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A
Boulder
Planning
Board
meeting
of
July
19
2018.
The
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
approval
of
minutes
of
the
May
31st
2018
meeting
and
the
June
7th
2018
minute
meeting.
So
I
was
not
here
for
the
May
31st
2018
meeting,
so
I
will
have
to
abstain
from
the
voting.
But
would
anybody
like
to
make
a
motion
I'll.
A
So
we
have
a
motion
by
Bryan
seconded
by
David
to
approve
the
May
31st
2018
and
June
728
minute,
says:
I'm
modified
by
comments
from
the
Planning
Board,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye,
except
for
the
May
31st
meeting.
Okay
that
passes
unanimously.
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
public
participation
for
items
that
are
not
on
the
agenda
and
we
have
thank
you.
A
D
Wright
1440
high
street,
my
subject
is
South
boorda
Creek
flood
mitigation,
which
is
not
on
the
agenda,
and
my
plea
is
that
at
your
next
meeting
you
please
have
a
public
hearing
on
that
item,
because
I
think
you
are
scheduled
to
just
have
a
presentation
by
staff
as
sort
of
an
update,
and
you
remember.
Last
year
you
were
integrally
involved:
the
open
space
board,
the
watery
service
advisory
board
and
the
Planning
Board
all
we're
looking
at
the
South
Florida
Creek,
and
you
had
a
public
hearing
and
I.
Remember
testifying
to
that.
D
In
addition
to
that,
I
think
it's
the
largest
public
project
that
you
have
in
the
city
this
time
it's
about
a
30
million
dollar
project
and
you're,
a
Planning
Board,
and
you
have
a
planning
staff
and
I
would
love
to
have
them,
and
you
review
what's
going
on
right
now,
with
all
the
options
and
third
I'm
doing
it
for
US
citizens,
because
at
the
lab,
for
example,
it
was
not
on
me.
It
was
not
in
the
packet
but
the
city
staff
and
the
consultant
came
up
with
a
whole
new
potential
which
they
said
was
Gordon.
D
Mccurry's
potential
is
potential,
which
was
using
the
floodplain
of
South
Porter
Creek,
which
is
now
designated
as
open
space
other
on
the
comp
plan.
As
you
will
recall,
it's
the
500-year
floodplain
on
South
Boulder
Creek
and
they
interpreted
in
a
totally
bizarre
way
and
as
a
huge
component
with
walls
from
the
inside
50
feet,
high
and
25
feet
on
the
outside,
where
Gordon
was
just
doing
some
berms
as
a
supplement
to
the
other
various
things
that
are
going
on.
D
Think
you've
just
received
that
I
managed
to
take
a
picture
with
my
iPhone
and
then
took
it
home
and
typed
it
up
so
at
the
bottom
is
what
an
important
one,
the
RAB
motion
and
regarding
the
master
plan.
They
recommend
that
no
additional
monies
be
used
for
studying
that
plan.
It's
the
according
to
the
staff
in
Consultants
numbers.
D
It's
the
worst
plan,
it's
the
most
expensive
and
the
least
effective,
so
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
that
I
think
it
should
be
off
the
board
and
no
more
money
should
be
spent
on
that
and
then
the
Rabb
motion
supported,
fortunately,
for
me,
a
500-year
and
for
the
and
for
the
project
of
500
year
flood
decision.
So
you
can
see
at
the
first
part.
D
They
say
all
of
reasons
why
they
wouldn't
do
it,
and
then
they
gave
a
very,
very
good
reason
saying,
and
yet
it
is
possible
justifiable
and
appropriate
to
mitigate
to
the
500
year,
flood
level
for
the
West
Valley
because
of
economic
efficiencies,
and
then
they
added
that
they
didn't.
They
wanted
the
transportation
quarters
to
remain
open
to
highway.
36.
Remember
was
closed
in
2015
thanks
a
lot
thanks.
F
Ruth
Peter
Vitali
hi,
yes,
I,
like
the
idea
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
understand
it,
and
then
we
check
with
Cindy.
So
your
there's
a
time
council
will
be
talking
about
this
and
you're,
asking
that
the
meeting
the
Planning
Board
meeting
directly
preceding
that
that
we
have
a
public
hearing
on
that
to
get
an
update.
Thank
you
doing.
Is
it
clear
when
that
City
Council
hearing
is
and
will
that
work
with
our
schedule?
I
am.
H
I
E
J
J
K
L
A
L
Okay,
so
I'm
also
going
to
talk
about
South,
Water,
Creek,
flood
mitigation
and
I
believe
this
board
should
weigh
in
on
the
decision
as
to
how
the
city
should
perceive
perceived
in
mitigation,
mitigating
the
floods
and
not
just
have
it
presented
to
you
as
an
information
item.
This
project
has
been
going
on
since
1996,
when
I
personally
brought
the
problems
of
the
South
Broad
Creek
floodplain
to
the
attention
of
FEMA
and
the
Colorado
joint
Budget
Committee,
which
required
a
new
floodplain
studies
to
be
performed.
L
The
11
associates
study
would
show
that
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
homes
were
in
the
hundred-year
flood
plain
in
2015.
The
water
resources,
Advisory
Board
recommended
option
D,
which
is
now
called
the
master
plan
concept,
and
it
was
approved
by
the
Planning
Board
and
by
the
City
Council,
and
everybody
was
pushing
for
it,
except
for
people
like
me,
which
pointed
out
some
very
obvious
problems
with
it.
That
solution
had
really
channel
running
right
into
the
dam
and
backing
up
on
Tantra.
L
L
Where
are
they
going
to
go
back
up
water
and
not
allow
it
to
go
under
South,
Boulder
Creek
and
they
have
to
constrain
the
underpass
and
on
the
next
page,
I
have
when
you
continue
to
press,
you
increase
the
likelihood
of
blockage.
That's
a
picture
of
the
1997
Spring
Creek
flood
College,
Avenue
underpass
and
on
the
next
page
is
I.
Took
this
picture
just
two
weeks
ago
of
all
the
cottonwoods
upstream.
L
So
somebody
is
gonna
have
to
make
some
decision
based
on
good
judgment
and
common
sense
as
to
whether
or
not
it
makes
sense
to
constrain
that
underpass
at
the
last
hearing
the
consultant
said
well.
If
we
have
a
diagonal
across
measured
across
the
underpass
of
17
feet,
it's
a
very
low
likelihood
of
any
kind
of
blockage
well
between
the
uprights
they've
got
50
feet.
So
if
you
make
the
underpass
only
six
inches
high
that
satisfies
that
criteria,
so
that
criteria
doesn't
doesn't
work
on
the
next
page.
I
show
the
problem.
L
Another
problem
with
their
solution
is
that
it
puts
all
of
the
detention
on
open
space
land
and
on
natural
state,
natural
lands
area
and
I.
Don't
think
they
should
be
doing
that
and
on
the
last
page
we
show
what
Ruth
talked
about,
which
was
a
straw
man
put
forth
by
the
consultant,
taking
an
idea
for
some
upstream
detention
using
a
series
of
very
small
firms,
and
they
put
this
huge
dam
in
that's
50
feet
high,
which
bears
no
relationship.
L
M
L
E
E
You
can
certainly
do
that,
but
you've
got
two
weeks
from
today
until
the
next
meeting
on
the
second
to
advertize,
I
think
you'd
be
surprised
about
the
input
you
get
from
citizens,
many
of
whom
don't
even
know
what's
happening
here
and
how
life-threatening
it
is.
I
would
remind
everybody
here
that
the
first
duty
of
the
city
is
to
protect
its
citizens,
and
this
is
absolutely
crucial.
It
is
the
biggest
project
you're
going
to
see
the
whole
time
you're
on
this
board.
A
A
So,
with
anyone
interested
in
calling
this
up
or
having
any
discussion
about
it,
no
okay,
great,
then
we
move
on
to
our
public
hearing
items
and
we
only
have
one
and
that
is
the
public
hearing
and
consideration
of
a
recommendation
to
City
Council
on
the
proposed
2019
to
2024
capital
improvement
program.
So
I
will
turn
it
over
to
staff
Chris
to
take
us.
Take
it
away
great.
N
Thank
you
for
having
us
I'll
start
by
introducing
myself.
My
name
is
Chris
Rose
I'm,
a
planner
in
the
comprehensive
planning
division
of
the
city
and
sitting
next
to
me
tonight
is
Katie
darling,
she's,
the
city's
executive
budget
officer
before
we
get
too
deep
into
the
presentation.
I
just
wanna
give
a
huge
shout
out
to
the
city
staff,
that's
sitting
in
the
audience
tonight.
N
A
lot
of
hard
work
and
dedication,
coordination
and
collaboration
goes
into
getting
the
CIP
to
where
it
is
at
this
point,
and
it
would
not
be
possible
without
the
folks
that
are
in
the
room.
I'll
also
mention
that
a
lot
of
them
have
graciously
offered
their
time
tonight
to
be
here
and
answer
any
of
the
questions
that
you
guys
might
have
for
projects
that
relate
to
their
departments
specifically
and
a
huge
thank
you
to
all
of
you
for
making
the
effort
to
attend
the
CIP
or
Monday
night.
N
We
thought
it
was
a
lot
of
fun
we
enjoy
putting
this
together
every
year.
It's
a
really
great
opportunity
for
us
to
get
out
in
the
community
and
highlight
some
of
these
really
great
capital
projects
that
come
through
and
since
Harmons,
not
here
tonight.
