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City of Boulder Planning Board - 12-3-20

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We are all set.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): and I'm ready when you are.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: great., alright then,. This is the call to order of the planning board meeting for thursday, december 3 2020 for the city of boulder.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: and I'm harmon zukerman, the chair, and I'm going to turn it right over to brenda right now. She is going to manage our meeting tonight on zoom and take it away. brenda.

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Cob, brenda ritenour, (she/her): hello and welcome everyone to the planning board meeting this evening., I'm with our communication and engagement department., and it's always my pleasure when I have the opportunity to support the.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): the good and hard work that happens at board and commission meetings here at the city.. So thank you to other board members for all the time that you give us an expertise.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):, so we are aiming to keep these meetings respectful and orderly, and as such we have some specific protocol for our virtual meetings.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): any activity that disrupts does laser in our delays or interferes with the meeting are prohibited.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):, just as it would be if we were meeting in person. the time for speaking or asking questions is limited, so either I or the board chair will recognize. Applicants are members of the public to speak and unmute you. when those times. come on the agenda.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):. We need anyone attending to address the board using your full name.. If your full name is not currently displayed.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):. We need to ask you to change it,, which I can tell you how to do and or send it to me in the chat, and I can change it for you.. If you click on the top right corner of your picture.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): in the or I'm sorry,. If you click on.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): your name in the participant box,. Then you should be able to change your.

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Cob, brenda ritenour, (she/her): name, you'll see a box that that button that says more. That offers you several options. again,. I'm also happy to change your name for you.. You can send it to me in the q amp a box or the chat.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):, no video will be permitted except for board staff and applicants. All others will participate by voice. Only this again helps keep our meeting safe from disruption.

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Cob, brenda ritenour, (she/her): harmon, and I or cindy if she is acting as host for a moment, will enforce these rules by muting. Anyone who violates the rules.. So we please ask for your cooperation.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):, the chat function should only be used for technical issues to communicate with me or with cindy spence in our roles as technical hosts.

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Cob,, brenda, ritenour, (she/her): and only staff and board members will be allowed to share their screens.. Thank you so much. We appreciate your cooperation with these rules, back to you. harmon. okay.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: great,. Thank you very much..

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:: let's pull up my agenda again.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay,, so the next order of business is for us to allow for public participation, and this is for members of the public,, each of whom may have three minutes to address the board, to speak to us about items that they are interested in and want to bring to the board's attention..

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: the only items we won't be hearing about our.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: public hearing item tonight,, which.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. If you want to speak to the public hearing item,, please speak to the public hearing item after that item has been presented during public comment for that particular item, and that item is.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: the land use map of planning, areas, map policy and text, changes for the 2020 midterm, update of the.

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Pb john gerstle : water valley, comprehensive plan., pb,, harmon zuckerman:. We have matters tonight that members of the public are welcome to speak to and I'm going to turn it back over to brenda and brenda,. If you can run this public participation item in our agenda and appreciate that. thank you.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): absolutely., and we would love for you to indicate that you would like to speak by using the raise hand button that you will find at the bottom of your screen.. It's a blue hand and as you press that hand. you will come up on my list and the.

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Pb john gerstle : border that you did so. cob,, brenda, ritenour (she/her): and that's how I'll call you. I'll try to give a little heads up of a few names so that you know your turn is coming.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): and then cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):. As far as timing goes and I'm sorry harmon,, do you typically do two minutes or.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: three: you do three minutes per speaker. great.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):, so I will show hand signals so that we don't have to block out the screen with the timer. So I'll, give two minutes at two minutes, I'll give one minute at one minute, and I will give you a stop when your time is up.. And then we ask that you finish your sentence, please.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):, and so I just want to make sure I have my notes in front of me., so I'm not missing thing.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): I've seen plenty of hands up., so it looks like we're all ready to get started.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): thank you., we'll start with kurt nor bat north back,, followed by david takahashi,, followed by tom book coulson, so kurt, you should be able to unmute now.

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Kurt nordback: thanks., this is good or bad,. Speaking on behalf of community cycles tonight,, hopefully you got the letter from kennedy cycles about the design and construction standards., we're very pleased to be moving forward with.

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Kurt nordback: the updated chapter two of design, construction standards.. This is created something we've been pushing for for a long time.

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Kurt nordback: and we're pleased that the city will be starting with section 2.7, which is the streets design standards for non residential streets.

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Kurt nordback:, we had hoped that we would also be a look at the section 2.08, which was the sidewalk standards.

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Kurt nordback:, but it sounds like the pedestrian advisory committee is going to be looking at those. This year., and so we're going to the city is claiming to put those off for a year,, but we're very much looking forward to seeing those coming back.

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Kurt nordback: in 2022 very many of the comments that we've submitted to you over the years of related to sidewalks, improper sidewalk, design, inadequate sidewalks and so on, and so we're really looking forward to that..

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Kurt nordback:, we do feel that some of the additional items that the city wants to wrap into this update like medium standards and payment replacement standards and so on.. There are certainly important., but they don't seem like.

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Kurt nordback: as high kurt nordback: a priority as real safety related issues., and that's why we're requesting that? Instead of putting in that sort of grab bag of other items, that we were happening, 2.06, which is the base.

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Kurt nordback: street standards and then also 2.09, which is the residential street, stands and look at it. So 2.6, 2.07 and 2.09 or or they all relate to streets.

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Kurt nordback: for suggesting that we look at them all together, because they really all should go together. I, in some ways,. Maybe they should even be in the same sex same subsection of chapter two.. So that was the content of the letter that we sent you, and thank you for your thoughts, others.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): and thank you., curt cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): next time coming to david takahashi,, followed by tom 4000.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): david,. You should be able to unmute.

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David takahashi:, thank you for taking public comment on the lack of affordable and workhouse housing.

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David takahashi:, my story has to do with my experiences with the land use department and how improvements might be made consistent with the boulder climate action plan.

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David takahashi:, I must admit that affordability had a lot to do with our purchase in 2012 of a modest 1000 square foot suburban ranch in martin acres.

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David takahashi:, my wife, is a piano instructor and we wish to convert our garage into a piano studio thinking. It would allow neighborhood children to be able to walk or ride to their lessons. But the city of boulder said no.

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David takahashi:, unless we could provide to off street parking spots, I pled the irony of having climate action concerns while encouraging automobile domination. I argued about the merits of increasing walkability. You know how far that, god in 2015 we committed to take our.

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David takahashi: ranch hers rating 190 toward net zero by.

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David takahashi:, we had achieved a hearse rating of minus 50.. It was not as easy as you might think.. In 2017 I turned my attention.

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David takahashi: to building a passive house at you in our backyard to prove that a detached unit could be made. That might be, he did with a hammer hairdryer.

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David takahashi: again and additional parking space, put a halt to a project that would have provided additional workforce housing for our neighborhood with a miniscule carbon footprint.

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David takahashi:, the final and use obstacle is charging and electric car from solar panels on our property,, not the dirty grid,. We used up our available roof,, but a carport in the sunny front. Setback with solar would enable us to do this.

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David takahashi:, I have not approached the city about this,, but the answer will surely be no.. My concern is that if we agree that covert 19 is a dress, rehearsal.

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David takahashi: for the main climate disruption events unleashed by our continuing to pour greenhouse gas waste into our atmosphere.. Why are we not providing incentives to do the kinds of things I have outlined? Here.

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David takahashi:, instead of bringing out the carrots., the city of boulder, is bringing out the sticks.

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David takahashi:, we must find ways to incentivize the beneficial projects and penalize the ones that take us in the wrong direction. On climate.

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David takahashi:, we need to come to grips with the fact that the single use zoning that worked in the past is no longer serving as well for me.. The three most affordable.

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David takahashi: housing priorities are supply, supply and supply. I implore the planning board to find ways to enable great things to happen with housing and the environment in boulder.. Thank you. So much.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): thank you, david.. Next we have tombo coulson, followed by david adamson, followed by donna george.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): tommy,. You should be able to unmute.

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Tom volckhausen: hi,, I'm tom ball, cousin, 2636 street boulder, colorado, and I'm speaking tonight to call your attention to the letter from the indian peaks group of the sierra club,, which I hope you all received.

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Tom volckhausen:, I see so much. I'll, keep shaking their head,, so I'll double check.

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Tom volckhausen: anyway, tom volckhausen:, the national, the state and the local sierra club have strong policies in favor of compact urban development and in opposition to sprawl.

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Tom volckhausen: also our policies support low carbon land use.. The reason I'm speaking tonight is to ask you to have a work plan for 2021 that addresses the serious housing crisis in boulder today.. Anyone walking down the street can see the increase numbers of homeless people.

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Tom volckhausen: people that are not allowed to live in the city of boulder, live somewhere and people that don't live in cities by definition, emit more carbon because.

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Tom volckhausen:, they can not have shared walls and ceilings, because they have more transportation emissions and because- and they create more habitat impact because they sprawl out.

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Tom volckhausen:, I have seen people complaining about uncontrolled growth in boulder,, but the fact based on the census is that boulder has no growth at all. Older population has shrunk over the last three years.

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Tom volckhausen:, we are clearly not adding affordable workforce house and housing in boulder,. We are losing it. and this is a crisis,. You can walk down any street in table, may so or martin acres and see what historically, were rental properties being converted into.

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Tom volckhausen: owner occupied and low occupancy units., so we have a list of six suggestions for.

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Tom volckhausen:, the planning board, to address the housing crisis in boulder and, most importantly, is simply to allow the construction of additional, affordable workforce. Housing.

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Tom volckhausen:, and that means moving away from the exclusive single family zoning,, which currently covers over 80% of residential zone land in boulder..

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Tom volckhausen: parking minimums are being removed in over 100 cities in the us. Boulder currently has excessive minimum parking requirements that are based on suburban concepts from decades ago., and this presents a large.

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Tom volckhausen: impediment to providing affordable housing.. If you go to denver,, it's easy to see for plexus and a plexus that are on the same footprint is individual single family homes in boulder.

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Tom volckhausen:, but they do not have more than one unit of parking more than one parking space per unit and of course it would be physically impossible and boasts folder lots.

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Tom volckhausen: to add more housing units and to comply with the minimum parking requirements in many,. Many parking requirements also make the 15 minute neighborhood very impractical..

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): thank you,, tom.

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cob,, brenda ritenour (she/her):. Next on the list,. We now have donna george, I think someone else who is on there may have fallen off. so donna.. I hope you're feeling ready.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): and then I do have someone whose name is currently listed as catalyst bc, and I do need to have your full name listed before we can unmute you.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):, so I see that you want to participate and ask that you change your name or please send it to me in the text.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):. I also wanted to share with you, have someone who's joined us by phone. and if you'd like to participate in.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): public comment at this time and you're on the phone,. You can raise your hand by pressing star nine.. So now we'll go to john and george, followed by lisa spalding donna,. You should be able to unmute now.

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Donna george: okay,. I think I unmuted.

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Cob, brenda ritenour, (she/her): yep., you do that. donna, george: hi, I'm donna, george. I live at 4661 telling home court. and what I'd like to address here tonight in the public comment is a noticing a meetings.

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Donna george: um,, I just, this is a very important meeting, it's,. It's the comp plan.. It's making changes, land use changes.. It's also making policy changes and.

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Donna george: you, I do the only message I got from this was: I got an email on tuesday night around for something concerning this meeting.

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Donna george: I had to myself, put on next door for the community to learn about it.. I noticed that the left hand valley curia, which is our kind of local online paper here, and now they had a public hearing announcement about a.

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Donna george: open space acquisition that was coming up,, but they had no announcement about this important meeting.

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Donna george:- and it's also during a very busy time for citizens, it's between thanksgiving and the holiday season. people are preoccupied.

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Donna george: coven 19 has spiked up again.. Some people are dealing with that either with loved ones have it or they themselves have it.

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Donna george:- and I don't understand what the rush is for getting any of this stuff done by the end of the year.. I think the staff and the.

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Donna george: and the elected officials are kind of putting that on themselves.. This can wait until the new year, when people.

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Donna george: are not busy with the holidays when it has been noticed appropriately and that people know what's going on.

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Donna george:, when I was involved in the 2015 boulder valley comp plan update., one of the important things. they said,.

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Donna george: is they wanted you involved because they wanted you to have a say in what happens in your community on how your community develops and grows.

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Donna george:, but what I'm seeing here is mainly something that's presented by staff and elected officials..

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Donna george: and very limited input from the community,. I would like to know how many emails. have you gotten from the community concerning this update,? I suspect, very few.

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Donna george: um,, the other thing is, is. If you look at some of the things like the odell thing was initiate it wasn't initiated by citizens.. It was initiated by staff.

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Donna george: all the policy changes. they were initiated by the city,, not by citizens by the city.. So if we're really going to have a democracy where people are are informed, correctly are engaged.

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Donna george: and know: what's going on., you can't be sliding this stuff through in the middle of a very busy time at the end of the year.. So I would like to see.

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Donna george: much better announcement of meetings, a much better outreach to the public, and you know we do this like be heard. it's,, it's on.

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Donna george: the computer.. There are many elderly people that don't have an email that.. What about signs, you know, around town or some other way where you have representatives are explaining to people that this can affect what's happening in their community.. So it's all, I have to say thank you.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):, thank you, donna, cob,, brenda, ritenour (she/her):. Next we have cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):, linda spalding, followed by michael williamson.,.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):, my main house.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):, so my linda, excuse me, and lisa spalding.. You should be able to unmute.

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Lisaspalding: thank you,, brenda lisaspalding:, lisa spalding.. I am a member of the plan boulder county board and I'm speaking on behalf of our co chairs. peter mayer and alan feinberg.

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Lisaspalding: as a group that follows planning issues closely plan boulder county appreciates the first draft of your reply to city council's request..

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Lisaspalding: for the board's input into the annual work plan process., we commend david denson and sarah silver for the ability,, their ability to capture the complexity of the issues you're dealing with within the framework of equity and innovation.

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Lisaspalding: we have followed the extensive work you've done to update the land use table and to guide the east folder sub community plan and look forward to the successful conclusion of both projects.

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Lisaspalding:, we appreciate your emphasis on meaningful community engagement,, which should result in more cooperative and create creative collaboration on both small.

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Lisaspalding: and large scale community planning projects. your nuanced understanding of our communities need for diverse housing, opportunities that are affordable for low income and moderate income, as well as the missing middle are exemplary.

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Lisaspalding: the affordable housing conversation has progressed beyond simplistic calls for density.

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Lisaspalding: that are neither tailored to meet the housing needs of the people we wish to attract and protect, nor fine tuned to ensure affordability.

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Lisaspalding:, we also appreciate your concern for the morale of the planning department staff who have had a particularly difficult year, but it has risen to the occasion.. Thank you for your service and for this thoughtful response to city council's request..

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): thank you., cob,, brenda ritenour (she/her):. Next, we have michael williamson,, followed by mason cal's, followed by lynn siegel, and I want to ensure david adamson that I see your hand backup on the list, and we will come to you.

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Michael williamson:, can you guys hear me now., michael williamson:, okay, wonderful., michael williamson:? Thank you so much., I'm a small business owner in boulder city and jeff guard and our attorney had sent you guys some documentation earlier. This week.

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Michael williamson:, in regards to changing the land use code, nine dash 10 to a to extend non conforming use protection to the city's license cannabis, businesses.

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Michael williamson: we took over the was the previous greenest green space.. It was a dormant 18,000 square foot building for seven months.

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Michael williamson:, it was not allowed to be used for cannabis production. We used it for hemp, seed production and do the coven and other economic issues.. The hemp season was.

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Michael williamson:, a very lackluster we're about $1.2 million invested into the project, and I had talked to zoning early on,, who pushed me to the club committee.

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Michael williamson: spent 18 hours to speak for six minutes to clubs and not really get any traction and kind of where we added where we're at, is we had six employees in the project we're down to two.

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Michael williamson:, if we can't make a change here., I'm going to have to let everyone going bankrupt, the company, unfortunately.

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Michael williamson:, the use on the building really can't be anything other than cannabis because it's so built out.. I looked into a leafy green farm, vertical farm.

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Michael williamson:, but the roi is eight years., and so it was a previous cannabis facility for nine years., and so we are looking to change some of the language as you did.

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Michael williamson: in boulder county., my understanding was, the concern was that there would be a green mile up dispensary as well.. This is a.

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Michael williamson:, back of a warehouse that is on the railroad tracks and we would employ 18 people if allowed to pivot,. We would deploy another $1.5 million into the project.

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Michael williamson:, I have several local boulder residents who are now going to be laid off and are having hard financial times.

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Michael williamson:, through covered., we didn't adjust their pay at all.. We paid them full time and we probably should have close our doors, about six months. Ago.

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Michael williamson:, I've made no traction whatsoever. and it's really a frustrating situation. and I don't think that I'm going to get any resolution here tonight,. But I do appreciate you guys. Listening.

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Michael williamson:, I highly encourage you to take a look at the documents that jeff guard provided and highly, highly consider addressing this issue with.

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Michael williamson:, all the small businesses going under. here's an opportunity to keep one around and employ more people and generate $360,000 worth of tax revenue per year,, not including the offset of the.

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Michael williamson:, energy, michael williamson:, for the tax credits.

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Michael williamson: again,, it's you know,, it's really a crime desperation. my family and I will probably leaving boulder, along with many other families in the area that are attached to this business,, and it's.

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Michael williamson:, it comes with great sorrow, because we've loved raising our children boulder and now we're kind of forced out.. Thank you. So much.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): thank you., cob,, brenda ritenour (she/her):. We have mason cal's, followed by lynn siegel,, followed by david adamson and for those who may have joined us late.. I just wanted to say a reminder that this is the public comment for the general meeting.. This is not yet the public hearing for the boulder valley, comprehensive plan.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):, so mason, I'm coming to you and you should be able to unmute.

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Macon cowles: good evening, board members.

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Macon cowles: I'm here to urge you to call out the importance of workforce and affordable housing.

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Macon cowles: and your letter to counsel.

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macon cowles: at the november 19 planning board members made compelling statements about the importance of housing.

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Macon cowles: lisa noted that we are failing to address the middle to incentivize, smaller homes.

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Macon cowles:, the current approach to housing is not working.. She said she has so many friends who have moved out of boulder and they're, not even trying to come. Back.

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Macon cowles:, what about the artist,, the city, employees, a snowplow drivers who would have to sleep on someone's couch before driving a snowplow.

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Macon cowles:, we are not doing enough for the missing middle, she said,. Why are we not permitting duplexes and smaller homes are too many large deluxe homes.

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Macon cowles: david,, you said,: how can we open up housing? Exclusionary zoning is good,, but there are other things we can do to help affordability.

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Macon cowles:, you were concerned that city council has not consented to review occupancy limits.

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Macon cowles: john. Your comment was low income, affordable housing as good,, but we also want to think of middle income market rate housing and have those options available to.

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Macon cowles:, we should put effort in that direction. Lupica you said we're only accommodating rich people. Every time, there's an affordable housing, project. there's a line of people testifying against it.

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Macon cowles:, they favor it just not here.. So we have a difficult time making difficult decisions.

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Macon cowles: peter you channeled the housing board asking this very important question. where in the world., what are open space program d, if boulders open space, leadership.

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Macon cowles:, whereas poor as it is in the area of housing and harmon. Your said we should make places for employees for snowplow drivers who don't have to sleep on someone's couch before a snow, storm.

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Macon cowles: your letter to council is a part of the packet for the retreat,. They will receive a 200 page briefing book on every program in the cities, 15 departments, on a report on 40 different items on the work plan.

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Macon cowles:, so if you want to be heard in the city priority for housing,, you must say it clearly: planning board thinks there's a housing crisis, and here is the low hanging fruit.

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Macon cowles: number one, implement phase two of boulder junction, whose zoning can accommodate 1000 new workforce and affordable units.

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Macon cowles: number to complete the east boulder sub community plan and declare that dense workforce housing along this transportation corridor will be an important community benefit.

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Macon cowles: three perform the baseline study in the planning reserve, one small part of which could provide enough housing to reach the goals of the 2017 middle income, housing strategy.

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Macon cowles: for implement further reforms of our ad ordinance,, which is still the most restrictive in the country. Five address occupancy limits outside of the hill.

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Macon cowles: six proposed minimum densities along transportation quarters quarters.

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Macon cowles:, esteemed colleagues,. The draft letter to counsel in your packet is vague, at least to me from my experience, eight years on council and eight retreats.

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Macon cowles:, if you do not provide targeted, discrete ideas with measurable outcomes,, your concerns about equity and innovation will be lost in a fog and lost in the 50 pages of other letters that council has from its other 18 boards and commissions,. You have the competence and knowledge to.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): get.. What's your time.

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macon cowles:, please begin by calling this to councils attention forcefully. thanks, so much.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): thanks., I'm coming to lend seagull followed by david adamson, followed by laura shine, bomb.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): man,. You should be able to unmute.

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Lynn segal:: this is utterly ridiculous, that we are invisible to you.

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Lynn, segal: there are now people, I know on planning, board or through various modes that I will never. That will never see me on the street know who I am and they've spoken to. Me.

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Lynn, segal:, that is absolutely not. okay. and it's your fault. as much as city council, small, because you need to tell them that you need to see your public.

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Lynn segal: now I have something to tell you about the board of assessment appeals and I think maybe you ought to make a recommendation to the boulder county. Commissioners.

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Lynn segal: or to the county treasures,, because two of my best comps were just d qualified and you know why, because they were demolition after sale.

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Lynn, segal: one was right next door to me and I'm told by the appraiser david martinez at the county that this is because the cost.

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Lynn, segal: of a demolition, which, as we know,, is not a demolition, anymore. right., it's a deconstruction,, so it's quite costly. That cost goes into the property value. The land.

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Lynn, segal: the land., and you know what my land value is now probably 5%. 95% is probably mine. Land and 5% is my my structure years ago, when I moved here in 92., it was probably 60% structure, 40% land,, something like that.

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Lynn, segal: you're never going to put up a tent city here like in eugene, never because this lands to friggin valuable and it's valuable for things like having my two best comps taken out my next door, neighbors.

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Lynn, segal:, because it's a demolition after sale. how fascinating.

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Lynn segal: now the aws.

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lynn segal: at 29th street.

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Lynn, segal: macy's put in their appeal, the very day the aws was going into effect,. We all know this.

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Lynn, segal:, you better start listening to the people that you're representing the people that were on this call tonight.. I don't agree about the density people with adamson and what bull coulson.

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Lynn segal: because there's an endless demand in boulder.

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Lynn, segal:, what you need to do is cut the the damages first, and one of those damages is demolition after sale.

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Lynn, segal:, there's demolitions, everywhere. and there's one house after another torn down because they don't like the color of it, and it goes right back into the property value. And you wonder why there's homeless people around here.

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Lynn, segal: figure it out.

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Lynn, segal: done.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): thank you,, lynn. cob,, brenda ritenour (she/her):. Next we have david adamson, followed by laura shine bone at this time,. I see no hands after laura's.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): a reminder to our community member on the phone.. If you'd like to participate,, please press star nine to raise your hand. otherwise,. We'll take this as a last call for raised hands for up in comment.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): david, I'm coming to you,. You should be able to unmute now.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): and not hearing you david.

