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The
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
public
comment
for
items
not
identified
for
public
hearing
and
there
is
no
public
hearing
on
any
items
tonight.
So
anyone
who
wants
to
speak
on
anything.
This
is
your
chance
to
do
so.
We
currently
have
two
people
signed
up
and
you'll
get
three
minutes.
Each
first
is
Marcus
puppets
and
then
Hans
price
Marcus.
D
Hey
everybody,
so
my
name
is
Marcus
puppets.
I
live
at
197
Jordan
Place
I'm
here
representing
the
Indian
Peaks
traverse
coalition,
so
I
wanted
to
just
give
you
a
quick
overview.
Indian
Peaks
traverse.
As
this
trail
idea,
we
have
connecting
Boulder
to
Winter.
Park
would
be
about
a
66
mile,
multi-use
trail
it'll,
be
for
runners,
backpackers,
mountain
bikers,
etc,
and
so
recently
we've
formed
a
501
C
3
to
help
support
that
trail
sort
of
on
into
the
future.
D
So
we're
looking
at
what
does
it
take
to
have
a
regional
trek
connectivity
trail
like
that,
like
the
Colorado
Trail
Continental,
Divide
Trail,
going
from
Boulder
to
Winter
Park,
and
what
can
we
do
to
help
basically
coordinate
land
managers,
help
write
grants,
help
communicate
with
the
public
in
turn
of
what's
going
on?
So
the
reason
I'm
here
tonight
is
that
one
of
the
most
important
connections
that
is
yet
to
be
approved
for
the
Indian
Peaks
Traverse
is
the
El
Dorado
Canyon
Walker
connection
that
you
guys
are
discussing
sometime
in
the
near
future.
D
So
I
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
we
exist
as
a
501
C
3
to
help
we've
been
talking
with
a
lot
of
land
managers
from
the
city
to
the
county,
to
the
Forest,
Service,
CPW,
etc.
We
have
a
website
called
Indian
peaks,
Traverse
org,
with
map
the
proposed
trail
alignments
on
there
pretty
much
everything
that
is
out
there
exists
today
or
is
approved
to
be
built
by
land
managers,
except
for
this
connection.
D
Coming
up
so
I
just
wanted
to
sort
of
frame
it
for
you
guys
to
think
about,
and
if
you
have
any
questions
for
me,
I
can
reach
out
via
email
to
say
this
is
bigger
than
just
the
El
Dorado
Canyon
to
walker
connectivity,
it's
actually
Boulder
to
Winter
Park
connectivity,
and
so
that's
a
pretty
crucial
piece
to
be
able
to
do
that.
Multi-Use
connectivity
for
it.
D
So,
like
I,
said,
Indian
Peaks,
Traverse
org,
we
have
maps
up
there,
take
a
look
at
and
we're
working
with
everybody
and
trying
to
be
as
helpful
as
we
can
so
anything
that
we
can
do
to
help.
Let
us
know-
and
you
know
we
don't-
have
a
strong
preference
on
which
of
the
alignment
you're
looking
at.
We
just
want
to
be
able
to
get
connectivity
through
the
park.
So
it's
just
a
please
yes
to
any
trail
in
terms
of
getting
us
through
there,
because
that
allows
us
to
make
the
whole
idea
actually
come
to
fruition.
E
Good
evening
hunts
price,
1719,
Mariposa,
Avenue
I'm,
actually
not
representing
mountain
bikers
today,
I'm
just
representing
myself,
I
wanted
to
talk
about
two
things.
One
is
I
wanted
to
bring
to
your
attention:
a
real
success
story
on
September
15
under
the
leadership
of
beau
Clarke.
We
built
about
a
thousand
feet
of
trail
on
the
high
plains
trail.
E
It
has
yeah
fun
fun
to
ride
on
a
bicycle
or
to
run
it
has
great
reversals,
it
has
drainages
built
in,
and
so
it
will
be
able
to
shed
the
water
a
lot
and
it
will
not
a
road
as
yeah.
The
the
previous
section
did
so
a
real
success
story.
We
had
about
80
people
there,
including
55
high
school
students,
and
we
wanted
to
teach
those
high
school
students
that
good
trails
don't
fall
from
the
sky.
E
E
Second
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
I
in
in
today's
package,
I
and
I,
read
through
the
trails
program
over
the
overview.
I
think
it
was
very
well
prepared,
very
informative
and
and
valuable.
There
was
just
one
thing:
I
was
missing
in
there
and
that
was
undesignated
trails.
I
think
in
particular,
with
the
master
plan
discussion
going
on
and
talking
about
habitat
and
continues
habitat
much
like
parcels,
uninterrupted,
I,
think
social
trails
and
undesignated
trails
are
of
you
know.
E
Having
an
inventory
of
those
trails
is
of
vital
importance
because
otherwise
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
measure
and
without
measuring.
You
can't
manage
so
I
wanted
to
bring
that
to
your
attention.
Hopefully,
that
can
be
added
I'm
sure
it's
a
huge
challenge,
so
yeah,
hopefully
one
of
the
future
meetings.
We
can
talk
about
those
under
signature
trail
mileages.
F
He
knew
before
he
got
it:
Mike
Barrow,
11:03,
Alexandria
and
Lafayette
three
things
tonight
elder
to
Walker
the
user
visitation
study
and
the
trails
inventory
report
I
wanted
to
talk
about
those
three
things
tonight
elder
to
Walker
I
am
after
19
years
of
trying
to
get
something.
Moving
on
this
thing,
it
looks
like
this
rock
is
moving
forward.
I,
there's
still
a
lot
of
anxiety
associated
with.
F
Transparency
and
the
honest
assessment
of
the
possibilities
out
there
for
making
it
happen,
I
personally
favor
the
south
route,
mainly
because
you're
looking
at
a
850
foot
climb
in
the
first
third
of
a
mile,
and
then
you
get
over
to
the
Walker
ranch
side
and
you
lose
all
that
elevation
before
before.
You
can
move
on
and
do
anything
else,
pardon
me
on
the
North
route.
Yes,
sorry,
the
south
route
looks
you
know,
as
best
as
we
can
do,
is
by
looking
at
it
on
Google,
Earth
and
and
that
south
route
looks
really
like
a
fun.
F
A
ridiculous
climb
up
the
rattlesnake
gulch
trail,
true,
but
that
can
be
armored
and
fixed.
So
I
think
it's
my
hope
that
we
get
a
real,
honest
assessment
of
all
the
routes.
The
second
thing
use
a
visitation
study
up
and
in
touch
with
the
human
factors.
Folks
at
OSP
and
I've
gotten
some
data
and
I
don't
have
anything
substantive
to
talk
about,
but
I'm
intrigued
by
what
I'm
finding,
by
playing
with
the
data
and
getting
others
to
help
with
help
me
with
it.
F
So
I'll
probably
have
something
more
to
say
about
that
down
the
line
and
tonight's
user
visitation
study.
I'll
echo
honza's
comments
about
undesignated
trails.
When
you
hear
that
we
have
150
miles
of
trails
in
the
OS
MP
system.
Well,
the
truth
of
the
matter
is:
we
have
300
plus
miles
in
the
system
and
we
shouldn't
you
know
the
animals
aren't
gonna,
know
one
from
another
right.
F
So
it's
kind
of
weird
for
me
to
say
something
like
that:
I
think,
but
anyway,
I'm
looking
forward
to
hearing
all
about
the
trails
I've
been
waiting
on
this
report
for
a
long
time.
I
think
it's
probably
the
most
honest
assessment
I've
ever
seen
in
27
years
of
keeping
my
finger
on
the
pulse,
ofoh
SNP.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
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A
It
could
even
be
early
December
depending
on
how
well
the
three
agencies
can
can
coordinate
staffing
presence.
So
we'll
get
back
to
you
as
soon
as
we
know
the
dates,
but
just
FYI
that
that
timing
has
pushed
been
pushed
back
three
or
four
weeks
from
what
we
were
originally
thinking
earlier
in
the
fall
late
summer.
In
terms
of
our
timing
and.
B
A
They'll,
build
they'll
need
to
be
some
updates
to
that
as
well.
We
just
had
the
timing
thing
come
up
this
week,
so
we
didn't
have
time
to
do
the
adjustments
and
looking
forward
to
the
next
board
board
meeting
so
yeah
that
that
timing
had
been
pushed
back,
I
would
say
a
month
or
so
in
terms
of
what
was
indicated
on
there
before
I
invite
up
just
a
couple
of
council
related
issues
that
have
come
up
between
our
last
board
meetings.
A
Last
night
there
was
a
study
session
in
which
two
issues
that
were
addressed
by
Council,
that
has
OSP
potential
impacts.
One
was
looking
at
potential
use
options
for
the
whole
companion,
cost
property,
the
22
acre
site.
Next
to
these
bold,
a
rec
center
that
the
city
purchased
earlier
this
year,
council
is
interested
in
determining
what
potential
public
uses
could
happen
on
the
property.
It
was
determined
for
most
of
the
site,
especially
the
site
to
the
portion
of
the
property,
east
or
west
of
55th
Street.
A
That
further
analysis
needs
to
be
done
on
flood
mitigation
in
that
whole
area
before
they
want
to
determine
the
future.
Use
it's
possible
that
this
property
could
play
a
role
in
some
detention
in
the
future,
and
it
looks
like
some
analysis
over
the
next
few
months
will
begin
to
shed
some
light
on
that.
So
council
really
didn't
want
to
move
forward
with
any
recommendations
on
potential
use
for
the
lands
west
of
55th.
A
However,
they
did
provide
some
direction
that
east
of
55th
of
permanently
protecting
those
three
acres,
either
through
incorporation
into
the
open
space
system
or
possibly
through
a
conservation.
Easement
agreement
are
options.
They
want
us
to
explore
further.
So
that
means
we
have
to
figure
out
when
and
how
to
get
board
feedback
on
the
concept
of
incorporation
or,
if
OSP,
involvement
on
those
three
acres
and
so
we'll
have
to
figure
out
when
that
will
be
on
our
schedule.
A
Rather
than
later
it
was.
The
board
feedback
was
going
to
be
one
of
the
last
elements
of
this
year-long
process
and
the
suggestion
was,
let's
get
board
feedback
earlier
in
the
process.
So
again
we
don't
have
exact
timing
for
when
that
will
be,
but
just
an
FYI
that
the
need
for
board
input
was
definitely
part
of
the
conversation
last
night
so
and
one
other
just
a
tidbit.
A
We
successfully
closed
down
Boulder
Valley
farm
this
month
and
so
615
Acre
acquisitions.
So
we're
very
excited
that
that
three-year
project
is,
is
now
complete
and
we're
going
headfirst
into
immediate
property
needs
and
property
integration
type
of
process.
Now.
So
just
one
of
what
a
shout
out
to
our
real
estate
services
staff
and
Bethany
Collins,
in
particular,
for
leading
that
effort
and
with
now
that
will
go
into
the
formal
part
of
the
agenda
and
up
first,
when
invite
relevant
Athey
from
planning
and
sustainability.
H
So
last
time
I
came
to
see
you
back
in
February
I.
Give
you
an
update
on
what
we
were
to
kind
of
some
of
the
work
we're
doing
on
the
IPM
program,
including
the
update
to
the
policy,
pollinator
programs
and
then
I.
Let
you
know
that
we
were
starting
to
s
staff
to
work
on
an
update
to
the
mosquito
program.
So
we've
come
quite
a
ways
since
I
saw
I,
saw
you
last
so
I'm
here
to
tell
you
the
work
that
we're
doing
the
direction
we're
headed
and
to
get
your
feedback
about
that.
H
So
just
a
quick
review
of
the
mosquito
program.
It
was
first
before
we
didn't
have
a
mosquito
program
until
2003
and
what
the
the
impetus
that
could
cause
us
to
create
a
program
is
the
West
Nile
virus
epidemic,
which
was
heading
our
way,
heading
westward
from
the
East
Coast,
and
we
knew
that
was
coming.
So
the
city
created
a
plan
and
I
think
it's
important
when
we
talk
about
the
mosquito
plan
to
think
about
the
environment
at
the
time
the
context
of
why
it
was
created.
H
There
was
a
lot
of
fear
and
with
good
reason.
Colorado
was
when
we
did
have
it
show
up
in
2003
we
were
the
epicenter
of
the
whole
epidemic
nationwide
and
had
the
highest
number
of
cases.
So
people
were
really
afraid,
and
you
can
see
here
if
you
can
monitor,
you
might
be
able
seen
that
photo,
that
people
were
areally,
spraying
insecticides.
So
that's
a
watershed.
The
fossil
creek
watershed
being
sprayed,
and
we
were
under
a
lot
of
pressure
to
spray
here
at
the
city.
H
But
we
have
an
integrated
pest
management
policy
and
program
where
we
gather
information
about
the
target
organism
that
we're
trying
to
control
and
look
at
it
within
the
whole
context
of
the
ecosystem.
So
we
one
of
the
things
to
think
about
when
you
are
looking
at
a
pest
like
mosquito
or
a
target
like
mosquitoes,
is
that
there
were
control
agents
that
were
targeted
towards
every
part
of
the
lifecycle.
H
So
there
were
insecticides
being
sprayed
from
trucks
or
helicopters
for
the
adult
phase
oil
surface
soils
that
suffocate
the
pupae
and
the
larval
forms
regular
insecticides
like
organophosphates
pyrethroids,
that
people
are
using
in
water
to
control,
larvae
and
growth
regulators,
and
then
there
are
some
bacterial
larvicides.
Bt
is
the
one
that
is
used
for
mosquitoes
and
that's
what
the
city
settled
on
using.
We
didn't
use
any
of
those
other
products
because
they
had
so
many
impacts
to
the
overall
ecosystem.
H
So
since
there's
only
one
mosquito
contractor
at
that
time
and
again
now,
there's
only
one
and
it
didn't
really
fit
within
the
the
way
that
we
manage.
Our
properties
are
managed
pests
in
the
city,
so
my
predecessor
Alice,
got
rehired
of
a
biological
insulting
company
to
develop
our
program
and
understanding
that
the
ecology
and
the
behavior
of
the
target
is
really
important.
So
I'm
just
going
to
give
you
a
really
quick
recap
of
the
biology
of
the
two
main
groups
of
mosquitoes,
so
it
just
happens
that
the
vector
or
the
mosquitoes
they
have.
H
The
potential
to
transmit
disease
here
belong
to
this
group
of
mosquitoes
that
lay
their
eggs
on
water,
so
they
they
have
to
find
the
right
type
of
steel
water.
They
tend
to
like
really
polluted
highly
organic
organic
li
Laden
water.
So
they
lay
the
eggs
eggs
hatch,
go
through
the
lifecycle
and
emerge.
The
other
type
of
mosquitoes
are
the
floodwater
mosquitos
and
then
Colorado.
Those
are
all
non-vector
mosquitoes,
so
they
don't
transmit
disease
to
people.
And
those
are
you
know
the
nuisance
mosquito.
H
But
these
can
build
up,
so
these
eggs
can
last
for
long
periods
of
time
it's
kind
of
a
seed
bank
where
you
end
up
with
these
large
numbers
of
eggs,
building
up
and
that's
why
we
get
these
mass
emergences.
If
you
get
a
big
heavy
rain
and
you
get
enough
water
at
reconstitute
some,
you
get
like
a
synchronous,
emergence
and
here's
what
the
eggs
look
like.
H
So
you
can
see
they're
very,
very
different
than
the
other
types
of
eggs
that
are
laid
directly
on
water
and
the
adult
behaviors
vary
greatly
to
the
Culex
mosquitoes,
the
ones
that
lay
their
eggs
on
water
over
winter
as
adults,
the
the
common
ones
called
pipiens.
It's
called
the
house
mosquito,
whereas
obviously
the
ones
are
the
floodwater,
mosquitos
eggs
overwinter
and
they
travel
very
differently.
H
The
adults
travel
different
distances,
so
that
can
make
a
big
difference
in
when
we're
trying
to
manage
these
mosquitoes
and
their
behaviors,
because
the
keylex
tend
to
emerge
a
lot
in
cities,
and
so
people
taking
actions
and
their
own
properties
is
one
way
to
control
those.
But
mosquitoes
can
travel
different
ways.
You
know
a
lot
of
small
insects,
travel
high
in
the
atmosphere
like
white
flies
and
aphids
for
hundreds.
Sometimes
thousands
of
miles
and
mosquitoes
have
been
noted
to
travel
or
being
be
moved
up
to
a
few
hundred
miles.
H
Normally
they
travel,
they
can
choose
their
own
way
to
travel
too,
so
they
can
get
moved
by
wind
currents,
but
they
can
also
intentionally
move
or
nectar
sources
or
energy
for
themselves
or
finding
sites
to
lay
their
eggs
or
whatever
reasons
that
they
choose
one
host.
Whatever
reasons
are
choosing
to
travel,
so
it's
really
important
that
we
understand
all
those
pieces
of,
but
if
we're
going
to
manage
them
effectively
now
it
just
happens
at
these
keylex
mosquitoes,
the
ones
that
lay
their
eggs
and
water
a
little
different.
H
Now,
after
the
program
was
initially
developed,
we
added
a
nuisance
program
to
certain
areas
to
a
limited
number
of
areas,
but
our
program
is
really
based
on
just
controlling
those
Culex
mosquitoes.
So
we
have
all
the
sites
where
they
can
potentially
breed
mapped.
Those
technicians
go
out
every
week
and
check,
and-
and
that
is
the
basis
of
our
program.
The
other
piece
of
our
program
is
putting
adult
traps
up
on
the
grid
throughout
the
city
that
allows
us
to
know
where
they're
located
there
and
their
key
down
to
species.
H
So
we're
spending
a
fairly
significant
amount
and
I
just
want
you
to
keep
that
in
mind
as
we're
talking
about.
Maybe
can
we
use
these
resources
in
different
ways,
you'd
be
just
as
effective
but
maybe
reach
some
of
our
other
goals
as
well.
So
one
of
the
things
we
asked
when
we
started
looking
at
revising
the
program
is
what
has
changed
since
the
it
was
initially
developed
in
2003.
H
So
now
we
have
a
lot
of
data
about
mosquito
populations
in
the
area,
not
just
the
adult
data,
but
the
larval
data
too,
and
we
know
a
lot
more
about
West
Nile
risk
to
the
community
than
we
did
when
it
initially
arrived.
And
now
we
have
recent
studies
showing
significant
impacts
to
the
environment
from
the
use
of
BTI
and
what
kind
of
information
do
we
have
about
mosquitoes
where
we
well?
H
We
have
about
a
dozen
that
we
regulated
trap
species
that
we
regularly
trap
the
adults
here
in
Boulder
57
in
Colorado,
and
then
we
have
all
the
data
from
the
West
Nile
virus
testing
various.
You
know
not
just
cases
human
cases,
but
we
know
how
many
samples
of
mosquitoes
were
infected
and
we
have
the
vector
index
calculations
and
then
because
we
count
how
many
mosquitoes
we
sample
when,
where
the
larvae,
when
we're
out
they
have
a
text
out
in
the
field.
H
We
know
what
the
density
is
between
the
two
major
groups
of
the
flood
water
in
the
collects
mosquitoes.
So
this
graph
is
just
to
show
you
how
the
mosquito
populations
in
Boulder
pretty
much
follow,
what's
happening
regionally.
So
the
orange
bars
are
the
total
numbers
of
mosquitoes
throughout
the
entire
county.
