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B
Pb,
john
gerstle:,
who
is
actually
running
the
zoom
meeting,
here,.
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Cob,
amanda
cusworth:.
This
vision
supports
physical
and
emotional
safety
for
community
members,
staff
and
board,
and
commission
members,,
as
well
as
democracy.
for
people
of
all
ages,
identities,
lived
experiences
and
political
perspectives
for
more
information
about
this
vision
and
the
community
engagement
processes.,
you
can
visit
our
website
to
sit
here.
A
Cob,
amanda
cusworth:
um.,
the
following
are
examples
of
rules
of
decorum
found
in
the
boulder,
vice,
code
and
other
guidelines
that
support
this
vision..
These
will
be
upheld.
during
this
meeting.
All
remarks
and
testimony
shall
be
limited
to
matters
related
to
city
business..
No
participants
shall
make
threats
or
use
use
other
forms
of
intimidation
against
any
person,.
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Cob,
amanda
cusworth:,
obscenity,,
racial
epithets,
and
other
speech
and
behavior
that
disrupts
or
otherwise
impedes
the
ability
to
conduct
the
meeting
are
prohibited..
Participants
are
required
to
identify
themselves,
using
the
name.
They
are
commonly
known.
By,
and
individuals
must
display
their
whole
name
before
being
allowed
to
speak
online.
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B
Pb,
john
gerstle:
thank
you.
pb,
john
gerstle:
okay?
well,.
We
have
a
a
pretty
short
agenda
for
tonight.,
we'll
see
if
the
actual
meeting
duration
reflects
that.
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Lynn
segal::
I
have
to
now
go
twenty,
twenty,
five
minutes
to
a
threat
store..
I
was
able
to
get
one
in
ten
minutes,,
so
we
need
neighborhood
thrift
stores,,
especially
because
the
housing
costs
are
so
high
up
that
people
can't
afford
to
spend
anything,
and
I
want
to
spend.,
but
I
can
only
afford
to
spend
at
the
thrift
store.
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E
Pb,
jorge
boone:
um.
that
charles,,
you
said
that
you
would
come
to
planning
more
often,
if
at
all.
and
I
wanted
to
voice.,
I
think
everybody's
perspective.-
it's
it's,
it's
really
great
to
get
new
voices
and
to
hear
them
in
this.,
and
so
thank
you
for
thank
you
for
doing
that..
I
know
the
boulder's
code
is
headed
that
direction.
E
Pb,
jorge
boone:
uh,,
at
least
for
my
perspective..
I
I
I
agree
with
you
that
that
we
should
go
there,
faster.
um!
and
then
to
lynn,
specifically
appreciate
your
comments.
uh,.
I
also
take
my
vehicle
to
to
hoshi
motors
my!.
My
niece
got
her
first
job
at
harry's
thrift,
shop.
um!.
I
purchased
a
table
from
that
that
that
chop
around
the
corner,
and
I'm
disappointed
to
lose
that
light.
Industrial,
there.
um,
and
I'm
hopeful.
E
E
Pb,
jorge
boone:
an
interesting
place
to
live,
and
also
services
like
that.
Don't
disappear
from..
As
we
talk
about
fifteen
minute
neighborhoods..
We
often
talk
about
coffee
shops
and
things
like
that.,
but,,
um!,
those
types
of
businesses,
are.
we're
losing
those,
and
and
and
they're
not
getting
replaced
here.
so
um,,
at
least
from
my
perspective..
That's
also
something.
E
B
Pb,,
jorge
boone:,
okay,,
pb,,
john
gerstle:,
all
right.,
so
we'll
move
ahead
with
uh,
I'll,
not
repeat
what
I
was
just
reading,,
but
we're
moving
ahead
with
the
concept
plan
review
case
number
l..
You
are
two
thousand
and
twenty-two
point:
zero
zero
one
zero.
B
Cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
so,
staff,,
I
think
chatnam
looks
like
you're
getting
ready
to
talk,,
so
we're
eager
to
hear
what
you
have
to
tell
us.
very
well,
thanks
so
much.
um.,
good
evening,,
chair.
members
of
the
board.
chatnobyista
city
senior
planner
is
going
to
present
staff
analysis
today,
and
we
look
forward
to
the
discussion
and
your
feedback.
so,
shannon,.
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F
F
F
Pb,
john
gerstle:,
the
purpose
of
a
concept
plan
is
to
determine
the
general
development
plan
for
a
particular
site,
and
to
help
identify
key
issues
for
the
applicant
in
advance
of
a
site.
Review
submitted.
Um.
discussion
and
comments
should
be
based
on
under
the
concept
plan
criteria,,
which
is
listed
on
the
screen.
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F
F
F
F
Cob,
shabnam
bista:
in
the
land.
use,
plan,
or
the
project
site
is
zoned
industrial
general
consistent
with
the
bbcp
designation..
The
industrial
general
zoning
is
intended
for
lightning,
industrial
uses
and
manufacturing
operations
as
well.
F
Cob,
shabnam
bista:,
so
the
proposal,,
the
concept
plan
proposal
itself
encompasses
thoughts,
four
and
five.,
but
this
larger
development
is
located
within
the
pearl
east
business.
park
planned
unit
development
with
it,,
including
lost
two
to
ten
under
the
same
ownership.
F
F
F
Cob,
shabnam
bista:
in
terms
of
the
surrounding
uses
for
the
surrounding
uses
within
a
half
mile
radius
of
the
proposed
development..
F
F
Cob,
shabnam
bista:
um,
further
west
is
the
concept
plan
proposal.
that
was
before
planning
board
on
thirty,
six,
seventy,
five
walnut,,
which
was
also
a
life
sciences.
Building
to
the
north
is
auto
sales
and
auto-repair
uses.
directly
to
the
east
is
the
cottonwood
grove,,
open,
space,
and
then
to
the
south.
F
Cob,
shabnam
bista:
um!.
This
is
what
some
of
the
surrounding
uses
look
like.
The
internal
street
is
pearly
circle,,
which
is
internal
to
the
larger
development..
Um!.
There
is
the
open
space
to
the
east,
and
then
some
of
the
auto
dealerships
to
the
north.
F
F
Cob,
shabnam
bista:
so,,
as
mentioned
before,,
the
proposal
is
for
life,
science,
and
office
building
for
the
applicant..
The
expected
tenants
consist
of
biotech
companies
typically
requiring
labs
based
in
office
space,,
but
heavily
leaning
towards
the
lab
spaces,.
The
building
will
remain
flexible
to
accommodate
broader
users
and
development
or
tech
office.
Tenants
as
well.
F
F
Cob,
shabnam
bista:
should
be
given
to
activating
that
public
realm
near
the
entry
plaza.
F
F
Cob,
shabnam
bista:
per
the
landies
code..
There
are
six
circumstances
in
which
a
height
modification
can
be
considered
through
a
site
review
without
triggering
community
benefit
requirements..
So
the
applicant
would
need
to
demonstrate
that
the
proposal
meets
one
of
those
criterias,
particularly
number
two,,
which.
F
F
Pb,
john
gerstle:
staff
finds
that
the
proposed
concept
plan
is
preliminarily
consistent
with
many
of
the
goals,
objectives
and
recommendations,,
particularly
policies
related
to
redevelopment
of
sites,
while
preserving
industrial
areas
and
uses,.
F
F
F
F
F
Cob,
shabnam
bista:
that
you
see
there
in
the
image
below
is
actually
over
sixteen
feet.,
so
the
the
applicant
would
need
to
revise
that
to
meet
the
code.