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David adamson:, can you hear me. yeah.

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david adamson:? The button was in there., I'm brenda so great to see you engaging as ever it. When I send an email.. Does the board, the board, get it.? Can they see an email that we sent them earlier. okay, cool., I'm just going to refer to a couple things.

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David adamson: that I had building on what I had said before, and on the beautiful comments of my neighbors, great, to hear from my neighbor lynn. as always, and.

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David adamson:, I want to build on what david and tom and making have said, my main point and I think you're going to.

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David adamson: promote the idea of the pilot, this housing pilot that we've been working on for several years and.

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David adamson:, a big part of it, is already in the boulder valley, comp plan.. But the point of that is to combine three elements and allow people who want to do that of combining.

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David adamson: putting the land into a community land trust or to the city's hands.

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David adamson: doing car sharing and having permit affordability,. They would have a lot of flexibility, then to make their, their.

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David adamson: project work financially., that's the kind of housing that we want and achieves high community benefit goal.. So there is a way through this gordian knot.- and this is one of them- were almost all the units that we add our, our appreciation moderated. So I just want to.

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David adamson: note that a lot of people are worried that oh there's just no way through this,, but that that is really part of the way.. So I want to emphasize that and hope. You'll speak more clearly as making suggested about that idea of doing some. Some pilots and.

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David adamson: we've, given you a support for that number two.

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David adamson:, before I forget,, I just want to thank the board so much you guys are tremendous., it's very complicated.. What you do. You have a diversity of opinions. I really value everything that all of you say.

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David adamson:, the last meeting, was so amazing to hear you look peta, especially I want to and lisa, I just anyway.. All of you are great.

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David adamson:, and then I also want to as I'm talking about this idea of changing the frame and changing the model.. I want to suggest that we.

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David adamson:, you know, really do that over at alpine balsam as well.. Let's not do the same.

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David adamson: barbell method of rich and poor. Instead, let's go for the bell curve., so they're, an alpine balsam. You would have 10%, you know rental, affordable housing, say.

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David adamson: 85% of it could be middle income for sale housing more than we said. We would have meant,. You know,, make it work. and number three,.

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David adamson: and 35% really high income housing that could pay for the low income, housing and it's all car share, mostly car share there. So that's.

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David adamson:, how that model could be applied there. and we don't make the developers pay very much for the land.

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David adamson:, maybe then they can donate it back.. The point is you: do revenue participation in the city., it's a low barrier to entry for smart developers.

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David adamson:, like that peter vitaly, knows. so,, the city is doing financial analysis right now. Let's talk about it.. Now, let's, let's go into that now. and just and see how we can apply a new model to alpine balsam. Thank you very much for your beautiful. have a good evening.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): thank you,, david. laura has moved herself to the public hearing later.. So next we have alex hide, right,, followed by carol presley,, followed by alexa parks.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):, so I will unmute you. now, alex,. You should be able to unmute.

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Alex hyde-wright: thank you.. Can you hear me? Okay, alex hyde-wright: yeah,, all right. um, thank you.. This alex had write a 15.. Do we have a new number three in boulder.? I just want to encourage playing board in the city to go big and bold. On housing.

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Alex hyde-wright:, I think, that's what's needed. A couple ideas. I'd like to see pursued is to make building at us as easy and simple as possible in the city., get rid of as many requirements as possible. get rid of the setback. Requirements. the parking requirements., the fees as much.

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Alex hyde-wright: as possible at us, are some of the lowest impact options for improving and increasing density in neighborhoods.

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Alex hyde-wright: from what I've seen residents who were surveyed about at ease in the neighborhood, for the most part,, don't even know they exist., that's how imperceptible they are.

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Alex hyde-wright: with all the benefits of affordable housing and density come with them.. So I really like to see the city do as much as possible to facilitate the creation of a to use throughout the city. secondly,. As like the city to follow..

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Alex hyde-wright: some of the lead of some of the more progressive jurisdictions around the country and allow duplexes and even try plexus and all single families. Zoning across the city.

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Alex hyde-wright:, you know,, I think that duplexes triplex is can often be done within the neighborhood character of single families, zoning and they provide.

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Alex hyde-wright: numerous environmental benefits that have been addressed before, and it would be a huge step forward for affordability.

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Alex hyde-wright:, if every time there's a tear down in the city,, instead of just having a 3000 or 4000 foot square foot mansion replace what was an affordable house,. You could have two or three units on that same lot.

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Alex hyde-wright: like to see the city reduce or eliminate parking minimums.

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Alex hyde-wright: starting in multifamily districts,, but preferably city wide.. I think that would be a huge policy. Advanced for sustainability is just a scrap them all. Together.

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Alex hyde-wright: and then,, not a particular proposal,, but one thing that kind of the troubles me is to go up and down broadway, and you see some of the developments occurring.

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Alex hyde-wright:, this is on our most transit accessible corridor in the city.

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Alex hyde-wright: near my apartment. there's a project,, the blossoms., it's building five luxury.. I think 3000 square foot plus condos on the most transit accessible site in the city.

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Alex hyde-wright:, and it just seems like such a missed opportunity that that could have. how is probably 15 or 20 middle income or.

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Alex hyde-wright:, affordable housing units and instead we're getting five gigantic luxury penthouses, which is not exactly the type of housing that the city needs to see that play out at broadway as well, or a proposal for more.

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Alex hyde-wright: mixed income and mixed use was ultimately shot down and we ended up with less density along the most transit and by friendly corridor and the whole city.

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Alex hyde-wright: so to kind of conclude, just really like playing board and city council to to go boldly, like we've, never done before on housing and encourage density in particular..

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Alex hyde-wright: low impact density and make it you some of the tools that we have available to reduce parking in homes, reduce requirements for at us to foster more affordable housing, more naturally occurring affordable housing throughout the city.. Thank you.

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Thank you. cob,, brenda ritenour (she/her):. Next we have carol, dress lee,, followed by alexia parks.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): hero., you may unmute.

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Carol: dreselly: yes,, my name is carol to sally. We, my husband and I bought a home almost 20 years ago, that came to the legal aid.

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Carol dreselly: in lower table mesa,, we would not have been able to afford the neighborhood without the legal ad and we also just through the years, and always had people live with us.

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Carol, dreselly: in add, wherever we were in bed when.

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Carol dreselly: we're in transition. we're seniors. my husband just retired september 1 over the last couple of years, we're debating whether or not to move to the mountains.

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Carol dreselly:, we cannot afford.. There are several aspects here of our complicated kind of situation, we're moving to the mountains,, but we can't afford to houses so.

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Carol dreselly: go back and forth to boulder to this home, and occasionally one of our three sons, is there,. It's pretty lonely, sometimes upstairs in a five bedroom. Home.

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Carol dreselly: recently, I guess there was some housekeeping advertising absolutely not intended and we were ordered by the city.

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Carol, dreselly: immediately stop renting any of the bedrooms. Upstairs leave five empty bedrooms upstairs.. As long as we have the ad you rented and we've been find something like over $1,000 a day until we stop the ads immediately,, but not that late.

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Carol, dreselly: just to wrap this up real quickly. we have. My son has been helping us with income stream. I saw my husband retired from 44 years of teaching down at ucsd.

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Carol, dreselly: he's helped bring in people who have been professionals working with.

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Carol, dreselly: the state and locally in nursing homes and students.. Google is created a wonderful community having at least two people upstairs and people down in the ad.

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Carol dreselly:, but the city says no,, that's not allowed,, even though we have been surrounded by it for five years,, we have houses at least five of them around us. great.

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Carol, dreselly: and taking it seems like a two year average you replace those great houses with multimillion dollar houses. I have counted up to 20 vehicles and workers.

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Carol dreselly: in front of our house and the paul de sac working on these houses and our cars have been broken into twice, as well as some other neighbors.

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Carol dreselly:, all of that is located in the city., so scraping. The two years of rebuilding the multi million dollars at the city is very concerned..

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Carol, dreselly: now, instead of our children living with us., and we have a couple of housemates upstairs living with us.. In addition to the ad you that came with the property 15 years, ago.

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Carol dreselly: and we're not allowed to have housemates anymore. and we're gone a lot,. You are placing esters, or to help our son with a remodel in babysitting in fort collins and the house. Upstairs five bedrooms has to be left empty, most of the time,. It doesn't make sense. thank you.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): thank you. and our final speaker for open comment is alexia parks. Alexia,. You should be able to unmute now.

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Alexiaparks: thank you.. This is my alexiaparks: any board meeting, and so apologies. If I jump right into what I'm interested in. and that is,, I want to express my opposition to something called area three,, where we live, against the.

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Alexiaparks: base of flagstaff mountain and west boulder, we I have enough to hear.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): things like we have lost your next year.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): and actually,. That is something that's in the public hearing, I believe.. So if alexia isn't able to finish talking now, it's probably more appropriate that this particular issue be addressed.

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Alexiaparks: okay. alexiaparks:. Can you hear me again right, now.

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cob,, brenda, ritenour (she/her):. We hear me.

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alexiaparks: well,. I will wait for that., but I want to express it, because it is a historic.

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Alexiaparks: area- and I like I've, lived here 51 years and definitely want to preserve it without having it be incorporated into the city which will allow the mansion ization of a lot of sweet, small, affordable houses in this area..

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): and please make sure to raise your hand again during public hearing.

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Alexiaparks: thank you. cob,, brenda ritenour (she/her): thank you., cob,, brenda ritenour (she/her):. That is the end of our list. Carmen. thank you.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay, thanks. anybody else from the public wants to speak, now's your last chance.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay,, seeing none, will move on to our next matter,, which is a public hearing. Item.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: with an agenda title as follows. public hearing and planning board consideration of land use, map, planning areas, map policy and text changes as part of the 2020 midterm update to the boulder rally comp plan.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: maps indicating where the proposed changes, the boulder valley, comprehensive plan are located and a description of each change can be found on the project website at. I will not read that., but it's on the website.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: for you at a boulder colorado.gov boards and commissions planning work.. So I'm going to turn it over right now to our development services, manager and guru, charles pharaoh.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: charles., if you want to take it away and handle introducing this public hearing item for us., I.

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Cob charles ferro: appreciate thanks very much harmon. good evening, members of the board gene gets a senior planner, will present staffs analysis,. This evening.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): great. thanks,, charles cob, jean gatza, (she/her): brenda,. I need a cob jean gatza, (she/her):. I need screen sharing allowed.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):, I will., I had thought you were one.. My apologies. no. thanks for your patience with our glitch.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, all right. thank you.

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cob, jean gatza,, (she/her): and good evening planning board members and community members.. We are here tonight to.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): present the analysis and recommendations for changes to the boulder valley, comprehensive plan as part of the 2020 midterm, update.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, these include land use, map, planning, area map policy and text changes., and this is one of port for public hearings to consider and approve changes to the plan.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, the recommendations are a great team effort. and I was want to call out my colleagues jay segment and housing, hello, pan away,, the attorney's office.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, jenny and mic in patient resources and our cobb county colleagues on hana heavily the boulder county. Long range planning manager who's here tonight to and alberto del rio's I'll go quickly be going through loops,, I'm supposed to be on the next slide.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): there we go. sorry about that., um, well, I'll, do a brief presentation of the recommendations will have the public hearing and then the planning board, discussion and emotions.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, as you know,, the purposes of the of the midterm update, are pretty limited in scope and they include public request, process. the planning board and the city. Council.-.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): completed that screening process for the public applications and the other list of items for consideration for changes in the midterm update in june.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): and recommended moving forward with three public requests: land use, changes.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): for further analysis and consideration of those staff is recommending land use changes for two of those areas. We gathered a lot of community.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): feedback on the third one at south broadway,, which I'll get to in just a few minutes, we're not recommending a change at this time for that one.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, also for consideration or six other areas identified for proposed land use.

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Cob, jean gatza,, (she/her): or planning area changes that implement the priorities that were identified in the comprehensive plan. At the last major update.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): reflect adopted area plans and reflect the location of the blue line that changed in 2016 also are considered consideration for changes to recently acquired open space, mountain parklands.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, and there are several policy additions and clarifications that record recommended reflect, adopted policy and plant.

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Cob, jean gatza, (she/her):, the analysis included in the staff reports, evaluate the proposed changes based on that consistency with the comprehensive plan, potential impacts and the effect on projections, or the capital improve.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, the process outlined in the complaint is that the city planning board and city council approved land use, changes and area one and area to at the western edge properties.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): and changes in areas three are approved by all four bodies.. Some of the policy and text changes are only two body and some are for body. Is our outline to the staff report.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, I'm going to quickly move through the list of changes.. The first one is at 30th street in belmont its face to a of the transit village area, plan.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): and that's a recommended change from mixed use: industrial and service commercial to mixed use; business to implement the recommendations.. The recommended land use changes that were.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): outlined in the cob jean gatza, (she/her): transit village area plan for this phase of the plan.. The intent is for this west side of 30th street to transform similarly to the east side, where there's mixed use and housing, and also this is our future location for the relocation of fire station. Three.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): phase two a of the trends villager plan. You see on this little part, that's on the west side of 30th street.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):. This is a moving ahead now, because we've done some work to identify the bluff street connection, which was identified in the teeth, app implementation plan. As the trigger for this changes in this area. phase, one is largely complete and.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): face to be was discussed during the screening process and we just determined that we did not have the resources and the work plan to take that on. at this time,. But.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): was discussed as an option to be prioritized and future work. Plans.

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Cob, jean gatza, (she/her): change be, or one of the next ones is to implement the recommendations that were part of the alpine balsam area plan.. These are changing on the city on property.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, some of the areas from public to high density, residential and mixed use. Business on portions of the site that are not intended for the future uses of city services and the recommend.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, the cob, jean gatza, (she/her):. These changes are.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): they align that the recommended changes that were outlined in the area plan are a little more specific than what we're seeing here on the comp plan.. This is just our first step to take.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): in the implementation process for this. you're, seeing the variations of colors here. these ones war are the.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, more specific land uses that were detailed in the area plan that will inform our zoning and I'm happy to report.. We've done some work to.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): on the completed the initial analysis to determine some of the best path forward for zoning and we're going to be recommending moving ahead with form based code.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): to craft more specific urban design and character tools for this area. That process will likely be underway early next year and will it's anticipated that will have a much more in depth community process to guide those zoning decisions.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): for those zoning in this area for help and also.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, the next change was one of the public requests for.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): changes from the low density residential to another land use that might support business, residential or mixed use at 1345, south broadway,. We.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, we got a lot of community feedback on this.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, even in this challenging time, a coven we had over 40 community members in the nearby area, participate on the her boulder questionnaire,, as well as virtual meetings and.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): communication with with us with staff.. While there is a lot of support for the air for changes., it was pretty mixed and folks really were cautious about.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, not having a more specific development plan for the area.. I think there's a lot of potential.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, our staff thinks there's a lot of potential for some changes here,, but we're not comfortable with recommending any particular one at this time.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, there may be some options for changes here with the code amendment process for 15, minute neighborhoods, where for for the for the applicant and with some different types of a concept at a later time.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, the next change is that 6500 odell place and the.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): recommendation is a change from mixed use: industrial to high density residential, this land use change. The current land use isn't a mixed mixed use, industrial and the gun barrel. Community.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): center plan describes a mix of housing and light industrial for this area. Residential uses at this location would be compatible with the surrounding land use, designation and uses particularly,, particularly the existing high density residential. That's to the north of the site.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, the next change is at 47th street of it but hills and valleys moment.. This is a change from medium density, residential to transitional business.

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Cob, jean gatza, (she/her):, that's really just to reflect that the current uses are not residential. They have. The site has always been used as more professional office and personal service uses, and this change would reflect that.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): next is a hillside, nearby areas, the little hard to see,, but these.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, the land use colors, were applied and kind of a really funky way to about half parcels on several areas.. So we're just recommending the cleanup of those for.

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Cob, jean gatza, (she/her):, low density, residential and the parcels that are privately owned and the correct application of public land use for the school district and university parcels.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, there are also recommended changes plant for planning changes from area three,, two area to for the western edge properties that are now the local blue line,. The location of the blue line terms, properties that are eligible to receive city, water and.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, the city proposed and voters approved about measure amending the location of the blue wine.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, this was aimed at clarifying the location of the boundary and also to allow provision of water service to existing developed properties.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, the measure specifically reinforced intent to keep to protect the foothills, open space and not new backdrop and to limit new development or the expansion of existing development..

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): for these developed parcels that are currently in area three and proposed for area to this change would allow them to receive city, water and sewer services. But additional steps would be required before property is annexed or receives water from the city and all any redevelopment.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): without annexation is regulated as it is today by the county.. So we have some of these properties on the street.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): and then a handful of properties., also on popper.. Now the movement of a second street.. So from these maps, you'll see the dark blue line is the new blue line and the dotted line is the old 1956 version of gluing.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): for example, properties on hawthorne think previously had no managers designation., so we're proposing also awareness, distribution of low density residential on those.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): last couple batch of changes.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, we have cob jean gatza, (she/her): changes also related to the change in the blue line for city on open space and not in not in parks. Properties.. There's a bunch of these along the western edge where the location.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): go to the blue line or the blue lines. Location, changed.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, requiring these to be either a change from area to area three or from area to area three. Next to reflect the intent to keep those as moral character and open space.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): and then lastly, we have a handful of other managers changes that reflect acquired properties.. Most of these.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): are owned by the city and would not get a new managers designation or put myspace acquired and a couple of this business development. Rights.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, the policy changes that are have been identified or either through adopted area plans adopted other policies. We have intergovernmental cooperation regarding constitution, indigenous people.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): about cultural resources.. This was identified through the open space and not in parks master plan to reflect our.

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Long standing, memorandums of understanding.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, where that confusion, there's a.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): amendment to the taxation policy to even further reflect the intent of the 2016 2016 line. Changes.

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And that annexation, eligibility and intent to.

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Cob, jean gatza, (she/her): not expand developed properties in those areas. You have several changes to transportation policies non proposed. You like to reflect the changes and direction that was adopted in transportation. Master plan was adopted in 2019, nothing new, affordable housing, goal.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): 15% for all residential properties, lending or some of our housing policies,, also the policies reflecting homeless strategy and then a new section or revisions to our section on subcommittee and area, plans, they're planning to reflect our.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): mentoring program and the direction that was received from anywhere in the city council on that last year.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): so with that will be visiting the city council, you know, december 15 that the same recommendations and then to the planning commission for the handful of changes that are required for body review..

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): in january, that the county commissioners as well.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): and with that.

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cob jean gatza, (she/her):. I would be happy to answer any questions.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: thanks jane.

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pb,, harmon zuckerman: so,, you know, just to kind of keep the.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: keep the question piece moving along in a.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, comprehensible, fashion.. I want to break it up into three areas which track with these motions.. So, let's.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: ask our planning board questions of staff, should we have any around items that are relevant to emotion. number one,? So if you look at your table on the first well, it's sorry, the second and third page of this item in your packet.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:: let's ask questions about a to g, which are the map changes to start with, and then we can move on to the next two categories. John.

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Pb john gerstle : yeah,. I would like to do this in a manner.. I need to recuse myself from the consideration of the parcels ah n g that are close to linden.

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Pb john gerstle : then plan. the fourth street because of owning some property within 600 feet.. So I'm hoping that I can participate in the discussion, discussion and decisions. the other parts, but I'm recuse myself from that part.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: gene pronouncing you pull your screen down, so we can see everybody please.

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Pb, harmon, zuckerman:, okay, so john.. I don't think there's any really neat way of.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: having you, you know,, leave the the the meeting, the way you normally would. for recusal. So I'm just going to ask you not to make any comments around those items that you have issues with, that you have any conflict with.

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Pb john gerstle : that sounds fine and all of refrain from voting on those also.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: very good.: does anyone else have any items that would require any disclosure or potential recusal for the matter in front of us today.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay. and are there any ex parte communications, or any other reasons why anybody needs to make any disclosures.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay,, then, let's, let's move on.. So now is our opportunity to ask questions of gene around the map, changes that are being proposed as letters a through g in our staff, report, sarah.

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Pb sarah silver:, thank you so much and gene. Thank you in on your fellow staffers for all this work that you've done., it's very complex., really appreciate it.. I basically have one question about.

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Pb sarah silver:, the tv app. and one question about alpine balsam, so I'll just start with a tee that question, then we'll come back around.. Can you just explain to me.

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Pb sarah silver: how the city will square. the difference between the proposed land use for mixed use, business,, which a lot could require housing versus the zoning,, which is bms, which.

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Pb sarah silver: the,, the housing options is pretty limited in that zoning.

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Pb sarah silver: on our use tables in particular.

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Pb sarah silver:, it prohibits.

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Pb sarah silver: residential on the ground floor,, except for access to residential but use the narrative- is that this could look a lot like the steel yards.. But if you look at the steel yard, housing.

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Pb sarah silver: they actually are much of it- is town homes that are accessed.. I mean, they're townhomes. They don't have first floor office space., so I'm just trying to understand how the city would go about sort of squaring that circle, a little bit,, given what you're trying to accomplish with this area.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): and so, sarah.. It is a little bit.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, it is a little bit complex with this area. the,, the rezoning for phase one of tea bag really.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): had much more incentive, provided a lot more incentive for the creation of housing and with this.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, the current zoning as the tier one.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): and potential proposed zoning with the bms that's described in the plan. there's not as much of that incentive. so we're,. What we're thinking in there are actually a couple of.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): properties that have some projects that are.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): being considered redevelopment for housing in this area,. What we're thinking is that, instead of a blanket rezoning on this,, it's going to be more of an optional part of a more of an opt in if the bms works for those properties to be able to do the.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): redevelop still under the big one,, but have the considerations that are outlined in the plan for some of the urban design character. Elements.

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Pb sarah silver:, so does that mean just,? I just wanna make sure I'm understanding.. Does that mean that there would be an opportunity for that same kind of townhome attached dwelling townhome, that is in steel yards,, because we know that that's a type of housing type that is in much demand.

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Pb sarah silver: for low,, moderate middle income, families., I'm just with the bt, allow that.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, I might look to charles to help out with that., not knowing the ins and outs of some of those districts.

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Cob, charles ferro:, hey sir., that's a great question. between one and I'll have to correct my code over here.. But if memory serves me, you would be able to do that style of.

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Cob, charles ferro: townhome, you know where you have not only entry to the unit at the ground floor where you could actually have ground floor residential units,, similar to what you see on the other side of 30 events, steel, yard.,.

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Pb sarah silver: okay, great., and so even though it would be zone bms there'd be some understanding that there was some flexibility there for different types of housing.

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Cob, charles ferro: sure,, absolutely. pb, sarah silver: okay. great.. Thank you so much.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: the other questions regarding the map. Changes.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, oh wait,, I'm sarah. To do. I want an alpine balsam also.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. She was going to hold that for for a minute. Let some other people speak. thanks, sarah, lisa.,.

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Pb, lisa smith: um, yeah., so I had a question for stuff., I'm just on kind of that second phase of tea bag.

