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Vivian
castro-wooldridge,
cob:
co-created
by
the
city,
staff
and
community
for
productive,,
meaningful,
and
inclusive
civic
conversations,,
and
this
vision
is
really
designed
to
promote
free
conversation
and
dialogue,,
while
also
recognizing..
We
want
to
make
sure.
everyone
who
participates
tonight
feels
6,,
and
we
want
to
ensure
that
we
make
space
for
different
viewpoints
and
our
meetings.
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john
gerstle:
and
we
have
one
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john
gerstle:
public
hearing
item,,
and
that
is
the
concept
plan
review
for
56
75
0r
alcohol..
So
if
your
comments
pertain
to
that,,
then
please
wait
until
we
engage
in
that
public
hearing
portion
of
the
meeting..
But
if
you
want
to
talk
to
us
about
anything,
else.
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Shannon
moeller,
cob:
and
my
understanding
is
yes,.
They
would
like
to
actually
split
that
piece
of
it
off
that
northern
little
slice
of
it,
and
actually
donate
that
to
the
city,,
and
that
would
just
give
the
city
a
little
bit
more
complete
control
over
it.,
complete
control
of
the
maintenance
and
and
everything
going
on.
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Pb,
mark
mcintyre:
don't,
agree
on
what
they
thought.
They
agreed
upon:
20
0r
30
years
ago,,
and
so
I
was
concerned
that
this
was
again
something
like
that.,
but
it
doesn't
seem
like
that.
So
as
long
as
it's,,
not
adversarial,
and
everyone's
happy
with
this,,
then
that
sounds
great,,
but
it
it..
It
made
me
wonder.
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Bethany
collins,
cob,
osmp:
no,,
she
hi
everyone.,
bethany
collins.,
I'm
the
real
estate
manager
for
open
space
and
mountain
parks,,
and
I
was
just
turning
on
in
case.
I
needed
to
to
answer
additional
questioning
that
that
shannon
couldn't,
but
she's
covered
it
pretty.
Well,
it
was.
if
there's
nothing
adversarial
about
it,,
it's
a
donation
from
these
property
owners.
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Bethany
collins,
cob,
osmp:,
it
doesn't
and
I'm
not
sure
if
you
remember
not
as
part
of
the
approvals
there,
they
did
dedicate
a
trail
easement
to
the
city..
I
had
to
convey
a
trail.
he's
been
to
the
city
over
the
portion
of
the
trail,
that
is
als0
0n,
their
property.,
so
we?,
and
they
have
done
that.
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Lynn,
segal:
commercial
building
with
gibbons
white,
all
over
it,
and
finally,
after
10
min
of
riding
around
to
find
their
address.
and
they
don't
have
any
other
dresses..
I
can't
serve
them
small
claims
if
they're
in
another
place
very
easily
in
westminster
or
north
korean.,
but
guess
what
they
left.
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Lynn,
segal:
and
guess:
what?
lynn,
segal:
now?
on
highways.,
there's
storage
lockers
all
along
the
highways.,
so
those
people
when
they,,
because
guess
what
they're
not
going
to
stay
in
their
300
square,
foot
place,
and
the
communal
space.
Isn't
that
big.?
I
went,
and
I
walked
it
to
laura..
I
walked
all
around
that
little
parking.
Lot.
it'd
be
great.
If
there's
some
housing
in
there,
but
not
45.
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Lynn,
segal:,
you
know
my
brother
is
in
between
jobs,
now.
he's
staying
at
my
brother's
house,
and
my
brother
won't
even
let
him.
you
know
he's
in
the
shed..
My
brother
won't
even
let
him
in
the
house
to
use
the
bathroom
because
of
vaccination.
Issues.,
there's
a
housing
crisis
in
boulder,,
a
severe
one.
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H
Chandler
van
schaack
(he/him/his),
cob:,
the
land
use
designation..
There
is
the
same.,
it
reflects
the
the
bvc.
p.
it's
light,
industrial.
it's
not
located
within
an
area
of
change,
although,.
As
you
can
see,
here,
it
is
close
to
the
fifty-fifth
and
a
rap
host
station
area.
That's
the
pink
checkered
area
over
there.
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Chandler
van
schaack
(he/him/his),
cob:
trip.
generation
study
will
be
required
prior
t0
0r
at
the
time
of
site
review,
to
determine
if
a
traffic
study
will
be
required..
