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From YouTube: 1-21-21 City of Boulder Planning Board Meeting
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1-21-21 City of Boulder Planning Board Meeting
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gatza,
moderator:,
and
just
as
if
it
would
be
if
we
were
meeting
in
person.
the
time
for
speaking
or
asking
questions,
is
limited
so
either
either
harmon
will
recognize
either
applicants
or
members
of
the
community
during
the
open
comment
or
during
the
public
hearings
to
speak,
and
we
will
unmute
you.
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gatza,
moderator:
harmon,
and
I
are
cindy
if
she's
host
helping
to
host
will
enforce
these
rules
by
muting.
Anyone
who
violates
the
rules,.
So
please
don't,
please
don't
do
that..
We
don't
want
to
have
to
do
that..
I'd
love
to
use
the
chat
function
only
for
technical
issues
or
if
you
can't
raise
your
hand.
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walbert:
and
the
standards
for
changes
to
non
conforming
uses
states
that
in
non
conforming
use
review
is
required,
and
it
must
be
reviewed
for
consistency
with
the
criteria
in
section
nine
to
15..
This
is
a
discretionary
review
with
a
quasi
judicial
hearing
tonight.
the
decision
is
criteria
based.
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Cob
sloane
walbert:,
the
applicant,
has
submitted
a
good
neighbors
statement
of
operations,,
which
would
be
included
with
any
approval,
documentation
and
also
enforceable
by
the
city..
The
documents
intended
to
act
as
a
management
plan
and
to
sort
of
document
expectations
and
how
the
site
is
managed.
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harmon
zuckerman:
and
after
all,
the
board
questions
are
completed,,
then
we'll
go
to
public
comment..
So
are
there
any
planning
board
members
who
would
like
to
ask
a
question
of
staff
and
I
saw
sarah's
hand,
first.
and
david's
and
then
john.
so
we'll
start
with
sarah
and
david
and
jonathan,
peter.
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Cob
sloane
walbert:.
My
understanding
is
that
if
they
wanted
to
continue
to
utilize
the
building,
similar
to
the
marble
house,
they
wouldn't
be
required
to
do
any
landscaper
improvements.
They
wouldn't
be
required
to
upgrade
the
parking,.
They
wouldn't
be
required
to
rehabilitate
the
landmark
scripture.
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Joe
coughlin
applicant:
everything
we've
heard
and
all
of
our
work
and
studied,
and
particularly
around
the
landmark
and
really
reinforces
that
this
is
in
fact
the
right
project
at
the
right
time.
In
the
right
location,
we
are
decreasing
the
intensity
of
us.
We
are
decreasing,
the
rental
license,
account.
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Joe
coughlin
applicant:
so
on
and
touched
on
context..
I
don't
need
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
here,
but
you
will
know
that
we
are
very
close
to
the
campus
close
to
the
commercial
district
and
we
are
in
fact
directly
south
of
the
former
university
presidents
house
there
on
the
corner.
next
slide.
Please.
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Joe
coughlin
applicant:,
essentially,
what
we're
doing
is
removing
some
of
the
things
that
were
added
that
were
non
historic.
The
exterior
steel
fire
stairs.,
the
big
domes
for
the
kitchen
ventilators.,
those
things
are
all
being
removed,,
and
this
has
been
brought
back
to
its
original
historic
character
and.
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john
gerstle:
yeah,,
thanks
for
your
presentation.,
so
with
these
apartments
that
you're
being
proposed
that
are
being
proposed
in
this
project,,
or
is
it
possible
that
at
some
point,
you
could
decide
to
turn
them
all
into
condominiums
and
solve
them
individually.
the
design
that
you're
proposing.
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Esa
architects:,
I
think
what
we're
saying
that
the
if
somebody
comes
in
with
a
family
of
five,,
the
rental
restrictions
we
have
on
the
property
or
three
per
unit
right.
