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A
Okay,
everybody
ready
all
right,
I'll
call
to
order
the
with
this
day,
April
18th
city,
Boulder,
planning
board
meeting.
The
first
thing
on
our
agenda
is
actually
to
modify
the
agenda.
I
want
to
ask
that
we
do
appointments
before
a
chair
and
vice
chair
at
the
beginning
meeting,
because
I
have
to
recuse
myself
for
the
first
agenda
items.
So
I
want
to
open
it
up
to
nominations
for
those
spots.
C
A
B
A
A
Other
nominations:
okay,
those
in
favor,
okay,
any
opposed,
nope;
okay,
we
have
a
new
chair
and
vice
chair,
but
the
bloodbath
begin
so
first,
the
first
part
supporter
by
Jen
tonight
is
the
approval
of
mini
mints.
We've
got
meeting
minutes
from
March
21st
April,
4th
I
know
some
folks
had
offered
suggestions
to
Cindy
for
Corrections
via
email.
Do
we
have
any
other
suggestions
for
Corrections
tonight?
A
Cool
all
in
favor
any
opposed
nope,
okay.
So
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
public
participation.
We've
got
a
two
public
hearing
items
tonight.
One
is
the
form
based
code
review
for
the
affordable
housing
component
of
30th
and
pearl
the
powered
project
and
the
other
is
recommendations
on
the
utility
components
of
the
design
and
construction
standards.
If
anyone
wants
to
speak
to
the
Planning
Board
on
items
that
are
not
either
of
those
things,
this
is
the
time
to
do
it.
A
Cindy
do
we
have
anybody,
okay,
cool
and
then
we
have
no
dis
dispositions
or
call
ups
or
continuations
to
talk
about.
So
that
will
take
us
to
the
item
5a
on
the
agenda,
which
is
the
form
based
code,
review
of
30th
and
parole
and
because
I
have
a
conflict
on
this
project.
I've
never
accused
myself
and
hand
it
over
to
Harmons
Eckerman,
our
new
chair
or
vice
chair,
acting
acting
chair
for
a
moment.
Yep
enjoy
this
life
in
the
spotlight.
Thanks
I'll
leave
you
to
your
seat.
F
E
G
G
What
at
the
time
was
and
sort
of
still
remains
a
underutilized
industrial
area
really
to
be
built
out
at
a
higher
intensity
with
mixed-use
and
make
an
urban
neighborhood
build-out
is
intended
in
two
phases:
phase
one
is
essentially
west
of
the
railroad
tracks,
as
you
can
see
in
the
exhibit
there's
a
little
bit
of
phase
two
across
30th
Street,
but
Phase
two
mostly
occurs
when
yeast
of
the
railroad
tracks
also
envision
is
Teva
in
kiva
is
two
infill.
The
broad
super
blocks
with
walkable
high-density
neighborhoods
and
those
are
intended
to
be
connected
to
the
transit.
G
Ultimately,
the
intent
is
to
provide
approximately
1,400
to
2,400
new
residential
units,
and
today,
with
this
project
we're
probably
at
about
1200,
it's
part
of
T
vApp.
There
was
a
land-use
plan
that
was
adopted
and,
as
you
can
see,
for
the
MU
to
land
use
designations.
Were
this
particular
project
sites
located.
It's
intended
for
the
vision
at
evap
is
three
and
four-story
mixed-use
buildings,
so
really
pretty
high
density
fairly
large
buildings.
G
In
this
context,
as
has
essentially
been
built
out
over
time,
the
adopted
Teva
mixed-use
to
then
translated
to
a
mixed-use
business
as
part
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
and
then
it's
defined
as
areas
that
are
essentially
you
know
in
various
areas,
but
primarily
for
this.
Around
30th
and
Pearl
Street
with
business
or
residential
uses,
and
in
particular
it's
important
to
note
that
it
calls
out
housing
and
public
uses.
Supporting
housing
will
be
encouraged
and
may
even
be
required,
so
those
adopted
land
use
has
been
translated
to
a
comprehensive
rezoning
over
time.
G
That
became
the
MU
four
and
that's
defined
as
mixed-use
residential
areas
generally
intended
for
residential
uses,
with
neighborhoods
serving
retail
and
off.
It's
anticipated
that
development
will
occur
in
a
pedestrian
oriented
pattern,
with
buildings
built
up
to
the
street.
So
again,
really
a
an
urban
configurations
anticipated
then
over
time
to
help
ensure
a
certain
predictable
outcome
for
design
and
development
city
went
a
step
further
and
developed
the
form
based
code
for
Boulder
Junction.
It
was
adopted
in
2016
and
it
was
after
a
year
of
workshops
and
and
planning
facilitated
discussions.
G
It's
really
intended
to
be
prescriptive.
It's
doesn't
meet
it
or
does
it
not
meet
it
and
if
not,
does
the
exception
meet
the
criteria
that
you
can
review
against?
It
looks
at
function
in
the
form
and
the
design
character
the
buildings,
as
well
as
anticipating
a
certain
quality
with
the
types
of
materials
that
are
expected.
So,
let's
pull
out
a
little
bit
and
look
at
the
broad
perspective.
The
area
that
is
in
gold
is
what
had
been
owned
by
the
city
over
time.
It's
an
11
acre
area
that
was
purchased
in
the
early
2000s.
G
It
was
part
of
a
site
selection
for
a
transit
facility
and
through
a
design-build
RFP.
It
resulted
in
a
below
grade
bus
facility,
regional
bus
facility
with
a
hotel,
the
reuse
of
the
historic
Depot
21
permanently
affordable
units
that
wrapped
a
shared
parking
structure.
And
then,
when
we
zoom
in
a
bit
more,
you
can
see
that
the
build
context
with
that
RTD
bus
facility,
the
historic
Depot.
G
But
when
we
look
at
the
plans
for
the
proposed
project,
the
buildings
are
referred
to:
2a,
2b
and
4b,
and
their
plan
to
be
redeveloped
by
the
boulder
housing
partners
essentially
is
permanently
affordable,
rentals
for
thirty
to
sixty
percent
area
median
income.
In
addition,
the
applicant
is
building
below
grade
parking.
There's
two
new
roadways
planned
a
and
B
extension
of
a
multi-use
path
through
the
site
from
Pearl
Street
on
the
bottom
of
the
screen
up
to
towards
Goose
Creek,
along
with
to
internal
paseo
connections.
G
So
we'll
spend
a
little
bit
more
time,
looking
at
the
project
with
this
first
key
issue
and
consistency
with
the
form
based
code
so
beginning
with
the
functional
aspects
of
the
site.
The
regulating
plan
identifies
required,
functional
aspects
and
in
this
case
the
buildings
are
intended
to
be
a
general
building
type
and
that's
defined
as
essentially
a
basic
building
that
serves
the
urban
fabric
and
built
along
a
sidewalk
again
reinforcing
that
pedestrian
street
face.
However,
it's
also
required
that
there
be
a
storefront
on
that
form
for
be
part
of
the
site.
G
So
when
we
compare
that
to
site
plan,
you
can
see
that
a
lot
of
those
functions
have
actually
been
established
pretty
clearly
in
this
particular
regulatory
plan.
When
we
take
a
look
at
building,
excuse
me
to
be
to
a
it's
located
along
30th
Street
and
that
new
Street
type
type
frontage
of
a
it's
designed
as
a
three
and
four-story
building
that
utilizes
brick
and
various
lay
up
patterns,
red
and
warm
grade.
There's
some
material
sample
boards
here,
and
it
essentially
demonstrates
that
it
meets
the
form
based
code
requirements
for
a
whole
host
of
these
requirements.
G
G
This
point
have
met
most
of
those
criteria,
but
we'll
talk
about
some
exceptions
and
then,
of
course,
for
be
at
the
corner
of
Junction
Place
and
pearl
Parkway
is
designed
as
a
three
story
building.
It
has
really
warm
or
light
gray,
stock
bond,
brick
metal
panel
and
some
wood
composite
and
because
there's
a
requirement
for
that
store.
Frontage.
G
There's
black
aluminum
storefront
with
steel
trim
details
things
like
metal,
awnings
and
such
building
4b
meets
the
majority
of
the
the
general
building
and
storage
requirements
and
again
there's
some
exceptions
that
we'll
talk
about
next
and
then
there's
that
Street
terminus
requirement
at
the
end
of
Street
B,
the
applicants
actually
creatively
come
up
with
a
an
awning.
That's
essentially
an
architectonic
element,
contemporary
manner
with
high
tensions,
steel
cables
and
a
public
art
opportunity,
and
they
could
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
as
well.
G
So
four
key
issue
to
the
question
is:
if
the
board
finds
the
exceptions,
meet
the
criteria,
the
code
and
there's
specifically,
exceptions
can
be
granted
if
it's
consistent
in
this
a
exception
with
T
vapp
and
it
won't
create
adverse
impacts
and
B
if
there's
site
conditions
that
really
weren't
created
by
the
applicant.
That
makes
compliance
impractical
and
if
an
alternative
is
the
minimum
that
provides
relief.
So,
with
the
first
exception,
it's
the
Paseo
treatment
and
four-wide
Paseo
is
this:
is
the
requirements
actually
for
scored
concrete?
G
G
This
exception
with
regard
to
the
maximum
impervious
coverage
relates
a
little
bit
to
that
previous
one,
and
while
the
requirement
for
the
foreign-based
codes
a
maximum
65%
impervious
surface
between
the
three
buildings,
it
averages
about
76
percent,
but
staff
finds
that
exception
meets
the
criteria
as
really
the
intent
is
to
create
a
new
urban
neighborhood
with
diversity,
housing
and
managed
parking
and
there's
some
challenges
to
making
pervious
surface
and
meeting
those
goals.
When
you
have
below
grade
parking
that
takes
that
parking
function
and
moves
it
down
below.
G
It
also
helps
with
grading
and
storm
drainage
and
staff
finds
that
it
really
doesn't
create
any
additional
impacts
than
if
the
pervious
surface
was
mat.
There's
some
creative
ways
that
landscaping
is
done
with
an
18
inch
depth
of
soil,
put
on
the
parking
structure,
but
again
that
doesn't
fall
under
the
pervious
surface
requirement.
Then
there's
an
exception
to
the
north
and
west
side,
the
2b,
and
that
is
related
to
the
build
to
zone
in
the
build
to
corner
and
in
this
particular
case,
because
it's
a
type
a
frontage
both
along
30th
and
along
Goose
Creek.
G
It's
a
bit
challenge
because
of
the
regional
PS
Coe
easement.
It's
essentially
Excel
overhead
easements.
It's
enormous!
You
can't
miss
it
when
you're
out
there
and
the
easement
also
jogs
to
the
south,
as
you
can
see
in
the
image
up
above
and
overlaps
onto
the
west
side
of
the
build
too,
since
the
building
can
encroach
into
that
easement
compliance
really
isn't
possible
and
so
staff
finds
that
the
site
design
actually
does
achieve
a
building
forward
design,
and
that
was
the
intent
of
the
bill
too.
Without
the
letter
of
that
particular
rule.
G
In
addition,
it
doesn't
create
any
greater
impacts
in
this
particular
case
again,
because
the
you
can
note
that
Goose
Creek
path
is
really
set
down
below.
This
relates
a
little
bit
to
an
exception
also
for
the
transformer
location.
This
is
really
a
four-sided
building
and
you
have
either
type
A
or
type
B
frontages
required
on
all
four
sides,
and
you
have
that
below
grade
parking
on
the
south
end
of
the
building.
G
So
really
the
only
place
to
put
this
is
on
the
north
end
and
you
can
see
it
highlighted
in
turquoise,
and
this
is
the
transformer
in
this
particular
case,
staff
finds
that
the
solution
still
meets
the
peeve
a
pride
lines
in
that
it
provides
a
pretty
interesting
streetscape.
The
applicant
has
also
talked
about
perhaps
doing
some
sort
of
artistic
wall
installation
on
the
area
where
there's
a
blank
wall
adjacent
to
the
transformer,
so
that
something
they
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
as
well.
G
That
also,
then
relates
to
transparency
for
this
particular
building,
and
you
can
see
that
that
transformer
is
that,
where
it's
located
precludes
from
having
any
type
of
openings
because
of
the
PS
Co
line.
That's
there,
however,
again
teve
app
suggests
pedestrian
scale,
materials
and
articulate
architecture.
G
Tickle
Asian
can
be
transparent
windows
and
define
entrances
and,
like
I
say
the
applicants
talked
about
maybe
treating
that
wall
with
an
art,
installation,
public
art,
installation.
So
then,
moving
on
to
building
for
B
and
the
store
frontage,
transparency
and
exceptions
required
for
the
ground
floor.
A
storefront
transparency
on
the
East
elevation
of
building
for
B,
a
portion
of
that
required
60
feet
of
store
frontage
windows
on
the
ground
floor
is
intended
as
affordable
residential
units.
So
instead
of
storefront.
G
So
in
this
case,
it
meet
Steve,
app
and
again
because
the
star
front
wraps
around
to
the
east
of
certain
portion
and
in
that
area,
where
the
actual
use
is
retail,
the
building's
fenestration
really
does
reflect
the
use,
that's
planned,
so
the
staff
finds
that
it
meets
that
criteria
and
then,
finally,
there
was
an
exceptional
request
for
the
ground
floor
for
beyond
the
south
side,
and
it's
essentially
a
greater
overhang
than
the
foreign
base
code
would
suggest
for
storefront.
It
suggests
18
inches
in
this
case.
It's
about
6,
feet
and
essentially,
what's
going
on.
G
Is
the
applicants
providing
greater
living
space
on
the
second
floor
in
this
location
so
again
deferring
to
that
T
vapp
goal
of
having
a
higher
percentage
of
affordable
housing?
Having
that
extend
a
little
bit
further
actually
helps
to
address
that
goal
of
additional
residential?
You
could
also
figure
that
in
this
particular
location,
south
facing
location,
that
those
broad
that
broad
overhang
will
help
shade
the
Sun
in
the
summer
and
provide
solar
gate
in
the
winter,
and
it
still
is
an
attractive.
Streetscape
word
about
public
notification.
The
signs
been
posted
on
the
site.
