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vivian
castro-wooldridge,
cob:
yes,?
We
can.
great,
thank
you
so
much,
and
thank
you.
everyone
from
the
public
for
joining
us
today..
My
name
is
vivian
castro
wildridge..
My
role
in
planning
board
meetings
is
to
facilitate
the
public
engagement
parts,,
and
I
just
want
to
really
appreciate
you
for
being
here
with
us.
Tonight.
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Vivian
castro-wooldridge,
cob:
for
such
public
meetings,,
which
we
hope
are
meaningful
and
inclusive;,
and
this
vision
is
really
designed
to
promote
free
conversation
and
dialogue;,
while
also
recognizing
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone
participating
feels
safe
and
welcome,.
And
we
want
to
ensure
that
we
make
space
for
different
viewpoints
in
our
meetings..
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Vivian
castro-wooldridge,
cob:,
obscenities,,
racial
epithets,
and
other
speech
and
behavior
that
disrupts
the
meeting,
or
otherwise
makes
it
impossible
for
us
to
continue
in
the
moment
is
prohibited,,
and
we
do
also
ask
that
participants
identify
themselves
by
the
name,
they're
commonly
known,
and
display
your
first
and
last
name
as
possible..
You
can
right
click.
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Lynn,
segal:,
the
issues
with
the
landmarks
are
going
to
be
well.,
we
give
them
the
landmarks,
and
they
need
to
get
something
in
return.
no,.
They
don't
need
to
get
something
new
in
return.
landmarks
needs
to
decide..
Do
we
want
that
ally
position,?
And
we
can
revitalize
our
alleys
at
this
rate,
because
it
faces
the
alley,
that.
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Alison
blaine
(she|hers):
right?,
alison
blaine,
(she|hers):
good
evening
planning
for
members.
it's
nice
to
meet
you
all
for
the
first
time..
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you
more
in
the
future..
This
presentation
is
for
a
user
view
to
allow
personal
services
in
an
existing
office
park
on
our
apostles.
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Alison
blaine
(she|hers):,
the
subject
site
is
approximately
3
acres,
and
comprised
of
2
parcels
located
at
the
southeast
for
a
flip
hills,
parkway,
and
a.
the
site
is
also
known
as
the
viewpoint
office
park,,
and
it's
made
up
of
4
office
buildings..
I've
shown
them
here
on
the
slide
with
the
addresses.
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Alison
blaine
(she|hers):,
the
site
is
zoom
residential
high
for,
and
the
r.
h.
4
zone
district
is
described
as
the
hide
and
see
residential
areas
primarily
used
for
a
variety
of
types
of
attached.
Residential
units,,
including
without
limitation,,
a
permanent
buildings
and
more
complementary
uses,
may
be
allowed.
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Alison
blaine
(she|hers):,
and
that
brings
us
to
the
proposed
project..
For
this
evening,
staff
received
2
business
licenses
for
acupuncture
and
massage
therapy
uses
to
operate
within
the
viewpoint
office
park.
for
some
context..
Every
new
business
is
reviewed
for
zoning
conformance
through
a
business
license.
Application.
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Alison
blaine
(she|hers):
that
approved
general
offices,,
but
specifically
excluded
medical
and
dental
offices.
At
the
time
in
1,991.,
the
proposed
uses
were
considered
healing
arts,
and
were
included
in
the
medical
office
use..
Therefore,
these
uses
were
not
permitted
as
part
of
the
original
put
and
special
review.
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Alison
blaine
(she|hers):,
the
existing
site
has
4
2
story
buildings,
and
the
application
does
not
propose
any
changes
to
the
existing
operating
characteristics
or
the
physical
building
form,
floor.
Area,
and
setbacks
will
not
be
changing
as
part
of
this
proposal..
The
site
has
a
158
parking
spaces,,
as
required
for
the
code.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
try
to
get
rid
of
the
ped
and
go
back
to
the
underlying
zoning.
well,.
That
is
good
to
know,,
and
if
the
owners
didn't
know
that
before
they
know
it
now,
and
it
sounds
like
planning.
board-
would
certainly
be
amenable
to
that.
Happening..
Not
that
we
would
try
to
encourage
that
or
anything
like
that.,
but.
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Kim
lord:,
so
actually
I'm
presenting
on
behalf
of
the
applicant.,
I'm
not
here
for
public
comment.,
so
there
was
a
little
bit
of
a
glitch
there..
I
think
so.
I'm
here
also
with
my
clients,
and
was
gonna,
give
a
really
short
presentation..
So
I
think
technically,
we're
not
part
of
the
public
comment,
and
I
don't
know..
Are
you
gonna
turn
the
camera
on
vivian?
or
how
do
we
go
about
this?.
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Kim
lord:,
so
I'm
kim,,
lord
and
I'm.,
a
lawyer
here
in
town
with
packard,,
dear
king,,
and
I
represent
the
applicant..
The
viewpoint
ownership.
brian
and
charlotte
shiffrin
are
also
on
this
call
and
are
here
for
the
applicant
as
well..
I'm
not
expecting
them
to
say
anything.
Unless
the
planning
board
has
questions
for
them.
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Kim
lord:
and
his
wife.
charlotte
is
also
an
owner
in
the
property,
and
they
are
both
long
term
older
residents..
So
you
know
they
are
here.,
they
are
available,
and
we
definitely.
We
just
wanted
planning
board
to
know
that
we're
paying
attention
to
this,
and
we're
involved,,
and
I
have
my
clients
here.
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Kim
lord:,
it
is
an
old
ped
from
1,991..
I
love
the
little
discussion
that
went
on
here
with
charles
pharaoh,
and
I
agree
a
100%
with
charles
that
the
pd.
zoning
is
effectively
there,
unless
it
until
we
would
ever
want
it
to
go
away.
and
it's
kind
of
an
interesting
quirky
issue
that
tends
to
come
up
in
boulder.
Where
you
have
these
zoning
overlays.
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Kim
lord:
and
the
definition
of
medical
office
changed
and
took
out
alternative
health
care
providers,
and
switched
it
over
to
personal
services..