I'm
just
gonna
pick
on
him
a
little
bit
in
pointing
when
I'm
out
in
the
picture.
Here
he
looks
very
photogenic
and
do
you
think
the
hot
well.
N
Dysfunction
of
the
planning
department
to
submit
annually
to
the
city
manager
lists
of
the
recommended
capital
improvements
to
be
undertaken
during
the
forthcoming
six
year
period.
Each
list
of
those
capital
improvements
shall
be
accompanied
by
a
six-year
capital
budget
I'm
indicating
the
estimated
costs
and
methods
of
financing
all
of
those
improvements.
N
So,
as
always,
the
CIP
is
guided
by
the
community
sustainability
framework
and
the
Boulder
Valley
comprehensive
plan,
the
community
sustainability
framework
being
the
vision
of
what
our
community
is.
The
CIP
is
one
way
and
how
that
becomes
a
physical
reality.
So
you
may
have
noticed
in
your
packet
and
in
the
CIP
this
year
that
we've
made
some
changes
specifically
to
better
integrate
resilience
in
sustainability
efforts
into
the
capital
improvement
program.
N
So
this
graphic
is,
is
essentially
depicting
the
the
timeline
that
we
go
through
in
order
to
get
where
we
are
today,
it's
an
extensive
process
and
it
really
kicks
off.
At
the
beginning
of
the
year,
when
departments
we
can
identifying
their
upcoming
projects,
the
coordination
team
is
already
hard
at
work.
Gathering
and
sharing
information.
Coordinating.
The
upcoming
review
of
the
CIP
by
April
departments
are
submitting
their
projects
for
internal
peer
review
for
the
internal
peer
review,
which
occurs
about
a
month-long
period.
N
So
this
is
essentially
a
more
high-level
general
process
that
we
go
through
with
the
CIP
every
year.
The
first
phase
that
you
see
really
is
identifies
and
prioritizes
the
needs
of
the
community.
This
is
done,
as
I
said,
by
applying
the
sustainability
framework
to
ensure
the
CIP
aligns
within
advanced
as
the
wide
range
of
goals
and
priorities
that
City
Council
sets
forth
along
with
our
community.
The
second
phase,
the
project
review
phase,
engages
each
department
by
them,
proposing
the
capital
projects
and
a
citywide
review
process.
N
The
PRT
peer
review
team
that
I
had
mentioned,
and
then
that
goes
to
our
executive
budget
team
and
they
make
recommendations
back
to
those
departments.
We
compile
the
CIP
and
then
it
comes
to
you,
which
is
really
the
third
phase,
which
is
the
Advisory
Board
Planning
Board
in
City
Council
review
of
the
CIP.
N
This
image
here,
essentially
what
it
is,
is
it's
showing
the
general
steps
that
we
take
in
our
planning
process,
along
with
the
general
expectations
of
Community
Engagement
in
the
level
of
detail
and
construction
plans.
Most
master
plans,
as
you
guys
know,
deploy
a
robust
community
engagement
process
that
ultimately
results
in
capital
improvement
projects.
N
We're
really
showing
you
this
chart
to
highlight
the
importance
of
providing
the
six
year
CIP,
because
phase
two
is
when
you're
recommending
the
current
year's
budget,
but
really
in
fact,
the
highest
level
of
community
engagement
is
before
the
budget
adoption,
which
is
the
out-years
of
the
CIP,
so
I'll
hand
it
over
to
Katie
Dolan
she's
gonna
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
financials
behind
the
2019
to
2024
CIP
this
year.
Thanks.
O
Chris,
as
mentioned
I'm
Katie,
Doyle
I
am
the
executive
budget
officer,
and
this
is
my
second
European
planning
board,
so
I'm
happy
to
be
here
so
we're
doing
the
2019
to
2024
CIP,
but
you'll
see
on
this
chart
that
we're
showing
the
2018
to
2023
CIP.
This
is
important
because
last
year
we
anticipated
a
really
large
spike
in
our
capital
improvement
programs.
As
a
reminder,
capital
improvement
funding
is
a
lot
different
than
your
operational
funding
because
it
varies
significantly
year
over
year,
depending
on
timing
of
projects
or
availability
of
funding.
O
So
we
anticipated
last
year
to
be
a
high
project
year
and
going
into
2019
a
much
more
kind
of
typical
year
as
it
relates
to
the
funding.
So
now
this
is
the
2019
chart
where
you
do
see
that
you
know
the
majority
of
our
projects
really
are
kind
of
our
core
projects
of
maintaining
existing
assets
and
again
we're
gonna,
be
anticipating
spikes
in
year,
2020
and
2022,
largely
due
to
utility
and
Public
Works.
They
make
up
the
majority
of
our
capital
improvement
program.
O
So
this
time
last
year
we
had
mentioned
that
there
was
a
proposal
to
develop
a
robust
general
fund
capital
improvement
program.
Most
of
the
capital
improvement
prior
to
this
year
has
been
within
funds
that
are
dedicated
revenues
and
the
general
fund
is
the
least
restrictive
that
also
funds
a
lot
of
different
core
services.
So
we
put
forward
in
2018
a
proposal
to
Council
to
create
a
sustainable
and
ongoing
funding
source
for
general
fund
departments
that
don't
necessarily
have
their
own
dedicated
revenue
stream,
as
well
as
providing
funding
to
fund
their
community
priorities.
O
So
in
2018
that
those
priorities
included
the
purchase
of
Hogan
pan
cost,
also
maintaining
our
public
safety
assets,
including
the
public
safety
rescue
vehicle,
increasing
some
funding
to
the
boulder
res
for
South
Shore
enhancements,
which
you
saw
on
the
tour
and
then
also
doing
kind
of
an
internal
less
appealing
to
the
public,
but
critically
needed
data
set
our
redundancy
within
our
information
and
Technology
department
in
2019.
We're
going
to
be
continuing
those
commitments,
we
do
have
a
loan
for
the
Hogan
pan
cost
purchase.
O
N
So
every
year
we
have
an
internal
seep
review
group
that
meets
to
review
all
the
capital
projects
coming
forth
and
make
a
recommendation
on
which
of
those
should
require
formal
seep.
This
review
group
uses
a
set
criteria:
sorry
of
projects
from
the
city
plans
in
project
handbook
to
help
make
those
determinations
and
so
for
this
year.
N
Just
about
done,
if
you
want
to
come
back
to
an
action,
so
next
steps
real
quick
in
about
a
month
from
now
we'll
be
going
to
City
Council
present
the
proposed
capital
budget
to
them
for
2019
to
2024
in
September.
We'll
have
our
City
Council
study
session,
which
is
mainly
focused
on
the
operating
budget.
October
will
have
our
budget
hearings
both
operating
and
CIP,
and
then
will
hopefully
adopt
the
2019
budget,
which
is
going
to
include
the
CIP.
N
So
our
staff
recommendation
recommend
the
City
Council
approval
of
the
2019
in
total
2024
proposed
capital
improvement
program,
including
a
list
of
CIP
projects
to
undergo
community
environmental
assessment
process,
as
as
outlined
in
the
staff
memorandum
questions
for
the
Planning
Board.
Does
the
plan
board
have
any
questions
about
the
proposed
2019
to
2024
CIP,
as
it
relates
to
the
long
term
big-picture
policies
of
in
the
Bolton
Valley
Comprehensive
Plan
the
scope,
priorities
and
scheduling
of
the
proposed
CIP
projects,
the
proposed
location
of
those
projects
and
any
projects
recommended
to
undergo
a
seep
process?
A
F
A
So
folks,
do
we
want
to
go
through
this?
The
way
staff
is
outlined,
it
I
guess
we
have
a
question
Q&A
portion
and
then
we
have
a
public
participation
portion,
because
this
is
a
regular
public
meeting
and
then
we
would
have
our
comments
after
so
I
don't
know
if
there
is
public
here
who
has
signed
up
to
speaker.
No
well,
let's
go
ahead
and
ask
our
questions,
but
do
the
deliberation
on
this
after
we
hear
from
the
public
if
anybody
shows
up
and
wants
to
that
sound
all
right,
good,
go
okay,
so
John,
okay,.
J
Thank
you
so
first
I'd
just
like
to
say,
I
think
this
was
a
great
way
of
presenting
the
the.
What
typically
is
pretty
painful
to
go
through.
So
congratulations
on
on
that,
because
I
think
it
was
much
nicer.
This
year,
I
I
just
had
a
couple
questions.
One
was
on
the
community
forestry
portion,
which
is
under
Parks
and
Rec.
J
I
guess
and
I
saw
that
there's
a
I
think
500,000
bucks
a
year
allocated
to
to
their
activities
over
the
next
four
or
five
years,
and
it
was
a
bit
unclear
to
me
whether
that
was
done
subsequent
to
the
identification
of
the
elm
beetle
or
is
it
the
ash
beetle
display
yeah
work,
and
so
I
was
a
little
bit
unclear
about
whether
that
is
intended
to
cover
the
expenses
associated
with
all
those
activities
or
whether
we
should
be
thinking
about
something
additional
as
a
consequence
of
them.
I'm.
P
Hi,
that's
a
great
question:
I'm
jeff
haley
planning
manager
for
the
Parks
and
Rec
Department
I,
actually
oversee
the
Forestry
Division
as
well.
You're,
correct
we've
outlined
funding
each
year
for
the
urban
forestry
management,
specifically
to
address
the
EAB
or
the
emerald
ash
borer
epidemic
that
we're
facing
in
Boulder
2013.
We
discovered
the
emerald
ash
borer.