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Pb, lisa smith: what,. What are we doing regarding loss of industrial space in there,? It seems to me that you know I and I'm not like. I know it's been in the plan for a long time. there's a lot to like about what's happening. There. I'm just curious,, you know,. We.

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Pb, lisa smith:, we've already lost some. and I'm just curious whether those people are leaving the city of boulder.. If we have a sense of where they're going to go and what that's doing to industrial light. Industrial specifically.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): lisa., I'm not sure. I totally understand the.

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Pb, lisa smith: cost., so let me,! Let me try to rephrase,, so I'm and I'm blanking on their name,. But there was like an air supply company that was in the original portion.

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Pb, lisa smith: that you know moved on., and so I'm just wondering, as we rezone areas that we're allowing for light industrial use to allow for other kinds of uses,, whether they're, commercial or mixed use, including residential.

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Pb, lisa smith: you know, over,. Are we losing all that industrial space? Do we see it moving elsewhere,, you know kind of what? What do we expect that to do to do presence of light industrial within the city of boulder, proper or,, more broadly, within the county.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, I'm cob, jean gatza, (she/her):, I'm not sure I know the answer, necessarily. we've we're. Definitely looking at the viability and exploring a lot around light. Industrial and the potential conversions in the east, boulder sub community planning, process. and there's a lot of concern.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, and a lot of different ideas about the future of those types of uses.. I do think that if we move ahead on the rest of the phase to be or the rest of the bulk of phase two for the transit village area plan it, it would behoove us to take a look at the recommendations. In light of.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, our some of our primary employers or other key industries for those., but I think that that friction and also is a little less heavy on that housing than the first phase.

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Cob, charles ferro:, I guess I'd also add gene that be adopted area plan. The transit military plan still does preserve quite a large swath of industrial space along goose, creek and pearl street, basically foothills to.

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Cob charles ferro: 30th there, so we still have a quite a big swath of land use,, that is, will remain industrial mixed use in perpetuity as part of the plan.

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Pb, lisa smith: well, thank you, charles.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: anyone else, pb, harmon zuckerman:, john.

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Pb john gerstle : yeah,. I wanted to inquire about the changes proposed for best hawthorne,, that is to say the parcels, a,, b, and c that are shown to be now in in the county and in area three, and our proposed to change the area to.

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Pb john gerstle :. What services do those three parcels presently get from the city.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, they don't,, they don't have water and sewer at this point.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, but with the change to the blue line there. now there now below the blue line, so be eligible for that.. Should they want to pursue annexation.

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Pb john gerstle : and actually my,, particularly on the parcel, a can be or they're presently residences or houses in those parcels.

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Pb john gerstle :, that are that are above the blue long.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, they are now below the blue line.

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cob, jean gatza, (she/her):. They were above the line.

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Pb john gerstle : right.. They were above, but they're now below, and there are existing houses at their at the moment.

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Cob, jean gatza, (she/her):, my understanding of those,, those are developed, persons.

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Pb john gerstle : okay, and then just one more in the maps of that area.. You also there's also one house, that's further south, that.

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Pb john gerstle :, if I understand correctly,, there's no change proposed here,, but in the maps with the little yellow indication, lines.

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Pb john gerstle :, you show that there is some change proposed in the southern.

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Pb john gerstle :, the southern mock there.. So I was a bit confused about what what is happening. There.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, I'm not sure. If that's so, there's, there was one to the to the south. that was already partially area to.

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Pb john gerstle : change,, you know, cob jean gatza, (she/her):, since it was already area too.. Is that the one to try to pull those up.

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Pb john gerstle :, that's that's the one I'm talking about and in the.

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Pb john gerstle : in the overall map, where you show sort of the yellow patches where changes are proposed. That indicates there's a yellow patch in that.

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Pb john gerstle : on that area too,, but I don't shoot where there's any changes proposed when we go into the details. Here.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): that may just that slight error and that overall. now,, the more detail ones show exactly which parcels.

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Pb john gerstle : okay,, so there's no change proposed for for that.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, the one that's already area to well, it's it's already area to.

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Pb john gerstle : okay, thank you.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: other thoughts, question.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): yes. john eagle, eye.

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Pb john gerstle : and.

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Pb john gerstle :, I'm feeling pb, harmon zuckerman: like you. okay, thanks. john david.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, um, yeah,. I just wanted to clarify on the properties between aurora. oh, and little past euclid on you on uni hill.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): butting up against area three.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, though there was some some concerned, I soften the community about, you know, development potential, changing from this and I, from what I can see right, now.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, you know if they, you know,, certainly if they are looking to area to they become eligible for annexation,, but without annexation, they're, still in the county right and they're still subject to the county.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, there would be no change. and right now that sexually zone, forestry,, so they're kind of out of compliance density wise with that.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): how many zoning, it looks like to me. so, yeah, yeah., I mean, I just don't.. I don't think there would be any additional development potential from this action, every day,. Nothing would really change their.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): that's,, that's our interpretation to david., and that was the intent of the blue line changes,. It was very clear and all of the materials that that were.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, prepared during that ballot measure that, that the change is really only intended to allow service provision for already developed properties, but not to allow expansion or additional development potential.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): hannah is here, also from boulder county. If, if she would like to address any of that, they're these properties also are within the it's the view, protection overlay, district.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): that would still be in, in, in effect,, under review with the county.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay, anyone else,, or should I jump over back to sarah.

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Hella pannewig assistant city attorney:, and I'm just going to mention because gene didn't mention it., but there's actually a corresponding policy change associated with these properties to for the annexation policies. That makes clear that there's not intend to allow any additional developments on these properties.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): and then I also wanted to clarify that the blue line.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): was already moved as a result of the 2016 election., so that isn't being changed. Now, that's been in place for four years now, right,, because I thought a little bit of confusion about that., so the blue line isn't moving.. Okay, thank you.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay. john, did you want to talk directly to that are like sarah.

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Pb john gerstle : no,, I just on this.

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pb john gerstle :. These parcels here are those houses presently receiving city water and sewer services.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): was along. This street is a mix.. There are some that have city water,, some that have water and sewer.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, at least one that has none. that is cob jean gatza, (she/her): desiring to get to be on city, city services.. So it is, it's a bit of a mix.

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Pb john gerstle : thank you.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: sarah.

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Pb sarah silver: thanks harmon.. So if I might., I have a question. actually about alpine balsam.

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Pb sarah silver:, I just was, I think, you reference this,. What is my question,, but I want to make sure I'm understanding, correctly. the, the fact that the recommended boulder valley comp plan land use change is a singular.

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Pb sarah silver: zone or land use designation does not preempt the different parcel plans that were approved as part of the concept plan.. Is that a correct interpretation of what you said.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, that's correct,, yeah, we,. We worked too hard.. You get all of those various.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): specified within the open boston area plan. and that's what we died because of the features and.

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Pb sarah silver: okay, thank you., and I also just wanted to say that I would really appreciate the opportunity. whenever it comes along in our agenda in the in the coming year..

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Pb sarah silver: to talk about some of the financial opportunities are the opportunities to use financing to get the most affordable housing,. We can add to this site and I will leave it at that.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: great. thanks sarah.. Anybody else have any questions about this first tranche of.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: comp plan update changes.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, no,, okay,, well, then,. Let us move on to questions that we might want to ask staff about the second group,, which are the area, two, and three properties that require for body review.. Any questions about that.. That's.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: agent, I pb, harmon zuckerman: in your packet.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, is it primarily the spacing on parks.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: and,, you know,, there's a really useful table in there gene.. Thank you for that which lists all of the different properties that have been acquired in the last couple years. That are.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: proposed for these land use changes.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: and from what I could see, almost everything is going to be.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: open space acquired with a few notable exceptions for private easements and stuff.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: no questions about this.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay, I'll just make a comment.. It's a lot of acreage, other programs, doing pretty well. yeah. and then finally, policy and text changes.. Any questions from the board to staff around these policy and text. Changes.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:: this is jay in your packet.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. If there are not. I'm going to pb, harmon zuckerman: open it up for public comment.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: tonight we don't have an applicant,, because these are coming to us from staff,, which is already presented to us. and you know,. I just want to, in the spirit of.

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Pb, harmon, zuckerman:, comma t co mit. Why, with with our neighboring jurisdiction or surrounding jurisdiction, hannah., do you have any, anything that you'd like to add of asking kind of hippie from boulder county.

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Boco, hannah hippely: thank you. Can I have played from boulder county community planning and permitting,. I do not have anything to add.. It's been a pleasure working with gene and.

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Boco, hannah hippely:, we have reviewed all of these changes at a staff at our staff level and brought in are necessary in our agency partners like our transportation, folks and housing and human services, and the are comfortable with things as they are.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay,. Well, thanks for being part of our process, we enjoy coordinating with you.. So when I turn it back over to our moderator.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: and if you don't mind.

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pb, harmon zuckerman:, would you please handle the public comment. brenda.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): absolutely. thank you. so,, just as we did with open comment at the beginning,. Please indicate your wish to participate in public comment on these issues at this time. By, using the raised hand, button followed found at the bottom of your screen.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):, I'm going to give just a minute for people to find that button,. So we can see what that list list starts to look like.. We do have three hands on the list: now.. So I'll start there, with alexia parks,, followed by donna george, followed by laura shine, bomb.

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Cob, brenda ritenour, (she/her): alexia, you should. whoops,, you cob,, brenda, ritenour (she/her): were unmuted, you should be able to unmute again. oh, and I'm sorry,. Let me just clarify quickly: harmon three minutes. again, as well.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: yes. three minutes per person and and we're not doing any any pooling like we have in the past.. So just each individual against three minutes.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): thank you.. I appreciate that clarification.. So three minutes per individual without pooling I'll again hold up hand science and appreciate all of your cooperation with that alexia. If you're ready, you may speak.

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Alexiaparks: thank you. I'll speak quickly.

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alexiaparks:, it was I'm speaking to area g are exhibiting one.. There were two slides,. It would be.

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Alexiaparks:, if actually jane,, if you would put that up, that might be helpful area g and the first slide that you showed.

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Alexiaparks: so I'll be talking about she's, putting that up if that's possible, to share it on your screen.

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Alexiaparks:, whether it is or not, I'll go ahead. what I will say boots on the ground.. I've lived here 51 years, my family lives within walking distance, and this is home base for our three generations of family who've grown up in in boulder, colorado.

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Alexiaparks: billionaires are coming up our dirt. Roads are just three of them that are dirt roads, minus one of them. and it's an area. That's called snowbound. Historically there like five homes in that area that are.

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Alexiaparks:, one of them was built,, probably around 1910, and the ads were built.

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Alexiaparks: like in 1920 and another one was are, the one I live in was 1948 and others are in that similar range billionaires are coming in and offering.

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Alexiaparks: us $5 million or more for our homes, they're, looking at the land. they're like, they're saying this is the last stand between the city and the.

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Alexiaparks: city mountain park and flagstaff mountain., everybody wants to get the highest biggest, best view. we've seen what's happened directly to the north,. There is a home immediately to the north,. It's the last one that shown on that exhibit one.

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Alexiaparks: exhibit g one that they came in. They took it knocked down. Every gold, beautiful stone, house. there was a store and I'm sorry,. Larry penfolds house was knocked down. The stork stone house and a 15,000 square foot mansion was put in in the early, mid 1990s.

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Alexiaparks:, the one just to the north of that particular one,, which is not on your map right now, is an all glass house.. So anybody looking at flagstaff mountain from the city or any other angle will see sun rising.

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Alexiaparks: on an all glass home up against the base of flagstaff,, we are south of that., so we are south of the glass home.. We are south of the 15,000 square foot home. That formerly was.

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Alexiaparks: very penfolds, home historic, home and and I'm immediately south.

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Alexiaparks: in 1990 and through 1992, the billionaire who moved to the north of me attempted to put a home in that was denied by the county.

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Alexiaparks:, it was in two little cottages that are there there now directly south of me, I coming from the top down on the second one.. This will be the third one in that zone.

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Alexiaparks: and there's two small cottage that are about 800 square feet., each and dynamic. Are there wonderful, low, affordable housing and people live there and that.

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Alexiaparks: you know, very low, wonderful rent.. That's been kept that way for 40 years and their historic and they're beautiful. they're in my pictures. every christmas for beautiful with snow on them,. They are.

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Alexiaparks: they have alexiaparks: been the mansion that was planned. There was 435 foot high hundred foot long home that was denied by the county.

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Alexiaparks: this would become an area because of the vast sum is being offered to us, an area of bright lights like a line of lighthouses lighting up the sky.. We also are stewards.. If you want to talk about.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): your time is up. alexiaparks: okay,. It's a low cost strategy for.

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Alexiaparks: keeping it open space. thank.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):, my apologies for having to mute you alexia,. We do have to be fair with our time limit. and I'm coming next to donna george, followed by laura shine bomb done I,. You should be able to unmute now.

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Donna george: a high before I speak, I'd like to say that we should be able to pull.. I have both my husband and my daughter year and I have done extensive research that I need to present tonight.

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Donna george:, there are only three speakers, and this goes to my point. About,. Is this really, do you really want citizen input, or do you just want us he's back what what the county and the city. put them? That.

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Donna george:, I want to be able to my husband's here., say: hello.

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donna, george:, all right., my daughter's here. say hello. hi.. So I should pull to at least nine minutes.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: brenda,. How many people do we have scheduled for public comment? Tonight.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):, it looks like just one. Other person has their hand up normal billing rules would be three people.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):, pulling to jean help me I or six.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: minutes: three people will receive seven minutes.. So I'm going to ask: are you keeping time brenda.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: yes., pb,, harmon zuckerman:, just reset donna's clock to seven minutes and we'll give her her seven minutes. Tonight.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): thank you. herman.

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You're welcome.

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Cob, brenda ritenour, (she/her): donna your time, we'll start now.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: hey, donna. you're, you're muted.. Now, can you unmute and we'll talk again.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): just push that button for you, donna,. You should be able to unmute donna george:. Am I there. cob, brenda, ritenour (she/her):. You are there.

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Cob, brenda ritenour, (she/her): okay., all right. donna, george: amy, started georgia limit for success on telling her court.. My main thing I want to talk about tonight is the changing request plan for 650 adele place.

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Donna george:: I was reading the reason why they want to put it in. and they said, well, residential users are allowed under the current industrial general zoning,. The site does not meet the two acre inside special per site review, a requirement for.

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Donna george: duration of residential industrial uses. I need extensive research in the code and actually for id,. It needs to use review.. It does not need a site review.

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Donna george: to have a site review. The minimum amount is two acres for a voluntary site review and if you have five acres., you have to have any inventory site., so the folder view apartment and actually are in the id zone and they do to use review. so,. Not only that.

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Donna george:: this is a mix. right, now,. The plan for the gun barrel comprehensive plan and sarah explain how we have to follow the alpine area. Plan.

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Donna george: well,: we need to follow the gun barrel center community plan and their thing for mixed use. Industrial residential district is.

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Donna george: this area, we characterize a mix of residential compatible light industrial uses is intended to provide a transition between the more intense commercial areas and we establish residency areas to northeast.

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Donna george: development in this area would be less intense than in the retail areas, with mainly two to three storey buildings,. The first floor street front uses would be predominantly industrial in character.

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Donna george:, while they use, is above the first floor, may include industrial residential or limited office. Uses lisa also noticed that the lights industrial spaces are getting lost.

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Donna george:, so we need to follow the gun barrel: community center plan,. You cannot change this to high density, residential.

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Donna george: are in craft or office space. A studio spaces are law, both in the ims and I jes owning.

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Donna george: the ims: zoning allows duplexes attached dwellings townhouses in an l. Three alfre means that allowed by right, if at least 50% of the floor year year of the building is for non residential use, such as an art and craft studio, coffee shop restaurants.. I also want to know.

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Donna george: that, on the left, hand, bella carrier, just put in an article about the boat, bader house, ny.. What was formerly called to property that burnt.

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Donna george:, they have it's a quarter of an acre in size. this. This property is one acre size. They plan on putting in five residential units averaging 570 square feet,, plus two commercial units, totally 977 square feet.

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Donna george:, both bowler housing partners, have worked with habitat for humanity in the past. At the payload park, site.

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Donna george:, and they can actually do that here. it can be a live.. We're live work is allowed., I believe in both the iga and the ims.

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Donna george:, so you can have people who live and work.. They can have art studios,. You can make, how you can have housing for sale,, which is probably better, because people get equity and input in the area. You can have housing for that.

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Donna george: is that I'm working here by the people who work in the water treatment plants nearby, teachers., um, so,- this needs to, um,. Another thing I want to say is in.

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Donna george: the plan, the gun barrel, community plan., it says implementation without about community center plan will occur over a long period of time. Three combination of actions for both the public and private sectors,, the.

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Donna george: formation of a gun barrel business alliance is fundamentally important to keep the main many private owners brief.

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Donna george: on the community center plan and working collaboratively collaboratively for a neighborhood benefit and well as well as their individual self interest.

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Donna george: and that's where I'm going with this. I have. I have followed for the last five years., housing partners and I have followed their in their community output. Payload park. the people just wanted to go to a few less.

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Donna george: units,, but oh, no, that wasn't gonna be financially feasible for the investors will get a guaranteed for seven or 9% return on their investment.

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Donna george: plus get to depreciate the thing and then, when they sell it us the taxpayers are paying for that. so,. These should be for sale, units.

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Donna george: or the public,, it should follow the gun barrel comprehensive plan and you should. there's no reason for them to have to change this,. It can remain.

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Donna george: as mixed use, industrial. If it has an id or ims zoning,, they can change the zoning to ims if they want,, which was sounds because that's mixed use are mixed. Service.

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Donna george: industrial. It makes a lot of sense. what does high residential industrial a high residential density allow for them. well,. I have also researched a.

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Donna george: chart here mixed use developments require the greater amount of the residential or non residential standard for open space.

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Donna george:: if bhp goes to high density residential,, they will have to,. They won't have to do as much open space. the people there are already complaining that they don't hardly um I drove by there today with my daughter, is very limited.

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Donna george: park space there, there's very small dog, runs that were the other two apartment building complexes in the area and a small community gardens.

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Donna george: but no park for the people in the area they could have a park here is how many things that they could do, but you can't just go willy nilly.. They did this at the last minute.. They didn't do it in the timeline,. They were supposed to do. It.

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Donna george:, and it's all just so that they can go higher and more density.. This has to follow., just as these others have said, needs to follow the plan and the plan, specifically states that that's for mixed use, industrial, it needs to remain next use. Industrial.

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Donna george: these.

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Donna george:, the previous speaker, choco, talked about. $5 million for lots of money is coming into this area, and citizens and their communities are getting lost.

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Donna george:, so we need to actually listen to the communities.. Listen to the plans that are in place.

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Donna george: and actually have input from the citizens who live in those communities. In the plans on what is affecting their communities,, not just a willy nilly,, you got affordable housing,. You can do whatever you want,, because that is not true..

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Donna george:: you need to listen to the citizens,. There is no way that you can change this,. This needs to stay mixed use, industrial.

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Donna george: um,. I also want to say that you can actually get a pr department cheaper than boulder housing partners at middle creek apartments in gun, barrel.

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Donna george: there is a thing., it's a one bedroom one battle: creek is 1199 for 650 square feet and insist. Slow at boulder housing partners is 1244 651 square feet on some of these others. They have higher square feet for about the same amount of.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): time donna your thought.

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Donna george: thank you, but cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):. Thank you, so much.

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cob,, brenda, ritenour (she/her):. Next on the list,, we have laura sheinbein, followed by david adamson and if anyone else would like to speak now is the time to please raise your hand.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): and I am seeing lynn siegel as well.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):, so we will have laura first,, followed by david laura,. You should be able to unmute now.

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Laura sheinbaum: good evening., can you hear me, yes.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her):, we can, yes., laura sheinbaum: and thank you for having me tonight.. I am laura shy and bam,. I'm director of real estate development for boulder housing, partners.

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Laura sheinbaum:, we just heard a lot of sort of awful things about builder housing partners., but I do think you all know,, as well as the housing authority of the city of boulder.,.

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Laura sheinbaum:, we are a development company,, as well as a property management company that works exclusively for affordable housing, serving low and moderate income residents in the city of boulder..

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Laura sheinbaum:, we are., we know all about affordable housing., I'm not going to do a whole lot of preaching at you tonight about the benefits of affordable product,. But we do know that.

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Laura sheinbaum: about 36%, if not more, of the boulder workforce qualifies for affordable housing and given the current economic climate going on with a pandemic,, we are.

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Laura sheinbaum: certain that that's gone even higher.. There is a lot of instability in the renters community, right, now. and so affordable rental housing is still a very important tool in in the city looking to do diversity and equitable, stable housing.

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Laura sheinbaum:, we just heard about the sequel apartments,. We did just least up at that at that site. 38 units in one month.

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Laura sheinbaum:, so the demand for that product was extensive. We also just leased up 41 units at the canopy apartments,, which is.

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Laura sheinbaum:, a long babylon in between folsom and broadway folsom in 23., excuse me. and again,. At least it up in record time with record interest,. All of our product is.

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Laura sheinbaum: priced according to area median income in boulder housing partners, dives deep into area median income.. So while the sequel apartments might be more expensive than a community and in gun barrel., we also really look to take our rents as low as possible.

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Laura sheinbaum: to take dive into those really those who are most in need for affordable product.. I am here tonight to support the land, use change for 6500 odell. We are under contract to purchase that site.

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Laura sheinbaum: we do not,, we've not acquired it as of yet pending a land use change by the sport and city. Council.-.

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Laura sheinbaum:, we would land bank that and go through an extensive community engagement process like we do with all of our properties, to see what is needed in the community.

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Laura sheinbaum: and work with neighbors to make sure that we are being reflective of that need. with that said,. We are also committed to the providing as much affordable housing permissions.. So we are.

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Laura sheinbaum:, certainly I'm not going to shy away from the fact that we would like to have as many units on that site as possible.

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Laura sheinbaum: to help with the jobs. housing imbalance,, as well as just the affordable, need in the community.

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Laura sheinbaum: so there's lots of benefit of affordable housing and I'm not,, like I said,, I'm not going to spend a lot of time on that.. But I just want to say thank you to gene for all the work that you've done.

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Laura sheinbaum: on the research for this site and then thank you to the planning board as well.. We value our relationship with you all,, and appreciate all of your efforts on behalf of all them. thank you.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): thank you, laura.. Next we have david adamson, followed by land sequel,, and now it's a good time.. If anyone else would like to participate to, please use the raise hand button at the bottom of your screen. david,. You should be able to unmute now.

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David adamson:, thank you, so much. brenda and.

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David adamson: I,, we were a participant, goose, creek, camille and trust was a participant in the mid term update and our pilot program, which had its birth.

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David adamson:, you know, from the 2017 update and thanks to some beautiful work by staff like jace, like net and and other activists,, we got the beginning of,, you know, very good start on that.

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David adamson: and at the urging of bob gates and despite our reservations,, we got involved in the process because we were afraid,. I was going to hold us back and you know we're desperate to get something moving on this innovative project and I,. I was very disappointed in.

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David adamson: learning,, which I could have known if I'd been smarter,, but that we can't really do anything important in the midterm, update.

