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A
Pb
john
gerstle:
okay,
thank
you.,
all
right.,
I'm
calling
to
order
the
older
planning
board.
B
B
Pb
john
gerstle:
reading
our
rules.
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:,
thanks,,
john.
I'll.
I'll,
actually
walk
us
through
this.
um..
We
do
have
some
members
from
the
public,
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
and
walk
us
through
these
slides.
um!.
So
thank
you,
everyone
for
your
participation
today..
My
name
is
vivian
castro
wldridge.
I'm.,
the
planning
engagement
strategist
for
the
city
of
boulder.
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
um,
and
I
help
facilitate
the
public
engagement
parts
of
these
meetings..
So
as
always,
planning
board
starts
with
open
comment
from
community
members.
um,
and
so
we'll
be
talking
a
little
bit
about
what
public
participation
will
look
like
in
this
meeting.
um,,
and
I
see
there
are
no
public
hearings
on
today's
agenda.
D
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:.
We
have
a
lot
of
information
on
our
website
about
what
we
call
our
productive,
atmospheres.,
vision.,
um.
and
there's
a
number
of
rules
of
decorum
that
are
found
in
the
boulder
revised
code,,
and
we
have
some
general
guidelines
that
our
advisory
in
nature
to
share
with
all
of
our
meeting
participants
this
evening.
D
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:,
obscenities,
racial
epithets,,
another
speech
and
behavior
that
disrupts
the
meeting,
or
otherwise
makes
it
impossible
for
us
to
continue
is
prohibited,,
and
we
do
also
ask
that
participants
identify
themselves
by
the
name
they're
commonly
known
by
and
display
their
whole
name,.
So
we
can
call
on
you
properly.
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
next
slide,
please.,
cob,,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:,
so
we're
all
in
the
zoom
webinar
format..
This
means
that
participants
are
allowed
to
speak
their
testimony,,
but
we
will
not
be
turning
on
video
for
community
members
because
of
the
security
concerns
in
this
platform,.
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
and
I
wanted
to
point
out:
there's
no
pre
existing
list
for
signing
up
to
participate,
today.
um..
So
if
you're
in
the
meeting,
we'll
welcome
you
in
this
next
section
to
raise
your
hand,
um,
and
let
us
know-
and
let
the
chair
know
that
you'd
like
to
give
some
testimony
or
sorry
some
comments
um,
and
on
your
screen.
You'll
see
a
couple
of
ways
to
do.
This.
D
D
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
um,
no
interpretation
of
this
meeting
tonight.,
so
it
won't
go
over
that
um.
and
if
you
could
turn
on
the
live,
transcripts,
amanda,
that
could
be
helpful.,
um!
and
again,.
I
want
to
stress
that
the
public
participation
part
of
the
meeting
coming
up
is
a
chance
for
you
to
share
topics
outside
of
the
agenda
with
the
planning
board.
D
B
Pb
john
gerstle:
my,,
you
pb
john
gerstle:,
all
right.
pb
john
gerstle:.
So
our
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
to
deal
with
the
minutes
of
august
sixteenth,.
Our
meeting
of
august
sixteenth,.
B
B
Pb
john
gerstle:
okay.
next,.
We
move
into
our
public
participation,
section
and
uh,.
This
is
the
time
when
people
can
address
planning
board
on
any
issue.
They
wish
to
discuss.
B
B
Pb
john
gerstle:
allowed
in
the
meeting.,
and
so
now
to
let
us
know
whatever
is
on
your
mind.
and
uh,,
I'm
not
sure
who
will
be
running
this,,
whether
it's
uh,,
vivian
or
okay.
vivian:.
This
will
be
managing
the
the
like
participation,
section.
now,.
D
E
E
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:,
I
don't
see
any
hands,,
but
we'll
just
give
it
a
couple
of
seconds.
D
F
Lynn,
segal:
well,.
I
don't
know
why
people
can't
design
their
thing
with
four
feet
less
to
include
the
elevator,,
because
the
elevator
falls
in
with
everything,
and
I'm
tired,
exhausted..
I've
seen
planning
board
approve
one
after
the
next
variance
for
height,.
You
know
seven
of
them
for
three,
eleven
mapleton
on
on
on
the
will
we,
the
while
one
interface,.
You
know
this
is
what
the
planning
board
does..
This
is
the
history
of
what
the
planning
board
serves,,
how
they
serve
this
community.
F
Lynn,
segal:,
you
should
go
back
to
the
first
concept:
plan,,
the
one,
that's
legitimate.,
first
of
all,,
that
this
thing
should
never
have
happened
in
the
first,,
because
you
need
to
rezone
things
so
that
we
have
a
service
or
two
left
in
boulder..
Pretty
soon
you're
going
to
put
a
housing
in
the
grocery
stores,.
F
F
F
Lynn,
segal:
a
year
for
property
taxes,,
you
know,
and
you
think
they're
not
gonna,
pass
that
on
to
the
renters,
you
know,.
If
they
have
renters
in
their
place.,
you
think
the
property
managers
aren't
gonna,
pass
it
along..
It's
like
ali
said.,
it's
all
about
the
land
value,
as
if
boulder
didn't
know
that.
F
F
F
D
B
pb
john
gerstle:,
all
right.
pb
john
gerstle:
uh,
pb
john
gerstle:,
we'll
move
now
to
a
discussion
of
dispositions
and
call
ups.
We
have
two
or
one
item
to
deal
with
as
a
as
a
potential
call
up,,
and
that
is
a
site
review
amendment
for
an
addition
to
increase
floor
area
of
an
existing
technical
office.
Use.
B
Pb
john
gerstle:,
from
six
thousand
three
hundred
and
fifty,
one
square
feet
to
nine
thousand
three
hundred
and
fifteen
square
feet:
uh.
it.
does..
Anyone
wish
to
inquire
about
this,
or
call
up
this
matter.
G
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
but
I
I
do
have
some
questions.
um,.
G
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
the
tdm
plan
pb
mark
mcintyre:,
as
was
submitted
pb
mark
mcintyre:,
for
this
recommendation
to
approve
this?
and
if
the
applicant
wants
to.
G
G
G
C
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
thanks
for
the
question.
mark.
first,,
I
would
say
that
shavnum
based
our
case
manager
couldn't
be
here.
This
evening.
she
has
some
family
obligations,
and
we
don't
have
anyone
from
transportation,
engineering
here..
The
only
thing
I
think
I
could
say
is
that
in
looking
at
staff's
analysis,.
C
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
have
been
adopted,
you
know,
by
the
city
for
these
kinds
of
development.-
so
I
think
our
transportation
engineering
step
found
that
the
offsets
provided
by
the
tdm:.
G
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
thanks.,
so
okay.,
so
I'm
just
giving
everyone
a
warning.
here,.
I'm
just
gonna
talk
about
this
tdm
plan
using
this
project
as
an
example.,
so
the
the
applicant
again.
I'm.
I'm.
not
going
to
call
this
up,,
but
I
I
hope
that
the
applicant.
G
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
takes
this
message
back
to
the
applicants.
consultant,
lsc.
engineering,
and,
and
I
hope
that
staff-
here's
my
message,
and
I'm
only
speaking
for
myself
as
a
planning
board
number.
G
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
tonight,
and
that-
and
that
is
what
I'm
gonna
say-
is
that
the
continued
use
of
the
draft
two
thousand
and
eleven
toolkit,.
In
my
opinion,.
G
G
G
G
Pb
mark
mcintyre:.
This
is
a
plan
that
was
a
draft
in
two
thousand
and
eleven.
That
was
never
adopted..
It's
not
part
of
the
code,
and
if
you
read
the
tdm
portion
of
the
code,.
G
G
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
ordinance.
and
so.
G
G
G
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
this
be
part
of
sas
work
plan.,
it's
not
my
place
to
do
that..
I
simply
want
to
say
that
we
have
a
tdm.
code,
and
it
doesn't
include
this:
this
thing
that
keeps
being
brought
up..
What
we
have
is
a
code
that
is
two
things..
It
is
flexible.
yay,.
G
G
G
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
the
sharing
of
transportation
resources,
the
how
we
have
adopted
vision,
zero
for
the
safety
of
our
citizens
and.
G
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
make
vision.
zero
a
part
of
your
parking
lot,,
your
corner
and
so.,
and
it
stopped
using
what
is
currently
this
tool
that
is
kind
of
checking
a
box..
So
um,,
you
know
I
I.
G
G
G
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
and
that
means
more
work
for
everyone.,
and
I
think
that
the
flexibility
and
the
subjectivity
of
the
plan
can
actually
be
a
tool
in
the
favor
of
developers
and
applicants
and
staff.
G
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
present
projects
that
come
to
us
for
approval
or
for
a
call,
up,
or
lack
of
call
up,
and
to
uh,
use
your
creative
thoughts
about
your
tdm
plans.,
so
again,,
I'm
not
trying
to
rain
on
this
applicants
parade.,
I
just
using
them
as
an
example..
What
I
think
is
a
deficiency
in
our
system.
B
H
H
Pb
ml
robles:,
implying
that
there
wasn't
height,
variance
being
proposed
here
and
there
isn't.
This
building
is
all
in
compliance
with
the
regulations
for
that
zoning.
and
there
really
isn't.
H
Pb
ml
robles:
anything
that
they're
asking
for
beyond
that..
So
I
see
charles
nodding.,
that's
correct.
yes,
um..
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
point
that.
H
B
Pb
john
gerstle:
thank
you.,
I'm
all
pb
john
gerstle:
um..
I
have
a
question
of
staff..
We
dealt
with
this
land
and
project
several
weeks
ago,
when
a
a
vacation
request
was
requested
to
move
the.
B
Pb
john
gerstle:,
the
quite
the
sidewalk,
and
around
the
on
the
northwest
corner
of
the
property
um,,
which
we,
which
we
raise.
No
objection,
to.
um.
B
C
C
C
C
B
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
okay,,
all
right.
well,
thanks
very
much..
I
just
couldn't
resist
inquiring
about
that..
I
think
there's
also
some
grade
on
the
corner,
there,
john,
that
they
were
trying
to
account
for
to
in
the
new
design..
So
I
think
that
might
have
driven
some
of
their
design
decisions
as
well.