So
that
includes
all
the
other
cities
as
well
as
incorporated
Boulder
County,
and
then
the
blue
line
is
the
average
trap
count
within
the
city,
so
you
can
see
as
a
rule
it
rule
of
thumb.
H
It
pretty
much
follows
what
happens
regardless
of
what
we
do.
So
if
mosquito
numbers
are
high,
it's
high
in
the
city
of
they're
low
they're
low
in
the
city
the
last
couple
of
years.
This
doesn't
have
2018
date
on
it
yet,
but
the
last
couple
of
years
we've
had
record-breaking
numbers
regionally
in
this
year.
We
did
again,
so
we
don't
know
why
that's
happening
but
we're
having
more
way
more
mosquitoes
and
we've
ever
had
before,
since
we've
been
measuring
them.
Uh-Huh.
H
Now
that
you
know
we'd
have
to
look
at
each
species,
but
at
the
most
of
them
well
bite
humans.
If
they
were
available,
no
a
lot
of
different
species
prefer
different
hosts
and
they
feed
on
all
different
kinds
of
hosts,
so
they
can
feed
on
birds,
reptiles
and
people
and
the
whole
range
of
blood
blood
host
hosts
for
blood,
so
yeah
I
mean
most
of
them
won't
bite
us.
H
So
this
is
2018
data.
These
are
the
average
trap
counts
throughout
the
city
and
the
red
denotes
helix
and
the
blue
or
the
floodwater
mosquitos
are
the
nuisance
mosquitos
and,
as
you
can
see,
it's
really
highly
variable
inside
the
city.
We
don't
have
very
high
numbers
for
the
most
part,
even
though
these
numbers
are
higher
than
normal.
You
get
to
the
edges
of
town,
particularly
the
southeast
edges
of
town.
We
have
large
numbers
of
nuisance,
whiskey,
those
coming
in
now,
Greenbelt
meadows
are
kind
of
like
the
highest
point.
H
H
The
trap
moved
a
little
bit
so
those
things
like
that
can
cause
a
difference
in
what
you
catch,
but
we
don't
know
we
are
assuming
a
lot
of
them
are
moving
in,
since
we
know
pretty
much
what's
happening
on
all
the
sites
that
we
own.
The
city
owns
around
that
area
and
some
of
these
mosquitoes
on
their
own
can
travel
like
up
to
25
miles.
H
So
this
new
paper
came
out
in
2016
where
they
looked
at
10
states
and
they
looked
at
Colorado
really
closely
to
say
what
are
the
drivers
that
caused
West
Nile
cases
and,
what's
going
to
happen
under
climate
change,
a
lot
of
people
have
assumed
that
climate
change
is
going
to
make
a
big
difference
for
West,
Nile
and
other
insect
borne
diseases,
but
what
they
found.
Those
are
really
two
things
that
are
driving
West
Nile
cases
here
in
Colorado.
H
One
is
human
immunity
and
the
reason
why
that
happens
is
that
80%
of
the
people
who
get
West
Nile
never
know
they
had
it,
but
they
go
on
to
develop
immunity,
and
so
we,
the
the
author's
think
that
we're
developing
a
whole
lot
more
immunity
than
you
would
think.
Just
based
on,
if
you
were
to
take
blood
samples
and
test
people
for
antibodies,
and
the
other
thing
is
drought.
So
when
you
have
these
really
drought
of
years,
you
have
fewer
sources
of
water.
H
You
wind
up
with
birds
there
who
are
the
main
host
for
West
Nile
mosquitoes,
and
it
brings
everybody
together
and
tends
to
cause
a
increase
in
the
cases
and
they
also
predicted
under
climate
you.
They
use
climate
models
to
predict
what
would
happen
under
extreme
climate
and
what
they
found
is
that
they
expect
us
to
stay
fairly
stable,
that
they
don't
think
we're
going
to
have
another
epidemic.
H
If
you
look
at
the
cases,
this
is
bold,
all
of
Boulder
County,
so
the
city's
not
pulled
out
of
that.
That's
all
of
us.
This
is
or
the
number
the
orange
bars
at
the
number
of
human
cases
over
the
years.
So
you
can
see
that
big
bar
in
2003
is
the
epidemic
year
and
it
dropped
significantly
the
next
year
and
the
stayed
pretty
low
since
and
they
predict
that
that
study
predicts
that
we're
going
to
stay
pretty
much
in
that
lower
range
and
the
numbers
on
top
of
the
bars
are
the
number
of
deaths.
H
So
you
can
see
in
our
big
year
worst
year
we
had
seven
people
die
most
years.
We
don't
have
anyone
die,
but
some
years
we
have
one
or
two
people
die,
so
people
are
still
getting
sick.
So
it's
something
that
we
need
to
keep
in
mind,
but
we
don't
expect
it
to
be
an
epidemic
again
and
that's
really
useful
information
as
we
determine
how
to
handle
treating
for
mosquitoes
and
then
the
other
thing.
H
So
the
BTI
is
one
of
the
the
BT
family
of
bacteria
and
there's
different
strains
that
are
targeted
towards
different
types
of
insects.
So
BTI
is
the
one
that
works
for
insect
mosquitoes,
so
it
kills
all
aquatic
fly
larvae.
So
in
in
these
wetland
ecosystems,
you
not
only
have
mosquitoes,
but
you
can
have
up
to
like
a
hundred
and
fifty
different
species
of
Chiron
Ambattur
non
biting
flies,
so
those
are
no
pest
to
us,
but
there
are
credibly
important
food
source
and
ecosystems.
H
They
also
compete
with
mosquitoes
to
keep
their
numbers
down,
because
they're
they're,
the
most
as
competitors
in
the
same
system
also
take
out
crane
flies
and
all
other
types
of
aquatic
flies,
and
these
some
of
the
really
troubling
new
studies
show
that
BTI
can
be
directly
two
tadpoles
which
are
already
at
risk.
There's
also
the
secondary
impacts
up
the
food
chain
that
we're
concerned
about.
H
So
here's
a
very
simplistic
aquatic
food
chain
wetland
food
chain,
but
at
the
very
bottom
you
know
we
have
bacteria,
protozoans
algae
and
plants
and
then
the
mosquitoes
Chiron
almonds
and
tadpoles
all
compete
against
each
other
for
the
some
of
those
resources
and
then
what's
really
and
its
really
can
be
quite
complicated,
because
some
of
those
Chiron
omelets
are
actually
predators
of
mosquitoes.
So
we
have
these
very
complex
food
chain
and
then
of
course,
a
lot
of
animals
depend
on
these,
these
primary
consumers
as
prey
items,
and
then
it
goes
on
up.
H
So
when
we
take
out
the
the
fly
larvae,
it
can
impact
the
water
quality,
because
you
have
you
changes
a
balance
of
algae
bacteria.
All
that
all
the
different
primary
can
do,
sir
z'
in
the
in
the
food
chain,
and
then,
of
course,
that
has
cascading
effects
up
the
food
chain.
So
here's
a
this.
This
figure
on
the
left
side
of
the
slide
is
showing
a
normal
intestine
out
of
a
tadpole
and
then
the
other
side
is
the
disruption
that
occurs
after
just
24
hours,
exposure
to
BTI.
H
So
you
can
see
that
it
can
have
some
pretty
significant
impacts
on
an
amphibian
larvae
and
then
some
in
some
of
the
of
things
like
some
animals,
like
birds,
will
feed
on
mosquitoes,
but
it's
more
likely
they'll
be
impacted
from
the
big
prey
items
like
dragonflies
declining
because
of
them
losing
prey
items
and
the
ecosystem.
So
these
really
can
be
fairly
significant
ecosystem
impacts.
H
So
as
we're
working
through
that
the
staff
team
is
working
through
our
recommendations
for
how
to
change
the
program,
we
really,
we
really
like
to
see
a
really
more
of
an
adaptive
management
plan
and
the
core
components
of
the
plan.
Revision
are
managing
mosquito
breeding
using
the
appropriate
techniques
and
depending
on
the
quality
of
that
site,
the
breeding
site
and
really
focusing
on
maintaining
enhancing
ecosystem
function.
H
Because
it's
these
mosquitoes
fly
in
that
we
have
no
control
about
these
mosquitoes
nuisance,
mosquitoes
that
there's
plenty
of
birds,
plenty
of
spiders
and
dragonflies
and
other
predators
of
adult
mosquitoes
that
can
help
keep
those
down
and
then
of
those
mosquitoes
lay
an
egg
and
in
an
area
where
we
have
a
lot
of
biodiversity,
it's
not
gonna.
Last
very
long,
it's
going
to
be
taken
out
so
we're
looking
at
really
enhancing
the
biodiversity
at
some
of
these
sites
and
using
less
BTI
to
do
that.
H
Another
we're
really
focusing
on
educating
training
and
building
awareness
to
among
both
the
public
and
their
staff,
so
we're
focusing
on
the
breeding
the
breeding
sites
and
mosquito
breeding
sites.
That's
really
the
most
significant
change
that
we're
proposing
to
the
plan,
so
there's
a
whole
range
of
different
types
of
breeding
sites
from
things
in
people's
yards
and
tires,
and
things
like
that
to
overflow
from
ditches
in
creeks,
and
then,
of
course,
there
are
highly
important
natural
sites
and
wetland
sites,
many
of
which
are
on
open
space
properties.
H
H
This
is
a
fairly
recent
nature
paper
that
talked
about
how
important
it
is
that
we
have
all
these
multiple
trophic
levels
in
order
to
keep
our
ecosystems
functioning
optimally
and
just
a
quick
reminder
that
we
really
are
in
a
biodiversity
crisis.
So
a
staff
we're
really
trying
to
keep
this
in
mind
in
all
of
our
management,
whether
we're
managing
properties
and
restoring
them
or
trying
to
manage
some
kind
of
pests.
H
Like
mosquitoes
that
we're
losing
biodiversity
at
a
alarming
rate
over
the
last
30
years,
we've
lost
about
45
percent
of
terrestrial
and
animal
and
projections
are
by
2020
that
we're
going
to
lose
2/3.
Those
those
trends
have
continued
of
loss
across
the
spectrum
all
across
the
world
and
and
of
course,
the
important
thing
is
that
mosquito
I
mean
what
wetlands
themselves
can
be
a
natural
control
for
mosquitoes,
and
this
is
actually
an
Indiana
state
of
Indiana
publication
where
they
are
building
wetlands
to
control
mosquitoes.
H
And
so
that's
one
thing
that
we'd
really
like
to
do
is
rely
more
on
these
natural
controls
for
mosquito
control.
So
staff
has
been
doing
some
getting
together
the
process
for
how
we're
going
to
designate
the
different
qualities
for
these
larval
breeding
sites,
and
then
in
your
packet
we
talked
about
some
of
the
different
treatment
options
that
we
can
have
for
each
of
them
and
that
you
know
that
would
depend
Dib
based
on
two
things:
the
quality
of
the
site
and
then
the
breeding
potential
for
mosquitoes
and
we're
developing
some
new
field
protocols.
H
So
we
one
of
the
things
you
really
want
to
focus
on
is
for
the
Culex.
Mosquitoes
which
are
the
ones
that
can
carry
disease.
Is
that
we
really
step
up
our
education
for
the
public
so
that
people
know
what
to
do
to
keep
mosquito
numbers
down
in
their
own
yards
or
decrease
breeding
sites,
and
people
really
take
responsibility
for
using
repellents
and
avoiding
mosquito
bites
when
they're
out
when
mosquitoes
are
active
and
then
we're
looking
at
training.
H
Our
crews
of
public
works,
crews
and
Parks
crews
to
be
able
to
find
notice
when
there
are
problems
of
standing
water
and
deal
with
it.
And
then
we
have
two
different
contractors:
consultants
that
we're
having
work
on
two
separate
protocols,
one
for
BTI
treatment
when
we
use
BT
on
another
for
looking
what
we
call
the
Eco
ecological
Tech's,
who
would
go
out
and
still
keep
track
of,
what's
happening
with
mosquitoes,
but
also
major
indicators
of
whether
there's
enough
biodiversity
in
those
sites
and
the
right
type
to
keep
to
naturally
control
mosquitoes.
H
And
then
we
can
use
that
information
to
make
more
visions
in
the
future
about
how
the
best
and
most
effectively
manage.
Mosquitos,
so
we're
in
the
process
of
completing
the
data
analysis
and
and
the
literature
reviews,
those
contractors
or
consultants
are
developing
the
field
protocols
and
then
we're,
and
then
we
have
staff
teams
working
on
different
parts,
irrigation
management
strategy,
urban
operations,
crew
training
and
the
education
components
and
we're
going
to
Council
on
November
8.
H
So
that's
why
we're
here
to
get
your
feedback
about
this
approach
that
we're
using
and
we'd
like
to
be
able
to
at
least
go
out
this
year.
This
neck
I
mean
next
year
for
an
RFP,
so
that
should
be
very
2019,
that's
18,
so
that
we
can
start
implementing
the
plan
this
next
upcoming
season.
So
the
question
for
you
is:
do
you
agree
with
a
recommendation
and
the
direction
that
we're
going
to
revise
the
program
so
we'd
like
to
get
feedback
from
you
that
can
help
guide
the
the
work
that
staffs
doing
right
now.
I
C
I
A
lot
of
good
information
in
there
I
think
is
really
really
helpful
and
informative
in
general.
I
think
this
is
a
great
idea,
moving
away
from
the
sort
of
get
knocks
out
everything
management
programs
where
you're
you're,
throwing
the
baby
out
with
the
bathwater
in
terms
of
your
wetland
management,
I,
think
moving
away
from
that
patterns
really
good.
I
also
think
that
the
idea
of
being
as
transparent
as
this
and
trying
to
help
people
understand
that
intercept,
wean
a
nuisance
mosquito
and
a
disease
vector
mosquito.
I
You
sort
of
emphasize
that
here
but
I
think
that's
a
really
good
emphasis
for
the
public
to
understand
as
well,
and
then
I
did
have
one
sort
of
question
comment
of
something.
So
I've
heard
a
lot
of
people
come
and
talk
to
me
about
this
personally
in
the
last
couple
years,
as
your
graph
showed
like
mosquitoes
are
crazy
and
they
all
want
to
know
what
what
can
be
done
and
I.
I
Just
like
apropos
of
this
heard,
this
great
NPR
report
about
an
experiment,
that's
going
on
where
they're
doing
mosquito
control
in
people's
yards
by
putting
out
these
traps
that
are
very
attractive
to
keylex.
Mosquitoes
they're
black,
and
so
they
they
prefer
the
traps
over
like
natural
water
areas,
and
if
you
put
a
certain
number
of
them
in
density
in
a
neighborhood,
it
produces
like
a
herd,
immunity
effect
where
so
many
mosquitoes
going
there.
They
can't
reproduce
in
a
whole.
I
Neighborhood
sees
a
great
drop-off
of
mosquitoes
and
I
know
that
you
know
that
might
be
a
next
step,
but
one
thing
I
think
people
are
feeling
is
that
they
are
not
empowered,
and
this
might
give
a
sense
of
like
you
want
to
do
something.
Your
neighborhood
could
all
team
up
to
do
this
and
will
like
subsidize
the
traps
or
whatever,
and
then
they
would
feel
empowered
to
control
mosquitoes
in
an
environmentally
safe
way,
and
also
it
would
mean,
like
you,
get
data
from
that.
I
J
Would
agree
when
you
read
through
this
I
think
the
public
will
get
the
impression
that
what
we're
gonna
do
is
less,
which
may
be
the
right
thing
to
do,
but
that
there
are
some
tools
that
we
use
to
use
that
we're
not
going
to
use
anymore
and
so
I
think
you're
right
Kevin
that
people
will
feel
well.
What
are
we
doing?
Why
are
we
doing
more,
so
I
have
a
few
questions.
J
How
does
this
compare
to
what
eastern
cities
are
doing?
Are
they
evolving
in
the
same
direction,
because
they're
farther
along
the
evolutionary
timescale
on
West
Nile
than
we
are
I
mean
they
went
through
their
peak
longer
ago?
How
does
this
match
up
with
what
other
cities
are
doing?
Do
we
know
I
mean.
H
Well,
like
I,
think
the
way
the
Indiana
is
approaching
it,
which
is
really
trying
to
encourage
their
local
governments
to
use
wetlands
as
mosquito
control
methods,
instead
of
treating
them
ya
know
shows
that
there
are
people
that
this
isn't
just
us
going
off
on
some
weird
direction,
and
we
are,
you
know
and
I
understand
what
you're
saying
where
it
looks
like
we're
doing
less,
but
we're
actually
doing
more
right
and
I
think
we
really
need
to
make
that
point.
We
get
that
point
across
that
we're
trying
to
do
something.
H
J
C
H
You
looked
at
it
and
he's
tested
it
all
summer
and
there
were
no
mosquitoes
present,
but
it
was
filled
with
predators.
I
think
if
we
get
people
to
understand
that
this
is
we're
not
gonna,
just
let
it
go,
we're
still
gonna
be
checking
all
these
sites
to
see
it.
They're
breeding,
we're
not
just
gonna,
say:
oh
we're
doing
nothing,
and
then
let
them
feel
like
they've
been
left
right.
J
J
H
Honey
has
a
completely
different
approach.
They,
you
know
remember
when
I
showed
you
the
life
cycle
at
the
beginning
of
the
slide,
they
use
every
single
product
they
spray,
they
spray,
insecticides
for
adult
mosquitoes,
not
even
Newson
I
mean
not
even
West
Nile.
They
just
spray
for
all
mosquitoes.
Once.
J
J
J
As
your
map
nicely
showed,
a
lot
of
our
mosquito
problems
are
on
the
eastern
periphery,
which
is
right,
the
board
over
the
county
and
so
you're
gonna
have
neighbors
that
are,
you
know,
experiencing
a
lot
of
things
being
done
with
mosquitos,
and
then
people
in
the
city
that
live
next
door
to
them.
Nothing
and
so
I,
don't
know
what
we
do
about
that.
H
H
You
live
out
in
certain
areas
where
there's
lots
of
ditches
and
creeks
and
well
in
farm
fields,
and
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
disruption
to
the
to
the
land.
You're
gonna
see
a
whole
lot
of
nuisance
mosquitoes
so
even
in
these
areas,
where
they
do
they
spray
and
do
every
single
thing
that
they
can
the
target
killing
mosquitoes.
We
still
see
super-high
trap
numbers
like
2500
and
right.
J
J
H
We
we
have
all
the
data
from
our
own
sites
because
we're
visiting
them
weekly,
so
we
have,
you
know
we
were
treating
with
BTI
all
around
there.
We've
utilities
went
out,
Public
Works
went
out
and
did
a
tremendous
amount
of
work.
Last
year
working
on
drainage
channels,
open
space
has
done
a
tremendous
amount
of
work,
grading
areas
doing
jit
maintenance,
I
mean
we.
H
G
G
H
Really
don't
know
what
it's
going
to
cost
at
this
point,
because
we're
still
developing
the
protocols
and
until
we
go
out
for
RFP
and
get
some
bids,
you
know
it's
it's
kind
of
tough
to
find
that
out.
I
think
for
the
we're
going
to
continue
doing
the
trapping
of
adult
mosquitoes
and
testing,
so
that
component
will
be
the
same,
but
the
mosquito
contractor
charges
so
much
for
overhead
and
they
say
there's
no
way
that
they
can
eliminate
that.
So
that's
like
one
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
for
that
alone
per
year.