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David adamson: I, I,, I was shocked.

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David adamson: that this attempt by citizens, you know, after many, many years of public engagement in our neighborhood and and you know, years of effort and working,, starting with the,, you know,, boulder housing.

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David adamson: program in 2014 2015 to respond to an urgent need for workforce and family housing that this idea couldn't go forward because it just,. We can't do anything very important in that time.. So I would just like to.

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David adamson: have the board and the staff reconsider what is done in this interim period,. We don't have staff. we've, we've been trying to get staff to work with us on this going forward.

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David adamson:, which was promised in previous retreats and now,- maybe we can get it in this retreat., but there's no staff capacity for it. But jean did awesome. Work on this staff does beautiful, beautiful work., but I'm kind of suggesting that.

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David adamson:, it's like the banality of evil and hannah errands book where beautiful people work on behalf of a system. That's really not working very well.

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David adamson: in this case, or is, you know,, I'm not saying the city of boulder is evil.. I'm saying that are consistent policy of allowing massive gentrification in this town, where you can have the balsam we're gonna have 940 north street.

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David adamson: six $1.5 million condos in a high residency residency area that can move forward and nothing against the great people. Building that. so,, you know,, that's okay.,.

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David adamson:, but we desperately need this,, but we we, we don't have the staff to do something innovative now. So I just really like us to explore that. and, and finally, I just want to say.

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David adamson:, we certainly support the whatever needs to be done to help 6500 odell older housing partners is out there hustling, trying to get things done.

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David adamson: and some some city council people have the temerity to chide them,. Maybe it didn't, didn't. They didn't follow every, every detail of the process. they're trying to help the people.

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David adamson: of this area., david adamson:, so thank you very much and I just hope we can reconsider what we're doing in this mid term. Update.

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Thank you,, david., cob,, brenda, ritenour (she/her): and next we have lynn siegel.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): man,. You should be able to unmute.

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Lynn, segal:, let's be clear.

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lynn, segal:, let's be crystal clear.

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lynn segal:. It's called road.

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lynn, segal: and it doesn't pay for itself.

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Lynn, segal: and you can get all the affordable housing and all the density that you want.

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Lynn, segal: and the more affordable each each extra, affordable, house.

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Lynn, segal: has service workers for it and where did they come from david adamson, the jobs. housing imbalance, boulder housing partners more and more evictions than any other housing offer in town.

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Lynn, segal:, like tech, low income, housing tax, credits.

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Lynn, segal:, don't take the bait., don't do it.

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Lynn, segal:, the more housing, the more housing,, the more upper and housing, the more lower enhancing the more balsam on one side of the street.

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Lynn, segal: and on the other side of the street,, will their community alpine balsam oh, we're gonna, get it in cheap.

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Lynn, segal:, no growth is not cheap.

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Lynn, segal: growth is gross reservoir. Growth is.

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Lynn, segal:, not lynn, segal:, sustainable, lynn, segal:. You can't do it,, not when you're a.

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Lynn, segal: elevators car elevators at 1737 pearl, on the one hand, and then supporting light text, buns and oz opportunities, zones.

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Lynn, segal: at 29th, street., lynn, segal: and macy's, coming in the day before the moratorium to get their deal pulled. Off.

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Lynn, segal: planning.

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lynn, segal: is planning for this for sustaining the common good and you are not doing it and you need to change.

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Lynn, segal: everyone here that said tonight: gun barrel., yeah., the same thing: odell. no way.

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Lynn, segal:, you can't build your way out of this one harmon.

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Lynn, segal: and david.

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Lynn, segal: and lisa, and peter and lu lu, peter and john, every single one of you, youtube, sarah.

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Lynn, segal:, you can't build your way out of it.. Stop already stop the growth.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): and thank you, lynn,. I see no other hands up at this time. Harmon.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay,, so next up is for us to deliberate on these proposed changes to the comp plan.. I see it's 746 and I imagined the deliberation is going to take some time., so I'm going to call for a break.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:: let's take pb, harmon zuckerman:, seven minutes you back at 753., we'll see you then.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, alright folks., I see. I'm a minute late,. I apologize for that.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. So it's time to begin deliberating on.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: the items that we have in front of me of us.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: and I've asked jeans prepare three separate motions.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: and she has and.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, who just spoke.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: so as you'll see when gene puts the motions up again, they're grouped by the three groups by the grouping that we already have asked our questions in.

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Pb, harmon, zuckerman: and.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, I think for,, for the sake of an organized discussion.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: we can probably, rather than just deliberate and then make three motions.. I think we can deliberate around the first group and make a motion.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: to that group of items and then do the same with the second and third groups.. Does any planning board member or city staff have a problem with that or a better idea.

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Pb john gerstle : as,, as I mentioned before,, I need to recuse myself from one of the.

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Pb john gerstle :, one of the decisions.

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Pb john gerstle : along london., pb, john gerstle, : and see,, I'm not sure exactly which one that is.

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Pb john gerstle :, but if we can separate that out.

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pb, harmon zuckerman: john, what.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. I think what we can do is is we can just record your vote as being a yay or nay for that group with with recusal as it as it relates to that one property. okay.

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Pb john gerstle :, if that's fine, with me. yes,, hello., thanks., okay.,.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: and the only way that that would change anything is if you would have been the fourth. yay. for example, and on that particular.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: that particular item. pb john gerstle : right, I,, I'm not sure that it will be critical,, but I just wanted to go on record as not to not participating in that one.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay, can,. Can you can you look in your packet and sell the board which.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: letter datum a through,. I guess.

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Pb john gerstle : see,, it's pb, harmon zuckerman: today and I and I that you're speaking about.

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Pb john gerstle :: let's see attachment to.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): for the city and open space.

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hella pannewig assistant city attorney:, I mean,. I think it may be better if, if you have a separate motion on that one.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: just to pb, harmon zuckerman:, just pull that one out h4 and just vote on it separately with six of us.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: yeah okay,. We can do that.

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Pb john gerstle : okay, thank you., sorry to.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: model john- that is much appreciated.. Thank you for staying on top of that appreciate that a lot.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay,, so any other issues, and I can't see all of you with the with the motions up so just speak. If you have one.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay., so, jean,. You can pull it down., pb, harmon zuckerman: and we're discussing pb, harmon zuckerman:, just a tg.

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And I think pb, harmon zuckerman:. What I'll do is.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, I'm going to open it up for just any general thoughts that anyone has first to set the stage and then maybe we'll try to speed things up with some negative polling. So.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. Does anybody want to start us off.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: sarah.

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Pb sarah silver: so two separate thoughts. one is I I shared lisa,. I share lisa's concerns about.

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Pb sarah silver: sort of industrial lan death by 1000 cuts and just want to.

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Pb sarah silver: articulate that and then I have a specific concern or question that I'd like to talk through with my fellow board members about item g.

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Pb sarah silver:, if I'm understanding the concern from the public who spoke.

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Pb sarah silver: the,. The concern is that.

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Pb sarah silver:, by moving this these properties or some of these properties from area to area, to.

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Pb sarah silver: you are allowed. The city would be a lot, enabling.

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Pb sarah silver: the development of significantly large homes because of market forces.

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Pb sarah silver: and that kind of goes against what the 26, if I'm understanding this correctly,, what the.

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Pb sarah silver: blue line ballot measure articulated,, which was.

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Pb sarah silver: to not expand opportunities for additional or expanded development and.

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Pb, sarah silver:, that's a long, long, a to b to c thinking. I want to first make sure that I'm understanding it correctly or articulating this correctly. and then, if I am just to say, I'm concerned about that.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: hello, are you,, are you talking to say something.

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Boco, hannah hippely: well,- I just am not sure if it's appropriate at this point in time.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, it is you,. You understand the the area, one, two, and three map and you're you're perfectly. welcome to talk about that to the board.

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Boco, hannah hippely: yeah,, so I can explain to you, boulder county's regulations right now.

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Boco, hannah hippely:, these properties are all in the forest rezone district.. They are all currently developed.. So there's a residence on.

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Boco, hannah hippely:, all of the ones that were talking about.

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Boco, hannah hippely:, there is a view: protection overlays own on them as well.

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Boco, hannah hippely: and that overlays on has been around a way before me,, but I believe it was adopted prior to our site plan review, regulations.

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Boco, hannah hippely: and it specifically limits the heights of development on these properties, as well as our site plan review requirements, have some neighborhood compatibility.

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Boco, hannah hippely: parameters to them,, which.

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Boco, hannah hippely: may result in different development, then could occur in this city.. I don't have a good understanding of what the city might allow.

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Boco, hannah hippely:, but there's nothing preventing any of these homes right now from being purchased by a property owner who wants to scrape it.

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Boco, hannah hippely: and coming through our process to build a new home. that happens all the time. It happens along this edge of the city. quite often,, both within city limits and in those kind of county pockets. So we don't see that changing significantly, you know,.

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Pb sarah silver: hannah, can I just ask a follow up to that. If.

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Pb sarah silver:, if I'm understanding, correctly. those some of these homes, are not hooked. they're, not currently hooked up to city to city, water and sewer., so the, the, there may be homes. Actually some of these parcels are not.

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Pb sarah silver: to develop their or their homes that are on them are not on city water, so bringing them into the city.

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Pb sarah silver: would enable a kind of a development that is currently not possible.. I again. I'm sorry that I'm sort of hesitating, but.

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Boco, hannah hippely:, maybe I can speak to the service service ability. Think directly, then.

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Boco, hannah hippely:, if the properties do not have city services at this time, they likely have a well in a septic system.

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Boco, hannah hippely: and that's common all over boulder county in some pretty challenging terrain.

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Boco, hannah hippely:, so you know we have a quite large homes, expensive homes that operate on balls and subjects throughout the county,. So I don't necessarily see that as a significant limitation.

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Boco, hannah hippely: city services are easier on a property owner and that they don't require continual maintenance,. That sort of thing.

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Boco, hannah hippely:, so there are appealing for that. Reason.

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Boco, hannah hippely:, we have, it's pretty common in the county that when people are faced with a failing septic system that that's when they'll investigate annexation to an adjacent municipality., it's a big investment to repair a septic system.

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Boco, hannah hippely: so,, you know,, the lifespan of those things is limited, and a lot of this development here is.

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Boco, hannah hippely:, you know, some of it's quite old.. It's likely, you know those kinds of repairs would need to be made in order to or an upgrade an investment in, a septic system.

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Boco, hannah hippely: needs to be made in order to improve the property in life.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, so just to be just to make something clear. The change that's proposed from area to area to is not bringing any of these parcels into this city. That would be to bring them into korea. One to annexation,, which isn't being proposed here, john.

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Pb john gerstle : yeah, just for a question and for hannah.

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Pb john gerstle : in looking at these areas.

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pb john gerstle : that that we're talking about right, here., pb, john gerstle :. Those areas are very poorly.

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Pb john gerstle : suited to something system so that I can imagine any enlargement of any of the houses there would require an enlarged or improved septic system.

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Pb john gerstle : according to county standards and criteria., and I'm just wondering how easy it would be for somebody to obtain that sort of arrangement from the townie, because, because the topography of that areas is really poorly suited to septic systems.

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Boco, hannah hippely: right challenging, you are right. and when that is the case,, we see a lot of more evapotranspiration type systems which kind of rely on water evaporating out. Rather than tripling down in, you know, through the bedrock.

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Boco, hannah hippely: and again, those are common throughout the county. you'd. Be surprised at what folks can engineer in some pretty tight and mountainous places.

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Boco, hannah hippely:, it does have an impact on the landscape, you know,, a large septic field might require some.

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Boco, hannah hippely: earthmoving and that sort of thing, retaining wall, sometimes, too. so to some extent.

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Boco, hannah hippely: having boco, hannah, hippely:, sewer and regular water connection can be less physically impactful to.

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Boco, hannah hippely:, you know, to the landscape.

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boco, hannah hippely:, so you might end up with a large house in a large septic system under the county., but if they were able to get.

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Boco, hannah hippely: annexed.. I don't even know that we would presume a larger house, but you reduce the impact of the septic system by providing sewer services.. I'm not.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: another another pb,, harmon zuckerman: point that that I think, is something that we don't have any information in front of us.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: to to substantiate is just,. We don't know whether the county site plan review would allow for larger houses than the city's compatibility standards, which are based on a zoning district.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: and the size of a lot- and you know the county- does compare. They do their own kind of compatibility through site plan review or they look at the size of the houses.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: that are around the subject: property in a certain radius and then a new house being proposed cannot be larger than 125% of its area, mean.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, unless it can show some way, to, you know, to overcome that presumption. That 125% is the maximum size, that's appropriate in that area.. So if you have a lot of really big houses.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, you know there are 8000 square feet in your radius,. You can go to 10,000 square feet in the county before you even bump, into the presumption that you're getting too big.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, whereas the city probably wouldn't allow anything close to a 10,000 square foot house in whatever low density residential zoning district would be applied.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, so I just don't know whether we can really make any assumptions as to which jurisdiction would allow. You know more obtrusive billionaire houses to get built.

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Boco, hannah hippely:. I concur with that and that's one of the reasons you know that the county hasn't. you know,, we don't have an objection to this change.

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Boco, hannah hippely: and designation area three to area to the city has its own regulations for ensuring compatibility. first of all,.

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Boco, hannah hippely: secondarily,, the city, has an opportunities for the annexation process to.

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Boco, hannah hippely: examine what development could be allowed in place limitations on it on a personal by personal basis, during an annexation, negotiation.

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Boco, hannah hippely:. What we asked to have included. was this: the height limitations in our overlay zone as something that would be considered during that annexation.

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Boco, hannah hippely: process., so that is in the policies that you're considering tonight.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: any other, follow up on this particular issue.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay,. Does anybody want to make a more general comments before we.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: try to speed it up, potentially.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: I'll make one pb, harmon zuckerman:. If no one else is ready to right, now.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, so I think that pb, harmon zuckerman:, you know in general the the changes that we have in front of us are acceptable to me and I could vote for them.. The.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, first one about the tv app phase. Two. a was one that we wanted in our may 28 planning board hearing., but when we were told that staff didn't have the resources to handle that we put that in sort of a second subcategory of work plan items,, along with the.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: sub community planning for gun barrel and in some other important items that we wanted council and staff to consider down the road.. So I don't know how staff found the resources to put.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: t that back in as a map change when it wasn't going to happen,, but they did. and so genuine a crow,. A little are.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): ya, know,. I wish I could. um,. We had anticipated this to a the 30th street part moving ahead,, it's the,, it's the part across the railroad tracks that we didn't have the capacity to do. That, we are suggesting should be examined on a future work. Plan.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay, good. alright,. So then that was already there.. My fault alpine balsam is the underlying land use to facilitate the zoning changes for the.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: plan that we spent so much time on over the last few years, little disappointed in the mount hope church not going forward, based on community input,. Because when you look at the surrounding land, use.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, you know,, it's pretty heavily residential there and it's it's a really good transit location where the skip makes its turn,, and so it's one of the most transit.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, friendly places and it,. It is really a gateway to boulder and could use, you know,. I think, you know,. It could use new zoning. now, if the.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, if the notion is that people want to see a project before they'll approval and use change that. I hope that someone proposes one someday,. If that's what the property owner is interested in.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, I mean, pb, harmon zuckerman:. You want it to interrupt me, david.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, I just since you're on that one., so we don't have to loop back to it.. Do you mind if I just chime in on that.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: well,. I just wanted to go pb, harmon zuckerman: through pb david ensign (he/him/his):. We can look back, pb,, harmon zuckerman: and you can you can talk to it. You know in you can go through everything. Just like I did,. If you'd like.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, but yeah, so for adele, place.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, you know I. I worry a lot about the change from industrial to non industrial zoning and non industrial land use, and I was.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: brian and I brian bone, and I did a lot of the heavy lifting to create policy to point to one. In the recent comp plan update and the.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: the,. The thing that I think we messed up on was that we wrote that policy.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: for light industrial and so they're all these other districts that are service, industrial and general, industrial and so forth that aren't getting captured.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, and I think, if you really want to do something great. the next time you know for people are still going to be on the planning board. After I'm gone.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: think about updating policy 2.212 and increase the scope of the kinds of industrial uses that are covered by it, because this would be a lot easier to shoot. Down.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. If you want to shoot down the change to 6500 odell policy, 2.21 included a prohibition on changing.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: other industrial uses and not just the light industrial, so I'm just leaving a little seed and hoping that you'll plant it at some point down the road.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, but as it is., I think that the the use at 6500 o'dell,, which is being proposed, is compliant with the intent of that area. Right now. and I think staff has done the right thing and proposing that change.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: for 47th street. It's a no brainer.. It was a no brainer.. When we looked at it. on may 28.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: the,, the hillside road is just a correction. and I think that the minor adjustments to the service area for the blue line to take them into area to make sense.. So you know that that's my,, that's my thought: process around everything. and I'll leave it up to david to take it from there.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): I,. I agree with everything you just said. The thing I wanted to add on the greenbrier and broadway proposal.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): I,, I just,. I think it's interesting to think about, well, what you know now that we're kind of sticking with an lr one.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): zoning.. What could we see and in alternative, as kind of a bye, bye right proposals that could unfold.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, could we see subdivision into a few lots and a few fairly large expensive houses unfold there? You know there's there's.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): certainly some repercussions to not being able to get past that envisioning process.. So I also share your disappointment with that. One.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, and I know that it's not clear that necessarily every subdivision and and large home proposal would necessarily work its way through the process,. But.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, that is kind of where we sit when we have when we leave things in the in the load. You think things at a fairly major intersection, a low density, residential designation. So.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):. I just wanted to add that color to what you were saying. other than that, yeah,. I agree with everything you said. and I'm happy with all the proposals in front of us in in a 3g.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: thank you, david.. Does anybody else have any general comments, john.

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Pb john gerstle : yeah,. I think your comments are quite reasonable and I agree with you on the gunner on crop or greenbrier and brockway a.

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Pb john gerstle : lot there. pb john gerstle :. My concern is what happens at odell place.

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Pb john gerstle :, and how that pb, john gerstle :, leads us to wonder,. What is the significance of an area plan if we.

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Pb john gerstle : so, rightly, change, change it in a significant way.

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Pb john gerstle : that's,. That's one concern I have and I'm talking about the gun barrel area plan and the other concern I have is with respect to loss of industrial space, which, as a someone who's been participating in the east, boulder sub community plan efforts. That's extremely.

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Pb john gerstle : a great concern there. and I think it's an equally great concern in gun girl., I'm sorry.. I got a dog howling here for close the door.

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Pb john gerstle : um,, so pb john gerstle :. So with with respect to dell, my.

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Pb john gerstle :: it's not clear to me that this is the way to go.

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Pb john gerstle : and I would, and enjoy hearing other folks thoughts on that.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: well john.. The reason why I said that I think that I can live with this one is that.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, you know the gun barrel. Community center plan says this area will be characterized by a mix of residential and compatible light industrial uses., and so this would provide the residential portion.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: of what's called for in that plan and and it would allow for more affordable housing and then, as far as the,, the fear about losing industrial, you know, I've been on record.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: countless times at this point about how important the retention of diversity.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: in this community is and sustainability and resilience through having places where people who are makers and fixers and doers can actually afford to stay and and that's why we wrote policy 2.21. We.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: dammit,. We we drafted it much too narrowly, and hopefully that'll that'll get broadened out and you know: you'll have some teeth.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: to use if you want to., if you want to knock down a proposal like this,, but I think that,, given the state of the law right now in the state of the code and the comp plan., this one actually works.

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Pb john gerstle :. Well as sarah mentioned,, I fear the depth of 1000 cuts for for our industrial land in town.. So.

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Pb john gerstle : concerned for me. I do.

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Other thoughts. pb, harmon zuckerman: sarah.

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Pb sarah silver:, so, given I mean I, I know, there's at least four people, members of the board who have concerns about this industrial land, loss.

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Pb sarah silver:, while supporting the specifics that are in front of us. generally supporting them., is there any kind of language that we could.

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Pb sarah silver: propose that pb sarah silver: might.

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Pb sarah silver: take a step to.

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Pb sarah silver: protecting the surrounding industrial land at o'dell, or setting aside a little bit of land at 30th and folsom, 30th and belmont,. That could be some light. Industrial.. I'm just wondering if we can think little creatively about trying to save some, you know,.

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Pb sarah silver: putting some stopgap measures associated with the projects that are in front of us tonight for the., I'm sorry,, the land., the designation,, the land use changes proposed tonight.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: any creative, thoughts,, ideas, david.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, I've always felt like. I would feel better about this., I'm concerned that we have over the light industrial. If I had better data to indicate.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): that,, you know, yes,, there have been,, we have it over, outweighs the concern we have for affordable housing goals, which are an incredibly important and very difficult.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): hurdle for us to always deal with., and this is a huge project for for making the dentin in affordable housing. Opportunities.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, so to me, when I read the the the subcommittee plan for for gm barrels: commercial district,, I feel that that it fits in, because of the priority of affordable housing and the fact that there are words to support it. Now.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, you know,. If we had some, maybe some study that really showed that we were in trouble in some sort of a red zone with regards to industrial. I'd feel maybe like that that had a little more teeth.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, but I think we do. we do do. We do a lot of hand wringing about the industrial stuff. and I think we should be concerned about it,, but I also don't know that I've seen a.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): really compelling analysis of what the economic challenges are around that and that that doesn't mean I'm not,. I don't mean to minimize minimize it for that., but maybe we could consider.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): encouraging the city to to do a study of where we're at with with our industrial spaces, so that we, we have maybe a slightly more rigorous handle around that to be so there,. That's my idea.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, so it's pb,, harmon zuckerman: 821 we've been at this for two hours and 21 minutes and peter vitaly finally put his hand up.

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Pb, peter vitale: they're all doing really a good job tonight, and I don't always feel the need to impress everybody.

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Pb, peter vitale:: we get to the same point with this industrial issue. every time it comes up that we don't have the data. and furthermore,. I'm concerned that.

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Pb, peter vitale:, if we don't address the affordable housing issue., none of these industrial users are going to be in boulder anyway, because the people who work at their shops already can't afford to live in boulder and are driving in elsewhere and.

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Pb, peter vitale:, for whatever reason, these great industrial tenants are still here and I'm glad they are, but.

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Pb, peter vitale:, I do know they're leaving and it is a problem., but if we don't solve the housing., the problem is going to accelerate. So.

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Pb, peter vitale: picking this issue up and looking at it.

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Pb, peter vitale: in a vacuum isn't going to do anyone any good.. So I agree with david that again we need to ask for this data.

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Pb, peter vitale: we've talked about this in circles before and we're back to the same place. and we still don't have any real information where we do and we didn't. I didn't know, I mean.

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Pb, peter vitale:, I don't know how we get it.. I know everyone's busy., the city's busy. they're doing a great job and everything,, but for us to make these decisions without that, or just going on gut.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, so I saw lisa's hand up and the pizza. just put her up, lisa.

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Pb, lisa smith: sorry. um, yeah,. I agree with, with what I'm hearing from other folks, you know,.

