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City of Boulder Planning Board Meeting - 8-20-20

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, everybody, sarah.. We good this time. okay, thanks everybody for your patience.. I'm harmon supplement chairman of the boulder planning board.. This is the meeting of thursday, august 20 2020.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : meant to begin at five.. It's 509. We have a full quorum all planning board members in attendance and call this meeting to order and.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : and before we get to any substantive matters.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. I wanted to remind members of the public how important it is that everyone.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, everyone fill out your census form the census,, the united states census happens every 10 years., it's actually a.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : requirement of the constitution and do your constitutional duty do it for yourself., do it for america and do it for the representation that boulder will receive when you're counted., so there's still time to fill out your census form, and I highly recommend that you do it.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : with that,, I'm going to jump to our first matter, which is approval of minutes.. We have.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, we should jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:. We should go through that. We need to go through the rules.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : oh,. You want to do the rules. okay. jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her:, yep,, sure., harmon, zuckerman,, pb :, I'm going to turn it over to jane. gotcha.

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harmon, zuckerman,, pb, : and gina's is been great running our meetings and really appreciate it. and she's going to go through with cindy's help the rules for online meetings. thanks jane.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her:, very good. cindy,. If you wouldn't mind putting the slides up, we'll go through those real quick.

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Lupita d, montoy, pb:: what do you guys do that? Just when I mentioned to harmon, that he might want to turn on the light in his room is very dark.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, I think I'll, just harmon zuckerman,, pb :, maybe I'll just put my kids down because actually my lights, on.

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Lupita d montoy, pb: oh, it is. ok., yeah., yeah.,.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: okay,, can folks see the screens.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: welcome and thank you for being here.. We really appreciate everyone tuning in for the planning board meeting, and we're glad that you're here.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, we are aiming to keep these meetings respectful and orderly, and as such we have the following protocol: that's applied to all of the board meetings throughout the city.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, the meeting is called for the business of the city of boulder and any activities to disrupt this layer.. This delay or otherwise interfere are prohibited.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: and hence,, all of the rest of the rules,. There are very specific times for speaking and asking questions, just like we would be if we were gathered in council chambers.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her:, the people, no person to speak and most recognized, and so that's a little bit. Why you're, seeing only the video on for board members and staff members who are speaking right, now.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: we're asking that no one else have their video on.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: members of the public, or not for the open comment you were doing voice testimony only.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: now, and jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, let's see,, there's.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: I, when we get to the public hearing,, we will be using the raise hand, function. and I'll go through those steps. more specifically,. Once we get to that, as I mentioned, no video permitted, except for the board members and staff and invited speakers.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, I will be moderating the this meeting and enforcing the rules, as will harm in the chair.. But we look to everyone to help out and to make sure that we are orderly and respectful.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, as I mentioned before,, but some folks may not have been on yet the chat function is really just about technical issues.. So if you're having any kind of technical issue or having trouble with the raise hand.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, you can feel free to chat. cindy and I are are paying attention to that for those technical issues,. But this is not a place for content.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: and then only the staff members will be sharing screen during the meeting.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, alright, I think with that, I'll go through a few other things with the public hearing when we get to it.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: harmon, back to you.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay. harmon zuckerman,, pb, :, great., harmon, zuckerman,, pb : back to the agenda,. I think our first order of business is approval of minutes, and we have the 716 draft minutes.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, which have been provided by cindy with all of our changes, incorporated.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. Does anybody have any item. they want to discuss about the minutes, or can I call the question.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, or should you make a motion, sorry.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : I'll entertain a motion to approve the minutes. John.

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John gerstle, pb: I'll move to approve them.

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harmon zuckerman,, pb :, and I get a second with peta montoya's going to second, and the motion of the board has to approve the minutes from 716 2020.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : call the boat david einstein.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : said I raised his hand. peter vitaly.

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I harmon zuckerman, pb :, sarah silver.

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Sarah silver pb: hi.

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Lisa smith, pb: lisa smith, I harmon zuckerman, pb : john crystal., john gerstle,, pb:, all right. harmon, zuckerman,, pb :. I love pizza. My entire.

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Lupita d, montoy, pb:: I.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : and I will vote. I. so the minutes are approved, seven to nothing.. The next order of business is public participation.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. This is the point in the planning board meeting where any member of the public is entitled to ask for three minutes to speak about any topic: that's not on the agenda for public hearing items tonight.. So if you see the.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : item that you want to speak to on the public hearing agenda, you know, you'll need to wait until public comment on that particular agenda item,. But if you have a comment, that's a general comment. You can make it now.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, jean cindy,. Do we have anybody signed up for public comment.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, we have at least one hand raised. um,, I'd like to go through just a couple things just to let people know what to do.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: so, folks,. If you want to speak during this open comment, please use the raise hand function,. You should find this easily at the bottom of your screen.. If you are on the phone,, you can press star nine to raise your hand.. I will call on those who have raised hands and unmute you and.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, as I mentioned testimony, will be voice only I'll aim to tee up several speakers so that you'll know when your turn is coming. Up.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: each speaker will have three minutes to address the board.. I don't like cutting people off., but I will meet you out of fairness to everyone.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, if you go much beyond the three minutes, and instead of showing the timer on the screen., what I'm going to do so that we can everyone can continue to see.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: faces., I'm going to give you a 32nd warning and I'm going to give you a time's up.. So if you can see me, we're gonna we're gonna try this tonight so that.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: we're not all looking at the timer on the screen.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: and let's see,, in accordance with the meeting rules., we do need a full name associated with each person's participation in the meeting.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, so if you plan to participate in the open or public comment., I can't unmute you without your full name.. If your name is not currently displays.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: displayed. Please change it or send it to me or cindy in the chat and week we can change it for you. um,. We are not using the q amp a function tonight and we are not allowing pooling of time for this meeting.. So with that,.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, let me just get the timer queued up and we can start. We have greg cass, dario, blackburn, juanita gomez., and then I see a phone number.. That's a 720239 number and.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, if you can't change it., you probably can't change your name on the phone.. So I'll ask you to give your name. once you start.. So just as soon as I get.

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David ensign, pb:, I see some names that I think are speaking to five or five be so this. If you're speaking to the library., this is not the time to speak.. I just wanted to say that, and also for capital improvement programme,. Those will have their own separate ones. is that correct, carmen.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, absolutely, david.

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Lisa smith, pb:. I also see a request for.

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Lisa smith, pb: matt hayden,, who is the 72239 number to go ahead, upgrade cast.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her:, okay., all right,, so then.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, I'm jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her:, 72. okay.. So then we'll have matt start matt, I'm pressing the allowed to talk.. Are you looks like.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, I'm on the phone,. You can unmute by star six.

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17202392327:, I think I just figured that out there. okay, great.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her:, all right,, you can go ahead and you have three minutes.

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17202392327: thanks a lot. and thanks for the reminder about the census, harmon, um,.

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17202392327: I submitted some supplementary material.

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17202392327: greg and I live in residential zone next to a restaurant and zoned mixed use, three restaurants, known as river and was at 2328 pearl.

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17202392327: couple of years ago,, they started as a restaurant,, but they've gradually become a kind of a concert. Venue.

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17202392327: they charge a cover to come in,, they have a concert calendar and it's got the events every because it in six days per week.

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17202392327: at a stage and well, they color music acoustic. It's it's always amplified are mostly always amplified part of the website., so they have a party every night of the week.

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17202392327: so, without a doubt,, it's kind of become a concert. Venue.

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17202392327: part of their land use plan promised they would not do this., and so the land use plan as,, as seen by the boards.

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17202392327: specifies that they have acoustic music to accompany dining and that they would work with the neighborhood.. We have not seen that.

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17202392327: the,, the old restaurant john's was was very quiet. and I think that the new restaurant that's moved in. There has decided that, because of the financial strain of coronavirus, they have to operate as a concert venue, and so they are kind of issuing.

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17202392327: any input from the public., so we've tried to go through the usual. What we've we've heard of as the usual avenues for mediator, mediated.

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17202392327: with no success.

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17202392327: and 17202392327:, mostly we've complained about the quiet, use and enjoyment.

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17202392327: because they sometimes, it appears that is contracted for x to come in and record on days when they're not actually serving food..

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17202392327: this, this means that so so we know we're working at home. nowadays,, and this means that we were distracted by relatively loud amplified. Music when we're on zoom, zoom calls like this.

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17202392327:, I think, I'm close to three minutes.. I can't really see.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her:, the quiet, 45.

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17202392327:, okay and so 17202392327: so., so greg, and I represent, quite a few neighbors. we're,, we're kind of the most productive ones.. Maybe we're the ones closest to it.

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17202392327: and I'll have, if the rest of the time over to him to talk about what we've done and kind of what we're thinking for for fixing the situation.. Thanks again for opportunity.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: thank you, matt., jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her:, okay.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: great, looks like you were, able to unmute and we'll have one nita after greg.

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Greg kass: I. fantastic. thank you. first off to the board for allowing me to speak and thanks for keeping boulder a wonderful place to live.

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Greg kass:, my comments will be under three minutes,, I'm going to pick up where matt left off until you about what we've done. Thus far.. So we've contacted the police on numerous occasions over the course of the last few years.

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Greg kass: we've tried to complain based on two avenues: the quiet use and enjoyment, and in violation. the noise ordinance and the police that basically taken the position all the evening. Officers that said, hey,.

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Greg kass:, it's a concert: venue, they're playing music.. What do you want us to do about it., and so they have exercised their discretion and will not allow us.

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Greg kass: to even write a quiet, euston enjoyment, ticket. the other problem that I've encountered. As I have been talking to code enforcement about this and code enforcement, has caught us in an interesting catch. 22.

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Greg kass:, the restaurant,, as matt said, is located and mixed use, three,, which prohibits temporary outdoor concerts and entertainment.

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Greg kass:, the town., the code enforcement folks claim that this restaurant, in what they're doing the concerts are totally fine, and they do not fall within the statute.

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Greg kass: because the concert venue is a permanent use.. It's not a temporary use is what the code enforcement folks say.

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Greg kass:, which is directly contrary to what the site plan says. The site plan says is that the only periodically have music so.

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Greg kass:. We would like this body to resolve that ambiguity,, because those two things just can't be true at once and and the restaurant has had a couple defenses.

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Greg kass: one is that everyone loves, live music and I would love to live next to a live concert venue and we don't really understand, like, people were complaining and then one of the other owners. I've talked to.

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Greg kass: profusely apologizes promises to turn down the music. They move the amplifier, a couple inches in either direction or another,, and this does help for a matter of minutes., sometimes hours.

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Greg kass:, but the problem is just gotten progressively worse, since I last talk to the restaurant owner, about a week and a half ago, instead of having six concerts per week.. Now they had seven. So now they have.

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Greg kass: morning concerts on sundays, as well as evening concerts,, so.

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Greg kass:, the other thing that the owner says is that well.

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greg kass:. We want to help musicians, make extra money and I make 100 people that are happening per night. and there are about a dozen people behind the restaurant that live in apartments that are unhappy.

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Greg kass: and well, hundreds more than 12., so there it is., and I think that that type of balancing is impermissible, because this distinguished body has already engaged in such balancing of interest by an acting a zoning ordinance and approving the restaurant site. Plan.

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Greg kass:, so why does this matter. well, they're very few, affordable places to live. I'm a registered nurse. there's a teacher that lives behind this place upstairs for me, is a veteran.

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Greg kass: matt and my girlfriend both work in tech.. So I think that, in order to preserve the ability to just for working people to live in boulder. they're, not property owners, mixed use zones that have been.

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Greg kass: residential zones needs to be enforced.. The last thing I'll say in the last 10 seconds is their million and a half dollar condos that have just been constructed directly. Next to this building.

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Greg kass:, and so I suspect that people are not going to be happy when they move into their million and a half dollar condos and realize that there's a there's, a stage 10 feet.

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Greg kass: from the window of their condo., so our requested relief is that you either review their site plan pertaining to noise, either revoke it or.

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Greg kass: hold a fact finding hearing to determine whether the restaurant is in compliance with their site plan and yeah. I sincerely thank you for your time, and that is my time.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: thanks, greg., jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:. Next up we have one ago mass one.. I apologize.. I think I mispronounced your name.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: previously, and I have just asked you to unmute. Hopefully you.

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Cindy spence, cob: can hear yourself gene,. She wrote in.

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Cindy spence, cob:. She actually wanted to speak during the library public hearing.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: okay, great. we'll,, we'll be able to raise hand at that point.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: anyone else here to speak, an open comment. Tonight.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: okay,, I see no one else.

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Sarah silver pb:, sarah, I'm just wondering,, I'm harmon, and charles, what,. What can we do to help greg and matt move forward in discussions, if anything,.

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Charles ferro, cob:, we had code enforcement out on the site today talking with management, helen,. I have both reviewed the original approval from.

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Charles ferro, cob:, as well as the management plan that was filed with the approval.

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Charles ferro, cob:, so we're going to talk later this week and make a determination about what's considered an accessory use to the restaurant as far as live music goes.

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Charles ferro, cob:, our code enforcement folks, did take a noise reading at the property line today and it didn't run afoul of the noise regulations,. But.

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Charles ferro, cob:, their management plan, says very specifically that they have a potential for periodic acoustic music that certainly doesn't equate to live music every night of the week., so we'll work it through with code enforcement and the management there,. Hopefully we can get it resolved.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : so lisa and the pizza wanting to comment as well. lisa.

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Lisa smith, pb:, oh yeah,. I just had a further question. I'm charles and it was ambiguous in the comments that we received. I'm unclear how many people are in that venue at a time.

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Lisa smith,, pb: and especially, just with code right now.. I guess I'd be curious about that which may be more of a county question under public health,, but.

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Lisa smith, pb: yeah,, it just sounds like maybe there's a lot of people lisa smith, pb: and I'm worried about distancing.

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Charles ferro, cob:, it would be a public health issue., I'm not exactly sure what the capacity is myself right, now, or how they're limiting it. But that's part.

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Charles ferro, cob: of the work that will do when we follow up.

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Lisa smith, pb: wonderful. thank you.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, luke data.

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Lupita d montoy, pb: yes.. My question has to do with timing,, because I know that were when we deal with noise policies,, usually as a do quiet, hours.,.

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Lupita d montoy, pb:, but I also know that people work in tech or those of us who work in unusual jobs. We work at all times of day and night,. So I will like.

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Lupita d montoy, pb: for the city to look at the alignment of those because,. You know,. If I choose to do work.

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Lupita d montoy, pb: in the morning,. You know it works. if there's no venue heavy music, but if they happen to have a concert- and I do my best work at night.- that's not going to align very well., so I just,, I would just would like to kind of pay attention to that. Timing.

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Lupita d montoy, pb:, so that hopefully there is some sort of agreement that you guys can come together.. There may be some.

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Lupita d montoy, pb:, some given take on both sides., and so I just hope that we all remember on both sides to the fact that we are living in extraordinary times so that I can.

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Lupita d, montoy, pb:- I can imagine how difficult it is to keep a business going and having to do things. Differently.

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Lupita d, montoy, pb:, as well as those of us who are forced to stay indoors and do our work in one place. and if we're not able to do our work,, then you know we suffer too.. So I just wanted to take when you look at this,. Look at timing to see if there's something can be worked. Out.

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Charles ferro, cob:, and we appreciate that, will take that into consideration. How we balanced the.

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Charles ferro, cob: discussion between the neighbors.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay., harmon, zuckerman, pb :. Now I'm going to close the public comment section and move on to discussions of dispositions planning board call ups and continuations there's only one item on the agenda: tonight.: it's a call up item for body balance, strength and wellness.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : triple zero 27 to use review for a proposed personal training and wellness center, located at 4735 walnut street and a portion of unit. One.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, also known as tenant, spaces,, d, and e in the industrial I j, general zoning, district, indoor, recreation, or athletic facility uses do require use review in the zone. District.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : call up period expires five days from now on the 25th.. Is there any member of planning board? Who would like to ask any questions of staff or call this matter up.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay,, it looks like we can move on to our first public hearing item.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. This is a agenda title five, a public hearing and consideration of a recommendation to city council on the proposed 2021 to 2026 capital, improvement, program, or c ip. I'll turn it over to our esteemed and charles pharaoh,, and thank you very much..

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Charles ferro, cob: thanks very much about. good evening. chair, members of the board., I'm actually going to turn it over to chris wranglers who's going to present staffs analysis tonight,. But I do want to make note of the fact that we do have a whole host of.

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Charles ferro, cob: staff subject matter experts from across the organization to help support chris and answer your questions., so without further ado, I'll turn it over to chris.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: thanks, charles screen, look okay for everybody.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: so, as joe mentioned, the arm, I'm chris wrangles or work in the comprehensive planning department in the planning department with me here tonight to talk about the tip is also car. A skinner car is the assistant director in the finance department.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: in full acknowledgment of the lengthy agenda that we have this evening. We have trimmed his presentation down just a little bit, so please do feel free to to ask questions. I'm either before we get to the end of the presentation or at the end.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: so to start,, just a quick rundown of the agenda. Here. we're going to be provide the board of background on this tip.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: highlights specifically some process changes that we implemented. This year, highlight a couple of projects, provide a financial overview. and then finally, conclude with the two seat projects that we're recommending for this year's tip.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, so some background, information. just a reminder to the planning board.. The role is to evaluate the proposed tip in context with the boulder valley, comprehensive plan.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: make recommendations on the scope, priorities and scheduling of civ projects, make recommendations on policy issues surrounding design and location of projects and finally make recommendations on projects that should require a see puri community and environmental assessment. Process.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: ok,, so the image that you see to the left demonstrates the relationship between the community sustainability and resiliency framework,, the boulder valley, comprehensive plan department, master plans,, as well as the capital, improvement and operating budgets.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, as you can see, the cfp is informed by department master plans and plays a key role in achieving the community vision set forth through both,, both of our comprehensive plan and the community sustainability and resiliency framework..

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, the city plans and projects handbook describes the city's process for departmental master planning and capital projects,, including the implementation.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, the figure you see to the right, shows the general phases that are outlined in the handbook and, as you can see,, the majority of community influences that the master planning, as well as at the excuse me, project, planning and design stages.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: the,. The definition that we have displayed on the screen here is our most basic definition of what a capital project is.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, but in a larger context,, the entire see ip that we package over a year is a comprehensive six year plan for the capital investment in maintaining and enhancing public infrastructure.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: it provides a forecast of funds available for capital projects and then identify as all planned civ projects over the estimated six year, period.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: priorities, prioritization of civ projects, involves balancing the company needs within the community and corrects correcting service deficiencies, things like enhancing the service levels for the community as a whole and providing services to new developments.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:. I should also note the first two years tip and in the in the first year. Program. so for this year. that'd be 2021 is what is eventually adopted.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: with the operating budget as the capital budget.. So even though fiscal resources are only appropriate for that first year of the cit, this a seeding five years that you see are important and providing a long term plan.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: so, how we break down capital projects. they're, essentially broken down into four categories: capital maintenance and enhancements new capital, projects.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: capital planning studies and land acquisitions. now, as you'll see a little bit later on in the presentation.. The majority of our capital projects fall into the maintenance and enhancement categories.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:- and this is a good thing.. This is demonstrating the investment that the city has and taking care of its existing assets.. We're always looking to take care of what we have for. We invest in any sort of new asset.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, so this is the list of all the funding sources that comprise annual, see ip. now, the,. The point here is not to have you read through each one: each and every one of these,, but really to demonstrate just the complexity and the amount of sources that go into the annual see ip.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: many of these are dedicated funding, sources. so,, how we spend that money gets a little bit more complicated and a little bit more restricted.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, I will say that many of these,, but not all, certainly are dependent on sales tax, revenue,, which we will provide more information on in a little bit later on in the presentation.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: so, again, to save some time here, rather than walk through the entire ci process that we go through every year is an extensive process. Much of it is a lot of internal coordination,. We thought we would simplify and just highlight a few changes that we made this year.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, so in addition to the annual cit guiding principles and project selection criteria that we send out every year for departments.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, we developed a new criteria for really narrowing and focusing on what projects are the most central projects for the city to carry forward.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, so this list that you see here as additional project right here that were developed. It is not intended to be a checklist for compliance in any way.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, but these were used by departments to ensure really a common, prioritization and continuation,, as I've mentioned of the city's most essential capital projects under a fiscally constrained and uncertain environment that we see today.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: a couple examples of projects that fit that criteria does provide you guys,, so the barcode gravity pipeline repair, the sanitary sewer, rehabilitation project, sidewalk maintenance, neighborhood, speed management program and drainage way, maintenance and enhancement. Projects.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: now, on the flip side,. There weren't impacts to the capital improvement program based upon the current economic conditions that we're seeing. so, to provide some examples of those.

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Chris ranglos, cob, planning: flat, irons, golf course: capital enhancement projects was reduced by 20. Excuse me: $2.2 million the parks and recreation master plan,, while still continuing ahead on.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: the path that we have set out largely there was $140,000 reduction in that plan. The facilities master plan has been delayed until 2021.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: a couple transportation projects bridge deck repairs, deficient streetlight replacements.. Those have been either postponed or delayed in the future years.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: plan capital, investment in the university hill, commercial area has been delayed and then finally, the alpine balsam hospital exteriors deconstruction was a $1.6 million dollar deferral.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:. This is just a few that we wanted to highlight.. We did see impacts across the tip., but if there's any questions about what these look like, then we can certainly answer those.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, so new to this tip this year was a look at equity considerations,. While at this time. we don't have a methodology in place to both measure and track equity in this tip.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:. This is something that we are taking it as a priority and will be working with the city's racial equity team towards developing.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: in the coming months and before the tip development process really begins again. Next spring.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: with that said, here, are just a few examples of steps that we took this year to begin the conversation and to get our vip staff. Thinking about these.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: so included a member of the racial equity team to review all the ip submissions and is now a standing member on the tip peer review. Team.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, the racial equity team, is now a very direct resource for all of our city. Civ staff and many have already reached out to these folks.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: and then finally, the underserved business program, which is comes out of the 2020 city, purchasing model.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: now this project is currently engaged in a data project that is designed to better understand the spend profile across.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: the city organization, one key element of this project is to contact over 5000 companies within our vendor. Database. ask them and self report their underserved.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: or disadvantage status.. So once this is completed,, we should be able to measure city purchases from underserved business and create strategies and goals to better utilize. The resources of our underserved business community.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: okay,, so just to highlight a few projects that are major capital investments for this year.. The interceptor sewer realignment project at 3.6 million on the pavement management program.. This is something that we see every year in the cit.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: broadband fiber backbone at $12 million, is significant project that we're seeing ongoing repairs to parker gravity pipeline general park improvements and then finally, the flat air.. It's golf course enhancements.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: with that, I'll turn it over to car skinner cleric. Introduce herself in show provide the board just an overview on sort of the finances with missy ip and then I will return to wrap up.

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Kara skinner, cob: thank you., kara skinner, cob: good evening car skinner, assistant finance and I appreciate the opportunity to share with you tonight, a little bit about our financial condition and then a very brief high level overview.

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Kara skinner, cob: of the six year plan. and before I do that,. I want to take just a minute to give a shout out to chris he's done tremendous work leading this project.

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Kara skinner, cob:: it's really a partnership between the finance department and the planning department,, but he's done a tremendous job and as well as.

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Kara skinner, cob: staff on my team and then all of the departments and the people that are on this call,. In case you have questions with regard to specific projects, so huge lift.

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Kara skinner, cob: with that just want to go to the next slide.

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Kara skinner, cob:. We just want to acknowledge,, as I'm sure you all are aware, that the pandemic and the measures to protect public health have really had a significant impact.

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Kara skinner, cob: not only on our local businesses and their workforce,, but also the services.. The city can provide. and then on our revenues. And since.

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Kara skinner, cob: march city finance has been presenting to city council on finances, least monthly in the beginning, we are presenting even more often than that., but we've been presenting monthly financial updates.

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Kara skinner, cob:, and this is a slide that we have shown and- and it really just goes to show that we expect 70% of our revenues to be negatively impacted by this..

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Kara skinner, cob: pandemic caused economic recession. so,. We will have, or we are already seeing- an impact on sales and use taxes,, which is a major revenue source for the city.

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Kara skinner, cob: that as well as development taxes and fees. we've seen some sort of bouncing around with regard to those charges for services and fines have been down significantly. because we haven't been able to provide many of the services that we normally do. Provide.

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Kara skinner,, cob:, accommodations taxes and admissions taxes, of course, are down with fewer tourists and travel is down significantly and events are not being held.

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Kara skinner, cob:. We are not seeing an impact of property taxes.. Those are largely set based upon the assessed value of the prior year.

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Kara skinner, cob:, and there are some other revenue sources that we are not seeing an impact, one that really relates to see ip as utility revenue and as utilities will tell you that their revenues really not so much a function of the economy,, but rather the weather and largely so.

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Kara skinner, cob: that revenue sources, not so much impacted by this crisis.

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Kara skinner, cob: next slide.

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Kara skinner, cob:, so this is just a slide that shows sales and use tax is a significant revenue source for the city.

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Kara skinner,, cob: and 2019 have brought in $142 million and funds, not only the general fund,, but an a number of dedicated revenue. Sources.

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Kara skinner, cob:, including transportation in open space. so, transportation, for example,, receives 75% of their revenue from sales and use tax. So it is impacted.. They are really having to plan around that.

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Kara skinner, cob: and next line.

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kara skinner, cob:. Then this is our sales tax forecasts that we have over the.

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Kara skinner, cob: planning horizon of the cfp,. We did contract with, see you economist to develop a sales and use tax, forecast.

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Kara skinner, cob:, and this is the forecast that we used to build the 2021 budget and the 2021 tip and.

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Kara skinner, cob:. We recognize that that their results of their model show a range of results.. This is the most likely result, there's an upper bound and a lower bound., but this most likely shows us not returning to 2019 revenue levels until.

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Kara skinner, cob:, the more optimistic gets us. There may be late. sometime in 2021, very early.

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Kara skinner, cob:, that's not shown on this slide,. We tried to put a very simple version, but, and then the most pessimistic shows us not returning to 2019 levels until.

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Kara skinner, cob: 2024, so there's a lot of uncertainty out there,. The big picture is the trajectory of the revenue over the time. Planning horizon is much lower than we had originally thought. Last year.

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Kara skinner, cob:, so next slide., this again is just another own.

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Kara skinner, cob: slide, we've been showing that shows other those other revenue sources and the impacts that we're seeing.

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Kara skinner, cob: with coven., so a number of revenue sources year to date.

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Kara skinner,, cob: and first specific months since the pandemic are down significantly., some as much as 90%. So.

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Kara skinner, cob:. It is pretty wide across multiple revenue, sources.

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Kara skinner, cob: and. next slide.

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kara skinner, cob:. So this is the high level overview of the six years tip by department and.

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Kara skinner, cob: you'll see that it very significantly year to year.

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Kara skinner, cob: 2022 through 2024 are expected to be high dollar years and higher than we expected actually last year.

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Kara skinner, cob: 2022, it's largely attributed to that blue bar public works, utilities,, there's a large wastewater project and two large water utility projects.

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Kara skinner, cob: again,, it's the blue bar of utilities,, as well as that gold part of the bar and and the blue again is for utilities and they have two large water, one water, one wastewater, project.,.

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Kara skinner, cob: totaling, almost $30 million and then the gold bar is the western city campus redevelopment at alpine balsam and that's $60 million project..

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Kara skinner, cob:, so those are the significant expenditures in 2023 and then 2024 again is utilities and for 2024 it's really all about stormwater two big storm water projects in 2024 and then the other.

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Kara skinner, cob: departments have a number of projects each year., but of course, it varies, year to year, based upon maintenance schedules, needed upgrades and just timing of projects.

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Kara skinner, cob: and. next slide. so,. This.

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Kara skinner, cob: is by project type,, and this goes back to what chris mentioned earlier about the four different types of projects and that we really.

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Kara skinner, cob: want to focus on maintenance and enhancements, and that is represented by the orange and the darker blue bars and you'll see that the majority of our tip is dedicated toward taking care of what we have.

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Kara skinner, cob:. It comprises over this time horizon 93% of the six years tip, which is up from last year when it was 82%. So really dedicating dollars to are taking care about me.

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Kara skinner, cob: and. next slide.

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kara skinner,, cob: now,. Take it back over this chris. Unless you have any questions of me.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, thanks car., so to wrap up here., we'll talk a little bit about the seat projects that we have recommended for this year.. So as a reminder about what a seat days.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, the seat stands for community environmental assessment process., and this is essentially a tool that is used to assess potential impacts of conceptual project alternatives in order to inform.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: the selection and refinement of that preferred alternative within a project.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, so with that said,, the two projects recommended to undergo, see included in this year tip are the downtown boulder transit station improvements.. This is a project to expand the number of bays along canyon, boulevard and 14 street adjacent to the downtown boulder transit station. Center.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, the arapaho multi use path and transit enhancements.. This is a project that will upgrade existing and missing sidewalk sections to multi use paths along rat hole between foothills and cherry bill.. It will also enhance existing transit stops and access along the entire corridor.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: moving into next steps september 8 is when we will have our annual study session with city council on the 2021 budget.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, this will include both the tip and the operating october. Six will be the first reading of the 2021 budget and the second reading is currently scheduled for october 20.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, so with that,. The staff recommendation this evening is to recommend to city council approval of the 2021 to 2026 proposed capital improvement program,, including the list of cp projects to undergo a community and environmental assessment process,, as outlined in the staff memorandum.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: with that the questions for the planning board this evening.. Does the planning board have any questions about the proposed tip, specifically as it relates to.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: any long term, big picture policies and the boulder alec comprehensive plan, the scope, priorities and scheduling of the proposed to see ip projects.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, the proposed location of civ projects and finally, projects recommended to undergo a seat. Process.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, so with that,, I can turn it over to the board again. It just want to remind folks that we do have a lot of staff members on this call., and so, if you do have specific questions.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: about a particular project about a particular departments, middle,. Then we should be able to get them on the line and answer those questions for you as well.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:. I will go ahead and leave it on this slide here,, as I think it could help shape the conversation. With that, I will hand it back over.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : yes,, I'm gonna ask planning board. If any members have questions and if you do, raise your hand and pizza,, I see your hands up.

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Lupita d montoy, pb: yes,. If I remember on the slide., would you have different priorities in terms of some of the projects that were either delayed.

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Lupita d, montoy,, pb: or postponed or, you know, cancel.. I think it was several, several words you use for it.. I noticed that the one bullet regarding lightning lightning was.

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Lupita d, montoy, pb: either postponed or cancel.. Could you tell me a little bit about that because that particular item, and I will be concerned about safety related to lighting not being properly repair? If that's, what is happening.? So if you can tell me a little bit more about that. that'd be great.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: yeah, absolutely., I'm actually going to have mark wolf if he is on the call chime in on this.. This is more of a community vitality, project.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, and I do know that there are some still proposed tip projects on the university hill area that are going to move forward.. I think this may be one that we're looking to backtrack on just a little bit until some more of the university hill work is completed.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: on the hill hotel project., but if mark is on the call., I might have him jump in and just provide a bit more context around this project, in particular, mark,. Are you out there.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: yes. mark woulf:, I am. thanks, chris., so just to clarify on the hill,. We have been able to maintain funding for lighting. this year. We were able to accelerate that under our existing budget,, the.

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Mark woulf: university hill delays were more related to alley unification implementation in the future.. So speaking, just for the university hill, commercial area,, we were able to maintain those upgrades for for this year, maybe bleeding into next year to finish the work.

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Lupita d montoy, pb: permit,, if I may have a follow up question regarding this.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : go right, ahead.

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Lupita d, montoy, pb:. I appreciate it, because it's my opportunity., so I know when I was working with city council and are convinced us the onus on us through that our chats with the council, with a city.

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Lupita d montoy, pb:, one of the highest concerns from the latino community, where we're about lighting and security.

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Lupita d, montoy, pb:, you know problems related to the lack of lighting and some of the communities of color, we have on campus,, and, given that you, you also talked about,, you know, your concerns about making sure that we are.

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Lupita d, montoy, pb:, looking at things with the lens of equity., I thought this is that a good opportunity to.

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Lupita d montoy, pb: to pass off because I don't know if you've got that information back, that that is one of the highest priorities for that community.

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Lupita d, montoy, pb:, and so if there is a room or maybe one of those projects that you have still considering to move forward with involved. this communities,, I will, you know,.

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Lupita d, montoy, pb:. I would highly encourage you,, because I know that is one of the highest priority, particular because a lot of the community members that were in our conversations were concerned about children's.

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Lupita d, montoy, pb: safety, lupita d, montoy, pb:. I know that we just, just for reference.. I know the one was, you know,, speeding, speeding within the communities so.

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Lupita d montoy, pb:, if you,, if you know anything about that- possibility, because I know that they did get their request for better lighting in their communities as one of the.

