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The
2
things
that
pb,
lisa
smith:
oh,,
thank
you
for
the
recording
and
the
2
things
that
should
not
be
spoken
to
right
now.
Are
the
new
vista
high
school
proposed
site?
Development.-
that's
for
for
the
to
replace
the
existing
building
at
700,
twentieth,
street,
and
then
our
other
public
hearing.
item:
that
you
should
not
speak
to
right.
Now.
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lisa
smith:,
it's
5405
spine,
road.
sorry.
got
a
kid
on
the
background..
Anything
else.
You're
welcome
to
speak
to
now.,
but
please
do
not
speak
to
spyro
or
new
this
to
at
this
time,,
and
if
you
would
like
to
comment
during
public
participation
now
about
anything
else.,
please
raise
your
hand,
and
we'll
call
on
you,
and
we'd
love
to
hear
from
you.
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Lynn,
segal:
there's
a
name
for
it,
and
I
know
mark
knows
it,
and
he
could
say
it
right
now,,
but
he
can't
talk
during
my
time,.
Even
if
I
offer
him
the
time..
This
is
so
sad,
so
sad,
that
it's
not
iterative,,
because
we're
all
working
together,
here,
and
that's
the
way
we
expand
and
grow
is
by
learning
from
each
other.
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Lynn,
segal:
that
that
situation,
lynn
segal:,
it
would
be
solved
very
easily
with
truly
multi-generate
multi-generational,
cooperative
housing
and
I
don't
mean,
come
standard
communal
co-op,
housing,,
hippie,
type,
housing.
I
mean
serious
housing,,
mainstream
housing
for
people
with
3
bedrooms
with
4
bedrooms,,
with
whatever
size
communal
household.
You
want.
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Lynn
segal:,
but
there's
plenty
of
private
space.
anything
that
you
design
in
boulder
of
new
build
should
be
designed
around
this
kind
of
a
model,
having
plenty
of
storage,
since
there's
going
to
be
different
families,
and
maybe
there's
going
to
be
families
with
singles,,
with
grandparents,
with
all
generations,
to
take
care
of
each
other's,
kids
to
take
care
of
each
other's
parking
and
to
take
care
of
each
other's
driving
needs..
One
person
would
need
to
have.
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Karl
guiler,
cob:,
it's
typical
on
a
development,
particularly
of
this
size,,
that
if
there's
a
number
of
different
lots
that
might
be
in
different
ownership,,
that
an
outlaw
would
be
created
for
the
open
space,
so
that
it
basically
gets
a
homeowners
association
or
common
ownership.
Interest
gets
created
to
to
maintain.
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lisa
smith:
all
right,,
seeing
none.
our
next
potential
call
up
is
a
site
review
amendment
to
amend
the
orchard,
pd
to
expand
the
property
at
1,576
hawthorne
avenue
to
include
adjacent
common
area..
So
I
was
fortunate
to
get
a
little
background
on
this
one
from
staff,,
which
you
probably
also
saw
in
the
packet.
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lisa
smith:
all
right,
and
we're
moving
on,.
I
believe.
now
to
our
public
hearing
items,,
the
first
of
which
is
a
review
and
common.
our
proposed
site
development
plan
for
new
vista
high
school,,
and
this
is
a
bit
of
an
unusual
opportunity
for
us
to
pride
feedback
because
of
bbsd's
status
as
kind
of
a
sovereign
entity,,
and
I'm
sure
staff
will
speak
to
that.
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Shannon
moeller,
cob:
proposing
to
replace
the
existing
school
building
at
700
and
twentieth
street.
I
forgot
to
introduce
myself..
My
name
is
shannon
muller.,
I'm
with
the
planning
department
for
the
city
of
boulder..
I'll
briefly
cover
the
information
in
staff's
memo,,
including
the
purpose
of
this
review,.
The
feedback
received
to
date.
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lisa
smith:
can
only
be
used
in
must
be
used
for
this
usage..
That
is
what
they
must
be
used.
For.
they
are
approved,,
for
it
must
be
used
for
the
snubus
to
site,,
and
that
was
kind
of
how
it
was
structured..
Or
would
those
funds
potentially
be
usable,
elsewhere?
and
I'll,
I'll
ask
what
I'm
talking
about
later
in.
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Shannon
moeller,
cob:
yeah,
yeah,,
that's
my
understanding
that
that
is
an
option
as
well,
or
feel
free
to
jump
in.