G
We
provided
written
notification
news
from
City
Hall
also
proposed
information
about
it.
This
says
no
public
comments.
We
received
that's
erroneous.
There
were
some
public
comments
received
three
public
comments.
Two
of
them
did
indicate
support
for
it
and
a
third
had
some
concerns
about
some
t-bob
connections.
So
with
that
staff
recommends
the
planning
board,
approve
or
base
code
review
and
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
to.
C
G
G
Yeah
window
glazing
staff
felt
like
it
would
be
acceptable
to
have
units
that
didn't
have
direct
access,
and
in
this
particular
case
the
units
that
are
planned
are
oriented
toward
adults,
developmental
disabilities
and
in
this
particular
location,
and
it
seemed
like
it
would
be
a
more
acceptable
approach
to
have
that
broader
opening,
but
not
necessarily
have
entry
and
access
directly
onto
the
street,
and
you
can
talk
with
the
applicant
a
little
bit
more.
There.
F
Was
some
concern
on
behalf
of
the
applicant,
the
population
that
would
be
living
there?
I
think
that
they
can
probably
go
through
there
their
rationale,
the
other
thing
that
I
would
note
is
that
those
openings
are
designed
to
actually
be
retrofitted
into
doorways
and
the
event
that
the
special
population
that
it
would
be
residing
there
now
changes
over
time.
So
there
was
some
thought
given
to
you
know
if,
in
the
future
was
appropriate
to
put
doors
in
there,
that
that
would
be
something
that
we'd
be
able
to
accomplish
easily.
Thank
you.
C
C
Another
question
then
I'll
also
be
seeking
guidance
from
the
applicant
on
this,
and
that
is
I
noticed
that
there's
really
no
balconies
associated
with
any
of
these
accommodations
and
I
understand
that
there
may
be
cost
and
design
considerations
associated
with
that.
But
considering
what
an
important
amenity
that
is
for
many
folks
I
was
wondering
what
staffs
thoughts
are
on
that.
So.
G
It's
a
an
amenity,
rich
area
and
in
context
like
this,
in
a
urban
context,
the
expectation
is
there's
the
Mapleton
ball
fields.
There's
a
small
pocket
park.
That's
just
north
of
this
site.
There's
the
Goose
Creek
Trail,
there's
a
number
of
open
space
amenities
that
would
allow
for
folks
to
enjoy
in
this
particular
building.
There's
an
interior,
open
space
area.
That's
pretty
well
designed
and
the
applicant
can
talk
about
that
as
well,
but
again
when
you're
looking
at
it
strictly
from
form-based
code
and
we're
checking
boxes,
that's
not
one
of
the
boxes
to
check.
Thank.
C
H
G
Sure
so
let
me
get
to
the
both
the
regulating
plan
in
the
site
plan.
So
really,
essentially,
what
it
does
is.
It
helps
to
reestablish
the
grid
pattern,
and
so
that
would
be
sort
of
the
key
reason
for
doing
Street
a
and
Street
B.
In
this
particular
case,
Street
B
comes
off
of
the
multi
way.
Boulevard
that's
pearl
Parkway
today,
and
so
access
into
the
site
would
be
through
a
slip
ramp
that
comes
in
on
the
multi
way,
Boulevard
and
it
goes
down.
G
Street
B
terminates
its
three-day.
So
at
that
point
you
can
either
go
east
or
west
in
terms
of
the
multi-use
path
is
similar.
Intent
is
to
use
the
slip
ramp.
The
multi
way
Boulevard
really
is
intended
as
a
shared
street.
It's
where
the
car
is
really
essentially
a
guest,
and
so
pedestrians
and
bikes
mingle
with
the
car.
So
same
thing,
bike
comes
on
multi
way,
Boulevard,
it
goes
on
the
multi-use
path
and
then
can
connect
up
to
the
north.
Are.
E
H
G
H
And
then
I
do
have.
This
is
about
the
review,
which
is
about
the
choice
of
color.
The
use
of
colors
I
went
down
to
check
out
the
site,
I'm
actually
down
there
a
lot,
because
my
gym
is
her
happened
there
and
I
had
the
use
of
white
on
existing
buildings
in
that
neighborhood
I.
Think
not
it's
not
successful.
So
I'm
curious.
What
are
the
is
there?
Any
openness
for
discussion
of
perhaps
changing
some
of
the
color
options.
G
The
proposed
buildings
so
there's
examples,
there's
material
samples
here
and
I
think
one
of
the
ones
you're
probably
talking
about
is
the
hotel,
which
is
actually
a
white
concrete
building.
In
this
particular
case,
the
applicants
using
more
of
a
warm
grey
for
most
of
the
brick
we're
sort
of
a
blonde
brick
I
guess
you
could
say
you
can
ask
them
about
that,
but
form
based
code
also
doesn't
regulate
color.
So
that's
something
that
we
don't
have
a
means
to
regulate.
Yeah.
H
I
J
B
G
B
E
Gonna
follow
through
so,
in
other
words,
the
criterion
that
we're
familiar
with
around
site
review.
Where
all
of
the
you
know,
all
the
Lots
that
are
owned
and
contiguous
that
contiguous
Lots
are
owned
by
the
same
owner
have
to
meet
all
the
site.
Review
criteria
it
doesn't
apply,
inform
based
code
review
is
what
you're
saying:
okay
good
and.
B
C
G
There
was
a
desire
to
not
have
it
too
close
to
30th
due
to
stacking
or
to
junction
place,
so
it
really
needed
to
be
central,
and
so
essentially
that
terminates
right
street
be
so
it
had
two
competing
desires.
I
guess
you
could
say
one
of
having
an
access
that
wouldn't
cause
trauma
on
30th
and
junction
place
and
another
to
do
something
interesting
there,
and
so
the
applicant
has
come
up
with
a
pretty
clever
design
to
address
that
terminus
requirement.
G
C
F
B
F
C
E
K
E
K
Great,
thank
you:
okay,
yeah
I'm,
sorry,
Jeremy
Durham,
with
both
our
housing
partners.
For
those
of
you
that
don't
know
me
I,
think
I
know
almost
all
of
you
from
some
context
and
the
rest
I'm
sure
I'll
get
to
know
at
some
point.
We've
heard
some
great
questions
and
we're
here
and
ready
to
answer
them.
So
that's
what
tonight
is
about.
We
have
our
team
here
to
help
answer.
K
K
K
Not
only
are
we
on
track
to
meet
some
of
the
initial
goals,
but
I
think
we're
really
excited
to
say
that
what
we've
really
actually
I
think
improved
the
project
in
a
lot
of
ways
from
some
of
the
ways
it
was
initially
contemplated
and
to
the
point
we're
actually
considering
both
the
scale
and
depth
of
affordability.
That
would
be
offered
through
this
phase
of
the
project.
K
This
project
will
do
more
to
reduce
rent
burden
for
families
and
individuals
in
Boulder
than
any
project
in
Boulder's
history,
pulling
a
full
1.2
million
dollars
annually
out
of
rent
burden.
So
that's
just
considering
what
market
rate
units
are
compared
to
the
rents
that
we're
able
to
charge
not
only
that,
but
we're
able
to
serve
two
special
populations
that
really
need
housing
in
this
community.
K
One
of
them
is
a
permanently
supportive
housing
population,
so
formerly
homeless,
individuals
wrapped
around
with
case
management
services,
as
well
as
the
intellectual
and
developmentally
disabled
community,
through
our
partnership
with
ramble.
That
will
have
a
really
great
program
here,
as
well
as
housing
for
some
of
those
populations.
So
not
only
are
we
excited
about
the
populations
that
were
able
to
house
the
depth
of
affordability
and
the
scale
of
the
project
that
we're
able
to
bring
to
meeting
boulders,
affordable
housing
challenges,
but
we
really
feel
that
this
is
the
ideal
location
to
do
it
in
that.
K
This
is
a
location
that
is
just
an
incredible
redevelopment
opportunity,
an
opportunity
to
take
what
was
once
a
car
dealership
and
is
now
a
blighted
parking
lot
and
make
it
into
something
really
beautiful.
That
really
serves
the
community
and
that's
something
that
we've
heard
is
an
area
of
real
common
ground
in
the
community.
K
L
That's
complex,
a
great
benefit
to
the
city
and
really
been
done
with
great
collaboration.
So
thank
you
all
for
your
help
as
we
move
this
forward
in
a
very
expedited
fashion.
So,
as
you've
heard,
it's
five
point,
six
acres
we're
bringing
forward
to
you
two
parcels
of
that
tonight:
120
units
you
asked
about
the
affordability
and
the
unit
makes
so
120
units
of
forever
affordable
units.
L
L
We've
got
40%
ami
about
7%,
50%
of
23%
and
then
60%
ami
units
at
46%,
so
really
trying
to
again
get
that
rainbow
effect
of
reaching
large
range
of
folks
here,
and
then
we
also
have
a
range
of
unit
configurations
so
zero
to
the
three-bedroom
that
really
matches
what
it
is
we
see
in
demand
coming
forward
for
the
organization,
so
this
is
a
great
place
where
we
can
showcase
and
meet
demand
that
we're
seeing
for
the
organization
scale
really
important
here.
Jeremy
touched
on
that.
L
What
a
perfect
location
we
have
the
the
transit
corridors,
regional
bike
paths
multimodal.
So
that's
really
again.
You
know
in
terms
of
the
density
that
we're
seeing
here,
this
is
sort
of
the
greatest
location,
probably
in
town,
to
do
that
at
we've
dispersed
the
units
at
the
site.
So
if
you
look
at
our
entire
portfolio,
we
are
big
believers
in
making
sure
that
we
are
representing
affordable
product
everywhere
in
the
city
and
this
site,
as
a
micro-level
of
that
is
no
different.
L
So
what
you
see
is
the
having
a
portable
in
north
east
or
north
west
and
southeast
corners.
We
thought
that
was
important,
so
we
didn't
have
any
kind
of
you
know,
line
of
demarcation
about
having
affordable
in
one
and
market
rate,
and
the
other
Jeremy
touched
on
that
special
needs
populations
again.
We're
excited
to
continue
our
partnership
with
the
shelter
and
also
really
excited
to
start
a
new
partnership
with
ramble
on
the
commercial
space
that
you
see
there
will
be
affordable.
L
Commercial
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
really
clear
will
work
with
ramble
on
with
an
expansion
of
their
current
location,
which
is
on
Pearl
Street.
It
will
do
vocational
training
for
residents
that
live
in
that
building
with
us
and
train
them
in
the
retail
industry,
which
will
be
again
a
tremendous
asset.
So
when,
on
that
corner
for
both
meeting
form-based
code
and
meeting
a
users
really
needed
for
the
population,
I
will
be
living
there.
L
You'll
hear
it
a
little
bit
from
our
public
art
consultant,
but
we
have
identified
four
public
artists
or
for
artists
to
provide
public
art
at
the
site.
They've
been
identified
and
we're
working
on
contracts
with
them
right
now,
really
exciting
large
installations,
and
it's
a
passion
of
our
organization-
well
really
add
a
lot
of
vibrancy
to
the
to
the
facility's
sustainability.
Twenty
percent
no
PHP
is
electricity
generated
comes
from
solar.
L
This
will
be
opportunity,
just
increase
that
amount,
so
we'll
have
solar
on
the
roofs
and
obviously
meet
the
energy
code
for
for
the
city,
which
is
a
high
bar
to
begin
with,
and
then
finally,
I
want
to
call
out
that
we'll
be
doing
sort
of
a
branding
exercise
for
the
entire
site.
So
not
just
the
parcels
that
we
own,
but
we
want
there
to
be
cohesion
for
the
properties,
so
it
might
be
a
different
name
down
the
road.
L
M
Holika
with
coburn
architectural
aims,
presentation
was
very
comprehensive,
Walsh's
trying
to
add
color.
As
Elaine
mentioned,
the
form
based
code
came
out
of
15
years
of
public
outreach.
First,
there
was
community
charettes
after
the
purchase.
Then
there
was
a
chief
app
area
plan.
Then
there
was
a
farm
base
code,
so
as
the
architect
for
bhp
in
the
city,
we
did
not
feel
that
was
our
job
to
reconsider
what
the
community
desired.
We
felt
it
was
our
job
to
take
with
the
community
desired
and
tried
to
bring
it
to
life
and
make
it
an
excellent
place.
M
So
to
that
end,
you
can
see
that
we
really
didn't
change
any
of
the
initial
form
based
code
framework
plan.
We
tried
to
take
it
and
make
it
into
a
great
place.
So
to
that
point,
the
major
requirements
of
the
form
based
code,
there's
466
requirements
on
the
form
based
code.
We
counted
today,
I
thought
that
was
interesting.
The
big
ones
three
locations,
Paseos
the
building
heights,
step,
downs,
roof
articulation
of
building
lengths.
There
are
no
exceptions
required
or
requested
for
any
of
that.
M
We're
trying
to
obey
the
community
will
here,
wherever
possible,
which
is
almost
everywhere
when
you
get
down
to
the
details.
Form
based
code
is
very
specific
and
it's
it's
fun
to
work
with
in
a
lot
of
ways
so
materials
the
types
of
materials
where
the
transparency
is,
how
much
of
it
there
is
how
the
roof
ends
where
the
window
articulation
is
expression
lines.
All
that
stuff
is
all
followed.
So
Elaine
highlighted
a
few
exceptions,
maybe
eight
I
think
in
groups
in
three
main
groups
out
of
466
things.
M
That's
what
we
need
to
talk
to
you
about.
The
other
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
the
form
base
come
as
a
pilot
and
the
the
consultant
wrote
nearly
500
requirements
and
almost
all
of
them
work
great,
there's
a
couple
of
discrepancies
in
the
form
based
code
that
result
in
some
of
these
exceptions,
we'll
talk
about
that
I
will
try
to
hit
some
of
the
questions
as
I
go
through
this
just
to
keep
this
efficient
generally
and
I'm,
trying
to
figure
out
a
really
polite
way
to
say
this.
M
We
sure
the
concern
that
was
raised
on
some
of
the
surrounding
colors
and
that's
as
far
as
I'm
going
to
go
into
that,
but
we
are
very
concerned
what
the
stark
contrast
in
some
locations.