The
site
is
located
adjacent
to
the
future
alignment
of
the
rtd.
fast
tracks,
rail
corridor
that
will
hopefully
someday
connect
denver
to
boulder
and
longmont.
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Chandler
van
schaack
(he/him/his),
cob:
that
there
was
a
kind
of
a
snapping
with
a
submittal,
and
I
guess
the
applicant
had
thought
they
had
submitted
architectural
renderings..
But
we
had
not
received
them..
So
I
did
get
those
architectural
renderings
today,,
and
so
I
will
be
showing
those
to
you,
and
I
apologize
because
it
will
be.
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So
chandler
van
schaack
(he/him/his),
cob:
sometimes,.
If
something
is
chandler
van
schaack,
(he/him/his),
cob:
not
quite
allowed
by
right.,
but
we
don't..
You
know
the
code.
doesn't
feel
that
it's
necessary
to
put
the
put
it
through
an
entire
use.
review,
or
a
site
review
for
height
modification,.
Then
there
can
be
conditional
standards
that
basically
allow
things
under
certain
conditions.
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Chandler
van
schaack
(he/him/his),
cob:,
we
could
encourage
it..
We
cannot
require
it..
You
know
it.,
it's
kind
of
up
to
them..
If
they
want
provider
like
concept
of
view,,
it's
kind
of
at
their
own
risk,
because,,
as
you
say,
it
just
it
kind
of
diminishes
their
ability
to
receive
feedback
prior
to
site
review.
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pb,,
laura
kaplan:
thank
you..
I
have
just
a
couple
of
questions.
one
is,.
I
think,.
I
read
in
staff's
comments
that
the
applicant
would
be
not
just
encouraged,
but
required
to
relocate
that
parking.,
that's
kind
of
towards
the
front
of
the
proposed
site
design
is
that..
Am
I
understanding
that
correctly?.
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F
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
and
I
think
you
were
recommending
that
they,
they
close
the
one
that's
to
the
east.
and
that
they
share
an
access
with
their
neighbor
to
the
east.
and
then
also
that
this
parking
lot
that
we
kind
of
see
in
the
lower
right
portion
of
the
screen
that
that
parking
lot
would
have
to
go.
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F
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
okay,
thank
you.,
pb,,
laura
kaplan:.
That
was
my
one
question,
and
then
I
have
one
more,,
which
is
so..
I
did.
I
did
go
walk.
this
sites..
This
is
a
a
piece
of
advice.
I
took
from
crystal
gray
is
go
visit
whenever
you
can.,
so
I
did
walk
around
here..
That
pond
is
completely
dry
right
now
and
then
this.
this
spot,
where
the
buildings
are
located.
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F
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
okay,
and
that-
and
that
was
for
a
previous
concept
of
having
storage
units
here,,
which
would
have
been
a
much
less
valuable
land
use
than
this
office
space,.
So
maybe
it's
worth
it
to
them,
now.
okay,!
So
that's
that
explains
why
there's
that
sort
of
sharp,
gradient
increase
that
there
is
some
fill
there..
How
does
that
interact
with
the
idea
of
having
subterranean
parking.
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H
Chandler
van
schaack,
(he/him/his),
cob:,
you
know
everything.
they'll
have
to
go
through
the
floodplain
development
permit
process
to
build
anything
on
the
site.,
so
whether
it's
and
and
I
may
defer
to
the
applicant
here,,
if
they,,
if
they've
already
been
thinking
about
this
to
to
kind
of
address
in
their
presentation.
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Chandler
van
schaack
(he/him/his),
cob:,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
there
would
be
pumps
required
or
not.
in
the
end..
They
just
have
to
demonstrate
that
they're,,
you
know,
not
affecting
the
wetlands,
or
that
they're
mitigating
any
effects
they
have
on
the
wetlands
that
they're
not
increasing
the
flood
elevations
on
or
around
the
site.
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H
Chandler
van
schaack
(he/him/his),
cob:,
you
know,,
I
know
just
at
to
use
the
example
that
you
used
like
restaurant,
or
a
tap
room,
or
something
like
that
is
allowed.
Through
a
user
view,.
It
has
certain
conditional
use
standards
associated
with
it.,
but
yes,
I
mean
in
general,
there's
nothing
in
the
code
that
says
they
can
only
have
one
use
on
this
site.
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F
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:.
