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Pb,
john
gerstle:,
so
pb,
john
gerstle:,
let's
see
brenda.,
do
you
need
to?
begin
with
the
rules
of
engagement
for
this
meeting.
B
B
Brenda
ritenour
(she/her):
right,
thing?,
okay,,
good.
um.,
always
always
a
good
start.
uh:.
So
just
very
quickly..
I
know
that.
um!.
Those
who
are
joining
us
may
have
heard
these
roles.
Many
times.
um,
and
appreciate
your
pat
as
we
go
through
them.
Quickly.
um!,
just
as
a
reminder,.
The
city
has
engaged
with
community
members
to
co-create
a
vision
for
a
productive
and
meaningful
and
inclusive
civic
conversation..
This
vision
is
designed
to
support
the
physical
and
emotional
safety.
B
Brenda
ritenour
(she/her):
for
community
members,
staff
and
boarding
commission
members,
and
also
supports
democracy.
for
people
of
all
ages.,
all
identities,
lived
experiences
and
political
perspectives
for
more
information
about
the
vision
and
the
engagement
process
that
that
we
conducted.
to
reach
this
vision.
You
can
go
online
to
boulder,,
colorado,
gov:
and
in
the
search
bar
put
in
productive
atmosphere..
That's
how
I
find
the
best
and
easiest
way
to
find
that
information.
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B
Brenda
ritenour,
(she/her):
and
participants
are
required
to
identify
themselves
using
the
name.
They
are
commonly
known,
by,
and
must
display
their
whole
name
before
being
allowed
to
speak
online.
um,.
I
am
currently
seeing
whole
names,,
so
it
looks
like
we're
in
good
shape.
There.
um,,
currently
only
audio
testimony
is
permitted.
Online.
B
B
Brenda
ritenour
(she/her):
um,.
If
you
would
like
to
speak
when
we
get
to
open
comment
and
our
public
hearings
tonight.,
you
can
use
your
raise
hand
button
that
you
should
find
at
the
bottom
of
your
screen.
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Brenda
ritenour,
(she/her):,
um,
or
if
you've
joined
us
by
phone,,
but
I
think
everyone
is
on
computer
tonight.
um,.
So
you
can
press
that
raise
hand.
Button.
um!.
You
can
also
reach
out
to
me
in
the
q.
a.
if
you
have
any
technical
questions,,
although
I
can't
support
any
comments
on
the
content
of
the
meeting.
B
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:
thank
you.
pb,
john
gerstle:
okay,
pb,
john
gerstle:
um.,
our
first
item
on
the
agenda
is,
regarding
the
minutes
of
august
sixth,
and
october
eighteenth.
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:
would
be
interested
if
uh,,
if
everyone
has
seen
those,
and
uh,.
If
anyone
is
willing
to
move
their
approval,.
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:,
that
has
should
have
been
sent
to
everybody,
and
want
to
make
sure
you're
aware
of
that.
A
Pb,,
john
gerstle:,
so
do
we
have
a
pb,
john
gerstle:,
a
motion
to
approve
them.
A
A
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:,
and
that
public
hearing
tonight
is
the
site
and
use
review
application
for
the
redevelopment
of
the
site.
uh,
at
forty
seven,.
Fifty
independence,
road.
A
B
B
D
D
Lynn,
segal:
throw
it
to
sarah
hly
and
the
others
that
you
know
you
had
to
get
some
consistent
things
going
on
within
the
city,,
because
it's
a
slap
in
the
face
for
the
public
to.
D
D
D
D
D
Lynn,
segal:
the
inclusionary
housing
of.
D
D
B
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:,
thank
you
pb,
john
gerstle:,
all
right.
well,
uh,.
We
we
have
no
dispositions,
or
call
ups
to
consider
tonight,.
So
we'll
move
right
into
our
public
hearing.
item,,
which
is,.
A
A
A
E
Cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
could
he
be
planning
board
members
and
charles
farrell
and
the
senior
planning
manager
and
planning
and
development
services?
and
today
it'll
be
presenting
a
request
for
an
extension
to
to
development
approval
for
a
holiday
and
express,
as
john
noted
at
forty-seven
fifty
independence,
road,
the
site
and
the
user.
View.
approvals
are
granted
back
in
two
thousand
and
eighteen.
E
E
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
excellent!,
thanks
so
much..
So
this
evening
the
board's
gonna
be
asked
to
determine
whether
the
proposal
meets
the
specific
criteria
for
an
additional
three
year:
extension
for
the
approved
site
and
user
view
applications.
next
slide,
please.
E
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
so
the
site
is
located
at
the
southeast
corner
of
the
diagonal
highway
and
independence,
and
was
formally
addressed
as
three
thousand
three
hundred
and
sixty-five
diagonal
highway.
when
it
was
originally
approved..
It's
located
just
to
the
south
of
the
recently
completed
diagonal
crossing
next
to
the
element.
Next
slide,
please.
E
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
thanks.,
so
the
approvals
were
granted
in
november,,
two
thousand
and
eighteen
for
a
one
hundred
and
thirty-eight
room
holiday
in
express
hotel..
It's
a
two
point,
two,
seven
acre
site:
thirty-five
foot,
height,
maximum
and
two
and
three
story:
building
elements.
E
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
there
was
a
twenty
percent
parking,
reduction.
um!
that
was
considered
as
part
of
the
original
approval..
So
one
hundred
and
seventy
five
spaces
were
required
where
one
hundred
and
forty
would
be
provided
in
a
combination
of
surface
and
some
grade,
parking.
um!
there
is
a
landscape,
hardscape,.
E
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
central
courtyard,,
entry,,
feature,
detached
sidewalks,
landscaping
and
lighting
upgrades
site
wide.
The
facility
will
also
include
a
cool
and
a
fitness
center
building
finishes
we're
considered
high
quality
with
composite
wood,,
limestone
facade,
elements.
E
E
Cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
on
the
subject.
applications
here
on
the
screen,,
including
final
engineering,,
landscaping,
final
architecture,
subdivision,
as
well
as
some
easement
and
right
of
way.
vacations.
E
E
E
E
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
click,
one
more
time.
cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
thank
you.
cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):.
So
there
are
three
criteria:
to
approve
an
extension.,
essentially
that
the
applicant
demonstrate
reasonable
diligence
that
there's
good
cause
for
delays
and
construction,
and
that
there
may
be
additional
conditions
imposed..
If
there's
been
relevant
amendments
to
title
nine,,
since
the
approval.
E
Cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
so
in
this
case,
is
outlined
in
the
memo
staff
found
that
the
applicant
exercise,
reasonable
diligence
and
fulfilling
a
number
of
the
conditions
of
approval,,
including
several
technical
document
review.
Applications.
E
E
Cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
um,
indicating
that
criteria
a
and
b.
then
have
been
satisfied.
um!
and,
as
I
noted
it
additionally,
there
haven't
been
any
significant
changes
to
title
nine
that
would
impact
the
existing
approval.,
so
staff
isn't
requesting
or
proposing
any
additional
conditions.
This
evening.
E
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
satisfying
criterion.
E
E
Cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
uh,
in
this
particular
case.
um!,
an
additional
three
years,
is
pretty
typical
for
what
it
is
that
we've
seen
in
extensions
from
the
planning,
board.,
um,
and
again,.
It's
important
to
note
that
the
applicant
is
required
to
abide
by
the
additional
conditions
that
have
been
set
forth
in
the
original
disposition
of
our
group.-.
E
cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
so
with
that
staff
recommends
a
motion
provided
in
your
packet.
um,.
As
shown
for
approval
of
the
extension
to
site
and
user
view.
Cases.
l.,
you
are:
twenty-six
oh,
oh,,
five,
one,
and
l.
you.
r.
twenty,,
sixteen,,
oh,
oh,.
E
E
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
back
in
two
thousand
and
eighteen.,
so
we
do
have
the
applicant
available
this
evening..
They
have
a
brief
presentation,
as
always..
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
at
the
board.
A
pb,
john
gerstle:
um.,
we'll
uh,
pb,
john
gerstle:.
I
think
what
we'll
do
now
is
take
questions
for
staff,
and
then
ask
the
applicant
if
he
has
a
presentation
or
any
remarks
for
us
to
consider.
F
F
Pb,
sarah
silver:
and
I'm
wondering
if
it
might
be
worth
planning
staff
codifying
that
because,
in
fact,,
it's
if
they,,
if
the
applicant
gets
to
six
month,
extensions,
and
then
three
more
years,.
It's
really
four
years,
and
there
may
be
some
value
to
that,.
But
I
feel
like.
F
F
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
I
appreciate
that,
and
we
will
add
that
to
our
ongoing
list
of
clean
up
code
changes,
and
I
think
it's
a
great
suggestion.
G
G
Pb
ml
robles:
how
they
should
be.
Looking
at
development.-
given
that
that
there
is
that
declaration
of
a
climate
emergency.,
so
is
there
anything
that
would
come
to
bear
on
this?.
E
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
I
don't
know
that
there
would,.
Although
I
appreciate
the
suggestion
and
the
thought
um,
I
think,
from
a
regulatory
perspective,,
the
applicant
is
going
to
be
bound
by.
E
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
um.,
the
regulations
that
apply
at
the
time
of
their
building
permits
of
middle.,
so
um!
they'll
be
required
to
meet
the
energy
code
as
it
exists,
today.
um!,
so
I
think,
from
a
regulatory
perspective..