If
I'm
misunderstanding
anything.,
I
don't
believe
that
that
was
an
option
that
staff
is
recommending
at
this
time,.
But
it
could
certainly
be
one
that
we
could
talk
about.
and
if
you
wanted
to
pursue
that.
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Kris
stoppenhagen:,
we
have
single
panel,
pain,
windows.,
it's
not
a
very
energy,
efficient
building
being
that
it's
age,
and
with
several
additions
that
have
been
added
to
it.,
we
have
poor
lighting
quality..
We
have
aging
mechanical
systems
that
will
be
costly
to
replace..
If
we
were
to
renovate.
and
we
have
numerous
ada
issues
that
we
need
to
be
addressed.
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Kris
stoppenhagen:
the
building
originally
was
designed
for
a
middle
school,,
so
it's
not
equipped
for
the
program
needs,
and
we
want
it
to
be
future
ready..
We
have
deep
ties
to
the
integration
with
community,
and
we
went
all
under
that..
So
in
the
design
we
do
have
a
space
designated
for
display
to
honor
that
history
and
the
community
ties
that
exist.
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Kris
stoppenhagen:,
the
building
on
the
current
site
checks
really
all
the
boxes,,
and
we
have
a
very
similar
cost
to
the
extensive
renovation
by
putting
a
new
building
in
there
on
the
current
site.
So
really
excel,
and
meeting
the
educational
goals,
health,
safety,
and
sustainability
checks.
The
boxes.
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Kurt
nordback,
pb:
we're
talking
about.
there
there
is.
there
is
motor.,
be
open.
Congestion.,
there's
also,
you
know,
with
chicago
that
that
relationship
or
is
important
to
us
in
the
building
with
with
them,,
and
that
will
be
maintained
that
that
shuttle
will
remain
in
in
use
and
and
have
access
to
that.
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Kurt
nordback,
pb:,
adding
more
kurt
nordback,
pb:
parking
might
be
to
address
it
using
tdm
strategies..
But
I
think
I
got
the
answer
that
I
need
for
now,
and
I
don't
know
what
you
saying,
and
maybe
congestion
is
the
wrong
word.
it's..
It's
really
kind
of
just
the
restrictions
that
the
current
site
has.,
and
so
I
think
that
just
with
the
flow
and
stuff,
and
we
do
have.
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laura
kaplan:.
I
will
have
some
very
nice
and
appreciative
comments
to
make
when
we
get
to
general
discussion..
So
I
just
want
to
start
with
that
and
say,.
I
think
you
guys
are
doing
a
lot
of
things
that
are
really
wonderful
to
work
with
the
community..
Get
input,,
evaluate
your
options
really
appreciate.
That.
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Kris
stoppenhagen:
near
the
auditorium
we're
still
in
the
developmental
phases
what
that
looks
like
a
dumbest
in
the
past,,
though,
where
we
do
wanna
memorialize
the
the
history
throughout
and
have
that
be
interactive
and
display.
As
much
of
that
that
history
and
and
connection
that
this
building
has
had
for.
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Kris
stoppenhagen:
on
what
enrollment
looks,
like.
and
kris
stoppenhagen:
and
there's
there's
pockets
right
where
we
have,
you
know,,
really,
where
we're
producting
more
growth,,
which
is
out
east.,
and
then
we
have
other
areas
that
are
declining,
and
some
of
that
we
feel
it
could
be
attributed
to
some,
you
know,
programming..
So
we
have
other
aspects
of
the
bomb
bond
that
we're
really
trying
to
emphasize.
As
far
as.
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Gardner
clute:
sure?
no,,
it's
not
just
what
we're
able
to
fit
in,
and
it's
it's
not
based,.
I
don't
believe,
on
the
it
standards.
however,.
We
did
take
a
look
at
the
size
of
the
school.,
the
number
of
students,,
this
being
a
high
school.
Only
about
a
quarter
of
those
students
are
going
to
be
even
of
an
age
that
they
can
drive.
and
so.
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lisa
smith:
all
right.,
in
that
case
we're
going
to
move
to
public
participation
for
this
hearing
item
only
if
you
are
an
attendee,
and
would
like
to
speak
to
this
item,,
please
raise
your
hand.
and
then,
vivian,.