So
that's
why
we
have
this
sort
of
glitchy
situation
with
the
property
is
that
there
is
actually
a
code
change,,
and
I
think
it
was
like
in
2,007.
allison,
actually
researched
this
and
told
me.,
and
that's
how
we
end
up
with
like.
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Kim
lord:
one
floor
that
has
one
level
of
personal
service
use
in
it
not
being
available
elsewhere..
So
the
point
of
this
use.
review
is
to
clean
up
the
record
and
make
the
uses
allow
consistent
throughout
the
building,,
and
this
whole
situation
came
up
when
we
had
a
new
tenant
who
does
acupuncture
and
chinese
medicine.
dr.
corka,,
who
went
into
the
city.
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Kim
lord:
care
provider
use
was
no
longer
allowed
in
a
medical
building,,
so
we
end
up
with
this
litchy
situation,
and
thankfully,
allison.,
but
I
can't
believe
this
is
our
first
hearing,,
but
she
took
a
deep
dive..
It's
the
history
of
this,
which
isn't
that
easy
to
figure
out
and
coming
up
with
like,
when
the
code
was
revised,
and
we
were
able
to
figure
out..
You
know
what
happened
with
this
change
in
the
definition.
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Kim
lord:
and
after
her
detective
work,
we
were
able
to
collaboratively,
you
know,
figure
out
what
kind
of
application
to
submit
and
what
was
appropriate..
So
that's
what
we
submitted,
and
our
desire
is
to
just
clean
up
what
is
effectively
a
strange
issue.
That's
occurring
here
for
alternative
health
care
providers,
which
are
actually
an
important
use
for
the
site.
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Kim
lord:,
so
that's
really
it
from
us..
I
I
didn't
think
there
was
going
to
be
a
whole
lot
to
present,,
because
allison's
memo
was
super
thorough,
and
we
we
feel
like
this
is
a
pretty
straightforward
use:
application
to
clean
up
the
record
I'm.
available
to
answer
any
questions
you
have.,
I
have.,
as
I
indicated,
brian
shiffrins,
on
this
call,
and
he
is
the
property
manager
for
the
shite,
side,
and
charlotte
shiffrin,.
His
wife,
is
one
of
the
owners.
she
isn't.
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Lynn
segal:,
like
lynn,
segal:
8
people
to
10
people
in
a
4,000
square,
foot
place,
using
one
kitchen,
but
zone
it
so
they
have
2
refrigerators,
and
yet
it's
much
more
efficient
use.
there's
one
washer
dryer
for
4,000
square
feet,
and
with
10
people
in
that
place,
or
8
people,.
Whatever
you
want,
like.
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Lynn,
segal:
services
that
I
use.
that
I
feel
are
important.,
but
the
whole
board
and
a
public
hearing
needs
to
determine
what
the
services
are
that
this
community
needs..
I
would
grant
you
to
say
that
they
want
a
frigging
drugstore
in
the
neighborhood
that
they
want,
you
know,
the
essential
services.
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witt,
cob:,
yeah,
sure,.
I
can
help
with
this..
So
in
the
memo
that
alison
drafted
there,
some
suggested
motion
language
which
you're
welcome
to
use,
or
you
can
change
it..
So
any
member
of
the
board
is
allowed
to
make
a
motion
once
that
motion
is
on
the
table,
there's
a
couple
of
options..
Somebody
can
second,
that
motion.
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laurel
witt,
cob:.
Then
the
chair
goes
through
and
reads
the
motion
out
loud..
At
that
point
you
can
have
discussion
about
it.
and
either
create
more
amendments
to
motion,,
which
we
may
see,,
maybe
in
in
the
edu
and
the
next
public
hearing.,
but
in
this
public
hearing,.
If
you
wanted
to
make
any
sort
of
changes.
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witt,
cob:,
but
the
idea
here
is,,
it's
not
a
formal
amendment..
Once
the
motion
is
part
of
the
board.,
it's
more
of
a
tweak
or
adjustment,,
and
we
call
it
a
friendly
amendment,
as
in
like.,
it's
not
something
to
completely
change
the
motion..
Necessarily
it's
more
of
a
friendly
moment
to
to
change
the
language,.
The
suggested
language.
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Laurel
witt,
cob:
change
things
before
it
gets
to
a
full
motion
of
the
board.
now,.
If
you're
talking
about
an
amendment.,
so
you're
working
on
an
ordinance,-
and
you
want
to
include
an
amendment
language
in
that
motion.,
then
that
would
be
something
you
would
do
after
the
chair
announces
that
it's
more
of
a
larger
amendment,
or
maybe
some
sort
of
tweak
to
the
motion.
Itself.
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Laurel
witt,
cob:
something
a
little
bit
different,,
but
a
friendly
amendment
is
yes,
when
the
first
person
makes
the
motion,.
If
somebody
says,
hey,
I'd
like
to
change
this
language,
a
little
bit,
and
laura
says,
oh,,
I'm
sorry
board
member.
m.
kaplan
says,
yes,,
that's
great.!
Then
it
can
move
forward.
That
way.
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Laurel
witt,
cob:,
I
would
recommend
doing
it
now
before
you
move
into
the
motion
process..
What
I've
seen
other
boards
do
is
do
do
it
at
the
very
beginning
of
a
public
hearing..
We
could
do
it,,
set
it
up
that
way
in
the
future.,
but
for
this
one
I'd
recommend
before
you
vote..
If,
if
anyone
does
have
a
concern,,
let
me
talk
about
him.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
you
can
see
the
graphic
on
the
side.
In
boulder.
we
have
2
types
of
8
to
use,.
We
have
attached
to
to
use,,
which
could
be
like
an
attic
apartment
or
a
basement
apartment,,
and
then
we
also
have
detached
to
use,,
which
means
that
it's
in
a
separate
structure..
But
what
an
edu
really
is
is
a
small
residence.
That's
sharing
a
lot
with
a
larger
main
house.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:
we've
also
been
hosting
office
hours
for
people
to
come
to
to
ask
questions
about
the
ordinance..
