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From YouTube: City of Boulder Planning Board 6-18-2020
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City of Boulder Planning Board 6-18-2020
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Pause,
the
recording
is
started
good
evening.
Everybody
I'm
jig
at
so
with
the
coverage
of
Planning,
Division
and
I'm
gonna
serve
as
the
technical
host
for
tonight's
meeting,
and
this
is
my
first
go
at
this.
So
I
appreciate
everyone's
patience
with
me
as
I,
adjust
to
this
I'm
learning
and
Cyndi's
of
the
old
hat
at
this.
So
we're
gonna
be
sharing
some
of
these
responsibilities
and
hoping
that
it
all
goes
smoothly.
A
A
Sounds
good,
okay!
Well,
while
you're
doing
that
I'm
just
gonna
say
in
accordance
with
our
meeting
meeting
rules,
we
do
need
folks
to
have
a
full
name
associated
with
each
person
participating
in
the
meeting
and
if
you
plan
to
participate
in
the
open
or
public
comment,
we
can't
unmute
you
without
your
full
name.
So
if
your
full
name
is
not
currently
displays
displayed,
please
change
it
or
you
can
send
it
to
me
in
the
chat
box
and
I'm
happy
to
change
it
for
you.
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C
These
are
the
rules
that
have
been
adopted
by
City,
Council
and
so
we're
pleased
to
have
you
join
us,
and
these
rules
have
been
adopted
to
be
as
transparent
as
possible
and
to
have
some
online
security.
This
meeting
has
been
called
to
conduct
the
business
of
the
city
of
Boulder
and
the
activities
that
disrupt
is
delay
or
otherwise
interfere
at
the
meeting
are,
of
course,
prohibited
time
for
speaking
or
asking
questions.
Questions
might
be
limited
at
this
point
in
time
for
public
hearing
we
are
for
the
members
of
the
public.
C
We
will
ask
when
you
before
you
speak
to
sit
to
say
your
name
and
to
possibly
spell
it
in
case
we
don't
have
your
name
listed,
any
person
believed
to
be
using
the
pseudonym
will
not
be
permitted
to
speak
at
the
meeting.
For
example,
if
someone
comes
on
to
the
meeting
with
a
telephone
number
or
a
name
associated
with
a
device
like
your
iPad
name,
the
hosts
may
be
at
may
ask
you
to
put
your
phone
to
use
your
full
name.
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C
No
video
will
be
permitted,
except
for
city
officials,
employees
and
invited
speakers
or
presenters,
which
in
this
case
would
be
applicants
other
are
all
others
will
participate
by
voice.
Only
the
person
presiding
at
the
meeting
shall
enforce
these
rules
by
muting.
Anyone
who
violates
this
rule
this,
if
the
chat
function
is
enabled,
it
will
be
used
for
individuals
to
communicate
with
the
host,
which
would
be
Jean.
In
this
case,
it
should
be
used
for
technical
online
platform
related
questions
only
which
means,
if
you
have
anything
the
question
related
to
the
item
that
we're
discussing
tonight.
A
A
Okay,
very
good,
all
right
all
right
so
with
that,
so
all
of
our
board
members
have
been
I,
think
I
hope
so.
We've
gotten
this
to
them
to
be
all
co-hosts
and
the
staff
members,
so
that
you
can
mute
and
unmute
yourself
for
for
members
of
the
public
I
just
like
to
make
sure
that
you
all
remain
muted
and
not
have
the
video
enabled
until
it
is
time
for
the
public
comment,
either
the
open
public
comment
or
the
public
hearing
that
we'll
have
associated
with
the
items
on
the
agenda
tonight.
A
Don't
think
we
have
anyone
on
the
phone
at
the
moment,
but
should
we
have
those?
There
are
some
other
instructions
for
that,
so
we
can.
Let
folks
know
if
we
get
some
some
folks
on
the
phone.
I
am
seeing
someone
with
Cu
Edie.
If
I
could
ask
you
to,
please
enter
change
your
name
to
up
to
a
full
name
and
as
Cindy
indicated,
we
we
have
to
have
full
names
for
people
participating.
A
A
A
There
is
the
option
to
raise
hand,
so
you
can
indicate
that
you
would
like
to
participate
by
using
that
raise
hand
function,
that
is
in
the
participants
box,
which
can
be
found
on
the
menu
by
hovering
over
at
the
bottom
of
the
screen,
and
so
we'll
do
those
in
order.
When
we
get
to
that
section
of
the
meeting,
we'll
have
a
three
minute
time
limit
for
the
public
hearing
and
for
the
open
comment
and
I
think
Cindy.
A
G
My
name
is
Hartman's
Aukerman.
This
is
the
June
18th
planning
board
meeting
I'm
gonna
gamble
the
meeting
to
order
at
6:09
p.m.
and
what
add
records
show
that
the
city
of
Boulder
planning
board
meeting
was
called
to
order
at
6:09
with
six
planning
board
members
present
Peter
Batali
absent.
We
have
David
ensign,
Vice,
Chair,
John,
Gerstel,
Sarah,
silver,
Lupita,
Montoya
and
Lisa
Smith
in
attendance.
First
order
of
business
is
approval
of
minutes.
We'll
do
them
one
time.
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B
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I
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H
H
E
J
B
J
J
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D
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J
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G
Says
I
so
six
to
nothing
the
May
28th
minutes
have
been
approved.
Next
order
on
the
agenda
is
the
public
participation.
Here's
where
we
give
an
opportunity
for
any
member
of
the
public
to
address
the
Planning
Board
on
any
issue
that
is
not
on
our
public
agenda
tonight.
We
only
have
one
item
on
the
public
agenda
tonight
and
it's
a
concept
plan
for
3485
Stanford
Court.
G
If
you
have
comments
on
Stanford
Court,
you
need
to
hold
them
until
after
the
presentation
on
the
public
hearing
item
for
3485
Stanford
Court.
If
you
have
anything
that
you
want
to
address
the
Planning
Board
about
beyond
that
or
besides,
that,
that
knows
your
time
would
be
three
minutes
per
person.
Jean
do
we
have
any
people
signed
up?
We.
A
L
We
go
well
why
you
have
so
many
onerous
rules:
I,
don't
like
him,
I,
don't
like
it
you're,
not
having
my
video
up.
How
would
you
like
it?
If
you
didn't?
Have
your
video
up
between
you
all
meeting
together?
This
is
a
virtual
world.
We
live
in
and
you're
separating
the
public
from
themselves
and
it's
not
okay,
not
only
that,
and
as
far
as
the
participants
list
and
QA
that
should
be
on
their
chat
should
be
on
there.
You
should
have
breakouts
for
the
public
to
collaborate
between
themselves.
We
live
in
a
virtual
world
now.
L
Wake
up!
This
should
have
been
a
done
two
months
ago,
just
saying:
okay,
now
pre-existing
housing
on
that
subject,
gun
barrel
you're
building
as
fast
as
you
can
down
on,
bless,
reat,
building
up
and
up
brand
new.
You
know
what
the
cheapest
housing
the
cheapest
anything
is.
What
you
already
got
and
I
encounter
so
many
obstructions
just
trying
to
get
a
frickin
roof
on
my
house
and
with
permitting
and
now
with
the
kovat
and
people
contractors
not
being
able
to
come
in
permit
inspectors
not
being
able
to
come
in.
L
This
is
utterly
ridiculous
that
you
are
putting
your
time.
It's
not
my
tax
dollars.
My
to
my
money,
you
are
putting
towards
this
new
build
stuff.
Sorry,
we
have
a
different
world.
Now
those
need
to
go
on
hold
Odell
on
hold.
You
know
what
my
house,
in
my
neighborhood
I,
already
have
library.
I
already
have
a
rec
center.
I
already
have
grocery
stores.
I
have
all
those
things
Odell
des
has
not
I
already
have
open
space.
Two
blocks
from
my
house,
Odell
does
not
stop
already
stop.
L
Okay,
see
you
Sal
see,
you
is
not
even
gonna,
be
opening
to
the
extent
that
you
know
we're
spending
all
of
our
money.
All
of
this
staff
money
on
see
you
south
see.
You
is
in
big
trouble
now
the
way
that
and
not
only
that
the
virus
has
actually
opened
up
a
lot
of
opportunity,
because
we
can
have
great
professors.
We
can
have
great
departments.
People
from
all
over
the
world
can
pay
tuition
online.
They
don't
need
to
live
here.
We've
got
skyscrapers
all
over
Cu
of
housing,
that's
the
housing!
We
need
to
use.
L
Why
should
you
even
be
spending
five
minutes
on
CU
south?
We
don't
need
another
campus
in
this
town.
We've
got
enough
pressures
for
housing.
What
are
you
people
thinking
think
again
seriously?
This
is
not
funny
anymore.
This
is
something
we
should
have
learned
many
years
ago
and
the
virus
had
to
teach
us.
That's
not.
Okay,.
L
Let's
see
what
else
is
on
here,
my
list,
Rocky
Flats,
they're,
saying
now:
rocky
flash
should
be
open
for
open
space
there
because
of
the
mental
problems
of
all
the
people.
Self
isolating
well
they've
got
the
same
problems
except
it's
comorbidity.
Now
you
die
not
on
the
virus
but
from
plutonium
on
rocky
flats.
Slim
thank.
G
G
M
I'm
reaching
out
to
you
today,
because
I've
been
pretty
stressed
and
I've
lost
a
lot
of
sleep
over
the
proposed
building
that
you
guys
are
all
considering
at
the
celestial
Seasonings
tea
factory
area.
I,
really
really
implore
you
just
to
reconsider
all
of
that
I'm
a
realtor
in
the
area
and
I've
done
searches
on
what's
available.
As
far
as
rental
properties
we
have
70
or
so
apartments
that
are
available
for
rent
right
now
and
have
been
for
quite
a
while
in
Gunbarrel.
That's
considering
the
apex
area
Powderhorn
in
our
area.
M
We
have
no
city
services
out
here.
We
have
very
limited
bus
service
out
here,
my
kids,
my
kids
go
to
high
school
or
went
to
high
school
and
they
couldn't
even
take
the
bus
to
and
from
school.
Because
of
such
limited
services
that
we
have.
We
have
no
library,
we
have
no
rec
center.
We
have
no
bike
paths
even
get
into
town,
our
walkability
on
this
property.
Contrary
to
what
the
Builder
and
the
other
supporting
board
members
thought
is
a
12,
it's
a
12
for
walkability
out
here
in
Gunbarrel
and
specifically
on
this
location.
M
I
know
because
I
back
to
this
property,
we
bought
our
home
in
2003
and
I
was
here
in
Boulder
whenever
celestial
Seasonings
poisoned
all
of
those
prairie
dogs
and
then
promised
to
the
city
and
I've
pulled
the
documents
you
know
from
Carnegie
Library.
They
made
a
promise
to
the
community
that
they
would
keep
that
a
prairie
dog,
safe
area
and
a
preservation,
and
that's
what
we
expected
when
we
moved
in
here
and
when
we
bought
our
home
back
in
2003,
we
relied
on
that
building.
M
M
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
bring
to
your
attention
is
that
we
have
enough
rental
properties
in
this
community.
We
need
to
start
utilizing
the
buildings
that
are
open
and
vacant
for
the
potential
for
people
to
buy
homes.
The
affordable
housing
does
not
begin
with
apartment,
renting,
affordable
housing
begins
with
home
ownership
and
getting
families
and
individuals
who
would
like
to
be
able
to
own
their
own
home
into
the
you
know
into
a
property.
This
is
just
not
the
space
to
do
it
in
this
area.
M
M
We
just
really
need
for
you
to
consider
that
please,
rather
than
you
know,
proving
some
high-density
apartment,
rental,
housing
I
called
today
actually
and
spoke
to
the
people
running
the
diagonal
crossing,
which
I
believe
mr.
Zuckerman,
you
probably
know
about
somehow
you're
related
to
all
of
this
and
I.
Don't
want
to
offend
you
personally,
but
I
really
do
think
you
should
recuse
yourself
from
this,
because
you're
too
related,
but
anyway,
I
call
the
diagonal
crossing.
Today
they
have
about
50%
of
it,
move-in
ready,
she
told
me
and
they
have
82
percent
or
85
percent
vacancy.
M
M
A
M
G
Usually
respond
to
to
general
public
comment
or
members
of
the
public
in
general
they're
entitled
to
their
three
minutes,
but
to
the
extent
that
that
untruths
are
being
made
public
that
impugn
the
validity
of
the
process
of
this
Planning
Board
I've
got
to
respond.
We
went
through
this
last
time,
I
just
closed
in
an
abundance
of
caution
that
I'm
working
on
the
same
project.
That
Coburn
is
working
on.
I
am
the
attorney
representing
the
applicant
for
a
project.
That's
taking
place
in
a
different
County.
G
Since
there
was
no
relationship
that
required,
recusal
I
chose
to
do
it
in
an
abundance
of
caution
and
I
want
to
nip
this
in
the
bud,
because
there
is
no
improper
relationship,
there's
just
misinformation,
if
it's
being
put
out
like
that
so
I.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
concern,
but
this
is
a
very
ethical
body
and
I
want
to
make
the
public
understand
that
okay,
so
do
we
have
any
other
members
of
the
public?
Who
would
like
to
speak
a
general
public
comment?
G
Okay,
all
right,
then
we're
gonna
move
on
to
the
next
item,
which
is
the
fourth
item
on
the
agenda.
Discussion
of
dispositions,
planning
board
call
ups
and
continued
additions,
and
the
first
call
up
item
is
for
Boulder
escape
room
use,
review
Lu
our
2020
triple
zero
13.