So
there
are
no
whites
proposed
here.
We
have
tones
and
the
majority
of
the
project
has
pretty
saturated
tones
on
purpose
the
building
across
from
the
hotel
we'll
talk
about,
but
there's
a
reason.
M
We
selected
that
color
we're
trying
to
not
create
this
really
jarring
black
and
white
effect,
roof
decks
and
balconies
great
questions,
so
PHP
tends
to
shy
away
from
balconies
for
operational
reasons,
but
we
still
want
outdoor
space
public
space.
So
on
this
rendering
the
upper
floors,
you
can
see
that
kind
of
step
downs
for
the
third
floors.
Both
of
those
are
roof
decks.
M
We
can
get
to
them
because
we
have
the
fourth
floor,
that's
higher,
so
we
can
come
out
without
the
challenges
that
Charles
described,
but
we
do
have
that
the
outdoor
space
additionally
I'm
gonna
flip
around
a
little
bit
because
I'm
answering
questions
I
apologize.
We
have
these
interior
courtyards
on
both
for
South
than
2a
and
those
are
designed
by
Civitas
a
landscape
architect
to
be
gathering
spaces.
M
M
On
the
project
we're
trying
to
move
this
forward
in
order
to
maintain
the
track,
we've
continued
to
refine
because
we're
putting
in
CDs
we
we
could
have
a
little
bit
of
space
on
this
building
as
well.
So
you
don't
have
a
fourth
floor
here,
so
you
can't
come
out,
but
we
do
have
the
second
floor
balcony
right
at
this
corner,
trying
to
again
create
that
foam
based
code
acknowledge
the
important
corner
and
make
it
a
place
that
people
can
gather.
M
M
So
that's
why
the
form-based
code
was
written
with
that
little
storefront
requirement
on
the
corner,
so
we
felt-
and
we
worked
heavily
with
staff
to
create
this
sort
of
moment
that
comes
up
in
the
corner,
that
acknowledges
that
that's
a
more
commercial
space
and
that
works
really
well
with
the
ramalon
pearl
group,
because
they're
doing
that
sort
of
live
work
scenario
where
there's
this
job
training.
So
it's
it's.
It's
a
really
unique
and
pretty
special
circumstance
that
we
get
to
have
that
kind
of
affordable
commercial
here,
and
this
is
the
back
side
of
that.
M
M
Exactly
yep
so
because
it's
pretty
important
in
the
district,
the
parking
is
built
under
all
of
q2
and
q3.
The
right-hand
side
of
the
parking
will
be
devoted
to
the
market,
the
left-hand
side,
to
follow
some
principles.
So
if
you
choose
not
to
have
a
parking
space
in
bhp
swirled,
you
will
pay
less
rent
in
the
affordable.
You
I'm
sorry
in
the
market
rate
world,
you
can
buy
a
unit.
If
you
want
a
parking
you
have
to
buy
that
separately,
you
don't
get
to
just
have
it
all.
So
it's
not
a
parking
space.
M
It's
it's
a
right
to
use
the
parking
pool,
so
that
allows
bhp
to
have
fewer
parking
spaces
because
they
can
pull
them.
There's
also
spaces
for
visitors
on
the
market
rate
side.
If
it's
the
space,
if
the
spaces
aren't
utilized
saying
in
the
middle
of
the
day,
they
are
required
to
be
able
and
available
to
be
used
by
the
district.
So
anybody
can
park
there
and
there's
a
parking
program.
I
can
go
into
technically
how
that
works,
but
it's
pretty
unique
and
progressive
parking
solution.
M
The
location
John
great
question
about
why
the
location
is
here.
So
we
went
through
this
with
traffic
both
of
our
consultant
and
city
on
traffic
folks,
and
it
became
pretty
clear
that
the
way
to
do
this
intersection
was
to
have
a
normal
cross
intersection
with
the
garage
terminus
on
the
north
side.
Of
that
intersection
again,
the
concern
is
Eleni.
Charles
mentioned
was
having
too
close
to
junction
place
to
xxx
was
going
to
cause
traffic
to
queuing
problems.
M
People
wouldn't
be
able
to
turn
so
when
that
happened,
it
became
a
problem
or
opportunity,
depending
on
how
you
look
at
it.
So
it's
in
a
good
location
for
traffic
flow.
So
now
how
do
we
make
it
now?
Look
the
entrance
to
a
parking
garage,
so
this
also
brings
up
the
art
program.
That
Elaine
was
talking
about
my
apologies.
We
have
working
with
Lea
Clark,
who
will
talk
about
it
in
more
detail.
We
have
four
locations
in
the
first
phase,
where
all
have
more.
M
In
the
second
phase,
we've
opened
that
up
to
an
RFP
process
for
local
artists,
we
have
like
40
respondents
to
each
location,
so
it's
pretty
good.
We
were
able
to
choose
from
some
really
high-level
submittals
its
preliminary,
but
right
now,
for
example,
the
preliminary
thought
is:
there's
two
art
installations
on
this
one
thing:
there's
a
metal
screening
on
the
left,
that's
designed
and
then
there's
a
mural
on
those
support
wall.
How
much
time
need
I'll
get
through
it,
real
quick.
So
those
are
the
art
locations.
M
I'll
skip
that
on
the
bottom,
you
see
through
the
storefront
to
a
mural
wall
inside
the
building.
So
the
exceptions
is
the
last
thing.
I'll
talk
about
and
I'll
do
it
quickly?
Really.
This
is
coming
out
of
some
discrepancies
within
the
form
based
code,
for
example.
There
was
always
an
assumption
that
we
would
have
parking
garages
here,
but
the
previous
amount
was
due
to
a
technical
way
of
that
you
defined
impervious
surface.
Anything
on
top
of
a
parking
garage
cannot
count
as
impervious
surface,
so
we
can't
get
to
that
number.
M
So
we're
doing
everything
we
can
we're
putting
soil
on
top
or
planting
things
on
top
of
the
garage,
but
this
doesn't
qualify
as
impervious
surface
the
for
sale.
We
switch
from
cron
free
to
permeable
pavers
because
it's
better,
but
that
requires
another
exception
to
get
there.
So
it's
this
wee
little
cycle
and
again
they
got
almost
everything
right.
This
is
one
when
we
go
to.
If
we
ever
go
to
off
for
forum
buddies
code,
we
would
recommend
a
little
change
to
this.
Impervious
no
perfect
wants
up
for
surface
garages.
M
Another
one
was
there's
an
assumption
that
we're
gonna
have
alleys
everywhere.
So
there's
a
requirement:
the
transformers
go
into
alleys.
Some
of
the
formation
code
area
does
have
a
lease
this
one.
Doesn't
we
have
four
side
fronts,
so
we
need
an
exception
to
deal
with
the
Transformers,
so
we
had
that
PS
go
easement
David.
This
was
your
question.
We
the
transformer
up
there
there's
a
little
extra
easement
that
covers
it,
but
it's
not
over
garage.
It's
in
Sundanese
meant
we
don't
have
those
problems,
we've
seen
on
other
projects.
M
It
does
create
a
blank
wall
in
the
building.
That's
where
we
put
the
art
wall
because
we're
trying
to
turn
that
blank
wall
exception
into
an
opportunity,
so
I'll,
stop
there
and
say:
I
can
talk
more
about
any
one
of
these
exceptions
for
questions
and
just
say
that
you
know
for
us
after
15
years,
it's
pretty
cool
to
see
this
actually
come
to
life.
It's
really
exciting
I
mean
24
units.
Oh
thank
you,
sorry
about.
Thank
you.
Bill.
D
M
That's
that's.
We
talk
a
lot
about
transportation
mode
of
transportation.
That
vertical
circulation
is
a
big
deal.
That's
where
you
park
your
car,
that's
where
you
come
to
your
unit.
That's
where
you
park
your
bike.
There's
300
bike
parking
spaces
down
there,
people
get
in
and
out
of
the
building
there,
so
that
thing
I
agree
may
be
the
ideal,
but
that
is
where
people
circulate
up
and
down.
So
having
that
be
something
special
and
not
a
left
over
forgotten
back
alley,
part
that
was
what
we
felt
was
the
opportunity.
Why.
D
M
We're
submitting
the
market
rate
portion
on
May
6th,
so
that's
just
a
couple
weeks.
There
is
a
developer.
The
city
will
be
bringing
that
in
front
of
you
separately,
so
it
is
on
the
market
rate
side
of
the
project.
It
does
take
away
from
their
developable
area.
It
doesn't
take
away
from
the
bhp
units,
so
it's
put
there
on
purpose,
just
as
you
described,
yeah
no
person
gets
to
say
anything
about
it,
because
it's
going
to
be
part
of
the
approval
that
they
thought
I.
D
Know
they'll
work
around
it
wherever
you
put
it
correct?
Yes,
so
yeah
we
just
I,
don't
know
how
to
solve
the
problem
of
alleviating
the
cars
immediately
ejecting
out
of
the
parking
garage
into
where
people
are
walking
because
people
do
come
out
of
those
garages
without
the
total
awareness
of
the
sidewalk
I.
Think.
M
H
The
super
block
down
to
something
smaller
but
I
think
the
impact
of
having
a
two-way
street,
feeding
into
30th,
Street,
actually
sort
of
nagae.
The
value
of
that
when
it
comes
to
traffic
patterns
that
xxx
streets
super
busy.
As
you
know,
and
what
what
we
are
adding
here
is
another
street
that
feeds
onto
30th
Street
will
have
30th
on
one
side.
We
have
Mapleton
on
another.
We
have
a
parking
lot
just
above
Goose
Creek
and
then
all
the
way
up
to
this
happens
to
be
an
area
I
know.
Well
all
the
way
up
to
Valmont.
H
There
are
multiple
streets,
all
feeding
into
30th
streets,
so
I'm
wondering
if
there's
any
way
to
think
about
making
both
street
a
and
Street
be
one
way
streets
into
the
development
and
then
feeding
out
into
a
junction
place,
so
that
cars
are
actually
at
a
stoplight
and
can
enter
onto
Pearl
Street
more
easily
I
realize
that's
a
big
suggestion
and
I'm
just
sort
of
curious.
What
your
thoughts
are
on
that
lots.
M
M
Clarification
Street
B,
is
it
head
south
on
the
Pearl
Street
is
hitting
that
little
multi-use
path?
It's
not
multiple
Street,
so
you
can't
drive
unless
you're
a
firetruck.
That's
the
only
thing.
That's
allowed.
You
can't
drive
south
on
street
B
and
get
right
out
to
pearl
Parkway
you
get
into
that
one
earth,
that's
directly
to
the
south
of
that,
and
then
you
can
go
only
west
really
to
get
out
and
then
it
would
be
a
right
turn
only
not
going
straight
through
the
lights.
M
M
H
M
N
Chris
mcgrann
man
with
LSC
transportation
consultants.
We
were
the
traffic
consultant
for
the
project.
It's
important
to
note.
The
access
on
30th
Street
is
writing
right
out
only
it's
not
full
movement,
and
so
the
only
full
movement
access
the
project
has
it's
a
junction
place,
which
is
the
least
busy
road
that
we
front,
and
the
thought
is,
is
that
these
two
other
writing
right
outs
help
provide
some
relief
to
the
traffic
signal
at
Junction
and
Pearl.
N
So
if
someone
wants
to
is
coming
from
the
West
rather
than
having
to
come
in
at
Junction
at
the
traffic
signal,
they
can
turn
left
on
30th
and
go
into
the
writing
right
out.
So
the
idea
was
to
have
limited
access
on
the
two
busy
roads,
30th
and
Pearl,
and
have
full
movement
access
on
junction
place,
which
is
kind
of
the
lesser
of
the
three
roads,
so
that
was
kind
of
the
intent
is
to
have
some
other
access,
but
have
it
be
limited
so
that
it's
just
right
turns
because
don't
have
as
much
delay?
M
H
H
M
A
couple
things
the
way
the
traffic
model
works
is
that
every
time
the
light
changes
at
this
intersection,
then
there
would
be
a
break
to
allow
people
to
turn
right
out
of
this
and
head
north.
But
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
parking
ramp
didn't
work
on
the
west
side
of
the
property,
because,
just
as
you're
saying
is
that
cue
backs
up.
It
won't
be
fifty
cars,
but
it
might
be
six
that
would
block
a
traffic
ram.
So
that's
a
problem.
So
that's
why
that
was
moved
over
well.
This
is
up.
M
So
this
is
the
end
of
that
multi-use
path
that
was
half
constructed.
We
have
to
construct
the
right-hand
side,
you're,
actually
taking
a
right-hand
turn
on
the
Pearl
Street.
So
you
have
to
wait.
You
have
a
as
given
to
the
right
turn
lane,
so
you
have
to
wait
until
the
right
turn
lane
is
empty
before
you
can
take
a
right
turn
and
you
can
only
take
a
right,
immediate
right
onto
the
north.
So.
H
But
this
this
pathway
is
like
I'm
gonna,
make
an
assumption
here
that
that
pathway
is
likely
to
be
used
by
last.
Cyclists
worries
me
that
cyclists
and
cars
are
gonna,
be
sharing.
I,
mean
I,
appreciate
the
problem
you
guys
are
trying
to
solve,
but
I'm
concerned
that
cyclists
are
going
to
be
sharing
a
an
on-road
road
with
cars.
H
M
It's
a
reasonable
question,
so
that
road
is
not
part
of
this
project
and
it
was
designed
really
as
a
pilot
to
see
how
this
works
and
the
idea
behind
it
is
that
it's
a
shared
street
so
that
cars,
if
they're,
really
trying
to
get
some
work,
they're
going
to
go
north
on
street
B.
This
is
for
slow
traffic
deliveries.
Pickups
you
would
see
over
through
here.
You
would
see
people
traveling
at
very
slow
rates
of
speed.
M
It
is
intended
honestly
to
slow
down
bikes
as
well
as
cars
nobody's
supposed
to
be
using
this
as
a
thoroughfare,
you
stay
on
a
bike
path.
You
stay
on
Pearl
Street.
If
you
go
on
to
the
street,
it's
slow,
there
is
a
functioning
version
of
it
on
the
south
side
of
the
street
right
now,
I
would
ask
staff.