H
That's
before
we
even
look
at
sending
texts
out
in
the
field
or
setting
up
traps,
so
we
don't
have
any
competition
right
now.
We've
got
one
company
because
the
company
that
we
initially
hired,
who
started
a
mosquito
program,
sold
that
program
to
this
new
company,
and
then
they
were
the
initial
company
that
was
in
business
when
we
started
our
program.
Colorado
mosquito
control
sold
their
business
to
this
one
company.
So
we
have
like
a
big
multinational
company.
Now,
that's
our
only
choice.
H
So
what
we
can
do
is
you
know
we're
looking
at
parsing
it
into
three
sections
like
the
adult
trapping
and
me
and
surveillance
section
is
one
one
component
of
the
RFP
one
would
be
the
BT
I
Tech's
to
go
out
and
do
the
stuff
that
we've
had
done
before.
But
you
know
the
staff
will
determine
which
sites
their
quality
will
be
treated
with
PGI
and
based
on
their
breeding
history,
and
then
we'll
have
those
ecological
texts.
So
we'll
have
three
components
and
it
may
come
in
much
less
that's.
H
Our
hope
is
that
it
will
cost
a
fraction
of
what
the
previous
program
cost
and
then
we
can
put
money
more
towards
public
education,
and
things
like
you
were
talking
about
putting
know
getting
people
to
do
things
in
their
yards
and
training.
Our
utility
staff
know
to
check
storm
drains
and
things
like
that
in
town,
sir
water
drains,
and
so
you
know,
there's
a
lot.
We
think
we
can
do,
but
we
don't
really
know
what
that's
gonna
look
like
until
we
start
looking
to
see
if
we
can
even
attract
contractors
to
bid
on
it.
So.
H
G
Other
question
is
whether
you
already
have
or
have
thought
about
having
some
kind
of
a
I.
Don't
know
what
to
call
it.
An
audit
program,
something
wary.
I
could
phone
the
city
and
say
they're
an
awful
lot
of
mosquitoes
in
my
neighborhood
this
month
and
somebody
come
out
and
do
a
check
of
the
neighborhood
and
see
if
you
can
find
things
that
we're
doing
wrong
around
here
or
is
there?
Is
that
kind
of
service
available
from
the
city
to
agent
way
or
there's.
H
Not,
but
that's
you
know,
yard
audits
are
one
of
the
ideas
that
we'd
like
to
offer
to
people.
So
if
we
had
the
funds
freed
where
we
could
have
people
trained
to
go
out
and
and
help
people
with
that,
that
would
be
great
right
now.
When
we
get
a
complaint
now
we
send
staff
out
immediately
if
it's
something
in
town,
where
there's
a
clogged
trash
crate
in
the
ditch.
You
know
that
happens
several
times
a
year.
Well,
we'll
send
the
staff
out
immediately.
You
usually
respond
the
same
day.
H
So
we
respond
to
things
like
that
or
people
see
standing
water
and
they're
concerned
it's
breeding
Wilson,
but
the
contractor
out
to
check
it.
But
it's
going
to
people's
yards
and
helping
a
people
within
a
neighborhood
to
see
if
they're
the
source
of
the
problem
we
we
don't
have
the
resources
to
do
that
right
now,
but
that's
something
we'd
like
to
incorporate
into
our
program.
B
You've
said
we
a
lot
I
just
want
to
be
clear
when
you
say
we
are
you
talking
about
the
city.
Are
you
just
trying
to
mean
open
space,
because
a
lot
of
what
you've
just
been
describing
to
me
is
not.
It
may
be
good
things,
but
they're,
not
open.
You
know
telling
someone
to
you
know,
keep
their
gutters
clean.
So
that's
obvious
in
an
open
space.
I'm
curious.
H
Well,
the
way
that
program
is
set
up
right
now,
almost
all
of
the
treatments
are
happening
on
open
space
properties.
You
know,
there's
some
Parks
properties
to
like
you
know
how
that
the
reservoir
and
cook
Lake
in
those
areas,
but
the
majority
of
the
of
the
program
money
is
going
towards
open
space
programs,
so
some
of
the
things
that
we're
looking
at
doing
and
moving
the
money
to
be
more
effective
at
overall
mosquito
control,
with
a
lot
of
that
whipping
and
education
component,
and
some
of
that
could
be
on
the
open
space
properties
too.
Right.
H
If
we
know
there
are
trails
like
Bobolink
that
have
our
South
Boulder
Creek
Trail,
where
we
have
a
mosquito
problems,
then
we
can
educate
people
about
that
and
provide
even
provide
repellents.
You
know
we've
done
that
in
the
past,
we've
done
that
recreational
facilities,
but
where
the
real
benefit
to
open
space
comes
from
is
with
these
with
designating
the
site
says
either
sites
that
are
poor
quality
that
we
treat
with
BTI
or
high
quality
sites
that
we're
trying
to
bolster
biodiversity.
H
That
could
make
a
huge
difference
for
the
system
and
we
put
we've
put
15,000
pounds
of
BTI
out
on
the
system,
and
so
that
has
impacts
on
you
know
the
objectives
and
goals
of
open
space,
and
so
that's
something
that
we
feel
like.
We
can
really
make
a
big
difference
or
we
might
actually
control
mosquitoes
better.
But
still
you
know
work
more
towards
the
management
goals
of
open
space.
J
H
It's
the
staff
team,
first
of
all,
there's
a
lot
of
open
space
ecologist.
So
we
have
you
know,
wetland,
ecologists
and
wildlife,
ecologists
and
the
AG
team,
so
we
have
everybody
working
together
and,
and
what
we're
doing
is
is
trying
to
pull
out
the
attributes
of
these
wetlands
that
are
important
towards
understanding
what
the
quality
is
and
once
we
have
those
ecological
texts
out
there
monitoring
the
biodiversity.
H
You
know
if
we
see
that
certain
sites
are
a
little
bit
lower
in
biodiversity
and
we
start
learning
what
the
attributes
are
associated
with
those
sites
at
higher
biodiversity.
That
can
help
us
manage
some
of
our
wetlands
better
and
we
might
find
that
like
there
was
a
study,
for
instance,
it
shows
that
planting
certain
types
of
reeds
along
ditch,
ditch
banks
can
provide
all
kinds
of
habitat
for
spiders
and
birds
that
will
feed
on
adult
mosquitoes,
and
so
there
I
think
there
are
things
we
can
do
with
a
bigger
holistic
view
of
our
entire
system.
H
J
K
L
Have
one
question,
as
usual,
my
esteemed
colleagues
have
covered
the
basis
pretty
well
in
the
mosquito
treatment
table
towards
the
end
you
get
into
different
things
that
are
associated
with
agriculture
lands
and
so
I
hadn't
really
thought
about
cattle
hoofprints
as
being
a
mosquito
breeding
site.
But
this
is
in
the
realm
of
possibility.
So
as
a
kind
of
a
first
pass
like
do,
we
have
a
sense
of
what
proportion
of
breeding
sites
on
OS
MP
lamps
are
on
AG
lands
versus
in
wetlands,
yeah.
H
It's
it's
a
real
mix.
Some
of
the
bigger
breeders
are
on
some
of
our
hay
fields.
Okay,
so
one
of
the
things
that
you
know
we've
been
discussing
with
andy
hillstrand
and
amy.
Well,
hi,
you
know
our
or
open-space
AG
people
is
how
we
can
potentially
not
bring
the
cattle
in
when
it's
wet.
So
we
could
wait
until
after
then
bring
them
in
before
we.
You
know
yeah
after
would
be
better
because
if
you
have
cattlemen
or
president,
even
if
we
don't
have
hoof
prints
that
enriches
the
water.
H
Now
it's
just
that
we
have
to
put
BTI
down
to
do
it
if
we
have
standing
water
in
the
fields
and
then
open
space
is
also
done
and
working
on
the
drainage
study,
not
just
for
the
fields
but
a
'grill
areas,
but
also
for
the
trails.
So
if
we
can
prevent
some
of
these
areas
with
depressions-
and
you
know,
then
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
mosquitoes
breeding
in
those
areas.
Yeah.
K
L
You
for
speaking
to
that
I
appreciate
it.
I
just
wanted
to
put
in
that
I'm
a
steadfast
user
of
The,
Inquirer,
Boulder,
app
and
I
went
and
looked
today
and
there's
no
explicit
menu
item
for
standing
water.
There's
of
course,
mosquitoes
and
there's
a
lot
of
different
things
associated
with
water.
But
it
might
be
another
way
to
empower
the
community
if
there's
just
explicitly
standing
water
and
you
can
report
a
puddle
or
something
like
that.
Yeah.
H
Especially
on
our
own
properties,
we
don't
have
an
ordinance,
so
people
have
standing
water
on
private
property,
there's
nothing
we
can
do,
but
we
could
still
provide
in
code
enforcement
with
educational
materials,
because
people
turn
in
their
neighbors
all
the
time
about
standing,
but
there's
really
nothing.
We
can
do
about
it
if
we
could
send
out
our
code
enforcement
officers
with
educational
materials
and
just
let
them
know
like
no
we're
not
going
to
take
any
enforcement
action.
H
L
H
C
B
B
Where
we're
you
know,
I
realized,
there's
a
theoretical
possibility.
There,
mosquitoes
could
fly
onto
open
space,
but
I
wouldn't
want
that
to
become
a
hundred
percent.
Our
issue
I
would
want
us
to
do
our
fair
share,
recognizing
that
you
know
mosquitoes
by
their
nature.
Travel
but,
on
the
other
hand,
I
wouldn't
want
mosquitoes
to
be
sort
of
thought
of
as
well.
This
is
all
on
on
the
open
space
time.
I,
don't
you
know
some
of
this
might
be
hard
to
sort
of
hack
up
and
allocate
fairly,
but
I
would
think
that
it's
important.
B
You
know
that
other
departments
who
all
you
know
Parks
and
Rec
and
others
who
benefit
from
this.
You
know
also
participate
fairly
and
I
have
presumed
they
are,
but
some
of
what
you
were
describing
made
it
sound
like
we
meaning
this
is
you
know
it's
our
responsibility
to
control
mosquitoes
citywide
and
if
that's
the
issue
that
I
guess
I
would
say,
I
don't
support.
You
know
a
citywide
mosquito
program
being
thought
of
solely
on
open
spaces.
Dime.
H
G
H
Me
so
there's
budget
and
planning
know
the
budget.
The
budget
action
comes
out
of
the
city
manager's
office,
so
it
comes
out
of
a
general
fund.
So
but,
but
you
know
it,
it
does
it's.
I
would
say
the
open
space
is
putting
a
lot
of
time
and
resources
into
management
outside
of
this.
The
money
that
we're
spending
directly
on
the
mosquito
contractor
with
staff,
time
and
resources.
You
know
out
managing
areas
for
mosquito
problems
and
new
staff
spending
a
significant
amount
of
time
on
it.
H
B
And
to
me
that,
should
that's
quite
fairly
on
our
my
senses,
that
Sun
should
be
it's
fairly
on
our
dime.
If
someone's
talking
about
doing
something
on
open
space,
you
know
with
frogs
or
whatever,
to
help
control
mosquitoes.
Well,
that's
logically
part
of
ours,
but
if
you're
talking
about
code
enforcement
people
going
out
to
people's
homes,
that's
not
there
shouldn't
be
on
our
dime
just
because
the
mosquito
might
bite
someone
on
open
space.
H
J
Think
you'll
get
questioned
some
counsel
about
how
you're
going
to
roll
this
out
of
the
public
and
I
I.
Don't
know
that
you're
gonna
have
those
materials
by
the
meeting
that
you're
talking
about,
but
I
think
that's
one
of
your
bigger
challenges
and
you
talked
about
it
I
think,
quite
honestly
that
there
are
a
lot
of
really
good
things
here,
but
they're
a
little
subtle
and
they're,
not
the
things
the
public
sees
directly
and
you
know
all
those
complications.
J
G
C
A
The
team
is
zero
way
that
we
could
bring
this
information
out
to
you
and
what
I
heard
was
is
we
would
love
to
do?
It
were
in
the
middle
of
a
lot
of
development
of
some
of
these
innovative
things,
and
so
they
really
sort
of
pushed
themselves
to
get
this
ready
for
you
tonight,
even
though,
ideally
I
think
they
would
have
preferred
a
few
more
months
of
work
on
it.
A
So
this
is
a
long-winded
way
of
just
me
personally,
extending
my
thanks
to
Chad
and
to
Jared
and
their
team
for
working,
probably
ahead
of
schedule
of
what
they
would
have
preferred,
but
I
know
that
they're
also
excited
to
to
bring
their
work
out
to
you,
because
we've
got
a
wonderful,
talented
team
and
it's
just
great
to
be
able
to
present
this
tonight.
So
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Gerry
Roberts.
Thank
you.
N
Dan
and
that's
very
correct-
we
are
excited
to
present
this,
but
we
also
felt
like
our
parents
showed
up
unannounced
and
we
were
throwing
things
in
the
closet
and
cleaning
up
real
quick.
So
you
get
a
real
view
of
what
the
trails
program
is
like.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
everyone
and
we're
really
excited
to
get
your
feedback
on
this
I'm
new
here
tonight.
N
To
talk
about
the
trails
program,
overview
and
I
just
want
to
kind
of
give
you
an
itinerary,
because
there's
a
lot
that
we're
gonna
go
through
a
real
lot
and
so
I
wanted
to
break
it
apart
into
some
digestible
pieces.
So
we're
gonna
start
with
just
some
introductions.
Then
talk
about
the
background
of
the
program
itself
and
then
I
want
to
take
a
pause
there
and
I.
Think
it's
really
important
that
we
pause
and
ask
questions
about
the
program.
N
It's
any
anything's
any
feedback,
anything
that
you
all
could
provide
for
us
on
just
the
overview
of
the
program
and
how
it
functions
and
then
we're
gonna
dive
a
little
more
deeply
into
a
couple
topics
specifically
trail
conditions
and
cost
estimates,
and
then
we'll
look
a
little
bit
forward.
We
want
to
look
what
we're
looking
going
forward
and
then
we're
also
going
to
pull
some
highlighted
projects
in
that
kind
of
tie.
Everything
together
at
the
end.
So
that's
kind
of
our
plan
to.
N
So
we'll
start
with
our
staff
in
our
system.
Real
quick
I
wanted
to
introduce
myself
to
all
of
you.
I
think
I've
met
many
of
you
off
and
on
in
different
places,
but
I
don't
think.
I've
actually
talked
about
my
background
and
where
I'm
coming
from
so
my
name
is
Jarret
Roberts
and
I'm.
The
visitor
infrastructure
supervisor,
with
open
space
in
mountain
parks,
I've
been
working
in
the
natural
resource
management
field
for
21
plus
years.
I
love
it.
O
Hello
and
I'm
Chad
Brotherton,
the
trails,
stewardship
supervisor
and
I've
been
doing
natural
resource
management
for
a
little
over
17
years,
I
started
as
an
AmeriCorps
student
Conservation
Association
intern
in
artists,
National
Park
trained
as
a
dry,
stonemason
trail
builder
and
couldn't
stop
doing.
It
definitely
fell
in
love
with
it.
I've
worked
on
trail
systems
in
Colorado,
California
and
Nevada,
and
Utah
and
Arizona
all
great
places
and
I've
worked
for
multiple
districts
for
the
u.s.
O
N
As
Chad
mentioned,
we
have
people
that
have
worked
for
Boulder,
County
and
all
over
the
country.
We've
worked
on
many
of
the
great
trails
that
you
know
of
the
Continental
Divide
Trail,
the
Pacific
Crest
Trail
at
the
Appalachian
Trail,
the
whole
enchilada,
Mount,
Whitney,
Trail,
and
just
all
kinds
of
the
major
trails
that
you
may
have
heard
of
across
the
country.
N
Just
to
kind
of
drive
this
home
a
little
bit.
This
is
our
org
chart
which
I
think
you're
pretty
familiar
with
I
highlighted
and
read
all
the
the
18
or
so
employees
that
are
the
full-time
staff
that
are
working
primarily
on
trails
and
I
started
going
through
and
highlighting
in
green
all
the
people
that
we
work
with
on
a
weekly
or
daily
basis,
where.
A
N
And
then
this
green
is
I
started
highway.
I
could
probably
highlight
everyone
that
we
work
with
on
a
weekly
basis
in
one
way
or
another.
The
people
in
green
are
people
that
we
work
with
pretty
regularly,
though,
and
I
wanted
to
point
out
too.
We
have
a
couple
Francis
and
Jake
are
here
and
they're
those
two
outliers
and
the
other
service
area
over
there
doing
a
lot
of
our
data
collection
and
a
huge
things
to
them.
N
So,
in
addition
to
having
a
large,
diverse
staff,
we
also
have
a
diverse
set
of
resources
that
we
use
to
tackle
these
trail
problems.
We
utilize
staff,
youth,
core
volunteers,
partnerships
with
agencies,
the
Junior,
Ranger
programs,
contractors
and
many
different
resources,
and
we
try
and
find
the
best
mix.
So
we
find
the
best
solution
for
the
best
problem
by
bringing
in
sometimes
contractors
we
get
so
skill
sets
we
don't
have
or
equipment.
We
don't
have
engaging
Junior
Rangers,
we're
empowering
the
next
generation
of
land
stewards.
N
Volunteers,
engage
our
community
and
being
part
of
the
solution,
and
then
our
staff
allow
us
to
build
that
internal
capacity,
which
is
really
important,
and
then
I
mentioned
we're
part
of
a
larger
Department.
So
we
as
much
as
we
call
yourself
the
trails
program.
We
are
here
for
the
mission
of
the
charter
of
open
space,
and
so
we
think
of
trails
largely
as
a
piece
of
the
puzzle.
It's
it's
an
ecological
solution
and
a
recreation
solution
at
the
same
time,
and
so
we
work
very
closely
with
our
restoration,
veg
management,
cultural
and
Water
Resources
groups.
N
And
then
we're
also
a
very
interdisciplinary
group,
so
there's
a
ton
of
collaboration,
as
I
mentioned,
with
ecological
and
cultural
staff.
We've
developed
some
amazing
best
management
practices
that
I
see
many
groups
across
the
country
actually
looking
and
adopting,
and
we
engaged
these
groups
through
all
all
phases
of
the
trail
process,
so
from
design
concept
to
planning
getting
out
on
the
ground
of
looking
at
flag
lines
through
the
whole
construction
process
through
post
construction
and
then
even
years
down
the
line
as
we
look
at
the
trails
and
manage
them.
N
This
is
one
example
here
this
is
the
Toby
homestead,
our
Toby
on
homestead
projects,
and
this
was
a
project
from
the
2015
flood,
and
so
you
can
see
from
the
upper
left
photo.
That's
that's
going
through
that
design
phase
all
the
way
down
to
the
construction,
and
then
I
just
wanted
to
remind
us
all
that
the
city
of
Boulder,
trail
system
and
even
the
city
of
all
their
ecosystem
is
part
of
a
bigger
system
across
the
the
state
to
the
country
even
the
globe.
N
This
is
a
really
cool
tool
that
just
came
out
from
the
Colorado
Parks
and
Wildlife,
and
it
shows
all
the
trails
across
all
of
Colorado,
which
is
pretty
cool.
We
can
zoom
in
and
look
even
a
little
closer
to
Boulder,
and
we
see
we're
kind
of
that
green
pocket
where
it
says
Boulder,
and
then
you
see
that
there
there's
this
whole
network
of
trails
beyond
just
Boulder
that
were
a
part
of
and
I
think
many
users,
don't
necessarily
think
of
our
visitors.