We
have
one
earlier
this
week,
and
then
we'll
have
another
one
in
a
couple
of
weeks.
and
then
overall.
we'll
have
the
typical
public
hearing
process..
So
we
went
to
the
housing
advisory
board
a
few
weeks,
ago.
we're
here
tonight,
and
then
the
as
is
typical
with
ordinance..
It
then
goes
through
to
city
council,,
where
there
will
be
another
public,
hearing.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:
a
quick
summary
of
the
input
that
we've
heard
so
far
in
2023,.
You
all
received
any
written
public
comments..
Those
were
attached
to
your
memo
and
in
your
packet.,
so
you've
seen
many
of
those,
as
well
as
received
several
emails
in
the
last
few
days.
Is,,
in
addition
to
what
was
in
your
packet.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:,
but
as
a
general
overview,,
the
public
comments
that
we've
heard
in
writing
so
far
are
kind
of
twofold..
So
there's
some
support.
We're
hearing
support
for
changes
from
some
with
a
desire
to
even
go
further
than
what
the
the
ordinance
proposes,
as
well
as
hearing
concerns
from
others.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:,
and
it
was
a
really
great
event
in
february..
It
was
about
25
representatives
of
different
neighborhood
organizations,,
the
university
and
some
other
advocacy
groups
where
we
all
came
together
and
had
a
great
conversation
about
the
issues
and
opportunities
related
to
the
various
code.
Changes,,
including
these
eightyu
changes
that
you're
looking
at
tonight.
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Lisa
houde,
cob::
we
also
have
been
discussing
the
changes
with
city.
Council.-
we
had
a
study
session
with
them
in
january..
At
that
study
session
city
council
indicated
support
for
eliminating
the
saturation
limits,
increasing
the
size
limits,
and
also
undertaking
several
changes
to
clarify
and
improve
the
process
of
a
to
use.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:.
I
know
we've
gone
through
this
as
a
matters
item
before,,
but
it
just
a
brief
overview
of
the
evaluation
that
was
completed..
So
you
all
are
familiar
with
the
last
major
update
of
the
edu
regulations
was
adopted
in
2,018,
and
put
into
effect
in
2,019.
and
so
for
several
months..
Last
year
we
spent
time
evaluating
and
creating
an
evaluation
of
those
changes.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:,
we
also
completed,,
along
with
the
evaluation.
We
completed
research
of
comparable
cities.,
so
this
was
looking
at
34
different
cities
around
the
country
that
are
comparable
to
boulder
in
some
way
whether
a
lot
of
them
were
university.
Towns,,
a
similar
population,
size,,
similar
population,
density,
things
like
that.
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
the
first
none
of
the
cities
that
we
studied
have
a
saturation
limit
for
a
to
use..
So
we
did
some
further
research..
So
none
of
those
cities
in
the
comparable
city
that
we
looked
at
had
that.,
but
we
did
some
further
research
to
find
other
cities
throughout
the
country
that
might
use.
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N
N
lisa,
houde,,
cob:
boulders,
maximum
size
of
detached
to
use
appear
to
be
smaller
than
most
cities,,
although,
if
you
look
at
colorado,,
colorado
tends
to
trend
smaller,
so
about
600
to
a
1,000
square
feet
as
a
maximum,.
But
generally
I'm
looking
at
all
of
these
comparable
cities
around
800
square
feet,
or
a
percentage
of
the
principal
structure,
is
kind
of
the
most
typical.
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N
N
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
we'll
start
with
the
saturation
limit,
which
I
know.
we
discussed
at
the
matters
item
in
january
as
well,,
but
for
those
who
might
not
have
been
in
attendance..
The
saturation
limits
that
exist
in
boulder
only
applies
to
the
rl.
one
and
rl.
2
zoning
districts..
Those
are
our
low
density,
residential
districts.
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:
and
it's
a
saturation
limit
of
20..
So
essentially,
this
graphic
shows
it
in
kind
of
the
simplest
form
possible..
But
if
there
were
10
properties
within
300,,
a
300
foot
radius.
only
2
of
those
properties
or
20
could
have
an
accessory
dwelling
in
it..
There's
some
nuance
in
the
code,
too,,
where.
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N
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
but
we
need
to
confirm
that
our
area
is
not
saturated
first..
How
do
we
do
that
without
creating
a
whole
full
application,,
submitting
the
fee.
things
like
that.?
So
that's,
what's
really
unique
about
the
saturation
limit
is
that
it
changes
over
time.,
so
you
may.,
you
might
ask..
The
city
in
january
is
my
area
saturated?.
We
would
say.
N
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
we
might
say,
yes,
you're,
okay,
right
now.,
but
what,
by
the
time
you
submit
your
application.
In
the
summer
your
neighbor
has
already
gotten
their
eightyu
approval,
and
now
you
are
no
longer
able
to
do
an
ad
you..
So
that's
just
work..
It's
a
zoning
standard
that
doesn't
really
work
like
any
other
zoning
standard..
So
it's
definitely
quite
unique..
N
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:-
I
mentioned
that
our
code
has
evolved
significantly
since
1,983.
This
graphic
summarizes
all
of
the
different
zoning
standards
that
would
apply
to
the
design
and
location
of
an
accessory
dwelling
unit..
This
is
kind
of
a
typical
7,000
square
foot
lot
in
our
rl.
one
zoning
district..
So
we
have.
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N
N
N
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
and
so
I
think,
I'm
almost
to
the
with
clarifying
questions
just
the
next
slide..
So
this
is
all
just
to
show
that
there
are
significant
zoning
standards
that
regulate
and
can
help
to
mitigate
the
impact
of
a
to
use.,
and
this
is
what?
when
we
looked
at
all
those
comparable
cities
that
don't
use
saturation
limits,,
they
rely
on
standards
like
these
to
mitigate
the
impacts
of
a
to
use.
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
the
proposed
code
change.
this
very-
can
stop
for
questions,.
But
the
proposed
change
that
in
the
ordinance
is
to
eliminate
the
saturation
limit
of
20,,
so
there
would
no
longer
be
a
saturation
limit
in
the
rl.
one
and
all,
2
zoning
districts
like
sarah..
I
can
take
your
question
now..
