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Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:.
I
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
sarah
silver
is
not
with
us
today,.
I
will
say
that
it's
something
good,
not
bad,,
so
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
sarah.
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jean
gatza,
moderator
(she):,
and
we
ask
that
folks
sign
up
or
display
their
full
name
or
the
name
that
they're
commonly
known
by
in
on
the
zoom
thing,,
and
if
you
can't
figure
out
how
to
change
that.
Sometimes
it's
hard
in
this
webinar
version,.
You
can
send
that
to
me
in
the
q
amp
a
and
I
can
change
it
for
you.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
hearings.
pb,,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
for
tonight,.
We
have
to
public
hearings
that
the
first
one
is
an
annexation
agreement
for
1420
to
55th
street,
and
the
second
one
is
a
site
review
and
related
amendments
to
the
tv
app
village
area
plan
for
fire
station
number.
Three
at.
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A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
can't
imagine
too
many
people
have
been
discussing
this
one
with
the
others,,
but
we
do
need
to
disclose
any
conflict
potential
conflict
of
interest.
Does
anyone
have
any
potential
conflict
of
interest
on
this
item.
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Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
I
would
love
to
good
evening
members
of
the
board,
charles
pharaoh
planning
and
development
services.
Sloan
walbert.
Our
case
manager
is
going
to
present
staffs
analysis
tonight.
She'll
also
be
joined
by
kurt
for
haber,
our
director
of
housing
and
human
services
so
slow.
Take
it
away.
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Cob,
sloane
walbert:
and
then,
lastly,.
The
amendment
must
be
found
to
be
consistent
with
the
original
intent
of
the
annexation
agreement
and
planning
board
is
required
to
make
make
a
recommendation
to
city
council
and
then,
following
that
recommendation,
the
amendment
would
require
approval
by
city
council.-.
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Cob,
sloane
walbert:
and
under
the
annexation
agreements
as
part
of
redevelopment
and
the
new
dwelling
units
on
the
property
are
required
to
meet
the
affordability
requirements
in
the
annexation
agreement.
The
apple
can
approach
the
city
last
year
with
a
proposal
to
develop
the
property
with
14
townhome.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:.
Thank
you
soon,
okay!
Well,
let's
go
ahead
and
open
it
up
for
questions.
Georgie.
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Kurt
firnhaber
housing,
housing
and
human
services:,
so
the
the
annexation
that
we
bring
forward.
We
don't
typically
have
the
expertise
to
do
the
financial
analysis
of
them.
When
we
update
our
inclusion,
very
housing,
ordinance,
however,,
we
often
hire
a
consultant
to
run
that
analysis
for
the
for
any
kind
of
changes
to
the
to
the
policy..
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Kurt
firnhaber
housing,
housing
and
human
services:
yeah,
that's
correct,
um.
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lisa
smith:,
so
I
mean,
I
think,
we'll
get
into
discussion.
Later.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
but
if
it
does,
that
the
the
annexation
modification
just
says
to
the
maximum
development
potential
yeah,
I
don't
think
if
we
can
get
14
honestly.
If
we
have
to
stick,
it
got
3000
because
the
number
of
acres
in
or
the
number
of
square
feet
in
an
acre
divided
by
3000s
about
14,.
So
I
think.
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J
Pb,
peter
vitale:,
I
appreciated
workers
going
there,,
which
is
what
we
will
get
out
of
this
at
the
this
is
our
chance
to
get
something
out
of
this
and
what
it
is
we're
going
to
get
out,.
So
the
question
sorry,
the
question
is,.
Do
we
not
know
where
the
14
number
came
from
grounded
in
some
reality
and.
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Kurt
firnhaber
housing,
housing
and
human
services:
so.
kurt
firnhaber
housing,
housing
and
human
services:
you're
you're
correct
that
there
may
be,
they
would.
They
would
likely
get
more
rent
from
that
for
a
new
units,.
But
we
do
know
that
there's
market
units,,
but
the
net
price
range.
So
we're
not
really
we're
not
really
adding
much.
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Kurt
firnhaber
housing,
housing
and
human
services:
I
mean,
gives
them
the
opportunity
to
do
rental
units,.
So
if
we
do
nothing,,
they
can
go
ahead
and
develop.
You
know
the
14
units,.
We
will
struggle
to
figure
out
a
way
to
monitor
and
implement
those
types
of
rental
units
within
our
affordable,
portfolio.
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G
Kurt
firnhaber
housing,
housing
and
human
services:,
because
I
don't
think
if
we
did
make
them
like
if
we,
if
we
said
that
you
need
to
do
the
same.
Equivalent
number
of
d,
restricted
for
sale
units,
um.
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G
Kurt
firnhaber
housing,
housing
and
human
services:,
it
could
be
in
the
in
the
developer,.
Could
you
know
address
that
as
well.