N
Don't
think
of
all
folders
trails
is
just
boulders
they're
connected
to
the
county
in
the
Forest
Service
Jefferson
County,
the
state
parks,
all
these
different
pieces,
I
think
in
total
I
was
just
I
had
a
couple
numbers
here.
They
have
about
17,000
trails
logged
for
about
30,000
miles
of
trail
and
they're.
Still,
they
think
they're
only
about
17
done
17
for
70%
capturing
all
the
different
trails
in
the
state,
which
is
pretty
cool.
N
N
So
our
current
trail
system,
150
miles
plus
that
plus
comes
from.
We
have
some
climbing
access
and
other
things
that
sometimes
aren't
always
shown
on
every
map.
So
that's
what
I
like
to
say
hundred
fifty
plus
miles
about
14,000
built
features
and
we'll
talk
about
a
lot
of
those
later
on
when
we
get
to
the
cost
estimation,
but
just
interesting
to
think
about
that
number
of
features,
and
then
I
wanted
to
put
some
bookends
I've
heard
a
couple
times.
The
undesignated
trail,
question
and
I
think
that
is
an
unbelievably
important
question
to
ask.
N
We
also
have
a
lot
of
data
coming
in
that's
being
processed
right
now,
and
some
systems
that
are
being
put
in
place
that
will
help
us
have
a
better
answer
and
better
understanding
of
that
by
April
of
next
year,
roughly
April,
so
we're
hoping
we
can
have
that
conversation
coming
up
but
wanted
to
prime
you
on
that.
So
as
a
system
I
think
to
build
on
the
the
visitation
survey
that
you
you
heard
a
couple
months
ago,
we
get
about
six
point:
two
three
million
visits
a
year.
N
But
trails
for
a
lot
of
us
are
the
way
that
people
connect
to
nature.
And
so,
if
we
want
to
inspire
the
next
generation
of
stewards
trails
are
one
way
to
do
that
over
150
miles.
We
have
about
thirty
point
two
that
are
accessible
accessible
trails
about
90
that
are
equestrian
and
forty-eight
authorized
motor
vehicle
and
fifty
for
biking
and
there's
some
overlap
there,
because
many
of
those
trails
are
multi-use.
O
Mount
Sanitas
hundred
in
17,000
Bobolink
trail
about
just
under
seventy
thousand
and
then
the
Sahil
just
to
kind
of
give
it
a
frame
of
reference
because
they're
not
all
that
busy
about
twenty
eight
twenty
one
thousand
just
under
visits
a
year.
So
in
comparison,
Rocky,
Mountain,
National,
Park,
4.4
million
visits
and
set
in
2017
and
arches
national
park,
1.5
million
visits
in
2017,
so
it
kind
of
gives
us
a
little
bit
of
a
perspective
and
I.
N
L
O
System
today,
and
so
we
have
clay
soils,
heavy
clay,
it's
an
incredible
challenge
that
we
have
a
lot
of
other
places
that
I've
worked
in
my
my
career
I
did
not
face
that
and
it
was
a
very
unique
challenge.
So
how
do
we
approach
it?
You
know
we.
We
have
a
couple
approaches
we
have,
as
most
of
you
know
the
the
muddy
trail
closures,
where
we
have
the
infrastructure
and
we
can
close
down
trails
when
they
are
wet
and
we
also
when
we
can
and
where
it
seems
appropriate.
We
use
alternative
surfaces.
O
So
the
Chautauqua
meadow
is
an
example,
some
of
the
stuff
out
east
in
ideal
situation.
Maybe
we
could
surface
a
lot
more,
but
it
is
it's
a
challenge
right,
and
we
also
recognize
that
there's
some
areas
that
we
do
not
have
the
infrastructure
currently
to
be
able
to
close
it
down,
and
we
haven't
surfaced
it,
and
maybe
we
won't
so
there's
also
that
element
of
some
of
it.
O
Another
one
is
our
legacy
trails,
so
we
have
some
trails.
This
is
the
the
Chautauqua,
the
amount
aqua.
Sorry
it's
the
Chautauqua
has
been
on
my
brain,
it's
the
Mount
Sunita's
trail
and
it's
an
adopted
alignment
and
it's
not
designed
to
any
standard.
It's
incredibly
steep,
you
know
25
percent
and
up
so
for
a
frame
of
reference.
A
a.da,
accessible
ramp
is
generally
five
percent.
A
target
for
sustainable
trail
is
about
eight
percent,
with
grade
reversals
and
drainage
and
so
25%
and
up
it's
an
incredible
challenge
just
to
think
about
keeping
that
on
the
hillside.
O
It
takes
a
lot
of
infrastructure
and
features
to
keep
it
there,
and
you
can
see
some
of
the
damage
on
the
mountain
use
trails
an
example
of
that
challenge,
but
we
also
recognize
it's
it's
a
unique
character
and
an
experience
that
that
is
important
to
our
trail
system
and
to
the
people.
You
know
the
city
and
our
visitors.
So
it's
it's
one
of
those
things
that
worship
we're
trying
to
balance.
O
So
we've
been
experimenting
and
using
alternative
cart,
refined
materials
in
the
Chautauqua
meadow,
so
we've
used
stabilized
crusher
fines
and
also,
on
the
main,
the
main
trail
material
called
stay
lock,
and
it's
a
really.
Why
should
talk
with
meadow?
Why
would
we
be
doing
trying
innovation
in
Chautauqua
meadow?
Why
would
we
be
experimenting
a
lot
of
ways?
We
didn't
really
feel
like.
We
had
much
of
a
choice
we
didn't
feel
like
we
had
the
tools
or
the
materials
that
would
actually
work
and
and
and
do
what
we
needed
it
to
do.
O
So
we
have
done
incredible.
We
started
in
2014
using
stabilized
crusher
finds
out
there
and
we've
done
incredible
amounts
of
research.
We've
been
contacting
people
all
over
the
southwest,
mainly
but
also
nationally.
We've
talked
to
all
sorts
of
manufacturers,
all
sorts
of
trail
program
managers,
resource
managers
and
even
pulled
in
geotech
engineers.
O
On
some
of
this
to
help
us,
through
this
process
of
learning
and
seeing
you
know
trying
to
make
the
best
decisions
that
we
can
and
we've
also
there's
been
some
lessons
learned
some
of
the
the
meadow
trail
bass
line
trail
with
the
stabilized
crusher
finds
we
didn't
get
it
alright.
We
learned
that
we
needed
a
better
drainage
and
you
see
the
the
the
lower
picture.
We
added
some
additional
drainage
and
infrastructure,
but
now
we're
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
to
do
it,
a
little
more
efficient
and
a
little
a
little
cheaper.
O
So
they
get
the
same
outcomes
but
a
little
bit
a
little
more
efficient.
So
we're
still
learning
we've
learned
a
lot,
but
we're
it's.
It's
we're
continuing
to
learn
on
that
another
one
is
dry,
stone
masonry,
so
been
up.
Mountain
eNOS,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
rock
work.
Trail
work
requires
a
lot
of
rock
work
generally
and
we're
lucky
to
have
some
stone,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we're
looking
at
is
to
get
better
at
it.
O
So
in
November
this
year,
we're
actually
bringing
in
for
testing
and
training,
we're
bringing
in
a
master
craftsman,
and
so
it's
associated
with
he's
associated
with
the
the
stone
trust
and
the
dry
stone.
Walling
Association
of
Great,
Britain
and
part
of
that
is
we're
gonna,
be
learning
international
standards
and
practices,
and
also
looking
for
improvements
on
safety
and
efficiency.
So
that's
that's
up
and
coming
and.
L
O
O
We've
also
gone
out
and
we've
been
learning
a
lot
from
other
agencies
and
I
mentioned
a
lot
of
phone
calls
a
lot
of
research,
but
we've
also
there's
been
some
some
effort
to
pinpoint
areas
that
have
interests
and
really
reach
out
to
them
and
in
and
learn
so.
We've
we've
focused
on
volunteer
program
and
engagement
and
Lake
Tahoe
Basin
management
unit,
Forest
Service.
O
We
also
accessible
trails,
went
to
the
the
National
ability
center
and
also
we're
studying
directional
bike
trails
in
basin
recreation
in
Park,
City
Utah,
and
we
were
studying
operations
and
having
conversations
with
Jefferson
County
and
also
managing
high
use
parks
at
the
in
the
Red
Rocks
area
in
Denver
mountain
parks.
So
we've
really
been
reaching
out
to
two
organizations
that
are
having
similar
challenges
and
trying
to
learn
from
them
and
also
what's
working
for
them.
What
what's
not
working
for
them?
It's
been
incredibly
helpful.
J
I
have
a
question:
that's
a
small
thing,
but
we
often
refer
to
rebuilding
trails
to
make
them
more
sustainable
without
disturbing
the
desired
experience
and
I
can't
think
of
a
trail
I've
been
on
where
I
thought.
Oh,
this
is
ruining
my
experience
because
I'm
not
walking
in
mud
or
something
like
that
I
mean
I'm
guessing
we
don't
often
really
constrain
the
methods
we
would
use
because
they
might
hurt
the
experience.
I
mean
what
what
do
you
guys
think
about
when
you
it's
sort
of
an
old
chestnut,
that's
been
around
for
a
long
time
and
I.
N
I
hear
that
what
I
think
of
is
there
a
lot
of
places?
I
grew
up
around
here
and
there
are
places
where
you
can
run
up
a
hill
and
when
it's
ten
people
that
do
it
a
year,
there's
not
a
big
impact
right.
But
then
you,
you
start
to
grow
Sanitas
to
something
where
there's
you
know
thousands
of
people,
hundreds
of
thousands
of
people
using
it
and
you
you
can't
sustain
that
same
experience
and
so
I
think
there
are
some
some
groups
and
some
visitors
that
would
like
a
very
steep
straight
up.
J
I
N
It's
a
great
idea.
We
we
haven't
consolidated
that
in
that
way,
I
would
say
the
way
that
people
would
find
it
is
Chad
myself
and
other
people
that
have
been
on
the
master
plan
team
through
these
experiences
have
added
suggestions
to
the
snapshots
and
the
the
upcoming
I
guess
pieces
that
we're
gonna
get
feedback
on
so
rather
than
see
it
in
one
spot.
I
B
This
is
just
a
quick
comment:
cuz,
it's
a
comparison.
That's
made
a
lot
and
it's
one
that
I
think
dramatically
understates.
How
much
usage
we
get.
Is
that
my
guess
and
if
I'm
wrong,
please
tell
me,
is
that
Rocky
Mountain
National
Park
counts
anyone
who
drives
through
the
entrance
gate.
We
would
never
count
someone
I,
don't
think
who
just
drives
up
Flagstaff
and
route
to
something.
B
You
know
wherever
they're
ever
they're
headed
yeah,
we
and
if
you
were
to
recalibrate
to
the
statistics,
so
that
you're
really
talking
about
people
who
are
out
on
the
trail
for
any
meaningful
distance,
not
just
to
get
ten
feet
off
the
road
to
watch
the
bighorn
sheep,
but
people
who
are
really
out
on
the
system.
My
guess
is
the
comparison
between
Rocky,
Mountain,
National
Park
and
our
system
would
be
much
much
more
dramatic,
so
just
I
think
the
four
point,
four
to
six
point:
two
five
makes
it
sound
like
now
we're
a
little
bit
bigger.
L
Had
one
question:
on
page
three,
there
was
the
statement
along
lines
of
what's
the
preserve
and
protect
natural
environment.
Oh
SNP
spends
more
time
and
money
than
most
agencies
to
minimize
impacts
during
design,
construction
and
maintenance
of
trails.
Does
this
mean
that
compared
to
jeffco
or
Boulder
County
that
we
do
a
lot
more
hand
building
and
a
lot
more
Rock
work?
Yeah.
N
I
think
that
statement
was
made
based
on
our
staffs
professional
experience,
working
other
and
many
other
agencies
that
we
spend
a
lot
more
time.
Collaborating
with
resource
staff
I
see,
is
what
that's
getting
at
and
I
think
that
that
has
a
great
effect
on
our
system
in
terms
of
protecting
resources.
N
We
were
just
on
in
Park
City
of
that
example
up
there
and
they
go
out
with
the
resource
staff
and
look
at
a
general
area
and
get
a
green
light
and
then
just
go
build
a
trail
wherever
they
want,
which
is
much
different
than
here,
where
we're
taking
care
of
each
like
individual
foot.
In
some
cases,
okay,.
N
So
some
trail
condition
background
real
quick.
This
is
a
fun
photo.
This
is
from
Cottontail
and
this
is
from
a
washout.
This
year
we
had
a
couple
big
rain
events.
I,
don't
know
if
people
remember
in
the
spring,
one
was
about
two
inches
and
one
was
about
four
inches.
One
of
those
was
really
interesting.
It
was
actually
a
lot
of
hail
and
so
the
hail
fell,
which
was
great
and
then
it
warmed
up
and
it
all
melted,
and
so
we
got
these
big
drainage
events,
but
just
only
thing
condition.
N
That's
kind
of
a
fun
damage
to
keep
in
the
back
here
mind
before
we
jump
into
this.
The
one
thing
I
really
want
to
drive
home
is
that
people
love
ome
trails,
and
we
continually
see
this
in
all
the
surveys
and
so
we're
gonna
talk
a
lot
about
conditions
and
some
of
the
conditions
are
not
going
to
be
great.
Some
of
the
trails
that
have
poor
conditions
are
people's
favorite
trails
and
that's.
N
Okay,
so
we're
not
talking
about
the
visitor
experience
here
as
much
as
we're
talking
about
the
the
physical
infrastructure
and
our
ability
in
cost
and
time
to
maintain
it
if
that
makes
sense
so
I,
just
what
I
don't
want
to
do
is
have
everyone
leave
here
and
think?
Oh,
my
gosh,
some
of
our
trails
are
the
worst
trails
ever
physically.
They
might
be,
but
they
also
might
be
some
of
the
best
experiences
in
the
world.
N
N
The
basic
idea
is
that
you
have
a
designed
use
for
every
trail,
and
this
designed
use
is
what
you
construct
the
trail
for
and
the
primary
use,
and
then
you
can
have
other
managed
uses.
So,
for
instance,
you
could
have
a
an
authorized
motor
vehicle
trail
where
the
primary
function
is
to
make
sure
that
we
allow
a
motor
vehicle
use,
whether
it's
for
staff
or
for
repairs
or
maintenance.
N
But
then
you
might
change
it
a
little
bit
and
make
the
surface
a
crusher
find,
which
is
a
smoother
surface,
which
would
then
also
allow
accessible
use,
so
the
secondary
use
would
be
accessible.
In
that
case,
all
of
our
trails
are
managed
for
hiking,
so
hikers
are
allowed
on
all
the
trails,
and
then
we
talked
about
I
mentioned
some
numbers
earlier
and
I'll
get
to
them
a
little
bit
later
on
what
different
pieces
we
have
for
the
different
user
groups.
N
So
we
have
this
hiking
biking,
equestrian,
authorized
motor
vehicle
and
accessible
trails,
the
five
different
categories,
and
then
each
of
those
has
a
class
and
the
class
ranges
from
one
to
five,
one
being
more
primitive
and
five
being
more
developed
and
that's
kind
of
the
way
we
think
of
it.
So
if
you
compare
like
a
hiking
one
trail
to
a
hiking
five
trail,
you're
gonna
see
some
differences
as
you
get
to
the
five.
It's
probably
gonna
have
a
wider
width.
The
the
grade
is
probably
not
gonna,
be
as
steep
things
like
that.
N
Any
questions
about
that
real,
quick,
that's
and
it's
a
big
one.
Each
one
make
sure
we
cover
it
correctly
cool.
So
then,
on
our
trail
system,
we
have
built
features.
So
these
are
all
the
actual
structures
that
we
we
put
into
the
ground
where
we
bring
in
materials
to
create,
or
we,
we
harvest
natural
materials
and
make
we've
got
18
different,
build
features
that
we
track
and
then
a
couple
of
these
have
different
categories
like
they're
made
of
different
materials,
and
we
track
them
slightly
differently.
N
So
you
can
see
that
there's
a
wood
and
a
stone
back
wall.
We
do
that
because
there's
a
slight
difference
in
the
cost
that
we'll
get
to
later
on,
just
to
give
it's
really
hard
to
take
pictures
of
some
of
these
features.
But
these
are
both
water
bars
that
you
can
kind
of
see
we're
both
we're.
Looking
down
the
trail
on
both
of
these
and
you
can
see,
the
general
purpose
is
to
push
water
off
the
trail,
the
one
on
the
right,
it's
a
little
tough
to
see,
but
it's
actually
rock
reinforced.
N
So
you
see
those
rocks
in
there,
the
idea
being
as
water
rushes
down
it
gets
pushed
off.
Hikers
keep
going
and
you
want
to
keep
people
on
the
trail
and
water
off
the
one
on
the
left
is
more
of
a
natural
one.
I
think
there
might
be
a
rock
at
the
top,
but
it's
not
Rock.
All
the
way
across
another
example
would
be
a
check
step.
So
these
are
two
drawings
of
check
steps.
N
N
So
we
went
out
and
we
measured
the
condition
on
all
14,000
built
features
on
our
system,
which
was
quite
a
process
that
took
about
five
years.
It
was
mostly
shaken
Francis,
walking
out
there.
I
was
jealous
of
their
job
to
be
out
hiking
the
trail
and
doing
this
unless
it
was
raining
and
miserable,
and
so
then
we
gave
each
feature
all
14,000
of
them.
One
of
these
different
conditions,
ranging
from
routine
maintenance
to
repair
replacing
kind
decommission
expansion,
alter
function,
install
new,
so
routine
maintenance
means
it's
functioning
as
as
expected.
N
So
if
we
go
back
to
that
water
bar
example,
a
routine
maintenance
water
bar,
it
might
have
a
little
built
up
sediment,
but
it's
still
gonna
push
water
off
the
trail.
That's
the
general
as
soon
as
we
start
to
get
into
the
repair,
it's
where
it's
not
functioning
anymore,
so
that
water
bars
filled
up
with
sediment
and
how
water
is
either
flowing
down
the
trail
or
around,
or
something
like
that.
Replacing
cotton
is
when
we
would
need
to
potentially
remove
the
entire
structure
rebuild
it.
Something
like
that.
N
We
see
that
a
lot
potentially
with
walls
that
are
collapsing
and
things
like
that
decommission.
Sometimes
we
put
too
many
water
bars
in
and
we
decided.
We
don't
need
that
many,
so
we
could
remove
one
if
we
needed
and
then
expansion,
maybe
the
water
bar
is
not
big
enough.
We
need
to
make
it
a
little
bit
bigger,
alter
function.
We
don't
have
many
of
those
in
the
system,
but
maybe
it
was
a
rock
wall
and
now
we're
gonna
use
it
as
a
switchback
or
something
like
that.
So
that
would
be
that
and
then
install
new.
N
So
to
summarize
a
couple
just
to
give
you
an
idea,
we
can
look
at
this
water
bar
and
check
steps
again
so
water
bars
on
the
left
there
we
see
that
80%
of
our
water
bars
and
routine
maintenance
date.
That's
great.