E
B
Pb
john
gerstle:,
all
right,,
seeing
it
looks
like
we
won't
be
calling
this
up,
since
no
one
has
indicated
they
see
the
need.
so
congratulations.
the
applicant
on
the
moving
moving
past
us,.
I
guess,
at
this
point.
B
Pb
john
gerstle:,
so
pb
john
gerstle:,
all
right.,
so
that
is
the
only
call
up
issue.
we're
dealing
with
tonight,.
B
Pb
john
gerstle:,
so
we'll
move
ahead
now
to
in
the
information
item..
We
have
no
public
hearing,
item
tonight,
and
so
we're
going
to
be
dealing
with
the
comprehensive
planning
of
older
junction.,
hayes,
too,
and
congratulations
to
christopher
on.
B
Pb
john
gerstle:
finally
getting
us
to
deal
with
it..
I
I
have
to
apologize
for
the
delays
that
have
taken
place
so
long.,
but
I'm
glad
we're
we're
finally
able
to
focus
on
it
now..
So
please
take
it.
Away.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
great
thanks.,
no,,
no
apologies,
necessary.
and
uh,.
I
will
do
my
very
best
to
fill
the
impressive
shoes
of
sarah.
course,,
our
principal
city
planner,,
who
is
the
project
manager
for
this
project?
um,,
but
is
unfortunately.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
office
here
this
evening,,
so
I
will
fill
in,
and
I'm.
also
joined
by
vivian
kester
wldridge,
who,,
you
know,,
who
is
serving
as
our
community
engagement
strategist
for
this
project..
So
let
me
go
ahead
and
share.
I
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,,
cob:
and
uh,
so
as
as
john
has
introduced.,
my
name
is
christopher
johnson.
I'm.,
the
comprehensive
planning
manager.
for
our
planning
and
development.
Services.
team,
and
I'm
joined
here
with
vivian
to
walk
through
the
presentation
on
the
scope
of
work
and
community
engagement
approach.
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
an
existing
plan
starting
to
move
into
implementation
of
the
second
half
of
that.
um,.
So
it's
a
little
bit
different
than,,
say
the
east
boulder
subcommunity
plan..
That
was
really
something
that
was
generated
from
scratch.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
um.,
so
this
this
project
itself
will
move
along
at
a
slightly
faster
pace,
with
a
slightly
different
community
engagement
approach
than
maybe
we've
seen.
Recently.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
um.,
but
as
as
you
probably
are
aware
of
and
understand,,
this
is
the
transit
village
area
plan.
As
an
existing
plan.
um.,
we
are
proposing
to
sort
of
shift
away
from
the
transit
village
area
plan
or
team
that
nomenclature
a
bit.
um,.
It's
it's
a
bit
of
planning,
jargon.
and
uh,.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
really,,
I
think
the
community
kristofer
johnson,
cob:
is-
is
more,.
You
know,
comfortable
or
just
understands
this
area
known
as
boulder
junction.,
so
we're
gonna,
move
towards
that
kind
of
name,
uh,
and
moving
forward..
If
we
do
use
the
the
tv
app
acronym,
or
refer
to
the
transit
village
area,
plan,
it'll
be
when
we're
referring
specifically
to
the
plan.
Itself,.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
so
we'll
cover
two
main
topics.
This
evening.
uh,
we'll
offer
some
preliminary
background
on
on
the
plan,
on
the
existing
transit
village
area
plan,
and
describe
our
preliminary
scope
of
work
and
the
implementation
of
phase
two.
and
then
we'll
also
go
through
the
initial
approach
for
the
community
engagement
for
the
project.
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
uh.
does
planning
board,
have
any
feedback
on
incorporating
additional
place,
making
detail
as
part
of
the
plan
amendment,,
which
will
explain
that
in
a
little
bit
more
detail
here,
shortly,
and
then,
finally,
any
feedback
from
you
on
the
draft
approach
for
community
engagement.
I
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
um,.
We
are
focusing
specifically
on
those
three
topics..
We
are
not
proposing
to
start
from
scratch
and
rework
the
entire
plan
or
its
goals
and
recommendations..
Those
are
all
still
very
valid,,
so
we
want
to
be
targeted
and
strategic
with
our
approach,
and
just
those
few
items.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
um..
The
second
outcome
would
be
ultimately
be
an
implementation
strategy
for
the
phase,
two
area,,
so
that'll
have
a
variety
of
components
relative
to
phasing
financing
strategies
for
the
infrastructure,
improvements
that
are
necessary,
and
also
some
regulatory
updates..
So
that
could
be.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
changes
to
the
zoning
code
that
would
apply
to
this
area.
Expansion
of
the
general
improvement
districts
that
currently
apply
in
the
phase
one
area.,
so
a
couple
of
different
regulatory
mechanisms
that
could
be
included
within
that
implementation
strategy.
I
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
um!,
just
a
quick
refresher.,
so
the
the
area
plan
itself
was
originally
adopted
in
two
thousand
and
seven
establishes
a
vision
to
really
guide
development
within
this
boulder
junction,
area.
uh,,
and
then
there
is
also
an
implementation
plan
that
was
also
adopted
in
around
that
same
time.
Two
thousand
and
seven
that
really
identifies
what
would
be
implemented,
and
by
who
and
how
and
when.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
most
of
that
implementation
plan
is
focused
on
the
phase,
one
area
and
sort
of
outlines,,
some
of
the
infrastructure
improvements
and
things
like
that.,
but
it
does
make
some
references
to
the
phase..
Two
area
includes
um,
a
couple
of
key
infrastructure
items
that
to
be
improved
as
as
part
of
this
implementation.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
so
just
to
orient,
everybody
kind
of
geographically
boulder
junction
is
generally
bound
by
down
on
the
north
foothills
parkway
on
the
east,
the
railroad
and
the
north
boulder
farmers
ditch,
on
the
south,
side,
and
just
south
of
pearl
parkway.
there
and
then
thirtieth
street
on
the
west.
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
phase
two
is
generally
everything
to
the
east.
um!
that
area
with
the
fire
station.
That's
on
the
west
side
of
thirtieth
was
actually
identified
as
phase
two
a
and
was
um..
The
land
uses
were
updated
in
the
last
boulder
valley,
comprehensive
plan.
update
back
in
two
thousand
and
twenty
one.
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
so
in
order
to
move
forward
with
phase
two,
and
really
initiate
this
project.,
the
implementation
plan
sets
forward
three
criteria:
um,,
essentially
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
demonstrate
that
the
phase
one
area
has
been
substantially
completed.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
there's
a
market
study
requirement
to
confirm
the
market,
support
and
demand
for
the
land
uses
that
are
posed
in
phase
two
and
then
um,,
and
then
a
plan
for
providing
those
major
infrastructure
improvements,
uh,
that
would
be
necessary
to
really
facilitate
redevelopment,
or
or
be,
uh,.
You
know,
occur
at
the
same
time
as
redevelopment.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
so
staff
is
already
moving
forward
in
the
process
of
completing
what
we're
calling
the
phase,
one
substantial
completion
report..
It
will
include
a
variety
of
quantitative
and
qualitative
information
about
the
development.
That's
been
completed.,
so
far.
um.,
a
few
major
takeaways
that
I
think,
are
important
to
identify
that
we're.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
part
of
the
phase.
one
work
is
that
uh,
there
was.
there
was
a
number
of
regulatory
updates
that
were
included
at
the
beginning
of
that
of
that
effort..
So
there's
been
changes
to
the
boulder
valley,
comprehensive
plan,
land
use
map.
there
was
the
creation
of
a
form
based
code
that
applies
to
the
phase
one
area.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
there
were
some
additional
code
changes
that
really
ensure
development,
doesn't
outpace
the
infrastructure
and
can,
and
making
sure
that
future
development
contributes
to
the
multimodal
transportation
goals
in
this
area..
And
then
there
were
two
general
improvement
districts
that
were
established
to
help
pay
for,
and
ultimately
manage
the
parking
structure
and.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
a
couple
of
other
things
that
come
out
of
the
ground.
Literally
within
phase.,
one
is
that,
uh,.
There
is
approximately
one
thousand
five
hundred
new
residential
units,
and
over
three
hundred
permanently
affordable
housing
units
as
part
of
phase
one,.
So
it's.
it's
about
twenty
little
bit
more
than
that.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
uh,,
there's
new
hotel,
restaurants,,
the
preservation
of
the
historic
depot
building,
a
bunch
of
pedestrian
and
bicycle
and
multimodal
improvements
through
the
street
infrastructure
and
some
additional
flood
protection
and
greenway
enhancements.
and
of
course,.
The
rtd.
regional
transit
hub,,
which
currently
is
unfortunately
very
under
utilized.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
due
to
service
cuts,,
but
we
are
very
hopeful.
and
through
conversations
with
our
tv,
it's
anticipated
that
there
will
be
some
level
of
bus
service
that
comes
back
to
that.
To
that
regional
bus,
facility.
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
uh..
It
is
on
the
identified
there
on
the
north
side
of
goose,
creek.
uh..
It
would
allow
for
proposes
to
allow
stacked,
flats
and
multi
unit
residential
buildings,.
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
um,,
the
images
you
can
see
there
on
the
right
actually
come
from
the
plan.
Itself.
so
take
those
with
a
grain
of
salt.
they're,
fifteen
years
old
uh,
and
you
know,
don't
get
too
tied
in
with
the
architecture.
uh,.
It's
just
gives
you
a
little
bit
of
a
sense
of
kind
of
the
overall
sort
of
scale
that
that
could
be
envisioned
within
that
particular
land.
Use.
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
uh.,
it
would
allow
for
light
and
service
industrial,
some
small
scale.
Technical
offices
live,
work,
units,
and
perhaps
some
residential,
that's
mixed
in
vertically
or
horizontally,
within
that
more
kind
of
industrial,
light,,
light,
industrial
and
service
type
of
use.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
uh,,
it
anticipates,,
you
know
relatively
low,
far,
and
scale
one
to
three
storey
buildings
and
parking,,
either
in
a
structured
format
or
potentially
even
service
parking
being
maintained
in
this
area.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
so
the
third
one
is
industrial
mixed
use
to
uh..
You
can
see
that
primarily..
That
is
the
large
area
south
of
pearl
parkway,,
but
it
does
extend
just
a
little
bit
up
to
the
north,
and
kind
of
adjacent
to
foothills,
and
then
a
small
portion
next
goose,
creek
and
adjacent
to
the
railroad.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
uh..