We
call
it
EAB
not
to
be
confused
with
environmental
advisory
board
here
in
Boulder,
but
it
gets
confusing,
and
this
funding
each
year
is
to
address
that.
P
So
with
that
half
a
million
dollars
on
average,
we
managed
a
variety
of
contracts
to
remove
dead
trees.
We
have
about
650,000,
trees
and
Boulder
about
50,000
of
those
are
public
trees.
The
rest
are
private,
which
means
they're
on
private
property
and
about
12%
of
that
of
the
$50,000
that
we
estimated
I
so
back
to
how
that
money
spent.
We
remove
trees,
we
plant
new
trees
to
replace
them.
P
We
do
a
lot
of
treatment
where
we
inject
chemicals
to
kill
the
at,
are
the
ash,
borer
the
pests
and
then
a
lot
of
it
not
only
removing
trees
but
dealing
with
the
infrastructure
associated
with
that.
Sometimes
we
need
to
replace
the
irrigation;
sometimes
the
trees
are
in
median
or
rights-of-way,
where
we
have
to
kind
of
redesign
the
street,
for
example,
to
accept
the
new
trees.
P
J
P
One
thing
I
will
answer
your
question
with
is
right
now
we're
seeing
kind
of
a
ramp
up
of
how
much
the
ash
borer
has
spread
throughout
the
city.
In
fact,
when
you
drive
home
this
evening,
you
might
see
ash
look
at
some
of
the
dead
trees
along
our
roadways
and
that
sort
of
thing
I
think
we
may
need
more
funding
in
the
future,
as
it
really
starts
to
hit
that
intense
die
out.
So
we
want
to
remove
those
trees
before
they
become
safety
hazards.
P
J
J
N
The
South
build
a
Creek,
it
is
a
project
that
has
really
gone
above
and
beyond
what
a
seat
would
would
require
anyways,
there's
been
14
or
15
different
alternatives,
I've
already
been
looked
at,
and
so
it
really
quite
redundant
to
go
in
and
perform
a
seep
on
that
more
or
less
it
be
checking
the
box
type
of
thing
so
I,
you
know,
in
my
opinion,
it's
it's
already
gone
way
above
and
beyond
what
a
normal
seat
would
produce
I
was
concerned.
He
knows
more
about
the
project
specifically
than
I.
N
M
Had
a
few
questions
so
in
your
in
the
packet
in
the
introduction,
you
talked
about
the
general
fund
capital
program
and
that's
new.
Is
that
correct?
Could
you
speak
a
little
bit
more
about
that
and
did
I?
It
was
like
three
points,
some
million
this
year
and
then
there
be
it
would
grow
and
what's
the
purpose
and
how
do
projects
come
forth
under
that
fund.
O
Thanks,
that's
a
great
question
because,
yes,
it
is
new,
so
in
2018
we
dedicated
it
you're
right
about
three
point:
six:
five
million
dollars
with
the
intention
of
ramping
it
up
to
about
five
percent
of
our
total
operating
cost,
which
is
still
pretty
minimal.
When
you
look
at
other
funds
that
have
capital
programs,
but
it
should
increase,
and
this
year
go
up
to
about
4.1
million
dollars
as
far
as
the
prioritization
of
the
program,
it
follows
a
traditional
CIP
process.
Where
you
know,
departments
have
a
list
of
unfunded
needs.
O
We
evaluate
that
every
year,
categorize
it
and
whether
they
have
an
existing
funding
source
or
not
like
an
open
space
or
Parks
and
Rec
that
received
dedicated
revenues.
And
then
you
know,
look
at
our
existing
commitments.
So
we
already
know
that
we
have
an
existing
commitment
with
Hogan,
P
and
cost.
We
know
that
we
have
that
with
the
fiber
backbone,
they
don't
have
any
other
revenue
source
that
would
be
appropriate
to
pay
for
those
types
of
projects
and
then
kind
of
see
what's
left
over.
O
It
is
minimal
dollars
for
the
first
few
years,
especially
when
you
include
those
commitments,
but
the
real
purpose
of
it
and
coming
into
this
role
is
that
when
you
look
at
departments
that
are
funded
in
the
general
fund
police
fire
IT
again,
they
don't
have
a
dedicated
property
tax
or
sales
tax,
or
you
know
special
rate
that
helped
them
sustain
and
there's
a
lot
of
pressures
on
the
general
fund.
And
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
dollars
left
over.
O
After
just
taking
care
of
general
operations
to
fund
like
the
rescue
vehicles
or
our
IT
infrastructure,
and
those
were
typically
reserved
for
special
ballot
items
like
our
community
culture
safety
tax
and
what
we
heard
out
of
that
committee
is
gosh.
You
should
probably
be
funding
these
types
of
things
that
are
core
to
your
services
and
not
have
to
rely
on
special
taxes
and
that's
what
really
brought
it
forward
last
year
during
the
budget,
disc
discussion
and
the
intention
of
it.
M
M
It
was
used
up
in
by
Evan
fine
parked
by
those
apartments
were
just
to
the
east
of
it,
and
and
also
great
outdoors,
Colorado
and
I
know.
Jeff
is
very
familiar
with
this
fund,
or
these
grants
can
be
used
once
you
determine
if
there's
going
to
be
any
education,
for
you
know
environmental
education
opportunities,
this
you
restore
the
land,
but
can
you
talk
about
any
grants
that
maybe
would
fund
Hogan
pankov.
O
Yeah
I
think
that's
a
great
opportunity
and
something
that
and
my
understanding,
which
is
quite
limited,
at
least
when
it
comes
to
that
that
council
is
unsure
what
to
do
with
that
land
and
will
have
further
conversations
as
we
really
dive
deeper
into
what
the
purpose
is,
whether
it
is
for
our
open
space
or
drainage
right
at
this
time.
It
was
just
important
to
them
to
purchase
the
land
to
have
those
discussions
that
were
driven
by
the
public
mm-hmm.
M
O
M
Okay,
good,
okay!
Thank
you.
Just
a
couple
more
questions
can
I.
Ask
him
now,
under
the
Barker
gravity,
I
think
it
was
the
pipeline
restoration.
I,
probably
don't
have
the
name
quite
right,
but
I
was
wondering
if
the
money
for
that
was
coming
out
of
the
Lakewood
pipeline.
Lawsuit
settlement
was
about
ten
years
ago,
or
so
maybe
even
a
little
bit
longer
was.
Q
Sullivan
principal
engineer
for
utilities:
money
that's
going
to
fund
the
Barker
gravity
is
not
coming
from
the
Lakewood
reserves,
so
we're
going
to
cash
fund
and
accelerate
the
improvements
on
the
bark
of
gravity
line.
It
has
become
one
of
the
highest
priorities
and
the
water
utility.
So
what
you
would
see
in
the
CIP
this
year,
relative
to
last
year,
is
expedited.
Funding
and
Barker
gravity
is
a
12-mile
section
of
line
from
Barker
down
to
kossler
and
because
of
its
degrading
condition
and
age.
It's
104
years
old.
Q
We
are
trying
to
move
ahead
with
a
complete
replacement
in
12
years.
Now
to
your
question,
the
subject
of
spending
the
lakewood
reserves
comes
up
on
an
annual
basis
and
again
you
are
correct.
There
is.
There
is
reserves
in
our
budget
left
over
from
that
lawsuit
and
it
was
decided
again
this
year
to
maintain
those
reserves,
and
that's
done
for
a
couple
of
reasons.
Q
The
long-term
viability
of
that
is
still
in
question,
although
we've
inspected
it
numerous
times,
and
the
second
piece
is
that
the
cash
reserves
we
keep
ensure
that
our
bond
rating
at
the
city
is
top-shelf
and
its
triple-a
with
one
firm
and
it's
a
a
one
with
a
second
and
that
ensures
we
get
the
lowest
possible
rates.
So.
M
Q
So
the
easiest
way
to
think
about
it
is
your
drinking
water
source.
Water
comes
from
three
locations,
one
location
is
middle,
Boulder
Creek
and
that
is
barca
reservoir
in
netherland.
It
comes
down
through
this
pipeline.
The
second.
Third,
if
you
will
is
the
the
North
Boulder
Creek
watershed
you've
heard
the
term
silver
lake,
and
that
comes
down
through
the
Lakewood
system
to
at
a
so
the
drinking
water
facility
and
the
third
one
is
what
would
come
through
Carter
lake.
Q
So
we
get
CBT
water,
Colorado,
big
Thompson
from
the
western
slope,
and
that's
a
transfer
of
water
from
basins
from
the
western
slope
up
to
Carter
Lake,
and
then
it
comes
down
to
Boulder.
So
we
are
in
the
process
of
ensuring
the
viability,
long
term
of
all
three
of
those
thirds
and
the
water
utility,
and
this
particular
project
you're
speaking
of,
is
a
large
pipeline
that
ensures
that
long
term
ability
thank.
M
Thanks
okay,
I
go
very
far
away,
though
I
have
just
a
couple
other
question
yeah.
So
where
would
medium
median
maintenance
fall
under
that's
a
transportation
project
them
I
was
wondering
if
there
was
any
plan.
I
know
the
medians
are
in
have
got
a
big
infestation
of
weeds
and
a
lot
of
the
irrigation
systems
have
problems.
So
I,
don't
know
if
you
had
considered
redoing.
R
The
plan
is
for
that
focus
to
continue
to
be
addressed
through
the
operations
and
maintenance
section
of
transportation
division
and
not
be
a
capital
project,
but
as
the
division
continues
to
take
a
look
at
that,
is
it
it's
entirely
possible
that
it
could
be
recognized
that
a
full-scale
capital
project
might
be
needed?