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Lupita d, montoy, pb:: I think that was part of what the student was trying to help them get get on the list, because it's communities don't even know how to make that request.. So if you can add to that,, if you know anything about it. they'll be great.. Thank you.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay,, no response from staff on that.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: from my perspective,, I think, that's, I mean it's. It's.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, we've heard this.. This is something that we hear quite often about lighting and overall safety in the community.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, as I mentioned, the presentation as far as equity goes.. This is something that we're going to be continuing to build.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: and put a lot of groundwork in over the next several months and into next year., so figuring a way out how to get that information from.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: folks in the community., I think, is something that will take a little bit of time as it relates to capital projects,. But it's something that we're committed to doing and certainly appreciate the recommendation to reach out to these folks.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, :, thanks,, chris., so serious hand up.

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Sarah silver pb: well,- I have two big too broad, questions. I'll start with one and then you'll circle back to me.. So I'm was interested in understanding a bit more about the water utility fees, um,.

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Sarah silver pb:, you were kind enough to offer us a look at the trajectory for the next couple of years. few years and then the trajectory is pretty steep and.

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Sarah silver pb:, I imagine it- will get steeper. a if and when see you south. comes. On. comes into the ccp project. the, the,, the flood mitigation part of it, and in the.

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Sarah silver pb: cfp., sarah silver pb:, the memo., the staff member, says staff will continue to work on options for expanding the customer assistance program so that those most affected by the recession can receive assistance,, and I think that's great, but I'm a little concerned that.

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Sarah silver pb: in the long run, there's going to be more and more people who are going to need customer assistance because these of these double digit.

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Sarah silver pb: increases,, not just in the next three or four years,, but going forward beyond that.. So I'm wondering if you could talk a little bit about the customer assistance program.. What's the criteria for people.

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Sarah silver pb:: what's the criteria to qualify and how,, how is it funded and how will the city a deal with the possibility of this is going to be an ever larger number of people, whether they are economically marginal or senior citizens who are on a fixed income.

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Sarah silver pb: will be served by that customer assistance. Program.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: great questions., so sounds like a two part question for the for the utility rates.. I think I'm going to have douglas sullivan or.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: cora speak to those just a little bit and then, as far as the second item that you had brought up. um,, it sounds like another mark, wolf type of question.. If it's not, mark., I apologize and throw it back at me or if it's someone else here, douglas or or cora.

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Douglas sullivan, cob: chris douglas here- that is indeed a two part question., so I'll take a shot at a little bit of clarification, at the very beginning.

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Douglas sullivan, cob:, we also have ken baird here, who is the city's utilities financial manager, and he will be able to speak to that question specifically.

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Douglas sullivan, cob:, so there were rate increases recommended this year by our water resource advisory board and.

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Douglas sullivan, cob: those fall across all three utilities.. So just as a quick reminder, we have a water utility., we have a wastewater utility.. We have storm water and flood utility.

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Douglas sullivan, cob:, so sarah had expressed some interest about the projections of the rates going forward and also how that might impact a number in the community.

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Douglas sullivan, cob: a minor clarification, just because there was talk about utility rates being sensitive to whether.

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Douglas sullivan, cob: that really refers earlier to the fact that when we have a very wet year, we sell less water.

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Douglas sullivan, cob: and when we have a very dry year, we sell more water and in some percentage or in some ways, the wastewater utility rates are based on the water, one.

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Douglas sullivan, cob:, the 12% or double digit that you referenced is indeed the storm water and flood utility.. So when you speak about the south boulder creek project as a whole.

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Douglas sullivan, cob:, that is in that storm and flood utility,, not in the water utility.. So I'm going to kick it to ken for the program to answer questions specifically about that. and then I'm available, of course, to talk about any the capital improvement projects and the costs associated with those recommendations.

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Ken baird cob: thanks. thank you. douglas., I'm like, has mentioned, I'm ken baird,, the financial manager for utilities, and I don't.

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Ken baird cob:, I don't know if I wrote down all of your questions,. So please remind me if I miss some of that bit in the memo.. We mentioned that the proposed rate increases.

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Ken baird cob: for 2021 include 8% increase in the water fund, 5% in the wastewater, fun and 12% in a storm water flood and anticipating anticipated impact on the average single family bill is about $7 and 30 cents per month and then increase and.

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Ken baird cob:, what that 12% includes or while why we are recommending 12% for 2021, is to try to level rates as we anticipate the big capital projects coming up in.

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Ken baird cob: in this storm water corp., and so we could potentially in the storm water flood fund to a lower rate increase,. But what that would mean in and out year is a rate spike and.

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Ken baird cob:, as kind of an internal policy,, at least on rate setting,. We really try to avoid rates. Spikes are kind of surprises in one given year.

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Ken baird cob: of dramatic rate increase in a big hit to a bill, all in one year.. We try to flat number even amount across multiple years., and so what that looks like in the storm flood fund is.

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Ken baird cob: in 2021, 22 and 23, up until coming up to those projects in 2024, are anticipating around 12% rate increases in those years.

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Ken baird cob: and we are- we are sensitive to what impact this can have on community members,, particularly low income, fixed income, community members.

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Ken baird cob: and we had discussed or consider well, is this a year to really do lower rate increases, and we felt that that was more. That would be more of an instrument to.

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Ken baird cob:, it would benefit the whole community if we, you know,, all of the community would see the lower bill impact and lower rate increase.

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Ken baird cob:, when it's not necessarily the case that everybody in the community needs the help, and so we're proposing to stay with these recommended rate increases,, but also enhance our customer assistance. Program.

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Ken baird cob:, our customer assistance program.. Currently we do thing well during coated right now we have stopped shut off for non payment. and so we're not shutting off anybody's water for non payment right, now.

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Ken baird cob:, we also offer payment plans.. So if somebody is behind and they're coming up on a shut off during non co bit time.

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Ken baird cob: and we offer the opportunity for them to spread out the amount they owe for multiple months. They can work with our utility billing staff on that one.

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Ken baird cob: well,, we don't currently offer directly as bill assistance. We historically have referred, people generally to fm or the county's senior services.

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Ken baird cob: department and we've tracked that in prior years and it's been.

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Ken baird cob: under 10 or so customers. it was,. It's a small handful of customers that end up receiving assistance from those agencies.

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Ken baird cob:, we do think this year will be different, more people needing assistance and so we're looking at multiple options. We have some limitations in the in the utility fund, do do statement and the charter saying we can't give away free water.. So we will.

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Ken baird cob: we're looking into potential we've actually received some interest from community members for.

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Ken baird cob: interest in being able to donate funds in order to help with other community members bills, and so we're looking to potentially advertise for that, that people could possibly donate to ff. For.

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Ken baird cob:, helping with their neighbors or other customers bills. we also are looking at, is there,. Are there ways, potentially, to use utilities fun some kind of small amount bit to help with.

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Ken baird cob: people that are ken baird cob: too far behind on their bills,. You know, over the months of coconut, so.

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Ken baird cob:, I don't know I I do said a lot of stuff.. I don't know if I answered all the questions, or does that help though.

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Sarah silver pb:, it was helpful.. Let me just ask them in terms of the,, I mean the projects you have in the cfp for the next six years.

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Sarah silver pb: sound all the water projects sound like they're, pretty essential for providing water to the city and dealing with us sewage and also dealing with flooding.

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Sarah silver pb:, but 12 12%- I don't have the graph in front of me,, but I think my recollection is that the multi year trend is first,, particularly for storm. Water is like 12%, 12%, 12%.

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Sarah silver pb:, maybe 8% and.

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Sarah silver pb: that over over the each year., that's going to add up to a fair bit of money.. So, do you all anticipate that the number of people who aren't able to pay their bills.

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Sarah silver pb: or who fall behind on their bills, excuse, me,, will increase from the dozen or so that you mentioned, have you you've had in the past, or do you think the numbers will likely stay? The same.

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Ken baird cob:, you know,, that's ken baird cob:. It's it's a challenge to know,, given the uncertain economy in like if people are going to be out of work for a longer period of time., so it some of that really depends on what happens to the economy and how quiet,, how quickly it bounces back.

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Ken baird cob:, you know,, so I, I,. We haven't done much serious study on if we'll see an increase,, but that is one of the reasons why.

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Ken baird cob: we're looking into expanding our customer assistance program, is we're wanting to put aside some more money available, just in case and anticipating that we would see some increase in those numbers.

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Sarah silver pb: okay, thank.. Thank you very much..

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : hey, do I have see john girls in lit up john.

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John gerstle, pb: yeah, thank you., so I couldn't resist asking.

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John gerstle, pb: about the north pole to branch library, since we're dealing with that later this evening in in the material that we've received the on.

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John gerstle, pb: on the funding and the and the capital expenses.. It sounds like the funds available for to construct that library will be minimally affected by the by the other, by the problems that have a huge effect on other parts of the city on day.. And so I was trying to understand why that is.

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John gerstle, pb: there some quick explanation about that.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: it's,. It's mostly has to do with where the funding is chris ranglos, cob planning:. Coming from the fact that this was a community culture and safety tax project,, I will have jennifer ferris jennifer.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: is going to be here with you guys all evening. I anticipate talking about this project., so I do believe she's on the call. now, if she wants to jump in and just provide a bit of context around the funding structure for that project and white hasn't been as severely impacted as others.

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John gerstle, pb:. That would be great if we could hear about them.

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Jennifer phares, cob bpl: hi,, I'm jennifer ferris,, I'm the deputy library director.

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Jennifer phares, cob bpl:, I'm the funding for that project was allocated.. I believe in.

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Jennifer phares, cob bpl:, the majority of it came from the community culture and safety tax, as well as the library fund.

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Jennifer phares, cob bpl: balance that we've we've accumulated over the course of several years., so the, the funding.

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Jennifer phares, cob bpl: was already in place and and approved for the project. prior to the economic downturn.

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John gerstle, pb:, oh alright, well, better! Hang on to it. thank you.

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John gerstle, pb: thank you.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : anybody else with questions for staff, lisa.

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Lisa smith, pb: um,, lisa, smith,, pb: yeah,, so lisa smith, pb:. I just wanted to clarify on the tip, and I think I overall about the answer,, but it looks like pretty much. Everything has been deferred rather than taken off the plate.. This is that correct,. Is there anything we should know? About., that's actually been removed from the cfp and.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, I'm not necessarily.. I think we're still anticipating.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: having a bit of flexibility with some of this.. There have been some cuts to projects from 2020.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, but as far as looking in the out years, the major projects that we're seeing really have just been postponed or delayed.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, that gives us an opportunity to to be a little bit nimble and flexible, and let the economy play out over the next couple of years. Before.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:. We really do start allocating that funding.. So it's a bit of a bit of a wait and see game for some of these.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: capital projects,, but those projects. again,, going back to the additional criteria that we had developed this year. The projects that really were the most central projects.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: did rise to the top in this year's tip and those ones that are sort of the nice to haves or important projects have been largely pushed out until 2023 2024 and some circumstances, right.

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Lisa smith, pb:, and that leads into my second question., I'm sure you went through very, very carefully and I saw some of that work as I was reviewing it,, but just trying to.

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Lisa smith, pb:, am I correct that you tried very hard to prioritize stuff that may result in higher expenses later I'm,, I'm thinking about water, utility, specifically,, but there's a lot of other things, or if, if we don't get in there., if we don't mind those pipes.

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Lisa smith, pb:, we could have a much more expensive repair., so I guess I'm curious, you know,. Am I correct that you did., I'm sure you did. and do you see vulnerabilities there,? Is there anything that you really couldn't keep on there? That.

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Lisa smith, pb: that you're worried about.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, I don't think so. in,. You are correct and saying that's the approach that we had taken.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, I can't speak certainly to any individual departments and any concerns that they have. It is concerning when it comes to sales and tax revenue and the funds that rely on that.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, most notably parks and recreation, open space, mountain parks and transportation are probably going to be the three that are most severely impacted.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, so I do think there are some concerns about overall funding levels in this tip, moving forward,, combined with the amount of unfunded and backlog needs that we do have in this tip.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, but that really wasn't methodology that we had taken. Is it's a safety thing? What projects. do we need to make sure happen,? Is it a public safety thing,? Then those projects really do need to raise.

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Chris ranglos, cob, planning: or rise to the top. There is economic implications associated with delaying and postponing projects to cost of construction goes up over time.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, there are other things that we wanted to take a look at and so overall, yeah,. You are correct. tom. Those the primary reasons that we had looked at four different. Some of these projects.

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Lisa smith, pb: thank you.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay, do I have any other hands before I call on sarah.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : go right, ahead. sarah.

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Sarah silver pb: okay, thank you.. I was really curious about.

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Sarah silver pb:- and I guess this is more sort of a governance, question.

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Sarah silver pb:, it seems like some of the community vitality projects, would fit better into facilities,, specifically, the parking lots and.

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Sarah silver pb: those elements of pages that aren't parking lots., and I'm just wondering if someone can explain to me why those facilities projects.. What were those projects that are city owned facilities, are in community vitality and not.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: now,- that's great question. I'll, probably have mark simon jump on to talk a bit about facilities here.. But what I can say is that this is something that we see every year with the facilities department.. They are sort of the utility knife of departments in the.

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Sarah silver pb: cia, they do.

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chris ranglos,, cob planning:, engage with other departments, parks and recreation is another one.. All of our recreation, centers.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, so certainly, they are bit of utility knife and it is.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: a little bit difficult to understand why the some projects fit within the community vitality versus why, why,. Why not having enough facilities department.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, I will say the facilities department within the city has taken a bit of a.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: reshape in their sort of focusing on what their true role is and what services they do. Provide., and I think part of that is really identifying themselves as an individual department with actual capital projects that they own.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning:, but I have mark simon, if he's on with us,, he can find a bit of context on what that new structure within the facilities department does look like even and how that will over time impact capital projects for facilities.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: mark,, are you out there.

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mark simon, cob:, though.

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Mark simon, cob: really can't get a whole lot to what chris mentioned, other than I know. We have had conversations with vitality, missing.

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Mark simon,, cob: part of the facilities master plan that we're developing, which is different than our mental level master plan that previously had been. This will be pretty wide all city facilities and what should be our investment strategy? Around, see what he's on term.

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Mark simon, cob: that conversation will continue to happen., and I would also ask mark wolf. Has anything know where to that? But.

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Mark simon, cob:. I think it's recognized among both parties that it does make more sense and.

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Mark woulf:, the only thing I would add, and thanks mark for that is we enjoy close partnership with fam and have for a while., it's really about the funding mechanism and why it shows up in our tip.

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Mark woulf:, those are general improvement, district owned assets., so we reinvest the ga d dollars back into the assets., and so we have a maintenance team that that.

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Mark woulf: keeps track of those assets on a year in and year out basis, and we tend to manage the capital projects as a department in within the gi, the assets so.

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Mark woulf:, we certainly continue to partner with them,, but it really comes down to the funding mechanism and capacity to manage some of those larger capital. Projects.

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Sarah silver pb: so can I just make sure I'm understanding.

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Sarah silver pb:, it sounds like there is a conversation., you guys have. The two agencies have departments, have a good relationship and and collaborate,, but there is also an a discussion.

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Sarah silver pb: in play of some level about the idea of some of these facilities currently managed by.

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Sarah silver pb: community, vitality,, perhaps migrating at some point to into the facilities department is that is that,. Am I understanding that correctly.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: mark.

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Mark woulf: of which, which mark. now let's take a first crack first mark.

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Mark woulf:, so I think the community vitality manages all of our general improvement districts, which includes the to boulder junction.

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Mark woulf: districts cages,, which is obviously the big one in university hell. and so for cages. specifically,, I think.. Historically, it's been.

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Mark woulf: just a capacity issue. and because we have maintenance on staff and community vitality.

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Mark woulf: and the funding mechanism is, through the parking revenues generated that we have tended to to manage the, the capital projects.. I think the conversation that we've had over the past.

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Mark woulf: 1218 months is really,. How can we better economies of scale and project management., and so what we've done as a department is really try to get through that backlog of deferred, maintenance.

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Mark woulf:, I think, we're in pretty good shape., but even with this cp proposal,, the ongoing conversation is really in the ability to continue to collaborate.

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Mark woulf:, going forward on on projects that are similar., certainly we're not the only parking structures or assets that the city has. and then again,. How do we support each other in that project management going forward.

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Sarah silver pb: okay, thank you.. Thank you for that. Clarification.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : hey.. Are there any further questions from the board for staff.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, maybe take take another look at the bullets on christmas screen and if it jogs anything loose,, we can ask the question,. If not,, I think we'll turn it over to public comment.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: okay. and with that, chris., I'm gonna ask you to.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: to stop sharing the screen so that folks can see the board members during the public hearing.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:. We can pull the presentation back up after if needed. again for folks., we will use the raise hand function.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, to indicate you'd like to speak to this item.. If you're on the phone,, you can use star nine to raise your hand., and I would just remind folks we we do request, and it is we.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: need you to have a full name displayed to be able to speak to the items. so, folks,. Could anybody that wants to speak to this in the public hearing can raise their hand now.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her:, we're gonna, have a lot of folks here to speak to the library.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: okay, I've got a couple hands. oh,, that's I'm not,, I'm not asking for folks that want to speak to the library and I'm just still just asking for folks that want to speak to this tip.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: very good, will open that public hearing when we get to that item.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: okay,, sorry, I confusion. okay, go ahead.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. If there is no one signed up to speak to the cfp,, then we're going to go to deliver deliberation among the board. Now talk about this tip here.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay. and,, and I would just start by reminding the planning board that the primary reason.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, for our review of the tip is our charge, which is to evaluate this tip in the context of the comprehensive plan.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : so,, you know,, doesn't mean you. You can't pick a part of project if it's really important to you,, but.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, the real role of planning board is one of the custodians of our comprehensive plan is to think about how this tip meets the comprehensive plan, goals and policies. So.

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Harmon zuckerman,, pb, :, again., guess I'll just start out and say that I usually don't start out,, but I've had a history with this tip, going back to my first year on planning board where.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. I did a word search of the the tip which I don't know how you got it down to 92 pages, chris.. It was 380 some pages four years, ago.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : and harmon zuckerman,, pb : and I word- searched web mb,. You know, women, women, owned business, minority business enterprise, women, minority disadvantaged, didn't find anything.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : in there, and we had just gone out of civ tour where we were taken by one of the members of parks to a park. That was absolutely terrific. Looking.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know, beautiful basketball court with twine nets,, none of which had any holes in them., and I thought about my upbringing.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, and how we never had parks that good in the city. I grew up in and and meanwhile, this member of of parks was apologizing, that this park had not been re renewed in 20 years in the city, generally renews parks on a 15 year, rolling basis and.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. I just wanted to really remind everyone how much discretionary money. the city of boulder has.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know,, our ci p, generally works out to spending levels of about $1,000 per citizen per year.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. It may be twice as much as what they spend in longmont on a per capita basis.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. We have fantastic public facilities here and we are so lucky to have them and to have them administered so well.. The other day, manhole cover.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : fell in on my street. and that's a pretty serious safety issue.. You got a three foot wide hold it's 10 feet deep with sewage in the bottom of it..

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, it's wide open with no warning whatsoever., so I stood next to it. With a neighbor,, we called up the public works, department.

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Harmon zuckerman,, pb : and a truck came out and had that thing fixed that morning like before noon,, and it was just an extraordinary display of of municipal competence.

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Harmon zuckerman,, pb, :, and so everything that I say about this tip has to be taken in the context of how lucky we really are to be in a city that manages its money as well as this one does., and it has so much money and spend it so well.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : so,, so I I point that out first,, but it's also,, you know,, given the fact that we have 85, almost pedestrian underpasses.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, when people could very well just cross it a perfectly safe crossing.. We have a lot of discretionary money.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : in this tip. we're not just fixing the things that are broken., we're building things that are for reasons that aren't necessarily need.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, and so the fact that this tip didn't have anything related to procurement and contracting procedures. That would help us to help minority businesses and and women owned businesses and disadvantaged businesses.

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Harmon zuckerman,, pb : grow and become a part of our city was troubling to me, because I thought that that's the kind of discretionary spending that I would like to really see that I think, is really important..

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : and based on our comprehensive plan policies regarding environmental purchasing and sustainable business, practices. the call for purchasing of local products and services,, as well as policies promoting diversity and resilience.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, it seemed like we ought to have something in this tip: promoting those kinds of procurement practices and and those kinds of.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : those kinds of contracting practices that would that would that would,, you know,, provide extra waiting for on an application or on a response to a request for proposals from a minority owned business, for example.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, so I really want to commend chris and the rest of the staff for for what they're doing this year. and after four years of having this getting on this soapbox every year with this tip., it's nice to know that the city is doing something along these lines.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, but I think the way that I read the program. it's,, it's more weighted towards.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : towards measurement than it is to really changing the code., and I remember the first time I made this point.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : christmas chuck than the assistant city manager.,.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : responded by saying, well,. We have need blind,, you know,. We have blind procurement, practices, they're, based on the quality of the bid and nothing else. and,, and I looked in,. I don't know exactly which coder or charter section. he was referring to., but at least in.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : title two and government organization, chapter eight,, there's a whole section on bid requirements and and in fact.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : there's a paragraph that allows a lot of.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : leeway as to the.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : qualifications of a bitter that might be so that might be reviewed and selecting the winner in a bidding process. Stuff like,, you know, the bitter having.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : done the the thing they're bidding on before and having a track record. and so, you know,. I would recommend- and I think maybe I'll add this to emotion- that you know that we asked that we go a little beyond what's what's being done, right now,, which is a great first step.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, but actually point to the areas in the code or the charter. That could be amended to to actually add a preferential process for reviewing bids,, something that will give us the ability to.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : give extra weight to a disadvantaged business enterprise that might be applying for a procurement contract.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : or a service contract, so I'll get back down off the soapbox and and turn it back over to my fellow planning board members for for their comments.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. I can't see hands because of the way the screen is, but.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. Let me see if I can get all you guys: up. okay,, so who's got a hand. Up, david.

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David ensign, pb: well,, since you I I've, been on planning board long enough to know that you were going to be talking about that subject, and I just wanted to thank you for bringing that up. again,. I think that I would fully support emotion.

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David ensign, pb: edition on that, on that subject,. I think it's, it's,, it's something that that has been getting some attention, but, like you, say, getting it into into the into the appropriate charter. Language would be really useful.. I do.. I am always blown away every year when I look at the tip presentation.

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David ensign, pb: at the incredible amount of prioritization that goes into this and the attention to resilience. Safety.

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David ensign, pb:, and it's just amazing, to me,, and especially right now with coven and the how moving., what a moving target. this is,. I just want to thank city staff for.

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David ensign, pb: for such an amazing ability to come in and give us a picture of this while we're while we're dealing with such a tough, a tough situation, and so many uncertainties.

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David ensign, pb:, one thing that I did do is: I went back and looked at some motions that were made, years ago, and I noticed one by crystal gray and seconded by liz payton who used to.. I used to be fortunate enough to work on prime board with.

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David ensign, pb: concerning analyzing the source of resident revenue to fund expanded vision for arts and culture in the community.

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David ensign, pb:, so I went- and I asked chris about that. and before to my question, to mandy, think and matches and ski and.

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David ensign, pb:, I forwarded their answer to you. so, in the interest of time,. I didn't want to spend a huge amount of time on it,, but just as a background., I was taking a.

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David ensign, pb: tour of denver and the person who the staff member from the denver city turned to me and said,. We don't you have a 1% for arts.

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David ensign, pb: program in boulder and I was like,- I don't know. well,, it turns out we do., and so it's it's pretty amazing that we, that we have that. and it was sort of formalized after.

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David ensign, pb: crystal and whizzes motion., so there are, if please take a look at that email from mandy., I'm not going to unless other board members have questions for you.

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David ensign, pb: in the interest of time,, I'm not going to put you on the spot., but I think there's been progress on arts, public art funding and I love to see that.. So that was the subject,. I was going to talk. About. thank you.

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Peter vitale pb: following.

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Peter vitale pb: go ahead, peter,. If I have this right, there is an artist that has been.

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Peter vitale pb: getting all of the sculpture work for years, just almost by default,. No comment on that artist.. I don't even know who it is,, but it was a story. I heard.

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Peter vitale pb: from the arts team., and it seems like such a perfect time to start opening up the procurement and rfp process to capture more talent and spread. This capital,, which is energy and.

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Peter vitale pb: unfortunately, our society oxygen to survive for all of us., the things we need to buy.. So it's a big deal. and I supported as well.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : any other thoughts. John gusto, please.

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John gerstle, pb: yeah, first of all, I like to say that I do think that this is consistent with the boulder valley comp plan, so.

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John gerstle, pb: just to get that the on the record. secondly,. I think that your.

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John gerstle, pb: your thoughts about giving greater discretion to.

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John gerstle, pb: enhance the possibility of hiring those who may need extra help seems reasonable to me, and I support it.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : you know, in years past,. I've talked about the fact that if we don't help local businesses.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : that have the kinds of services and goods to offer in the civ context. We we lose.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : occupants of industrial space. We lose people who have, you know, the physical ability to get us out of trouble in the case of a flood.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know,, or a fire and, you know, it's,. It helps to if you're really interested in resilience to make sure that you've got a diversity of.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : people with a diversity of skills living in your community., and so I think it's a vital, vital piece of this tip, I'm so glad to see that there's a underserved business focus in the new purchasing program, just like to take it a little bit further and get it encoded.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, with peter.

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Lupita d, montoy, pb:. I really appreciate you have brought it up and doing the.

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Lupita d montoy, pb: bit that travel, going to the trouble of searching for the works.. I think that when I started listening to this as that's the kind of thing I will do to find out just how much they.

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Lupita d, montoy, pb:: they have done the homework and I, you know,. So I all of the comments have been really, really comforting for me, but.

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Lupita d, montoy, pb:, I'm hoping that what will move forward with us. that should I do this 30 next here,. It will be different and certainly not only words, but also in terms of providing what our community needs in the future. it just one thing.

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Lupita d, montoy, pb: one thing is about businesses and supporting businesses,. But if I.

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Lupita d montoy, pb:, if I can just remind everybody, lupita d, montoy, pb:, to give mind you know that people who are on the front lines right, now.

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Lupita d, montoy, pb:, are precisely the people that are have the least.. So if enough capital improvement plans is something that we can do to make the life of those people who have been regularly been deemed as,. You know, essential workers.

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Lupita d montoy, pb:, please prioritize over those. Frankly, I think having, you know, more open space or even a golf course renewed or improved, does not compare with the safety and health of people who are keeping us. You know safe.

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Lupita d, montoy, pb: in frankly, allied in something like the pandemic, would facing.. We do have those people living on our city. and many of them have very, very little included no lighting to keep their children's life safe.. So that's just my, my last comment.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you and lisa,. You were up next.

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Lisa smith, pb: yeah,, I'm just off of what youth, you said, harmon. I will also kind of second or third that um I think what it highlights for me is the importance of being actively anti racist or.

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Lisa smith, pb: actively into any number of things. You know that it's not enough for us to say that we're blind to something or,, oh, well,. We consider everyone equally., but we have to actually be doing extra work.

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Lisa smith, pb: to correct existing and historic inequities that are part of the system, or we're not really doing the work. We need to be doing., so thank you. herman for bringing that up. and I agree.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : any more thoughts beyond the resilience and diversity around elements of the plan and its conformity or not so much with the comprehensive plan.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay,, well,, harmon, zuckerman,, pb :. I want to harmon zuckerman, pb :. I've got emotion, that's almost drafted so.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : I'd like to make it,, but I'd like to finish it and email it to cindy,. So she can put it up on the screen.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, let's take a three minute break,, so that I have time to do that and edit it and we'll be back in three minutes. That.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. What does that? 646, 36? Okay.

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Cindy spence, cob: great.

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Cindy spence, cob: good. yeah,, I was gonna, have chris take down a screen which you did.

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Cindy spence, cob:, okay, thanks.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay, took a little too long,, but I'm bad.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : and cindy, you should email. I.

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Cindy spence, cob: just got it.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : okay., so cindy is going to put it up on the screen when she gets it.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : up on the screen.. We can read it together.

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Cindy spence, cob: is the simplest of the one of the cat is this. in addition to like an additional conditioners that.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. It contains all the language in the city's proposed.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : motion up to the semi colon.

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Cindy spence, cob: okay. harmon zuckerman,, pb :, and then I just added a furthermore.

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Peter vitale pb: course you did., I wouldn't peter vitale pb: here in furthermore,.

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Cindy spence, cob: all right,, I'm going to share the screen.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : oh, we're already harmon zuckerman, pb : john you've, already seconded. we've already voted.

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Cindy spence, cob:. Now this is this.. Those are my notes.

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Cindy spence, cob: I prep air before. yeah.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, alright. So what I'm proposing is the planning board recommend that I'm going to make a motion.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : and I moved that we adopt the following: motion.: the planning board recommends to city council.- the 2021 to 2026 proposed capital improvement, program, or c ip.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, including the list of civ projects to undergo a community and environmental assessment process, is outlined in the staff member and.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : furthermore,, in light of diversity, being a core value and a sustainability principle in a comp plan.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, which plan also contains policies promoting diversity, resilience, environmental purchasing and sustainable business practices that call for purchasing of local products and services.

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Harmon zuckerman,, pb, : planning board further recommends that city council explore code and other legislative changes to encourage procurement from and contracting with, local businesses. Minority owned businesses, women owned businesses and disadvantaged business enterprises.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. Can I get a second.

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Lisa smith, pb:, I'm gonna, make us suggested edit.

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Lisa smith, pb: looks harmon zuckerman, pb : like a second first, and then we can talk about friendly amendments.

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Lisa smith, pb: second,.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay. and then we have emotion on the floor.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : by joker minutes been seconded. harmon, zuckerman,, pb : by lisa smith and lisa. You wanted to potentially amended.

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Lisa smith, pb:, it was a minor word change., I'm wondering if we need the second further. If we have the first. furthermore,.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : yeah,. Let's take it out.

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Lisa smith, pb: awesome,, that's all.,.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay,, so I accept the friendly from my second or.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : any comments or discussion to the motion.

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David ensign, pb:, maybe to make it prettier., we could change. One of the diversity is to inclusiveness, in light of inclusiveness being a core value.

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David ensign, pb:, it's a similar kind of a word,, but maybe a little bit more general.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : well,, how about which plan also contains policies promoting inclusiveness.

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David ensign, pb:, inclusiveness, yeah, that's fine.,.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, all right,. Let's do that.

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David ensign, pb:, I like to david ensign, pb:, keep learning a little diverse.

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David ensign, pb: diverse if you've heard harmon zuckerman, pb : any other planning board members want to discuss the motion.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, I'm not seeing any hands.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay,, then I'm gonna make it the motion of.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, the board.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : and harmon zuckerman, pb :, so the planning board recommends to city council.- the 2021 to 2026, proposed capital improvement programme and tip.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, including the list of cfp projects to undergo a community and environmental assessment process, is outline to the staff memorandum.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : furthermore, in light of diversity, being a core value and a sustainability principle in the comp plan, which plan also contains policies promoting inclusiveness, resilience, environmental purchasing.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : and sustainable business practices that call for purchasing of local products and services.

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Harmon zuckerman,, pb, : planning board recommends that city council explore code and other legislative changes to encourage procurement from and contracting with, local businesses, minority owned businesses, women owned businesses and disadvantaged business enterprises, and I'm going to call the question.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : I'm going to go and do a roll call votes, since we're on zoom.. So david enzyme.

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I harmon zuckerman, pb : there, a silver.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. I understood.

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Peter vitale pb: hi.

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John gerstle, pb: keith latoya hi, lisa smith.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : hi, and I'm going to vote is so it's a seven oh vote in favor of the recommended motion of the motion and.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : thank you.. Thank you. So much to city staff graduations on an amazing job trimming. The document down by 75% of the page count and continuing to take great care of the infrastructure of our city. thank you.

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Chris ranglos, cob planning: and thanks to all of the staff as well,.

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Sarah silver pb: we're gonna, lose like 40 people from this call.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : got an all star team out here.. Thank you very much..

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : okay.. What time is it,? It's 644 we've been going for an hour and 45 ish minutes. Would people like to take five minutes to just reconnect with themselves before we go on to the next large public hearing item. yeah. okay, see you at 615.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: question to amy morphosis.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her:, I'm just,, you have your hand raised., I'm wondering if that's raised for the next public hearing or if you have another question.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, all right.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : hi, everybody get a few planning board members back, we'll go to the next item.

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Lisa smith, pb:- and here I am just eating soup.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : thank you.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, I'm gonna before you get started,. I just wanted to ask.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: amy morpheus., do you have your hand raised. and I'm assuming that's in preparation for the public hearing. next,? But did you have another question that you couldn't get into the chat.? I'm gonna see if you can unmute to answer.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: okay, or, if you want to respond to me in the chat. they'll, be fine.. Thank you.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: okay.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : all right,. Well then, let's get going.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : thanks sarah will be back. While I read the agenda title and and stuff. so, there. She is. so right now we're going to item five, be.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. This is a public hearing and planning board consideration of the following items related to the 2.84 acre property at 4540 broadway., the north boulder branch library.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : one consideration of a site review application to develop the site with a 13,010 square foot, public branch, library.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, including east west street connection between 13th and 14th streets, surface parking lot with 30 spaces and associated site improvements.. That's all you are.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, triple oh 43, and to consideration of a use review application for a governmental facility,, a public library on the site,, which requires us to review approval to operate in the bms rm to an m youtube's and districts.. That's.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : triple 48 harmon zuckerman,, pb :. I anticipate he'll, be handing this over to sloan,, but I'm going to first hand it over to charles pharaoh.