This
would
allow
for
essentially
greater
intensity
than
that.
industrial
makes
use
one
area,,
so
it
envisions
a
a
stronger
mix
of
residential
office
and
industrial
uses
could
conceivably
be
three
to
four
story
buildings
up
to
about
one
point,,
five
to
two
far
um,
and
structured
parking.
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
really
what
this
is,
anticipating
or
or
proposing,
is
an
intensification
of
what
the
existing
conditions
are
in
this
particular
area..
If
you're,
if
you're
familiar
with
it.,
it's.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
generally
sort
of
one
to
two
story,
office
and
industrial
type
of
buildings
primarily
office.
The
the
proposal
here,
in
terms
of
land
use
would
intensify
that
slightly
to
the
three
storey,
industrial
or
office
building
sort
of,,
you
know,
zero
point,
seven
to
one
f.
they
are
in
a
mix
of
structured
and
surface
parking.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
the
connections
plan
that
the
the
area
plan
also
includes
a
transportation
connections
plan.,
so
that's
obviously
directly
correlated
with
the
proposed
land
uses.
and
really
we,
you
know,
in
conversations
we've
had
internally,
and
also
with
city.
Council.-.
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
connections
plan
is
um,.
You
know,
is,.
It
remains
pretty
well
in
tax..
We
certainly
would
anticipate
as
part
of
this
project
going
to
going
to
tab,
going
to
the
transportation
advisory
board
to
get
their
feedback
on
the
connections
plan,,
and
this
will
be
part
of
our
community
engagement
as
well
to
see
if
there
are
some
minor
adjustments
that
we
might
need
to
consider
as
part
of
this
project.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
the
other
thing
that
the
area
plan
identifies
our
character
district.,
so
these
are
somewhat
analogous
to
kind
of
an
urban
design
description
of
different
neighborhoods
or
areas
within
the
overall
boundary
of
the
area
plan.
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
trying
to
general
building,
design,
placement,
orientation,
some
pedestrian
amenities
and
way
finding..
So
these
are
also
some
areas
that
we
plan
to
investigate
as
part
of
the
project,
and
I'll
touch
base
quickly
on
each
one
of
these..
So
wilderness.
place
this.
The.
I
I
I
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
but
also
there's
now,
people
that
are
actually
living
in
the
phase,
one
area
where
there
weren't
before..
So
it's
really
a
different
context
that
we're
dealing
with.,
um.
now,
here
in
two
thousand
and
twenty-two,
we're
back
in
two
thousand
and
seven,.
So
that's
partly
why?
Ultimately,
we
went
to
city
council.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
with
two
different
options
back
a
couple
of
months
ago.,
so
we
first
presented
two
options
that
were
essentially
one
option
was
to
just
move
forward
with
the
plan
as
it
is,
and
implement
it
as
as
it
stands,
today.
the
section,.
The
second
option
proposed
a
slightly
longer
and
expanded
scope.
I
I
I
I
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
so
we
are
moving
forward
with
the
project
scope,
the
schedule,
developing
a
budget
and
a
scope
for
that
market.
Study
that'll
be
required
as
one
of
the
really
early
tasks
moving
forward.
uh,,
and
then
we
move
into
task
one.
so,,
as
I
mentioned,.
We
hope
to
really
get
this
moving.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
uh,,
actually
starting
to
move
already.
uh,
here
through
quarter,,
for
which
is
the
background
inventory
in
the
phase.
One
report
that
I
mentioned.,
so
we
have
already
started
work
on
that,,
but
then
formally
would
would
kick
off
some
of
the
more
community
engagement
and
outreach
activities
in
quarter..
One
of
next
year.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
the
you
know,.
They
think
the
key
area
here,
the
key
component
of
task.
One
is
really
to
analyze
some
of
those
outcomes
of
phase
one
talk
to
people
that
are
that
are
living
there
and
really
understand.
um,.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
you
know
how
that
is
working
for
people
that
are
living
there.
Now,,
also
understanding
that
it
is,.
It
is
still
a
construction
site.,
there's
still
a
tremendous
amount
of
construction
activity,,
so
it
it
is
not
a
fully
complete
place
yet.,
and
so
we
have
to,.
You
know.
make
sure
that
we.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
task.,
two,
then,
is
is
really
where
we
get
into
the
analysis
of
the
of
the
plan,
and,
uh,,
where
some
changes
might
actually
occur..
So
this
is
our
needs,
assessment,
alternatives,
and
preferred
approach.
Tasks.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
so
this
is
when
we
will
be
reaching
out
to
the
community
and
gathering
a
lot
of
information,
and
also
meeting
with,
yourselves
and
other
boards
to
really
explore
some
potential
changes
to
to
the
plan
itself..
So
we
will
develop
alternatives
to
those
land
uses
that
are
currently
proposed.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
look
at
a
evaluating
those,
and
ultimately
come
up
with
a
preferred
approach
for
those
for
those
land,
uses,
and
uh,
potentially,,
the
the
transportation
connections
and
the
urban
design
and
place
making
aspects.
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
task.
three,
then,
would
uh,,
which
we
hope
to
initiate
by
the
sort
of
end
of
end
of
summer,
moving
into
the
fall
of
of
next
year,,
which
would
be
the
plan
amendment
itself..
So
we
would
move
forward
with
the
plan.
Amendment
adoption
process,.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
and
we
hope
to
include
the
uh,
comprehensive
plan.
land
use
map
updates
as
part
of
that
process,,
so
really
bring
those
two
things
together
as
a
package
through
planning,
board,
and
ultimately,
city
council,,.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
which
would
then
allow
us
to
move
into
task
four.
and
there's
a
little
bit
of
overlap
here
when
we
have
a
good
sense
of
a
preferred
alternative
where
we
can
really
move
into
the
implementation
steps..
So
developing
an
implementation
strategy
that
really
looks
at
the
infrastructure
needs
the
financing
requirements,.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
and
then
moving
very
quickly
into
a
task
five,,
which
is
the
regulatory
implementation..
So
I've
mentioned
uh,.
We
don't
know
exactly
what
that
looks
like
yet,,
but
it
could
involve
some
zoning
code
updates,.
Perhaps
expansion
of
the
form
based
code,
expansion
of
the
general
improvement
district.
there's
a
number
of
things
that
we
will
be.
D
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
evaluating
and
hopefully
implementing
by
early
of
two
thousand
and
twenty
four.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
so
finally,,
just
in
summary.,
you
know,.
We
anticipate
the
full
scope
of
the
project
to
be
about.
Eighteen
to
twenty-one
months,
there's
a
number
of
staff
members
that
have
been
identified
that
are
part
of
it,
part
of
the
project,
moving
forward
and
then
engaging
other
departments
as
needed.
I
I
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
oh,,
sometimes
just
putting
this
down,
doesn't
seem
to
work.
um,
great.
okay..
So
I'll
now
walk
you
through
how
our
approach
to
community
engagement
aligns
with
each
project
task
to
ensure
the
project
team
receives
the
information
that
it
needs
from
an
engagement
at
the
right
time
in
the
process,.
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
and
that
the
engagement
is
really
focused.
um!.
The
engagement
plan
we
shared
with
you
in
the
memo,
spells
out
in
more
detail
all
of
the
different
tools
that
we
envisage
using
to
support
each
task.
uh,
and
thank
you,
laura,
for
already
sharing
some
comments
with
us
by
email..
D
D
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
and
we'll
seek
their
advice
on
this
engagement
approach
and
discuss
the
issues
likely
to
be
of
interest,
or
have
an
impact
on
people
of
color
and
low-income
members
of
our
community..
D
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:,
so
that
we
make
sure
we
build
on
those
lived
experiences
to
date,
and
the
lessons
shared
with
us
by
a
diversity
of
people,,
including
city,
staff,,
knowledgeable
about
the
implementation
struggles
and
and
successes.
uh,.
We'll
use
the
information
gathered
during
task
one
to
further
strengthen
and
elaborate
the
racial
equity
instrument,
as
well.
D
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:,
and
by
this
phase
we
should
have
on
board
project
specific
community
connectors
who
will
support
the
project
until
it's
end
with
advice,
intentional
outreach
to
underrepresented
communities
and
co-design
and
co
facilitation
of
of
some
meetings.
D
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:.
Here
we
propose
to
move
into
a
deeper
level
of
engagement
than
for
the
previous
tasks,,
as
we
expect
to
have
more
detailed
conversations
on
preferred
approaches
for
the
plan.
Amendment.,
um,
and
we'll
do
this
through
focus
groups
with
the
stakeholders
most
likely
to
face
direct
or
significant
impacts.
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
our
engagement
focus
for
for
task.,
two
includes:
first,
seeking
input
on
potential
amendments,.
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
second,
discussing
and
understanding
the
impacts
of
different
scenarios
for
these
plan
amendments
and
third,
working
through
constituent,
specific
focus
groups..
I
mentioned
that
we'll
we'll
set
up
to
identify,.
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
preferred
recommendations,
and
then
subsequent,
subsequently
seek
feedback
from
the
broader
community
and
and
yourselves
the
board
and
council
on
these
refined
options
and
recommendations.
next
slide,
please.
D
D
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
focus
groups
are
slightly
different
than
a
working
group.-
so
they're
they're
both
designed
to
have
conversations.
In
a
smaller
group.-
um,-
but
working
groups
like
you
may
be
familiar
for
east
boulder,
for
example,
typically
have
representation
of
different
interests.
um.
and
are
really
useful
for
that
kind
of.
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
area
sub
community
plan.
um,
and
we're
not
going,
taking
that
approach
for
this
plan.
implementation,
um..
So
we're
proposing
to
use
focus
groups
to
really
focus
the
conversations
on
the
issues
to
be
most
relevant.
or
of
interest
to
each
constituent
type
that
we're
targeting..
So
we
can
really
have
in
depth.
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
conversations.
and
some
discussions
might
need
to
be
more
technical
in
nature
than
others.
um!
and
then
the
project
team,,
including
myself,,
will
process
that
feedback
from
different
groups.
um.
and
you
know,.
If
there's
any
major
points
of
tension.,
we
can
go
back
to
the
focus.
groups,
if
needed,
might
be
iterative,
process.