It's
a
use
review
for
one
thousand,
seven
hundred
and
forty
square
foot
indoor
amusement
use
escape
room
located
at
nineteen.
Sixty
six
13th
Street
in
the
downtown
for
dt4
zoning
district
indoor,
amusement
establishment
uses
require
a
use
of
you
in
this
zoning
district.
The
call
up
period
expires
today.
G
Is
there
anyone
who
needs
to
ask
any
questions
about
this?
We
would
like
to
call
up
the
matter:
okay,
seeing
none
we're
not
gonna
call
that
up.
The
second
call
up
item,
therefore,
and
all
is
a
floodplain
development
permit,
FLD
2
0
1
9,
0,
0,
1,
4
0.
It's
a
standard
wetland
permit,
w
ET
2019
0
0
0,
1,
4,
broadway
reconstruction,
concrete
box
culvert
at
4,
Mile,
Canyon
Creek.
The
call
up
period
expires
tomorrow
on
June
19,
20
20
says
anybody
have
any
questions
for
staff.
G
Okay,
seeing
none
I'm
gonna
move
on
to
the
third
call
up
item,
which
is
a
standard
wetland
permit
w
et
2018
quadruple
zero
for
replace
existing
potable
water
pipeline
southwest
of
US
Highway
36.
The
colic
period
expires
on
June
19
20
2010
from
the
board
for
staff.
Would
anybody
like
to
call
this
matter
up?
Okay
and
we'll
move
on?
We
will
not
call
the
item
up
and
the
fourth
and
final
call.
If
item
is
a
standard
wetland
permit
matter,
w
ET
2020
quadruple
zero,
eight
goose,
creek
sanitary
sewer,
intercept
a
replacement
project.
G
The
call
up
period
expires
on
June,
19th
2020
Annie.
One
have
any
questions
for
staff
on
that:
okay.
Well,
that's
great
Kristin
Shepard,
it
looks
like
you
probably
can
take
off.
We
will
not
be
calling
that
matter
up.
Okay,
let's
move
on
to
the
public
hearing
item
tonight's
public
hearing
item
is
a
concept
plan
review.
G
It's
a
request
for
citizen
and
staff
and
planning
board
input
on
a
proposal
to
redevelop
the
property
at
3485
Stanford
Court
to
include
60,
permanently,
affordable
apartments
for
seniors
age,
55
plus
and
maintain
the
existing
childcare
facility
on
site.
This
is
case
number
L,
that
you
are
2020
triple
zero,
19
and
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
to
Charles,
Farrow
and
Charles.
You
can
take
it
away
great.
F
N
Okay,
good
evening
board
I
should
be
sharing
my
screen.
Let
me
know
if
you
can't
see
that
PowerPoint
all
right
so
as
described
by
the
chair.
This
concept
plan
review
is
a
proposal
for
60
permanently
affordable
senior
housing
units
at
34,
85,
Stanford
Court
and
the
residential
medium
to
zoning
district.
N
And
the
concept
plan
review
is
a
step
in
the
process
meant
to
be
a
dialogue
between
the
applicant
staff,
the
community
and
Planning
Board.
So
no
formal
action
is
being
taken
tonight.
It's
meant
to
examine
the
general
characteristics
of
the
project
and
to
provide
comments
and
guidance
early
in
the
process.
N
And
it's
part
of
the
public
process.
Notification
was
sent
to
property
owners
within
600
feet.
We
did
receive
several
public
comments
on
the
proposal
and
I'll
provide
a
summary
of
those,
and
the
applicant
also
conducted
community
outreach
prior
to
the
application,
and
they
will
be
able
to
describe
that
during
their
presentation.
N
Here
you
can
see
the
property
is
4.9
acres,
it's
located
in
south
boulder
at
the
end
of
Stanford
Court,
it's
generally
located
west
of
Broadway
and
north
of
Table
Mesa
Drive.
This
proposals
required
to
go
through
a
concept
plan
review
because
it
exceeds
2
acres
or
20
dwelling
units
in
the
rm2
zoning
district.
The
existing
site
contains
two
Church
structures:
two
parking
areas
and
community
gardens.
N
It
is
proposed
to
remain,
and
the
church
edition
built
in
2001
is
proposed
to
be
removed
and
a
new
residential
structure
built
in
the
southwest
area
of
the
site.
The
church
congregation
has
relocated
in
2019.
There
is
a
childcare
facility
on
the
site
right
now,
the
rainbow
center
childcare
and
it
is
proposed
to
remain.
N
Here
you
can
see
some
context.
Photos
of
the
surrounding
area
surrounding
the
site
are
primarily
single-family,
do
duplex
homes
to
the
north,
west
and
southwest
and
to
the
south
east,
or
the
Boulder
Creek
Apartments,
and
the
Harvard
Park
Apartments
and
Martin
Park
is
located
to
the
Northeast
via
the
pedestrian
underpass
under
Broadway,
and
the
Table
Mesa
shopping
center
is
located
just
to
the
south.
N
The
boulder
Valley
Comprehensive
Plan
designation,
was
recently
updated
as
part
of
the
2015
BBC
P
update.
The
designation
is
medium
density,
residential,
which
is
intended
to
provide
16
to
14
units
per
acre,
and
the
site
is
within
the
residential
medium
to
zoning
district,
which
permits
attached
drilling
units
at
a
density
of
up
to
twelve
point
four
units
per
acre.
N
This
proposal
includes
construction
of
a
new
three-story
residential
building
in
the
southwest
area
of
the
site
to
include
60
permanently
affordable
housing
senior
units.
Addition,
in
addition
to
the
church,
circa
2001,
would
be
demolished
for
this
building
and
the
existing
sanctuary,
building
dating
from
the
1950s
would
remain.
The
eastern
parking
area
would
remain
with
some
improvements
and
a
drive
access
is
proposed
along
Souths
property
line
to
allow
access
to
a
small
Western
parking
area.
B
N
N
This
slide
shows
the
north
and
south
proposed
building
elevations
and
the
existing
church
building
that
would
remain
is
rendered
in
white.
The
proposal
is
a
contemporary
building
with
stacked
flats
on
a
double
loaded
corridor.
It's
cut
into
the
grade,
appearing
primarily
as
a
three-story
building
on
the
east
end
and
a
two-story
building
towards
the
west.
N
The
overall
city
process
is
required
for
this
proposal
are
listed
here.
The
main
process
after
this
process
would
be
a
site
review
amendment
to
amend
the
existing
proposal
on
the
site.
A
user
view
might
be
required
for
the
daycare
specifically
if
the
daycare
were
to
change
its
operating
characteristics,
if
either
the
city
or
the
applicant
desires,
to
landmark
the
1950s
era
church
building.
That
would
be
a
process
to
go
through
and
after
those
processes
there
would
be
vacation
of
right-of-way
technical
documents.
Preliminary
and
final
plots
and
building
permits.
N
Staff
did
receive
feedback
from
several
individuals
generally.
Most
of
the
comments
were
opposed
to
the
proposal
and
included
concerns
regarding
traffic
in
the
area.
Disturbance
to
the
environment
and
compatibility
with
the
surrounding
area
staff
also
received
a
comment
in
support
of
the
proposed
senior
housing
and
childcare
uses
and
suggestions
to
include
a
neighbor
serving
spaces
or
use
such
as
a
restaurant
or
coffee
shop
or
a
rentable
community
room.
N
Moving
on
to
key
issues,
staff
identified
the
items
on
this
slide
for
feedback
from
the
board,
including
the
proposals,
consistency
with
BBC
P
policies
and
compatibility
with
the
character
of
the
surrounding
area
for
consistency
with
BBC
P
policies.
Staff
found
the
proposal
supported
many
policies
related
to
providing
affordable
housing,
supporting
a
range
of
households
and
housing
types
and
diversity,
as
well
as
design
and
land
use.
Related
policies
such
as
compact
development
and
compatibility
of
land
uses
at
the
time
of
site
review.
N
The
surrounding
densities,
massing
and
scale
of
surrounding
properties
also
vary
with
lower
densities
in
single-family
areas
and
densities
as
high
as
18
units
per
acre.
In
the
apartments
to
the
southeast
generally,
stock
was
supportive
of
the
proposed
site
layout
and
massing
and
scale
which
are
intended
to
minimize
the
visibility
of
the
proposal
and
provide
variation
in
the
building
and
grew
form
to
reduce
the
apparent
mass
in
bulk
of
the
building
at
key
points.
N
G
I
So
I
had
a
question
that
has
to
do
with
the
rm2
zoning.
The
definition
for
rm2
is
medium
density
areas
primarily
used
for
small
lot
residential
development,
including
without
limitation,
duplexes,
triplexes
and
townhomes,
where
each
unit
generally
has
direct
access
to
ground
level.
So
stuff
of
the
dwelling
units
in
this
proposal
do
have
access
to
the
ground
level.
Access
and
many
do
not
and
I'm
just
sort
of
curious.
Are
there
other
examples
of
RM
to
areas
that
also
do
not
focus
on
ground
level?
Access
type
of
dwelling
units.
N
Yeah,
when
I
read
that
definition,
it
talks
about
dwelling
units
without
limitation,
and
then
it
lists
a
few
types
of
dwelling
units.
So
when
I'm
reading
that
I
don't
get
the
impression
that
the
only
types
of
units
would
be
units
that
would
have
access
to
ground
level,
I
think
just
looking
at
the
ones
right
adjacent
to
it
with
those
apartments.
I
don't
know
that
all
of
those
would
have
access
to
the
ground
level,
but
I
haven't
analyzed
that
in
depth
or
looking
at
drawing
it
throughout
the
city
and
are
into
zone
specifically.
Okay,.
I
Thank
you,
I
did
I
did
sort
of
drive
around
that
area
and
it
does
look
like
many
of
those
buildings
that
are
similar
in
that
they're
sort
of
big
long
apartment
style
buildings
do
seem
to
have
access
every
each
town.
Townhome
style
seems
that
seemed
to
have
access
so
I
just
trying
to
understand
the
compatibility
there.
Thank
you.
J
Yeah,
thank
you
for
that
presentation.
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up
the
connector
on
the
east
part
of
the
property
that
heads
down
to
Harvard
I.
Don't
ever
see
that
mention
very
much
and
it
does
seem
like
kind
of
an
interesting
and
convenient
connector.
However,
there
might
be
some
ABA
issues
with
it
because
it
is
a
little
steep
without
a
handrail,
so
I
just
wondered
if,
if
there
is
anything
know
about
with
that,
yeah.
N
I
think
that
was
something
that
we'd
like
to
look
at
more
at
the
time
of
site
review
is
how
all
of
those
transportation
have
we're
gonna
link
up
with
the
information
provided
at
this
level.
There's
not
a
ton
of
detail
about
those
slopes
and
those
grades
and
the
sidewalks
that
could
be
provided,
and
that's
something.
You
really
want
to
dig
into
more
to
make
sure
that,
since
it
is
located
near
all
of
these
great
transportation
connections,
how
can
we
really
make
sure
that
that
access
is
taking
advantage
of.
H
N
This
this
application
was
referred
to
our
historic
preservation
staff
and
they
indicated
that
they
would
take
a
look
at
that
at
the
time
of
site
review
to
determine
whether
or
not
we
would
recommend
that
it
is
landmarked
and
if
we
were
to
that,
could
be
a
condition
of
approval
that
we
could
place
on
the
site
review
to
have
the
applicant
make
that
application.
If,
if
staff
recommends
that
so
I
don't
have
a
read
on
whether
or
not
we'd
recommend
it
at
this
point,
but
we
would
definitely
be
looking
at
that.
Okay.
H
N
The
applicant
could
speak
to
their
exact
plans
on
that.
I
know
that
the
intent
based
on
what
they've
submitted
at
this
point
is
to
make
this
a
place
that
is
still
going
to
be
accessible
to
the
public,
because
I
know
that
that's
been
a
really
great
feature
of
this
project
or
this
site
at
this
point,
so
I
think
they
can
speak
more
to
their
plans
with
that
when
they
do
their
presentation.
Okay,.
H
And
and
just
a
quick
question
also
directly
to
the
west
of
this
area
in
the
in
the
steep
area
that
we
just
talked
about
what
is
the
nature
of
any
easements
or
open
space
classification
of
that
area?
That
is
directly
to
the
west
of
this,
that
it
looks
like
a
path
could
go
through
there
to
property
owners,
agree
I.
N
She
was
specifically
designated
as
open
space,
so
I
think
that
in
terms
of
paths
and
linkages,
we
would
definitely
be
looking
at
those
and
making
sure
that
there
was
agreement
about
what
types
of
paths
and
linkages
and
areas
that
can
be.
You
know
kept
in
a
natural
state
at
the
time
of
site
review,
but
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
I
know
the
exact
one
you're
looking
at,
but
we
could
definitely
look
into
that.
Well,.
H
I
Else
have
a
question
before
yeah,
okay,
so
one
of
the
things
that
one
of
the
things
I
was
struck
by
this
area
is
the
multitude
multitudinous
roads,
it's
kind
of
a
mess
back
there
and
I'm
curious.
If
staff
has
given
any
to
whether
this
project
could
love
could
be
a
lever
to
kind
of
make
more
sense
out
of
all
of
all
of
those
roads,
and
it
may
not
be
possible,
but
it
just
struck
me
that
there's
an
awful
lot
of
roads
over
there.
N
What
we
looked
at
at
this
point
was
to
access
to
the
property.