I
believe
we'll
be
running
the
public
participation,
and
we'll
have
about
3
min
per
speaker.
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Pb,
lisa
smith:
being
run
like
a
concept.
review,
however,,
with
the
proviso
that
bbsc.
will
not
then
be
coming
back
for
actual
formal
approval..
So
this
is
kind
of
our
chance
to
share
our
feedback
and
thoughts
and
feelings,,
maybe
even
recommendations.,
but
but
the
bsd
is
a
sovereign
entity
who
kinda.
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Planning
for
the
future
of
electrification
for
both
cars
and
bikes,,
energy,
efficiency
and
design..
You
know
I
really
really
appreciate
it.
my
background
is,
I'm,
a
facilitator.,
so
I
really
appreciated
seeing
what
you
did
with
your
working
group
that
had
parents
and
teachers
and
staff
and
students.
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lisa
smith:
as
pb,
lisa,
smith:
things
that
could
and
should
actually
save
you
a
lot
of
money
over
time..
I
don't
think
energy
is
going
to
be
getting
any
cheaper
anytime
soon,
unless
we
get
a
really
weird
breakthrough,
which
we
have
been
trying
to
do
for
a
long,
time.,
so
yeah,,
so
just
kind
of
scoping
that
and
making
sure
you're
looking
at
savings
over
time
for
the
district
and
for
facilities
and
operations,
as
well
as
that
up
for
cost.
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Pb,
lisa
smith:.
I
I
also
don't
love
the
parking
right
on
the
street
front..
I
it
may
be
unavoidable
because
of
the
way
you
need
to
use
the
building,,
but
I
also
know
that
long-range
planning
is
is
looking
at
closing
other
low
schools
and
other
locations.
they're,
not
talking
about
that
yet,.
But
that's
where
we're
going.
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Pb,
lisa
smith:
this
one.,
I'm
not
sure
you'll
need,,
because
ranges
keep
getting
longer,,
but
looking
at
partners
and
options
for
doing
integrated,
ev
charging
on
sites..
You
know
we're
gonna,
see
more
and
more
ev
vehicles,
and
people
may
want
to
charge
at
work,
or
may
only
have
the
option
to
charge
it
work
if
they
live
in
multi-family,
and
don't
have
another
option..
So.
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Pb,
lisa
smith:
since,,
especially
because
there
is
so
much
parking
proposed,,
which
is
quite
a
bit
of
working..
I
would
love
to
see
that
some
of
that,
you
know,
is
is
a
accommodating
pv.
and
then,
finally,.
I
appreciate
the
the
desires.
I
heard
it
to
continue
to
partner
with,
to
talk
on
park,
to
park..
I
think
that's
a
really
nice.
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lisa,
smith:
and-
and
I
think
maybe
this
is
a
little
unclear,
and
or,
as
I'm
interpreting
it,
and
I
think
that's
what
you're
asking
about
for
to
make
a
motion
to
like,
actually
drop
a
letter
or
do
something
similar..
So
kurt
spoke
to
that
second
option
of
b.
and
then
I
think,
laura
had
some
thoughts
to
add,
so,
laura,
go
ahead.
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laura
kaplan:,
which
I
think
we're
clear.,
I
don't
think,
there's
a
lack
of
clarity..
I
also
think
we
didn't
necessarily
have
consensus
on
all
of
the
different
items
that
we
talked
about,
the
way
that
we
would
need
to
if
we
were
putting
conditions
on
a
site
review.,
and
so
I
I'm
just
imagining
the
process
of
trying
to
direct
staff
and
tell
them
what
to
put
in..
That
letter.
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robles:
lisa,
according
to
our
last.,
it's
just
not.
According
to
the
rules
of
the
motion
making,
you
read
the
thing
again,
and
then
it
becomes
owned
by
the
and
then
we
have
our
conversation..
I
I
don't
know
if
we
follow
that.,
that's
enough
question.!
I
I
heard
read
it
into
the
record,,
but
I'm
happy
to
restate
it.
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Pb,
lisa
smith:,
so
yeah,
I'll.
I'll,
read
it
more
formally
to
the
record
again..
So
we
had
a
motion
from
kurt
nord
back
a
motion
to
direct
staff
to
draft
a
letter
to
the
boulder
valley,
school
district
board
of
directors,
to
be
signed
by
the
city
manager,,
incorporating
the
staff
me
to
random
and
recruit,
requesting
proposed
changes.