Have
you
heard
any
complaints
on
the
south
side
to
this
point?.
M
E
I'd
like
to
move
on
from
this,
you
know
I
think
that
the
street
topologies
are
already
described
in
the
TV.
We're
not
changing
them
here,
and
the
purpose
is
there
in
the
purpose
of
the
TV
app
to
create
the
grid
and
we're
not
supposed
to
be
turning
it
back
into
super
blocks.
It's
really
we're
not
talking
about
criteria
that
we're
supposed
to
be
applying
here.
So
if
we
can
move
the
discussion
on,
please.
B
O
Good
evening,
Edward
Stafford
review
manager
for
Public
Works,
so
they're
required
to
comply
with
the
adopted
street
cross
section
from
Teva
on
30th,
which
they
are
doing.
It
does
not
bring
in
buffered
bike
lanes
or
anything
of
that
nature,
because
that's
not
part
of
an
adopted
transportation
plan
at
this
point,
and
so
we're
only
able
to
require
four
of
them
within
our
adopted
plans,
both
through
TV
app
and
the
form
based
code.
M
As
part
of
the
funding
requirements
for
chafa,
we
have
to
look
at
certain
environmental
impacts
of
the
project.
Most
of
them
have
to
do
with
noise.
Honestly,
I,
don't
know
that
there's
air
quality
requirements
because
air
quality
requirements
tend
to
be
dispersed,
so
in
other
words,
we
have
70
mile
an
hour
winds,
pretty
consistently
in
30
or
20.
So
if
there's
an
air
quality
problem
at
the
foothills,
it
becomes
an
air
quality
problem.
Here,
pretty
quick,
there's
an
air
quality
problem.
Here
it
tends
to
move
east
pretty
quickly.
M
E
M
M
They've
discovered
what
works
for
them
and
what
doesn't
I
mean?
It
goes
down
to
things
like
like
to
use
it
works,
it
doesn't
break,
they
can
get
parts
for
it,
so
they
have
found
that
increased
community
and
maintenance
and
the
vitality
of
the
units
work
really
well
with
shared
spaces.
So
that's
the
focus
less
on
the
individual
balconies.
M
They
don't
get
used
as
much
as
they
could.
The
community
spaces
get
used
a
lot.
So
all
of
these
spaces
have
all
these
buildings
have
community
spaces,
both
2a
and
2b.
We
have
the
opportunity
to
do
roof
decks,
so
we
are
there's
publics
that
are
accessible
to
anybody
in
the
building
that
can
go
up
there
on
the
third
floor
and
look
out
to
the
west
so
that
we
thought
that
was
pretty
cool.
M
2A
on
the
first
floor,
provides
an
interior
courtyard,
that's
accessible
to
2a
and
2b,
it's
accessible
to
all
their
residents
really
to
anybody,
but
it's
intended
to
be
used
by
this
group.
So
if
you're
in
2b
or
2a,
you
can
go
on
to
either
of
the
upper
roof
decks,
you
can
go
into
this
area
and
those
are
all
public
amenity
spaces
that
have
and
I
don't
think
we've
defined
what
those
features
are,
but
they
will
have
community
features
because
that's
what
PHP
does
building
for
us.
M
We
have
an
outdoor
balcony,
that's
shared
with
the
community
on
the
corner
on
the
second
floor,
and
then
we
have
this
interior
balcony.
Here
there
is
an
opportunity
for
roof
decks,
because
the
form-based
code
won't
allow
us
to
go
above
a
certain
height.
So
we
can't
even
do
like
a
head
house
to
get
out.
We
would
have
to
have
an
elevator
and
we
can't
do
that.
So.
M
E
M
Is
this
is
current
and
I
apologize
for
the
colors?
You
know
we
go
through
the
process
and
at
the
end
we
send
it
out
to
a
renderer
to
actually
try
to
get
the
right
materials,
but
we
bring
the
materials
here,
because
the
best
representation
of
the
material
is
the
actual
material.
So
you
have
the
colors.
E
H
M
Okay,
so
the
idea
is
in
the
northwest
corner
steps
back.
There
is
a
PS
go
easement,
and
that
requires
a
step
back,
but
the
reason
that
easement
moves
that
way
is
because
that
that
Goose
Creek
bike
path
comes
up.
That's
not
going
to
be
changed.
The
north
north,
this
property,
south
wall,
the
goose
bike
path,
isn't
contemplated
to
be
changed
either,
and
then
let
me
see
if
I
have
a
rendering
that
shows
this.
M
The
access
point
out
of
Goose
Creek
up
to
the
bridge
up
to
the
depot
is
also
unchanged
in
Phase
two
we
will
have
a
park
design.
It
won't
change
that
location,
but
it
will
flush
out
around
it.
So
we
should
review
it
together,
then,
and
make
sure
it's
all
looking
all
right,
but
yeah
the
access
to
Goose
Creek
is
unchanged.
Okay,.
H
And
the
only
the
only
other
thing
I'd
like
to
just
talk
about
or
put
on
the
table,
given
that
there's
a
lot
of
two
and
three-bedroom
Apartments
I'm,
assuming
that
a
lot
of
the
clients
are
going
to
be
families
and
I'd
love
to
see
at
some
point.
Perhaps
in
the
second
phase,
some
sort
of
playground
area.
M
H
E
Other
questions:
nope.
Okay,
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
Thank
you.
So,
at
this
point
Cindy
how
many
people
we
have
four
people
signed
up
for
the
public
comment
section
of
this
matter
and
if
anybody
else
who
hasn't
signed
up
yet
wants
to
speak
to
this
topic,
then
you
can
go
up
and
sign
in
with
Cindy,
okay,
so
I'm
gonna
start
with
Greg
harms
and
come
up
and
state
your
name
for
the
record.
Q
Good
evening
planning
board
Greg
harms
from
the
Bullard
shelter
for
the
homeless,
I'm
here
to
support
the
30
parole
project.
As
was
stated
a
little
earlier,
there
is
a
set
aside
for
formerly
chronically
homeless
people
in
this
project.
I'm
10
units
set
aside
for
what
we
call
permanent
supportive
housing.
The
shelter
is
interested
because
we
would
most
likely
be
the
entity
supporting
those
10
units
with
our
case
management.
Support
from
is
supportive.
Housing
is
a
evidence-based
approach
in
addressing
homelessness.
Q
It
may
seem
obvious,
but
we
finally
figured
out
that
the
answer
to
homelessness
is
housing
and
putting
people
in
housing
is
the
way
to
get
them
off
the
streets.
It's
had
a
lot
of
local
and
national
support.
I
just
happen
to
have
a
report
here
from
the
municipal
court
of
Boulder
I.
Think
a
total
of
51
people
that
have
been
on
the
high
utilizer
list
from
the
boulder
Municipal
Court
that
we
have
housed
over
the
last
10
years
in
the
psh
program
in
partnership
with
bhp.
Q
R
Hello,
I'm,
Leah,
Brenner,
clack
and
I
am
with
and
art
space
and
I'm
an
advocate
and
implement
implementer
of
public
art
in
Boulder
and
I'm.
The
public
art
consultant
on
this
project.
I
was
first
connected
with
bhp
in
2016.
When
they
contacted
me
about
commissioning
a
mural
for
their
Kalmia
project
that
was
getting
redeveloped.
R
They
wish
to
do
a
mural
in
the
community
center
and
the
youth
community
center,
and
we
worked
with
a
denver
artist
who
was
a
graffiti
artist,
a
Latino
gentleman
who
does
a
lot
of
community
outreach
in
his
own
community
in
Globe
Ville.
That
was
a
really
successful
project.
He
connected
to
it.
The
kids
there
and
the
reason
I
bring
this
up
is
because
it's
the
same
commitment
to
that
community
reflection
through
the
Arts
that
Boulder
housing
project
is
taking
in
this
project
for
all
30.
R
So
one
of
the
bolder
housing
partners
mission
points
is
to
inspire
vibrant
communities
and
one
very
effective
way
to
do
that
is
through
art
and
creativity
for
30.
Pearl
bhp
is
committed
to
invest
in
multiple
installations
of
public
art
within
the
design
of
the
community
as
a
reflection
of
inclusivity
and
a
commitment
to
the
cultural
by
vibrancy
of
the
community.
The
value
of
investing
in
the
Arts
has
been
proven
not
only
to
enhance
vitality
in
communities
but
to
stimulate
creative
culture
and
economy.
R
Bhp
is
electing
to
invest
in
public
art,
which
I
think
is
notable
and
and
they're
doing
so,
to
build
a
diverse
and
inclusive
community.
In
that
way
to
Commission
this
artwork,
we
used
an
equitable
approach.
Launching
a
national
call
for
artists
on
the
website
call
for
entry,
calm,
that's
a
free
website
for
artists.
It
was
a
free
call
for
entry.
We
receive
it
over
50
proposals
from
artists
across
the
con,
including
local.
R
The
proposals
were
reviewed
and
scored
by
a
volunteer
selection
panel
that
was
put
together
and
that
panel
included
a
young
community
member
from
it
ramble
on
a
city,
public
art
administrator.
A
local
artist,
an
arts,
nonprofit
director,
a
local
architect
and
representative
from
Boulder
housing
partners,
the
rubric
that
we
use
to
evaluate
each
proposal
looked
at
areas
of
artistic
excellence,
context,
diversity
and
implementation
capacity
of
the
artist.
So
four
artists
were
ultimately
chosen
for
the
project
and
like
Bill
and
Laura
mentioned
there
in
the
preliminary
phases.
Now
the
four
installations
are
each
going
to
be.
R
Site-Specific
and
they'll
engage
people
from
different
access
points
throughout
this
community.
The
art
will
contribute
to
the
placemaking
aspect
of
30
pearl.
It
will
amplify
boulders,
creative
identity
as
a
whole,
and
we
were
committed
to
choosing
a
diverse
selection
of
artists
throughout
the
process.
One
of
the
artists
chosen
for
the
phase.
A
R
Just
wrap
up
so
one
artist
is
local,
boulder
artist.
The
other
three
have
spent
significant
time
in
in
Boulder
last
night,
the
boulder
Arts
Commission
offered
their
support
and
recommendation
of
this
project,
and
we
hope
that
by
implementing
public
art
in
this
way
that
it's
a
model
for
future
developers
and
private
entities
to
implement
and
integrate
public
art
into
their
projects.
Thank
you.
I
also
have
handouts
if
anyone's
interested
in
seeing
that,
if.
E
S
S
So
it's
it's
just
for
for
our
population
if,
if
they
can't
get
to
those,
it
just
increases
the
stress
that
increases
their
lack
of
connection
to
the
community.
It
feels
like
we're
not
seeing
sometimes
just
because
we
struggle
so
hard
to
get.
Our
basic
needs
met
so
having
locations
like
this
just
really
benefit
all
of
our
residents
across
the
board.
There's
a
huge
demand.
Obviously
we
all
know
for
affordable
housing
in
Boulder.
S
Bhp
works
tirelessly
to
tirelessly
to
find
projects
that
we
can
either
develop
or
capture
and
retain
for
future
affordability,
and
so
this
is
just
120
more
units
that
we
would
be
able
to
provide
not
only
to
our
residents
but
also
to
boulders,
affordable
housing,
a
number
that
we're
aiming
for
and
we're
really
really
aiming
for.
So
not
only
does
this
project
helps
our
regular
audience
of
residents,
our
families
are
disabled
and
our
elderly,
but
also
like,
we
said
we're
holding
spots
for
people
in
our
community
that
really
benefit
from
housing.
S
S
They
really
have
nowhere
to
go
so
this
is
something
that
we're
really
trying
to
find
those
individuals
that
benefit
greatly
from
us,
so
not
only
our
regular
population
but
really
trying
to
to
help
those
really
in
need
and
as
the
board
as
a
board
chair
I
can
tell
you
that
our
board
is
100%
behind
bhp
and
the
staff
and
just
the
relationships
that
they
are
building
with
the
city
and
their
patients
and
this
project,
and
so
we
have
they
have
our
full
support
as
a
board.
Thank.
P
P
Could
not
back
777
Dellwood
Avenue
speaking
on
behalf
of
community
cycles,
we
as
always
focused
exclusively
on
the
transportation
aspects
of
these
projects,
and
we're
very
supportive
of
this,
to
the
extent
that
it
implements
connections
that
evap
connections
plan
and
helps
to
break
up
the
super
block
there.
So
that
part
is
wonderful.
We
do
have
a
few
points
that
we
want
to
raise
and
I
send
letter
about
this.
P
This
is
so
requires
a
jog
one
way
or
another,
whether
you're
coming
off
the
passe
or
you're
coming
off
road
a,
and
that
is
just
not
the
way
we
would
design
a
motor
vehicle
facility.
So
we
feel
that
is
not
the
way
it
should
be
and
whether
how
that
should
be
fixed,
we're
not
sure,
but
we
definitely
feel
that
it
should
be
fixed.
P
The
plan
indicated
25
mile
per
hour,
design
speed
for
roads
a
and
B,
and
we
thought
that
that's
excessive
for
an
area
that
should
be
very
calm,
very
pedestrian
focused,
and
so
we
feel
that
the
design
should
should
increase
the
amount
of
traffic
calming
basically
by
reducing
the
corner.
Radii
they're
shown
as
20
20
foot
curb
radius,
which
translates
to
about
a
25
foot
flow
line
radius,
which
is
just
too
large
for
for
comm
traffic.
P
P
P
There's
question
the
TV
app
connections
plan
shows
a
bridge
over
those
creeks
and
it's
not
clear
what
facility
is
is
provided
for,
making
sure
that
that
happens.
So
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
is
possible
and
then
the
last
two
points
are
kind
of
wish
list.
We
understand
the
TV
app
connections
plan
is
what
it
is,
but
it
originally
was
written
in
2007
and
I.
P
Think
updated
in
2010,
and
thinking
has
changed
a
lot
since
then
about
how
to
design
transportation
facilities
and
for
one
thing,
the
connections
plan
shows
no
crossing
at
parole
at
the
at
the
intersection
with
Road
B,
which
we
feel
is
just
an
oversight.
We
feel
that
there
should
be
a
connection
there.