We
only
have,
but
when
you
present
in
repair
state,
so
we're
doing
pretty
good
in
the
water
bar
world,
the
check
step,
condition
again:
80%
routine
maintenance,
only
13%
repair
and
usually
just
a
couple
of
decommissions
and
replacing
kind.
So
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
that
can.
B
N
E
N
Yep,
so
we
would
put
that
into
a
repair
or
replace
and
just
double
checking,
because
I
wasn't
out
there
with
the
wheel.
So
so
then
we
went
out
and
we
worked
with
a
couple
experts.
We
actually
hired
a
consultant
that
had
worked
for
Jefferson
County
for
many
many
years
to
look
at
the
cost,
the
cost
of
bringing
all
the
the
structures
that
were
not
in
routine
maintenance
up
to
routine
maintenance
standards,
and
so
we
went
through
and
we
we
did
this
and
we
thought
it
was
prudent
to
use
the
TM
O's.
N
So
if
you
think
back
to
the
TM
O's
hiking
one
trail,
imagine
the
width
on
that
is
typically
much
narrower
than
a
hiking
five
trail
right
and
so
thinking
of
building
or
repairing
a
water
bar
and
hiking
one
versus
a
hiking
five
there's
there's
a
big
cost
difference
there.
So
we
looked
at
every
condition
and
then
we
factored
that
out
by
TMO
and
then
we
factored
it
out
by
the
different
assets,
and
that
gave
us
all
these
numbers.
We
stumbled
that
up
and
we
figured
that
the
routine
maintenance
on
our
features
was
about
72,000.
N
So
not
that
much
and
part
of
that's
because
you
think
of
those
water
parts
that
are
functioning
well,
you're,
really
just
walking
by
real
quick,
scraping
out
some
minimal
sediment
and
moving
on
if
a
rock
wall
is
functioning
well,
there's
not
much!
You
need
to
do
with
it.
You
just
need
to
give
it
an
inspection
every
once
in
a
while.
So
we
think
the
routine
maintenance
on
the
structures
we
have
is
not
that
much
to
bring
the
the
features
that
are
out
of
compliance
up
to
compliance.
N
We
estimated
to
be
about
three
hundred
four
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
dollars
so
a
little
bit
more,
but
still
not
horrible
in
terms
of
members,
and
that
would
see
is
that
would
be
going
out
and
taking
that
water
brother,
it's
completely
full
clearing
it
out.
Taking
a
rock
wall,
that's
missing
a
couple
rocks
falling
down
or
plate,
replacing
the
check,
steps
that
are
undercut
all
those
pieces
in.
N
You
could
break
it
down
in
different
ways:
I
guess
it's
it's
a
balance,
the
more
you
can.
If
you
can
hit
that
routine
maintenance
more
regularly.
You
get
less
things
that
drop
into
a
repair
state,
so
you
could
have
different
philosophies.
You
could
stretch
it
out,
try
and
do
it
less
frequently,
but
then
you're
gonna
see
more
failure.
Yeah.
N
It's
a
really
tricky
question,
because
this
is
the
kind
of
a
summation
like
the
way
we
look
at
this.
It's
a
candidates
like
an
overall
summary,
so
it
would
really
depend
on
the
individual
structure,
the
TMO
that
the
specific
trail,
the
steepness,
the
soil,
the
weather
that
year
there's
there's
a
lot
of
factors
that
says
I,
guess
a
really
hard
question.
N
And
I
would
say
in
general
because
we're
doing
the
cyclic
maintenance
twice
a
year
now
we
think
we're
getting
to
the
general
maintenance
of
the
things
that
are
functioning
I.
Think
what
we
see
a
lot
on
the
trail
are
the
things
that
are
not
functioning.
So
we
see
the
check
step,
that's
starting
to
be
undercut
and
continues
to
get
more
and
more
undercut
it's
actually
in
a
repair
state
and
we're
not
getting
to
it.
That
I
think
is
the
bigger
issue.
Okay,
I
want.
J
N
Then
the
the
cost
would
reduce
significantly
because
we'd
get
to
a
more
routine
maintenance,
so
we
would
take
twenty
two
thousand
run
yeah.
The
seventy
two
would
probably
go
up
a
little,
because
we
have
more
things
that
we
need
to
routinely
maintained,
but
we
would
be
saving
that
three
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
kind
of
makes
sense.
It
does.
Okay,
okay,.
N
Then
the
other
caveat
that
I
would
give
is
there
are
some
limitations
to
the
the
amount
of
work
that
you
can
do
and
things
list.
So,
if
a
good
chunk
of
that
four
hundred
twenty
thousand
dollars
is
rockwork
and
we
only
have
a
dozen
really
skilled
Rock
workers.
They
can
only
do
so
much
work
a
year.
Things
like
that,
but
there
are
ways
to
supplement
that
that
we'll
talk
about
great
questions.
N
N
So
we
have
what
we're
calling
trail
sections
and,
within
the
trail,
section
I'm
thinking
of
a
trail
section
as
a
contiguous
section
of
trail.
That
has
very
similar
conditions.
If
that
makes
sense,
as
soon
as
the
great
starts
changing
or
gets
a
little
more
out,
sloped
we've
put
a
stop
there
and
we'd
start
a
new
section
or
station
cool.
N
For
each
section.
We
looked
at
a
bunch
of
different
factors.
We
actually
clicked
that
on
about
15
different
factors,
we
used
only
8
of
them
for
this,
the
summary
because
things
started
to
get
pretty
redundant
so
for
design
compliance
indicators.
We
looked
at
great
braiding
without
slope
and
then
for
trail
impact
indicators.
We
looked
at
soil,
lost,
surface
firmness,
presence
of
mud
and
overgrown
vegetation.
When
the
way
this
is
collected,
it's
pretty
cool.
N
So
a
couple
quick
examples:
this
is
erosion
or
soil
loss
on
our
system,
and
we
see
that
in
the
the
blue,
we
have
mild
damage
in
the
pink
we
have
moderate
and
in
the
red
we
have
severe
and
then
there's
some
black
and
that's
where
there's
no
measurable
erosion-
and
this
is
just
a
snapshot,
not
the
entire
system.
Just
to
give
you
an
idea.
N
Similarly,
we
looked
at
grade
and
grade
as
compared
to
compliance.
So
again,
each
TMO
is
gonna
have
an
ideal
grade
and
we
look
at
how
how
out
of
compliance
a
section
of
trail
is
with
that
that
ideal
grade
and
we
rank
this
from
in
different
percentages
from
0
to
5.
5
to
10
11
to
15
I'm,
all
the
way
up
to
21
plus
percent
out
of
compliance
with
grade.
N
So
then
we
take
all
of
all
those
different
8
factors
that
I
mentioned,
and
we
run
them
through
an
algorithm
that
we
put
together
to
give
us
for
each
foot
of
trail
an
index
score
basically
and
on
the
left
there.
You
see
a
detailed
condition
summary
so
that
breaks
down
each
section
or
foot
of
trail
into
a
condition,
and
we
put
we
rank
those
conditions
into
urgent
repairs,
preventive
and
cyclic
maintenance,
so
urgent,
being
read,
preventive,
being
yellow
and
stick
like
a
routine
being
green.
N
So
this
is
the
fern
canyon
trail
as
an
example,
and
then
one
more
is
the
the
high
plains
trail
and
one
thing
you
might
notice
about
the
high
plains
trail
I
think
we
had
some
some
people
mentioned
earlier.
We've
done
a
project
out
there,
so
this
data
was
collected
between
2015
and
2017,
so
we
did
projects
in
2017
and
2018
out
there
and
those
are
not
showing
up
in
here.
N
N
So
just
some
examples,
because
I
think
it's
good
to
to
not
think
of
a
red
line
but
think
of
what
it
actually
looks
like
in
the
real
world.
These
are
our
major
repair
examples,
so
we
have
one
from
fern,
canyon
and
saddlerock,
so
you
can
see
that
they
for
multiple
reasons,
they're
seeing
a
lot
of
erosion,
there's
galine
they're
out
of
compliance,
probably
for
width
and
grade,
and
that's
what
would
make
these
trails
in
that
red
or
a
major
major
repair
category.
N
These
would
be
a
preventative
maintenance,
so
we're
starting
to
see
some
of
those
bigger
issues.
But
these
are
not
not
quite
as
bad
as
the
red
ones
are
the
major
repairs.
So
we
have
bear
Canyon
and
bear
peak
here
and
I
guess
when
we
start
to
get
put
to
preventative
the
the
key
differentiating
factor.
There
is
again
it's
not
functioning
as
expected.
That's
the
the
big
thing!
So
it's
it's
not
just
needing
routine
maintenance
and
needs
a
little
bit
more
than
that
and
then
routine
maintenance
examples.
N
N
B
N
N
Yep
there's
some
other
new
ones
here
right,
so
we
talked
about
a
lot
like
say
you
have
a
trail,
that's
incomplete
repair
maintenance,
but
then
you
have
a
sinkhole
that
drops
down
200
feet
in
the
middle
of
it.
That
trail
is
is
still
probably
overall
green,
but
it's
not
passable.
So
there
are
some
nuances
here
where
a
section
of
red
can
really
detriment
an
entire
trail.
N
So
then,
similarly
to
the
built
features.
We
we
ran
this
through
again
looking
at
TMO,
so
we
could
account
for
a
lot
of
the
different
condition
differences.
So
the
width
and
the
steepness,
and
things
like
that
and
we're
in
again
that
the
green,
yellow
red
different
trails
through
hiking
1,
2,
3,
4
5,
and
we
based
this
on
projects
that
we've
done
over
the
last
four
or
five
years
is
where
we
got
a
lot
of
our
linear
foot.
Estimates
for
what
trails
might
might
cost
to
repair
and
rebuild
to
be
transparent.
N
N
So
when
we
we
run
that
through
our
system,
we
get
about
1.2
to
1.6
and
routine
maintenance.
So
that's
just
keeping
the
tread
that
we
have
in
that
routine
maintenance.
A
little
D
berming
things
like
that,
removing
vegetation
we
get
about
21
to
28
million
and
preventive.
So
those
are
the
medium-sized,
it's
not
functioning,
but
it's
not
falling
off
the
mountain
yet
and
then
13
to
18
million
in
major
repairs,
rebuilds
and
those
could
be
rerouted
to
rebuilds
in
place.
Things
like
that.
N
A
couple
challenges
and
limitations
I
just
wanted
to
point
out,
as
we
think
about
this
resource
availability.
So
again,
Curt
you
mentioned
cutting
a
check
for
four
hundred
thousand
dollars,
cutting
a
check
for
$40,000
forty
million
dollars.
There
are
limitations
to
the
number
of
resource
staff,
the
number
of
trail
staff,
so
you
couldn't
get
it
all
done
in
one
day
one
year
if
it
does
have
to
be
phased
or
spread
out,
cost
changed.
This
was
a
big
one
to
me.
N
So
if
we
think
of
concrete
just
since
the
flood
in
2013
concrete
and
the
Front
Range
is
almost
double
in
price,
if
that
trend
continues
with
some
other
materials,
we
might
see.
These
costs
also
increase
the
system
we
build
is
kind
of
fun.
We
can
actually
go
in
and
change
the
cost
of
a
sigma
six
by
six
lumber
and
we'll
go
through
the
whole
thing.
So
we
can
track
that
and
look
at
that,
but
it
is
something
to
consider
as
we
we
think
of
time
going
out
changing
uses,
something
to
think
about
as
well.
N
N
We
talked
about
with
the
data
collection,
so
it's
impressive
that
we
were
able
to
collect
this
data
in
five
years,
but
it
was
between
2015
and
2017,
most
of
it
we're
switching
that
we'll
talk
about
I'll,
give
you
a
sneak
peak
where
we're
gonna
switch
to
where
we
do
a
fifth
of
the
system
every
year,
and
that
will
give
us
at
least
some
fresh
data
every
year.
We're
pretty
excited
about
that
then
just
some
other
cost
to
consider
with
the
program.
So
we
have
emerging
projects,
and
these
are
projects
that
show
up
every
year.
N
That
Cottontail
of
project
at
the
very
beginning
is
an
example
of
this.
We
get
a
big
weather
event.
It
causes
some
damage.
We
had
got
and
fix
that,
and
it
never
even
shows
up
in
any
of
the
condition
data,
but
it
did
have
a
cost
to
us,
we're
estimating
that
to
be
68
thousand
a
year
and
that's
based
on
the
last
couple
of
years
and
how
much
crew
time
we've
spent
on
it.
A
lot
of
that
comes
in
through
CRMs
inspections,
bike
patrols,
things
like
that.
There's
also
an
overhead
cost
to
this.
N
So
we
think,
oh,
if
we
could
quadruple
the
size
of
the
trails
program,
could
we
get
this
done
faster?
You
need
a
building
to
put
people
in.
You
need
vehicles,
you
need
tools,
you
need
admin
support.
You
need
resource
support,
so
I
just
I
want
to
caution
that
there
there
is
some
bottleneck
or
some
limited
resource
there-
bridges.
We
actually
didn't
include
in
this,
because
they're
they're
kind
of
their
own
animal.
So
that
is
an
important
one
and
one
that
does
have
a
big
cost.
N
Bridges
are
kind
of
looked
at
a
little
bit
differently
and
it's
something
we're
working
on
coming
up
with
estimates
for,
but
aren't
there
yet
there's
invasive
species
management
management,
which
is
something
that
the
trails
program
is
working
to
improve.
We
think
we
do
a
pretty
good
job,
but
we
always
think
there's
there's
room
to
improve
that
and
that
does
have
a
cost
associated
and
then
I
mentioned
collaboration
with
other
groups.
So
you
know,
as
you
grow
the
trails
per,
if
you
were
to
think
of
growing
a
trails
program.
N
So
what's
next
I
mentioned
that
we're
looking
at
different
ways
to
think
about
this
one
is
we
have
this
asset
management
program
called
beehive
coming
online
trails
is
set
to
launch,
hopefully
this
winter.
One
thing
we're
excited
about
this:
is
it
would
track
each
of
those
assets
and
our
trails
in
a
real-time
environment,
and
it
would
allow
our
crews
to
actually
help
with
the
data
collection,
so
one
major
upgrade
we're
seeing
from
this
is
right
now,
instead
of
having
a
couple,
people
do
the
condition
collection,
at
least
for
the
assets.
N
We
could
actually
have
our
trail
crews
do
that
which
would
make
things
much
faster,
exactly
Curt
on
the
phones
and
then
this
is
all
based
on
summary
data
right,
which
is
great.
We
can
kind
of
get
rough
ideas
with
the
asset
management
program.
We
can
start
to
build
out
prescriptions,
and
so
we
can
have
a
more
accurate
estimate
of
what
it
might
cost
to
bring
our
system
up
to
a
condition.
We
were
looking
for
we're
continuing
to
look
for
innovations.
N
The
things
like
stay
lock
that
that
Chad
mentioned
or
stabilized
crusher
finds
those
can
change,
cost
and
make
things
cheaper
or
more
expensive.
I
mentioned
undesignated
trail
management.
We're
really
excited
the
trails
program,
made
a
big
commitment
last
year
to
devote
resources
to
managing
on
designated
trails
in
coordination
with
our
resource
staff.
We
hope
to
continue
to
figure
out
systems
and
ways
to
manage
our
undesignated
trails
and
then
thinking
about
the
life
cycle
of
a
lot
of
our
trails.
N
So
Chad
mentioned
our
our
soils
eventually
a
lot
of
our
soils
wash
out
or
their
clay
and
they
get
muddy
impact
diamonds.
We
need
to
think
about
resurfacing.
A
trail
does
have
a
life
cycle,
so
it
does
need
to
be
either
resurfaced
or
replaced
at
some
point
and
I
think
that's
all
I
have
for
that
and
then
Chad
was
gonna
run
us
through
just
a
couple
highlights
of
some
some
projects
and
I.
O
Hello
again
so
before
I
jump
into
some
projects
and
some
of
the
highlights
of
this
season,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
all
our
partners,
all
our
volunteers,
every
single
one
of
them.
It's
pretty
amazing,
to
have
the
support
and
to
get
people
on
the
ground.
Helping
on
all
these
projects
and
I
also
want
to
mention
that
you
know
we
have
a
limited
amount
of
time,
I'm
sure,
there's
some
questions.
O
O
So
one
of
the
big
things
we
were
talking
about
routine
maintenance,
cyclic
maintenance,
we've
made
a
shift
so
beginning
in
fall.
2017
we're
committed
now
to
you,
know
twice
a
year,
maintenance
sweeps.
So
what
that
means
is
our
crews
go
out
and
they
basically
sweep
the
entire
system
and
they're
doing
routine
maintenance
and
part
of
that
is
they're
cleaning
all
the
drainages.
The
focus
is
clean
drainage
and
light
maintenance.
Maybe
a
little
bit
of
clearing
and
things
like
that.
O
But
a
big
part
of
it
is
the
inspection,
so
we're
getting
eyes
on
the
entire
system,
we're
looking
for
rates
of
change
and
we're
looking
for
basically
what
that
does
it.
It
produces
a
list
of
spot
projects
and
areas
where
we
need
to
really
focus
our
energy
when
things
are
really
changing
out
there.
So
we
kind
of
mix
that
into
our
work
plan
and
then
in
the
spring
we
had
the
American
conservation
experience,
Conservation
Corps
crew,
that
I've
worked
on
mounts
aeneas
when
they
came
in.
O
Another
project,
the
Chautauqua
trail
blue
by
Blue,
Bell
beared
restoration
project.
So
you
know
for
these
projects
I'm
going
to
kind
of
put
the
TMO
in
there
just
to
kind
of
start.
Thinking
like
what
trails
are,
what
right?
Where
does
it
fall?
So
the
TMO
is
for
the
Chautauqua
Trail
in
Bluebell
Baird,
our
class
3
and
class
4
equestrian,
and
so
that
project.
Why
do
we
do
it?
O
So
repairs
were
called
for
in
the
West
trail
study
area,
so
that
was
part
of
it,
but
also
you
can
see
the
picture
on
the
lower
right,
how
bad
it
was
getting,
and
it
was
one
of
those
problem
spots
that
just
kept
getting
worse.
So
we
we
decided
to
prioritize
it
this
season
and
it
was
a
combination
of
a
volunteer
project
with
ABC
kids,
climbing
climbing
gym
Appaji
kids
camp.
O
We
also
had
Junior
Rangers
and
staff
on
that,
and
also
a
little
bit
of
support
and
right
in
there,
but
a
little
bit
of
support
from
our
restoration
staff.
Also,
we
constructed
230
linear
feet
of
buck
and
rail
fence
and
restored
20
2500
square
feet
of
undies
a
trail
and
impacted
area
ripping
that
and
putting
down
erosion
netting.
We
found
we're
finding
that
putting
down
erosion
netting
is
actually
really
effective
for
keeping
helping
keep
people
off
of
it
and
keeping
moisture
in
so
that
vegetation
can
grow
back.
O
We
also
planted
30
ponderosa,
pines
and
junipers
to
try
to
fill
that
space
so
in
a
little
bit
another
project
Green
Mountain,
West,
Ridge,
reroute,
and
so
for
reference
again,
the
TMO.
It's
a
class-3
hiker
trail
and
the
why,
behind
this
one,
it
was
called
for
in
the
West
trail
study
area
plan
as
a
reroute,
it
improves
trail
sustainability
and
experience,
and
also
this
one
was
selected
so
in
the
West
GSA.
This
was
a
medium
priority.