There
is
some
extra
right-of-way,
that's
actually
shown
as
part
of
this
property
that
would
be
vacated
most
likely
after
the
this
approval
went
through
as
its
right-of-way
that
is
owned
by
the
city,
but
it's
not
being
used
so
in
in
terms
of
that
that
would
clean
up
that
extra
right-of-way
in
terms
of
other
roads
that
aren't
part
of
this
property
that
that
wasn't
something
we
analyzed
as
part
of
this
concept.
Okay,
thank
you.
G
E
N
There's
55
in
the
East
parking
lot
and
then
enough
in
the
West
parking
lot
that
it
adds
up
to
73,
so
that
would
there
would
be
62
required
for
the
dwelling
units
themselves
and
then
we
would
need
to
evaluate
the
amount
of
parking
that
the
daycare
would
need
and
that's
to
review.
So
we
felt
like
just
at
first
glance
that
the
amount
of
parking
seemed
to
be
generally
appropriate
and
we
would
be
looking
to
make
sure
there
was
a
good
balance
there.
If
the
daycare
does
remain
that
there
would
be
adequate
parking
for
both
uses.
E
G
K
So
I
believe
in
this
area,
so
I'm
familiar
with
that
particular
section
and
there's
a
couple
things
that
come
to
my
mind.
One
is:
we
do
have
a
number
of
retirement
communities
in
this
area,
which
I
think
may
be
a
good
model
to
get
a
sense
of
really
how
much
parking
is
really
needed
for
this
type
of
population.
In
this
section
and
I,
don't
know
the
city
I've
looked
into
that,
but
that
would
be
one
thing
there
is.
K
Another
question
is
has
to
do
with
the
specific
intersection
of
Rock
coming
out
of
the
King
Soopers.
That
intersection
to
to
make
left
turns
is
it
is
a
nightmare
when
we
have
people
visiting
coming
out
so
I'm
thinking,
probably
the
traffic
may
not
be
increased
so
much
because
of
the
type
of
population
it
is,
but
if,
if
there
is
anything
that
could
be
done
to
improve
that
intersection,
potentially
considering
may
be
installing
a
light
locator.
N
So
what
that
means
is
we
wouldn't
required
this
project
generally
to
fund
or
construct
improvements
to
intersections
nearby
I
can
say
that
it
just
in
talking
with
our
transportation
folks.
They
are
aware
of
those
issues
down
at
that
kind
of
intersection
down
there
and
I
think
they're
looking
at
improvements
potentially,
but
it
wouldn't
be
this
project
funding
those
improvements
that
would
be
more
of
a
city
project.
Okay,
thank
you
great.
G
B
G
P
All
right:
well,
thanks
Shannon
members
of
Planning
Board,
my
name
is
Ian
swallow
with
Boulder
housing
partners.
I
am
the
project
manager
for
the
mount
cavalry
project.
I'm
also
joined
tonight
by
JV
DeSousa,
who
is
the
architect
for
the
project,
and
you
will
hear
from
him
in
a
bit
so
next
slide
channel
just
to
set
a
little
bit
of
the
context
of
why
we
think
this
is
such
an
important
project.
I
wanted
to
share
just
some
of
the
data
of
the
seniors
that
are
currently
living
in
BHP
housing.
So
you'll
see
there.
P
P
This
came
through
a
little
funky,
but
that's
okay.
The
second
point
I
wanted
to
really
talk
about
is
just
you
know
what
an
exceptional
location
we
think
this
site
is
for
affordable
senior
housing,
so
you
can
see
there
the
times
for
walking
from
the
site
to
some
of
the
adjacent
amenities.
So
three
and
four
minutes
to
the
library
it's
about
a
six
minute,
walk
down
to
the
skip,
stop
that'll,
take
you
to
downtown
and
then
of
course,
in
this
neighborhood
would
be
remiss
not
included.
P
It's
only
about
a
seven
minute,
walk
to
get
to
Southern
Sun.
So
we're
excited
about
what
a
great
location
this
provides
next
slide,
just
to
touch
a
little
bit
on
some
of
the
background
and
history
of
this
site.
So,
as
Shannon
mentioned,
the
land
use
designation
was
changed
in
the
2015
BBC
P
update
and
really
acknowledged
the
you
know,
appropriateness
of
this
site
for
multi-family
housing.
At
that
same
time,
bhp
actually
went
through
an
initial
site
planning
process
that
included
housing.
P
The
map
cavalry
lutheran
church
was
proposed
to
remain
at
that
point,
as
well
as
the
child
care.
We
went
through
that
process
and
ultimately
determined
that
it
was
best
for
for
this
site
for
the
neighborhood
for
us
to
posit
at
that
point,
the
dual
uses
or
really
triple
uses
in
terms
of
impact
felt
like
too
much.
So
at
that
point
we
paused
the
project
and
really
waited
for
something
to
change,
to
restart
next
slide
fast
forward
to
late.
P
Next
slide,
please
I
did
want
to
touch
on
some
of
the
community
engagement
we've
done
in
this
iteration
in
the
2028
iteration,
so
we
hosted
an
open
house
in
January,
as
well
as
a
design
workshop
in
February
that
we
thought
both
went
really
well.
We
got
a
lot
of
great
feedback
and
got
a
lot
of
great
input
from
a
variety
of
stakeholders.
P
P
Just
quickly
touch
on
that
online
survey,
we
had
over
90
responses.
It
was
open
for
about
10
days.
We
had
a
couple
interactive
video,
some
images
and
ask
some
questions
just
about
general
design
preferences,
some
of
the
things
we
were
really
excited
to
get
out
of
that
you'll
see
there.
We
had
over
a
quarter
of
the
respondents,
we're
actually
interested
in
living
in
affordable
senior
housing,
which
frankly,
is
much
higher
than
we
typically
get
at
an
in-person
community
meeting,
especially
when
you're
having
to
tell
someone
that
you
know
units
wouldn't
be
available.
P
For
you
know
two
three
four
years
sometimes
so
we
were
very
excited
about
that,
as
well
as
the
fact
that
only
about
a
third
of
participants
had
attended
the
in-person
design
workshop,
so
we
feel,
like
we
really
reached
a
broader
segment
of
folks
with
that
online
tool.
Next
slide,
we
certainly
heard
some
concerns
through
that
process.
Jd
will
touch
on
that
and
some
of
the
design
but
I
wanted
to
briefly
touch
on
density.
I.
P
Think
Shannon
outlined
there's
a
variety
of
densities
around
this
site,
so
you'll
see
the
apartments
kind
of
to
the
south
and
southeast
are
quite
high
density.
There's
some
duplexes
immediately
to
the
south,
some
multifamily
to
the
Northeast
there
and
then
primarily
single-family
homes
to
the
west
and
north.
So
we
really
wanted
to
keep
the
building
closer
and
relate
more
to
the
multifamily
housing.
P
Think
we
probably
need
for
this
site
so
as
a
means
of
comparison,
hi
Marv,
which
is
a
senior
properties,
but
a
mile
from
here
also
in
south
Boulder,
has
59
units
so
very
similar.
Only
36
households
living
at
hime
are
actually
have
cars.
That
combined
with
the
fact
that
the
childcare
use
is
primarily
a
drop-off
use,
we
think
that
we
have
more
than
enough
parking
on
this
site,
but
I
think
that
that
may
be
a
way
to
help
alleviate
issues
that
we've
heard
with
some
street
parking,
and
things
like
that.
P
Additionally,
we're
providing
a
pretty
significant
amount
of
one-bedroom
units
with
this
proposal,
we
should
you
know,
limit
kind
of
vehicles
on
the
site
further
and
then
finally,
I
think
especially
compared
to
high
Mar.
This
site
is
just
has
many
more
amenities,
with
a
walking
distance
that
we
really
think
there's
going
to
be
not
many
kind
of
vehicle
trips
from
this
site
and
with
that
I
think
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
to
Jay
V
to
talk
about
the
design
with
the
next
slide.
Q
Okay,
can
everybody
hear
me?
Okay,
we
did
want
to
talk
just
briefly
back
in
2017
we
did.
We
were
designing
site
and
we're
gonna
at
that
point,
people
the
narthex
building,
which
is
the
structure
that
was
built
in
2001
and
the
sanctuary
building
that
was
built
in
1958
59,
but
that
had
some
challenges
that
pushed
the
building
further
to
the
west
closer
to
the
single-family
development.
That's
there
and
it
also
pushed
it,
made
the
building,
push
out
a
little
bit
and
come
closer
to
the
hillside
to
the
north.
Q
We
did
some
studies
of
both
of
the
existing
structures
to
see
what
their
value
might
be
going
forward
in
terms
of
providing
usable
space
for
older
housing
partners
for
either
community
space
or
for
future
residential
space
and
the
sanctuary
building
actually
has
a
lot
of
value
in
terms
of
potential
use.
The
narthex
building,
because
of
its
planned
configuration
inside
and
some
of
its
accessibility
issues,
was
determined
to
be
of
significantly
less
value
and
a
bit
of
an
impedance
in
terms
of
developing
the
site
in
a
way
that
the
neighborhood
was
asking.
Q
Q
So,
as
the
inside,
we
had
a
design
workshop
in
February,
we
presented
a
number
of
different
alternatives
and,
in
the
other
alternatives
we
presented
taking
the
apartment,
building
and
splitting
it
into
two
smaller
structures,
a
little
more
in
keeping
with
the
scale
of
the
existing
sanctuary
building,
and
we
really
thought
that
the
community
would
prefer
those
smaller
buildings
and
the
parking
kind
of
scattered
across
the
site
and
much
for
a
surprise.
This
was
the
overwhelming
favorite
instead
was
to
put
one
single
large
structure
on
the
site
in
order
to
she'd
go
to
the
next
slide.
Q
Q
Retaining
that
path
that
comes
up
from
Dover
Drive,
below
up
the
hill
and
through
to
Stanford
Court
and
across
to
Table
Mesa
shopping
center,
keeping
parking
on
the
east
and
west
margins
of
the
site
to
keep
the
building
as
far
as
possible,
from
the
single-family
development
on
the
bottom
of
the
hill,
along
Dover
and
along
Harvard,
and
from
the
single-family
development
along
the
west
along
Stanford.
Drive.
Q
Next
slide,
please,
as
Ian
said,
then
we
followed
that
up
with
some
additional
community
engagement
work
where
we
talked
to
the
community
via
an
online
presentation,
and
we
were
really
asking
them
about
the
form
and
asking
of
the
building.
Critical
issues
were
proximity
to
the
hillside
and
can
go
back
a
slide
or
two
there
scannin
please.
Q
So
we
presented
three
different
alternatives
and
they
were
you're
fairly
settled,
but
they
were
about
how
far
west
the
building
extended,
how
far
north
and
how
far
close
to
how
close
to
the
edge
of
the
hill
they
became.
It
came
sorry
and
we
might
be
able
to
remove
portions
of
the
building
to
modulate
the
form
a
bit
and
break
down
some
of
the
scale
of
the
structure
and
of
the
three
that
were
presented.
Q
Q
The
new
building
and
the
existing
church
create
an
entry
court,
there's
a
large
Terrace
on
the
north
side
of
the
building
that
looks
out
across
the
discount
to
the
Flatirons
and
towards
Flagstaff,
and
let's
see
if
the
daycare
does
stay,
it's
in
the
lower
floor
of
the
existing
church
structure
and
the
path
down
to
the
neighborhood
below
is
to
be
reoriented.
It's
brought
up
specifically
in
between
the
new
building
and
the
church,
so
that
residents
of
the
neighborhood
below
can
come
up
and
through
the
site
and
over
the
table,
Mesa
next.
Q
So
this
is
actually
the
first
floor
site
plan.
The
first
floor
of
the
building
of
the
new
proposed
apartment
building
aligns
with
the
church
structure.
The
west
end
of
the
first
floor
is
actually
below
grade,
and
so
the
south
access
Drive
is
ascending
and
there's
a
stair
and
ramp
that
a
sense
to
an
upper
terrace
as
well
next
slide,
so
that
at
the
second
floor,
the
West
parking
is
actually
at
the
second
floor
level.
Q
Q
So
this
is
the
ground
floor
plan
seventeen
units,
again
most
of
this
I've,
already
described
the
sanctuary,
building
the
historic
church
structures
to
be
renovated
as
common
area
for
the
residents
of
the
site.
It
makes
an
entry
court
between
that
existing
structure
and
the
new
apartment
building.
These
Apartments
on
this
floor
are
a
bit
of
garden
level
because
the
site
is
rising
to
the
west,
but
those
ground
floor
units
all
have
access
either
to
a
private
patio
and
planted
outdoor
area
or
to
a
shared
resident
courtyard
next
slide.
Q
On
the
second
floor,
again,
there's
18
parking
spaces
to
the
west,
there's
the
garden
area
and
buffer
landscape
buffer
for
the
single-family
homes
to
the
west
and
there's
a
small
upper
terrace
as
well,
and
residents
of
the
second
floor,
as
I
mentioned
here
earlier,
can
access
their
units
at
grade
on
the
second
floor,
24
units
on
the
second
floor.
Next,
the
top
floor
has
19,
which
brings
it
to
a
total
of
60.
Q
There
are
locations
for
roof,
decks
or
roof
terraces
in
different
locations
on
the
building
for
sunrises
sunsets
midday
different
exposures
for
different
times
of
year,
and
there
are
common
area
and
closed
areas
up
there
as
well.
For
the
residents
to
share
next
Shannon
showed
these
elevations.