So,
as
we
continue
to
learn
more
about
what
the
needs
will
be,
we'll
be
able
to
respond
to
the
question
of,
should
it
be
a
pro
capital
project.
M
S
M
A
C
A
couple
of
questions
so
I
guess
first
I,
just
kind
of
a
general
question
we've
been
hearing
about.
You
know
revenue
shortfalls
and
when
I
saw
the
two
graphs
which
I
think
kind
of
put
it
in
perspective,
it
looked
like
we
were
maybe
having
to
work
with.
Maybe
ten
million
less
in
2019
than
we
thought
we
would
last
year.
Is
that
about?
Is
that
about
right?
So
there's.
O
Two
pieces
that
are
going
on
with
those
graphs
between
2018
and
2019.
One
is
just
the
pure
timing
of
projects,
so
we
anticipated
being
ready
to
put
forward
some
of
the
2019
projects
that
now
shifted
to
2020
due
to
availability
of
financing.
It's
not
related
to
the
revenue
shortfall
or
the
flattening
of
our
sales
tax
that
we're
seeing.
But
in
addition,
several
of
our
large
CIP
departments
have
made
small
adjustments
to
their
CIP
or
refocused
adjustments
to
their
CIP.
O
Maybe
spending
the
same
dollars,
but
investing
it
more
again
on
the
maintance
of
their
existing
assets
and
postponing
the
new
types
of
projects.
So
the
10
million
differential
I
couldn't
tell
you
what
portion
is
directly
related,
but
I
think
it's
a
fairly
small
portion,
that's
related
to
the
revenue
kind
of
projections
and
it's
more
related
to
the
timing
and
availability
of
the
construction
process
and.
C
In
general,
you
see
things
then
moving
out
into
2020,
more
or
less,
and
the
trade-offs
are
just
kind
of
based
on
priority
yep.
Exactly
I
was
trying
to
understand
just
a
little
more
on
the
seep
requirement
and
I
could
kind
of
it
seemed
pretty
clear
to
me
as
I
look
through
most
of
them,
why
you
would
want
and
need
to
do
a
seep,
and
you
know
if
you
have
Creek
related
kinds
of
things,
but
I
was
curious.
I
think
we
heard
the
19th
Street
area
on
our
bicycle
tour
that
we
did
with
the
tab.
C
R
Each
year
as
the
capital
improvement
program
is
being
reviewed
by
staff,
there's
a
top-to-bottom
review
of
each
of
the
projects
where
it's
discussed
and
each
each
project
is
considered
as
to
whether
it
should
undergo
a
seep
and
through
the
and
we
affectionately,
call
that
the
seaport
group,
and
so
the
the
seaport
group
identified
that
the
19th
Street
project
should
be
subject
to
a
seep.
For
the
reason
that
there
were
alternatives
or
I
should
say
there
are
alternatives
being
considered
for
the
projects,
including
bicycle
facilities
and
pedestrian
facilities.
R
There
are
various
alternatives
in
ways
that
those
could
be
implemented
in
that
corridor,
but
in
particular
the
the
seep
criteria.
If
you
look
closely
at
it
talks
about
how,
if
there's
strong
public
interests
within
a
particular
project
that
it
should
also,
that
would
be
a
strong
factor
in
considering
whether
projects
should
undergo
a
seep,
and
so
that
was
another
key
consideration.
Knowing
that
there
is
a
lot
of
interests
in
that
area
around
the
school
as
to
what
the
project
would
eventually
look
like.
I
see
great.
C
And
get
it
I
think
the
next
question
I
have
would
also
apply
to
you,
and
that
is
when
I
was
looking
at.
You
know
the
xxx
in
Colorado
corridor
and
related
projects.
The
I
saw
the
five
million
for
the
underpass
project
and
xxx
in
Colorado,
which
is
which
is
great
I
kind
of
expected
that,
because
I
think
that's
coming
to
fruition,
I
didn't
see
the
underpass
out
at
Colorado
and
foothills
in
anywhere
that
you
know
and
looking
through
I
think
I
saw
it
may
be
referenced
somewhere,
but
no
actual
budget
money.
For
that.
C
R
A
N
N
C
F
Ahead,
thank
you
and
thanks
for
the
tour
the
other
day
that
was
really
nice,
I
really
enjoyed
that.
Can
anyone
here
it's
a
small
item
but
something
I'm
curious
about
about
the
incident
command
vehicles,
light
rescue
vehicle
and
Public
Safety
rescue
vehicles.
There's
nice
to
see
this
much
staff
here,
I!
Guess
it's
because
there's
dollars
on
the
line.
No
one.
F
New
via
new
instrument
command
vehicle,
that's
a
million
dollars
and
then
the
Public
Safety
rescue
vehicle
and
the
light
rescue
vehicle
and
then
ongoing
operations
and
maintenance
for
each,
and
these
are
important.
But
this
could
be
a
case
of
you
are
what
you
eat
and
in
this
case,
being
someone
with
young
boys
who
goes
through
as
many
events
as
possible
in
Boulder.
F
Luckily,
these
of
these
vehicles
are
not
used
very
often
and
when
they
are
they're
extremely
important,
it
would
really
be
nice
to
have
an
opportunity
for
the
community
to
see
what
we're
buying,
in
this
case,
and
perhaps
a
nice
opportunity
for
the
the
city
to
explain
what
they
do.
While
we're
not
aware
as
citizens
to
protect
us
and
I'm
sure,
these
vehicles
would
make
great
additions
to
various
city
events
or
you
know,
fairs
and
whatnot.
So
it's
exciting
that
we're
buying
this.
F
This
phenomenal
equipment
and
I
have
no
doubt
that
we're
negotiating
the
best
possible
prices,
but
it'd
be
nice
to
see
them
and
then
a
follow-on
question.
Some
cities
have
secured
federal
homeland
security
grants
for
these
and
I'm
wondering
if
we're
getting
those
particularly
now
with
our
you
know,
protector
in
chief
in
office
in
DC,
and
really
making
sure
that
we're
so
safe
that
there's
some
way
we
can
get
some
money
for
that.
O
What
happens
when
that
goes
on
with
regards
to
the
availability
of
federal
funds?
There's
a
few
things
that
are
challenging
for
us.
We
compared
to
smaller
communities
where
these
are
really
challenging
to
obtain
due
to
their
funding
sources.
You
typically
rank
lower
when
you're
competing
against
those
types
of
communities,
I
think
also,
depending
on
the
type
of
grant,
were
challenged
with
some
of
the
policies
that
we've
made
locally
to
obtain
and
commit
to
the
requirements
of
federal
grants.
So
it
has
been
looked
at.
F
A
Okay,
I
have
a
couple
of
questions,
so
I
didn't
see.
The
planning
department
represented
at
all
in
here
is
that
because
they
don't
have
any
capital
projects
now
the
reason
I'm
asking
and
it's
not
you
know
just
to
be
annoying
or
whatever,
but
they're.
The
historic
preservation
program
falls
in
the
planning
department
and
they
have
a
historic
preservation
plan.
A
N
That
I
can
say
we're
checking
with
our
sort
of
preservation,
folks
to
see
what
that
would
look
like
I,
don't
know
top
of
my
head.
What
that
would
potentially
look
like,
but
as
of
right
now,
no
the
planning
department
is
not
included
in
the
in
the
CIP.
I
can
look
into
that
and
follow
up
with
you
to
see
what
that
might
look
like,
though,
that
would
be
useful
yeah.
O
Add
on
that,
the
historic
division
of
the
planning
department
is
funded
by
the
general
fund
and
that
would
likely
be
the
source,
so
it
prioritize
against
all
the
other
general
fund
capital
needs,
but
it
certainly
should
be
listed
on
either
unfunded
for
consideration
we'll
get
with
the
folks
and
get
that
on
the
list.
Great.
Thank
you.
M
O
It
certainly
could
there's
two
different
options
that
could
probably
be
funded
by
the
general
fund
capital
program.
Also,
each
year
annually,
the
City
Council
can
there's
two
adjustments
to
the
base
budget
and
if
these
are
typically
for
opportunities,
two
types
of
items-
and
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
relate
to
capital
or
operating
it's
just
an
adjustment
to
the
budget,
and
they
could
take
that
up
for
consideration
at
that
time
as
well.
So.
O
A
Thanks
and
I
also
wanted
to
echo
the
comments
of
my
colleagues
about
the
document.
It
is
a
lot
easier
to
look
at
especially
being
able
to
go
to
the
budget
sheets
separately,
but
I
did
have
a
question
about
for
the
future.
You
know
ten
years
from
now
somebody
wants
to
look
back.
The
links
are
broken.
Is
there
an
integrated
version
of
the
document
that
people
will
be
able
to
pull
up
in
the
future.
N
Q
Q
It
starts
with
flood
plain
mapping,
it
goes
to
mitigation,
you
go
to
design
construction
and
then
you
submit
the
drawings
to
FEMA
to
get
a
letter
of
map
revision.
It's
basically
acknowledge
the
improvements
you
made
so
way
back
in
the
planning
phase.
When
you're
looking
at
any
one
of
a
number
of
the
drainage
ways.
Here,
you
may
identify
opportunistic
properties
to
purchase,
and
so,
if
you
remember,
there
are
three
delineations
in
floodplains.