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lisa
smith:.
We
have
not
yet
stated
exactly
what
we'd
like
it
to
include,,
but
the
next
part
is
including..
This
motion
was
then
seconded
by
mark
mcintyre
and
I'm.,
giving
us
a
limited
amount
of
time.
I'm.
just
due
to
the
hour
to
speak
to
this,
and
then
also
to
think
about
how
we
might
draft
it
if
it
were
to
be
carried.
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Pb,
mark
mcintyre:
mark,,
you
have
the
floor,
first,
and
laurel,
calling
you
second.,
I'm
sorry.,
just
a
point
of
order,
though,
lisa..
I
feel
like
the
motion
is
incomplete,
because
it
says,
requesting
proposed
changes,
and
we
don't
yet
know
what
those
changes
are,.
So
I'm
not
sure
how
we
can
speak
to
the
motion
without
knowing
what
those
changes.
Are.,
that's
a
great
question..
So
I
I
think.
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lisa
smith:
okay.,
pb,,
lisa
smith:,
so
pb,
lisa
smith:
a
motion
originally
made
by
kurt,,
amended
and
seconded
by
mark,
and
then
amended
by
mark,
and
seconded
by
kurt..
We
have
a
motion:
direct
staff
to
draft
a
letter
to
the
boulder
valley,
school
district
board
of
directors,
to
be
signed
by
the
city
manager
and
corporate
and
staff
memorandum
and.
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
I?,
I
will
just
say
briefly,
mark,.
I
like
your
amendment,,
and
it
sounds
like
what
this
would
do
is
basically
take
the
staff
memo
and
the
summary
of
what
we
talked
about
tonight,,
which
would
be
in
the
meeting
notes,
and
we'll
have
the
opportunity
to
edit
or
amend
our
comments
and
make
sure
that
they're
accurately
captured,
and
those
2
things
would
be
compiled..
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Chandler
van
schaack
cob:,
so
this
is
public
hearing
and
consideration
of
a
request
to
rezone
a
1.0,
one
acre
parcel
located
at
5405,
spine
road
and
adjacent
rights
of
way,
currently
zoned
industrial
general
to
business,
community,
2
for
consistency
with
the
boulder
valley,
comprehensive
plan
and
the
gun
barrel.
Community
center
plan.
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I
I
I
I
Chandler
van
schaack
cob:
initiated
in
a
public
process
by
the
city
in
2,002
through
public
participation..
The
plan
established
the
vision
for
redevelopment
in
much
of
the
gundra
of
commercial
and
office
area,
with
the
goal
of
emphasizing
urban
development
patterns
with
a
diverse
mix
of
vibrant
uses.
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I
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I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
Chandler
van
schaack
cob:
is
defined
as
business
areas
containing
retail
centers
serving
a
number
of
neighborhoods,
where
retail
type
stores
predominate.
this
zone
district
is
considered
to
be
consistent
with
the
landing
destination
of
community
business,,
where
the
industrial
general
zone
district
is
not.
I
I
I
Chandler
van
schaack
cob:,
so
the
conclusion
and
recommendation
is
that
staff
finds
the
proposed
rezoning
application
meets
the
rezoning
criteria
of
section
919
e.
and
finds
the
proposed
rezoning
request
to
be
in
compliance
with
the
boulder
valley,
comprehensive
plan
and
the
gun
barrel.
Community
center
plan.
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pb,,
laura
kaplan:.
It
said
in
the
memo
that
the
the
applicant
actually
proposes
to
build
a
private
school
on
this
site,
which
is
consistent
with
the
bc.
to
zoning
nope..
I
have
no
problem
with
that,,
but
I'm
just
curious..
There's
a
brewery
like
I
immediately
across
the
streets
facing
this
property.
Is
that
allowed.
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E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
for
the
bbsd
project..
So
if
I
don't
know,
if
there's
anything
further
on
that,
I
know,
brad,,
you
said
that
staff
are
looking
into
it,
and
that
we'll
hear
more
in
the
future..
But
I
don't
know
if
there's
anything
else,
you
wanted
to
add
tonight,
and
then
I
have
one
other
item
after
that.
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
okay,
thanks..
I
I
appreciate
it.,
it's
just
good
to
know
what
to
expect..
I
certainly
don't
want
to
be
giving
devin
feedback
of
hey?.