We
really
think
that
the
building
has
two
front
two
primary
elevations,
the
north
and
south
south
is
what
you
see
as
you
come
into
the
site.
North
is
what
you
can
see
from
Broadway.
As
you
drive
south,
the
existing
sanctuary
is
in
the
foreground.
Q
You
can
see
that
they
have
different
architectural
characters.
The
site,
the
South
elevation
is
more
urban
as
because
it
comes
up
against
the
apartments
and
duplexes.
The
north
elevation
is
considered
more
organic
and
has
a
different
material
palette
because
of
its
relationship
to
the
hillside.
Next,
the
east
and
west
elevations
are
relatively
small
because
the
buildings
primary
access
runs
east-west.
You
can
see
on
the
upper
one
drop-off
where
the
building
comes
over
the
drop-off
area
and
creates
a
protective
zone
for
residents
to
be
dropped
off
and
enter
the
structure.
Next.
Q
This
is
the
architectural
character
for
the
North
elevation
so
facing
the
hillside,
lots
of
natural-looking
materials
and
natural
colors
very
highly
textured.
Some
transparency,
a
connection
to
the
land
and
to
the
sky
above
next
and
the
form
and
scale
and
character
of
the
materials
on
the
south
side
is
more
urban
and
townhouse
in
nature.
Next,
and
we
have
a
series
here
of
just
aerial
views
that
kind
of
explain
the
overall
concept.
This
is
from
the
Northwest.
Q
Looking
at
the
structure,
the
sanctuary
is
on
the
left-hand
side,
the
entry
court
between
the
sanctuary
and
the
new
apartment
building,
the
terrace
that
looks
over
the
hillside
to
the
Flatirons.
The
neighborhood
path
comes
up
the
hill
between
the
two
buildings,
the
hillside
stays
natural.
The
building
is
two
stories
tall
on
the
west
side,
three
stories
tall
on
the
east
side.
Next,
this
is
from
the
southwest
and
again
you
can
see
the
architectural
character
of
the
South.
Elevation
is
much
more
vertical
and
character,
whereas
on
the
North
elevation,
it's
more
horizontal.
Q
The
access
Drive
descends
from
the
West
parking
down
to
Stanford
Court.
Next.
This
is
looking
over
the
top
of
the
sanctuary
towards
the
building.
The
entry
court
in
between
the
two
structures
and
the
hillside
beyond
the
drop-off
cover
drop-off
area
is
immediately
upon
entering
the
site
on
Stanford
Court.
Next,
this
is
a
view
as
you
enter
on
Stanford
Court,
so
the
drop-off
area
is
underneath
the
building
immediately
to
the
left
there.
Beyond
the
apartment
structure,
you
can
see
the
the
sanctuary
building
to
remain
next.
Q
This
is
a
view.
Looking
back
at
the
entry
court,
the
space
between
the
existing
sanctuary
structure
and
the
new
apartment
building
with
potential
for
our
roof
terrace
up
above
so
that
the
the
building
mass
as
it
comes
to
the
existing
structure.
It's
two
stories
tall
next
and
the
final
image.
This
is
the
terrace
on
the
north
west
side
of
the
building.
Again,
the
architectural
character
is
different.
G
R
G
H
P
Yeah
great
question
John:
we
would
certainly
this
site
would
be
open
for
the
public
to
walk
through
and
use
as
a
connection
the
way
that
site
is
currently
oriented.
It
definitely
serves
that
purpose
for
folks
down
on
Dover
to
get
over
to
Table
Mesa,
and
we
would
have
no
intent
to
change
that,
certainly
no
fences
or
gates
that
would
restrict
people
walking
through
the
site.
Okay,.
I
A
question
about
a
statement
that
was
made
in
the
proposal
specific
to
the
childcare
facility,
which
was
that
the
the
childcare
facility
and
I'm
paraphrasing
here
would
need
to
pay
for
their
own,
the
renovation
of
their
portion
of
the
facility
and
I'm
trying
to
understand
what
that
means.
I,
miss
I,
don't
know
if
there's
a
private
childcare
facility
or
a
public
one.
I
P
Absolutely
so
the
just
I
guess
there's
a
little
bit
of
background.
The
rainbow
childcare
who
is
located
in
the
lower
level
of
that
sanctuary,
building
I
think
they've
been
there
about
40
years.
They
were
initially
started
kind
of
as
an
offshoot
of
the
church.
They
are
now
a
separate
nonprofit
entity
and
so
that
that
statement
was
really
meant
to
just
recognize.
We,
we
can't
use
affordable
housing
funds
to
renovate
the
nonprofit
childcare
space,
so
we
have
been
working
with
rainbow
on
what
it
could
look
like
for
them
to
remain.
P
As
you
can
imagine
that
sanctuary
structure
from
the
50s
it
has
had
almost
no
capital
improvements
done
to
it
is
in
need
of
quite
a
bit
of
renovation,
and
so
we
are
looking
at
a
variety
of
different
sources
that
could
help
pay
for
that
renovation.
So
City
CDBG
funds,
Boulder,
County
worthy
cause
funds,
as
well
as
some
other
sources
that
might
be
able
to
renovate
that
space.
I
don't
have
a
definitive
answer
on
what
that
looks
like
exactly,
but
we
think
it's
a
good
use.
P
I
P
Would
still
renovate
the
sanctuary
so
the
currents
as
it
stands,
the
upper
level
would
be
common
space
for
the
residents
and
the
lower
level
would
be
the
childcare.
Should
the
childcare
not
be
able
to
remain
I
think
you
know
we
would
look
at
other
potential
uses,
whether
it's
you
know:
bhp
kind
of
staff,
space
for
offices
or
a
maintenance
staff
other
you
know
nonprofit
potential
rental
space,
it's
a
pretty
big
floor
plate,
it's
about
five
thousand
square
feet,
so
I
think
you
know
there
would
be
some
creative
thinking
about
what
uses
could
go
there.
Okay,.
K
P
E
So
I'll
go
back
to
parking,
which
seems
to
be
a
common
theme
for
me.
So
I
appreciate
the
comments
he
already
made
around
kind
of
parking
in
the
number
of
spaces
and
how
you
work
to
think
about
how
you
might
be
able
to
reduce
them.
I
was
curious
with
the
layout
of
the
site
plan
the
slope
of
the
site.
Did
you
look
at
all
that,
like
tuck
under
parking
or
like
partially
covered
parking
and
then
looking
at
other
existing
BHP
projects
and
you
seeing
how
much
people
actually
use
the
parking?
Have
you
thought
about?
P
I
think
when
we
had
looked
at
project
back
in
2017,
we
had
actually
looked
at
providing
some
underground
parking.
It
is
certainly
nice.
It
can
also
be
extremely
cost
prohibitive.
So,
for
instance,
you
know
we're
seeing
about
fifty
thousand
dollars
a
space
for
underground
parking.
That
being
said,
I
think
you
know,
covered
parking
is
certainly
something
we
would
look
at,
especially
at
a
senior
site.
P
I
do
think
there
would
be
potential
to
reduce
the
number
of
spaces,
and
you
know
if
we
did
that
we
would
certainly
want
to
provide
an
additional
amenities,
whether
it's
garden
or
open
space,
or
something
like
that.
So
I
think
you
know.
If
there's
direction,
to
look
at
that
we
would.
We
would
certainly
do
that
as
well.
As
you
know,
exploring
what
some
covered
parking
might
look
like
as
well
and.
E
E
J
Yeah
and
I,
just
because
of
the
discussion
of
the
parking
lot
remembered
that
I
think
the
community
gardens
that
currently
exist
would
need
to
be
relocated.
Kind
of
over
to
the
west
side
of
the
property
and
I
did
I.
Do
I
have
seen
that
there
are
some
pretty
mature
trees
over
there.
So
I
don't
know
how
much
thought
is
gone
in
to
relocating
the
community
gardens
over
there.
But
if
you,
if
you
have
like
be
interested
in
hearing
that
yeah.
P
So
that
those
existing
community
gardens
on
the
west
side,
I
think
you
know
the
intent
would
be
to
keep
community
garden
space
as
a
buffer
on
the
far
west
property
boundary
as
they're
shown.
Currently
they
would
not
be
as
large
as
they
are
existing,
but
I
think
you
know
it's
a
great
it's
a
great
use
for
senior
housing.
P
It's
always
very
high
demand,
so
we're
always
open
to
expanding
that
and
then,
as
far
as
the
trees,
which
had
a
tree
survey
done
back
in
2017
to
get
a
good
sense
of
some
of
the
trees
out
there.
So
you
know
our
10th
is
to
really
preserve
the
trees
on
site
on
that
northern
slope,
down
towards
Dover.
That
really
creates
a
nice
kind
of
forest
area.
P
Absolutely
balconies
are
always
an
interesting
design
discussion
and
you
know
I've
actually
looked
at
this
on
a
number
of
different
senior
projects,
both
in
the
city
and
county,
and
you
know
what
I
think
we've
kind
of
landed
on
and
looked
at
is
that
individual
balconies
sometimes
actually
get
less
use
than
we
think
they
are
and
they
can
become
almost
storage
for
the
individual
unit
and
so
I
think.
The
approach
that
we've
taken
here
is
to
not
provide
individual
balconies,
which
saves
some
cost
and
then
invest
that
cost.
P
In
really,
you
know
tremendous
kind
of
common
spaces
on
the
site
which
we
actually
find
can
be
more
successful
for
senior
households,
especially
back
on
that
first
or
second
slide.
You
would
see
the
average
household
side,
for
average
household
size
for
our
seniors
is
about
1.1
people
per
household,
so
we've
actually
found
I
think
that
seniors
prefer
to
be
able
to
have
common
spaces
where
they
can
gather,
and
so
the
approach
here
has
been
provide
those
common
spaces,
both
indoor
and
outdoor,
as
well
as
in
the
renovation
of
the
sanctuary,
Thank.
H
Yeah,
then,
never
quite
yet,
but
almost
so
I
was
also
wondering
about
the
decision
to
make
the
southern
exposure
more
urban,
as
as
mr.
Johnson
described
it
versus
the
northern.
The
northern
side
is
somewhat
more,
has
a
different
character.
I
have
to
say
that
to
me,
the
the
northern
character
seem
more
attractive,
both
on
the
north
and
the
southern
side,
and
I
wondered
if
you
had
thought
about
that.
We.
Q
So
it's
really
a
look
at
instead
of
trying
to
have
one
single
structure
that
is
uniform
throughout,
we
were
exploring
the
alternative
of
having
some
different
appearances
for
the
structure
as
it
faced
the
neighborhood
in
different
ways,
but
we're
certainly
abled
and
open
to
input
from
the
community,
and
this
is
a
level
of
input
we
haven't
yet
been
able
to
ask
the
neighborhood
about,
and
should
the
neighborhood
say
we
much
prefer
that
aesthetic
and
that
character.
We
would
certainly
listen,
and
we
would
certainly
do
that.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
I
But
it
also
seems
from
the
proposal
like
you're
likely
to
come
and
for
a
height
modification
which
you
are
allowed
to
do
as
a
because
you
have
more
than
40
percent
permanently
affordable
housing,
but
I'm
struck
by
the
I'm
wondering
if
you
have
thought
about
ways
in
which
you
could
actually
reduce
the
height
in
some
of
those
three
story.
Areas
and
what
I
was
looking
at
was
the
share
the
public's
pit
and
that's
not
public.
The
communal
space
that
you
have
on
the
first
floor
of
the
very
large
building
is
just
across
the
patty.
I
It
will
be
just
across
the
patio
from
an
entire
building
that
is
intended
to
be
community
space
and
I'm.
Just
curious,
if
you
all,
might
imagine
using
that
what
is
currently
imagined
as
community
space
in
the
big
building
for
apartments.
Instead,
that
would
allow
you,
perhaps,
to
lower
the
building
a
little
bit.
At
least
a
little
bit
more
of
it
down
to
35
a
little
bit
lower.
Q
Q
You
have
looked
at
how
to
be
more
efficient
with
the
community
space
and
how
we
might
be
able
to
change
some
units
and
take
some
pieces
of
additional
pieces
off
of
the
building,
but
we,
after
talking
to
Shannon
and
other
city
staff
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
instead
of
coming
in
and
presenting
something
that
didn't
look
like
what
we
presented.
What
we
submitted
in
the
concept
review
we
just
chose
to
stick
with.
Q
P
Visitor
access
and
all
those
and
really
been
kind
of
amazed
at
some
of
the
community
that
has
formed
there
and
how
residents
have
really
supported
each
other
through
what
can
be.
You
know
a
difficult
situation
in
having
to
have
more
limited
access,
I,
think
and
I
think
in
terms
of
physical
design,
especially
for
this
site.
You
know
the
outdoor
spaces
are
so
critical
for
something
like
this
and
providing
those
spaces.
Q
Now
that
we've
been
inside
our
homes
for
10
to
12,
weeks
and
I,
do
know
a
number
of
seniors
that
have
expressed
that
the
ability
to
just
step
outside
and
get
some
fresh
air
without
having
to
go
through
the
common
areas
is
important.
I,
don't
know
that
that
would
mean
we
would
really
put
private
balconies
on,
but
perhaps
Juliet
balconies.
That
would
allow
people
to
open
a
door
and
step
to
a
rail
at
the
edge
of
their
bill
of
the
edge
of
their
unit
and
look
outside
those
sorts
of
things.
