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A
Wonderful
welcome
open
space
staff
members,
open
space
board
members
and
members
of
the
public.
We
are
here
today
for
the
open
space
board
of
trustees
meeting
of
september,
8th
2021.
A
We
will
start
our
meeting
by
calling
the
role
of
board
members.
Do
we
have
michelle
estrella
present.
B
A
And
caroline
miller,
president
dave
koontz
here
karen
hollwag
here
and
I
myself
hal
halstein,
I'm
also
here,
so
we
have
all
board
members
present
this
evening.
There
is
one
immediate
change
to
the
agenda
that
has
been
requested
for
matters
from
the
department.
The
discussion
on
master
plan
strategy,
addressing
the
global
climate
crisis
here
and
now
is
going
to
be
moved
up
into
position
a
and
the
discussion
of
the
nighttime
hours
on
flagstaff
road
is
going
to
be
moved
into
position
b.
So
that
is
one
small
update
to
the
agenda.
C
Hal,
if
I
could
just
chime
in
because
the
funded
research
program
item
number
c,
is
going
to
be
referencing.
The
continuation
of
the
discussion
on
the
climate
crisis,
because
we
have
a
few
funded
programs
related
to
climate
crisis.
The
flow
might
be
good
to
have
c
become
b
as
well.
So,
but
if
the
board
is
acceptance
of
that,
we
would
suggest
that
we
have
the
climate
crisis,
move
right
into
funded
research
and
then
end
with
the
nighttime
hours.
A
Okay,
you
know,
I
see
no
problem
with
that.
Does
anyone
else
have
an
issue-
okay,
great
and
for
members
of
the
public
anyone
tuning
in
that
does
mean
the
flagstaff
road
discussion
will
be
later
in
the
evening.
A
However,
the
public
comment
period
because
it
is
not
a
public
hearing
item-
will
be
the
point
at
which
to
discuss
any
of
these
items
under
matters
from
the
department,
and
we
will
do
that
public
comment
before
engaging
in
the
meeting
in
earnest,
but
do
want
to
let
you
know
that
the
nighttime
hour
discussion
will
be
moved
back
in
the
schedule
somewhat
materially.
A
So
perhaps,
if
you
have
time
constraints
to
just
consider
that
great,
I
guess
with
that,
we
can
move
into
the
meeting
proper
and
as
normal,
we
start
with
a
look
and
review
and
approval
of
the
prior
meetings
minutes,
which
is
found
on
page
3
of
the
pdf
packet.
A
B
A
And
page
three
is
a
short
page.
D
Hal,
yes
dave.
I
have
some
suggestions,
suggested
editions
for
the
greenways
update
item
tremendous
and
there
I'm
suggesting
three
sentences.
What
I
think
that
item
merits
a
little
more
detail,
and
so
I've
tried
to
add
just
a
bit
more
detail,
so
folks
can
understand
kind
of
the
some
of
the
specifics
of
the
updates.
So
leah.
Can
you
bring
that
up
on
the
screen?
A
Great
scene,
none,
let's
include
that
as
a
additional
information
in
agenda
item
seven
in
the
minutes.
A
And
barring
any
further
issues,
carolyn.
E
For
that
page
right,
the
line
above
adjournment,
the
board
additionally
asked
staff
about
baseline
monitoring
and
multi-use
trails,
just
to
clarify
that
a
little
further
baseline
monitoring
regarding
multi-use
trails
or
were
we.
E
F
Are
you
sure
it
was
that
early
in
the
evening,
because
10
43
seems
too
early.
A
G
Truth,
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
to
have
some
amplification
of
that
sentence
and
since
I'm
in
a
different
location
and
don't
have
my
notes
from
the
meeting
with
me,
I
can't
make
a
specific
suggestion.
But
perhaps
a
secretary
could
go
back
and
and
listen
to
the
tape
and
clarify,
as
caroline
has
suggested,
that
sentence.
A
I
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
just
because
it's
you
know,
after
the
retreat
and
after
greenways,
and
it's
just
not
clear
exactly
what
it
is
we're
referring
to.
So
if
it
would
be
just
possible
to
place
the
j,
the
sort
of
baseline,
of
what
information
in
there.
That.
E
C
I
think
you
may
be
right,
I
think
it
might
have
been
a
question
about
a
written
memo
and
we
had
a
north
sky
trail
written
memo
and
aaron.
I
remember
saying
she
was
glad
to
see
that
monitoring
was
mentioned
in
the
memo
as
a
huge,
an
upcoming
activity
and-
and
so
we
talked
about
baseline
monitoring.
G
Yeah
and
casey
talked
about
the
all
the
information
in
the
natural
resource
survey
that
was
done
before
the
plan
was
created.
C
A
Okay,
can
I
propose
a
brief
correction?
Then
we
leave
the
sentence
as
is,
and
then
say:
multi
multiple
usage
of
the
north
sky
trail.
G
E
I
have
written
that
monitoring
not
implemented
until
2023
so
again,
if
that
was
that
specific
that
we
were
talking
about
or
if
it
was
something
else,
I'm
not
sure
so
maybe
have
have
them.
Take
a
look
and
really
see
what
we
were
discussing.
D
Yeah,
I
think
it'd
be
helpful
for
staff
to
listen
to
the
tape
and
and
kind
of
be
a
little
more
specific,
and
maybe
we
can
approve
the
minutes
with
the
the
caveat
that
will
consider
you
know
the
the
proposed
revision
at
our
next
meeting.
A
I'd
prefer
not
I'd
prefer
to
close
this
minutes
item
without
bringing
it
back
if
possible.
If
we
are
in
agreement
that
this
is
on
the
north
sky
trail,
I
do
recall
the
discussion
now
and
that
was
essentially
a
discussion
of
do.
We
have
current
baseline
statistics,
what
are
they
and
then
there
was
discussion
about
the
use
of
north
sky
trail
and
the
board's
preference
for
avoiding
regional
interconnection
was
essentially
the
essence.
As
I
recall.
A
So
maybe
we
could
say
the
board
additionally
asked
staff
questions
about
the
written
item
on
the
north
sky
trail
and
initial
baseline
monitoring
and
stated
preferences
related
to
consideration
of
the
north
sky
trail
for
multiple
uses
and
regional
interconnection.
H
H
The
no
sorry
this
I'm
having
trouble
with
my
computer,
I
was
not
typing
it.
I
was
relying
on
the
recording.
I
understood
what
you
said
and
I,
but
I
don't
have
it
written
out.
Sorry.
A
Okay,
okay,
I
I
think
we
got
it
that
just
does
that
cover
people's
concerns
here.
A
So
with
that,
as
amended,
I
think,
unless
there's
any
other
items
in
the
minutes,
we
can
seek
a
motion
to
approve.
A
I
will
second,
so
we
will
call
the
roll
michelle
estrella.
F
A
Caroline
miller,
yes
and
karen
halwig
yes,
so
we
have
a
unanimous
approval
of
the
prior
meeting.
Thank
you
very
much.
Everybody.
One
small
item
of
note.
I
learned
recently
that
when
you
are
on
mute
and
zoom,
you
can
actually
press
the
space
bar
on
your
key
and
temporarily
and
immediately
be
taken
off
of
mute,
just
a
good
thing
to
throw
in
your
back
pocket.
A
Great
with
that
baseline
administration
completed
I'd
like
to
ask
allison
eklund
to
please
give
us
the
rules
for
city
of
boulder
public
meetings
and
then
we'll
move
into
public
comment.
I
Okay,
there
we
go
thank
you
for
joining
us
this
evening
in
order
to
strike
a
balance
between
meaningful
and
transparent
engagement
and
online
security.
The
following
guidelines
will
be
applied
to
tonight's
meeting.
This
meeting
has
been
called
to
conduct
the
business
of
the
city
of
boulder
activities
that
disrupt
delay
or
otherwise
interfere
with
the
meeting
are
prohibited.
I
I
In
order
to
be
asked
to
unmute
tonight
before
public
comment,
we
will
ask
that
you
have
a
name
and
if
you
are
unable
to
rename
yourself,
you
can
send
a
message
to
me
in
the
chat
and
I
can
rename
you
no
video
will
be
permitted,
except
for
city
officials,
employees
and
invited
speakers.
All
others
will
participate
by
voice.
Only
the
person
presiding
at
the
meeting
shall
enforce
these
rules
by
muting.
Anyone
who
violates
any
rule
the
chat
function
is
enabled
to
the
host
tonight,
and
that
is
for
technical,
zoom
related
questions.
Only
not
content.
I
Only
the
host
and
individuals
designated
by
the
host
will
be
permitted
to
share
their
screen
during
this
meeting,
and
when
we
get
to
public
comment,
if
anyone
would
like
to
raise
their
hand
to
speak,
you
can
find
that
under
the
participants
icon
and
then
you'll
be
able
to
click
those
little
three
dots
at
the
bottom
of
that
box.
To
raise
your
hand,
some
people
are
also
able
to
find
it
in
the
reactions
icon
along
the
bottom
of
their
screen
as
well.
A
B
A
You
allison
and
with
that
we're
going
to
move
into
public
comment.
This
is
a
good
time
for
those
who
haven't
signed
up.
If
you
would
like
to
speak
to,
please
raise
your
hand,
and
I
do
just
want
to
note
again
that
we
do
not
have
any
scheduled
public
hearings
on
the
matters
at
hand
this
evening.
So
public
comment
would
be
the
right
venue
for
any
member
of
the
public
to
speak
to
any
of
the
items
that
are
up
for
discussion
and
including
any
written
information
in
the
board's
packet
and
so
allison.
A
Do
we
have
some
pre-sign
ups.
I
A
J
All
right,
great
good
start,
my
three
minutes,
I
guess
hello
again,
everyone,
my
name
is
daniel.
I'm
the
stewardship
manager
with
the
boulder
climbing
community.
I
wanted
to
touch
on
the
flagstaff
nighttime
parking
update
proposal.
We
sent
a
letter
to
you.
I
guess
first
off.
Thank
you
to
the
board
trustees
for
giving
the
space
to.
Let
us
talk
and
thank
you
for
the
osmp
staff
for
a
quick
meeting
last
week
with
quick
turnaround
to
hear
the
thoughts
of
the
climbing
community.
J
We
do
still
find
that
it's
restrictive
to
climbers
and
other
outdoor
recreationals
that
want
to
use
the
the
resources
and
the
things
on
flagstaff
mountain,
especially
in
the
summer,
given
that
there's
not
a
large
overlap
of
time
between
9pm
and
when
it's
actually
getting
dark
on
our
call
with
staff.
Last
week
we
talked
about
the
idea
of
a
nighttime
permit
system
that
seemed
to
be
well
received
by
the
staff.
It's
something
that
the
bcc
and
fcc
both
I
would
like
to
see,
and
it
didn't
seem
like.
J
There
were
very
many
problems
that
came
up
during
the
discussion
on
our
call
and
in
the
language
to
the
packet
to
the
board.
The
language
we
weren't,
the
biggest
fans
of
it,
felt
like
it
was
recommending
just
looking
into
this
as
an
option,
and
we
would
rather
see
the
language
be
updated
to
direct
staff
to
actually
implement
a
night
a
late
time.
Nighttime
parking
permit.
That
would
allow
folks
to
get
this
permit
online
and
stay
at
flagstaff
later
than
nine
o'clock,
and
so
yeah.
J
We'd
also
like
to
see
the
the
language
expressly
state
that,
at
a
certain
point
in
the
future,
potentially
a
year
into
the
future,
did
the
osmp
staff
would
run
what
would
be
like
an
adaptive
management
type
plan
and
re-evaluate
not
only
the
nighttime
parking
rule,
but
also
the
permit
system
that
were
to
be
enacted
and
really
see
if
this
is
actually
working
to
address
the
original
law
enforcement
problems?
Is
it
working
for
the
climate
community
and
other
recreationalists
that
want
to
use
flagstaff
mountain?
J
Does
the
permit
system
work
things
like
that,
and
so
there's
more
details
on
what
we're
suggesting,
but
it's
in
the
letter
to
the
board
of
trustees
about
our
specific
feelings
about
this
permit
system
yeah,
I
would.
I
would
encourage
the
the
board
to
see
the
direct
staff
to
actually
implement
this
permit
system.
We
think
it's
the
least
restrictive
way.
It
lets
folks
recreate
on
flagstaff,
and
they
have
actually
run
through
a
system
that
is
most
likely
not
going
to
be
abused
by
the
folks
that
are
actually
breaking
the
law
up
there.
J
So
once
again,
thank
you
to
the
board
of
trustees
for
for
having
this
moment
of
public
comment
and
thanks
for
having
us
on
here.
K
I'm
so
glad
to
see
that
jonathan
cohen
is
here
and
brett
kim
karen,
and
I
guess
because
of
the
discussion
on
climate
tonight
and
what
I
wanted
to
bring
up
is
the
the
confusion
in
this
community
regarding
seeing
south
I'm
seeing
that
the
arguments
that
are
being
made
are
for
the
same
argument,
is
used
for
annexation
or
against
annexation.
K
I
refuted
mark
wallach
at
length
and
you
can
see
that
on
your
thing,
I'll
send
it
to
you
jonathan,
because
I
didn't
send
it
to
you
and
bread,
but
but
it's
come
up
that
cu
south
needs.
An
environmental
assessment,
and
part
of
this
is
elucidated
in
the
actual
wording
of
the
vote
for
november
2nd.
K
The
initiative
under
e
under
f
environmental
impacts
plans
for
preservation
and
restoration
of
environmental
assets
in
the
south,
boulder
creek
flood
plain
on
cu,
south
and
adjacent
open
space,
and
then,
of
course,
a
I
think
is
most
relevant
well
as
well.
There
are
one
two
three,
four
five:
six:
seven
pollution
controls.
K
That's
big
two
eight
there's
eight
parameters
that
need
to
be
that
that
the
vote
is
suggesting
that
the
public
needs
to
be
illuminated
of
and
wade
in
on
before
any
annexation
agreement
and
separating
that
we
can
go
ahead
with
flood
remediation,
and
the
common
theme
has
been
that
that
the
city
of
boulder
is
slowing
down
the
remediation
for
these
people
who
have
their
lives
endangered
in
the
2300
people.
But
that
has
actually
been
cu
that
has
slowed
things
down
by
conflating
annexation
with
flood
remediation.
K
Now,
there's
119
acres
that
they're
giving
us
of
open
space,
but
that
is
not
good
open
space.
I
mean
it's
good
to
this,
it's
good
for
flooding,
so
that's
not
a
gift.
The
way
that
I
see
it-
and
it's
certainly
not,
and
if
you
see
that
any
differently,
let
me
know,
but
it's
certainly
also
a
problem
to
not
have
a
site
plan.
That's
a
in
in
the
in
the
vote,
wording
itself
the
text
and
to
not
know
what
cu
is
going
to
do.
There
is
huge.
K
We
have
to
know
that
open
space
has
to
know
that,
because
we're
40
million
dollars
in
debt
right
now
in
deficit
and
then
matt
benjamin
who
supports
annexation
is
saying
this
is
the
reason
that
we
need
to
continue
with
annexation.
No,
the
reason,
that's
the
reason
we
don't
need
to
continue,
need
to
vote
for
annexation
and
and
that's
because
it's
such
a
huge
impact
to
our
infrastructure
and
that
transportation
and
and
open
space,
especially
so
I
I'm
looking
at
this
text,
so
I
need
to
see
the
timer.
I'm
sorry
it's
my
timeout.
A
A
Okay,
with
that
we
do
do
we
have
anybody
else.
I
believe
that
is
all
we
have
on
the
list.
A
Okay,
great
well
with
that
we
can
conclude
the
public
comment
and
dan
I'd
like
to
hand
it
over
to
you
for
a
pretty
significant
matters
from
the
department
part
of
our
evening.
C
Yeah,
thank
you,
alan
as
hal
alluded
to.
We
made
a
slight
adjustment
to
the
agenda,
so
we're
gonna
start
off
by
talking
about
climate
action
and
the
climate
crisis.
C
This
has
been
a
subject
that
I've
been
eager
to
get
on
the
on
the
agenda
and
I
first
just
want
to
thank
open
space
staff
and
climate
initiative
staff
for
sort
of
answering
my
call
and
and
and
working
over
the
summer,
to
put
together
a
joint
presentation
to
you
all.
Obviously
I
don't
think
that
needs
much
of
an
introduction
of
why
we
should
be
talking
about
this
at
the
board
meeting.
But
in
my
tenure
I
don't
think,
we've
had
a
very
a
a
laser
specific
conversation
on
this
topic.
C
Although
a
lot
of
our
work
over
the
years
has
been
related
to
climate
action,
I
don't
think
we've
ever
sort
of
couched
it
into
a
specific
agenda
item.
So
that
was
one
of
my
goals.
Tonight
is
to
give
it
the
credit
that
is
due
with
this
subject
matter
and
the
importance
of
it
and
to
use
tonight's
introductory
conversation
as
a
jump
off
point
for
possible
future
conversations
that
we
would
have
with
our
board.
C
I'm
gonna
in
just
a
minute
turn
things
over
to
john
potter
from
open
space,
who
will
kind
of
briefly
talk
about
the
goals
and
the
subject
matter
that
we're
hoping
to
walk
through
tonight.
But
I
do
want
to
just
introduce
a
couple
of
guests
from
the
clement
initiatives
department,
as
len
referred
to
interim
director
of
climate
initiatives.
C
C
But
before
I
steal
jon's
thunder
I'll
turn
it
over
to
john
potter
to
kind
of
introduce
our
plans
for
tonight.
L
Thanks
dan
and
brett,
I
just
asked
you
to
pull
that
presentation
up
on
the
screen.
If
you
can.
L
So
good
evening
board
members
and
members
of
the
public,
my
name
is
john
potter.
The
resource
and
stewardship
manager
and
I'll
also
be
joined
by
brian
aniker,
our
science
officer
tonight,
from
osmp,
as
well
as
jonathan
and
brett,
we'll
be
covering
four
areas
tonight
next
slide
as
we
delve
into
the
addressing
the
global
climate
crisis
and
the
first,
the
first
of
all,
jonathan
and
brett,
will
tell
us
a
bit
about
their
work
and
provide
us
with
some
current
context
for
the
climate
crisis.
L
Excuse
me,
then,
we
will
drill
down
on
the
second
item,
climate
action,
osmp
efforts
into
and
review
some
of
the
climate
related
work
that
osmp
has
been
doing
before
discussing
some
about
where
we
think
we
might
be
headed.
L
Finally,
we
would
like
to
get
a
sense
of
what
the
board
has
been
thinking
about
with
respect
to
climate
change
and
have
a
discussion
about
the
materials
presented
tonight.
So
I
will
turn
things
over
to
jonathan
now
to
introduce
their
department
and
and
their
the
work
that
they've
been
doing.
M
Great,
thank
you,
john
john.
Can
you
just
verify
they
can
hear
me.
Okay,
great
thanks
super
delighted
to
be
with
you
all
tonight,
mr
chair
board,
members
again,
my
name
is
jonathan
cohen,
I'm
the
acting
director
of
the
climate
initiatives
department.