I
don't
know
that
I
would
have
anything
to
add.
As
far
as
additional
conditions
of
approval
would
go.
H
Mark
mcintyre:
a
couple
of
questions,
charles..
Thank
you
for
sending
the
technical
drawing
package.
um,.
I
haven't
spent
a
lot
of
time
with
them.,
but
my
first
question:
is,
does.
this.
H
E
E
Cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
again.,
there
was
a
parking
reduction
that
one,
along
with
the
approval.
E
Cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
um!
cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
there
was
like
storage,,
I
believe
that
was
proposed
for
employees..
There
is
a
bike
share
program
that
the
operator
is
going
to
provide
for.
patrons
of
the
hotel.
E
H
Mark
mcintyre:
um!
has
there
been,
mark
mcintyre:
any
accommodation,
either
in
the
present
or
pre
wiring
for,
vehicle
charging,
bike,
charging,
et
cetera,
on
site?.
E
Cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
I'll
defer
to
the
applicant
on
that,
as
they're,
getting
their
building
permits
the
middle
together
as
we
speak,.
But
I
do
believe
that
pre
wiring
for
ed
charging
is
is
a
requirement
of
the
energy
code
at
this
point..
But
we
have
don
ash
on
the
call,
and
I'm
sure
he'll
be
happy
to
speak
to
that..
H
H
Mark
mcintyre:
path
and
recreation,
rich
connection.,
I
can
imagine
a
lot
of
people
staying
at
this
facility.
um,.
H
Mark
mcintyre:
uh,
for
using,,
using
the
soccer
fields
for
tournaments,,
etc.
I
can
also
see
people
who
live
just
to
the
north,
having
relative
stay
there,
et
cetera..
So
it's
a.
it's
an
area
that
has
the
potential
for
really
rich
pedestrian
and
bike
connections.
and
on
the
drawings.
H
Mark
mcintyre:
on
the
south,
mark,
mcintyre:
basing
south,
east.,
you
know
the
whole..
The
whole
thing
is
the
whole
southeast
as
a
diagonal,,
as
it's
called
the
diagonal
highway,
and
you
have
the
kind
of
textured
line
to
me,,
indicating
a
sidewalk
or
multi-use
path.,
and
then
just
adjacent
to
that.
You
have
a
wide.
H
H
Mark
mcintyre:
separate,
and
how
does
that
separated
vertically,
by
visuals,
or
how
is
that
separated?.
E
Cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
in
my
studying
of
the
original
application?
um,.
I
don't
think
that
the
bike
peg
uses
were
bifurcated
on
that.
E
Mark
mcintyre:
particular
portion
of
multi-use
path,
so
I
think
it
functions
very
much
like
most
of
other
multi-use
paths
in
town.
H
Mark
mcintyre:,
the
path
is
what
mark
mcintyre:
as
opposed
to
the
mark
mcintyre:
area
where
the
trees
are.
it
it.
H
H
E
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
if
you
look
at
page
thirty
of
the
packet,,
though
there
is
a
landscape,
plan.
um,,
which
I
think
lays
it
out.
E
E
H
H
H
E
E
A
A
E
E
I
Don
ash:
great.,
my
name,
is
don
ashton,
with
site
works.
we're
a
local
engineering,
planning
and
design
firm
in
boulder
jeff
lamont
on
the
line
he's
with
the
ownership
group
with
lamont,
companies.
and
yeah,.
We're
excited
to
bring
this
site
review
extension
to
you,
guys.
um,.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
get
this.
I
I
Don
ash:
iris
and
foothills
parkway.,
it's
just
south
of
diagonal
crossing
north.
This
to
the
right
of
the
screen,
here.
pleasant
view:
fields,
friends,
schools
directly
to
the
west.
um,
you
car
is
directly
to
the
east.
um,.
I
I
Don
ash:
we
have
forty-eight
spaces,
provided
twenty-four
of
those
we're
at
the
main
entrance.
here
um!,
and
then
we
have
twenty-four
that
are
located
just
down
the
ramp
kind
of
in
this.
I
Don
ash:
space
on
the
south
side
of
the
building.
um.,
the
buildings
primarily
used
for
hotel.
we
on
the
first
floor..
We
have
hotel
rooms.
The
purple
areas
are
meeting
rooms,
lobbies
back
of
house
spaces.
like,,
I
said,
it
is
three
stories..
So
the
second
and
third
stories
are
all
hotel.
Rooms.
I
I
I
Don
ash:
there's
a
five
foot
detached
sidewalk
along
the
east
side
of
forty
seventh
street,
and
then
there's
an
eight
foot,
detached
sidewalk
on
the
south
side
of
independence,,
and
then
the
gap
here
between
the
um.
there's
new
carbon
gutter.
That
would
be
installed
along
the
diagonal
highway.
I
Don
ash:
for
the
tree
lawn,
and
then
right,
now.
um,,
the
seed
mix
we
plan
to
use
is
a
short
grass.
mix
um,.
So
it's
pretty
low
maintenance.
um,
and
should
provide
a
nice
buffer
between
the
diagonal
and
the
multi-use
path.
um,.
I
I
Don
ash:,
at
the
end
of
two
thousand
and
eighteen,
we
had
site
review
approval..
That's
when
we
went
to
planning
board
for
the
site,
review,
amendment.
I
I
Don
ash:
um!
we
had
preliminary
approval
from
staff
at
the
end
of
two
thousand
and
nineteen
um.
pending
some
final
details
with
the
subdivision
agreement
and
the
financial
security.
um,
and
then,
of
course,
the
beginning
of
two
thousand
and
twenty
is
when
the
pandemic
hit
and
um,.
We
sort
of
put
the
project
on
a
slope
role
at
that
point..
So
um!.
I
Don
ash:
um,,
but
you
know
we
were
hit
pretty
hard
with
some
travel
restrictions
in
early
two
thousand
and
twenty.
that
put
a
big
decline
in
leisure,
travel,
and
business
travel.
um!.
We
also
had
some
major
concerns
about
construction
working
on
a
major
project
like
this,
with
social
distancing
at
the
time.
um!,
and
then
we
ran
into
some
financial
challenges
with
our
financial
partners.
um,,
just
trying
to
get
funding
for
the
project.
I
Don
ash:
we've
seen
a
big
reduction
in
business
travel.
um,.
We
continue
to
have
supply
chain
issues
um,
and
then,,
even
towards
the
end
of
two
thousand
and
twenty-one
christmas
time
with
delta
and
over
kron
really
still
prevalent.
um!.
We
had
a
big
window
here
where
we
really
felt
like
the
project
needed
to
be.
I
Don
ash:
sort
of
don
ash:
slow
down
for
the
most
part
to
we
got
to
a
better
situation
economically..
So
that's
when
we
submitted
the
first
level
of
staff
review,,
which
is
twenty
twenty-one,.
I
I
Don
ash:
for
landscape,
civil
and
architecture.
um!,
the
final
plat
was
approved
in
july
of
two
thousand
and
twenty-two
that
went
to
planning
board
for
a
call
up.
The
pl
was
recorded
as,,
along
with
the
development
agreement,.
I
Don
ash:
and
then
we
worked
in
earnest
in
the
fourth
quarter
of
two
thousand
and
twenty-two
pulling
together,
our
our
building
permits
for
architecture,
for
structural,
mechanical,
electrical
plumbing.
um!.
We
have
engaged
a
a
local
permit.
Specialist,
specialist.
excuse
me
to
help
us
navigate
the
city's
review.
Process.
I
I
Don
ash:
excuse
me,
the
site.,
review.
approval.
um..
Tonight
we're
going
to
move
right
into
building.
permits
middle
first
quarter,,
two
thousand
and
twenty-three,
hopefully
start
construction,
spring,,
summer,,
two
thousand
and
twenty-three
um,,
and
that
construction
period
it
would
extend
into
two
thousand
and
twenty-four.
I
Don
ash:
and
right
now
we're
proposing
a
tentative
opening
date
at
the
end
of
two
thousand
and
twenty-four,
so
that
three
year
extension
would
fit
nicely
into
our
construction
schedule.
So
with
that,
I
don't
think
I
have
anything
else
to
present.
um,.
A
A
I
Don
ash:
um!
don
ash:,
so
as
charles
says,
I
mean,,
there
are
bus
locations
directly
adjacent
to
us..
The
bolt
comes
down
from
longmont.
there's
two
stops
on
the
diagonal..
There's
two
stops
on
iris..
The
bound
is
over
on
thirtieth
street,,
which
is
pretty
close.
um,,
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
service.
I
E
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
monday,
through
friday.,
so
if
it
did
experience
any
interruptions,,
it
looks
like
it's
still
high
frequency..
The
flex
also
serves
the
site,
which
is
regional
transit
in
northern
colorado.
In
addition
to
the
bolt..
So.
E
A
G
I
Don
ash:
yeah,,
it's
it's
a
little
bit
of
both.,
I
mean,
we
have
roughly
one
hundred
and
forty
rooms.
so.
um!.
The
parking
code
requires
one
space
per
room,
and
then
uh,.
The
parking
code
also
requires
that
we
park
one
space
for
three
hundred
for
the
non
residential
area..
So
for
the
lobbies,,
the
meeting
rooms
um,
other
back
house
spaces
are
all
parked
at
one
for
three
hundred
to
sort
of
accommodate
for
for
the
different
employees
and
stuff.