O
You
know
that
it
was
called
for
as
a
medium
priority,
but
it
was
one
of
those
things
where
we
were
trying
to
balance
the
the
workload
of
our
department
and
balanced
the
limited
resources
for
staff.
So
there
wasn't
as
much
of
a
challenge
with
sensitive
habitat.
Wasn't
in
a
wetland
or
anything
like
that,
so
we
thought
it
was
a
little
bit
lighter
of
a
lift
or
take
some
that
pressure
off.
O
Our
research
staff
was
one
of
the
considerations
when
we
brought
this
one
forward
so
where
I
was
kind
of
considering
that
when
we
bring
them
forward,
this
was
staff
we,
how
youth
core
was
there
Junior
Rangers?
It
was
a
big
lift.
It
was
a
big
project
as
we're
getting
close
to
wrapping
it
up.
Also
multiple
volunteer
events.
O
We
had
NetApp
Leave
No
Trace,
we
hosted
National
Trails
Day
and
National
Public
Lands
Day
events
out
there
and
it's
about
a
mile
and
a
half
reroute
and
something
I
didn't
mention
on
the
the
other
one
or
the
last
slide,
so
that
condition
the
the
green.
It's
really
hard
to
see.
I
apologize
for
that,
but
the
the
condition
detail,
condition
survey
data
is
on
that.
So
this
this
trail
was
in
the
red
and
yellow
conditions.
O
So
I'll
try
to
point
that
out
as
I
moved
through
the
next
slides
third
third
flat
iron
climbing
access.
This
is
a
TMO
class
one
hiking.
The
Y
here
was
more
sustainable,
climbing
access
and
also
we
had
strong
partnership
partner
support
on
this
one
which
you
know
allowed
us
to
be
able
to
get
resources
out
there
on
the
ground.
So
Front,
Range,
climbing
stewards
and
end
volunteers
did
most
of
the
work
on
this.
O
N
N
N
O
It
was
mentioned
earlier,
High,
Plains,
reroute,
so
the
so.
This
is
a
class
three
biking
trail
and
if
you
look
at
the
detail,
condition
survey
put
a
little
circle
around
where
the
reroute
was
this
year
and
then
also,
if
you
look
up
kind
of
a
little
more
into
the
center,
that
was
the
last
year's
reroute.
So
we've
done
a
bit
of
work
on
that
in
both
those
areas
that
we
rerouted
were
actually
red
and
the
one
this
year
were
able
to
pull
it
out
of
a
wetland
was
which
was
really
exciting.
O
So
we
worship,
we
shifted
it
out
of
a
wetland,
improved
trails,
sustainability
and
visitor
experience,
and
also
had
strong
partner
support
on
this
one.
So
we
were
able
to
get
resources
on
the
ground.
So
this
one
was
partnering
with
Boulder
mountain
bike,
Alliance
and
also
we
had
staff
out
there
and
constructed
820
linear
feet
and
restored
680
linear
feet.
O
O
It's
in
that
plan
as
repair
and
also
we
were
getting
really
concerned
about
the
rate
of
change
up
there.
The
trail
was
starting
to
fall
apart.
People
are
starting
to
it's,
starting
to
widen,
impacts
are
widening
and
it
was
something
that
would
really
we
needed
to
prioritize
and
that's
why
we
we
started
on
that.
The
American
conservation
experience
crew
was
there
for
this
season,
and
then
we
also
had
one
of
our
crews
out
there
for
a
while,
we
reconstructed
180
linear
feet
of
tread
and
restored
1350
feet
of
undesignated
trail
in
that
area.
O
O
Foothills
South
trail,
so
this
is
a
class
three
authorized
motor
vehicle
trail
or
in
the
Wunderland
area,
and
so
the
wide.
This
is
actually
one
of
the
the
final
flood
projects.
This
was
a
contracted
project,
so
approximately
3,200
feet
repaired
of
trail,
and
this
was
one
of
those.
This
instance
is
kind
of
like
what
jarrett
was
mentioning.
Where
you
know
it's
a
it's
a
authorized
motor
vehicle
trail,
but
there's
all
those
other
uses
right,
and
so
we
were
able
to
change
the
the
surfacing
to
Crusher
find
material
which
is
much
better
for
for
accessibility.
O
G
N
Yeah
and
Andrea,
to
get
back
to
your
question,
because
I
I've
asked
a
very
similar
question
about
TM
O's.
So,
typically,
we
think
of
we
try
and
separate
the
TMO
from
the
construction.
So
we
think
about
what
experience
and
what
we
want
to
manage
for
and
then
we
build
to
it
versus
adjusting
the
TM
Oda
to
meet
any
changes
we
make.
If
that
makes
sense,
I
think.
L
N
B
You
clarify
what
the
policy
is
on
when
to
put
down
whether
it's
crusher
fines
or
some
other
sort
of
gravel
to
address
what
are
often
mud
problems
mean
to
me.
You
know
the
biggest
source
of
trail
widening
in
our
systems.
Each
trail
has
its
own
dynamic,
so
one
of
the
biggest
and
probably
the
biggest
month
is
people
just
going
around
mud
and
then
the
trail
becomes.
You
know.
The
each
section
of
the
Eagle
trail
is
an
example
of
the
trail.
It's
getting
very
wide.
B
It's
also
very
muddy
and
I'm
wondering
what
is
your
sort
of
policy
on
when
to
just
say
you
know
we
need
to
do
what
we've
done
on
quite
a
few
trails.
You
just
bring
a
lot
of
truckloads
of
some
sort
of
material.
You
know
so
that
the
water
actually
flows
off
the
trail
rather
than
into
the
center
of
it.
So.
O
So
I
would
say
that
is
one
of
the
questions
we're
asking
on
every
project
that
we
do
it's
pretty
much.
Our
soils
are
better
once
you
get
it
from
like
the
mesa
trail
west,
as
you
get
a
little
higher
in
our
system
and
into
the
trees,
it's
a
little
better,
but
anything
from
the
Mesa
trail
east.
Is
that
clay
soil
so
we're
considering
that
on
every
project
and
some
of
it
is
you
know
the
feasibility
of
actually
getting
the
material.
There
can
be
incredibly
challenging.
B
A
While
they're
pausing,
the
other
suggestion,
I
mean
the
other
consideration
for
costs,
is
upfront
cost
versus.
If
we
put
a
material
in,
is
there
savings
over
the
lifetime
of
the
trail
itself
by
having
a
more
sustainable
trail
and
what
that
savings
would
be
so
two
different
costs
sort
of
things
to
think
about
right
so
to.
N
Answer
that
question
it
partially
depends
on
the
alignment.
So
you
look
at
like
the
Cottontail
trail,
crusher,
fine,
which
is
great,
but
it
would
ended
up
washing
out.
So
then
you
have
to
replace
that
so
there's
a
higher
cost,
potentially
by
having
surfacing
so
getting
a
sustainable
alignment
or
reducing
grade,
sometimes
is
a
better
answer
and
then
the
crusher
financier
I,
trying
I'm
hesitant
to
throw
an
executive
Reggie
has
one.
P
N
So
about
$22
a
ton
and
then
it
would
depend
on
the
width
of
your
trail
and
you
typically
go
about
four
inches
deep
I
know
when
we
were
working
at
the
nonprofit.
We
were
looking
at
seven
to
eight
dollars,
a
linear
foot
roughly
for
a
four
foot
wide
trail,
but
that's
a
pretty
rough
number
and
it
really
depends
on
okay.
B
I
N
J
Think
there's
other
benefits
to
of
hardening
these
trails.
The
experience
I
think
of
as
many
years
ago
when
we
were
thinning
trees
on
China
Han,
the
company
that
took
care
of
it
or
we
at
our
cost
of
put
down
road
base
after
that
was
done
and
it
created
it
all-weather
trail
and
then
people
when
it
was
really
sloppy
could
go
there
instead
of
making
all
the
other
trails
braided.
So
adding.
G
C
K
I
I
I
N
Of
this
is
based
off
of
the
pavement
index
that
the
city
has
the
pavement
condition
index
I've,
never
na
and
I
hope
someone
up
there
hears
this
and
comes
and
finds
me
I've,
never
seen
it
applied
to
a
trail
system
in
the
same
way,
but
we're
really
excited
about
that.
So
our
hope
is
eventually.
We
might
have
something
like
this,
where
we
set
an
index
score
and
we
try
to
achieve
it
similar
to
the
way
they
have
so
the
the
pavement
index
has
they
set
their
target
at
75
for
average,
but
they
also
provide
individual.
N
N
We
realized
that
we
hadn't
presented
the
condition
index
stuff
to
everyone,
so
we
tried
to
give
enough
of
an
overview
to
understand
it,
but
not
dive
so
deep
into
it
that
it's
its
own
thing,
but
that
is
one
of
the
goals
at
some
point,
is-
is
to
present
that
either
as
its
own
thing
or
publicly
or
something
like
that
awesome.
But.
L
N
N
Right
now,
it's
from
the
wheels
that
still
going
out
with
Francis
and
take,
but
it
is
some
of
it
will
be
transferred
over
to
the
maintenance
runs
which
will
make
it
more
readily
available
if
it's
red
condition,
because
that's
that
really
fancy
wheel
that
will
still
be
will
get
a
fifth
of
the
system.
Every
year
is
our
hope
right
now,
which
is
better
than
than
what
we
were
getting,
but
that
will
still
be
there.
There'll
be
some
lag
there
potentially.
J
Before
the
meeting
I
was
raving
about
the
West
Ridge
reroute
and
I
have
to
do
that
publicly,
because
it's
running
is
just
absolutely
stunning
and
I
mean
everything
from
the
alignment
that
was
chosen
to
maximize
views
and
to
get
you
away
from
the
roads
up
there
and
everything
else
and
staying
away
from
all
the
decomposing
granite
layers
and
I
mean
it
is
a
piece
of
art
but
engineering,
art
and
biological
art
and
ecological
art
and
everything
else
anyway.
So
brilliant
work
way
to
go.
Yeah.
L
So
I'm
a
data,
scientist
and
I
just
I'm
so
excited
to
see
such
a
data-driven
approach
and
asset
management
and
I
just
applaud
all
the
work
you
guys
have
done
and
I
think
it's
gonna
really
pay
dividends
in
the
long
term
management
of
this
system.
So
thank
you
before
I
was
on
OS
VT
I
got
to
serve
on
the
transportation
advisory
board
and
so
I
very
well.
Remember
the
concepts
of
pavement
condition
index
and
things
like
that.
L
B
L
Streets
and
so
I
am
so
grateful
that
you're
putting
those
tools
into
our
hands
so
that
we
can
start
those
discussions
as
a
community
because
that's
going
to
be
really
important
and
I'm
sorry,
we
took
the
open
space
tax.
Increment
gave
it
a
transportation
because
we're
gonna
need
it.
Aren't
we
yeah
yeah
yeah
have
a
lot
more
questions,
but
let
some
other
people
go
first
I.
G
P
P
So
we
have
just
finished
a
two-year
process
of
mapping
all
of
them
designated
trails
in
our
system
and
are
in
the
process
of
analysis.
For
that.
So
we
I
think
staff
perceptions
is
that
we
had
a
lot
more
mileage
than
the
last
time.
We
mapped
them
and
that
isn't
showing
to
be
true.
So
far
we
have
about
the
same,
but
the
amount
in
different
areas
has
been
changing.
So
we
will
present
results
for
that
by
April
next
year
and
the.
G
P
P
C
B
P
N
And
I
think
part
of
the
reason
we
think
about
it.
That
way
is
we
consider
that,
when
there's
parallel
trails,
we
consider
that
the
trail
of
not
functioning
as
it
should
not
in
an
offshoot
of
the
trail
going
somewhere
else.
So
don't
press
that
problem,
we
should
fix
the
trail,
not
close
a
trail
that
has
a
completely
different
purpose
and
that
that's
just
the
way
we've
thought
about
that.
We
could
get
that
number.
G
So
when
you
guys
talk
with
Andy
and
the
AG
crew,
what
do
you
say
to
each
other
about
all
these
cow
trails,
because
I
have
come
in
here?
The
open
space
Board
of
Trustees
over
the
last
10
years
at
various
times
and
said?
Look
you
just
built
a
new
trail
through
here
and
now
we
have
all
these
social
trails
and
staff
comes
back
and
says
not
to
worry
it's
just
cows.
N
O
Q
But
I
think
it
is
something
we've
been
taking
a
look
at
through
the
TSA
process,
in
other
ways
to
say
again,
where's
the
overlap
between
how
we're
managing
the
use
of
certain
areas
for
grazing,
but
also,
if
we're
going
in
there.
You
know
there
might
be
ways
we
manage
the
water
supplies
differently
that,
because
that
may
be
creating
trails
and
then
how
does
that
overlay
with
how
we
know
people
are
using
that
area?
Q
Can
we
create
some
separation
and
manage
those
be
careful
around
the
time
of
year,
so
I
think
we're
it's
something
we're
continually
working
on.
We
take
a
look
at
it
when
we
get
to
look
at
the
planning
of
an
area,
it's
one
of
those
things
we're
trying
to
overlay.
Where
can
we
be
most
effective
with
managing
the
human
created
trails
and
there
are
other
tools
to
manage
the
other?
If
we
need
to
agriculturally
created
you're
gonna
go
away,
deer
gonna
go,
you
know
we
may
not
need
to
deal
with
the
wildlife.
Q
P
L
I
had
a
question
related
to
muddy
trails,
which
dovetails
with
as
even
thicker
any
during
the
presentation.
So
to
date
it
seems
like
we
only
closed
trails
in
kind
of
the
Flatirons
vista,
Marshall,
Mesa
area
and
I.
Don't
even
know
where
I
heard
this
from
but
I
was
told
at
some
point
the
past.
That's
because
we
can
actually
shut
the
gates
and
a
few
defined
locations,
and
that's
why
we're
able
to
do
money
trail
conclusion
closures
in
those
areas.
O
Yep,
it
is
accurate.
It's
where
you
know.
I
was
talking
a
little
bit
about
that
in
the
in
the
slide,
where
it's
it's,
where
we
have
the
infrastructure
and
we
can
close
it
down
effectively
and
one
of
the
big
challenges
with
our
system
is
some
areas
of
our
system
are
so
porous
that
it
would
be
virtually
impossible
to
close
it
down
when
it
when
it's
muddy.
It
would
be
an
incredible
challenge.
So
in
a
lot
of
ways
that
gets
into
like
you
know,
when
do
we
surface?
Oh,
we
can't
can't
quite
close
it
down.
O
So
what
maybe
we
surface
it
as
an
alternative
to
that
you
know,
and
then
it
allows
that
opportunity
when
it's
wet
out
there
too,
and
then
just
to
kind
of
add
on
that
when
we're
looking
at
new
trails-
and
you
know
redeveloping
other
areas,
you
know
we
have
to
kind
of
play
that
out
and
you
know
Canada
be
surfaced.
Should
it
be
serviced
or
can
we
put
in
the
infrastructure?
Where
is
the
infrastructure
there
that
we
can
actually
be
effective
in
closing
it
for
money
trails?
L
I
L
It
will
be
impossible
to
enact
money
trails
closures,
I
really
liked
current
statement
of
like
we
should
give
people
a
place
to
go,
that
hardened
infrastructure,
that
they're
gonna
go
out
and
hike
year-round
on
muddy
trails
or
what
could
potentially
be
money
trails
so
at
least
give
them
a
loop
or
you
have
a
stacked,
a
loop.
You
know
a
place
to
go
and.
O
Something
something
to
add
to
it
too,
so
we've
also
been
looking
at
areas
that
we
do
close
down.
We've
been
trying
to
pick
out
the
spots
that
remain
muddy
longer,
and
you
know
the
remaining
areas
that
don't
dry
out
and
we've
been
trying
to
harden
those
surface
those
areas.
So
we
can
try
to
shorten
our
turnaround
time
on
the
muddy
trails.
You
know
it's
it's
a
work
in
progress.
We've
done
some
some
work
with
volunteers
on
the
the
Doughty
draw
trail,
because
that's
that's
one
of
the
ones.
O
I
Sort
of
Andrea
reignited
ignant
my
fires
about
this
I've
long
heard
the
same
feedback
of
like
it's
too
porous
and
I
continually
say,
say
it's
closed,
anyways
and
you'll
block
50%
of
the
people.
If
you
close
the
entrance
to
Chautauqua
and
you
put
it
on
Twitter,
you
put
it
on
your
website,
you
put
on
Facebook
and
if
we
see
a
50%
reduction
of
impact,
that's
a
big
reduction.
If
it's
not
10%
reduction
impact.
I
Given
the
effort
that's
involved
of
a
social
media
post
and
somewhere,
someone
who's
actually
talked
about
going
out
and
putting
something
over
a
gate
there.
That's
huge
I,
see
no
reason
not
to
do
that
and
then,
once
while
you
send
a
Ranger
out
there
and
be
like
sorry,
today's
not
your
lucky
day,
you're
walking
on
a
closed
trail,
150
dollar,
fine.
That
seems
like
a
really
reasonable
thing
to
do.
To
look
at
these
more
porous
areas,
and
especially
since
so
much
of
the
porosity
or
social
trails,
illegal
trails,
trails,
people
shouldn't
be
on.
I
N
Think
we
are
looking
at
potential.
There
is
the
the
poorest
piece.
One
challenge
we
have
there's
is
staff
limitation.
It
takes
us
I,
think
a
day,
five
or
six
five
to
six
hours
to
implement
a
muddy
trail
closure
right
now
and
so
and
that's
with
a
non-porous
system.
So
you
start
looking
at
adding
like
10
15
different
spots
and
you're,
adding
another
day
and
a
half
or
so
just
to
implement
it.
And
then
the
other
thing
that
we're
being
very
careful
about
is.
N
We
have
actually
pretty
high
compliance
from
what
we
find
compared
to
most
other
systems,
and
so
we
don't
want
to
dilute
that
so
that
50
percent
may
sound
good.
But
if
that
starts
spreading
to
the
rest
of
the
system
there,
there
may
be
a
detriment.
That
being
said,
I
do
think
we
do
want
to
look
at
areas
where
we
could
get
more
money,
trail
closures
or
areas
where
we
may
want
to
experiment
with
that
absolutely
kind.
J
I
N
B
It
was
like
I
won't
forget
this,
you
know
it's
get
off
the
thing,
but
it
did
make
me
wonder
it
was
a
pretty
stark
contrast.
You
know
between
you
know
what
was
actually
a
pretty
good
experience.
It
was
suddenly
an
awful
experience
and
it
wasn't
closed.
There
are
other
people
on
it
who
I
think
we're
probably
causing
a
fair
amount
of
impact
riding
through
such
a
mighty
system,
but
it
struck
me
that
it
either
that
should
have
been
closed
or
the
physical
tread
should
have
been
different,
but
it
seemed
like
the
way
it
actually
was.
B
N
I
would
agree,
and
that's
one
of
the
challenges
of
co-managing,
with
Boulder
County
out
there
we're
thinking
about
ways
that
we
can
do
agreements
or
things
that
would
allow
one
agency
to
manage
a
single
trail.
So
it's
not
split
partway
through
so
that's,
sometimes
it's
a
hard
are,
but
I
would
agree
with
you
that
it
either
should
have
been
closed
or
you
know
we
should
look
at
the
condition
of
the
trail
and
is
this
something
we
want
to
resurface
and
prioritize
that
compared
to
other
projects,
we
have
and.