There
is
the
high
hazard
zone,
which
is
the
most
restrictive,
there's
the
conveyance
zone
and
then
there's
the
hundred-year
flood
plain.
Q
So
we
have
a
program
which
identifies
properties
in
that
high
hazard
zone,
which
is
the
most
critical
for
purchase,
and
if
the
timing
is
right
and
there
a
piece
that
will
help
in
the
design
and
the
construction
of
those
upcoming
improvements,
then
we
would
purchase
that
structure.
Ok,
that's
been
going
on
for
quite
some
time.
A
very
large
example
would
be
across
from
the
Mapleton
ball
fields
on
the
Goose
Creek
project
we
purchased
the
fowl
or
property
years
ago,
and
we
recently
purchased
a
house
up
on
University.
Ok
in
the
Gregory
floodplain
is.
Q
The
case
of
the
Goose
Creek,
it
was
just
land
in
most
cases,
it's
the
structures.
We
have
a
chart
on
the
wall
that
shows
the
number
of
structures
and
all
of
those
three
floodplains
by
each
of
the
15
drainage
ways
and
the
high
hazard,
and
so
we
have
an
understanding
of
where
the
criticality
is
I
say
in
another
example.
If
you
know
the
Goose
Creek
drainage
way
behind
the
shade
tree,
restaurant
was
a
major
project
about
15
years
ago
it
went
through
the
Mapleton
mobile
home
park.
I
A
Right,
no
I
think
that's
great
okay,
I
have
another
question
for
you,
and
that
is
it's
about
all
of
the
digital
systems
and
utilities.
Yes
and
I'm
wondering
whether
you
have
sort
of
analog,
backups
or
analog
sort
of
parallel
systems
that
can
be
put
in
place
if
we're
under
one
of
those
cyber
sinister
sabotage
events
or
whatever
that
you
hear
about
are.
Q
A
I,
just
meant
I
just
meant,
if
you
know
like
I
know
during
our
flood,
we
had
issues
with
the
wastewater
and
that
kind
of
thing
and
you're
addressing
those
and
maybe,
as
you
are
upgrading
things,
become
more
and
more
sort
of
digitally
operated
and
the
warning
systems
and
things
like
that.
Everything
becomes
more
digital,
and
if
we
have
issues
with
our
digital
communications
or
operations,
are
their
analog
systems
in
place
still
where
we
could
still
operate
the
water
treatment
plant.
Q
Easier
for
me
to
talk
on
so,
for
example,
at
the
wastewater
treatment
facility,
we
have
to
power
feeds
that
come
in
to
that
facility
and
they're
from
two
different
substations,
and
that
was
required
as
part
of
a
C
panda
10:41
process
many
years
ago
to
ensure
that
the
quality
of
effluent
we
put
in
the
stream
was
always
maintained.
In
addition,
we
have
the
solar
field
out
there
and
the
cogeneration
systems,
which
provide
backup.
Q
In
addition
to
that,
we
have
diesel
generators,
so
in
engineering
in
general,
I
would
say
we
live
in
a
world
of
tremendous
redundancy.
There's
even
a
terminology,
for
example,
called
firm
capacity.
So
you,
when
you
rate
something
in
terms
of
its
ability
to
treat
you
take
the
largest
unit
out
of
service
and
your
rating
on
losing
that
so
there's
an
expectation
there.
So
I
think
those
sort
of
systems
have
a
lot
of
redundancy.
We
have
a
lot
of
redundancy
in
and
how
we've
gravitated
from
the
analog
systems
to
the
digital
as
well.
Okay,.
A
O
T
Fire
chief,
it's
a
great
question.
The
reasons
why
we're
relocating
that
station
is
because,
as
you
know,
in
the
CIP,
it's
currently
in
the
floodplain-
that's
gonna
limit
to
a
large
extent
what
we
can
do
with
that
property.
We've
explored
uses
for
the
fire
department
and
we're
still
exploring
that
with
folks
in
Parks
and
Rec
and
planning,
if
there's
other
uses
that
we
can
use
for
that,
but
currently
there's
no
fire
rescue
purpose
that
can
go
into
that
because
there's
a
critical
infrastructure
facilities
and
so
for
us,
it's,
unfortunately,
not
something.
We
can
reuse.
A
So,
can
you
tell
me
what
the
standard
what
standards
are
applicable
for
those
are?
They
I
mean
we
we
looked
recently
at
upgrading
the
city's
lighting
codes
and
bringing
them
up
to
higher
standards
for,
for
example,
dark
skies,
and
that
kind
of
thing
so
I'm
wondering
these
light,
poles,
which
the
replacement
of
is
driven
by
Xcel
according
to
what
I
read,
what
do
those
fall
under
than
the
same
standards
that
the
city
code
has
or
would
they
be
standards
that
Excel
has
or
how
would
that
work
to
you
so.
R
M
R
M
M
Well,
first
of
all,
I
was
happy
to
see
it,
and
my
first
question
was
is
really
about
the
Excel
liked
it
you
know.
Lighting
and
the
city
pays
the
bill
for
the
lighting
I
I
don't
know.
Maybe
Joe
Castro
is
the
one
that
actually
pays
the
bill
from
facilities,
but
for
years
we've
been
bringing
up.
I
should
say
during
the
various
negotiations
on
the
franchise
or
the
discussions
about
replacing
those
to
a
more
efficient
bulb
for
a
couple
of
reasons,
one
greenhouse
gas
reductions
and
two
just
saving
money.
M
U
Castro
facilities
and
fleet
manager
I
can't
answer
the
question
on
whether
Excel
is
going
to
replace
those
lights
or
not.
That's
probably
another
question
for
the
energy
features
group
but
I
know
in
our
inventory.
We
we
followed
the
protocol
for
local
government
emissions
and
in
that
protocol
we
can
track
and
identify
energy
usage
for
facilities
that
we
control
and
since
those
lights
fall
under
Xcel,
we
don't
track
it
in
our
city
emissions,
but
I
think
we
track
it
in
the
community
emissions
category.
So
that's
where
it's
tracked
great.
M
U
What
we're
doing
with
for
our
facilities
on
the
facility
side
is,
we
are
doing
a
retro-commissioning
studies
in
2019
and
you'll
see
that
in
our
CIP
for
our
facilities
over
5,000
square
feet,
that
haven't
had
a
recent
retro-commissioning
study
and
then,
in
accordance
with
the
energy
code
requirements
by
2021.
We
have
to
implement
those
recommendations
from
those
studies
based
on
the
need
to
meet
our
energy
code
requirements.
So
that's
another
project
in
the
CIP
you'll
see
on
the
under
the
fam
section.
U
So
that's
that's
the
analysis
portion
of
the
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
then
every
year
we
do
these
inventories
not
only
first
city
internal
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
but
also
for
the
community
wide.
So
we
can
kind
of
track
trends
see
where
we
need
to
do
more
analysis,
like
we're
now
undergoing
of
solar
PV
study
run
by
energy
features
group
to
see
what
city
properties
are
viable
for
more
solar
and
that'll,
be
completed
by
the
end
of
the
year
here,
and
you
may
see
that
in
another
CIP
or
possibly
an
adjustment
to
base.
U
M
A
A
J
A
Anybody
else
want
to
okay,
I
just
have
one
I
think
it
is
I
agree
with
John.
It
is
consistent,
but
I.
There
is
a
section
of
the
comp
plan
devoted
to
historic
preservation
and
there's.
Never
some
in
the
five
years
I've
been
on
Planning
Board
ever
been
anything
in
the
CIP
about
historic
preservation
at
all,
so
I
think
that's
something
to
sort
of
work
toward,
maybe
for
future
years.
So,
okay,
let's
move
to
the
next
one,
then
scope
priorities
and
scheduling
of
the
proposed
CI
EP
projects.
F
Just
put
on
my
hat
when
I
was
helping
fundraise
full
time
for
nonprofits
and
the
idea
of
grants
which
would
I
assume
that
there's
someone
I
mean
a
salaried
person
who
is
pursuing
these
grants
and
I
know
they're
hard
to
find,
but
it
seemed
like
that
could
be
a
return
on
that
person's
time.
10,
folder
plus-
and
there
are
so
many
different
ways,
these
days
and
shifting
sands
on
grants
for
these
types
of
things
and
Boulder
being
a
brand
that
it
is
and
what
is
trying
to
do.
F
M
On
that
topic,
I
usually
ask
this
question:
what
is
the
city's
policy
and
what
are
the
grants?
They've
applied
for
him
received
from
goko,
because
great
outdoors
Colorado
is
one
of
the
major
funders
of
parks,
open
space,
youth
education,
a
lot
of
different
things.
You
don't
have
to
tell
us
now,
but
I
always
think
that
a
more
aggressive
stance
is
good
and
sometimes
the
department's
will
trade
off
when
they
apply
for
grants
between
parks
and
open
space,
so
you're
not
competing
against
one
another.
M
But
in
my
experience
there
they've
probably
changed
this
since
I've
worked
on
these
type
of
projects,
but
they
had
four
different
pots
money
and
you
can
put
in
for
all
four
at
once
and
if
you
get
them
be
careful
of
what
you
wish
for,
because
then
you
really
they're
really
quite
exacting
on
performance,
but
I
know
the
city
of
other
staff
is
up
to
it.
But
I've
said
this
before
I'd
like
to
see
a
more
aggressive
approach
to
that.
O
Think
just
a
quick
comment,
as
you
could
see
on
the
tour
for
those
that
attended
a
lot
of
the
projects,
especially
around
the
transportation,
our
grant
funding.
