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A
B
C
20:17
meeting
of
the
Boulder
Planning
Board
welcome
everybody
for
joining
us
tonight.
Our
first
order
of
business
is
approval
of
the
minutes,
which
is
super
easy
because
we
don't
have
any.
The
next
item
is
public
participation
for
matters
not
subject
to
public
hearing,
and
we
have
two
items
scheduled
for
a
public
hearing.
The
first
is
a
non-conforming
use
review
at
802,
16th
Street
and
then
the
other
is
the
Frasier.
C
C
E
E
C
Seeing
none
I
think
we
can
move
on
to
agenda
5a,
which
is
our
first
public
hearing,
which
is
a
public
hearing
and
consideration
of
a
non-conforming
use
review
for
the
addition
of
habitable
space
with
one
bedroom
in
the
attic
and
conversion
of
an
existing
recreation
room
into
a
bedroom.
With
an
existing
non-conforming
duplex
at
8:02
16th
Street
Ace
number
L,
you
are
2017
zero,
zero,
zero,
zero.
Three
thanks.
H
F
So
just
in
terms
of
process,
the
existing
duplex
is
non-conforming
as
to
density,
parking
and
use.
The
development
proposal
is
considered
an
expansion
of
a
non-conforming
use
because
they,
the
proposal,
would
add
bedrooms
and
also
floor
area
and,
just
generally,
the
non-conforming
use
for
the
criteria
are
focused
on
minimizing
adverse
impacts
to
the
surrounding
properties,
maintaining
consistency
with
surrounding
uses,
as
well
as
the
area
character
and
improving
the
appearance
of
the
property
and
decreasing
the
level
of
nonconformity
on
this
site.
F
The
review
process
provides
flexibility
for
improving,
rehabilitating
or
expanding
non-conforming
properties,
and
just
generally
can
promote
reinvestment
and
neglected
structures.
Our
properties,
so
as
part
of
the
public
process,
written
notice
was
sent
and
notice
was
also
posted
on
the
property.
Some
public
comment
was
received,
which
has
been
forwarded
to
the
board.
Generally,
the
concerns
are
a-changin
character
in
the
neighbourhood
site
conditions
and
management,
and
just
other
nuisances
and
a
member
of
the
public
called
up
the
application
for
a
hearing
on
June
1st.
F
F
F
F
Just
to
give
a
little
bit
more
context,
a
majority
of
the
properties
to
the
west
are
single-family
homes,
but
there
are
a
number
of
non-conforming
duplexes,
but
a
large
proportion
of
the
properties
to
the
east
are
developed
as
multi-family
residential
housing,
primarily
duplexes,
and
many
of
those
do
serve
as
our
student
rental
housing.
Due
to
the
proximity
to
the
university.
F
The
existing
structure
was
built
in
1939
and,
as
I
said,
it
is
non-conforming
as
to
density,
because
it
does
not
meet
the
minimum
lot
area
per
dwelling
unit
and
also
exceeds
the
maximum
number
dwelling
units
per
acre
also
parking,
because
they
have
to
conforming
off
street
parking
spaces
where
three
are
required
and
use
just
generally,
because
attached
dwellings
are
not
allowed
in
the
RL
1
zone
district.
It's
unclear
from
city
records
how
the
duplex
was
established
in
the
approved
number
of
bedrooms.
F
The
resulting
duplex
would
have
two
three-bedroom
units
and,
as
part
of
the
proposal,
several
site
improvements
are
proposed
to
meet
the
review
criteria.
The
first
would
be
updating
the
landscape
to
exceed
the
code
requirements.
Their
proposal
includes
the
addition
of
four
new
trees
and
a
hundred
and
two
new
scrubs
the
landscaping.
The
intent
of
the
landscape
plan
is
to
enhance
the
single-family
appearance
of
the
property,
and
the
proposal
also
includes
a
new
automatic
irrigation
system.
F
They
would
also
remove
the
non-conforming
parking
spaces
which
are
located
in
the
landscape
setback
in
the
right
of
way
and
provide
established,
Head
and
paved
parking
spaces
off
of
the
alley
that
meet
code
requirements.
One
space
would
still
be
provided
in
that
attached
garage
and
they
would
also
have
a
space
in
the
driveway,
which
would
be
a
total
of
four
spaces.
And,
lastly,
the
proposal
includes
a
new
trash
enclosure
with
on
a
concrete
slab
with
screening.
F
F
F
Also,
the
elimination
of
the
parking
within
the
setback
and
right-of-way
and
the
addition
of
landscaping
on
the
street
facing
portions
of
the
property
would
reduce
adverse
visual
impacts.