F
Cob,
shabnam
bista:
and
the
general
screening
for
the
other
buildings
in
the
pd.
or
in
the
business
park,
are
smaller,
or
appear
to
be
smaller
and
not
as
visible;.
G
G
G
Pb,
sarah
silver:
that
impacts
this
development
is
proposed.
Development?.
F
Cob,
shabnam
bista:
um!,
I
can't
think
of
anything
else..
The
only
other
thing
would
be
that
lot
area.,
so
the
applicant,.
If
that
the
project
moves,
forward,,
would
need
to
go
through
a
subdivision
in
order
to
eliminate
the
law
line
between
block
four
and
five.
um,
since
they're,
proposing
the
building
over
that
law
line
at
this
time.
G
G
G
G
G
Pb,
john
gerstle:
um,
ah!.
They
would
need
to
include
usable,
open
space,,
which
I
don't
think
parking
lots
would
be
considered
under
that.,
um,
and
charles.
ah,.
Correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,,
but
I
think
they
would
need
to
not
include
the
hotel,
since
that's
not
being
included
in
the
parking
calculation,
either.
F
G
I
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
thank
you..
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
that
are
related
to
the
community
benefit
provision
in
exchange
for
the
height
that
the
applicant
is
requesting.
I'm.
a
little
bit
confused,,
because
I
thought
I
read
in
the
memo
that
the
only
way
this
project
could
get
the
extra
height
was
by
providing
community
benefit
in
the
form
of
a
capital
impact
fee
that
would
go
towards
permanently
affordable,
housing.,
and
that's
not
what
I
heard
in
the
presentation.
in
the
presentation.
Shutting
on,.
I
Pb,
john
gerstle:,
so
I
was
reading
quickly,,
so
I
might
have
misread
that.,
but
so
I'm
not..
I
think
I
heard
you
say
in
the
presentation
that
they
could
get
the
height
because
they're
in
an
in
an
industrial
zone,.
If
they
can
show
that
the
height
is
necessary
for
the
the
industrial
processes
that
they
are
planning
to.
Host.
I
Pb,
laura
kaplan:,
and
then
I
also
read
in
the
applicant
statement
that
they
felt
that
the
open
space
and
landscape
improvements
provided
the
community
benefit
for
height..
So
that's
three
different
potential
justifications.
for
why
they
could
get
the
extra
heights..
Can
you
help
clarify
shopping
on
what?
what??
Actually,
their
options
are
for
getting
the
extra
height
that
we
should
be
considering.
F
F
F
Cob,
shabnam
bista:
would
be
the
one
where
they're
in
the
industrial
zone
and
the
height
they
have
demonstrated
that
the
height
is
required
for
the
lab,
spaces,
or
manufacturing,,
or
the
different
industrial
use
that
they're
proposing.
I
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
I
in,
and
I'm
sorry.
I
didn't
have
time
to
look
it
up
before
this
meeting.,
I'm
in
california,
for
a
three
day
workshop,
and
I'm
running
around..
But
I
thought
that
was
pegged
to
buildings
that
were
only
two
stories..
I
didn't
think
that
they
could
get
that
exception
if
it
was
more
than
a
two-story
building.
I
I
F
I
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
okay..
So
and
again
I
I'm
looking
the
wrong
packet.,
but
I
was
looking
at
the
under
height
modification.,
the
second
paragraph,,
the
last
sentence
in
my
packet
says:.
The
concept
plan
proposal
as
designed,
would
only
be
able
to
meet
the
criterion
that
allows
for
a
high
bonus
for
projects
providing
community
benefit
consistent
with
requirements
of
section
nine
to
two,
fourteen,,
and
maybe
I'm
misunderstanding.
What
that
means,,
but.
I
I
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
okay.
ah,.
Thank
you
for
that.,
but
I
am
assuming
that
that
what
the
ah!
the
applicant
says
in
the
the
packet,
in
their
applicant
statement,,
where
they
believed
that
landscape
and
open
space
improvements
would
provide
the
community
benefit
needed
to
get
the
extra
height,,
but
that
that's
kind
of
a
non-starter.
J
J
H
K
K
K
K
Hella
pannewig,
cao:
tell
me
if
I'm
wrong
or
not
on
this
one
chapman.,
but
I
believe
that
hasn't
been
asserted
at
this
point
in
time,
that
it
would
be
necessary
for
manufacturing,
testing
on
industrial
process
or
equipment.
I
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:.
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
hope
that
if
they
do
go
that
path
like
that,,
they
provide
something
pretty
convincing,,
because
just
to
say,
well,
we
speculatively
could
have
a
tenant
that
might
need
this
height
to
me
is
not
a
very
convincing
reason
why
we
should
go
from
a
standard
of
forty
feet
to
automatically..
Everybody
gets
fifty,
five
feet.
If
they
speculatively
could
have
some
equipment
that
might
need
it?.
B
Pb,
john
gerstle:
okay,
yeah,
pb,
john
gerstle:,
very
good.
I
think.
uh,
george
was
going
to
ask
some.
E
Pb,,
jorge
boone:,
I
have
lots
of
comments
about
reverse,
preserve
and
questions
for
the
applicant.,
but
I'll
reserve
that
for
that
period.
question
for
staff
was
you
had
mentioned
in
the
presentation.?
There
are.
E
Pb,
jorge
boone:
buildings
adjacent
that
have
forty,
one
to
fifty,,
one
feet:
tall.
um!
and
I
wanted
to
understand
sort
of.
I
I'm
looking
at
an
apologies,.
So
I'm
looking
at
the
same
packet
that
I
was
looking
at,.
So
I'm
looking
at.
E
E
E
E
F
F
F
E
E
Pb,
jorge
boone:
for
the
mechanical
shrouding.
F
E
E
F
E
E
E
E
A
Lisa
smith:
for
revealed
that
I'm.,
but
I'm
struggling
to
read
some
maps
here,,
but
but
I
think
the
location
is
interesting
because
of
the
proximity
to
um!,
to
what
I
think
of
the
as
the
t
back
or
older
junction,
and
especially
phase
two..
I
don't
know
exactly
where
we're
at
with
phase
two.
I
won't
bring
up
real
and
trains
right,
now,.
A
A
A
Lisa
smith:
jumps
out
at
me.
um!.
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
what
other
playing
board.
members
are
saying
about
what
we're
gonna
want
to
see
when
you
come
back..
If
you're
saying
you
need
extra
height,
um,,
you
know,.
If
you
could
get
some
specifics
about
what
you
mean
by
that?,
what
you
know
is
it
hoods,
is
it?.
What
do
you
need??
Do
you
need
it
throughout,
or
just
for
certain
kinds
of.
A
A
A
Lisa
smith:,
we
may
pay
more
attention
when
it
comes
back
partially
because
of
where
this
is
in
the
city,
and
the
fact
that
it's
kind
of
in
this
area
that's
changing
over
in
its
proximity
and
overlap
into
other
areas
that
do
actually
have
community
plans
for
them..
But
by
and
large
it
seems
consistent.
um,
and
that's
where
I'm
at
on
this
day.
I
A
Lisa
smith:,
I
don't
know
whether
he
ups
that,,
but
that
that's
coming
for
it,,
just
because
we
lisa
smith:
so
much
of
what
we
end
up
deciding
on
right
now
is
in
these
areas.
and
that's
why,
yeah,,
and
it's
still
that
industrial..