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
george's
point,
and
just
for
chandler's
benefit..
I
you
might
want
to
check
in
with
kathleen
king,
who
did
the
modeling
for
the
east
boulder
subcommittee
plan,,
because
I
think
that
they
did
try
to
model
like
how
many
jobs
per
different
land,
use,
or
different
zoning.
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K
K
K
K
K
I'll
move
into
the
presentation,
itself.
chandler
did
a
great
job
of
introducing
the
project
to
you,,
and
some
of
this
will
be
duplicative..
But
what
we
want
to
really
do
is
give
you
a
little
bit
more
flavor
on
the
decisions
that
have
been
made
to
get
to
this
project,
where
we
are
today.
so,
in
terms
of
the
context,.
You
all
saw
this
aerial,
rendering.
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K
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
There's
there
will
not,
or
mapping
shows
that
there
will
not
be
water
in
a
500
0r
100
year
flood
on
the
developable
area
that
we
are
proposing
for
this
building,
like
chandler
mentioned,,
because
we
have
work
in
the
flood
way..
We
will
go
through
a
flood
permit
to
do
that,
work,,
but
the
building
itself.
K
To
a
flood
zone
at
all.
next,,
we
have
the
wetlands
boundary..
We
are
very
well
aware
of
the
importance
of
high
functioning
wetlands
in
the
city
of
boulder,
and
you'll
see,,
as
we
start
to
go
through
our
perspectives,,
how
we're
doing
our
best
to
really
respect
and
preserve
and
hopefully
enhance
that
area,
so
that.
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
Generally,
as
we
go
through
a
concept
or
site,
review
application.,
we
don't
designate
mix
of
uses
in
the
site,
and
you
can
see
here,
because
the
building
is
so
far,
or
because
of
the
wetlands,
and
how
we're
trying
to
respect
that.
It
probably
isn't
an
ideal
location
for
food
and
beverage
or
restaurants,,
or
anything
like
that.
That
was
mentioned.
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K
K
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K
K
This
section
really
wants
to
talk
to
you
about
the
garage,
and
starts
to
show
where
the
height
or
how
it
integrates
with
the
berm..
So
you
can
see
the
low
point
is
approximately
right.
Here,
and
the
high
point
is
here,.
The
parking
just
tucks
right
under
that,,
allowing
the
the
buildings
to
be
on
top
of
or.
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K
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K
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F
Pb
john
gerstle:
they're
on.
pb,,
laura
kaplan:
thank
you..
I
just
had
one
question,
amanda.
you
mentioned
when
you
were
talking
about
the
pond
and
the
wetlands.
there.
You
said
something
about
something
different
than
the
current
overgrown
trees..
Can
you
elaborate
a
little
bit
on
what
you
mean
by
overgrown
trees
and
what
you
might
do
differently
there.
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K
F
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
okay,.
I
was
just
curious,
because
there
are
some
very
large,
mature
trees,
and
I
don't
know
where
they
are
in
their
life
cycle
if
there
need
to
come
out
for
some
reason.,
but
I
think
that
would
be
something
we'd
be
interested
to
hear
about
it's
site.
Review..
If
you
have
something
in
mind
for
those
mature
trees,
that
is
different
than
keeping
them
in
there.
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J
Pb,
ml
robles::
what
is
the
extent
of
the
underground
parking??
Is
it
only
underneath
the
buildings?
is
it?.
I
mean
it.
it's
hard
to
know..
I
don't..
I
don't
have
a
sense
of
500
spaces.
and
what?
oh,
great!.
You
have
a
drawing.
yeah,
it,.
I
can
tell
you.
it's
essentially
under
the
footprint
of
the
buildings
right
here.
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J
J
J
J
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J
J
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K
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M
Yeah,
a
great
question.
mark..
We
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
up,
there,,
just
studying
and
understanding
the
typical
commute
patterns
of
people
that
are
either
driving
in
from
buffy
and
and
broomfield,
and
denver
to
people
that
live
in
boulder
or
commuting
there
via
public
transportation
or
vehicle
or
bike..
M
M
You
know
selfishly
to
what
we're
looking
at
in
the
park
was
exploring
all
options
of
how
we
continue
to
connect..
You
know
arapaho
and
all
the
businesses
alike
along
that
frontage
to
the
park,,
because
there's
so
many
different
amenities
that
are
used
by
the
residents
and
and
the
people
occupying
these
buildings.
s0
0ne
conversation
we've
had
is
just
working
with.