Q
I
do
think
we
might
want
to
consider
and
I
that
is
Lupita
directly
in
response
to
kind
of
what
we've
learned
and
what
we've
experienced
over
the
last
couple
of
months
here,
in
terms
of
you
know
effective
supportive
of
good
mental
health
for
seniors
ability
to
connect
with
nature
and
outside
when
we're
not
able
to
get
up
and
move
about
the
way
we
normally
would.
Thank.
H
P
Absolutely
so
I
think,
as
far
as
the
cafe
front,
I
think
that
that
type
of
use
would
really
struggle
at
this
site.
You
have
a
significant
amount
of
retail
already
existing
across
Table
Mesa.
So
I
don't
know
that
in
practice
that
that
would
actually
be
a
good
use
for
this
site.
We've
certainly
looked
at
you
know,
making
common
space
available
I
think
the
sanctuary
building
could
be
a
good
fit
for
that
upper
level.
We
are
unfortunately,
bound
by
the
rules
of
the
tax
code
and
the
IRS,
who
runs
the
low-income
housing
tax
credit
program.
P
B
G
Other
questions
so
I
guess
I'll.
Just
ask
one
question:
probably:
with
javi,
following
up
on
Sara's
question
on
height,
do
you
have
any
designs
that
you
think
given
the
weight,
bolder
measures
height
and
the
change
in
topography
across
the
site
and
the
length
of
the
building
that
would
allow
you
to
come
forward
with
a
by
right
height
proposal
and
not
need
a
height
modification?
G
Q
Was
presented
tonight
is
a
by
right
eye
allowance.
It's
the
on
one
of
the
elevations
I,
because
I
was
trying
to
make
sure
we
came
in
under
our
15
minutes,
I
breezed
through
a
lot
of
slides
very
quickly,
but
one
of
them
did
show
that
the
building,
as
it's
shown
right
now
in
the
presentation
to
you
this
evening,
does
fit
under
the
height
limit.
G
Okay,
okay,
well,
I!
Think
that's
that's
an
interesting
observation.
You
know,
especially
in
light
of
the
the
way
that
staff
suggested
changing
and
ended
up
with
City
Council
agreeing
to
the
change
in
the
requirements
for
sloped
roofs
versus
flat
roofs
on
used
and
allowing
a
little
extra
height
for
a
sloped
roof
and
so
I
think.
Those
who
write
code
in
the
city
staff
might
take
note
of
that.
Any
other
questions
for
staff
or
for
the
applicant
from
the
board.
G
A
Sounds
good
thanks
Harmon,
so
for
anyone
who
would
like
to
speak
during
the
public
during
the
public
hearing
for
this
item,
there'll
be
three
minutes:
each
we're
gonna
utilize
the
raise
hand
function.
So
it
looks
like
at
least
one
person
has
found
that
the
raise
hand
function
can
be
found
in
the
participants
box.
So
you
can
find
on
the
menu
by
hovering
over
the
top
or
the
bottom
of
the
screen
and
then
clicking
on
that
participant,
Ike
icon.
When
the
box
opens
you'll,
see
that
raised
hand
button
and
so
I
will
rate.
A
I
will
call
on
folks
in
the
order
that
they've
raised
hands
and
then
I
will
unmute
them
and
you
can
and
then
you
can
start
speaking
Cindy
will
you
do
have
the
timer
on
the
screen
again
and
I'm,
going
to
ask
folks
to
someone
say
you
you
can
start
and
we
won't
be
sharing
video.
So
it
looks
like
we
have
at
least
three
I
know,
there's
another
that
expressed
interest
in
speaking
on
this
item,
but
we'll
start
with
John
and
I'm,
not
gonna
I'm,
going
to
probably
butcher
the
pronunciation
of
your
last
name.
S
S
I
have
a
few
points
to
make
so
I'll
speak
quickly.
The
first
one
I
believe
Lupita
touched
on
is
traffic
safety,
I
live
on
Stanford,
Avenue,
I,
guess,
West's
kind
of
uphill,
from
Stanford
Court
and
be
portion
of
Stanford
Court
adjacent
to
this
site,
and
the
apartments
is
fully
parked.
I
mean
it's
it's
it's
busy
there.
S
As
far
as
the
traffic
letter
that
was
referenced,
I
have,
in
my
profession,
reviewed
dozens
of
traffic
studies.
That's
not
a
traffic
study.
There
was
no
car
count.
Traffic
count.
Anything
like
that.
It's
just
assumptions.
I
know:
Shannon
touched
on
this
I
like
to
meet
me
some
weekday
at
7
a.m.
we
can
stand
at
the
corner
of
Stanford,
Court
and
Stanford
and
watch
all
the
traffic.
S
It
is
a
zoo
and
I,
don't
know
how
adding
more
traffic
is
gonna
help
and
again
there
needs
to
be
a
for
real
traffic
study
that
that's
just
kind
of
cute.
Secondly,
that
hasn't
been
addressed
tonight.
I
have
no
idea,
based
on
the
site
plans
prevented
presented
how
emergency
vehicles
are
going
to
properly
access
the
site
there.
There
seems
to
be
a
space
problem
if
you
want
to
try
to
bring
in
a
fire
truck,
but
that's
to
be
addressed.
I
guess.
S
Second,
I
understand
this
to
be
a
tax
credit
property
I've
worked
with
developers
on
many
tax,
credit
properties
and
sadly
often
when
the
tax
credit
runs
out.
So
do
the
restrictions
on
who
can
live
there
and
I
have
gotten
no
response
from
anyone's
pledging
to
encumber
or
restrict
the
property
for
senior
only
housing
and
or.
A
T
O
Dover
pipe
a
triangular
block
with
a
but
the
proposed
path
going
from
the
development
site
down
to
Dover,
and
we
really
appreciate
a
grateful
for
ian's
spending
time
a
couple
weeks
ago,
really
walking
us
through
the
development
process.
So
we
feel
like
we
know,
what's
going
on
and
we
can
black
hear
about
the
to
keep
the
landscape
to
the
north
wild.
O
One
thought
that
we
had
in
the
comment
was
that
folks
in
the
neighborhood
and
friends
of
ours
have
said
that
there
is
continuous,
a
couple
of
kind
of
dilapidated
slides
and
basically
recreational
equipment
back
there
for
kids.
It
actually
gets
some
use
from
the
community
and
we
have
an
18
month
old,
daughter,
I,
know,
there's
a
lot
of
other
families
in
the
neighborhoods
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
any
thought
had
been
given
to
dedicating.
U
U
Not
only
has
the
neighborhood
suffered
these
losses,
but
it's
now
left
with
the
possibility
of
68
cars
impacting
the
already
impossible
traffic
jams
on
Stanford,
Avenue
and
Table
Mesa
Drive.
A
three-story
building
will
only
take
away
privacy
from
the
surrounding
neighbors.
The
light
pollution
can,
from
continued
lighting
of
the
68
parking
spaces
throughout
the
night,
will
surely
impact
humans
and
Wildlife
alike.
U
The
truth
about
the
4.9
acres
is
that
only
about
1.2
acres
is
being
used
for
the
60
units
and
because
that's
because
of
this
severe
slope,
community
gardens
there
are
no
community
gardens
and
the
community
garden
they're
saying
will
only
be
used
by
the
residents
of
the
affordable
housing.
We
asked
about
this
and
we're
told
the
residents
will
not
want
us
to
come
around
so
the
playground
and
everything
has
been
abandoned
due
to
the
fact
that
the
land
is
not
being
maintained
at
all.
U
The
community
garden
is
completely
dead
because
we're
not
allowed
to
go
in
so
we've
suffered
a
lot
of
losses.
Surely
that
would
be
a
better
use
if
the
community
gardens
to
community
gardens
would
be
restored,
a
playground
would
put
in
safe
places
for
bicycles
and
picnics
and
family,
just
like
we
did
for
the
past
forty
some
years
and
we're
sorry
about
our
loss.
We're
definitely
for
affordable
housing,
but
this
is
not
the
place.
To
put
it
especially
when
it's
going
to
add
problems
to
the
already
burdened
neighborhood,
thank
you
for
listening
to
me.
V
You
just
following
up
on
a
couple
of
the
points
that
mr.
:
miss
Blaney
raised
in
general.
The
there
are
specific
concerns
with
respect
to
the
excessive
burden
on
neighborhood
infrastructure,
with
respect
to
safety,
especially,
and
what
these
all
really
boil
down
to
our
concerns
regarding
the
potential
detrimental
impacts
on
the
neighborhood
character
and
the
rezoning
of
the
project
site
was
was
done
in
October
2017.
V
Apparently,
it
was
specifically
to
allow
this
this
construction
and
what
I
think
the
majority
of
the
the
neighborhood
associations
members
are
concerned
about
is
about
the
the
you
know:
the
increased
density
which
abuts
less
dense
residential
zoning
on
three
sides,
and
you
know
mr.
croto
mentioned
that.
Yes,
it's
a
four
point,
nine
acre
site-
and
you
know
looking
at
the
looking
at
schedule,
8.1
and
the
boulder
revised
code.
V
You
know.
Arguably,
this
is
only
12
units
per
acre,
but
really,
if
they're
all
being
built
60
units
on
in
1.2
acres.
It
is
about
50
units
per
acre,
which
in
and
of
itself
is
you
know
in
the
association's
opinion,
is
contrary
to
the
to
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
smother
and
concerns
are
with
respect
to
increased
light
and
noise
pollution
are
with
respect
to
the
effect
on
wildlife,
ability
to
you,
know,
access
and
use
that
areas,
a
natural
corridor
and,
and
finally
I
heard
mr.
V
The
project,
as
it
is
currently
proposed
is,
is
likely
to
you
know,
significantly
increase
the
density
of
the
neighborhood,
significantly
worsen
the
traffic
problems
that
already
exists
in
the
area
and
well
we're
we're.
You
know
obviously
available
and
interested
in
this.
In
this
discussion
we
hope
it'll
be
an
ongoing
discussion
and
that.
A
L
You
go
I
would
love
to
contribute
to
the
rearranging
of
the
deck
chairs
on
the
Titanic.
A
builder's
planning
process,
but
I'm
not
going
to
I
would
suggest
the
North
next
building
is
kept
absolutely
but
I'm
not
going
to,
because
this
is
outrageous
that
you're
considering
more
housing.
You
have
not
been
to
by
Rush
University
101,
none
of
you,
you
want
listening
to
the
virus
at
all.
At
Frazier,
people
can't
walk
down
the
hallways.
L
They
can't
get
out
at
all
because
they're
on
a
higher
level,
the
balconies
Oh
unsightly
for
people
putting
bikes
and
storage
on
them.
You
know
this
is
this
is
not
good
housing
plan
for
seniors
multi-generational
housing
is
how
you
house
seniors,
you
don't
stick
them
somewhere
and
that's
done
all
over
Boulder
and
you're,
putting
it
up
as
fast
as
you
can,
with
lytec
funds,
with
federal
federal
tax
benefits,
because
the
federal
people
love
to
separate
people,
human
beings.
These
are
humans
that
need
to
live
around
multi-generation
their
whole
families.
L
You
know
we
that
you
have
to
build
every
time
you
build
a
high-end
place
because
the
high-end
places
to
go
up
and
up
and
up-
and
it's
not
going
to
change
and
I
learned
this
down
at
Hogan's
pan
cost
across
one
an
East
Boulder
rec
center.
When
this
one
guy
just
wants
to
remodel
this
house
a
little
bit
and
the
city
of
Boulder
says
you
want
to
annex
you
have
to
put
in
12
to
16
units.
This
is
asinine.
This
is
unacceptable.
L
L
B
L
G
Thanks
Jean,
thanks
for
managing
that
portion
of
the
hearing,
we're
closing
public
comment
and
we
are
taking
on
the
deliberation
component
of
the
public
hearing.
It's
749
I
would
suggest
that
if
we're
close
to
two
hours
close
enough
to
two
hours,
if
people
would
like
a
break,
we
can
take
five
minutes
now.
Okay,
so
let's
get
back
at
7:55
and
we'll
begin
deliberations.
G
G
B
G
The
general
guidelines
for
the
feedback
are
in
section
9
to
13
concept,
review
under
little
letter
G,
and
there
are
eight
eight
concepts,
eight
characteristics
or
guidelines
for
reviewing
concept,
plan
and
I.
Think
Shannon
and
staff
did
a
great
job
going
through
those
and
that's
kind
of
the
business
end
of
the
staff
report.
G
So
folks
should
pay
particular
attention
to
that
and
thinking
about
this
project
so
as
much
as
people
want
to
contribute
by
commenting
on
those
guidelines
for
a
review,
that's
welcomed,
but
I'm
gonna
focus
our
discussion
on
the
two
key
concepts
that
we
need
to
look
at
in
reviewing
the
project
or
the
concept
I
should
say
and
so
bring
it
as
much
of
those
criterias
you'd
like
to
during
this.
So
let's,
let's
start
talking
about
this
as
a
board.
G
I
hope
that
you
got
all
the
questions
that
you
needed
to
ask
answered
by
the
applicant
and
by
staff,
and
we
can
just
have
a
conversation
among
ourselves
here
and
deliberate.
So
the
first
issue
is:
is
the
proposed
concept
plan
compatible
with
the
goals,
objectives
and
recommendations,
the
boulder
valley,
comp
plan
and
I
will
take
hands.
G
G
H
H
J
I
agree
with
John
I'm
I
could
go
through
the
different
compound
or
the
criteria,
but
each
one
of
them
I
felt
the
criteria
were
met
in
many
ways.