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:,
um.
and
we'll
also
be
when
seeking
feedback
from
the
broader
community..
Through
the
larger
meetings,
we
will
aim
to
be
transparent
and
sharing
the
feedback
that
we've
received
from
focus
groups
and
and
other
tools,,
and
sharing
how
it's
shaping
the
project.
Team's.
recommendations.
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
um.,
so
our
proposals
to
have
a
focus
group
with
people,
living,,
working
and
commuting
to
or
from
boulder
junction.
a
second
group
comprised
of
property
and
business
owners;
third
group
with
advocacy
groups,
and
a
fourth
group
with
developers
and
design
professionals,
such
as
architects,
engineers,,.
D
D
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
next
slide,
cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
for
the
final
task
of
regulatory
implementation..
The
communication
here
focuses
on
informing
the
public
of
the
zoning
changes
and
code
updates
and
circling
back
or
closing
the
loop
to
share
how
the
input
received
by
all
stakeholders
has
shaped.
The
outcomes.
D
D
D
D
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
sorry
about
that.,
kristofer,
johnson,
cob:
thank
you.,
vivian.
um.,
so
just
to
close
things
out
really
is
in
terms
of
next
steps..
So
you
are
aware.
um,.
We
are
here
to
get
your
feedback,
this
evening,,
and
then
we
will
make,
you
know,
final
refinements
to
the
scope
of
work
and
the
engagement
approach
based
on
your
feedback.
I
I
B
B
Pb
john
gerstle:,
I
appreciate
it.
then.,
okay,
I'll,
open
it
up
to
planning
board
members
to
to
try
and
be
as
responsive
and
thoughtful
as
possible.
B
B
Pb,
john
gerstle:,
I
think
it
would
be
useful
if
you
spoke
about
them
in
in
this
situation,
also,,
so
that
the
rest
of
us
are
fully,.
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
uh,
happy
to
do
that..
Let
me
let
me
pull
those
up,,
so
I
I
um.
I
bugged
staff
about
this
project
twice..
First,
I
sent
some
general
feedback
on
at
around
the
time
of
our
november
first,,
the
first
time
that
we
had
this
item
in
our
packet,,
even
though
we
did
not
end
up
talking
about
it
at
that
meeting,.
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
and
then
I
sent
a
couple
of
questions.
I
think,
early
this
morning
that
came
up
upon
reread,,
so
I
don't
want
to
monopolize
the
air..
So
why
don't
I
go
into
my
email
and
pull
up
those
two
sets
of
comments,
and
we
can
circle
back
to
me.
J
J
B
G
G
G
I
I
I
I
G
G
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
th:,
that's
correct?,
so
we
we
initially
went
to
city
council
on
september,
twenty
second,
I
believe.
um,
with
really
just
that
fundamental
question
of.
Do
we
proceed
with
the
plan
as
written?
or
do
we
crack
it
open
and
make
a
few
adjustments
based
on
you
know
the
the
context
of
what
we're
working
with
today.
I
I
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
um!
was
that?
uh,,
you
know.
there,,
there's
an
interest,
obviously
to
to
get
something:
concrete,
uh,,
you
know,,
finished
next
year.
during
that
during
the
council
session,,
while
they're
still
in
their
seats.,
and
so
we
had
made
some
adjustments
to.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
really
move
forward
and
bring
forward
that
plan.
amendment
process.
um..
We
had
originally
kind
of
proposed
to
do
some
of
the
the
planning
work
and
the
implementation
work
kind
of
together.
uh,
and
ultimately,
it
made
more
sense.
the
front
load.
The
the
plan
amendment
really
lock
that
down
and
understand
where
we're
headed.
G
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
I
think
that's
right.,
you
know..
We
haven't
gotten
into
a
lot
of
detail
with
our
transportation
colleagues,
yet,
and
and
ultimately
that
will
be
part
of
that
implementation
strategy
task,
which
is
task
for
where
we'll
be
working
interdepartmentally,
to
understand
what
you
know,,
what
are
they
gonna
be?
the
needs
from
storm
waters,
perspective
from
transportation,
perspective.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
um!,
and
where
can
we
make
some?
some
tweaks
and
adjustments?
um,?
You
know
it's
to
your
point.,
the
tdm
measures
that
were
implemented
back
in
the,,
you
know,
late,
two
thousand
and
ten,,
or
the
early
two
thousand
and
ten..
I
guess.
that
you
know
they
were
innovative
for
the
time.,
but
here
we
are
again
fifteen
years
beyond
what
what
those
were
originally
stated
to
be..
So
there's.,
there's,
probably
some
adjustments
that
we
want
to
make.
G
J
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
um!
does
planning
board,
have
any
feedback
on
the
draft
scope
of
work?.
I
said
that
I
think
the
scope
is
appropriate,,
especially
given
that
there
have
been
some
significant
changes
in
expectations
around
transit
in
this
area,,
and
I
really
like
the
fact
that
there's
an
effort
to
go
back
and
look
at
phase
one
of
the
boulder
junction
area
plan
and
learn
lessons
from
that
and
do
a
market
study
and
potentially
readjust,,
because
what
you
know
what
we
thought
was
going
to
happen.
Fifteen
years
ago,,
it
might
look
a
little
different.
J
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
um!
the
question
about
incorporating
additional
place,
making
detail
as
part
of
a
plan
amendment
I'm.
generally
for
it..
I
think
it's
a
good
idea..
I
like
the
idea
of
having
different,
like
many
neighborhoods
with
different
fields.
um!,
but
you
know..
I
think
it
was
pretty
evident.
J
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:,
they
seemed
pretty
similar,
right,
like
it
wasn't
like
wilderness
place.
Has
this
character,
and
old
pearl?
Has
this
character.
um!?
It
was
more
like
well
when
you're
next
to
foothills
the
buildings
can
be
taller,
and
if
you're
near
a
creek
or
a
ditch,,
face
it's.,
but
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
distinguishing
character
for
the
district,.
So
I
think
that
that
is
a
good
idea,.
J
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:,
um!
and
then
the
third
question
about
community
engagement..
This
is
where
I'm
just
like
overflowing
with
love
for
the
plan.
um,,
as
it
is
written,,
because
that
you
know
this
is
kind
of
my
uh,
near
and
dear
to
my
heart
and
soul.
um!.
There
are
a
lot
of
really
good
best
practices
that
are
embodied
in
the
community
engagement,
plan.
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:.
I
do
think
that
staff
are
very
thoughtful
about
tailoring
the
level
and
type
of
engagement,
the
different
phases,,
and
I
thought
that
they
were
appropriate
each
step
of
the
way..
So
you
don't
need
to
do
full
bore
collaborative
engagement.
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
for
every
step
of
the
process..
Sometimes
the
goal
is
to
inform
people
and
make
sure
that
they
have
opportunities
to
participate
at
council
and
at
planning
board
and
that
sort
of
thing.
um!.
So
I
thought
that
that
was
very
thoughtfully.
Phased.
really,
really
love
the
use
of
the
racial
equity
instrument.
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:.
I
think
this
is,,
I
think,.
I
heard
from
staff
that
this
is
the
first
time
that
planning
and
development
services
has
really
applied
the
racial
equity
instrument,,
especially
to
a
project
of
this
scale.
um,.
So
that's
going
to
be
innovative
and
pioneering,,
and
I
can't
wait
to
see
and
um,
and
talk
about
it
as
as
that
evolves.
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:,
I
mean,
this
is
really
great
stuff
to
say
we
had
a
goal,
and
one
of
our
goals
was
to
serve
a
certain
population..
How
did
we
do??
Let's
look
back
and
let's
really
be
honest
about
that,
and
learn
from
it
and
try
to
replicate
our
successes,
and
maybe
do
even
better
in
phase
two.,
so
wonderful,
stuff.
J
Pb
laura
kaplan:.
I
love
the
use
of
community
connectors
for
east
boulder,,
the
having
our
two
community
connectors,
anna
and
letti,
at
the
table
throughout
the
process.
One
hundred
and
fifty.
J
J
J
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:.
I
love
the
use
of
the
focus
groups,
and
we
got
more
detail
about
that.
Tonight..
That
sounds
like
a
wonderful
plan.
in
addition
to
the
open,
houses,,
the
community
meetings
to
be
heard.
boulder,
like
you're,
just
you're,
hitting
all
the
right
notes.
you're
using
all
the
right
tools.
different
people
want
to
participate
in
different
ways,,
and
I
really
love
that
we're
providing
all
those
opportunities
in
a
way
that
is
also
practical,
and
allows
staff
to
get
their
work.
Done.
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
um,
love
that
you're
really
defining
the
decision,
space
and
setting
clear
expectations
around..
These
are
the
things
that
are
up
for
change.:
we're,
not
reopening
everything
around
the
goals
and
the
vision
of
the
plan.
necessarily..
It's
like.
We
really
want
to
look
at
land
use..
We
really
want
to
look
at.
J
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
um!
and
I
had
asked
the
question
about
how
underrepresented
groups
were
being
defined
for
the
project.,
and
it
is
those
those
groups
that
vivian
mentioned,
and
talking
about
the
advocacy
groups
like
youth
and
seniors
and
underrepresented,
minorities,,
low
income.
Things
like
that.,
so.
J
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:,
so
I'
I've
been
talking
too
much,,
but
a
lot.
A
lot
of
praise
for
this
communications
and
engagement,
plan.
A
Pb,
lisa
smith:
speak
for
too
long.
just
because
I
think
we've
heard
wonderful
things
from
other
planning
board.
Members.
um,.
I
think
overall,
the
drop
scope
of
work
is
really
appropriate.
um,.
I
appreciate
the
questions
that
staff
has
obviously
carefully
considered
and
already
brought
before
council
in
terms
of.
A
Pb,
lisa
smith:
how
to
scope,
it,
and
thinking
about
um,
how
the
first
space
was
developed,
and
what's
working,
and
what's
not,
and
what
conditions
have
changed,
and
so
on..
So
overall
scope
of
work
looks
great.,
obviously,
it'll
be
more
refined
over
time,.
But
that's
what
it's
designed
to
do
is
get
narrower
as
we
go.
A
Pb,
lisa
smith:
place
making
detail..