O
O
O
You
know
in
how
it
interconnects
with
our
system-
and
you
know,
looking
at
what
would
it
take
to
surface
that
whole
loop
right
and
it's
it's
an
incredible
amount
of
work,
and
you
know
yes,
there's
a
cost
in
the
material,
but
it's
more
of
the
work
and
like
how
to
get
it
done
and
how
to
prioritize
that
in
the
mix
of
all
the
other
things
in
the
system.
But
it
is
on
our
radar
and
we
kind
of
joke
a
little
bit.
It
would
be
nice
to
surface
most
of
the
stuff.
C
B
This
is
and
in
some
ways
a
conversation
that
we
have
wanted
to
have
for
many
many
years
and
I
guess
you
know
we're
gonna
continue
this
conversation
a
lot
in
the
context
of
that
portion
of
the
master
plan,
but
I
guess
I'll
check
in
with
folks.
You
know.
Do
you
want
to?
Is
there
more
you
want
to
ask
on
this
or
I
think
this
sort
of
you
know
this
is
a
building
block
to
a
much.
You
know
more
complicating
our
sort
of
higher
level
decision
set
of
decisions
that
we
have
to
make
I
mean.
G
Let
me
just
ask
a
question
that
that
sort
of
bridges
to
some
of
the
other
master
plan
issues
that
will
be
coming
up
and
you
can
just
defer
it
and
we
can
put
on
a
sidebar
for
our
next
conversations.
But
I
know.
Over
the
last
ten
years
there
have
been
a
couple
of
trails
that
have
been
newly
constructed,
I
presume
in
as
much
a
sustainable
way
as
staff
was
able
to
design
them
at
the
time.
So
they're,
not
old
trails,
they're,
new
generation
trails,
not
newest,
but
new.
G
O
So
one
thing,
I
would
say:
is
the
construction
piece
of
it.
So
we've
been
working
quite
a
bit
with
our
resource
staff,
vegetation
management
and
restoration
staff
to
look
at
pre
projects.
You
know
techniques
using
our
BMPs
during
project.
One
of
the
things
I
totally
admit
this.
One
of
the
things
that
we've
been
straw
with
is
the
post
project
for
in-house
projects.
You
know
when
it
comes
to
contracting
it's
built
into
the
contract
that
there's
a
two-year
follow-up,
so
we're
trying
to
figure
out
what
that
looks
like
for
us.
O
We're
gonna,
have
conversations
this
winter
and
try
to
figure
out
how
to
better
do
that,
because
you
know
some
of
the
examples
been
having
conversations
about
the
Chautauqua
trail.
You
did
that
that's
still
under
warranty,
so
the
contractors
will
help
take
care
of
those
weeds.
Now
the
meadow
trail
was
was
done
in-house
and
we're
having
issues
with
that.
So
we're
having
conversations.
How
do
we
address
that?
How
do
we
follow
up?
And
you
know
it
takes
the
support
to
because
that's
not
in
our
wheelhouse-
that's
not
our
skill
set.
O
L
Mine
should
be
fast
and
easy.
We
relate
to
the
built
features
and
the
conditions
associated
with
those
are
you
able
to
track
for
recognizing
that,
possibly,
like
a
current
built
feature
might
be
the
wrong
type,
our
long-term
health
of
the
trail
from
from
the
names
given
there.
It
wasn't
clear
to
me
like
needs
to
become
something
else,
is
an
evaluation
criteria
like
maybe
a
check
step.
Isn't
the
right
feature
there?
It
needs
to
be
yeah,
so
some.
N
And
then-
and
some
of
that's
also
like
tough,
because
the
intent
is
going
out
in
measuring
condition
when
we
start
to
get
into
the
beehive
in
the
asset
management
will
start
thinking
differently
and
we'll
thinking,
we'll
start
thinking
more
prescriptively
and
that's
where
I
think
you'll
see
more
of
that.
Okay
I
would
say
the
altar
function.
Install
new
is
is
not
utilized
as
much
as
it
could
be
in
the
condition.
That's
just
because
of
the
nature
of
efficient
score
versus
a
prescription.
Yeah.
L
N
And
we're
and
we're
looking
at
the
the
trails
world
is
evolving.
You
get
water
bars
are
are
starting
to
be
a
thing
of
the
past.
We
didn't
have
rolling
great
dips
and
you
build
the
drainage
into
the
tread
itself
versus
having
structures
yeah,
so
we're
always
looking
for
better
ways
to
do
things.
Okay,
thank.
I
Had
a
question
for
you:
one
thing
that
I
really
liked
about
your
presentation
that
I
seen
before
here
and
there
is
the
the
trail
standards
and
the
TMO
and
everything
like
I-
think
it
actually
gives
us
a
language
to
discuss
what
a
trail
is
like
what
it
should
be
like
and
one
thing
that
I
think
being
somewhat
familiar
with
those
standards.
That's
missing
from
that
that
I'd,
like
to
see
incorporated,
is
some
amount
of
experience
for
the
user.
I
That
goes
beyond
like
the
tread
of
the
trail
and
some
amount
that
goes
into
the
enjoyment
of
the
tread
of
the
trail.
Specifically.
So,
like
the
part,
that's
the
enjoyment
of
the
tread
of
the
trail.
I
think
is
a
little
bit
captured
by
your
design,
use
because
you're
designing
it
for
the
use
of
that.
But
then
there's
this
other
aspect
of
like
are
you
in
the
trees?
Are
there
a
lot
of
tree,
or
there
are
a
lot
of
trails
in
the
trees
around
here,
or
is
this
the
unique
trail
in
the
trees?
I
K
I
A
Only
last
thing,
I
want
to
just
point
out
is
that
I
just
want
to
introduce
to
you
as
Alison
Eklund
you're.
Still
here,
yay
Alison
just
joined
our
staff
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
she's.
Our
new
community
relations
coordinator
and
she
as
part
of
her
left,
is
going
to
be
making
sure
that
when
we
have
programs
and
projects
that
have
a
community
component
aspect
to
it,
that
we
are
thinking
about
that
ahead
of
time
and
doing
our
best
job
in
terms
of
engaging
the
public
with
a
lot
of
our
projects
and
programs.
A
I
Let's
go
first
Leah:
do
you
mind
bringing
up
my
powerpoint,
please
so
I
guess
I
can
start
off
with
saying
mine
is
not
the
whatever
the
Brooklyn
raise
there.
We
go
so
I
happen
to
get
a
hold
of
the
elder.
Walker
survey
results,
scrape
the
data
from
a
PDF
turned
it
into
numeric
data
and
took
it
look
at
sort
of
what
people
have
been
saying
from
the
community
experience
of
Aldo
to
Walker.
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
so
the
first
thing,
because
I
really
want
to
know
this,
who
cares?
J
I
A
I
So
I
scraped
that
from
a
PDF
and
turned
it
into
actually
this
like
an
Excel
spreadsheet
based
on
their
data
and
then
I
categorized
it
as
to
whether
people
wanted
a
trail
or
not,
and
they
said
82%
said
yes
next
slide
please
and
then
because
people
were
asked
what
things
they
wanted
out
of
the
experience
I
could
break
it
down
further,
and
what
you
see
is
that
again
that
18%
people
saying
no
about
4%
said
they
wanted
the
north
option.
I
17%
said
South
a
bunch
of
them
said
they
want
to
loop
and
then
a
bunch
of
them
said
yes,
but
I
just
don't
care
what
it
is.
I
just
want
to
have.
This
trail
put
through
next
slide,
please
and
then
I
wanted
to
find
out
whether
or
not
there
is
a
difference
in
preference
between
different
user
groups,
particularly
because
this
was
a
big
promise
that
was
made
to
the
cycling
community
as
part
of
the
West
TSA.
I
What
did
they
think
they
wanted
and
perhaps
not
terribly
surprising
there
not
too
many
of
them
don't
want
to
trail.
Most
of
them
just
want
something,
but
there's
a
huge
difference
between
the
North
versus
South
and
then
the
last
slide.
Please-
and
this
one
here
is
what
hikers
preference
was
and
what
you
see
here.
There's
fewer
respondents
for
the
hikers
there's
no
94
people
who
identified
hiking
is
their
primary
activity
and
more
of
them
want
to
see
no
change.
Of
course,
there's
already
a
hiking
trail
there.
So
that's,
perhaps
not
terribly
surprising,
is.
I
That's
the
preference,
although
with
the
biker
it
may
end
up
being
that
there
would
be
that
would
be
for
all
users
and
the
bikers
would
only
have
the
south
option
so
because
currently
the
north
option
is
hiker,
hikers
can
use
it
and
it's
not
a
bikeable
trail,
so
it
being
essentially
not
improving
or
not
largely
improving
the
North
section,
creating
the
South
section
and
so
I
think
I
wanted
to
point
out
from
this.
Was
it
like?
I
The
data
were
publicly
available
and
it
gave
a
really
good
understanding
of
what
people
want,
based
on
just
their
limited
data
that
they've
been
handed
already
and
one
of
the
things
I
know
that's
been
coming
up.
Is
that
there's
been
a
set
of
consultants
working
on
the
feasibility
study
which
we're
gonna,
see
the
presentation
on
I
guess
sometime
soon
and
what
I'm
hoping
to
get
out
of
that
is.
Maybe
we
can
take
something
like
that:
TMO
experience
and
try
and
apply
that
to
our
best
understanding
of
the
hypothetical
for
these
trails.
I
That
may
be
something
we
can
do
with
the
existing
North
Trail
is
to
do
an
assessment.
That
would
say
here's
what
the
state
of
this
is
already
what's
category
one
was
category
two
because
I
think,
if
you're
thinking
about
building
this
trail
or
thinking
about
the
possibility
of
building
this
trail
for
multi
use,
including
cyclists,
it
may
mean
that
what
is
currently
being
ideas
for
the
north
option
may
be
too
steep
to
really
fit
into
one
of
the
bike.
I
Design,
trail
ideas
and
I'd
like
to
know,
if
that's
feasible
from
that
standpoint
so
and
what
the
south
side
would
look
like
versus
the
north
and
in
particular,
I'd
like
to
see
if
we
can
get
access
to
the
actual
consultants
report.
When
that's
done
in
advance
of
the
next
meeting
or
that
meeting
when
we're
discussing
this,
so
we
have
a
chance
to
read
through
all
of
their
estimations
of
what
the
different
trail
grades
would
be
where
they,
where
they
might
be
put,
and
what
the
user
experience.
I
In
particular
would
be
things
that
I'd
be
really
interested
in
like
I
said
before.
Hopefully,
this
is
all
in
there
and
I.
Think
it
was
requested
from
the
consultants
is,
what's
the
view
shed
like?
Are
you
in
the
trees?
Are
you
on
the
open?
How
steep
is
this?
How
much
of
this
would
require
hiking
if
you're
ringing
a
bicycle
and
I
would
hope
that
all
that
could
be
included
I'm
just
putting
this
in
advance,
because
I
think
these
are
the
questions
that
I'd
have
then,
and
in
now
you
know
so.
B
I
I
Q
I
can
certainly
just
speak
to
the
fact
that
kind
of
the
next
open
house
for
the
elderly
Walker
connection.
One
of
the
outcomes
there
is
to
share
information
out
from
the
feasibility
report,
so
I
think
that's
one
of
the
kind
of
the
takeaways
and
I
know
just
to
follow
up
on
what
Kevin
you
looked
at
there.
Q
His
staff
is
still
working
at
those
four
hundred
and
seventy-five
comments
to
be
able
to
actually
provide
some
feedback
response
back
to
those
community
comments
that
I
know
those
are
forthcoming,
but
it's
taking
them,
as
Dan
mentioned
earlier,
a
little
bit
to
get
through
that
range
of
comments.
So
that's
information
that'll
be
out
there,
but
really
the
focus
of
that
next
open
house
is
to
look
at
the
information.
Q
Q
Yeah
and
that's
the
feasibility,
the
first
workshop,
one
of
the
main
focus
points.
The
first
workshop
was
to
take
a
look
at
what
are
the
important
factors
that
we
need
to
kind
of
run
through
the
filter
of
the
feasibility
report,
so
part
of
that
is
certainly
trail
construction.
You
know
a
lot
of
what
we
talk
about
tonight.
Can
you,
when?
How
might
a
trail
look
if
you
build
it
in
this?
These
two
different
landscapes.
Part
of
that
is
environmental
considerations.
Q
Q
Q
So
kind
of
that
range
of
comments
are
speaking
to
what's
what
we're
looking
at.
What's
the
right
things
to
assess
than
that,
but
also
people
shared
their
thoughts
in
general
about
the
experience,
and
so
it
was
really
much
of
an
introductory
of
about
the
feasibility.
What
we
need
to
look
at
and
where
people's
thoughts
are
this
next
round
really
gets
into
the
thoughts
and
gets
to
the
conversation
around
the
two
routes
in
comparing
information.
Even
what
we
just
talked
about
these
ability
factors
and.
Q
L
You
and
I
did
have
a
question
that
Kevin's
presentation
made
me
think
of
so
in
preparing
for
the
community
workshop
or
if
we
get
to
haven´t-
or
you
know
that
was
mentioned
at
one
point
in
the
time
in
the
past.
Like
are
all
the
different
staff
offices
contributing
to
the
feasibility
stuff
study
is
it,
you
know,
is
ecological
stuff?
Is
it
the
trail
staff?
Is
it?
Is
it
everybody
at
the
table,
picking
at
this
data
at
the
same
time?
Yes,.
Q
So,
okay,
in
addition
to
the
consultants,
work
to
look
at
kind
of
a
range
of
different
routes
out
there
that
the
last
workshop
I
think
the
other
piece
there
was.
They
looked
at
a
range
of
different
alternative
potential
routes
which
several
been
taken
off
the
table
from
the
consultants
initial
work,
just
because
of
various
factors
that
there
was
maybe
one
of
three
choices
and
two
of
those
really
aren't
worth
even
considering.
Q
So
they
look
then
and
kind
of
further
analysis
on
the
one
remaining
that
was
more
viable
with,
though,
with
that
kind
of
reduced
set
of
options,
staff-
and
this
is
again
between
three
different
agencies.
Now
Colorado,
Parks
and
Wildlife-
alter
County
and
us
are
sitting
around
the
table.
The
different
representative
subject
matter:
experts
for
those
different
agencies
talking
and
bringing
in
sorting
through
the
information
with
the
consultants
to
try
to
get
to.
Q
You
know
some
much
of
a
shared
understanding
of
what
those
implications
are,
what
those
outcomes
are
so
that
we
can
share
that
forth
with
the
community
than
that.
That's
kind
of
the
process
we're
just
trying
to
wrap
up
as
we
move
to
the
next
step,
but
absolutely
each
of
the
agencies,
respective
experts
are
at
the
table
with
the
consultants
with
their
input
as
well.
K
Q
B
Then
the
next
item
on
matters
from
the
board
is
the
master
plan.
Update
and
I
should
mention,
because
it
marks
gonna
come
up
and
very
much
help
us
with
this,
but
the
October
process
committee
meeting
has
been
cancelled,
so
one
important
consequence
of
that
is
that
there
won't
be
a
process
committee
meeting
between
now
and
the
next
community
workshop
on
the
recreation
issues.
B
So
information
that
might
otherwise
have
sort
of
flowed
from
this
group
through
the
process
committee
and
back
now
needs
to
take
a
more
sort
of
direct
path
so
that
you
know
I,
think
and
I
think
this
will
be.
You
know
something
we're
about
to
talk
about
is
reactions
to
how
the
work
the
first
workshop
went
thoughts
on
that
because
to
extent
there's
input
that's
relevant
to
the
next
workshop.
That
needs
to
happen
here,
because
there's
no
intermediate
process
committee
meeting
through
which
to
filter
that
so
yeah
with.
A
R
Thanks
very
much
I'm
mark
kurston,
the
planning
and
design
services
supervisor,
and
we
talked
a
little
bit
earlier
today,
Tom
and
I
about
just
presenting
some
of
the
observations
and
outcomes
from
the
first
community
engagement
workshop
that
we
held
on
October
1st
for
the
ecological
health
and
resilience
focus
area
for
the
master
plan
we
had
about
50
members
of
the
community
participate
in
the
meeting.
We
saw
some
familiar
faces
there.
Some
people
here.
R
As
well
as
some
folks
as
well,
some
folks
that
have
been
in
the
area
for
a
long
time
that
this
was
their
first
opportunity
to
participate,
so
that
was
nice.
We
also
had
innovation
for
us.
We
had
a
Spanish
translator.
There
most
folks
might
not
have
noticed
this,
but
there
are
some
people
walking
around
and
I
thought.
Some
of
them
may
have
been
listening
to
the
football
game,
but
they
are
actually
tuning
into
Spanish
translation.
R
One
of
those
people
was
one
of
our
folks
that
will
be
working
with
the
Latino
community
that
were
through
the
Promotora
model,
but
we
had
some
other
folks
there
too.
So
that
was
nice
to
be
able
to
offer
that
as
a
service
to
the
community,
we
had
a
fewer
younger
folk
than
we
are
looking
for,
but
between
5:30
and
8:00
on
a
weeknight.
It's
not
exactly
the
time.
You'd
expect
to
see
a
lot
of
kids
coming
out
there,
but
we're
hoping
to
get
a
lot
of
input
from
you
through
our
micro
engagement.
R
That's
already
started
and
we'll
be
going
underway
through
through
the
entire
engagement
window
as
well.
So
that's
that
will
be
going
on
separately.
We
wouldn't
really
seek
to
engage
youth
at
that
time,
start
off
with
presentation.
We
had
Dan
welcome
folks
and
Erin
Brocket
was
there
from
City
Council
in
the
process
committee
to
welcome
folks,
and
that
was
nice
Amanda
Jeter
from
design
workshop
gave
you
an
introduction
on
the
process
and
Brian
Annika
science
officer
was
able
to
kind
of
walk
us
through
the
various
related
topics
and
the
outcomes
for
those
related
topics.
R
R
The
the
post-it
notes
reflected
people's
ideas
about
tweaking
the
outcomes,
introducing
some
new
ideas
for
strategies
and
refining
strategies
that
we
had
there
as
well,
and
then
there
was
a
kind
of
somatic
elements.
There
were
a
lot
of
people
who
wrote
comments
just
obviously
really
interested
in
ecological
health
and
resilience
and
wanting
to
know
more
about
our
ecological
systems
and
the
processes
that
support
them
in
the
species
that
comprise
them
so
and
that's
I,
think
just
part
of
the
DNA
of
Boulder
just
wanting
to
know
more
about.
What's
going
on
on
the
open
space.
R
The
other
kind
of
theme
was
an
interest
in
how
do
I
get
involved
in
restoration
projects.
Where
are
the
volunteer
activities,
and
so
we
actually
had
Janelle
Freeston
and
others
there
to
make
people
aware
of
volunteer
opportunities
and
sign
people
up
who
might
be
interested
in
doing
that.
So
it's
a
nice
integration
between
our
planning
and
setting
priorities
and
developing
strategies,
part
of
our
work
and
our
taking
action
and
getting
stuff
done
work.
So
that
was
nice.
R
R
Those
around
to
the
various
stations
to
kind
of
build
interest
and
help
interpret
what
we're
doing
there
as
well
and
just
some
other
minor
considerations
to
improve
improve
the
flow
of
the
evening.
So
folks
have
any
other
suggestions.
That'd
be
great
and,
as
a
reminder
is,
as
Dan
said
before
this
community
workshop,
we
had
a
staff
workshop
and
we'll
have
ongoing
online
engagement
and
micro
engagement
with
the
folks
experiencing
disabilities
use
and
the
Latino
community.