I
did
add
one
criteria
to
my
list
from
2.41,
which
talks
about
enhanced
design
where
it
talks
about
how
buildings
should
be
designed
and
as
I
read
through
it
I
feel
that
it
meets
that,
but
I
also
kind
of
just
it
got
me
thinking
about
how
how
it
might
fit
into
the
area.
J
I
put
this
fabulous
building
behind
me
to
inspire
us
of
some
of
the
things
that
we
see
in
that
area.
So
I
do
like
what
I
see
with
regards
to
the
design
and
how
and
compatibility
with
the
neighborhood
but
I'm
sure
there'll
be
a
lot
of
interesting
talk.
Going
into
some
of
the
comments
on
design
that
were
made
today.
I
also
agree
with
staff
that
there
needs
to
be
a
little
work
on
the
transportation
connections.
J
I
will
reiterate
that
that
connector
down
to
the
east
is
great
interest,
because
I
can
imagine
the
residents
using
it
to
go
down
for
gatherings
in
Martin
Park.
It's
a
direct
connection
down
to
that.
Underpass
to
Martin
Park,
but
I
think
that
it
I
think
it
may
need
a
rail
and
it
may
need
improvements
and
I.
Don't
know
if
there's
funding
to
do
that,
but
I'd
be
really
interesting
to
hear
whether
that
could
be
improved.
J
I
thought
the
connection
down
to
Table,
Mesa
and
King
Soopers
area
is
not
bad.
The
sidewalks
are
okay,
those
intersections
are
kind
of
notoriously
weird,
but
but
I
I
think
that
that
in
general
it's
it's,
it's
pretty
good
connectivity
down
there
and
any
improvements
would
always
be
welcome.
That's
that's
my
take
on
the
BBK.
G
Great
I'm,
just
gonna,
say
I,
like
how
staff
keeps
us
on
our
toes
that
there's
there's
never
a
consistent
set
of
key
issues
that
are
exactly
the
same
and
this
staff
report.
The
the
business
end
of
the
concept
plan
is
really
when
we
address
key
issue
to
the
way
it's
been
written
for
us,
which
is,
with
the
project,
be
compatible
with
the
character
this
around
the
area,
our
architectural
and
site
design,
consistent
with
the
site,
review
criteria
in
terms
of
quality
and
compatibility
with
the
surrounding
neighborhoods.
G
K
Well,
in
terms
of
that
compliant
for
things
that
I
think
that
people
were
concerned
about
in
that
meeting
on
the
transportation
piece
on
the
transportation
in
the
congestion
piece
in
safety,
there
is
actually
right,
left,
I'm,
sorry,
I'm,
the
left.
You
know
west
of
that
intersection.
There
is
a
pedestrian
crossing
that
is
very
safe,
with
the
flashing
lights
right
across
from
the
library
and
I.
Don't
anybody
mentioned
it
and
I
think
it's
important,
because
that
really
will
play
an
important
role
for
this
community.
K
What
we
have
because
being
close
to
Martin
Park
is
is
provides
that
kind
of
opening,
but
we
also
have
another
Park
not
too
far
from
there,
that
it's
also
open
space
and
that's
I
just
wanted,
because
I
forgot
to
mention
that
earlier
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
more
amenities
there.
That
I
thought
about
earlier
great.
G
Ok,
so
does
anybody
have
anything
else
on
the
the
pure
comp
plan?
Compliance
key
issue
number
one
I
just
like
to
remind
folks
then,
before
we
move
on
to
key
issue
number
two,
that
when
we
went
through
the
comp
plan
update
in
2015-2017,
we
were
talking
about
affordable
housing
as
the
most
important
issue
facing
Boulder
and
a
subset
of
that
most
important
issue
was
affordable,
housing
for
seniors
I.
Think
people
were
talking
about.
G
The
silver
wave
was
the
term
that
I
was
being
used
and
that
we
had
to
be
prepared
for
that,
and
so
I
think
that
not
only
does
this
meet
the
comp
plan,
goals
and
policies
that
are
listed
in
the
staff
report,
but
also,
as
we
were
talking
about
particularly
community
benefit
and
what
we
wanted
to
see
in
terms
of
community
benefit
number
one
was
affordable,
housing
and
number
two
is
affordable.
Housing
for
seniors,
so
so
I
think
that
this
is
a
compatible
project
to
the
comp
plan
and
also
like
the.
G
Of
the
existing
architectural
well
I,
don't
know
if
it's
a
masterpiece,
but
it's
an
interesting
Church
and
I
like
the
the
fact
that
it's
being
preserved
so
and
that
you
know
that
speaks
to
neighborhood
character
in
the
preservation
thereof.
So,
let's
move
on
to
number
two
and
I
think
this
is
where
we
get
to
dig
in
to
more
than
just
compatibility
with
character,
but
people's
ideas
around
the
architectural
and
site
design
features
that
we
see
and
and
the
materials
and
so
forth
that
are
used.
G
I
Thirdly,
the
concerns
about
the
drive
aisle
along
the
South
property
line,
which
would
essentially
put
driveways
a
driveway
in
the
front
yard
of
the
individual
apartments
on
the
ground
floor
and
I'd
like
to
suggest-
and
this
was
probably
going
to
connect
with
Lisa's
concerns
about
points
about
parking
I,
would
suggest
actually
eliminating
the
Western
parking
lot
altogether.
I
believe
it
would
first
of
all
from
the
from
the
material
that
the
applicant
sent
to
us,
they
already
knew.
I
They
already
have
pretty
good
evidence
that
buildings
that
has
a
population
a
senior
population,
has
far
less
car
ownership,
which
means
I
think
we
could
probably
suggest
a
parking
reduction.
If
you
eliminated
the
Western
parking
lot
spots,
it
would
address
the
concern
about
the
drive
I
along
the
southern
edge
of
the
property.
It
would
allow
you
to
reduce
parking
altogether
and
it
would
possibly
allow
you
to
perhaps
extend
the
building
a
bit
and
reduce
the
height
a
bit
more,
maybe
fewer
apartments
on
the
third
floor
and
more
apartments
on
the
ground
level.
H
I
agree
with
everything
sarah
said
and
she
said
it
in
a
much
more
much
clearer
and
more
expressive
way
than
I
could
but
I'd
like
to
add
a
little
bit.
I
I
think
that
the
public
permeability
through
this
site
is
a
issue
and
I'm
delighted
that
the
applicant
is
committed
to
maintaining
and
enhancing.
That
I
would
like
to
see
that
formerly
prison
written
down
somewhere
to
make
sure
that
if
there's
a
change
of
ownership
or
some
something
of
that
nature,
that
the
public
access
and
the
path
through
this
site
is
maintained.
H
Neighbors
have
also
mentioned
that
there
used
to
be
a
playground
and
other
public
benefits
in
this
area
that
have
been
have
fallen
into
disrepair
or
disuse,
and
that's
something
that
that
the
applicant
may
want
to
consider
establishing
if
they
want
to
enhance
interaction
and
communication
with
the
with
the
neighborhood
in
general,
something
which
I
think
this
is
quite
desirable.
Given
the
that
this
is
senior
housing
and
there
are
other
attempts
to
ensure
that
there's
interaction
with
the
with
the
community
nearby.
H
The
the
other
main
thought
that
I
had
was
that
I
was
surprised
that
the
neighborhood
appeared
to
prefer
a
single
building
rather
than
several
smaller
buildings,
with
respect
to
the
massing
concerns,
and
it
may
well
be
that
that
was
what
those
who
showed
up
and
participated
in
the
neighborhood
did
desire.
But
I
would
also
be
thinking
that
it's
useful
if
the
applicant
were
to
reconsider
that
in
an
attempt
to
diminish
the
massing.
E
So
thank
you
for
it
to
the
other
plenty
of
board
members
for
what
you
already
covered.
I
wanted
to
touch
on
the
communities
based
on
community
room
simply
because
there
is
a
large
community
space
down
in
the
basement
of
the
George
Reynolds,
French
library,
wholefoods
I,
believe
is
now
gonna,
be
taking
over
Lucky's
market
and
I.
E
If
that's
truly
not,
maybe
it
is
needed,
I'm,
not
sure,
and
then
also
I
just
wanted
to
touch
I
guess
I
could
keep
talking
about
parking,
but
on
some
principles
a
little
bit.
I
would
just
be
curious.
What
kind
of
options
there
might
be
in
that
area,
for
you
know,
shared
unmanaged,
unbundled
managed
and
then,
if
not
paid,
perhaps
timed
you
know
so
when
I
think
about
the
daycare
and
when
that
would
be
used
and
one
that
they
would
need
it
versus
the
seniors
I,
just
wonder
what
we
could
do
with
street
parking.
E
J
Well,
I
actually
feel
they
feel
really
pretty
good
about
this
proposal
in
general.
From
from
what's
being
done
here
on
this
very
interesting
property,
it
does
present
some
challenges
and
I
feel
better
about
what
we're
seeing
now
than
the
one
that
was
withdrawn
a
few
years
ago.
As
far
as
I
can
remember,
I
really
love
the
way
the
terraces
create
that
connection
to
that
Overlook
over
the
hill.
There
I
love
the
idea
of
having
the
ability
for
people
who
come
up
that
path
to
pass
through
an
open
access
and
provide
some
community
aspects.
J
I
think
that
the
design
also
pulls
it
away
from
the
sanctuary
building
in
a
very
nice
way,
because
the
current
building,
that's
there
just
kind
of
blocks
it
and
that
sanctuary,
even
though
it's
a
pretty
big
building,
it's
very
low
and
it's
very
funky,
so
the
more
we
can
pull
stuff
kind
of
a
little
bit
away
from
there
and
create
some
interesting
terrace
space
between
and
highlight.
It.
I
think
that
the
way
that
the
drop-off
center
kind
of
allows
you
to
limbs
that
building
it's
an
improvement.
J
J
John
on
the
open
on
the
public
comment,
I
think
if
the
public
did
express
comfort
with
a
single
building
that
there
are
advantages
to
be
able
to
keep
their
of
all
the
building
together,
because
it
gives
you
the
ability
to
kind
of
play
with
the
open
space
around
it
rather
than
trying
to
break
it
up
too
much
so
so,
I
I,
don't
know
Jimmy
I'm
to
me,
I,
don't
feel
like
the
massing
is
unreasonable
or
the
single
building
solution
is
really
inappropriate,
but
there
were
good
comments
made
on
that.
So
I
mean
you
know.
J
J
Let's
see,
I
think
that
the
this
kind
of
project
is
very
appropriate
for
this
kind
of
an
area
where
you're
transitioning
from
your
business
center.
We
call
it
like
the
string
of
pearls
concept
where
we
have
this
business
center
at
Table
Mesa
in
Broadway,
and
when
we
have
good
transit
and
good
services,
it's
nice
to
have
somewhat
denser
and
pop.
You
know
serving
a
very
needed
segment
of
our
society.
J
Our
aging
population,
so
I
think
that
that
also
is
a
huge
advantage
of
this
location
and
I
think
it
will
be
an
asset
to
the
neighborhood
and
I
always
point
out
with
with
with
aged
communities.
You
don't
get
that
same
traffic
pattern.
People
don't
leave
and
come
home
at
rush
hour
in
the
same
way,
usually
so
that
can
be
an
advantage.
J
K
Sara
proposed
I
think
it'd,
give
us
a
great
opportunity
to
maybe
provide
some
of
that
space
for
a
community
garden
that
can
be
shared
with
the
nearby
community
and
therefore
being
people
together
and
incorporate
these
two
communities.
Now,
as
I
mentioned,
we
do
have
two
parks
fairly
near
one
is
an
Martin
Park
and
we
also
help
I
always
have
to
look
up
the
name,
because
it
is
a
bill.
Boyer
part
not
too
far
from
there
and
it
does
have
playgrounds.
K
Open
space
is
really
nice
right
across
the
summer
and
the
poorest,
which
was
my
parish
for
a
long
time,
and
so
in
terms
of
the
space
that
that
I
think
we're
looking
at
I.
Think
of
increasing
community
benefit
will
be
by
incorporating
this
new
community
into
the
existing
community,
and
potentially
the
community
gardens
will
be
one
one
two
we
can
use
to
do
that
and
I
really
like
the
idea
of
providing
affordable
housing
for
this
for
this
specific
community.
E
One
quick
thing:
I
just
wanted
to
say
how
much
I
appreciate
coupling
the
daycare
and
having
small
children
adjacent
to
the
senior
facility.
I,
think
that's
such
a
wonderful
thing
and
from
what
I
know
of
other
examples
about
it
can
be
really
effective
as
far
as
volunteering
or
part-time
jobs
and
it's
just
a
a
nice
combination.
I
agree.
G
That's
great
so
I'm
gonna
jump
in
and
give
my
feedback.
So
as
far
as
design
I
love
the
open
frame,
superstructure
concept
in
the
drop-off
area.
I
would
recommend
that
the
architects
match
the
angles
to
the
buttresses
that
are
coming
out
of
the
roof
of
the
sanctuary.
If
you
already
haven't
done
that,
just
as
a
tip
of
the
cap
to
the
architecture,
you're,
preserving
and
I
think
the
I
of
the
you
know,
the
passerby
is
gonna
notice.
G
You
know
people,
people
have
amazing
abilities
to
see
angles,
that's
why
we
can
play
billiards
and
actually
put
balls
in
pockets,
because
we
can
do
that
and
so
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
thing
to
do.
Architectural
II,
the
North
elevation
with
its
shade
structures,
the
wall
articulation.
Actually
the
wall
articulation
is
a
nice
feature
on
the
south
side
of
the
building,
and
the
use
of
the
materials
on
the
north
side
is
particularly
good.