M
M
You
know
people
don't
have
to
go
all
the
way
down
to
the
east
end
of
arapaho
to
connect
under..
We
could,
you
know,.
We
can
have
our
own
bike
path,
that
people
can
stop
short
of
that
and
connect,,
and
it's
not
just
specific
t0
0ur
site,,
but
to
all
people
commuting
from
a
variety
of
areas
in
boulder.
and
then,
along
with
that,.
I
think
this
understanding,
c.
dot.
M
Along,
arapaho,
and
how
you
know
the
the
street
gets
widened,
and
what
transfer.
turn
signals,
and
how
we
can
maybe
carve
out
and
allocate
a
lane
for
for
bike
users
to
be
able
to
commute
along
a
rappaho.
and
and
how
does
that
communicate
with?
What's
already
been
done
by
you
guys
in
the
east
folder
subcommittee
plan
docs.
M
And
just
lean
into
that
a
little
bit
as
much
as
we
can
without
actually
being
in
that
area..
So
we're
we're
sort
of
open
to
all
things
at
this
point,
and
would
love
to
work
with
you
guys
on
on
how
we
can
achieve
that
that
mutual
connection
from
just
not
our
site,,
with
everywhere
else
in
the
surrounding
sites.
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K
K
K
D
D
M
M
Designing
these
buildings
from
the
inside
out,
and
we're
all
about
the
user
experience..
We
don't
like
people
walking
around
in
empty
underground
parking
garages
and
not
being
able
to
get
out..
So
I
think
that
arrival
experience.,
you
know
what
we
looked
at
when
we
kind
of
set
the
parking
up
to
sort
of
navigate.
M
The
the
natural
existing
trees
was,
they
provided
a
great
opportunity
for
a
natural
barrier
to
sort
of
secure
the
buildings
right,
and
you
navigate
around
this
really
cool
pond.
That's
going
to
be
activated,
and
we
hopefully,,
we
can,,
you
know,,
have
the
ability
to
go.,
add
to
the
landscaping
there,
and,
as
you
arrive
into
the
building.,
it's
all
a
part
of.
M
M
M
For
each
building
that
would
take
you
directly
into
a
lobby
where
you're.
you
know
where
you're
at.,
you're,
familiar,
and
you're
greeted
by,
you
know.,
concierge
or
security,
or
you're
in
a
lobby,,
and
you
kind
of
you
found
the
place
that
you're
arriving
to.,
and
so
I
think
that's
something.
That's
really
important
to
us.
and
I
know
amanda,
I
said.
we're
only
at
concept,
but
we..
We
have
these
types
of.
F
F
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
if
you
have
a
chance
to
go
visit
the
site,
pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
when
you
walk
up
to,
and-
and
I
was
probably
trespassing.
so
I
apologize.,
but
if
you
get
onto
the
site,
and
you
and
you
walk
up
to
that
area
of
fill.,
you
can
kind
of
look
to
your
left..
Look
to
your
right,
look
around
you,
and
see.
F
The
elevation
of
the
land
around
you,
and
it's
honestly,
it's
not
that
tall.,
it's
just
a
few
feet,
tall.,
it's
not
like
10
0r
15
for
you
to
fill,,
if
that's
helpful
to
you
at
all.,
but
I
think
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
when
you
know
when
the
applicant
goes
through
their
hydraulic
analysis
and
working
with
the
floodplain
regulations..
I
think
that's
gonna
really
inform
at
least
my
perspective
on.
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A
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A
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Yeah,,
I
think,
just
specifically
to
the
residential,
you
know,
doing
our
due
diligence
on
the
site
with
the
previous
owner
and
understanding,
you
know,
when
they
did
the
original
floodplain
analysis
and
getting,,
you
know,
the
biggest
pad
area
they
could
out
of
the
floodplain.
That
could
be
developable.
M
M
M
M
Buzz
around
boulder
county.
and
so
and
then,
you
know,.
We
have
a
lot
of
talent
and
boulder
that
that
went
to
the
university
there
that
are
getting
bachelor's
degrees
and
and
and
engineering
degrees
that
want
to
stick
around.
and
there's
a
really
good
talent
pool
to
draw
from
that.
They
want
to..
They
want
to
continue
to
work
and
live.
