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Mark
mcintyre,
pb:
this
would
this
have
some
effect
on
me?,
or
is
this
only
on
new
projects??
So
the
wording
is
unclear..
So
whether
this
is
a
new
project
or
it
actually
be,
retroactive
during
projects,
would
definitely
not
be
retroactive,
and
that's
the
intent..
It's
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
complicated
section.,
but
the
point
being,.
If
you
have
some
executed,
document,
a
covenant.
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Michelle
allen,
cob:
the
agreed
upon
terms
of
that
document.,
but
it
also
it
needs
to..
That
section
needs
to
address
like
the
the
title,.
I
think,
will
be
changed
slightly.,
but
it
needs
to
address
who
gets
to
go
under
the
old
rules
and
who
gets
to
go
under
the
new
rules?.
And
so
what
we're
saying
is
that.
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Michelle
allen,
cob:
that
probably
needs
a
little
bit
of
work.,
but
we
want
to
clarify,
because
obviously
developers
want
to
know,
can
I?
can
I
choose
which
set
of
rules.
I
go
under?
at
what
point
do
I??
Am
I
bound
by
the
new
rules
or
bound
by
the
old
rules.,
and
so
that
that's
just
what
that
is
all
about,,
just
trying
to
clarify
that.
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Michelle
allen,
cob:,
so
we
didn't
wanna
limit
the
value
of
the
land
to
be
dedicated
in
the
way
that
it
is
in
the
code
right
now.,
and
so
we
decided
that
probably
the
best
way
to
to
handle
that
would
be.
This
sort
of
generic
term
of
the
city
must
determine..
The
land
can
be
reasonably
developed
for
affordable
housing.
and
so
that
we
can
take
a
look
at
whatever
land,
they're
proposing
and
say,.
Do
we
have
a
project
that
would
work
there.
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Michelle
allen,
cob:,
so
it
would
be,,
whichever
is
larger.
the
difference
between
the
land,
value
and
cash
in
lieu
or
50%
of
the
cash
in
lieu..
So
in
other
words,
it
guarantees
that
we
would
get
50%
of
the
gas
cash
and
lou
to
develop
the
piece
of
land..
We
may
end
up
with
a
smaller
piece
of
land
that
way,,
but
we're
gonna
get
some
money
to
develop.
The
land.
does
that
make
sense?.
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Kurt
nordback,
pb:
sounds
great,
and
thanks,
emily,
for
raising
that
I
was
confused
by
that..
I
have
a
question
about
item
a
in
the
code
changes.,
so
my
understanding
is,
we're
talking
about
getting
rid
of
the
80%
tier
and
putting
in
a
50%
tier..
That
seems
like
a
really
significant
change.
and
wouldn't
that
leave
the
people.
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Michelle
allen,
cob:,
it's
very
different
than
ownership,
ownership.,
they're
gonna
just
sell
the
unit,,
the
affordable,
unit.
and
then
they're
out
of
it..
They
don't
have
to
deal
with
the
affordable
stuff
anymore.
after
that,
right?,
the
the
the
developer.
but
with
rentals
they're
gonna
hold
onto
the
thing
and
they're
gonna
own
it.
and
they're
gonna
manage
it,
and
it's
a
much
bigger
commitment
because
it's
permanent.
it's
a
permanent
commitment
to
having
these
affordable
rentals
on
site.
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Kurt
nordback,
pb:,
so
my
understanding
is
currently,.
If
you're,
building
single
family,
detailing
which
we
don't
have
that
many
of
anymore.,
but
we're
saying
that
the
currently,,
the
proposed,,
the
currently,,
the
affordable
units
have
to
be
single,,
family
detached,
and
we're
saying
to
allow
them
to
be
attached.
Down.
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Michelle
allen,,
cob:
and
again,.
This
is
just
so
sort
of
the
sweeten
the
deal
to
say..
You
don't
have
to
take
those
valuable
single
family
homes
and
make
them
affordable..
We
will
accept
town
homes,,
which
is
a
great
product..
We
would
love
to
get
like.
We
don't
get
town
homes..
So
if
we,,
if
this
would
help
anybody,
make
the
decision
to
give
to
do
town
homes
as
the
affordable
product.,
it
would
be
great
sorry.
My
cat
loves
zoom
calls.
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lisa
smith:
staff
and
the
consultants
have
put
a
lot
of
thought
into
trying
to
address
it..
It
doesn't
address
everything.,
you
know
perfectly
way..
We
think
it
maybe
could
or
should,
but
I
know
that
that
means
that
we'll
just
keep
working
on
it
and
trying
to
improve
it
further..
So
I
think
other
other
plan
members
will
have
more
to
say.,
but
I
just
say
I'm
broadly
supportive
of
of
the
efforts..