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Charles ferro, cob: nope, slum wahlberg will be presented sas analysis, tonight.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : great., so take it away.

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Hella pannewig assistant city attorney: the force long starts.. I wanted to quickly check in.. I don't recall if we already went over.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : that idea.

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hella pannewig assistant city attorney: and disclosures to peace.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : right,, so sorry about jumping right in and turning it over.. This is a good time for all the members of planning board to.

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Harmon zuckerman,, pb : think about the application and determine if they have any conflicts of interests have had any ex parte. Communications have to make any disclosures or need to recuse themselves.. So if you have anything, raise your hand.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : john.

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John gerstle, pb: yes, I've been to the site and spoken with a lot of folks about this ex parte,, but I think that I can deal with it in an attractive and fair manner.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, okay. and,, you know, I'll, have you in a second. peter? The you know. The concept here is that this is a closet judicial matter and each of us are meant to.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : determine whether to approve or not based on the information, that's in front of us, as if we're a seven headed judge., and so when we have ex parte communications. Certain members of us have information that the other members don't.. So we just close that theater.

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Peter vitale pb:, my family has a library, card.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : anybody else.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : okay,, so go ahead. Then. harmon, zuckerman, pb : thank you., hello., oh, sorry.

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Hella pannewig assistant city, attorney:, john, a follow up, question.

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Hella pannewig assistant city, attorney: john, can you make the decision today,, fair and impartial, and only on the evidence that's presented here today at the hearing,, not based on any information that that you may have learned outside of the hearing.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : thanks again. hello,, I'm slow.

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Okay. sloane walbert cob:, um,, so,, good evening, everyone.. The item for discussion tonight in some proposal to construct a 13,010 square foot public.

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Sloane walbert cob: library, sloane, walbert cob: on a city owned property at 4540 broadway,. The proposed library would implement the vision for a library in north folder set by the library master plan and then more folder section.. Any plan.

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Sloane walbert cob: and are you, are you all seeing the presentation.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : yes.

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Sloane walbert cob:, so in terms of the review process,, a concept plan and site review are required for the project, since the site is over two acres and area.

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Sloane walbert cob:, it comes up. Plan review was reviewed by planning board last year and this would be the subsequent site review. Application., the library is considered a governmental facility in the land use code, and I used to review is required for governmental facilities in the rm to and youtube districts.

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Sloane walbert cob:, and I would just note that there is a number of modifications that are necessary, as part of the site review,, including a 6.3% parking reduction.

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Sloane walbert cob:, so as part of the public process, written notice was sent, and notice was posted on the property.

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Sloane walbert cob: staff has received a number of written written responses which were afforded to the board for consideration.

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Sloane walbert cob:, and it's also important to note that this proposal follows a series of community engagement events organized and facilitated by the library.

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Sloane walbert cob:, which began in august of 2018, and I think the library of plans to cover that a bit in their presentation and the feedback received through the engagement process was detailed. In a few. A full community engagement report.

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Sloane walbert cob:, so the approximately 2.75 acre property is located wester, broadway and north of violet avenue.. It's a roughly. Why shoot site with frontages on for streets or mile canyon creek runs through the site and the subject. Property is undeveloped,.

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Sloane walbert cob: regarding the adoptive plans, but create the framework for the review of this project.. So the property is located within the boundaries of the north folder subcommittee plan,, which was first adopted in 1995 to guide development in the north folder area.

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Sloane walbert cob: in addition,, the need for a full service library is a priority goal in the 2018 folder. public library master plan,, which was adopted in 2018.

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Sloane walbert, cob: and then lastly,. The project is part of the capital improvement plan,, which includes of $1.7 million for the design and construction of the library and what you just heard presented.

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Sloane walbert cob: in terms of city involvement and planning on the property are the city's involvement began in 1997 that your city council directed staff to acquire your.

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Sloane walbert cob: land in the area for a branch, library, site,, a village, green or other public uses, and the intent of that was to implement the vision that was being created through the end result or sub community plan..

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Sloane walbert cob: after receiving direction from city council.- the city negotiated with safeway for the donation of the site. At that time, safeway was intending to develop the property to the north, with the grocery and in 1999. The property was donated to the city for public purposes, such as a library.

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Sloane walbert cob:, and I would also note in 2003 that conditions with a deed or amended to allow for a 21,000 square foot. Building on this personal.

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Sloane walbert cob:, the property is designated as three separate designations on the land use map of the comprehensive plan,. The proposed library structure and parking lot would be located within the mixed use. Business designation.

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Sloane walbert, cob: and likewise, the project site crosses three zoning boundaries and the building would be located within the me to portion of the site.

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Sloane walbert cob: the site is impacted by the high hazard combined zone 100 year, flood plain and 500 year flood plan for my own killing creek,. The development would be located outside of the zones.

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Sloane, walbert, cob: and the area is considered high functioning. what lens and is impacted by the 25 foot, inner buffer area and 50 foot outer buffer area, and the proposal is in compliance with us at ease. Butlin regulations.

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Sloane walbert cob: I'm to provide some further context,. The property was annexed in 1990 as part of the larger north folder group annexation,, and the surrounding area has evolved over the last 30 years and now includes.

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Sloane walbert cob:, more urban style development and mixed use, neighborhoods,, which has been planned for through this community plan.

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Sloane walbert cob:, so the site is neighborhood by the uptown development, uptown broadway and mixed use, development to the north.

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Sloane walbert cob: the buildings in this development or two and three stories in heights, with a maximum height of 48 feet.

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Sloane walbert cob:, the violet crossing residential development, is located to the south,, which features two and three storey buildings,. The boulder meadows mobile home park is located to the east,, which contains approximately 640 manufactured homes, and there is a.

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Sloane walbert cob: defined vehicular storage area immediately to the south or within the site.

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Sloane walbert cob:, so I would just know it's not shown here but violet park is a plans neighborhood park to the south east of this site on a city on personal and is intended for a neighborhood park.

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Sloane walbert cob:, so moving on to the proposal,, the proposal is for, as I noted, a 13,010 square foot branch library to extend services to north boulder as part of the larger public library network and.

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Sloane walbert cob:, the proposed interior programming, includes a community room by it. reading areas, offices, classrooms, tutoring areas, kids, space and a larger maker space.

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Sloane walbert cob: and the maker space includes a kitchen programming with cooking stations.. There is also some outdoor programming with an outdoor playgrounds and some outdoor maker space.

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Sloane walbert cob:, 30 particular parking spaces are proposed with 20 spaces and a surface parking lot and 10 spaces located along the access drive.

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Sloane walbert, cob: and in terms of bike parking, 22 short term bike parking spaces are proposed throughout the site to be easily accessible and five long term spaces are proposed to serve employees of the library.

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Sloane walbert cob:, so the site plan includes a trapezoidal shapes building on the north end of the site at the terminus of 13 street, where there is currently a round about constructed.

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Sloane walbert cob: and as I mentioned, a new connector street, is proposed between 13th and 14th streets.. The site is designed to encourage vehicular access directly from 14th street into the new surface parking lot.

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Sloane walbert cob: and new bike and pedestrian connections.

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Sloane walbert cob: are proposed to extend the existing trail system along for a mile canyon, creek.

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Sloane walbert cob: and the proposal also includes the exception of 14 streets, with dedicated right away to within five feet of the property line, and this is intended to accommodate the future extension of 14 streets south, so violent avenue.

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Sloane walbert cob: so as part of the proposal,, the site design expands on improvements made with the uptown broadway development, with an enlarged urban plaza on the western end of the property.

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Sloane walbert cob: and the access drive proposed is will be a private street maintained by the city, and this connection is intended to be an extension of that urban plaza and be a herbalists. Access drive with narrow street designed to accommodate pedestrians and bicyclists,, as well as vehicles.

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Sloane walbert cob:, so the proposed building is two stories and 35 feet and heights and the library programming is distributed on two floors.

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Sloane walbert cob:, the building is arranged with the highest points and the main entrance aligned at that center of 13th street and the building then tapers down to both the east and west, and the second story does feature I planted green roof.

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Sloane walbert cob:, once you can see a little bit in that image, there.

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Sloane walbert cob: the structure is contemporary and style, and the applicant states. that's. The design intent was to create an iconic structure suitable for a library.

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Sloane walbert cob:, the exterior of the building, is designed with two faces: a more residential neighborhood facing side to the north and a more public facing transparent facade to the south to address the creek and broadway.

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Sloane walbert cob: proposed building materials include aluminum, standing, seam and metal panels systems engineered wood.

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Sloane walbert cob:, glass, aluminum, storefront, windows., some stainless steel, mesh, perforated, steel and architectural concrete, and the design includes the use of several green technologies and systems in the building is plan to be net zero, ready.

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Sloane walbert cob:, so I'm in the stuff memo stuff did identify four key issues for discussion.. I'm going to move through these pretty quickly understanding but happy.

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Sloane walbert cob: heavy agenda for the night.

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sloane walbert cob: first step finds the proposed projects meets all the applicable set review criteria,. It is consistent with a number of policies and the comprehensive plan,, particularly those pertaining to culture and the arts.

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Sloane walbert cob: the site is designed to extend the existing development pattern envisioned. and then our folder sub community plan.

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Sloane walbert cob:, passive and active. open spaces are provided that are appropriate for public use. The proposal represents sensitive infill and the massive scale of the library provides an appropriate transition to the creek.

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Sloane walbert cob:, I'm moving on the subject. Property is within the area defined for a village center within the sub community plan, and the library is consistent with the vision.

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Sloane walbert cob: for a public use or a public library and north folder,, ideally located within the village center, and the proposals also consistent with the divine village.

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Sloane walbert cob: defined village green plans along the creek and the proposal meets the guidelines related to site design and providing pedestrian interest.

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Sloane walbert cob: in terms of the use review. The proposal is consistent with the use review criteria, so library is consistent and will enhance the.

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Sloane walbert cob: defined character of the area and the what wasn't vision through the sub community plan.

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Sloane walbert cob:, the library use, what have minimal negative effects on the surrounding properties and parking and traffic demands will be accommodated.. I will note that the board did receive an update, labor letter. earlier this week,. Regarding the findings of the traffic study.

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Sloane walbert, cob: and and related to the use review criteria, the project directly supports policies and the comprehensive plan in in the library master, plan.

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Sloane walbert cob: lastly,, stop finds with the proposal meets the criteria for a 6.3% parking reduction based on transportation, demand management strategies, site context.

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Sloane walbert cob: and the enhanced transit and multimodal access stop signs up the parking needs or the library would be adequately accommodated for on street parking and off street parking.

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Sloane walbert cob: and I was noted in the memo, stop finds up applications meet the site, review criteria and use review criteria and recommends planning board,, take the action shown on the screen and also write it in the memo. and as always, I'm happy to answer. Questions.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, thanks for that presentation, sloan., I'm sarah was that your hand.

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Sarah silver pb: yes, it was. harmon, zuckerman,, pb, : great. go ahead.

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Sarah silver pb: thank you., hey, slim., thanks so much.. So.

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Sarah silver pb:, I noted,, I'm sure we all noted that the plant. the applicant has had to change some elements of the plan because of covert and financial realities and.

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Sarah silver pb:, I tried to do a little comparison of what was originally proposed or most recently proposed, with the revised proposal based on the fiscal realities, and I'm wondering if you could walk us through.

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Sarah silver pb:, the impact specifically on the access street between 14th and 13th and the plaza.. It's that seemed to me like where there was the most immediate changes. and I just,. I got a little.. It was kind of hard to compare and contrast.. So I'm just wondering if you could walk us through that.

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Sloane walbert cob: yeah., you know,, I think actually the library and the design team would probably be best to describe that. okay., I think from a staff perspective,. The changes that were made were not substantial enough to.

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Sloane walbert cob: change our findings that it met the criteria. but yes,. They just have to scale back some there.

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Sarah silver pb: okay, yeah,, it wasn't so much about this.. I just really want to understand what, because a lot of letters. we got a six months ago were specifically about the access road.

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Sarah silver pb: and since that seemed to be where the impact was where the fiscal impact would be felt most.. I just want to understand that,, so I'll wait for the applicant.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : any other questions from the board for the first step, where I'm assuming we're going to have an applicant presentation.. So if your question would probably be better answered by the actual design team,, then you can hold it.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : the questions left for step.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : right back to you and you can manage the applicant presentation.

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Sloane walbert cob:, I will pull it up, and I believe antonia who's going to kick it off.

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Sloane walbert, cob: and tony.. Are you there.

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Charles ferro, cob: think.

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Sloane walbert cob:, I'm here. okay.

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antonia gaona, cob library: thank you., good evening. planning board.. Thank you for having us this evening.. It's been over a year since we've met with this body, and we're excited to be back and.

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Antonia gaona, cob library: and show you what we've, what we've done over the last year and a half.

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Antonia gaona, cob library: so,. So if you want to move forward., I indeed will address our community engagement efforts. First, so.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:, as on has alluded to the idea for northport library started through a community vision, long ago.

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Antonia gaona, cob, library:, community input and engagement continues to be the foundation on which we've designed the building and will continue to program, library, space and and amenities.. We began our community engagement in august of.

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Antonia gaona, cob library: and have sense connected with over 600 community members, who've further influence, library, design and future programming.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:, some of those meetings included meetings with local communities like the ponderosa and boulder meadows manufactured home, home communities, as well as local, a choice.. In addition to a student engagement initiatives spearheaded by growing up boulder.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:. This engagement has energized and propelled us through design revisions. these last two years and is heavily influenced the value engineering work. We completed the spring,, which was just brought up with a question.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:. We understand and recognize that construction, growth and development can be difficult for any community,. Specifically the adjacent neighbors.

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Antonia gaona, cob library: we've heard and been responsive to all concerns and have responded as best as we possibly can,, without scrapping the project or relocating the building,, which is not in the best interest of the entire boulder community.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:, our architect dan, will actually discuss how we've been responsive with our design, as well as the specific changes that we've made through the value engineering process.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:, but go ahead to the next slide. sloan.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:, so we did this spring, do some value engineering work., so the library has been identified, a gap between the money needed to complete our vision, plan,, which was kind of like the taj mahal branch, libraries and the be all end all of innovative..

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Antonia gaona, cob library: forward thinking, libraries and the available the available funding that we had at hand.. We were optimistic that the gap could be funded through one avenue or another.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:, but with the onset of code and 19 health crisis,, it became apparent that project funding would not likely be increased.. So in order to right size of the project.

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Antonia gaona, cob library: project team made some modifications from the initial ideas we presented during concept, review and april.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:, focusing mostly on preserving our ability for the library to provide core services and programs and maintain.

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Antonia gaona, cob library: vital community resources, specifically as they relate to the library, equity, lens and equity impact, as well as me, the development criteria and standards at the city of boulder.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:, so architectural review. These changes with you soon., but I do want to point out,, but in general, no changes were made to the access drive.

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Antonia gaona, cob library: to the connection street or to the parking specifically to the location of the lot. so, in,. In reference to the access drive know, changes were made from the proposal that we presented to planning board and april of 2019.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:. So all this value engineering work, which largely focused on reducing the building footprint,, reducing site work.

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Antonia gaona, cob library: and leaving our maker space as an unfinished show brought us into alignment with our existing budget,, which is outlined on the next slide.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:, so the value engineering work, along with a generous donation from the boulder library, foundation, has brought the project until alignment with allocated and available funding.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:, which is jennifer mentioned earlier, is confirmed and finalized and not subject to being taken for any other purposes or projects..

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Antonia gaona, cob library:. We continue to pursue funding opportunities to restore some components of the vision plan, which will further samantha's facility has been an essential to the growth and economic success.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:, and this civic and creative and collective prosperity of the north boulder community.. So we hope to have future success before we go out to bid for this project and to carry additional additional funding,. But as of now, the project is.

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Antonia gaona, cob library: funded in its entirety,, as we are presenting the the design to you. This evening.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:, so I'm going to hand it over to one of our principal architect, stan wood to review this amazing and beautiful building and then I'll return at the end briefly, to go over the timeline for this project. Moving forward.

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Dan wood, faia,, workac:, hi., thanks.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:, it's a really great honor sloan,. You can go to the next slide.

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Dan wood faia, workac: to be here again talking with you and again in boulder,, albeit only virtually this time.. This has been a really exciting project to be involved with, and a community that we've grown to love over all the.

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Dan wood faia, workac: months and events that we've been engaging with this community and we are really excited to help them realize their long held vision of a branch library for north boulder..

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Dan wood, faia,, workac: and the interest of time and and having had the benefit of sloan's amazing presentation of our project already., I think we'll skip ahead.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, so this is the location which sloane already explained. next slide.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: and, as long mentioned, the idea is to cite the building so that the the main massing the highest point. The only point that hits 35 is the is the peak of that triangle.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: in line with 13 street and by keeping the portion that faces the residential community low, just a single story, building planted with the green roof and using.

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Dan wood faia, workac: sustainably sourced would we are able to actually access that roof from broadway at grade with a very gentle slope, which allows the second floor to be used by community members when the library is closed.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: I'd also be the site of an amazing art project that mandy bank has and her team have selected,, which will be installed. There. excellent.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, and I also do want to point out that over the last year, we've been working with an amazing team of engineers.

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Dan wood faia, workac: from denver,, who are making this little building one of the country's, probably best examples of passive.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: sustainable infrastructure, and it is really exciting to be in a project that is this forward thinking we are using only passive.

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Dan wood, faia,, workac:, heating and cooling.. There are no mechanical units for this building.. It will be relying on fresh air, earth tubes, which bring in air that's cooled by the ground.

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Dan wood, faia,, workac: or heated up by the ground, as the case may be, into the building.. We have solar chimneys,, which will heat up during the day south facing and that'll.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:, create a positive airflow and bring air throughout will be using night cooling to kind of cool down the building at night when it heats up too much, and it is really a that's. A really exciting and innovative part of the project.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:, so next dan wood, faia, workac:, and here you see it from the north, with its wood facade. next slide.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, so I do want to address point by point all the changes that we've made over the last year, since we were here last mostly in response to community engagement and community input, and also input from the incredible staff at the planning.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, euro. dan wood, faia, workac:, so we dan wood, faia, workac: introduced. The one comment was that the facade was a little too uniform on the on the north.. So we introduced relief in depth by using multiple sizes of cladding difference.

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Dan wood, faia,, workac: sizes of wood. that'll give it a real rhythm.. We also integrated bench seating into this facade., so it really becomes an active place and a part of the building that you can literally touch..

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Dan wood faia, workac:, so they're, seeing at comfortable heights all along this facade and we've added additional planting so that this will be a greener facade as well.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:. We also increase the size of the canopy and we're working with a great graphic design firm on the signage for that., but so that will be more visible and clear. Demarcate the entrance. next slide.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:, and here you see the different materials that are used.. I know what points. there have been questions about concrete because concrete is listed as a material,, but this is really only a horizontal material for walking surfaces.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: and in a very small area., there's no concrete,, you know,! I would not think of this as a concrete building, and none of that has come up in the past,, but it's really just for a limited area. Parking surfaces. next slide.

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Sarah silver pb:, and could you speak up just a little bit.? It's a little hard to hear you.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, yes, yes,. I can't.

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Sarah silver pb: thank you so much. dan wood, faia, workac:, this better dan wood, faia, workac: yes,. Thank you., I'm on my wife's computer to try to.

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Dan wood faia, workac: stay child bombed on the zoom call.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: other that happened last night.. So this is the view of some of that seating and some of the wood.. The wood elements in different sizes on that facade in the larger sign.

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Dan wood faia, workac: next slide.

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dan wood, faia, workac:, and here you see it from the corner.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:: here you see the maker space, which is the large open, rectangle there.. There was a comment from staff and some members of community about our previous garage door.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: element here, and we've changed this into this amazing by full glass door, which really will allow that maker space to open up and spill out to the outside. When needed.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: and when it's closed. it'll really look like a big window into all the exciting activity. That's going to be going on there. So.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: should not think that is a garage door.. That's a really now become it really exciting feature of the project. next slide.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:, and here you see that in drawing next line.

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Dan wood faia, workac:. So if we turn around to the south,, which is the more civic facade,, this is the one out facing away from residential community and also looking out over the flat irons and the amazing views that we have on the site.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: and you see the three solar chimneys that really define the project and we've relocated solar panels to the tops of those.. So those really become.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: a kind of moment, a teaching moment for for people to understand exactly how innovative and how sustainable this project is.

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Dan wood, faia,, workac: and so those become a kind of iconic element of the of the project.. So those are glass face that warm up the air and bring it through those chimneys to to bring air through the project.. Next slide.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:, so one change that we have done is they have been slightly increased in size.. The proportions are much more pleasant I find now and they are now, clad in the channel glass,, which is an amazingly beautiful product. Coming from europe.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, which is a cast class product. and that improves the passive performance., and then we've added the color that you probably saw in the previous element in response to some community.

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Dan wood faia, workac: input that you know this side was also a bit monotonous and gray.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:, it will be a kind of green colored, aluminum planning and when I have this kind of moments of bright colored, all those windows and, of course, the brightly colored slide.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: for the playground., so kids will actually be able to climb up inside the facade of the building with a net rope and and slide down the slide as part of the playground and there's also a greenhouse incorporated into the facade. next slide.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, so this shows the materials and some of the colors that are going to be on that facade.

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Dan wood faia, workac: next slide.

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dan wood, faia, workac:. So this is the site plan as it existed in april, 2019 and I'll be going through all the changes since then. next slide.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, so the building. got a little bit smaller, as you saw from antonio's slide for cost reasons. We widen the plaza ramp based on input we had from the bicycling community community.

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Dan wood faia, workac: to make it more bicycle friendly.. So that's a very wide 12 foot wide ramp that will also accommodate this able to access., but of course, disabled patrons can come from any side of this building and access at any of the entrances.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:. We also revise the plaza area.. We got a lot of comments that this would be a really exciting.

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Dan wood faia, workac: place for community events.. We also heard from the retail.

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Dan wood faia, workac: owners who board on a who border on the plaza., and so we removed the trees from the plaza. and put them to the south.. So those still provide shading on the possible we've really expanded. The ability to use that plaza for events from farmers, market to book, book, events,, etc.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:, we have added new trees and additional trees for shading there on that south lawn. number four,, we've integrated event seating, as I mentioned, into the north facade.. We have also worked very closely with the boulder meadows,, which is the manufactured home community to the east.

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Dan wood, faia,, workac: and access., so that is a new access.

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Dan wood faia, workac: spot for them., so it's a path and the gate access that they will have the ability to directly access the library.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: and we're also excited that this site connects with the new violet park and we are working with parks on the connection so that we're sharing resources and we're really become part of that park network. As well.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, we reconfigure the playground, so that it could be accessed without going through the building and for people who wanted to just come and utilize. The playground.

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Dan wood faia, workac: and we reduce the ramp slope.. It was already an ada slope, but now it is beyond ada., it's a very gentle slope and we have heard directly from members of the disabled community and how appreciative. they are that they will be able to access this building in such a dramatic way. Next,.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, sorry.

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dan wood, faia, workac:, was that., sorry., yes,, sorry, here.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, so we so those were all addressing things that we heard from the community and our engagement events.. These this series of drawing shows the changes that were made in response to staff comments.

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Dan wood faia, workac:. So, as long mentioned, we have extended the 14th street portion of the parking so that there is a there is the start of what will hopefully at some some point, become the extension of 14 streets straight down to violent.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, so we basically kind of started that and got as far as we could. on the site,. We provided additional parallel parking.. So previously we had been asking for,. I think,.

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Dan wood faia, workac: 33% reduction in parking,, but in discussions with staff that is now 6% as loan mentioned, and those additional parking spaces are there at number two.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:, we have added sidewalk and crosswalk connections at multiple places. and we've also added bollards to protect pedestrians from.

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Dan wood faia, workac: from car traffic and also protect bicyclist from the steeper parts of the slope to the south of the building.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:, we.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: might interrupt you for a second.. I apologize.. We are at the.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: 15 minutes, so just jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: harmon is jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:. Would we would you,? What would you like to do.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, thanks for keeping time dan. How much more time do you need to finish this presentation.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:- this is the last important slide, have two more things to say here and I.

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Harmon zuckerman,, pb : think that's pretty.. Why don't you.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : take a couple minutes, and then you can wrap it. Up. yep.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, that's fine., so we demarcated the south with color, as I mentioned, and the maker space. I've. Actually I've already mentioned, all those things.. So if you go the next slide.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, so this is the final site plan. next slide.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:: this is where we add on the schedule due to coven. There were not only budget issues but schedule issues and,, you know, we're really happy to be here. finally, at the planning hearing.. So I don't know if antonia you want to mention anything else about this,, but.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:, perhaps in the interest., so I simply wanted to mention that.

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Antonia gaona, cob library: just so you all know that we are currently in conjunction with doing the site review completion.. We are doing our tech, our tech, docs and sorry in our construction set. We plan to.

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Antonia gaona, cob library: go out for a public competitive bid for general contractor to be released near the end of the year with contracting and ramping up for construction,. The first quarter of next year was construction to break ground and eight in april or may of 2021.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:, excellent.

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dan wood, faia, workac: thank you.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:, so we'll take any questions that the board may have a bus, and although we tried to hurry for time., I'm sure that.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:, whatever questions you have, or the antonia gaona, cob library: public, as we most likely have an answer to them and.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay, great.. Thank you guys very much for that presentation.. Do any members of planning board have questions for the applicant before we go to public comment.

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Peter vitale pb:, I got one.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : before it.

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Peter vitale pb:, so thank you for that., it's very exciting and it.

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Peter vitale pb: needed the passive component.

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Peter vitale pb: I'd like to hear a little more about that and how it relates to the city's.

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Peter vitale pb: climate goals, in particular embodied carbon representing half of the footprint, almost as much as some would say the operation and how.

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Peter vitale pb: that was considered alongside the very noble goal of passive, and I originally it was thinking of the red list. As you when you said the word concrete.

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Peter vitale pb: and then I started thinking instead about the embodied carbon conversation and as.

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Peter vitale pb:. This is a great opportunity for our city to practice what we preach,, which we are very much doing, but how you wrestled with that, because I know, nothing's ever going to be exactly perfect, because this is the real world.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: yes,, thank you for that.. I mean, invited carbon is the future of our profession to wrestle with that, and we do wrestle with it all the time. I should mention our firm is very invested in in sustainable work, and that is our main focus.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: and as you mentioned,, it is also at the moment,. It's still very difficult to get a handle on.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, we are trying to use as much material from the immediate region as possible.. We are working with the city.

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Dan wood faia, workac: still,, I believe,, although the timing is really tricky to work on this with the demolition at the hospital site,, they are basically.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, going through all the steel in that building and noting down all the sizes and the colorado does allow you to use.

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Dan wood faia, workac: reclaimed steel for new structural construction., so that would be something that would be incredibly exciting because obviously steel things like steel and concrete to have a lot of invited carbon in them. So so that's one thing that we are still hoping might work.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: and you know we- we are using wood on the on the facade,, which is a renewable resource and we've been sure to work with reputable firm procurers for that.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:, although we haven't selected., there are quite a few in colorado area which is great., but you know,, it's that that is the next step,. I have to say.

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Peter vitale pb: thank you for guessing that.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, damn,, you're, harmon, zuckerman,, pb :, saying that if you could go to a scrap yard with a list of structural members of certain sizes and find them there., you could just take them and sandblasted and pay them and put them in this new building.

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Dan wood faia, workac: yeah,, I mean, as long as the structural engineer, analyzes them for their structural capacity. But you know steel doesn't degrade in the same way as other materials do so colorado does allow for that.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, that is exciting., that's cool.,.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, :, wow. okay,. Anybody else, questions for the applicant.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : john versatile.

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John gerstle, pb: yeah,, so john gerstle, pb:, I think the ramp going up to the second floor is very interesting and feed,. But are you proposing some sort of bannister or rail to keep people from falling off the edge.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, we are in the dan wood, faia, workac: visible. Yes, the code, code is quite specific about what's required. When people go up ramps inside the building. so certainly,, it will have 42 inch rail with all the structural capacity that a guardrail needs to have.

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Dan wood, faia,, workac: and, of course, on one side, if you fall over, you'll just be on the green roof,, but on the other side there is a little bit of a drop. but no,. There is an end, in fact that stainless steel mesh that was mentioned is the guardrail material.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : sarah.

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Sarah silver pb:, so in the proposal, it seems to have, in part because of financial reality is gone from being a net zero building to a net zero ready building.

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Sarah silver pb:: can you just help? Those of us who are not energy experts understand what that means and how a building that's net zero ready,, given all of the built ins that you have in the building eventually goes online as net zero.

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Dan wood, faia,, workac:, your. yeah,, I think that's it. and I wanted to address that.. So I'm glad you for this question.

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Dan wood, faia,, workac: so nancy or was an extremely ambitious building goal for any building to kind of carry on its own, and for a small building like this, it actually is.. It would really be a great feat.

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Dan wood, faia,, workac: however,, that's the,, let's say bad news on the,. The good news is the primary way that we, that we have transitioned from net 00 ready is in photovoltaic panels.

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Dan wood, faia,, workac: and so we've reduced them from being able to provide all the power that the building needs.

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Dan wood faia, workac: to providing a percentage of the power. however,. All the necessary infrastructure is still in the budget and in the project.

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Dan wood faia, workac: to put solar panels on the roof at any moment where it becomes financially feasible,. The better part of that good news is that, because of all the passive technologies that we're using.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:, you know,, as our engineers like to say, you don't need to cool a building that doesn't get hot, and you don't need to heat a building that doesn't get cool,. We're going to insulate the heck out of this. and so.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:, the energy usage of this building is actually very, very small.. So in a bad way that made the solar, panels, kind of a huge investment for what was going to be a very small amount of power.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:, but in a good way. you know,, it means that,. You know, we're just going to be pulling a small small, certainly for this size, building a much smaller amount of power off the grid that we would need to., and we do have some photovoltaics. I'll- provide a certain percentage.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:, actually house,, you know, everything else is, is there.

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Sarah silver pb: okay, thank you.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : next,.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : up, you can unmute. there. You go. oh.

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Lupita d montoy, pb:, I could have- was.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : oh, sorry,, the background, um,.

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Lupita d montoy, pb: well,, you know, this, probably my favorite part of the whole project. I.

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Sarah silver pb: used to teach lupita d montoy, pb: thermodynamics. and that was, you know, excellent.. You know description about energy being so important., I'm think, you know,.

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Lupita d, montoy, pb:, the function of a library is about promoting knowledge and love of knowledge, and, and I'd like to hear, if you have had,, you know, actively look of ways how you can look at this technology that you have. That was very innovative.

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Lupita d montoy, pb: to promote love of science,, especially engineering., I'm an engineer, and I like, well,, I'm looking at this- is like such a prime opportunity and specifically what is located mexico community, where we miss that much diversity in engineering and science,, you could be doing such a great service.

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Lupita d montoy, pb: to society,, but just really looking in thinking very deeply about how you can do promotion of this feels with our near neighbors and god,. I hope I get an opportunity to someday help.

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Lupita d montoy, pb: on that,, if that is ever available, because I really think that is a way to energize young people,. But you know the cool stuff that engineers can do.

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Lupita d montoy, pb:, but I would like to hear if you ever., I mean, what is kind of plans. You have that and how do you integrate that piece? Into, you know,, like,, really bring it to life., like you have building into the education purpose of a library.

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Dan wood, faia,, workac:, yeah, yeah., so from our point of view as architects., what we try to do, is, you know,, really celebrate those systems and make as much of it visible as possible.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:, I didn't mention the if apple were evaporate, them,, which is very cool idea,, which is there's a small courtyard inside the building.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: with plants in it and will through ministers, will be kind of bringing a lot of the air through that so it'll kind of pre cool, the air.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: and that becomes a central part of the building. and so, visually,. We want to make sure that all these things that are doing work are actually integrated. Completing the architecture like the chimneys and things like that.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: and that will spark chat, children and others natural curiosity.. So that's like as architects out., that's what we can do. what's cool is that.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:, you know,, it's a kind of low tech,, high tech, low tech, we're adding installation,, you know, the most basic thing and opening windows.

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Dan wood, faia,, workac:, but high tech is that it's all kind of monitored and controlled and.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:, all that information is being gathered on a minute by minute basis. We have weather stations and things like that. and we are able to kind of broadcast that to the public in the building and show people.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, you know,. Now the windows are going to open because the humidity is like this., and so we are looking at integrating kind of.