We
know
you
have
a
full
agenda.
We
want
to
get
to
the
conversation,
so
I'm
going
to
start
with
some
brief
introductory
remarks
and
I
would
just
say,
as
a
quick
note,
the
farmer's
market's
going
on
behind
me.
M
So
please,
let
me
know
he's
making
faces
at
me
through
the
window.
I
appreciate
that
so
I
I
also
want
to
start
with
a
bit
of
appreciation,
particularly
for
the
partnership
with
dan
john
bryan
and
the
entire
open
space
department.
I
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
we
have
really
been
maturing
our
recognition
of
the
importance
of
these
cross-cutting
efforts
and
finding
the
space
within
the
city
organization
to
really
work
effectively
across
our
departments.
So
I
really
wanted
to
amplify
dan's
earlier
comment
in
that.
M
So
I
want
to
just
pick
up
on
this
thread
that
really
we
as
a
department
have
been
accelerating
some
of
our
work
and
really
thinking
very
strategically
about
our
role
within
the
city
organization
and
the
work
that
we're
doing
so.
In
june
of
this
year,
we
updated
city
council
on
a
number
of
key
challenges
and
insights
that
have
emerged
from
our
community's
engagement
and
climate-based
work
for
roughly
20
plus
years.
M
So
I'm
I'm
telling
you
things
that
you
already
know,
but
putting
this
in
the
record
is
important,
that
the
scientific
consensus
also
recognizes
that
we're
in
this
situation,
where
the
planet's
living
systems
are
under
severe
stress.
I
think
we
all
know
that
a
lot
of
that
stems
from
the
destruction
of
biodiversity,
the
over
exploitation
and
mismanagement,
sometimes
of
resources
and,
ultimately,
the
breakdown
of
a
stable
climate.
M
So
we
all
have
participated
in
in
this
history,
where
boulder
has
long
led
on
actions
to
preserve
the
environment,
reduce
our
emissions
and
essentially
tackle
climate
change
with
city
council
and
the
community
consistently
demonstrating
support
for
those
efforts.
So
I
mentioned
science
earlier
well.
The
best
science
is
telling
us
that
we
have
roughly
until
2030,
to
make
the
massive
societal
system
scale
changes
that
we
know
are
required
to
stave
off
the
worst
effects
of
climate
change.
So
in
2019
I'm
going
to
go
back
just
a
little
bit
further.
M
The
city
declared
a
climate
emergency
and
that
triggered
the
development
of
our
climate
mobilization
action
plan
or
cmap.
We,
obviously
we
use
lots
of
acronyms
our
department,
then,
since
2019
has
been
working
on
an
update
to
that
2019
strategy
really
based
on
developing
a
host
of
new
goals
that
are
intended
to
be
formalized
and
adopted
by
council
in
about
a
month
so
in
october,
but,
more
importantly,
we're
really
focusing
on
a
change
in
our
approach,
and
I
want
to
talk
about
those
just
briefly.
M
So,
first
we're
shifting
our
attention
to
what
we're
describing
as
the
systemic
actions,
by
really
widening
our
focus
beyond
energy
systems,
which
has
been
our
traditional
focus
and
beyond
boulder
city
boundaries.
I
think
this
really
requires
a
continuation
and
strengthening
of
the
collaboration
with
our
partners,
other
cities
with
other
governmental
agencies,
and
that
really
helps
us
achieve
impact
at
a
larger
scale,
and
we
can
point
to
lots
of
examples
of
how
we've
been
able
to
do
that.
M
Second
and
extremely
important
to
this
evening's
conversation
is
the
increasingly
urgent
need
to
essentially
reprioritize
our
resilience
to
climate
change
and
to
address
the
inequities
that
climate
change
perpetuates.
So
the
past
months
have
again
provided
this
chilling
reminder
of
the
need
to
prepare
for
a
new
normal
of
extreme
weather
events
that
are
fueled
by
climate
change.
M
I
really
hope
that
this
is
the
beginning
of
a
conversation
that
we
can
have
with
you
all
we're
trying
to
have
this
conversation
with
other
boards
and
commissions
to
really
elevate
the
importance
and
the
cross-cutting
nature
of
the
work
so
brett.
I
want
to
turn
it
over
to
you
and
you
can
kick
off
the
slides.
N
Thanks,
jonathan
and
good
evening
to
the
open
space
board
of
trustees,
my
name
is
brett
kincaran,
I'm
the
senior
policy
advisor
for
climate
and
resilience
for
the
city
and
have
been
a
part
of
the
city's
climate
team.
Now
for
almost
10
years,
I
also
am
staffed
to
the
environmental
advisory
board.
N
So
I
know
through
that
work
what
a
remarkable
amount
of
volunteer
time
and
effort
that
your
board
puts
into
this,
and
I
just
want
to
express
my
appreciation
as
a
both
staff
member
and
a
community
member
for
all
that
you've
contributed
to
our
community.
So
tonight,
I'm
just
going
to
take
you
on
a
little
tour
of
in
some
ways
how
climate
action
itself
as
a
field,
especially
local
jurisdiction
based
climate
action,
is
in
a
state
of
change.
N
Part
of
that
change
started
about
three
years
ago,
when
this
last
major
ipcc
report
came
out
of
obviously
we've
seen
one
more
recently,
but
this
1.5
degree
report
in
many
ways
really
changed
the
fundamental
context
of
climate
action
because
it
it
delivered
several
key
findings.
One
was
that
emissions
reduction
alone
was
no
longer
going
to
be
sufficient
to
stabilize
climate
that,
in
fact,
we
were
going
to
have
to
grow
to
a
very
significant
scale,
efforts
to
draw
carbon
down
to
stop
the
already
aggravated,
and
this
accelerating
actions
of
climate
change.
N
Another
important
finding
of
this
report,
though,
was
also
that
climate
change
was
going
to
be
advancing
so
rapidly
that
we
were
now
going
to
have
to
shift
a
significant
amount
of
our
attention
to
preparing
communities
for
these
changes
and
that
really,
in
a
way,
has
led
to
a
reframing
of
what
climate
action
is.
In
fact,
when
we
went
to
council
in
june,
we
said
to
them
climate
action.
N
We
used
to
define
climate
action
exclusively
as
emissions
reduction-related
efforts,
and
even
I
would
say,
sequestration
fits
into
that
category
of
mitigation
because
it's
designed
to
somehow
stabilize
global
climate.
But
in
fact
now,
climate
action
must
contain
not
only
that
both
the
emissions
reduction
and
sequestration,
but
it
also
needs
to
include
how
we're
going
to
adapt
and
be
resilient
to
these
changes
and
how
we're
going
to
address
the
fundamental
inequities
that
our
system
has
built
into.
Who
is
most
vulnerable
and
most
impacted
by
those
changes?
N
Now,
of
course,
we've
most
recently,
just
literally,
was
it
two
or
three
weeks
ago
seen
this
most
recent
report
from
the
ipcc
and
I'm
sure,
you've
seen
this
quote
from
the
u.n
secretary
general,
who
said
this
is
a
code
red
moment
for
the
human
species.
Alarm
bells
are
ringing
at
a
deafening
level.
The
evidence
is
irrefutable
that
humans
are
causing
climate
change
and,
of
course,
I
think,
as
you
know,
in
fact,
two
years
ago,
we,
our
council,
was
a
part
of
a
whole
movement
internationally
of
claiming
a
climate
emergency.
N
Now,
just
what
does
this
mean
and
where
might
we
be
headed
in
our
own
local
context?
So
when
we
published
our
last
climate
action
report,
we
leaned
heavily
on
the
western
water
assessments,
assessment
of
climate
change
trajectories,
and
they
used
an
analogy
that
said
under
a
two
degrees,
fahrenheit
increase
our
climate
locally
would
be
more
similar
to
pueblos,
but
that,
in
fact,
in
that
report,
the
upper
bounds
of
that
was
a
six
degree
change
which
would
put
our
climate
roughly
into
this
sort
of
characteristic
of
of
the
albuquerque
area.
N
Now
landscapes
differ
obviously,
but
the
conditions
which,
of
course
give
rise
to
landscape
form
are
shifting
very
significantly
so
what's
causing
this
well,
I
think
we
are
very
familiar
with
this
depiction
of
what
has
caused
climate
change.
This
is
a
a
graph
of
the
emissions
that
humans
have
generated
primarily
out
of
the
burning
of
fossil
fuels.
N
That
really
takes
off
with
the
industrial
revolution
in
the
late
1800s,
and
you
see
atmospheric
carbon
rising
to
match
that.
So
this
has
been
the
sort
of
accepted
sense
of
what's
causing
climate
change.
However,
more
recently
we've
begun
to
realize
that
simultaneous
to
that
set
of
curves
the
human
species
was
also
beginning
to
use
industrial,
agriculture
and
other
forms
of
land
management
in
ways
that
were
also
decarbonizing
living
systems,
and
so
in
fact
there
was
a
report
that
came
out
about
or
an
analysis
that
came
out
earlier
this
year.
N
That
basically
look
in
this
case
just
at
soil
carbon
and
indicated
that
over
the
last
12
000
years,
our
form
of
agriculture
has
released
something
like
133
gigatons
of
carbon
into
the
atmosphere.
Also
so,
as
you
can
see,
that
graph
on
the
right
very
closely
resembles
that
graph,
that
mapped
emissions
from
energy
systems
to
climate
change
or
to
the
to
the
change
of
co2
in
the
atmosphere.
So
the
point
here
is
just
that.
N
So,
in
a
sense,
a
really
big
part
of
the
climate
solution
is
to
recarbonize
these
landscapes
and
that's
a
part
of
not
only
achieving
a
global
objective
but
actually,
as
we'll
see,
has
very
important
local
benefits
as
well.
So
one
thing-
that's
kind
of
useful
to
do
in
a
sense
is
to
actually
remember
that
we've
we
sort
of
vilified
carbon,
but
in
fact
carbon
is
it's
it's
a
keystone
to
all
life.
N
I
mean
we
literally
consume
carbon,
two
or
three
or
four,
maybe
five
times
in
my
case
a
day
carbon
to
just
keep
us
going.
That
is
the
fuel
on
which
most
organic
life
both
runs
and
is
built.
Now,
it's
also
interesting
to
note
that
carbon
and
water
have
a
very
close
affinity
to
each
other.
As
we
all
know,
they'll
help
more
healthy.
N
Remember
that
the
report
we
just
submitted
last
year
told
you
that
we
were
going
to
need
to
rapidly
increase
carbon
drawdown.
Well,
guess
what
the
only
way
we
actually
know
how
to
do
that
at
scale
is
by
managing
living
systems.
So
that's
what's
followed.
That,
of
course,
is
a
whole
series
of
other
science.
This
is
a
report
that
came
out
in
2017
as
a
global
analysis
of
natural
climate
solutions.
N
The
following
year,
a
u.s
based
natural
climate
solutions,
analysis
was
delivered,
but
basically
it
comes
up
with
this
sense
that
a
very
significant
part
of
what
we
need
to
do
now
to
stabilize
climate
can
be
done
and
needs
to
be
done
through
how
we
manage
land.
So,
let's
think
about
that
now
in
a
little
bit
more
of
a
local
context,
and
this
is
very
important,
what
do
we
get
when
we
start
to
recarbonize
landscapes?
N
Well,
for
one
thing:
if
we
direct
that
carbon
into
trees,
for
example
or
shrubs
by
the
way
we
can
start
to
increase
shading,
which
we
are
going
to
need
desperately,
as
we
have
seen
from
this
summer,
we
can
also
increase
water
retention.
Now,
there's
a
lot
more
research
that
needs
to
be
done
around
this,
but
there's
a
lot
of
intriguing
assessments
that
show
that
for
small
increases
in
soil
carbon,
you
can
significantly
increase
the
amount
of
water
holding
in
that
area.
N
We
can
also,
of
course,
change
the
the
distribution
of
these
extremities
by
how
we
create
buffering
through
these
vegetative
systems
oops,
and
we
can
also
increase
the
the
increase
of
biodiversity.
Of
course,
from
doing
that,
and
also
sometimes
unrecognized
is
increasing.
The
amount
of
carbon
in
a
system
can
also
be
managed
in
ways
that
detoxify
systems,
as
we
all
know,
there's
a
significant
increase
in
these
toxins
from
the
neonics
and
others.
N
And
finally-
and
I
would
almost
say
this-
is
the
last
thing
we
would
even
talk
about-
is
the
carbon
that
we're
sort
of
counting
in
our
global
carbon
accounting.
So
all
of
these
things
are
things
that
can
actually
be
delivered
into
our
local
environment
through
managing
carbon
into
living
systems.
So,
where
we're
really
going
with
this
is
that
carbon
is
no
longer,
we
should
not
see.
Carbon
is
simply
a
villain.
We
should
actually
see
it
as
a
part
of
the
solution.
N
N
We
need
to
use
that
carbon
in
thoughtful
and
effective
ways,
so
I'm
getting
close
to
being
done
here,
but
this
is
a
framework
that
we've
started
to
develop
for
how
to
think
about
what
the
various
forms
of
landscape
based
climate
action
might
look
like
and
where
we
would
act
basically,
that
there
are
these
roughly
five
natural
areas
that
we
can
manage
for
forests,
agricultural
systems,
parks
and
grasslands,
greenways
and
riparian
zones
in
the
coastal
context.
N
Also,
aquatic
systems
are
important,
and
it's
interesting
to
note
that
the
organics
and
you
know,
as
cities
are
a
massive
conduit
of
organic
materials,
both
food
materials,
the
other
materials
from
our
landscapes
and
so
on
those
organics.
We
need
to
be
thinking
about
and
managing
also
quite
carefully,
because
they
can
augment
and
help
us
do
that
recarbonization
in
these
landscapes,
so
just
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
work
that
we're
starting
to
do
now.
This
is
you
know
about
this
work
quite
well.
N
This
is
my
son
nathaniel
he's
standing
out
on
the
bennett
property
in
2018.
As
we
were
just
getting
started
with
lauren
kolb
and
others
to
look
at
what
we
were
going
to
do
out
on
that
site,
as
you
know,
we've
tried
quite
a
number
of
different
things,
from
compost
to
biochar
to
key
line
plowing
and
we've
been
starting
to
make
some
real
progress
out
there.
N
Now
it's
not
though
it's
I
want
to
just
note
that
this
is
the
only
the
beginning
of
the
places
that
we've
started
to
work.
So
this
is
really
in
this
context
of
the
of
the
of
starting
to
see
that
the
land
is
one
of
our
critical
allies
in
this
climate
work.
So
I
want
to
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
our
work
in
urban
forests
as
just
kind
of
a
counterpoint
to
that
work
that
we
essentially.
N
You
and
osmp,
and
the
board
of
trustees
thinking
about
in
our
agricultural
lands,
so
urban
forests.
Well,
how
significant
could
urban
forests
be
in
the
total
context?
It
turns
out
quite
significant.
An
analysis
done
suggests
that
trees
and
settlements,
that
is
trees
in
any
community
of
over
1500
people,
account
for
something
like
15
plus
percent
of
all
the
forest
carbon
that's
being
captured
in
the
united
states
and,
as
we
know
in
the
wildland
context,
these
forests
are
more
and
more
unstable
because
of
the
fire
regimes.
N
That
one
of
the
advantages
in
an
urban
context
is
that
we
can
keep
these
landscapes
water,
hopefully,
and
therefore
keep
that
carbon
sink
in
place.
We're
also
starting
to
realize
that,
of
course,
I
mean
I
love
this
slide.
This
is
from
a
new
york
times
article
earlier
this
year,
like
oh,
my
god.
What
technology
could
help
us
reduce
heat
deaths
in
cities?
Oh
as
it
turns
out
trees.
N
So
if
we
actually
were
to
get
serious
about
our
efforts
to
expand
urban
forests,
there's
a
lot
that
we
could
do
to
address
some
of
these
climate
change
induced
threats
and
in
fact,
we'll
see.
This
is
one
of
the
things
that
we've
been
working
on
this
past
year.
So
the
city
of
boulder
has
been
an
active
member
of
launching
both
a
national,
regional
and
soon
coming
local
urban
forestry
expansion
strategy.
N
We
work
with
regional
partners
to
build
a
front
range:
regional
urban
forestry
expansion
strategy,
and
this
coming
year
in
boulder,
we'll
launch
one
of
the
first
climate
action
strategies
focused
on
urban
forestry
that
I
think
most
cities
have
ever
done.
It'll
be
one
of
the
first
times
that
urban
forestry
is
actually
framed
as
a
climate
action
strategy.
N
So
I
just
want
to
note
that
this
is
multi-functional.
So
yes,
it's
about
carbon.
Yes,
it's
about
shade,
but
it's
also
about
some
very
important
dynamics
around
biodiversity
corridors
and
other
aspects
that
we
need
to
be
thinking
about
too.
So
this
is
work
that
rela
abernathy,
that
many
of
you
know,
working
in
the
planning
department
has
been
doing
to
build
out
pollinator
corridors,
and
what
we're
starting
to
really
see
is
that
these
are
essentially
carbon,
rich
corridors
that
can
serve
multiple
functions,
biodiversity,
cooling,
sort
of
shade
and
other
functions
of
that
sort
as
well.
N
N
L
Thanks
brad,
that
was,
that
was
really
great.
Jonathan
and
brett
have
really
set
the
stage
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
L
They've
really
set
the
stage,
but
we
did
want
to
give
you
a
more
complete
sense
of
how
osmp
has
been
incorporating
climate
action
into
its
operations
over
the
years
and
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
the
really
the
five
main
areas
where
the
department
has
been
taking
climate
action
are
protecting
land,
of
course,
acquiring
open
space
for
protection
and
mitigation.
That's
first.
L
So
protecting
land,
of
course,
has
been
the
primary
climate
change
defense
that
osmp
and
arguably
the
city
as
a
whole
has
implemented
with
an
investment
of
over
250
million
in
land
purchases.
Over
the
years,
this
protected
holding
of
46
000
acres
of
land
means
46,
000
acres,
that,
instead
of
contributing
to
climate
warming
through
urban
development,
is
instead
used
to
re-carbonize
the
landscape
as
brett
put
it
and
allows
us
a
place
to
build
our
soil
and
vegetation
and
bring
carbon
into
it
back
down
into
the
landscape.
L
In
addition,
as
you
know,
we've
put
a
focus
on
the
restoration
of
irrigated
agricultural
fields
to
prevent
soil
loss
during
arid
and
windy
conditions
beyond
soils.
As
you
know,
mitigating
fire
risk
through
forest
health
management
has
been
a
long-standing
effort
in
the
department
that
is
part
of
part
adaptive
to
climate
change
and
also
trying
to
get
out
ahead
of
what
might
be
coming.
L
And
so,
since
the
adoption
of
the
forest
ecosystem
management
plan
in
1999,
our
work
on
mitigating
fires
has
led
to
over
2
000
acres
of
the
highest
priority
stands
in
the
wildland
urban
interface
that
have
been
thinned
across
the
osmp
system.