As
part
of
our
effort
in
this
engagement
window.
B
So
any
any
either
questions
or
suggestions
on
anything
that'll
be
changed
for
the
next
workshop.
I
have
to
say,
I
thought
this
subject
matter
is
tough.
The
questions
that
we're
being
asked
where
we're
challenging
questions.
My
guess
is
that
the
next
couple
of
workshops
will
be
somewhat
more
accessible
in
the
sense
of
the
choices
that
are
being
posed
will
be
somewhat
clearer.
You
know
more
intuitive
or
familiar
to
people,
I,
don't
know
you
know
how
the
turnout
will
compare,
but
I
thought
this
was
a
challenging
one.
B
To
start
with,
I
was
impressed,
you
know
in
many,
you
know
with
the
written
material
and
a
lot
of
the
you
know
the
way
this
was
sort
of
laid
out
as
I
looked
at
the
questions,
I
thought
wow.
Those
are
hard
questions.
I
mean
a
lot
of
time
on
this
stuff,
you'd
still
struggle
to
say,
wow,
that's
a
chapter
challenging
choice,
so
I
mean
my
I
know.
We've
we've
wrestled
with
this,
but
I
think
we
need
to
continue
thinking
a
lot
about.
B
You
know
how
accessible
are
the
particular
questions
that
were
posing
for
people
and
maybe
that
in
the
become
the
recreation
one
that'll
be
much
much
less
of
an
issue
in
the
you
know,
it'll
be
by
its
nature.
More
intuitive
I
thought
that
was,
you
know
to
me.
The
principal
challenge
was
sort
of
wrapping
your
head
around
what
the
questions
that
were
being
posed,
but
I
really
appreciated
the
whole.
The
way,
the
way
it
ran
and
sort
of
the
layout
of
the
room-
and
you
know
the.
R
But
it's
posted
on
the
website
and
we'll
have
our
big
banners
out
there
on
the
corner
as
well
to
attract
people,
I
have
to
say
I
just
want
to
acknowledge,
Brian
and
Heather
for
the
ecological
health
and
resilience
workshop,
just
the
real
leadership
that
they
provide
of
pulling
that
information
together,
making
it
interpretable
getting
the
posters
you
know,
provided
we
had
a
huge
team,
Phil
gates,
our
communication
specialist
sent
me
a
page.
I've
got
it
here,
but
of
the
of
the
various
outreach
communication
tools
through
social
media
and
other
things.
Email.
R
This
more
than
45,000
people
had
an
opportunity
to
see
our
direct
social
media
outreach
and
emails,
and
and
from
that
we
asked
people
at
various
community-based
organizations
to
pass
the
word
along.
So
I
think
there
was
just
a
huge
effort
to
get
the
word
out.
We
had
signs
at
all
of
our
trail
heads
so
can't
even
count
the
number
of
people
who
pass
by
those.
J
R
Already
dipped
into
them
and
folks
have
been
dipping
into
them
just
to
kind
of
get
an
idea
to
prepare
us
for
upcoming
study
session.
You
know
see
where
the
the
focus
of
community
interest
and
comments
are
so
we'll
we'll
have
an
opportunity
where
I'm
actually
going
to
finalize
the
comments
at
the
end
of
this
week
for
going
into
into
the
responsible
recreation
but
we'll
see
yeah
I
think
we've
got
some
good
questions
brewing
for
that
and.
G
R
Any
of
the
comments
that
have
to
with
adjustments
to
the
outcomes
and
strategies
will
be
considered
as
ways
to
improve
those,
so
we'll
be
rolling
up
the
outcomes
and
strategies
as
part
of
the
conversation
with
the
study
session,
because
we
have
there
a
number
I'm
just
over
a
hundred
strategies
and
ecological
health
and
resilience
in
terms
of
what
was
presented.
There
are
too
fine
a
scale
to
necessarily
bring
as
they
are
into
a
master
plan.
R
Similarly,
we
have
probably
too
many
outcomes
for
that,
so
we're
going
to
try
to
roll
some
of
this
stuff
up
so
that
we
have
a
more
structured
and
a
more
high-level
master
plan
view,
and
so
the
comments
will
help
us
round
that
out
by
bringing
in
additional
strategies
that
we'll
get
rolled
up
but
will
be
important
points
or
bullet
points
under
the
larger
strategies
tweaking
the
outcomes
so
that
they're
more
meaningful
the
languages
more
clearly
communicated
with
regards
to
comment.
I
think
those
are
the
those
are
the
dominant
types
of
comments.
R
We've
got
the
comments
about.
You
know
I'd
like
to
learn
more
about
this,
or
that
will
be
shared
with
our
education
staff.
We'll
do
our
best,
you
know
to
make
it
clear
that
these
are
themes
that
came
out
during
the
workshops
that
we
might
want
to
develop
into
educational
programming.
Things
like
that,
some
of
them
we
just
can't
address
directly
through
the
master
plan
process.
They.
A
G
R
Thanks
for
we
can
seek
to
clarify
that
and
in
response
to
something
else,
you
said,
I
think
there
is
a
growing
awareness
that
doing
some
education
about
what
it
is
to
manage.
Open
space
is
an
important
thing
that
may
be
showing
up
in
Community,
Connections
education
and
inclusion
focus
area
as
we
develop
that
topic,
because
that's
certainly,
as
Dan
said,
one
of
the
crossover
places
where
we're
saying.
Oh
here's
a
great
opportunity,
lots
of
curiosity
about
what
we
do.
Why
we
do
it,
how
we
do
it
Karen.
A
Are
you
suggesting,
perhaps
using
some
the
presentation
time
to
be
very
clear
on
tonight?
Here
are
two
or
three
ways
that
we're
looking
for
you
to
leave
your
feedback
and
to
walk
through
the
process
of
how
you
could
provide
it
and
what
we're
looking
for
to
be
more
clear
as
people
come
through
the
door
yeah.
G
That'd
be
good
and
and
as
I
was
standing
at
the
poster
boards
and
looking
at
the
big
blank
spaces
where
people
were
supposed
to
put
sticky
notes,
I
said
to
myself:
how
are
they
going
to
use
this?
What
did
it,
what
I
said
they,
the
staff,
is
getting
from
the
sticky
notes,
so
some
clarity
both
on
the
poster
boards
and
a
real
concrete
example
in
the
preliminary
information
that
Brian
and
others
give
to
the
group.
That's
assembled
I
think
be
good.
Okay,.
M
From
the
workshop,
just
to
give
you
an
example,
I
just
wrote:
we
just
did
this.
This
morning
we
came
up
with
about
13
new
strategies,
so
that's
about
ten
to
one
from
the
sticky
notes
to
things
that
were
qualitatively
new,
that
we
didn't
have
in
our
big
pile
of
100
and
some
strategies
already
one
of
them
for
a
concrete
example,
was
on
understanding
pollinators,
their
role
in
how
to
best
conserve
them.
That's
just
something
we
didn't
come
up
with.
M
That
I
think
is
relevant
and
worth
representing
another
one,
which
kind
of
gives
you
a
sense
of
where
our
community
yet
was
understand
the
presence
of
micro
refugia
for
protecting
plants,
animals
in
the
presence
of
climate
change.
Another
one
was
look
at
the
meta
population
structure
and
genetic
capability
of
plants
and
animals
with
climate
change,
so
some
pretty
technical.
M
Would
be
that's
great
image,
dogs
and
well,
we
already
sort
of
have
a
strategy
for
that
or
there
was
a
lot
of
I'd
like
to
learn
more
about
this
or,
like
you,
get
more
regular
reporting
now
from
your
staff.
What
you
do,
citizen
science
was
another
one
that
we
didn't
have
it
as
clearly
underlined
as
a
strategy
that
what
you
do
now,
I'm.
J
Trying
to
think
ahead
of
the
master
plan
and
I
always
keep
coming
back
at
this.
That
staff
really
needs
to
think
about
what
the
master
plan
needs
to
do
for
you,
and
usually
it
means
giving
you
directions
on
priorities
or
helping
you
with
hard
choices
that
are
difficult
politically,
and
so,
amongst
all
this
stuff,
you're
hearing,
you
really
have
to
step
back
and
say
as
a
department.
J
What
are
the
tough
choices
we
face,
and
how
can
we
frame
that
in
this
statistically
valid
survey
in
a
way
that
gives
us
a
clear
indication
from
the
public
and
it
obviously
can't
be
on
130
different
strategies,
but
most
of
those
130
don't
involve
major
political
conflicts
or
major
priority
questions,
and
so
trying
to
figure
those
critical
choices
out.
I
think
is
I
mean
it's
gonna,
be
you
guys
to
tell
us
really
I
think
well.
R
L
In
order
to
when
we
come
recombine,
all
the
focus
areas
be
able
to
make
those
trade-offs,
and
so
I
would
actually
like
I
loved
this
event,
because
I
learned
a
lot.
It
was
an
area
where
I
didn't
really
have
a
lot
of
depth
of
knowledge
and
I
started
to
gain
some
and
now
I
will
be
able
to
have
a
better
discussion
about
trade-offs
when
we,
when
we
get
to
that
point,
how
can
we
ramp
up
getting
the
community
into
these
events
as
an
educational
opportunity?
L
R
A
great
point,
so
you
know
we
have
been
kind
of
playing
more
for
tell
us
what
you
want
the
future
to
be
around
ecological
conservation
or
around
their
various
topic
areas.
You
know
recently,
so
we
could
say
a
little
bit
more
that
we've
got
food
and
we've
got
things
for
kids
to
do
to
get
people
out,
but
I
think
in
addition
to
that,
it
might
be
good
to
highlight
the
fact
that
it's
also
a
great
opportunity
to
learn
more
about
what
what
we
know
or
what
we
have
to
present.
R
R
J
I
Is
our
last
opportunity
to
suggest
stuff
before
this
next
one
I
think
I
mean
the
trail
conditions,
maps
that
we
saw
and
I
would
be
an
amazing
thing
to
have
there,
because
it
provides
a
great
place
to
start
a
dialogue
about
the
state
of
things
it
gives
it.
People
is
like,
oh
I,
don't
think
it's
that
bad
wow.
That
is
as
bad
as
I
thought
and
then
it
might
also
lead
you
into
some
great
questions
about
so
look.
We
have
this
huge
back
financial
backlog
on
time
backlog.
How
do
we
overcome
that
new
tax?
I
Do
we
have
all
these
other
things
like?
That
might
actually
lead
to
some
good
questions
about
prioritization
and
then
the
last
thing
I'd
say
kind
of
apropos
of
this
is
like
we're
moving
into
a
world
of
regional
recreational
connectivity
as
being
more
and
more
important
and
I
know.
We've
had
some
Maps
up
before
that
have
shown
like
hypothetical,
regional,
connectors
and
I
think
that
those
might
be
a
really
great
thing
to
engage
in
a
discussion
with
as
well
like
what
do
you
want
those
to
be?
What's
the
nature
of
those?
I
Do
you
want
them
to
be
a
wilderness
experience?
Do
you
want
them
to
be
a
more
you
know:
Crusher
fine,
ten-foot
wide.
Those
are
the
sorts
of
questions
that
might
really
open
up.
What's
regional
connectivity
mean
to
people
who
are
interested
in
using
our
open
space,
so
those
are
just
my
two
suggestions.
I
R
Be
great
Leah.
This
is
just
the
overall
look
at
where
we
stand
in
the
in
the
ascent
of
developing
a
final
plan,
and
so
we're
here
with
development
of
strategies
and
priorities
and
we'll
be
going
through
the
focus
area.
Iterative
process
of
staff
workshop
community
workshop
open
space
board
study
session
before
we
embark
into
the
next
phases
of
the
project.
Fourth
phase
next
year
around
the
prioritization
and
integration
of
the
focus
areas,
and
then
the
draft
plan
final
plan
and
implementation.
Once
we've
got
a
plan
approved
more
detailed
picture
of
what's
coming.
R
This
is
broken
up
by
the
focus
areas
and
we've
already
held
the
ecosystem,
health
and
resilience
all
staffing
community
workshops.
So
the
next
thing
for
that
will
be
on
November
14th,
when
we
have
the
study
session
with
the
board,
with
responsible,
recreations
stewardship
and
enjoyment
on
Wednesday
a
week
from
today,
we'll
be
having
our
staff
workshop,
followed
by
the
community
workshop
at
the
beginning
of
November
that
we
were
just
talking
about
and
then
returning
to
the
board
on
December
12th
with
a
study
session.
The
online
engagement
periods
for
these
are
also
shown
here.
R
And
the
community
connections-
education,
inclusion,
we're
pairing
up
with
agriculture
today
and
tomorrow,
we'll
be
having
our
staff
workshop
the
day
that
we'll
we'll
have
our
ecological
health
and
resilience
study
session
with
you
on
November
14th
and
then
the
community
workshop
on
that
will
be
on
December
3rd
right
now.
The
study
session
on
that
is
proposed
for
January
9th.
R
We
have
had
some
conversation
about
potentially
moving
that
out
a
week
so
that
we
don't
have
to
have
staff
working
over
the
holidays
to
get
everything
prepared
because
right
now
it's
pretty
tight
in
there
with
all
that
we've
got
going.
But
currently
this
is
the
plan
with
online
engagement
going
basically
December
3rd
to
the
17th
and
then
once
we've
held
the
study
session
with
the
board
on
community
connections,
education
and
inclusion
in
agricultural
today
and
tomorrow,
that
will
be
the
end
of
this
engagement
window
and
I.
A
A
I
would
be
interested
to
see
if
we
would
have
a
regular
meeting
on
the
9th,
but
perhaps
a
study
session
a
week
or
so
later
and
just
to
get
a
pulse
from
the
bored
of
whether
they
would
be
supportive
of
trying
to
find
a
mid-january
date
that
might
work
for
this
study
session,
which
could
alleviate
some
of
that
pressure
over
the
holidays
to
prepare
for
the
study
session.
So
so.
I
B
L
Looks
fine
I
mean,
can
we
move
our
regular
meeting
as
well
and
just
yeah
but
everything
one
week
later?
Yes,.
I
A
A
J
L
B
B
R
You
know
we
know
that
we'll
have
several
other
conversations
with
the
process
committee
about
about
the
statistically
valid
survey
and
and
we'll
have
parallel
engagement
going
at
the
same
time,
so
that
we're
you
know
gathering
a
lot
of
information
during
that
period
about
priorities
and
trade-offs.
That's
the
goal
for
the
the
next
engagement
window,
which.
R
B
J
G
Boulder's
ecosystems
and
the
future
of
them
in
an
era
of
climate
change,
is
that
EAB
is
holding
in
collaboration
with
several
other
groups
out
at
East
campus
at
the
seek
building
on
November
16th,
an
all-day
summit
to
which
public
members
are
invited
to
discuss
many
of
these
same
kinds
of
issues.
Where
should
we
be
going
as
a
city
to
preserve
our
ecosystems,
both
urban
ecosystems
and
natural
ecosystems,
as
in
open
space?
G
My
notes,
don't
say
what
time
Fri,
Friday
November
16th
out
at
seek
and
they're
planning
on
catering
lunch
and
having
some
plenary
sessions
in
the
morning,
as
well
as
some
breakout
groups
to
hear
from
members
of
the
community
and
there
they're,
also
hoping
to
have
leaders
of
community
groups,
represent
those
groups
and
figure
out
what
contributions
community
groups
could
make
towards
this.
Besides,
just
the
city
itself,.
B
Remaining
item
is
to,
as
we've
started
doing
is
to
notify
the
public
that
the
next
community
workshop
is
also
a
meeting
of
the
open
space
board
of
trustees,
and
you
know
three
or
more
of
us
may
be
there
and,
as
we
did
the
last
time
so
I'll
request
that
the
community
workshop
on
recreation
be
called
as
a
special
meeting
of
the
open
space
Board
of
Trustees
on
November.
If
and
just
you
know,
maybe
by
not
of
heads
okay,
so
we're
all
in
agreement
to
do
that,
I
mean
I.
B
C
G
A
quick
question
about
the
list
of
upcoming
projects
with
public
input
opportunities.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
staff
for
putting
this
together.
I
really
appreciate
and
I'm
sure.
The
community
appreciates
the
advanced
notice
of
all
these
meetings
and
opportunities
for
community
input,
as
I
read
through
it.
G
I
thought
of
the
public
participation
working
group
recommendations
and
my
recollection
is
that
the
public
participation
working
group
suggested
that
that
city
agencies
and
offices
before
they
do
public
participation,
clearly
define
what
the
question
is
that
they're
trying
to
find
answers
to
so
that
the
public
knows
when
they
come
to
meetings.
What
questions
they're
supposed
to
be
focusing
on
answering
and
as
I
read
this
memo,
it's
I
found
it
mostly
process
oriented
rather
than
why
would
I
come
to
this
meeting?
G
G
R
Be
happy
to
do
two
things.
I
think
one
make
an
adjustment
to
these
community
engagement
updates
to
include
that
kind
of
information.
I
think
that's
a
great
request
and,
secondly,
bring
back
any
one
of
these
individually
to
you
at
a
time
where
we
can
go
into
more
detail
about
them.
At
this
point,
some
of
these
projects
are
still
worship,
as
you
can
see,
we're
still
trying
to
figure
out
when
we're
even
going
to
have
the
meeting
and
so
we're
in
the
primordial
stages.
R
I
will
say
that
each
of
the
each
of
these
has
built
into
it
a
communications
plan
and
a
Public
Engagement
plan
that
has
the
steps
in
the
the
city's
engagement
strategic
framework
laid
out.
So
we
can
provide
that
information
for
each
of
the
engagement
opportunities
and
specifically,
what
we're,
asking
and
and
the
nature
whether
there's
a
information
or
consultation,
or
what
we're
trying
to
do
specifically
at
these.
So
we
can.
R
J
R
It's
been
a
it's
been
a
kind
of
interesting
thing,
because
we
both
been
developing
projects
and
the
process
simultaneously.
So
it's
kind
of
an
interesting
bootstrapping
of
this
and
we've
been
learning
a
lot
through
a
number
of
projects
that
we've
been
doing,
because
we
had
some
urgency
to
get
them
done
and
as
well.
Devising
and
getting
feedback
internally
on
the
process.
So
I
think
will
be
a
great
conversation.
So.
J
R
In
that
case,
and
then
sometimes
we
have
situations
where
we
have
concerns
that
we
have
associated
with
one
of
the
Charter
purposes
and
we
have
an
area
that
hasn't
been
through
some
kind
of
area,
management,
planning,
tsa
area
management
plan
whatever,
and
we
feel
the
need
to
take
action
before
some
community
service
is
degraded
or
some
resources
degraded.
And
so
we
operate
outside
the
guidance
of
an
area
plan
like
that.
So
that
we've
got
both
things
going
on
right
now
and
it's
been
keeping
busy
living.
A
A
Yeah,
we
chose
a
couple
that
were
under
guidance
of
a
plan
above
it
such
as
a
TSA
and
a
couple
that
weren't,
but
the
ISPs
and
above
the
ISPs.
The
integrated
area
plans
are
two
kind
of
concepts
for
how
we're
thinking
best
to
do
some
implementation
of
master
plan
stuff.
So
it's
all
linked
together
and
that's
why
this
winter?
We
want
to
present
you
these
concepts
for
these
area
plans
and
incite
plans.