I
think
that's
a
really
smart
thing
to
call
out,,
because
I
think
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
kind
of
tried
to
do
with
the
first
area.
and
obviously
was
not
having
the
train
that
didn't
help.
but
um,
yeah,.
It
doesn't
quite
have
the
sense
of
place
that
you
might
wish
for.
when
you
think
about
the
main,
plaza
and.
A
A
A
Pb,
lisa
smith:
um.
and
then
finally,
yeah,
um..
I
think
the
level
of
community
engagement
is
both
robust
and
wonderful
and
appropriate.
Given
the
scale
of
this.
A
Pb,
lisa
smith:
at
this
area,
and
then
what
other
thing
that.,
I'm
sure
you're
thinking
about,
but
I'll
I'll
just
bring
it
forward
because
I'm
I'm
sure
staff
on
it..
I'm
here.
Council.
think
about
it..
I'm
thinking
about
it.
um,,
it's
just
to
understand.
What's
happening
with
industrial
writ.,
large.
um,,
you
know
that,,
and
I
know
that
that's
something
planning
is
is
digging
into
across
east
boulder
and
across
boulder.
A
A
H
H
Pb
ml
robles:,
pb
ml
robles:
dream
dream
at
this
point.
for
the
site,.
H
H
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
you
know
I
I
don't
have
a
crystal
ball,,
but
I
do
think
that
there
is
a
fair
amount
of
optimism
that
certainly
the
regional
bus
service
will
return.
in
some
form.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
uh,.
I
know
our
td
already
has
it
on
their
on
their
plan..
It's
basically,
a
it's
a
ridership
question
and
a
and
a
staffing
question
for
them
to
get
enough
drivers
to
be
able
to
bring
those
bring
a
few
of
those
regional
lines
back
into
the.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
back
into
the
transit
center.
um,,
currently
rtd.
is
also
exploring
something
called
a
peak
service,,
a
rail
study
where
essentially,
they
are
looking
at
the
feasibility
of
running
three
trains
in
the
morning,
uh,
from
one
to
denver
and
three
trains
in
the
afternoon.
The
opposite,
direction,.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
and
this
would
be
one
of
the
stops
as
part
of
that
project.,
so
our
staff
and
transportation
community
vitality
are
all
part
of
that
sort
of
the
working
group
with
our
td.
with
their
consultants
and
a
number
of
other
municipalities
sort
of
along
the
line
to
explore.
That.
I
I
I
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
so
you
know
again,.
I
think
that's
gonna
evolve
over
the
next,.
You
know,
twelve
eighteen
months
as
we
move
through
this
process,,
but
most
certainly
will
be
engaging
with
our
tv
as
part
of
as
part
of
this
project.
um.,
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
latest
and
greatest
information
that
that
we
can
include
in
in
the
process,
and
communicate
that
to
folks.
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
Pb
ml
robles:
that
pb
ml
robles:
intentionally
pb
ml
robles:,
pb
ml
robles:
intentionally
account.
I
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
kristofer
johnson,
cob:
could
address
that,,
at
least
on
the
smaller
scale,
within
this
particular
area.
so,.
Looking
at
urban
heat
on
an
effect,
and
tree
canopy
and
other
kinds
of
things,
more
sort
of
natural
climate,
systems.
I
I
H
H
Pb
ml
robles:
ability
to
manage
storm
water
on
site.
All
of
these.
H
Pb
ml
robles:
phenomenon
that
you
know
show
up
in,
you
know,
green
building
rating
systems
and
all..
Then
there's
as
you
started
to
miss
the
landscape,
ones.
um!,
the
transportation
once
the
road
was
all
of
these
have.
H
Pb
ml
robles:
might
be,
who
was
to
take
the
fact
that
we
can
create
a
land
like
the.
H
Pb
ml
robles:
equity,
lens
pb
ml
robles:
that
you're
applying,
pb
ml
robles:
and
do
one
for
the
environment,
so
that
it
is
holistic.,
it
isn't
separated
out..
But
it's.
H
H
H
Pb
ml
robles:,
the
change.,
which
means
that
there's
gonna
be
deconstruction.,
there's
going
to
be
removal
of
exist..
How
is
that
actually
going
to
be
deconstructed
and
be
a
positive
thing,,
something
that
can
go
toward
reaching
environmental
goals
rather
than
just
get
rid
of
all
this
old
stuff.
H
H
H
H
H
Pb
ml
robles:,
seeing
where
the
disconnects
might
have
happened
or
not
happen,
and
didn't
hit
the
goal
or
not
here
to
go.
all
that..
I
think
that
that
is
just
obviously
a
brilliant
way
to
to
move
forward.
H
H
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
that
you
know,
there
are
certain
aspects
of
the
process
that
we
we
just,.
We
won't
get
to
a
certain
level
of
detail,
or
we
won't.
be
addressing
through
the
project.,
so
you
know,,
oftentimes,
community
members
or
others,.
You
know,
are
interested
in
diving
into
the
detailed
design
of
a
project,,
but
that
that's
just
not
within
the
scope
of
the
project..
That's
all
we
were
trying
to,,
you
know.
define
there.
H
Pb
ml
robles:,
okay,
perfect.,
I
was
gonna
say,.
Isn't
this
a
big
planning
prospect??
So
I
agree
they
are
out
of
the
scope
and
this.
keep
them
out
of
the
scope
because
they
shouldn't
be
in
in
the
scope
of
this
so
perfect,,
I'm
I'm
good
with
the
key
issues,
and
I
think
that
you're
on
a
I
I
I
love.
H
Pb
ml
robles:
that
you're
moving
forward
with
all
the
knowledge
that
you
that
you've
gained
on
part
one
question
number
two,
the
place
making
details.
H
H
H
H
H
H
Pb
ml
robles:,
I
think
that
will
add
immense
value
to
pb
ml
robles:
to
the
pb
ml
robles:
to
the
plan.
pb
ml
robles:,
and
I
love
that.
you're
thinking
about
that.
that
where
are
we?,
where
is
this
place?
and
how
do
we
actually.
H
H
H
Pb
ml
robles:.
So
that's
my
comment
on
number
two
and
number
three..
I
don't
think
anybody
could
say
it
better
than
more..
I
mean
the
enthusiasm
about.
H
H
Pb
ml
robles:
development.-
and
I
think
that
going
going
into
as
many
communities
as
you've
identified
that
you
will
be
going
into
and
with
the.
H
Pb
ml
robles:
intent,
pb
ml
robles:
that
you
really
want
to
listen
and
and
say,
well,.
What
are
we
seeing??
What
are
we
missing?
um,?
What
didn't
happen?
all
of
these
things,
I
think,
are
just
are
just
brilliant.,
so
I
I
do
applaud.
H
Pb
ml
robles:,
the
um,
pb
ml
robles:,
the
number
three
how
you
gonna
approach
the
community.,
both
the
community-
that
is
already
there,.
H
H
Pb
ml
robles:
the
things
that
the
planning
department
values
that
you
know
the
community
matters.
H
B
Pb
john
gerstle:
all
right..
I
I'm
sure
that
others
have
additional
comments,
too..
I
have
a
just
a
couple
of
thoughts,
couple
of
them
dealing
with
a
substance
and
and
some
of
them
dealing
with
the
process.,
and
I
understand
that
we're
at
this
early
stage,,
where
process.
B
Pb
john
gerstle:
may
lead
to
the
changes
in
substance.,
but
just
in
looking
at
the
at
the
material
that's
been
presented
so
far,
and
and
your
comments
about
that,
your.
B
B
B
B
Pb
john
gerstle:
there'll
be
additional
focus
on
that.
and
the
second
substance
aspect
pertains
to
the
the
service
level
for
various
cultural
and
social
needs..
That,
uh,,
one
one
should
expect
in,,
particularly
in
residential
areas,,.
B
Pb
john
gerstle:,
and
you
know
that
there's
a
proposal
for
a
dinky,
little
green
area,
and
then
possibly
improving
along
improving
the
conditions
along
the
the
irrigation.
Ditch
that
goes
through
there,
and
both
of
those
are.
B
Pb
john
gerstle:
are
very
scanty,
and
it's
several
blocks
to
the
nearest
additional
parks
or
cultural
facilities
in
that
area.,
and
so
I
think
that
there
needs
to
be
explicit
attention
paid
to.
B
B
Pb
john
gerstle:
uh,
I.
as
as
laura
mentioned,,
we
we
both
were
participated
quite
actively
in
the
east,
boulder
planning,
effort,
subcommittee,
planning,
effort.
and
I
think
there,,
there's
a
lot
to
learn..
B
B
B
B
Pb
john
gerstle:
and
so
pb
john
gerstle:
they'll
certainly
show
up
and
participate
because
they
have
a
financial
stake
in
in
the
outcome..
But
how
we,?
How
we
get
the
additional
parties
involved
that
we
want
to
be
involved
is,
is
a
challenge,,
and
I
I
think
what
vivian
has
laid
out
is
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
B
B
Pb
john
gerstle:,
that's
particularly
important,,
because
there's
so
few
residents,
and
in
this
area,,
and
so
much
of
it,
is
owned
by
commercial
interests.
that
that
it
seems
to
me
the
interests
of
the
city
at
large
need
to
be.
B
B
J
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
uh,,
you
know,
vivian,.
If
you've
got
any
response,,
I
guess
specifically
to
the
the
question,
or
of
how
we
engage
the
community
at
large.
um,.
You
know
that
that
portion
of
the
engagement
approach
may
not
have
been
as
as
clear,
or,
you
know,
explicit..
So
maybe,
if
you
can
touch
base
on
that.
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
yeah,
sure.,
and
it's
something
we
did
think
about
as
well,,
because
people
don't
don't
live,
there.
um.,
and
so
I
think
you
know,.
We've
thought
a
lot
about
like
how
to
make
it
convenient
for
the
focus
groups.
D
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
for
under
represented
communities,,
you
know,.
We
we
at
the
moment
we
don't
have
a
specific
like
spanish
speaking
group,,
but
we
might
do
that
and
kind
of
try
to
provide
some
incentive,
some
food,
or
go
out
to
the
community
to
make
it
very
easy
for
people
to
participate.
and.
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:,
um.
and
then
in
and
also
we
have
an
advocacy
group.