L
The
crew
size
and
operating
budget
for
forest
work
has
been
gradually
increasing
over
the
years
and
was
further
increased
just
this
year
to
the
point
where
we
are
now
averaging
over
10
000
work
hours
on
forestry
projects
each
year.
Reducing
our
footprint
is
in
addition
to
protecting
the
land,
building,
soil
and
mitigating
fires.
L
We've
done
facility
improvements
on
many
of
our
facilities,
such
as
adjusting
heating
and
cooling
thresholds,
participating
in
zero
waste
initiatives,
replacing
gas
water
heaters
with
electric
replacing
aging
hvac
units
with
electric
efficient
heat
pumps
and
incorporating
geothermal
and
solar
photovoltaics
into
our
renovation
projects.
L
L
So
in
may,
we
completed
an
analysis
of
the
2021
workplace,
osmp
work
plan
to
try
to
understand
how
much
effort
was
going
into
climate-related
actions
this
year.
This
entailed
breaking
down
the
strategies
in
the
master
plan
to
determine
which
ones
were
climate
related,
so
that
we
could
assess
projects
across
the
department
next
slide.
L
L
We
consider
seven
of
these
46
department
strategies
to
be
direct
climate
related
activities,
and
these
are
the
ones
indicated
by
a
red
star
on
this
chart.
They
are
three
tier
one
strategies
addressing
conflicts
between
agriculture
and
prairie
dogs,
addressing
the
global
climate
crisis
here
and
now,
and
increasing
soil
health
and
resilience.
L
L
So,
with
about
41
of
the
master
plan
strategies
being
in
some
way,
climate
related,
we
wanted
to
see
how
that
was
transitioning.
Back
aside,
we
wanted
to
see
how
that
was
translating
to
the
actual
work
that
we
set
out
to
do
this
year
so
of
the
hundred
and
of
the
291
primary
projects
in
the
2021
work
plan.
L
L
In
addition,
41
percent
of
the
department's
planned
work
hours
are
resourced
to
these
140
projects.
So,
overall
we
found
that
somewhere
40
to
60
percent
of
the
department's
effort.
This
year
is
going
towards
climate.
Related
work
listed
are
five
examples
of
projects
in
the
work
plan
that
contribute
specifically
to
addressing
the
global
climate
crisis.
L
These
are
among
the
highest
scoring
climate
projects
on
total
percentage
of
climate
related
strategy
as
a
goal
of
the
project,
including
regenerating
soils
on
leased
properties
participating
in
the
state,
highway,
100
state,
highway,
119,
bikeway
effort
implementing
forest
thinning
projects,
facility
assessment
repairs
and
vehicle
and
equipment.
Preventive
maintenance
next
slide.
O
So
in
the
short
term,
as
john
mentioned,
we've
transitioned
three
positions
from
temporary
to
permanent
each
of
these
three
positions
has
quite
a
lot
of
climate
action
built
in
to
their
job
descriptions.
The
soil,
health
coordinator
position,
the
prairie
dog
management
position
and
a
wildlife
ecology
position.
O
As
john
mentioned,
we're
scaling
up
restoration
projects,
like
you
heard
about
for
the
fuel
mitigation
effort,
we're
working
with
ag
tenants
to
make
sure
their
operations
are
as
climate
adapted
as
as
possible
and
in
the
next
matters
from
the
department.
I'll
tell
you
a
little
bit
more
about
some
of
our
research
efforts
on
climate
change
impacts
next
slide,
please.
O
O
When
we
look
at
a
piece
of
land,
we
describe
a
set
of
historic
reference
conditions,
we'd
like
to
see
that
land
within
when
the
current
conditions
are
outside
of
those
boundaries.
We
use
the
tools
of
restoration
to
try
to
return
that
land
back
to
its
historic
conditions,
with
the
rate
of
global
warming
and
compounding
stressors.
However,
those
tools
are
not
always
found
to
be
successful
and
we're
not
confident
that
we're
going
to
always
be
able
to
use
restoration
to
have
success
in
this
way.
O
Thank
you
to
left
hand
watershed
center
and
lv
brown
studios
for
these
graphics.
The
top
middle
box
is
the
current
conditions.
Let's
just
say
for
one
of
our
ponderosa
pine
stands
where
you've
got
a
high
density
of
trees
in
the
overstory,
creating
close
canopy
conditions
with
little
bit
of
sunlight
reaching
the
forest
floor.
Little
forest
vegetation
in
the
understory
and
absent
are
a
lot
of
the
indicator.
Wildlife
we'd
like
to
see
there.
O
The
rad
framework
tells
us.
We
have
three
choices
for
responding
to
these
current
conditions,
which
are
well
outside
the
historic
expectations
due
to
that
100
years
of
fire
suppression
and
climate
warming.
Choice.
One
is
to
try
to
resist
the
trajectory
of
this
change,
using
the
tools
that
we
have
in
our
restoration
toolbox,
cutting
down
trees
for
spinning,
adding
fire
to
the
landscape,
prescribed
fire
and,
in
so
doing
in
the
bottom
left
graphic.
O
O
What
are
we
going
to
do
about
those
forest
stands
that
we
can't
get
into
to
treat
because
they're
too
steep
or
difficult
to
access?
And,
moreover,
is
this
open?
Ponderosa
pints,
then,
are
really
going
to
be
sustainable
if
we're
going
to
be
inheriting
a
climate
from
southern
colorado
or
the
climate
from
new
mexico.
O
The
second
choice
is
to
accept
the
transitions
that
are
coming,
and
this
would
be
our
no
action
decision.
O
We
let
the
catastrophic
wildfire
come
through
killing
all
the
mature
trees
and
the
overstory,
possibly
sterilizing
the
forest
soils
preventing
any
further
tree
regeneration,
leaving
in
its
wake
a
lot
of
course,
woody
debris
and
a
forest
opening
questions
about
this
choice
are.
Are
we
prepared
to
accept
this
net
loss
of
forest
from
the
osmp
lands?
O
That's
a
controversial
choice,
because
wild
pinyon
pine
is
known
for
boulder
county.
It
is
not
on
the
species
list
for
osmp
lands.
So,
by
choosing
to
introduce
it,
we'd
be
bringing
in
a
novel
species
to
the
system
and,
along
with
that,
comes
all
the
other
uncertainty
around.
What's
going
to
happen,
will
those
trees
survive
what
other
species
are
going
to
come
with
it?
What
is
it
going
to
do
to
water
relations?
What
will
happen
to
insects
and
pests?
A
lot
of
uncertainty
around
that?
O
However,
we
don't
have
to
make
huge
decisions
like
that
to
direct
a
transition
from
a
ponderosa
pine
forest
to
opinion
pine
forest.
We
can
do
this
much
more
surgically,
introducing
so,
let's
say
we're
going
to
still
manage
towards
the
pine
spanner,
but
we
might
introduce
some
species
that
are
a
little
more
xeric
adapted
and
that
are
known
from
the
open
space
system.
O
We
might
manage
for
some
component
of
carbon
or
structural
and
composition,
but
not
not
a
whole
overturn
of
these
historic
conditions.
We
can
just
do
some
parts
of
it
and,
moreover,
when
we
have
a
lot
of
uncertainty
like
this,
that's
where
science
can
come
to
our
aid
and
using
scientific
experiments
and
demonstrations.
O
O
It's
just
a
matter
of
finding
the
right
places
and
conditions
where
we
might
choose
to
resist
or
accept
or
direct,
but
by
bringing
the
rad
framework
to
osmp.
What
we
gain
is
a
new
set
of
vocabulary
for
talking
about
these
decisions,
but
also
opening
up
our
minds
a
little
bit
beyond
the
conventional
approach
of
conservation
preservation,
restoration
towards
the
situations
where
we
might
have
to
make
decisions
where
we're
accepting
inevitable
change,
we're
actually
making
some
choices
to
direct
it
towards
some
future
conditions.
L
Next
slide,
thanks
brian,
that
that
summarizes
our
presentation
on
where
we
are
ahead,
the
climate
context,
the
actions
we've
been
taking
and
where
some
of
the
things
we've
been
grappling
with
on,
where
we
might
be
headed
next
slide.
L
So
now,
we'd
like
to
get
into
a
discussion
and
feedback,
and
so
how,
before
I
turn
it
back
over
to
you.
L
These
were
some
of
the
questions
that
we
were
hoping
that
might
stimulate
a
conversation
and
that
we'd
really
love
to
hear
from
the
board
about
is
is
really
what
what's
keeping
board
members
up
at
night
regarding
climate
change
and
do
you
have
thoughts
about
the
city,
the
work
the
climate
initiative
is
doing
and
osmp
are
doing
for
more
climate
action,
and
you
know
we'd
be
really
curious
to
hear
any
thoughts
that
you
have
along
those
lines.
A
Well,
thank
you,
jonathan
john,
so
many
folks,
this
is
a
very
impressive
overview
from
the
macro
to
the
micro.
Brett,
certainly
appreciated
everything
you
brought
to
that.
I'm
really
deeply
considering
how
nicely
you
touched
on
so
many
areas.
I
guess
I'll
open
it
straight
up
to
co-board
members
about
what
questions
and
and
concerns
and
what
is
keeping
us
up
at
night
on
all
this
caroline.
E
Hey
thanks
so
much
for
your
presentation.
You
guys
everyone
involved
in
making
it.
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions,
so
our
our
climate,
let
me
get
to
the
right
place
on
my
notes
here,
so
we're
called
the
the
climate
initiatives.
Sorry
still
reading
us
and
talking.
E
My
question
is:
in
the
fund
financials
for
the
year
2021,
it's
actually
listed
under
climate
action
reserve
fund,
and
I
think
that
maybe
I'm
just
not
following
or
understanding
what
what
is
going
on
within
the
department
for
the
numbers
to
have
gone
down
so
considerably
from
what
they
were
in
2020,
I'm
assuming
it
it's
it's
something
with
the
tax
and
then
why
it
goes
from
2.4
million
in
2020
to
the
almost
350
000
in
2021,
which
is
where
it
seems
to
kind
of
stay
up
until
2026..
E
Does
anyone
have
any
idea
what
I'm
talking
about
with
those
numbers.
M
So
carolyn,
let
me
just
so
again
jonathan
again
and
I'm
to
see
if
we
can
maybe
limp
our
way
to
an
answer
here.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
clear
when
we're
looking
at.
I
don't
know
what
document
you're
looking
at
is.
E
E
G
E
Is
for
for,
I
would
assume,
for
their
department
osmps
on
a
different
page,
not
page
264.,.
M
Maybe
I
can
maybe
I
can
answer
it
this
way,
so
the
the
funds
that
really
underpin
my
department's
work
come
from
a
variety
of
sources.
First
yeah.
I
think
what
you're
looking
at
is
the
general
fund,
because
our
funds
come
from
the
utility
occupation
tax,
and
that
is
what
funds
our
energy
related
work.
We
also
have
our
climate
action
plan
tax,
that's
the
cap
tax
or
carbon
tax
and
that
funds
the
majority
of
our
climate
work.
M
There
is
a
small
amount
that
is
dedicated
from
the
general
fund
and
that
is
specific
to
some
waste
reduction
programs,
but
we
also
have
a
third
part
of
money
that
is
the
trash
tax,
and
so
I'm
not
looking
at.
If
we,
if
we
happen
to
go
on
to
another
question,
I
can
verify,
but
I'm
I'm
fairly
certain
that
what
you
are
looking
at
is
the
general
fund
allocation
to
our
department
and
doesn't
reflect
the
other
funding
sources.
M
Because
I
will
just
conclude
by
saying
that
that
our
overall
budget
as
a
department
is,
is
fairly
stable.
We
are
going
to
be
going
back
to
city
council
early
next
year,
because
our
cap
tax,
which
generates
about
1.8
million
dollars
annually
most
of
those
funds,
goes
into
our
programs,
incentives,
funding,
much
of
our
energy
work,
etc,
and
a
lot
of
what
brett
is
doing.
M
That
tax
actually
expires
in
early
2023
and
so
we'll
be
looking
to
go
back
to
the
ballot
in
2022.
M
So
between
the
three-
and
I
can't
give
you
the
full
amount,
it's
roughly
about
6.4
million
dollars
between
the
three
funds,
and
so
that
is
again
dedicated
to
the
energy
work
and
the
excel
partnership.
So
that's
the
utility
occupation
tax
and
I
I
can
give
you
the
right
number
just
to
make
sure
and
I
can
either
drop
it
in
the
text
or
come
back
with
it.
So
that's
the
uot
that
is
the
climate
action
plan
tax,
that
is,
the
trash
tax
and
a
small
general
fund
allocation.
A
G
What
keeps
me
up
at
night
is
that
I
see
I
don't
know
whether
it's
a
half
a
dozen
or
a
dozen
city,
staffers
working
and
doing
great
stuff,
like
you
all,
have
just
presented
on
this
and
that
the
community
really
doesn't
understand
either
what
you're
doing
why
you're
doing
it
or
it's
relevance.
G
I've
heard
you
give
presentations
before
city
council
on
this
same
thing,
brett
and
jonathan-
and
I
know
city
council
understand
it,
said,
understands
it,
and
I
know
the
kind
of
people
who
are
part
of
energy
action
understand
it.
But
then
there
are
another
100
100
000
residents
of
boulder
and
the
ones
that
I
have
interacted
with
recently
have
no
clue
what
carbon
sequestration
is.
G
Even
though
they've
all
gone
to
high
school
and
they've
all
studied
high
school
biology
photosynthesis,
they
have
never
put
it
all
together
and-
and
I
don't
think
they
understand
what
happens
with
our
native
grasslands
or
forests
and
how
they're
sequestering
carbon
and
the
their
value
as
john
just
presented
in
addressing
climate
change.
It's
not
just
that.
G
We've
spent
250
million
dollars
acquiring
tens
of
thousands
of
acres,
but
it's
the
value
of
the
ecological
processes
that
are
happening
on
those
acres
that
are
high
quality
and
well
preserved,
and
I
think,
to
address
my
up
at
night
kind
of
concerns.
We
must
have
a
really
robust
education
program
that
takes
citizens
older
residents
out
on
the
land
and
enables
them
to
to
see
and
understand
and
learn
about
the
ways
that
high
quality
habitat
as
well
as
cultivated
ag
lands
sequester
carbon
and
why
that
contributes
to
reducing
climate
change
impacts.
G
N
I
I
think,
you're
really
right
karen,
I
just
to
say
a
couple
quick
things
I
one
is:
I
think
that
sometimes
in
climate
action
we
haven't
done
a
very
good
job,
moving
out
of
abstractions,
like
greenhouse
gases
and
tons
of
carbon
into
things
that
are
really
meaningful
and
important
to
people,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we're
going
to
launch
a
climate
action
campaign
around
urban
forests.
So
we
can
actually
connect
people
directly
to
some
part
of
the
living
world.
N
That's
actually
going
to
do
something
in
their
front
yard
or
their
backyard,
or
in
the
right
of
way
that
they
can
see,
touch,
feel
and
especially
stand
under
and
know
the
difference
between
where,
when
you
have
it
or
don't
have
it.
I
also
just
want
to
agree
with
you
that
around
education
that
we
absolutely
have
to
do
as
much
of
that
as
we
can
it's
interesting
to
note
that
the
open
space
staff
was
actually
having
a
meeting
on
outdoor
education
and
engagement
today.
N
So
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
thought
and
work
going
on
in
that
area,
but
I
also
just
want
to
commend
you
and
others
for
the
work
that
you're
doing
for
the
center
for
sustainable
landscapes
and
communities
and
how
that
entity
is
now
taking
on
that
bi-annual
reporting
on
ecosystems
trends
as
a
part
of
the
trends
report
with
boulder
county.
I
think
that's
another
part
of
that
education.
D
So
brett
what
you
just
referenced
actually
keeps
me
up
at
night
and
that
is
in
a
semi-arid
environment.
What
we're
talking
about.
We
in
boulder
have
the
luxury
of
being
able
to
do
this,
and
that
is
using
all
the
water
that
we
can
think
of
or
have
in
order
to
deal
with
some
of
these
climate
issues,
and
my
concern
is
that
you
know
especially
urban
forests.
D
You
know
species
that
actually
do
occur
here
and
especially
as
as
brian
was
mentioning
as
as
you
know,
the
the
climate
variables
start
changing.
You
know
we
ought
to
be
looking
at
far
more.
You
know,
removal
of
of
you
know
urban
lawns,
kentucky
bluegrass
lawns
that
are
very
water,
dependent
and
starting
to
look
at
things
that
are
are
certainly
less
water
dependent.
D
We
boulder
is
among
the
front
range
communities,
that's
actually
de-watering
colorado
and
we
had
may
have
the
luxury
of
doing
that,
but
I
I
think
we
better
start
walking
the
walk
in
instead
of
talking
the
talk
and-
and
that's
the
one
of
the
concerns
for
me,
is
that
I
think
we
are
miss
targeting
what
we
really
need
to
be
focused
on,
and
we
know
that
the
native
grasslands
can
sequester
carbon
as
effectively
as
any
kind
of
woody
organism,
and
we
in
fact
ought
to
be
promoting
that,
because
those
are
the
ecosystems
that
actually
have
thrived
here
over
thousands
of
years
and
they're,
the
ones
that
are
going
to
be
here.
D
You
know
after
climate
change
occurs
as
well,
so
I'm
really
concerned
about
the
fact
that
you
know
boulder
has
has
a
plethora
of
water
and
it's
able
to
do
this,
but
in
fact
I
do
think
that
we're
misguiding
on
the
the
community
and
saying
that
we
should
focus
on
urban
forests
when,
in
fact,
in
a
semi-arid
environment,
you
know
that
that's
not
the
the
predominant
ecosystem
that
survives
here.
P
N
Just
really
quickly,
I
agree
with
you
dave.
The
one
thing
I
would
just
note
is
that
in
fact,
a
couple
of
things
we
are
working
now
to
launch
initiatives
to
start
supporting
people
in
removing
lawns,
which
are
the
really
big
water
consumption
landscape
in
the
urban
context,
while
also
looking
at
ways
that
we
can
create
watering
systems
that
can
keep
the
trees
alive,
even
if
we
were
significantly
reducing
the
amount
of
turf
out
there.
N
I
would
just
note
that
it's
you
know
it's
an
established
fact
that
the
temperatures
in
a
shaded
area
can
be
10
to
20
degrees,
lower
than
those
areas
that
aren't
shaded
and
that
there's
going
to
be
a
high
premium,
as
we
enter
into
these
extreme
heat
periods
of
having
that
kind
of
shade.
So
we've
got
to
somehow
balance
that
need
for
basic
human
comfort
and
even
survival
with
the
kinds
of
landscapes
that
we
live
in.
Urban
landscapes
are
by
their
nature,
sort
of
unnatural
in
that
kind
of
a
context.
D
Yes,
I
I
agree,
and
the
urban
heat
island
concept
is,
is
certainly
evident
here
when
when
we
first
moved
to
boulder
a
long
time
ago,
you
know
very
few
people
had
air
conditioning,
even
the
need
for
that.