Can
you
just
go
back
to
that
previous
slide.
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N
Lisa
houde,
cob:
no.
so
the
only
so
all
of
the
blue
and
green.
Those
all
just
apply
to
principal
and
accessory
structures.
The
yellow
is
a
to
use..
Those
would
all
stay
the
same,,
with
the
exception
of
the
maximum
size,,
the
actual
maximum
size.
Changing.,
that's
also
proposed
in
the
ordinance,,
but
everything
else
stays
the
same.
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N
Lisa
houde,
cob:
thanks,
emily.
yeah,,
that's
a
great
opportunity
to
clarify,,
as
we
have
gotten
several
public
comments
on
that.
so,.
As
I
mentioned
in
80.,
you
can
only
be
legally
established
where
the
owner
occupies,,
so
I'm
not
certain
of
the
exact
numbers,,
but
I
think
the
the
university
hill
neighborhood
does
have
a
significant
number
of
rental
properties..
So
if
the
owner
is
not
occupying
the
property,,
an
80
unit
cannot
be
established,
and
we
do
check
that
at
the
application.
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:
stage
they
have
to
prove
their
owner
occupancy.,
that's
one
of
the
main
requirements
for
any
ad
you..
They
also
have
to
record
a
declaration
of
use,
swearing
that
they
will
continue
to
live
there,
and
there
are
enforcement
opportunities..
If
there
are
any
issues
with
owner
occupancy,,
we
can
enforce
that
through
our
enforcement
program
as
well.
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K
K
D
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N
Lisa
houde,
cob:
exactly
so..
If
I
say
a
lot
was
allowed
3,000
square
feet
total,
they
can
either
put
that
into
all
one
large
house
or
the
80.
You
would
be
subject
to
that
same
3,000,,
you
know,.
If
the
a.
to
use
500
square
feet,,
the
house
can
be
2,500
square
feet.,
so,
however,.
You
want
to
accommodate
that
size.
N
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:
alright.,
so
the
next
topic
is
the
size
limits
for
a
to
use.
so,.
Going
back
to
this
graphic
and
seeing
these
attached
versus
detached,,
the
size
limits
actually
differ
based
on
attached
and
detached..
So
an
attached
eightyu
currently,
is
allowed
to
be
one
third
of
the
size
of
the
main
house,
or
1,000
square
feet..
N
N
N
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
typical
550
square
feet,
or
one
third
or
a
1,000..
I
just
wanted
to
show
some
examples
of
some
of
the
larger
ones
that
were
designated
as
affordable
a
to
use.,
so
you
can
see,
one
on
the
top..
Is
this
about
a
700
square
foot
80.
you
picture
on
the
left
shows
what
you
see
from
the
street.
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N
N
N
L
L
L
L
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
I
would
have
to
dig
into
the
code
to
see
the
exact
cause..
I
know
we
have
specific
standards
related
to
covered
walkways
and
things
like
that,,
but
the
attached
unit
really
does
have
to
be
attached
to
the
structure.
however,.
We
use
that
definition..
So
if
it,,
if
it
qualified
as
that,,
we
would
call
it
attached.
N
N
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:
that
ad
use
have
a
special
way
of
measuring
floor
area
that
it
basically
confuses
everyone
that
has
to
deal
with
it.,
and
so
the
proposal
in
the
ordinance
is
to
just
use
the
floor
area
definition
that
we
use
for
every
other
building
so
that
it
would
strike
the
unique
eightyu
floor
area.
Measurement.
N
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:
of
the
principal
unit
or
a
1,000
square
feet..
So
that's
what's
been
currently
allowed
for
affordable
units..
So
you
saw
a
couple
of
examples
of
those.
and
then
for
detached.
It
would
be
increasing
from
550
square
feet
to
800
square
feet.
Again,!
That's
the
current
limit
for
a
affordable,
detached
day
to
use.
N
Lisa
houde,,
cob:
and
then,
in
order
to
preserve,
preserve,
the
incentive
for
affordable
a
to
use,
we've
correspondingly
increased
the
allowed
size
for
the
affordable,
units,
and
also
historic
units
which
have
a
similar
incentive,.
So
an
affordable
attached
would
be
increased
to
2
thirds
of
the
principal
size
of
the
structure.
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N
D
D
Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
or
is
it
just
either
of
these?,
laura
kaplan,
pb:
it's,?
Whichever
is
less,,
whichever
is
less
so,,
that's
kind
of
unsaid.,
but
for
all
of
the
dark
gray,
it
should
say,,
whichever
is
less.
oh,
yep,
thank
you.
okay.
attention
to
detail.
thanks.,
just
just
curious,,
because
it
two-thirds
of
the
principal
unit
could
be
quite
large.,
so
yeah,
sorry..
That
is
that
in
the
ordinance
it's,,
whichever
is
less,,
whichever
is
less.
okay.
thank
you.
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B
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:
yeah,,
so
the
intent
of
the
unique
floor
area
measurement
was
essentially
for
hey,
bale
construction
like
really
thick
walls.,
and
so
it
was
to
6
inches
within
the
the
wall.
so
yeah,.
It
would
just
be
to
the
exterior
framing
now,,
which
is
how
we
measure
every
other
structure
for
floor
area..
B
N
Pb,
sarah
silver:.
This
is
why
the
unique,,
the
unique,
edu,
for
it
is
confusing
as
well..
I
think
he
might
have
an
answer.
yeah.
oh,
yeah,
go
ahead,,
girl,
all
smiling
face.
yeah,
I
mean
it.,
it
would
go
to
exterior
framing.
or
if
you
have
an
like
a
material
on
the
outside,
like
brick,.
It
goes
to
the
exterior
of
that
material.
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:
it?
yes,.
It
would
be
more
restrictive
if
you,,
if
you
were
building
a
hey,
bale,
construction,
or
like
extra
thick
walls,,
the
proposed
ordinance
would
be
more
restrictive
for
that
type..
Over
the
last
3
years,
we
haven't
seen
any
proposals
that
have
done
that,,
and
so
the
idea
is
more
that.
N
P
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:
all
right,
lisa
houde,,
cob:
now..