I,
especially
like
the
large
picture
windows
on
the
top
floor.
G
I
think
that's
a
bold
statement
there
and
and
would
make
for
some
amazing
views
from
the
unit's.
It's
a
it's
a
bold
design,
but
it's
handsome
and
it's
elegant.
At
the
same
time.
That's
a
nice
combination,
I
think
it's
it's
a
great
job
that
you
got
the
building
under
the
buyer.
Ride
height
limit
it's
a
very
creative
use
of
the
slope
on
the
different
levels
rather
than
seeing
the
slope
is
an
obstacle
to
design.
It's
been
incorporated.
G
Well,
I
appreciated
the
applicants
answer
regarding
the
reason
for
preferring
better
communal,
open
space
over
individual
balconies,
but
I
liked
the
flexibility
of
potentially
having
the
Juliet
balconies.
So
people
can
get
their
windows
open
and
stand
outside
or
have
sliding
doors
and
get
outside,
even
if
it's
just
a
little
bit
and
I
do
agree
with
the
public
member
John
Cowles
comments
about
crossing
in
traffic
at
that
area
along
Table
Mesa,
but
I
also
echo
with
pizza
that
there
are
crosswalks
at
Stanford,
Avenue
and
and
the
next
Street
to
the
west.
G
A
Stanford
alum
Table
Mesa
as
well,
might
want
to
consider
adding
some
additional
pedestrian
infrastructure
beyond
just
blinking
yellow
lights.
Those
are
some
tired,
old,
zebra
intersections
and
maybe
different
materials
too,
to
denote
that
there's
a
public
space
for
pedestrians
walking
across
the
street.
You
know
some
other
form
of
traffic
calming
to
get
cars
to
slow
down
because
they
really
are
throttling
off
the
hill
at
that
point
and
it's
hard
to
cross
as
a
pedestrian
there.
G
K
The
West
it,
but
it's
not
even
up,
is
not
a
block.
It's
like
half
a
block.
You
can
see
it,
so
the
intersection
is
a
problematic,
mostly
for
drivers,
because
when
you
have
traffic
you
know
you
can
take
a
long
time
in
making
left
turns,
but
for
the
for
the
pedestrians
there
is
a
safe
alternative.
Just
I
don't
know
50
yards
some
they're,
not
even
okay,.
G
H
G
That
but
you
weren't
the
only
one
who
mentioned
that
so
I
I
think
I
would
probably
just
stand
by
what
a
what
I
mentioned.
That
thanks
for
for
clarifying
your
position,
I
think
there
was
probably
the
the
most
agreement
among
the
Planning
Board
as
to
that.
We
would
be
comfortable
with
a
parking
reduction
and
potentially
even
the
elimination
of
the
Western
parking
lot.
G
If
the
applicant
can
show
that
that's
a
workable
solution,
because
it
would
allow
for
a
little
more
site
flexibility
and
and
and
would
meet
our
goals
of
trying
to
reduce
surface
parking
in
the
city,
especially
for
a
population
that
generally
doesn't
need
as
much
parking
Sarah
wasn't
echoed
by
others
when
she
suggested
swapping
the
location
of
the
garden
and
the
parking
area,
but
I
think
having
open
space
and
gardening
area
right
next
to
the
building.
So
people
don't
have
to
walk
across
a
lot
to
the
extent
that
that's
feasible
is
a
sensible
idea.
G
John
was
was
focusing
a
lot
on
permeability
in
public
access
and
I.
Think
that
brings
us
to
a
sentiment
that
we
heard
from
a
few
Planning
Board
members
and
many
members
of
the
public,
which
is
just
that
the
public
would
like
to
see
that
this
project
provide
some
amenity
for
what
they're
losing.
Now
you
know
we
hear
oftentimes,
we
hear
members
of
the
public
consider
private
property
as
a
public
amenity,
and
then
a
new
owner
comes
along
and
says
yeah,
but
I
don't
have
any
obligation
and
I
think
to
a
large
extent.
G
That
is
legally
true,
but
you
know
we're
a
where
a
building
has
been
a
public
use
like
a
church
for
many
years
for
40
years.
You
know
it
or
more
actually,
at
a
it,
sometimes
will
help
to
integrate
a
project
into
the
neighborhood
by
continuing
some
of
the
traditions,
and
we
would
invite
you
to
look
at
that.
So
if,
if
that's
a
reasonable
summing
up,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
the
applicant
for
rebuttal
or
comment.
P
Great
well
thank
thanks.
So
much
members
of
the
Planning
Board
I
think
that
was
very,
very
valuable
feedback
for
us,
and
certainly
we
will
go
back
and
look
at
all
of
those
things
and
kind
of
think
through
some
options.
So
I
did
also
just
want
to
quickly
mention
that
came
up
in
the
public
comment
about
permanent
affordability
and
just
be
clear
for
public
and
members
of
the
Planning
Board.
This
would
permanently
affordable,
permanently
senior.
P
That
is
be
HP's
commitment
at
all
our
projects
and
it's
actually
a
requirement
of
any
kind
of
city,
affordable
housing
funding,
so
just
want
to
make
that
clear
to
the
to
the
board
and
public
on
that,
but
creation
yeah,
absolutely
otherwise.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
the
comments
and
JB
after
you
had
anything
just.
Q
Thank
you
very
much.
We
appreciate
the
the
feedback
we
we
do
want
to
continue
to
have
our
process
be
really
tightly
woven
with
the
neighborhood
and
continue
to
get
their
feedback
as
well,
and
it's
it's
good
to
get
feedback
from
other
people
in
the
community.
That
may
not
be
immediately
adjacent
to
the
site,
and
so
we
appreciate
your
looking
at
the
project
and
giving
giving
us
your
thoughts
tonight.
I
So
so,
when
I
went
to
visit
the
site
earlier
this
week,
I
was
cognizant
of
how
actually
noisy
the
site
is.
There's
a
lot
of
no
traffic
noise
coming
up
from
Broadway
and
I,
think
it's
Broadway,
yeah,
Broadway
and
maybe
also
Table
Mesa
I'm.
Just
cognizant
is
a
lot
of
traffic
noise
and
it
would
be
interesting
to
think
about
how
landscaping
to
the
east
edge
of
the
lot
of
the
parcel
might
serve
to
muffle.
Some
of
that
sound
a
bit
and
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
on
the
table.
E
Other
quick
thing
that
occurred
to
me,
that
might
also
be
a
neighborhood
benefit,
are
good.
That
I
know,
happens
and
I
think
it
covers
a
couple
spots
across
the
street
and
King
Soopers
parking
lot
would
be
pool
cars
or
car
share,
so
looking
at
other
ways
to
kind
of
defray
the
need
for
more
spots
and
then
maybe
also
being
able
to
share
some
of
those
with
the
neighborhood
might
kind
of
kill
two
birds
with
one
stone.
G
G
J
Yeah
I,
since
you
were
busy
in
a
meeting,
I
did
go
ahead
and
and
basically
I,
just
structured
it
into
the
two
key
issues
and
I
tried.
I
did
my
best
to
try
to
hopefully
get
across.
I
did
talk
about
the
2018
and
what
we
had
recommended
then,
but
I,
but
thanks
for
clarifying
that
with
City
Council
as
well
John
just
trying
to
give
them
a
feel
for
our
discussion
and
that
we
didn't
vote
on
anything.
But
we
had
opinion.
J
You
know
general
support
with
the
exception
I'm,
certainly
if
John's
opinion
for
the
100
year,
Varian
one
should
they
choose
to
go
forward
with
that
from
a
guiding
principle
perspective
and
I
also
put
in
a
little
plug
to
getting
to
the
annexation
concepts,
which
will
have
a
very
key
role
in
helping
with
so
and
also
as
Lisa
mentioned
earlier.
There
was
a
lot
of
interest
from
other
boards
and
also
the
City
Council
in
the
emergency
alert
system
comments.
So
that
was
good
as
well.
I
want.
G
To
thank
you
for
taking
on
that
that
the
task,
and
going
and
spending
your
Tuesday
night
with
city
council
on
our
behalf.
Thank
you.
David
thanks.
Any
other
planning
board
matters.
Okay!
Well,
one
of
the
things
I
know
we're
going
to
talk
about.
Is
our
agenda
for
our
our
retreat,
so
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Cindy
for
matters
from
the
department.
C
Okay,
well,
as
you
know,
our
retreat
date
has
been
changed
to
July
6th
232,
6
and
dr.
Carolyn.
Love
is
going
to
a
attend,
she's
gonna,
be
with
us
for
about
an
hour
and
a
half
hour
hour
and
a
half
whatever
you
think
we
need,
and
the
David
was
so
kind
to
send
me
a
couple
retreat
topics.
Oh,
did
you
all
get
your
books
not.
C
Okay
and
then
we
could
do
a
color
of
law
discussion,
which
is
the
book.
David
also
said:
Planning
Department
status
of
the
organization,
staffing
challenges,
capacity
for
future
work
plan
items
and
then
another
item
would
could
be
review
planning
board
meeting
conduct
anything
we
may
need
to
brush
up
on
so
any
other
topics
that
y'all
might
Lupita.
K
Yeah,
given
that
really
have
homework
for
reading
the
book-
oh
my
god,
I've
been
paying
so
much
I
will
be
very
interested
in
seeing
how
our
own
city
has
evolved
with
regard
to
redlining
and
also
where
we
going
with
all
this
affordable
housing
projects
that
we
are
in
the
process
of
you
know
seen
come
to
life,
hopefully
to
see
if
we
are
seeing.
You
know,
improvement.
I
Love
an
update
from
staff
about
the
opportunity
zone.
My
my
recollection
from
when
it
was
first
approved,
is
that
there
was
some
like
an
18-month
window
for
for
property
owners
or
I.
Can't
quite
remember.
Now
it's
been
a
while,
but
it
would
really
be
helpful.
I
think
to
have
an
update.
Both
what's
happened
from
a
policy
perspective
on
the
national
level
and
what
is
happening
on
the
city
level.
G
So
I'm
gonna
just
jump
in
for
a
second
and
say
that
generally
topics
like
the
last
two
that
have
just
been
mentioned
for,
for
you
know,
updates
on
the
inclusionary
housing
program
status
or
the
opportunity
zone.
Those
are
things
that
we
can
easily
do
in
a
public
hearing.
We
do
you
know.
Staff
makes
a
presentation
to
us
on
housing.
101
we've
had
you
know.
G
In
my
time
of
the
Planning
Board
we've
had
multiple
updates
on
how
we're
doing
on
the
affordable
housing
ih
program,
so
I
think
what
we
want
to
use
the
retreat
for
is
talking
about
things
amongst
ourselves
that
we
wouldn't
want
to
normally
have
a
public
hearing
about
so
things
like
the
functioning
of
the
Planning
Board
or
you
know
how
to
make
motions
or
how
we're
doing
with
with
our
meeting
process
and
stuff.
Those
are
things
we
don't
want
to
put.
G
I
Then,
let's
make
sure
that
one
of
the
things
we
talked
about
it,
Planning
Board,
is
what
are
the
things
we
would
like
to
have
one
of
the
issues
we'd
like
to
have
come
before
us
for
a
public
meeting.
We
had
a
long
list
last
year
and
I,
don't
know
how
many
of
them
we
actually
ticked
off.
So
let's
make
sure
that
at
our
meeting
on
the
6th
of
July,
we
pull
together
our
list
for
this
coming.
What's
left
of
this
year,.
G
Ok-
and
it
would
also
be
perfectly
appropriate
in
a
public
hearing
for
us
to
bring
it
up
in
matters
where
a
Planning
Board
member
is
free
to
say
you
know
you
can
say:
I
want
to
have
a
conversation
and
matters
Harmon.
You
know.
Maybe
we
can
cue
that
up
so
that
we
can
have
a
Mathers
conversation
regarding
what
kind
of
public
what
kind
of
presentations
we
want
to
see
from
staff
about
status,
updates
and
explanatory
kinds
of
agenda
items
like
the
housing
101
or
what
what
the
status
the
o-z
is
and
stuff
like
that.
G
D
K
Respectfully,
disagree
because
if
we're
gonna
be
going
through
the
trouble
reading
a
thick
book,
I
would
like
to
have
you
know
a
discussion
or
something
that
are
very
pertinent
to
our
city.
So
at
the
very
least
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
see
how
we're
making
any
progress
or
not
making
progress
for
our
own
case.
This
is
like
doing
homework
and
then
giving
a
problem
not
relate
to
the
horn.
So
that's
just
my
own
perspective.
K
I
would
really
like
to
see
if,
if,
if
we
are
anywhere-
and
that's
a
just
for
that
one-
I
can
only
speak
to
mine,
but
that
to
me
I
will
not
read
the
book.
If
I'm
we're
not
gonna
go
see.
If
I'm
not
gonna,
see
what
see
you,
I
mean
I'll,
see
you,
but
all
that
has
been
doing.
I'm
not
gonna
read
it.
I'm
thinking.
T
T
B
T
T
We
would
be
able
to
give
something
like
that
in
the
future,
depending
on
the
scope
of
it,
certainly
something
sometime
this
year,
but
we
would
probably
need
at
least
a
couple
of
months
at
a
minimum
to
tack
to
tackle
that
subject
fully,
but
we
can
give
an
update
on
where
we
stand
with
with
projects
in
the
pipeline.
We
can
give
updates
on
the
demographics
of
the
people
who
live
in
our
affordable
housing.