I
Don
ash:
um,,
you
know
we
do
have,,
you
know,
local,
regional
bus
locations
that
are
pretty
close
by.,
so
we
think
that.
um!,
a
lot
of
employees
and
guests
would
utilize
the
the
local
bus
networks.
um,.
You
know
we
would
love
to
provide
some
sort
of
bike,
share
or
kind
of.
I
I
Don
ash:,
it
varies
at
different
locations.
obviously.
um,.
I
was
talking
to
jeff.
Earlier.
he's
got
some
other
projects
in
colorado
and
montrose
and
durango.
um,.
I'm
sure
the
car
utilization
rates
are
higher
in
some
of
those
other
areas.
um,.
You
know.,
I
know,
for
instance,
in
border
that
people
are
pretty.
I
G
G
G
I
I
Don
ash:
um,,
which
is
where
a
lot
of
hotels,
are
sort
of
catering
to
right,
now..
So
from
a
market
standpoint,
we
feel
like
we're
in
a
good
position
right:
now.,
travel,
wise
and
pandemic
wise
that,
uh,,
you
know,,
the
business
would
be
quite
good.,
um,
jeff.
I
Don
ash:
prefab
structures
that
he's
working
on
in
colorado.,
so
we
might
be
able
to
utilize
a
prefabricated
type
construction.
I
Don
ash:
method
to
do
the
hotel.
um,,
I
wouldn't
say
that
set
stone
right,
now.,
but
um,
jeff
has
been
working
on
plans
along
those
lines
so
that
that's
probably
going
to
help
out,
too.
um!
and
it
seems
like
the
markets
sort
of
stabilizing
a
little
bit.
um,.
I
G
I
G
I
Don
ash:
no.,
so
you
know
we
have
the
site
review
approval,,
which
is
the
architectural
plans
that
we're
in
the
package
that
staff
packet
or
the
planning
board
packet.
um!.
And
then
we
have
the
technical
document
plans
which
were
approved
earlier
this
year..
So
at
this
point
we
really
don't
want
to
change
with
the
building..
We
don't
want
to
change
materials
and
substantially
alter
the
structure..
So
we've
been
moving,,
you
know
quite
steadily
on
structural
engineering,,
mechanical
plumbing,
and
electrical
on
the
plans
that
we
have
in
place.
I
G
Pb
ml
robles:,
okay?
well,.
Those
are
my
questions
relative
to
the
key
issues
that
the
staff
identify,
and
I
appreciate
your
answers.
don.
H
H
Mark
mcintyre:
and
I
I
uh,-
I
appreciate
the
the
the
quantity
of
bike
spaces
that
it
sounds
like
you're,
providing
um,
and
your
efforts
to
provide
some
sort
of
bike
service
as
a
as
a
product
or
a
manatee
of
the
hotel..
H
H
Mark
mcintyre:,
the
hotel
was
built,
or
they
went
through
a
period
of
a
reconstruction
or
whatever
it's
like.
yeah,
we're
going
to
buy
some
bikes,
and
and
then
very
quickly.
They
they
fall
into
a
state
of
disrepair,
and
and
you're,
really
not
able
to
to
use
them
functionally,
and
it's
kind
of
a.
it's
just
kind
of
an
embarrassing
situation
and
boulder
be
cycle.
Has.
uh,.
H
H
H
Mark
mcintyre:,
a
independent
contract,
or
from
rather
than
we
trying
to
rely
on
hotel
staff
or
hotel
programming
to
deal
with
your
bike
stuff..
So
that's
my
only
comment
there
and
final
one
would
be
um,.
You
know
we
are..
We
are
coming
into
an
age
where
people
will
be
bringing.
H
Mark
mcintyre:,
electric
bikes,,
and,
if
you
don't
want
them
in
the
rooms
um,,
which
maybe
maybe
that
there's
no
way
to
avoid
that.,
given
the
cost
of
many
people's
electric
bikes,
you
should
have
some
of
that,
some
facility
for
electrification
and
charging.
H
Mark
mcintyre:
outside
as
well.,
so
that's
my
input.
I
I
Don
ash:
um!
and
I
think
the
big
change,
I
think,
in
the
last
few
years
has
been
with
the
e
bikes,
and
I
think
it's
pretty
easy
to
put
some
charging
outlets
in
our
long
term
storage
area,,
and
we
can
bring
the
bikes
in
the
garage
and
provide
a
little
power
for
people
to
charge
their
bikes..
I
think
that
would
be
a
great
idea.
H
I
Don
ash:,
those
e
bikes
would
be
cycle,.
I
think,
have
been
a
game
changer
this
year,
too.,
so
we
we
entertained
be
cycle
a
few
years
ago,
and
at
the
time
they
weren't
into
a
big
expansion,
area.
um.
I
A
pb,
john
gerstle:
um,
thank
you.,
pb,
john
gerstle:,
so
I
think
we'll
we'll
begin
our
public
hearing
now..
So
this
is
the
time
when,
if
any
members
of
the
public
have
comments
or
thoughts
that
they
wish
to
share
with
the
planning
board
on
this
matter.
now
is
the
time.
and
brenda,.
If
you
take
charge
of
that
again.
that
would
be
great.
B
B
Lynn,
segal:
lynn..
I
will
enable
your
microphone
when
reflecting
on
propellio
and
how
they
wanted
um,.
You
know
one
hundred
and
sixty
spaces,
and
they
wanted
them
so
that
the
pent
houses
can
have
two
parking
spaces
in
the
middle
of
the
b.
vrc.,
and
here
don
has
this
place
out
on
the
diagonal,
and
he's
getting
a
parking
reduction
of
twenty-five
percent.
D
Lynn
segal:,
like.
D
D
D
D
D
Lynn,
segal:
you
know..
These
things
need
to
go
through
environmental
review..
They
need
to
go
through
the
environmental
board
or
something,
because,.
You
know,,
you
can't
do
it
with
someone.
a
personal
house.
when
someone's
got
their
granite,
countertops,
and
they're
the
wrong
color
for
the
next
person,.
You
know.
D
Lynn,
segal:,
they
don't
do
that,,
you
know.,
I
mean,,
maybe
in
havana,
or
if
you're,
for
for
the
business
traveler,
or
but
not
nearly
as
much..
The
united
states
should
take
the
model
of
live
in.
when
people
come
and
visit,,
they
come
and
stay
in
homes
locally,,
and
they
really
experience
the
area.
D
D
D
B
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:
um,
pb,
john
gerstle:
okay,
I'll
bring
it
back
to
the
board
for
discussion.
now,.
I
think
you've
you've
all
seen
the
look
matrix
that
charles
is
prepared
to
to
help
us
go
through,
get
through
the
issues.
We
need
to
think
about,.
A
Pb
ml
robles:
wow!
rare
that
it's
so
quiet.
okay,,
I'm
looking
for
my
hand.
um,,
I
will..
I
will
use
the
matrix
and
just
go
through
the
three
um,.
The
three
issues
that
are
identified,
there.
G
Pb
ml
robles:,
so
the
criteria
for
demonstrating
reasonable
due
diligence..
I
do
believe
that
the
applicant
has
met
that
starting
in
two
thousand
and
nineteen
with
the
tech
docs
and
the
final
platform,
do
you?.
G
Pb
ml
robles:
in
this
in
this
year,,
so
I
do
believe
that
that
has
been.
G
Pb
ml
robles:
has
been
met.
The
second
issue,
the
criteria
for
demonstrating
good
cause.
um,.
You
know,,
I
guess.
G
G
Pb
ml
robles:,
the
timeline
can
be
met
within
the
next
three
years.,
but
I
don't
have
any.
G
Pb
ml
robles:
thoughts
about
I'm
looking
under
additional
conditions,
and
my
concern
with
what
has
been
brought
to
the
table?.
Given
the
environmental.
G
G
Pb
ml
robles:
um,,
you
know,
I
know
we
have..
We
have
the
different
shuttle
options
to
take
as
individuals,,
but
I
think
that
could
be
a
big,
a
big.
G
G
Pb
ml
robles:,
the
constructability,
and
and
where
we're
at
with
all
that..
So
I
um.,
but
those
are
my
thoughts
and
my
concerns..
There
isn't
anything
any
concern
that
I
have.
That
would.
C
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:.
I
do
believe
that
they
had
demonstrated
good
cause
for
the
delay,,
obviously,
with
covid
and
the
labor
shortages
and
supply
shortages.
it'll
be
hard
to
argue
against
that.,
so
yes,
on
good
cause,,
and
I
I
am
persuaded
by
staff's
arguments
that
there
should
be
no
additional
conditions
placed
by
this
board,.
C
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:
um,
very
much
the
same.,
so
I
won't.
quote
the
language
again,
since
you
just
did
it
beautifully.
thank
you.,
laura.
um.,
but
yeah,.
I
I
think
they've
met
the
necessary
criteria..
I
don't
see
any
profound
or
compelling
reasons
con.
That
would
go
against
what
staff
found
in
terms
of
it,
making
sense
to.
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:
put
an
extension
in
um..
Perhaps
someone
else
on
planning
board
will
convince
me
otherwise.,
but
as
of
right
now,
I
I
agree
with
staff's
findings,
and
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
proceed.
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:
well,-
this
may
be
the
fastest
public
hearing
in
history
for
us,,
but
uh,.
H
A
A
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:,
this
is
moving
along
pretty
quickly.
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:,
now
we
move
into
matters
from
planning,
board,.