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Pb, lisa smith:. We are sort of left in this information vacuum and then you know you look at an individual project.. Do you think? Okay? Well, housings, really important and bhp has done incredible work on this, and this is.

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Pb, lisa smith:, you know, seems like something that I should support and that I would support and that we need.

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Pb, lisa smith:, but I don't have a sense of what it means and the overall framework, you know, and so certain things, right., so the top. So so I guess I'm just actually not.. I don't know what.

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Pb, lisa smith: staff, research, coats resources can be pulled toward that., but I'd love to know,, you know,. Who are we losing? What percentage. is it accelerating.? How much land who are how many people were they employing.

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Pb, lisa smith:, if you have it the data on where those people live and work. you know,, are they commuting from outside the city. anyway,, which I don't love you know, but all of that would be really, really useful..

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Pb, lisa smith: yeah,, because otherwise it's just kind of like, well, seems like a good project and it's less industrial space,, but it's good.. So I guess we're gonna vote for it,, which I don't think it's mostly the wrong. Decision.

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Pb, lisa smith:, but I don't feel fully informed to make that decision.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: pizza.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: to make sure that I'm unmuted, I muted myself a while, because I was wanting to say something,, but I just keep listening to people that everybody has thoughtful things to say..

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: yeah,, so my comment has to do with it. both the light industrial losses that we are looking at.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:. I think if we brought it up when we discuss even a letter to counsel that we are aware that we need to be paying attention to this.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:. I think it would be good for us to kind of make it a priority.. I really like davis idea., I mean, that's a sort of thing that I would like to die. always rather have.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: data to make decisions., so I always kind of think of, you know,. Where are we standing,, but surely it has risen to a level.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, that is coming up multiple times more frequently., and so I think that we become more aware of it.. I think we need to do something, if there's something that can be done. this time around. In some wording like sarah sort of suggested, they'll be good.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:. So that's with regards to light industrial.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: sounding, but the other one was the. I have been so excited about the possibility of having something really unique and exciting for the young people near fairview, and I'm in southern hills. in fact,. Just recently had a discussion with.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: one of my sons about having an in and out burger. right.

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pb,, lupita d, montoya: and I'm sure he will bring a lot of businesses and it will be the hangout place for the young people.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: and,, you know,, there are long lines and the tubes places that they come on.. So I just joined that thing out. There.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: either has something that can be done. this time around. I was disappointed that we couldn't go straight into just recently, so that that can be happening., but if we can plan some ideas on.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, you know, the developers,. This may be something that it will be really welcome. so yeah,. I think for the most part, I'm,, I'm okay, with the suggested changes with this couple of issues, and thank you to my.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: board members for your thoughtful considerations.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: thanks for pizza. any other comments.

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Pb, harmon, zuckerman:, general or specific.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay,, I'm gonna,, I'm going to ask you then.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, despite some of our reservations around the missed opportunity on south broadway.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: losses of industrial land use in our.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: in our comp plan, land use map.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: is there anybody who would vote? No? On the first motion for the area, one property changes.

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Pb john gerstle : yeah can start include the, on the, on dell place or another just about which ones were talking about. Right.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: it does. yeah, it's on between a page two and three in the staff recommendation of your packet. okay.. You could be cave ii.

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Pb sarah silver:, so I would I would support it as written,, but I'm wondering if we could craft, then this may not be the proper venue, at this moment,, but maybe craft a.

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Pb sarah silver: friendly amendment or emotion that would in courage, council to consider the kind of research on our data gathering on industrial zone last job, loss,, etc. um so yeah gene.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, I was gonna say,. I think we're getting some of that information through the east folder sub community planning process, especially, are the fifth and arapaho stationary, a master planning. we're having some economic analysis done, but.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, I I think that cob jean gatza, (she/her): given and knowing that the number of times a week that this board has brought up this issue and we've talked about it that that's some work that we're going to need to do. In the context of the.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): east folders sub community plan, because just hearing this conversation. now the to be able to make recommendations in that area. Without that.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, I think that's the a good place to be able to provide some of that data. and also,. If we are when when and if we are pursuing the.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, the rest of phase two for transit village area plan,. One of the criteria on that was to have some market analysis and some absorption types of.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): data with that effort.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, the panel.

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Pb sarah silver:, so can I just.? Can I just follow up the chain? Our management.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: yet,. Please go.

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Pb sarah silver: gina, you.

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Pb sarah silver: are you, so I really appreciate that the east boulder subcommittee planning process is going to reveal some of that data,, but it,. It's not taking a city wide look. is that correct,.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, I don't think all of its complete. Yet so I'm and I'm going to probably look to charles, because I.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): don't want to promise and on a promise analysis,. We don't have funding for, but we have talked about the need to make sure that we've have a good understanding of some of those.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): market forces for that sub community planning process, and it would likely need to reflect. What's you know, how, how does,, how does the industrial fit into the wider.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): context of the city uses.

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Pb sarah silver: so,, so, charles., it is gene talking about some that would be a city, would cover city wide industrial.

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Cob, charles ferro: no, that's,, that's not my understanding,. I think the work in the east folder sub community is really limited to that..

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Cob, charles ferro:, you know, discrete universe. As far as industrial lands. go and jeans. read, it took a look at the tea bag plan over the break and.

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Cob, charles ferro: everything, that's east of the railroad tracks, all of it in phase two of tea, bap tv app is light industrial right, now. and before we did any planning out there.

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Cob, charles ferro:, that's that was one of the things that was predicated in the plan was that we would do some market analysis about service, industrial and light industrial uses out in phase two of tea. That.

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Cob, charles ferro:, but like it did say earlier, it does preserve quite a large swath of industrial on the future land music.. So I know those considerations were made when we were talking about loss of service,, industrial and general industrial properties and the team that planning process.

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Pb sarah silver: okay, thank you.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, so one of the things, sarah,, you know you you suggested, is there some way that we could try to preserve our industrial? Now and- and I said well, you know we messed up by only calling out light industrial and the comp plan.. Maybe you can fix that later.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: one of the things now that it occurs to me, as I listened to you that we might think of doing is in our third motion. Where we're talking about text and policy. Changes.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, we could,, we could suggest taking the word light out of policy 2.21 right, now. and,, you know,, while the comp plan amendment things you're, pretty big project with a lot of public outreach. And, you know, lightly mess around with policies.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: in a midterm, update and I'd really like to just rewrite the whole policy to make it clear that what we're trying to do is preserve our industrial space in the city of boulder,. For all the reasons of resilience and and sustainability that I've talked about,, we may be able to push through.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: a more,, you know, modest proposal,, which leaves all the language intact for now. and sure,. You can, you know, I'll, leave it up to you to beef it up at the next update major update, where you'll probably still be around for that.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, but if we took out the word light from the title. and then where it says, the city supports its light. Industrial areas, just take that word, light out as well and just say: the city supports its industrial areas,. You know,.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: that could be a change that would gain a little bit of traction. so,. You know,. I think we could, if people are interested in that,. Maybe in the third motion we we might add that change.

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Pb sarah silver:, I think that's really interesting. and when we get there., maybe we'll come back and talk it over with the policy staff and and hell out of find out. If.

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Pb sarah silver: it works. what kind of policy analysis has to be done for such a proposal. If and if any policy analysis has to be done. like, what the implications might be,, but I like the idea very much.

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Pb sarah silver:, as long as staff, think some we aren't like starting some ball rolling down the hill that hasn't been fully analyzed.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: ok,, so I asked for a negative pole.. I think at this point.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, I'm just going to ask for emotion.. Can you put the motions, backup, gene.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: there,. Anybody who wants to make the the motion. well,. I can see all your faces.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: john.

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Pb john gerstle :, I would,. I would love to have odell play separated out from the rest.

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Pb john gerstle : of these my,, my concern is twofold.. One is that I I don't,. I intend to support everything else except them. and I'd like to be able to do that, and the other is that it seems to me that.

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Pb john gerstle :. We have not really considered what we're doing with respect to the area plan and gun barrel in a suitable manner.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, yeah, well, I'd be amenable to that.

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pb, harmon zuckerman:. So if book,, a group of other people agree and there's emotion maker than the suggestion would be to make emotion and where it says.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: in attachments., a through g. your motion would be in attachments. a through c and emerging, so you would be accepting d and for one day we would have a separate vote on that david.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): yeah,. It makes such emotion, if you're ready for it.

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pb, harmon zuckerman: make it pb david ensign, (he/him/his): motion to approve lenny's map and planning area map, changes to the boulder valley. Comp plan is shown and describing the staff member and and attachments. a through c and e through g.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: well,. I have a second.

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Pb john gerstle : I'll check on that.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay,, so we have emotion from david and sign and it's been seconded by john birstall.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. Is there any discussion to this motion and just speak because I can't see everybody.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: hearing, hearing none.

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pb, harmon zuckerman: oh,. Now I can see all I just spread my screen out a little for the side that has the people in it.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. So then I'm going to repeat that and make it the motion of the board.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, the planning board moves to approve the land, use, map and planning areas. Map changes to the boulder rally. Comprehensive plan is shown in described in the staff memo and and attachments. a through c and e through g all in. well, no,, I'm going to do a.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: roll call, both david and time.. I pb, harmon zuckerman: lisa smith.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. I will peter montoya.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:. I.

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Pb, peter vitale:, peter vitaly, I pb, harmon zuckerman:, sarah silver.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: hi john crystal.

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Pb john gerstle : I pb, harmon zuckerman: and I bought I. so,. The first motion passes unanimously.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: now,.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: I'm going to make the second motion. it's just the same. Language.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: so motion to approve the land, use, map and planning areas. Map changes to the boulder valley, comprehensive plan is shown and described in the staff memo and attachment d.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. Can I get a second for that.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): I'll second.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay, david seconds, so got emotion by zukerman seconded by n. Sign any discussion to this motion.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay,, then I'm going to call a roll call. Vote, david., hi, lisa.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, hi, peter.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: hi, peter., pb,, harmon, zuckerman:, hi, sarah.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: hi john.

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Hey, pb, harmon zuckerman: and I will vote is so the emotion passes it six to one girl still against.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay,. Now we have a.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: second, pb, harmon zuckerman: sight of that we're going to talk about,, which is this for area, two, and three properties requiring for body review.. So jean. can you put the screen down for now.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, so this will do it the same way.. Is there anyone who would like to make any general comments about these, these two h and I and john: I understand that you have a limitation here, so you don't have to speak to,. I believe it was aged for I'll look at the list of them.

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Pb john gerstle :, yeah., pb,, harmon, zuckerman:, yeah, zero linden, so john won't be, will break this motion into two and and then we'll do a vote on zero linden without john.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: any general comments about these properties and the changes proposed for them.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: david.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, yeah, I,, I support.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, this section almost completely I I did want to raise the issue that I'm really not sure. I understand what sort of public outreach was done in the use of the hogan pan cost property.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): that property was acquired by the city of boulder because of public outcry over the penitential for residential development and now we're looking at designated designating. It.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): open space acquired,, which is basically a permanent designation.. Once you do that,, no one will ever ever allow anything to go on there.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, we could have designated it public, and made it something that we could have potentially put some other kind of a public accommodation on, but when we make it open space acquired this property that was actually not identified by open space department is being open. Space.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, important or significant is now being designated that way., and I wondered if we've thought about that very much.. I find that a little, little odd.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): anybody have a comment.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, hey,, sorry,, you're gonna, say something. no.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): dream, did you want to say anything about that.? I don't want to put you on the spot,, but.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): um,. No, I I don't. I think that the.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): turtles may know some of the history on that too, because I don't think.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, we just worked with our open space colleagues and the identification of what the recommended land use changes were for those.. I don't have depth on the on where those boundaries were and why.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): and it was, it wasn't necessarily taken to the public for discussion,. As far as I know, right., it was just sort of something that kind of fell. Through, you know, the processes.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, these were taken through the open space board of trustees., the recommendations.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: and the open space port I'm led to believe, then, jim supported the change to open space acquired.

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Cob, jean gatza, (she/her):, that's correct.,.

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Hella pannewig assistant city attorney: and, I believe in the purchase of the properties of open space funds, were used.

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Hella pannewig assistant city, attorney: income, some restrictions out of the charter automatically.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, that's interesting. thank you.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay. hello,, thanks for that information.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, very important,, okay, um,.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: so,, pb,, harmon, zuckerman: no,, no other comments about pb, harmon zuckerman: about this, ah, and I.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay,. So then I guess the suggestion that I would make to the motion maker is that you make the motion with the recommended language.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, except where you're going to accept out item h4 from your motion to approve this second motion and then we'll have a separate vote on that.. Can I get emotion maker and can you put the motions up, gene, please.

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Pb sarah silver: I'll make a motion,, but I can't do it till I see the.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. I don't expect that you memorize pb, harmon zuckerman: to wait until the screen changes.

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Pb sarah silver:, I can't remember what I had for lunch for dinner,, which I literally had five minutes. Ago.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, the emotions in the packet were enormous, so I'm pb, sarah silver:, so glad they were screen. yes.

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Pb sarah silver: okay,, so I'm making a motion to approve the land, use, map and planning area areas. Map changes to the boulder valley, comprehensive plan is shown and described in the staff memo and in attachments h, and I accepting attachment h. a. h. for. excuse, me. yeah.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: and I get a second for sarah's motion,, the pizza and in or is there any discussion to the motion.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay,, then I'll make it. The motion of the board planning board moves to approve the land, use, map and planning areas. Changes to the boulder valley, comprehensive plan is shona described in the staff member memo and attachments age, and I exclusive of h4.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: do a roll call vote. david unsigned, hi, lisa.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, hi, peter.

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Pb, peter vitale:, hi, peter., I'm.

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Pb sarah silver: sarah hi. pb john gerstle : john hi, pb,, harmon, zuckerman: and I'll vote is so that motion is approved seven to nothing., now, john. If you can click off your screen and your mic.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: will exclude you from this next motion.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, so this would just be a motion to approve attachment. the everything that it's written, except you'll say attachment. H4.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay, do I have emotion, maker now.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): there. pb david ensign, (he/him/his): david, a motion to approve the land use map and planning areas, map changes to the valley. Comp plan is shown and described in the staff memorandum and an attachment h for that right before.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, you got second.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. Sarah second did it. So I have emotion from n sign seconded by silver, and is there any discussion to the motion.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay,, then I'll make it. The motion of the board planning board moves to approve the land, use, map and planning areas. Map changes to the boulder rally comprehensive plan has shown and described in the staff memo and an attachment h4.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: david enzyme., oh., hi, lisa smith.

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Pb, lisa smith:, all right,, I'm eating,. I.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: love pizza,, I pb, peter vitale:, peter. hi., pb, sarah silver:, sarah hi. pb,, harmon zuckerman: and although die so that motion passes. six to nothing with pb, harmon zuckerman: john girl, still recused pb, harmon zuckerman: alright,. So the next discussion is going to be about the policy and text changes of gene.. If you can pull the screen, down, please.

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Pb, peter vitale:, if you get john back.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: and let's get on back.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: john's back., alright, great., so I'll do it the same way as the other ones were talking about the text changes that are in attachment, j.? Is there any,? Are there any general comments around that.

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Pb sarah silver: would this be at a good opportunity to bring up your idea. Harmon have.

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Pb sarah silver: slightly a proposal or recommending a slight revision to 2.21.

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pb sarah silver:, I'm bringing it up.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: yeah,, and I think we would just do that if we did that by just adding that you know the steps recommended motion and then additionally, a minor text change to policy 2.21 to remove the word light where it appears in front of industrial.

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Pb, sarah silver:, so the only thing I would ask is, charles.. If you.

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Pb sarah silver:, what your feedback on making a change like that is.

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Cob, charles ferro:, in what regard.

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Pb sarah silver: well,. Do you have any concerns that, even though it seems like a minor.

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Pb sarah silver: rhetorical change.. It might have implications that we that we need to think about.

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Cob charles ferro: yeah,, I mean,, I think we would probably have to study it. if it was something that.

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Cob, charles ferro:, you know, grew legs.. I think we would probably want to take a look at what that meant.. As far as unintended consequences., I wouldn't know off the top of my head, though.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: and I think, like by grow, legs, charles., you mean city council would.

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Cob charles ferro: counsel takes interest in it and direct staff to.

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Cob, charles ferro:, you know, to make that change that we would have to do some analysis around them., right.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya:, so pizza. yeah,, but just to make sure this is just for that one policy 2.2 right. So it's not fun.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: one. so,. It will be very confined.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: right.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: yes, pizza is just confined policy to point to one.

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Pb sarah silver: and we could frame it as a recommendation to consider.

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Pb sarah silver: making such a language change.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, if that's the case,, then we would have to link back.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: you loop back.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: back in and and vote again.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:: if we made the change, then council could either support it or not. and if they didn't,, then it would die. If, if we recommended to council that they consider it and then they considered it and said, yeah,, that's good., then they would come back to us for final approval.

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Pb sarah silver:, so it just seems to me,. Since we don't know the there hasn't been an analysis of such a change. That a recommendation for consideration is a better way to go.

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Pb sarah silver: okay,, I'm just.

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Pb sarah silver:, I'm just trying,, I'm trying to be cognizant.. I mean,. I realized that staffs plate is full.

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Pb sarah silver:, but I also wouldn't want us, pb sarah silver:, to make it to propose a change that council,. Given how complex this particular.

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Pb sarah silver: piece of docket or docket.

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Pb sarah silver: content is would not recognize this to be a change that could have.

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Pb sarah silver:, possibly considerable considerable impact., I'm just trying to.

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Pb sarah silver: eat this,, you know, we, us removing one word from 2.21 might slip right under the radar for city council when they're. Looking at this.

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Pb sarah silver: hundred and 12 page document as one document in a seven document- city, council hearing.. So that's what I'm just trying to be careful about.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: yeah,. I don't think that's gonna happen. You know if staffs going to put the staff report in front of them. and because this is a to body, review.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. This is something that if, if planning board starts the ball rolling on a new policy,, then it's incumbent upon council to either support that or don't support. That.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: to other pieces in favor of doing this.. Now,. Are you know if it isn't.? I would that a lot that this is not a policy that was quantitatively studied the first time around.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, don't think that it needs to be quantitatively studied the second time around.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. The second piece is that the policy goes on to talk about different kinds of industrial and goes on to talk about preservation of our industrial uses.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, so I think that the intent of the policy is to preserve industrial in boulder,, not just light industrial.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: and it's been it's been largely. You know, thought of as a light industrial preservation policy because of its title and because of that first sentence,. But if you read deeper into it.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, it encompasses many other forms of industry and not just light industrial. So you know I would. I would be willing to take a crack at just doing it. and if council doesn't like it.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, they don't have to,, but it gets it on the record.. And if you know, if two years from now on. we're doing the.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, you know you guys will be doing the next update. You want to change the policy more thoroughly to make it clear that you know we want.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: industrial land to be preserved in boulder at affordable rates so that we have a resilient community that can respond to crises in a timely fashion and with,. You know, with power.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, you know,, then that's what I was hoping that the policy would really say.. So I'm not asking to make that change. Now.

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Pb sarah silver: well,, then I'm I personally would be comfortable adding a sentence or,, you know, something to the motion that addresses that.

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Pb sarah silver:, but I'm sure other people have thoughts as well.

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Cob, charles ferro:, I hope that helps clarify harmon., so thanks.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): david yeah,, I'm just trying to think about how much this really would help me in a in a in. I actually making decisions like we made tonight. The removal of the word light doesn't actually.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): do that much for me. and I guess maybe other people might have a different idea about that, but it, it doesn't, because I don't feel like we have a whole lot of heavy industry in boulder. and if I look at it back to a and and the hotel., both of those are very light. Industrial.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): removing light, doesn't change anything.. I actually wrote a potential separate motion that people might want to consider something like.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, several of the proposed changes positively of these proposed changes positively address the jobs. housing imbalance.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): and affordability. however,. They may have the side effect of reducing the development opportunity for industrial uses.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): planning board, recommends that the city prioritize the study of trends in city wide industrial zoning inventory, potentially in conjunction with these folders sub community plan.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): to ensure that we can better understand the ramifications of sexual and these changes.. So I thought that that would actually.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): reject that we are concerned, and we don't feel like we have enough data, but but it does, of course, create work, potentially,. If we can do it all under the east, boulder something meaningful. and so that's the way I was thinking.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, but if it makes people feel better to remove lights, we you know I. I have no real problem with that.. It's just,, I just don't know what it will help with that.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. I would I would come back. david by saying that when we've had, like, tonight we have mixed use industrial service, industrial. If we,, if we look back,, we've had., we've had general industrial and other land uses that have been changed.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: on districts that have been been changed in our time.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, and because they weren't specifically li they, they got through. and so,. You know,, it's been the interpretation.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: of staff in this board up to this point that if it isn't specifically changing light industrial, it's any other.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: letter, other than l in front of the eye that it's fair game. and I think that, you know, we're telegraphing that you know we want to preserve all kinds of industrial are removing the light.

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Pb sarah silver:, couldn't we do both., we could do both., remove the light and also david's proposal,, which is more about data. data gathering and analysis..

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Pb sarah silver: and they're not mutually exclusive. in fact,, they might be mutual, mutually reinforcing.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: mm hmm. yeah,. I think that's true.

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Pb john gerstle : I,. I think that makes a lot of times.

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Pb john gerstle :. I would support them.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: me too. pb, harmon zuckerman: okay,, so, um,. Are there any general? Other general comments about this? Third group.-.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: alright,, well, david,. Why don't we pb, harmon zuckerman:? Why don't we do a negative poll? Does everybody.? Is there anybody who wouldn't vote. yay. on.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: vote to approve this. Third group.-.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: policy and text changes,, specifically with the change to policy 2.21 and the further recommendation that dave read.

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Pb sarah silver: there were multiple negatives in there.. I would support all of those things.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, okay, so., so david,. If you want to make the motion because you did the heavy lifting., I just suggest that.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: the when you make the motion you you say.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: that additionally pb, harmon zuckerman:. We want.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. We are.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: approving a text change or a policy change the policy to point to one to remove the word light where it appears before industrial.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): all right. okay. pb david ensign (he/him/his):. If we can display the the.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): text of the recommended amendments, I will should be able to do that.

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Pb, harmon, zuckerman: and david further. I could even suggest saying something: like,, you know,.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: in order to.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: more, more effectively preserve.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, boulders industrial land, use.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: to pb, harmon, zuckerman: further,, you know, to preserve boulders ability to be resilient and for other reasons. planning board, approves the following policy change and then.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, you know,. If you want to give a preamble for a reason for it. that's,, that's fine too., I'm not trying to make the motion, but, however, you want to do it.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: and the reason why I say that is because it's going to go to counsel like that they might want to know why.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, I'm.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): okay,, I'm junior able to display their emotions and then now.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, let's see if I can type in that part, but I'll do my best.

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Great with the preamble.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): okay.