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Kurt
firnhaber
housing,
housing
and
human
services:
but.,
kurt
firnhaber
housing,
housing
and
human
services:,
the
annexation
agreements
that
we've
made
over
the
last
several
years,,
particularly
for
small
properties
like
this
with
a
very
high
community.
Can
you
benefit?
We
really
haven't
seen
them
develop?
That's
that's!
Actually,
on
our.
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Jorge
boone:
well,,
I
have
a
question
for
you
around
the
maximum
practical
density
and
how
that's
defined
kind
of
going
back
to
peter's
question
but
see
if
we
could
get
a
little
bit
better
understanding,
if
we
have
to
get
from
the
applicant
to.
But
I'm
just
curious
what?
How
that?
How
is
that
defined.
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Don
altman:,
I
have
our,
believe
it
or
not,
I
haven't,
run
those
numbers.
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A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
maybe
a
month,
okay
other
questions,,
while
someone
is
looking
at
it,
john.
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pb
john
gerstle:,
asking
about
conditions
with
a
minimum
number
of
additional
units
or
or
the
expected
number,
and
I'm
I
have
to
I'm
still
trying
to
get
a
feel
for
from
your
comments,.
What?
What
is
that
number
that
you
would
find
acceptable
if
there
if
there
was
a
condition
of
a
minimum
number
of
additional.
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pb,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:,
30
seconds
or
so
awake,
and
now
suddenly
I
see
my
window
is
half
of
the
screen.
That's
why
I
don't
see
any
hands
raised:
okay,
good,,
so
we
have
two
people
with
hands
raised
so
far,
we'll
start
with
linda
seagull,
followed
by
lisa
spalding
men
are,
you
should
be
able
to
unmute.
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A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
thank
you,,
then
okay,
next
we'll
hear
from
lisa
spalding.
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Pb,
lisa
smith:
about
it
in
ways,.
You
know
proposals
both
from
other
members
of
planning,
board
and
and
members
of
the
public
about
how
it
might
be
better,
fair,
points.
I
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I
Pb,
lisa
smith:
and
I'm
curious
to
see
if
other
members
of
the
board,
you
know
have
another
solution
that
I
haven't
seen,,
but
you
know,.
I
have
to
say
that
I
I'd
rather
see
some
small
homes
kind
of
like
toby's
lane
or
some
townhomes
or
something
similar
versus
another
7000
square
foot
house
up
there.
A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:
and
also,
maybe
make
some
general
comments,.
But
you
know
when
I
read
it,
and
when
I
read
the
the
under
the
annexation
agreement
as
part
of
redevelopment.
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A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
not
expand
that
much
and
if,
if
that,
if
I'm
wrong
on
that,
we
may
want
to
consider
how
we
could
have
a
stopgap,,
but
it
seems
like
the
developed.
The
property
owner
isn't
really
interested
in
that.
Otherwise
it
would
have
happened
already
helen.
Did
you
want
to
weigh
in
on
that.
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I
I
Pb,
lisa
smith:
there
may
be
something
better,.
I
don't
know
what
it
is.
You
know
but,,
but
I
just
want
us
to
be
very
honest
with
ourselves
about
what
is
likely
to
occur
on
that
personal,
at
least
financially.
What
what
would
make
sense
to
develop
if,
if
we
choose
not
to
move
forward
with
this.
A
A
A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:.
So
thank
you
for
that
I'll
go
ahead
and
different
other
comments,,
because
I
know
that
john
you
want
to
go
next.
H
Pb
john
gerstle:
yeah.
Thank
you.
I
have
to
say
that
I'm
very
sympathetic
with
to
what
the
city
is
staff
is
is
seeking
to
accomplish
with
this,
and
I
perceive
it.
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J
Pb,
peter
vitale:,
you
know
these
are
all
these
little
singles
and
doubles,
or
skirmishes
or
whatever
metaphor,
you
want
to
use
to
to
achieve
our
housing
goals.
They'll
comment
as
an
odd
ways
and
I'll
take
this
one,,
even
though
I
really
I
do
agree
with
was
george
you
and
john
from
the
beginning.
Of.
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Cob,
sloane
walbert:,
so
I
guess
sarah
in
terms
of
the
density.
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Jorge
boone:
admin,
we
can
wait
for
a
vote,,
but
that
that
that's
going
to
be
my
position
and
I
and
I'm
not
a
podium.
The
shame
is
I'm
not
opposed
to
any
of
this,,
but
I
think,
as
as
a
planning
board
member
I'm
being
made
to
to
have
a
decision
on
something
where
we
have
completely
inadequate
information.
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Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city
attorney:,
I
guess,,
I
would
say
that,
generally.
The
recording
to
move
forward
is
to
come
in
front
of
the
planning
board
and
you
should
try
to
make
emotion
that
recommend
something
and
I
think
the
emotion
could
be.
