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They
would
be
considered
well,
thanks
for
the
question,
mark..
It
would
be
considered
fee
symbol
subsequent
to
the
subdivision,,
so
they
could
be
marketed
individually..
Maybe
it's
just
a
point
of
curiosity,
and
it
doesn't
late,,
but
is
the
purpose
of
separating
these
units
to
make
them
potentially
for
sale
as
separate
lots?
Oh,
mark!
go
ahead!.
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So
they're
gonna
put
a
polyethylene
kind
of
more
flexible
pipe
of
upgrade
to
reroute
the
sewer
while
they
blind
the
pipe
in
place,.
So
there
there
won't
be
any
dredging
or
trenching
or
digging
it
up.
It's
so
will
that
be
done
by
dredging
and
back
filling,
or
or
what's
the
technique
that
will
be
used
to
lay
that
pipe
through
the
pond.
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Is
this:?
Is
it
okay
to
continue
to
ask
questions
of
the
apple,
and
so
forth,
after
the
public
hearing?,
the
applicant
and
staff
know
of
our
general
thoughts
on
the
concepts
being
presented?
Tonight,
and
staff
will
have
a
several
will
be
drawing
our
attention
to
several
specific
issues
in
which
they'd,
like
her
response
and
and
those
will
become
apparent
in
the
course
of
the
presentation
mark.
I
see
your
hand
as
it.
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Shirley
talks
about
the
what
does
that
map
land,
use?,
map,,
designation
change,
look
like
and
so,
looking
at
the
uses
on
the
site
in
relation
to
like
use,,
the
site
is
primarily
designated
mixed
use,
residential
in
the
comp
plan.
Yet
the
current
underlying
zoning
is
bc:
2,
it's
important
to
note:
that
feature.
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It's
a
fairly
long
and
involved
process,,
and
I
don't
know
that
planning
board
has
any
authority
to
simply
skip
over
landmarks
board
and
their
process
and
their
prerogative
with
trying
to
talk
to
the
applicants.
So
I
would
probably
encourage
the
applicant
to
to
see
if
they
can
get
that
started
because.
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it..
It
was
just
a
suggestion
by
staff,,
but
it
it's
something
that
the
applicant
could
look
at
in
terms
of,.
I
think
the
more
important
point
to
that
would
be
trying
to
break
up
the
massing
of
the
building,
and
perhaps
providing
some
variety
in
the
housing
types,
but
again,
that
was
part.
different.
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Of
course,
new.
honestly,,
I'm
sorry.,
maybe
you
know
not
condos.
yeah,
yeah,
no,,
I'm
just
trying
to
find
all
of
the
the
the
values
that
have
been
added
by
getting
the
high
variance
and
the
zoning
changed
out
to
accommodate
the
needs.
And
if,
if
the
impetus
was
that
we're
gonna
get
a
significant
amount
of
affordable
housing
out
of.
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It
informs
my
answer
regarding
the
other
questions.,
so
anyway,
as
we,
as
we
go
on
tonight,.
I
will
be
looking
at
it
from
that
perspective
of
question
number
2,
being
the
most
important
one
to,
answer
and
and
then
the
others,
are
informed
by
that,
and
so
if
anyone
else
thinks
that
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I
will
that
love.
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Review.
there's
still
kind
of
criteria
regarding
circulation
within
within
the
the
site.,
both
the
north,
south,
and
the
east
west,,
which
which
have
been
eliminated.
and
I'm
still
trying
to
understand,
staff's
logic,
in,
and
and
how
they
regard
that
elimination
of
those
connections.
Can
you
elucidate
a
bit.
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So
sarah
silver
had
submitted
a
bunch
of
comments
and
asked
that
they
be
included
in
the
record,,
and
I
think
it's
very
important
that
what
she
wrote,
you
know,
be
heard
tonight
and
she
had
questions
for
staff,.
I
don't
remember
if
she
did,
but
that
there's
an
opportunity
to
have
them
answered.
Is
there
a
plan.
sure.
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No
one's
sort
of
paraphrasing
what
her
voice,
is,
or
if
one
of
us
were
writing
something
in,
we
wouldn't
want
to
paraphrase
either,,
so
I
think
it'd
be
great
if
staff
cam.
and
I'm
happy
to
do
it.
or
if
there's
a
staff
member
that
wants
to
take
that
role
so
that
it's
a
neutral
voice
bringing
sarah's
voice
in
or
if
somebody,
else
wants
to
do
it.
That's
fine.