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pb david ensign (he/him/his): motion to approve the policy and text changes to the boulder valley, comprehensive plan, as shown and described in a.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): min j.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): in addition, planning board, recommends that to.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): to further preserve the.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): industrial zones in in that section two to one. remove the word light before the word. Industrial.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): that makes sense. that's the one. I was a little bit on.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, maybe I'll, I'll draft a little something. While you talk to dave yeah.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, and that planning board recommend recognizes that several of the proposed changes. actually,. I wonder if the, the one with the study should maybe be a separate motion, since that refers to one,, two, and three.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, because that refers to odell and.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): that one's a little bit more disconnected from just the wording,. The wording changes.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, okay, yeah,. I think you can do it that way.

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pb david ensign (he/him/his):, maybe make make that one a different one. and you can make this motion.

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pb, harmon zuckerman: okay. pb david ensign (he/him/his):, because you, I think you have a better handle on the wording around two to one. and that was kind of your idea.. You mind if I pump that over to you.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: yeah, and then you can just make a whole separate motion as a recommendation for the study.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: give me a second. I'm going to type this out.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, I send you. I'll go ahead and send my text to you while we're doing this.

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Cob, cindy spence: david.

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Cob, cindy spence: yes,. Thank you texted it to me is this.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):: this will be the not the one carmen's going to make,, but the emotion that I'll make after that.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):. I can email it if it's easier.

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Cob, cindy spence:, could you email it that I'm just.

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Cob, cindy spence: as long.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): the whole motion.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, all right, cindy.. It's coming your way.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: thanks for waiting., everyone.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, this doesn't look like a broken emailed. It just looks like a book in text.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): okay, cindy., should we shipped to cindy sharing.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, that's fine, I'll need the motion language in three.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay,, I can,. I can keep that for now. okay.

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Cob, cindy spence: so is harmon,. Yours is the first part.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: right,, so pb, harmon zuckerman:. So what I'll do.

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Cob, cindy spence:, I haven't got your jam harmon.. Did you send it.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: I did and I can just read it.

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Pb,, harmon, zuckerman: and planning board can listen to it., and if we want to wordsmith it,, you can put it up on the screen.

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Cob, cindy spence: so, pb, harmon zuckerman:, I'm going to start pb, harmon zuckerman: motion to approve the policy and text changes to the boulder valid comprehensive plan is shown in described in attachment, j.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, in addition to preserve boulders, industrial land use and industrial areas, for the sake of the city's diversity, sustainability and resiliency, as a community,.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: planning board approves a policy change whereby the word light is deleted in policy to point to one where it appears before the word. Industrial.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: can I get a second and then we can discuss it, peter.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: was that a second for you.. I saw your hand up for.

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Pb, peter vitale:, a second. okay.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: any discussion around that.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): I can, if I can just ask the folks, can help, help me to be able to articulate this to council as to the.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her):, what you would like to achieve by the like. I know, we've been talking talking about this,, but to help re, articulate that again.

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Cob charles ferro: yeah,, that would be helpful, harmon and us.

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cob charles ferro:, transmitting mr council,, because I apologize., I missed the initial discussion of a part of 2.21. So we want to make sure the intent is clear.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, so first of all, it would just be displayed with strike through the word light and the title that would be helpful to point to one industrial and then.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, the city supports it strike through light industrial areas. That's it to strike through the word light and.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: and everything else stays the same, and the concept is that,. You know, we're seeing conversion of industrial property to other uses, and.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: planning board has voiced it's it's concerned about that over the rules that when we lose these industrial uses, we end up having to drive too long month to get a tire change.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:: we can't find a vacuum, cleaner repair person in the city. and, I think more importantly, we lose the kinds of jobs.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: that are populated by people who make things and fix things and aren't just eggheads or trust. Funders or,, you know, university, students,, you know,. These are people who are useful contributors to the community.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, who understand the industrial arts,. You can build a house and- and I don't want to live in a community, which doesn't include people like them.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: and so we're not trying to wholesale rewrite 2.21. We just want to beef it up a little., because we've seen that we've lost some industrial property because it wasn't li.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, you know, some other I., and so we just want to make it clear that this policy supports the the continuation of all industrial uses.

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Cob, charles ferro:, so that's really helpful explanation.. I apologize.. I missed the initial.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, no, don't apologize and I think.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, it's good that you know you're making me articulate it charles kit that, and there are other planning board members who want to chime in.. I saw lou pizzas hand up a minute. Ago. and david sam came up.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: with pizza.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: yes,. I almost made this comment earlier because the way I interpreted where we were going is really.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: to clarify that.. Our concern is what all industrial changes. so to me going more general by eliminated that the descriptive, you know,, the adjective light.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: where,. Why don't you just come on on on goal and record that are concerned, involves all of the industrial uses of land and the city.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya:, which I think you know you- you gave very good examples,, you know, they go from like too much.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, you know, heavier., so I thought, to me,. It was more of making these as a general concern is not just one type of industrial uses is all of it, because we've seen that happening. go.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, as you said, earlier,, because to me, I interpret what you said early on is it. yeah.. It makes total sense to me. and it going more general makes us makes sense.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: thank you, david.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, yeah, um,. I guess I you know, I hate to throw a wrench in this,, but I,. I get a little nervous about.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, I don't,. I don't want this to be seen as like a poison pill where, by where, by which we can.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):. If we have a on balance, something that is really going to do a lot for say, affordable, housing or or something that we.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): were seeing. This is a way to to kind of cool. those that's a very high thing on our priority list.. So maybe that isn't what we're trying to do here,, but I just wanted to make sure that we're not.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, you know,, I'm looking at the two. the two things that we talked about: today, both tv up to see to a and odell I support.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, regardless of language that we might- I just wanna.. I don't want to give the impression that we're adding this to prevent more hotels or more two ways.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, I think we, there's a lot a lot of a lot of things that we have to weigh.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, but philosophically,. I don't really have a problem with it.. So as long as it is., I'm not missing something. There. yeah, I'll go for it.

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Pb sarah silver: so I'll, I'll just speak to just david and responsive.. My thoughts were not at all about creating a poison pill,, but rather.

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Pb sarah silver: are in recognition that a lot of what we is coming down, the pike. is this chipping away at industrial areas and wanting to make sure that all industrial areas are part of this part of the discussion. As we try to balance all of these competing needs., that's how I perceive it.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, I think that's fair. okay, thank you.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, if I,, if I may add something to that too because, to me,- that's how I saw it. I think just when I make sure that we look at industrial in in the totality., but when we made decisions, we're doing it or not case by case, and you really what matters is how you vote so.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:. We just have the language to make it remind us so that we are concerned about this., but when we have to look at a project and this affordable housing in there and there's something to do with industrial uses, then.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, we will tell what- which one is more important to us by the way that we vote.

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Pb, lisa, smith: and and I'll just add on to that that.

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Pb, lisa smith:, I'm definitely not opposed to affordable housing and a lot of the plans that are moving forward. and anyway,, but at the same time.

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Pb, lisa smith: whenever we're reallocating land uses.. I just like to understand: how does that fit into the total context, you know,? What are we gaining.? What are we losing.

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Pb, lisa smith:. How much of that are we gaining or losing what's been happening over the last 10 years.? What do we think is going to happen in the next 1030 years.

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Pb, lisa smith: yeah,, because I worry that will turn around one day and say, oh, all those businesses that used to be right here in town or are gone. and if that's something that ends up happening, then.

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Pb, lisa smith:, maybe that's okay,, but I think we need to understand that we're doing that as we go along. and I just feel like I like the context to necessarily know what's happening.

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Pb, harmon, zuckerman: and just to you know, make sure that we're not.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: we're not creating a poison pill for motion three,, which I suppose is motion five. Now, because we broke out one and two to two motions: each.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: just want to confirm hella that by.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: putting a period after described an attachment j and then saying, in addition to preserve boulders, industrial land use and so forth.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: that we leave council with the option to approve both halves of the motion or just the first half of the motion, without necessarily killing the first half.. If they don't like the second.

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Hella pannewig assistant city, attorney: yeah,, I think you'll be fine. really what you're approving us is different.

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Hella pannewig assistant city, attorney: policy, changes. so you're just creating an additional one and and they'll consider each of the different policy changes.. And if they're not going to approve this last one that you're creating them, then it won't pass and it will. The amendment will pass,. I guess.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, but they'll, they can still be and they can still pass the first piece of the emotion that goes from.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: the beginning of pb, harmon zuckerman:, three to the letter j. yeah.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: yeah, good., there's hella pannewig assistant city attorney: important how the how many emotions that split up into ok change will be considered. Separately.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: great work., hella pannewig assistant city attorney: together, and they can bunch it the way they want,. Just let you today. okay.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: great. alright,, so is there any more discussion.

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Cob, cindy spence:, I still haven't gotten your email.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, that's weird., pb, harmon zuckerman: shows is being sent.

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Pb, lisa smith: did not happen in one for meeting. You sent it from a different email address and that worked.

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Cob, cindy spence: yeah, so.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: cindy, I'll, get it to you after the meeting,, but you're not going to put this one up on the screen.. So don't worry about it, for now. is that okay.

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Cob, cindy spence: yeah,, I'm just,, I'm out tomorrow,, so I just would like to.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay, I'll, give you one.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): minute. You text it to me and I'll say I'll email it to cindy. Since my email, work.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay, great. cob, cindy spence:, but you don't pb, harmon zuckerman:. Do it now.

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pb, harmon, zuckerman:, let's, um,, let's just end discussion. If there's no more discussion and then I'll repeat the motion is the motion of the board and take a boat.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay. planning board moves to approve the policy and text changes to the boulder valley. Comprehensive plan is shown in described an attachment, j.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, in addition to preserve boulders, industrial land use and industrial areas, for the sake of the city's diversity, sustainability and resiliency, as a community,.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: planning board approves a policy change whereby the word light is deleted in policy to point to one where it appears before the word. Industrial.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. Can I get a second.

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Pb, lisa smith: I'll second. oh.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, okay, then. lisa seconds. We have emotion.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, I'm sorry,. We had a second.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, who seconded the first time around. pb, peter vitale:, you know,, pb,, harmon, zuckerman:, okay,, sorry about that. so,. So that's already the motion of the board. and let's do a poll now., so david,.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, hi, lisa.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, hi, peter.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: hi,, peter., hi, sarah.

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Pb sarah silver: I, but what happened to david's pb sarah silver: david's, piece., pb,, harmon zuckerman:. It's going to go! Next. pb sarah silver: got it., so I.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: thank you. and I vote I so that motion passes unanimously, david.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, all right,, I'm cindy, are you able to display the text I sent you.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, so I will read the text here. Planning board recognizes that several of the proposed midterm bbc p changes.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): positively address the jobs. housing imbalance and affordability. however,. They may have the side effect of reducing the development opportunity for industrial uses.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): planning board recommends that the city prioritize the study of trends in city, wide industrial use, zoning inventory, potentially in conjunction with east folders sub community plan, to assure that we can better understand the ramifications of land use, changes.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, I don't know if we need to add.

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Cob, cindy spence:, can you see my screen.

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Cob, cindy spence:, can you see my screen.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):. Well, it says on emotion by age. second one. second,. We have peter vitaly first, but then it says forget, get rid of everything. Will everything before planning board just the first in the first line there after seven days do that.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, that's all.,.

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Cob, cindy spence:, well, this,. This will be the motion. Part pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, okay., cob,, cindy spence: for the most.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): beyond that,.

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Cob, cindy spence:, though this is what you sent me.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, okay,, great.

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Cob, cindy spence: so, yeah. cob,, cindy spence:, I'm just for the motion. so, yeah.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, that's what I,! That's what I just read.

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Cob, cindy spence: yes. do it and make it bigger.

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Pb sarah silver:, I would just add one word, david,. What do you before, land use? Changes,? I would add the word such land use, changes.

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Pb sarah silver:, because I think we're referring specifically to industrial land.. The land is changes and industrial areas. aren't we,. Are we not.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, sure,, yeah.

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Cob, cindy spence: right here at the end. cob, cindy spence: yes,, such yeah.

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Pb sarah silver: david.. Can I ask another question., I'm presuming that when you think about what. well, I'll say when I think about a study like this., I think it's helpful to imagine going back a few years so that you have a trent,. You have a trend, line.

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Pb sarah silver:, not what starts today, but looking back, as well as looking forward is. Are you thinking, sort of along those same lines.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): um,.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, when I said city wide., I kind of thought,, you know,, all the all the fact that, you know,. We were just kind of trying to capture all the factors that would go into whether we are adequately.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): creating space for the industrial uses.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, I don't know if you have a place where we might add the word.

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Pb sarah silver: no,, I just wanted to., I just wanted to. it wasn't about adding word.. I just wanted to.

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Pb sarah silver: because,, you know,, as we've talked about before, you know,, there's a lot of development. Tv app is that was all previously industrial.

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Pb sarah silver: so it'd be interesting to look starting, maybe 10 years ago.. What happened to the businesses that were in t that in tv app.

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Pb sarah silver:, as well as what, where does work, look like it's going in the future. and that's sort of,. I just wanted to understand if you were sort of thinking in that same sort of broad kind of piece of research.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, we could put recent in future before trends. a study of recent in future trends in city wide industrial zone inventory.

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Pb sarah silver: sure, that'd be great.

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Cob, charles ferro: and dave,, I don't want to throw a long cob charles ferro: time. I don't want cob charles ferro:, a monkey wrench into the works completely,, but I just wanted to note that and looking back on where we are in the east, folder sub community planning, process.

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Cob, charles ferro:, we completed the existing conditions phase last year on, so you may want to decouple it from the east boulder so community plan, because at this point we're working toward a preferred scenario.

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Cob, charles ferro: and that's,, I think, you know, in the coming year., really what you know: we've compiled the data and looked at all the existing conditions in the past year., so we're kind of in a the lead or phase of the project.. So you.

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Cob, charles ferro:, for what that's worth.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): how about potentially informed by so it says that we're just going to,, you know,, they can use stuff already done by east boulder sub community plan, you're.

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Cob charles ferro:, just wanting to make that clear that we've we've moved past the existing conditions.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): yeah, cuz. I do. We definitely don't want to be adding work to these folders subcommittee plan,, but somebody pointed out that some of that had been done.. So how about, if we say, potentially be formed by.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): is that that kind of makes makes it clear that we're not trying to mess with those folks by doing things this nearly conjunction with them.

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Pb john gerstle : as long as we're fiddling with words here. can, we add, say status and trends.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): yeah.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): when I hope we're not creating., I mean, this is a bad year to be adding stuff to the work plan, but I just I know that we've been asking this question a lot over the last two years, so.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, I think it's a good thing to.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): at least raise.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): yeah.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): I'll put this forward as emotion.. If people want to have any other wording things, anybody.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, so david, we don't have a second yet, right,, we're just kind of working together to.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, know,, okay, so.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: david's motions on the screen.. Can I get a second for his motion.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: I'll second., I saw sarah's hand first. so.

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Seconded by silver.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: ok. and I'm going to ask if there's any more discussion at all.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay,, I'm going to make it the motion of the board and then we'll vote on emotion by david and sign seconded by sorry.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: planning, board.

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pb, harmon zuckerman: recognizes that several of the proposed mid term bcp changes positively address the jobs, housing and balance and affordability.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: however,. They may have the side effect of reducing the development opportunity for industrial uses.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: planet. we're recommends that the city prioritize a study of recent in future status and trends and citywide industrial zoning inventory potentially informed by the east boulder sub community plan. To assure that, we can better understand the ramifications of such land use. Changes.

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Pb, harmon, zuckerman: and I'll call for a roll call, vote, david., hi, lisa.

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Pb, lisa smith: hi.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: lisa pb,, harmon, zuckerman:, hi,, peter., pb,, harmon, zuckerman:, hi, sarah.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: hi john.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, all right, I'll vote is so that motion is approved by a seven, nothing margin. okay,. So we're about to go to our next.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: matter. thank you. that was pb, harmon zuckerman:. That was a lot and.

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Pb, harmon, zuckerman: and yet,. It wasn't a lot because gene made it so easy and staff did such a great.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, that's a,, you know,! It's a lot of work to make any kind of comprehensive plan changes in any community,, particularly in boulder.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, and so I really want to give a shout out, gene and all the city staff for doing a terrific job and and thanks, hannah.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: for coming along and for all the things that you do in the county, because we're working together on this so great work, everybody., and I don't want to take a break right now. I want to keep moving. so the next item on the agenda.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: is.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:: this is an update.. I'm sorry. wait a minute.. Where am I.

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Pb sarah silver: design, construction.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: yeah, we're moving out to know: there's a self.

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pb, harmon zuckerman:, boulder creek. pb, sarah silver: upstream analysis, updated., oh boy.,.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, and so I think we've got some staff here with some engineering chops that are going to walk us through this.

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Cob charles ferro:, joe yeah.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: sir charles, to introduce this matter, charles.

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Cob, charles ferro: thanks., our ngo teddy up the city's utilities director is going to present this item tonight to the one.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: okay., can everyone hear me.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: yes, sir. okay, good evening to the planning board members., I'm joe tell you to director of utilities.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: and I'm here with brandon coleman, who's, the utilities, engineering project manager for the south, boulder creek flood mitigation project and.

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Cob, joe taddeucci:, we wanted to provide the planning board a brief update on the flood project. We were last year in may and a lot of processes team has occurred since then, and specifically, as the title indicates tonight, we're going to talk about upstream alternatives,. So I will give a quick.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: overview of our process and how we got here and then brandon will hit the highlights of the technical work with a few visuals and.

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Cob, joe taddeucci:, I promise this won't be as long as the as the last item in the heavy lifting. you just did will be pretty quick., so there were two key process: steps in 2020 that are guiding our discussion. Tonight.

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Cob, joe taddeucci:, the first was an open space board of trustees, meeting that took place on june 3 and they made a recommendation to city council when they were considering the design work around the variant 100 year. Flood project. and they asked for an.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: analysis, yo. yo,. Can I just interrupt you for a second.. It slipped, my mind., but this is. This is really.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, not as it's as much about seo south as it is about engineering, and there are a few members of planning board who need to recuse themselves from this discussion.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, so I'm going to recuse myself, I believe, lisa and love pizza or two and lisa. I'll. Leave it to you to say what you need to say. If you need to say anything or just that you're recusing yourself.

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Pb, lisa smith:. I will recuse myself as well.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: me too.. I had already turned off my pb, lupita d montoya: camera.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay,, and I believe that we will get text messages from.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: from cindy when it's time for us to come back for loopy to lisa, and I.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): thank you. sorry.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, I'm gonna text you, the peter., I'm sorry.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: sorry, joe for the interruption.. I let it slip.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: no problem at all., so as I was saying,, we had an open space board meeting on june 3. They made a recommendation, the city. Council.-.

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Cob, joe taddeucci:, asking for an analysis of an upstream concept with flood detention facilities or storage reservoir placed entirely on see yourself. Property.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: and the idea was to see if we could take advantage of flow split that occurs in the floodplain.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: and capture enough water to prevent the us 36 from overtopping and and flooding downstream, neighborhoods has happened in 2013 and.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: the,, the appeal of that concept was that it could conceivably have less environmental impact and impacts on open space.

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Cob, joe taddeucci:, the second process step occurred within a few weeks of the open space meeting., and that was a visit to city council on june 16 and and they took action on the project and they recommended kind of two parallel paths.. They recommended that we continue.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: working on the variant one 100 design and proceed proceeding with the design and permitting and that that in their mind, was the basis for design of of the project.

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Cob, joe taddeucci:, but they also wanted us to go back and work with the open space board and revisit the upstream concept and do a comparison to the to the very end. One 100 year, flood.

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Cob, joe taddeucci:, and they asked us to compare it on the basis of costs, environmental impacts and flood effectiveness, and so as a staff team, since mid june., we've been working from both sets of direction,, both the june 3 open space motion and june. 16. Council.-.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: and the way we went about that and kind of developed a process was through a process subcommittee, and the two council members mayor, weaver and council, member or friend, or the.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: or the council appointees to the self boulder creek flood process, subcommittee.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: and in in discussions in that group, we formed an upstream advisory group that consisted of two board members from each of the planning board.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: rab, open space board of trustees,, plus the two council members on the process subcommittee. and by the way,. I'd like to thank john or so. and david and sign as the.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: planning board representatives,. We spent a fair amount of time going through a lot of detail on the project and appreciate the efforts and participation.

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Cob, joe taddeucci:, so with that advisory group. we had three meetings and we really went deep into the technical details of the fun modeling and kind of how the the floods develop on the flood plane. And the purpose of that was to inform our process and.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: try to get consensus around a path forward and.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: getting buy in on the project, and there were some. There were three meetings, as I said,. Those are all recorded for people who might be interested that I believe there are links to them on the south, boulder creek flood web page.

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Cob, joe taddeucci:, and so we went through a lot of that. Brandon will talk about the highlights in a minute and through the process subcommittee, the process that was determined.

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Cob, joe taddeucci:, going forward, and in part, why we're here tonight. they. It was determined that we.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: do a public hearing and have a really detailed discussion of the work. With the open space board of trustees,, we developed a two meeting process with them.. We've had the first one in november.. We've got another one coming up in december here and.

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Cob, joe taddeucci:, because it was really their interest in in the upstream that that drove that work,, but also wanted to keep the other boards in the loop.. And so we've.

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Cob, joe taddeucci:, we also were tasked with doing brief matters updates to the water resources, advisory board and.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: and the planning board., and so we a month or so ago, we checked in with with rab and so tonight. we're here with planning board, and I was going to turn it over to brandon. the show a few visuals.

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Cob, joe taddeucci:, but john and david., I was wondering if there was anything you wanted to add about anything. I said about process or the advisory group.- and I don't mean to put you on the spot.: he might want to think about that as we continue here. If you'd like.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, well, john, you want to start or shall I pb, john gerstle : know I joe,, I think you you gave a good introduction., so.

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Pb john gerstle : be sure to hear what brandon has to say.

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pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, sure,, yeah. and I'll just add my thanks to joe and brandon night.. I think you'll be really impressed with with the amount of work that's been done,. I think.

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It's pb david ensign (he/him/his):. It was really a very productive process of kind of looking at at the at all the variables of of what an upstream.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): option might might be., and so I think, open space.. I know they spent over five hours on it in their first half of their public hearing and.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, so I just, I'll just give a shout out to the members of the open space board of trustees for the amount of work. they're putting into this. so yeah, go ahead.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: so, brandon. go ahead.. I think you've got a couple of visuals that you want to share with the flood modeling and so.

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Cob, joe taddeucci:, some cob, brandon coleman: concept. yes. great.

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Cob, brandon coleman: well,, thanks to the board for letting us come and give you guys an update, tonight.

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Cob, brandon coleman: brandon coleman,, I'm a engineering project manager, which stormwater flood utility.

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Cob, brandon coleman: so like joe mentioned,, we've been working on this upstream alternative, really to compare it and to the variant one and really in the context of looking at,. Could this potentially have a significant reduction in impacts to the existing open space property that surrounds a cu? South property.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, so I'm going to go ahead and share my screen and let's.

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Cob, brandon coleman: do this here.

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Cob, brandon coleman: and while this is pulling up.

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Cob, brandon coleman: need any advanced sharing options.. So what I'm going to show. and what we found throughout the advisory group process and also the meeting with osb.. It was really that.