But
it's
a
very
differently
industrial
than
we
have
sometimes
had
in
the
past.
A
B
B
B
F
F
F
H
H
H
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
so
I
I'm
not
seeing
anything
in
the
pud
that
would
be
a
barrier
to
entry
as
far
as
um,,
a
partial
redevelopment
of
a
site.
assume
that
they
can
need
all
the
other
standards
at
the
time
of
site
with
you.
G
G
G
Pb,
sarah
silver:
pb,
sarah
silver:
trips
during
the
number,,
whether
it's
based
on
a.
G
H
G
G
G
G
H
H
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):.
I
think
that
those
upgrades
that
are
planned
are
really
just
more
modernizations,
and
are
not
going
to
be
any
net
changes,
as
far
as
additional
office
space
goes..
But
that
would
be
our
ask
from
the
applicant
working
for
us
that
they
consider
um..
You
know
kind
of.
H
I
I
I
J
J
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
pb
mark
mcintyre:
that
that
distance
of
a
mile
is
that
anywhere
in
the
code
where
it
says.
J
J
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
but
is
that
anywhere
in
the
code
that
might
affect.
J
J
M
F
M
M
H
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
what
their
plans
are
as
far
as
environmental
impact,
mitigation,.
M
M
Pb,
ml
robles:
property,
line.,
pb,
ml
robles:.
How
I'm
guessing
that
this
new
square
footage.
M
M
H
H
F
M
E
Pb,
jorge
boone:
thank
you.,
pb,,
jorge
boone:,
great
question.,
so
I
was
looking
at
the
project
description,
and
also
reflecting
on
chopin's
presentation,,
which
was
great
by
the
way.
thank
you..
Um!
you'd
mention
the
inclusion
of
office
as
part
of
this.
E
E
N
E
E
E
H
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
you
know
ultimately,
when
we
have
detailed
floor
plans
at
site,,
review,
we're
going
to
have
to
scrutinize
them,
and
really
make
a
determination
as
to
whether
or
not
professional
office
is
truly
the
principal
use,
and
we'll
look
at
the
floor.
Plates.
we'll
definitely
look
at,,
you
know,
the
break
out
of
spaces
and
the
operational
characteristics.,
but.
H
H
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
you
know
what
the
operational
characteristics
will
be
as
the
design
moves
forward..
So
I
know
that
that's
kind
of
a
non-answer.,
but
as
we
get
more
detail
at
the
site,
review
phase,
it's
something
that
we're
going
to
have
to
scrutinize
and
kind
of
go
back
and
forth
with
the
applicant
on
it,,
because
it
just.
G
G
G
Pb,
sarah
silver:
tracks
or
evaluates
a
project
like
this
visa.
V.
these
kind
of
environmental
impacts,.
H
H
G
Pb,
sarah
silver:
okay.
um,
pb,,
sarah
silver:.
When
we
get
to
the
conversation
part,,
I
will
say
I
did
some
google
research
on
life
science,
waste
products,,
not
not
a
pretty
site.,
so
my
last
question,,
which
I
just
would
like
some
insight
into
the
floodplain
issues..
So
it
looks
like
about
a
third,
or
maybe
half
of
this
building.
G
G
H
H
Cob,,
charles
ferro,
(he/him):
um,,
so
that's
something
that
exists
throughout
the
city.
um,.
As
far
as
the
existing
conditions
on
the
site.,
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
approve
a
project
based
on
work
that
hasn't
been
done,
yet..
So
there's
upstream
improvements
that
haven't
been
executed
or
completed,.
We
can't
consider
those.
H
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
it
was
really
just
to
understand
more
fully.
ah,
what
the
flood
plain
issues
are
for
that
site,
and
what
the
implications
are
for
the
development,.
The
proposed
development.
H
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
it
looks
like
the
map
that
I'm
looking
at
here,
and
shopmen,.
Please
correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong.,
this
specific
area
of
the
site
has
some
hundred
year
impacts.
and
some
five
hundred
year
impact.,
so
they
will
need
to
elevate
the
building
and
flood
proof,.
G
G
B
B
Pb,
john
gerstle:
and
there
I'm.
ah,
thinking
not
only
of
flood
concerns
down
there,,
but
also
the
impact
on
water
level
in
the
neighborhood,
and
impacts
on
the
local
vegetation..
If
pumping
is
required
to
to
draw
down
the
water
level
to
avoid.
H
Cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
so,
from
a
regulatory
perspective,
we'll
have
to
comply
with
all
the
cities,
kind
of
pumping
and
and
discharge
regulations..
As
far
as
the
design
goes,
in
the
impact,,
I
would
probably
defer
to
the
applicants
consulting
team
on
that
this
evening.
We
don't
have
any
kind
of
level
of
detail
at
this
point
at
concept.
Plan.
H
Cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
about
whether
or
not
um,,
you
know
they're
going
to
have
to
pump
around
water
in
order
to
accommodate
the
parking
garage
at
this
point..
But
if
they
did,
uh,,
we
had
very
specific
standards
that
you
know..
We
have
a
lot
of
examples.
downtown,
for
example,,
where
we
have
multiple
levels
of
sub-grade
parking
where
the
groundwater
table
is
very
high.
H
Cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
the
city's
regulations,,
as
well
as
the
state's
ultimate
discharge
permitting,,
but
maybe
a
question
for
the
consulting
team
tonight
to
see
how
far
along
they
are
on
their
research..
B
F
F
F
B
Pb,
john
gerstle:,
along
pearl
street
itself,.
H
H
Cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
to
study
the.
H
H
H
B
B
F
F
Cob,
shabnam
bista:
or
cob,
shabnam
bista:
industrial
sorry..
Let
me
pull
this
up.
F
O
O
A
N
A
B
O
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy,
group:
wonderful.,
so
good
evening..
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
opportunity
to
present
our
concept.
Ideas
to
you,
tonight..
I
think
we
listen
to
a
lot
of
your
questions
and
recognize..
This
is
very
conceptual.,
and
so
we
look
forward
to
a
really
robust
discussion
about
expectations
and
code
requirements
to
move
forward.
O
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy,
group:
um,,
danica,
powell,,
trestle
strategy,
group:
and
we
hope
to
answer
many
of
the
questions.
I'll
do
my
best
to
try
and
address
a
couple
of
them
as
I
present,,
but
we
would
love
for
you
to,
you
know,,
redirect
them
to
us.
and
hopefully,.
We
can
go
through
the
technical
aspects
of
our
project.
O
O
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy,
group:,
a
lot.
danica
powell,
trestle
strategy,
group:
um,,
danica,
powell,,
trestle
strategy
group:.
We
will
also
discuss,,
as
we
alluded
to
the
overlay
plans
for
the
entire
industrial
part,
which
include
a
lot
of
smaller
improvements
to
really
increase
and
improve
the
place,
making
mobility,
sustainability,
and
experience,
signage,
et
cetera,
of
this
kind
of
very
dated
office,
part
industrial
part.,.
O
O
O
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy
group:,
the
current
land
uses,
is
shopnam
describes,
or
light
industrial
spread
over
multiple
buildings.
um,,
there's
really
strong,
adjacency
to
boulder
creek
and
open
spaces,,
and
so
a
lot
of
the
concepts
that
we'll
be
discussing
both
with
this
building
and
the
overall
campus..
Improvements
include
really
connecting
to
the
overall
system
open
space
and
also
inviting
the
public
to
be
part
of
this
office
park,
and
not
just
an
auto-oriented
environment,.