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You
know
I
har
asked
ball
about
pb,
lisa,
smith:
sheets
of
glass
and
birds,,
so
I'll
mention
that,
too.
yes,.
So
I
think
the
devil
is
in
the
details,
you
know..
A
lot
of
the
use
here
is
is
by
right..
I
certainly
have
nothing
against
file
science..
I
was
a
biology
major
for
a
while
there
myself,-
and
I
appreciate
that
those
are
good
jobs,
but
they're-
also
pretty
high
paying
jobs.
N
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
and
even
for
those
folks,,
where
are
they
going
to
live,
you
know,,
and
it
would
have
been
nice
to
hear
about
tbm
as
well..
So
I
I
I
guess.
I
just
hope
that
when
it
comes
back
that
perhaps
some
of
those
things
are
addressed
to
the
extent
they
can
be,-
and
I
appreciate
that
code
probably
will
not
be
changed
by
the
time.
This
comes
back;,
but
I
think
there
are
some
ways
to.
N
F
F
F
F
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:.
I
do
think
it's
preliminary
preliminarily
consistent
with
the
bbc.,
the
land
use,
the
underlying
land
use
and
the
zoning,
you
know,.
When
we
did
the
east
boulder
subcommittee
plan.
There
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
jobs
versus
housing
and
leaving
some
areas
to
be
industrial,
to
remain
industrial.
F
F
F
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
into
the
property
and
try
to
figure
out
where
that
restaurant
or
cafe.
is
it
just?
you
know..
My
experience
with
the
peloton
is
that
when
you
take
away
the
street
frontage
and
people
can't
see
it
from
the
street,,
those
businesses
have
a
really
hard
time
hanging
on..
So
if
the
applicant
wanted
to
do
some
mixed
use
here,,
I
certainly
wouldn't
be
opposed
to
it.
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Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city,
attorney:,
well,,
in?,
well,
you're
in
the
concept
plan
review,,
so
you
can
definitely
be
encouraging.
once
you're
in
site.
Review,
it'll
come
down.
whether
or
not
the
project
meets
the
site,
review
criteria,
and
one
of
those
criteria.
Is,
you
know,
is
meeting
on
balance
the.
L
Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city
attorney:,
if,
if
those
things
that
you
described,,
if
they're
described
in,
for
example,
that
section,,
then
I
think
that
is
something
that
can
be
considered
in
the
unbalanced
finding
under
the
board
of
any
compromise,,
because
that
is
the
criteria,
and
it's
currently
in
the
code,.
And
that
will
be
one.
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M
M
The
fill
wasn't
done,
you
know,
to
the
all
the
way
to
the
extent
of
the
the
property
line.
it
was,.
You
know
it.
and,
laura,,
you
said
you
went
out
there.
you
probably
observed
that,,
you
know,
with
a
natural
property,
line,,
looked
like
it
appeared,
and
then
how
the
grade
was
probably
sloped
up
from
there..
That's.
D
A
F
F
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
and
thoughtfully
designed
parking
and
outdoor
areas..
You
know,,
I
think
staff
will
will
work
with
the
applicant
on
that
before
it
comes
back
for
site
review.
As
far
as
the
underground
parking
goes.
as
I
said,,
I
am
going
to
be
really
interested
to
see
the
floodplain
analysis
and
those
requirements,,
and
I
trust
that
staff,
and
the
applicant.
F
F
F
F
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
that
a
minimum
separation
of
250
feet
is
required
between
site
accesses
along
an
arterial
roadway
like
arapaho,,
and
that
this
concept
would
not
meet
that.
So
again,
I
just,.
I
rely
on
staff
to
negotiate
that
and
bring
us
back,.
You
know..
Have
the
applicant
bring
us
back
a
project
at
site.
review.
F
F
To
emergency
access
only.,
so
I
I
think
staff
have
laid
out
pretty
well
what
they're
expecting,
and
I
don't
feel
as
planning
board
as
a
planning
board.
Member
that
I
have
anything
to
say
that
would
contradict
that..
So
just
just
flagging
that
that
I
I'm
looking
forward
to
seeing
how
that
gets
worked
out
between
staff
and
the
applicant..
But
before
it
comes
back
for
site,
review.,.
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J
Pb,
ml
robles:
to
park.
pb,
ml
robles:
that
all
being
said,,
I
think
the
sustainability
issue
of
the
site
is
still
imperative..