We
could
certainly
do
a
better
job
displaying.
You
know
how
much
leverage
that
we
have
in
either
private
or
grant
funding
opportunities
compared
to
our
total
CIP
I.
Think.
S
A
A
For
that
and
I
think
there
are
other
undeveloped
sites
in
the
floodplain
that
will
come
up
for
development
and
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
get
ahead
of
those
proposals
also,
and
we
should
look
at
what
remaining
undeveloped
floodplains
are
out
there
and
look
at
the
potential
for
flood
mitigation
and
green
waste
projects,
and
before
someone
comes
to
us
with
a
concept
plan,
it's
that
much
harder
after
that
happens.
So
that's
a
comment
on
the
scope
and
priorities
and
then
I
had
another
comment
on
that,
and
that
is
the
senior
center
work.
A
U
I
C
Excuse
me
I'm,
having
a
it's
been
a
year
on
the
30th
in
Colorado
corridor
study
out
I'm,
looking
forward
to
seeing
the
dollars
appear
for
the
protected
bike
lanes
along
that
30th
Street
corridor.
I!
Guess
that's
something
that
is
it's
I
know
it's
a
kind
of
a
long
term,
piece-by-piece
thing,
but
I
guess
you
know
I'll
be
looking
forward
to
that
over.
The
next
year's
so
just
want
to
put
in
a
good
word
for
it.
A
We've
recently
seen
to
concept
plans
in
the
four-mile
Canyon
Creek
floodplain,
the
shiny
mountain
Waldorf,
School
and
redevelopment,
and
the
Ponderosa
mobile
home
park
redevelopment
and
right
now.
Both
of
those
projects
also
have
transportation
challenges.
A
We
heard
a
lot
from
the
public
both
of
those
projects
specifically
related
to
transportation
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
there's,
if
it's
on
the
radar
of
folks
and
I
guess.
This
is
a
comment
to
that.
If,
if
there
is
a
flood
mitigation
project
on
4,
Mile,
Canyon
Creek
upstream
of
Broadway,
that
it
would
be
good
to
sort
of
try
to
coordinate
with
those
developments
and
transportation,
you
know,
as
you
know,
you
guys
do
such
a
fabulous
job,
coordinating
with
greenways
through
greenways,
with
you
transportation
and
flood
mitigation,
and
all
of
that
it's
it's
been
great.
A
So
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity
and
I
hope
that
it
gets
kind
of
a
higher
priority,
because
we
have
you
know
a
very
vulnerable
population
in
one
of
the
sites,
and
then
we
have
a
school
and
another
one
of
the
sites,
and
it
just
seems
like
it's
not.
You
know
your
typical,
suburban
development
that
we
would
be
trying
to
protect
and
mitigate
for
flood.
These
are
actually
people
who
probably
are
not
in
a
position
to
recover
that
quickly
and
they
need
help
with
resilience
and
that
kind
of
thing.
A
A
J
I
I
made
my
comment
earlier
about
the
South
Boulder
Creek
situation
and
and
I
certainly
understand
the
response
that
there's
been
so
much
work
done
on
it
that
it
might
be
superfluous
to
to
to
carry
out
yet
another
duplicate
of
Prada
process.
But
at
the
same
time,
I
think.
We
should
make
sure
that
the
process
has
considered
all
the
things
that
are
supposed
to
be
considered
and
in
an
in
a
seat
process
and
I'm,
not
convinced
that
it
has.
A
Thanks
and
then
I
had
a
comment
on
this
on
the
seep,
and
that
was
one
of
the
items
listed
was
Boulder
Creek
flood
mitigation
and
it's
not
doesn't
specify
where
or
anything.
But
it's
I
thought
that
if
seeps
are
done
on
Boulder
Creek
flood
mitigation,
I
would
hope
that
updating
the
hydrologic
data
that's
used
for
those
is
done
because,
as
I
mentioned
many
times,
this
is
Boulder
Creek,
not
South,
Boulder
Creek,
which
I
know
has
more
recent
hydrologic
analysis
done
on
it,
but
Boulder
creeks.
A
The
most
recent
data,
that's
used
in
any
of
the
floodplain
work
on
Boulder
Creek
is
nineteen.
Seventy
seven.
So
we
have
41
or
40
years
of
hydrologic
data
that
we're
not
using
and
I
know
that.
There's
a
report
that
the
Jeff
Arthur
has
recommended
that
we
look
at
that
was
supposed
to
offer
justification
for
not
updating
the
hydrology
and
I
went
and
read
that
report
and
I
don't
feel
like.
It
really
offers
a
very
good
justification.
Actually
for
not
updating
the
hydrology
I
mean
we're
talking
40
years
of
data.
A
That
report
relies
on
a
method
offered
by
the
Colorado
Water
Conservation
Board,
for
communities
that
don't
have
access
to
data
so
anyway.
I
would
really
hope
that
a
seep
on
Boulder
Creek
mitigation
would
include
and
dated
hydrologic
study,
and
it
is
a
big
deal
to
do
that.
I
understand
that
I
know
it
sounds
simple,
but
I
think
it's
time
so
and
comments
on
the
seats.
You
know.
Okay
and
I.
Just
have
one
thing:
I
want
to
say
about
the
the
situation
with
the
fire
station
is
so
emblematic
of
everything
that's
happening.
A
We
have
rising
light
land
costs
and
we
have
climate
change,
causing
increasing
flood
risk
and
increasing
wildfire
risk,
and
we
have
growth
and
we
have
increased
dwelling
units
and
it's
just
and
you
know
greater
service
requirements,
and
it's
just
like
it's
all
kind
of
come
together
at
fire
station
number
three
and
to
me
it's
like
this.
Almost
like
this
symbol
of
all
of
the
issues
coming
together
at
the
same
time
and
so
I
hope
we
can
move
on
that
pretty
quickly
and
I
hope
we
can
find
a
good
use
for
that
land
after
it
moves.
M
I
saw
the
city
presentation
on
channel
8
by
the
Forester,
saying
that,
once
the
tree
dies,
your
costs
for
removal
will
include
getting
a
crane
in
and
removing
it,
because
the
tree
removal
companies
won't
climb
dead
trees
they'll,
do
it
with
the
crane
for
safety
reasons,
so
I'm
just
thinking
to
be
looking
forward
on
this,
that
there
could
be
some
kind
of
match
for
property
owners.
It's
you
know:
it's
easy
to
get
up
to
ten
thousand
dollars
on
your
property,
with
removing
a
few
big
trees.
M
I
mean
large,
large
ashes
or
more
than
a
few
and
then
finally
Liz
you
brought
the
updated
you've
brought
up
the
updated
hydro
study
for
Boulder
Creek
I
think
we
ought
to
put
a
recommendation
in
there.
I
don't
know
how
other
people
feel
about
calling
out
a
few
of
these
items
or
if
they
want
to
add
to
it.
A
J
I
I
think
your
idea
of
having
the
city
become
more
active
in
its
emerald
ash
borer
program
and
adding
some
some
program
which
would
help
to
deal
with
the
privately
owned
trees
is
excellent,
because
I
think
we
heard
that
the
city-owned
trees
are
a
small
fraction
of
the
total.
So
but
it's
the
total
that
the
city
should
be
thinking
about
I,
see
before.
O
O
P
P
As
you
described
the
private
property
owners,
they
will
face
probably
perhaps
two
to
three
thousand
dollars
worth
of
removal
just
to
remove
one
tree
if
it,
if
they
do
need
to
use
a
crane
when
ash
borer
hits
the
tree,
I
mean
it's
within
a
year
and
it's
just
so
brittle
and
dead
that
it
needs
to
be
removed
quickly
and
that's
why
the
climbers
can't
go
up
and
you
have
to
use
the
crane.
We
have
engaged
our
play
boulder
foundation
in
this
initiative
as
well
to
start
reaching
out
to
the
private
property
owners.
P
In
fact,
they've
started
a
whole
campaign
called
a
tree
trust
and
there's
a
whole
team.
That's
working
together
of
tree
care
companies,
just
interested
individuals,
etc,
they're,
starting
to
reach
out
and
figure
out
how
we
can
support
private
property
owners
and
that,
but
there
truly
is
funding.
That's
needed
all
around
to
address.
The
issue
like
I
said
we're
just
ramping
up
to
really
seeing
large-scale
dieback
of
the
forest
canopy
so,
but
we
are
working
closely
with
that
to
see
what
we
we
can
do
in
terms
of
raising
funds
and
supporting
that
financially.
M
Thank
you
Jeff,
even
even
dedicating
some
city
funding
to
it
and
then
creating
criteria
for
how
you
could
apply
and
who
would
be
eligible
because
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that
live
in
moderate
income,
households
or
low
income.
Households
that
own
their
properties
that
could
be
faced
with
could
be
faced
with
some
large
bills
that
they
don't
expect
right.
M
P
F
P
M
Want
to
make
the
main
motion
and
then
amend
it
to
include
yeah,
okay,
we'll
all
recommend
to
the
City
Council
I'll
recommend
City
Council
approved
2019
to
2024
proposed
capital
improvement
program,
including
the
list
of
CIP
projects
undergo
a
community
and
environmental
assessment
process
is
outlined
them
a
staff
recommendation
I'll.
Second,
it
I
guess
it
should
actually
be
plant.
I
move
that
Planning
Board
recommends
to
the
City
Council
approval.