We
will
jump
into
these.
Are
the
code
clarification
items.?
So
these
are
items
that
came
up
frequently
throughout
the
evaluation
as
items
that
we
could
tackle..
That
would
also
help
to
reduce
barriers
to
a
to
use
by
clarifying
issues
that
are
just
frequently
coming
up
through
the
application.
Process.
N
N
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
Another
issue
that
was
brought
up
was
our
public
notice
requirement
related
to
the
accessory
dwelling
unit..
So
there
is
a
public
notice..
It
goes
to
your
j.
adjacent
neighbors,,
but
the
neighbors
can't
actually
impact
or
influence
the
the
application
at
all,.
So
it's
understandably.
a
confusing
and
frustrating
process
of
public
notice.
N
N
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:
the
use
table
project..
That
means
that
there
are
standards
that
apply
to
that.,
so
it's
it
would
be
an
allowed
use
subject
to
specific
use
standards
rather
than
having
that
separate,
conditional
use,
process,
something
that
came
up
over
and
over
and
over
again
throughout
from
internal
stakeholders,
applicants,
people
that
had
withdrawn
applications.
80.
You
owners.
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
by
changing
it
from
a
conditional
use
to
an
allowed
use.,
it
can
be
a
one
step.
Process,
and
I'll
explain
that
a
little
bit
more
in
later
slides
as
well,.
But
the
changes
in
the
ordinance
would
change
it
from
conditional
to
allowed
in
that
way..
There's
no
longer
the
separate
expiration
period
for
the
conditional
use.
N
N
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
one
of
the
other
code.
clarification
items
within
the
ordinance,
is
related
to
the
height
of
existing
structures..
As
it
stands,
now,
there
is
some
flexibility
for
adaptively
reusing,
existing
structures.
typically,.
An
accessory
structure
has
to
be
20
feet,
and
that's
the
maximum
height..
But
if
you're
reusing
an
existing
structure
right
now,,
the
code
says.
N
N
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
promoting
the
adaptive
reuse
of
existing
structures,
environmental
sustainability
of
using
existing
building
materials,
things
like
that,
and
just
providing
that
flexibility
for
those
structures
that
are
already
there,
and
likely
would
have
less
of
an
impact
on
your
neighbors.
If
the
structure
has
been
there
for
a
long
time.
things
like
that,.
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:
other
updates
to
the
detached
ad.
height
standards.,
there's
a
confusing
standard,
that's
been
in
there
for
decades,
related
to
a
roof
wall
ratio,
that's
been
removed,,
but
we
did
re,
retain
some
flexibility
for
a
to
use,,
with
kind
of
steeply
pitched
roots,
to
exceed
that
20
foot
height,,
so
as
to
not
overly
incentivize
flat
roof.
Structures.
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:
walkable
separation..
This
gets
really
into
the
weeds
of
interpreting
code,,
but
it's
something
that
came
up
really
quite
frequently
through
the
evaluation..
It's
something
that
we
use
as
the
designator
between
2
different
drawing
units,.
If
there's
walkable
separation.,
but
it
wasn't,
it
was
kind
of
deeply
within
the
definitions
in
the
land
use
code..
So
we
put
it
front
and
center
in
the
attached
to
use
standards
that
they
have
to
be
separated
with
a
lock
physically
separated
in
order
for
it
to
be
an
edu.
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:
limited,
accessory
units..
I
mentioned
that
we
have
2
types
of
ads..
We
actually
have
3
types..
We
have
this
limited
accessory,
unit.,
there's
only
one
of
them
in
the
city..
It
was
kind
of
a
a
way,,
a
different
way
to
have
a
nonconforming
duplex,,
but
only
one
property
has
ever
taken
advantage
of
it.
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N
N
N
K
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:
no,,
that's
a
good
clarification.!
So
if
it's
just
an
addition,
that's
totally
separately
accessed,,
then
that
we
would
consider
that
physically
separated..
This
is
more
to
clarify
the
typical
case
of
like
a
basement
being
converted
into
an
edu..
It's
just
one
of
the
one
of
the
main.
Defining
features
of
a
separate
dwelling
unit
is
having
a
physical
lockable
separation.
N
K
N
B
B
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:
yeah,
yeah.,
so
I
think
when
we
originally
brought-
and
you
wouldn't
have
been
on
the
board.,
but
when
we
originally
brought
this
as
one
of
the
issues
we
were
going
to
tackle
with
the
ordinance,,
the
idea
was
to
maybe
give
it
get
the
80
you
a
3
year,
process,
or
through
your
expiration
period,,
like
our
land
use
review.
So,
like
the
user
views
that
you
looked
at
before.
N
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
If
it's
not
a
separate
application,,
then
it
would
just
have
to
comply
with
the
building,
permit
application.
and
those
80
us
like,.
Even
now
that
have
a
one
year.,
it's
a
one
year
to
establish
that
building
permit..
So
then
they're
subject
to
the
building.
permit,
expiration,
period,,
anyway.
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
it's
not
giving
extra
time
in
the
building
permit,,
and
that
is
a
process
that
people
can
get
through
in
that
time,
and
they
can
request
extensions
and
things
like
that..
So
we
felt
like
the
the
change
from
the
2
step
review
to
the
one
step.
review
was
adequate
in
order
to
address
that
problem.
so
because
it
was.
B
B
B
B
N
Lisa
houde,
cob:
yes,
we've
tried
to
be
more
clear
in
the
ordinance,
and
those
were
all
based
on
interpretations,
or
that
that
was
an
interpretation
of
the
ordinance..
And
so
we've
tried
to
be
clear
with
the
language
that
was
unclear
before
about
how
that
would
work,,
so
that
you
would
be
able
to
to
permit
those
simultaneously
through
the
building.
permit.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:
the
changes?
no,.
I
didn't
thank
you
for
that
opportunity
to
clarify..
So
we
did
add
some
more
language
in
the
section
about
owner,
occupancy
about
the
temporary
rental
exemptions
based
on
the
direction
that
we
got
from
you,
and
first
from
city
council
in
the
matters
item
and
study
session..
