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david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
and
we
have
I
see,
here,
david
lowery,
whose
battalion
chief
good
bowler
fire
with
fire
department,.
We
have
brian
oliver
who's
the
wild
land
battalion
chief
and
you
can
correct
me
if
I
get
any
of
your
titles
wrong,
and
then
I
will
burchfield,
whose
chief
building
official
city
so.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
we
so
much
looking
forward
to
hearing
from
you
and
I'm
actually
lisa
smith
was
kind
enough
to
kind
of
come
up
with
the
idea
of
of
inviting
you
also
lisa.
If
you
want
to
say
a
few
words
and
then
we'll
hand
it
over
to
our
guests
and
open
it
up,
for,
however,,
you
want
to
do
the
q&a.
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Pb,
lisa
smith:
yes,-
this
is
david
just
said:
it's
my
fault
that
you're
here
and
so
thank
you
so
much
for
giving
up
your
time.
Tonight.
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lisa
smith:,
and
if
it
had
been
to
the
west,,
we
would
have
gone.
You
know,
and
there
are
people
wonderful
neighbors
who
have
juniper
planted
you
know,
on
their
patios.
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Pb,
lisa
smith:
up
against
their
houses,,
so
you
know,.
I
think
that
there's
also
some
things
that
are
maybe
less
expensive,
less
intensive
that
have
to
do
with
landscaping
and
then
and
just
mitigation
that
way,
so
hopefully
that
wasn't
too
all
over
the
place
and
we're
excited
to
hear
from
you
guys.
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david
lowrey
colorado:,
who
was
a
lot
lisa?
So
I
like
to
pick
the
easy
stuff
out
first,
and
so
I'm
going
to
jump
back
to
our
roofing
ordinance.
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David
lowrey,
colorado:
may,,
maybe
not
needs
to
be
roofing,
because
you
know
we're
talking
about
the
members
that
fall
on
and
stay
on
and
not
come
off
so
that
that
that
is
the
distinction,.
So
the
good
news
is
that
in
the
city
of
boulder
every
home
in
every
structure
right,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
home.
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lowrey
colorado:
the
building
structures
that
we've
identified
in
that
interface
zone
right
and
so
that's
kind
of
the
key
component
component,
and
I
know
that
that
was
one
of
the
questions
that
lisa
had
asked
is
like.
We
have
identified
an
interface
we've
had
an
identified
prior
to
even
adopting.
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David
lowrey
colorado:,
and
then
we
classify
that
you're
in
a
three,
which
is
the
least
or
you're
in
a
one
which
is
the
most
and,
quite
frankly,.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
ones
in
our
community,.
We
we
could
look
at
it
and
kind
of
think
we
do,,
but
the
fact
that
we
have
streets
and
hydrants
and
street
signs
really.
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lisa
smith:.
So
would
that
then
I'm
not
catch,
for
example,
if
you're
replacing
not
not
on
the
rooms,,
I
understand
the
rules,
specifically,,
but
if
you're
replacing
a
wood
deck
within
the
ui
and
not
pulling
a
permit
because
you're
just
replacing
an
existing
feature
or
replacing
a
window,
perhaps.
I
David
lowrey
colorado:,
what.
cob,,
will
birchfield:
if,
if
somebody
does
work
without
a
permit,-
and
I
believe
hell
is
here
I'll-
let
her
address
this,,
but
it's
my
opinion
that
they
have
no
legal
standing
with
that.
With
that
improvement
that,
if
we
find
out
about
it,
they'll,
have
to
take
it
down
and
build
it
to
code.
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Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city
attorney:,
so
I
wanted
to
point
that
out
to
so
there's
probably
nothing
that
there
is
no
similar
requirement
to.
We
have
for
the
word
shingles,
but
if
somebody
would
come
in
to
replace
that
there,
because
it's
reached
the
end
of
its
life,
and
they
would
have
to
comply
with
the
new
code.
Requirements.
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David
lowrey
colorado:
good,
to
see
you
again,
john,
you
probably
didn't
think
I
didn't
recognize
you,
but
you
were.
I
was
on
an
hoa
meeting
with
john
few
weeks
ago
and
oh,.
This
is
weird.
You
know
how
weird
things
happen.
People
is
this
is,.
This
is
the
second
time
I've
had
this
question
today.
Actually.
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David
lowrey
colorado:,
we
would
recommend
trimming
this
tree
up,
not
cutting
it
down,
but
treatment
trimming
it
up,.
I
think
one
thing
is
some
education
that
we
are
working
on
and
we
are
trying
to
get
reach
more
people
at
is
that
defensible
space
does
not
mean
that
you
have
to
cut
your
trees,
down.