I
think
you
can
also
ask
the
applicant
about
his
thoughts
to
come.
Back.
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A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:
yeah.
I
wonder
about
that
because
we
don't
really
know
what
the
because
we
don't
know
what
the
these
units
are
going
to
sell
for.
So
if
they.
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A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
let's
see.
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I
Pb,
lisa
smith:
for
you
to
consider
voting
to
approve,
or
even
with
this
language,.
If
you
feel
that
you
could
not
go
to
approve
you
know
just
so,
we
get
a
sense
of
which
direction.
We're
going.
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A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
yeah.
So
what
would
be
a
wording,
instead
of
just
saying,
be
address
that
might
get
to
what
we're
looking
for
here.
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pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
but
if
the
city
could
maximize
the
dwelling
unit,
cashin
little
amount
beyond
25,000
per
new
dwelling
unit,,
since
this
is
significantly
less
than
would
be
paid
under
today's
influence
housing
program
and
how
this
annexation
could
address.
Boulders
missing
middle
goals.
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Cob,
elaine
mclaughlin:,
the
east,
west
and
south
facades
have
those
large
overhangs,,
as
you
can
see
it
intended
to
shade
the
glass
in
the
hot
summer
months
and
then,
of
course,
lead
in
passive
solar
in
the
winter
months,.
And
then
the
applicants
also
proposing
that
green
roofs
using
seton
plantings.
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A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
document,
I
was
looking
elaine
at
the.
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K
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A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
and
thank
you
elaine
any
other
questions.
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A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:,
already,
well,.
I
think
it's
perfectly
fine
to
to
have
a
verbal
presentation
that
doesn't
go
up
to
the
full
15
minutes.
That's
great!
It
certainly
gives
us
the
opportunity,
then,
to
ask
you
any
questions
that
we
might
have
anything
else
you
wanted
to
cover
before
we
open
it
up
to
questions.
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A
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K
K
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A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
which
was
pretty
much
the
same,
that
I
saw
in
concept
review
as
well,,
so
I
think
it
speaks
to
how
important
we
feel
public
safety
is
and
what
a
great
addition,
this
is
gonna,
be
so
we'll
see
how
things
how
people
feel
and
liberation,.
So
if
there
are
no
more
questions,
we'll
go
ahead,
and.
A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
close
that
often
then
and
open
up
the
public
hearing.
We
are
almost
two
yeah
we're
a
little
way
since
we
last
took
a
break,.
So
why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
take
four
minutes,,
so
people
get
a
chance
to
stretch
their
legs,.
You
need
something
to
drink
and
not
come
back
in
about.
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Michael
calderazzo,
boulder
fire-rescue:,
using
space
at
our
training
center,
which
is
out
of
the
rez
and
so
we're
on
borrowed
time,
so
we're
kind
of
in
a
crunch
as
well
to
get
our
people
into
the
more
permanent
administrative
offices.
So
so
that's
some
of
the
logic
to
behind
moving
forward
with
it
as
quickly
as
we
can.
A
A
pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:.
So
if
that's
the
case,
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
hearing
and
move
on
to
deliberation,,
we
were
given
two
key
issues:
tonight,
the
first
one
being.
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A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:,
so.,
pb,,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:
yeah.
I
mean
I'll
I'll
go
ahead
and
just
make
make
my
speech
on
this
one.
You
know
I
people
know
that
I'm
an
avid.
A
A
A
A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
it's
just
the
minor
things
that
we
we
kind
of
cringe
because
we,
we
know
that
you
know
we
could
be
looking
at
treatment
along
30th.
That
would
make
sense
that
would
have
the
bike
path.
Co,
co,
located
with
the
with
the
sidewalk
and
separated
from
the
street
by
the
trees.
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A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
but
I'll
open
it
up,
and
of
course
I
won't
be
on
the
board
after
march.
So
it's
kind
of
up
to
the
three
of
you
to.
Let
us
know
if
you
have
any
concerns
or
anything.
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A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:-
let's
see
that
was
that
was
easy
enough.
So
any
other
matters
from
staff
at
this
point.
A
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
I
think.
pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
so
from
the
board,.
I
have
one
matter
and
then
anybody
else
can
jumped
in.
I
was
noticing
that
the
american
planning
association
conference
is
in
san
diego
in
april
april,
30
to
may
3
and
back
before.
Coven
we
use
out
of
the
training
budget
for
planning
board,
be
able
to
send
some.
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I
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A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
and
I
chose
the
race
nice
one
for
april
2
and
I'm
doing
escape
ski
race
on
the
31st
the
day
of
the
meeting,.
So
I
will
have
done
in
a
25
k,
skate
ski
race,
at
least
it's
not
the
50
k
marathon
that
I'm
doing
two
days,
later,
but,
and
then
I
have
to
stay
up
all
night
and
talk
to
you
guys.
So.