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Dan wood, faia,, workac: software and panels,- I will explain exactly what's going on in the building at any time.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: and we also, you know,. We have ideas about maybe labeling things like the rapper area,. You know, with our graphic designer to kind of just make people aware of it.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:, so yeah,, that's really exciting. and you know,, I mean, all that aside, librarians,, you know, they're the best,, you know, and they're, going to find ways to use this building that we would never imagine.

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Dan wood, faia,, workac: and they're so great, with kids and with with teaching and bringing in experts and things so.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, including you,, I'm sure they they they do, love volunteers,. That's for sure.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : next question from planning, ward.

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harmon, zuckerman,, pb, : david.

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David ensign, pb:, hi., um, yes., and this maybe maybe edward, will need to join, join in on this, but there's,. There was discussion at concept preview and I noticed community cycles brought this up again of the corner.

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David ensign, pb: radius of the 13th street entry into that drive to 14 street, and I don't know if there's dcs standards on that or what was looked at, but.

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David ensign, pb: I,. I wondered if that had been reviewed and whether we consider it to be the safest turning radius for that that curve that new curve, since.

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David ensign, pb: clearly a greenfield curve., so it can be done in the way that makes the most sense.. So if you could just talk about that'd be great.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, sure, yeah.. I will say that we heard that loud and clear. and we worked with our civil engineers gva and I will sharon,. Are you online.? I think.

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Dan wood, faia,, workac:, shanghai,, yes.

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Sharon procopio (jva):: can you guys hear me.

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David ensign, pb: yes,, we can.

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Sharon procopio (jva): wonderful., um, well, and I might, I think, david thompson and read stafford- are on as well., but the turning radius from 13 to 14 is that the area that you're talking about.

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David ensign, pb: yeah, from 13th on to the new drive.

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Sharon procopio (jva): that connects. yeah. yeah,, so that's a 20, a standard radius for a fire truck.. So it's actually a fairly.

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Sharon procopio (jva): accommodating radius for that vehicle., and so that kind of sets the tone. I've done. Radio is narrow, is five or 20 and parking areas and other areas so.

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Sharon procopio (jva):. I might let edward or david chime in on how that compares for bicycles,, but it was definitely evaluated.

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David ensign, pb: thank you. david thompson cob:. This is david thompson, transportation engineer with planning development, services. yes,. We did look at the turning radius.

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David thompson cob: and that's the minimum radius that's needed to accommodate the emergency access truck and part of that is because of the width of the shared drive.

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David thompson cob:, but I will add that they're using a standard driveway web to access to shared street from 14, so that will slow turning vehicles and there's a race crosswalk. at the end of 13 street again,. That will also slow the vehicles entering the site.

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David ensign, pb: great, thank you. and then, if you don't mind, harmon. I'll just add on to that, um,, if anybody could talk about the drop off location., I just could not see that on the on the.

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David ensign, pb: diagrams, where the drop off and pick up david, ensign, pb: his isn't right in front of that entrance. There knew that curve.

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Dan wood faia, workac: yeah, as far as dan wood, faia, workac:. As I know, the drop off is, is what we've designed it by the maker space so that there's enough room to drop people off there and walk out.. I think that if someone really needed to be dropped off right in front of the door., that is also possible.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, but we wanted to get it out of the access drive, traffic.

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David ensign, pb: okay,, so it's more down near the 14th street area.

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Dan wood, faia,, workac: yeah. and you said.

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David ensign, pb:, the parking lot.

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Dan wood faia, workac:, the building., yeah, yeah., dan wood, faia, workac:, that's what we have the. yeah,, that's where people will access from book drop as well.

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David ensign, pb: thank you.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, I'm just wondering about your to edm interest for for laypeople transportation, demand management plan and.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : and how you came to the conclusion that 22 short term bicycle spaces was enough for use of 13,000 square feet that says public service.. This.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:, we went by the code, requirements is 22, and that is what we accommodated., but this was also in discussion with, with david and.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: and the, the team, they're planning to make sure that we have. we at we did add.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: different locations for bicycle parking and if anyone else wants to chime in on that.

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Sharon procopio (jva):, I can also chime in.. This is sharing from jv a civil. We did also accommodate some trailer bike parking on the sell side which we expected would be.

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Sharon procopio (jva):, more commonly, visited by parents with by trailers.

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Sharon procopio (jva): there was some consideration for the placement and location and the final round of our site: ruby, recent middle and corrections.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:, yeah, sorry,, I should add 22- is code required for total bike,, including long term.. So we have 27.. We do have a few extra.

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David thompson cob:, but this is david thompson. again,. If I can add so because you don't see too many applications for a library., we did consult with go boulder on the bicycle parking being provided. and then those discussions. it was found to be adequate, or I'd, say: says, yeah,, it's kind of meet the needs.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : okay,, and you also david, look at the the bicycle parking at the main library and sort of to a comparison to see how that's serving and whether this is, you know, similarly well served or.

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David thompson, cob: yes,, we did. because you know our buildings right next to the library. so,. So we did bring that up,, especially since the library just went through a sec review application to, and so that did come up in the conversation. okay.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, so dan just one follow up and then I'll give it over to lisa.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : are there spaces that you have identified through the, the process of going through site review recent middle that would allow for additional bike racks. if it turns out that the 22 and five isn't enough.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:- I know we do have a lot of bike parking., I think on the east side, there are. there's a little, little extra space., so yeah,, I'm sure we could. We could accommodate a few more bikes.. I don't think we could double it.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay, thank you., go ahead,, lisa.

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Lisa smith, pb:, I'm kind of off of that question.. I was curious about.

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Lisa smith, pb:, cars,, specifically, and like, you know, families,, especially bringing kids and whether you looked at meadows and rentals. specifically,, as well as the main branch to kind of estimate.

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Lisa smith, pb:, how long you anticipate people will be there with the turnover will be like you know. If you saw any potential conflicts there or need for parking management,, which obviously we haven't made, but don't.

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Lisa smith, pb: require meadows,, which has a lot of overflow and typically reynolds is pretty accessible., so just curious kind of how how you looked at the other branches. when you considered length of stay and turnover of cars.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:, we did do a parking study of all of our library facilities and bill fox is here, as I thought, the consultant,. He can speak to that further.

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Bill fox:, know,, fox,. The fox total transportation. Group.- can you hear me ok.

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Lisa smith, pb:, I can I go.

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Bill fox:, harvey. howdy., so at the very early on in this process, when we talked about a new branch library., we wanted to understand.

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Bill fox: how the existing brands libraries work in the city., so we spent some time monitoring the rentals branch and the mentos branch. they're very different and how they're set up,. But the rentals branch.

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Bill fox: never came anywhere close to occupying their parking spaces.. I didn't time the turnover of watching people go in and come out,, but I did watch the turnover and it turned over fairly regularly to the point where they didn't ever come close to occupying their parking supply.

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Bill fox: I did. again,. I didn't attempt to quantify the bicycle parking and the turnover bicycle bargain,, but I sat there and watched it. A number of hours and.

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Bill fox: there were maybe two or three or four bikes at the most at any one time. nowhere near the 22 or 27. It's that will be provided have this lot now. The meadows.

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Bill fox: meadows is a different situation, because it's kind of tucked into a shopping center and housing right be right next to it, and it was a bit more difficult to quantify.

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Bill fox:, just the library influence on the parking and access, but there again,, two or three bikes at any one time and parking that.

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Bill fox: appeared to turn over fairly regularly of people going in and out of the park of the library, itself.

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Bill fox:, but there was a lot of overlap with the jason shopping center and the jason housing, so it wasn't as clean, but there again. we did look at their trip, making automobile trip, making and use that as part of the background for studying this site.

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Lisa smith, pb: great, thank you.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : any other questions before public comment.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : david did you. yeah. hi, david.

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David ensign, pb: just a little bit more on the bicycle. um,. I couldn't really located on the maps exactly where the.

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David ensign, pb: 22 spaces, where I'm will. will a number of them be placed along the north side near the main entrance,, because I know the bicycle is just love,, especially when they have nice pads like this leading.

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David ensign, pb: places,, if they're close to the door,, so I just wondered, um,- are there some that are close to the main entrance, or are they mostly on this side, just.

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Dan wood faia, workac: yeah,, we have.

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dan wood, faia, workac:, I mean,. We do have parking on all sides of the building.. We have five. I think you bars at the north entrance.

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Okay. dan wood, faia, workac: and there's some at the south entrance that we added,, as I mentioned, mason staff comment and then there's 10 on the east side.. So the bulk bulk of the bars on the east side.

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David ensign, pb:, if some around the north on the north side as well, so that.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay. thank you,, lisa again.

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Lisa smith, pb:, I'm just one other question,, and that was around the path to the east, that you had mentioned and how you kind of reworked that to provide more access.

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Lisa smith, pb: and I was just curious- is that, following the wetland buffer, I it's probably in there somewhere., but I didn't quite catch it.. I'd love to hear a little more about that.

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Dan wood, faia,, workac: yeah,, it's it's it's out of the way, wetland buffer, the existing multi-use path.

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Dan wood faia, workac: is maintained,, and that is that is out of the buffer and the path to the to the manufactured home. Community is off of that, and it doesn't go into the wetlands.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:. So let me clarify that the piece of the path that we're providing that's new is actually on boulder meadows property., so it directs. It directly connects the community to the existing model, use path.

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Lisa smith, pb: got okay that that's what I was wondering.. I just know in a lot of areas we use our multi use, paths. also,, it's flooded overflowed., so I was just curious on how it was structured.. Thank you for that. Clarification.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : anymore.

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David ensign, pb: I'll go ahead and ask one more,. If I could, the concept review., there was a.

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David ensign, pb: member of the public mary hart,, I'm asking whether there will be some research into the.

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David ensign, pb: land populated by indigenous people that.

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David ensign, pb: way to honor that at the building.- and I just wondered if that had been discussed at all.. I know that that's something that could still be done.

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David ensign, pb:, but I just wanted to remind us that that came up.

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Antonia gaona, cob library: as david and mary's, actually provide really good input and I've been in contact with her.

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Antonia gaona, cob library: continually through email. and the last time I I I spoke with her, I shared with her. What our idea is in vision right now is that.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:, perhaps the plants that are on the eastern side of the green roof would be native plants specifically to.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:, observe indigenous communities that are native to the area and the plants would then be called out with plant markers and memorial sign. That kind of speaks to the native nature of the lands.

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David ensign, pb: awesome. thank you.

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Dan wood, faia,, workac: yeah,, and I should just just add the reason we're doing on the east side- is we're able to actually get a deeper soil.

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Dan wood faia, workac: in there,, so we can do a much wider range of plant types on that area. Native grasses and things like that. cool.,.

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David ensign, pb: excellent. thank you.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay,, thanks for that thoughtful response,. You know, known about.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : ground and the hydrology and the superficial genealogies. it's cool., not a lot of architects, do that. and thanks for bringing that up. david,, I saw that in the minutes.. I'm glad you remembered to say something about it. anybody else.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay,, then I'm going to turn it over to gene data. she's, going to moderate the public comment portion of the public hearing.. So take it away. Gene. great.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: thank you. harmon.. I'm seeing, I think, folks are finding the raise hand button. It now is the time.. If you'd like to speak during the public hearing.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, please use the raise hand function. if you're on the phone. That function is star nine. I will go down the list. and I'll. Give you a few folks up. I'll have three minutes each, and I will waive the yellow, the yellow flag at 3030 seconds remaining and then let you know.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: when three minutes is over.. So if folks could please try to keep to that three minutes that will be awesome.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: and if you haven't yet already, please change your name to a full name and we'll ask folks on the phone to do that when they they are allowed to speak.. So with that,, I have amy morphosis want to go mess and tomorrow stone lined up first., so amy,. If I'm pressing that.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her:, there. oh,. I think I maybe just did that you can unmute.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: there we go., you can go ahead.

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Amy morfas: hi there. thank you.. My name is amy morphosis. I live at four or 555 13 street and, listening to the comments, I can appreciate the feedback and excitement about the building itself of the new library.

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Amy morfas: however,, I feel like there's, really been no concern put into the actual location of the library.. I do live.

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Amy morfas: near the library,, not where it'd be visible from where I live,, but the access roads are not roads that would be able to contain the traffic that would be.

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Amy morfas: accessing the library, and I worked for a number of years and active transportation and at previous meetings planning meetings. I've been to.

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Amy morfas:, it's pretty much been dismissed to say, oh,, most people will come by bike or bus and having worked in active transportation for 10 years.

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Amy morfas:, that's frankly a fantasy and it's not going to happen. so right now we have two roads accessing the library where I just looked outside and the three blocks. I can see there is not a parking spot available to anybody.. This is pre library.. So that's a big concern. I have and I think, um,.

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Amy morfas:, I think it's also amy morfas:. One thing I haven't really understood about this is, it seems, like all of you are talking about the services it will provide, which I agree.

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Amy morfas:, I read more than a book,, a week., I'm a huge library fan,, but it seems like there's been actually no consideration given to the resonance of where the library is going to go..

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Amy morfas: and that's a very strong concern that I have.

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Amy morfas:- and it just seems like it's just not compatible with our current situation, here,, especially the access road. That's going to be added in front of established units already that will connect 13th and 14th street.

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Amy morfas: is completely inappropriate for our existing neighborhood, and I am just on the record for saying,. I'm very much against this. Also the libraries and a flood plan floodplain. and I just,- I don't understand quite how that has been ignored and.

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Amy morfas:, I think for me the biggest question is when I was at I've, been a number of planning meetings for this and when the library director was asked.

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Amy morfas:, aside from the fact that the city already owns this land that the library is being built, in.

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Amy morfas:, please tell me one other benefit of trying to squeeze this library into this spot, and he did not have an answer at all..

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Amy morfas: up here in north boulder.. We have changed from light industrial into residential and there are so many better spots accessible from broadway for a public.

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Amy morfas: library that would serve the community,, but they are all being ignored due to just financial reasons- and I see all of you be excited about this building and the thermal.

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Amy morfas:, none of you live here.. None of you will be impacted by this. and I just feel like it's just being we're just being brushed aside as as any concerns that we may have.

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Amy morfas: um, amy morfas:. I just feel like we're just not even being considered.. You guys are talking about thermal planning and no consideration of the neighborhood whatsoever.. Thank you for your time.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, thank you, amy.

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jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her:, hey, wanna is up next and then tomorrow, stone and then dario blackburn.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: want to.. You can go ahead.

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Juana gomez: thank you., I'm one. I will miss. I'm a longtime, boulder resident and current. Chair of the library commission.-.

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Juana gomez: a proposal north boulder library building will be the combination of over 20 years of promises and efforts for a civic space. In that neighborhood. Former council people and community activists fought hard to get to the incremental step of a corner library opened.

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Juana gomez:, with the expectation that this would lead to a permanent location for a community space.

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The juana gomez: library masterplan indicated the need for a branch library in north boulder and the 2018 masterplan again presented this project as one of the main goals. This master plan was reviewed and commanded by planning board and adopted by city. Council.-.

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Juana gomez: in the process of the design of this building., there were many community engagement.

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Juana gomez:, I attended several of them,, including a spanish language. One folder meadows.

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Juana gomez: and the proposal of this library. there was met with wild enthusiasm.

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Juana gomez: the design proposal is for a beautiful and iconic building that will serve the wider community.

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Juana gomez:, it will be innovative and energy and sustainability will incorporate facilities requested by the neighborhood.

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Juana gomez: it's sizes, far smaller than the 21,000 square feet allowed. It will offer indoor and outdoor amenities,. The design team have responded to input from city staff and from neighbors.

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Juana gomez: and have adjusted the building to fulfill as many needs and requests as the budget will allow funding from various dedicated public sources,, along with the generosity of private donors to the library, foundation, will make it into reality.. These hopes and dreams of the last two decades.

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Juana gomez:, please consider approving the motion set forth in the planning staffs recommendation. thank you.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, thank you. Wanna.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her:, tamara stone is up next and then dario blackburn, and then stephen frost.

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J. tamar stone:, my name is tamara stone.. I live at 4522, 13th street.. I thank you for this opportunity to speak.. I appreciate your time and this venue in these times,. I have a short request.

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J. tamar stone:. I am asking you to seriously consider postponing the north folder library and the next project due to our current pandemic.

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J. tamar stone:, we did not know the next time we'll sit inside a restaurant,, go to a movie theater attend to see you sporting event or experience to live dairy center performance,. Let alone, spend time in a library.

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J. tamar stone: in addition,, our unique small businesses that make up the unique personality of boulder are hanging on by their fingernails.

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J. tamar stone:. This is not the time to build an edifice that may not be safe for occupancy for years to come. well,, our small businesses are seriously suffering.

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J. tamar stone: for me,. This is not a funding issue,. It is an issue of our deeper integrity as a community,. Please consider postponing this proposal at this time in our history. thank you.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: tomorrow,.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: next up is cereal blackburn.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: hope.

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Darielblackburn:, I'm okay.. Can you hear me.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, we can go ahead, darielblackburn: okay, yes,. I would like to speak to the issue of the the noble library and the homeless population in that area.

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Darielblackburn:, and especially since we, it will be very close to the homeless, shelter in north boulder there and I'm very concerned that this new library develop a good plan for being a friend to the homeless. Population.

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Darielblackburn: there are lots of resources across the country.

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Darielblackburn: from libraries that recognize this great need of the growing homeless, population.

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Darielblackburn: and that special relationship that libraries have played over many years to provide a place where the homeless can find quiet and safe shelter off the street,, as well as the use of computers and bathrooms, and and that.

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Darielblackburn:, I actually did my best to be to get on in on the ground floor of this discussion of this planning., I called the.

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Darielblackburn:, the commission that was for the agency that was going to be.

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Darielblackburn: working with this library to offer my my help. and I was never called back- I called again and again- and I was never called back.

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Darielblackburn:- and I really I have such a passion for including the homeless, because it's going to be a growing population and and we know that they are so. The libraries have been such a great help in the past and.

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Darielblackburn:, I want to be able to say that.

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Darielblackburn: that there right now, there's really growing concern across the country for the.

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Darielblackburn: for the homeless to be helped by the library.. So there's a movie now called the public, tells a story of a group of homeless individuals who take over.

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Darielblackburn: cincinnati library and protest during a winter storm because of a shelter,, the shelter is full, and there's nowhere to go.

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Darielblackburn: there's a man named ryan doubt who's written a book called homeless library., let's see., it's homeless., the librarians guide to homelessness and apparently libraries across the country are now buying this book for their.

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Darielblackburn: for the people in their library so that they can provide, you know, help for the homeless and and.

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Darielblackburn:, so I just want to mention this. I really, I just learned today that you're having this meeting and I have.. I just want you to know that this is very important with the role of the library does play here.

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Darielblackburn: and so,, and I'm thinking about the extra discretionary money, as you talked about harmon, that our city is so blessed to have. Let's use some of that discretionary funding to help the quality of life for the homeless here in boulder and hopefully to help the libraries to play a role. There.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, thank you, dario, okay, the queue up. Next, we have about 12 folks with hands raised.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her:, let's see. stephen frost and then we'll have adelaide her laura duncan and tracy sick, and I am so sorry that I am probably not pronouncing names. Correctly. okay., I'm stephen,. You can go ahead.

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Steven frost, (hhh/ttt): hey, good evening members, the zoning board, boulder city staff and boulder community.. Thank you so much for this opportunity to address you tonight. I'm.. My name is stephen frost., I'm a city, library, commissioner, and I'm also a resident of north boulder.

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Steven frost (hhh/ttt): I've logged in tonight to voice my support for the north pole., the library expansion.. This expansion is in plan for almost 20 years.

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Steven frost (hhh/ttt):, in addition to the obvious educational benefits that this library will bring to our neighborhood, will no doubt have a net positive impact on our community by providing a year round non commercial space that is needed in this part of the consider de.

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Steven frost, (hhh/ttt): novo, is a densely populated area, but it lacks a central, social and cultural hub..

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Steven frost, (hhh/ttt): even are fantastic. New arts community is spread out over many different locations,. The proposed building could serve to centralize the culture of our neighborhood and connect a diverse community by.

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Steven frost (hhh/ttt): without creating too many economic barriers,, the proposed building includes civic spaces that residents could use for school and community meetings.

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Steven frost, (hhh/ttt): and a maker space that would provide free public education to local residents.. It would also allow the library to expand esl senior programs homeschooling after school and summer youth programming right in our backyard for free.

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Steven frost, (hhh/ttt):, the new, noble library, will transform what is now around about and a largely unused patch of grass.

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Steven frost, (hhh/ttt): into a state of the art, environmentally progressive structure, will make our neighborhood, the envy of many others, and a destination for people from everywhere, economically benefiting businesses and enriching the lives of local residents for free.

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Steven frost, (hhh/ttt): and providing access to stem education, art, civic space and meeting facilities,. I believe that everyone in this city is entitled to utilize the library,, not just for reading and relaxing.

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Steven frost (hhh/ttt):, but also for utilizing many of our library resources to apply for social services or job opportunities without regard to your us residency or your housing, status.

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Steven frost, (hhh/ttt): I've spent many hours in our library branches,, and I know that the boulder library staff has demonstrated the ability to make our facilities and open and welcoming and safe space for everyone who wishes to access them.

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Steven frost, (hhh/ttt):, nobody needs this library., so I asked you tonight to recommend this proposal for approval and to help us make novo a stronger and better connected and more vibrant community.. Thank you. So much.

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Darielblackburn: yeah.

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Darielblackburn: thank you.. Let me look.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: okay, next up is jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her:, adelaide. Her then laura duncan then tracy's eric.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, you can go ahead.

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Adelaide, perr:, hi,, um,.

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Adelaide perr:, I emailed you guys at the beginning, the meeting the planning board email directly, that email that I sent out two months on monday to sloan and never heard.

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Adelaide perr:, it had 10 pages worth of comments and concerns and questions about the plan that is in front of us that we're talking about tonight.

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Adelaide perr: as an author.- I am a library fan., I'm not in support of this location,, since the very first community input meeting, two years, ago.

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Adelaide perr: and ever since and antonia has straight up lied to the neighbors,. The community input that is given to you guys is not accurate to.

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Adelaide perr: what the community actually wants, and, as a result, the trust with all the neighbors next to this property has been broken.

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Adelaide perr:, the first glaring problem is that the front door to the library will face north. the address plat lists. The address is being 13 street, which is north, yet north is somehow on all the site plans being listed as a rear, yard.

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Adelaide perr: and the front yard is not even on the opposing side. It's on broadway street., according to chapter 971 of the boulder municipal code.

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Adelaide perr: and youtube zoning districts., a 20 foot, front yard setback is required from the parking area and I want to know why this is not being.

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Adelaide perr: seen as the front yard,, even though it's the main entrance and why we're not given a proper front yard set book, set back with 20 feet to the parking.

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Adelaide perr:- this is also not in not in keeping with the sub community plan, and we did not have any street built in front of the uptown broadway residences in any of the.

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Adelaide perr: any of this upcoming plans, up until this point on site plan, a 100 shows that the new street is 18 feet wide, boulder technical, drawing show that the access lanes.

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Adelaide perr: should be 20 feet and with access streets should be 26 feet and with, and we call it what it actually is., which is the street to be 30 feet and width..

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Adelaide perr: and the city of boulder website reads that all civil engineering design must conform to that exists to the design and construction standards.

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Adelaide perr:, and I want to know why this new street is not being designed according to builders, design and construction. Standards.

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Adelaide perr:. I also want to know why it's acceptable to direct pedestrian traffic onto a private hoa property right next to a large glass windows that look into our entire downstairs. Residencies.

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Adelaide perr: with no landscaping barrier., it adds a premises. Liability for all of our, for our entire hoa also want to know whether the trash and recycling enclosure is about 65 feet from front.

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Adelaide perr: front doors and why it's probably like 15 feet from the pickup drop off area.. That seems like a really smelly place to place. It.

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Adelaide perr:, and I also want to know about privacy and why it's not being taken into consideration that when you come by this area at night., you can see me changing in my bedroom window and that will be visible from all the windows and from the parking lot.. Thank you..

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: thank you.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: next, next up, we have laura duncan,, followed by tracy zag, followed by claudia, have something.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: ready., you can go ahead.

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Lauraduncan: okay,, so I'm unmuted. right.. I always I taught on zoom for whole for.

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Lauraduncan: last year, and it's awful. okay,, so I have two questions.. One is a traffic question and another one is policy question.. I am an engineer and an educator, um,.

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Lauraduncan:, first of all, how our delivery vehicles going to turn around on 13th.

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Lauraduncan:, if you're in this neighborhood at all., you notice all kinds of vehicles, friendly staff and 13th., it's too bad. You can't see my hand gestures.

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Lauraduncan: they're all traveling south on 13th to find that can't go any further,. They turn around and the call to sac. and the same thing is true of cars.. What I've noticed in the design is a pinch point. Now.

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Lauraduncan:, what's going to happen with these trucks, are the next slide back down the street. that'll, be super, exciting and fun to watch.

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Lauraduncan: on., so I don't see that direct addressed at all.. We do have some traffic flow problems., so the neighborhood., I guess it needs to be barreling down via lunar street or whatever that thing is.

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Lauraduncan:. My second question is about the homeless and, you know,. I understand they need a place to.

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Lauraduncan:, hang out and stuff. what I'm really worried about is what's going to happen in that building after hours are on the outside of it., I'm worried about people camping out and sleeping on the grass.

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Lauraduncan: on that roof type, area. um,. We have a lot of homeless people hanging out here like all the time- and I understand they have no other place to go.. But I have some concerns about.

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Lauraduncan: providing a another camping spot for them. and I'm just wondering how that's going to be addressed.. I realize it's more an operational problem,, but it's something that concerns me as somebody who lives here and walks and bikes around the neighborhood. thank you.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: thank you, laura., jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:. Next up is jean gatza,, cob moderator, she/her: tracy's, I say uk and then will be followed by claudia., and then we've got someone with a phone number 908 and I'll. Just ask you to state your name when you,, when, when I'm unmuted, you teresa you who go ahead.

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Tracy zaik: okay, thank you., so I'm at 4525 13 street. So I'm my building a but where the new library is going to be. I'll, be the first building on the.

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Tracy zaik: north west side and from the beginning. I have had horrendous concern about access.. It just doesn't make sense to me., it's not reasonable.. I went down and I talked to sloan and antonio last year to get some more insight on the building and.

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Tracy zaik:, they talked about the traffic loan that they've done the testing that the other libraries., while this library doesn't compare to any of the other libraries., the other libraries.

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Tracy zaik: are much smaller.. They don't do nearly the programs that you're proposing for this building.. So I would assume that traffic is going to be.

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Tracy zaik:, two or three times as much. and those roads barely accommodate us, it's, I mean it's. Not only will it be awful for the residents and those of us that live there., but for people trying to access the building. it's going to be.

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Tracy zaik:, it's going to be horrendous., I think sloan said what she say: 50 cars. and I thought,.

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Tracy zaik: as naive as I am., I thought that was maybe 50 cars a day., so I thought, well that that might be doable. But she said an hour. all right, and that's for.

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Tracy zaik:, you know the testing that you've done on the other sites, and I mean if you double that 100 cars now 150 cars, an hour,. Maybe during the, the high point of the day.

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Tracy zaik: during all these programs. I mean it's, it's it's absolutely not going to work.. So I don't have you been there.. Have any of you been to the site to see.

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Tracy zaik: the roads. I mean, there's,, I don't.. I just don't understand.

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Tracy zaik:, you know,, I don't.. I think it's exciting., it's an exciting project. I think on another site,. It would be exciting.. I don't think it's exciting where it is. but, you know,.

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Tracy zaik:, when I moved there,, they said it was going to be a 5000 square foot, building, maybe, and it would be accessed from broadway. And now it's almost triple that size and it's coming through our neighborhood.

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Tracy zaik: you know,, our roads will be ruined. with all the construction tracy zaik:, so anyway, I mean, for the record, you've got to change.. I mean,. I think you come in from violet. there's a lot of land over there.. I was told to cost a little bit more,, but I think you're going to need to do that. and that's all I have to say thank you.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: thank you, tracy.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: next up is claudia, will be followed by the 908 person on the telephone, or you can go ahead.

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Claudia hanson, thiem: hi, thanks doing good evening, members of the planning board. That says claudia hansen theme. I live in the holiday neighborhood in north boulder.

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Claudia hanson thiem:, I'm really excited to see this project moving. Forward. I've been taking my two kids to the nobel corner library, since it opened in 2014.

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Claudia hanson thiem: and it's cramped but wonderful, and we really missed it terribly since the pandemic began.

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Claudia hanson thiem:, I think that a full branch library is a key part of making it more folder into a complete neighborhood. and, as we continue to add housing and services. Its absence here is more and more notable.

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Claudia hanson thiem:, I think the new library will be an anchor in our community, hopefully, in the same way that holiday park to them to the north. Already is.

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Claudia hanson thiem: I attended community open houses on the preliminary designs in 2019 and I have to say I fall more in love with this building,. Every time I see it.

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Claudia hanson thiem:, it feels spacious without being intrusive,. It follows the contours of the four mile creek and the bike path. and I think it'll be a quiet landmark at the terminus of 13th street.

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Claudia hanson thiem: and I really love how the design process has included so many voices from the community,, including students, at both of my children's schools. Here in with older.

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Claudia hanson thiem:, I know that the immediate neighbors have concerns about traffic and parking and those are common to any new. Development..

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Claudia hanson thiem:, but I actually think that overall conditions for pedestrian and bike and transit access at this site are some of the best in this part of the city, and they in fact exemplify what we should be striving for in new development through older.

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Claudia hanson thiem:, while a branch library obviously will serve some more distant neighborhoods large population,, including many children and youth, actually live within a very short distance of this site.

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Claudia hanson thiem:, and for many of us, walking or rolling to the corner library,, which has no designated parking, is already part of our normal routines.

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Claudia hanson thiem:, so I want to thank the library facilities team for sticking with this project and making this commitment to our neighborhood and to the design team for bringing us something truly special.. I hope will approve this project. Tonight. thanks.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, thank you, claudia.

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jean gatza,, cob moderator, she/her: okay,. Next up is the someone on the telephone and I'm going to ask you to state your full name: please. after that, we'll have kenneth patterson,, david parish and amy roberts.

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Okay. jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, you can unmute jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: by using star six.

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Hello, this is brett, saw check.

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19084338712:, it seems that the traffic study and the floodplain aspects of this site have catered to instead of truly reflected the issues of this site.. So I'd ask please to turn this into a park.

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19084338712:, as this site is centralized in a park fashion to hundreds of residential units which rely on this tiny lot for open space and access to bypass and.

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19084338712: this project will ruin the peace and quiet of this neighborhood and leave us with idling cars.

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19084338712: as a resident of boulder for 13 years.

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19084338712:, I would, it'd be great to see boulder to focus on the other city, centers and services which could be made better than they are now.

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19084338712: things like providing bus passes and wi fi would be a simple solution. This lot was a free, gifted lots of there's nothing lost by turning this into a park.

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19084338712: preserves the aspects of boulder that we love wall seeking better locations for this project when better funding is available.. Thank you.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: thank you., jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:. Next up is kenneth patterson,, followed by david parish,, followed by amy roberts.

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Kennett peterson:, so there's a lot of talk about cyclists and pedestrians accessing the library through 13th and 14th..

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Kennett peterson: and as a former professional cyclist for seven years., I already don't even feel safe on those roads there so congested with cars parked on the street that if one.

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Kennett peterson:, if one car is coming from the north and one's come from the south., one person has to pull over,. So I don't. it doesn't make any sense to have an extra 900 or 1000 or 1500 cars coming on these roads per day.

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Kennett peterson:, when they're already completely filled to capacity.

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Kennett peterson:, I guess I just want to know: why.

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kennett peterson:, the original 5000 square, foot.

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Kennett peterson: plan for the library was, you know,, almost triple., there's one other person said 13,000. You know 100 square feet.

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Kennett peterson: it's. It feels like the libraries being shoehorned into this lot. If you've been out here., it's an extremely narrow strip of land,, which is on the floodplain.. I lived in the area in 2013 in the library site was flooded.

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Kennett peterson:, I guess at the library- needs this large of a building.. There are.

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Kennett peterson: the city needs this large of a billionaire. Basically, two options. one is to purchase the storage lot.

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Kennett peterson: the gravel storage a lot and build out to violence that people can access it through there, so that it's not clogging the roads on 13th and 14th, and you can have a parking lot on that side or to make the make it some build library somewhere. Else., there's plenty of other places.

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Kennett peterson: in north, boulder and and cutting barrel, where people also need library that make a lot more sense.

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Kennett peterson:, I guess my,. My final point is a question on the budget.

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Kennett peterson:, according to the library director,, the total estimated costs for one per year for running library is just under three quarters of a million dollars. 770 $8,000 a year and.

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Kennett peterson:, it seems kennett peterson:. I guess bizarre that, as the city is for allowing and continuing continuing to lay off employees that.

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Kennett peterson:, the library needs this type of budget to run per year. Scaling back to the original 5000 square foot would obviously make a much it would be way. Cheaper.

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Kennett peterson:: if traffic was going to come on 13th and 14th, then there'd be.