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And
I'm
sure
you
will
appreciate
that
that
was
a
great
summary,
so,,
as
everybody
had
suggested,
conceptually,.
It's
important
to
recognize
that
we
have
chosen
to
avoid
what
is
on
the
upper
left
hand,
corner,
which
is
a
continuous,
street
wall
which
is
really
a
normal
approach.
A
normal
approach
to
the
solution.
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We
never
looked
at
actually
building
over
the
building,
and
when
it's
a
corner
building
there
are
setback
requirements
both
on
the
south
and
on
the
west,,
and
so
that
then
eliminates
a
good
number
of
residential
units,.
So
I'm
sure
we'll
be
discussing
this
a
little
bit
later,
during
for
example,.
You
said
that
it
would
eliminate,,
I
think,
7
units.,
but
you
know,
have
you
looked
into
whether
you
could
retain
the
building
and
still
build
above
it.
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That
that
we
might
be
a
legal
question,
and
I'm
out
of
my
depth
here,,
so
I
will
yield
the
floor.
by
how
much
square
footage
you
have
in
your
unit,.
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
way
to
escape
that,
or
to
force
that
on
to
the
more
expensive
units
without
getting
into
a
fight.
oh,
okay,
yeah,
go
ahead.
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So
I'll
put
the
question
to
you
that
that
the
community,,
the
community,,
is
very
exciting,
excited
about
having
about
the
increase
in
housing,
that
this
second
proposal
with
the
the
hype
and
the
zoning
rezoning,
is,
is
bringing
2
boulder.
But
in
truth
we
are
only
getting
5.
It's
a
market
rate..
There
are
some
luxury
over
yeah,
and
anywhere
on
the
wall
that
would
be
luxury..
But
here
in
boulder
it's
market.
right.
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Okay,
okay.,
if,
if
not,,
I
suggest
we
round
robin
it
cause
like
a
like
a
page
and
a
half
thanks,
thanks
for
the
presentation.
guys.
quick
kind
of
expansion
on
laura's
questions
around
parking.,
so
you
have
a
101
units,
160
parking
spaces..
Can
you
get
us
a
little
bit
more.?
You
said
you
need
some
parking
spaces
for
commercial.
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So
if
someone
wants
to
try
and
re-explain
that
to
me,,
I'm
I'm
happy
to
start
digging
through
the
covid
can
can.
can.
someone
can
can
someone
from
staff
elaborate
on
that
so
yeah,
that
that
would
be
great,
cause?
I
I'd
certainly
like
to
dig
in
into
that
a
little
bit
more
with
the
applicant,,
because
we're
talking
a
lot
about
you,
know,
project
costs
and
concrete.
buildings,
and
I
understand,
no
matter
what
this
is,
gonna
be
a
conquering
steel
building..
I
get
that
for
for
sale,
condos..
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I
understand
what
you're
up
against
as
far
as
the
law
goes.,
I'm
just
I'm
curious
around
this.
This
excess
capacity
and
parking,-
and
you
know
if
that,
if
that,
if
that
was
to
be
removed
from
the
project,,
what
that
would
free
up
from
both
a
setback
standpoint,
for
champering
the
edges
from
from
doing
a
bunch
of
other
things
to
to
to
help
help
the
project
massing
and
scale,
and
still
maintain
the
units,
etc.
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So
as
kella
said,
floor
area
used
for
off
street
parking
and
circulation,
that's
above
grade
and
provided
entirely
within
the
structure,
isn't
counted,
and
I
think
the
urban
design
intent
behind
that
is
really
to
encourage
structured
parking.
So
you
know,,
ultimately
parking
can
from
the
standpoint
of
that
he
needs
this
parking
in
order
to
get
the
interior
square
footage
of
these
asking
for?
or
is
that
something
in
the
discretion
of
this
city,
and
in
the
planning,
board,,
etc.,,
okay,
and
so,?
And
so
the
bonus
square
pushes
is
that
ali
would
is
talking
about.
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But
I
appreciate
the
the
comments.-
I
guess
you
know
at
to
ml's
point.
right.
and
to
the
other
point
to
consider
is
that
you
know,?
If
you
don't,
provide
those
parking
spaces,,
then
what
happens
is
that
they,,
the
residents,
will
overwhelm
the
neighboring
streets
with
their
cars
more
than
they
are
already.
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Yeah,
you're
rewarding
those
I
want
to
behave..