They're
also
just
generally
increasing
the
number
of
parking
spaces
from
two
to
four
and
providing
a
defined
parking
area
would
help
to
alleviate
the
effects
of
the
duplex
and
also
the
long
term
and
short
term
bike
parking
and
just
in
terms
of
the
physical
appearance
of
this
site.
F
C
Thank
You
Sloan
and
just
let
folks
in
the
public
know
we'll
now
an
opportunity
for
the
board
to
ask
just
questions
of
staff
that
will
be
followed
by
presentation
by
the
applicant
if
he
or
she
would
like
to
make
one
followed
by
some
more
questions
than
an
opportunity
for
the
public
to
address
us
and
then
we'll
come
back
for
our
decision-making
before
we
get
there.
I
do
want
to
go
down
and
make
sure
nobody
has
any
disclosures
that
they
need
to
make
anybody
just.
B
K
C
C
L
This
is
a
very
attractive
3,600
square
foot,
legal,
non-conforming,
duplex
and
it
sits
on
the
northeast
corner
of
16th
and
cascade
and
appears
like
a
typical
neighborhood
family
home
that
purchased
my
home
in
June
of
2012,
it's
78
years
old.
With
for
current
bedrooms
and
a
441
square
foot,
rec
room
as
well
as
a
500
square
foot
attic
space.
L
The
maximum
occupancy
is
six
unrelated
adults.
My
family
and
I
lived
on
the
main
level
and
then
I
rented
the
second
unit
to
college
students
for
the
past
five
years.
I
know
we
know
the
hill,
but
just
just
to
be
complete
that
it's
the
primary
off-campus
housing
an
option
for
students,
and
that's
been
that
way.
Since
the
20s,
the
total
hill
population
is
now
around
28,000,
with
57%
of
Hill
residents
and
ruled
at
CU.
L
This
property
at
16th
and
cascade
crossroads
is
uniquely
sandwiched
between
a
whole
neighborhood
of
RM
to
a
medium
density
and
rh5
higher
density,
which
are
apartments.
Student
rentals
to
the
east
of
my
back
alley
and
the
cascade
street
is
a
major
corridor
for
thousands
of
students,
living
East
and
duplexes
and
apartment
buildings.
L
L
The
picture
of
this
is
taken
from
my
bedroom
window
and
I
did
use
the
a
large
rec
room
as
my
bedroom,
not
knowing
I
wasn't
allowed.
Those
are
students
sitting
on
the
roof
of
a
duplex
right
behind
me
and
that
duplex
sits
on
17th
Street,
which
is
a
very
high
police
call
area,
they're
just
outrageously
loud
over
there,
and
this
is
the
alley
between
the
the
duplex
group
and
my
home,
and
you
can
see
there's
trash
in
the
alley
there,
and
this
picture
is
taken
from
my
bedroom.
L
Looking
north,
that's
a
rental
property
right
to
the
north.
It's
a
beautiful
large
home
and
there's
also
a
rental
property,
an
Adu
rental
to
the
direct
south
of
me.
So
on
three
sides:
I
have
rental
property.
This
is
a
police
call
log
that
I
actually
conjured
up
from
the
police
department
in
Boulder
I.
Finally,
called
him
and
said:
do
you
have
this
available?
L
This
covers
two
and
a
half
years
and
shows
that
I
made
38
calls
between
I
believe
is
January
14
and
July
17
to
the
police
because
of
the
loud
noise
and
loud
parties
on
weekends,
from
the
17th,
Street,
duplex
groups
and
they're
right,
like
I,
say
in
my
backyard,
there's
the
second
page,
so
my
duplex
acts
as
a
buffer
on
this
busy
corner
and
has
no
control
over
the
hundreds
of
rowdy
student
passers-by.
There's
no
rental
creep
here.
L
The
higher
density,
duplex
student,
rentals,
just
east
of
my
alley,
have
been
well
established,
pretty
city
approval
there
have
been
and
will
be,
six
responsible
occupants
living
within
my
property.
My
own
tenants
have
had
no
noise
complaints.
Since
I
began
running
to
students.
Five
years
ago,
we
screen
and
use
a
strong
lease
and
live
nearby
to
manage
efficiently.
L
My
master
bedroom
forty-eight
years
ago,
a
prior
owner
permitted
and
built
this
21
foot
by
21-foot
recreation
room
on
the
main
floor
and
it's
the
largest
it's
up
on
the
upper
right
corner
corner
over
the
garage
and
it
has
hardwood
floors,
vaulted
ceiling,
plenty
of
windows
and
the
ambient
light
with
vines
covering
a
lot
of
the
windows.