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David
lowrey
colorado:,
it's
just
something
written
that
we're
not
doing,
and
we
didn't
want
that,
and
then
just
the
tolerance
in
our
community
and
how
we
thought-
and
we
had
planned
at
that
time-
that
to
education
on
wild
land
and
what
defensible
space
is
and
we've
been
doing
that,
over
the
years.
It's
not
easy.
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Pb,
lisa
smith:
how
much
of
the
the
know
they
weren't
for
from
the
recent
movie.
I
can't
remember
hell
if
you're
the
one
who
told
me
that
sorry,
how
I
don't
mean
to
call
you
out,
we
didn't
waver
residential
sprinklers
on
the
most
recently.
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David
lowrey
colorado:
an
irony
that
the
the
building,
I
believe,
you
know
as
far
as
sprinkler
wise
was
was
was
up
to
code
was
put
in
in
1984,
so
certainly
certainly
met
that
in
sprinklers
aren't
required
on
the
exterior
of
those
types
of
buildings,.
When
I,
when
I
look
at
the
most
recently
published.
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lowrey,
colorado:
and
I,-
and
I
am
serious-
your
predecessors
in
the
planning
board-
were
fantastic
and
supporting
the
sprinklers
back
then,.
We
did
not
adopt
the
2009
code.
I
would
tell
you
that
we
went
from
the
2006
to
2012,
so
when
we
did
start
adopting
the
2012,
which
is
basically
in
2013,
I
mean
like
that.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
now
I'd
like
maybe
hella,
could
help
us
with
this,,
but
I'm
we
did.
Some
planning
board
see
all
proposed
changes
to
title
10
in
the
land
use
code
or
in
the
mini
code
or
is
that.
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Pb,
lisa
smith::
what
can
we
do
to
support
you,?
You
know
and
not
get
in
your
way.
You
know
if
you,
if
you
don't
know
if
I
have
to
answer
right
now,,
but
you
know
if
there's
sort
of
a
wish
list
of
like.
Please
don't
do
this,
you
know,,
but
it
sure
would
be
nice.
If
someone
would
take
this
up,.
You
know.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:,
yeah,
there's
so
much
of
our
safety
that
we
owe
it
to
you
all
and-
and
it's
always
heartening,
to
know
that
a
lot
of
this
building
good
stuff
just
happens
kind
of
because
it's
there
and
we
we
can
focus
on
other
things,
and
so
this,.
This
has
been
very
educational,
so
thanks
again.
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Pb,
lisa
smith:,
I
don't
know
some
of
that
gets
kind
of
interesting
at
the
state.
Level,
like,
I
know,
one
of
the
reasons
we
can't
it's
not
the
same
thing,,
but
when
the
reasons
we
can't.
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Cob,
shabnam
bista:
sure
I
actually
have
not
taken
up
closer
look
at
the
open
space
for
those
projects
and
charles
do
you
have
any.
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L
Pb,
sarah
silver:
okay,
then,,
my
question
is
moot
and
my
second
question
is
actually
just
a
do.
You
happen
to
know
what
percentage
of
cs
students
actually
commute
into
town,,
because
the
argument
being
made
here
is
this:
will
alleviate
or
help
to
alleviate
in
commuting
and
reduce
pressure
on
housing.
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Pb,
sarah
silver:,
that
would
be
very
helpful,
thank
you.
cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
mm.
Let
me
see
what
I
can
do.
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Cob,
shabnam
bista:,
so
I
did
take
a
look
at
that
email
that
came
in
with
the
comments
and.
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Cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
alleviate
some
of
the
mass
I'm
in
neighboring
property,.
I
think
we
have
site
review
criteria
that
can
help
support
that
conversation,
and
maybe
the
applicant
could
speak
to
how
they're
treating
the
building
on
the
downward
side
of
the
slope
as
part
of
their
presentation.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:
and
showing
them,.
I
can
ask
the
applicant
this
too,
as
well,,
but
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
flexibility
on
location
of
the
rooftop
deck.
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pb,,
sarah
silver:,
I'm
sorry
ages,
catching
up
with
me,
the
the
width
of
the
courtyard
I
mean
I
realized
again,.
This
is
just
a
drawing,
but
it
looks
like
a
very,,
very
narrow,
space.
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Erik
hartronft
applicant:
some
minor
additions
and
renovations
and
trying
to
keep
the
buildings
going
and
it's,
to
the
point
where
they
really
need
to
kind
of
fish
or
cut
bait
with
the
buildings
that
are
there,
because
they
do
need
some
work,,
and
so
this
proposal
has
evolved.
We've
had
preamp
with.
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Erik
hartronft
applicant:
from
once
you
get
up
to
that
area,
if
you
snuggle
it
up
against
this
building
and
you
pretty
much
cut
off
all
the
views
from
the
deck,
and
you
also
start
to
get
shading
from
this
building,.
And
so
we
really
like
to
take
advantage
of
the
of
the
sun
and
just
the
ambiance
of
you,
know.