A
A
L
A
M
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
schedule
with
the
council,,
and
certainly
the
ordinance
and
any
ordinances
include
a
a
lead
up
to
planning
board.
ah!.
These
topics,
specifically,,
in
addition
to
the
two
that
I
mentioned.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:,
boulder,
junction,,
two
and
and
adu
regulations
also
include
occupancy
regulations
and
zoning
for.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
housing,
affordability.,
brad,
mueller,,
cob:
um,.
In
that
discussion,
council
was
very
clear
that
they
want
to
move
very
decisively
and
quickly
to
the
degree
that
that's
possible
on
ads
and
occupancy.
in
particular,.
They
recognize
that
there
has
been
one.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
significant
input
uh,,
both
formally,
through
city,
processes.,
um,,
but
also
de
facto
through.
in
the
case
of
occupancy,
for
example,.
The
bedrooms
are
for
people
initiative
from
a
year
plus
ago.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
um,
in
the
case
of
a
to
use
a
lot
of
public
commentary
and
analysis
over
the
years.
um,.
So
they
really
made
it
clear
that
they
didn't
feel
it
was
necessary
to
initiate.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
ah!
new
outreach
in
that,
in
kind
of
the
traditional
sense
of
starting
a
project,,
but
that
that
really
was
very
ripe
and
mature,,
and
so
we
are
working
towards
direction
from
them
to
bring
forward,.
You
know,
fairly
specific
edu.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
language
that
would
eliminate
the
saturation
requirement
and
fairly
specific
analysis
round
occupancy
that
probably
centers
on
a
specific
number
of
unrelated.
That
differs
from
the
current
standard.
M
Brad
mueller,,
cob:
and
and
really
move
those
through.
so
again
recognizing
planning
boards
engagement
on
that,.
I
certainly
encourage
you
to
kind
of
track
that
as
it
as
it
moves
forward,.
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
planning
and
development,
services.
h:
five
of
councils,
ten
priorities.,
so.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
uh,.
I
guess
we
we
brad
mueller,
cob:.
I
don't
know
what
that
would
be,,
but
they
were.
we're
happy
to
to
be
working
towards
councils
desires
in
that
regard,
and
they
they
did
acknowledge
that
that's
a
lot
for
the
department,
especially
given
that,.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
uh,
we
have
had
to
ship
some
of
our
resources
to
development.
review
development
is
continues
to
come
in
at
very
high
pace,
and
so
that,,
coupled
with
a
few
months
of
having
lost
staff.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:,
essentially
three
senior.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
planners
for
the
department
who
had
left
at
one
point,
and.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
we're
rude
back.,
so
we
have
people
coming
back
that
are
able
to
hit
the
ground
running.,
but
we
did
lose
a
few
months.
There,
and
carl
giler
in
particular.
was
moved
over
for
a
couple
of
months
here
to
development
review..
Just
so
we
weren't
uh,
you
know,
dramatically
late
in
processing
the
types
of
applications
like
the
one
that
you
saw.
Tonight.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
um!
brad,
mueller,
cob:,
beyond
that,
uh,,
brad,
mueller,
cob:.
We
continue
to
work
on
operational
excellence
efforts
uh,,
including
our
electronic
submittals.
uh,.
We
are
not
one
hundred
percent
there
yet,,
but
we're
making
steady,
progress.
and
again,
that's
something
that
is
real.
forward
facing
for
planning
board,.
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:
well,
thank
you.
pb,
john
gerstle:
oh,
well,.
I
see.
the
hands
of
popped
up
right,
away,
and
we'll
get
to
everybody..
I
guess.
F
Pb,
sarah
silver:
the
idea
that
there's
been
adequate
public
input
on
eight
on
eighty..
You
revisions
is
actually
laughable,,
since
the
only
conversation
that
has
happened
was
that
have.
F
F
F
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
um.,
brad,
mueller,
cob:.
You
know
it
as
as
staff.
I.
I
try
not
to
fall
into
this
response
very
often,,
because
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
cop
out,
I
will
admit,,
but
to
some
degree.
I
I
know
you
appreciate
that.
um,,
I'm
the
messenger
of
these
things,
and
and
that
the
policy
center.
but
understand
and
appreciate
their
multiple
views
about.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
the
process
to
date
and
and.
M
F
F
F
F
H
Mark
mcintyre:
brad.,
I
watched
a
portion
of
that
council
meeting,
and
then
uh,.
H
Mark
mcintyre:,
avu,
items.
and
uh,
my,
and
that's.
H
H
H
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
acknowledgment
of
number
of
downtown
related
planning
processes
that
are
kind
of
bubbling,.
M
M
H
H
Mark
mcintyre:
edu
process
and
mark
mcintyre:
a
great
amount
of
public
input
that
happened.
and,
john,
you,
you
participated,,
I
believe,
on
planning
board
in
this
whole
a
to
you
thing..
So
I
don't.
was
it
two
thousand
and
seventeen,
two
thousand
and
eighteen,,
etc.
so
there
is..
There
is
a
lot
of
public
input
that
I
believe
that
is
still
valid.
H
Mark
mcintyre:
uh!
in
regard
to
eight
years.,
I
do
respect
sarah's
comments
about
respecting
what
what
council
has
adopted
in
terms
of
public
process..
We
have
a
public
process
model,
and
I
think
that
public
process
model
was
employed
on
prior
adu.
H
Mark
mcintyre:,
subjects.
and-
and
I
think
it
would
be
all
also
dangerous
to
disregard
that-
that
prior
input
and
the
results
of
what
our
prior
ad
you
effort,
yielded,,
which
is
not
very
many.
H
H
H
Mark
mcintyre:,
that
is
a
part
of
the
record.
in
the
past,
and
regard
to
occupancy.
yes,.
We
uh,
as
a
city
voted
down.
The
bedrooms
are
for
people
proposal,
and
uh,,
and
you
sure
we
need
to
respect.
H
Mark
mcintyre:
regulations.,
the
bedrooms
are
for
people.
proposal
was
not,.
Uh,
was
not
what
they
were
looking
for,,
but
that
did
not
mean.
H
Mark
mcintyre:
that,
mark
mcintyre:
that
the
community
mark
mcintyre:
would
not
support
uh,
an
expansion
of
occupancy
limits.
That
was
a
fair
and
more
thoughtful
that
the
community
in
some
regards
thought.
The
bedrooms
are
for
people.
proposal,
wasn't
refined
enough..
So
that's
my
that's.
My
comment
on
that.
H
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
yeah.,
um.,
well,
first
I'll,
say:
congratulations
on
successfully
luring
back
three
planners..
That
is
no
small
thing..
I
think
one
of
them
is
darren.
Wagner,
and
you'd
be
good
to
her,
and
you
hold
on
to
her
and
everyone
else.
um!
and
then,
uh,
you
know,
on
to
this
topic,.
I
I
think
it's
a
fascinating
one.
um,.
J
J
J
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
I
I'm
kind
of
okay
with
ads..
I
think
denver's
eighty.
you
situation
is
very
interesting,
because.
J
J
J
J
J
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
it
sounded
like
maybe
some
stuff
moved,
pretty
fast,
um,
and
and
and
some
stuff,,
and
so
I
I
have
some
concerns
about
that,
and
I
I
don't
know
if
it
planning
board,
has
a
place,
but
I'd
be
very
curious
to
get
perhaps
a
read
out
of
what
exactly
is
going
on,
or
what
decisions
are
being
made.
um,.
J
J
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:
and
at
the
same
time,,
when
I
see
things
like
that,
we're
going
to
be
closing
elementary
schools,.
I
suspect
that,
what's
going,
on,
and-
and
I
don't
blame
people
for
this-
is
that
we
have
a
lot
of
older
adults,,
either
couples
or
singles,
living
in
large
single
family
homes
who
don't
have
an
attractive
other
option
to
move
into,
and.
J
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
respecting
you
know
what
voters
have
done
while
also
saying,
okay,,
but
we
somehow
want
to
address
this
as
important,,
and
I
also
hope
that
we
can
continue
to
keep
in
mind
that
in
some
ways
this
is
nibbling
around
the
edges.
um!
and
and
we
can
get
very
focused
on
these
specific
use
cases
and
conflicts
that.
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
it
doesn't
actually
address
the
broad
things
that
are
happening,
demographically,
and
broad
things
that
are
happening
with
how
people
are
using
our
housing,
stock.,
um,
and
what's
getting
built
and
not
built,,
and
you
know.
so,
anyway,,
that's
I'll,
just
put
that
in
there,
and
then
I'll
say
broadly,.
Perhaps
you
know
we
don't
get
super
in
depth
on
it
tonight,.
But
if
there's
time
in
a
future
meeting.
J
I
I
would
love
to
educate
myself
independently
more
on
this,,
and
I
I
think
I
would
also
benefit
from
hearing
from
staff,
or
coming
from
someone
from
have
or
something
to
just
understand,
better
like,.
What
exactly
are
you
doing?,
and
what
did
you
take
into
consideration
and
like,?
Where
are
we
at?.
N
N
Pb,
jorge
boone:
to
to
what
I've
seen
and
understood
in
the
country,,
but
I
I'm
not
necessarily
opposed
to
it..
I'm
not
sure
that
there's
been
enough
public
process
in
that.
N
Pb,,
jorge
boone:,
a
more
so
as
it
relates
to
occupancy.
and
again,.
I
think
there
are
varying
opinions
of
how
it
would
actually
it
could
actually
be
detrimental
to
affordability
in
our
town,,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
voters
spoke
the
way
they
did.