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Kennett peterson:, you know, a third of the number of cars coming through potentially.

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Kennett peterson:, so I feel like there's there's options to.

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Kennett peterson: okay,- I guess I'm about time,, but kennett peterson:, there's options to either make it smaller or build out to violet or build it somewhere completely else.

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Kennett peterson: and I just want to know why none of those options aren't even being considered and said: this, you know, 30,000 square foot, extremely expensive libraries being shoehorned into a floodplain. okay, thanks.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: thank you.. I apologize for not the warning. Sarah was having trouble with her.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: hopefully,, that is resolved. um. alright, next week, have hot.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: david,, followed by amy roberts,, followed by dave hard so.

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Kennett peterson: she was nodding at the end of mine. yeah.

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David parrish: hello. david parrish:, so I'm david parish., I'm on the very new president of the hoa for the condo owners right north of the.

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David parrish:, the area there. so it's live,, work, hoa.

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David parrish:, so three of our buildings are directly north of the.

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David parrish: site and.

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David parrish:, I won't go through all the other arguments that we've heard already about how congested, it will be and how.

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David parrish:, the shoe horn analogy was, I thought, was quite appropriate and I feel like.

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David parrish:, a shoe salesman selling me a size, eight shoe for my size, 11 foot, and it's just going to be a painful process that will be with us for a long time.

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David parrish:, but I would like to just ask about one specific design: aspect, I'd shown on figure 12 in the.

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David parrish: documents that we got, I it's a cross section of the access streak between 13th and 14th and I'm the north edge of that street is parking and then there's a two foot.

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David parrish: curb and then that's our property immediately next to that., and so people exiting the passenger side of those cars will naturally walk on to the.

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David parrish:, private sidewalk that passes in front of the condoms, and that's that was designed as a private sidewalk, for access to the front doors of those condos.

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David parrish: and that's the only entrance to those condos I it's a very concerning from a security perspective- is that now the public will be directed on to these private.

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David parrish: sidewalks david parrish:, directly outside the front doors of the residents.

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David parrish:, and so I don't know what our options are, at that point,. Whether we can put a.

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David parrish:, a retaining wall, landscaping a fence right there to protect the security of our residents that it's a.

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David parrish:, it's a serious concern this point. So that's that's the one specific thing I can point to.

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David parrish:, thank you for your time.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: thank you, david., jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:. Next step is amy roberts, dave, heart, soul and mark merriman, sir.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her:, okay, amy,. You should be able to go ahead and unmute yourself.

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Amy roberts: there we go. well,. I appreciate people experiencing homelessness, to have a place to sit and use a computer. Like a previous speaker,, I believe we can provide more than just a place to sit.

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Amy roberts: I've spent a lot of time in the downtown library that library becomes a day, shelter for homeless.

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Amy roberts: I'm wondering how many librarians, you will find that are also trained mental health workers like say psychologists and social workers and mental health nurses.

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Amy roberts: from what I've witnessed it seems that boulder handles its homelessness through the judicial system,, who pays for people that can't afford the time they spend in jail for things like sitting.

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Amy roberts: in a previous year., someone from the library at a meeting had threaten that. If this lot wasn't a library,, then it would be sold to condo developers. Threats have no place from our town, workers.

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Amy roberts: we've already covered that our streets couldn't handle more condo residents. however,. If you are going to threaten to sell the lot.

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Amy roberts:, then I would suggest that boulder. keep it instead for a day shelter for the homeless., I prefer a park. actually,. I'd prefer leaving it just as the field is.

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Amy roberts:, if it's not a library,, I would prefer prefer the homeless shelter that would still require a road for ambulances, however,. It would require.

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Amy roberts: less parking spaces generally homeless, people that have a car will live in their car.. We could also provide a bus pass to the computer to the community.

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Amy roberts: there are more people buying and riding bikes due to cove it,, but I don't believe newer. Bicyclist will continue in the winter.. That requires more buses because of socially distance bus riders.

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Amy roberts:, I appreciate you making a plaque and native grasses to honor native americans of the area that used to live here. however,. I believe you could provide services for people of color and people experiencing financial hardship that are living here. Now.

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Amy roberts:, my suggestion, would be a bus pass for boulder residents. If rebus has would get families to the existing libraries.. We already have and provide transportation to the jobs that still exists.

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Amy roberts: and speaking of homelessness. I'd like to ask if there is still a bed provided at the homeless, shelter for a sexually violent predator.

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Amy roberts:, the last that I knew the state of colorado paid the bowler, the boulder homeless, shelter. For that bet, I approve of the shelter getting funding.. I just want to remind people that many homeless have mental health issues that predispose some of them to violence, sexual inclinations.

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Amy roberts:: if we're going to have something that becomes an impromptu, homeless, shelter shelter,, then I would prefer to actually have people staffing it that are experienced in mental health.

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Amy roberts: services.

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Amy roberts:, I guess that's I I just would provide.

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Amy roberts: was that my time., jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, that's your 30 seconds. amy, roberts:, okay., um, yeah,. I guess that's all. I have to say.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, thank you, amy.

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jean gatza,, cob moderator she/her: next is dave, heart,, soul, and then merriman, sir.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator, she/her: dave,, you should be able to unmute yourself.

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Dave hartzell: yep,. I found it. thank you., so yeah,, I'm dave hard.. So I've been a resident here at the village depth town since 2012.

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Dave hartzell: what well on the surface., this library fits into the north boulder sub community development plan,, but there's some problems with that.. The original plan included buying this mobile park storage facility and extending 14 street to violent.

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Dave hartzell: and that's to provide access to the library, you know, and help move traffic through the community.. I think we have a reasonable expectation from that plan that this should get done.

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Dave hartzell:, I know it's not going to get done before we shove the library through., but you know,. I hope that it does get done. Someday. and really, that's to help move traffic through the neighborhood,, but also for the safety of pedestrians and.

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Dave hartzell: other people walking around here. there's a lot of traffic in the street,. Nobody seems to get that traffic planned and get that. Apparently we need to go out and do our own.

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Dave hartzell: but,, you know,, this is this.. This is a big concern and if this connector street does go in through the library between 13th and 14th., I think the city should really consider making.

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Dave hartzell:, 13th and 14th one way streets lucas around all the way up to yarmouth,. So that way you know we don't have this conflicting traffic going ourselves on these roads and causing problems like was previously mentioned,.

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Dave hartzell: and. and lastly,. I do want to mention that the floods in 2013 resulted in a massive amount of water coming down 13 street. It went down broadway., but it also went down 13 street. That's going to go right through the front door of this library.

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Dave hartzell:, I don't know why this hasn't been picked up before I've mentioned it before in front of other planning and the city council,, but this seriously needs to get looked at,, because if we have another hundred year, flood.

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Dave hartzell:: this is going to take on a lot of water.. So that's my time.. Thank you very much..

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: thank you, dave.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: next step is mera mera,. You should be able to unmute yourself. go ahead.

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Mara, mintzer: okay,, can you hear me. yep. hi,? This is merriment. sir, and I run a program called growing up. Boulder. we're based out of the university of colorado.

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Mara mintzer: and we help get kids voices in city planning projects and we were fortunate enough to work with almost 300 children.

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Mara mintzer: at the local neighborhood schools., so chris view elementary and foothill elementary school to find out what they thought about this project and, I would say, the vast majority of them. Maybe 98% were extraordinarily excited about this project.. First of all,, the idea of a 15 minute neighborhood.

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Mara, mintzer: or even a 10 minute neighborhood., when you're a young person is huge. and because you, if they can access.

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Mara mintzer:, the library on their own by biking or walking.. That means they can take advantage of the services that are there, and a huge number of the kids actually wrote about and talked about.

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Mara mintzer: how they plan to go there on their own without cars.. So in terms of the traffic issues, which I know concern. a lot of people., please be aware that there's a large number of people who will be using this space,, who can't actually drive or.

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Mara mintzer:, to get there in the first place.

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mara mintzer:. Second of all, the kids were extremely excited about the nature in the area and the creek going through there,, as well as the native grasses and the connection to violet park. Nearby.

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Mara mintzer: and a lot of the kids. we worked with also live in the ponderosa mobile home community, as well as the builder meadows, mobile home, community..

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Mara mintzer: and for those kids. this was an especially impactful project because they know that a lot of the library staff will be bilingual and there will be spanish language resources. There.

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Mara mintzer: and the pride that the kids showed that their culture could be featured at this library was extraordinary.. I saw kids just light up and come alive when they thought about seeing themselves reflected in the space.

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Mara mintzer: right next to where they live, and they could walk directly there.. So I want to be representing their voices,, because this may be too late for a lot of them to stay up and be speaking themselves to this public meeting,. But I would like you to.

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Mara mintzer: know that that this was really important and anything that you want about documentation is all up on our website. growing up older.org. We have a whole report where you can see the ideas that the kids came up with.. So thank you.

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Mara mintzer: yeah., jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: thank you., david ensign,, pb: herman.. Can I just interject. thank you. mara.. I just wanted to acknowledge on behalf of planning board. and in fact,, I'm a number of fifth graders letters to us. the last spring, and we saw those and we appreciate that feedback from the chris few fifth graders.

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Mara mintzer: excellent. thank you., and just so you know,, the kids were not told what to say they were told that they could write for or against the library,, whatever felt right to them.. So I want you to know that this was not influenced by us as well.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, thanks for acknowledging that dave.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:. If anyone else would like to speak to this item. now is the time please use the raise hand function.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: um, can you have already had a chance to speak. um,? I don't know if there's a follow up question, or if the board wants to allow that.

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:, typically, we don't jean gatza, cob moderator she/her:. We don't do that.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : thanks gene for reminding us,, but that that is generally the policy on one three minute period per person..

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Jean gatza, cob moderator she/her: and that's just out of fairness and consistency for everybody., so I'm okay., I'm harming back to you.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay,, so thank you very much., all the members of public who spoke, and we're going to consider your input as we deliberate now.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, so I want to just go over the, the four key issues that staffs identified to help guide our discussion. and the first one is, they're all phrased in the form of a question.. The first one is just the project meet the applicable site review criteria in section nine to 14 h of the code.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : any comment on that: question.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : there.

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Sarah silver:, so I'm know you your that. Your normal way of doing this is to go through the questions,, but I do think it's valuable for us to also set aside some time to try to talk about.

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Sarah silver: some of the issues that the residents brought up and to see if there are some ways to have some ideas that could be taken to try to resolve those issues.

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Sarah silver: and I not just only answer the questions that staff has asked,. It just seems like.

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Sarah silver:, we would be remiss if we don't at least try to surface some ideas.

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Okay. harmon zuckerman, pb :. Do you want to surface some ideas first and then we'll go through the quest.

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sarah silver: sure,? I just,. I felt I thought that the residents had some interesting ideas. You know the traffic folks would have to be able to respond to them,, but.

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Sarah silver: one idea was maybe making that 1413 st. louis, a one way, one way, loop. one was,. Could we put a? Could the parking that's going to be on the north side of that access roads so close to people's front students? Could they park those parking spots, be on the south side of the access road.

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Sarah silver: is it possible to plan for an agreed to, as soon as the 14 street extension is built that that access road.

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Sarah silver: is closed to traffic and becomes more of a pedestrian mall,, except for the part that would be 14 street, all the way through to violent.

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Sarah silver: um, and then I also wonder if, given that there's been some discussion about outdoor programming weather like a restaurant.

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Sarah silver:, this this library might want to, um,, have a have an end time, a point in the late afternoon or evening when events cannot happen, after which events cannot happen, outdoors,, so that.

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Sarah silver:, the folks who live across the street.

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Sarah silver: continue to have sort of a residential feel in the evening., so those are just some ideas. I,. I know that staff would have to respond,, but I just don't want us to just dismiss some of those concerns.

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Sarah silver:, even if we all support the library proposal,, so I'm just putting those out there.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, okay, well,, you know, we're not dismissing those concerns.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : the way that we address those concerns. If planning board members on a member by member basis feel like any of those concerns are valid,, they might want to.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : bring those up as potential conditions of approval. that would be required in order to make the project meet the site review. Criteria.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : so,, you know,. If you feel like all of those are valid., maybe we should go through each one of them and see if your fellow planning board members feel that they're valid.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : and if it's worth spending time discussing them, because I don't want this to devolve into a proxy question and answer session,, whereby you just voice, the things that you heard in public comment and then add questions to staff.. I want you know this to be a deliberation.

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Sarah silver: sarah enough- and maybe the way to do that- is to first go through sarah silver:, those questions that staff is put out and then they will discuss some of these more very tactical or specific issues that were raised. That might be solvable.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, I'm also perfectly happy to go through the issues, one by one, that that were raised.. If you want to just start with that.

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Sarah silver: well,, why don't we? Sarah silver:, I think, there's a meta, meta question which is support? Does the project as as proposed meet address, how do they, the key issues.? How do we feel about the key issues.

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Sarah silver: and then, if we can get those out of the way we can begin to discuss these. I think I'm smaller issues that are probably resolvable with just some discussion.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay,. Well, let me let me run through the key issues then., so I'm going to turn it around and make it a negative pole.. Is there anybody who feels like the project doesn't meet the applicable site review criteria. so raise your hand.

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David ensign, pb: can I make a comment on that. sure,. I would just like to make sure that I'm because of some things that I heard people understand that in fact,.

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David ensign, pb:, the intensity of this building on the site, is way, way under what the, what the zoning allows. So it's not like.

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David ensign, pb:: this is an enormous structure on that site.. So I just wanted to say say that, because that is part of the site review criteria and then another part of the saving review criteria is.

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David ensign, pb:, with regards to building on floodplains on the entire structure, is out of the flood plain., and I heard reference twice within the floodplain., so I just wanted to make sure people knew that and that's all.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : okay,, so are there any,? Are there any folks who want to comment on on areas in which they believe the applicable site review criteria aren't met by the proposal.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, okay., harmon, zuckerman,, pb :. Then let's go to the second key question,, which is, is the project consistent with the north, boulder sub community, plan. and so I'll. Do a negative poll again in the interest of time.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : is there anyone who feels the project is inconsistent with the end bsp and, if so, raise your hand, and we can talk about it.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : there,. I see you talking., I don't know if you want to unmute and talk.

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Sarah silver: sorry,, I'm talking to my niece, who needed a lock the front door. sorry about that.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : problem, we're all doing this in our own way.. That's fine. thank you. okay.. So let me ask the question: again. is there,. Is there anyone who feels the project is inconsistent with the end, the sp.? If so, you,, you can bring up. Why.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : ok,, so I'm going to go on to the third one.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : is there. Anyone who feels like the proposed government facility is inconsistent with the use review criteria in.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. If so, please make yourself known.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : okay. and then the final question.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : among the key issues. Is,. Is there anyone who feels that the 6% vehicular reduction for parking or parking reduction for vehicles,? I should say.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : does anyone feel that 6% parking reduction doesn't meet the specific partner adoption criteria in the site, review criteria.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : okay,, so.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, so far what we have is we have every planning board member believes that each of the key issues have been met by the project.. Now, let's talk about some of the,, the specific issues that sarah brought up and I'll give the florida, sarah.

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Sarah silver: well,, I'm just trying to respond. I'm trying to be responsive to the residents who have.

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Sarah silver:, it doesn't sound like they have.. I mean, some have concerns about the library itself,, but many of them are just concerned about some very specific.

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Sarah silver: small elements of it.- and I guess my questions- are force for either staff or for the applicant., I'm not really sure harmon,. Maybe you should you should direct me in this way.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : listen.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. What's the first question you want to ask about.

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Sarah silver: okay, well just seemed to me that folks were concerned about.

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Sarah silver: the traffic patterns that were going, the traffic patterns., maybe the wrong term,, the amount of traffic and whether the existing traffic patterns.

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Sarah silver: will make it harder for the that part of the neighborhood to absorb the additional traffic and are there traffic patterns that could be changed to make that a little bit easier.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, so I think sloane's videos on but david.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you might be the right person stone and if you want to jump, in, you're welcome to as the case planner, but figure transportation might want to comment on that.

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David thompson, cob:, sure. and again,. This is david thompson, transportation engineer with playing development services.. I think staff would have a concern about making those streets one way, just because you're creating a wider travel surface for the vehicle which could actually result in higher speeds.

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David thompson, cob:, you know the cross section of those streets for designed to slow the through traffic.

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David thompson cob:- and I don't know if there's anything else to add,.

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Sarah silver: well, do you,. I mean, I think.. I mean, I'm just trying to because we're in staff in them., I'm sorry discussion among them. The members of the board.

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Sarah silver: are their ideas. david that you could have that you might have. how we could maintain slow, streets,, whether it be with the bumps in the street or something.

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Sarah silver:, that might, at the same time,, address the concerns that some of these residents have brought up.. I mean, I realize this may add additional cost., but I do think it's legitimate for them to be concerned to to raise concerns that.

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Sarah silver: their existing.

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Sarah silver: existing traffic is already are, existing parking is already problematic and now we're going to have more cars and there isn't really a base for those cars and and and so I'm just trying to think creatively.

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Sarah silver:, we all clearly support the library., and I think we should be trying to just think creatively about solving a couple of these issues that have been brought up.

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Sarah silver: so david, what,. What could we do conceivable.

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David thompson, cob: well,, I suppose city- does have a neighborhood mitigation, program. right.. So I think after you know, the residents can always apply for that program and then staff will go out and they'll measure that the speeds and then review the application.

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David thompson cob:, I david thompson, cob: know that the traffic studies showed that.

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David thompson, cob: the air sessions meet the level service.

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David thompson, cob: and,, you know,, they were designed. again, I'll, say this again.. They were designed to slow vehicles on the street.

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David thompson cob:, so I guess I just have a hard time understanding the speeding concept, because the fact that the streets had been designed to slow traffic.

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Sarah silver: okay, go ahead,, I'm sorry, david.

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David thompson cob:, I don't have anything else.

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david thompson. Cob:. Are you a sheep.

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David ensign, pb:, you were talking about me., I might want to chime in as well. I'm david,. If we're, if we're in deliberations. thank you,, david thompson. um,, I wanted to just support.

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Sarah silver: for a second, david ensign, pb:. I want to support what you're saying, because the entire neighborhood is two way street.. Some, it's very logical and.

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David ensign, pb:, this would be kind of an unusual placement of street patterns through this neighborhood. they're very,, very small.

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David ensign, pb: should be pretty reduce speed streets as is., so I find that I think it might be odd to try to shoehorn in some sort of one way traffic patterns through this neighborhood when there really isn't any such thing in here, yet.

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David ensign, pb: and david ensign, pb:. I feel that it kind of matches our overall planning for this, this neighborhood in general., so I just wanted to kind of support what I'm hearing from the transportation department, just from,. From my perspective as a planning board member., I don't know what other thing.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. I guess I did that, um, you know,. When we look at what we're talking about circulation right, now. and so,, tying it back to the first key question about whether the project meets the applicable site, review, criteria.

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Harmon zuckerman,, pb :, the criteria and number one on circulation is high. Speeds are discouraged by the design., and so the second, I think we could argue about that's potential conflicts with vehicles or minimize.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. We had an app,, a member of the public, talk about how you know the streets are narrow and when one car is coming one way and another cars coming, the other way. one of them has to stop and move over.

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Harmon zuckerman,, pb, : and and so, you know,. You might consider that a conflict.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know,. You might also not consider that a conflict. That's just.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, that's a traffic calming device where, through narrowness you, you create lower vehicular speeds and you create a safer,, more convenient connection.. You just have to drive slowly.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, when you're in that area of a conflict is when two cars are actually about to hit each other. and so,. You know,, as I read the the circulation criteria, alternatives to the automobile or promoted.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. We shift away from single occupancy vehicle. they're, also onsite facilities for external linkage.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. We minimize the amount of land devoted to the street system which this project does. and it's designed for the kind of traffic that's expected,, which I think it does. so, you know,. If we're following the circulation criteria., I think they're mad., that's where I'm going to vote.

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Sarah silver: all right, well,, so I'm someone must have one. When I couldn't hear what was happening.. That must have been the person who was talking about speed., I'm actually, I,. I didn't hear.

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Sarah silver: anybody speak to the issue of speed., so that's not actually what I was bringing up. I was trying to,. I was really so I apologize if I was being unclear.

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Sarah silver:, what I heard was a concern about.

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Sarah silver: there not being enough room for the amount of traffic that was going to come through.. I heard concern about.

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Sarah silver:, particularly on this. the parking on the north side of the street,, I'm being right up essentially right up against people's front doors because of the way the.

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Sarah silver: project has been designed and there was some a private sidewalk. that was sounds like it's.

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Sarah silver:, it's a little unclear to me, but it sounded like you have the curb and a little private sidewalk and people's front steps. And, you know, can,. Can this be addressed with a widening of the sidewalk, or can this be addressed with.

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Sarah silver: the, the parking- that's currently plan for the north side of that, so that access street being on the south side of the access street. I'm it just seems like it's fair to try to address these concerns, and I am very sorry.. I do not have the.

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Sarah silver: site review stuff memorize the way you do harmon., so I am trying to respond in a personal way without having being able to quote.

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Sarah silver: code immediately and I'm just trying to be helpful.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, oh no,, sorry,, you're,, you're, doing fine., I'm just saying where I stand on this. so, you know, feel free to keep going.

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Sarah silver:, I'm very sorry,, but my computer keeps freezing up. and so I'm having a hard time, here.

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David ensign, pb:, I will david ensign, pb:, help out lisa smith, pb: a little bit by asking david ensign, pb: if,. If anybody from staffer from the applicant side has any comment on the private sidewalk in terms of whether there's been a respect for the the proximity to the sidewalk.

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Lisa smith, pb: and before stuff responds, sarah,, you might try turning your video off and having audio only. I know it's not ideal, because we can't see you., but that may improve the buffering thing. sorry. back to david's question.

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Sarah silver:, which I didn't hear. so david,, could you repeat: it.

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David ensign, pb:, or I was just gonna form that into a question for for staff and applicant, is, if.

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David ensign, pb:, if there, if you need any concerns with the private sidewalk on north cross, the street and whether.

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David ensign, pb: proximity of public traffic to that sidewalk had been taken into account,. Just get a reaction to that. thank you.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, it's appropriate for the applicant to respond to this one antonia.. Do you have a response. go ahead. done.

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Antonia gaona, cob library: yes,. Thank you for giving us 10. I think we're going to answer this relatively quickly.. We have pursued a lot of different options for parking in that area. specifically,. So we did approach the hoa about.

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Antonia gaona, cob library: getting an access easement for that sidewalk in lieu of putting a landscape screening barrier in front of their property.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:. They declined that offer specifically stated in their official response that they wanted to have less parking in that area. To encourage alternative modes of transportation and to,. I think, in like decreased vehicle access to the site.. I'll, also add that.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:, we do., so we have.

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Antonia gaona, cob library: so because they declined our offer., they can plant their own shrubs or hedge there.. They can plant. other things that serve as a landscape bear if they want to., that's their option, um,.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:. Let's see the sidewalk actually has a one foot curb edge that deters people from going on that sidewalk and there's plenty of space between the parallel parking is stated, and that curb of the sidewalk for people to walk in that edge..

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Antonia gaona, cob library:, without going on the private sidewalk., so there's a few different things there that speak directly to access for the parallel parking to the library site without going on private property.. I'll also add it seems like a number of issues.

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Antonia gaona, cob library:, sarah, that you brought up specifically in regards to parking., there's so much to say around circulation, transportation, access.

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Antonia gaona, cob library: vehicle flow and parking and if you would allow,, I would like to permit our consultant bill fox to give like a very brief three minute overview of his summary of.

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Antonia gaona, cob, library: traffic flow and occupancy.

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Sarah silver:, so I apologize. antonio, I am having real trouble with my computer and I heard nothing of what you said after.

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Sarah silver: the landscape and we had discussed it with the neighbors.. So I apologize. If you guys give me a minute., I'm going to go up. see if I can get my niece to turn off her computer, because that may be part of it.. Excuse me for one minute.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : thank you.

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Bill fox:- and this is bill fox with fox tunnel, and I will gladly weigh in on traffic issues. whenever or if you'd like me to.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, okay., thanks, bill.

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Dan wood, faia, workac:- I think also just one quickly to add to what antonia said, just to be clear, that the private sidewalk that was mentioned is still 12. There's a 12 and a half foot buffer.

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Dan wood faia, workac: between that sidewalk and where the cars are plus the curb plus two and a half feet.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: to exit the cars are all standard,, but it's not like it's right, there. it's,, it's quite a ways: away.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, so the parking is in the public right of way.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: yes, the parking and the ability to get out on the passenger side.

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Sharon procopio (jva): passenger walk is also in the public right of way, though, to foot walk.

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Harmon zuckerman,, pb, : and and with those parking spots have been available.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, just as public parking, harmon, zuckerman,, pb : spots, alone.

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Sarah silver: um, thank you for those answers.

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Sarah silver:, all I can. I've tried., I brought stuff up and you all have answers for them.. So I'm not going to continue to to push.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, hey, sarah., sarah silver:, are you still talking and everyone's frozen. again,, I'm really sorry,, I'm having real problems. Here.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : yeah, one one other suggestion, sarah,. If you can hear me. one other suggestion would be to call in and mute your audio on zoom and just listen on the phone and be able to talk on the phone.. I don't know if that'll.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : help,, but it's I've seen it done. okay.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, were you gonna, say something when pizza.

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Lupita d, montoya, pb:, I said to try what she just did,, which is turn off the video and just stay with the audio might be sufficient.

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Peter vitale pb: yeah,, I think mcconaughey did something similar and interstellar, so we could think we could get it done.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, the internet, harmon zuckerman, pb : in the united states, is groaning under the weight of zoom right now.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, okay., harmon, zuckerman,, pb, :, sarah, you, if you can hear me, sarah,, do you want to move on to another question.

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Sarah silver: now I'm going to leave it at that.

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sarah silver:, I didn't come prepared to make a case for x,, y, or z, and since the response has been no, we can't do that., I'm not going to continue this conversation.. I don't think it's worth our time.. We have a lot left still on our agenda.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : are there. david,. Do you want to say something.

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David ensign, pb: I'll, let lisa go first,. You.

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Lisa smith, pb: extended. um I guess my question to stop and consultants. um,. I've been certainly find that the nobel library for some time.

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Lisa smith, pb: is off of sarah's question.. Is there anything that you heard brought up that you feel is not addressed, or that could be better addressed, and I realized that's quite broad. and I'm not.

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Lisa smith, pb:, calling out anything specific. You know what I'm hearing from staff and the consultant seems supporting them, is that they feel.

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Lisa smith, pb: that everything does meet the set criteria, which we also agree with., I guess I'm just wondering is there is any of this new? Are their potential remedies that you could bring to bear.

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Lisa smith, pb: or,, you know, do you feel like it has all been adequately addressed. Previously.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : directed at sloan.

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Sloane walbert cob: yeah,. I mean I guess what I would say is that none of this is new and.

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Sloane walbert cob:. I think the library has been actively trying to address.

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Sloane walbert cob: concerns since the beginning and and as antonia described, that they looked at a lot of different options for that access drive and.

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Sloane walbert cob: parallel parking and they have really tried to minimize the impacts as much as possible., and I think that's where we ended up at this design.

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Sloane walbert cob:, where they have pushed it to the south and they're trying to, you know, stay away from that sensitive area., so from staffs perspective,. I think that they'd meet their criteria.

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Lisa smith, pb: thank you., sloan, lisa, smith,, pb: and just one other thing I wanted to mention. As long as we're discussing is that some of the.

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Lisa smith, pb: parking issues, potentially, if we do see greater impacts with increased programming,, but there's certainly are things that can be done with parking management that might address some of those concerns.

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Lisa smith, pb: having,, you know, been up in that part of boulder.. I think it's true that there are times when the streets are very parked up, which it is designed to be like that.. It's meant to be done, sir,, you know,, but there might be ways to kind of address that, after the build.

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Lisa smith, pb: to manage, you know,, if we're getting people, storage, parking or doing something like that. other ways to kind of shift some of that.. So thank you very much on.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : it.

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David ensign, pb:, um, yeah,, I just wanted to check, sarah,. Are you hearing us, okay, right, now.

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Sarah silver: I'm hearing you. most of the time, I've just asked cindy to send me the collin information and I'm just going to call back and.

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Sarah silver: do fun david ensign, pb:, so I just wanted to make sure that.

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David ensign, pb:. I have, if you knew that that, because I, when I heard that there might be cars parking and,, you know, open up their doors right into the.

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David ensign, pb: sidewalk,. I was kind of curious about that as well., and so the explanation that antonia gave us was that there's a,. I think it was like a 12 foot buffer there between the private sidewalk and the car. So it's it's a pretty significant amount of space. So.

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David ensign, pb:, I think.

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David ensign, pb: that that doesn't really concern me. and then the other offer was that.

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David ensign, pb: bill fox, could give us a three minute overview of the traffic things to kind of supplement where we've already heard,, which I would actually be interested in hearing. If other people are so. I I think if, if, if you can hear, sarah would be great because you kind of triggered that.

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Bill fox: okay,, no fox. bill, fox: a and just to start with some historical perspective, because I in 1994 I was hired by the city to provide the traffic engineering and planning.

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Bill fox: as part of the north boulder sub community plan development,, and I can tell you I vividly remember, planning shirts in the old armory.

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Bill fox:, where we talked about this grid of streets that has been built, and this is exactly what was planned.

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Bill fox:- and I vividly remember a library on this parcel,, but that's neither.. It's just history,, but.

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Bill fox: the street and talked about the one way concept. I I agree with david thompson.. I don't think it's a good idea, you'd actually get cars. Traveling faster.

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Bill fox: in these blocks would be less safe for pedestrians.. The streets are designed to be slow.. There's bolted intersections, there's both about some mid block for pedestrian crossing, so.

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Bill fox: they're, designed to be the way they are from a traffic volume perspective, I understand, wherever you live more cars in front of your house, is a big deal to you, and I get that. and I don't like cars in front of my house, either,, but.

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Bill fox:, but in this case, we've studied the streets. it's hard to go around boulder and find residential streets like these, with traffic volumes that are as low as they are today.

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Bill fox: these the 13th and 14th and rosewood connecting are extremely low traffic volume streets today and have.

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Bill fox: more than enough capacity to accommodate.

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Bill fox: the additional traffic from the library., and I think our evaluation of levels of service and delay and q links and things all support that there's no argument with that. I, but I get it more in front of your house.- seems like.

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Bill fox: unworkable., but these streets can handle the additional traffic. That's projected.

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Bill fox: the one way street concept. again, I you would have to figure out how to deal with the ends. one way. Couplets are great., but at the end, they don't work so well., and so how do you bring them back together so that circulation.

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Bill fox: on the south end through the site is important in any scenario, so you don't get rid of the need to have that connection on the south end through the north part of this library.

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Bill fox:, if you went with a one way couplet, it wouldn't work without that.. So I don't think that changes.

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Bill fox: parking wise,, you know,, we've been monitoring parking in the neighborhood here at least three different times.. I've counted 15 vacant spaces.

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Bill fox: on the streets of 13th, 14th between the library site and yarmouth,, so there is some potential for some overflow parking. If.

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Bill fox:, the library would to require that. however,. Looking at the three times, I've looked at the parking at the rentals branch library that has 28 spaces.

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Bill fox:, mostly ever saw, was 21 vehicles in that parking lot and usually it's less in the teams. So.

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Bill fox:, I'm not sure this library is going to use all the parking that you're going to build, but that's what the code requires.. So that's where we arrived at that number.

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Bill fox:, I can't think of a site, that's better connected from a multimodal perspective with the high frequency transit on broadway and the wealth of pathway and bike way connections here in the proximity to a lot of residents,. So.

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Bill fox:, I just don't see a traffic.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : there,, look pizzas. got a question.. She wants to ask.. Thank you for that information with peta.

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Lupita d montoya, pb: yes. in fact,, he was getting to the point towards the end,. He was making the, the case of regards to the location of this library.. It really is.. I think, prime, because of the population, is right next door to populations with.

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Lupita d montoya, pb: in this I get I didn't- do the analysis,, but knowing what I know about those communities. there's children that will benefit from this community.. So I would like to know if that was a figure it out. Into, you know, the.

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Lupita d montoya, pb: the traffic, because I will they expect that there will be a fair amount of traffic,, but it will be on thought.. So a lot of the children will be just coming after school.

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Lupita d montoya, pb: potentially,. I would like to hear a little bit about that. If that was part of it. by the way,, the rentals library is my library and I use regularly.. I've been using it for the last 10 years. in fact,. My drive to get.

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Lupita d montoya, pb: to hear a little bit more about it, because I'd never had an issue with parking of that branch and.

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Lupita d, montoya, pb:, but with regards to these older one, just because it's going to be, you know it between two populations where they have.. I know.

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Lupita d montoya, pb: for a month of children that I will expect a lot of them will be coming on foot or on bikes about mostly on food.. I will expect. so was that accounted for at all and you're done. You know, evaluations of traffic.

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Bill fox:, I think I'm often even here still hear me not specifically in that we don't have trip generation data that says how many people, adults, and how many.