D
There
were
very
few
days
in
the
90
degrees
range
that
we
experienced
and,
and
now
without
air
conditioning
you
know,
conditions
in
boulder,
you
know
can
be,
can
be
somewhat
challenging
and
difficult,
and-
and
I
think
by
using
air
conditioning,
you
know
basically
we're
we're
contributing
to
the
you
know
that
whole
heat,
island
effect
and
yeah
shade
is
important.
But
I
also
think
that
you
know
the
suitable
structures
also
are
extremely
important,
and
we
again
we
have
looked
at
the
northern
european
and
eastern.
D
You
know
well-watered
environments
that
we've
all
kind
of
grown
up
in
and
think
that
that's
you
know
where
our
focus
should
be,
and
I
I
think,
if
we're
looking
at
albuquerque
as
as
kind
of
where
we're
headed,
we
might
want
to
look
at.
You
know
how
how
the
native
people
there,
you
know,
survived
those
kinds
of
conditions
for
thousands
of
years.
A
Thanks
dave,
I
have
just
a
couple
quick
thoughts
I
wanted
to
share
for
me.
It
was
uniquely
difficult
this
year
that
when
the
un
report
came
out,
we
were
so
specifically
choked
out
with
smoke
here
in
town,
and
I
would
believe
I'm
not.
The
only
person
who
did
some
thinking
about
that.
One
thing
I'm
concerned
about
is
that
we
support
a
lot
of
urban
forest
in
sort
of
interface
here
in
boulder.
There
is
massive
investment
in
fire
management
in
these
areas.
A
Looking
at
the
city
budget
to
explore
to
what
extent
we
are
are
not
subsidizing
development
in
the
closen
hills
and
what
it
is
actually
costing
us
to
get
mitigate
for
for
fire
and
also,
I
think,
to
be
prepared
with
some
basic
carbon
accounting
to
answer
questions
in
the
community
when
we're
preparing
to
do
prescribed
burns
or
if
we
are
going
to
be
burning,
fossil
fuels,
shipping
material
to
try
and
re
remove
source
fuels
from
the
forest.
A
It
just
seems
like
for
me.
I
find
myself
you
know
thinking
about
this
more
than
most,
but
still
deeply
confused
on
what
the
the
right
way
forward
in
all
that
is.
It
feels
like
just
a
morass
of
investment
with
no
improvements
seen,
and
so
I
guess
that
that's
kind
of
what
keeps
me
up
is
is
how
fire
and
naturally
occurring
smoke
plays
into
this,
not
only
factually
in
terms
of
the
accounting,
but
also
in
terms
of
people's
perceptions.
E
Sorry,
I
was
waiting
to
see
if
someone
else
wanted
to
talk
kind
of
going
off
of
what
you
said
hal
about
the
basic
accounting
for
carbon.
E
I
I
actually
feel
that
it
should
be
as
advanced
and
specific
as
it
can
possibly
be,
because
I
think
that
if
every
city
in
town
in
america
and
every
department
within
those
were
able
to
really
take
a
good
hard
look
at
what
that
carbon
credit
carbon
trading
carbon
prices,
I
I
think
that
every
single
city
in
town
would
be
broke
if
they,
if
they
saw
what
what
they're
putting
out
and
what
they're
getting
back.
E
So
I
guess
my
question
is
related
to
that,
have
we
discussed
or
who
that
would
would
need
to
be
with
with
a
carbon
pricing
system.
I
would
love
to
see
one
for
open
space.
You
know
to
see
what
the
emissions
covered
are.
There
is
a
couple
of
new
economic
reports
out
that
say
that
the
price
is
around
71
dollars
per
ton.
E
That's
that's
the
price
of
carbon
and
even
more
than
that,
the
the
social
costs
are
around
a
hundred
dollars
per
ton
so
and
there
there's
all
different
kinds
of
setups
and
systems
for
doing
something
like
that,
and
I'm
sure
that
the
numbers
would
would
probably
look
very
scary
for
for
any
any
department
or
even
someone
in
their
their
personal
finances.
E
But
is
this
something
that,
when
you
guys
talk
about
money
and
budget
with
the
city
that
anyone
has
spoken
about
being
really
open
to
getting
real
about
what
these
costs
are
and
and
what
it
is
going
to
look
like
down
the
road,
because
the
reports
that
came
out
that
discussed
what's
going
to
happen
around
2030
are
are
factually
true.
So
the
sooner
you
you
know,
I
say
you
the
sooner
any,
and
everyone
starts
to
really
take
a
line
item
approach
to
what
they're
putting
out
and
what
they're
getting
back.
N
Caroline,
I
think
it's
such
an
important
topic
and
one
that's
got
some
very
significant
challenges
around
it
like,
for
example,
like
what
happened.
What
would
happen
if
boulder
decided
that
we
were
going
to
impose
on
our
community
a
cost
of
carbon
in
the
say,
50
to
100
a
ton
range
when
nobody
around
us
is
doing
that,
and
so
it's
this
kind
of
challenge
of
the
commons.
N
If
you
will
so,
we
really
need
to
be
thinking
about
how
we
can
engage
in
that
kind
of
economic
adjustment
at
a
larger
level,
where
more
of
the
system
actually
is
participating
in
it.
So,
but
I
think
that
there
are
ways
that
we
can
start
taking
steps
in
that
direction.
So
actually
lauren
kolb,
the
soil
health
coordinator
for
osmp,
has
been
gathering
the
data
on
different
methods
of
assessing
the
carbon
drawdown
capability
of
soils
so
that
we
could
look
at
actually
potentially
building
some
economic
value
around
that
so
we're
starting
on
the
soil
side.
N
With
that,
on
the
urban
forest
side,
we've
been
working
with
an
organization
called
city
forest
credits
to
look
at
actually
building
an
urban
forest
carbon
offset
that
could
be
sold
in
this
case
at
about
say,
30,
a
ton
which
is
about
three
times
what
the
normal
market
price
is,
which
is,
of
course,
distortedly
low.
So
I
think
it's
a
great
theme,
though,
and
topic
to
be
bringing
forward
and
talk
about
we've
internally
to
the
climate
initiatives
department.
N
We
have
been
talking
about
trying
to
introduce
carbon
accounting
into
the
city's
budget,
at
least
as
a
starting
point
of
that,
and
we
had
been
starting
to
make
some
progress
around
that
until
of
course,
covet
hit
and,
of
course,
that
wasn't
going
to
be
a
very
popular
comment
or
topic
or
conversation
when
we're
actually
already
cutting
staff
and
and
budget.
So
it's
it's
a
challenging
topic,
but
I
think
it's
a
very
important
one
to
have
a
discussion
about.
E
I
think,
even
if
and
I
understand
that
no
one
wants
to
see
themselves
in
the
red,
you
know
it's
difficult
to
take
a
good
hard
look
at
yourself
and
know
that
it's
probably
not
going
to
be
pretty.
But
if
anything,
if
it
wasn't
discussed
in
in
the
method
of
likely
key
climate
metrics
and
having
us
really
line
item
what
it
is,
if
anything
at
least
still
produce
the
disclosures
to
the
public
to
ourselves.
E
You
know,
because
I
I
would
feel
it
was
safe
to
assume
that
the
city
of
boulder
and
and
any
and
every
department
again
as
well
as
individuals-
I
don't
know
you
know
really
what
my
carbon
footprint
is,
but
to
really
take
a
look
at
what
that
disclosure
would
look
like
to
be
able
to
get
the
conversation
going.
You
know,
I
completely
understand
what
you're
saying
like:
how
are
we
going
to
come
up
with
these
prices
that
are
going
to
be
very,
very
high
and
and
no
one
around
us
is.
E
But
that's
that's
kind
of
the
worldwide
problem
right.
So,
if
anything,
if,
if
it's
not
an
implementation
of
of
the
money,
it
at
least
the
disclosure
of
what
that
would
look
like
if
the
process
started.
O
N
N
E
What
I've
looked
at
is
that
that
would
be
like
the
emissions
cover,
but
on
top
of
that
there
is
the
social
determinants
of
health
and
and
what
we're
talking
about
exclusion
and
inclusion
and
who's
going
to
be
affected
and
and
those
costs
are,
are
actually
higher
than
the
actual
cost
of
the
emissions
that
the
the
cost
that's
a
little
bit
more
easily
tangible
and
able
to
look
at
what
the
actual
output
is
so
yeah.
I
I
I
don't
know
how
to
get
that
started.
E
I
don't
know
who,
in
the
city
green
lights,
something
like
that
and
said:
let's
really
take
a
good
hard
look
at
it,
and
I
I
really
appreciate
what
you
guys
are
doing
for
the
city
of
boulder.
It's
great
work.
I
just
I
care
so
strongly
about
what
is
going
to
happen
to
us
and
everyone
in
the
future
that
it's
difficult
for
me
with
with
anything
or
anyone
to
give
really
any
policy.
I've
had
on
the
back.
If
there's
not
a
lot
of
really
good
hard,
factual.
E
L
And
caroline
one
thing
that
may
help
hugh
here
is
one.
One
thing
that
dan
has
asked
us
to
look
into
for
next
year
is
to
do
a
climate
audit
of
osmp
so
like
it
was
kind
of
that
same
question.
What
could
we
be
doing
better
more
intelligently
for
ourselves
as
a
department
and-
and
it
was
doing
trying
to
do
that-
accounting,
not
necessarily
just
for
just
from
a
disclosure
standpoint,
which
I
think
was
a
really
good
point
that
you
made,
but
also
from
a
prioritization
standpoint,
so
where?
E
Yeah,
I
mean-
and
there
are
a
lot
of
carbon
pricing
systems
and
credits
and
and
ways
to
go
about
doing
that
kind
of
thing,
depending
on
the
type
of
work
that
you're
in,
and
I
just
think
that
boulder
has
such
a
good
reputation
that
it
would
be
really
wise
for
us
to
look
into
it
and
see
what
type
of
programs
that
that
are
out.
E
There
would
be
good
for
us
to
to
start
doing
that
kind
of
thing,
because
that
that
really
puts
into
it
really
magnifies
like
what
a
true
budget
is
at
this
point,
because
that
really
is
what
humans
need
to
to
be
worried
about
is,
is
what
we're
you
know
pretending
as
we're.
You
know,
closing
our
ears
and
eyes
and
and
saying
this
is
what
the
numbers
are,
and
we
all
know
that.
That's
just
not
the
truth.
M
Can
I
share
a
quick
point
here?
I
I
just
and
I'll
try
to
make
this
very
quick.
If
I
may,
I
should
ask
the
chair:
if
that's
okay.
M
Great
thank
you.
This
is
such
a
great
line
of
conversation
and
caroline.
I
I
so
appreciate
you
bringing
this
forward
a
couple
of
key
points
that
I
wanted
to
make
sure
get
brought
into
the
conversation
that
ken
are
sitting
in
the
margins.
First
of
all,
what
we've
talked
about
with
you
tonight
is
not
the
totality
of
our
climate
work.
We
have
been
so
focused
on
energy,
which
is
our
buildings.
Obviously,
what
are
the
levers
that
we
can
pull
there
that
have
the
biggest
impact
to
decarbonize
thinking
about
our
transportation
systems?
M
Thinking
about
our
economy
and
where
we've
been
most
successful
over
the
past
couple
of
years,
is
that
systemic
or
systems
level
change
where
we
are
going
to
the
biggest
levers
so
going
to
the
state
legislature
going
to
our
regulatory
agencies
to
address
those
big
levers.
One
of
the
things
that
we
were
successful
at
is
getting
our
utility
to
act.
M
Traditionally
we
have
treated
climate
change
as
a
math
problem
and,
while
that
invokes
the
inner
math
geek
in
all
of
us,
the
reality
is
you
can't
just
look
at
this
as
well.
If
you
just
look
at
this
amount
of
tons
over
here-
and
you
try
to
offset
it
over
here-
that
really
misses
so
much
of
the
rich
dimension
that
exists
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
that
part
of
our
learning
has
brought
us
to
this
place
of
how
do
we
accurately
and
honestly
measure
our
emissions
and
so
what
we
discussed
with
council.
M
This
past
june
is
moving
towards
a
consumption
based
inventory,
which
really
calculates
and
captures
the
emissions
from
goods
and
services
in
boulder,
and
it's
a
really
tough
conversation,
because
it
potentially
has
the
the
potential
of
doubling
our
emissions,
but
it's
the
honest
way
of
accounting.
So
we
are
partnering
at
the
regional
and
national
level
to
pilot
a
way
of
true
cost
accounting.
True
emission
inventories
that
allow
us,
then
to
go
internal
to
say
the
city
organization
to
say
what
would
it
look
like
to
actually
do
a
social
cost
of
carbon
within
the
city
organization?
M
How
would
we
use
that
to
underpin
all
decisions,
all
investments
and
all
projects
the
city
makes,
and
that
is
where
I
believe
we
are
headed.
We
are
starting
to
have
those
conversations
internally
amongst
the
departments,
but
it's
been
kind
of
this
appendage
for
some
time,
and
I
don't
say
that
terribly
negatively.
But
the
way
we
have
traditionally
approached
climate
and
sustainability
and
resilience
is
an
appendage,
something
that
is
thought
about
after
the
fact,
which
is
how
can
we
kind
of
layer
on
some
of
the
the
more
sustainable
features?
M
And
I
have
to
really
appreciate
the
my
colleagues
and
the
rest
of
the
organization
in
the
city,
leadership
really
taking
a
hard
look
at
how
we
embrace
climate
in
a
much
different
way
and
recognize
that
it's
no
longer
the
slow
moving
issue
when
it's
something
needs
to
be
embedded
in
in
our
long-term
planning
and
discussion.
So
that
was
not
necessarily
a
very
eloquent
response,
but
I
just
wanted
to
to
share
with
you.
This
is
an
ongoing
conversation.
M
What
you're
dropping
as
a
comment
is
fits
very
neatly
within
a
thread
that
is,
that
is
happening
right
now
and
caroline.
While
I'm
speaking,
I
wanted
to
come
back
to
your
earlier
question
and
I
would
direct
you
to
page
79
in
the
the
budget,
and
that
is
a
full
breakdown
of
our
budget,
and
I
was
pretty
close.
6.3
is
our
2020
22
budget.
E
Okay,
I
I
appreciate
you
saying
all
of
that,
and
I
I
think
that,
like
I
said
before,
all
of
the
work
that
you
guys
are
doing
is
is
great
and
it's
so
difficult.
I
think,
for
your
department
to
try-
and
you
know,
like
move
the
beast.
That
is,
that
makes
all
of
the
wheels
turn.
You
know.
Water
utilities,
the
city
itself,
energy,
all
these
different
things,
so
anything
that
open
space
can
do
to
help
you.
Hopefully
we
can
make
that
happen
for
you
guys.
E
You
know
anything
that
you
need,
but
I
it
makes
me
happy
to
hear
you
say
that,
and
and
again
it's
just
so
important
for
me
to
say
what
I
think,
because
you
know
2030
is
looming
if,
if
not
sooner,
if
not
you
know
so
it,
it
is
at
the
point
where.
F
Thanks
so
speaking
of
2030
2030
is
looming,
my
kids
are
set
to
graduate
in
2030,
which
blows
my
mind,
but
you
know
what
keeps
me
up
at
night
is
the
kind
of
the
world
that
we're
leaving
behind
for
our
my
kids
and
future
generations,
and
this
hits
me
pretty
hard-
and
you
know
with
all
of
the
news
and
what's
the
reality
of
climate
change,
it
is
extremely
overwhelming,
especially
when
you're
thinking
about
the
future
generations.
F
You
know
in
your
presentation,
you
touched
on
things
like
multi-modal
transportation
in
on
trails,
two
trails
and
you
know
upgrading
of
vehicles
which
are
all
great
things
you
know
for
me.
I
I'd
like
to
focus
because
it
is
so
overwhelming
on
the
things
that
I
can
actually
impact
personally
and
you
know
one
is
modeling,
you
know
good
practices,
environmental
practices
for
my
kids,
you
know
the
lawn
that
that
really
resonates
with
me.
F
I
I
hate
to
water,
my
wand
and
I'm
trying
to
move
to
xeroscape
more
and
more
and
for
sure
emissions
and
transportation.
You
know
I
I
you
know.
We
have
such
great
past
bike
paths
in
this
city
and
that's
something
that
we
can
control
and
we
can
all
get
out
of
our
cars.
F
Those
of
us
who
live
in
the
city
and
get
on
a
pedal
bike
or
a
an
e-bike,
in
my
case,
it's
yono,
and
I
I
wish
that
we
could
encourage
city
staff
to
take
a
little
extra
time
when
they,
when
they
need
to
go
to
meetings,
take
a
lunch
time,
it's
good
for
their
health
and
well-being
to
get
out
in
the
city
and
and
and
use
our
bypass
as
well,
as
you
know,
replacing
vehicles
with
with
electric
vehicles
and
and
and
really
reminding
all
of
us
that
we
have
a
very
good
solution
in
front
of
us
in
impacting
those
emissions.
F
A
Thank
you,
michelle
yeah.
I
really
think
this
was
very,
very
engaging
and
interesting
for
me.
There's
also
a
circularity,
the
very
people
who
dreamed
up
this
open
space
system
were
deeply
concerned
about
growth
and
they
knew
that
gdp
and
carbon
were
related
and
for
one
of
the
things
that
boulder
does
exceptionally
well,
I
think,
is
not
cause
its
neighbors
and
co-residents
to
constantly
be
playing
the
keep
up
with
the
jones's
game.
A
Thinking
about
how
our
department
can
model
that
thinking
about
how
we
model
that
to
our
neighbors
and
recognize
that
consumption
and
the
demand
for
new
new
is
a
big
part
of
the
culture
that
has
caused
the
explosion
in
carbon,
and
it's
just
really
interesting
how
how
that's
been
there
for
since,
since
we
really
put
the
charter
in
place,
this
has
been
underpinning
it
so,
everybody's
time
really
doing
all
this
hard
work.
A
It's
just
we're
fortunate
to
be
keeping
that
traditional
life.
So
thank
you,
everyone
for
all
this
great
work.
L
N
C
Everybody
yeah
thanks
brad
thanks
jonathan
and
thank
you
board
for
that
great
discussion.
C
I
I
I
knew
the
subject
matter
is
very
emotional
and-
and
I
think
we
felt
some
of
that
and
when
we're
talking
about
our
children
and
our
future
generations,
I
mean
we
know
what
they're
facing,
and
you
know,
part
of
our
goal
is
is
bringing
this
up
was
knowing
that
a
half
hour
presentation
from
staff
was
going
to
fall,
woefully
short
of
really
getting
into
the
subject
matter
at
depth,
but
we
did
feel
it
was
important
for
you
to
be
introduced
to
the
climate
initiatives
department
to
introduce
you
to
brian
and
john's
work
in
early
2021
to
do
an
inventory
of
what's
related
of
our
actions
and
our
work
plans,
and
then
to
take
john
alluded
to
the
next
step,
is
to
then
do
that
climate
audit.