It
makes
sense
to
me
that.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
thank
you.,
so
I'll
try
not
to
repeat..
I
agree
with
the
support
of
comments..
I
think
staff
have
just
hit
it
out
of
the
park
with
this
one..
You
may
recall
when
we
first
started
talking
about
the
inclusionary
housing
update.
and
there
was
this
focus
on
middle
income
housing..
I
got
a
little
clutchy.
and
I
was
like,.
Why
are
we
focusing
on
middle
income.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
for
a
lot
of
reasons.
and
one
that
hasn't
been
mentioned
tonight,
is
that
if
you
are
putting
on
site
units
into
a
like
a
condo
project
or
a
development
that
has
an
hoa.
one
of
the
problems
that
we've
seen
in
the
past
is
that
the
ho
fees
are
dictated,
of
course,
by
the
whole
hoa
that
is
dominated
by
market
rate,.
People
who
can
afford
more.,
and
so
the
ho
fees
tend
to
escalate
and
become
unaffordable
to
people
who
are
low
and
moderate
income,.
And
if
the
people
who
are
on
site.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
which
is
this
item
d
in
the
chart
about
land
dedication.,
and,
sarah,.
You
told
me
once
I
wanna
credit
you
for
this..
You
told
me
once
sometimes
when
we
see
a
project,,
we
see
something
that
concerns
us,
and
we
bring
it
up
to
staff,,
and
maybe
we
can't
fix
it
right
then,
and
there
in
that
project,,
because
that
project
is
being
constructed
under
current
rules.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
but
staff
are
listening,
and
they
will
come
back
to
us
sometime
in
the
future
with
a
code
update
that
will
address
that
problem
for
the
future.,
and
I
think
that
that
has
been
done
here
for
the
land
dedication.
you
folks
may
remember,
with
diagonal
plaza..
We
raised
the
concern
about.
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That.,
the
on-site
units,
laura
kaplan,
pb:,
did
not
have
access
to
some
of
the
open
space
that
the
market
rate
tenant.
market
rate
unit
tenants
did
have
access
to,.
Even
though
that
open
space
was
being
counted
as
open
space
for
the
whole
project
under
one
site
review.,
it
didn't
sit
well,
and
there
were
all
kinds
of
reasons
why
that
might
have
been
the
right
thing
to
go
forward
with
for
diagonal
plaza..
But
in
this
code,
update
staff
have
fixed
that
and
said
that
if
there's
a
land
dedication.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
and
it
goes
through
one
site
review,.
All
of
the
amenities
have
to
be
for
all
tenants
or
all
of
the
owners,,
and
if
they
are
not
going
to
do
that,,
it
has
to
be
2,
separate,
site
reviews.
and
that's
in
item
d,.
So
I
think
that
didn't
get
talked
about
tonight.,
but
that
was
something
that
fixed
a
problem
that
we
saw..
Maybe
it's
a
very
small
problem.,
but
I
want
to
credit
staff
for
listening
and
for
and
for
resolving
that.
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Sarah
silver,
pb:
the
kind
of
places
I
grew
up
in
cleveland,
ohio.,
but
I'm
not.,
I'm
just
not
convinced
personally
that
it's
true
in
boulder,,
where
we
have
limited
land,,
but
I'm
I'm
willing
to
rot..
We
throw
the
dice,,
but
I'd
like
to
understand
it.
Insofar,,
as
if
it's
possible,
within
the
scope
of
the
next.
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Sarah
silver,
pb:
at
least,
to
try
to
keep
an
eye
on
what
the
implications
are
of
this
thing:
we're
trying
to
do
on
market,
on
the
price,,
the
price
pressure
on
market
rate,
housing
that
is,
outside
this
circle
of
middle
income
permanently
affordable,,
whatever
the
language,
we're
call,,
where
what
language
we're
gonna
use
for
it.
cause.
I
just
think
that
would
be
helpful
to
know.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
laura
does.
yes,
laura,
sorry..
I
just
want
to
really
quickly
uplift
eml's
idea,
here,.
I
think
she's
put
her
finger
on
something
very
important,,
which
is
that,
if
we're
trying
to
encourage
duplexes,
triplexes
ad
use.,
sometimes
people
have
trouble
acquiring
financing
to
do
that,
and
they
might
be
very
willing
to
put.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
another
unit
or
2
on
their
property,,
but
they
end
up
selling
to
a
developer,
who
tears
down
their
home
and
builds
the
most
profitable
thing,,
which
is
a
a
a
very
large
single
family
home..
So
I
think
ml.
is
suggesting
something
that
is
outside
the
scope
of
this
project..
But
it's
worth
thinking
about
for
future
future
projects.