As
a
focus
group.-
so
these
are
members
of
the
community
who,-
I
would
consider
part
of
the
broader
community
who
are
pretty
active.
um!
and
up
to
date
on
what's
happening,,
who
would
be
very
like,
very
much
encouraged
to
join
the
advocacy
focus
group.
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
from
like
you,
know,
the
transportation,,
mobility,
kind
of
interest,
and
people
living
with
disabilities
and
equity
agendas.,
and
so
I
hope
through
there
we
can
get
some
good
participation,.
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
and
then
we
will
also,
at
a
couple
of
different
milestones,,
have
community-wide
questionnaires
through
be
heard
boulder.,
so
we
won't
use
that
tons,,
but
we'll
use
it
strategically,
and
we'll
also
have
um.
a
couple
of.
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:,
broader
community
community
meetings,
where
we're
providing
updates,
sharing
where
we're
at
sharing
the
feedback.
we've
received
and
early
recommendations
and
sort
of
next
steps,.
D
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
um,.
I
do
have
a
few
additional
questions..
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
on
that
point
one
thing
that
east
boulder
some
community
group
did
to
try
to
get
at..
You
know
the
the
people
who
don't
live
in
the
area,
but
might
want
to,
or
the
people
who
don't
currently.
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
go
to
shops
and
restaurants
in
the
area,,
but
might
want
to
is
that
they
surveyed
some
of
the
people
who
are
employed
in
that
area,
thinking
that
that
might
be
a
kind
of
a
reservoir
of
of
pent
up
demand
for
people
who
might
want
to
live
in
the
area
or
shop
in
the
area,
or
go
to
the
additional
restaurants
or
bars
or
evening.
Entertainment.
J
J
J
J
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
so
a
stat,,
you
know.,
I
guess
the
way
I
would
interpret
that
is,
you
know,,
a
stack
flat
is
essentially,.
I
think,
what
we
would
consider
and
and
know
as
a
multi
unit,
apartment
or
kind
of
medium
building,
where
you've
got
vertically
stacked
units,
whether
they
be
for
rent
or
for
sale.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
a
loss
might
be
some,,
you
know,
some
kind
of
a
of
a
mixed
use,
building
that
might
have
commercial
or
industrial
on
the
first
floor,
and
a
residential
unit
or
residential
use
up
above.
I
I
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
uh,,
you
know,
formal
sort
of
consistent
application
of
those
terms
or
definitions
within
our
within
our
city.
um.
lexicon.
B
B
J
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan::
can
you
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
if
I'm.
understanding,
correctly,
form
based
code
was
developed
for
the
phase
one.,
and
is
that
also
going
to
be
just
sort
of
straight
applied
to
phase
two,
or
that's
part
of
what
you're
examining
is
whether
there
should
be
changes
to
that
for
phase
two
or
like.
how?.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
yeah,,
that's
great.
um.,
so
you're
you're
correct.
that
yeah,
the
form,
base
code
as
it
exists.
Today.
was
developed,
for,
and
then
applied
to
that
phase..
One
area.
um,,
there's
also
some
form
base
code.
That
applies
to
the
alpine
balson
location
as
well.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
um,
that
is,
separate
from
from
this.,
but
our
you
know
we.
We
certainly
anticipate
that
there
there
could
be
an
application
of
form
based
code
to
the
phase
two
area
where
it's
appropriate.,
um.
again,.
We
don't
want
to
reinvent
the
wheel..
So
if
there
are.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
categories
and
building
types
and
that
type
of
thing
that
would
be
applicable
to
similar
land
uses
over
in
the
phase
two
area
we
would,,
we
would
look
at
applying
those.,
but
we
also
again,.
You
know
we're
we're
ten,
fifteen
years
on
from
that
four
base,
code.
and
so.
um!.
There
is
an
interest
in
evaluating
again..
What's
you
know,
what's
been
working?,
what
hasn't
been??
Are
there
some
strategic
modifications
that
we
can
make?.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
so
that
it
works
a
little
bit
better
is
more
efficient.
uh,
you
know,
from
a
staff
perspective
from
an
architecture,
perspective.
um,
and
make
those
make
those
adjustments.
um,.
If
we
were
to
a
quiet
to
portions
of
phase
two,
and
it's
it's
also
possible
that,.
I
I
J
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
again,,
without
having
the
benefit
of
history,.
I
think
that
the
intention
of
those
those
urban
character
districts
within
within
the
trans
village
area
plan
and
how
they're
applied.
um,,
I
think
the
intention
was
that
there
would
be
a
sort
of
recognizable
theme
or
character
of
each
of
those
areas,
and.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
conceivably,
you
could
kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
potentially
try
to
to
work
that
into
the
form
based
code..
The
form
base.
Code,,
I
will
say,,
is-
is
more
probably
more
relevant
to
the
overall
sort
of
size
and
scale
and
organization
of
structures
within
the
area,,
perhaps
less
so
on.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
is
um.
kristofer
johnson,
cob:.
If,
if
we
were
to
apply
the
form
based
code,,
we
would.
We
would
certainly
utilize
that
to
to
manage
the
overall
intensity
and
height
to
buildings
and
that
type
of
thing.
I
J
J
Pb
laura
kaplan:
plan,,
but
that
intrigues
me,
and
kind
of
excites
me
to
think
of
that..
There
might
be
like
a
theme
to
the
kind
of
public
art
that
relates
to
the
history
of
the
place,
as
ml.
was
talking,
about.
um,,
just
just
a
thought.
J
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
I'll
just
try
to
plow
through
these
um.,
so
I
have
a
couple
that
might
relate
to
the
market
study,
or
might
relate
to
the
community
outreach
or
both.
um,.
You
know,
in
the
the
transit
village
area
plan
document
that
was
written
fifteen
years
ago..
It
talks
about
how.
J
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
the
types
of
households
that
tend
to
seek
out
transit,
oriented
development,
singles,
couples
without
children.,
the
elderly
and
low
income.
Minority
households
are
also
the
types
of
households
that
are
projected
to
grow
the
most
in
the
denver
region
in
the
next
twenty
five
years.,
so
kind
of.
If
I'm
reading
that
correctly
projecting
a
growth
in
the
populations
or
in
the
demands
of
for
trans
transit,
oriented.
Development.-
and
I
guess
I'm
wondering
whether
do
we
have
more
data
on
whether
that
prediction
that
prediction
has
come
true.
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
um,
you
know.
are:
are
you
seeing
a
rise
in
demand
for
transit,
oriented
development??
I
hope
so.,
but
I'm
wondering
if
we
have
more
data
about
it,
and
if
we
don't
have
more
data
about
it,
we'll,.
We
plan
to
get
some
through
this
process
in
some
way,,
either
through
the
market
study
or
through
the
community.
outreach.
J
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
and
pb
laura
kaplan:,
you
know,,
a
major
takeaway,
for
some
folks
was
people
would
move
here,,
but
they
really
prefer
houses
with
yards,,
not
stacked
flats
and
live
work
units
and
things
like
that..
And
I
I'm
wondering
if
there's
any
thought
to
trying
to
update
that
or
get
more
data,,
either
through
the
market
study
or
through
the
community.
outreach
in
this
process,,
because
that
seems
like
a
big
question,
right?
I
kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
so
I
think
we'll.,
we'll
probably
attempt
to
answer
that
question
in
a
couple
of
different
ways..
I
mean
part
of
part
of
the
engagement
and
approach,
is
to
really
try
to
speak
to
the
folks
that
are
that
are
now
living
in
phase
one
area
and
and
get
a
sense
of
the
you
know
the
households
that
are
there.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
um!
why,
they're
there,.
What
through
them
to
that
place,?
You
know
it
could
be
portability..
It
could
be
a
number
of
different,
reasons.
um!,
so
try
to
get
to,.
You
know
some
more.
You
know
I'd,
say:
anecdotal
information
from
that
perspective.
um,,
the
market
study,
you
know,,
because
that
is
required
to
ultimately.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
prove
out
that
you
know
the
demand
for
the
proposed
land
uses..
I
do
think
that
there's
an
opportunity
to
dig
into
those
questions
a
bit
and
understand:
what's
you
know,,
what's
driving
that
demand,
and
what
household
types
is
driving
that
demand.?
So
if
we
come
back
with
um,.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
you
know,
in
this
particular
area,,
we'll
want
to
dig
into
that
a
little
bit.
understand..
You
know
what
types
of
residential
and
why
is
it
that
you
know
there
might
be
high
demand
opportunities
in
this
area?
um,?
As
far
as
the
the
housing
survey
that
you
reference
from
two
thousand
and
fourteen,.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
you
know
I'll
have
to
circle
back
with
housing
and
human
services
that
you
know,
just
to
understand
if
they
are
anticipating
updating,
that,
or
if
that's
on
a
schedule
of
of
any
kind
for
regular
updates,,
I'm
just
I
I'm
not
exactly
sure
um,,
but
you
know,.
So
I
don't
know
if
we'll
be
able
to.
I
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
in
the
packet
it
talks
about,
you
know,,
trying
to
achieve
the
city's
overall
housing
goals
by
offering
an
incentive
for
developers
and
select
zones
to
provide
more
permanently
affordable,
housing
than
is
currently
required.,
and
then
it
also
talks
about
like
a
density
bonus,,
particularly
for
projects
in
the
mixed
use
to
and
high
density
residential,
two
areas
that
provide
above
that
percentage
of
required,
affordable,
housing.
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
and
I
looked
at
the
map,
and
I
do
see
that
there
is
no
mixed
use,
to,
and
just
a
small
percentage
of
high
density
residential
to
in
the
phase
two
area.,
and
I'm
just
wondering
whether
you
know
this
idea
of
providing
a
bonus
for
providing
going
above
and
beyond
giving
us
more
units
of
permanently
affordable.
Housing..
J
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
the
table.-
that
is
something
we'll
be
exploring
as
part
of,,
probably
more
later,
as
we
move
into
that
task.
for
of
regulatory
updates
and
kind
of
the
implementation.
Strategy.
um,
however,
that'll
be
based
on
some
of
the
potential
changes
that
we
might
make
to
those
land
uses..
So,
while
there's
only
a
small
area
that
high
density
residential
to
land
use.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
proposed
in
the
phase
two
area.
Currently
that
could
certainly
change
through
this
process..
Where
we
understand
there,
there
might
be
more
of
an
appetite
for
some
of
those
more
mixed,
use.
mixed
use,
areas
or
or
additional
areas
of
higher
density
residential.,
or
we
may
also
look
at
um.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:.