J
I
think
it
might
be
a
friendly
amendment
that
we
recommend
to
the
City
Council
that
they
allocate
some
funds
to
for
historic,
for
land
marking
and
historic
preservation,
activities
explicitly
and
I
think
I
think
actually
Jeff's
comments
about
the
tree
programs
and
how
it's
going
on
means
that
it
might
not
be
a
pro
not
be
necessary
to
allocate
to
make
a
recommendation
about
that.
At
this
point.
So
I
just
recommend
suggest
that
we,
the
city,
allocate
explicit
funds
for
land
marking
and
an
historic
preservation.
So.
A
E
A
M
So
what
I'm
thinking
about
is
its
kind.
It
could
be
difficult
in
the
see
it
in
this
adoption
of
the
CIP.
If
you
don't
have
a
project
in
the
works,
if
you
don't
have
a
historic
preservation
project,
specifically
in
the
works,
so
I
guess
maybe
rather
than
allocate
explicit
funds
that
recommend
recommend
that
City
Council
surveys,
the
department's
for
potential
project
potential,
historic
preservation,
projects
that
could
be
included
in
the
general
fund
capital
program.
J
M
A
Way,
it
works,
though
it's
all
very
opportunistic.
A
project
kind
of
building
comes
up
for
demolition,
and
it's
over
you
know
within
160
days
or
180
days
or
whatever
it
is
so
to
have
to
identify
ahead
of
time
is
almost
impossible
for
the
kind
of
thing
that
I
was
thinking
of
which
is
you
know
to
avoid
that
brain
damage
that
comes
up
with
landmarking
over
the
owners?
A
M
So
I
was
just
going
say
so
Katie
you've
heard
our
discussion.
I
mean
what
what
do
you
recommend
I
mean
you
might
not
recommend
anything
on
this,
but
considering
our
discussion,
where,
where
would
you
recommend
that
we
put
this
to
allow
flexibility
to
meet
these
emerging
issues
and
I?
Consider
Harvick
house
one
of
them
quite
frankly,
but
there's.
O
Probably
two
different
ways
that
you
could
consider
it
similar
to
what
other
funds
do
you
could
designate
an
opportunistic
contingency
for
lack
of
a
better
words
just
coming
off
the
top
of
my
head
related
to
historic
preservation,
acquisition
and
maintain
it
every
year
and
if
it
gets
used
great,
if
it
doesn't,
then
it
falls
back
to
the
fund
to
be
you
know,
prioritized
in
the
next
year.
You
could
also
ask
counsel
to
dedicate
a
specific
reserve
within
the
whole
general
fund
budget.
O
M
F
C
So
we're
not
just
constantly
asking
the
property
owners
to
absorb
costs,
but
that
in
fact
there
could
be
dollars
to
help
with
these
things
so
that
we
wouldn't
constantly
be
reaching
the
same
conclusion
like
you,
then
use
you
said:
I
guess,
I,
don't
know
if
this
throws
20:19
into
you
know
a
prioritization
dilemma.
If
we,
if
we
are
too
heavy-handed
in
if
we
have
a
way
of
saying
well,
this
is
something
that
we
would
like
to
to
work
into
the
priorities
and
I.
You
know
I,
guess
I'm
just
asking.
C
A
E
F
F
F
M
Just
one
more
thing:
okay
with
you
had
brought
up
the
hydrological
study
update
for
Boulder
Creek
mm-hmm.
How
would
you
I
mean
I
think
that
that's
important
enough
and
it's
been
brought
up
numerous
times
for
whether
it
was
with
the
comp
plan
or
every
time
we
see
a
project
with
a
Civic
Center
and
he
brought
it
up
so
I
think
it
would
be
important
that
this
that
the
Boulder
Creek
projects
include
an
updated
is
the
hydrological
study,
the
riah,
a
study
that
updates,
though,
what
was
the
last
time
it
was
done.
A
M
A
A
Okay,
you
want
to
make
a
motion
to
amend
this.
This
us
motion.
Well,
let
me
restate
this
one,
then:
okay,
okay,
so
there's
been
a
motion
by
grey
seconded
by
Peyton
that
Planning
Board
recommend
to
the
City
Council
approval
of
the
2019
to
2024
proposed
capital
improvement
program,
including
the
list
of
CIP
projects
to
undergo
a
community
and
environmental
assessment
process,
as
outlined
in
the
staff
memorandum.
C
Q
Am
aware
of
the
issue
to
which
you
speak
of
but
I
don't
have
the
specifics
or
the
report
that
Jeff
had
I'm
happy
to
follow
up
on
it
immediately.
The
only
thing
that
I
hear
that's
a
little
cautioning
is
you're
talking
about
one
specific
study
for
Boulder
Creek,
which
is
one
of
many
studies
in
the
storm
and
flood
utility
and
whatever
sort
of
adoption
we
would
do
in
terms
of
new
meteor
logic,
information
which
has
been
published
by
NOAA.
That
may
have
an
impact
on
the
hydrology.
M
Q
A
Q
A
Really
the
inputs,
the
hydrologic
inputs
that
are
not
current
and
I
mean
you
can
either
you
know,
I
haven't
dug
into
it
enough
to
really
tell
you
which
stations
and
that
kind
of
thing
to
look
at
or
anything
like
that.
But
when
you're
saying
that
you'd
want
to
use
the
same,
NOAA
recommend
no
numbers
for
what's
a
South
Boulder
Creek
as
Boulder
Creek
or
well.
Q
I
Q
Have
not
adopted
that
yet
for
floodplain
analyses
throughout
the
city
and
so
with
respect
to
any
particular
analysis
on
a
project
like
an
analysis
of
Boulder
Creek
coming
up,
rather
than
just
talk
about
the
specifics.
There
I
think
it
would
probably
be
a
better
idea
if
utilities
was
to
look
at
the
potential
impacts
of
integrating
this
new
information
across
all
of
the
studies,
not
just
in
one
of
the
15
drainage
ways
right.
A
Q
A
M
Well,
since
it
was
identified
as
one
of
the
seep
projects
I
think
it's
appropriate
that
we
make
this
recommendation.
It's
not
tied
to
2018
or
2019,
but
it's
just
I,
don't
know
how
else
to
get
the
City
Council's
attention.
Then
they
are
the
ones
that
you
know
drive
the
drive
the
bus
so
to
speak
around
here
that,
besides
putting
it
in
here
that
this
is
our
Boulder.
Creek
information
really
needs
to
be
updated.
M
A
M
I
J
A
J
Actually,
the
the
conversation
after
I
made
it
was
was
quite
illuminating.
I
wouldn't
want
to
specify
whether
it
should
be
which
of
the
alternatives
it
should
be,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
that
there
should
be
some
way
to
make
funds
available
so
that
the
City
Council
can
act
relatively
quickly.
Okay,.
C
It
something
like
the
Planning
Board
sees
the
value
in
investigating
you
having
a
funding
mechanism
available
for
the
purpose
of
historic,
landmark
designation
of
properties
that
are
that
could
be
potentially
be
under
threat
for
demolition
or
something
like
that
or
I.
Don't
know
exactly
how
to
word
it.
But
we
were
talking
about
like
a
contingency.
F
A
A
There
was
just
almost
no
incentive
that
we
could
offer
to
the
property
owner
to
not
demolish
the
structure,
but
it
was
a
you
know,
historically
significant
and
we
people
came
in
from
Denver
to
argue
to
save
that
building
and
it
just
and
we
weren't
able
to
save
it,
because
we
didn't
have
any
mechanism
for
saving
it
other
than
a
land
marking
over
the
owners.
Objection-
and
that
was
a
split
vote
on
landmarks
in
City
Council,
cannot
call
up
a
demolition.
F
The
more
recent
example
that
made
the
front
page
was
the
family
that
was
undergoing
a
similar
situation.
Same
neighbor
case
would
provide
them
with.
We
would
produce
a
pile
of
money
that
would
allow
them
to
not
go
to
the
daily
camera.
With
this
article
instead
go
happily
in
the
sunset
with
the
money
right,
I.
F
A
H
A
M
M
So
if
the
planning
department
and
the
landmarks
board
recommends
that
this
fund
be
used
to
purchase
and
preserve
the
property,
what
they
could
do
is
landmark
the
property
maybe
or
buy
the
property
land
market,
maybe
even
work
with
a
an
architect,
come
up
with
some
concepts,
a
good
preservation,
architect
and
then
remarket
the
property.
And
then
you
replenish
the
fund
right
course.
M
You're
gonna
be
buying
down
some
of
the
value
mm-hmm,
but
you'd
have
a
landmark
property
and
I
just
think
being
proactive
and
maybe
having
some
architects
that
are
on
that
are
qualified
through
the
planning
department.
So
you
could
work
with
them
and
come
up
with
some
sketches.
So
potential
buyers
could
understand
what
could
actually
be
done.
Great.
M
C
I
think
what
we're
asking
for
is
is
this.
You
know
this
concept,
this
bucket
to
be
added,
and
then
we
work
on
how
would
it
get
funded?
How
would
it
get
prioritized?
You
know
over
time
and
I
also
have
always
wondered.
You
know
what
sorts
of
grant
possibilities
there
might
be
for
historic
preservation
if
we,
if
we
did
start
to
look
into
it,
are
there
interested
parties
outside
of
the
scope
of
our
community,
who
you
know
that
we
might
be
able
to
tap
into
for
such
a
thing.
C
M
E
C
A
A
M
B
A
A
M
F
M
B
A
A
C
A
One
of
the
items
that
didn't
make
it
on
here
that
just
came
up
was
scheduling
an
opportunity
to
have
that
conflict
of
interest,
discussion,
mm-hmm,
follow-up,
yeah.