You
know,
leave
off
the
rest.
Okay,.
P
E
Anybody
anybody
else
any
No.
Okay,
does
anybody
else
want
to
make
a
public
comment
before
we
close
the
public
comment,
okay
and
seeing
no
additional
public
comment,
I'm
going
to
close
that
portion
of
the
hearing
and
we'll
go
on
to
deliberation
and
before
we
do
that,
you
know
Brian
recused
himself,
but
is
there
anybody
who
has
any
disclosures
to
make
I
mean
some
some
relationship
beyond
just
reading
what
everybody
else
has
had
and
what's
in
the
public
packet
and
visit
anybody
I
can.
C
J
I
try
to
follow
the
checklist
that
they
gave
us.
Thank
you
very
much.
It
helps
a
lot
to
kind
of
check
specifics
so
based
on
what
I
read,
and
certainly
what
I
heard
today
that
the
proposal
is
consistent
with
their
regulations
on
the
form
based
code,
with
very
few
exceptions.
We
just
I
think
outstanding,
especially
every
time
that
you
have
hundreds
of
anything
chances
are
just
mere
probability.
Something's
not
gonna
work
out,
so
I
was
very
impressed
and
but
now
a
surprise
also
that
there
were
some.
You
know,
inconsistencies
at
some
point.
C
C
C
K
So
it's
a
fair
point
and
I
think
we
understand
the
criticism,
we're
always
open
to
input.
We
view
this
is
we
can
add
doors
and
manage
that
on
our
end
with
this
population,
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
ways
to
do
that,
so
that
that's
the
direction
the
Planning
Board
would
like
to
give.
We
can
make
that
change.
K
E
I
actually
would
I
would
not
want
a
condition
that
requires
them
to
put
doors
in
because
of
the
target
population.
They're
talking
about
a
population
with
special
needs.
I
also
think
that
the
the
building
meets
the
massing
requirements
and
length
requirements
for
unbroken
facade,
which
are
meant
to
keep
unbroken
facades
from
being
too
long
within
the
forum
based
code
area
and
with
120
units
of
new
housing
retail.
On
the
first
floor
in
a
neighborhood,
that's
building
out
I,
don't
think
that
that
length
of
building
without
door
penetrations
would
necessarily
become
a
dead
space.
E
You
know
that's
the
design
that
that
the
actual
user
thinks
is
the
best
for
that
special
needs.
Group
and
I
don't
know
if
having
swinging
doors
when
an
individual
tenant
occasionally
comes
out
or
goes
in,
is
going
to
live
in
the
street
any
more
than
you
know
enough
to
really
merit
that
kind
of
a
design
change.
So
I
wouldn't
vote
for
that.
I.
J
D
E
J
I
actually
was
thinking
that
we're
listening
to
this
I'm
wondering
what
the
potential
residents
will
think
about
will
be
something
that
will
make
it
more
appealing
to
them.
So
maybe
it
is
an
opportunity
not
just
to
keep
it
with
the
professionals,
but
actually
with
the
people
who
live
there
to
get
some
feedback
from
them.
I
mean
at
one
point.
We
were
wondering:
how
do
we
make
something?
Livelier
and
I
was
thinking,
I
wonder
what
teenagers
would
want
their
if
they
wanted
to
hang
out
there.
J
E
J
I
think
it
will
be
nice
to
see
if
residents
of
the
ones
that
we're
expecting
their
like
disabled
people
would
think
will
enhance
that
particular
area.
Maybe
the
doors
will
be
something
that
will
be
useful,
maybe
something
else
unfortunately,
unfortunately,
I
do
not
have
this
abilities
and
I
haven't.
Had
anybody
close
in
my
family
that
deployed,
but
I
will
suspect
that
I
am
oblivious
to
some
of
their
needs.
J
C
I
can
suggest
I'm
I,
don't
think
we
should
make
it
a
condition,
but
I
think
it
would
be
great
if
the
applicant
would
consider
it
seriously
and
it
may
be
a
real
asset
to
the
inhabitants
there
to
make
it
easier
for
them
to
get
into
the
depot
square
and
and
actually
engage
with
other
folks,
rather
than
having
to
go
out
through
the
main
entrance
and
all
the
way
around
the
building
to
to
get
to
the
depot
square.
Yeah.
K
Appreciate
this
feedback
as
well
and
I
think
that
if
we
could
avoid
a
condition
that
was
specific
so
long
as
we
could
in
a
way
that
keeps
the
process
moving
forward.
Of
course,
with
the
timelines,
we
need
to
meet
gather
input
from
potential
residents
and
make
decisions
based
on
that
we'd
absolutely
do
that.
That's
in
line
with
our
objective
and
mission,
so
yeah
I
have.
K
E
So,
in
the
interest
of
time,
we're
talking
about
key
issue
number
one
which
really
some
of
the
the
compliance
with
form
based
code
and
land
use
code
come
down
to
whether
we
believe
that
the
exceptions
and
the
criteria
for
granting
them
have
been
properly
met
in
key
issue
number
two.
So
just
generally
in
terms
of
general
site
design,
standards,
building
type
standards,
building
design
standards,
does
anybody
disagree
with
Lupita's
assessment
and
the
ensuing
discussion,
or
shall
we
move
on
to
key
issue
number
two
I.
B
We
did
hear
one
recommendation
that
perhaps
the
lower
speed
limit
might
be
looked
at
and
like
of
20
miles
per
hour
instead
of
25
I.
Don't
know
if
anyone's
talked
about
that,
but
that
sounds
kind
of
reasonable
to
me
so
because,
if
they're,
very
short
streets,
so
I
just
thought
I
would
throw
that
out.
There
see
if
anybody
thought
I
think
you
know
for
just
a
little
story.
Streets
like
this
20
seems
very
nice,
so.
K
O
So
I
think
there's
two
different
issues
here.
One
is
what
is
the
design
speed
which
is
actually
provided
for
in
the
design
and
construction
standards
and
the
process
we're
in
tonight?
It
doesn't
really
provide
for
modification
to
that.
The
second
is
the
actual
setting
of
the
speed
limit
on
the
street
and
I
do
believe.
The
code
actually
grants
that
authority
to
the
city
traffic
engineer
so
I,
don't
believe
you
could
do
that
as
a
condition
of
the
approval
of
this
item
before
you
tonight.
Thank
you.
E
I
E
Everyone
is
okay
with
it,
so
Planning
Board
finds
that
the
the
first
exception
for
surface
treatment
can
be
met.
The
second
one
on
our
handy
decision
matrix.
Thank
you.
Charles
is
the
maximum
site
impervious
coverage
for
the
forum
base
coat
at
65
percent.
The
applicants
proposing
76%
impervious
coverage.
Is
there
anyone
who
feels
that
the
exception
criteria
are
not
met?
I
just.
H
G
So
it's
a
it's
a
target
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
that's
not
super
clear
and
all
this
is
that
they
actually
are
providing
additional
semi,
pervious
area
and
I
think
both
bill
and
I
expressed
how
there's
eighteen
inch
of
soil
coverage
above
the
parking
structure
that
can't
unfortunately,
count
towards
pervious
surface.
So
in
many
ways
they're
actually
yeah,
if
they're
actually
exceeding
it.
But
it's
it
doesn't
technically
count
as
permeable
all
the
way
to
the
ground
water
so
to
speak.
G
I,
don't
I
think
what
staffs
indicated
is
that
with
those
extra
landscape
provisions
that
it
our
feeling
was,
it
meets
the
exception
criteria.
The
other
piece
of
information
that
I'll
add
is
in
talking
through
this
aspect
with
one
of
our
other
staff
members
Carl
Guyler,
who
essentially
worked
to
create
the
form
based
code
and
facilitated
that
process.
He
did
say
that
the
intent
actually
was
to
take
it
to
75%
impervious,
but
the
65%
was
essentially
a
typo.
That
was
a
leftover
and
it
kept
going
through
the
code
and
he.
T
G
J
I
guess
in
terms
of
information
regarding,
you
know
how
we
had
our
you
know
hundred
years
over
five
hundred
year,
floods
not
too
long
ago,
I'm
wondering
if
that
will
have
any
impact
on.
You
know
like
drainage
that
was
18
inches.
Was
that
part
of
the
design
when
they
looked
into
that,
potentially
that
being
another
I
thought.
O
Generally,
in
terms
of
the
impacts
of
this
change
in
this
one,
is
it
not
going
to
be
significant,
aiding
flood
related,
you're
right
in
a
larger
scale?
Certainly
the
more
paved
area,
the
more
impervious,
of
course,
the
more
runoff
that
we
end
up
with
in
terms
of
what's
been
mapped
in
what
is
a
master
plan
for
the
drainage
in
this
area?
O
E
Any
other
comments,
on
exception
number
two,
okay,
so
fair-
to
say
that
through
negative
polling,
Planning
Board
believes
that
exception.
Number
two
has
met
the
criteria:
okay,
so
exception.
Number
three
of
eight
has
to
do
with
the
build
to
line
the
forum
based
code
requires
a
building
forward
design
with
a
build
five
five
to
ten
feet
from
right
away,
and
here
we
have
more
than
that
due
to
a
fiasco,
easement
applicants
asking
for
an
exception
to
the
build
two
line.
E
H
E
E
U
E
E
U
E
C
J
E
U
E
So,
besides
John's
admonition
to
the
applicant
to
consider
live,
adding
the
east
side
of
4b,
as
we
discussed
during
staff
questions
and
deliberation,
does
anyone
have
the
opinion
that
we
cannot
find
that
the
exceptions
to
transparency
and
storefront
use
on
building
4b
are
not
met?
Did
I
say
that
right?
It's
talking
for
a
long
time,
yeah?
E
Okay,
so
let
it
be
shown
that
Planning
Board
found
that
storefront
transparency
and
storefront
use
exceptions
meet
the
criteria
for
building
four
B's
each
side
and
then
finally,
there's
a
exception
being
asked
for
the
articulation
of
the
base
of
building
4b,
which
isn't
recessed
more
than
18
inches.
From
the
second
floor,
as
required,
Steph
finds
that
that
exception
has
been
has
met.
The
criteria
does
Planning
Board
agree.
I
E
C
E
E
E
I'm
gonna
make
a
comment.
It
kind
of
follows
in
with
with
what
Elaine
was
talking
about
with
code
cleanup
and
then,
if
you
want
to
talk
to
the
motion,
that's
that's
great
good.
So
when
we
were
in
when
we
were
approving
the
form
based
code
back
in
2016,
maybe
2016,
you
know
I
remember
going
on
the
record
saying
that
if
something
inflammatory
something
a
little
little
exciting
like
if
Boulder
wants
to
Boulder
won't
know
that
it
could
be
the
site
of
the
next.
E
You
know
Guggenheim
Bilbao,
unless
we
make
room
for
that
to
happen
and
and
I
had
urged
the
staff
to
write
form
based
codes
such
that
it
was
clear
to
applicants
that
exceptions
could
be
granted
for
good
cause
and
and
to
open
the
door
to
really
good
design.
And
what
I'm
disappointed
by
in
in
reviewing
the
form
based
code
is
that
the
criteria,
the
two
criteria
for
granting
exceptions,
really
read
almost
exactly
like
criteria
for
variances.
You
know
you
have
to
show
that
you
didn't
create
the
hardship,
that's
what
that
is
variance.
E
101
every
Board
of
Zoning
adjustment
in
the
United
States
applies
that
criterion
and
I.
Don't
think
personally
that
that
you
know
at
least
I
wanted
the
form
based
code
to
require
applicants
to
have
to
show
that
level
of
impossibility
in
order
to
get
an
exception
and
I
think
staff
struggled
mightily,
trying
to
get
around
that
piece
of
the
code
and,
in
fact,
kind
of
admits
that
they
didn't
in
the
in
the
recommendation.
E
It
says
that
staff
has
found
the
proposal
proposal
consistent
with
the
form
based
code,
an
exception
criteria,
but
it
talks
about
how,
in
the
conclusion,
most
of
the
exceptions
are
addressed.
Most
of
the
exceptions
are
necessary
due
to
existing
conditions
or
programming
aspects.
So
you
know
the
build.
Two
exception
is
a
typical
kind
of
exception
that
you
would
grant
as
a
variance
it's
due
to
existing
conditions
that
are
not
created
by
the
applicant,
but
the
impervious
surface.
Maximum
is
an
exception.
E
Think
that
puts
us
in
a
position
that
legally
dubious
now
I
happen
to
think
this
is
a
great
project
and
I'm
willing
to
say
that
it's
an
arguable,
point
and
I'm
going
to
vote
for
the
project
and
I'm
a
vote
for
all
the
exceptions.
But
I
would
implore
staff
to
when
you
do
the
code
cleanup
think
about
how
hard
it
was
to
shoehorn
this
thing
into
the
exceptions
and
whether
it
really
serves
the
purpose
of
our
form
base
code.
When
you
do
that.
T
U
The
change
is
actually
in
the
last
condition,
condition
for
the
garage.
The
proposed
garage
on
on
the
northern
lot
would
encroach
into
easements
that
are
required
for
the
Paseo
and
multi-use
path
and
the
way
that's
handled
in
the
codis
permits
have
to
be
granted
to
the
city
for
that
to
be
constructed.
That
way,
and
we
had
initially
recommended
that
those
approvals
for
the
revocable
permits
be
obtained
prior
to
building
permit
application.
U
U
Plans,
as
the
proposed
exception
would
be
consistent
with
the
t
vapp
goal
to
develop
a
higher
percentage
of
affordable
housing
on
this
side
and
would
not
create
adverse
impacts
on
residents
of
the
development
or
surrounding
properties
compared
to
those
that
would
normally
be
expected
by
meeting
the
firmest
code
standards.
Okay,.
B
I'd
be
happy
to
make
a
motion.
All
right.
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
form
based
code
review
application
number
L.
You
are
2018:
zero,
zero,
zero,
six
for
adopting
the
staff
memorandum
with
attachments
as
findings
of
fact
and
subject
to
the
conditions
of
approval
recommended
in
the
staff
memorandum
revised,
as
proposed
by
staff
at
tonight's
hearing
and
I,
would
add
the
additional
storefront
condition
language
that
hella
just
met
off.