N
Pb,
jorge
boone:
um,,
and
to
suggest
that
enough
public
process
has
been
done,
there.
to
go
contrary
to
that
vote,
or
even
near
contrary
to
that
vote,.
I
think,
is
a
very
dangerous
thing.
N
N
N
N
N
N
Pb,
jorge
boone:
again.-
I
I
wouldn't
want
to
be
in
your
shoes
being
directed
to
do
that.
um!,
but
I
wanted
to
bring
it
up.
Again,
because,
brad,,
since
you
haven't,
had
the
benefit
of
being
in
boulder
when
that
process.
Happened.
um!
it's
worthwhile
to
study,
it,
and
really
understand
where
the,
where
the
community
is.
add
on
it.
thanks,.
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
so
I
I
don't
think
tonight
is
necessarily
the
time
or
the
place
for
us
to
try
to.
you
know,
litigate,
what
happened
with
occupancy
limits,
and
to
use.,
but
I
do
appreciate
what
my
fellow
board
members
are
saying
is
that
that
was
a
a
very
contentious
process,,
especially
on
occupancy
limits..
As
I
recall,
it,
was
a
pretty
close
vote,.
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
and,,
as
I
recall,
quite
a
lot,
was
written
about
it
and
said
about
it
in
public
in
newspaper
editorials.
at
city
council
meetings,.
So
I
think
that
there
is
a
lot
of
previous
sentiment
to
draw
upon..
I
suspect
that
most
of
the
major
arguments
that
we're
going
to
hear
about
it
in
the
future.
we've
also
heard
about
in
the
past,.
C
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
um,,
and
why
do
people
want
these
things?
um,?
You
know
what
are
the
reasons
in
favor
and
the
reasons
against?
and
really
try
to
detail
that
rationale,,
because
I
suspect
that
we
pretty
much
understand
the
playing
field,.
C
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
and
I
think
um,
you
know
I
did
not
watch
that
city
council
meeting..
I
would
be
surprised
if
they
said,
we're
not
going
to
take
any
more
public.
input,
we're
just
gonna
craft
something
and
vote
on
it..
I
think
my
understanding
is.
what
they
said
is,
they
did
not
want
to
restart
from
ground
zero
from
scratch
with
a,
you
know,.
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
but
I'm
fairly
certain
that
they
would
expect
that
there
will
be
public
outreach
components,
just,,
maybe
not
as
extensive
as
something
like
the
east
boulder.,
so
community
plan
that
started
from
zero
and
took
three
years,
and
was
extremely
extensive
in
terms
of
public
outreach,.
So
I
think
it
would
be
worthwhile
to
try
to
map
what
we
think
we
have
heard
so
far,.
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
I
know
for
myself.
um!
for
the
next
time.
We
talk
about
this,
I'm
going
to
make
sure
that
I
read
that
documents
that
have
put
together,
that
I
think
was
forwarded
to
us
as
a
board,,
and
I
haven't
read
it
yet
with
their
recommendations
on
a
to
use,,
which
I
think,
is
what
city
council
was
acting
upon..
So
I
want
to,.
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
understand
what
that
process
was,
and
what
their
recommendations
were..
I'm
going
to
go
back
and
read
and
watch
that
meeting
that
video
of
the
discussion
that
city
council
had
about
this..
So
I
can
understand
what
exactly
they
were
saying
about:
um,
the
extensiveness
of
public
input,
and
what
their
expectations
are
and
their
direction
to
staff..
C
Pb,
laura
kaplan:,
and
I
would
encourage
my
fellow
board
members.
If
you
have
not
done
those
two
things.,
I
hope
we
would
all
do
them
together,
so
that
we
can
approach
it
from
the
same
basis
of
information.
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
and,
if
folks
have
other
things
that
they
think
we
should
all
be
reading
or
watching,
or
educating
ourselves
about
um,.
In
addition
to
what
staff
will
will
bring
forward
to
educate
us
with.,
I
am
completely
open
to
to
learning
about
all
of
these
things,
and
a
different
perspectives
and
concerns
that
have
been
expressed.
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
so.
um,,
brad,
I'm!.
I'm
super
excited
to
hear
about
the
priorities
for
the
next
year..
I
wish
you
good
luck
in
your
tasks,
and
also
big.
Congratulations
on
your
your
three
rehires.
um!.
Are
you
at
full
staffing
at
this
point,
or
do
you
still
have
positions
open?.
M
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:,
yet.
coming.,
but
brad
mueller,
cob:
in
department-wide
is
another
issue,
too..
It's
it's
just
a
tough
labor
merger.
C
M
A
A
A
A
A
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:,
beyond
that.
uh,,
I
I'm
the
mark
and
I
are
both
working
as
lies
on
to
have,.
A
A
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:
they,
are
pushing
hard..
They
have
good
objectives,,
but.
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:,
but
their
full
consideration
of
many
of
the
issues
of
concern,
I
think,
was
was
lacking,,
and
so
I
I
would
just.
M
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
yes,.
There
were
certainly
nuance
in
councils
comments,
about.
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
yeah,.
I
saw
on
the
calendar
that
for
december
there
is
december
twentieth..
There
is
a
matters:
informational.
item:
staff,
debrief
to
planning
board
on
council's,,
two
thousand
and
twenty-three
priorities
and
affordable
housing.
Plans.
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
it
says
matters,
information.,
item
staff,
debrief
to
planning
board
on
city
council,,
two
thousand
and
twenty-three
priorities,
and
affordable
housing
plans.
Your
names
on
that,
brad,,
as
well
as
christopher
and
charles.
N
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:
well,,
I
think.
uh,,
there
might
be
several
issues
from
from
the
board
to
talk
about
mark
sent
a
an
email
a
couple
of
days
ago.
That,,
I
think
now
is
the
time
to
to
let
mark
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
and
see
how
we
respond
and
think
about.
It.
H
Mark
mcintyre:
issues,
or
think
that
what
I've
outlined
in
my
email
is
incorrect
or
doesn't
reflect
our
our
operating
procedures,.
H
H
Mark
mcintyre:
organization,
you
know.
rules
and
procedures
are,
I
find,
I'm.,
I'm
a
structured
person,.
As
my
children
will,
you
know,
uh,
tell
you
with
with
some
degree
that
you
know.
H
Mark
mcintyre:,
they
called
me
sorry,,
so
I
I
I
like
structure,,
I
think.
structure
encourages
both
efficiency.
uh,.
I
think
it
encourages
fairness..
I
think
it
encourages
uh,
even
camaraderie.
and
uh,
as
as
people.
H
Mark
mcintyre:
put
forth
positions,
those
positions
may
be
voted
down.,
they
may
be
voted
up,,
but
they
should
come.
Away.
um,,
knowing
that,.
H
Mark
mcintyre:
that
mark
mcintyre:
that
the
matter
was
fairly
adjudicated,
that
the
game
was
fairly
played,
and
not
that
I
consider
this
a
game
or
a
a
win
lost
thing..
But
I
I'm
that's
the
best
metaphor.
I
can.
I
can
come
forward
with,
and.
H
H
Mark
mcintyre:
city
council
and
the
citizens
of
boulder.
H
Mark
mcintyre:
here
from
us,
and.
H
Mark
mcintyre:,
that
our
thoughts
are
conveyed,,
our
concerns
are
conveyed,
and
that
they're
conveyed
in
a
way
that.
H
Mark
mcintyre:
that
the
community
and
council
can
read
in
a
in
a
fair
and
concise
way.
What
uh,!
What.
H
H
Mark
mcintyre:
and
the
procedures,,
and
and
do
that
now
in
in
a
in
a
calm
time,
when
we
don't
have
a
a
tough
topic
in
front
of
us,,
so
that
when
we
do
get
into
tougher
topics,
um,.
H
Mark
mcintyre:,
the
rules
are
calling
on
a
referee
or
the
calling
out
the
referee,
or
having
people
cheer
from
the
sidelines.
um,.
Let's,
let's
concentrate
on
the
on
the
matter
at
hand.,
so
we
aren't
debating
the
rules..
So
that's
my
little
intro,
and
I'm
curious
what
the
what
the
rest
of
you
have
to
say,.
J
J
J
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
they
can
vote
for
it
while
creating
their
teeth,
pb,
lisa
smith:,
and
that
we
could
trust
staff
to
take
some
notes
showing
that
somebody
didn't
like
a
certain
part,
or
you
know
I
I've
done
that.
I
I've
been
the
one
person
funny
against
something,,
because
I'm
like,,
I
just
really
don't
like
this
thing,
and
I'm
like,,
make
sure
you
put
that
in
the
notes,
you
know,
um,
and
and
and
that
that
was
kind
of
my.
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:
what?,
where
I
was
coming
from,
in
the
way
that
I
conducted
myself
and
approach.
That
meeting
was
that
I
just
I
was
like.:
let's
go
ahead
and
vote
if
you
don't
like
it,
but
against
it,
that's
fine..
We
don't
have
to
come
to
one
hundred
percent
consensus
on
everything..
We
don't
have
to
split
everything
off
into
little
pieces,.
J
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:
you're
muted.
N
Pb,,
jorge
boone:,
sorry
I'm.,
I'm
just
I'm
agreeing
with
lisa
all
day
long
today..
I
I
I'm
looking
at
your
email
to..
I
I
think
number
one
is
easy.
number
two.
N
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
is
again,.