You
reward
those
that
want
to
show
up
with
one
car
or
no
car,,
and
you
charge
more
for
those
that
can,
afford
and
want
to
have
2
cars
and
and
it,
and,
to
some
degree
it
addresses
the
the
whole
question
about
about
parking
is:
is
your
asking
people
to
fairly
pay
for
their
parking.
Q
What
we
have
talked
about
actually
is
that,
however,
number
parking
spaces,
we
have,
and
even
bike
parking
that
they're
all
going
to
be
set
up
so
that
they
can
be
easily
electrified
in
the
future.
in
others,
will
pull
conduits
to
where
they
need
to
be
so
that
just
stations
etc.
can
be
added
easily
without
time
to
tear
up
the
is,
is
what
I'
okay,
do
you
have
you
taken
into
account
the
ability
to
electrify,
most
or
all,
of
the
parking.
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I
think
that
the
design
is
pretty
simple..
It
doesn't
have
the
fashion,
the
the
components
that
let
that
layer
of
fashion
that
you
see
in
a
lot
of
projects,,
new
projects,
in
town
or
in
other
parts
of
the
country,
for
that
matter,.
So
we
will
persevere
and
make
sure
that
this
building
endures
over
effectively,
and
have
a
design
that
doesn't
that
age
as
well?
and
and
doesn't,
you
know,
make
us
feel
better
at
some
date,
and
the
future.
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O
But
panelization
works
well
when
you
have
a
lot
of
repetition,,
we
have
a
lot
of
diversity
in
this
building
in
terms
of
units,
in
terms
of
the
the
materials
on
the
outside
the
building,
the
ins
and
outs
that
begin
to
fragmented
horizontally
and
vertically
thank
you.
john..
I
just
have
one
question:
following
up
on
the
construction
strategy,,
that
moving
from
the
original
plan
to
this
plan.,
have
you
considered
panelization
or
some
alternative
to
stealing
coffee?
ml.
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It
was
part
of
my
career,
and
also
my
passion.,
so
I
do
appreciate
the
housing
that
is
going
to
be
provided,,
and
I
think
that
it
is
very
important,,
as
you
guys,
know,,
to
have
housing,,
because
it
does
affordable
housing
because
it
does
really
affect
and
the
people's
lives
who
do
not
have
that
much
money.
It's
a.
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So
I
am
so
excited
to
hear
about
about
the
discussion
and
the
questions
raised
by
the
planning
board,,
the
timeless
way
of
building
in
your
questions,
scrutinizing,
parking,.
Talking
about
the
importance
of
affordable
housing,-
and
I
just
I
wanna-
come
in
at
first
that
if
you
feel
like
you're
getting.
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Heartburn
about
historic
preservation
and
the
mecca
building.,
you
should
take
a
look
at
the
consultants,
report,
and
points
out
that
the
mecca
building
would
not
qualify
for
historic
preservation
status
under
either
our
state
or
the
federal
regulations,,
but
only
only
under
our
local
ones.
Getting
to
my
point,
I
want
to
say
that
this
concept
plan
makes
a
leap
forward,
delivering
more.
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Sure
I
I
just
think
in
general,
that
when
a
board
member
wants
to
be
heard
on
something
that
we
should
make
an
effort
to
hear
that
board
member,.
So
I
really
appreciated
that
sarah
took
the
time,,
even
though
she's
traveling,
internationally.
She
could
not
call
into
this
meeting,
because
they
would
have
started
at.
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5,
quote
the
land
or
its
surrounding
environs,
has
changed,
or
is
changing
to
such
a
degree
that
it
is
in
the
public
interest
to
encourage
redevelopment
of
the
area
or
to
recognize
the
changed
character
of
the
area.
End
quote
or
criterion
6
quote
proposed
rezoning
is
necessary
to
provide
land
for
a.
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It
is
really
important
that
we
balance
the
opportunity
for
housing
with
the
need
for
attractive
building
design
that
pits
well
with
the
area.
When
the
applicant
returns
to
site,
review,,
I
will
be
looking
for
a
design
with
far
better
transitions,,
especially
to
the
north
and
west,
and
that
concludes
sarah's
written
comments.
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Because
it
reads
that
you
would
rezone,
should
the
land
or
its
surrounding
environment
has
changed,
or
is
changing
to
such
a
degree
that
it
is
in
the
public
interest
to
encourage
a
redevelopment
of
the
area
or
recognize
the
change
character
of
the
area.
And
so
when
I
look
at
yeah,
so,,
I
think
this.