C
If
you
will
next
year
in
order
to
say
well
what
should
we
be
prioritizing?
What
should
we
be
enhancing
in
terms
of
of
action?
Brian
hit
upon
that
little
climate
fund,
we're
going
to
experiment
with
to
try
to
get
staff
to
think
a
little
bit
bigger
and
out
of
the
box
and
and
to
make
some
proposals
towards
that
climate
fund
and
give
that
a
go
as
a
pilot
project.
So
we're
certainly
open
to
future
discussions
with
you
all
and
we'll
look
for
those
opportunities.
C
But
thanks
to
jonathan
and
brett
for
kicking
things
off.
B
A
Great
and
then
dan,
you
said
we
might
naturally
move
into
funded
research
prior
to
moving
to
flagstaff.
C
Yeah
well
we'll
bring
on
brian
now
he's
got
the
screen
on
and,
of
course,
a
couple
of
his
of
the
projects.
He'll
talk
about
relate
directly
to
the
conversation
we
just
had.
So
we
will
go
into
item
from
madison
department
item
c
at
this
time,
if
we're
ready
to
roll
into
that,
that's
great.
C
So
for
those
who
don't
know,
I
don't
think
we
actually
properly
titled
brian
anyone
listening
brian
anaker
is
the
science
officer
for
open
space
and
mountain
parks,
and
he
is
our
point
person
into
the
funded
research
program,
which
has
other
collaborators
and
agency
partners
in
this
growing
and
exciting
program
that
we
launched
a
few
years
ago.
O
Hello,
thank
you
for
the
introduction
dan
tonight.
I've
got
an
update
on
the
2021
funded
research
program
for
you
and
before
I
begin,
let's
see
I
want
to
bring
up
zoom
just
to
see
where
you
guys
are
cool.
O
I
just
wanted
to
acknowledge.
Will
keely
osmp
wildlife
ecologist
will,
and
I
work
really
closely
on
this
project
over
the
years
as
well
as
about
15
other
staff
members
who
help
us
review
the
queue
review,
the
proposals
we
receive
each
year
and
make
funding
decisions
and
ultimately
sponsor
the
research
over
the
field
season.
O
So
the
funded
research
program
at
osmp
is
a
small
grants
program.
We
issue
awards
to
scientists
in
the
range
of
five
to
ten
thousand
dollars
each
on
an
annual
cycle.
It's
been
going
over
25
years,
starting
in
1995,
with
the
main
goal
of
working
with
scientists
in
our
community
to
help
osmp
address
our
short
and
long-term
management
needs
in
this
photograph.
You'll
see
a
mix
of
graduate
student
undergraduate
students
and
staff
out
on
an
osmp
property
in
the
south
part
of
our
system.
O
That's
just
one
example
on
the
next
slide:
here's
our
master
plan
scorecard,
which
you
already
saw
tonight.
O
This
funded
research
program
has
two
direct
connections
to
the
master
plan
in
ecosystem
health
and
resilience,
7
and
responsible
recreation,
stewardship
and
enjoyment,
9,
which
are
to
develop
a
learning
laboratory
approach
to
conservation
and
recreation
and
then,
through
the
research
that
gets
done.
The
program
touches
about
17
other
master
plan
strategies,
which
I've
indicated
here
in
blue
next
slide.
O
As
you
can
see
here,
a
story
that
we
got
out
in
the
daily
camera
over
the
summer.
Titled
look
in
your
backyard,
boulder,
open
space
and
mountain
park
sponsors
research
projects
in
the
insect
quote.
You
can
see
the
author
describes
older's
learning,
laboratory
approach
to
conservation
next
slide,
so
2021
was
another
really
strong
year
for
proposals.
O
O
One
of
those
seven
was
brian
buma's
project,
which
was
funded
with
an
interagency
mechanism
where
brian
was
able
to
triple
his
budget
and
triple
the
amount
of
land
he
was
working
over.
So
it's
just
an
example
of
the
collaborations
we're
forming
with
our
sister
agencies
to
the
north
and
south
next
slide.
O
This
table
shows
all
seven
projects
the
three
with
asterisks
I'm
going
to
talk
about
one
slide
each
but
I'll
leave
this
slide
up
for
a
second.
So
you
can
peruse
the
titles
and
affiliations
and
get
a
sense
for
the
diversity
of
topics
and
affiliations
that
we
have
in
the
single
year
alone,
projects
on
climate
change,
native
plant
species
hybridization
with
non-native
plant
species.
O
Looking
at
recreation,
ecology,
studies
from
principal
investigators
at
cu,
denver,
cu,
boulder
graduate
students,
consultants
agency
scientists
at
usda,
et
cetera,
next
slide.
So
brian
buma
is
a
assistant
professor
at
cu
denver.
His
project
title
was
fuel
treatments
and
their
impact
on
carbon,
carbon
stocks
and
fire
severity.
O
So
this
is
the
first
look
at
the
carbon
accounting
in
our
forested
landscapes
and
by
looking
at
repeat
measures
and
spatial
contrasts
and
these
treatment
histories.
We
can
start
to
describe
how
our
management
interventions
are
impacting
that
carbon
balance.
The
photograph
you
can
see
in
the
background
is
taken
from
heil
valley
ranch.
It's
an
untreated
stand
of
ponderosa
pine
that
was
burned
in
the
cow
wood
fire.
Last
october-
and
you
can
see
just
a
wall
of
standing
dead
trees
there
next
slide.
O
The
original
sampling
discovered
45
different
species
of
ant,
which
is
an
order
of
magnitude
higher
than
I
would
have
thought
we
had
in
terms
of
ant
species
diversity,
she's
going
to
go
back
out
and
recollect
at
those
sites,
she's
going
to
take
her
collections
over
to
the
university
of
chicago.
So
she
can
compare
her
collections
with
the
original
collections
which
are
housed
there.
She's
then
going
to
torture
the
ants
to
understand
their
thermal
preferences.
O
How
high
of
temperature
can
they
tolerate
how
low
of
temperature
can
they
tolerate
and
compare
that
thermal
trait
to
the
change
over
time
between
these
collection
dates
of
the
1950s
collection
and
the
2021
collection
and
see
if
it's
a
good
predictor
if
the
heat
loving
ants
are
the
ones
that
are
the
most
abundant
abundant
now,
while
the
cool
loving
ants
are
the
ones
that
are
disappearing
from
the
data
set,
this
particular
project,
all
of
that
work
is
getting
done
for
two
thousand
dollars
which
blows
my
mind
and
next
slide.
Please,
okay.
O
One
of
our
goals
is
to
understand
the
visitor
experience
and
to
improve
the
visitor
experience.
We've
heard
in
the
ether
all
this
conversation
about
big
data
and
information
coming
from
our
mobile
phones.
So
we
worked
with
dave
to
start
looking
at
those
data
sources
and
seeing
if
we
can
add
that
to
our
understanding
of
visitor
use.
O
So
what
we
did
was
collect
data
from
a
third
party
which
harvests
the
geo
reference
location
from
your
smartphone.
As
you
move
around
whether
you
know
it
or
not.
Your
xy
coordinates
lat
long
are
getting
sent
to
the
cloud
getting
processed
and
resold
and
then
used
by
businesses
and
groups
like
us.
So
we
got
a
small
sample
for
the
chautauqua
area,
which
included
thousands
of
different
devices
and
pings
they're
called
these
individual
fixes
of
lat
long
as
you
move
about,
we
had
hundreds
of
thousands
of
pings
in
this
little
geography.
O
For
the
year
of
2020
alone,
working
with
dave,
we
created
some
heat
maps
which
I'm
showing
on
the
screen
here,
where
the
yellow
indicates
high
ping
density,
medium
is
in
red
and
low,
is
in
blue,
and
what
we're
seeing
is
really
good
signal.
Coming
from
this
mobile
data,
where
we
can
see
a
faithful
rendering
of
our
trail
corridors,
we
can
see
relative
use
levels
that
make
sense
to
us
where
the
chautauqua
trail
is
lighting
up.
The
trail
out
to
royal
arch
is
looking
relatively
popular
compared
to
some
of
the
other
trails
in
this
geography.
O
We
have
a
good
proof
of
concept
that
we
can
see
use
of
an
undesignated
trail.
That's
a
well-known
undesignated
trail
slated
for
eventual
designation,
but
it's
a
good
evaluation
for
us
that
this
data
can
can
see
it.
We
also
are
seeing
great
correlations
of
this
data
with
our
ongoing
visitation
estimates,
where
we
have
single
pinpoint
trail
counters
on
the
system.
When
we
take
a
look
at
the
pings
in
and
around
those
trail
counters,
our
correlation
values
are
quite
high,
but
of
course,
what
we
gain
by
using
the
mobile
data.
O
Is
this
really
rich
mapping
of
visitation
outside
of
those
single
access
points,
in
a
way
that
we've
never
been
able
to
look
at
it
before?
So?
Our
hope
is
that
we
can
bring
this
into
the
fold
of
visitation
studies
and
use
it
to
augment
the
work
that
we
already
do:
counting
visitors
and
also
doing
visitor
surveys.
O
One
last
thing:
the
most
important
thing:
the
animation
is
showing
change
over
time.
So
here
we're
going
into
june
july.
Visitation
is
relatively
high,
it's
peaking
and
then,
as
we
get
into
december
january,
visitation
is
coming
down.
So
spatial
resolution
is
there
temporal
resolution.
Is
there
as
well
and
next
slide?
O
So
next
steps
for
this
project
include
the
issuing
of
our
request
for
proposals
in
november
and
then
we'll
make
our
awards
in
february
in
time
for
researchers
to
get
their
field
season
plans
in
order
and
we're
currently
planning
our
third
installment
of
the
front
range
open
space.
Research.
Symposium
we've
done
two
of
these
already.
O
This
one
is
scheduled
for
april
2022
date
and
location
to
be
determined.
Boulder,
county
parks
and
open
space
will
be
hosting
this
edition,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
for
all
of
our
former
grant
recipients
to
come
and
present
their
work
to
one
another
that
the
community
is
also
invited.
It's
a
really
rich,
full
day
conference,
coveted
willing.
We
will
be
able
to
do
this
in
person,
if
not
we'll
explore
virtual
options
next
slide.
O
If
you
want
to
learn
more
here's
a
few
different
ways
to
do
it,
you
can
find
links
to
all
of
these
at
the
science
at
osmp
webpage,
which
we
talked
to
you
about.
I
think
when
we
did
their
master
plan
annual
report,
that's
your
one-stop
shop
to
learn
about
all
things.
Science,
the
osmp
funded
research
program
web
page,
is
a
place
to
go
to
apply
for
one
of
these
small
grants.
O
The
journey
into
the
outdoor
learning
lab
is
a
story
map
which
is
a
really
fun
interactive
way
to
hear
about
the
funded
research
program
and
then
the
osmp
independent
research
reports.
Web
page
is
where
we've
cataloged
the
300
or
so
papers
that
have
come
out
of
the
department
over
the
years
and
with
that
I'll,
take
any
questions
next
slide.
Thank
you.
A
So
anybody
with
questions
for
brian
here
on
this
presentation,
first
off
thanks
brian,
it's
a
great
appreciate
the
nice
selection
and
drill
down
on
all
the
individual
projects,
and
it
is
remarkable
that
ant
research
that
that's
very
creative
and
interesting
also
personally.
Happy
that
the
questions
I
asked
about
fire
mitigation
are
being
looked
at
in
carbon
accounting.
So
that's
very
exciting.
E
D
Thanks
brian,
I
have
a
question
budget
wise.
Is
there
a
line
in
the
budget,
for
you
know
the
research
program
or
small
grants
or
how?
How
is
money
allocated
to
support
those
projects.
O
O
So
that
might
be
one
way
to
augment
that
small
budget
for
a
very
specific
purpose.
The
way
that
money
is
allocated
now
it
comes
through
my
work
group,
so
it
comes
up
under
my
purview
and
then
we
do
a
staff,
as
I
mentioned
review,
of
the
proposals
that
come
in
and
we
have
at
least
three
readers
for
every
proposal
and
we
do
a
pretty
detailed
scoring
mechanism
for
the
proposals
and
then
the
final
decisions
are
made
as
a
consensus
of
that
group,
and
very
often
we
will
make
adjustments
if
the
three
readers
have
a
consensus.
O
D
And
I
I
think
the
annual
symposia
are
extremely
valuable
and
interesting.
So
hopefully
we
can,
you
know
resurrect
those
and
and
continue
to
have
them.
Having
said
that,
though,
I
was
going
to
suggest
that
you
know
if
there's
some
projects
or
result
study
results
that
you
think
the
board
might
be
particularly
interested
in.
D
I
think
it
would
be
highly
informative
and
interesting
to
you
know,
ask
the
researchers
to
come
and
present
the
results
of
their
studies
to
the
board
as
just
kind
of
an
informational
item,
and
I
think
the
board
would
benefit
greatly
from
that
and
and
hopefully
the
public
as
well
kind
of
getting
that
some
of
that
information
out
in
that
public
forum.
O
Yeah
thanks
karen
and
I
have
been
talking
through
the
center
for
sustainable
landscapes
and
communities.
O
Picking
a
couple
of
the
grant
recipients,
including
the
brian
buma
project,
but
a
historic
one,
from
kyle
rodman
and
tom
bedblin,
to
bring
to
a
broader
community
type
of
presentation
or
a
keynote
address
outside
of
the
symposium,
possibly
this
fall.
So
that
could
be
another
way
of
when
we
have
really
exciting
topics
or
really
great
research
results,
bringing
special
events
forward
for
the
entire
community
to
hear.
But
I
will
keep
that
in
mind
too
that
bringing
folks
out
for
a
wednesday
night
might
be
a
great
way
to
share
research
results.
E
A
Brian,
I
also
on
a
technical
level.
I
wanted
to
say
the
story,
maps
and
arcgis,
and
the
introduction
to
the
learning
lab
you
did,
I
think,
is
absolutely
fantastic
and
I
want
to
know
sort
of
what
sort
of
time
investment
whether
the
department
has
a
subscription
to
that
facility
and
are
we
department,
wide
planning
to
ramp
up
its
use,
because
I
really
think
that
it
does
environmental
community
engagement
at
an
absolutely
fantastic
level.
O
O
O
I
think
the
way
that
science
is
going
forward
towards
these
low
code
or
no
code,
software
solutions
where
formally
you'd
have
to
be
a
real
master
technician
to
pull
something
like
that
off
and
get
the
level
of
customization
that
you
get.
But
now
those
tools
are
all
point
and
click
and
they
sort
of
have
done
a
done,
a
great
job
of
pre-canning,
the
code
in
ways
where
they
anticipate
what
the
most
common
uses
are
going
to
be
and
they
make
them
available
for
you
in
terms
of
our
department.
O
I
think
I've
personally
seen
maybe
six
of
those
come
through
and
as
a
gallery
of
story
maps,
they
really
represent
a
wide
range
of
utility
and
functionality
that
can
that
the
software
can
bring,
and
so
I'm
really
excited
about
them.
I
think
that's
definitely
our
way
forward
great.
A
I
I
yeah
and
dan-
I
guess
just
even
karen's
points
earlier
about
soil
carbon
and
that
cycle
this
tool.
Just
strikes
me
as
a
real
gift
to
organizations
like
ours.
A
A
I
guess
seeing
none
dan
we're
ready
to
move
into
the
next
segment.
H
C
Yeah
thanks
brian,
that
was
that
was
really
well
done
and
really
really
interesting.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
for
doing
that.
So
we
are
gonna,
be
bringing
back
a
subject
matter
that
we
started
discussions
with
the
board
last
month
and
that
is
last
month
just
to
do
a
recap
for
anyone.
Who's.
Listening
in
that
wasn't
part
of
last
month's
meeting.
C
The
board
actually
did
provide
a
motion
to
amend
the
brc
language,
to
sort
of
provide
uniformity
for
how
the
parking
hours
across
osmp
parking
areas
are
stated
in
the
brc
and
also
added
some
language
that
allows
some
flexibility
for
adaptive
management.
C
One
of
the
actions
that
is
sort
of
left
over
and
that
we're
bringing
forward
tonight
is
how
we
intend
to
use
that
flexibility
and
to
daylight
the
fact
that
we
do
see
sites
along
flagstaff
road
in
which
we
do
intend
to
make
some
our
adjustments
and
so
we'll
move
into
continuing
that
discussion
and
some
of
the
feedback
that
we've
had
with
community
members
and
some
adjustments.
We've
made
to
our
thinking
about
that
and
to
summarize,
where
we're
at
at
that
point.
C
P
P
All
right
is
that
that
look
great.
P
Looks
great,
okay
super,
so
we
are
back
for
an
update
on
this
topic
and
it
really
just
I'm
going
to
start
us
off
and
turn
it
over
to
gretchen.
Here
we
have
created,
I
believe,
a
win-win
solution
here,
proposal
moving
forward
and
we
have
a
good
balance
between
the
recreational
use,
that'll
allow
for
protection
of
public
safety
and
the
natural
resources.
P
So
again,
this
is
going
to
allow
for
continuous
of
all
our
property
for
the
activities
like
those
listed
there,
and
the
new
proposal
is
going
to
combines
the
changes
in
hours
to
support
law
enforcement
with
a
parking
permit
system
they'll
be
coming
online
as
well
as
then
supporting
the
recreational
activities
mentioned
above.
So
this
updated
proposal
was
worked
out
with
our
community
partners,
specifically
working
with
the
fcc
and
bcc,
and
some
some
great
conversations
that
we
had.
P
So
we're
really
looking
to
be
this
to
be
a
pilot
project
for
12
months
until
the
end
of
2022,
and
then
we'll
work
together
to
to
make
any
adjustments
as
needed.
So
gretchen.
Q
Thank
you,
britain,
so
we're
on
to
the
next
slide
yeah,
so
just
to
recap
super
quickly.
The
reason
why
we're
here
in
the
first
place-
and
that
is
just
to
go
over
the
problem
statement-
do
you
recall
I
was
the
ranger
that
that
brought
the
original
proposal
last
time,
and
I
talked
about
kind
of
three
categories
of
issues
that
we
see
on
flagstaff
and
so
the
first
category
being
trash
and
litter
that
comes
from
nighttime
use,
so
that
does
cost
money
and
staff
and
volunteer
time
to
clean
up
it.
Q
That
seems
to
be
increasing
lately,
the
more
we
see
nighttime
use
pick
up.
It
decreases
the
visitors
experience.
Obviously,
when
you
come
to
a
trailhead
and
you
see
trash
and
litter
or
beer
cans
or
broken
glass
or
that
sort
of
thing
or
graffiti
it
kind
of
takes
away
your
experience,
it
can
also
attract
wildlife.
You
know
when
takeout
containers
or
broken
glass
are
left
outside
that
can
bring
wildlife
closer
to
human
interaction
and
put
them
in
danger.