We
can.
E
C
I'd
like
to
just
just
say
that
I
will
be
voting
in
favor
of
this,
but
I
have
some
comments
from
our
experience
with
this
project
and
forum
based
code
in
general,
and
this
might
be
the
right
time
to
make
them.
I
was
on
planning
board
when
the
form
based
code
was
developed.
I
have
to
say
that
I
was
not
very
enthusiastic
about
it
then,
and
I
continue
not
to
be
very
enthusiastic
about
the
process.
I
I
think
we
have
made
a
decision
to
follow
form
based
code
in
this
project
and
therefore
I'm
in
good
faith.
C
When
similar
proposals
come
up,
I
will
be
more
explicit
about
that,
but
I
just
like
to
go
on
record
as
saying
that
it
seems
to
me
that
Planning
Board
should
be
explicitly
discussing
issues
which
are
relevant
here,
such
as,
for
example,
density
and
building
design
in
a
in
a
detailed
way
which
which
we
do
not
do
when
we're
following
a
form-based
code
procedure.
So
that's
my
thoughts
any.
T
E
E
B
T
A
T
A
We're
good
with
that,
so
the
next
agenda
item
is
5b.
It's
public
hearing
to
consider
recommendation
the
City
Council
to
dr.
Norton's
name,
to
amend
section
11;
five,
five
discharges
to
the
storm
water
utility
system
and
section
eleven:
five:
six
master
drainage
plan,
land
development,
discharges
into
storm
water
system,
etc;
and
so
we're
start
off
with
a
presentation
from
staff.
O
However,
you
want
to
take,
hopefully
not
a
threat
good
evening,
Edward
Stafford
again
with
the
public
works
development
review
tonight.
We're
gonna
have
a
hopefully
very
brief
presentation
about
updates
to
the
design
and
construction
standards
and
to
the
boulder
Revised
Code,
as
it
relates
to
our
utilities
and
stormwater
program.
O
The
purpose
of
this
is
to
look
at
the
changes
to
both
the
DCs
and
design
and
construction
standards
in
the
code,
as
it
relates
to
the
Boulder
Valley,
comprehensive
plan
policies
and
goals
and
looking
at
it
within
the
lens
of
planning,
boards,
purview
and
public
improvements,
and
we
are
asking
the
board
to
make
a
recommendation
to
City
Council
regarding
these
proposed
changes.
Tonight.
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
we
are
talking
just
about
utilities
in
storm
water
right
now.
O
What
is
the
dcs?
We
love
our
acronyms,
so
it's
full
of
them,
including
the
name
of
it
itself.
It
prescribes
our
minimum
standards
that
are
used
in
the
design
and
construction
of
public
infrastructure,
that's
located
in
the
public
right-of-way
and
in
easements
in
the
city
of
Boulder,
and
in
addition,
private
transportation
and
utility
improvements
that
connect
to
or
may
impact
the
public
infrastructure.
O
O
In
addition
to
that,
we're
bringing
forward
changes
to
the
Boulder
Revised
Code
in
Section
11-5.
This
is
the
section
that
provides
the
regulations
for
the
city's
stormwater
and
flood
management
utility.
It's
important
to
point
out
what
is
stormwater
and
what
is
it
not
in
this
context?
Stormwater
is
really
the
rain
that
falls
in
the
sky
and
it's
something
on
the
ground
or
built
on
the
ground
and
runs
off
into
the
major
drainage
waste
system.
O
The
project,
purpose
and
goal
for
this
update
was
several
things.
The
first
and
the
most
important
for
us
right
now
was
to
bring
us
into
compliance
with
a
permit
that
the
city
holds
from
the
state
called
the
municipal,
separate
storm,
sewer
system
or
ms4
again,
another
great
acronym,
and
there
are
requirements
from
that
which
we'll
go
into
slightly
more
detail
in
the
presentation
that
we
need
to
have
in
place
by
July
1st
of
this
year.
O
Talking
a
little
bit
more
about
the
MS
4
to
give
some
context,
the
MS
4
them
in
a
separate
storm
sewer
system
regulations
actually
start
at
the
congressional
or
federal
level
through
the
Clean,
Water
Act
and
that
prescribes
standards
that
have
to
be
met
and
then
delegates
those
standards
and
requirements
to
the
state
level.
So,
on
the
state
of
Colorado
there
they
have
to
implement
the
requirements
and
of
the
Clean
Water
Act.
O
The
state
then
gets
to
delegate
that
through
the
ability
to
require
a
permit
for
discharges
from
our
storm
sewer
system
into
the
drainage
ways,
and
so
that's
where
the
city
becomes
involved
in
where
we
hold
the
permit
issued
by
the
state
to
allow
those
discharges
in
accordance
with
the
Clean
Water
Act.
The
permit
has
a
rolling
timeline
to
complete
certain
items.
It
is
typically
updated
over
a
five
year
time
frame,
so
we
continue
to
have
a
whole
different
permits.
O
O
The
permit
has
changed
over
time
and
has
become
more
prescriptive,
especially
as
technology
has
changed,
as
our
understanding
and
approach
to
stormwater
has
changed
has
been
an
editor
of
process,
so
it
started
back
those
many
years
ago
was
more
goal
based
and
not
so
much
information
or
prescriptive
direction
and
is
becoming
each
cycle
considerably
more
prescriptive.
Hence
why
you
see
the
fairly
significant
change
in
the
number
of
pages
in
the
dcs
related
to
stormwater.
O
Again
that
permit
itself
is
what
allows
us
to
actually
discharge
the
stormwater
to
the
drainage
waste
system,
a
vital,
important
role
for
the
community.
If
we
did
not
have
that
ability,
I'm,
not
sure
we
would
exist
here,
various
measures
and
control
measures
I
have
to
be
implemented.
As
we
talked
about
that
July
first
time,
the
city
has
to
show
that
it
has
the
ability
to
do
these
through
its
design,
regulations
and
standards
and
enforcement
standards.
O
O
What
are
some
of
those
required
changes
that
have
precipitated
this
need.
We
need
to
have
an
expanded
enforcement
capability
that
really
gives
us
a
larger
toolbox
to
ensure
and
to
demonstrate
to
the
state
that
we
are
actually
able
to
enforce
these
standards
in
a
variety
of
areas,
everything
from
illicit
discharge,
which
means
somebody
has
likely
placed
port
or
otherwise
deposited
something
in
the
system
that
enters
into
our
drainage
system
and,
ultimately,
in
the
drainage
way.
That's
not
supposed
to
be
there
that
we
have
the
right
standards
for
the
post-construction
stormwater
control
measures.
O
O
We
have
conducted
some
community
engagement
on
this,
although
somewhat
limited,
given
the
limited
discretion
here.
The
water
resource
advisory
board
has
heard
this
item
and
have
made
a
recommendation
for
City
Council
to
adopt
these
I
know.
Member
Gerstel
was
at
those
meetings
here
actually
and
then
heard
their
discussion.
We
also
had
a
stakeholder
meeting
or
we
invited
the
design
engineer
and
landscape
contractor
Landscape
Architect
community,
who
are
the
ones
most
impacted
by
this,
and
the
design
work
to
hear
about
the
changes
and
provide
us
any
feedback.
O
They
had
some
excellent
questions
pointed
out
a
couple
of
things
we
needed
to
confirm
in
there
and
we're
generally
positive
to
the
changes
we
made.
We
did
give
an
opportunity
for
additional
feedback
to
be
submitted
after
the
meeting
and
we
did
not
receive
anything
additional
from
that
stakeholders
group.
O
The
proposed
changes
in
the
dcs
are
to
a
number
of
chapters.
As
you
see
listed
up
here,
I'm
not
going
to
read
all
of
those
chapters.
We
will
go
through
some
of
the
changes
that
have
occurred
in
each
in
your
packet.
You
had
a
red
line
strike
through
version
of
each
of
those
chapters
and
each
of
the
changes.
If
you'd
like
the
three-hour
session
of
this,
we
could
step
through
every
one
of
those
but
I'm
not
proposing
to
do
that
tonight.
O
Chapter
one
is
the
general
requirements
chapter.
There
are
modifications
in
here
to
ensure
that
we
have
consistency
with
the
changes
in
the
other
chapter,
a
nomenclature,
change
which
includes
converting
the
word
storm
water
from
two
words
to
one
word,
which
is
actually
the
current
industry
standard
that
in
and
of
itself,
is
actually
a
fairly
significant
change
when
you
start
going
through
both
the
DCs
and
the
Volta
Revised
Code.
We
also
are
updating
requirements
for
the
review
of
plans
to
more
current
versions
and
technology,
believe
it
or
not.
O
The
dcs
right
now
still
states
that
construction
plans
and
other
documents
need
to
be
submitted
on
mylar,
which
is
not
a
current
industry
practice
or
standard.
Some
of
you
are
chuckling
of
theory
or
understanding
that
that
is
an
incredible
expense
for
which
there's
not
value.
Today
there
was
in
the
past,
but
now
that
we
have
done
computerized
and
pretty
much
scanned.
All
of
this
information
there's
no
longer
requirements
that
we
need
chapter
4
is
a
general
utilities
design
chapter.
There
were
a
couple
of
items
that
have
been
updated
in
there.
That
will
highlight.
O
We
like
to
respect
both
sides
of
that
there's,
also
clear
additional
clarification
in
here
on
tree
separation
requirements
between
the
utilities
and
trees
that
may
be
in
the
easements
to
ensure
that
we
can
actually
access
the
utilities
in
those
easements
without
having
to
remove
trees
in
the
future.
That
is
a
problem
we
casually
run
into
today.
It
is
certainly
concerning
to
the
community
in
an
area
where
we
take
down
a
tree
in
concerning
to
us
in
terms
of
the
delays
that
was
it
my
presents
to
getting
in
and
maintaining
that
infrastructure.
O
We've
also
added
new
requirements
in
here
about
what
needs
to
be
done
when
a
service
line.
So
that's
the
connection
from
the
line
in
the
street
to
the
structure
or
what
might
have
been
a
structure
when
those
are
abandoned
and
how
those
should
be
so
that
it's
easier
to
realize
if
you
did
across
one
of
those
in
the
future,
what's
actually
been
abandoned
in
that.
O
Chapter
6
covers
the
wastewater
system,
so
that's
the
sanitary
arrived
the
waste
that
goes
down
the
drain
system.
Some
minor
modifications
in
here
one
of
them
is
a
reduction
of
the
maximum
manhole
spacing
that
has
come
to
our
attention,
as
we
have
seen
challenges
in
some
of
the
maintenance
activities,
jetting
out
lines,
doing
other
rehab
repair
and
so
having
a
little
bit
tighter
spacing
meets
the
industry
standard.
O
Most
of
those
changes
are
related
to
ensuring
our
compliance
with
the
ms4
permit
and
included
changes
to
conceptual
preliminary
and
final
drainage
reports
and
stormwater
management
plans,
additional
details
on
what
needs
to
be
in
those
term
owner
management
plans
and
the
and
permit
requirements
of
such
a
new
section,
which
we'll
talk
about
in
a
little
more
detail
here
in
a
moment
of
how?
How
and
what
select
we
should
be
selected
for,
what's
now
called
post-construction,
stormwater
quality
measures
and
their
requirements.
That
is
a
change
in
terminology.
Some
of
you
probably
heard
best
management
practice.
O
Bmp
that's
been
replaced
with
storm
water
control
measures
in
the
industry
and
then
additional
information
we've
always
encouraged
to
the
best
extent
possible
low-impact
development
techniques
and
there's
additional
language
in
here
really
clarifying
that
low-impact
development
is
talking
about
doing
things
that
help
to
limit
what
stormwater
runs
off
of
a
property.
The
best
example
I
can
give
is
not
directly
tying
your
roof
drains
into
the
storm
sewer
system,
but
somehow
discharging
those
into
a
landscape
or
pervious
area,
letting
them
travel
through
there.
There
are
other
things
also
in
little
impact
development.
O
So
there
significant
change
in
the
stormwater
control
measures
for
post
construction,
water
quality
and
the
current.
We
don't
provide
a
lot
of
guidance
other
than
you
need
to
do
such
and
the
design
engineers
have
to
figure
out
what
we
mean
by
that
times.
I've
described
it
as
they
do
a
design
and
pass
it
across
the
table,
and
we
say
yeah
that
looks
good
or
no,
that's
not
quite
there.
O
We're
changing
that
tremendously
here
to
actually
have
a
much
more
prescriptive
design
scenario
that
will
ensure
we're
getting
what
the
community
desires
here
in
what
we
need
for
the
ms4
permit.
So
becomes
this
four-step
process
with
the
first
step
being
the
desired
and
as
they
step
through
that,
if
they
can't
meet
it,
they
can
look
at
the
second.
If
they
can
meet
the
second,
they
can
look
at
the
third,
then,
ultimately
the
fourth.
O
So
the
first
is,
what's
called
a
full
infantry
of
infiltration
standard,
which
is
really
about
allowing
as
much
of
that
stormwater
as
possible
to
soak
into
the
ground
and
ultimately
entered
into
the
groundwater
system
and,
what's
above
and
beyond,
that,
would
then
flow
off
and
that's
the
best
stormwater
control
measure
you
can
have
and
definitely
the
preferred.
So
it
starts
at
the
top.
O
There
are
certainly
many
circumstances
where
that's
just
not
gonna
be
possible
in
Boulder
that
can
be
impacted
by
how
high
groundwater
tables-
and
so,
if
you
just
don't,
have
the
room
or
the
capacity
for
it
to
infiltrate
in
that's
a
challenge.
Soil
types
at
times
that
are
not
great
for
infiltration
may
not
work.
Some
of
our
desires
for
development
may
not
allow
this.
It
would
be
difficult
to
do
this
in
downtown
where
we
are
building
to
the
property
lines
and
have
certain
standards
we
want
to
achieve
from
a
community
standpoint
on
that
design.
O
If
that's
the
case,
you
move
into
two,
which
is
a
partial,
still
some
infiltration,
but
the
ability
to
also
connect
and
move
that
storm
water
quicker
into
the
storm
sewer
into
the
storm
control
system.
That's
not
possible
for
some
of
the
reasons
I
already
talked
about.