O
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy,
group:,
the
pud,
is
many
several
decades
old..
It
includes
a
lot
of
uses..
A
lot
of
hasn't
been
a
lot
of
amendments.
and
you
know,
with
this
site
review.
We
do
hope
to
amend
that
ped
to
really
bring
this.
This
site,
this
project,
this
building
into
the
current
energy
code,.
The
current
expectations
around
mobility,.
O
O
O
O
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy,
group:
number
six
under
nine
hundred
and
fourteen,,
which
is
a
payment
of
the
additional
linkage
fee..
So
with
any
bonus
for
area
that
one
point,
four,
three
percent
additional
linkage
fee
would
meet
the
community
benefit
requirement..
We
haven't
actually
proposed.
O
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy
group:,
whether
the
industrial
use
needs
additional
height..
I
think
that
I'm
familiar
with
the
other
project
you're
talking
about.
and
at
this
point
our
proposal
is
really
to
pay
that
additional
community
benefit,
fee
to
achieve
the
height,
and
and
ultimately
meet
the
side,
review,
criteria.
and
I'm
sure
there's
going
to
be
many
more
questions
on
that,.
P
Q
Q
Gina
guarascio:
thoughtfully,
develop
and
manage
and
operate
buildings,
and
are
very
excited
to
be
in
the
par
least
community.
In
boulder.,
we
purchased
the
building
in
june
of
twenty,
twenty
one
and
look
forward
to
continuing
to
be
a
part
of
this
community.
P
Jon
gambrill:
thank
you,
gina.,
so
I'm
going
to
just
take
a
couple
of
seconds
here..
I
know
it's
not
necessarily
tied
to
the
immediate
project,,
but
I
know
we
were
talking
about
it,
and
you
definitely
know
about
a
number
of
these
things..
So
we
were
going
to
elaborate
on
a
few
of
the
other
elements
that
we're
currently
working
on
across
the
campus.
P
Jon
gambrill:,
but
these
three
areas,
marked
with
number
threes,
four
thousand
seven
hundred
and
eighty,
forty,
eight,
eighty,
eight,,
forty,,
nine,
ninety,.
Nine
are
three
buildings
that
we
are
doing:
modernization
projects
for
improving
the
mechanical
systems
and
really
bringing
them
up
to
being
able
to
help
support.
P
P
P
Jon
gambrill:
tentatively,
two
locations
for
e-bite
share
hubs,
kind
of
in
the
central
spine
of
the
park
to
help
aid
in
commuting
both
to
and
from
and
around
the
immediate
neighborhood.
P
P
P
Jon
gambrill:
that
will
open
up
to
outdoor
seating
immediately
adjacent
to
this
building,,
and
that
is
one
linkage
that
we
are
hoping
not
only
will
users
of
the
campus,,
but
also
be
an
amenity
from
a
lunchtime
provision
on
to
neighboring
properties.
Next
slide.
P
Jon
gambrill:
food
trucks
to
this
area
and
providing
outdoor,
seating,
and
kind
of
a
fun
play
on
the
asphalt
again,
part
of
this
community.
Building
exposure
to
bringing
an
opportunity
to
be
on
site
or
across
the
street,
or
to
nearby.
L
Sar+:
first
floor
plan.
ah,
this
proposed
building,
the
places
that
we
suggest
earlier
earlier.
Our
surface
parking,
lot.
note:
the
building
is
step
back
from
the
parkway,
consistent
with
the
existing
buildings,
service
access,
and
a
down
ramp
for
all
of
grant
parking
is
located
east
of
the
property.
L
L
L
L
L
B
G
G
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy,
group:
um,,
and
you
include
the
hotel,
which
apparently
can't
include.,
so
I'm
be
curious
in
the
proposal
that
you
just
walked
us
through,
separating
out
the
hotel
and
separating
out
the
parking
which
you're
and
also
not
supposed
to
use
in
that
calculation.
What
percentage
of
your
campus
is
actually
open?
Space,.
P
P
P
I
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy
group:.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
about
art.
um,,
which
is
very
consistent
with
the
vision
of
the
east
boulder.,
so
community
plan
that
there
would
be
in
these
funky
industrial
spaces,
a
lot
of
public
art,
or
a
fair
amount
of
public
art.,
and
I
did..
I
was
very
pleased
to
see
in
the
concept
plan
submittal
that
art
is
mentioned.
A
couple
of
times.
and
so
one
place
where
it's
and
mentioned
is
that
in
the
entry
area.
it
says
it
could
house
a
public
art,
feature.
O
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy
group:,
so
I
think
without
again.
you
know,.
A
lot
of
these
questions
are
really
going
to
get
drilled
down
into
our
site
review.,
but
I
believe
we
have
a
partnership
with
the
moca
to
identify
public
art
installations
throughout
the
campus,,
so
not
only
in
the
buildings,
but
outside
the
building,
and
so
putting
those
in
places
where
both
the
public
and
the
users
of
the
campus
can
enjoy
them..
And
so
we
love
to
hear
your
feedback
on
how
that
can
be
best
integrated,
and
what
type.
Q
Q
I
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
great.,
that's
good
to
hear
and
and-
and
maybe
this
has
some
overlap
with
my
other
question
in
that
shared
campus
amenity
suite..
It
talks
about
a
local
art
program
for
that
shared
humanity
suite,,
and
it
is
that
the
same
thing
that
you
were
just
talking
about?
or
is
that
something
different?.
Q
I
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
okay,
um,.
I
I
pb,
laura
kaplan:.
I
did
not
mean
for
this
to
be
a
gotcha,
and
I'm
not
trying
to
make
a
gotcha
in
any
way..
But
I
did
notice
that
in
the
trip
generation
analysis
it
said
that
the
amenity
space
won't
generate
external
trips,
and
I'm,.
You
know,
trying
to
square
that
with
the
idea
of
an
art
program
that
would
attract
outside
folks.
um,
and
maybe
you're
expecting
them
all
to
come
by
bicycle
and
on
the
creek
path,,
which
would
be
amazing..
I
J
J
J
J
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
make
it
something
other
than
kind
of.
J
L
Sar+:
cause
more
attention
sar+:
to
the
mechanical
equipment,.
L
P
Jon
gambrill:
no.,
I
think
you
you
covered
it,
chris..
I
think
we
we
will.,
we
always
want
it
to
be
integrated
into
the
architecture
of
the
building
as
much
as
possible..
So
I
think
chris's
answer
suffices..
I
think,
as
it
relates
to
the
uses,.
I
think
we
will.
there
has
been
some
further
development,.
N
O
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy,
group:,
but
certainly
site
review
criteria
will
push
us
to..
You
know,
meet
the
architectural
expectations
of
you
know
the
whole
building
as
a
whole,
I
think,
in
the
screening.
I
would
consider
that
part
of
that
in
terms
of
high
quality,
materials
and
massing
and
scale.,
so
I
think.
O
J
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
a
couple.
J
J
J
J
J
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
and
incomplete
pb
mark
mcintyre:,
tdm.
toolkit
that
is
not
official
by
any
standard
anywhere,.
As
far
as
I
know,
of.
J
J
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
great
for
bikes
and
peds,,
but
it's
it's
really
pretty
poor
for
transit..
So
are
you
relying
on
that
tdm
toolkit.
O
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy
group:
so
that
great
question,,
mark,
and
no,
that
I
agree
with
you,
I
think.
um,
we're
exploring
lots
of
mobility..