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Bill fox: children, access libraries.. I will tell you that we started with national average trip making rates for libraries.

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Bill, fox: and and boulders,, not the national average boulder generates less trips than national average,, but we didn't take the normal multimodal.

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Bill fox: reductions that we would take on a traffic study in boulder, just to be conservative, to not to not to be conservative in our projections.. So we believe our traffic projections are high in part because of what you're saying about people walking to this facility or biking.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : thanks,, bill. okay., so sarah, can you talk now on the phone.

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Sarah silver:, the answer is no,. I can't talk on the phone yet but they're working on it,, but I can hear you guys,, so I'm listening. I'm,, I'm listening to everyone.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : okay,, so.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. Are there any general comments that people feel like they would they'd like to make. now on the record.? Should we.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : go to calling for emotion or sarah,. Are you interested in opening up dialogue on some of those other questions that were brought up by the public.

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Sarah silver: um, no.. I think that sarah silver: a lot of stuff has been surface that was not clear or helps to clarify.. Let me put it that way., some of some of the issues surrounding the concerns raised by the residents and.

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Sarah silver:, I think it was lisa who pointed out that, once this building is built,, they'll be some greater understanding of how significant any of these challenges are and. and at that point,. Perhaps traffic.

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Sarah silver: can be sarah silver:, the staff and traffic can.

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Sarah silver: try to figure out some ways to address it.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay. appreciate that. um,.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : are there any other general comments that anybody would would like to make or additional deliberation? John.

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John gerstle, pb: yeah,. I just like to say that this library and its proposal to locate here should not come as a surprise to anybody who lives in the neighborhood,. The proposal has been there longer than the buildings that people live. In, have built there.. There was no specific design yet, but but.

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John gerstle, pb:, this has been a proposal, since the the sub area plan was adopted and therefore I and I think that the plans that have been developed are very thoughtful, and so is the traffic planning associated with this.. So I have no hesitation in moving ahead with.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : that very eloquent and good good background, john, and I'm also, while sensitive to some of the issues that have come up,, particularly in public comment.,.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : sloan intimated that those issues had come up before and I didn't hear much that I hadn't already heard through public comment and planning board questions in our concept review on april 4 2019.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : and, and I believe, that, you know,. If you carefully read the staff report, that those questions that came up and that you can see in the minutes.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : were addressed in the, the second. You know the additional site reviews of middle,, so I'm also comfortable voting for the application as proposed, david.

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David ensign, pb: I'd like to make a motion. If we're ready for it.

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harmon zuckerman, pb : absolutely. go right. Forum. david ensign, pb:. I moved to approve site review case number l,. You are.

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David ensign, pb: dash, 00043 and use review case number. oh,. You are 2019 dash, 004800048, incorporating the staff memorandum, and the attached criteria, checklist and smiling effect and subject to the conditions of approval recommended in the staff memorandum.

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John gerstle, pb:, all second.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, I saw the pizzas hand go up. First. did you want a second lou peta. okay. john.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : as much as it can. harmon zuckerman, pb : do it. I'm going to give up to the second.

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Lupita d, montoya, pb:. Let me done.

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John gerstle, pb:, I'm delighted for you to do that.

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Lupita d, montoya, pb: thank you.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : we've got emotion on the table.. We've got a second, the emotions by david and sign, and the second is by loopy to montoya or montoya, apparently as she's written her name in.

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Lupita d, montoya, pb:, my last.

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David ensign, pb: really wasn't your fault. harmon zuckerman, pb :. I just noticed that.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay. so, any discussion to the motion.

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Peter vitale pb:, I appreciated john's perspective here and it is meaningful and while I also agree with the traffic engineers assessment, which something that I've said, before, nobody likes to see more activity.

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Peter vitale pb:, especially from cars around where they live. it's.

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Peter vitale pb:, it's a net benefit to the community.. So thanks for that perspective, john.

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David ensign, pb: and david ensign, pb:, see if I could. peter, that.

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David ensign, pb: peter said some really, really amazing things about children, people to go over there, and I noticed that the underpass from the ponderosa sites.

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David ensign, pb: goes directly to this library and the presentation mentioned direct pedestrian connection from the meadows community over there.. So there's going to be a lot of really,, really great connections from very close in.

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David ensign, pb: mh zone, neighbors neighbors., so that's great.,.

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Peter vitale pb: yep,, it's time of information deficits that more we can do to increase anything associated with knowledge and education, better.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay,. If there are no more comments., I'm going to, and no one does anyone buddy have any amendments that they want to propose to the motion.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay,, then I'm going to make it the motion of the board.. We have motion on the table from vice chair and sign seconded by member montoya, and it's to approve site review case number. I'll. You are 2019 triple a 43 and use review case number l,. You are.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, incorporating the staff memo, and the attached criteria. Checklist is finding the fact subject to the conditions of approval recommended in the step. Memorandum. Take a roll call vote., starting with david, david.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : hi, and going to lisa.

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Lisa smith, pb:. I.

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Will keita harmon zuckerman, pb : sarah. harmon zuckerman, pb :, I peter I john gerstle, pb: alright. harmon zuckerman, pb : alright,, so the motion passes. five to seven to nothing, unanimous approval,, congratulations to the applicant team.

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Dan wood, faia, workac: thank you.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay,, I'm.

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Cindy spence, cob: ready. harmon, zuckerman,, pb, :, 915., yeah,, question.

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Cindy spence, cob:- this is cindy,. I just want to let you know, I'm I'm in sarah, could tell you this,, but she's asked to actually listening through the phone, but she's going to keep up her zoom.

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Cindy spence, cob: and talk through that., but she can hear everything on the phone. she's just not going to hang up and but she's one may explain that today.. So she may not be.. You may not be visible, but she can hear everything and talk to us.

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Sarah silver:, I'm still here.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, that's great,, sarah. thank you. and for some reason, I don't see. I don't hear any feedback,, even though your, your zoom mike, isn't muted. so great job,, whatever you're doing,, it's working.

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Sarah silver: thank you.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay, do people want another break before we move to the next, or should we push on it's.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : we've been added for two and a half hours since our last break.

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Lupita d, montoya, pb:, something I could use a minute.. My son is moving to college or monday.. I mean, on saturday, saturday morning., so I'm trying to fit them and help them pack.

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Lupita d, montoya, pb:, so it's kind of like a weird night trying to do all these little things in there., so,, you know,.

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Lupita d, montoya, pb:- this is my oldest son and lupita d. Montoya, pb: is the first time he's going to be away from me for this law.

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lupita d, montoya, pb: is a big, big few days left.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : what the lupita d montoya, pb: london. this next round.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay,, I was harmon zuckerman, pb : gonna suggest five minutes,, but in honor of your son. let's do seven.

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Charles ferro, cob:, but harmon zuckerman,, pb : it back here at 922.

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Lupita d, montoya, pb:, thank you so much, guys.

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Cindy spence, cob:, are you there.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : right here.

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Cindy spence, cob:: this is cindy.

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Cindy spence, cob:, I'm wondering, did you do we do an actual vote on the last motion.

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Cindy spence, cob:, we did all right.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. We did a roll call vote.

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Cindy spence, cob: okay,, that's what I thought. harmon zuckerman, pb : thank you,, david. second, by loopy to.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, seven to nothing. cindy spence,, cob: okay, thank you. yeah.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : all right well in a second or so it's going to be 922 and we'll get this going. Again.

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Sarah silver: harmon,, I'm here.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : there you are. good.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : okay.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : hopefully, peter, will come back in a sec.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, so what we're going to do.

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harmon, zuckerman,, pb : reconvene the meeting of the planning board for the 20th of august here after our seven minute break and we're moving on to matters.. We have two big discussions. Other matters today., so it's not just going to be a debrief of the meeting to substance matters. and the first one is the.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, discussion of the use table and standards project.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : and before I turn it over to carl or charles, who will probably turn it over to carl.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, just in recognition of the time and effort that he has put into it, since the beginning.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, I'm going to let david and sign say a word or two and a sarah joined the us table subcommittee two.. So if sarah wants to jump in and say something brief after david,, that's fine. and then david,, you can take care of turning it over to staff.

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David ensign, pb: sure. well, thank you.. That's very kind of you to do that.. I didn't prepare anything. but yes, about two years ago. We thought we would try to help.

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David ensign, pb: staff get,, you know, with getting this action plan item moving by forming a subcommittee and the initial members were myself: brian bowen and sarah and crystal gray and and then when crystal.

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David ensign, pb: went off the planning board, sarah replaced crystal and men,. It's just been sarah and I,. The last couple of meetings and.

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David ensign, pb:, it's been a great experience and we met in various places around the town that we feel represented. Walkable, neighborhoods and active street fronts and.

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David ensign, pb: kind of unusual businesses to try to get inspiration for maybe how we could make the us tables had more interesting and more dynamic outcomes that everybody would appreciate and.

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David ensign, pb:, it's been an interesting challenge because I'm intensity density standards were out of scope., so we really had to just kind of stick with.

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David ensign, pb: the use tables and try to figure out how they could become more nimble and and the whole idea was to help move them towards being more in line with the latest revision of the boulder belly comp plan, sarah. did you want to add anything to that.

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Sarah silver: no.

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david ensign, pb: great., well, it's,, it's been great. and now we've been working with andrew and carl on on that and charles has come to many of our meetings as well.. So thanks so much for being here and of course, with occasion.

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Charles ferro, cob: thanks very much. dave, so andrew collins is going to present staffs analysis tonight,, but we look forward to your feedback.. This has been kind of a long time in the making.. We really appreciate the work that the subcommittee has done in the time that they've put in.

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Charles ferro, cob:, and want to thank andrew and carl because they have really been on a road show for quite some time talking with different partner organizations within the community different community groups.. So we look forward to your feedback,. This evening.

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Great. andrew collins, cob:, let's share my screen. Here.

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Andrew collins, cob:, let's see.

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Andrew collins, cob: share my screen.

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Andrew collins, cob:, hopefully everyone can see everything here.

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Andrew collins, cob:, the presentation. so go ahead and get started.. The next item is the us table. the standard snyder's. I am discussion as we have gone over.

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Cindy spence, cob: andrew,. We can't see your screen yet. andrew collins,, cob:, yes,, yes., yeah.,.

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Andrew collins, cob: good.

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Andrew collins, cob:, so the purpose for tonight's meeting is to check in with planning board on the work done so far.

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Andrew collins, cob:, I will review the project background and history touch on the question yet results so far from the online be heard, boulder questionnaire and then a time for questions for planning board with discussion. Feedback.

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Andrew collins, cob:, why just highlight some of the questions here. now it's reference to think about as you go through the presentation.

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Andrew collins, cob: three deal with the overarching phase, two project goals related to neighborhood center areas and then 15, minute, neighborhoods and then the idea of simply streamline the overall use table and standards. Themselves.

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Andrew collins,, cob:, four and five deal with specific specific questions way to allowing flexible flexibility for creative uses, city wide and number five leads to allowing additional uses and light industrial areas.. These are more condensed version of the questions ever in your memo.

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Andrew collins, cob: on 2018., this was a work plan item for both planning board and city council and as dave mentioned,, this was undertaken and effort to help align us table standards.

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Andrew collins, cob:, more so with the bcp comp plan, policies and goals way to ideas such as 15 minute neighborhoods in the neighborhood centers.

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Andrew collins, cob: initial goals at that time was to align these table in a more consistent fashion with the goals of the comp plan to identify any community desired. Land use, gaps in the standards themselves and to help streamline and simplify the us table and the regulations.

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Andrew collins, cob: dave alluded to, as well.. The scope of this project is chapter nine, six, you standards., and so this is a section of the land use code.

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Andrew collins, cob:, which tells us which uses may be allowed or prohibited or may require us to review or be a new limited use, category. and so, intensity, things such as floor area bulk and form setbacks.. Those things are not part of the scope of this.

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Andrew collins, cob: subcommittee was appointed and they have helped to guide the project and make recommendations act as a sounding board for ideas to help engage with the public. phase. One of this project concluded in november of 2019.

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Andrew collins, cob:, a series of ordinances were adopted by council as an outcome of the opportunities own program and those ordinances sought to.

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Andrew collins, cob: reduce non residential, capacity. so,, reducing office uses and increasing residential uses and there's during districts that correspond with the opportunities on program and then those were applied.

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Andrew collins, cob: citywide those domain districts,, also in phase one., a overlay was placed on the census tracts of the opportunity. Zone.

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Andrew collins, cob: that prohibits the demolition of attached, rolling units and effort to preserve some of them are greater affordability.

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Andrew collins, cob: so phase two kicked off and december of 2019. We've held a series of 14 subcommittee meetings, which just ended in june of this year and repeated to join us for that last one as well. the session to to an online virtual capacity. Due to the ongoing pandemic.

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Andrew collins, cob:, to give you a quick flavor of the work they've been doing. they've done intensity of deep dives into the us table categories and zoning districts.

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Andrew collins, cob: developing some considerations related to 15 minute neighborhoods,, as well as structural changes to the table.

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Andrew collins, cob: also ideas, regarding definition, changes, potentially, and some thoughts on topics that may be outside the scope of this project.. They want to note those in the parking lot, area.

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Andrew collins, cob:, this is an attachment to the memo, as well. they've also reaffirmed the goals, objectives and action steps for the project.

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Andrew collins,, cob: and importantly,, they came up with three overarching goals for phase two., and so they are to support a string of pearls.

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Andrew collins, cob:, consisting of mixed use, nodes, longhorn doors and supporting. supporting walkable neighborhoods centers of varying scales.

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Andrew collins, cob:, and to encourage 15 minute neighborhoods for us table changes and all types of districts and to incorporate administrative instructional updates to the uc. And these three goals. From the framework for the online questionnaire that we developed as well..

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Andrew collins, cob: terms of community engagement., the 14 subcommittee meetings have been open and notice to the public., and each of those have had a public comment period, with the attendees being able to contribute to the discussion.

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Andrew collins, cob:, we have held a online through the information session on july 27.. We also recently had a brief update with the boulder chamber of this week as well want to mention.

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Andrew collins, cob:, our communication staff has done notifications through social media and emailing of newsletters and then with feedback from the subcommittee.

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Andrew collins, cob: that helped inform the be heard boulder online questionnaire,. So far, we've had over 300 visits to the web page and at responses and we'll get into.

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Andrew collins, cob: a summary of some of those high level responses later on in the presentation and the survey, excuse, me, the questionnaire.

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Andrew collins,, cob: questionnaire open on july 19 and right runs through the end of august.. So we encourage people who may see this presentation if they haven't already to go ahead and participate online at be heard boulder that org.

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Andrew collins, cob:, so the first overarching principle is to support a string of pearls and neighborhood centers. and again,. This consists of mixed use, nodes along connected core doors and as part of the projects considerations.

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Andrew collins, cob:, the subcommittee identified a print centers as being an opportunity to help them better function as mixed use centers to serve their respective surrounding neighborhoods, better capacity by providing the services and goods as well as potentially being areas for gathering spaces..

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Andrew collins, cob:, the idea of string of pearls was originally conceptualized as a series of neighborhoods along north broadway 1990s.

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Andrew collins, cob:, the subcommittee and the project has brought in that idea outward to include all of the neighborhood centers that are identified and the vulgar belly comp plan.

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Andrew collins, cob: so on the right hand, side of the screen you can see in the dark blue circles.. Those are the identified neighborhood centers.

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Andrew collins, cob: in boulder., so some examples of these would be some of our older shopping center areas such as your 55th and arapahoe, or table mesa,, or the meadows area.

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Andrew collins, cob: and these areas are typically zoned at business. I mean, districts., so business community or business transitional, or even some business main streets.

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Andrew collins, cob:, so some more examples of these areas also gun barrel. Your spine and lookout road will be a newer example.

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Andrew collins, cob: and when the concepts with this idea is that these neighborhood centers should be better functioning as human scaled walkable areas, with a more diverse mix of uses, and also having a gathering space came up in our discussions with the subcommittee.

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Andrew collins, cob:, so what we've heard so far on this topic with the online questionnaire about 75% of the respondents indicated they will be open to.

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Andrew collins, cob: use changes, encourage agree., we'll mix of uses in these neighborhood centers, as discussed in the questionnaire, and these included a variety of uses, such as restaurants, retail uses personal services.

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Andrew collins,, cob: of those that selected residential housing., it was abroad even mix between single family and to duplexes and townhouses.

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Andrew collins, cob: in terms of what elements people felt were most important to have. and these neighborhood center areas moving forward.. They thought that walkable and biking access was important.. I followed by human scaled building, design.

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Andrew collins, cob: second overarching goal for the project has been to encourage 15 minute neighborhoods, and this is supported by policies and the comp plan,, as well as both directives from.

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Andrew collins, cob: city council,, as well as planning board in last last year., and so this is the concept of providing limited commercial or mixed uses and predominantly.

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Andrew collins, cob: homogeneous neighborhoods,, whether that's a single family neighborhood or could be an industrial neighborhood.

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Andrew collins, cob:, how can we get a more greater variety of uses in these areas to foster greater,, greater accessibility to goods and services within a 15 minute, walk.

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Andrew collins, cob: over people where people may live or work., so the images at the bottom of the screen or some local examples.

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Andrew collins, cob: alpine modern cafe at ninth and college,, then we have some examples from north broadway and then some of the mercantile buildings along arapahoe avenue located along a street corners.. So the one of the main kind of.

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Andrew collins, cob: items that came up in our discussions with was that these 15 minute produces, should they be pursued.

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Andrew collins, cob: said they should be contextually appropriate to the neighborhood that they're in.. They should have limited impacts and so scale building design become important factors and location of these become important factors. Kind of moving forward.

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Andrew collins, cob:, the map on the right,, comes from the.

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Andrew collins, cob:, the city's low stress, walk and bike network, network plan and the green areas, just to pick their assessments of.

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Andrew collins, cob: areas of the city that have good walking access, 15 minute access to key destinations and uses the reds,, yellows and oranges have.

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Andrew collins, cob: less access to uses and destinations.. So it's just included here as a reference to help visualize, where the inclusion of additional uses may be helpful to encourage you in 15, minute neighborhoods and threats..

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Andrew collins, cob: some additional character, imagery that was included in the questionnaire.. I have discussions for the subcommittee., the idea of small scale, grocers and hardware stores particular repair even came up. The idea live workspaces being.

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Andrew collins, cob: more, more allowed in certain locations, as well as limited commercial or creative maker spaces and industrial zones, and then allowing potentially for more greater variety of residential uses and type allergies and where people would want to see. Them.

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Andrew collins, cob:, so regarding this topic, 15 minute neighborhoods,. What we heard so far is that 70% of the respondents said they would be open to having.

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Andrew collins, cob: will uses as described in the questionnaire and establishments in a 15 minute, walking distance. If limited in scale and the number there was broad support again for variety of uses. Restaurants and coffee shops, small scale, grocers, retail and personal services,, as well as additional housing.

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Andrew collins, cob: and the question and whether additional restrictions should be applied to these 15 minute uses. There was next sentiments about 40%, said yes,. There should be additional doing restrictions.

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Andrew collins, cob: about 30%, maybe and 27%, said no,. There should not be additional restrictions on these 15 minute. Neighborhood type uses.

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Andrew collins, cob: there was a most support for requiring additional bike parking and limiting regular parking and effort to encourage walking and biking access.

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Andrew collins, cob: also support for limiting the size of establishments to help them be more compatible with the neighborhoods and also the idea of limiting the location of these uses to multimodal like multi modal, core doors..

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Andrew collins, cob: on the question of encouraging more flexibility city wide for live, work, uses and artists, studios and galleries.

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Andrew collins,, cob: and small scale performance venues. 65% of the respondents said that they agreed.

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Andrew collins, cob: with that, that question, I think,, given some of the comments earlier tonight.. I think some of these things have to be balanced out with the impacts.

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Andrew collins, cob: on the music venues, your neighborhoods, as you move forward., but these are intended to give us a broad perspective on what people may be interested in.

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Andrew collins, cob: likewise,, a majority of respondents.

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Andrew collins, cob: felt that we should consider allowing additional uses in the light industrial areas again balanced with preserving the existing industrial uses. As well.

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Andrew collins, cob: also want to note that ongoing planning efforts, such as these folder sub community plan, will probably need to occur occur first before.

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Andrew collins, cob:, their recommendations could be implemented for more comprehensive changes and some of these industrial areas,. But this gives us a feel for what people are thinking and what they want to see and kind of going forward and use. Tables.

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Andrew collins, cob:, the third overall goal for the phase two has been to simply incorporate, updates and improvements to the table itself at know where we can can consolidates existing uses to a more.

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Andrew collins, cob:, manageable number and streamline the use categories. the table. Itself, the right hand, side of the screen. just show some of the.

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Andrew collins,, cob:, six or seven different office definitions that we have and that can be troublesome for both the development community and staff and the public alike.. So some of the ideas we discussed with this subcommittee as well or kind of want to carry through in our, in our efforts.

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Andrew collins, cob: about 60% of public agree that we should simplify the standards and streamlines number similar uses only 10%, the public's and yell,. We should not a large portion said maybe.

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Andrew collins,, cob: and similar number of respondents felt that we should consolidate the office use categories down to a lesser amount.

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Andrew collins, cob:, so next steps we're going to city council for a study session on tuesday, august 25. The survey is still the question, excuse. Me, is still open.

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Andrew collins, cob: online, and we want to continue to collect the public feedback and get your feedback and city council's feedback to help us up the more specific options and alternatives going forward between now and quarter for 2020. And once we have those more specific.

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Andrew collins,, cob: recommendations and options will take those back out to the community for more engagement, possibly targeted stakeholder or neighborhood outreach as may be appropriate,, and then we hope to have.

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Andrew collins, cob: open houses on a draft recommendation and public hearings going quarter for 2020, more nuanced and more complicated code changes could push into 2021.

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Andrew collins, cob: so that's,, we can take us to our questions for planning board and I can either put all five or five of them up on the screen. our go through them, one by one. however,. You guys would like to do it.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : well,, harmon zuckerman,, pb :. I think let's just go with the first question and then we'll discuss it.

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Andrew collins, cob: first andrew collins,, cob: yeah, again,, feel free to add more comments as well.

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Andrew collins, cob: should we allow greater diversity of uses neighborhood center areas to better serve community needs.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay, before we jump into this. is there anybody wants andrew to help unpack the question.

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Peter vitale pb:. I have an example of a unpacking question.

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Peter vitale pb: all right.. What would be an example of a.

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Peter vitale pb:- I don't mean it this way., but what will be the,? What's a controversial example of allowing greater diversity.

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Peter vitale pb: and I feel like we could quibble over the middle of these. Each of these is going to have a spectrum. and I'm interested in.

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Peter vitale pb: just getting into it. like what would be.

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Peter vitale pb:, the most controversial.

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Peter vitale pb: use that,, you know, greater diversity of uses, neighborhood centers,, you know, as far as farthest end of an extreme, not that that would ever be fully approved and push through.. What are we talking about.

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Sarah silver: can I speak to that.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : that could andrew,. Could you pull down your screen and we're just all going to have to remember that this is a question about allowing greater diversity of uses and neighborhood centers. yeah.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : yeah. better., better, actually pull.

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David ensign, pb: your screen to the left to do and make the thing really small., and then everybody gets being there's like a little handle on that bar.

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Andrew collins, cob:, I don't know if you can see that,. Let me try to.

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Sarah silver: go so I don't know that. I don't know that the framework has to be controversial, whether something's, controversial or not.. I think the idea,, or at least in my mind., the idea is: how can we refresh our 1970 style shopping areas into more.

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Sarah silver: vital vibrant.

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Sarah silver: denser but humans scaled a sort of community neighborhood centers that have housing and restaurants and public space and urban form and.

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Sarah silver: and in some ways become the community center of communities. the center of parts of our community.. So to do that, we had to take a look at what was currently allowed in those 1970s style malls and.

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Sarah silver: imagine allowing housing and allowing smaller plates for stores and.

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Sarah silver: proposing to get rid of.

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Sarah silver: automobile repair shops or like to try to think about what would what would make it possible for these old shopping malls to be reimagined.

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Sarah silver: more along the scale of,, let's say, the holiday neighborhood.

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Sarah silver: so that, that's,, I think, from my perspective, the best way to talk about the neighborhood centers, david. Does that captures your understanding of how we talked about it? Too.

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David ensign, pb: yeah, I am. and yeah, read, since when you're talking specifically peter about that first question right, so that I totally agree that that.

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David ensign, pb: and it was really interesting.. We had an awful lot of different public people who came,. I noticed lisa spalding attending right now and.

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David ensign, pb: also claudia who's attending.. I came to at least a couple of our meetings., and so there were a lot of people who came to our meetings and it was really interesting to hear.

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David ensign, pb: all the different opinions,, but with neighborhood centers there will seem to be reasonable amount of enthusiasm about about making the use tables more accommodating for more interesting outcomes,. But where you get into kind of areas where people may or may not completely agree is.

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David ensign, pb:, you know how, how big should it be? Or, you know, and I,. You know, a lot of times it's hard to envision, exactly what things will look like.. So you have to kind of.

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David ensign, pb:, you have to kind of play some envisioning exercises and then talk about,, you know,. We spent a lot of time talking about what these things might actually look. Like.

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David ensign,, pb: and it's,: it's an interesting exercise to try to take these really technical tables and then think about what the outcomes are going to be.

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Peter vitale pb:, so I can't imagine a scenario that the answer, this wouldn't be yes.

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Sarah silver:, I think that's right., sarah silver: um,, but to david's point the.

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Sarah silver:, I think the shift in in our thinking was instead of only thinking about these string of pearls or the infill at a very small scale was how can we reimagine the shopping areas so that they themselves become 15 minute neighborhoods, like they become the core of 15 minute neighborhoods.

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Sarah silver: and I will just say I was struck andrew by the results. you've gotten so far from the.

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Sarah silver: questionnaire that the majority of people.

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Sarah silver:, one of the things that many people agreed on was the need or desire for human scale. Of development.- I think that's really powerful.

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Sarah silver: so glad to see that.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : yes,, I'm going to come and I think it'd be great idea to allow more diversity in our neighborhood centers,. You know, these are. we're not talking about neighborhoods. we're talking about neighborhood centers, which are.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, mostly zone business, commercial they're,, you know,, they're, older shopping centers is andrew, described.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know,. If you look at our older shopping centers and you imagine the amount of floor area that's available in all those old shopping centers for additional uses and development, you know,. If we're concerned about, you know,, maintaining mountain views and not over developing our neighborhoods.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know,, look at the seas and c's and oceans of parking.. There are in these business commercial districts that were designed when you know all of our.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : planning was backwards.. You know,. They were trying to maximize parking. we're trying to minimize it.. They were trying to push the businesses to the back.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : we're trying to push businesses to the street. they were trying to segregate uses to commercial, only we're interested in mixed use and and getting away from the car. so, you know,. These to me are, you know.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. In a way, I think peter hit it on the head when it's like,, how can you imagine anybody not being interested in doing this.? These are the best areas for redevelopment in the city.

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Sarah silver: right., but then the van is about how venue get as david said, you get into the question of well,. Would it look like tv app or will it look like holiday. and that's,? Those were not the things we were tasks to answer,, but I do think that's when it becomes more.

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Sarah silver: control controversial is not the right word,, but there's more., there's more attention.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, yeah, no,, since it's late and and sarah, you know, bring up an ancillary point. I want to remind planning board,, it would be great.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. If people would really stick assiduously to the question at hand. and the question is just,, should we allow greater diversity.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : so,, you know,. While I appreciate the additional background around where the controversy shows up.. If we're going to get through this before.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : like,. Let's try to stick to the question., so does anybody have anything else around the first key question about whether we should allow greater diversity and neighborhood centers.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : john.

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John gerstle, pb: yeah, I I agree with.

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John gerstle, pb: peter that it's hard to imagine anyone saying no to it conceptually,, but I do think that it is important when we're talking about this to understand what.

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John gerstle, pb: what we're actually the range of of possibilities that we're actually addressing and.

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John gerstle, pb: and right now we don't understand that., I mean, whether it's simply color mixing commercial and residential.. That's one thing or or do we want to heavy industrial in there also.? So I think the range is the range of options that we're actually talking about should be defined at some point.

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John gerstle, pb:- and you know that requires its own, its own discussion and evaluation,. But we need to realize that that will come up, or should come up.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : any other thoughts.

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David ensign, pb: just do I'll just say: that. yeah.. It may mean when this turns into an ordinance, of course, each one of these concepts will appear in.

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David ensign, pb: in living color in the pains bars to the use tables.. So it's very hard in in that this level to get into that level of detail.. We actually went through every line in the us table for every, every single use module.. So we talked about every one of those things.

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David ensign, pb: and it's all,, it's all in there.. So I think when you go out to the public,, you have to kind of make it palatable and and and put it in a in a metabolites form. but then, yeah,. Once once this gets proposed as an ordinance, it'll leverage.

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David ensign, pb:, not only the bait, the general comments,, but also the very specific stuff that the subcommittee spent two years working on right.

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Andrew collins, cob: now, let's add in., I think one of the attachments in the packet. A pro very long attachment, does have a matrix of some of the detailed kind of line items about specific uses that we're talking about. and the online questionnaire highlights.

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Andrew collins, cob:, maybe about five or so five to 10 broad categories of uses as well. So.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, all right.. Can we jump to the next one.

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Andrew collins, cob: short harmon, zuckerman,, pb, :, entry. yep.

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Andrew collins, cob:, let me see if I can do this again.

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Andrew collins, cob: so, second question.

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Andrew collins, cob: do you agree, disagree that the city should allow limited instances of walkable compatible uses to foster 15, minute, neighborhoods. and typically,? How would you nice, neighborhoods and appropriate locations.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, all right.. You can take your screen down.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. So what this one's about? His neighborhood little neighborhood, infill projects.,.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. You could almost call this the alpine modern question right.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. We want more alpine moderns on corners, other than nights and college in this town in residential neighborhoods.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : I'll jump in and say that you know when, when we heard in the the comp plan map update matter of months ago from what was it 715 north street, that wanted to be a pilot project and was referring back to this neighborhood pilot project. That's in the comp plan.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : well,. I thought that was an interesting concept that wasn't really what that neighborhood pilot project concept was meant to do,, because.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. I was the impetus for that neighborhood pilot project as a planet board. Member.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, who suggested it and and the idea,, which I don't think I ever maybe fully fleshed out on the record, and I will right now is for the first time, is that.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. We would have a willing neighborhood.. It was interested in having alpine moderns and the like on crucial corners within the neighborhood.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, and you would take a look at a neighborhood and you would see which streets rose above the level of a neighborhood street.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, which were collectors and which word cereals and wherever non neighborhood streets, met,, whether it was collector, collector, collector, arterial or arterial arterial.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. If you had existing residential only zoning,, you could apply for a change for the any of the four corners of that intersection to some sort of a neighborhood, a neighborhood mixed use or commercial use.. So imagine you know a.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : c shaped two story: building which has a garden court inside the sea and has,. You know, six apartments in it three per floor.

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Harmon zuckerman,, pb, :, or maybe five and the one that's right on the corner, is a coffee, shop.. Imagine a little neighborhood grocery store. imagine a place where you can have a hardware store and you can get your keys made things that are really compatible uses with a neighbor of it and and you'd have a greater.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : you'd have a really limited number of neighborhoods serving uses where collector meets collector.

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Harmon zuckerman,, pb :, but of collector meets arterial. That list of allowed uses might get a little bit bigger and more intense, and if arterial meets arterial, that list might get even a little bit bigger and allow some more intense uses. So it would be.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, :, less discretionary and more ministerial. You could only apply if you were at one of these critical corners. and you could imagine a neighborhood gradually over time.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : developing these little four corner.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know, higher density, residential,, commercial nodes,, a place where folks who live.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : you know, at 19th and alpine could walk over to a coffee shop and, and you know, grab a coffee with a friend,. Somebody who lives at 32nd and ash and martin acres could walk over to 32nd and martin,, which are two collectors that meet and have a coffee.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know,, maybe have a little neighborhood restaurant with outside seating. That.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : find the pilot project.. So that's a long way of educating andrew who wasn't there. When I, when I talked about that over drinks with carl.

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Harmon zuckerman,, pb, : and, and it's a it's a way of letting the other planning board. Members know what I was thinking with, that pilot project, pilot neighborhood project idea and the comp plan, and it's a way of saying that I think we should definitely allow in limited circumstances.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : a walkable and compatible mix of uses in our single family, neighborhoods. definitely.

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Sarah silver: can I,. Can I just add that that is very like those descriptions., I'm just cognizant,, so I was in chicago, um,.

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Sarah silver: sometime in july, and I was walking around my brother's neighborhood and they have a because the way chicago's laid out,. They have this.

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Sarah silver: space square mile neighborhoods and at the subway at the metro stops. they have these little neighborhood nodes that you're describing.

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Sarah silver: and what's interesting, is, they're, very small,. The plates are very small,, maybe 1000 square feet for the stores.