They
can
move
into
item
three.
O
That
is
where
you
really
have
no
infiltration
into
the
ground
system,
but
it's
still
above
ground
improvements
that
are
treating
that
water
and
putting
it
into
the
storm
control
system
and
the
last
one
if
none
of
those
top
three
can
be
done
is
what's
called
the
alternative
design
approach.
Those
are
things
like
underground
cartridge,
filter
systems,
mechanical
type
processes
and
systems
that
at
least
treat
the
stormwater
to
meet
some
level
of
water
quality.
That's
the
least
desired
option
to
be
selected,
if
all
spelled
out
in
the
standards
there.
O
Other
changes
in
Chapter
seven
included
its
modifications
and
removal
of
certain
redundant
sections,
referencing
facts,
urban
drainage
and
flood
control,
districts,
criteria,
manuals
and
removing
some
of
the
stuff
from
ours
which
is
more
outdated.
At
this
point,
urban
drainage
has
full-time
staff
who
are
keeping
up
with
the
industry
with
design
practice
with
engineering
practice,
and
so
we
want
to
utilize
to
the
best
of
our
abilities,
the
standards
that
they
regularly
publish.
So
we've
removed
some
this
stuff
that
was
in
ours
and
excu
refer
people
back
to
those
manuals.
O
It's
also
true
of
the
actual
design
details
of
those
stormwater
control
measures,
and
they
do
extensive
research
and
continue
to
add
to
the
library
there.
It's
also
clarification
in
here
about
when
inlets
are
required,
believe
it
or
not.
We
do
have
situations
where
people
come
in
with
designs
and
we
have
ponding
water
in
places
it
shouldn't.
So
this
is
to
ensure
we
don't
have
that
problem,
also,
some
additional
clarification
about
how
you
can
or
cannot
discharge
to
roadside
ditches
and
how
those
discharge
into
the
storm
sewer
system
to
protect
from
debris.
O
Finally,
there's
also
a
clarification
about
how
streets
are
used
to
convey
stormwater
drainage.
They
do
multiple
functions.
Stormwater
is
one
we
want
to
ensure
that
there's
also
clarity
as
to
what
is
required
to
maintain
the
transportation
and
really
emergency
access
in
events
that
they're
also
used
for
drainage
and
so
that
the
goals
of
both
can
be
met.
So
in
other
words,
we
don't
want
so
much
water
being
conveyed
down
the
street
that
emergency
services
can't
access
through
that
area
and
making
sure
that
that's
very
clear
in
these
design
standards.
O
Chapter
nine
is
the
utility
standards.
This
is
material
specifications
as
it
relates
to
utility
system,
adding
additional
information,
pipe
types,
betting
requirements,
lots
of
great
fun,
technical
details
there.
It
adds
additional
information
about
the
testing,
that's
required
for
the
system
and
then
finally,
we've
added
a
new
section
on
here
about
the
materials
that
we
use
for
trenchless
pipe
repair
which
is
being
used
by
the
city
much
more
frequently
than
it
used
to
be.
O
It's
actually
fairly
newer
technology
for
the
use
and
allows
the
repair,
or
especially,
of
storms
or
pipes,
without
digging
them
up,
and,
as
you
can
imagine,
there's
quite
a
few
benefits
there
when
you're
able
to
there's
just
access
from
the
manholes
that
are
hopefully
appropriately
spaced
and
do
those
repair.
Some
of
those
repairs
are
actually
literally
replacing
the
pipe
within
the
pipe.
O
We've
had
a
duplicate
of
permit
requirement
that
hasn't
added
value,
so
this
is
changing
that
provides
additional
enforcement
options.
Some
of
you
are
probably
aware.
Most
of
our
code
is
a
criminal
code,
sometimes
using
those
enforcement
mechanisms
where
these
items
are
isn't
always
the
best
or
the
easiest.
So
we've
added
additional
remedies,
including
administrative
penalties
and
enforcement's,
and
finally,
we
will
be
making
some
updates
to
inspection,
permit
fees
for
the
stormwater
facilities
and
erosion
permits
so
that
we
can
resources.
O
Where
we
are
in
front
of
you
tonight,
we
are
scheduled
for
a
first
reading
on
May
7th,
the
City
Council,
the
second
reading
on
May
21st,
making
these
changes
effective,
June
20th,
which
beats
the
July
1st
date.
That
keeps
us
in
compliance,
and
we
certainly
hope
we
stay
on
that
schedule
and
manage
to
do
that.
C
There
are
a
few
issues
that
I
think
I
mentioned
in
the
rap
meeting,
but
maybe
it's
interesting
to
talk
about
them
here.
One
is
how
this
addresses
the
question
of
sump
pump.
Discharges
nominally
I
think
that
they're
not
supposed
to
go
into
the
sanitary
sewer
system
or
the
storm
drain
system,
but
was
unclear
to
me
how
how
this
deals
with
that
question.
Sure.
O
So
there
are
no
changes
proposed
through
here.
Sump
pump
discharges
are
generally
prohibited
from
the
wastewater
of
the
sanitary
system.
Through
existing
loader
revised
code
standards,
they
can
be
discharged
to
the
storm
sewer
system,
depending
on
the
type
of
discharge,
so
for
single
family
permits
their
homes
they're
exempt
from
having
to
have
a
permit
to
discharge
to
the
storm
system.
Other
discharges
do
that
to
be
prevented
by
both
the
state
and
the
city
to
ensure
that
the
right
things
are
happening
in
the
discharges
that
are
occurring
in
there,
but
it
is
possible
I'm,
you're
right.
O
The
code
does
also
have
a
prohibition
to
directly
discharging
some
pumps
into
the
right
away
or
into
alleys.
It
is
a
very
difficult
one
to
enforce
and
I'm,
not
one
that
we
have
found
a
great
answer
to
there.
Our
first
preference
is
really
to
see
those
discharges
either
along
the
ground
and
able
to
infiltrate.
If
you
have
a
situation
where
you
can
do
that
or
into
the
storm
sewer
system,
so
that
they're
in
a
conveyance
that
can
move
that
water
away.
So.
O
O
C
There's
very
little
language
in
here
dealing
with
the
general
groundwater
issues
and
wetlands
issues
in
general,
in
terms
of
impacts
of,
for
example,
construction
on
raising
or
lowering
groundwater
levels
in
in
the
vicinity
of
the
of
the
construction
activity
is.
Is
that
as
it
should
be?
Or
do
you
see
that
it
would
be
appropriate
to
to
deal
with
that
more
explicitly
so.
O
The
one
area
of
code
that
deals
with
that
at
all-
and
it's
not
necessarily
directly
right
at
the
groundwater,
is
going
to
be
the
the
stream
wetland
and
water
body
protection
section
of
title
9
beyond
that.
But
we,
as
I
said
he
doesn't
actually
have
a
utility
for
managing
round
water.
We
don't
have
regulations
related
to
the
design
of
systems
for
groundwater
there.
That
would
be
a
policy
shift,
and
in
this
update
we
were
really
trying
not
to
do
policy
change
but
to
just
make
updates
mm-hmm.
T
A
J
Going
back
to
it,
how
do
we
deal
when
we
have
something
like
the
hundred
or
five
hundred
year?
Floods?
Do
we
have
some
sort
of
emergency
process?
That
happens?
You
know
in
an
event
and
for
example,
last
time
we
had
those
floods
was
that
something
that
was
in
place
or
did
we
learn
something
through
that
experience
that
was
implemented
or
brought
into
you
know
our
regulations
or
ordinance,
even
if
the
state
itself
did
not
because
for
us
it
was
a
very
localized
situation,
so.
O
The
ms4
permit
really
not
related
so
much
to
the
significant
100-year
type
of
events
and
in
fact
there
are
recognitions
that
storm
water
quality
measures
almost
go
out
the
window
and
those
types
of
events
in
terms
of
what
happens
and
the
discharges
that
occur
with
that
or
the
ms4
and
the
stormwater
system
requirements
really
related
to
the
more
common
normal
storms.
Regular
storms
regulations
is.
O
T
B
O
Requirement
still
to
do
those
types
of
drainage
reports
hasn't
changed.
There
was
the
need
to
change
terminology
and
make
sure
we
were
not
being
duplicated
in
different
spots.
So
we
have
not
relaxed
the
requirements.
In
fact,
we've
probably
enhanced
some
of
them
terms
of
the
material
has
to
be
provided.
So
that
is
really
just
cleanup
that
was
occurring
there.
Okay,.
B
J
A
E
So
you
know
our
purview
here
is
because
their
code
change
is
involved
and
we're
the
planning
board,
and
we
need
to
make
a
recommendation
to
City
Council
around
proposed
code
changes,
but
I
think
that
so
much
of
this
has
very
you
know
specific
to
really
understand
that
you
have
to
have
really
specific
engineering
knowledge.
You
know.
E
Maybe
there
are
people
on
Planning
Board
who
have
a
bit
of
experience
and
ditches
and
laterals
or
in
construction
standards
or
easements,
but
most
of
this
is
is
pretty
technical,
so
I
want
to
reserve
my
comments
for
something
that
I
think
is
more
of
a
planning
board.
Ii
kind
of
comment:
that's
I,
think
I'll
tie
it
into
you
know
the
language
in
your
staff
report
to
the
point
where
I
think
I
can
make
the
statements
that
I'm
gonna
make
that
they're
related.
E
And
you
talked
about
our
desire
to
keep
stormwater
from
entering
the
wastewater
treatment
system
in
the
2013
flood.
Our
sewer
treatment
plant,
which
is
supposed
to
run
it
averaging
10
million
gallons
a
day,
pegged
the
meter
at
50
kept
going
and
and
the
meter
blew
out
at
70
thousand
or
something
70
million
gallons
one
day
and
this
storm
treatment
plant,
the
stormwater,
the
sewage
treatment
plant
was
overrun
by
storm
water
and
when
we
talked
about
a
20
million
dollar
upgrade
to
the
sewage
treatment
plant.
E
I
was
really
perplexed
during
that
meeting
as
to
how
a
storm
that
put
a
lot
of
surface
water
on
the
ground
managed
to
overrun
a
storm,
a
sewage
treatment
plant
which
is
connected
to
nothing
but
sanitary
sewers
in
a
city.
That's
too
new
to
really
have
combined
sewers
like
old
cities
and
I
was
told
that
we
have
this
problem.
Where
you
know
all
these
old
clay
pipes
that
serve
as
laterals.
E
The
cracks
of
these
pipes
and
polluting
our
groundwater
and
and
then
it
reverses
direction
when
the
hydrostatic
pressure
increases
in
that
situation,
and
so
I
think
that
we
can,
we
can
tie-
maybe
not
for
your
purposes
of
getting
this
permit
approved
by
you
know
and
in
by
January,
by
July
1st.
But
I
want
to
put
this
on
the
radar
again
that
you
know
if
we're
willing
to
spend
twenty
million
dollars
on
upgrading
a
sewage
treatment
plant
that
would
pay
for
a
lot
of
organic
granular.
E
You've
got
all
the
machines
out
there,
you
can
do
it
all
in
one
day
and
I.
Just
think
that
you
know
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it
improves
our
ground
water
quality.
We've
got
this,
it's
it's
not
a
ticking
time
bomb.
It's
just
this
constant
leak,
that's
happening,
and
then
under
certain
circumstances
it
becomes
a
gushing
opposite
of
a
leak
and
and
I
think
this
is,
you
know,
there's
an
opportunity
to
do
something
that
I've
seen
these
types
of
community
lead.
E
A
C
I
intend
to
support
this
I
think
you
know
it's
timely
and
well
done.
I.
Think
it's
incomplete,
though,
without
explicit
consideration
of
these
groundwater
issues
that
I
I
mentioned
earlier
and
I
understand
that
that's
not
explicitly
required
by
the
ms4
permit,
but
I
think
it
is
of
significant
concern
to
the
city.
J
If
I
may
just
continue
your
comment,
because
I
am
one
of
those
neighborhoods
where
we
do
meet
in
the
summers
regularly
with
my
neighbors,
and
we
talk
about
things
like
this
and
and
when
you
were
speaking
before
you
got
to
that
comment.
I
was
thinking.
This
would
be
an
awesome
way
to
promote
community.
So
if
it's
a
some
sort
of
initiative
coming
from
the
planning
port
said,
go
you
mentioned
that
you
know
you're,
just
getting
people
together,
we'll
bring
the
price
down.
J
J
We
have
a
number
of
people
in,
like
I
said
if
it
was
something
that
can
be
promoted
and
then
let
people
know
because
once
you
get
this
ball
rolling-
and
this
is
something
that
the
city
is
promoting
and
one
of
my
hopes
in
coming
to
the
board
is
contribute
in
some
ways
to
increase
community
within
the
city
and
I
really
love
that,
because
there
are
many
different
ways.
You
can
do
that,
and
this
is
definitely
one
way.
Thank
you.
A
B
I'll
just
add
a
Kudo
to
that.
I
was
one
of
the
$10,000
people,
and
people
on
my
block
are
doing
it
one
by
one.
It's
Park,
East,
neighborhood,
very
similar
to
Martin
acres,
so
yeah
I
think
that
would
be
that's
a
really.
A
lot
of
people
feel
that
it
would
they
feel
this
sense
of.
Wouldn't
it
be
nice
if
there
was
some
sort
of
program
like
that
I
think,
because
it
is
a
big
expense
and
we
know
that
everybody
in
the
neighborhood
is
gonna
have
to
do
it
eventually.
A
Great
any
other
comments,
I
was
gonna,
say:
I
love,
seeing
the
low
impact
development
stuff
get
highlighted
and
further
as
a
part
of
this,
that's
a
real,
meaningful
change.
So
thanks
for
that,
and
thanks
for
all
the
work
staff
today
engaged
about
ten
thousand
hours,
if
we're
compared
to
this
fourteen
minutes,
we've
done
here
so.
J
O
W
Is
we
discovered
that
a
lot
of
folks
in
the
city,
their
basements
flooded
or
their
homes
flooded,
and
it
wasn't
from
a
creek
or
a
river?
It
was
for
more
rainwater
and
it's
because
we
got
so
much
rain
in
such
a
short
amount
of
time.