M
A
So
the
first
one
is
the
Planning
Board
liaison
follow
up.
Folks,
everybody
was
at
the
retreat,
so
everybody
probably
knows
what
this
is
about,
but
we
were
willing
to.
Staff
was
going
to
reach
out
to
the
transportation
advisory
board,
the
water
resources
advisory
board
and
the
design
advisory
board
to
see
if
they
wanted
a
liaison
from
Planning
Board.
Okay,
so.
G
I'll
give
you
kind
of
the
review
on
that:
okay
I'll
start
with
dab,
which
would
be
the
easiest
one,
which
is
the
design
advisory
board.
Of
course,
they
want
a
liaison
as
always
and
Brian
Bowan
has
offered,
and
they
have
accepted
to
have
Brian
attend
the
meetings
without
question
without
any
problems
with
that,
he
will
continue
his
role
in
that
capacity
and
I
believe
Liz
you,
this
I,
don't
think
this
was
discussed.
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
that
you
were
a
second
kind
of
a
standing.
I
was
the
backup
yeah
backup.
A
A
F
M
F
M
G
As
far
as
tab-
okay
I,
they
addressed
it
in
their
latest
meeting
and
Mike
Sweeney,
the
Director
of
Public
Works
Transportation,
got
back
with
me.
He
said
that
a
liaison
would
be
fine.
They,
however,
would
like
parameters
to
be
set
and
defined
clearly,
and
but
they
don't
have
a
problem
with
having
a
liaison.
They
just
want
the
parameters
to
be
said.
Do.
A
C
After
listening
that
to
the
tab
meeting
and
listening
to
everything,
they
had
to
say,
I
thought
it
might
open,
meaning
that
perhaps
I
mean
I'd
be
willing
to
take
this
stab
at
saying
what
you
know.
Certainly
what
I
thought
and
what
maybe
we
thought
at
the
retreat
liaison
would
do
it
without
changing
the
city
charter
and
without
with
conforming
to
the
current
restrictions
on
what
can
be
discussed
between
the
two
boards.
Okay,
if
it
would
make
sense,
I'll
put
those
thoughts
down.
G
G
J
G
A
M
Just
gonna
say
I
think
that
that's
a
fair
question
that
my
guests
and
on
the
housing
advisory
board,
meeting
I
think
they
actually
did
take
a
stab
at
identifying
the
criteria
for
the
or
how
the
ex-officio
would
participate.
So
I'm
sure
we
could
get
that
from
Kurt
fern,
Harbour
and.
G
On
the
rabb
side
of
things,
Jeff
Arthur
actually
sent
me
an
email
which
I
would
be
happy
to
read
to
you
what
his
response.
Okay,
Rab
meetings
are
open
to
the
public
and
planning
board.
Members
are
always
welcome
to
attend.
We
would
defer
to
Planning
Board
on
whether
they
would
like
to
consistently
have
the
same
person
attend
and
the
extent
to
which
that
person
would
be
authorized
to
speak
on
behalf
of
their
board.
Rab
generally
meets
the
third
Monday
of
each
month.
G
Six
pm
municipal
services
center
at
50/50,
East
pearl,
you
told
me
where
agendas
are
posted
radmann
members
would
also
generate,
would
also
generally
willing
be
willing
to
attend
Planning
Board
when
there
are
relevant
agenda
items.
Rab
is
required
to
hold
a
public
hearing
prior
to
making
any
recommendations,
so
we
would
generally
need
at
least
one
month's
notice
to
allow
the
full
board
to
consider
the
item
ahead
of
the
planning
board.
G
A
A
M
A
H
A
A
If
you
would
put
this
give
everybody
a
copy
of
this
timeline,
so
we
can
see
sort
of
where
we
fit
in
to
the
overall
picture
for
South
Florida
Creek,
it
looks
like
they've
done:
they've
met
with
Reb
and
open
space
multiple
times
since
the
last
time
we
saw
it
they've
gotten
recommendations
from
the
open
space
board
and
and
rad,
and
then
our
item
I,
think
was
just
going
to
be.
An
information
item.
Is
that
right,
that's
correct.
R
A
So
and
then
the
next
thing
you
know
on
August
7th
is
council
decision
on
project
concept,
so
I
think
that
the
well
we
received
some
emails
from
members
of
the
public,
and
then
we
received
some
testimony
from
public,
but
I
asked
aftering
council
ordering
the
agenda
meeting
yesterday.
If
we
could
convert
that
August
2nd
meeting
to
a
public
hearing-
and
it
sounds
like
it's-
maybe
possible-
maybe
notice,
but
it's
not
out
of
them.
The
situation
is.
I
K
So
it's
going
to
be
published
this
weekend
as
a
matter
item
now,
legally
I
think
you
can
still
change
it
to
a
public
hearing,
but
we
do
have
that
one
notice
out
there
that
says
it's
a
matter
item
and
and
I
think
you
could
make
a
motion
and
say
for
this
item
we're
going
to
suspend
our
procedural
rules
and
we
want
to
make
this
a
public
hearing
and
publish
it
the
weekend
before.
Ok,
the
item
is
being
heard
so
I
think
you
could
still
do
that.
Okay,
those
are
all
the
facts
around
it.
M
F
I
F
D
G
B
Let
me
actually
I,
don't
think
it's
a
good
idea
honestly,
because
you
know
the
public's
gotta
show
up
then,
for
you
know
a
marathon
meeting
on
August,
2nd
here
and
then
another
one
on
August
7th,
just
to
say
the
same
stuff
and
I
think
you
know
the
bite
is
making.
This
decision
is
City
Council,
not
us
and
just
out
of
respect
for
their
time.
I
think
it's
better
for
them
just
to
go
to
City
Council
than
to
come
and
do
it
to
two
times.
B
There's
not
gonna
be
a
lot
of
reformatting
of
anything
in
there
between
those
two
days.
It's
only
four
or
five
days
with
time,
mm-hmm
I,
don't
you
know,
I
know
that
people
will
get
hurt
at
City,
Council.
So
I,
don't
think
that's
a
question
so
I
don't
think.
There's
a
need
for
us
to
to
turn
into
a
public
hearing.
J
I
J
S
J
H
B
J
M
Ahead
I
agree
with
John
and
even
if
it's
just
to
give
our
recommendation
on
this
is
conformed
to
the
comp
plan
policies
and
we've
had
a
long
discussion
on
the
south.
We
have
guiding
principles
for
Cu
South,
so
I
think
it
would
be
worth
it
and
the
public
is
gonna
show
up
anyway
and
they're
gonna
show
up
and
they're
going
to
show
up
for
our
public
participation,
so
they'll
be
testifying
before
a
presentation
is
made
and
then,
if,
during
the
presentation,
we
have
some
questions,
usually
we
get
a
presentation.
M
Then
we
have
public
testimony
and
if
we
have
any
questions
from
any
member
of
the
public
or
a
group
of
people,
I'm
sure
there'll
be
some
time
pooling.
Here
we
have
the
benefit
of
having
the
most
current
presentation
and
it
to
me
that
seems
more
efficient
because
we're
going
to
have
the
public
here
and
they're
going
to
testify,
then
we
have
a
presentation
and
if
we
want
to
clarify
anything
with
the
public,
what's
the
mechanism,
their
comments,
we
don't
have
a
mechanism
to
do
that
except
to
ask
the
chair.
M
If
we
can
call
up,
you
know,
Jim,
to
clarify
a
couple
of
comments,
so
I
just
think
it's
a
look.
It's
more
orderly
and
yes,
I
would
like
to
make
a
recommendation.
This
conforms
to
the
comp
plan
policy.
I
mean
we
were
all
pretty
current
on
it.
The
comp
plan
in
this
area,
because
we
went
through
the
whole
adoption
process.
I
might.
J
C
C
Something
I
was
just
going
to
point
out
that
we
did.
We
did
take
a
pretty
major
role
in
the
guiding
principles
for
that
section
in
the
comp
plan:
Planning
Board
kind
of
drove
those
guiding
principles.
So
from
that
standpoint
it
would
be
kind
of
interesting
to
look
at
it
through
that
lens
and
make
some
comments.
I
guess
get.
A
A
K
E
A
H
So,
on
Tuesday
night
Council
approved
the
311
Mapleton
project,
five,
four,
after
a
lengthy
discussion,
there
were
some
conditions
placed
on
it
to
reduce
the
apparent
bulk,
mass
and
scale
of
the
project
will
also
be
sent
back
to
dab
for
review,
subject
to
the
final
approval
of
the
planning
director.
Okay,
so
Jim
will
have
the
sign-off
authority
on
the
final
product
and
a
covenant
for
the
fruit.
Hoff's
property
was
executed
and
brought
to
the
meeting
to
guarantee
100
permanently
affordable
units
at
the
fruit
off
site.
M
V
It
was
a
long
night
of
about
5
hours,
but
I
believe
that
what
with
regard
to
that
particular
issue
in
terms
of
access
to
trail
and
so
forth,
I
believe
it
was
exactly
what
came
before
you
I,
don't
think
there
were
additional
conditions
or
additional
offers
placed
upon
it.
As
I
recall,
the
project
will
provide
full
public
access
through
their
internal
roadways
and
circulation
systems,
up
to
the
trailheads
location
and
so
forth.
Yeah
yeah.
J
J
V
V
I,
my
recollection
is
low
income,
but
crystal
my
my
recollection
is
not
a
hundred
percent
solid
around
that
so
we'll.