Q
The
second
category
of
problems
that
we
see
increase
at
night
is
alcohol
and
marijuana
violations,
so
that
can
obviously
lead
to
trash
and
litter,
because
if,
if
you're
drinking
or
smoking
and
you're,
maybe
underage
or
know
it's
illegal,
you
don't
want
to
have
that
in
your
hands.
You
might
leave
it
where
you
were
it
does
it
can
lead
to
duis
and
other
public
safety
issues.
Q
Obviously,
that's
a
very,
very
big
concern
for
us
and
it
can
again
decrease
the
visitors
experience
so
maybe
seeing
the
park
is
not
typically
as
a
safe
place
to
be
or
just
knowing
that
illegal
activities
occur.
There
serious
crimes
also
occur
at
night,
some
specific
ones
that
we've
seen
lately
are
armed,
robberies,
fraternity,
hazing
graffiti
dui,
death,
etc.
Q
Next
slide
burton
the
original
proposal
that
was
brought
forth
last
time.
I
was
here
to
address
these
issues,
as
you
recall
was
that
was
to
limit
the
parking,
not
usage,
but
just
parking
along
flagstaff
road
to
say
no
parking,
one
hour
after
sunset
to
one
hour
before
sunrise
again,
just
along
the
trail,
heads
and
major
palace,
along
flagstaff
road,
open
space,
received
feedback
from
the
community
and
the
open
space
board
of
trustees
and
reviewed
this
original
proposal
and
considered
alternative
alternative
options.
Q
Q
The
path
forward
is
to
sign
the
same
area
that
we
had
talked
about.
Originally
flagstaff
road
at
the
trailheads
and
pull-offs
to
no
parking
9
pm
to
5
am
to
come
up
with
this
alternative.
This
new
path
forward,
open
space
staff
reached
out
to
as
you
can
read
there,
many
different
community
groups
and
members,
so
not
only
the
board
members
but
fcc
and
bcc,
like
burton,
talked
about
the
boulder
public
lands
coalition,
colorado
university,
the
chamber
of
commerce
and
the
flagstaff
house.
Q
Restaurant,
open
space
staff
and
rangers
will
review
and
implement
parking
permit
options
for
people
that
request
to
park
on
flagstaff
during
these
no
parking
hours.
As
a
reminder,
all
users
can
always
still
access
trails
and
climbing
and
bouldering
areas
along
flagstaff
and
stargaze
we're
not
closing
trails
or
property.
This
is
you
know,
a
parking,
a
parking
issue
and
this
proposal
only
changes
the
hours
one
can
park
along
flagstaff
road,
as
always
with
any
of
our
other
permits,
and
this
one
included.
Any
violations
of
the
permit
can
result
in
a
revocation
of
that
permit.
P
Thanks
gretchen,
no,
that's
that's
fine!
So
again,
thanks
for
that
recap,
gretchen
and
lining
this
out
so
again,
quick
reminder
that
we
will
review
this
as
a
process
after
12
months
making
adjustments
as
needed
working
with
the
community
on
this,
and
you
know,
as
things
come
up
during
it,
we
have
such
a,
I
believe,
a
really
solid
dialogue
with
the
climbing
community
ongoing
and
so
just
if
there
are
significant
issues
that
come
up
that
we
can
work
through
as
we
go
along
with
this
with
the
parking
permit
process.
P
So
again
we're
looking
to
support
law
enforcement
issues
up
there
with
this
parking
permit
system
that
will
come
online
to
support
the
recreational
activities
mentioned
above.
So
the
intent
in
our
memo
was
to
to
to
just
ensure
that
that
we
will,
we
will
be
creating
a
parking
permit
process.
P
A
Great
so,
let's,
let's
those
those
who
had
concerns
from
last
time
around
karen.
G
G
As
well
as
all
osmp
projects
that
that
say
that
they
want
to
use
adaptive
management,
I
think
we
need
to
get
clearer
about
what
the
adaptive
management
steps
are
or
might
be
by
stating
what
the
goals
of
the
project
are,
that
we
want
us
if
we're
running
this
as
a
one-year
pilot
project,
saying
these
are
the
goals
that
we'd
like
to
achieve,
and
if
we
achieve
these
goals,
we
want
to
consider
making
the
pilot
project
permanent
if
we
don't
achieve
the
goals,
what
it.
What
are
the
intentions,
so
that
that
everybody
knows
going
in.
G
You
know
what
the
expectations
are
and
what
the
consequences
are
of
meeting
them
or
not.
And
when
I
read
like
the
department
of
interior's
definition
of
adaptive
management
and
how
it's
applied
by
that
kind
of
a
large,
well
researched
institutions,
they
make
it
very
clear
that
that's
the
format
to
use
for
adaptive
management.
So
I
would
encourage
you
to
do
that
and
just
as
an
information
item
on
one
of
our
next
agenda
packets
attach
that
so
we
know
what
your
expectations
for
this
pilot
are
and
they
can
be
made
public
as
well.
P
Really
appreciate
that
karen,
we
will
do
that,
and
I
think
that
under
advisement
definitely
to
to
get
that
set
as
well
as
so
the
specifics
of
the
parking
permit
system.
We
would
also
do
that
at
the
same
time,.
D
Yes,
so
burton
that
what
what
you
just
said,
I
guess
I
have
a
question.
It
would
be
very
helpful
if
you
or
gretchen
ran
through
kind
of
what
you
envisioned
that
permit
process
to
be
and
kind
of
how
that
would
work
and
who
is
actually
responsible
for
it.
I
think
that
would
be
very
informative
for
the
board
to
understand
kind
of
what
you're
envisioning.
P
Sure
I'll
take
a
quick
stab
at
it
and
gretchen.
If
I
miss
anything,
let
me
know,
but
so
we
have.
We
have
a
lot
of
good
experience
to
draw
from
with
our
promating
process.
You
know
we
have
a
very
efficient
special
use
permit
process.
We
have
some
annual
permits
that
are
related
to
the
fee
system
and
as
well
as
research
placards
that
that
we
use
for
for
people's
vehicles
for
our
research
vehicles.
P
So
we
can
draw
from
a
lot
of
really
good
programs
that
we
already
have
in
place
and
staff
experience
that
are
so
our
our
permit
folks,
as
well
as
our
rangers,
will
work
together
to
to
create
this
new
thing,
and
you
can
look
kind
of
rough
outlines.
P
Looking
at
an
annual
path,
sort
of
thing,
with
some
sort
of
placard
and
a
simple,
easy
application
and
tracking
mechanism
really
are
kind
of
the
key
steps.
I
think
to
make
this
work
for
rangers
to
to
enforce
in
the
field.
So
that's
that's
a
super
quick
overview,
but
we
will
definitely
provide
some
more
details
as
we
work
those
out.
D
So
there
the
website,
would
you
know,
along
with
the
other,
permit
application
processes,
presumably
have
have
this
as
well,
so
that
there's
kind
of
a
step-by-step
process
that
people
have
to
go
through
in
order
to
be
approved.
F
Yeah
burton
and
gretchen
and
mark
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
all
the
work
that
you've
done
and
reconsidering
your
proposal
and
and
you
allison
too,
for
reaching
out
to
the
the
climbing
community,
one
minor
correction
and
some
comments-
some
questions,
flatiron's
climbing
community
rather
than
front
range,
climbing
community,
something
that
I
saw
on
your
presentation
that
fcc
actually
stands
for
flatiron's
climbing
community,
but
thank
you
for
reaching
out
to
them
and
working
with
them
and
kind
of
along
the
lines
of
what
karen
was
saying
in
terms
of
adaptive
management.
F
But
how
do
we
measure
success
of
this
and
how
do
we
sort
of
tease
out?
You
know
this
idea
that
or
it's
not
that
idea,
I'm
sure
it's.
Some
of
this
is
related
to
covid
and
you
know
not
to
pick
on
cu
students
but
or
underage
drinking
underage
drinkers,
but
you
know
they're.
You
know
they
were
not
able
to
party
last
year
together
and
they
get
kicked
out
of
school,
so
I'm
sure
that
they
were
hauling
up
to
this.
F
You
know
these
five
miles
away
from
the
neighborhood
to
go
party
up
there.
How
can
we
sort
of
tease
that
out
and
like
how
much
of
this
was
happening
at
11
o'clock
versus
nine
o'clock?
So
we
can
measure
the
success
of
the
program
of
the
pilot
program.
F
F
You
know
a
particular
person's
event
and
not
really
have
to
get
a
permit
for
the
whole
season,
and
then
you
know
that
other
example
I
used
on
the
phone
of
the
that
romantic
who
wants
to
make
a
wants
to
propose
to
their
significant
under
other
under
the
stars
up
there,
I'm
just
giving
them
the
the
ability
to
do
that
lately.
F
You
know
within
the
confines
of
this
new
permit
program.
Other
things
is,
I
imagine
that
there
will
be
a
cost
of
the
for
the
permit,
and
I
I
try.
I
I
know
that
I
try
to
navigate
the
website
a
little
bit.
I'm
not
sure
what
you're
thinking
in
terms
of
the
cost
of
the
permit,
but
I'd
like
to
just
make
sure
that
we
we
think
about
this.
Also
in
terms
of
jedi
principles
and
making
things
accessible
to
the
broader
community.
B
F
In
the
city
of
boulder
and
yeah
so
and
then
I
think,
to
the
point
of
the
email
that
was
sent
yesterday
too,
and
you
know
to
sort
of
align
what
you
have
in
the
memo
versus
what
you're
telling
us
today,
which
is
that
you're
not
just
going
to
explore
the
possible
feasibility
of
of
a
permit
program.
But
you
are
going
to
pursue
it.
Some
and
I
know
you're
you're,
going
on
record
as
having
said
that
here,
there's
just
a
bit
of
a
disconnect
with
what
was
in
the
memo
itself.
Q
Yes,
thank
you.
First,
I
want
to
apologize
to
the
fcc
I
that
was
a
error
on
my
part,
so
the
flatirons.
Thank
you.
I
will
change
that
in
the
presentation
and
remember
that
for
next
time.
Thank
you.
I
heard
what
you
said
about
the
one-off
permit
idea,
and
I
look
forward
to
following
up
on
that
with
with
burton
and
mark
and
and
taking
that
into
consideration,
absolutely
in
terms
of
the
again
the
conversation
about
if
it
costs
money.
Q
I
absolutely
hear
what
you're
saying
I
know
some
of
our
permits
cost
money
and
some
of
them
don't
like
the
hca
permit.
So
I
think
with
that
one
I
again
look
forward
to
having
that
conversation
with
burton
about
making
sure
you
know
considering
what
what
you
said
about
not
having
it
be
cost
prohibitive
to
some
people.
A
Great
I'll
jump
in
on
that
too.
I
I
think
in
general,
this
looks
like
a
very
good
direction
to
me.
A
I
am
concerned
that
over
time
as
we
proliferate
a
little
bit
on
permits
that
essentially,
we
have
a
single
web
page
where
links
to
all
permitting
processes
in
the
department
are
available,
just
so
those
single
one-stop
shop
to
understand
what
permits
are
offered
and
quickly
and
easily
able
to
point
people
to
that
and
that,
additionally,
perhaps
we
explore
in
the
map
app
also
having
that
single
point
of
contact
for
permits
just
to
make
sure
it's
not
too
hidden
from
from
folks
and
also
as
you're,
exploring
the
this
permit
process,
and
I
can
only
imagine
over
time
that
similar
things
will
arise
that
if
there
is
any
way
in
the
free
permit
process
to
basically
integrate
a
simple
verification,
I'm
always
impressed
when
I
use
park
and
ride
in
my
eco
pass.
A
In
any
case,
those
are
just
a
couple
of
thoughts
on
my
mind,
but
in
general,
really
appreciate
what
you
guys
brought
back
on
this
update.
B
D
Hell
those
are
good
suggestions.
I
I
completely
agree
burton
and
gretchen.
I
had
a
question.
I
I
was
a
little
confused
in
the
memo
the
section
on
the
city
attorney's
office
responses.
Can
you
provide
a
little
more
context
for
them,
because
I
particularly
using
the
word
city?
I
guess
you
know
our
efforts
were
trying
to
clarify
the
ordinance
and
they
seem
to
think
that
those
efforts
added
more
confusion
to
it,
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
you
have
any
better
or
more
detail
as
far
as
what
they're
thinking.
Q
If
we're
looking
for
more
information
or
more
detailed
explanation,
I
can
review
with
burton
and
mark
the
email
that
we
got
from
the
city's
attorney's
office
and
just
make
sure
that
we're
giving
you
all
the
information
that
we
got
as
to
why
they
they
have
chosen
not
to
accept
those
two
changes.
D
Let
me
just
jump
in
real
quick,
so
I
guess
from
my
perspective,
gretchen,
you
know
we
were,
as
I
recall,
trying
to
make
a
distinction
between
the
open
space
and
mountain
parks
department
in
the
parks
department,
and
I
still
think
making
that
distinction
is
warranted.
So
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
that.
Whether
their
response
doesn't
really
address
that
distinction
and
the
other
thing
on
on
the
use
of
the
word
city.
We
could
just
as
easily
put
city
lim
or
city
owned
or
something
if
the
concern
is
outside
the
urban.
D
D
You
know
either
inside
or
or
outside
the
city
limits,
and
so
it
strikes
me
that
we
could
easily
use
the
term
city
owned
and
that
would
be
less
confusing
from
their
perspective
of
just
using
the
word
city.
So
I
don't
know
whether
you
talk
further
with
them
about
that.
But
you
know
we
were
trying
to
make
the
ordinance
language
clearer
and
they
seemed
to
be
satisfied
with
the
way
it
was.
D
J
Yeah,
I
believe,
that's
correct,
cal
and
then
to
get
your
point
there
that
you're
right
that
one
part
about
separating
parks
from
osmp.
We
can
follow
up
back
with
janet.
C
Is
that
we'd
be
happy
to
follow
up
and
have
a
discussion
with
the
city
attorney's
office
about
your
point
about
that
is
making
a
clear
distinction
between
the
two
departments
and
see
if
we
can
land
on
some
language
that
would
fit
their
template
and
fit
your
desire?
But
ultimately
just
so
you
all
know
it's
gonna
be
see.
The
attorney
office's
final
call
on
they're
the
ones
who
actually
write
the
language
for
all
the
brc
stuff,
but
we'd
be
happy
to
bring
that
conversation
back.
A
Yeah,
unfortunately,
this
is
already
baked
into
the
brc,
and
so
I
think
it's
a
steep
hill
for
us
to
attempt
to
climb.
Maybe
we
should
talk
to
planning
about
changing
their
ways.
E
Yeah,
I
just
have
something
quick
and
I'm
sure
it's
a
thought
that
we
have
have
all
had
but
kind
of
circling
back
to
what
karen
was
talking
about.
You
know
it.
It
would
be
quite
a
disservice
for
the
climbing
community,
who
does
so
much
for
boulder
and
sustainability
and
really
keeping
areas
nice
for
them
to
be
kind
of
put
out
and
then
have
to
buy
a
permit.
E
If,
in
fact,
you
know-
I
heard
someone
say
during
the
the
presentation-
or
it
was
written
in
here-
that
parking
is
the
issue,
but
parking
really
isn't
the
issue.
It's
like
the
method
that
we're
using
to
try
and
curb
the
issue,
which
is
you
know,
unsafe
hazards,
encroachment
onto
wildlife
areas
and
really
the
main
thing
is
like
the
use
of
alcohol
in
these
places.
E
So
I
I
do
think
it
is
a
good
idea
for
us
to
make
sure
that
we
look
at
that,
because
if,
if
the
appeal
of
what
flagstaff
is
for
cu,
students
or
whomever
is
is
out
there
doing
these
things
and
it
becomes
easy
to
get
an
uber
drop
off
or
a
ride
from
someone
else
and
nothing
really
changes.
E
They
just
realize
that
parking
there
can't
happen,
but
but
the
spot
is
still
a
pretty
cool
place
to
party
that
we
kind
of
recognize
that
sooner
than
later
and-
and
you
know
appropriately
figure
out
a
way
to
to
move
forward
in
another
direction.
A
P
Burton
and
if
I
could
thank
you,
carolyn
hal
appreciate
the
comments
we
because
of
the
existing
fee
system
on
flagstaff
related
to
where
vehicles
are
are
registered.
I
think
that
would
be
the
mechanism
to
continue
that
process
for
as
a
fee
and
probably
have
this
as
not
not
a
fee.
Related
issue
is
kind
of
where,
where
I
was
starting
from
in
my
head,
so
just
to
share
that.
A
Great,
so
if
people
are
comfortable
with
that
feedback
dan
will
you
just
describe?
Essentially
we
we
have
the
brsac
updates
on
track
in
the
process.
A
You're
going
to
return
to
discuss
with
the
city
attorney
a
little
bit
on
the
language
and
then
at
some
point
we
will
basically
hear
back
that
some
of
this
is
being
implemented
or
is
there
another
stop
in
the
road
that
I'm
not
seeing
yeah?
No.
C
I
will
outline
just
a
little
bit
the
specific
date
that
we're
planning
to
bring
this
to
council,
so
council
action
will
be
around
the
brc
change,
but
at
the
same
time
we
do
feel
an
obligation
to
daylight
the
fact
that
we're
going
to
be
using
this
new
language
in
this
way,
and
so
the
memo
will
fully
describe
the
conversations
we
have
about
flake
staff.
C
C
What
I'm
also
hearing
is
that
we
will
aim
to
have
a
written
memo
description
that
talks
more
about
the
permitting
program
that
and
provide
some
more
details
to
the
questions
that
you
all
raised,
and
so
we'll
we'll
come
back
at
some
point
and
I
gretchen
and
burton
and
mark
I'm
throwing
that
out
there.
I
believe
we
could
probably
do
this
before
the
launch
formally
of
the
program
is
to
provide
yeah,
provide
a
written
update
done
on
the
permitting
process.
C
C
It
could
be
also
with
the
permit
information
about
a
flow
chart
or
an
adaptive
management
sort
of
paradigm
of
of
how
that
process
is
going
to
work
in
terms
of
judging
success
of
a
pilot
program,
whether
or
not
we've
failed,
whether
it's
succeeded.
How
we
know
that
and
getting
that
information
back
to
you
as
well.
A
Yeah
thanks
dan.
I
just
want
to
comment
on
that
process
piece
a
little
and
touch
on
something
karen
has
raised.
A
I
think
that
you
know,
and
especially
in
the
email
we
received
recently
about
permits
and
fees
and
codification
just
to
make
sure
when
we
do
present
this
to
council
that
we're
not
unintentionally
binding
ourselves
in
ways
that
we
don't
want
to
be
because,
fundamentally,
the
more
obviously
brc
codification
is
the
antithesis
to
adaptive
management,
but
basically
offering
the
option
of
council
review
on
things
consistently,
which
we're
really
in
fact
trying
to
recover
for
ourselves
as
adaptive
management
items
is
a
little
bit
contrary
to
that
goal.
A
So
hopefully
we
can
provide
the
transparency
without
giving
up
our
own
authority
to
adaptively
respond
to
problems
on
our
managed
property.
I
think
you
know
what
I
mean
in
that
overall
scheme.