So
they've
got
three
kids
and
a
couple,
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
rent
one
unit
because
we're
going
to
be
over
the
3%
occupancy.
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undergraduate
investment,
no
judgment
at
all.,
but
I
don't
know.,
that's
what
I
was
asking,.
What
is
this
something
common
that
happens,
but
maybe
it'd,
be
good
to
know
if,
in
fact,
there
will
have
their
own
restrictions,,
because
if
the
city
allows
it,
but
there
they
already
have
made.
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Dianna
gonzales-burdin:,
the
staff
memo
did
not
describe
or
summarize
the
tremendous
neighborhood
opposition
to
this
proposal
and
the
fact
we
provided
and
the
direct
experience
of
the
neighbors..
So
husband
and
I
spent
the
better
part
of
a
day
going
through
the
300
pages
of
public
comments
provided
to
the
staff.
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Dianna
gonzales-burdin:
I'd
also
briefly
address
the
applicant,
so
called
good
neighbor
statement
of
operation.
Among
the
problems,
it
wrongly
leaves
enforcement
to
the
neighbors,
often,.
It
would
be
impossible
to
identify
the
offending
apartment
is
think
about
stopping
late
night
comings
and
goings.
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jean
gatza,
moderator:
wrap
up,
please
your
three
minute:
dianna
gonzales-burdin:,
okay,
yeah,.
I
just
want
to
say
dianna
gonzales-burdin:
last
spring,
when
there
were
just
a
handful
of
students
living
in
marca.
I
had
to
twice,
two
times
go
across
the
street
and
ask
them
to
turn
down
their
music,
because
I
couldn't
work
in
peace.
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Brad
o'neil:
this
will
be
a
model
and
a
new
high
watermark
for
the
responsible,
adaptive
reuse
of
the
historic
multifamily
dwellings..
This
project
will
certainly
encourage
others
to
invest
in
the
restoration
of
other
historic
treasures
in
the
region
across
the
state.
lastly,.
I
just
want
to
say
my.
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Douglas
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burdin:
tuesday,
the
19th
at
12:53pm
that
from
people
who
actually
lived
in
the
market
house
recently,
going
back
to
2006.
They
each
said
that
the
maximum
occupancy
was
35
to
36
and
often
much
lower..
Now
the
law
cares
about
actual
people,
not
numbers
on
a
piece
of
paper,
and
you
should
also.
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Kathy
young:
know
that,
really
that
I
think
that
it
what's
important
to
me
as
a
parent
of
two
kids
who
will
soon
be
attending
the
university
is
just
having
not
another
party
house
existing
on
the
hill
and
it's
nice
to
see
something
responsible
and
safe
for
our
kids..
I
can't
think
of
anything
better.
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Stefan
magnusson:
the,
the
developer
and
the
representatives
continue
to
call
these
high
quality
apartments..
When
looking
at
the
plans,.
It
seems
that
you
know
the
bedrooms
will
have
windows,,
but
the
living
space
has
no
windows,.
So
I'm
not
sure
why
that
would
be
considered
a
high
quality
apartment.
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magnusson:
they
stefan
magnusson:,
develop
ourselves
this
as
a
positive
for
the
neighborhood..
When
you
know
it
would
produce
noise
at
all
hours
of
the
night
and
and
the
enforcement
of
that
would
be
lacking..
We
already
have
a
lot
of
problems
with
parties,,
even
a
block
or
two
down
from
us
in
north
of
us.
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Aaron
belzer:,
I
feel
like,
you
know,.
This
is
sort
of
becoming
a
little
bit
about
students
versus
non
students,
and
what
we
should
be
talking
about
is
moving
closer
to
conformity
and
eliminating,.
You
know,
the
sort
of
group
home.
this
is,.
I
would
remind
you,
and
existing
use
in
a
university
town.
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Stephan
van
der
mersch:,
the
return
on
investment
of
this
developer
will
be
financed
by
the
decline
in
home
equity
of
his
neighbors..