You
know
the
way
that
those
incentives
are
currently
applied
and
expand.
The
you
know,
expand
the
the
use
types,
the
land
use
types
to
where
those
incentives
could
potentially
be
applied..
So
I
think
all
those,,
all
those
questions
are,
will
be
explored,
and
around
the
table
at
this
point,.
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
very
happy
to
hear
that,
and
you're,
probably
already
planning
to
do
this.,
but,
um,,
just
in
case
I'll
mention
that
seems
like
that
would
be
a
very
fruitful
area
of
inquiry
for
your
look
back
at
phase
one
like
how
how
many,
you
know,
projects
took
advantage
of
this
bonus,
and
what
was
the
outcome?
and
what
did
it
cost
the
city?.
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:,
you
know,.
I
think
this
is
one
of
the
challenges
that
we
have
with
the
affordable
housing
program
and
the
bonus
that
we
currently
have
exchanging
height
for
additional,
affordable
units..
Is
you
don't
actually
get
that
many
affordable
units.?
It's
certainly
better
than
not
getting
them.
um,,
but
you
know
just
is
taking
a
clear-ed
look
at
what
is
it
costing
us??
What
are
we
getting,
and
how
can
we
do
better?.
J
J
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:,
so
I
just,,
if
you
had
anything
to
add
on
that..
It
sounds
like,
know
that
this,
because
the
vision
that's
explained
in
the
plan
is
that
this
boulder
junction
area
is
really
going
to
be
a
destination..
It's
going
to
be
very
pedestrian
oriented
that
you
expect
a
lot
of
foot
traffic..
You
expect
a
lot
of
people
coming
in,.
J
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
the
point
that
we're
trying
to
make
where
we're.
we're
really
hesitant
to
reopen
the
plan.
From,
you
know,
soup
to
nets
and
and
completely
overhaul
it,,
and
we
really
want
it..
You
know
the
overall
vision
and
recommendations
still
still
ring
true,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
just
strategic,
and
in
the
areas
where
we
think
there
might
be
a
need
for
some
updates
and.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
and
adjustments.
um,,
you
know.
One
thing
I
will,
I
will
mention
is
that
we
we
did
kind
of
a
staff
walk
about
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
with
members
from
really
a
a
number
of
different
departments,,
including
community
vitality
and
transportation,
and
community
engagement
and
all
of
our
team
and
um.
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
when
you
know
what
it
looked
like
before,
and
you
look
at
it
now,.
You
think
oh,,
it's
done!,
but
it's
actually
like
there's
still
a
ways
to
go
on
phase
one
to
finish
the
construction,.
To
actually
get
people
moved
in
there
to
finish
the
park..
That's
across
the
street,
from
the
plaza
and
jason
to
goose,
creek.
I
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
it's
been
a
cascade
of
events,,
so
it's
not.,
it's
not
occupied
by
humans
as
much
as
it
will
be.,
and
I
think
that
you
know
give
that
phase
one
area,
another
three
to
five
years,
and
I
think
it's
gonna
really,
you
know,,
take
on
a
license
its
own,
and
and
become
some
place.
You
know
much
more
special
than
it
currently
feels
today.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
um..
The
goal
for
phase
two
is
the
same.
is
that
you
know
any
of
the
street
improvements
or
transportation
connections,
multi-use
pads?
very
much
still
a
uh,,
a
focus
on
pedestrian
bicycle
and
multimodal
movement,
and
and
not
a
reliance
on
vehicles.
I
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:,
if
you
are
in
a
car.,
there's
really
no
reason
to
ever
go
to
the
boulder
junction
area
or
go
through
it,,
because
there's
so
many
major
arterials
that
go
around
it..
You
know
foot
hills,,
pearl
street,,
thirtieth
street,.
You
know
I
I
the
place
I
get..
My
haircut
is
in
boulder
junction,
and
um,.
You
know
it.
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
currently..
It
does
not
feel
like
a
very
car-friendly
place,,
which
is
probably
a
good
thing.
um,
there,,
there's
no
really
no
reason
to
drive
into
it.
um,
unless
there's
like
a
particular
place
that
you're
going
so
I
love.
I
love
to
hearing
how
you
characterize
that
that
it's
it's
not
quite
yet
finished,
and
that
it
will
have
more
of
these
special
places.
that
will
be
a
real
draw
for
people.
um,,
especially
those
arriving
by
foot
or
by
bike
or
by
transit..
H
H
H
H
H
Pb
ml
robles::
how
does
that
connect
to
the
rest
of
the
city?
and-
and
I
agree
with
laura.
if
you
don't
have
a
particular
reason
to
be
in
that
area,
you're
not
going
to
encounter
it
just
as
a
part
of
your
daily
experience.
you're,
not
gonna,
be
passing
by
and
saying,
oh,.
Look
at
that
thing.
There,
you
just
not.
and
there's
there's.
H
H
Pb
ml
robles:
um,
and
you
know,,
maybe
start
with
the
transit
part..
This
is
that
we
do
have..
We
do
have
a
very
active
bus
system.,
unfortunately,,
the
skips
don't
go
over
there,
and
the
the
hops.
H
H
Pb
ml
robles:
and
populous
places
in
the
city..
So
how
does
that
connect?
Itself,?
I
think,
is
an
excellent
point
that
john
make,
and
I
just
wanted
to
reinforce
it,,
because
I
I
think
it's
very
real..
It's
it's
something,
that's
very
real,
and
um,.
It
feels
like
that
transit
thing.
Out..
There
is
kind
of
something
out
there.
um,,
but
it.
A
A
A
A
A
Pb,
lisa
smith:
pearl
street
transit
line,.
You
know
something.
That's
just
like
running
almost,
you
know,
very,,
very
consistently,,
like
on
a
loop..
I
know
that
we
not
that
long
ago,,
but
in
terms
of
colorado,
time..
What
like
a
while
ago.
there
was,,
I
think,
a
streetcar
line,
you
know,
right
across
there.,
um,,
you
know,,
but
something
like
that.,
that's
just
like
kind
of
going,,
because
you
do
have
these
big.
A
A
Pb,
lisa
smith:
bring
people
in,
and
that
the
answer
is,
transit
is,,
is
a
big
one,
and
then
I
was
just
looking
at
the
website
and
trying
to
figure
out,.
If
busting
comes
to
boulder,,
I
don't
think
busting
comes
to
boulder,,
but
you
know,
like
and
I'm
sure
I
have
not
been
paying
any
attention
that
I'm
sure
conversations
are
ongoing,
or
they've
decided,
not
to,
or
it's
in
discussion..
I
don't
know
um.,
but
you
know,.
If.
A
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
our
tv
is
gonna
rtd.,
which
they're
gonna
um,
you
know.
then
look
to
busting,
you
know.,
look
to
other
stuff,
like
you
were
talking
about
the
you
know,
like
a
major
rail
along
kind
of
the
metropolis
like
along
the
front
range.
um.
A
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
you
know.
how?
How
do
we
activate
in
other
ways?
if
the
original
partner
that
we
thought
we're
going
to
have
in
services?
just
never,,
not
never.,
but
it's
still
trained
believer.
but
um,,
if
we're
not
sure
when
or
if
that's
going
to
happen.
um,
yeah,
cause
yeah,
you
just
you,
don't
have
a
foot,
traffic,
um,
or
bike
traffic,
or
whatever.
and.
A
Pb,
lisa
smith:.
Without
that
pb,
lisa
smith:.
I
think
we
can
reconceptualize
such
a
different
way..
But
how
do
you
pull
people
in
from
that
broader
east,,
older
area,
and
then
even
bring
them
like
from
parole
over
to
their
or,?
You
know,
from
outside
boulder
into
that
region.
um,
and
actually
give
them.
A
A
A
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
you
know,
pb,
lisa
smith:
a
destination
in
its
own
right.
and
then
that
like
programs
right
because
you
need
programming.,
you
need
activation.
and
then
I
I
know
a
lot
of
effort
went
into
trying
to
schedule
stuff
and
activate
the
space
at
the
current
phase.
um,,
and
it
it
just
as
far
as
I
know,.
It
never
really
took
off.
and
of
course,
covid
and
the
playgrounds
out
there
getting
bomb
blot..
But
you
know.
A
Pb,
lisa
smith:
yeah,.
If,
if
you
have
a
reason,
why
a
whole
bunch
of
people
come
in
and
don't
want
to
park
there,,
they
want
to
come
in
by,,
but
they
want
to
come
in
by
bus..
They
want
to
come
in,
you
know.
whatever..
Then
you
have
that
regular
flow
coming.
Through,
and
businesses
can
kind
of
survive
on
that.
um,.
G
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
well,.
I
I
hope
I'm
not
the
last
person,,
because
I
I
have
some
feedback,,
and
so
I
hope
someone
will
end
on
a
an
up
note,,
because
I
have
a
little
of
feedback
and
and
it's,
and
it's
not
all
positive.
so
um!.
The
first
thing
I
want
to
say
is
that
you
know
I've
spent
a
bunch
of
time
over
in
phase
one.
G
G
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
in
in
regard
to
feedback
on
the
scoping
and
the
community
engagement
plan.
G
Pb
mark
mcintyre:.
I
I
want
to
say
that
I
found,
the
memo,,
the
general
language
to
be
kind
of
dense
and
bureaucratic,.
G
G
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
it
helped
tremendously,,
but,
as
I
read
through,
I
was
kind
of
like
wait,,
I
I
I
I
struggled
with
it
so,,
which
may
say
more
about
me
than
your
plan.
but,
uh,.
I
I
just
wanted
to
know
that
I
struggled
with
it,.
G
G
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
but
every
project
can
benefit,,
I
think,
from
clarity
about
what
we
can
do
and
what
we
can't
do.
G
G
G
G
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
the
general
public,
not
understanding
what
what
the
limitations
were
to
their.
G
G
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
parks
and
recreation
master
plan
did
a
really
great
job
upfront
about
setting
out
some
very
simple,,
straightforward
goals
and
aspirations,.
So
that,
as
you
read
the
plan
uh,
they
it
was,.
It
was
clear.
G
G
G
G
G
G
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
yeah,
thanks,
bart.
vivian,.