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Sarah silver: and they are distinct from either the nearby three storey apartments or the row houses or single family homes that radiate around them.

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Sarah silver: and when I spoke to my brother,, who happens to be an architect about these little areas., he said one of the challenges is that it's very there's not actually enough.

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Sarah silver: business to keep the many of the businesses open.. So I think one of the things to keep in mind is how.

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Sarah silver: dense is the wrong word., but how, how,, how many? What type that there's only certain types of businesses that are likely to be able to stay open. and in this kind of area.

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Sarah silver: and that you really don't want to create so much space, so much retail space that there's a lot of turnover and the businesses can't survive, because I just don't have enough. Traffic.

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Sarah silver:, but I harmon.- I really liked what you've described.

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Harmon zuckerman,, pb, : and I'm know just to quickly respond,, not to disagree. I,. I think anybody who knows my politics knows that I'm not not a great fan of adam smith and the invisible hand,, but I do believe that the market.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : if,. If the system were to be implemented, where,, you know,, if you identified those cross streets and you were allowed to apply for a zoning change. and it was ministerial rather than discretionary to make that change.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : and it wasn't costly and didn't take a comp plan. Amendment, you know, that kind of stuff.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : though,. It would be easier to change the zoning, the commercial user or the apartment developer,. Whoever would still have to think.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know,, am I just building a commercial space that I'll never be able to rent.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know there are only six houses per acre in this neighborhood and everybody drives. So you know it's something that I think would happen over time. and hopefully we wouldn't have.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know,, we wouldn't do rezoning the city and then have a lot of vacancy.. So that's the concept of it, um,.

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David ensign,, pb:, yeah, and just,. I think that's a really interesting.

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David ensign, pb: perspective,, the subcommittee actually did not look at it in context of the infield, a pilot project verbiage,. I think that's an interesting angle on it.

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David ensign, pb:. I think that also we did touch on the possibility of it being near corners and this and that, but I'm thought that maybe there might be other criteria.

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David ensign, pb:, so the limited use criteria that would be evaluated may include other factors besides whether you're, along on it cereal and might actually also look at things like, gee,. Do we want to have saturation or, or, you know, or.

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David ensign, pb:, when you know david ensign, pb:, you shouldn't be too close to other business, similar businesses so that there isn't this idea that we would get a,. You know, an overwhelming number,, you know, certain area kind of things.. So I think that would., those were some some things we looked at as well.

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David ensign, pb:, but we did kind of also touch on,, you know, she may be on corners and that kind of thing.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, awesome., so, back, back to the question and opening it up for other planning board members comment: the question is: should we allow the limited circumstances of walkable and compatible mixed uses in our generally homogeneous neighborhoods. and so, you know,, maybe for andrew and carl's sake.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : nod your head or if you have something additional to say, now's your chance.

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Sarah silver: sorry., so my and I think the connecting it to your original idea. Harmon is probably valuable.

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Sarah silver:, because we've been thinking about this sort of as.

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Sarah silver:, we don't talk about it as zoning changes, because but you're you're very specifically saying it's not about zoning change. and I think that's important..

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : yeah,, I don't know the exact harmon zuckerman, pb : the exact methodology for doing it., but because zoning is generally considered to be a quasi judicial function. And you know you can't do it.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : in a serially., you have to do it through public process. so,, you know,. The legislation would have to be really, really specifically written,. You know, in a way that it just says, you know,.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, we're going to maybe you just have an overlay zoning district that says that every, you know, every.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : pair of every fourth street corners, where these two types of streets meet. Has this overlay.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : and then we're these two types of streets as this overlay.. So the zoning is already there.. It's already been legislatively approved, and now you just take advantage of the overlay., I'm just free wheeling and maybe taking too much of people's time, but.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : yeah,. I thought a lot about this, lisa.

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Lisa smith, pb:, going to add one more thing to that.. I think that.

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Lisa smith, pb:, there's validity, both to the developer in highest and best use of market coming in and also to developing intelligently and planning, guiding that.

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Lisa smith, pb:, and with that overlay idea., I wonder about putting in some kind of form based code. At those junctures you know so that something that could be adaptive, lee reuse. you know,, it could be potentially, you know, housing,. It could be potentially commercial on the ground. Floor.

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Lisa smith, pb:, I think, about older cities than ours., where you see a lot of beautifully built buildings that have different uses throughout their lives, and that seems appropriate to me. If we have these.

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Lisa smith, pb: slightly denser neighborhood, focused areas. You know that it might take different uses. and if the commercial,, you know, the restaurant or something can't make a go of it.

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Lisa smith, pb:, you know,, maybe it's an artist studio or small local community daycare,, you know something, and that really what matters more is what's allowed to be built there, as well as the uses. so kind of like what what that built form looks. Like.

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Lisa smith, pb:, maybe I'm adding more work to our planners already very busy plate in these coven constraint times,. But I just wonder about.

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Lisa smith, pb: the built form, as well as the use, and what how that could potentially come. In.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : right john.

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John gerstle, pb: yeah,, I john gerstle, pb:, I'm open to these these ideas, but frankly,. If we move too far along the route that you're proposing harmon., we as a planning order out of work. yeah.

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John gerstle, pb:, I don't object. I I'm not as opposed to discretionary.

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John gerstle, pb: basis for decisions as as.

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John gerstle, pb: I,. It appears that you are., maybe I missed understand. I I think that almost any mechanical procedure that would automatically designate where.

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John gerstle, pb: commercial space could be built on corners of our materials or whatever is.

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John gerstle, pb:, I think that's a good first crack., but I like keeping some some control more control over over that. Then then a mechanical approach would would indicate so that.

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John gerstle, pb: I'm open to that as an initial filter,, but I still think that there's a role for planning board discretionary decisions here as well.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : thanks. any, any other thoughts before we move on to the next question.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay,, so it sounds.. Did you get enough for that? Andrew car., all right.

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Peter vitale pb: yes,, so let it show that not to irritate harmon, but sarah voted with an invisible thumb.

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Andrew collins, cob: yes.. The third question is just related to whether we should streamline an update, the use table and standards men,, particularly simplifying the office use categories, and also the restaurant use categories in the table itself and two points of interest.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. So is this the one that, in the questions for the planning board in the packet is question for so you dropped. question three for the slide.

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Andrew collins, cob:, let me pull that up real quick.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :: where is it five streamline the us table to simplify simpler use? Categories. I did.

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Andrew collins, cob: five, five,.

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Sarah silver:, I'm not seeing any I'm not. Are you sharing your screen because I'm not seeing anything.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : no,. He isn't he did.

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Andrew collins, cob:, but if you would like me to,, I can certainly do that. Just.

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Sarah silver: be fine. sorry, guys.

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andrew collins, cob: pulled up real quick.

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Sarah silver: don't know if other people can david ensign, pb: do this., but when the,, when someone is screen sharing and you're in full screen mode, you can actually drag your gallery view to the left and right to make the.

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David ensign, pb: slide bigger or smaller., and so you can actually drag your gallery view to the end,, make the thing so small that the person doesn't have to bring it down.. So do you see that little bar between the two in the middle.

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David ensign, pb: slide it around and you can get. and then people don't have to constantly bring it up and down. does that work for people.

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Sarah silver:, yes tween.

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Sarah silver: huh.

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David ensign, pb:, it's like right in the middle. in between the people and the slide,. There should be like a little bar that you can drag back and forth. if you've got a similar zoom application to what I have, and that way you can make it so small that it almost doesn't appear.

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David ensign, pb:, but if that doesn't work., I guess we can keep bringing these things up and down.

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Sarah silver:, it doesn't work for me,, but that's okay..

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : well, you know, again,. This is a pretty easy question for us to all remember. If we want to drop the screen sharing., it's just,. Do you agree or disagree that we should streamline us table and standards.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : like consolidating office, use categories and restaurant use categories, and you know if you're familiar with the us table,. You know that their.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : categories like restaurant, less than 1500 square feet with outdoor seating, restaurant, more than 1500 square feet., that's on the hill, you know, and all this stuff. So.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know the suggestion would be. Maybe we don't get so prescriptive in the us table as to give an example.. I'm not sure I got the square footage. exactly right., but I know it's somewhere in there. So.

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Karl guiler cob: the reason that we're suggesting that all add that, because of all the definitions for office., we have staff almost have to micro. Every single office change out.

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Karl guiler cob: every time, there's like a business license. Change. we have to like go in the code. Look at what definition, it fits under,. You know, things like that., that's time,, you know, consuming.

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David ensign,, pb: and I'll just add that it would be a terrible shame if somebody on planning board didn't want to do. This. we've spent two years looking into this staff knows exactly who the kinds of things that can improve these tables.

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David ensign, pb:, you can look at the changes when they come out and they're going to be non controversial,, but they'll make the use tables so much easier to deal with.. So I would highly recommend a thumbs up on this one.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, so another another point is that if you know, if you have all these different use categories and possibly a you know, a change of use from one.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : kind of office to another kind of office triggers a use review right.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : things like that,, you know,, we probably want to avoid that.. It's just,, you know,. It makes returned into a commercial space into a giant land use entitlement project,, instead of just pretended to be a commercial space with another commercial tenant.

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Sarah silver: well, a lot of this was that there were definitions that didn't make any sense. Anymore.

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Sarah silver: mm hmm. and.

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Sarah silver: we had to keep looking up like, well,, what the heck does this mean it's like, well, like what's the difference between a technical office and an office with technical workers., I mean, like, literally,. It was sort of that kind of thing.

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Sarah silver:, but some of the restaurant differences, I think matter because of the size and the hours and are they a bar or restaurant. and I think those actually we were less.

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Sarah silver: folk, we were less inclined to propose changing those or consolidating those and more sort of like I'm trying to remember one that kept coming up.

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Sarah silver: oh, there was one for help,, like heavy machinery to go. what was that,. What kind of store that has machine heavy machinery or store that has outdoor displays.

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Sarah silver:, what does that,? What exactly does that mean because stores put racks of shoes out.? Is that an outdoor display so set kind of just clarifying some of that stuff.

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David ensign, pb:, and I think we also saw david ensign, pb:, that you could have a more general definition in the use table and then let the verbiage on limited use or conditional use.

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David ensign, pb: ferret out how big they can be in various circumstances and then reduce the size of the table by moving them to that..

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David ensign, pb: that l designation. and then also, I think,.

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David ensign, pb: kind of added. There are some things where they david ensign, pb:. They have their like extra rows that correspond with only one particular use module that could be simplified by again by having.

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David ensign, pb: limited use standards verbiage that will flush that out, rather than having to have separate table entries, which it's just very technical and the outcome is actually the same.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, so I don't know if the,, if everybody on planning board was here.. The last time we had an open public meeting about.

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Karl guiler cob:, the harmon zuckerman, pb, :, us table., and even if everyone was there might have been some who were so new that it might have been hard to comprehend.. Can you just talk about that l category, because I think that's one of the most interesting and innovative components of the us table. Project.

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Andrew collins, cob: yeah,, so we adopted a new change.

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Andrew collins, cob: last year for limited uses., so basically, it would allow a certain use by rights up to certain square footage, typically threshold.. So my fiance restaurant and sample restaurants up to 5000 square feet, are allowed by right.

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Andrew collins,, cob: and then comma about that. and now,, it could be, could require use review. It might say, or, I might be prohibited, says a way to kind of.

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Andrew collins, cob: tell the tell me what we want in terms of the certain square footage, or one one or two, certain criteria that could be allowed by right, simplify things above which it could trigger either different discretionary review process. If it.

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Andrew collins, cob: has more impact potentially for more square footage as an example.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. So is the idea that, you know,, you don't need as many categories of restaurants, for example,, because you can just say restaurant is an acceptable use. In, you know, the,, you know, whatever.,.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, the rh five district. we're going to allow restaurants and that otherwise, high density residential district in the news, table.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, but there's a little ball in the box and then you have to look and see what that means and the else says, you know,. If it's on the corner.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know, in the building's 50,000 square feet.. You can have it by right, but if it's not on the corner,, you know,, whatever you're, going to have to go through use. Review.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. If it's gotta, you gotta go through use review of it's got takeout. you know, whatever., so it gives the specific you know, limitations to that. Otherwise by right use.

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David ensign, pb:, it actually was very useful in the.

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David ensign, pb: opportunity zone project for defining.

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David ensign, pb: whether there could be ground floor residential along the street farm, for example, and the elves kind of define that kind of thing. as I recall,. So it would say, that, you know,.

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David ensign, pb: yes,, you can have residential on the ground for as long as it's not along,, you know,, it may just be friends kind of thing that has to be a commercial space. so,. You know, it just kind of lets. You design it out that way.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : good stuff., any other thoughts on.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : allowing the use table to be simplified and consolidate some use. Categories.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : you thumbs up from lisa one some up from john he's, a little less excited, but he's still likes it to from david.

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Sarah silver: from sarah.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : how many from sarah. three.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you borrowed your nieces.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : peters, got like four because she's borrowing, your son's thumb.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : okay,, so harmon zuckerman,, pb :. So we heard just to sum up,. We heard some concern around areas where the the multiplicity of us categories might be useful,, especially in restaurant., but in general,. The answer to the question is: yes: streamline us table.

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Andrew collins, cob:, let's move on it. great., so the fourth question: here, and I'll pull this up.

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Andrew collins, cob:, you can see it.

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andrew collins,, cob: deals. With., do you agree or disagree.? The city should allow more flexibility for creative uses,, such as peanuts, artists, studios and galleries, city wide.. This came up through our discussions,, both in phase one, phase, two with a subcommittee.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : so,.

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Sarah silver:, I think, what's helpful to know here, is that in many, many of the districts,, particularly those that are near jason to downtown, um,.

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Sarah silver: one of the things we suggested was we talked about expanding the uses that were allowed, including these small scale, performance, spaces and art, studios and stuff, with the idea that.

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Sarah silver:, you didn't need quite the same demarcation.

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Sarah silver: between downtown and residential,, you could have sort of a transitional.

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Sarah silver: david,, have you say, would you say that's a fair description of sort of what we talked about with like em us and.

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David ensign, pb:, sure. um,. I think that I think that we were kind of also envisioning, enabling you know more opportunities. For, you know, as,, as we have more live work needs happy,. You know, allowing more of those kinds of things. right.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : any other thoughts.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : john.

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John gerstle, pb: yeah,, I'm I'm. oh,. I think that's a good productive thing to do. I,. I think it's also important to think about what,. What sort of limits might be necessary in terms of,, you know, performance spaces being too noisy to keep the neighbors happy and so on. no, I mean,. These are obvious. Factors.

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John gerstle, pb: that should be thought about that.. I think in general that increasing the range of options is good.

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David ensign, pb: yeah,. I think that's a good point on when you dig in our notes on these kind of things.. I'm sure you'll find that we want our limited use or whatever comes out of this up to to.

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David ensign, pb: have ways that it can evaluate that you can evaluate, for example, of performance,. Then you would would need to have,, like you say, gianna.,.

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David ensign, pb:, it would have to be compatible from a noise perspective or with whatever it's going to be proposed for so it wouldn't just be something you could just plop down anywhere right.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : and,, you know, one of the things about the us table. Is, you know, their, their boxes in the us table right it doesn't mean just because you have a new use that it's allowed.. It's only allowed. If there's an a in the box right. If there's a see in the box., it's conditional use.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, so for things like, should we allow additional uses like these performance spaces and live work, units and creative spaces in more zoning districts, you know,.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. I think, to the extent that you know we've already just heard tonight and public comment about a problem with with river and what's the old, john's restaurant and too much music.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know,, maybe you let you let there be more.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : boxes,, but they're full of seeds, not a's and,, you know,. These are conditional uses that need to be reviewed.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : any other thoughts.

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David ensign, pb: that I think it's also,, you kind of triggered my thought that would come up a lot of this is sort of interesting, because so much of the economic pressures.

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David ensign, pb: determine outcomes,, regardless of what's allowed in the use. Tables. a lot of times people, you know, people, think, oh, well,. If this is allowed., it's just going to appear. Everywhere. well,, you know,, it kind of it depends on the economy.

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David ensign, pb:. We may enable all kinds of wonderful things to happen over at diagonal plaza,, but they may not happen for years unless the right economic.

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David ensign, pb: things line up to have somebody to come in and do the proposal and work with the city and to get all that in play., so,, so yes,. This kind of opens up the possibility for some of these things., but we honestly can't.

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David ensign, pb: we,, we can't,- we can't solve the economics of this in the us stable.. So it's just kind of an interesting thing to keep.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, so david, do you want to sum up the planning boards response to this question.

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David ensign, pb:. I think that the planning boards pretty open to to this as long as when you get down into the nuts and bolts of it, that you have appropriate.

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David ensign, pb: caveats to make sure that something like a performance venue, will, you know, will be appropriate,, but I think that it sounds like people are interested in live, work and artists. Studios.

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David ensign, pb:, additional home occupation, kinds of things, right.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, that's all right.

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Sarah silver: yeah, and, I think we, I can't quite remember., but I think we didn't suggest expanding those uses in a single families zones.. It was more in the mixed use and bc. One bc to neighborhood centers, andrew. is that correct,.

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Andrew collins,, cob: yes,, more of those kind of areas already have a mix of uses already, not not single family, but more of the portfolio areas, areas where it may be.

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Andrew collins, cob: prohibited for some reasons. We thought some more flexibility. he's reviewed, conditional use, review, limited., right., yeah.

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Sarah silver:, so I think it's a nice balance because it's nice to.

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Sarah silver:, it's not even about density, is about a more.

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Sarah silver: creative mix of uses,, but also still having those areas that are that are really just single family zones. At this point.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay,. Do you get enough out of that carlin andrew.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : yes. next question. great.

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Andrew collins, cob:, so the andrew collins, cob: last question. question number five just gets to the idea of aligning additional uses and light industrial areas.. This is a topic. That's come up.

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Andrew collins, cob: think over the past couple of years, but allowing more residential or retail or restaurants that will complement. some of these zones and may have.

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Andrew collins, cob: less of these in order to foster more walkable mixed use, neighborhoods,, but also at subcommittees. I spoke a lot about protecting the existing industrial uses, aaron sale, trying to strike a balance between I'm more uses or not.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, so I'm going to jump in and I'm going to say that the last time I think it was over a year, ago.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. It was in july,, late july planning board meeting 19 when we,. When we.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : talked about this us table project in public for the last time. The previous time, maybe the first time in public.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, this came up and, and I I made a suggestion and people sort of nodded and said,- that's a good suggestion., but it's really outside of our scope and with this question in mind, that appears that it's now back in your scope.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, and so what I, what I suggested was at the time, and I'll. Do it again that in the comp plan. we worked hard on policy 2.21, which is about infill, enlightened, estriol, areas.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : and,, you know, many members of planning board john gersten me, brian,, you know, we've been championing these industrial areas.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : imploring you know everyone not to allow them to be.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, zoned residential,, you know,. This is a city, that's got an inexorable demand for residential and we need places where boulder can still be functional.. We need a place where you still get a tire changed in this town.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. It can't just be million dollar condos from sea to shining sea.. So the point a to point to one was to start establishing some steps for how infill in in light industrial areas works, and it.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : gives them some ideas. Around,. You know the the first of all, first and foremost, we're not replacing any industrial zone property with residential property at all.. You can add it.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. If you've got a you know one story: factory.. You can put a second story on top and put some apartments up there,, but you're not going to displace any existing.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : zone space, that's zone for industrial, and then there were some ideas. Around, you know,. A lot of our industrial areas are renowned ring by.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, multiuse paths, creaks.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : places that make it easy to bike to and from work. it'd, be great places.. If you're going to focus, if you're going to allow any residential at all., you know, try to keep it around those borders in the attractive places.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. You know that aren't close to that aren't in the middle and surrounded by large, you know, banging factories and stuff. and,. You know, talking about having.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : talking about having a requirement that any newly created residential space or commercial space in an industrial zone has to have covenants and their deeds, saying that, you know, they, they're.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : an area, that's industrial, and they they can't sue for nuisance based on.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, folders or,, you know, noise or weird hours of operation. You know you, you came to the nuisance.. You can't complain about it.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know, things like that deed, restrictions., so my,, my suggestion was back in july of 19 that in at the time your last limited use category was l 17. So I suggested an.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, which would be a new substance, abuse limitation to encourage live, work and other residential infill in our already built industrial areas.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : and to kind of encode, all those things that I talked about that are embodied in the comprehensive plan and give guidance to a developer who wants to put, you know, live workspace,, you know, residential, all those things that are on your list. In a light, industrial area.

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Sarah silver:, so can I respond to that? I'm sort of responding to it.

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Sarah silver: david and I,, when we were talking about this.

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Sarah silver:, we shared the your concern and john's concern about just about.

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Sarah silver:, how residential development industrial areas was going to increase the value of the land and therefore encourage more residential development and further.

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Sarah silver: decrease the amount of industrial land we have. and one of the things that we talked about, and I don't know that we agreed on it.. But one of the things we talked about was.

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Sarah silver:, that the code has this rule about continuity and that a residential area, residential development in an industrial area.

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Sarah silver: needs to be contiguous to existing residential development.. So once you begin to develop residential areas, you now can continue to develop residential areas.

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Sarah silver: right,, because then you have the continuity, on at least one side and one of the things I suggested, and I don't think we agreed on this- was maybe the idea is to create.

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Sarah silver: I'll use the term an overlay zone where there's a very specific area within an industrial zone that can be residential,, but the continuity.

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Sarah silver: requirement does not apply. once,. Once you have filled in that space., you don't get to add more residential, just because there's a existing residential area.. So that's one way to try to protect the.

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Sarah silver: the prevent the market forces from taking over., but I don't know that we agreed on that., but it was an idea that was put out there.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : great john., are you thinking of saying something.

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John gerstle, pb: yeah,, I just wanted to say I did a good job of describing a situation.

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John gerstle, pb: and is becoming more,. You know, as,, as the planning board leads us on to the east folder setup. Community planning effort, it is,, which is one of the.

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John gerstle, pb: areas where this is a really important issue,. It is becoming more and more clear to me that it is essential to to move in this direction fairly quickly.. If we want to have any industry,, you know, light industrial land left to deal with.

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David ensign, pb:, and I think that um yeah I don't. yeah, we did have disagreements, sarah.. I agree.. I remember um I don't disagree with what you're saying.. I think that one idea that I had or that we may have all had was to use the use.

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David ensign, pb: language to david ensign, pb: specify that what percentage of of the property can be residential and.

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David ensign, pb:, so that it limits it to so that you know that it isn't going to be completely residential,. I think the country. good. anything comes with the.

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David ensign, pb:, with the threat that, if you have this this border of the ice that is bordering a residential neighborhood, that it opens the door for a completely residential thing to replace.

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David ensign, pb: the industrial, and I think that I agree that that's a that's an imbalance that can be looked. At.

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David ensign, pb:, and that if we, if we said,, I don't,, I don't know if it's going to be as strict is it can't replace any industrial. Maybe I'd like carmen said that can be one of the things that you don't replace any industrial with residential, but certainly percentages are yours.

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David ensign, pb:, the use it's residential, maybe 25 or 50% or whatever could be considered.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : anyone else.

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Sarah silver: will have will have opportunities to delve into this more deeply over the next period of time,, but I do think we're all.. It sounds like we all under appreciate the concern about protecting our industrial areas.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : and that said, I think.

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harmon zuckerman, pb :. The staff did a great job, asking the question.

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Harmon zuckerman,, pb, : and so I'll read the question from the staff report,. To what degree should additional uses,, such as residential retail restaurants, be allowed in light industrial areas.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : in order to foster mixed use, walkable neighborhoods, while protecting and minimizing disruption to existing industrial uses.- and I think our answer is a board- is.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : to what degree to a limited degree, because if you don't limit it, the natural tendency is, you know, landlords will make more money. Developers will make more money just producing an unlimited supply of indices, of residential replacement property for the industrial.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, which will really overtax our roads and our systems, probably,. You know,, because you look at the number of people who live in east boulder.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, it's 500 in the sub community area in the sub community planning areas 500 and they're, like 18,000 people in the north boulder, so community plan.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, like that., I mean it., people don't live in industrial areas. so, you know,. It changes the whole calculus,. How we plan for the city.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, if you don't limit the amount of additional uses that can fit into the light industrial areas. and so a underneath three is if social, additional use, standard criteria and arizona restrictions apply to protect them. minimize disruption to existing industrial uses. The answer is yes.

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Sarah silver: that's right, yeah. and to your point, harmon and east boulder, something like 27,000 people in commute for jobs in that area.. I can't remember the exact number,, but it's a big number.

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Sarah silver: will close., I think it was 2019 20,000.. My apologies.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, it was a lot.. It was a lot.

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David ensign, pb:, but I think I'm just one quick addition. I just want to make- is that we are living in a, in a very,, very quickly, changing world. and we have pretty static. Zoning in the city. That's been around for quite some time.

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David ensign, pb:. What I'm inspired by is looking at ways that we can put in place things that don't necessarily change things dramatically right this moment, but open the door to letting us be more flexible as we adjust to changing patterns.

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David ensign,, pb: covert, might change commercial demand radically plan. Boulders response to this actually is very useful to read and it talks about that in in.

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David ensign, pb:, you know, the changing pressures, and I think part of part of this is just to get ready to not be so static and to allow for us to to correct course gently when when needed.. So that's why I really like when, when we,, when we talk about. yeah,, we don't want to do anything drastic, but.

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David ensign, pb: let's,, let's open the door to start moving in a particular direction.. Does that help with.

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David ensign, pb: us answering that question.

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Andrew collins, cob: yeah., thanks. okay.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay.. Anybody else want to talk to the fifth question or toss it back to andrew and carl.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : go for it, guys.

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Andrew collins, cob:, that's really the questions that we had for you tonight, kind of summarize and condense down any other feedback. you guys have and it will walk them it now or no to other channels. Also so.

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Lisa smith, pb:. I just wanted to say thank you again to our planner ford folks, who are on there and to staff and all the work that went into that.. I know it's, I'm intensive and nit picky and also, hopefully save us a lot of trouble later.. So thank you.

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Andrew collins, cob: for calling as well. thanks. karl guiler cob: thank you.

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Charles ferro, cob: carl,, do you want to launch us into community benefit.

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karl guiler cob: sure.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, but before we do that,.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, the harmon zuckerman, pb :. This is a new agenda. Item.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : and we're not supposed to start new agenda items after 10 o'clock., it's 1035. Without the vote of the board. so,. Can I get a vote. I'm going to call a roll call vote as to whether we want to move on to six be under matters.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, :, so I'll start with david, the vice chair.

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David ensign, pb:, I'm going to move on. lisa smith,, pb:, lisa. yep., let's go.

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Lupita d, montoya, pb: yes.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, and, although yes, so we don't have to go through the rest of you, guys, that's for.

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Karl guiler cob:, trying to save you all see the presentation.

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Sarah silver: yeah. karl guiler cob: whoops. alright,, so the community benefit project commenced in 20 team. After policies were put into the conference of plan in 2017 related to community benefit.

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Karl guiler cob: and building height., so this followed an ordinance that was passed by council on that created. The land use map that designates where height modifications can be requested.

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Karl guiler cob:, so that map meant as an interim measure until the community benefit project, was completed. currently,. The sunset date of that map is may 31 of 2021.. So our goal has been to complete this project by that andy.

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Karl guiler cob:, so this is the agenda for tire part of this presentation.. What will be covered., so this project has been done in two phases. we're currently in the community engagement phase of phase two.

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Karl guiler cob: and we've developed some potential options to discuss tonight. so,. This meeting is basically an opportunity to convey the feedback we've heard.

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Karl guiler cob: on this project provide an update on the process, progress of the project and receive feedback before moving forward to city council and moving forward with with ordinance preparation.

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Karl guiler cob:, so these topics relate to the questions which are: does the planning board agree with the recommendations and table one through three.

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Karl guiler cob: in the memo related to adding the three community benefit uses so below market rate. Rent commercial.

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Karl guiler cob:, arts and cultural uses, human and social service uses as community benefit uses.. So these are in addition to the permanent, affordable housing option that was added as phase one.

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Karl guiler cob:, so the next question relates to minimum duration,. Should the community benefit uses be required with an agreement for a set of time, or should they be in perpetuity.

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Karl guiler cob:, so I'll talk about that a little bit later.. Should there be penalty fees if a community benefit use words to cease operation and not be replaced by another equivalent benefit us.

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Karl guiler cob: and then the last question relates to does planning board agree with the staff recommendation and table five related to updates to the site review criteria.

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Karl guiler cob:, so just starting with the community benefit project overview.. I think most of you are familiar with this. Before 2015. There were.

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Karl guiler cob: height modifications could be city wide in the city. and you could ask for it with site review.. You were subject to the same criteria as any other site review. Application.

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Karl guiler cob: again to make make it clear for everyone.. This is not allowing any buildings over 55 feet,, which is in the charter,. So we're talking about max of four or five stories.

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Karl guiler cob:, this particular project is not going to change the process where a height modification would come before planning board and would require a public hearing.

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Karl guiler cob:, so basically, what this is showing is that there's an expectation. now, based on the policy. That's in the plan and in the phase one, that's implemented.

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Karl guiler cob: that if a developer were to propose any floor area above the height limit and a fourth or fifth. sorry, there'd, be some expectation for some associated community benefit uses being in that building, carl, yes.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. If you don't mind,, could you click that little icon on the left side of the bar one over from the side and says from current slide and then just make, make it bigger for us.

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Charles ferro, cob: your notes, view. there we go. thanks.

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Karl guiler cob:, like it was great. okay.

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Karl guiler cob:, so I'm just going to talk real quick about what was done in phase one., so phase one was adopted in october of.

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Karl guiler cob:, the building. you can see here, is shown at five stories, any of the floor area. That's that's. Orange basically is considered bonus for area., so that's either floor area. That's in a fourth or fifth story or floor area. That's over a floor area ratio, maximum.

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Karl guiler cob:, so for that area. the bonus for there's an additional requirement for the community benefit above the by right. So I won't go into all the details. Up.. I certainly can answer questions on that.

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Karl guiler cob: um,, there was also updates to the appendix j map that shows where height modifications can be requested. City council had added the rh three zones,, as well as the alpine balsam site.

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Karl guiler cob:, so since that time we've been moving forward with the other community benefit options.

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Karl guiler cob:, we checked in with city council in april of this year,. They wanted us to narrow down the list to these three community benefits so below market rate, rent commercial.

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Karl guiler cob: arts and cultural uses and human social services., so we've been working on how to define these in the code.. So that's really clear that we're getting.

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Karl guiler cob: a community benefit with each of these. The nexus between these three particular uses is that they're all impacted by the higher rents in boulder and how those high rents are.

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Karl guiler cob: are driving uses out of the city., so we'd be looking at something similar to the permanent, affordable housing. Where there'd be some sort of agreement.

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Karl guiler cob: that would lower the percentage of the of the market rate rent to be suitable for these uses.. So we've been working with an economic consultant,, the same one that we worked with on phase one.

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Karl guiler cob: they've recommended that in light of covert and the changes in economic conditions and in boulder that we look at the pre.

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Karl guiler cob: assumptions when we move forward. and so we're doing basically an apples to apples, comparison. and then also, they'll be looking at. How do you.

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Karl guiler cob: propose an amount or something in the building that would be equivalent to the permanent, affordable housing option and phase one, and then we would reassess after the economic downturn and maybe look at readjusting the numbers in the future.

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Karl guiler cob:, so another component of the project is updating the site review criteria,. The goals of that are basically to create more consistency with comp plan policies, similar to the.

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Karl guiler cob: us tables project to trying to achieve higher quality design. Outcomes, improve the clarity of the criteria,, try to simplify them and make them more predictable.

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Karl guiler cob:, another major component is related to view protection,, which, if you've read some of the community engagement, comments., there's a lot of comments related to protecting views and how does that get addressed.? So I'll talk about that.

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Karl guiler cob:, so these are just some suggestions up on the screen of what staff is identified.

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Karl guiler cob: as ways to fix the site review, criteria. so,, emphasizing things more specifically in the criteria that related to comp plan policies,. Rather than just having a statement that says it's.

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Karl guiler cob:, consistent with all of the comp plan policies on balance, reorganizing the criteria and a more top down.

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Karl guiler cob: approach, where you'd start with the more policy level things and work your way down to the details of the building design, removing redundancy., there's a lot of criteria that say the same things like tree protection., a lot of that could be reduced.

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Karl guiler cob: removing some unnecessarily complicated criteria or criteria that aren't often used and trying to insert some more prescriptive criteria that are kind of like the form based code into the into the site. Review criteria, create more levels of predictability.

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Karl guiler cob:, so we've been going out to the public with some questions. we're looking at additional design requirements that.

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Karl guiler cob: might apply to taller buildings, again, learning from the form based code, you know,. Do we want to put in, you know, limits on the width of buildings.? Do we want to have other? You know, restrictions on upper floors.

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Karl guiler cob: we're looking at whether there should be specific minimum building material requirements like we have in the form based code.

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Karl guiler cob:, if you remember what the form based code. there's,, there are limitations on the height of buildings on the 30 pearl sites, so that the views of the flat irons can be maintained..