I
think
it's
important
both
for
the
owner
of
the
property
and
and
the
community
at
large..
We
did
meet
with
the
to
remember
the
name..
It's
with
the
chamber
and
the
city,
the
boulder
connections,
and,
you
know,,
looking
at
micro,
mobility.
J
Over
transportation,
can
I?
danica
powell,
trestle
strategy,
group:
yeah.,
so
we
did
already
have
a
meeting
with
all
of
that
staff
to
talk
about.,
what?
um,.
What
micro
mobility
could
exist
at
this
site.
and
how
do
we
get
people
on
that?
Last
mile,
I
think,
similar
to
how
it
was
explored
on
the
spine
road
project,
like
what
is
the
unique
characteristics
of
the
site,.
O
O
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy,
group:
and
you
know
other
places
like
the
bike
park,
and
you
know
other
things
in
the
area
as
well
as
how
do
we
get
close
closer
to
the
regional
transit,,
which
is
not
right?
Adjacent,,
so
we'll
continue
to
have
those
discussions..
We
have
not
flushed
that
out
yet
other
than
working
directly
with
recycled
to
install
those
stations,.
J
J
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
doing
what
happens
in
flattening
the
industrial
part,
which
is,
they
drive
in
in
the
morning.
they
drive
out
at
once..
They
drive
back
after
lunch..
They
drive
out
in
the
evening,
and
and,
you
know,
having
some
internal
trip
capture
with
amenities,
cafes,
eating,
areas,
whatever,,
and
I
know
screws.
J
E
Pb,
jorge
boone:
well,
mark,.
That
was
a
great
same
way
into
my
questions,,
because
I
think
what
the
applicant
presented
there
with
the
campus.,
I'm
not
sure
we
can
take
that
into
consideration,
unless
that's
included
in
the
design
that
they're
putting
forth
to
us..
I
I
want
a
clarification
on
staff.
E
E
H
H
E
H
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
you
would
have
to
ask
to
formally
amend
the
site
review,,
and
then
we
have
some
processes
in
the
code
that
lay
out
how
you
can
do
that,.
O
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy
group:.
I
I
I'll
try
and
address
this..
I
think
we're
struggling
with
this
as
well..
You
know,,
there's
some
shorter
term
solutions
that
we
really
want
to
implement.
A
site.
review
can
take
two
years
to
get
through
the
process,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
these
things.
We
would
like
to
do.
Now.
O
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy,
group:,
so
hopefully,
by
the
time
we
get
to
site
review,.
We
can
show
you
that
they're
underway
or
actually
built.
they're,
not
promises.
they're,
actually
in
their
commitments..
I
think
most
of
them.,
I
think
we're
still
working
that
out..
So
this
is
a
complex
we
in
our
pre-app.
We.
O
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy
group:,
we
talked
about
both
of
these
kind
of
larger
campus
projects.
and
then
how
do
we
do
a
discrete
site
review,?
And
how
do
we
accelerate
some
of
these
mobility,
improvements,
and
amenity
improvements,,
while
not
increasing
square
footage,
while
not
changing.?
You
know
the
dynamic
of
the
site..
I
hear
you
about
the
amenity
space,
and
maybe
bringing
in
additional
traffic.
we'll
look
at
that.,
but
the
goal
is
to
get
some
of
those
in
the
ground
asap.
While
we
work
on
this
larger
site
review,.
So
it's
a
bit
of
a.
O
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy,
group:
conundrum
that
we've
been
grappling
with,,
and
we
want
to
continue
to
discuss
that
with
the
city..
Do
that,
and
I
appreciate
that..
We
do
have
process
mechanisms
by
where
we
can
amend
the
existing
pd.
to
help
support
some
of
those
things
in
advance
of
this
project.
H
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
I
think
we'll
just
ultimately
want
to
be
thoughtful
about
how
the
campus
master
plan
is
really
going
to
play.
Out.
but,
um,
you
know,.
We
can
continue
that
conversation..
We
we
have
the
mechanisms
by
where
we
can
do
that..
We
just
don't
want
any
to
put
the
cart
before
the
or
so,.
O
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy
group:,
and
I
think
some
of
those
would
be
done
through
probably
minor
mods,,
you
know,,
to
add
some
of
those
enhancements
and
landscape
enhancements.,
so
we're
just
adding
to
not
taking
away
from..
So
I
think
that's
where
the
process
is
really
important
to
all
of
us.
I
O
M
M
Pb,
ml
robles:
of
questions,
cob,,
amanda
cusworth:,
and
I
think
that
this
idea
of
the
whole
ped
versus
the
discrete
building
and
its
impact
are
going
to
be
folded
into
some
of
my
questions,
because
so
first
off
I'll
start
off
with
a.
M
O
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy,
group:.
I
think
it's
one
point:
six
megawatts.,
I
believe
it's
it's
a
lot.
and
so
they're
working
unicode.,
solar
unicode
is
the
property
manager,
and
they
have
a
solar
company..
So
there's
been
a
lot
of
iteration
on
how
to
best
electrify
and
and
create
renewable
energy
for
the
campus..
My
understanding
is
that
would
probably
be
again,
and
possibly
a
minor
mod
to
get
that
going
sooner
rather
than
later,,
but
it
would
provide
electricity
to
the
entire.
O
P
M
P
P
Jon
gambrill:
on
day
to
day
on
that.,
but
that
is
a
step.
That's
has
been
put
in
front
of
us.
M
M
Pb,
ml
robles:
serves
that
client
base.
M
Pb,
ml
robles:
with
the
apertures.,
so
I'm
just
so.,
I'm
curious
about
the
glass
onto
how.
How
does
the
building
function
with
that
amount
of
glass?
Given
the
client
base,
you're,
looking
for?,
and
what
about
the
glass
and
the
environmental
consequences
of
having
that
amount
of
transparency?.
P
P
P
P
P
P
M
Pb,
ml
robles:
non
previous.
M
M
M
O
O
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy
group:
a
parking
lot
now,,
so
it
is
impervious
at
the
moment.,
so
it
I
actually
think
it
might
be,
adding
it
a
more
previous
area.
I'll
look
to
cody
to
correct
me.
um,.
We
are
adding
water
quality,.
I
believe,
to
this
building
and
the
site,
so
which
I
don't
believe
currently
exists..
Some
of
these
old
parks
don't
have
those
water
quality
features?,
especially
discharging
in
boulder
creek.
O
O
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy,
group:,
you
know,,
would
have
the
requirements,
so
I
know,
and
we
I
know,
there's
a
question
earlier
about
brown
water..
So
these
are
all
things
that
we
will
study..
So
it's
a
combination
of
meeting
the
code,
and
hopefully
improving
the
existing
conditions
which
you
know,
aren't
designed
or
designed
for
these
larger
storm
events.
I
think,
when
it
was
built
in
the
unknowns.
cody:
anything
it
add
from
a.
R
R
R
Cody
gratny:
um..
What
concerns?
We
also
know
that
the
city
is
part
of
another
project
to
mitigate
the
flood
plane
on
this
property
over
next
to
the
conscious
bay
property,
just
south
of
carol,.
R
R
R
O
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy,
group:
thanks,
cody,,
just
to
clarify.,
so
the
the
club
project
and
our
project
will
not
hinge
on
a
future
project
that
is
also
underway
where
we
have
covid
and
I
happen
to
be
working
on
that
initiative
as
well
and
hopefully
the
other
with
the
city.,
but
right
now,.