The
water
table
came
up
so
fast,
but
as
we
started
to
then
talk
to
him
and
ask
him
questions,
we
realized
the
grading
at
their
house,
wasn't
appropriate.
It
was
headed
towards
the
house,
so
water
in
their
yard,
was
flowing
up
to
their
house
and
into
their
basements
or
their
gutters.
W
Weren't
connected
in
the
right
place
or
their
sump
pump
was
connected
to
the
sanitary
sewer
or
their
sump
pump,
shot
straight
out.
The
wall
straight
back
down
the
wall
back
into
the
and
we
started
holding
these
community
workshops
to
just
educate
people
about
basic
homeowner
maintenance,
and
it
was
like,
like
people
loved
it,
it
was
super
fun.
We
did
three
of
them
and
then
we
realized
hey.
W
That
evaluated
like
what
were
some
of
the
benefits.
What
were
some
of
the
costs?
What
were
what
are
things
that
maybe
communities
could
explore
in
the
future
of
running
a
program
like
this?
So
it's
it's
a
really
interesting
thing
and
to
think
about,
especially
in
times
where
systems
get
really
surged
like
in
times
of
heavy
rainfall
or
in
disaster.
W
O
Thing
I
would
point
out:
is
it's
not
just
those
laterals,
that's
some
of
the
challenge
with
our
older
mains
and
that's,
hence
the
trenchless
technology.
You
see
quite
a
bit
of
work
happening
in
that
I'm,
trying
to
recall
and
I.
Don't
remember
the
figures
of
how
many
miles
we've
worked
on
since
2013
I.
Don't
know
if
Peter
has
that
in
his
head.
V
V
After
that,
the
goal
was
set
to
rehabilitate
all
of
that
city-owned
clay
pipe
in
a
20-year
cycle,
which
is
one
of
the
more
aggressive
programs
in
the
entire
United
States
I'd,
probably
say
just
in
terms
of
percentage
per
year,
so
we're
kind
of
on
the
forefront
of
that
and
ya
bout
14
miles
per
year
on
the
city
on
side.
Going
back
to
that,
I
wanted
to
add
on
the
pilot
project.
V
We
also
did
from
our
end
pilot
project
that
looked
at
the
connection
point
of
the
laterals
to
the
main,
because
technically
the
city
ownership
hands
essentially
were
the
hole
in
the
pipe
is,
and
even
the
saddle
connecting
to
it
is
owned
by
the
homeowner.
We
did
a
pilot
program
and
Frazier
Meadows
on
to
a
two
block
stretch
to
do
a
rehabilitation
of
that
connection.
Point
and
the
first
three
feet
up.
It
was
really
well
received
pretty
much.
Everybody
that
we
approached
decided
to
participate.
It
was
completely
city
funded
at
the
time.
V
What
we
came
up
with
was
that
the
technology
wasn't
quite
there
yet
where
there
was
issues
in
the
installation
where
it
was
supposed
to
be
trans,
but
we
actually
dug
up
two
homes,
two
yards
and
two
homes,
and
that
didn't
really
help
the
public
perception
of
the
project.
So
it's
very
much
an
evolving
technology
market.
That's
why
we
have
some
of
these
updates
in
here
and
we're
waiting
for
some
of
those
newer
technologies
to
catch
up
with
a
truly
sense
of
the
trenchless
word
before
we
can
go
after
it.
V
Another
component
of
that
is
that,
in
addition
to
the
rehabilitation,
we're
doing
really
extensive
condition,
assessment
and
so
the
first
real
full
cycle
of
inspection
of
the
complete
sewer
system,
since
the
flood
was
actually
just
completed
in
November
and
we're
processing
all
that
data
and
have
started
to
identify
those
neighborhoods
that
are
the
worst
impacted
by
those
groundwater
issues,
and
so
that
would
be
then
fed
into
the
next
logical
process
of
how
do
we
address
that?
We
can
address
half
of
it
essentially
by
looking
at
the
city
mains.
V
E
C
A
A
So
we
only
have
I
mean
that
completes
our
public
hearing
items
for
the
night
and
then
we're
gonna
talk
about
sort
of
6b
now,
which
is
the
discussion
of
retreat
tropics,
because
we
moved
6a
to
the
beginning
of
the
agenda
and
so
cindy
has
put
together
or
compiled
the
list
of
things
that
folks
sent
in
as
retreat
topics.
She's
also
taught
to
Curt
Fern
Harbor
and,
as
you
guys
probably
saw
via
email
or
I'm,
not
sure.
A
X
X
A
Say
actually
in
terms
of
our
schedule
and
see
if
everybody
agrees
with
that,
coordinating
staffs
schedule
is
probably
more
important
to
them,
then
to
us
we're
blocked
out
for
the
entire
time,
and
if
Kurt
comes
in
the
beginning
middle
or
end,
it's
fine,
and
you
know,
we've
also
got
Charles
and
hella
and
you
and
whoever
else,
who's
gonna
be
there
as
well.
So
it's
when
I
say
that
I
guess
it
makes
more
sense
to
coordinate
internally
than
anything
else
and
in
terms
of
topics.
You
might
sort
of
angle
on
that.
A
We
know
our
total
amount
of
time.
We
don't
how
much,
how
many
other
things
we
have
on
the
agenda.
So
maybe
we
should
talk
about
that
as
we
kind
of
pushed
through
this
and
Willow
down
our
window
down
our
list.
What
do
you
thing
sounds
good?
Okay,
so
we've
got,
you
know
we'll
need
some
time
to
talk
about
liaison
and
ex-officio
roles,
and
maybe
we
should
just
start
trying
to
put
sometimes
these
as
we
as
we
talk
through
it,
I
mean
sort
of
a
mandatory
one.
E
A
I
think
the
question
of
you
know:
I
guess
the
only
question
I
think
this
may
be
open
for
this
year
is
laster
experimented
with
adding
liaisons
to
tab
and
Rab
and
so
I
think.
Maybe
it's
worth
just
sort
of
checking
out
on
how
that's
going
mmm-hmm,
but
the
other
ones
I
think
it
really
is
a
question
of
like
who
wants
to
do
it
and
then
we
can
have
a
celebrity
deathmatch
over.
A
Maybe
two
through
five
are
all
essentially
one
discussion.
I
think
you
know,
as
we've
all
joined
the
board
over
the
years,
and
you
know
how
to
craft
an
effective
condition
and
how
to
make
a
motion
and
kind
of
going
to
the
core
eager
choreography
that
and
also
talking
through
sort
of
the
thorny
spots
like
what
happens
if
you've
made
a
motion,
you've
got
a
second
somebody
asks
for
a
friendly
amendment.
You
turn
it
down.
It
becomes
a
unfriendly
amendment.
A
It
gets
voted
in
and
then
you're
voting
on
a
motion
that
now
carries
with
an
amendment
that
you
don't
like.
There's
a
lot
of
really
interesting
things
that
can
happen.
Do
that
and
I
think
it's
good
for
us
to
talk
through
how
that
goes,
so
that
you
don't
get
blindsided
by
it
like
we
all
probably
have
at
some
point
and
has
been
really
really
helpful
with
us,
bringing
us
from
the
traps
we
set
for
ourselves
over
the
years,
but
also
helping
us
get
informed
about
how
to
do
this
stuff
in
advance.
E
A
A
J
A
A
J
A
U
U
I
A
Mean
I
sent
that
when
it
I
was
thinking
more
about,
we've
had
discussions
in
the
past
about
making
sure
you
email
questions
to
staff
on
a
agenda
item
it
with
enough
time
for
them
to
respond
just
out
of
courtesy
for
them
with
enough
notice
so
like
we
also
have
had
board
or
his
email
questions
of
staff
at
like
5:30
7,
you
know,
and
so
nobody
on
boards
seen
it
and
staff
hasn't
had
a
chance
to
respond,
and
then
they
get
this
sort
of
like
well.
Have
you
checked
your
email
yeah?
So.
E
He'll,
why
don't
you
you
punt
this
to
Charles,
because
I
think
what
happened
was
two
years
ago
or
three
years
ago
we
we
came
up
with
a
policy
we
did
and
we
agreed
that
if
planning
board
meetings
on
Thursday
we're
gonna
ask
the
kinds
of
questions
that
just
take
up
the
public
time.
Like
staff
interpretation
of
a
code
provision,
you
got
one
board
member
asking
a
question
that
maybe
the
other
six
board
members
already
think
they
know.
E
The
answer
is
shared
with
all
other
planning
board
members
and
I
think
we
had
said
something
like
you
have
to
have
those
questions
in
by
Tuesday
at
noon
or
something
like
that's
my
recollection
and
and
then
we
were
good
about
it
for
it
about
six
months
and
then
we
all
fell
off
all
that
again
yeah,
so
I
remember
Charles
making
that
portion
of
the
presentation.
So
you
shouldn't
burden
yourself
with
that.
You
should
make
Charles
Charles.
E
A
And
I
think
when
a
piece
of
that
was
sort
of
you
when
to
copy
the
rest
of
the
board
and
when
not
to
you
know
if
I've,
okay,
if
I'm
reading
through
a
packet
and
I
mean
just
if
I,
have
a
curiosity
question
that
comes
up
and
I
want
to
find
out
something
about
some
document
or
where
some
report
from
1976
was
I,
might
email
the
staff
person
directly
and
not
copy
the
planning
board.
So
it's
not
really
gonna
enhance
the
conversation.
It's
me
just
status,
find
my
curiosity
a
little
bit
or
like
hey.
A
It
refers
to
something
in
the
packet
I
can't
find.
Can
you
point
me
in
the
right
direction?
Yeah,
that's
not!
Something
has
to
be
spread
to
everybody.
So
just
having
a
little
bit
of
like
sensitive
about
like
I,
think
what
is
useful
to
having
a
bigger
discourse
is
what
I
was
thinking
of
there
and
also
the
sort
of
number
five.
A
H
A
J
T
J
One
of
the
things
that
I
would
really
like
to
work
on.
You
know
in
the
city
of
Boulder.
Is
this
idea
of
really
creating
community,
and
we
have
some
some
comments
from
various
constituents
that
come
about
that
they
are
brother,
segregated
parts
of
our
community
and
I
would
really
like
to
find
ways
in
our
own.
You
know
a
small
area
to
put
for
activities
what
can
build
community
so
that
when
we
have
an
opportunity-
and
he
just
comes
up-
we
just
pounce
on.
T
J
And
make
it
happen,
so
so
are
these
for
this,
for
this
retreat
I
thought
that
even
for
us
do
be
on
the
same
page
with
regard.
So
what
do
we
think
constitutes
our
community?
So,
in
terms
of
you
know,
for
example,
Oh:
do
we
have
in
this
city
that
should
be
part
of
our
community?
Also?
What
kind
of
resources
do
we
have
and
resources?
J
T
E
Tonight,
I'd
like
to
make
a
suggestion
around
moving
agenda
items
around
I.
Think
if
we
started
just
with
one
and
then
maybe
that's
a
half
hour
and
then
we
went
through
two
to
five,
and
that
was
an
hour.
What
are
we
starting,
8:30
12:00
to
4:30?
Oh
it's
the
afternoon,
yeah,
okay,
so
we're
starting
at
12:00
yeah.
So
you
know
if
we
did
12:00
to
12:30
and
then
12:30
to
1:30,
and
then
we
had
Curt
come
and
at
1:30
to
kind
of
T
us
up
and
then
Curt
can
either
stay
or
leave
for
this
discussion.
E
A
A
D
Mean
that's
a
conversation
that
comes
after
that
yeah
in
20
minutes
is
a
long
time
for
someone
to
talk.
I
think
we'll
take
40
minutes
20
to
30
minutes
to
talk
after
it
so
45
that
could
go
into
a
15-minute
break
as
people
then
can
take
a
conversation
and
expand
it
as
needed,
while
other
people
might
need
to
get
a
break
because
you
know
the
conversation
is
not
gonna
end
on
a
dime
mm-hmm.
D
X
D
A
So
12:00
we
get
there,
we
you
can
get
there
early.
If
you
want,
the
doors
will
be
open
and
grab
food,
sit
down,
shoot
the
breeze
and
then
move
into
the
liaison
ex-officio
kind
of
conversation
and
then
move
into
the
how
to
make
well
board
etiquette
or
board
decorum
or
board
process
conversation.
Then
kurtz
discussion
and
presentation.
Then
we
could
take
a
break.
So
I
think
that's
a
good
idea
at
that
point
and
then
move
into
the
discussion
about
community
building
in
Boulder,
there's
just
so
much
cool
stuff.
A
A
A
X
X
A
D
E
A
C
This
may
fit
in
under
number
7
that,
and
that
is
some
follow-up
on
how
things
have
gone
with,
with
projects
that
have
some
unique
character,
some
unique
condition
associated
with
them
and
I'm
thinking
of
two
one
is
the
top
of
the
daily
camera
building.
You
know
the
public
space
up
there
and
the
other
is
the
Vectra
or
the
the
building
on
13th
and
walnut,
with
the
basement
public
space,
and
just
just
to
do
some
follow
up
and
see
how
how
things
have
gone
there,
because
that
was
the
result
of
a
lot
of
the
honks.
J
J
A
Is
everything?
Do
you
have
all
that
stuff?
So
you
can
like
reformat
this
you
got
a
cold
figured.
You
were
way
ahead.
Everybody
so
is
anyone
interested
in
I
mean
we
could
finish
up
with
a
walking
tour
around
neighbor
holiday
and
people
could
opt
in
if
they
went
to
and
we
could
walk
around
beers
and
stuff
like
that
glasses
of
wine.
A
little.
A
D
A
C
H
A
E
E
B
J
J
A
X
Put
this
forward
to
you
guys
our
May,
2nd
meeting
has
been
cancelled.
Yep
just
found
out
today,
our
May
2nd
meeting
has
been
cancelled.
We
had
no
items
may
16th,
we
do
have
three
matters
scheduled.
We
have
no
public
hearing
scheduled
as
of
yet
we
do
have
three
matters
that
are
very
large
and
but-
and
unfortunately
we
are
kicked
out
of
here,
so
it's
off-site
and
it's
gonna
be
in
the
Britton
building.