We
can't
be
saying
those
60
surface
spaces
are
about
previous
ground
when
they're,
not
about
previous
ground.
There,
a
drainage
system
is
going
to
happen,
and
that
giant
rectangle
is
going
to
drain
its
water
somewhere
on
this
property
to
make
sure
it
meets
our
storm.
Water.
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I
Pb,
jorge
boone:,
as
far
as
I'm
concerned.
and
then
the
pb,
jorge
boone:.
The
other
thing
that
I
think
is
interesting,,
which
is
again,,
not
not
the
applicant
necessarily
trying
to
be
deceptive,,
but
something
that
that
ml.
set
out..
Is
this
idea
of
this
massive
rectangular
podium?
That's
sitting
underneath
the
ground.
I
I
I
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N
N
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
you
know,
when
I
was
talking
about
maybe
some
kind
of
a
cafe
or
something..
I
was
thinking
about
that
for
the
people
working
here.,
it's
a
very
large
site,.
You
know..
I
I
think.
If
I
worked
there
and
I
had
somewhere,,
I
could
walk
by
and
get
a
drink
in
the
morning..
I
probably
would,
you
know,
and-
and
I
do
think
that
makes
it
more
of
a
place.
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J
J
Pb,
ml
robles:
how
a
city,
pb,
ml
robles:
that,
wherever
whichever
neighborhood
or
area
we're
in.,
we
can
feel
like.
We
can
walk
to
things
once
we're
there.
That
there's
that
there
there,
and
it's
not
just
a
piece
along
a
an
arterial
that
you
go
into
and
leave
and
don't
have
any
connection
or
interaction..
J
J
J
J
N
N
N
N
N
Pb,
lisa
smith:
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
that
staff,
update
on
on
what's
happening
to
what
I
think
of
it.
As
as
the
older,
more
traditional,
I
industrial,,
which
I
wouldn't
necessarily
wait,
is
better
or
worse.,
but
I
think
we
want
to
think
about
the
balance
of
of
what
is
still
in
the
city,
and
what
is
coming
into
the
city.
N
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F
F
F
F
Pb,,
laura
kaplan::
we
want
the
applicants
to
be
aspirational..
We
want
them
to
have
the
same
vision.,
it's
very
hard
to
codify
everything
in
a
legislative
update,,
as
we
just
did
with
the
use
tables
update
and
foresee
that
it's
going
to
give
us
projects
like
this,,
where,
when
we
see
the
rubber
hit
the
road,
we
see
the
project
on
the
ground.
F
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:.
We
have
some
hesitations
about
the
thing
that
we
just
did
the
thing
that
we
just
updated,,
which
is
the
definition
of
what's
allowable.
In
a
light
industrial
parcel
like
this,
that
we
just
maintained
as
light
industrial
in
the
east
folder
subcommunity
plan.,
it's
not
like
we
haven't,
had
a
crack
at
this
apple.
Quite
quite
recently,,
right?.
F
F
F
F
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
on
an
aspirational,
visionary
level,.
This
project
could
be
better
right.,
and
so
I'm
I.
I
do
fall
back
on
the
trust
that
I
have
seen
in
our
site,
review
process
and
in
the
comments
that
were
made
when
we
talked
about
updating
the
site
review
criteria
that
we
don't
tend
to
deny
projects
on
these
aspirational
bases..
So
I
do
think.
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Because
what
we're
getting
is
pb,
jorge
boone:,
just
a
pb,,
jorge
boone:
whole
ton
of
high
paying
jobs
in
commuting,
int0,
0ur,
town
and
and
negating
subcommittee
plans
like
what
we
did
in
east
boulder
subcommittee
plan,,
because
we
we
we've.
We've
allowed
this
to
happen
through
our
zoning,
and
we
should
take
a
look
at
the
use
table
and
say.
I
Pb,,
jorge
boone:
does
the
definition
of
r&d..
Is
this
really
the
definition
of
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
in
and
light
industrial.?
We
should
take
a
look
at
the
policies
around
the
linkage
fees,
because
we
know
that
there's
a
high
degree
of
profit
in
this
development,,
even
where
our
linkage
fees,
are.
I
I
F
F
F
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
and
many
of
us
who
were
on
the
working
group.-
many
of
us
on
this
board
argued
for
more
housing.
and
some
of
us
argued
for..