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Cob, brandon coleman: there's been a lot of questions about the flood and what's actually happening in south boulder creek and how that could impact a potential flood mitigation design.. So what we did was we took the modeling software.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, which is called mike flood, and it's a combination. one,, the 2d hydraulic modeling software, which really models kind of the existing floodplain and south boulder creek watershed.

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Cob, brandon coleman: and we created some visit, videos and visuals and throughout that process. I think it really kind of steps through.

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Cob, brandon coleman: how a potential flood mitigation strategy would develop around this.. So I we have. These videos, they've been posted to the project. Website. I've been using them in a lot of presentations.

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Cob, brandon coleman: and they're, not very long., they're only one minute., but what I'll do is, as I walk through it.? I typically stop it at a few key points during the flood. and I'll talk about each of those key points and also how they would relate to a potential flood mitigation design. So.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, and can everybody see that okay cob, brandon coleman: okay, great.? So this is just a map of the sea south property in south boulder creek in the vicinity of state highway, 93 and us 36.

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Cob, brandon coleman:. So if you look at the top of this map that major roadway that's cutting across, that's us 36 and then at the very bottom of the screen. You'll see another roadway.

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Cob, brandon coleman: that state highway 93 just to give some context of where we're at.

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Cob, brandon coleman: and that big bulge. there's a blue line. There. That's dry creek ditch. number two,, but that's essentially the cu south property there. so just to give everybody a little bit of context and I'll point things out as the video, please. just get it to play. Here.

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Cob, brandon coleman:. So what this is showing is it showing depth and there's also arrows that are showing a flow vectors and the vectors are really.

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Cob, brandon coleman: what those vectors are showing as a direction and magnitude of flow during the flood event.. So I'm going to stop it here., so you'll see on the screen.. This is time. Step.

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Cob, brandon coleman: in the model. and every time step in this model is a five minutes., so this will be at about 125 minutes into our design. Flood event.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, and the key thing to point out here is right where south boulder creek and us 36.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, intersect., so you'll see we have this blue line. That's representing south boulder creek,, but at that point in the modeling.

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Cob, brandon coleman: you'll see there's a finger., that's kind of splitting off from south boulder creek., and so what that means is south. Boulder creek is actually leaving.. It's channel.

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Cob, brandon coleman: and ultimately, this flow, that's leaving south boulder creek is what's contributing to the west valley, overflow flooding that we're trying to mitigate as part of this project.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, so I'll play it, just a little bit further here.

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Cob, brandon coleman: so now we're at time step 30. So we're not very much further in the flood,, but you'll see that finger of flow. That's left to south boulder creek banks.

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Cob, brandon coleman: is growing., so there's continuing to be flow in south boulder creek and it's running along us. 36.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, but at the very bottom of the screen, you'll see our state highway. 93 is you'll start to see, there's a flow that split off of south boulder creek.

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Cob, brandon coleman: upstream of the cds out property and over top state, highway, 93., and so the way osb t's been asking us to look at this project is really what does that split flow mean.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, and can we capture all of that split flow and.? Would that meet the flood mitigation goals of the project. so I'll go ahead and play through here.? And so that's the splits flow there. and if you can see my cursor to that state, highway 93.

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Cob, brandon, coleman: and then I'll stop it and you'll see that flow as the flood progresses is a pretty significant flow.. So if you're, just looking at this, just from a mapping perspective or just from an area basis.

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Cob, brandon coleman: south boulder creek has continued to convey water essentially downstream and that continues top at us 36. So you'll see that flow continue to grow.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, but this state highway 93 flow is pretty significant and substantial.. So there's been a lot of interest. In, well, is that enough flow? If we can just capture that flow. does that meet the flood mitigation goals of the project.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, so I'll go ahead and play it a little bit. Further.

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Cob, brandon coleman: and I just want to stop., stop it right about here., so you'll see in the existing conditions that state highway 93 flow actually hits an existing.

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Cob, brandon coleman: levy that goes around the senior south property and it's actually conveyed.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, closer to south boulder creek in that flow, ultimately joins up with the overflow from self boulder creek and that's running along us. 36 overtopping, us 36 and then contributing to the west valley. Overflow flooding there. So.

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Cob, brandon coleman:: this is really the peak flow,. You should be a time step.

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Cob, brandon coleman: yes, very close to there. so about 275 minutes into the flood.. That's when we see the peak flow. and I'm going to go ahead and just let this play out from here,, but really that's kind of the context of what we're looking at for flood mitigation design. So.

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Cob, brandon coleman:. I know that's a very for me.. This is all very exciting. Work. you know,, it's a it's a very good way.. I find this is a good way to kind of explain.

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Cob, brandon coleman: a very complicated process. That's going on, so people can kind of understand, what's being requested of us and what's going on. so as you can see the flood kind of dies down as it progresses through and then it kind of wraps up here.. So I'm just going to exit out of this one.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, let's see,, I should be able to exit.

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Cob, brandon coleman: give me one minute: here.

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Cob, brandon coleman: go there it is. ok.. So we also did another model run for the advisory group and I won't spend as much time on this model run.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, but I will stop it kind of at those key moments again.. So really, some of those key moments are when south boulder creek leaves its banks.

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Cob, brandon coleman: when the state highway 93 over tops and that flow.. So this is really a model run that we developed essentially to look at that question,. If we just capture that state highway, 93 split flow. is that enough to meet our flood mitigation goals.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, I'm pretty sure., and these are all on the project web page. So people can view these at their leisure and they're only about a minute long, they're, all in the same time, step.

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Cob, brandon coleman: kind of different vantage point summer focused on 93 summer focused on us 36, but all in the same vicinity, here.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, so this one actually has a detention facility on the cu. South property. and we've also introduced a feature that would encourage flow into that tension facility from that splits, flow.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, so I'll just go ahead and let this one play next.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, let's see here. so here, goes and really some of the key moments in this related to a flood mitigation design. Is that overtopping at us 36 so right about here. At that time, step.

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Cob, brandon coleman:. What we're seeing is, there's enough slow in south boulder creek right now that it's leaving., it's bankston, running along us 36, so that really comes in to play on. When we talk about the design that we came up.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, so I will let it play from here.

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Cob, brandon coleman: and then what you'll see is, you'll see that split flow from state highway 93 enter the bottom of the screen again,, but this time.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, instead of going around the levee we've introduced a feature essentially that cuts through the levy and encourages that flow on to enter a detention facility that would have been located on the cu. South property.

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Cob, brandon coleman: a lot of play a little bit more.

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Cob, brandon coleman: and what you're seeing is that flow that enters and see yourself? Property begins to backup., and that's really the detention feature that we evaluated, just to see.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, if we just attain that split flow and by detaining that split flow in the car south property., we have no additional features on existing know. Smp property. is that enough to meet our flood mitigation goals of the project.

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Cob, brandon coleman: and ultimately, at that same time, step right here right about time, step 57. What you'll see is there's actually enough. Flow.

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Cob, brandon coleman: being conveyed in the south boulder creek channel that ultimately will run along us, 36 and then overtop to the west valley.. So you can see that first overtopping happening at us. 36.

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Cob, brandon coleman: that contributes to the west valley, flooding and then, as the flood progresses, you'll see. That flow continues to contribute to that west valley, overflow flooding.. So what we.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, really found from this modeling run, was that just by capturing that state highway, 93 split flow., it's not enough to mitigate the flooding in the west valley.. Ultimately, the goal of the project here.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, so I will let that just kind of finish here. and then the last thing I wanted to pull up.. So that was one of the questions from the board.

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Cob, brandon coleman: a very important question.. I would say because this is really the potential to reduce infrastructure on existing open space,, but we did advance a concept.

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Cob, brandon coleman: just to be able to pair it to the very one configuration that's been approved by city council.- so this is just a drawing of that same area again and the modeling that we had.

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Cob, brandon coleman: represents just this detention. Facility., so you'll see a big brown line, here., that's the earthen embankment of a detention facility., and then we have a large, concrete section.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, and that needs to be concrete, essentially because it's in the middle of a floodplain., so you'll have flow on both sides of that and it needs to be safe in a flood.

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Cob, brandon coleman: to protect against scour seepage failures and then also allow overtopping in a flood larger than the hundred year. Design event.

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Cob, brandon coleman: and then we did need to put features on open space and we tried to limit those as much as we could. in this scenario, and you'll see. We propose the levee essentially from us 36.

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Cob, brandon coleman: to our detention facility. and that's really to cut off that flow from the main channel south boulder creek.

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Cob, brandon coleman:. So, rather than trying to divert that flow, we actually gained some capacity under the us 36. So we just need to block that flow in this scenario. and that's what that levy.

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Cob, brandon coleman: does for us., and then we also have this grade control structure, which is at grade,, but it's needed,, just based on the soils.

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Cob, brandon coleman: and the floodplain in the area, just to make sure that our systems, not bypassed in a flood depending on erosion that could develop in this type of an event.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, so I guess the the short story of this, and I won't give you guys the five hour version that we went through with the osb t.. But this configuration we found to be more expensive than the variant one configuration.. It also had more overall environmental impacts.

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Cob, brandon coleman: and it also just met it- met our flood mitigation goal.. So we would need all these features shown here essentially to meet our flood mitigation goals.. So that's kind of the 10,000 level version.

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Cob, brandon coleman:, I'm happy to answer any questions and go into more detail. this stuff. I would stay up as long as it as long as anybody wants to talk about stuff because I really enjoy my work so.

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Cob, brandon coleman: yeah,. I think that's all I have. and.

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Cob, brandon coleman: yeah.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): thanks. thanks so much, branding, doug, joe,. Did you have anything else you wanted to add before we? I guess I'm kind of cheering since I'm co chair.. I did you have anything you wanted to add before we can open it up to questions and comments.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: no,, I just, just kind of really restating what brandon,, just in terms of a comparison.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: the,, the upstream option is more expensive.. It's 110 million dollars versus the $66 million for the variant one 100 similar for flood protection and and.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: generally higher overall environmental impact., so that's, you know,, there's been a lot of requests from the community for a side by side, comparison. that's,, that's kind of the crux of it.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: and the initial modeling runs that brandon showed kind of determine that it wasn't possible to meet the to stop the downstream neighborhood flooding.

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Cob, joe taddeucci:, with only structures on see you south property.. So as brandon said, we came up with a concept that could work, but it required.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: engineered structures on open space., so those are the discussions, we're going through right now, with the open space board and kind of walking through that and in december, they'll, be deliberating on it.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, great. well, thanks so much. yeah,, that's a pretty impressive work. and I think it's nice for the community to have a visual to look at like that and to kind of get the an idea of how these kinds of recommendations are being made.. So anybody have questions for joe and brandon.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, your observations,. You want to share.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): john.

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Pb john gerstle : yeah,. I just like to say that to join brandon that I appreciate the work you did. and I think that it was well done and and very clear conclusions.. So thank you.

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Pb, peter vitale:, thank you for that. and it's great to hear your enthusiasm for your work as well.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): cool., well,, great. yeah,. I think that as planning board will be very busy next year,, looking at all the public feedback towards the annexation agreement.. So I guess the heavy lifting is going on with the open space board of trustees this month. So.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, our hearts go out to them and pb david ensign (he/him/his):. Thank you all so much for for staying up so late with us tonight. If there isn't anything else will we,, I guess we can invite people back for the next agenda. Item.

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Cob, joe taddeucci: sounds good.

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Cob, brandon coleman: okay,. Thank you very much., appreciate it.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): thanks again. yeah, thank you., alright,, so, cindy.. I guess we can do some testing.

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cob, cindy spence:, except blue peter,. I bet I texted the other two.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, I'm texting up pb david ensign (he/him/his): to now.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): hello.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. I can hear you now.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, the peter, has responded. so shut up there.. You are great.

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Pb sarah silver: you've lost lisa cob,, brenda ritenour, (she/her): yeah,, it looks like lisa may have actually left the meeting,, so we'll keep.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): an eye. cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): out for her, so we can get her back.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): in the zoom statuses. she needs to be in.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: david, can I have my gavel back.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, or did I take a gavel., oh yes,, I mean,.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): actually about halfway through,, I remembered. oh,, I'm the chair, I get to.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): do something.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, I should have said something on my way: out.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. I forgot that I had to recuse us that I kind of went out quickly.

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Cob, brenda ritenour (she/her): and here's lisa.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, okay,, great. alright,, so we're back as a full board. hope you had a good time with a matter of five day we're moving on to be.. This is the update.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: on the scope for phase two of the dcs are designing construction standards for transportation. as usual,. I will turn it over to charles barrows to introduce the matter.

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Cob, charles ferro:, you know, staff doesn't have a presentation tonight.. This is purely informational for the board.. If you have any feedback, suggestions, comments, reactions,, please feel free to email them directly. To add work. Staffer has contact. Information was included in the packet.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: great. is there anybody who wants to say anything on the public record about this, or do you want to take that advice and just send a individual comments straight to edward.

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Pb sarah silver: well,.

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Pb john gerstle : that sounds fine to me.

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Pb sarah silver:. I would just like to reiterate something that I think it was kurt nard back said: about, I think, was kurt. um,. It would be wonderful if the sidewalk issue could be.

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Pb sarah silver: part of this year's discussion and I will leave it at that.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, I'm with you very well on that sarah. thank you.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: david.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): yeah. and on that. I'll just,. I wanted to give a shout out to community cycles for.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): digging deep into these into these standards and and having some really good suggestions.. So, regardless of what the scope ends up being this year, I'm hoping that those comments will will be very useful as as this new as the new revision comes out.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: great. okay. so last chance to make any comments on it.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay., then we're going to move on to our last agenda item of the night.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: and pb, harmon zuckerman: oh,, it's the 2020 letter to city council.- so we spent a lot of time working on that, thanks to david, who used a technology of mural to help organize our thoughts and then, after.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, the meeting was over. He and sarah silver were our first editorial team and they provided a draft letter for us. That's in the packet.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:: let's go through the letter, a little bit tonight and.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: and then I think you know we can handle this in one of two ways.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: one way would be to have cindy, put the letter up on the screen and wordsmith it. As a group.-.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: another way would be for us to go through changes that we might want to see in either general or specific and then assign those changes to a new pair of editors who would implement those changes and bring it back to our next planning board. Meeting.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. We have an opportunity to draft this letter three times, because our next planning board meeting would would be. Would allow us to do a third draft now that we wouldn't be able to.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: take home with us the way we can. the second draft, because it's right before the meeting that it goes to the city. Council.-.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, but tonight I think we have a chance to make more general comments or make some specific comments to a couple of volunteer editors and shorten our meeting. If people want to do it that way., so I'm holding out those those two different options to you., what do people think.

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Pb sarah silver: what I would be a little concerned about.

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Pb sarah silver:, going having everyone do their own thing separately and then coming back.. It just seems, like you could end up with seven completely different.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: no, no,, that's not the pb, harmon zuckerman:! That was not what I said.

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Pb sarah silver: misunderstood then.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. We can each give our thoughts here on the public record, either specific general or both and assign to editors to do what you and david just did.

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Pb, harmon, zuckerman: and take your base document is the first draft and continue to tune it up based on feedback from tonight.. So if we chose that, I would suggest that we pick these two editors.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: now,, so that they know to take seriously good notes.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: before we go too far with that, I like to know a little bit of the timing,, because I have so many deadlines coming up in the next couple of weeks.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: that I will. I really want to do this,, but if I can just do it at the right time., I can do a much better job that if I have it like in the file that I have right, now.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: to do a lot of reading to do for all the things.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: so,, so there are five people who haven't yet served as guest editors or volunteer editors, you're one of them.. It would be great if you participated.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: but,, but the pb, harmon zuckerman:. The second draft has to be ready. a couple days before the next planning board meeting,. So you would have 12 days to incorporate the comments that you here tonight.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: david pb, david ensign, (he/him/his): I'll just say that I'm sarah and I realized that thanksgiving holiday was coming up so.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): sarah and I both push each other to be ready, like to, like,, two business days after planning board and have a day.. I think we had it done like the monday.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): after the last thursday., so it can be done very quickly if you want., if the two of you,, whoever takes us on, want to just kind of knock it off and that way I can get into the packet.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: david do or sarah or both of you.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: want to embroider on that a little bit to use my favorite john gorilla expression and talk about your.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: process for developing the first draft for us.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): yeah,, well,, basically, um, pb david ensign (he/him/his):. I think I pointed out that sections wanting to were relatively easier than section.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, three. oh,, I thought maybe one of us would do one and two, and one of us to do would do three.. So we both went off and I authored sections one and two questions. one and two and zero author.- number three, and then we just.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, we shared our input and then we actually went through a round of marking up comments before we even met. So we each author, like you know, we each worked.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, like sarah, worked on section three, I worked on section one and two.. Then we each made comments on that. and then when we came together, we had lots of stuff to talk about. and we just basically hammered it. Out.

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Pb sarah silver: just, just david, just so you know we. We talked on the phone for three hours., so it does,. It does take some time to,. To put it all. Together.

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Pb john gerstle :, I just pb john gerstle :, I have to say,. I think you guys did a beautiful job and I I have hardly any comments here. So I.

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Pb john gerstle : use it thousands pb, harmon zuckerman:. Maybe it won't be a three hour.

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Project pb, harmon zuckerman: of editors,. If that's the way we choose to do it.. So where are people leaning at this point to, to a feedback session geared at.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: you know,, providing.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: some detail to another pair of volunteer editors, or to have cindy, put the document up on the screen and and wordsmith it here and now..

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Pb john gerstle :: let's do it here. now I've done.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: so john saying here and now, peter.

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Pb, peter vitale:, I'm saying,: let's get it done. it's,, it's really in great shape and.

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Pb, peter vitale:: we can get it done.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): and I just have one idea there.. I do think it's in good shape,, but I don't. I got you know there were some some comments by community members that I was sympathetic with and it may just be the.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): result of trying to come up with something that we all agree on., but I do think that we have really good themes. We have really good priorities,, but I think we are a little short on.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): on on actual actionable things, and I think that does allow us. I I totally agree with making. It does. Allow us to.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, potentially pb david ensign (he/him/his):, set us up for not getting much done. because yeah, we may say, oh, well,. We want to solve the middle, middle income thing., but if we don't say, if that's going to be done through, you know, tax dollars, grants.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): zoning, relaxing zoning, we,, you know,, there's the controversy or not. the controversy,. The very important discussion of whether higher density results in affordability.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): or just more high end stuff,, but just higher density or high end stuff,, so. so,. All those kinds of things, make us,, I think, say fairly general stuff.. So I agree that it's a good general ledger.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, but I wouldn't mind having the discussion of whether there aren't some things on that list that has been proposed by the community that we could agree,, maybe examine.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: that mike I'll echo, you know others who agree that this is a really good work. Good piece of work.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. I also think there's no premium whatsoever and getting done early.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, you know,. We go after the next planning board meeting there.. There has never been a planning board in my five years that didn't push it to the very end. and we're kind of like a students here and that will be, will get three drafts in because we started so early.

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Pb, peter vitale:, nothing that and let's just journal and.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. I think we we've had., we've had some late nights and I don't think we do our best thinking after 10 o'clock, though,. I think we do as best we can and often pretty good thinking.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: and I want to spread around the the.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: the work so that other planning board members who want to take a crack at at drafting get a chance to do that. Because there were people who wanted to take a crack at drafting.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, who didn't get it because we assigned it to sarah and david last time around.. So if there are folks who are interested in putting a stamp on this.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: you know, I'd like to just spend half an hour,, making suggestions to a pair of editors and send them home with it and let them bring a second draft back for the next meeting.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: if,, if it's great. and we don't have much to do with it., and we can. You know words with a teeny bit and send it in., and if it still needs more tuning up,, then we can spend more time on it. In two weeks.

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Pb, peter vitale: sure, I thought, lisa and I were gonna- do the next round,. But maybe my memory isn't correct because it was past 10 o'clock,, but.

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Lisa smith:, I think we both wanted to,, but there may have been other people who are interested as well.. I'm not,, I'm not sure if that was all inclusive.

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Pb, peter vitale:, I'm happy to work on it with lisa and together we can capture, notes right, now.. As long as they're, intelligible and smart post comments that you all are making and then.

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Pb, peter vitale: and work on that and we're happy to involve anyone else. I am pretty much voluntary and lisa do with me, but.

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Pb, peter vitale: remember the menu and personally sad., so.

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Lisa smith:, I know it's so pb, harmon zuckerman:, sad.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: I'm happy to stay and not contribute to the the editing.. So the only the four people left who could be second tier editors, are you and lisa and john and the pizza.. So what were you gonna say: luke pizza.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, I was gonna say,, I'm very used to finalize and documents for all the papers,. I have to publish with my students,. I said the last word.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, so I don't like something I change it because that's wrong. not because I don't like it., so I'm more factual.. Anything else on my interest is always at,. Can you save this and the clearest possible way,? Nobody can get it wrong.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, so that kind of edit tonight can do it., but in that will do anything in between if necessary, but like I said my timing is it's just it's just type right now,, but I do want to contribute absolutely want to contribute.

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Lisa smith:: do you want to do the third round, then, when people pb, lupita d montoya: yeah, is it gives me a little more time., I'm happy to contribute. yeah,. I will be happy to do that.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: so,, so one thing I think we could offer because we're not going to be able to take it home for the third round would be free for you to be the the driver on the third round.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: in two weeks, when we put it up on the screen., it could be your screen that we share. and you can do the typing.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): yeah,. Actually I worked with loopy to the two of us worked on a section last year at the boulder public library.. Remember we work together.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, the peter was so good at wording and just totally.. I thought you, you just had such a great way, of, of getting it more punchy and concise, so that.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): feels really good to me., and if anyone got a package in advance,, you can start looking at it before the meeting to say that you could come with some of your ideas for for punching it up.. Does that mean.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, that's doubly impressive,, given that luke pizza. does this in two different languages and maybe more.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: cutting cutting kona in english., I do, too,, but it's bad,, especially.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. I wish I could do that to most impressive john.. Are you interested in in editing or uk with leaving it to.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: peter,. I.

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Pb john gerstle : am delighted with the way things are going: now.

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pb,, harmon, zuckerman:, so okay,. So.

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Pb john gerstle : great on the pb, harmon zuckerman:, great. okay., so peter and lisa provided lisa's, okay with being volunteered by peter. okay, good.. You are the editors for the second draft, whoo pizza will take care of managing the editing in the art third draft in person in real time.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, and so I'm going to start by asking for people to give lisa and peter their comments. david,. You might want to reiterate what you just said. at some point about making in his comments.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): yeah, let if anybody else wants to go first, you're, welcome to you,, but I'll.

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Cob, cindy spence:, I have a slight at it for you, guys.

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Cob, cindy spence:, but had cindy, only the I'm going to say, because it's not my letter in your in the subject matter line and it needs to be 2020, not 2021. For the latter.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): years later said 2020.

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Cob, cindy spence:, I was.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, 2020, retreat or something.

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Cob, cindy spence:, I checked this., I'm like 100% certain, it should say 2020.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay,, because I think we've usually gone the year ahead when we've done our work in december., we've dated it for the next year.. But if you want to.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: do wrong for the last five years, and, let's fix it, now.