Of.
is
there
a
way
for
the
city,,
either
through
inclusionary
housing
or
some
other
program
to
help
provide
financing
to
people
who
want
to
do
those
kinds
of
projects,
but
can't
get
market
rate
financing.
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Michelle
allen,
cob:,
assuming
we
do
the
next
study,
and
there's
a
a
linkage.
Fee.
you're
gonna,
be
subject
to
the
linkage
fee..
But
if
you
so,
it's
an
incentive
based
idea.,
but
if
you
actually
replaced
a
single
family
home
with
a
duplexer
trip,
triplex
or
fourplex,,
we
would
actually,
you
know,,
reduce
or
wave
the
cat,
because
you
would
pay
additional
cash
in
lou..
You
have
additional
units.
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Sarah
silver,
pb:
laura.
and
then
really,
truly,
we're
gonna
wrap
up..
I
just
wanna
say,,
really
quickly,.
We
we
talked
about
some
of
this
at
the
hab
meeting,,
where
I'm
the
liaison
and
with
the
affordability,
provisions
especially,,
and
I
think
the
thing
that
that
convinced
me
that
that's
not
a
road
to
go
down
is
that
what's
the
alternative.
and
the
alternative
is,.
If
we,
if
we
put
a
lot
of
restrictions,.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
on
the
duplexes
and
triplex
model,,
whether
it's
affordability
or
owner
occupancy,.
That
then
restrict
what
people
can
do
with
their
property,
and
how
much
profit
they
can
make
from
it..
Their
alternative
is
just
to
go
with
the
large
single
family
house
that
they
can
sell
to
anybody.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
it's
not.
and
it's
probably
not
gonna
work
out
for
us.
If
we
put
too
many
things
on
it
that
make
them
less
attractive
by
limiting
what
people
can
do
with
their
property.,
so
so
that
it's
just
something
to
consider.,
and
maybe
that's
something
that,
with
enough
brain
power,,
we
could
figure
out
how
to
square
that
circle..
But
but
that's
a
consideration..
I
also
just
sarah..
I
wanted
to
follow
up
on
what
you
were
talking
about
with
the
nexus
study
and
just
ask
a
clarifying
question..
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Sarah
silver,
pb:
more
costly.,
the
benefit
that
you
get
is
the
subsidized.
Housing
right
is
the
stuff
that
the
inclusionary
housing
pays
for,
that
is
deed,
restricted,
or
that
is
rent,
affordable,
rentals.,
but
then
everything,
that's
market
rate,.
The
price
is
going
up.
is.
Is
that
what
your
concern
is??
I
just
wanna.
I
just
want
us
to
know
what
the
implications
are..
The
same
thing
like
I
was
proposing
that
you
guys
are
nice
enough
to
put
on
the
table.
Last
week,
like
we
should
know,
like,
gather
some
data.
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lisa
smith:
triggered
a
thought
in
my
mind,
and
and
I'll
I'll,
just
echo
what
sarah
said,
that,
if
it's
possible
to
collect
the
data,
cause
often,.
If
you
build
it
into
the
design,,
it's
not
that
hard
to
pull
the
data.
But
if
you
sort
of
try
and
figure
out
later,
you
can.
ii
recommend
looking
for
that.
and
then
I
was
just
gonna
say
that
writ
large,
something
that
we
tend
to
do
in
the
city
of
boulder
and.
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Pb,
lisa
smith:
with
affordable
housing
and
address
some
of
the
things
that
haven't
been
working
as
well
as
we
wish
they
had,.
I
would
just
strongly
encourage
it
wherever
possible,,
to
do
data
gathering
and
and
kind
of
testing,,
and
to
look
at
case
studies
elsewhere,
and
data
from
other
folks,
and
just
kind
of
see.
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Mark
mcintyre,
pb:
it
made
and
you
can.
we
could
let
the
chair
know:
that,
hey?,
I'm
going
to
be
making
a
motion
after
the
main
motion,,
but
it's
separate..
It's
a
separate
motion
that
there's
nothing
that
says
we
can't
do
that,
and
provide
counsel,
and
staff,
with
a
truer
reflection
of
of
our
thoughts
about
the
the
matter
before
us.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:.
I
just
want
to
agree
and
say
that
I
would
have
been
totally
fine
with
that.
There's,
no
reason
why
these
things
had
to
be
packaged.
Together,
and
I,
in
fact,
objected
to
that
in
the
past,
of
bundling
things
together
into
one
motion,,
so
that
I
had
to
vote
against
something.
choose
whether
to
vote
against
something
I
mostly
supported,
because
I
didn't
support
the
amendment,
and
sarah
and
lisa..
I'm
sorry
that
you
were
in
that
position,,
and
so
I
appreciate
mark's
suggestion
for
how
we
can
avoid
that
in
the
future,
and
I'm
supportive.