It's
not
equitable,,
it's
terrible
for
the
community
fabric
of
our
neighborhood,
and
it's
a
violation
of
code
because
it
clearly
increases
the
degree
of
nonconformity
with
our
neighborhood.
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Steve
kelton:
and
the
speeding
cars
down
12th
street,
and
you
tell
me
that
we're
going
in
the
right
direction.
it's
just
what,
if
you
don't
reject
this
project,,
you
will
be
adversely
affecting
the
neighborhoods
quality
of
life
and
reducing
our
property
values..
It's
a!
I
think
the
economists
call
it.
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Ellen
morris:
and
I,
to
me,
that
is
not
a
good
neighbor.
secondly,,
the
good
neighbor
policy
that
they
have
the
paper,.
I
agree
with
my
other
community
members,.
How
will
this
be
enforced?
We
ourselves
are
constantly
calling
the
police
reporting
to
the
school
students
who
are
not
adhering
to
the
noise
or.
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Joe
coughlin
applicant:
and
that's
all
say
about
the
irony
of
being
accused,
though
by
the
third
attorney
from
the
same
law
firm
in
town,,
because
being
paid
to
be
here
to
represent
a
collection
of
client
isn't
lost
on
me
in
the
process,
though,
I
think
it's
it's
unfortunate.,
I
just
want
to
go.
Back,
real
quickly.
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lupita
d,
montoya:
well,,
I
think
both
john
and
and
sarah,
especially
sarah,
was
less
than
all
these
things..
I
am
my
list.
but
basically,
about
the
same
thing..
My
biggest
concern
is
about
this
increasing
the
nonconformity,
as
opposed
to
decrease
in
it..
It
is
also
you
know
the
situation
with
their
parking.
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david
ensign:
so
well
known
for
so
many
years..
That
doesn't
mean
that
we're
can
magically
make
it
go
back
to
that.,
and
so
I'm
just
concerned
that
the
current
parameters
are
pretty
non
conforming
and
I
don't.
I
don't
see
that
there's
a
huge
step
in
further
non
conformance
with,
what's
being
proposed.
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harmon
zuckerman:
well,.
It
totally
flies
in
the
face
of
the
whole
section
in
the
code
that
says
we're
supposed
to
be
allowed
to
increase
nonconformity
at
the
site.
Review
criteria
are
met.,
so
I'm
saying
I'm
disregarding
f2
in
my
analysis
and
I'm
really
looking
at
the
other
site
review.
Criteria.
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david
ensign:
other
benefits
that
might
happen.,
so
I'm
care.
You
know
when,
when
I
walk
the
neighborhood
that
that
property
is
a
diagonal
through
a
park,
and
maybe
one
more
city
block
away
from
campus.,
it's
really
close
to
where
all
the
students
live,
and
I
don't
I'm
not
ever
comfortable
with
us.
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david
ensign:,
and
I
do
think
that
it
is
quite
a
bit
in
a
transitional
neighbor
that
now
the
other
thing
is
it..
This
is
a
building
that
has
been
here
forever.
and
the
reason
that
you
know
this
down.
Zoning
of
tara,
one
to
me
is
quite
severe
a
quite
a
severe
change.
From,
you
know,
from
from
what.
V
V
V
V
V
P
U
P
U
U
U
B
T
B
S
S
S
S
S
S
S
S
S
S
S
V
S
S
S
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
P
J
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
B
F
F
F
F
F
Pb
lisa
smith:,
maybe
even
some
units
that
are
targeted
towards
families,
you
know,
associated
with
with
faculty
or
staff,
you
know,,
and
those
might
be
ways
to
address
some
of
those
concerns
that
do
crop
up.
I
am,
I
am
by
no
means.
I
was
also
troubled
by
some
of
the
commentary,.
We
got
that
really
was.
F
F
F
F
R
R
R
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
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T
T
B
B
Pb
harmon
zuckerman:
hello.,
hella
pannewig
assistant
city
attorney:,
go
ahead.
yeah,.