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As
it
goes
through
landmarks
board,,
and
if
they
decide
that
they
want
to
recommend,
recommend
landmarking
over
the
objection
of
the
applicant,,
then
it
goes
to
city,
council
and
it
really
doesn't,
have
anything
to
do
with
us.
The
only
decision
that
we
have
to
make,
is
whether
we
feel
strongly
enough.
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Very
respectful,
vigorous,
disagreements.,
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
height,
mass
and
scale
of
the
proposed
buildings
that
they
have
done
everything
they
have
already
done,
everything,
in
my
opinion,
or
most
of
everything
that
would
be
suggested.
The
types
of
things
that
charles
suggested,,
like
having
relief,
from
the
mass
of
having
things
set
back
having.
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They
could
have
come
to
us
with
a
huge,
blocky
building
design,
with
one
straight
wall,
like
they
said,,
and
what
we
would
have
recommended
is
the
stuff
that
they
have
already
built
in.
So
by
doing
the
right
thing
right
by
not
kind
of
trying
to
play
us
and
give
us
a
horrible
design
so
that
we
can
ship
away
at.
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zoning
that's
already
being
up
zone.
here
I
I
think
we
need
to
take
that
into
account,
and
not
necessarily
stretch
too
far
beyond
that.
when
we
talked
about
this
on
planning
board
and-
and
actually
city
council
talked
about
it
too,.
As
regards
to
some
of
those
things
they
talked
about,
I
think
I
think
it
was
the
a
lot,
of
people.
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you
know,,
I
use
that..
I
use
that
spruce
to
bike
all
the
time,,
and
I
can
imagine
that,
with
this
building
and
with
other
development
around
this
area,,
it's
only
gonna
get
busier
and
the
opportunity
is
now
to
program
that
into
the
site,
before
something
like
this
gets
built.
So
it,
gets
incorporated
into
wouldn't
been
interested
in
the
permeability
of
big
sites,
of
which
this
is,
one.
and
what
is
being
proposed
has
0.
permeability
to
the
public.
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It,
you
know.,
some
of
it,
of
course,
depends
on
how,
in
depth
of
a
discussion,,
or
you
know
whether
it
is
just
an
overview,
or
whether
you
want
to
have
discussion
around
that.
Just
as
a
point
of
clarification,.
How
my
understanding,
is
that
there
would
have
to
be
an
actual,
vote,
though,
for
correct.
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obviously,.
If
there's
a
backup,,
we
find
them,,
but
we
also
do
some
routine
inspections
of
restaurants,,
and
so
we
actually
have
a
list
of
grease
producing
restaurants
and
we
hope,
to
be
a
little
bit
more
methodical.
We
kind
of
paused
on
a
lot
of
those
efforts
during
it's
causing
us
problems.
and
backward
up.
The
upstream.
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proposing.
so
just
as
a
clarification
when,
when
macon
described
it,,
he
said
he
gave
an
example
of
1,
6,000
square
foot,
home,
and
then
divided
into
4
units,,
and
it
would
cost
4
times
as
much
because
you
would
be
charged
the
same
price
per
unit.
The
changes
that
staff
are.
You
know
that
you're.
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To
look
at
best
practices,
and
look
at
how
we
calculate
kashelu
sort
of
across
the
board,
because
of
this
a
bit
antiquated
it
in
how
we
calculate
it
and-
and
definitely
I
think
there
are
some
good
ideas
out
there
for
other
ways
to
do
it.
But
but
but
in
particular
we
does
that
make
sense?.
That
question.
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And
I
think
in
a
concept
plan
for
the
applicant.,
the
applicant
wants
to
hear
from
as
many
board
members
the
staff
can
can,
because
it
influences
how
how
they
designed
the
project
moving
forward.
So
I
think
that
happens.
You
know
they
didn't
make
an
objection
to
how
this
was
done,
but
I
think
her
comments,
are?,
are
we
legit
at
the
moment,
makes
good
sense.
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oh!
describing
the
different
attitudes
of
board
members
on
various
issues,
and
to
what
degree
people
would
be
able
to
provide
their
individual
opinions
on
various
issues,
and
to
what
degree
the
board
would
function
as
a
group,
on
various
issues,.
And
so
so
that's
what
I'm
referring
to
and
I
think.
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would
characterize
it
is
the
the
motion
making
process,
and
if
we
need
plan
to
break
down
motions
into
deeper
slices,
or
if
we're
doing
what
we've
done
in
the
past,
just
a
single
motion
and
with
commentary
or
some
other
process
along
with
that
to
make
sure
that
people's
voices
are
heard.
Oh,,
okay,,
okay.