So
we've
clarified
that
people
are
able
to
go
on
sabbatical,
leave
their
home
for
less
than
a
year
outside
of
boulder
county,
and
they
could
rent
out
their
house
while
they're
gone,
and
also
rent
out.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:
that
you
have
to
submit..
You
know
your
membership,
which
is
the
practice
we've
been
using,,
but
they
they
have
to
submit
their
membership
agreements
and
kinds
of
things
that
they're
proving
their
owner
occupancy
in
the
same
way
that
someone
with
their
name
on
the
title
is
proving
their
owner
occupancy,
or
someone
with
a
trust.,
and
so
it's
really
just
treating
l.
I'll
see
the
same
as
the
other
properties.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:,
you
know
it
might
be
an
issue
of
over
time.,
the
owners
have
changed,
and
they
need
to
update,
or
they
have..
Their
records
are
wrong,
and
the
assessor,,
or
something
like
that
that
they
just
need
to
clarify.
but
again,
in
talking
with
our
enforcement
officers,.
It
wasn't
that
there
is
a
more
significant
issue
with
llc.
own
properties
related
to
that.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:,
it's
just
in
lisa,
houde,,
cob:,
something
that
they
can
enforce.
and-
and
that
was
part
of
the
reason
why
we
added
more
clarification
about
you'll,
see
in
the
ordinance..
It
says
that
the
city
can
request
at
any
time
these
documents,,
because
right
now
it
happens
at
the
application
stage.,
and
so
we
just
have
a
little
bit
more
enforceability
in
the
code
language
now
about
when
we
can
request
those
documents
again,.
If
there's
ever
an
issue.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:
yeah,
yeah,.
It
was
definitely
something
that
we've
been
focusing
on.
in
recent
months.
I
mentioned,
we
have
the
community
conversation
with
several
neighborhood
organizations,,
including
the
hill.
carl,
and
I
went
on
a
walking
tour
of
the
hill.
We've
been
in,
and
we've
been
receiving
many
public
comments,.
So
we've
looked
into
it.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
about
25%
of
the
to
use
are
in
districts
that
don't
have
saturation
limits,
and
we
looked
at
whether
there
were.
There
was
significant
enforcement
differences
between
those
areas
without
a
saturation
limit
and
with.,
and
we
really
just
didn't
see
a
difference
or
a
significant
difference..
Our
enforcement
officers
didn't.
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Pb,
sarah
silver:
point
out
any
significant
difference
between
the
areas
with
the
saturation
limit
and
the
areas
without
enforcement
of
of
what
potential
issues
that
have
been
raised
through
the
concern.,
so
things
like,
parking,
or
noise,
or
trash,,
or
things
like
that..
So
I'm
sorry.,
just
so..
You
were
like
comparing
the
hill
with.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:,
like
with
rmx
one.,
we
don't
have
a
saturation
limit
or
things
like
that.,
so
just
looking
at
those
that's
a
a
way
to
look
at
the
differences
is,,
we
have
some
areas
that
have
saturation
limits..
We
have
some
that
don't,
and
we
don't
see
a
significant
difference
in
the
types
of
impacts
to
the
surrounding
community.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:
and
then
also
just
talking
with
our
enforcement
folks
and
enforcement.
Officers..
They
don't
think,
are
they?,
there's
not.,
they
didn't
note
any
difference
between
properties
that
have
an
eightyu
like
having
more
enforcement
issues
than
any
typical
residential
property.,
and
we
did
look
at
the
enforcement
data.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
these
are
actually
not
in
the
ordinance,,
but
these
are
also
part
of
the
project..
So
I
did
want
to
highlight
them..
So
we've
talked
already
about
the
one
step
review.,
but
this
is
a
pretty
significant
difference
to
our
procedural,,
the
the
procedures
for
a
to
use
and
that
would
be,
and
that's
facilitated
by
the
other
changes
in
the
ordinance,
like
eliminating
the
saturation
limit.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:
there's
some
other
issues.
We've
talked
about
in
the
matters
item
related
to
like.
when
you
get
the
address
for
the
edu,
and
we'll
also
be
looking
at
the
declaration
of
use,,
which
is
a
document
that
people
have
to
sign
when
they
get
an
80..
You
approved
to
make
sure
that
that
language
is.
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Karl
guiler,
cob:
could
be
used
as
a
separate
unit.,
so
oftentimes,
we'll
look,,
we'll
look
at
that,
and
we'll
make
them
revise
the
plan
so
that
it's
not
a
something
that
qualifies
as
a
kitchen.
and
then
we'll,
we'll
actually
require
a
declaration
of
use
where
they
basically
will
say
that
we're
not
going
to
use
that
space.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:
and
then
the
plan,
as
proposed
in
the
ordinance.,
there's
an
effective
date
of
september
first,.
So
that
would
give
several
months
to
work
on
the
process.
improvement
changes
preparing
for
the
ordinance
changes,
preparing
those
handouts,
things
like
that,,
and
also
updating
our
electronic
permitting
system.
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Tila
duhaime:.
I
am
aware
only
thanks
to
lisa,
that
there
are
movements
at
the
state
legislature.
which
might
render
kind
of
null
the
efforts
that
staff
have
done
tonight,
because
they
are
considering
even
more
liberal
and
permissive
changes
on
a
to
use..
And
I
think
that
says
a
whole
lot
about
boulder's
lack
of
vision.
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Tila
duhaime:
families
living
down
there,,
but
I
can't
add
in
the
second
kitchen,
and
it
doesn't
just
qualify
under
the
new
criteria.,
but
in
the
meantime,
I'm
using
this
perfectly
lovely
space
for
tourists,,
and
I
would
like
the
planning
board
to
consider
that
that
I
can
use
this
space
as
a
short
term
rental
space
fully
licensed,
and
it
meets
all
the
criteria,.
But
it
doesn't
meet
the
criteria
for
80..
You.
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Lisa
spalding:
university
hill
is
particularly
vulnerable
because
it
was
down
zone
to
rl.,
one
in
the
1,900
and
seventys
to
maintain
a
balance
between
families
and
student
rentals.
however,,
a
large
number
of
properties
were
grandfathered
in
as
legal,
nonconforming,
duplexes,,
triplexes,
and
fourplexes.