Yep
yep.
C
I
guess
the
only
thing-
maybe
this
would
be
a
head
nod,
but
I
it
would
be
nice
if,
within
the
memo
we
could
describe
that
we've
we've
heard
general
support
for
the
concepts
from
the
border.
I
don't
want
to
put
words
in
your
mouse,
but
the
feedback
is
generally
receptive
to
this
strategy
and
this
pilot
program,
and
just
we
probably
would
want
to
document
that
within
the
memo.
A
Great,
should
we
do
a
brief
show
of
hands?
Can
I
see
a
hand
showing
from
board
members
who
are
in
generalized
support,
including
the
recommendations
that
we've
offered
in
this
discussion.
G
C
Well,
I
just
want
to
thank
the
team-
that's
been
working
on
this
over
the
summer
and
and
for
the
rangers
to
daylight,
the
issues
that
they
were
seeing
and
how
they
have
tried
things
in
the
past
and
they
they're
running
on
solutions
running
out
of
solutions
and
wanted
to
bring
this
forward
so
and
for
the
adaptiveness
of
our
staff
on
being
open
and
willing
to
hear
from
great
community
com
comments
that
we
got
and
I'll
just.
C
I
opened
up
our
discussion
last
month
by
just
wanting
to
acknowledge
the
positivity
of
the
discussions
that
have
taken
place
between
our
community
members
and
the
staff,
and
it
was
it
was
really
great
to
see,
and
I
think
we
used
that
positivity
in
a
way
to
create
a
a
good
solution
here
that
we
could
we'll
be
looking
at
over
the
12
months
and
after
all,
these
initial
written
memos
describing
some
of
the
details
of
it.
C
We'll
of
course,
come
back
to
you
and
share
with
you
some
of
what
we're
learning
insane.
A
C
Well,
I'm
actually
not
going
to
take
15
minutes,
but
I
do
think
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
little
act,
little
and
large
actions
that
the
board's
been
taking
over
the
last
few
months
that
are
either
before
council
or
have
gone
through
council.
C
So
I
just
thought
I
would
just
take
a
couple
of
a
minute
or
two
to
just
kind
of
recap:
what's
still
coming
up
for
council
and
what
has
been
completed
and
being
completed
at
the
council
doesn't
mean
the
actual
project
has
been
completed,
but
that
approval
step
has
been
in
place
to
allow
us
to
move
to
completion.
So
in
terms
of
what's
ahead
september,
is
going
to
be
full
of
cu,
south
annexation,
the
application
and
the
council's
consideration
of
that.
C
So
I
know
how
I
put
these
dates
before
you,
and
I
know
you
all
are
tracking
it,
but
september
14th
will
be
the
night
of
staff
and
applicant
application
or
presentation,
as
well
as
the
public
hearing
portion,
and
also
clarifying
questions
from
council
on
september
14th.
C
They
then
will
be
reconvening
a
continuation
of
this
item
on
september
21st,
in
which
they
will
be
moving
into
the
deliberation
format
and
hopefully
they're
hoping
to
have
some
sort
of
decision
made
on
the
21st.
So
that's
see
you
south
in
terms
of
the
budget
where
that
is
resting
is
on
september.
28Th
there'll
be
the
first
reading
of
the
2022
budget
and
october
19th
is
set
for
the
second
reading,
with
with
the
decision
making
in
terms
of
the
budget
it.
C
Actually,
those
two
dates
are
actually
mimicking
what
we'll
be
bringing
forward
with
the
brc
change
and
the
description
of
how
we
intend
to
use
that
new
flexibility
in
the
night
time,
no
parking
hours
so
september,
28th
first
reading
october
19th
second
reading
we're
working
with
the
cac
to
determine
what
type
of
format
they
wanted
in.
C
Regarding
the
format,
it
will
be
a
you
know,
a
nice
extensive,
thorough
memo
that
will
be
provided
to
the
council,
and,
let
me
see,
I
think,
that
kind
of
council
talks
about
what's
ahead
in
terms
of
open
space
and
council
what's
been
completed
through
the
last
month
or
so
is
the
east
boulder,
ditch
easement
to
facilitate
the
fist
passage
has
moved
through
council.
The
raytheon
trail
easement
has
moved
through
council.
C
The
brc
changes
re
regarding
the
no
alcohol
has
moved
through
council,
the
ig,
the
updated
iga
with
county
to
provide
code
enforcement
officers
to
offer
parking
tickets
close
to
open
space
areas
has
moved
through
council,
the
sombrero
marshland
exchange
and
the
land
acknowledgement.
C
So
a
busy
past
couple
of
months
and
busy
month
ahead
for
council
in
relation
to
open
space
issues,
so
just
thought
it
would
be
nice
to
take
a
minute
or
two
just
to
kind
of
recap
where
we're
at
with
some
of
these
projects
that
have
been
brought
forward
to
you
over
the
course
of
the
last
three
or
four
months.
A
Thanks
dan,
I
see
caroline's
hand
up.
I
have
a
comment
too.
E
The
two
easements
that
you
talked
about
dan
will
that
have
anything
to
do
with
this
action
items
matter
from
the
department
november.
That
says
real
estate
services
program
update,
including
conservation
easement
program
update,
did
those
two
easements
that
just
went
to
anything
to
do
with
that.
C
No,
so
the
conservation
easement
program
is
so
we
have
about
8
000
and
some
change
plus
or
minus
acres
that
are
protected,
that
are
in
private
property
that
are
protected
through
conservation,
easement
agreements
that
the
open
space
department
is
charged
with
overseeing
and
managing
that
would
be
different
than
the
east,
boulder,
ditch
easement
a
little
bit
and
the
raytheon
trail
easements.
C
So
those
those
are
a
little
bit
different
of
easement
animals
and
what
we'll
probably
be
focusing
in
on
at
the
november,
which
will
be
really
talking
about
the
traditional
more
traditional
conservation,
easement
program
and,
of
course,
we'll
start
off
with
an
explanation
of
the
definition
of
what
that
is,
how
many
we
have
and
and
how
they
help
protect
their
lands.
B
A
Thank
you
on
the
cu
south
topic
just
quickly.
I
wanted
to
mention
here
publicly
in
this
meeting
and
for
the
benefit
of
other
board
members.
There
have
been
a
lot
of
changes
to
the
annexation
agreement,
of
course,
and
it's
hard
because
these
changes
are
not
provided
in
track
form.
A
A
Seeing
that,
given
how
much
time
and
effort
I
spent
trying
to
educate
people
about
the
importance
of
the
topic
for
this
board.
Essentially,
I
can't
help
but
read
it
as
them
saying
that
us
our
board
as
an
environmental
review
board
on
this
project,
which
has
spent
more
time
than
anyone
else
in
the
world,
certainly
more
time
than
any
federal
regulator,
fema,
etc,
will
spend
on
the
project,
is
somehow
less
relevant
or
uninteresting
to
city
council
and
to
the
other
people
negotiating
this
agreement.
A
So
I
just
thought
it
rises
to
a
level
where
I
wanted
to
voice
my
dissatisfaction
with
that.
I
know
it
won't
be
a
popular
view.
I
don't
imagine
my
co-board
members
will
be
pleased
to
read
it,
but
I
because
this
is
coming
up
so
quickly
wanted
to
take
this
moment
to
say
in
this
non-redlined
version:
get
your
spectacles
out
and
and
and
see
what
has
been
done
in
that
particular
area.
A
Dave,
I'm
not
exactly
sure
at
this
point.
What
what
to
do?
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time,
seated
looking
eye
to
eye
to
plenty
of
people
on
this
and
so
yeah.
I
haven't
really
decided
what
actions
are
appropriate
or
inappropriate,
but,
needless
to
say,
it's
I
think
gonna
create
problems
that
they
don't
anticipate
fully
or
understand
fully.
A
Dan,
do
you
have
any
other
verbal
updates?
Are
we
moving
into
matters
from
the
board.
E
Great
and
I'll
jump
in
because
it
seems
to
be
me
every
meeting
suggesting
this.
If,
if
the
board
would
like
a
five
minute
break
before
we
move
on
to
matters
from
the
board,
if
that's
where
we're
at
or
if
we
all
want
to
keep
going.
A
Let
me
try
this
out.
Is
there
going
to
be
some
questions
and
commentary
on
anything
in
the
written
information
from
board
members?
If
so,
let's
take
a
quick
break,
if
not,
I
feel
like
we
can
do
the
osbt
retreat
subcommittee
in
reasonable
time.
A
A
Great,
why
don't
we
take
a
very
brief
five
minute
break?
Let's
come
back
and
rejoin
at
8
59.
A
Hal,
yes
and
recording
has
begun
so
welcome
back
and
we
move
right
into
matters
from
the
board,
and
that
is
a
report.
An
update
from
you
dave
and
caroline
on
the
ospt
retreat
subcommittee.
D
So
caroline
do
you
want
me
to
start
real
quickly
and
then
you
jump
in
okay?
We
had
several
questions
for
the
board
that
we
thought
we
we
should
kind
of
get
clarified
tonight,
and
so
we
talked
with
dan
about
some
of
them
and
he
was
going
to
do
some
follow-up
to
see.
D
If
you
know
we
could
get
some
further
information,
the
main
one
related
to
the
the
meeting
itself,
and
so
we,
I
think,
we've
settled
on
october
20th
as
the
day
and
the
question
that
we'd
like
to
go
over
with
the
board
are
the
questions
are
several
one?
D
Is
we
think
that
the
the
retreat
in
from
our
material
probably
is
longer
than
a
three-hour
meeting,
and
so
we
wanted
to
find
out
if
board
members
were
interested
in
doing
what
would
basically
be
an
all
day,
but
maybe
a
three
hour
break
for
lunch
three
hour
morning
break
for
lunch
three
hour
afternoon
meeting
in
order
to
kind
of
get
through
all
the
things
that
caroline
and
I
think
that
we
should
consider
or,
alternatively,
whether
people
were
into
more
interested
in
two
half-day
meetings.
D
You
know
kind
of
back
to
back,
so
that
there
would
be
a
morning
or
afternoon
session
on
two
consecutive
days.
So
that
was
one
question.
The
other
one
was
that
and
dana.
I
don't
know
that
you've
actually
found
out,
but
we
caroline
and
I
were
definitely
interested
in
a
face-to-face
meeting,
and
so
we
wanted
to
find
out
if,
if
that's
possible
and
we're
we're
very
eager
to
make
that
happen.
D
If
we
can
so
we
just
wanted
to
check
with
other
board
members
and
see
if
you
had
any
thoughts
or
opinions
on
that
as
well.
So
those
were
the
kind
of
the
two
main
meeting
questions,
and
so
I
guess
dan,
I
don't
know
whether
you
want
to
jump
in
and
add
anything
else.
At
this
point.
C
I've
had
a
preliminary
discussion
regarding
board
and
council
in-person
meetings,
you're
not
going
to
like
the
initial
response,
but
council,
of
course
has
decided
to
delay
its
in-person
meetings
with
no
with
no
specific
date
in
mind
and
what
I've
asked
is
have
been
any
any
boards
or
councils
that
have
gone
ahead
of
council
and
met
in
person,
and
the
answer
has
been
no
so
then
I
said:
was
there
any
creative
solution
and
that's
where
we
left
it
to
discuss
one
of
the
things?
Well,
you
know
right
now.
C
C
We
all
just
have
to
be
aware
that
if,
if,
if
we
sort
of
get
the
go-ahead
to
do
something
of
a
hybrid
type
of
situation-
and
I'm
not
saying
that's
a
possibility,
but
let's
just
say
you
know
we're
going
to
have
to
be
in
a
mass
situation
for
the
day.
So
that's
one
consideration,
but
I'm
following
up
with
some
more
conversations
dave.
It
was
just
a
preliminary
conversation.
I
was
able
to
have
this
more
this
afternoon
and
it
kind
of
left
a
few
unanswered
questions
for
me
that
I
need
to
follow
up
on
so.
G
Two
comments:
I
went
to
a
parks
and
rec.
Oh
conventional
kind
of
open
house
might
have
been
in
june
or
july
out
at
that
building
by
eco
cycle
out
on
pearl,
whatever
that
is
called
and
people
were
wearing
masks.
But
it
was
a
conventional
open
house
with
about
a
hundred
people
in
that
room,
just
like
we've
done
for
the
last
10
years
or
more,
and
so
I
know
those
kinds
of
meetings
are
going
on
in
the
city,
and
I
would
I
would
assume
that
we
could
do
something
based
on
that.
G
C
G
And
I
personally
would
be
okay
with
either
half
days
or
whole
days.
I
have
no
idea
what
my
personal
situation
is
going
to
be
like
whether
I
could
be
there
in
person
or
whether
I
would
need
to
tune
in,
but
I
certainly
understand
the
desire
to
want
to
do
it
in
person.
F
Yeah,
I
I
think
in
I
I
have,
as
you
know,
two
kids
that
are
not
eligible
for
vaccination
and
meeting
in
person
is
not
something
that
I'm
willing
to
risk
at
this
point
in
time.
The
and
the
so
I
would
be
opting
for
the
hybrid
option
versus
an
in-person
option
as
much
as
I
would
love
to
get
together
and
then.
Secondly,
I
do
think
that
six
hours
is
a
lot
to
ask
for
a
retreat.
I
will
say
that
at
my
work
we
recently
had
a
retreat.
F
All
vaccinated
also
required
testing
in
the
in
my
backyard.
So
there's
only
five
of
us
and
what
we
did
is
we
distilled
down
five
days
worth
of
agenda
into
two
days
and
we
did
that
by
you
know
really
being
deliberate
about
what
we
took
on,
but
also
doing
some
level
of
pre-work
and
that
helped
facilitate
a
lot
of
the
conversation
that
we
were
able
to
have
within
those
two
days.
So
if
we
really
feel
like
that's,
you
know
an
entire
day's
worth
of
stuff
that
we
absolutely
should
take
on.
F
I
I
would,
you
know,
request
that
we
we
get
some
level
of
pre-work
sort
of
out
of
the
way
like
if
we
we
are
taking
on
certain
topics
that
we
all
sort
of
jot
down
our
thoughts
and
share
them
and
sort
of
hold
each
other
accountable
to
to
doing
our
homework
and
and
that
that
moves
conversations
along
pretty
smoothly
efficiently.
D
That's
a
good
idea,
michelle,
I
think
what
caroline
and
I
did,
and
we
appreciate
the
the
suggestions
that
everyone
sent
in
and
dan
at
staff
prepare
a
spreadsheet,
and
so
what
we
attempted
to
do
is
to
you
know,
incorporate
these
suggestions
from
board
members
kind
of
in
into
a
you
know,
kind
of
a
general
retreat
format,
and
so
what
we
initially
thought
is
well,
you
know,
there's
there's
some
kind
of
you
know
functional.
How
are
we
doing
kind
of
conversations
to
have
on
various?
D
You
know
specific
aspects
of
the
board
board's
work,
and
so
that
would
kind
of
be
yeah.
The
the
administrative
or
you
know
the
check-in,
and
you
know
making
sure
that
everyone's
got
some
kind
of
contribution
or
understanding
of
how
they
think
things
are
working
and
and
that
sort
of
thing,
and
then
we
thought
that
a
really
major
issue
was
the
the
visitation
levels
and
kind
of
impacts
from
visitation
and
how
we're
going.
D
How
we're
going
to
deal
with
you
know
both
increasing
visitation
and
and
impacts
from
that,
and
you
know,
I
kind
of
term
saw
it
as
what
I
termed
the
conundrum
in
the
box.
In
that
you
know
the
conundrum
is
that
we're
getting
a
lot
more
visitation,
which
is
what
we
really
want
to
encourage.
D
The
the
other
aspect
of
that
is
that
their
impacts
that
are
associated
with
that
in
the
box
is,
is
that
we
apparently
have
limited.
You
know
answers
or
options
to
deal
with
some
of
those
issues,
so
you
know
have
a
have
a
really
robust
discussion
about
how
we
think
that
we
ought
to
be
handling.
D
You
know
increased
visitation
and
including
in
that
is
then
you
know
the
the
recreation
management
plan,
a
process,
and
you
know
a
conversation
with
staff
on
that
and
then
the
third
major
thing
was,
you
know
the
focus
on
the
future.
Is
you
know
what
what
is
the
overarching
message
that
we
think
the
open
space
and
mountain
parks
program
really
needs
to
carry
for
the
next
50
years?
D
And
you
know
talk
generally
about
you
know
what
that
what
we
think
that
should
be,
and
what
that
includes,
so
that
there's
kind
of
a
wide-ranging
conversation
on
okay.
Where
do
we
think
the
commun
understanding
of
the
open
space
program
and
mountain
parks
program
is
and
what
that
should
mean
going
ahead
so
anyway,
we
we
thought.
E
No,
I
mean
that's
a
good
point
and
we
all
know
that
our
meetings
go
long
and
michelle.
You
do
have
a
really
good
point
about
doing
some
pre-planning
work
and
having
all
of
us
get
on
the
same
page
as
much
as
possible
prior
to
it.
But
when
you
said
that
it
kind
of
made
me
think
about,
we
can
do
the
pre-planning
work
to
try
and
have
a
shorter
retreat
meeting.
E
But
in
the
big
picture
it
is
one
day
or
you
know
possibly
two
split
up
whatever
we
all
decide
per
year
for
the
entire
year.
For
you
know
the
open
space
board
of
trustees,
so
it's
kind
of
like
the
pre-planning
for
the
planning
for
that
one
day,
but
that
one
day
is
kind
of
our
framework
for
the
entire
year.
A
Year
personally,
I'm
I'm
comfortable.
I
I
really
feel
like
you
guys,
have
done
a
great
job.
Putting
this
together.
I
think
six
hours
would
be
a
lot
easier
for
me
to
conduct
in
person
than
not
in
person.
A
E
D
You
know
what
one
area
where
or
one
place
we
were
thinking
about,
was
the
flagstaff
nature
center,
where
we
could
be
outdoors
theoretically
or
if
the
weather
were
inclement,
we
could
be
indoors
but
socially
distanced
either
way,
and
so
anyway,
it
was
kind
of
like
well.
There
may
be
venues
that
we
can
use
that
you
know
can
meet
the
needs
or
of
you
know
all
of
us,
and
hopefully
that's
true.
C
Yeah,
we're
definitely
going
to
have
to
look
at
the
technologies
that
are
involved
with
supporting
this
meeting,
because
it
will
definitely
be
a
hybrid
if
we're
able-
and
I
would
say
that
michelle's
concern
is
going
to
be
resting
with
individual
staff.
Members
too,
who
may
feel
more
comfortable
participating
in
a
hybrid
format
or
who
may
participate,
but
may
not
be
in
town
like
karen's
situation
might
be
so
we'll
need
the
technology
to
support
a
hybrid
meeting.
C
If
we're
able
to
you,
know
sort
of
get
the
go-ahead
to
have
some
in-person
element
to
this,
but
just
keep
in
mind
that,
with
that
as
city
employees
and
an
extension,
the
the
board
here
will
be
adhering
to
you
know
all
the
mandates
that
are
in
place
for
masks
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
so
and
if
we're
able
to
have
an
element
of
in
person
we
would.