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Karl guiler cob: from the public park in that area., so we'd be looking at potentially doing this in other areas of the city through the site, review, criteria. and again,. We've been hearing a lot about that from some community conversations.

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Karl guiler cob:, so I just want to touch upon community engagement with this project. we've been talking to the public about this since the beginning and.

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Karl guiler cob:, we started with a number of focus group meetings with members of the public and design professionals,. We held a number of open space of open house events that we called kota pool. Loses.

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Karl guiler cob:, we had a number of stakeholder meetings and we did a bigger, bolder questionnaire at that time.. So in 2020 things look a little bit different.

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Karl guiler cob: because of coven we've had to move everything online.. We did a channel eight segment talking about the code changes we send out notifications through the planning newsletter and next door.

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Karl guiler cob:, we held a community information event on july, july 27 on both the us standards project and this project.

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Karl guiler cob: we've convened a site review focus group which is composed of design professionals that have worked with the criteria and they've. Given us, some input.

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Karl guiler cob: we've convened a neighborhood representative focus group. That's commented on the site, review process and community benefit and they're composed of a number of neighborhood folks from around the city.

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Karl guiler cob: and then we've also held stakeholder meetings with a number of groups to get their input.

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Karl guiler cob:, so we've heard a range, a range of comments on this. we've heard a lot of support for the community benefit options,, but we've also heard.

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Karl guiler cob: a lot of comments and concerns about allowing any additional buildings over the height limit.. We've also heard some recent words of caution about putting new restrictions in the land use code based on the economic downturn.. So a lot of those summary comments are found within the packet.

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Karl guiler cob:, we also included the results of the bigger,, bolder questionnaire in your packet.

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Karl guiler cob: we've actually seen a lot of participation, even since the the copy was added to the packet.. So some of the numbers have changed a little bit., so I wanted to go over that., so we've.

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Karl guiler cob: had over 500 visits on this particular project. and we've had over 175 responses. So.

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Karl guiler cob:, originally we were seeing basically like a 5050 split on a lot of these, about supporting the having community benefit options to allow height modifications versus not allowing it.

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Karl guiler cob:, what we've seen is: it's shifted a little bit more towards opposing any additional buildings over three stories.

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Karl guiler cob:, so about the what what it's showing us now is over 60% are disagreeing with a community benefits. Program.

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Karl guiler cob:, we then asked the question about the appendix j map,, whether it should be repealed or modified or kept as it is, and over 70% of the respondents actually opposed loosening the map. That's in the code right now and prefer to keep it as is, sir.

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Karl guiler cob:, we also asked about additional requirements like design requirements for buildings over the height limit.. So you see received a lot of responses supporting that. We also found that nearly, nearly 60% were in favor of doing the site review criteria to make them more predictable.

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Karl guiler cob:, so I won't go into too much detail with these., but there are some tables that are in your packet that talk about all the different options related to each of the community. Benefits.

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Karl guiler cob:, they're,, they're, quite similar., so just really quick. and I won't go over this with with all of the different options,. But we're looking to at.

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Karl guiler cob:, using the definitions that are in the packet now and trying to refine those more.

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Karl guiler cob: we'd be working with our economic consultant to set a minimum amount of what the community benefit use would have to be.

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Karl guiler cob:, we would have an agreement, similar to permanently affordable housing,. There would have to be a minimum duration. we're,, we're recommending that it'd be in perpetuity., so that's equivalent to the permanent, affordable, housing.

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Karl guiler cob: there were looking looking to get some feedback on penalty fees.

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Karl guiler cob: and then one row. we also looked at for for the below market rate commercial, whether the the frontage or size of the use or the nature of the you should be restricted..

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Karl guiler cob:, we are recommending that the size be restricted.. So it's more conducive to smaller,. You know, local business like more conducive to local businesses.

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Karl guiler cob:, but we are hesitant to add too many additional restrictions on given the realities that we're in right, now. and there's also some legal challenges related to restricting national franchises.. So we're not recommending that as part of this project.

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Karl guiler cob:, so similar arts and cultural uses same approach, we're looking at having the arts commission review projects and provide recommendations.

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Karl guiler cob: to the planning board about,, you know,, whether or not they agree that the use that's proposed,, which would meet the definition that we put in the code.

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Karl guiler cob: and we've talked to the commission about that.. There are some folks in the art community that are not in support of the art commission being that arbiter, and you probably might have seen some of those comments already.

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Karl guiler cob: with human and karl guiler cob: in social services, similar recommendation. We are recommending that human services provide a recommendation.. They were hesitant to do. So.

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Karl guiler cob:, they felt that if they were to make a recommendation,, it might appear as favoritism.

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Karl guiler cob:, so what we decided to do is that it made more sense., maybe to just be very specific in the in defining the use and using some of the parameters that they already used. To make sure that I use meets a minimum standard for community benefit..

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Karl guiler cob:, we also are recommending against restricting just to nonprofits because they felt that some of these uses should be for profit.

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Karl guiler cob:, like childcare, facilities, things of that nature, and that we might need to be specific in our definition of what that line is of how many have to be nonprofit versus not..

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David ensign, pb: early each one of those had a in lieu option that was green.. Does that mean? Is that across all of the types of benefit that you just.

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Karl guiler cob: were recommending the in lieu, but I think the thing we have to think about is,. It would still have to be like monetary equivalent to whatever an in lieu fee for permanent, affordable is.

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Karl guiler cob:, the question that comes up is: if we're going to do in lieu we'd have to look at whether that money and lou would just go to that affordable housing fund or whether we would have to create some sort of fund specific to human or social services. Or,, you know, our excuses or retail.

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Sarah silver:, the during the first phase, there was the discussion about senior housing and needing to define more clearly what was meant by affordable senior housing.. So what is how does this human services.

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Sarah silver: idea connect with that.. I just I can't remember if affordable senior housing ultimately was defined in the first phase, or are we actually returning to that question in this second phase.

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Karl guiler cob: we're returning to that question.. That's a good question, and thank you for bringing that up.

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Karl guiler cob:, you can see in in the memo. when we're looking to define, we were talking about nursing care type facilities and we.

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Karl guiler cob: propose that in phase one and ended up taking it out because there were concerns about profit,, you know, uses going in.

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Karl guiler cob:, so we would have to define that. more specifically, and we've been working with our human services staff and there's been recommendations.. We've also been working with the human service alliance, and I think the definition we have.

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Karl guiler cob: that we've developed at this point is that it would be based on a certain number or percentage of beds that are funded by medicare.

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Or medicaid karl guiler, cob: medicaid., so that's something that we're going to have to refine a little bit more.. When, were you know, preparing any kind of code, language.

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Sarah silver: okay, thank you.. I appreciate that clarification. karl guiler cob: yeah. yeah. thanks., thanks for bringing it out.

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karl guiler, cob:, so lastly,. Our recommendation for the site review criteria is to do a broad gamut of changes like you.. You can see on the screen, here.

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Karl guiler cob: a lot of the things that staff has raised as potential improvements to the site review criteria resonated with our site review focus. Group.

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Karl guiler cob:, I think there was a lot of alignment, but some disagreement about how prescriptive the criteria should be.

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Karl guiler cob:, I think, through our discussions.. I think there was some agreement that there should be a balance, you know,. Certain criteria would make.

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Karl guiler cob: sense of being more prescriptive and other criteria,, maybe not so much.. We started talking about integrating some of like the form based code type regulations as a baseline.

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Karl guiler cob: and I think through the conversations I sensed some hesitation by some members of the group.. But as we talked about it, more, that there was some.

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Karl guiler cob: coalescing around the idea of just having some baseline things that seem to work in the form based code like minimum.

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Karl guiler cob:, you know percentage of masonry or where material changes can occur, things that just seemed like good common sense design elements could be pulled out of the form, is code and brought into the site review criteria.. So that's what we're recommending moving for.

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Karl guiler cob: real quick,, just next steps we're going to continue to collect feedback from the public and from the board and council.-.

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Karl guiler cob:, we want to have some additional stakeholder and focus. focus group meetings, as we refine things more.

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Karl guiler cob: and then ultimately, we would start creating some code changes again, like I said at the beginning of the presentation, we're looking to try to get ordinances ready by quarter for this year.

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Karl guiler cob: too, and hope to have it completed by the first quarter of next year,, based on that sunset sunset date. So lopsided just brings us back to the questions,. I'm happy to answer any other questions before we jump into these.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, I sarah silver:. This is sarah. I have, I have a question that has to do with penalty fees, um,.

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Sarah silver: so,, the city, is not necessarily known for its vast capacity to enforce things and I'm curious what,. How would how would a penalty fee., how would a penalty be identified.

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Sarah silver: first,, because you can't you can't charge a fee if you can't identify the penalty,, and I realized that maybe more.

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Sarah silver: tangible, then you're, then the where you are in the thinking about this,, but what would it take to actually be able to enforce whatever community benefit? The city ends up approving.

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Karl guiler cob: you know, we're, we're looking at a number of different things.. I think one thing that we're looking at is doing requiring some sort of reporting.

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Karl guiler cob: so a requirement through the agreement that would apply to the use that they have to inform us of any change of use..

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Karl guiler cob: and if they say that, you know, a use has stopped operation,. They would have a certain.

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Karl guiler cob: period of time, where they would have to do us, like potentially a site review amendment, to redo that agreement to bring in another use or propose some sort of equivalent use.

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Karl guiler cob:, and if they don't have that in place, after, you know, say, a certain period of time,. It could be two years,. There might be then penalty fees that would then apply. so we're having our, our economist, also advising us on what what that might look. Like.

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Sarah silver:, but if but if not,, not a, but if, if cash in lieu is an option on all of the all, the potential benefits a.

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Sarah silver:, don't you know how do I ask this question because caching may be the way to go,, but.

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Sarah silver:, if you have cash in lieu as an option for everything, aren't, isn't there's a likelihood that that.

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Sarah silver:, the sarah silver: developer, who actually builds the building, will utilize that option. and then we actually won't get.

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Sarah silver: the kind of a mix of,, let's say,, affordable commercial space in multiple different buildings., I'm just,. I just.

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Sarah silver: I'm, I'm curious about how you all feel about the cash in lieu option and its implications.

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Karl guiler cob:, I mean, we had raised the question with council about whether, in lieu fees should be included.. They felt that it should.

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Karl guiler cob:, so I feel like our approach to this has been that, there, there,. There should be an option to have in lieu for these., but I think what we need to hear back from is whether there should be.

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Karl guiler cob: in lieu fees that just automatically default to permanently affordable housing or whether it should be.

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Karl guiler cob: specific to these types of uses and helping these particular types of uses.

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Sarah silver: okay, that that helps to frame the question.. I appreciate that.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay,, so harmon zuckerman,, pb :. Should we go into these these questions that the ones that are on the screen.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay,. So let's look at number one.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. Do we agree that with staff recommendations and tables 123 related to adding below market rate, rent commercial arts and cultural uses in humans, social service uses john.

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John gerstle, pb: I,, I have to say that I'm skeptical about the propriety of the below market commercial space.. I think that the the artistic and social services.

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John gerstle, pb: for forms of john gerstle, pb: community benefit are very worthwhile and I I support those strongly, but I it's not clear to me how.

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John gerstle, pb:, the city, avoids getting into a situation of trying to pick winners and losers per commercial space, and it's not even clear to me how essential it is given the the present situation, with respect to availability of commercial space to the pandemic and so on.

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John gerstle, pb: so I, I support the,, the social and artistic.

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John gerstle, pb: community benefit proposals,, but I'm I do not support the affordable commercial space. Options.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, so I'm going to harmon zuckerman, pb :, chime in. john harmon zuckerman, pb :. Along with that,. I had the same sort of concern that when you're trying to figure out whether a person be deemed qualifying for affordable residential space.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know, people make a certain amount of money and they declare it on their taxes.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know,, and it's not a difficult thing to know what their income is and how many kids. they've got, how many people are going to live in the space and what percentage of am I their income represents for where they're living and.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : how many people they're supporting, but businesses don't work like that, you, know, businesses,, you know,, might have a lot of revenue and very small amount of profit.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know,. They might have a lot of profit that before it ever hits the books, it gets pumped into.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know, the business again., and so it doesn't really appear as being very profitable, but they've just bought all this,. You know,, terrific physical plant.. It's going to help them grow the business. So.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. I think it's really hard to figure out who would qualify for the affordable commercial space and at the same time, that I'm very skeptical about how to qualify people by amount of money that they make.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. I see the value in providing some financial assistance to businesses in older who are, you know, local and want to stay and, you know,. We know that their business is getting priced out by their landlords.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : and so, you know,. If there's some way to pump a little extra money into the monthly rent, it won't get priced out and then we'll will retain those businesses, and you know, we've been so.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know,, so on borrowed it over the years, you know, by folks talking about how businesses have to, you know,, live and die by the sword,. You know,.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : anything,. Anything else is communism,. It's almost hard as an american in the 21st century, to wrap your head around, just giving a business money, so they can keep working.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, but I think it for me. I'm willing to see what kind of criteria staff comes up with.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : to determine who qualifies, and who does. and I'm not ready to just trash the option.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : right on the surface, david.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. You want to unmute yourself, david.

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David ensign, pb:, we should always remember where my mouse is. When I see.

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David ensign, pb: okay, so,, um, yeah.. I actually.

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David ensign, pb: attended a couple of interesting virtual sessions on you know how I'm fine tuning your, your land use and codes around trying to incense local.

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David ensign, pb: economic activity and maybe try not to incent outside, you know, out of state investors, and I know that there's a reaction.

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David ensign, pb: by people in boulder., when you feel that it's outside investors coming in., and so I wonder if there, how much you can legally do to to try to limit the kinds of benefits you offer to,. You know,, like you, said harmon to local businesses or visit existing businesses that want to.

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David ensign, pb: do more and and discourage. You know.

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David ensign, pb: other kinds of.

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David ensign, pb: entities from coming in., so this and and I don't know if that's something that we've looked at kind of folding into this. and then I also don't know what can be done legally.

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David ensign, pb:, I'm sure there's regulations about what you how you can discriminate about,, but I think that, yeah,. If we can find ways to encourage local.

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David ensign, pb:, you know,, established david ensign,, pb: interests,. That would be great.

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Hella pannewig assistant city attorney:, I can speak a little bit to that david you're right there,. There are legal limits to what the city can do. That.

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Hella pannewig assistant city, attorney:, there's a judicial doctrine called the dorm and commerce costs, and it actually prohibits regulatory measures that are designed to benefit in state economic interests..

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Hella pannewig assistant city, attorney: and then at the same time discriminate against out of state interest.. So that's something that we would run up against if we did something like this.

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John gerstle, pb:, I can't,. I can't resist noting that earlier this evening we encouraged preferential treatment of local businesses for city purchasers and so on in the cips recommendations.. So I find that a little bit ironic.

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John gerstle, pb: the topic that we're discussing right, now.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, well, for, for I agree,, but for that. just to respond, you know, for that.. It was just a waiting factor., you know,, when the staff is trying to determine which, which contract to let or which procurement to,, to which you know which company to buy from.. It's just a waiting factor,, whereas this is.

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Sarah silver:, like harmon zuckerman, pb : you're, going to give money to somebody.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : and all that,, you know,, they just accept the money and then they have to run their business separately from that.. It's like a,. It's a different thing for me.

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Hella pannewig assistant city attorney:, but it is something that, that the city would have to go into in that regard. To john, like.

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Hella pannewig assistant city, attorney:, maybe there's ways hella pannewig assistant city attorney:, we'll have to look into it.

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Peter vitale pb:, the main question is the inclusion of the word commercial.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, no,, no, it's,. It's all three.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, :, commercial arts and cultural uses in the human services should they all be added, as community benefits we already have in phase one of the community benefits project. We have affordable, housing.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, so this is phase two, and these are additional community benefit, uses.

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Peter vitale pb: and it's all or nothing,, then I say,.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, don't know what john was saying: was, he can get on board with the arts and culture and human services,. But he's he's got issues and they're sticky,. I agree: with, you know, commercial and try to create affordable commercial space. I.

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Peter vitale pb:, I agree with john. I think us echoed that harmon that quantifying the need set for commercial is more complicated than residential, and we all know that obfuscating.

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Peter vitale pb: p&l statements is an art, form.

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and peter vitale pb: that it and we're going to see a downward pressure generally on commercial rates over the next few years.. I don't believe that we need to.

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Peter vitale pb: build our system into this pandemic.

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Peter vitale pb: lasting for decades,, but peter vitale pb:. I do think there's going to be some reality of discounted rates and what that even means., so if it's all or nothing. I'll take all and there'll be discretion.. The word of early john's word earlier, which I do generally agree with.

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Peter vitale pb:, but I do echo everyone's concern that commercial is a difficult one.. I know we want to get affordable, retail and affordable commercial, but.

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Peter vitale pb:, that's like saying like to play in the major leagues and we're.

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Sarah silver:, so can I put an idea out there that may be just way outside the bounds here, but.

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Sarah silver: it's kind of idea of a cash in lieu., but what, if.

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Sarah silver:, the.

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Sarah silver:, instead of expect trying to figure out whether or not the developer would.

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Sarah silver: create these particular of a bet: community benefits.

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Sarah silver:, if sarah silver:, we were raising money specifically for facilities., I don't think the human services necessarily would fit with this idea,, but the idea that money would go into a specific fund and that.

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Sarah silver:, something like a boulder housing partners, would be responsible with, would take responsibility for using those funds to build.

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Sarah silver: a building two buildings,, however many you raise money for that were specifically for market rate, a below market rate, commercial and arts and cultural uses like is that so that you.

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Sarah silver:, instead of trying to worry about.

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Sarah silver: the market itself or whether we're discriminating against someone,. You actually have an entity focused on the development of these types of community benefits.. These types of affordable, spaces.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. Anybody want to respond to that.

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David ensign, pb:, I guess I'm a little confused about how the cash in lieu will work. If we're using cash in lieu to get an exemption to or a relaxation,. I should say, of the height and density restrictions.

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David ensign,, pb: and you're not building something that fits into one of these categories,. Who decides where that cash in lieu goes.

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David ensign, pb:, is it based on what type of thing is being built.? What if it's 50% housing and 50% commercial.? Does that mean that half of the cash in lieu goes to the affordable, housing and half goes to.

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David ensign, pb: something else., so I find that a little bit difficult to to figure out.

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Karl guiler cob: yeah,, that's something we're looking at. and karl guiler cob:. It could be that it always defaults to that so affordable housing. If because we don't want to create a different monetary figure,.

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Karl guiler cob: that karl guiler cob: in lieu fee is for affordable housing, because then someone's just going to always default to whatever is the cheapest.

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Karl guiler cob: rate., but that's something we would that we're looking into.

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David ensign, pb: that what I wanted,, where I wanted to go with, that was.

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David ensign, pb:, I mean,. I heard that before. when you said that carl.. So, let's assume that we just casual new always goes to affordable housing, then really with one through three.

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David ensign, pb: we're actually talking about specific cases where, where you are building new stuff to satisfy these three types of community benefits- and I I don't know from what I'm hearing.

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David ensign, pb: most people are pretty comfortable with arts and cultural and human social services,, but we think that some more.

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David ensign, pb: work may need to be done to figure out how to define the criteria for commercial and and that we would need to see that and we're wondering if it can. yeah,, you know,, maybe be tailored to the mom and pop.

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David ensign, pb: kind of scenario, where you really show that you're in need, you know,, you want to set up a barbershop or something that, and you are just a small investor rather than a big bomber. It, and I don't know.

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David ensign, pb: those kinds of things.. I think we're looking at right.

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Sarah silver: there,, I think I'm getting a little confused, because if, if we have cash in lieu, then there's and it all goes to affordable housing, which is, of course, something we desperately need.

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Sarah silver:, then, when we don't actually get any of these additional community benefits right they develop. The developer would get the additional height.

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Sarah silver: and the city would get cash and lou.

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Sarah silver: and it would all go into affordable housing, so we actually would completely bypass getting.

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Sarah silver:, a affordable arts and culture or human and social service uses.

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Sarah silver: less.

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Karl guiler cob: have karl guiler cob: an in lieu option for these particular uses.

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Karl guiler cob: I'm going to make to see them.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, we finished carl karl guiler cob: did you have time. okay. sorry. harmon zuckerman,, pb : or I could suggest sort of along the lines of what I thought. sarah was was driving at.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : taking a radical what might be considered radical approach and doing it all as cash in lieu that, you know, so take take a normal project,, right, you're, you're doing a three story. Building.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : you're, not getting a height, modification, you're,, you're not,, you know, doing what the community benefit project was meant to do,, which is.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you provide community benefits and in return, the city gives you additional intensity and density and height.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : and we're focusing a little too much on height because really it's it's it's more about the intensity and density.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : and we've had multiple developers remind us that they can't sell height for a profit.. They can't rent height., they can rent floor area.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : so,, so that the point of the program in the comp plan was more intensity and in return. you got to give something of community benefit: art, space, affordable, housing,, whatever.,.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, so you do the three story, you don't, you're, not asking for get into the to get into the community benefit program,, but you still have to either build the affordable housing on site.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : or you have to pay into the cash and little for affordable housing.. If you pay into the cash in lieu.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, it goes to, you know,, older housing partners is next project. They build a building that is affordable, that has affordable use, affordable rents inside of it. okay, well,. What? If you want to go? Five stories.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, and you can because you're you're in a zone that allows it, and you've already paid. You know you're already factoring in the cash in lieu payment for the first three stories,, but you want to more.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : what if there was only a cash in lieu option for community benefit.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : and then, instead of having to worry about whether there's a minimum duration for how long you keep your commercial space on site in your building, affordable.

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Harmon zuckerman,, pb, : or there's a penalty for a community benefit that you stopped providing after time,. You just pay a cash in lieu fee to a city, agency.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, that's obligated to spend that money to subsidize the rents of arts agencies, you know, local commercial businesses and health and human services. Providers.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : and then crazy enough,, you know,. If that building that that you know the guy paid cash and lou for the fourth and fifth floor has commercial space on the first floor that needs a tenant.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, and you happen to be a recipient of some of that cash in lieu. You might.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : go over to that that property developer and say I want to rent,. You know, sweet one see on your first floor to put in my art, space. and oh, by the way,, because I got this cash in lieu from the city agency that handles cash in lieu. I can afford your bloated rent for your brand.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know, and that's just,, you know,. So it's this weird mix of a heavily regulated thing with a big impact fee on one hand and then total private market on the other.. It's like this,, you know,. I can't believe I'm saying this,, it sounds republican.. It's a voucher system.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know where you're helping people with public money to participate in the private market and- and I think the reason why I'm attracted to that solution is because.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, it knocks straight out of the box, it knocks, two, and three right off of the slide. We're looking at right, now., no reason to care about minimum duration or penalty fees, because the money is already been given info to the city and they can figure out how to use it.

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John gerstle, pb: certainly worth looking into.

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Lisa smith, pb:, it gets cleaner., I think it'd be worth exploring as well.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : anyway,. It's an idea, just kind of.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : off the cuff., but I think that's what we're being asked. right, carl,, just to give you some ideas and responses.

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Lisa smith, pb:. I like the idea that it also potentially has less administrative, overhead and tracking and our people compliant or not compliant.. It's a little it's easier for developer to understand,, potentially, and then also easier for staff to administrate.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : and then we're not relying on developers to determine, you know,, who qualifies the city, can determine who qualifies, and on the front end when the developers doing his or her pro forma.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : for the project, they're, going to say, well, for the additional two stories and all the density that I'm getting. The city's charging me x million dollars.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, and how does that work in terms of my debt? Service., I'm going to pay this back over time. likewise,. The city is going to say, well, we're getting this big lump sum right up front.. How can we spread that out over time to continue to provide.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : community benefits by subsidizing rent.

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Sarah silver: well, it'd be interesting to find out as well. If there are other funds to leverage with in cash in lieu for.

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Sarah silver: affordable space- that's not housing, the same way. there is, there are other funds to leverage specifically for affordable housing. I mean I. I have no idea whether there are such funds or not,, but it might be interesting to look into that.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb, : okay,, well, we've we've hit the community benefit, uses question a lot about what different uses should be included.. I think everybody you know spoken says that commercials. the tough nut to crack., but some of us think it's worth doing. and some of us think it's not.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : and harmon zuckerman,, pb, : and we've talked a lot about the end lou,, which doesn't appear in any of these four questions on the screen., but I think it's,, it's kind of the elephant in the room or the elephant on this slide.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. Does anybody have any more comments on one or should we jump to to about duration.

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Sarah silver: duration.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, agreed. okay., all right., then, carl,. Why don't you set it up.

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Karl guiler cob: well,. So when we look at the original goals and objectives of community benefit., it does actually set up the expectation for perpetuity.

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Karl guiler cob:, but I thought we should talk about that.. There are other jurisdictions that have community benefit programs that you know only have.

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Karl guiler cob: a set period of time that they that they use has to be in the building and then it's not held to that anymore.

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Karl guiler cob: we're recommending the perpetuity just in, in light of the fact that the permanently affordable housing is required in perpetuity.. But we wanted to hear feedback from the board on that.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, so I'm going to propose to the board that first we negative pole and then, if somebody wants to comment.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : will take comments. so who does not agree with the perpetuity requirement that staffs proposing.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : okay, looks like everybody agrees. Sarah is your invisible thumb saying you agree with staff.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : sarah., sarah silver: can you hear,. I was going to lock my front door.

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Sarah silver: holidays. okay, so.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : the question was,: do we agree with staffs minimum duration of perpetuity for these community benefits.

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Sarah silver: well,, like any decision, tree. it's kind of hard to say, because if you were to go down the path of the what you just suggested, there would be no minimum duration.

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Sarah silver:, if we were to go down the path of.

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Sarah silver:, the original thinking that staff has brought to us.

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Sarah silver:, I know it's hard., I mean,.

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Sarah silver:, I suppose that unlike affordable, housing.

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Sarah silver: a commercial space for example.

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Sarah silver:, it may end up that someday a building that has permanent commercial space and is located at the corner of x and y,. That's no longer a good place for commercial space., but then you've, you've.

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Sarah silver: locked the the building owner into having a commercial space and what really is should not be a commercial space. Anymore.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, the counterpoint is.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, you know, the, the benefit of the extra floor., your ratio and the five stories of height is forever. so,, you know,. Why would you relieve the building owner of the obligation to keep providing the community benefit that justified the additional heightened intensity.

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Sarah silver:, I can see sarah silver: see the argument to.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. One way to give it you know to kind of cover both basis would be require that the benefit be provided in perpetuity,, but allow more flexibility to change.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, the us, so you wouldn't lock them into commercial, you know,. They could do any of the uses, including housing. If if they could prove that there was a,, you know, lack of market for the us that they were restricted to.

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Karl guiler cob:, I think that's what we were thinking is that there would be, you know,. The more community benefit options. There are there,, they would have the ability to you know, jump from below market rate commercial to maybe a human service.

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Sarah silver: just sounds like, I have to say: I've never been a a municipal administrator,, but this sounds like a nightmare to track.

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David ensign, pb: well,, it's, um,, it would have covenants, like a vertical housing, has right we're already tracking covenants.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. We don't necessarily enforce these private covenants.

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Karl guiler cob: interesting,, there would be an agreement associated with this. The same way that would be, you know, for the housing piece that deed restrictions.

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Hella pannewig assistant city, attorney:, yeah, yeah,, do you enforce those.

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Sarah silver: that's interesting: question. harmon zuckerman, pb :, but it is making the all in lieu idea. Look: easier,, isn't it.

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John gerstle, pb: yes, indeed.

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Hella pannewig assistant city attorney:, we have to look into the we'd, have to do a legal analysis to when it's not 1130.

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Hella pannewig assistant city attorney: on collecting fees, because, if you, if you're not offering the other options. then, my first question is,, is it still an end.

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Hella pannewig assistant city attorney:, so we'll have to do some thinking around that.. That's interesting to.

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David ensign, pb:, I'm kind of landing on it's interesting to think about space that is permanently affordable and that can be.

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David ensign, pb: in david ensign, pb:, the various types of of community benefit categories that we consider so I kind of, I'm kind of interested in that as well.. So I'm not sure.

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David ensign, pb:, I'm not sure I would say that I'm leaning towards the cash in lieu only thing.

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Lisa smith, pb:, the cash in lieu lisa, smith, pb:, and I know the way you presented harmon.. It wasn't 100% for affordable housing,, but I almost wonder. and again,. This means that something else for the.

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Lisa smith, pb: city to administer a contract out but city,, provided you know or somehow city subsidized. You know commercial market., right, right.. I just,. I worry. We have such a wonderful startup culture and.

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Lisa smith, pb:, you talked about industrial uses and all that. and as in right, now, we're in the middle of coven and we'll see how we come out of that with coat with people working from home,. But.

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Lisa smith, pb:, I worry about., it's not providing those places for people to get their feet under them or for local businesses and all that.. And so I don't dislike the cash in lieu. But I I wonder if there's a way to put it toward that commercial space as well.

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Lisa smith, pb: for,, like you said,, maybe it's a voucher and you apply it.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : well,, let's, let's kind of put my idea aside and and answer the questions that are on the table.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb : so,, how to,? How do people feel about.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, we're still on in minimum duration.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :. You want to just give some guidance to staff on whether we feel like there should be a minimum duration. if so, should ever or a certain number of years, or.

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Peter vitale pb:: what's the downside of perpetuity.

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David ensign, pb:. I think it was just getting this sidetracked on the cash and loose so I'm, I would say, perpetuity.

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David ensign, pb:, I think, we're just kind of backing off all of the options on.

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David ensign, pb: the way, but I don't really see anybody arguing for a 10 or 20 years. I think., I think, if you're going to do on site, herman trying to make it permanent permanent would be the best way to do. It.

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Harmon zuckerman, pb :, I agree. lisa smith, pb:. I agree to great.

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harmon zuckerman, pb :, all right,. Let's move on penalty fees,. You want to set it up, carl.

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Karl guiler cob: yeah,, we looked at some other jurisdictions,. Obviously, a possibility with with these uses is what, if a use is traded out for another use that doesn't meet.

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Karl guiler cob: the covenant or the, the agreement,, the deed restriction or it just goes defunct and it sits vacant.. What do we do with that.

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Karl guiler cob:, so other jurisdictions do have penalty fees., and when we talk to counsel about this at the study session in 2018, they were very interested in.

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Karl guiler cob: this possibility and wanted us to look at penalty fees., so we're recommending that you know in order to discourage it and encourage.

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Karl guiler cob: an applicant to do their due process of switching out to use and getting that approved and not letting it sit idle that there'll be some sort of penalty. Fee.

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Sarah silver:, what how long would the penalty fee like what would be the.

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Sarah silver:, you get, you get charged once or are you charged intel, you utilize the space in the way that the.

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Sarah silver:, the person,, the developer, who built the building, agreed to do it.

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Karl guiler cob:, I mean,, I think we already have mechanisms in our code for for charging penalties.. I think we'd be following that, and maybe looking at some sort of like monthly.

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Karl guiler cob:, you know fee broken into a daily fee and I forget exactly how we we do,, how we assess the penalties,, but I think we would need to allow for a certain period of time.

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Karl guiler cob:, so that they have the flexibility to find another tenant and you know, go through whatever process to get that other tenant in there.. But if they don't.

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Karl guiler cob: within that period of time,, then I think the penalty fee would apply until I think at least maybe they get another application in or they.

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Karl guiler cob: to incentivize them getting the application and and then we review it and if it you know, meets our community benefit requirements,, then we would not be assessing that penalty. My.

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Sarah silver: question is the city going to take responsibility for pulling together a list of eligible eligible entities.

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Sarah silver:, the way they pull together a list of eligible residents for permanently affordable, housing.

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Karl guiler cob:, I think that's a possibility. obviously,. The difficulty with this project is we're. Building from the ground up, you know, the affordable, housing.

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Karl guiler cob: process has been in place for a long time, now. we're kind of starting from scratch with this. So we.

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Karl guiler cob: move in that direction.. I think the way we're thinking about it right now is just being very clear about defining the community benefit uses and making sure an application is clear that they're meeting you know that definition.

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Sarah silver: yeah,, but they may, you know,. I can,. I can see all kinds of opportunities for I won't call it fraud.. I don't mean not by the not by the provider,, not necessarily by the provider,, but you know joe blow builds a building and his child. His adult child creates an llc and is a.

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Sarah silver:, the owner of the building, decides that that llc meets criteria that makes them eligible for below market rate rent.. I mean, it just seems like.

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Sarah silver:, what's nice about the way our housing works, is there's a set of criteria that everybody who applies goes through,. You end up with a list and.

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Sarah silver:, that list is sort of the.

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Sarah silver: the, the bible that that affordable housing providers turn to to fill their apartments and homes.

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Sarah silver:- and maybe that is, I realized- that's not the question about penalty fees,, but I'm just thinking that.

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Sarah silver:, you kind of want.. I think you may want to think about doing the same kind of thing for.

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Sarah silver: eligible.