I
I
think
anyone
can
make
any
motion..
I'm
sorry.
If
we're
going
to
refer
to
mark's
email,
we
should
probably
pull
it
up
on
the
screen
so
that
members
of
the
public
can
see
it
because
they
may
not
have
seen
it..
So
we're
going
to
talk
about
number
one
and
number
two..
Let's
just
make
that
transparent.
N
Pb,,
jorge
boone:
alright,,
so
as
I
was
mentioning,,
I
number
one.,
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
number
two
in
general..
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
either..
I
I
think
that's
the
way
that
planning
board
has
operated
that
anyone
can
make
any
motion.
at
the
end
of
a
vote.
N
N
N
Pb,
jorge
boone:,
what
we're
actually
doing
as
a
board.,
the
the
vote
that
we
were
that
we
that
this
came
up
on
was
actually
a
pretty
simple
one..
We
were
talking
about
three
things,,
but
those
three
things
could
either
easily
be
thirty
things,
and
our
meetings
could
get
sabotaged
by
trying
to
go
into
minutia
on
from
anyone's
perspective.
um,.
N
Pb,
jorge
boone:,
so
pb,,
jorge
boone:.
I
I
and
I
don't
think
that's
the
way
anybody
of
our
boards
or
council
actually
operates.
um!.
What
I
would
suggest
that
isn't
in
here
that
I've
been
thinking
about
to
make
sure
that
people's
voices
are
heard.
Properly.
um!-
and
I
would
put
this
up
for
a
suggestion-
is,.
N
Pb,,
jorge
boone:
um!
and,
at
the
end
of
the
vote
in
those
particular
minutes
that
members
who
want
to
explain
why
they
voted
the
way
they
did,
and
what
they
opposed
in
that
vote,.
Even
if
they
went
for
it,
or
what
they,.
N
Pb,
jorge
boone:
what
they,,
what
they
thought
was
good
about
for
that
vote,,
even
though
they
would
against
it..
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
have
a
a
simple
summary
at
the
end
of
the
vote
like
that
where
people
could
express
themselves.,
so
we
don't
get.,
we
don't
get
into
that.
Minutia.
that,
I
think,
is
a
very
dangerous
precedent.
N
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:
okay,
do
we
have
mark
mcintyre:
mark,
go
ahead.,
so
I
I
I
wanted
to
respond
to
this,
and
I
and
I
I
didn't.,
I
didn't
put
everything
in
the
email,
and
you
know
I
just
said,,
let's,
let's,
let's
have
this
discussion,.
H
H
Mark
mcintyre:
motions
on
minutia.
H
N
H
H
H
Mark
mcintyre:,
I'm
looking
at
the
minutes
where
you
and
sarah
were
gone
of
the
east,,
bold
or
subcommittee
plan,,
or
the
second
round
of
of
the
votes.
H
H
Mark
mcintyre:
on
the
every
every
set
of
minutes
I
have,
from
the
last
whole
bunch
of
meetings,.
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
Mark
mcintyre:
someone
to
vote
pb,,
jorge
boone:
against
something
that
they're
actually
ninety
percent
for..
I
got
to
interrupt
you
because
you
use
the
word
force
a
few
times,
and
if
you
rewind
that
meeting.,
what
you
will
find
is
we
actually
laura
made
all
the
motions
she
wanted.
N
H
Mark
mcintyre:
a.
and
and
you,
you
know:
you're
right.,
you
use
the
rules..
So
how
is
that
forcing?
so?
wait,
wait,
wait,
wait,
wait!
wait.?
How
is
that
in
your
perspective??
How
is
it
forcing?
if
we
use
the
rules
that
you
were
just
talking?
About.
okay,?
Let's
change
the
word.
I'll
change,
the
word.
H
H
H
H
N
N
N
Pb,
jorge
boone:
end
of
story..
I
don't
understand
how
that's
any
different
than
what
you're
saying,.
Just
because
people
don't
like
the
outcome
doesn't
mean
the
the
the
process
is
would
have
been
any
different
under
what
you're
suggesting.
well,
well,.
I
have
a
question.
yeah,
and
that
and
I'm
hoping.
um,,
I'm
thinking
I
remember
this
correctly.,
but
please
correct
me,,
either
georgia
or
mark,,
or
anyone
else,.
If
I'm
remembering
wrong.
J
J
J
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
and
we
said,
no,
no,
no,.
We
don't
want
to
do
it
that
way,
and
then
so
I
mean,
did
didn't
it
start
out
more
tight?
and
then
it
got
lisa..
I
think
you're
missed
remembering
there
was
a
motion
that
staff
presented,
and
then
there
were
two
friendly
amendments.
Offered.
one
of
those
friendly
amendments
was
clearly
going
to
pass
unanimously,.
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
and
one
of
them
was
not,,
and
so
my
suggestion,,
which
I
thought
that
john
agreed
with,
and
hella
agreed
with,-
and
I
guess
hello,
wasn't
there.
elliot,
agreed,
with,
and
brad
agreed
with-
was
that
we
would
take
three
separate
votes
on
the
three
issues,
and
that's
what
I
was
expecting
going
in.,
but
clearly
that
wasn't
unanimously
expected.
C
C
C
C
Pb,
laura
kaplan:,
but
I
think
what
mark
is
trying
to
say
here
is
that
we
do
not
indeed
have
a
precedent;.
That
motions
must
be
combined..
I
agree
with
george..
I
don't
think
that
we
should
be
having
thirty
different
votes
on
minutia,,
but
I
also
agree
with
mark
that,
if
there
is
a
board
member
who
feels
strongly
enough.
C
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
that's
my
position.!
That's
how
I
have
always
functioned.
um,
you
know,
as
a
collaborative
facilitator..
The
most
important
thing
to
me
is
that
we
are
accurately
conveying
how
we
actually
feel
about
something.
and,
of
course
the
board
may
sometimes
choose
to
do
some
horse
trading
and
some
negotiating
and
saying,.
C
C
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
it.
It
was
not
clear
to
me
that
other
board
members
felt
like
their
support,,
for
the
main
motion
was
dependent
upon
having
it
packaged
with
the
the
the
additional
two
policies
being
added
to
the
memo
that
accompanied
our
resolution.
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
um,,
and
maybe
I
misunderstood
that.
and
if
so,
I
apologize
for
misunderstanding,
how
people
were
feeling
about
that
packaging..
It
seemed
to
me
like
it,
was
a
process
question,
and
that
there
was
a
a
feeling
that
the
board
had
some
kind
of
tradition
or
precedent
where
everything
needed
to
be
packaged.
Together,,
and
I
think
that's
what
we're
trying
to
clarify
tonight.
Is.
C
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
prime
example:,
the
bbsd.,
the
boulder
rally
school
district,
modular
factory,
and
the
height
question..
I
wasn't
super
enthusiastic
about
making
that
a
recommendation
to
city
council,,
but
I
went
along
with
it
because
I
didn't
feel
strongly
enough
to
vote
against
it
or
make
a
big
stink
about
it,.
So
I'm
not.,
I'm
not
going
to
do
this.
Every
time,.
C
C
J
J
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
but
when
you
know,
and
I'm
sorry,
I'm
forgetting
your
exact
phrasing
and
it.,
but
I
thought
it
was
really
good.
where
you
said
I'd
like
to..
I
I
think
what
you
said
so
correct
me.
If
I'm,
if
I'm
paraphrasing
you
incorrectly,
was
you
know
deference
that
if
someone
feels
really
strongly
wants
to
split
something
out
that
we
will.
J
J
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:.
If
somebody
wants
to
go
against
it,
fine,
make
sure
the
notes,
you
know.
get
into
the
thing
and
and
and
move
quicker
that
way,,
because
I
appreciate
margaret,,
you
were
saying:
like,
gosh!,
we
got
bogged
down
in
this,
and
it
turned
in
this
whole
long
thing
that
didn't
need
to
be.,
and
I
agree
with
you
that
if
we've
gone
along
with
that
plan,
that
would
also
put
on
faster.,
but
when
I
think
back
to
like,
what
was
the
reason.
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:
why
I
personally
didn't,
pb,
lisa
smith:.
I
think
it's
because
I
was
like,
please,.
Can
we
just
take
a
boat
on
originally
what
staff
put
forward.
not
split
this
into
three
things,,
because
one
person
has
a
certain
thing:
they
want
to
get
into
and
just
take
a
boat,,
you
know,
and
and
if
and
if
it
ends
up
being
a
split
vote
because
of
that,,
then
fine
um,.
J
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
just
just
for
clarification..
In
this
particular
case,
it
wasn't
splitting
up
something
that
staff
had
recommended..
It
was
not
including
extra
things
that
board
members
were
recommending
into
the
main
motion,,
but
voting
on
those
extra
things
separately,
just
just
for
clarification.
A
N
N
Pb,,
jorge
boone:
and
so,,
when
we
talk
about
sort
of
deference
to
board
members
understand
that
position
as
well,
that
there
is
a
balance,
there.
um!
and
there's
always
going
to
be
a
minority
and
majority,,
and
you
will,
you
know,.
All
all
of
us
will
be
on
different
sides
of
that
as
we
go,
and
that's.
N
N
Pb,,
jorge
boone:
could
be
used,
and
and
again,
to
to
mark's
point
th.
the
question
is,
who's,
the
arbiter
of
what's
reasonable
and
what's
not?,
because
I
didn't
think
the
third
part
of
adding
a
note
and
voting
on
that
to
of..