This
was
used
by
several
owners,
including
myself,
as
the
master
bedroom.
Last
April
15
months
ago,
I
began
an
interior
remodel
to
add
a
bathroom
inside
this
room.
L
I
also
began
to
improve
and
upgrade
the
500
square
foot
attic
space,
replacing
the
original
1939
knob-and-tube
wiring.
This
is
the
original
sales
brochure
I
received
in
2012
and
I'll
close
up
on
that
yellow,
highlight
they're.
Mentioning
the
Attic
with
500
square
feet,
I
presumed
there
was
an
attic
with
500
square
feet.
L
The
dormer
on
the
top
is
the
dormer
of
one
of
the
two
that
feed
into
this
upstairs
bedroom.
This
one
faces
west,
and
this
is
a
stained-glass
window
that
I
had
commissioned
by
Boulder
stained
glass
for
a
historical
restoration
purposes.
I
had
this
installed
last
year
in
that
front,
16th,
Street
dormer.
L
This
includes
102
new,
shrubs,
8,
new
trees,
cascade
Street
hedge
and
I
did
get
a
permit
for
the
sprinkler
system.
They
started
on
the
sprinklers
this
week,
I'd
like
to
add
both
short
and
long
term
bike
parking,
I'd
like
to
change
the
address
of
802
and
sixteen
to
804
per
the
Builder
building
Department's
recommendation.
We
did
install
the
period
stained-glass
and
I'd
like
to
do
the
addition
of
a
trash,
recycle
and
compost
enclosure
with
a
pad
of
concrete.
This
is
our
current
trash
setup,
so
I
think
that
would
be
very
amenable,
quite
an
improvement.
L
This
is
the
landscape,
architect's
plans
and
they're
very
detailed,
showing
where
to
put
the
trees
and
I
can't
point
them
out,
but
on
the
south
side
there
are
four
maple
trees
and
there
are
also
four
evergreens
and
then
the
parking
has
been
moved
north
along
the
alley
and
just
south
of
that
parking
area.
You
can
see
the
short
term
bike
parking
and
then
on
the
alley
would
be
the
trash
enclosure
in
between
that
Boxton
area
is
protection
for
a
giant
tree.
That's
sitting
there
now
the
front
yard.
L
We
would
take
out
the
fitters
and
rearrange
the
that's.
That's
on
the
left
hand,
side
and
rearrange
the
garden
area
and
put
rose
bushes
cascade
Street
hedge
involves
22
of
these
clavor
funny
suckle
bushes.
If
you
know
what
they
are
parallel
along,
those
toward
the
sidewalk
are
61
bright
edge
yucca
and
it's
truly
beautiful
I
tried
to
download
a
picture
of
it,
but
it
didn't
come
out
today.
I've
had
my
sheriff's
of
vandalism.
This
is
my
Lexus
car
door.
L
It
was
kicked
in
one
Friday
night,
as
I
lived
there
and
the
next
morning,
I
drove
down
cascade
and
found
several
other
cars
with
the
same
damage
we
get.
Sprinkler
heads
kicked
off
at
least
two
a
week
and
that's
been
a
real
headache.
While
I
can't
control
actions
of
the
passerby
I
can
control
the
beautification
of
my
property
and
therefore
improve
our
neighborhood.
This
non-conforming
use
review
is
a
criteria
based
decision,
so
the
summary
of
the
criteria
for
the
non-conforming
use
review
are
as
follows.
We
have
sound
rationale.
L
This
legal
non-conforming
duplex
continues
to
provide
a
compatible
transition
between
higher
intensity
and
intensity
uses.
We
have
reasonable
compatibility
with
and
have
minimal
negative
impact
on
the
use
of
nearby
properties,
including
next-door
rentals
to
the
north,
south
and
east.
We
have
undertaken
all
reasonable
measures
to
reduce
or
alleviate
the
effects
of
nonconformity
upon
the
surrounding
area.
The
physical
appearance
of
the
property
and
the
new
landscaping
will
improve
and
the
degree
of
nonconformity
will
clearly
decrease.
I
want
to
thank
the
board
for
your
attention.
Thank.
E
L
Current
landscape
system
was
was
very
frustrating
and
we
also
ran
into
a
problem
with
Boulder
replacing
a
sidewalk,
and
they
did
that
last
summer
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
new
sidewalk
they
ripped
up
accidentally.