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Cob, cindy spence:, but I'm just going off of what the email was from the clerk's office.

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Cob, cindy spence:, okay city, manager's office.. So that's what I was going. Off. okay.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: sounds good.. Thank you.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. Alright comments help. Let's help peter and lisa tune this letter, a little more.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: to what I.

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Lisa smith: generally what we heard and comments- and I might even go back and listen to some of the comments we got.

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Lisa smith: from the public before I start, editing were around kind of being a little more concrete and specific and less broad.. Is that something that other that resonated with other members of plenty more to or.? What did you take from those comments from the public.

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Pb sarah silver: well, ours. go ahead. dave, go ahead., john.

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Pb john gerstle : I,. I was interested to to read those comments from the public., but in fact, this is our butter,, not the public letter to counsel,. So.

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Pb john gerstle :. While I welcome those comments, I don't regard them as.

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Pb john gerstle :, you know, something that we are obliged to include in our butter.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, I'm going to agree with john and say that that I I agree with the, the concept of the public comment. and while I thought the comments that we receive.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, both in public comment. and in our email., we're incredibly thoughtful, and you know the stuff about.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, making at us available for example, and in every single family lot. You know that's a terrific goal and and if we want to include that in our letter., I think we all have to agree on that. Here.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: and not just take public comment in incorporated just because harmon things you know that that making had a good idea, or that.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. You know that pb, harmon zuckerman:, you know,, one of the other members of the public who wrote had a good idea,, but I think that the concept of being punchier and going straight to.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: the main points, because council reads a lot and we heard from megan who read eight years worth of these.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: sets of letters from multiple boards.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: it's important to listen to that from a former council person.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, though he didn't mention that planning board is, is like a really important board. So.

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Pb sarah silver: so, pb, sarah silver:, I will say that, um, from my perspective,.

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Pb sarah silver:, we already we've actually put some very specific things in here, specifically finalizing the use table, review, update and the.

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Pb sarah silver: east folder sub community plan, and we have spoken specifically about housing as a major concern. We may not have used the term major concern which.

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Pb sarah silver: but we, it's clear that that is a fundamental concern for us. and I don't think the year 2021 it's going to be a year when, when the city staff.

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Pb sarah silver: capacity is going to be so much greater that it can take up seven very specific, specific issues in addition to, what's already in the pipeline.

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Pb sarah silver:, that doesn't mean those ideas, are good or bad., I'm not passing judgment on them or supporting them and not supporting them.

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Pb sarah silver:, but I think we do need to be realistic about what it is. That's already in the pipeline and staff is already working on and that we really want to finish and not have pushed off, because another idea.

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Pb sarah silver: captures our attention in this meeting tonight. and that's what,, that's my take on it and- and you know, I think, making should send his letter to counsel and,. You know,, and I think everybody who wants has a comment should send it. In.

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Pb sarah silver:, but I feel like we have tried very hard in this letter to.

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Pb sarah silver: to keep to try to keep the ball moving forward on stuff. That's already in the works.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, so let me just take a quick poll.: does anybody want to expand the scope of the letter to include specific ideas that we saw like parking, maximums or add us on every lot or.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: so raise your hand if you want to do that.

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Lisa smith: okay,, if you want to say something.,.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: to speak, and then you can follow up., I'm not to expand necessarily as my in terms of adding new themes, but to reinforce.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: the what you mean, for me,, sometimes it's easier to walk., I'm in the business is talking specifics.. So I always tell my students,. I don't want platitudes.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, I don't want fuzzy words. I want facts and I need those facts to be very clear. and the way that express with that people. Don't, don't be mistaken.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:. So if we want to talk about affordable housing,, but something is specific. just to make it clear., that's why I mentioned when we had our exercise, which I really enjoy with the moving of the parks.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: the,, the case of the ponderosa to me, was very clear.. You talk about something that happened or what is happening in the context of them.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: major theme so that people understand what you mean by it and hopefully it's easy to connect the the lofty goal to the specifics.. How do we reach those lofty goals.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: well, by doing this specific steps., so his goals versus objectives. so to me,, that's kind of a weird way to clarify what we mean by things so not to add things that are not already there and more of,. If you can reinforce that or clarify what you mean by the lofty goals.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: that,- that will be the only place that I will add something to it,. But not you should not be extraneous to what we already have.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: does that make sense.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: to me, yeah, uh huh. and I think, you know, ponderosa made it in as a specific there were, you know, several specific items., I think maybe just highlighting them, david,. What were you gonna say.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): well,, I'm yeah I'm, you know, in lieu of I, kind of,. I think it is difficult,. There is the potential of pointing out things that we know require. Study.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): that you know that we don't know for sure that this is an actionable thing. and we probably there are things that we may not have consensus on in the board that we just can't put in the letter, because it's just, you know,.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): because I feel strongly about it. Maybe somebody else doesn't.. If we think about the planning, reserve. we've talked about the planning reserved for years,, pointing that out in the letter may or may not have use.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, because it's such a big thing.

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pb david ensign, (he/him/his): and,, you know,, if we did pointed out in the letter, we'd, have to put words around it to say,.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, the planning reserve is a great opportunity., but also,. We don't want to just open it up to outcomes that.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): that are just that are not well thought out right, so that takes a lot of work.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): parking, minimums and maximums that one may be really interesting.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, I think we,. We see a lot of emphasis on cars that when I I don't really., I don't know how other people would feel about mentioning. Looking at changing the way we deal with parkinson's for minimums and maximums and really putting our, our.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): kind of realizing our priorities that way. go ahead, sir.

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Pb sarah silver:- I just want to respond to that because I feel like.

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Pb sarah silver:, based on the briefing. we got two weeks ago from the folks working on parking and neighborhood parking permits. That's already in process.

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Pb sarah silver: in the city., if I'm and that discussions already underway.

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Pb sarah silver: that we want,. If we want to reiterate that we think that discussion is important.. I don't think there's a problem with that,, but I feel like it's, it's, it's,. We don't need to say it to have it be something. Staff is already moving forward on it.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. Let me just interrupt., I think we're good.. I don't,. I don't get the sense that anybody on planning board wants necessarily to add new topics to what we have heard of us.. Can I get a hands on that.? Does everybody agree to that.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: david,. Are you okay with that.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, well,, yeah,, okay.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, I just have a lot to say about each one of these ideas.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): and some.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): things that.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: are really important.. Like I said,, I need pb, harmon zuckerman: a little about what I wanted. You know they're there would be a bunch of other topics, but we did spend four hours last week.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, try to here last year,. We had a four hour drafting session separate in addition to all of our planning board meeting,, so we actually saved the meeting.. So remember, that.

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Lisa smith:, I think, where I'm at. and maybe it's where other people are at, but in different places, is.

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Lisa smith:, I think the feedback. I mean,. I don't want to call it criticism., so the feedback to be more specific is very valid feedback.. But this was very carefully wordsmith and the work we did last week.

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Lisa smith: was done so that we weren't introducing specific policy goals that we couldn't all agree. On,, you know,, so we each probably have a laundry list of things, a wish list of things that we want,, some of which may be contradictory with other members.

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Lisa smith:, and so I you know, I just don't know that interest using specifics is going to be productive,, although I appreciate why they wanted it.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, so with that in mind, least the only feedback that I have., I don't think I I'm going to speak again likely on this is just,. I think that a making it more concise is important., be.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. I think that really making, making a cue to the themes of equity and innovation.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, which I think sarah and david already did. but, you know, as we,, you know, as we make it, concise, really focus in on how you know each of our little advice. Pieces falls into one or the other theme.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: again,. I think they did that the first time around, but just stay with that theme, equity and innovation and. and then finally,. I was a little surprised by the number of times the missing middle came up and I went back and I looked at the.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: at the bubbles from the mural and I didn't see missing middle very much.. I saw a lot about affordable housing and I think.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, you know, the way the program works.

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pb,, harmon zuckerman:, you know, it's,, we're supposed to aim for 15%, affordable by 2035 and the dollars go 20% for loan, mod and 5% for middle. As I remember.. So you know I don't want.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, workforce housing and low income housing to get lost in all the references to the missing middle, and I don't particularly believe that we refer to the missing middle that many times.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, when we were together as a group, two weeks ago.. So I just like to see that balanced off and consolidated down to, you know,, concise statements about a preference for affordable housing,, including you know, missing, middle housing and, and you know, for sale, housing to middle class. People.

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Lisa smith:, how many times did you see? The phrase actually occur. Harmon I'm scanning through right now and I.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: thought at all.. I saw something that said: mid housing.

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Lisa smith: toxic metals there. it's a bullet under equity under question. Three.

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Pb sarah silver: right. and we actually harmon.- I'm not just going to disagree with you that there's a way to to incorporate all the kinds of housing. Affordability issues,, but we almost all of us,, brought it up in our, in our actual discussion, and that was where that came from. But I I think I'm.

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Pb sarah silver: capturing the spectrum of housing, affordability issues is, is a fine way to go about doing you know taking not making missing middle the central. The central point.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, great. yeah.

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Lisa smith: and. is that an accurate reflection of what you just said harmon., so I just wanna make sure I'm understanding so.

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Lisa smith: not,, not that you want to lose that idea of middle income or missing middle or whatever phrase we have in there,, but to make sure that it's balanced with more traditionally thought of affordable housing. Right.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: and I think my preferences, to the extent that it balances. it's actually a secondary importance to load a modern workforce housing, because that's the way it lives in boulders, programmatic.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, exclusionary housing efforts,, where are the majority of our focus, is on collecting money for load of modern workforce. Housing.

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Lisa smith: and see,. I see that as a problem with folders current program.

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Pb sarah silver:, I agree with lisa and I feel like what we taught. I mean, my recollection is that what we each brought up was that there's this, the barbell challenge.

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Pb sarah silver:, where we have a robust,, if not a fully realized, permanently affordable housing program and we have very high end housing and we have this sort of.

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Pb sarah silver:, diminishing body of middle mid range housing and really know.

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Pb sarah silver:, that that many tools to meet that need. and that which again,, which is not to say it's the most important housing need it.. Is it? Is it is,, but it is, it is an important housing need and I. that's what I was trying to capture.

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Pb sarah silver: and I don't know david if, if you felt like that was what we were trying to capture.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, I think so, I think,, and I think that it can probably if there's redundancy,, if it's, if it's you know, appears in too many places,, it should be trimmed down right.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, because it's one one component for sure.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, but I do think that we were,. We definitely did.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): articulate the needs of the missing middle is something that should be in there at some point.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: with peta.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: well,, pb,, lupita d montoya:, I usually agree with sarah,, but this one. I disagree very strongly that we don't have a robust, lower income. Housing.

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Lisa smith:, I think we both agree that pb, lupita d montoya: any we did,. We will have a lot of white people living in trailer parks in this city, not latino people, mostly.. So until we see those.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: differences a stock as they are right. Now,. We have no business talking about how robust our, you know, lower income. Housing is because it's very racially divided.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: and we need to address that.. So I'm sorry about that.. It's just. We don't want to go there, because it's so unfair that to talk about the middle right now as the most important one is, you just makes no sense to me.. It is important,, but we have not sold. the other problem.

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Pb sarah silver: yet, and then we.

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Lisa smith:, don't think we mean that pb sarah silver: the weekends., that's certainly not what we mentioned that, certainly not what I said.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: well,, bro,, guys., pb, sarah silver:, clear things., I mean by robust. I mean,. We have an organization dedicated to building permanently affordable housing and that we do have some revenue streams that serve that purpose.. I didn't say it was perfect. in fact,. I.

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Lisa smith: got excited.

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Pb sarah silver: right,, but that it exists, and where we're missing. what, what's, what's happening is you know, something, david said in the last meeting,. We have these outcomes that end up being very high end housing.

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Pb sarah silver: that produces funding that goes into the permanently affordable housing program,. But we aren't, we don't have.. We don't have enough in this middle area., I'm not saying, and I none of us are saying it's the top priority., but it can't be forgotten, either. yeah.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: yeah. well,. That's what I thought that that's what.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: their statement word that you know yet to kind of remember that this has to be addressed to, but not to say that at the expense of the other ones. As long.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: as that is clear.. I think we will not be any pb, lupita d montoya: problems,, because we have such a long way to go all around., but certainly there's a lot more.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: to be done on the other end,, because it is a lot more problematic to have especially, you know, in the middle of the pandemic, with the people who are sick. I'll, tell you,, isn't those lower income communities.? It is not in the middle income.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): communities and yeah and peter,. I think that's totally. Why I'm why it's interesting to ask the question,? We don't have tools that are very well defined for the middle.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, but it's, it's important to ask the question,: what would those tools be and how would those tools be funded., because we do know that the real needs are.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): at in the communities that are more at risk.. Those are the ones we really need to be putting putting our.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): our dollars that we're we're channeling from the public funding.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): from the inclusion or housing funding into those. So what what does it look like with the, you know,? What kinds of tools do we have to try to do something for the middle. and I think that's a really hard question, because it's a little bit.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, it's a little bit tricky to say, oh, we're going to create block grants for people who make 70,000.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): or more a year,, you know,, and that kind of stuff.. So since then, and and then there's a lot of state, the state and federal regulations that make it very impossible to put limitations on how what things can be sold for other than market rate.. If you don't have like.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, you know, permanent covenants,. So it's it's! It's a it's! An open, question.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: well,. I think what is clear is that this is a very important problem.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, so we just pb, lupita d montoya:. You know we just made the point by going through this exercise., so I think we're all in agreement,. There is such a great need in this area that it is important that we redouble our efforts. and then we get council board to just.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, you know,, continue to help us on this and the community.. I think this has to go beyond the board in city council. Our citizenship.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, our community needs to be on board with that, and I just come in, say the word: they need to come to support us when we are trying to make the hard decisions that we have to make some times.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, so I don't know who I you know agree with most of the time, and who I disagree with most of the time I'm going to say, you know, in this case,, I'm very much in alignment with lou pizza,, you know, and I you know I have my politics and they're not exactly the same as everybody else's.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, but I think what what is clear to me is that this is a big issue and my perception is that the way the first draft was written.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: mentioned middle so many times that it seems to be preferential towards that.. I don't think that's the right thing for the planning board to be conveying.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, especially given the rift that we've just seen in everybody's viewpoints and the difference between people's viewpoints right now. so,, you know,, provided we have. You know, sensitivity to that, and- and we have language that we can all, except about how both middle and low mode and.

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Pb,, harmon, zuckerman: and workforce housing are extremely important from an equity perspective,, especially, I would posit on the the load of modern workforce housing and I think I'd be satisfied with what you come up with.

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Lisa smith: that sounds like it might also be useful.. Let me know other planning board members. If you think this is a step too far., but to say that we're not suggesting prioritizing middle income, housing or moderately income,, you know,.

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Lisa smith: workforce housing at the expense in any way,, shape, or form.

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Lisa smith: of more traditional, affordable, housing,, but we're recognizing that it's, as you said, something that's currently we we don't have a lot of tools to address it.

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Lisa smith:, and we think it also needs to be addressed.- is that fair.

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Pb sarah silver: yeah, absolutely., I mean,, I think that's what we were trying to express.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: yeah,. I think that was,, that's what., thank you,, sarah, for specifically reminding me it's about the tools that do not exist.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, not necessarily that there's the highest priority,, then that's when you want to address a spectrum of issues, need to be able to have a set of tools that you can out. You know that you can use for the various wavelengths,. You have to work with.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, so my sense is that we're really on the same page now.. Sorry, if I.

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Lisa smith:, just okay, I'm.

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Pb sarah silver: good robust conversation and we were on the same we're on the same page.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: so glad at the,, at the risk of reopening any cannon cans of worms,. I think,, given what we've talked about about, not having the tools for the middle housing piece.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: one way to handle this in my mind, would be to talk more about the workforce and load of mine in the equity portion and more about the middle income. Housing innovation portion.

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Lisa smith: okay, what other people think about middle more under innovation.

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Pb john gerstle :. For me I think that's reasonable.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: excellent suggestion. thank you.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: okay,, so who else wants to talk.? I'm done.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:: this is your chance.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: is this direction, sorry, sorry, david.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, I want to,, but I want.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: well,. If this is your chance to give peter and lisa some more direction., so they have something to go with.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, no,, no, no,, it's good., pb john gerstle, : john. I have just one small thing, and that is under the equity section. there's the second bullet. it says,. At the request of planning board. Older has begun to recognize the cfp and so on. I,. That might be a little bit.

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Pb john gerstle : of backpacking there that may not be fully appropriate.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): about in conjunction with planning boards, wishes.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, where we can just get.

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Lisa smith: your hands again to recognize we've pb, harmon zuckerman: we've been beating that horse for for five years, now. but, um,. I don't have a problem just giving all the credit to the city.

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Lisa smith:, you know you one when you're in a meeting and the person you've been trying to convince suddenly introduces your ideas, their own idea.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: right,, so.

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Lisa smith: and I never bring it up.. I just let it go.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, I'm happy with your job to take the attribution. oh.

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Thank you., pb,, harmon zuckerman:, an idea.

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Pb, peter vitale:, so, primarily,, I'm hearing more concise and the issue was just addressed hewing to the innovation and.

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Pb, peter vitale: tie past 10 o'clock,, so I can say there's two things to remember:.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: equity, pb,, peter vitale: yes,. I thought equity.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: good., lisa, smith: yeah,, it's a very strong first draft., so we're in a really good position.

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Lisa smith: thank you. pb, peter vitale:. I go, yeah. pb, harmon zuckerman: thanks a ton. Sarah and david.

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Pb sarah silver:, you well. you're welcome. and I will just say it was I had such a good time talking to david for such a long time. It was really, really interesting and.

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Pb sarah silver: we both were like to have.. We don't get to do this with all of us during a planning like really sort of unpack some ideas and explore and was really interesting.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, we use zoom that helps to be able to look each other in the eye and say stuff. yeah.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his):, and we were two hours apart in time zones.. So I don't know what that meant.

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Lisa smith:: are you back now,, sarah, or pb? Sarah silver:, I am. I am back drove drove through kansas, where nobody was wearing a mask.

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Pb john gerstle : oh,.

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Lisa smith:, I was numbers- are also completely terrifying.. Yes. yeah.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): yeah.. We were all supposed to go to wisconsin to have thanksgiving in my sister's house and her and her husband, both got covered for the word thanksgiving.. So it's a good thing.. We all cancels.

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Pb sarah silver: me. okay.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): yes, they,. They only had met smell loss for the most part, and they're, starting to regain their sense of smell.. So we're hoping that it's that they're, the kinds of people who don't get a very.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, intense version., but yeah,, it's a it. I everybody's knowing somebody.. Now it's a totally different. right.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: update to my son,, my son, my, my,, my freshman kid just came home on saturday, and he's taking his last exam is this evening when he came in just to ask for dinner.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: and- and that was one of my biggest fears- on, you know, traveling in the middle, the of the thanksgiving thing he got three corbett test done as soon as he arrived this week, so apparently see used when this rapid testing.. So he got those.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: done., and then he did the staff to one who ya got the results. Today., so he's here,. But it is the kind of thing that you don't have to go very far to find somebody who has had it.. I've had a number of my friends here to end in boulder.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: in the different you know like mostly on the trailer park, communities and the public housing here.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: most community., most families.. I know they have to have somebody or the entire family.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, so it is very, very common. now, and even some of the businesses have been asking if there's a way to close shop.. So this either live or this businesses they're willing to go. You know invade us so that can keep health healthy, so anyways.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, please stay safe., pb,, lupita d, montoya: and hopefully this well. It's gonna get worse., but hopefully won't last as long as they're predicting.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, so for those of you, following along at home., we're done with the 2020 letter to city council, where it's a debrief and and I'll let the debriefing continue of folks have more to talk to each other about.

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Lisa smith: now I can't remember my timing of world war, two very well,, but we're at that point. We were,. We know it's going to end., but it's not going to end for a while yet. and yeah, you'd have to keep on keeping on.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: um,. Does anybody have any calendar check items that they need to discuss? Sarah.

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Pb, sarah silver:, so there is a possibility.. I won't be able to participate in the december 17.

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Pb sarah silver: meeting.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, okay, well, just keep us informed and pb. Sarah silver: we hold on.

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pb sarah silver: okay., pb, harmon zuckerman:. Anybody else, calendar issues., okay. cindy,. Do you have any calendar issues to inform us of.

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No. cob, cindy spence:, we're just on schedule, is normal. and our last meeting of the year will be next, our next meeting, december 17 and.

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Cob, cindy spence:, we will be virtual, the first of starting the first part of the year, and I don't know for how long.. So that's as honest as I can be. okay.

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pb, harmon, zuckerman: good.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:- you just want to mention something because I did. I do have something on my schedule right before our meeting on the 17th,, I will be here.. I might just have.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: possibly be a little bit late., I'm going to be doing a talk for something related to call it, and for communities., and so I don't want to miss that. I'm supposed to close the school straight coffee straight talk and I agree to it,. But I have to be doing the very last part of it.

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Pb, lupita d montoya: as soon as I'm out of that one., I'm on this one.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:, okay, so loopy to if you can just commit to.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: texting me or cindy,, so that we know you know when, when you're going to be joining,, that would be great if you're going to be late. otherwise,, we'll just expect you.

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Pb, lupita d, montoya: yeah, okay., lisa smith:. I apologize for not texting.. I had a sudden plumbing emergency. they're required.

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Cob, cindy spence:, so last week.

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Cob, cindy spence: middle of the night.

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Pb david ensign (he/him/his): we're back. When we used to have dinners,, we would have trouble getting ourselves to move in from the break room before 605.

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Cob, cindy spence: yeah.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. So do we have any reports at all from hello or charles.

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Cob, charles ferro:, I think from staff. hella pannewig assistant, city attorney:, and nothing for me.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman:. Thank you very much for all of your assistance. Tonight.

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cob,, cindy spence: and the guidance.

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Cob charles ferro:, on, as always thanks to jean and cindy for making everything, work and.

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Cob charles ferro: continued some wise.

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Cob, cindy spence: brenda help us tonight so can cob charles ferro: run it to. yeah.

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Pb, harmon zuckerman: much appreciated. okay,. If no one else has any reports from your committees or anything else that I think we can.

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Pb, lupita d montoya:, they say for healthy.

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Cob, cindy spence:, tonight, everyone.

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Cob, cindy spence: thank you,, brenda.

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Cob, cindy spence: oh, sandy. yeah.

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pb david ensign (he/him/his):. Maybe you should send the word version of the letter to peter and lisa,, because I think it's just in pdf right, now.

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Cob, cindy spence:, it is I'll do that right, now.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his):, probably better than me doing it, because that would be kind of cereal. A meeting like yeah.

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Cob, cindy spence: I'll. Do it right now,, since I'm out tomorrow. cool.

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Pb david ensign, (he/him/his): all right.

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Cob, cindy spence:, okay. goodnight.

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Cob, cindy spence: thanks gene for everything. cob, jean gatza, (she/her): yep, thank you., yeah., cob,, cindy spence: I'll, see you next week.

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Cob jean gatza, (she/her): okay. sounds good. have a good day: tomorrow.

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cob,, cindy spence:, okay, bye.