E
Can
I
ask
how
karen
and
michelle,
if
we
all
decide
to
extend
it
over
the
three-hour
meeting?
Could
each
of
you
pop
on
the
mic,
real,
quick
and
just
say
what,
if
you
would
prefer
for
it
to
be
a
one
day
or
a
two
day
back-to-back
with
with
whatever
you
have
going
on
with
your
schedule?
If
you,
if
you
know
right
now,.
G
It
doesn't
matter
to
me
whether
it's
two
half
days
or
a
full
day,
I
I'm,
assuming
that
I
can
figure
out
a
way
to
make
it
work.
But
I
we
haven't
said
anything
about
the
public
and
it
has
to
be
a
publicly
noticed
meeting
right.
C
That's
right
and
another
reason
for
if
there
was
an
element
of
in
person
and
we
were
able
to
get
to
go
ahead
to
do
some
creativeness.
Well,
it's
going
to
have
to
be
a
hybrid
situation
where
we
have
the
technology
to
present
the
meeting
as
well
before
michelle
steps
in
I'll
just
say.
C
So
what
when
dave
asked
about
the
extending
of
beyond,
I
think
we're
originally
thinking
something
like
8
30
to
12,
30
or
something
like
that
is
to
have
a
good
break
at
lunch,
so
those
trustees
that
have
work
and
family
obligations
and
those
staff
members
that
need
to
kind
of
keep
track
of
the
day's
events.
That
we'd
have
something
from
like
8,
30
to
11,
30
a
two
hour
break,
come
back
and
then
1
30
to
4,
or
something
like
that
would
be
sort
of.
D
A
How
are
you
yeah,
I'm
comfortable
with
I'd,
probably
prefer
a
single
day
meeting,
but
I
can
do
two,
and
you
know
my
my
viewpoint
on
on
this-
is
being
influenced
by
what
I'm
seeing
in
a
non-profit
board
I
serve
and
other
places.
I
just
get
a
little
confused
at
a
certain
point.
A
At
some
point,
a
line
does
need
to
be
drawn,
and
I'm
I'm
enthusiastic
about
conducting
the
business
of
the
city.
F
I
want
I
want
life
to
move
on
as
well.
That
is,
unfortunately,
not
the
the
reality
that
I
that
I
live
in
today,
but
I
I
do
hope
that
we're
going
down
that
path.
I
mean
my
kid
had
a
sore
throat
today
and
last
week
and
like
got
tested
like
four
times
I
mean
it
sucks
I
mean
it
absolutely
sucks.
Unfortunately,
that's
the
the
reality.
I
just
don't.
F
I
don't
think
we're
quite
there,
yet
at
least
I'm
not
quite
there
yet,
and
you
know
you
know,
I
would
really
just
encourage
us
if
we
can
do
some
homework
or
you
give
us
those
topics.
F
You
know,
because
a
lot
of
time
is
thought
is,
is
you
know,
spent
on
pontificating
or
coming
up
with
ideas,
and
if
we
know
what
those
agenda
items
are
and
we
have
homework,
I
do
believe
it
can
be
compressed.
However,
you
know
if
you,
you
really
feel
like
you.
You
need
six
hours
of
work
time
you
know
for
for
those
of
us
who
who
do
have
full-time
jobs
as
well
as
family
obligations.
F
If
I
had
to
choose
oh
gosh,
what
day
is
that
again?
That's
october.
C
E
F
Okay-
and
I
mean
because
I
guess
we'll
have
to
post
this
fairly
soon
if
we
are
going
to
split
that
up
into
two
days
or
either
way
we'll
have
to
post
it
fairly
soon,
but
yeah
I'll
connect
back
with
you,
but
I
can
make
it
happen
either
way:
okay,.
D
So
why
don't
wanna
we'll
proceed?
I
think
what
we
would
like
to
do,
then,
is
we'll
start
crafting
a
draft
agenda
and
maybe
get
that
circulated
to
the
to
board
members.
D
So
you
can
take
a
look
at
it
and
see
what
you
think,
and
so
by
the
october,
by
yeah
the
october
board
meeting
we
should
be
definitive
on
whatever
it
is,
we're
going
to
do
and
so
staff
staff
would
need
you
know,
kind
of
a
couple
weeks,
probably
to
do
whatever
they
need
to
do
so
we
we
will
be
in
touch
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks
with
you
know
some
suggested
kind
of
a
suggested
agenda,
as
well
as
some
suggestions
as
far
as
how
we
might
do
some
pre-retreat
work
to
get
up
to
speed
on
whatever
the
topics
end
up
being.
F
Here
are
we
allowed
to
like
if
we
were
asked
to
think
about
and
jot
down
several
ideas
around
these
topics.
Are
we
allowed
to
share
that
on
like
a
shared
platform,
or
is
that?
Oh,
that's
probably
right
I
mean
that's,
probably
violating
open
meeting
rules.
D
C
D
It
sorry
so
we'll
look
at
kind
of
the
topics
and
time
frames
and
I'll
probably
get
back
to
you
and
again
we'll
have
to
kind
of
decide
whether
it's
a
one
day
or
two
half
day
deal.
But
we
should
be
able
to
do
that
relatively
soon
and
then
we'll
proceed
from
there.
D
C
Yeah
and
dave-
I
didn't
have
my
calendar
when
I
talked
to
you
today,
but
a
number
of
us
that
will
be
at
the
retreat
have
an
all-day
meeting
sandwiched
with
a
another
commitment
over
the
lunch
hour.
So
I'm
just
looking,
I
yeah
I'll,
be
with
the
the
whole
d
team
from
9
to
11
and
then
from
1
30
to
3
30
the
next
day
so
on
the
21st.
A
Tuesdays
are
not
preferable,
but
this
is
important.
Business.
E
D
So
why
don't
we
do
this
we'll
hold
that
thought
until
we
hear
from
you
michelle
on
what
you'd
like
to
do
and
then
we
can
kind
of
decide
what
works
best
is
that
okay.
F
Yeah,
that's
okay!
I
I
can
pull
off
all
day
on
wednesday
or
six
hours
on
wednesday.
O
E
Yeah,
I
think
that
that's
most
of
the
house
cleaning
stuff,
if
anyone,
if
the
other
three
board
members
after
tonight's
discussion
or
moving
forward,
think
of
something
that
that
they
think
is
important
to
share,
feel
free,
don't
feel
like
you're
gonna.
You
know
really
mess
up
the
schedule.
E
I
think
it's
really
important
for
all
of
us
to
say
what
we
need
to
say
during
our
retreat,
because
that's
really
kind
of
our
time
so
or
if
you
get
something
and
you
think
of
another
way
to
kind
of
turn
it
left
or
right,
then
just
let
us
know
and
and
we'll
we'll
make
it
happen.
D
And
just
so,
you
know,
we
caroline
and
I
and
dan
have
a
meeting
on
the
21st
to
kind
of
kind
of
get
things
in
a
final
form.
D
So,
two
weeks
from
this,
what
yesterday,
I
guess
will
be
the
the
time
that
the
three
of
us
put
our
heads
together,
so
we'll
shoot
for
trying
to
get
some
substantive
ground
done
by
then
so
that
we
can
start
making
some
final
decisions.
G
D
Great
thank
you
and,
and
thank
you
to
to
all
of
you
for
the
suggestions.
We've
tried
to
incorporate
all
of
them
in
some
fashion
as
part
of
the
whole
retreat
conversation,
so
we'll
keep
working
on
that.
A
G
Yeah,
I
I
have
some
concerns
and
questions
about
the
voice,
insect
voice
and
tag
program,
written
information
document
that
was
attached
to
our
packet
for
this
month,
and
I
would
like
to
request
that
we
place
that
item
on
the
october
13th
agenda
specifically
for
for
attention
to
adaptive
management
pieces
in
that
item
and
master
plan
priorities.
G
A
Okay,
dan,
I
know
we
have
potentially
some
real
estate
business.
That's
being
added
to
that
agenda.
C
Yeah
yeah,
we
do,
I
I
don't
know
the
scale
of
it
yet.
Bethany
will
be
back
in
town
next
week
to
provide
me
with
the
details,
but
she
did
confirm
that
she,
and
so
I
went
ahead
internally
and
put
it
on
the
agenda.
I
would
imagine
this.
C
That's
that's
correct,
right,
yep.
It
was
something
that
I
handed
to
hal
that
we
might
be
seeing
come
down
the
pike.
This
fall
there's
a
couple
of
things
out
there
that
are
stewing,
and
so
I
think
that
that,
and
one
of
them
is
definitely
going
to
be
landing
in
your
laps.
It's
not
a
big
item,
but
it
certainly
is
going
to
need
attention
and
steve.
I
just
saw
you
hop
in,
but
I'm
also
wondering
and
maybe
steve
you're
going
to
ask.
C
It
too
is
get
a
little
clarification,
but
that's
a
big
subject
matter
that
whole
master
plan
strategy,
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
you,
if
you
could
pinpoint
a
little
bit
within
that
of
of
what
your
particular
interest
is
so
staff
has
an
idea
of
what
you're
asking
and.
R
G
R
C
Yeah,
well,
I
think
what
hal
and
I
would
need
to
know
when
we
touch
based
on
the
agenda.
Is
you
know
what
what
the
scope
of
it
is?
How
much
time
it
is
in
relationship
to
the
other
items
that
are
that
are
going
to
be
on
the
calendar
just
so
we
we
can
create
a
sustainable
meeting
so
yeah
if
we
can
get
some
sort
of
sense
of
yeah
the
scope
of
the
item.
C
A
G
I
don't
I'm
not
sure
what
you're
saying
I
don't
necessarily
agree
with
the
statement
you
just
made,
but
I
you
know
I
I
have
no
intention
of
getting
in
to
the
weeds
on
this
tonight
because
I
think
it
would
add
more
more
than
five
or
ten
minutes
to
this
agenda.
A
G
I
was
not
looking
at
changing
making
a
recommendation
to
staff
in
general.
I
was
looking
at
making
some
revisions
to
this
document
specifically.
A
G
Have
some
questions
I
have
some
questions
about
how
how
it
has
addressed
the
priorities
in
the
master
plan
and
or
not.
G
And
also
how
it
has
addressed
addressed
how
it
has
defined
an
adaptive
management
strategy
and
when
I
use
the
word
adaptive
management,
I'm
using
the
department
of
interior's
definition
of
adaptive
management.
A
Okay
and
and-
and
I
guess,
I'm
worried
about
using
the
full
board
and
staff's
time
to
modify
the
update
if
there's
a,
if
there's
a
desire
to
move
towards
something
the
board,
would
consideration
for
action
or
recommendation.
A
I
think
that
merits
everybody's
time,
but
for
what
you
just
said,
would
it
be
better
to
just
share
your
your
feelings
on
that
directly
with
the
authors
and,
frankly
I
I
I
think,
I'm
I
understand-
or
I
think
I
understand
where
you're
headed
and
generally
support
the
idea
myself.
I
do
just
what
need
to
be
clear
as
we
talk
to
dan
about
the
agenda
and
the
trade-offs
of
other
important
issues
about
what
we're
attempting
to
do.
E
Can
I
jump
in
here
as
well?
So
when
you
get
to
the
end
of
the
document,
it
says
anticipated
next
steps
under
rrse
one.
It
says
here
continue
implementing
measures
from
approved
plans
to
mitigate
impacts
of
increasing
visitation
in
specific
locations,
while
also
updating
the
system-wide
visitor
use
management
plan,
and
I
know
that
that's
something
that's
going
to
be
discussed
in
the
retreat.
So
knowing
that
that's
something
that
staff
wants
to
bring
up
in
the
retreat
are.
E
Are
we
saying
that
we
don't
really
know
what
we're
doing
with
the
voice
insight
and
we're
going
to
kind
of
pause
it
at
this
point,
because
we
know
that
a
recreation
management
plan
is
looming
and
that
document
being
created
will
kind
of
make
the
framework
for
this
one
is
that
dan
is
that
kind
of
what
staff
is
thinking
with
that,
or
am
I
completely
off,
which
is
okay,
too.
C
Yeah
you're
a
little
off.
I
think
the
idea
for
the
conversations
around
wreck
management
and
and
the
increasing
visitation
was
was
suggested
by
board
members
so
and
and
then
and
in
terms
of
staff
thinking,
we
need
to
change
or
or
put
the
program
on
pause.
While
we
wait
for
something,
that's
that
wouldn't
be
accurate.
E
Well,
I
guess
what
I
meant
to
say
with
that,
like
the
the
campaigns
would
would
go
on,
but
as
far
as
like
are
we
done
and
completed
with
with
surveying
dog
and
leash
use
at
this
time?
Is
that
why
this
written
memo
was
given
to
us?
Because
all
of
that
was
completed
or
no.
B
J
E
B
R
Insight
tag
so
again
focusing
on
how
can
we
do
better
signage
outreach
communication
around
the
what's
currently
now
the
the
fall
unleash
seasonal
unleash
restrictions
for
bear
activity,
and
so
certainly
there's
a
number
of
different
action,
steps
that
we're
continuing
to
try
to
pilot
and
implement
around
the
voice
and
site
tag
program,
but
those
are
still
within
policy,
and
so
we
feel
that's
our
adaptive
zone
right
now
to
continue
to
pilot
and
take
actions
there.
I
think
where
there's
been
interest
is
in
in
perhaps
when
we're
taking
a
broader
look
at
the
overall
program.
R
That's
something
that's
best
put
in
that
context
of
looking
in
a
more
comprehensive
way,
with
a
kind
of
a
planning
process
and
a
public
engagement
process
behind
it
too,
and
so
I
think
that's
where
we're
saying
it's
not
where
if
we
didn't
have
kind
of
a
opportunity
here
with
a
rec
plan
forthcoming,
we
might
say
in
a
different
time
or
a
different
way
saying
we
need
to
now
open
up
and
look
at
the
voice.
Insight
tag
in
a
much
broader
way,
really
look
at
those
policy
pieces
independently.
R
But
we
really
have
this
right
opportunity
and
coming
up
to
us
that
it's
the
right
way
to
link
it
in.
So
it
is
more
comprehensive
and
that's
going
to
be
the
right
way
to
start
looking
at
that,
and
some
I
think
some
of
the
conversation
at
the
retreat
might
help
a
lot
with
that.
Some
of
the
conversation
about
you
know
increasing
visitation
adaptive
management,
that's
not
applying
only
to
the
voice
and
site
tag,
but
how
we
apply
it
in
many
ways
and
what
do
we
do
for
setting
up
direct
objectives
goals?
R
D
You
know,
as
as
an
example
of
the
broader
you
know,
concepts
that
were
were
interested
in
discussing,
so
I
would
suggest
that
we,
we
include
this
as
an
example
of
a
conversation
in
the
retreat
and
perhaps
not
necessarily
have
it
come
back
to
the
october
13th
board.
Meeting
at
this.
G
Well,
I
was,
I
was
just
gonna,
follow
steve's
comment
with
the
ex
the
flip
of
what
you
said
dave,
because
I
think
we
could
benefit
a
lot
from
a
shorter
discussion
specifically
around
this
example
to
presage
the
retreat
and
enable
us
to
do
the
kind
of
advanced
thinking
that
michelle
is
advocating.
And
I
agree
with
you
michelle
on
that
by
looking
at
at
this
specific
example.
A
Yeah,
I'm
too
tired
the
the
the
thing
I
just
I
want
to
be
careful
about
pressing
a
pres
setting
up
a
precedent
of
opening
up
discussions
on
updates
to
the
board.
I'm
I'm
open
to
the
idea
of
a
board
member
saying.
I
think
that
staff
has
aired
in
this
way
and
I'd
like
to
see
if
the
rest
of
the
board
agrees.
A
Is
an
action-oriented
step,
I'm
open
to.
A
Okay,
so
I
will
work
with
dan:
let's
bring
up
a
specific
itemization
of
those
things
and,
let's
just
be
ready
to
present
it
concisely,
and
rather
than
so
much
being
a
discussion,
we'll
we'll
just
find
out
whether
the
rest
of
the
board
agrees
on
those
general
sentiments
or
not,
and
that
that
feels
to
me
like
we're,
then
conducting
business
as
opposed
to
just
adding
a
discussion
on
the
update.
A
A
We
should
explore
some
specific
guidance
about
adaptive
management
within
voice
and
site
both
of
those
themes
like
productive
use
of
time.
A
B
A
All
right
dan,
we,
when
we
get
into
the
agenda,
setting
let's
look
and
see
what
these
other
items
are
and
at
the
least
karen,
let's
establish
a
matters
from
the
board
where
you're
ready
to
present
on
what
you
think
is
wrong
with
the
document
really
quickly
and
concisely.
G
A
Okay,
great
but
but
the
point
is
we've
we've
spent
20
minutes
and
we
still
don't
have
those.
I
mean
you
kind
of
point
it
at
roughly.
But
if
we
have
really
specific
questions
then
we
can.
We
can
cover
that
ground.
G
F
One
just
comment
about
the
document:
I
we
did
get
a
pandemic
dog
last
year
last
september
and
and
the
kids
and
I
took
the
online
training
and
we
did
the
quiz
together
and
I
just
have
to
tell
you
that
it
is
awesome
and
when
we
do
go
out
for
a
hike
which
he's
not
allowed
off
leash
right
now,
because
because
we,
my
kids,
know
the
rules
and
they
know
like
well,
if
he's
not
paying
attention,
he
should
not
be
off
leash,
and
so
I
just
want
to
say
that
it
was
excellent
training.
F
It
is
excellent
training,
the
quiz
at
the
end,
you're
not
allowed
to
skip,
and
you
know
if
you
get
it
wrong,
you
got
to
go
back
over
and
it
just
held
our
whole
family,
accountable
to
the
the
rules
of
the
program,
the
privilege
that
you
have
to
participate
in
this
program.
So
I
just
want
to
say
well
done.
I
hope
you
keep
the
online
format
even
past
the
pandemic.
F
I
know
you
were
developing
it
before
the
pandemic,
but
but
I
do
hope
that
you,
you
keep
that
and
I
just
want
to
say
good
job.
E
And
then,
just
to
add
from
what
karen
said
and
to
include
what
michelle
was
saying
about,
pre-planning,
I
think
for
all
of
the
board
members.
It
would
perhaps
behoove
us
to
look
into
the
department
of
the
interior
adaptive
management
program
policies,
whatever
the
right
word
is
and
see
if
we
all
have
the
time
before
these
meetings
and
discussions
to
know
what
that
looks
like
since
it
seems
like
that
might
be
some
sort
of
framework
to
that.
E
B
A
Okay,
great
any
other
questions
or
comments
for
the
good
of
the
order.
A
Wonderful
well,
we
certainly
appreciate
everybody's
time
and
participation
this
evening.
Thank
you
to
all
the
staff
members.
Certainly
the
climate
report
was,
I
thought,
very
engaging
and
interesting.