Of
course,
one
of
our
main
sprinkler
lines
and
that's
it
sticking
out
of
the
ground
I,
was
under
a
stop-work
order.
L
K
C
We've
got
three
folks
who
are
signed
up
right
now.
If
others
would
like
to
speak,
see
Cindy
and
she
can
get
you
signed
up.
If
I'll
call
you
your
name
come
up,
let
us
know
your
name
and
where
you
live,
and
then
you'll
have
three
minutes
to
address
the
board
and
with
that
we'll
start
with
David
Apple.
M
Welcome
good
evening
my
name
is
David
Apple
I
live
directly
west
across
the
street
at
8:05,
16th
Street,
and
have
a
few
concerns
regarding
this
property
and
what
the
owner
the
owner
is
wanting
to
do
with
the
property.
We've
lived
there
for
two
and
a
half,
almost
two
and
a
half
years
we
moved
in
to
the
diversity
of
the
hill.
We
embrace
the
diversity
we
like
the
students,
we
like
the
single-family
dwellings
and
we
invested
a
large
amount
of
money
in
this
home
and
we
want
to
stay
there,
the
rest
of
our
life.
M
What
we
don't
appreciate
is
when
someone
tries
to
skirt
the
rules
of
the
law
by
doing
modifications
to
the
inside
of
their
home
illegally
without
a
permit
until
they're
caught,
and
then
there
have
to
get
the
proper
permits
like
we
all
do.
If
we
want
to
improve
our
home.
What
we
don't
really
appreciate
is
the
condition
of
the
home
right
now
and
what
it
has
been
in
the
past.
There's
been
no
improvements
made
since
we
lived
there
other
than
until
the
past
week,
or
so
that
we've
noticed
the
fence
is
broken.
M
The
yard
is
in
disarray.
We
had
a
large
party,
fourth
of
July,
where
so-called
good
students
were
there.
It
was
loud
fireworks
all
night
went
on
all
through
the
night.
We
don't
like
to
call
the
police
a
lot.
We
have
called
the
police
a
few
times
in
the
past
couple
years.
Since
we
lived
there,
we
like
to
be
friendly
neighbors
we
like
to
give
all
the
students
the
accommodations
they
need
to
have
fun,
but
we
live
right
across
the
street
and
what
I
feel
like
is
coming
here
is
gonna,
be
more
the
same.
M
I,
don't
know
how
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
enforce
the
rules
of
the
variances.
If
we
approve
the
variances,
are
they
going
to
be
maintained?
Is
he
gonna
be
a
good
homeowner
and
make
sure
that
things
are
in
good
working
order,
I'm
kind
of
having
mixed
feelings
about
this?
If
we
don't
approve
the
variances,
does
that
mean
it
stays
as
it
is
as
another
rental
another
duplex?
That's
gonna,
be
in
disarray,
I
like
to
improve
the
neighborhood
I
like
to
improve
the
Hill
in
itself
we
invested
in
the
hill.
M
We
want
to
stay
on
the
hill.
We
just
feel
like
that.
There's
been
some
misgivings
on
how
this
was
approached
and
how
this
was
all
taking
place
until
the
neighbors
got
together
and
decided
that
we
need
to
invest
in
the
hill
and
make
sure
that
we
want
the
hill
to
be
there
and
to
be
a
good
place
to
live
forever.
I
just
don't
know
what
resources
we
have
for
this.
M
If
this
is
going
to
be
improved,
how
can
this
the
variances
make
sure
that
we
we
keep
this
up
to
snuff
and
make
sure
that
that
all
the
rules
are
are
going
to
be
followed?
Thank.
K
N
N
However,
if
you
reviewed
the
letter
from
the
homeowner
that
was
submitted
to
the
City
Council
that
didn't
that
sounded
like
a
person
who
has
given
up
in
the
neighborhood
who
has
kind
of
thrown
his
hands
up
and
said,
I
don't
want
to
live
here
anymore,
not
a
person
who
is
invested
in
beautifying.
The
neighborhood
I
mean
I
when
I
read
that
I
submit
that
letter
as
evidence
to
you
know
why
I
hesitate
to
you
know,
grant
this
this
variance,
you
know
I
I,
wonder,
can
you
can
put
some
shrubs
in?
N
But
if
the
sprinkler
heads
get
kicked
over
next
week-
and
you
didn't
maintain
it
last
year
and
you
can't
find
a
person
to
do
landscaping,
how
are
those
sprinkler
heads
going
to
be
fixed
in
two
weeks
when
they
get
kicked
over
those
shrubs
are
gonna
die
and
then
we've
granted?