It
happens,
is
the
the
slew
over,
talks
at
the
railroad
tracks..
It
hits
the
railroad
tracks,
and
then
backs
up
and
comes
around..
O
O
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy
group:
do
the
condition,
conditional,
letter,,
map,,
revision,
and
and
and
gotten,
you
know,
general
agreement
from
the
railroad,,
the
ditch
companies,
and
the
city
to
pursue
a
mitigation
project.
Now
that
has
a
life
of
its
own,
and
you
know
funding
of
its
own
and
requirements
of
its
own..
But
the
goal
is
to
probably
it's
just
the
overtopping
of
the
railroad
tracks,
which
causes
all
this
sheet
flooding
throughout
the
entire
area..
So
we
will
plan
for
our
condition
without
that
mitigation.
Without
that
happening.
O
M
M
Pb,
ml
robles:
um,,
you
will
actually
be
reducing
the
amount
of
the
impervious
area.
I'm..
I'm
not
sure
that
I
concur
with
that.
but
you're
putting
a
building
in
which
is
not
going
to
be
pervious..
I
don't
see
a
lot
of
green
um,.
I
think
there's
a
little
strip
around
the
around
the
building
edge.,
but.
M
Pb,
ml
robles:,
so
anyway,
just
relative
to
that,.
I
think
that
the
heat
island
will
still
be
there,.
It'll
just
be
up
higher,.
M
M
Pb,
ml
robles:
casual
dining
areas
and
that
sort
of
thing.
um.,
so
two
questions.
one
is
so
the
number
seven.
that's
the
one.
I
was
worried
about
with
the
flooding,,
because
that
looked
like
it
was
right
in
that
area.,
a
lot
of
it
in
that
car
came
out
after
a
storm,,
and
it's
all
flooded
up.
So
just
something
to.
M
P
P
P
P
P
P
O
O
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy,
group:
um.
and
so,
you
know,
balancing.-
that
is
really
important,
both
with
this
project
and
I
think,
with
all
the
other
projects
you're
seeing
it's
there's
way
too
much.
Parking.
um,,
so
the
overall
parking
will
be
reduced
both
with
both
kind
of,
but
I
still
think,
there'll
be
plenty
of
parking
and
hopefully
with
mobility
enhancements..
We
can
even
get
that
down
here.
M
M
Pb,
ml
robles:
reusing
the
yes
fault
areas.,
which
is
it's
a
good
thing.
You
didn't
ask
for
a
parchment
reduction.,
so
I
was
just
curious
as
to
how
that
played
out..
But
I
hear
you
that
there
is
a
sea
of
parking
out
there.
M
M
Pb,
ml
robles:,
the
storm,
water,
storm,
water
on
site,
and
those
kinds
of..
I
understand
that
it's
a
whole
big
campus.,
but
I
think,
looking
at
the
specific
building
and
its
impacts
to
its
adjacent
area
will
be.
M
M
M
B
Pb
john
gerstle:
okay,
pb
john
gerstle:
other
questions
of
the
applicant.
B
L
L
B
Sar+:
okay?
well,.
I
think
that
concludes
the
presentation
and
questions
for
the
applicant..
So
thank
you
very
much,
and
we'll
bring
it
back
to
the
board
at
this
point,.
B
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
so
uh,
pb
john
gerstle:.
I
think
what
we'll
do
is
have
our
public
hearing.,
I'm
not
sure
how
many
hands
are
raised,
and
following
that
we'll
take
a
break
and
come
back
and
discuss
this.
A
A
D
D
D
Paul
culnan:
ground-source.
he
pumps
paul
culnan:
that
would
serve
the
whole
area.
D
Paul
culnan:
ah,,
another
concern..
I
mean
this
being
a
business
park,.
You
know,
with
big
buildings,
big
parking,
lots,
little
strips
of
grass
in
between
their
heat
islands
and
their
biological
deserts.,
and
you
know
we're
not
going
to
turn
this
back
into
wilderness..
I
understand
that.,
but
whatever
can
be
done.
D
paul
culnan:
and,
paul
culnan:
sir,,
paul
culnan:,
that's
uh.,
paul
culnan:.
That's
what
I've
come
up
with.!
I
I
have
a
lot
more
questions,
and
I
have
answers..
You
know
the
psd
thing
really
puzzles
me..
I
I
think
what
I
from
what
I
understand,
the
developer
establishes
tv
to
maintain
property
values,.
D
C
C
C
C
C
Lynn,
segal:
or
why
isn't
the
city,
requiring
you
to
be
one
hundred
percent
gasping
on
these
buildings
and
just
put
up
piles
and
piles
of
solar
and
do
reactive,
energy
and
microgrids,,
and
that
kind
of
thing.
C
C
B
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
Pb,,
jorge
boone:
ah,
life
sciences,
project
really
was.
um!.
They
really
presented
it
as
a
life
sciences
project.
they
kept
within
the
fifty
five
foot
envelope
by
shrouding
the
mechanical
within
the
roof.
Structure.
eliminating
concerns
like
marx
or
chris
in
this
case.
E
E
I
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
and
I.
I
want
to
say
that
I'm
I'm.
a
little
surprised
by
the
comments
that
my
my
colleague
on
the
planning
board
just
made,
and
I'm
probably
going
to
come
at
it
from
a
different
perspective.,
but,
georgia,.
I
want
you
to
know
that
I'm
listening
to
what
you
have
to
say,
and
I'm,,
I'm
going
to
think
about
that.,
and
I
think
that
it
sounds
like
your
major.
I
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
um!,
so
I
came
into
this
really
liking
this
project..
I
think
it's
in
keeping
with
the
east
boulder
subcommittee
plan..
This
is
the
part
of
boulder
that
is
reserved
for
industrial
use.,
I'm
not
going
to
suggest
housing
here..
Maybe
some
people
were
afraid
that
I
would.
um.,
but
I
think
that
the
way
that
the
east
boulder
subcommittee
plan
looked
at
the
community
was
thoughtful
to
say..
You
know,
there's
some
areas
that
should
be
mixed
use.,
but
we
also
need
to
preserve
those
light.
Industrial
uses,,
including.
I
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
one
of
the
uses
that
was
identified
for
east
boulder
was,,
you
know,
life,
sciences,
medical,,
that
kind
of
ah,
that
kind
of
use.
and
if
you're
going
to
have,.
I
like
the
fact
that
this
is
in
the
field
development
that
they're
taking
a
parking
lot
with
a
lot
of
useless,,
underused,
overpart
area
and
and
turning
it
into
the
type
of
development
that
is
needed
in
boulder
and
and
george,.
I
understand
you're
concerned
about
it,,
not
not
not
wanting
to
be
an
office
building,.
I
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
and
I
I
hear
the
applicant-
has
thought
about
that,
and
that
they're
prepared
to,,
you
know.
come
back
at
site,
review
and
talk
about
the
kinds
of
tenants
and
uses,
and
that
it
would
not
be
primarily
office,,
which
I
think
is
a
good
thing,
and
I
think
they've
heard
that
concern
tonight..
So
I
like
that.
it's
in
phil.,
I
like
that..
You
know
it
is
in
the
part
of
town
that
is
appropriate
for
taller
buildings,
and
for
this
kind
of
use,,
and
I
really
appreciate
it.
I
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
is
through
that
community
development
money
that
that
um,,
that
impact
fee
that
would
go
towards
affordable
housing.,
so
for
me,.
