
this
board
is
interested
in
is
qualified
experts
who
are
not
on
the
city's
payroll.
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Michelle
estrella,
osbt
(she,
her,
hers):.
There
was
an
entire
process
where
we
said
okay,.
We
want
to
have
representatives
from
the
wreck
community,.
We
want
to
have
representatives
from
the
environmental
community,
we
want
to
have,,
and
then
there
was
this
whole
process
of
like
what
that
representation
looked.
Like.
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Dave
kuntz,
osbt:
wait
a
second.
dave,
kuntz,
osbt:.
I
will
that
the
open
space
board
of
trustees
recommends
that
as
part
of
the
completion
of
the
preliminary
30%
project
design,
the
city's
south
boulder
creek
flood
mitigation
project
team
provide
answers
to
questions
both
staff
and
the
board.
Ask
and
compiled.
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Michelle
estrella,
osbt
(she,
her,
hers):.
I
just
want
to
convey
to
my
peers
here
that
public
process
matters
and,
as
we
bring
folks
in.
I
would
encourage
invitations
to
go
to
contrary
opinions,
so
it's
not
just
so.
We
are
listening
to
both
sides
and
we're
not
just
inviting
one
group
of
people
and
not
another
group
of
people.
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:
right.,
michelle
estrella,
osbt
(she,
her,
hers):,
so
we
have
a
we
have.,
michelle
estrella,
osbt
(she,
her,
hers):,
a
and
an
expert
earlier,
who
said
that
they
found
flaws,
with
the
assumptions
of
the
model.
If
we
could
listen
to
another
independent
expert
who
is
not
on
the
payroll
but
also
believes
that
the
the
models
assumptions
do
work
and
why
yeah.