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Lisa
spalding:
the
9
owner-occupied
properties
on
the
eleventh
that
would
be
eligible
for
a
to
use
if
the
saturation
limit
is
lifted,
could
add
another
18
people..
These
blocks
are
already
at
or
beyond
their
carrying
capacity
without
extra
a
to
use..
I
believe
this
problem
could
be
easily
addressed
by
maintaining
the
saturation
limit
on
neighborhoods
surrounding
the
the
university,
that
have
a
large
number
of
non-conforming
uses,,
resulting
in
an
already
high
population.
Density.
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Lynn,
segal:,
so
lynn
segal:
think
about
how
that
works.,
because
there,
you
know,,
I
was
out
on
the
street
the
other
day,
and
someone's
waiting
for
you
uber,,
and
this
cars
driving
down
the
street,
and
they're
saying,
stop,
stop!.
You
were
supposed
to
pick
us.
Up.
know
that
uber
has
to
take.
go
to
their
destination..
Take
that
person..
They
can't
take
them
part
of
the
way.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:
amount,
so
up
to
25
feet,.
So
there
is
5
feet
of
flexibility
as
long
as
you're
using
the
a
specific
roof
pitch
of
8,
12,.
And
then
that
was
also
the
part
that
I
mentioned.
there's
a
confusing
sidewall
ratio
that
we've
removed
from
in
the
current
ordinance..
So
there's
some
flexibility,
there.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
I
I'm
not
as
familiar
with
building
sanders
as
the
folks
here,
who
are
architects
and
who
work
with
that
all
the
time.,
but
have
you
seen
that
be
an
issue??
Do
you
anticipate
that
being
an
issue
with
the
larger
sizes
that
are
allowed,
and
if
so,
it,
you
know,?
Can
they
get
a
variance
for
that
through
bosa
or
through
some
other
mechanism.?
If
that
is
really
constraining
on
building
an
ad.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:
yeah.,
so
we
looked
at
the
last
few
years,
and
we
do
have
that
existing
standard
that
I
mentioned,.
That
allows
you
to
build
up
to
25
feet,
and
we
found
that
so
we
had
about
280
use
approved
in
that
time,
and
I
think
it
was
7
or
8
that
use
that
flexibility
on
height,
and
some
of
them
were
because
of
grading
issues.
Because
of
how
we
measure
height.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:
you
use
is
that
if
the
80
you
were
to
especially
a
detached
to
you,,
if
the
80
you
use
remote
is
gone,
suddenly,
you're,
all
you've.,
you
have
a
much
larger
garage
than
would
otherwise
be
permitted..
So
it's
a
nonconforming
structure
without
the
80
within
it,,
so
it
just
gets
a
little
more
complicated.
If
we
have
these
unique
rules
for
a
to
use
that.
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Karl
guiler,
cob:
on
single
family
lots,,
you
can
go
through
a
height
modification
for
the
principal
structure
or
the
accessory
structure
being
under
the
the
zoning
district
maximum..
It
would
be
a
staff
level
site
review..
Basically,
so
we
would.
they
would
be
treated
the
same
as
any
other
requests
that
we
might
get
for
more
height..
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
that
maybe
feels
like
a
single
family
home,
or
is
shared
with
a
single
family
home
to
to
live
in.
boulder..
It
allows
people
to
have
complete
families.
multi-generational
living,
take
care
of
their
senior
relatives,.
Take
care
of
a
dependent
relative,
dependent
adults
are
dependent.
Maybe
children
just
moving
in.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
to
the
city,,
and
I
really
think
that
you
have
done
that
here.
You
have.,
you
have
accepted
the
mission,
and
you
have
executed
it
beautifully
of
trying
to
figure
out
what
are
the
things
that
are
preventing
private
property
owners
from
building
these
80
use
and
providing
them
to
the
community..
And
I
thank
you
for
it.
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Pb,
sarah
silver:,
it's
possible
that
a
goodly
portion
of
these
new
ads
in
that
neighborhood
will
be
rented
to
students.
nothing
wrong
with
that.,
but
it
it
is
a
neighborhood,
that's
already
pretty
saturated,
and
I
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
the
frustration
of
the
folks
who
live
there,
who
are
not
students,,
because
it
is.
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Karl
guiler,
cob:,
we
can
take
a
look
at
that
mark,,
but
I
will
point
out
that
when
we
developed
the
the
bike
parking
regulations,
we
didn't
have
regular..
We
didn't
have
requirements
for
bike
parking
for
single
family
homes
or
accessory
dwelling
use
by
virtue
of
the
fact
that
there's
usually
garage
space
where
the
bike
parking
can
be
accommodated,,
whereas.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
the
occupancy
for
a
to
us
is
the
same
as
the
the
house
would
be
like,.
I
said,
there's
that
flexibility
for
additional
dependence,
but
they,
the
80
users,
still
subject
to
the
occupancy
of
the
whatever
the
site.
Already
has,
so,,
I
think,,
but
I
think
we
could
confirm
with
our
rental
licensing
folks
more
about
the
posting.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
that
is,
on
the
table
for
a
future
update
of
the
ad
ordinance..
You
know
the
80
coordinates
has
been
modified
several
times
over
the
years,,
so
they
wanted
to
take
this
step
and
then
look
at
the
impacts,
and
then
maybe
come
back
with
some
additional
changes
in
a
future
project..
That's
my
understanding,
anyway.
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Laurel
witt,
cob:,
so
just
again,
as
a
reminder
in
the
memo
packet
or
in
the
packet.,
the
planning
staff
includes
suggested
motion,
language,,
which
you
are,,
of
course
welcome
to
change,
and
I,
or
whoever
the
attorney
is
representing,
can
help
change
that..
So
there's
suggested
motion
language
in
there,,
so.
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Laurel
witt,,
cob:
and
once
the
second
is
done,,
then
charlotte
or
vice
chair,
silver,
we'll
go
ahead
or
chair
silver.
sorry..