K
So
that's
kind
of
like
what
I
was
hoping
for
some
some
basic
understanding
of
where
we
are
because
you
know
when
we
went
on
the
and
the
tour
of
affordable
housing
I
got
impression
that
we
are
really
working
on
it
and
whenever
we
have
the
discussions
like
projects
like
today,
we
know
that
we've
been
proactive.
I
just
would
like
to
see
how
that
is
and
I
think
it
will
help.
K
E
To
also
add
an
ID
I
need
to
pull
up
the
slides
to
review
them,
but
Amy
Kane
has
been
working
on
this
stuff
for
the
city
specifically
and
did
a
really
nice
presentation
that
she
already
had
the
slides
for
which
may
have
some
overlap
here.
That's
part
of
my
onboarding
process
for
the
planning
board
and
for
other
people
joining
city
boards.
E
But
if
you'd
like
to
have
me
moderate,
the
book
discussion
portion
I'd
be
happy
to
do
that.
I
was
an
English
major,
so
I
can
do
this.
Til
the
cows
come
home.
You
know
so
I,
don't
know
if
we'd
like
to
have
someone
kind
of
leading
us
through
that.
Not
necessarily
directing
the
conversation
but
making
sure
everyone
gets
to
weigh
in
and
kind
of
offering
some
thought
points
if
we
need
them.
Harmon
I,
don't
know
if
you
already
had
your
heart
set
on
that
or.
G
So
you
know
to
the
extent
that
your
idea
is
just
to
try
to
prod
the
discussion,
along
with
some
interesting
questions
that
you
think
get
to
the
heart
of
what
the
book
means
and
how
you
know
it.
We
can
conceptualize
it
for
what
we're
doing.
I'd
love
it.
If
you
would
take
that
on.
That
would
be
great
great.
E
Yeah
and
I
can
maybe
look
at
those
lights
from
Amy
and
try
to
look
at
that
and
then
I
also
know
Boulder
Public
Library
has
been
posting
some
amazing
stuff
on
social
media
recently,
but
highlights
just
different
things
with
black
and
indigenous
people
of
color
in
Boulder.
So
I
can
look
at
that
and
try
to
put
together
like
some
kind
of
interesting
stuff,
while
still
keeping
it
within
that
time
frame
in
them
providing
a
review
discussion.
What.
G
K
I
really
just
think
it
would
be
an
effective
way
of
adding
a
little
bit
to
the
book
discussion
and
make
it
contextual
to
our
own
City,
and
you
know
it
doesn't
have
to
be
very
long,
but
I
think
that
it
would
be
a
missed
opportunity
if
we
don't
capitalize
on
that
on
the
fact
that
we
already
in
that
topic
and
we
have
read
something
to
connect
and
then
we
can
move
on.
Thank
you.
So
much
I
appreciate
everybody.
I
So
my
recollection
in
our
retreat
last
year,
was
that
Kurt
actually
presented
based
on
research.
You
had
already
done,
and
rather
than
asking
you
to
do
additional
research.
If
you
had
drafted
written,
pulled
up
him
written
up
a
memo
last
year
or
sometime
in
the
last
couple
of
years
that
captured
the
knowledge
that
you
generated,
as
you
were
doing
the
research
originally.
That
would
also
be
a
helpful
contextualizing
document
if
such
a
thing
exists
and
doesn't
necessarily
require
more
work
except
kidding,
send
to
us,
you
know
sending
us
a
document.
Oh.
T
G
I
have
okay,
yeah
I.
Remember
when
you
know
a
lot
of
what
you,
what
we
had
asked
you
to
do
last
year
was
to
really
personalize
it
as
somebody
who's,
an
affordable
housing
provider.
So
you
know
to
the
extent
that
that
was
about
you
and
and,
and
we
got
to
you
know,
get
a
window
into
the
passion
behind.
You
know
what
drives
you
in
the
city
to
produce
all
this
affordable
housing.
You
know
that
that
might
not
be
the
kind
of
thing
that
you
can
just
share
with
us.
G
I
I
G
K
You
know
it's
interesting.
We
have
an
opportunity
to.
Maybe
this
customer
was
happening
in
the
country,
including
these
two
big
issues
we've
been
dealing
with
one
there's
a
pandemic
and
how
cities
around
the
country
are
responding
to
this
challenge,
and
in
our
own
case,
like
today,
with
regarding
to
the
vulnerable
population
that
is
gonna
be
served
by
this
new
project
may
be
an
opportunity
for
us
to
speak
about
that,
and
the
other
big
issue
is
the
whole
anti-racism
process
that
we
had
and
we
have
had
him
and
Boulder
regularly
in
the
last
few
weeks.
K
K
J
Peter,
that's
a
really
kind
of
a
vision
that
I
had
around
me.
I
know
it
takes
a
while
to
read
a
book
and
to
get
ready
for
this,
but
I
think
that
the
time
were
in
gives
us
an
unusual
opportunity
to
examine
things
that
we
weren't
aware
were
implicitly
biases
and
things
that
we
operate
under
and
the
zoning
laws
that
were
being
asked
to
uphold
how
you
know
what.
I
J
G
I
This
reminds
me
Lupita
and
I
had
a
conversation
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
Very
specifically,
what
David's
talking
about,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
were
interested
in
in
discussing
or
learning
about,
is
how
the
city
can
generate
or
or
begin
to
develop
more
for
sale
permanently,
affordable
housing
as
a
way
to
begin
to
look
to
move
the
ad
to
moving
the
needle
on
asset
development
among
lower-income,
moderate
income,
families
or
individuals.
I
J
Yeah
I
was
just
thinking
if
we
wanted
to
try
to
do
some
standard
brush-up
tasks.
Well,
one
the
first
one
is
actually
not
just
a
brush-up
task,
it
would
be
Charles
I,
don't
know
how
much
planning
board
should
be
aware
of
the
stressors
the
staff
is
experiencing
during
the
staff
reductions
and
the
kinds
of
things
that
we
can
do
to
make
things
you
know
to
to
work
best
with
you
during
that.
So
I
thought
a
state
of
the
planning
department
segment
might
be
useful
from
both
of
our
side.
B
J
J
So
I
don't
know,
I
feel
pretty
comfortable
with
motion
making
and
things
like
that,
but
you
know
I
I
figured
there
might
be
folks
who
didn't
who
wanted
a
little
bit
of
a
brush
up
on
some
of
that.
Do
we
want
to
review
quasi-judicial
things
that
kind
of
stuff,
or
if
people
are
comfortable?
Maybe
we
can.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
anything
you'd
like
to
hear
from
hello
or
any
legal
stuff.
G
In
the
past,
what
we've
done
we've
talked
about,
you
know
planning
boards
functioning
how
to
make
a
motion.
You
know
what
kind
of
questions
we
asked
at
what
point
in
the
meeting,
how
how
to
deliberate
stuff?
Like
that,
you
know
we
we've
given
a
lot
of
time.
You
know
that's
been
a
30
minute,
45
minute,
an
hour,
long
kind
of
discussion
there.
It
becomes
pretty
interesting,
pretty
quick,
too
planning
board
members
typically,
and
there
ends
up
being
a
lot
of
conversation
around
that.
G
So,
if
we're
gonna
pick
that
item
up
I
think
it's
gonna
be
hard
to
keep
that
less
than
a
half
an
out
and
I.
Think
it's
a
great
great
idea,
because
it's
what
we
do
and
we
don't
practice
we
just
we
just
get
out
and
play-
and
you
know
we
never
do
anything
like
the
fundamentals
in
the
public
hearing,
so
good,
getting
back
to
the
fundamentals,
a
good
thing,
so
I
I'm
gonna
propose
that
if
we
do
an
hour
and
a
half
with
dr.
G
love-
and
we
do
an
hour
to
go
over
the
book-
we
you
know
because
the
the
public
discussion
could
be
pretty
wide-ranging
and
I-
think
that
it's
gonna
incorporate
a
lot
of
thoughts.
So
we
leave
it.
If
that
leaves
an
hour,
we
spend
half
of
it
on
planning.
Words
functioning
now
we're
down
to
a
half
an
hour
and
we
spend
15
minutes
on
the
state
of
the
Department
of
the
work
program.
G
That
leaves
us
15
minutes
and
we
could
use
that
15
minutes,
for
you
know
something
like
Sarah's
idea
about
kicking
around
ideas
for
how
we
we
foment
additional,
affordable
ownership
opportunities
for
people
which
ties
in
pretty
well
to
the
book.
We're
reading
and
that's
the
three
and
a
half
hours
guys
right
there
or
you
know,
maybe
pick
another
15
minutes
topic
for
fun.
I
mean
one
of
the
one
of
the
other
ideas
that
I
had
listening
to.
G
People
was
as
we
we,
you
know,
we're
we're
operating
under
the
zoning
code,
where
forcing
the
zoning
code
as
planning
board
members.
And
how
do
we
feel
about
that?
Given
the
role
that
that
code
has
in
perpetuating
certain
undesirable
status?
Quos-
and
you
know-
maybe
we
could
each
come
in
with
a
provision
in
the
older
city,
revised
code
that
we
think
perpetuates
that
outcomes
and-
and
we
want
to
share.
G
J
G
B
E
Wonder
perhaps
if
it's
an
optional
thing
so,
as
as
people
are
reading
through
the
book
and
thinking
about
the
discussion
and
coming
in
if
that
bubbles
up
for
you,
you
know
a
certain
part
of
our
existing
code,
you
want
to
bring
forward
into
the
discussion,
then
bring
that
as
one
of
the
things
you
want
to
talk
about,
but
not
necessarily
that
everybody
has
to
bring
an
item
of
the
code.
If
that
makes
sense,
you
know
so
for
it
to
be
an
invitation
to
discussion,
but
we
don't
each
have
to
feel
like.
R
K
As
you
were
saying,
this
I
I
think
it's
great
when
we
really
need
to
have
some
sort
of
like
a
mission,
because
usually
when
I
read
things
I'm,
always
looking
for
the
feast.
This
is
why
the
most
important
saying-
and
so
it
helps
if
you
have
some
sort
of
interest
additional
to
what
you're
learning
to
connect
it
so
I.
What
I
will
say
is
that
the
15
minutes
on
necessarily
have
to
come
at
the
end
of
the
day.
It
may
be
more
appropriate
to
have
it
following
the
discussion.
K
Oh,
it
was
part
of
the
discussion
of
the
book,
because
I
will
be
more
integrated,
so
I
think
that
we
put
in
topics
that
I
really
go
well
together,
because
there's
some
we're
all
related
and
so
I
don't
know
who's
gonna
put
the
schedules.
You
know
what
topic
was
good.
Why?
But
I
I
think
that
if
just
make
sure
that
all
the
topics
are
going
to
be
covered,
then
maybe
we
shuffle
in
the
order
or
two
to
make
it
more
effective,
maybe
maybe
something
to
keep
in
mind.
Well,.
G
C
G
So
so,
do
people
feel
more
inclined
to
here's
another
idea
to
expand
the
book
discussion
to
an
hour
and
15
minutes
to
give
us
more
time
to
bring
in
those
code
issues
or
keep
it
in
an
hour
and
spend
15
minutes.
Talking
about
the
idea
that
Sara
and
Lupita
we're
talking
about
about
additional
opportunities
for
affordable,
homeownership.
G
I
To
least
this
point
that
as
you're
reading
through
the
book
ideas
emerge,
which
is
exactly
what
they
should
should
happen,
is
that
your
knowledge
as
a
planning
board
member
mesh
with
what
we're
reading
and
we
can
put
those
on
the
table
during
the
conversation
and
I
mean
in
fact
I'm
about
a
third
of
the
way
through
the
book?
At
this
point,
and
it
was
the
idea
for
how
do
we
increase
access
to
to
affordable
housing
for
sale
that
emerged
from
the
commerce
from
what
I've
been
reading
in
the
book?
I
K
J
G
So
I
think
we're
out
to
a
4/4
agenda
item
agenda,
which
is
dr.
love
hour
and
a
half
an
hour
and
15
on
the
book
discussion,
which
can
incorporate
the
ideas
that
we
just
brought
up:
15
minutes
from
Charles
on
the
the
state
of
the
staff
and
the
department
and
the
work
plan
and
half
an
hour
from
hello.
What
shall
I
be
happy
to
to
tag-team
that
with
you
on
planning
board
conduct
and
meeting
procedures.
W
Yeah
I
can
take
that
item.
If
you
have
particular
things
that
you
want
me
to
talk
about,
it
sounds
like
maybe
motions
practice.
I,
don't
know
differences
between
quasi
judicial
and
legislative
items
or
conflict
issues
that
kind
of
stuff,
let
me
know
otherwise,
I
may
just
pick,
because
we
probably
can't.
G
Catch
you
offline,
you
know,
I
know
in
the
past.
We
we've
done
it
where
you've
shared
the
you
shared
that
item
with
John
Putnam,
for
example,
and
so
it
becomes
a
conversation,
not
just
a
not
just.
You
know,
in
education
for
planning
board
members,
but
also
a
conversation
among
planning
board
members
about
how
we're
working
together.
Okay,.
G
F
G
C
I
No,
it
wasn't
a
retreat
in
August.
It
was
a
excuse,
me
recess,
a
recess
in
August,
just
so
just
so
that
we
know
that
we
have
two
weeks
or
three
weeks
or
whatever.
The
timeframe
is
when
we
there's
no
like
there's
no
possibility
that
we're
gonna
get
an
email
from
Cindy
that
says:
hey
who's
available
for
a
planning
board
meeting
I
realized
that
things
are
delayed
because
we
were
shut
down
for
a
couple
of
months.