I
I
think
the
third
component
of
it
was
just
like
referencing
a
note..
It
wasn't,,
even
like
a
material
topic,.
N
N
N
Pb,,
jorge
boone:
um.,
so
that's
why
I
made
an
alternate
motion,
and
the
process
that's
outlined
in
in
mark's.
Email
is
exactly
the
process
that
we
followed.
and
if
we
were
to
do
this
again,
someone
could
still
do
that
process.
um!
and
it
would
be
up
to
everybody
to
decide
whether
or
not
to
vote
up
or
down
those
motions..
I
don't
think
anything
really.
Changes.
H
H
H
Mark
mcintyre:,
in
the
minutes
of
our
of
the
of
the
meeting
where
we
did
the
the
cip,,
the
capital
improvements,
program.
H
H
H
Mark
mcintyre:,
uh!
and
then
finally,
a
motion
by
george,
seconded
by
ml.
uh.
to
recommend
the
city
manager,.
The
city
council
need
to
prioritize
the
approved
cip
to
address
unforeseen
resource,,
constraints,
and
and
and
safety.
H
H
Mark
mcintyre:
comedy
amongst
board
members,.
I
think
we
can
both
be
more
efficient,,
spend
less
time,
and
be
more
precise
in
our
message.
H
Mark
mcintyre:
made
motions
or
seconded
motions,
and
they
were
all
unanimous,.
Yet
we
broke
them
up
into
three
pieces..
I
I
think
it's?,
it's
just
like,
hey?.
Why
are
we
actually??
Why
would
we
fight
about
this
when
there
are
certainly
other
battles,.
H
Mark
mcintyre:
or
worthy
of
our
angst?
then,
then,
then,,
respecting
a
board
members
wish,
and
just
having
a
having
a
uh,
a
separate
vote
on
a
on
a
more
precise
motion,.
N
N
N
N
N
N
Pb,,
jorge
boone:,
I
I
I
don't
think
our
process
that's
outlined
in
robert's
rules
suggests
anything
differently..
I
just
think
it's
personally
your
suggestion
of
what's
reasonable
and
what
not
I
disagree.
With,,
because
I
thought
I
was
being
reasonable,
and
I
thought
laura
thought
she
was
being
reasonable,
and
she
probably
thought
I
was
being
unreasonable,.
N
H
Mark
mcintyre:
a
mark
mcintyre:,
a
at
a
level
of
heatedness
that
was
unnecessary
and
a,
and,
and
there
were
proclamations
made.,
we
don't
do
this..
This
is
not
our
procedure.,
and
so,
if
you
go
back
and
watch
the
video,,
I
I
it
it
it.
H
Mark
mcintyre:
anyway,
mark
mcintyre:,
I
I've
had
mark
mcintyre:,
multiple
people
watch
that
segment.
and-
and
I
I
found
it
to
be
ugly.
N
Pb,,
jorge
boone:
yeah,.
I
think
if
you,
what
we
want
to
work
on
things
sort
of
individually
as
board
members,
and
how
we
get
along
better,
and
we
go
out
to
dinner,
and
we
get
to
know
each
other,
and
we
understand
what
our
objectives
are..
I
think
that's
the
way
to
accomplish
that.
what
we
actually
did
in
that.
besides,
besides,,
how
we
got
there
was
actually
the
correct
the
process
that
you're
outlining
here.
N
C
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
and
that
that
is
not
the
board's
process,
and
that
you
convinced
the
rest
of
the
board
that
somehow
the
way
that
it
was
being
framed
was
improper,
and
should
be
voted
down,
and
it
should
all
be
combined..
And
so,
if
we
can
agree,
and
and
I
and
I
appreciated
george,
that
you
said
that
you
didn't
want
to
change
the
process
on
the
fly,.
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
and
that
you
were
open
to
talking
about
our
process
and
making
sure
we're
all
on
the
same
page
about
the
process
going
forward,,
but
that
you
didn't
feel
like
it
should
be
done
in
the
middle
of
a
vote,,
and
I
absolutely
appreciate
that..
So
I'm
glad
we're
talking
about
it.
Tonight,.
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
and
if
we
can
agree
with
the
things
that
mark
has
put
here.,
that
roberts
rules
is
how
we
do
it,
and
that
about
any
board
member
can
make
any
motion
they
want..
That
topics
must
be
topics,
do
not
have
to
be
all
combined
into
one
motion,.
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
that
they
can
be
split
out
if
somebody
wants
to
propose
that.
and
if
other
people
think
that
that's
not
what
they
want
to
vote
for
if
they
think
those
things
are
inseparable,
for
example,
or
if
their
support
for
a
depends
on
b.
as
you..
You
said
that
yours,
did,
george,,
and
that
last
meeting.
C
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
motions
do
not
have
to
be
combined,,
but
they
can
be
combined,
or
they
can
be
split
out.
any
board
member
can
make
any
motion,
and
that
we
operate
by
roberts
rules.,
and
I
love
what
you
said
george,
about
if
things,.
If
somebody
does
feel
like
the
vote,
does
not
reflect
something
that
they
think
should
be
reflected
in
the
minutes
that
they
have
the
opportunity
to
put
that
into
the
minutes.
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
um,.
I
think
that
that's
a
that
all
makes
me
happy..
So
if
that's
where
we
land
tonight,,
I'm
very
happy.
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:,
I
see
brad
has
his
hand
up.
Pb,
john
gerstle:
might
be
able
to
contribute
a
bit.
M
M
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
that
discussion
point.
I've,
seen
groups
and
and
myself.
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
um.,
so
that
that
is
a
very
common
practice,
and
I
just
want
to
share
that
um,
and
and
not
to
get
off
this
line
of
discussion.,
but
just
since
I'm
speaking
and
all
energetics,,
so
that
it's
not
forgotten.
um,.
You
had
asked
staff
to.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
have
a
brad,
mueller,,
cob:,
formal
presentation
or
time
set,.
If
I
side
to
talk
about
process,,
I
believe
we're
team
that
up
with
our
consultant,
don't
hold
me
to
that.
uh,
john,.
I
think
you
and
sarah
talked
about
that
with
charles,
and
I
just
wanted
to
remind
the
group
or
inform
them.
If
you
didn't
know.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
that
we
are
working
towards
that
specific
presentation
and.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
education
topic,
discussion,
topic.
however,.
You
want
to
characterize
that
early
in
the
in
the
new
year,,
so
just
wanted
to
clarify
that.
and,
john,.
You
might
actually
know
more
than
I
do.
Like.
yeah,
in
fact,
there
were
some..
There
were
some
dates
proposed,,
but
I
don't
think
any
decision
has
been
made
on
that
in
a
january.
N
N
Pb,
jorge
boone:,
where
I
don't
necessarily
think
it's
necessary
to
affirm.
more
than
that.
N
N
Pb,
jorge
boone:,
where
we
have
voted
on
a
tremendous
number
of
things,
all
together.,
that
is
a
precedent
of
of
that
vote,
and
we
all
explained
why
we
were
voting,
how
we
were
voting,
and
the
things
that
we
agreed
with
and
didn't
agree
with..
So
I
don't.,
I
don't
believe,
there's
not
precedent
for
something
like
that,.
N
N
Pb,,
jorge
boone:
um,,
but
but
affirming,,
but
but
but
being
specific
about
one
thing
and
not
about
another..
When
we
get
into
the
specificity
of
number
two,
verse,,
just
being
able
to,
as
board
members
make
whatever
motions
we
want,
and
have
the
freedom
to
do.
That.
N
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:
yeah,,
I
agree
with
that.
and
I
think
pb,
lisa
smith:
and
forgive
me
because
I
think
there
are
other
people
who
review
this
meeting
more
recently,.
And
I
haven't
and
thank
you
for
the
corrections
you've
already
made
to
my
recollections
of
something
that
happened
a
while
ago,
and
in
an
emotionally
heated
situation,
and.
J
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:.
I
know
that
may
not
be
what
everybody
wants,,
but
like,
pb,
lisa
smith:,
let's
go
and
like,,
and
and
instead
it
just-
I
don't
know,
um.
and
and
again.
I
think
this
gets
to
the
correction.
You've
already
made
made
about..
You
know
where
it
started
and
what
it
turned
into,
where
it
was
or
wasn't.
Um,.
J
J
J
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
you
know.,
and
so
maybe
that
just
shows
my
preoccupation
and
bias
toward
a
faster
process.,
um,
uh,.
But
but
that
was
kind
of.
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:
from
my
recollection,,
which
I'm
sure
is
not
perfect,
and
I
have
not
reviewed.
um,.
You
know.,
listen
to
the
recording.
um,
yeah.
it
it
felt
like
there
was
this
push,
for,
like
I
don't
know,
and-
and
I
and
I
think
that's
where
I
was
reacting
from
without
having
closely
reviewed
where
it
was
at.
and
and
that's
why,.
When
I
look
at
a
andb,,
I'm
like,
yeah,,
I
don't.
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:
have
any
problem
with
those
on
their
face.,
but
I'm
also
not
sure
that
whether
we
affirm
or
don't,
affirm
those
that
it's
necessarily
going
to
stop
us
from
having.,
and
hopefully
I
I
think
we're
all
speaking
about
this
in
a
in
a
good
way.
um,.
I
hope
we
don't
do
that
again.,
but
I
I
don't
know
if
it's
gonna.
J
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:
mark
bringing
this
forward..