This
variance?
Can
this
variance
be
revoked
if
this
property
is
not
maintained
or
once
it's
granted?
Is
it
granted
and
that's
it?
N
Everything
can
be
allowed
to
be
and
not
maintained,
since
it
hasn't
been
maintained
up
to
this
point,
I
don't
really
understand
why
it
would
be
maintained
in
the
future.
I
don't
have
a
variance
in
my
house
and
I
do
maintain
it
so
also
I,
wonder
if
the
home
is
sold
do.
Does
the
new
owner
then
need
to
comply
with
the
maintenance
of
the
landscaping
and
what
would
happen
if
the
home
is
sold?
Do
I
have
any
recourse
as
a
neighbor
to
say
you
know,
we
don't
want
that.
N
You
know
this
is
in
our
one
zone,
so
I
think
you
know
we
have
those
zones
for
a
reason.
This
is
an
r1
zone,
not
an
r2
zone,
and
if
we
keep
saying
while
you
granted
it
to
this
person-
and
this
were
since
I-
now
grant
it
to
me
in
this
zone-
it's
just
spreading
more
and
more
of
these
problems
that
have
been
brought
up
multiple
times,
but
even
by
the
owner
himself.
You
know,
I,
don't
want
more
of
those
problems
in
the
neighborhood
I
would
perfu
prefer
fewer.
C
O
Silverstein
I
live
at
805,
16th,
Street
and
I.
Guess
I
would
just
start
by
asking
all
of
you
a
question
if
you
want
to
see
homeowners
stay
in
the
hill.
If
you
want
to
see
that
as
a
mixed
use,
neighborhood
where
we
live,
yes,
it's
a
block
away
from
higher
density,
but
it's
not
higher
density.
It's
zoned
as
an
r1
and
the
owner
can
talk
about
how
well
there's
no
scope
creep
there,
but
that
is
scope
creep.
If
you
grant
a
variance
on
that,
I'd
also
say
that
we
have
a
sprinkler
system
in
our
house.
O
We
live
across
the
street,
we've
never
had
our
sprinkler
heads
kicked
and
if
we
had
a
sprinkler
head
that
was
damaged,
we
would
replace
it
immediately.
We
don't
have
trash
dune
on
our
lawn.
We
don't
have
a
dilapidated
fence,
we
don't
have
a
run-down
home
and
that's
what
that
home
looked
like
for
the
last
two
and
a
half
years
since
we've
lived
there.
So
I
can't
imagine
how
the
home
is
going
to
be
better
when
the
homeowners
attitude
in
that
letter
was,
if
you
can't
beat
them,
join
them.
O
I'm,
sick
of
the
noise,
so
I'm
just
gonna,
rent
it
out
to
students
and
let
the
rest
of
the
neighbors
be
damned
that's
exactly
what
the
message
this
is
sending
and
I
am
just
devastated
by
the
fact
that
it's
not
another
homeowner
moving
in
there
and
caring
and
loving
for
their
home.
The
way
that
we
do
and
the
way
that
the
neighbors
around
us
do
so
I,
just
you
know,
I'm
concerned
if
a
variance
would
make
it
better.
O
C
You
miss
silverstein.
Would
anyone
else
like
to
the
board
on
this
issue
this
evening,
seeing
none
I'll,
close
the
public
hearing
and
actually
maybe
start
with
a
question
to
Sloane,
Charles
or
hella
I?
Think
there
were
a
few
questions
that
the
public
had
raised,
including
what
the
recourse
would
be
if,
for
example,
the
sprinkler
system
is
not
maintained.
If
the
landscape
is
not
watered,
what
happens
if
it's
sold,
what
what
what
would
occur
if
the
board
were
to
grant
the
requested
action
tonight?
C
F
First
of
all,
I
would
say
that
the
if
it
were
approved
they
would
be
required
to
sign
a
development
agreement
which
would
transfer
to
a
title
commitment
if
they
ever
sold
the
property.
So
in
theory,
any
future
owner
would
know
that
there's
an
approval
on
their
property
that
they're
held
to
I
would
also
just
say
the
benefit
of
an
approval
like
this,
as
will
actually
have
approved
plans
that
are
very
specific
that
we
can
actually
enforce
upon.
F
H
Up
to
and
including
having
to
go
back
to
the
Planning
Board
up
to
and
including
having
their
approval
revoked
so
then
in
essence,
it
would
just
have
to
revert
back
to
a
by
Wright,
single-family
detached
home.