Here's
where
we'll
go
ahead
and
repeat
that
motion,
and
it'll
be
open
for
discussion.
If
you
want
to
make
amendments
after
discussion.,
that
is
also
an
option..
If
we
get
to
that
point.,
we
can
talk
about
that.
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Mark
mcintyre,,
pb:
and
so
mark
mcintyre,
pb:.
I
actually
disagree
with
this
friendly
amendment,
the
concept.,
but
I'm
going
to
take
advantage
of
it
tonight,.
So
we
can.
we
can
we?
can,,
we
can..
We
can
it
up
with
roberts
rules,
right?
exactly..
We
we
can..
We
can
deal
with
that
another
time.,
but
since
that's
our
mode
tonight.,
so
I
would
add.
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David
gehr,
cob:,
I'm
not
going
to
ask
for
an
amendment
to
that
motion..
I
I
actually
support
that
being
a
clean
motion,
and
we'll
pay
my
motion,
later.,
all
right..
So
let's.,
are
we
ready
to
vote
on
this
motion?
my
seeing
enough,
can
I?.
Can
I
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
robert's
rules
of
order,
just
because,
because
I
enjoy
it,.
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Okay.
pb,
sarah
silver:,
so
I'm
gonna.,
oh,,
laura,,
sorry
just
quickly..
I
I
agree
with
kurt
mark.,
I'm
completely
supportive
of
the
concept..
I
don't
know
how
it
works.
With..
I
don't
think
we
have
bike
parking
requirements
for
single
family
dwelling
units.,
and
so
I
don't
know
how
that
works.
With
an
accessory
dwelling
unit.,
I
totally
get
where
you're
coming
from.
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pb:
courtesy?,
yes,,
ml:,
zs.
sarah,
z.
yes,
marx.,
cs:
okay.,
so
everybody's
here
tonight
had
a
chance
to
read
it..
I
guess
I
would
ask
the
chair..
Would
you
like
me
to
walk
through
it
for
the
purpose
of
like
public
transparency,
and
anybody
who
may
be
watching
the
recording,
or
might
be
still
with
us.
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kaplan,
pb:
bvcp.
6.2,
3,,
which
says
that
at
the
time
of
the
next
airport
master
plan,
update
the
city
will
work
with
the
community..
That's
the
language
it
uses
will
work
with
the
community
to
reassess
the
potential
for
developing
a
portion
of
the
airport
for
housing
and
neighborhood
serving
uses.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
and
I
don't
think
I
need
to
recap
for
this
board.
why,.
We
feel
that
looking
at
this
piece
of
land
and
a
long
range
planning
sense
and
assessing
it
for
housing
and
neighborhood
serving
uses,
is
something
that
this
board
is
interested
in.
Seeing
the
city
do
in
partnership
with
with
the
community.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
and
that's
the
term
that
they
use
for
this
whole
process.
That
includes
the
working
group,,
the
open
houses
and
the
survey
is
the
community.
conversation..
The
way
that
has
been
scoped
does
not
include
developing
any
scenarios
or
any
description
of
housing
potential
on
the
airport,
site.
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Staff
is
envisioning
this
as
more
of
laura
kaplan,
pb:,
looking
at
the
airport
as
an
airport
facility.,
and
what
is
the
future
of
that
facility?
and
it
can
include
talking
about
decommissioning
the
airport
potentially,,
but
not
look
at
any
detail
at
what
might
come
after..
So
no
analysis
of
housing
potential
is
included
in
this
particular
conversation.
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kaplan,
pb:
decommissioning,
an
airport
is
quite
difficult.,
laura
kaplan,
pb:
and
the
faa
does
not
like
to
let
communities
do
that..
One
of
the
reasons
why
you
can
do
that
is,.
If
the
airport
is
in
a
state
of
disrepair
and
requires
more
than
normal
maintenance
requires
rehabilitation,,
reconstruction,,
rebuilding,
100
and.
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kaplan,
pb:
wouldn't
be
quite
as
robust
of
an
analysis.,
but
that's
kind
of
a
fall
back.
If
staff
push
back
on
having
scenarios
that
is
mentioned
in
the
memo,
and
then
the
third
fall
back
is
all
right..
If
council
wants
to
completely
exclude
housing
from
this
process
in
any
kind
of
meaningful,
way.
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kaplan,
pb:
thousands
of
units
potentially.,
laura
kaplan,
pb:.
My
only
concern
about
adding,.
That
is
that
the
letter
is
already
really
long.,
I'm
not
sure
exactly
where
it
would
go.,
and
I
do
think
that
city
council
already
knows
that
they
there
have
been
several
city
council
members
who
have
been
beating
this
drum
for
many
years,
lisa
mozell
for
very
years,
many
years
mark
wallock.
for
many
years.,
I'm
pretty
sure
everybody
who's
sitting
on
council
currently
knows
that
the
airport
serves
a
very
small
population,
and
that
the
housing
potential
is
quite
large..
So
I.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
to
email,
them,,
one
just
set
in
one
and
one
that.,
really
okay,
I'll
check
in
with
george
and
lisa,
and
see
if
they're
comfortable.
with
that..
There
might
be
any
number
of
reasons
why
they
might
not
want
to
do
that,,
but
if
they
do,,
I
would
like
to
give
them
the
opportunity
to
sign
on.
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Laura
kaplan,,
pb:,
well,
and
george
is
apparently
in
some
remote
location
on
vacation
with
his
family,,
so
I
you
may
not
even
be
able
to
reach
out.
oh,
okay,.
Maybe
I
should
just
go
ahead
with
the
5
0.
okay,
I'll.
Do
that
just
to
move
forward
expeditiously,,
because
the
next
meeting
of
this
working
group
is
in
next
week.
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Mark
mcintyre,
pb:
to
all
of
us
an
email
saying
exactly
what
she
just
said
about
copying
her
and
hell,,
so
that
I
have
all
her
contact
info..
I
I
don't
know
that
I
don't
have
an
email
from
you,,
but
I
don't
think
I
do
so..
I
would
love
to
just
get
an
email
that
makes
it
easy
for
me
to
put
you
in
my
contacts.
thank
you.