I
appreciate
the
work
that
laura
and-
and
you
know
everyone's
putting
toward
thinking
through
this
and
trying
to
figure
it
out..
I
I
agree
that
you
know
when
and
as
appropriate
as
seeing
each
other
outside
and
continuing
to
work
on.
It
is
important.
um,.
A
H
Mark
mcintyre:
just
to
have
a
conversation,
so
that,
in
in
a
lighter
earlier.
H
G
Pb
ml
robles:,
pb
ml
robles:
suggestion
came
at
that
training
that
we
did.
G
Pb
ml
robles:
at
our
retreat
is,
I
I
think,.
We
need
to
give.
G
G
G
G
Pb
ml
robles:
to
pb
ml
robles:
to
call
the
halt
pb
ml
robles:
to
a
round
and
round.
G
Pb
ml
robles:
to
pb
ml
robles:
to
step
in.
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:
brief
offline
comment
that
sarah
and
I
had
where.
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
pb,,
lisa,
smith:
and,
and
I
there.
there
are
many
things
I
actually
prefer
and
enjoy,
with
with
apologies
to
harmon,
about
john's
leadership,
style..
But
one
strength
of
harmon's
was.
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
sometimes
in
ways
that
I
pushed
back
against
and
didn't
appreciate.
was,
was
kind
of
rapidly
moving
us.
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:
forward
on
on
things
and
kind
of
running
uh,
in
in
my
again..
Sometimes
I
felt
an
overly
tight
ship.,
so
there
are
things
that
I
like
better
about
about
with
the
way
you
do:
things,
john.
but,
um!,
but
I
had
mentioned
to
sarah
kind
of
I
was
like,.
You
know
we
could
maybe
use
a
little
more
of
that.
J
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:
not
enjoying
and
appreciating
john.
still,.
I
I
think
that's
a
good
observation,
ml:
that
that
we,
we
might
all
benefit
from
a
firmer
hand
at
times.
and
and
john
it,
at
least
for
speaking
for
myself,
and
visually
and
kind
of
echoing
at
all,.
You
know.
feel
free
to
exercise
that.
um,,
even
if
I'm
the
one
who
waxing
on
and
on,,
I
I
think.
A
A
A
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
closely,
you've
listened
to
each
other..
I
think
you've
really
embraced
and
embodied.
the
discussion
that
took
place
at
the
retreat.
and
uh,
you
know,
from
a
staff
perspective,.
We
we're
happy
to
support
the
board
in
in
its
many
needs,
and
and-
and
I
just
want
to
express
that
appreciation
and
and
observation
of
you.
This
evening.
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:
is
that
I
think,
when
it
gets
heated,
an
emotional.,
pb,,
lisa
smith:,
and
I
I
know
this
is
true
for
myself
and
perhaps
for
others
as
well..
It's
often
because
I
feel
like
I'm
not
being
heard
like
people
like,
aren't
absorbing
like
what
I'm
saying
and
like..
If
I
just
said
it,
the
right,
way,
or
if
I
sit
in
enough
times,
or
like.
J
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
and
I
really
appreciate
what
george
you
brought
forward
about.
Um,
you
know,
making
sure
that
if
someone
does
agree
with
something
that
we
make
this
face
for
that
to
be
reflected
somewhere,
because
I
think
that's
incredibly
important..
I
think
council
needs
to
see
that
I
think
we,
as
individuals,
need
to
feel
like
we
are
seen
and
heard,
and
that
even
if
people
aren't.
J
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:
again
the
thing
that
haunts
me
most
about
when
we
get
a
longer
heads,
isn't
isn't
even
the
conflict,
right?
necessarily
it's
it's,
you
know.
do,
are
we?.
Does
someone
feel
like
they're
being
shut,
down,
and,
and
I
hope
not,
you
know.
and
just
someone
feel
like
they're,
not
being
heard,
and-
and
I
just
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we.
J
J
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:,
I
noticed
that
shap
is,
is
initiating
the
their
hybrid
meetings
in
person
and
online,
and
I'm
hoping
that,.
We
get
the
chance
to
move
into
that
phase.
Also
pretty
soon.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
yeah,
thank
you,.
Mr.
chair.,
you
know
I'm
sorry.,
I
didn't
think,
to
mention
that
earlier
we
have
been
encouraged
to
move
to
hybrid,,
which
means
live
for
you
all
as
soon
as
possible,
and-
and
we
absolutely
want
to
a
staff,-
and
we
know
you
do
as
as
board
members
as
well.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
one
thing:
that's
a
little
bit
unique
about
planning
board
and
landmarks
for
in
in
particular,
is
the
need
to
have
the
clear
dias
from
the
area
of
the
audience..
As
you
know,,
some
of
the.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
generate
larger
crowds,,
and
so
that's
not
a
consideration
of
theirs,,
but
in
light
of
that,
and
for
consistency.
We're
waiting
until
we
can
get
into
the
council
chambers
to
be
able
to
pull
the
hybrid
meetings
and
to
do
that
requires
some
training
and
new
equipment.
in
in
the
chamber.
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:
okay,,
well,,
pb,,
lisa
smith:,
so
keep
trying.
keep
keep
working
on
and
brag..
I
just
want
to
clarify..
So
did
I
correctly
understand
that
when.
J
M
Brad
mueller,,
cob:
and
frankly,.
That
might
be
something
for
the
board
to
consideration,
brenda,.
I
don't
know
as
we
kind
of
move
forward
if
we
can
keep
that
question
in
mind
as
well.
B
Brenda
ritenour
(she/her):
yes,.
I
was
just
making
a
note
to
myself
to
bring
that
up
the
next
time.
I
have
a
check
in
with
sarah,
that
um!.
That
request
is
coming
from
planning
board,
that
we
have
some
sort
of
consistent
policy
around
expected
board
attendance,,
either
in
person
or
um,,
whether
you
can
be
hybrid
as
well.
J
Pb,,
lisa,
smith:
and-
and
perhaps
this
is
something
to
have
a
conversation
about
at
a
future
session-
again,
not
trying
to
make
this
meeting
longer,
though
at
least
it's
not
as
late
as
it
usually
is.
um!,
but
for
myself,
as
the
parent
of
a
young
child,.
You
know
it
showing
up
one
night,
a
month,,
maybe
even
two
nights,
a
month.
might
be
absorbable,.
You
know,,
when
we.
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:
move
to
three,
or
if
I've
got
a
sick,
kid,
or
you
know
I,
I
can
see
a
lot
of
situations
where
I
would
be
out,
you,
know,
and
and
potentially,.
We
might
not
make
forum,
or
I
might
not
be
able
to
carry
out
my
duties.,
um,
or
like..
I
know
sarah
has
to
travel
quite
a
bit
for
work..
I
don't..
I
don't
know
if
other
folks
do.
Um,
so
it'd
be
nice
to
have
a
consistent
policy,
and
my
preference
would
be
that.
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:
and
also,
pb,
lisa
smith:.
If
we
always
have
to
be,,
I
think
we
may
have
lower
attendance,
and
or
you
know,
when
we
look
to
add
more
people
to
to
to
playing
board
the
other,.
It's
gonna
shut
it
down
for
a
lot
of
folks
uh,,
including
potentially,.
Some
folks
we
already
have
on
the
board.
um,,
so
just
want
to
name
that,.
B
Brenda
ritenour,
(she/her):
and
I'll
just
share,
if
I
may,
that
what
council
is
currently
doing
is
that
if
they
have
a
reason
that
they
need
to
attend
the
meeting
from
home,,
they
have
been
allowed
to
do
that.
um.,
so
council
member
friend
was
not
feeling
well
a
few
weeks
ago,
and
she
attended
on
zoom
um.
in
addition,.
They
do
all
of
their
study
sessions.
virtually
still,
and
that's
the
plan
going
forward.
B
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
so
it's
really
only
for
their
business
meetings,
where
they're
making
decisions
that
they
strive
to
be
in
person.
yeah,.
I
think
if,
if
we
feel
like
that
can
be
done
in
a
way,
that's
full
of
everyone
that
would
be.
that
would
be
nice.
because
again,
yeah,
I
hate
to
like,,
call
out
and
be
like
well,.
I
have
a
mild
cold
like,,
so
I'm
just
not
going
to
show
up,
or
if
I
could
call
in.
H
Mark
mcintyre:,
I
didn't
know
about
other
people's
travel
schedule,.
I
I'm
planning
on
being
available
for
it.
um,.
I
I
I
haven't,
looked
at
the
calendar
to
see
what
the
genet
topic
is,,
but
that
would
certainly
seem
to
be
one.
H
Mark
mcintyre:
that
if
it's
some
big
site,
review,
or
a
critical
thing
that,,
you
know
it
would
be
susceptible
to
for
attendance
given
as
proximity
and
people's
travel..
So
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
that
that
it's
two
concepts,
reviews,
mark.,
just
so,,
you
know.,
so
thanks.
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
sarah..
I
don't
know
what
you
were
looking
at,,
but
when
I
look
at
the
planning
and
development
services
calendar
for
december,
you're
talking
about
december
twentieth,
right,
mark.
F
M
C
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
and
uh,.
I
sent
some
dates
in
the
chat
that
I
will
not
be
available
in
january
for
a
meeting
with
marrow,
and
planning
to
make
all
of
our
planning
board
meetings..
But
if
we're
adding
something
in
early
january,
I
am
out
for
a
considerable
stretch
in
between
planning
board
meetings.