Do
you
want
to?
comment
on
that
last
particular
item?.
I
D
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
mixed
many
mixed
groups..
You
also
risk
not
getting
into
the
details,
like
fully
understanding
the
details
of
people,
different
constituent
types
issues
in
detail,,
and
we
don't
want
to
have
five
hour.
Meetings,.
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
and
cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:,
but
we
also
thought
about
you
know
what.
ha!.
How
can
we
make
sure
that
people
here
what
other
groups
are,
are
saying
so,?
We
would
report
back
to
the
groups
what
we're
hearing
from
the
different
groups.
and
uh,.
We
would
also
share
back
in
the
larger
community
meetings,
what
we're
hearing
from
the
different
focus,
groups,.
D
D
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
to
be
honest.,
but
we
didn't
want
that..
We
didn't
want
that
to
be
the
starting
point,,
because
we
will
really
want
to
fully
understand.
and
I
think
different
groups
will
have
different
needs
in
terms
of
the
education
and
awareness
also
to
bring
them
up
to
speed.,
um,
and
like
property.
Owners,.
Business
owners
will
have
really
different.
D
Cob,
vivian,
castro-wooldridge:,
requirements,
and
and
the
discussions
would
be
really
different.
right?
um!,
so
that
that's
just
a
little
bit
of
our
thinking.
um..
But
I
agree
with
you..
We
might
have
to
adjust
as
we
go
in
and
have
that
forum
for
the
different
constituents,
and
I
totally
get
what
you're
saying
like
that.
Really
rich
conversation
happens,
and
it's
not
like.
D
G
G
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
that
that
developer
guy.
he's
actually
all
right.
right..
Now
I
understand
a
little
more
about
what
his
concerns
are,
and
and
have
a
developer,
you
know,
have
have
some
understanding
of
of
the
struggle
or
the
needs
of
of
other
community
members
and
or
a
business
owner,
that's
looking
at
losing
their
space
or
whatever
it
might
be.
so,
anyway,.
That.
G
D
D
I
I
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
and
I
just
add
something
to
that
on
spanish..
It's
something,,
sarah
and
I
have
been
talking
about
about
like
just
using
playing
language
like..
If
the
english
version
is
really
complicated,,
then
the
tre..
Nobody
is
going
to
understand
the
translated
version
as
well.
um.
and.
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
and
something
we're
thinking
about
is
even
working
with
the
connectors
to
come
up
with
terminologies
for
planning
language
and
spanish
like
that
that
they
prefer.
they
think
their
communities
will
understand
better
as
well,,
because
there
might
be
like
a
more
correct
translation..
But
if
nobody
understands
it,,
that's
not
really
useful.
J
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:,
who
have
been
through
the
planning,
review,
process
and
kind
of
get
it.
um,
because
they
have
that
experience
right?.
They
have
that
education..
They
have
years
of
working
with
these
terms
and
with
the
city.
um,
and-
and
so
some
folks
are
going
to
want
that
level
of
detail
of
okay,
right
now,
we're
looking
at
the
land
use
map,,
and
this
is
going
to
translate
into
the
bbcp.
J
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:,
some
meetings
that
go
into
jargon
and
planaries
and
some
meetings
where
you
really
have
to
take
it
out
of
planning
language
entirely
and
ask
about
things
like,.
What
kinds
of
activities
do
you
want
to
do.?
What
kinds
of
housing
do
you
want??
What
kinds
of
open
space
do
you
need
the
things
that
are
really
going
to
matter
to
people
and
their
lives.?
How
do
you
get
around
this
area?.
J
Um,
pb,
laura
kaplan:,
you
know
what
I'm
saying
so,
I'm
not
going
to
belabor
the
point,,
but
I
think
we
ran
into
that
with
the
east.
Boulder
subcommittee
plan
is
that
staff
made
such
a
diligent
effort
to
bring
everybody
along
with
every
single
detail
of
the
planning
process
that
a
lot
of
people
just
dropped
out.
Even
members
of
the
working
group.-
I
think
sometimes
we're
we're
lost
and.
J
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:.
If,
if
you
really
want
to
get
broad,
input,,
sometimes
you
have
to
figure
out
ways
to
not
go
so
deep.
If
that
makes
sense.
D
Cob,
vivian
castro-wooldridge:
yeah.,
and
that
was
a
bit
of
our
thinking
with
the
separate
focus
groups
like,,
you
know,.
We
can't
ask
every
what
they
think
about
the
form
based
code
like
that..
We
need
to
find
other
ways
to
ask
them.
what
do
they
like
about
their
housing,
or
what
are
they
like
about
their
neighborhood
like??
So
during
the
kickoff
face
to.
D
B
B
B
Pb
john
gerstle:,
so
pb
john
gerstle:
property
line,
elimination.
I
B
B
H
H
J
B
Pb
john
gerstle:
okay?
pb
john
gerstle:
well,
anyway,
laura,.
You
had
the
requested
some
briefing
by
staff
of
of
what
the
city
council
was
up
to.,
but
I
think,
uh,.
We
got
a
response,
saying
that
to
the
tonight
might
not
be
the
the
most
opportunity
in
time
to
do
that.
Is,.
B
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
reprioritize
a
few
items,
things
like
occupancy
limits
a
to
use.
Looking
at
multi-family
housing
that
that
kind
of
thing
I
don't
have
the
full
list
in
front
of
me,,
and
I.
J
Pb
laura
kaplan:.
I
had
asked
for
an
update,,
because
I
wasn't
exactly
clear
on
what
the
outcomes
were
and
what
direction
staff
was
taking
from
that,
and
the
answer
that
we
got
back
from
brad
was,.
They
would
absolutely
be
happy
to
update
us
at
a
future
dates.,
but
that
staff
needs
to
take
what
they
heard,
and
have
some
internal
meetings
about
it,
and
figure
out
a
direction,
and
then
come
back
and
and
brief
us.
J
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
is
that.
Did
I
get
that
right,
christopher,?
Please
add
correct.
yes,
that
is,,
that
is
exactly
right.
yeah.,
so
uh,
uh,
brad
is
actually
away
on
vacation..
So
when
he
returns
we'll
debrief
and
and
circle
back
internally
with
all
of
our.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
team.,
um.
primarily,,
I
would
say
it
has
more
of
an
effect
on
some
of
the
code
update
work
that
carl
giler
and
lisa
that
are
working
on
um.,
not
as
much
of
an
effect
on
our
comprehensive
planning,
work
plan,,
but
a
little
bit
um,.
So
we'll
we'll
certainly
come
back
to
you
with
an
update
on
that.
hopefully.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
before
the
end
of
the
year..
I
think
we
have
tentatively
scheduled
ourselves
in
for
sort
of
mid
late
december.
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
great,
very
eager
to
hear
about
that.
um,,
you
know.
obviously,.
We
wish
that
you
could
do
everything
because
you're
amazing,
and
you
do
such
great
work,
and
we
would
love
to
have
double
the
staff
and
planning
and
development
services,.
So
you
could
just
get
it
all
done.
um!,
but
obviously
we
know
that
you
have
limitations,
and
there's
only
so
much
work.
We
can
ask
of
you.
um,
because
we
want
you
to
have
a
good
work
life
balance..
We
don't
always
hit
that
goal
as
it
is.
so
um,
you
know,.
J
B
B
Pb
john
gerstle:
and
uh,
I'm.,
I'm
intending
to
go
to
that
it's
on
friday,
and
it's
organized
by
uh,.
You
know
the
business
paper.
B
A
Pb,
lisa
smith:
that
kind
of
a
related
question:
pb,
lisa
smith:.
Does
anyone
remember
pb,
lisa
smith:
border
stuff??
What
what
is
the.
A
Pb,
lisa,
smith:,
birth,
rates,
and
growth.
is
that
the
real
estate
conference
or
another
one??
If
you
don't
know,,
I
can
try
to..
I
think
that's
a
different
one..
I
think
that's
one,
that's
very
interesting
to
just
kind
of
the
broad
trails.
and
then
what's
happening
in
the
county.
and
anyway,
yeah,.
So
those
could
be
a
one.
B
Pb
john
gerstle:,
I
think,
that's
organized
by
the
chamber
by
their
business
development
arm,
or
whatever
they
call
it,
and
they,
uh,.
They
coordinate
with
the
the
the
community
foundation
of
boulder,,
which
puts
together
this
very
nice.
B
B
Pb
john
gerstle:,
in
looking
at
the
at
the
schedule,,
it's
a
bunch
of
developers
talking
and
realtors,
and
so
on.
I
H
B
B
Pb
john
gerstle:,
the
the
kristofer
johnson,
cob:
schedule,
the
agenda,
which
gives
a
list
of
the
speakers..
It's
called
the
the
boulder
valley
real
estate
conference,,
so
it
includes
boulder,,
but
it
also
includes
other
uh,.
You
know
other
municipalities
that
are
in
in
the
county
and
sort
of
in
the
area.,
so
um,.
I
think
it's
just
kind
of
a
broad.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
kristofer,
johnson,,
cob:,
overview
of
yeah
coming
and
goings,,
and
what
people
are
seeing
in
the
market.
um.
and
you
know,
projects
that
are
starting
to
come
online
or
be
constructed.
A
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
yeah,,
I've,
I've
been
in
the
past
email,
and
I
just
pulled
up
the
agenda
at
a
glance.
and
so
there's
like
commercial
and
residential
forecasts..
I'm
sure
they'll
be
talking
about
interest
rates
and
just
you
know,
what's
already
in
development.:
what's
coming
up
life
sciences,
we've
seen.
so
yeah,,
yup,,
um,,
earth,,
wind
and
fire
rebuilding.,
so
you
know
what's
happening
after
marshall,
and
so
on.
major
developments
on
the
way.
short
term
rentals.,
that's
an
interesting
one.
and
then
climate.
A
J
B
B
C
B
B
Pb
john
gerstle:
okay,
just
lots
of
love
and
appreciation
for
our
staff..
Thank
you
so
much
again
for
the
great
presentation
on
junction.
that
was
great.,
but
thank
you,,
and
thanks
to
my
fellow
planning
board
members
for
great
questions
and
comments.,
I
feel
like
I
agreed
with
almost
every
single
thing
I
heard
tonight,
and
it
was
just
I'm
just
feeling
the
love.
oh,.