That
is
a
much
easier
sell
than
if
they
try
to
make
the
argument
that
that
additional
height
is
necessary
for
their
tenants
for
their
use..
I
honestly
this
is
directed
just
generally
at
the
development
community..
I
don't
know
how
you
make
that
argument
with
a
four
story:
building.
we
have
to
have
four
stories,
and
they
have
to
be
this
tall
to
accommodate
the
the
planned
use.
I
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
so
um!,
so
I
like
the
fact
that
it
is
that
they're
planning
to
justify
their
height.
request
with
the
capital
impact
fee..
I
like
the
fact
that
they
are
trying
to
make
the
site
more
pedestrian-friendly,,
more
bicycle-friendly,
activate
the
space
with
public
art,
activate
the
space
with
some
food
trucks..
This
is
very
much
in
keeping
with
the
east
boulder
sub
community
plan,
a
concept
that
you
do
have
these
more
industrial
areas
that
then
become
more
friendly
to
people
passing
through
and
more
connected.
I
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
for
people
coming
through
the
area.,
so
in
general,
I
am
inclined
to
like
this
concept..
I
could
probably
be
persuaded
that
if
the
building
is
going
to
be
fifty
five
feet
tall
that
they
shouldn't
have
such
tall
mechanical
space
on
top
of
that,,
I
think
that
there
is
some
discussion
to
be
had
about
that.,
but
in
general
I,
like
the
concept.
G
G
G
Pb,,
sarah
silver:,
I
think
it's
inconsistent
with
one
point,
one
of
the
jobs
housing
balance.,
the
I
look,
this
up.
the
median
income
for
life.
science.
Employees
is
ninety
one
thousand
dollars
in
denver.
That
is
definitely
smack
dab
in
the
middle
of
missing
middle,,
and
I
don't
know
where
we
will
house
those
folks
when
we
also
already
have
a.
G
Pb,
sarah
silver:,
the
huge
housing
deficit.
G
G
Pb,
sarah
silver:
the
commitment,
two
point,
two,,
four
commitment
to
a
walkable
city..
As
mark
pointed
out,.
This
is
pretty
far
away
from
public
transportation,
and.
G
G
G
G
Pb,
sarah
silver:
and
then
parts
of
section
six
on
transportation.,
I'm
not
sure
that
this
project
would
actually
do
much
for
reducing
single
occupancy.
Auto
trips,,
although
I
do
appreciate
the
the
concept
of
a
food
truck
court,
so
that
folks
go
there
for
lunch
instead
of
getting
their
cars
or
going
to
whole
foods.
G
G
Pb,
sarah
silver:,
without
having
a
client.
G
G
G
G
G
A
A
Lisa
smith:
I'm
not
necessarily
posed
to
some
kind
of
a
height.
modification.,
but
I
agree
that
this
is
a
pretty
substantial
modification..
So
I'd
like
to
see
renderings
um,,
I
think
it'd
be
interesting
to
see
the
mass
of
the
building.
um,,
perhaps
broken
up
it.
Is,
and
again.
I
know
it's
very
early..
It's
just
concept,,
but
you
know
it..
It
does.
A
A
A
Lisa
smith:
for
the
height,,
I
think
one
of
the
things
I'd
be
interested
in
seeing
is
like,.
How
much
height
do
you
really
need?
for
whatever
the
use
is
going
to
be?
and
you
know,?
Could
some
of
those
app
returns
as
be
extending
up,,
but
not
the
entire
building,?
Be
that
size,
and
I'm
not
saying
that
that
would
necessarily
address
any
other
planning
board
members
concerns.,
but.
A
A
A
Lisa
smith:
specific
parts
of
the
building
that
extend
up,
and
then
other
things
that
don't,
and
it's
like
an
interesting
roof
line,,
instead
of
just
being
kind
of
this
monolithic
box
beyond
some
of
those
concerns.,
and
I
think,
you've
heard
a
lot
of
other
questions,
that'll
inform
what
comes
back.
A
A
Lisa
smith:
and
then
with
also
drilling
down
a
bit
more..
As
I
said
earlier,,
I
got
ahead
of
myself,,
just
understanding
better..
How
will
this
be
used?
and
why
is
that
height
needed?
and
how
does
that
inform
the
built
form
of
the
building?
so,
yeah,
kind,
of
the
same
as
what
I
said,
earlier.
I'm
curious
to
see
more
of
that,
and
excited
to
see
the
next
iteration,
and
we
were
giving
you.
A
J
J
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
this
building
is.
J
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
ah,
we're
pb
mark
mcintyre:,
it's
the
applicant
pb
mark
mcintyre:
did
not
do
some
of
the
creative
things
that
the
applicant
on
walnut
did
where
the
building
itself
created
some
of
the
screening
for
the
mechanicals,
et
cetera..
Now
I
realized
that
that
building
was
not
being
done
as
spec.
J
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
am
I
meeting
the
code?
uh,.
Am
I
meeting
the
levi?
pb
mark
mcintyre:
so,,
all
right.,
there's
that..
I
also
have
a
soft
spot
for
contextualizing
a
new
building
as
part
of
a
campus.
J
J
J
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
approve
this,,
then.,
okay,,
then,
and.
J
Which
is,,
which
is
a
very
called
building
pb
mark
mcintyre:,
is
massive
and
and
boxy.
J
J
J
This
team
pb
mark
mcintyre:
a
tdm
plan
that
that
blows
us
away,
and
and
that,
because
we
don't
have
a
formal,
tdm
toolkit
that
breeds
uncertainty,
and
it
breeds
flexibility.
right?.
So
okay,.
J
J
J
J
M
Pb,
ml
robles:,
very
clear.,
pb,
ml
robles:.
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
clarity
to
what
you
had
to
say
in,
as
insofar
as
how
one
might
position
themselves
relative
to
this
project,
and
also
because
you
added
in
that
monetary
component.
M
M
M
M
M
Pb,
ml
robles:
replacing
asphalt
with
the
building.
M
M
M
M
M
Pb,
ml
robles:,
I
think
that
pb,
ml
robles:,
this
pb,
ml
robles:
pb,
ml
robles:,
the
big
idea,,
for
let
me
take
a
little
drink,
here.
M
M
M
M
M
M
B
B
B
B
Pb
john
gerstle:,
ah,
so
far,
and
that
ah!
one
could
easily
suspect
that
this
is
new
offices
being
slipped
in
under
the
guise
of
laboratory
space..
Given
that.
B
B
Pb
john
gerstle:
about
the
pb
john
gerstle:,
approving
a
height
the
height
that
is
described
here,
and
that
is,.
I
think
it
was
lisa
who
made
the
point
that
if
we
look
at
all
the
other
buildings
in
the
vicinity,.
B
B
I
I
K
K
Hella
pannewig,
cao:
that
are
going
to
have
to
be
made
one..
You
have
to
be
one
of
those
six
criteria
that
we
spoke
about
earlier,
and
one
of
them
could
be
providing
community
benefits
which
can
be
done
through
paying
a
higher
advantage.
fee,
however,.
There
also
has
to
be
a
finding
that
the
building.
K
I
I
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
and
and
meet
one
of
those
criteria
which
could
be
providing
community
benefit.
That's
one
pathway..
They
could
also
choose
the
other
pathway
of
saying
that
they
need
the
height
for
the
planned
use,,
but
it
sounds
like
that
is
not
the
pathway
that
they
are
intending
to
go
down
according
to
danica,.