I
was
saying
that
one
other
condition
you
could
consider
is
to
reduce
the
number
of
dwelling
units
4060
and
our
proposed,,
but
if
you
felt,
I'm
just
making
it
up
right
now,
if
you
felt
with
14
and
quiet
iris
and
the
condition
of
maximum
three
unrelated.
T
B
B
J
F
F
F
F
F
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
Pb
harmon
zuckerman:
but,,
you
know,
for
us
to
give
the
applicant
the
opportunity
to
say
yes,.
I
want
that,
or
no,.
I
don't
want
that,
deny
me
or
I'm
going
to
withdraw
and
come
back
differently..
I
think
that
that's
paying
a
service
to
the
applicant
and
giving
them
an
opportunity
to
make
the
decision.
S
Pb
peter
vitale:,
I,
I,,
I
agree.
harmon.,
and
I
love
that
expression,
lisa
condition
to
oblivion,,
because
I
was
seeing
the
future
or
or
down
to,
you
know,
the,,
the
number
of
sutras
to
recite.
You
know
before
a
and
then
that's
a
condition
and
just
ticket,
just
go
on,.
We
could
be
here
till
6am,
so.
S
S
B
Pb
harmon
zuckerman:
do
we
have
for
denial,
pb
harmon,
zuckerman:
votes
and,
if
that's
the
case,,
then
somebody
who's
going
to
be
one
of
those
for
automaker
emotion.
If,
if
we
don't
necessarily
up
for
denial
votes
than
I
agree
with
you,,
let's
ask
the
app.
and
if
they're
open
to
conditions.,
so
I
posed
the
question
again,:
do
we
have
for
denial,
votes.
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B
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R
B
R
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V
R
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F
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S
W
W
Pb
lupita
d,
montoya:
students,
singles
couples,
families
and
even
here..
I
know
that
some
faculty
calm
and
live
on
student
housing
because
they
have
a
difficulty
finding
housing
and
it
is
not
unusual
to
find
somebody
living
in
those
conditions
which
you
say,
oh,.
You
know,,
you
should
be
out
of
student
housing.
W
W
W
W
W
W
B
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X
X
X
X
X
X
F
F
F
F
Esa
architects:
intended
for
young
couples.
pb
lisa
smith:,
because
I
think
there's
a
little
confusion
over
what
are
pb
lisa
smith:
protected
classes
are
and
aren't,,
which
is
something
I
spoke
to
earlier..
It
is,,
as
I
understand
it,
and
someone,
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
legal
to
not
rent
to
undergraduates..
So
that's
my
question,,
I
guess..
How
is
whether
I'm,
again,,
if
that's
accurate.,.
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X
X
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T
F
F
F
F
S
S
S
S
S
G
V
V
Pb
david
ensign:
peace
and
quiet
and
and
good
behavior..
So
I
think
that
language
in
bit
that
the
residents
actually
signed
to
agree
to
certain
behaviors..
This
is
fine.
right.
and
that
can
supplement
our
recommendations
on
marketing,,
which
hopefully
have
been
heard,
and
will
will
will
be
useful
to
that..
V
V
B
P
P
R
R
V
Pb
david
ensign:,
the
conditions
will
specify
that.
and
then
so
it
would
be
in,
you
know,
in
the
on
the
record
as
conditions,,
but
then
we
also
say
that
it
goes
into
the
good
neighbor
agreement.
right..
So
I
think
they'd
also
on
site
management
would
potentially
go
into
the
neighbor
agreement
as
well.
right.
B
Pb
harmon
zuckerman:,
you
know,
public
comment,
is
closed
and
we're
basing
all
of
our
deliberations
on
what
we
heard
and
it's
very
typical
for
us
to
apply
conditions
without
reopening
the
hearing
to
new
public
comment..
On
the
other
hand,.
I
think,
if
we're
asking
the
applicant
to
really
jigger
with
the
project.