So
there's
enforceability
that
exists
well
beyond
just
this
owner.
It
runs
with
the
property
and.
E
H
H
E
Okay,
I
called
him
one
on
college
and
eleventh
mmm-hmm.
Do
you
remember
the
youth
hostel
that
was
approved?
I
think
Brian
was
on
the
board,
so
one
tree
died
and
one
tree
was
broken
off.
The
tree
that
was
broken
off
is
now
sprouted
out,
which
is
an
unhealthy
situation,
but
I
mean
I,
don't
think
something
like
that
would
cause
that
project
to
revert
back
to
it
right.
H
E
H
We
practice
complaint
based
enforcement.
We
don't
have
patrols
that
are
out
proactively
looking
for
violations,
although
not
to
say
that
when
our
officers
aren't
out
on
their
regular
rounds,
if
they
notice
things
they
want-
and
you
know
that
they'll
inquire
about
them,
but
yet
for
the
most
part,
it
really
is
complaint
based
enforcement,
I.
F
J
Turn
on
my
microphone,
I
I
know
that
all
three
of
the
speakers
we
heard
from
the
neighbors
mentioned,
with
granting
of
variance
but
I
just
want
to
clarify
we're,
not
really
granting
a
variance
here.
We're
allowing
an
additional
are
used
without
revoking
the
non-conforming
status
of
the
property.
Would
that
be
more
accurate?
We're
not
we're
not
really
or
are
we
are.
We
know.
H
We're
not
approving
any
variances
you're,
absolutely
right.
This
evenings
proceedings
is
to
for
the
board
to
consider,
in
effect,
the
expansion
of
a
non-conforming
use.
So
the
code
has
some
very
specific
mechanisms
that
allow
these
sorts
of
things
to
occur.
So
that's
the
action
that
the
board
would
be
conducting
this
evening,
so
not
a
variance
I'm.
J
E
F
So
the
non-conforming
use
review
criteria
basically
says
either
you're
reducing
the
degree
of
nonconformity
or
you're,
improving
the
appearance
of
this
site
or
a
building,
so
in
this
case,
they're
meeting
the
second
part
of
that
criteria
by
improving
the
appearance
and
I
think
I
said
within
the
presentation.
The
the
whole
intent
of
those
criteria
were
to
allow
these
types
of
properties
to
improve
over
time
and
to
promote
reinvestment
in
these
properties.
Peter.
E
P
You
know
it's
that
when
the
improvements
I
could
be
wrong,
though
you're
finished
so
well,
some
of
the
improvements
are
made.
Then
then
benefit
will
be
granted
to
the
non-conforming
use.
Additional
non-conforming
use
that
we'd
be
granting
would
allow
what
they
would
allow
them
to
do.
What
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
understand
that
where
they
are
now
and
where
they're
going
next
so.
F
Currently,
the
Attic
on
the
main
floor
unit
is
not
habitable
space,
it's
not
a
bedroom,
so
they
would
add
an
egress,
they'd,
add
egress
and
repeat
life
safety
standards
to
make
it
a
legitimate
bedroom
and
then
the
rec
room
that
they
have
been
using
as
a
bedroom.
Our
records
show
that
that
was
never
intended
to
be
a
bedroom
so
that
we
would
just
be
legitimizing
that
and
then
there's
a
small
part
of
the
garage
they
would
be
converting
from
parking
into
to
office
and
storage
and
I'm.
So
long-term
bike
parking
so.
P
J
Updated,
but
without
adding
any
additional
allowable
to
so
there's
all
there's
always
been
six
dwellers
maximum
in
this
property,
and
you
can't
they
would
not
be
able
to
increase
the
number.
So
yes,
there
probably
would
be
rent
increase,
but
but
I
wouldn't,
but
there
wouldn't
be
more
people
more
allowed.
People.
C
C
You
know
increasing
the
nature
of
that
in
this
neighborhood
and
pushing
it.
That
being
said,
we
have
criteria
in
the
code
and,
unfortunately,
I
think
we're
kind
of
stuck
with
those
criteria.
So
I
think
it's
my
perspective.
It
meets
those
criteria,
but
it
does
beg
questions
about
whether
we
need
to
look
at
changing
those
criteria.
I
would
either.
P
J
J
How
should
I
say
conflicts
with
my
neighbors
over
the
years,
and
you
know
the
it
is
really
stressful.
I
know
that,
but
in
this
in
this
form,
and
for
what
we're
looking
at,
it's
not
really
a
place
where
our
job
is
to
resolve.