You
left
this
out.
if
there's
a
really
good
reason
why
those
shouldn't
be
in
the
notes
in
the
first
place,.
So
it's
good
for
us
all
to
get
on
the
same
page.
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
so
thank
you..
We
look..
I
look
forward
to
hearing
more.
when
staff
have
had
a
chance
to
think
more
about
that..
I
do
think
that
if
the
only
thing
that
legal
staff
thinks
should
be
recorded
in
planning
board
meeting
notes
is
our
response
to
the
key
questions
that
makes
the
key
questions
a
lot
more
important
to
get
to
get
those.
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
so
again,
looking
forward
to
getting
staff
input
on
that,.
I
did
have
one
other
thing
I
wanted
to
raise:
and,
lisa,
I
apologize
for
not
giving
you
a
heads
up
about
this.,
nothing,
big.,
it's
an
information
request..
If
staff
are
able
to
give
us
some
more
information,,
I
find
that
I
have
a
whole.
In
my
knowledge.
E
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
but
I
would
really
love
to
have
more
information
about
what
was
the
ballot
measure
that
was
passed
by
citizens?
and
when
was
it
passed,
and
what
was
sort
of
the
contemporaneous
discussion
around
that?
because
I
feel
like
I
don't
really
understand
the
intent
or
the
motivation..
Some
folks
have
said.
E
E
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
55
feet
should
be
a
very
special
exemption..
It
should
not
be
sort
of
a
default.
that
as
long
as
we
get
our
community
benefit.,
we're
generally
inclined
to
do
it,,
and
I
don't
really
understand,
like
what
was
put
to
the
voters.
and
what
was
the
discussion
at
that
time..
I
think
I
would
really
like
to
understand
that
community
conversation
a
bit
better
if
staff
are
able
to.
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A
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
informal
social
gatherings.,
pb,,
lisa
smith:,
you
know,,
provided
city
budget
and
so
on,
will
allow,
or
even
if,
if
we're
allowed
to
get
together.
As
long
as
we
don't
talk
about
that,
you
know,
planning,
board,
matters.
it'd
be
great
to
see
folks
from
time
to
time..
I
would
love
that.
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E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:.
Sorry
I
just
wanted
to
put
in
a
plug.
if
anybody's
interested.
this
weekend
on
sunday
from
10
to
12
is
a
walk
with
council,
and
I
think
it's
council,
members,
spear
and
weiner
and
folkirts,,
and
the
topic
is
wildfire.
Prevention,
and
they're
gonna
walk
around
the
from
the
shanahan
ridge
trail.
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
where
the
end
car
fire
was,
and
talk
about
like
how
that
was
ecologically
functioning,
and
community
concerns
and
things
like
that..
It
sounds
really
interesting,
and
I
I
might
go
if
I
can
make
time
for
that.,
but
I
thought
that's
also
another
opportunity
for
us
to..
You
know
the
folks
who
want
to
go
to
informally,
chat
and
learn.
Something.,
maybe
so..
If
folks
are
interested
in
that.
A
A
A
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
that's
a
great
one.,
but
there
used
to
be
lots
of
like
walk
and
talks,.
You
know,
like
seeing
sites
of
there
being
developed,
that
it
come
through
planning
board..
I
think
the
city
arborist
used
to
do
cool
walks
and
talk
about
our
trees
that
are
like
listed
for
colorado,
and
so
on.,
and
so
I'm
hesitant
to
add
to.
A
A
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Q
A
Pb,
lisa
smith:
thank
you,
devin,
and
I
believe
that
is
reflected
in
the
planning
board
calendar
as
well
folks,,
so
that
most
recently
devin
sent
out..
You
can
like,
see
where
that
is..
It
may
or
may
not
be
notated
as
such..
But
if
you
kind
of
count
where
we
have
meetings,
and
don't
council
recess
will
show
up
on
there
as
well.
and,
laura,,
you
had
a
comment.
E
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:.
I
realized
that
I
nearly
scuttled
it
by
suggesting
we
don't
need
to
send
a
letter
and
mark..
I
think
that
was
a
very
elegant
solution
of
how
we
could
get
around
the
problem
of
having
to
build
consensus
on
what
goes
in
the
letter..
I'm
just
nice
job
all
around,,
and
and
thank
you
to
my
colleagues
for
insisting
on
correct
procedure.
and
it
worked.
hey?.
It
worked.