Let's
be
really
really
careful
about
preserving
industrial
space,,
including
general,
industrial
and
light
industrial,,
and
that
question
was
considered
very
carefully.
and
and
maybe,
george,
you're,
pointing
out
that
people
didn't
really
understand.
F
F
I
I
Pb,
jorge
boone:,
because
it's
also
I
don't.-
I
don't
know
if
it
was
ever
frame
to
the
community
what
the
jobs
potential
of
all
these
sites
could
be,
because
of
the
way
things
are
zoned
because
we're
not
going
to
get.
we're,
not
getting..
I
mean,.
This
is
exactly
a
thing:
right.
we're
not
getting
the.
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F
Offices,
included,,
research
and
development
uses
are
included.,
kathleen
king
helped
us
model..
How
many
I-
and
you
even
commented
on
this,
like
how
many
jobs
were
expected
for
the
10.?
You
pushed
her
to
do
this,
and
I
appreciated
that.
how
many
jobs
were
expected
for
the
different
categories.
so
again,?
Maybe
we
didn't
quite
get
it
right,
and
this
project
might
be.
F
I
Pb,,
jorge
boone:
people
really
comprehend
pb,
jorge
boone:,
the
the
the
the
depth
of
that,
that
what
we're,,
what
we've
done,
and
what
we're
doing
is
essentially
through
through
through
the
zoning
that
exists,
and,.
Like
I
said,,
I
was
the
first
one
to
to
volunteer..
Essentially,
this
is
all
by
right.
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
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N
N
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
you
know,,
bios
science,
or
you
know,,
very
nice
labs,
which
I'm
sure
lovely
to
work
in
them,
would
be
very
fun
to
work
in
it's
it's
not
that
it's
just
wait.,
you
know..
What?
What
did
we
create
with
that
code??
What
is
now
coming
before
us??
What
do
we
actually
want?
and
where
do
we
want
it,,
you
know?
and-
and
I
don't
think
that.
N
N
F
Pb
john
gerstle:,
all
right.
pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
sorry,
I
I
think.
last
thing.
I
think
this
is
the
last
thing
I
think
I
heard
that
this
this
project
came
in
for
concept
review
under
the
previous
definition
of
technical
office.,
so
I'm
not
sure
that
what
we
did
in
terms
of
changing
the
definition
of
office.
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Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city
attorney:,
has
started
to
work
with
me
on
planning
and
development.
Legal
issues.
she's
been
with
our
office
for
a
little
bit
over
a
year,,
so
we
will
see
her
in
some
upcoming
meetings,
and
I
just
wanted
you
to
be
aware
of
that.
she's
wonderful..
I
think
you'll,
like
her..
She
worked
for
the
colorado
municipal
league
for
a
while,
and
in
their
attorney
section,
and
has
advised
the
bla
for
the
last
year.
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F
So
that,
if
folks
are
interested
pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
that
process
is
moving
forward..
There
is
a
website.
now
up.
If
you,
google,
boulder,
municipal
airport,
community
conversation,,
there's
like
an
faq.,
there's
information
about
what
that
process
is,
and
there
is
an
application..
So
if
you
know
folks
who
might
be
interested
in
serving
on
the
working
group.
F
F
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
as
you
all
know,,
as
I
expressed
at
the
last
meeting,
I
had
some
concerns
about
the
process
design,
and
how
that
was
being
structured..
I
have
conveyed
those
concerns
to
staff,
and
I
am
very
encouraged
by
the
responsiveness
of
staff..
I
have
spoken
with
with
several
folks
about
it,
and
I'm
seeing
some
changes
in
the
languaging
that
they're
using.
F
F
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
more
responsive
to
bbcp.,
6.2,
3,
I'm.,
looking
forward
to
good
things
from
that.
and
again
I
would
encourage
everybody
to,
if
you
know
folks
who
might
be
good
for
that
community.
Conversation,
working
group..
Let
them
know
that
the
application
period
is
open,
and
it
closes
february,
20,
eighth..
In
addition
to
the
working
group.-.
F
There
will
also
be
a
couple
of
open
houses
and
be
heard
boulder
surveys
in
various
ways
for
people
to
participate
if
they
don't
want
to
be.
On
the
working
group.-
the
working
group
itself
is
a
fairly
small
commitment..
It's
5
meetings
on
weekdays,,
2,
h,
long
meetings
between
now
and
the
end
of
the
year.