Specific
conflicts
is
just
to
look
to
see
if
this
particular
use
is
going
to
negatively
impact
and
from
what
I've
seen
since
you
know
no
wall,
there's
no
expansion
of
the
property
that
no
additional
people
living
there
and
all
these
improvements.
Physical
improvements
are
being
promised.
J
I
can't
see
how
this
particular
use
on
the
inside
of
the
home
will
negatively
impact
the
neighbors.
So
so
the
other
side
would
just
be
a
punitive
thing
which
you
know
doesn't
really
make
sense
to
me
to
use
this.
This
process
for
punitive
purposes
and
I
do
think
that
there
will
be
net
benefits
from
having
the
parking
become
further
off
the
alleyway
from
having
the
landscaping
improved,
so
so
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
we
we
know
that,
and
it's
not
our
job.
J
We
can't
turn
it
back
into
a
single
family
or
turn
it
into
a
single
family
home.
That's
not
the
question
in
front
of
us
when
you
have
a
non-conforming
property,
it's
it's
being
allowed
for
a
reason,
because
it's
been
that
way
for
a
long
time,
and
that
would
be
a
whole
different
process
to
take
away
the
overall
non-conforming
crystal
well.
E
Thank
you.
David
I
am
NOT
going
to
vote
for
this,
because
I
do
not
find
it
meets
the
site
review
criteria
in
9,
2
15.
It's
an
rl1
neighborhood
this
by
adding
the
additional
bedrooms.
It
makes
it
more
non-conforming
in
that
rl1
neighborhood.
It
doesn't
matter
that
the
zoning
across
the
alley
is
another
zone
it's
facing.
E
In
addition,
it's
facing
a
whole
block
of
another
block
of
RM,
so
I
understand
that
that
doing
some
landscaping
is
desired
and
and
any
property
owner
should
be
maintaining
their
landscaping
quite
frankly,
but
I
think
the
size
and
operational
characteristics
by
adding
two
more
bedrooms,
not
just
one,
but
two
bedrooms
is
going
to
increase.
That
nonconformity
is.
I
I
I
I
What
we're
really
we're?
Not
talking
about
you
know
an
opportunity
to
see
a
property
go
back
to
single-family
we're
just
talking
about
whether
to
let
grooms
to
you
know
have
a
property
that
has
two
fewer
bedrooms
than
it
currently
does,
but
provides
additional
landscaping,
parking
and
other
features
as
a
sort
of
a
quid
pro
quo
under
our
non-conforming
use.
Review
standards
that
we
have
and
I
think
that
the
city
of
Boulder
is
is
very
forward-thinking
in
allowing
for
non-conformities
to
be
expanded
in
return
for
other
neighborhood
benefits,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
communities.
I
The
majority
of
communities
around
the
country
that
do
not
allow
a
non-conforming
used
to
be
expanded
at
all
for
any
reason,
and
that
can
leave
neighborhoods
stuck
with
lots
of
old
non-conforming
houses
that
aren't
being
maintained
or
improved
and
I.
Think
this
is
an
opportunity
to
see
this.
This
house
Kadem
moved
and
it
doesn't
increase
the
density
or
intensity
of
the
use
on
the
site.
I
So
I
am
going
to
support
the
the
project
and
I
I
apologize
to
to
any
folks
who
thought
I
was
cutting
things
off
by
calling
for
a
motion
prematurely,
because
because
I
do
appreciate
the
input
that
we
got
both
from
the
applicant
and
the
community,
there's
a
there's,
a
provision
in
our
code
that
allows
for
four
conditions
of
approval
to
be
applied
to
a
non-conforming
use,
review
approval
to
improve
site
design
and
and
also
to
condition
anything.
That's
included
in
the
non-conforming
use
sections
of
the
code
and
site
review.
I
And
so
if,
if
there
are
any
board
members
who
are
interested
in,
you
know
a
maintenance
condition
for
the
landscaping
or
anything
like
that.
I
would
point
that
out
that
that
that,
and
maybe
hella
can
talk
about
whether
we
do
condition
for
maintenance
or
if
it
would
simply
be
a
site
requirement
at
the
time
of
approval.
But
I
think
we
could
have
a
conversation
like
that.
H
E
Not
gonna
make
the
motion,
but
I
do
want
to
say
this
board
dear,
did
hear
another
expansion
of
a
non-conforming
youth
up
on
the
hill
and
we
did
turn
it
down.
It
was
a
situation
similar
in
the
sense
that
some
things
have
been
done
inside,
but
the
landscaping
had
been
run
down.