J
J
J
J
H
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
you
bet.
thanks
for
the
question.
mark
um,.
So
there
are
instances
where
design
advisory
board
is
a
requirement,.
This
isn't
one
of
those
instances.,
but
the
board
does
maintain
a
referral
authority
under
two
three
hundred
and
eighteen
subsection
email
to
refer
projects
to
the
design
advisory,
board.
J
J
E
E
E
E
E
E
Pb,
jorge
boone:
um,.
If
they
choose
to
go
that
route,
or
maybe
they
need
to
refine
their
their
market
assessment.
and
take
a
look
at
that
walnut
project,
and
look
who
they're
going
after.
as
spec
by
all
of
biosciences.
um!,
because
when
this
comes
back
I'll,
certainly
be
looking
at
that
to,.
E
I
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
I
think
george
asks
a
very
interesting
question,
and
I
I
don't
know
what
kind
of
labs
we're
talking
about..
I
assume
that
you
know
I
have.
an
acquaintance
who
does
laboratory
research
with
mice,,
and
I
assume
that
they
don't
need
very
tall
feelings
to
do
that,.
So
I
don't
know
what
what
kind
of
labs
are
are
being
talked.
About.
mice
are
very
small.
I
I
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
because
we're
talking
about
the
the
way
that
it
sounds
like
we're
talking,
about.
a
difference
of
between
fifty
five
feet
is
the
cutoff
and
seventy
one
feet,.
But
that's
seventy.
one
feet
is
mechanical,,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
ah!.
What
is
the
comparison?,
if
that
is
one
of
our
criteria,
that
we're
supposed
to
be
looking
at
is
compatibility
with
the
surrounding
area?.
H
F
B
B
B
B
B
Pb
john
gerstle:
okay,
pb,,
sarah
silver:
sarah,.
I
thought
I
had
written
this
stuff,
my
notes
down
before,,
but
I
like,
I
said,.
I
did
a
quick
research
into
the
environmental
impacts
of
life
sciences.
and
I
just
this
is
added
point
to
staff..
I
know
there
are
federal
regulations,,
but
I
think
it's
valuable
for.
G
G
G
Pb,
sarah
silver:
ah,
according
to
a
little
bit
of
searching,.
I
did
I
all
part
of
on
the
waste
product
that
comes
out
of
generically
life
sciences.
and
since
this
is
clearly
the
as
laura
said,,
the
next
big
wave
that's
coming
in
the
boulder,,
it
would
be
really
valuable
to
understand
what
it
is.
We're
dealing,
with.
B
B
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
yeah,,
um,,
all
right,,
let's,
let's
do
that.
and
actually,
john,.
If
I
can
interrupt
typically,,
we
ask
for
a
motion.
um,
when
we're
the
board
is
exercising
its
authority
to
refer
something
to
our
design
advisory
board..
So
if
we
could
phrase
it
in
the
form
of
emotional,,
I
think,.
G
B
G
A
J
J
J
I
I
I
E
E
M
M
M
M
Pb,
ml
robles:
considerations,
pb,
ml,
robles:
tape,
form.,
and
I
think
that
that
happens
in
the
architects
designs
to
me,,
not
in
trying
to
go
forward.
I
I
G
G
G
G
G
B
J
B
B
Pb
john
gerstle:,
that
needs
need
some
basis
from
which,.
B
B
B
G
G
G
A
A
Lisa
smith:
personally,
I'm:
yeah,
prepared
to
approve
it..
I
I
just
I.
it's
just
so
amazing,
I
think,
what
georgie
and
ml.
said.
it's
just
correct.,
I'm
not
at
all
opposed
to
death,
reviewing
it
as
something.,
but
I
don't
know
what
I'm
sending
to
them..
I
don't
know
why
I'm
sending
it
to
them..
I
don't
know.
A
A
A
G
G
G
J
J
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
refer
to
that
can
make.
J
J
I
I
I
They
do
care
about
intensity
and
massing,
and
the
public
interface
with
the
streets
and
all
the
kinds
of
things
that
we
care
about,
and
they
do
it
professionally.,
so
you
know.,
but
I
guess
that's
why
I
would
be
supportive
of
sending
it
to
them
earlier,
so
that
they
can
make
an
impact
on
the
kinds
of
things
that
we
have
brought
up
tonight
as
concerns
for
us.,
but
again,.
If
folks
are
not
comfortable
with
that,
approach.
I
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
if
you
feel
like
you,
need
something
more
cooks
before
you
send
it
to
deb.,
but
but
maybe
we
could
get
some
input
from
dab
on
how
they
feel
like
it..
It
sounds
to
me
like
they
are
asking
to
have
more
projects
referred
from
planning
board
to
deb,,
and
I
guess
I
would
like
more
information
on
how
they
think
they
can
be
helpful.
S
S
B
B
J
J
I
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
but
if
we
say
we
send
it
to
them,
brad
mueller,
cob:,
we
don't
have
to
send
them
the
concept
review
package
that
we
saw
tonight.,
we're
saying
when
you're
ready
with
your
site
review
package,.
Please
take
it
to
dad
first
and
then
make
any
changes
based
on
dab's
input
and
then
bring
it
back
to
us..
Is
that
is
that,.
I
B
B
B
E
E
Pb,
jorge
boone:,
I
I'd
like
to.
I'd
like
to
see
this
in
sight
review
before
we
spend
dad's
time
on
it,
because
I
I
am
concerned
that
they
go
through
the
process,
and
and
by
dad
commenting
on
it,.
It
almost
becomes
a
little
bit
of
a
passive
approval
of
a
of
a
snowballing
effect
of
a
process
that
we
have
no
agreement
on
right.
Now.
E
B
A
A
E
J
J
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
you
know.,
typically
it's..
It's
rare
that
we
see.
and
and
thanks
for
the
question.
mark
um!,
it's
rare
that
we
see
more
than
one
concept
plan,,
but
it
has
happened.
um!
I'll,
be
at
redder..
There
have
been
times
where
an
applicant
team
has
wanted.
To.
you
know.
kind
of
test
the
waters
on
it.,
a
more
of
a.
A
Lisa
smith:
charles
correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong.,
but
maybe
this
was
actually
a
site
for
me,,
though
I
think
I
think
also
an
applicant.
um,,
and
this
doesn't
apply
tonight
for
this
applicant..
So
don't
worry
this
isn't
about
you,,
but
an
applicant
can
kind
of
choose
to
withdraw
as
well
can
kind
of
say.
You
know
what
we're.
we're
hearing
enough,.
A
A
H
Cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
if
they're
located
within
the
sphere
of
influence
of
the
downtown
design?
guidelines,
that,
for
example,,
would
require
a
trip
to
down.
G
B
B
B
E
B
Pb
john
gerstle:,
I
would
invite
them
to
come
with
another
concept
review
after
they've
reconsidered
the
project.
ah!
in
light
of
our
comments..
I
think
that
might
be
very
productive
for
them
and
for
the
city
as
well.
S
M
N
A
A
Cob,
amanda
cusworth:,
but
we
will
just
solidify
the
timeframe
on
october
third.
B
Pb
john
gerstle:,
sarah
and
I
will
be
attending
city
council
meeting
on
thursday
evening,,
where
they're
having
a
study
session
on
the
revised
code
and.
B
B
I
A
Cob,
amanda
cusworth:
once
I'm,
thinking
of
something
completely
different.