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Q
erik
hartronft
applicant:
that
northeast
corner
and
then
these
are
those
private
decks
and
then
up
on
to
the
main,
roof
deck
and
roof
garden,
and
again,
with
an
exit.
This
way
exit
this
way
or
because
of
the
height
we
weren't
able
to
bring
the
elevator
all
the
way
up
to
service
this,
so
we're
trying
to
figure
out.
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Erik
hartronft
applicant:
again,
this
is
concept
review
and
I
think,,
as
we
go
forward,
will
have
some
different
angles
and
views
and
renderings
that
are
going
to
be
a
lot
more
detailed.
So
hopefully,
the
things
that
we
do,
and
the
things
that
we
talked
about
today
will
be
a
lot
more
evident
as
we
move
forward.
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Q
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L
Pb,
sarah
silver:
in
the
what
else
is
not
what's
there
right
now
but
and
the
buildings
that
are
to
the
to
the
east
and
west,?
What
would
that
connects
to
would
that?
Would
that
be
an
enclosed
space,?
Would
it
be
a
terrorist
space?
I'm
just
it's
very.
Is
it
narrow,?
Is
it
wide
like
it's
a
little
unclear.
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Pb,,
jorge
boone:,
I
am
curious
on
the
open
space
relative
to
that
sort
of
deep
narrow.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
so
one
I
guess,
we're.
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A
A
A
A
A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
to
30%
of
the
site
is
the
proposed
open
space,
appropriate
design,
character
and
usability
for
primary
users
on
the
site
is
required
per
the
site.
Review
criteria,
and
I
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
comments
on
on
the
courtyard,,
but
we
can
continue
to
burn
around
that
sarah.
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A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:
well,.
We
could
talk
about
that
now,
the
one
to
one
thing
that
you
know:
I've
been
the
liaison
to
that
this
year
and
they've
had
a
number
of
cancel
meetings,
so
I
felt
like
they
haven't,
had
the
over
load
that
we've
had.
So
that's
one
thing
that
made
me
think
it
might
not
be
quite
so:
impactful.
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A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:.
I
think
we
we
have.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:
and
then
we've
been
kind
of
wanting
to
do
a
walking
tour.
So
that's
the
thing
and
then
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
bring
up
as
a
board
matter
is,,
and
this
is
me,
I
guess,.
This
is
for
you
to,,
as
we
have
talked
about
the
apa
conference
in
san
diego
april
30
through
may
3.
B
Cob,
cindy
spence:,
I
am
accepting
we
can
take
to
people.
I
know
that
I
think
the
last
time
we
did
this
was
2019
and
I
think
that
sarah
and
peter
had
just
come
on,
and
they
really
wanted
to
go,
and
I'm
looks
like
I'm
wrong.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:
yeah,
I
think.
pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:.
We
should
really
give.
pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
the
opportunity,,
because
actually
for
new
members,
it's
nice
to
have
a
year,,
maybe,
and
then
then
kind
of
start
to
fill
in
gaps,
so
yeah
lisa
in
jersey,.
I
guess
you're,
the
other
two
that.
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Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city
attorney:,
look
at
it
as
the
sole
purpose
of
it
being
seeing
the
physical
layout
do
not
talk
about
proposed
development
there.
If
you
go
with
someone
else,,
not
that
person,
whether
it's
the
applicant,,
a
member
of
the
public
and
other
planning
board
member,
don't
don't
talk
about
development,
application.
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J
Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city,
attorney:
yeah,
I
think
the
I
think
the
applicant
team
reached
out
and
was
kind
of
trying
to
get
a
feel
for
how
many
of
you
were
interested,.
So
it
might
be
nice
to
get
back
to
them
as
well
or
and
if
you're,
just
fine
with
going
afterwards,
after
the
survey
because.
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Cob,
cindy
spence:
yeah,
I
kind
of
knew
where
you're
going
with
that.
So
so
here's
what
I
know
about
us
going
back
in
person,
so
resume
for
now,,
so
this,.
It
would
be
easy.
Now.
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To.
pb,
sarah
silver:
figure
out,
I
guess.
pb,
sarah
silver:.
What
we
have
to
decide
as
a
group,
or
the
city
decides
if
there's
some
small
number
of
times
that
we
could
participate
as
board
members
on
zoom
once
we
go
live
once
we
go
in
person
again
that
alleviate
the
conflict
that
I
can
see
coming
down.
The
pike.
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Pb,
lisa
smith:
five
hours,,
you
know
breathing
recirculated
air,
but
I'm
happy
to
call
in
from
home,
you
know,.
So
I
think
there's
equity
for
the
public,,
but
also
for
staff
and
for
board
members
and
for
staff,,
especially
I
mean
just
be
able
to
be
at
home
and
eat
dinner
and
wait
for
your
item.
I
mean.