So
it's
used
as
a
justification
will
clean
up
the
landscaping.
E
It'll
make
neighbors
happy,
and
you
know
in
exchange
we'd
like
to
do
this
and
that
and
we
really
need
to
change
the
culture
up
in
the
hill,
where
the
landlord's
are
starting
to
be
responsible
enough,
that
they
take
care
of
their
property
and
I
understand
the
the
challenges
when
you
live
in
a
high
tree
area,
I
mean
I,
live
downtown
and
have
picked
up
cigarette
butts
and
beer
cans,
maybe
nothing
as
Extreme
as
the
hill.
But
certainly
you
know
stuff
all
over
the
place
and
and
and
changing
the
culture
which
is
what
happened
as
people.
E
People
started,
bringing
it
to
the
attention
of
downtown
and
they
helped
inform
their
their
employees.
You
know,
don't
smoke
and
throw
the
cigarette
butts
out,
etc.
But
that's
I
think
another
discussion,
but
it's
something
that
we
shouldn't
have
in
the
code.
Let
your
property
run
down
and
then
come
back
and
ask
for
more
nonconformity
and
as
a
leverage
to
get
people
to
fix
up
their
landscaping
and
the
property.
C
I
P
I
I
think
we
can
talk
to
the
staff
about
this
I
think
we
definitely
beyond
unstrung
thick
ice
to
to
require
a
maintenance
plan
as
part
of
the
conditions
of
approval.
I
don't
know
if
we
can
maintenance
but
I,
think
if
we
conditioned
a
maintenance
plan
and
they
were
to
submit
it,
then
they
would
be
holding
themselves
to
that
by
adopting.
H
G
C
G
C
G
Q
I
I
H
C
But
it
is
conceivable
I
think
that
you
would
have
a
portion
of
that,
and
so
50%
seems
like
a
reasonable
measure.
It
would
I
think
be
possible
to
get
to
100%
replacement,
especially
with
inflation,
especially
with
the
need
to
basically
rip
things
out
and
start
over
again.
If
you
let
it
go,
but
I
think
50,
percents,
probably
a
reasonable
accommodation
and
backed
off
from
that
hundred
percent.
Q
C
E
Why
they're
figuring
that
out?
It
might
be
helpful
for
us
after
this
item,
to
maybe
discuss
having
the
tour
of
some
of
these
youths
reviews
up
on
the
hill
and
seeing
what
people
have
done.
Have
it
hasn't
been
maintained,
etc?
Is
it
less
compatible
with
the
neighborhood
as
it
was
before,
or
has
it
been
made
more
compatible.
R
R
C
I
G
I
think
we've
we've
determined
that
med
staff
actually
sometimes
already
does
impose
financial
guarantees
to
ensure
proper
implementation
of
landscaping
plans,
and
it's
typically
done
for
a
period
of
two
or
three
years,
and
it's
sometimes
extended
if
the
landscaping
has
not
been
properly
established.
But
I
also
worked
on
some
language.
If
you
wanted
to
impose
it
as
a
condition
of
improve
'el
I'd.
C
G
Right
so
I
drafted
prior
to
issuance
of
a
building
permit,
the
applicant
shall
provide
a
financial
guarantee
and
an
amount
of
not
less
than
fifty
percent
of
the
costs
of
implementing
the
approved
landscaping
plan
to
ensure
proper
installation,
establishment
and
maintenance
of
the
required
landscaping
and
irrigation
for
a
period
of
three
years,
which
time
may
be
extended.
If
the
landscaping
plan
has
not
been
properly
implemented.
C
C
C
Yes,
yes,
all
opposed
that
that
passes
five
to
one
with
member
gray
of
pausing,
Thank
You
Sloane
Thank,
You
staff
that
will
bring
us
to
public
hearing
item
5b
public
hearing
and
consideration
of
a
request
for
improvements
of
the
fraser
meadows
congregate
care
facility
located
at
350
Ponca
place
and
4950
thunderbird
drive
within
the
rh5
zone.
District
proposal
includes
renovations
to
existing
buildings,
expansion
of
existing
wellness
center
in
arts
and
education
facilities
in
a
new
five-story
55-foot
building
with
98
independent
living
units
Lu,
our
2016
zero,
zero,
zero.
Seven.
C
One
also
on
a
note
and
appreciate
that
we
have
the
next
generation
here
in
the
audience
and
I
would
love
to
see
that
here
at
a
Planning
Board
hearing
thanks
for
joining
us
tonight
and
before
we
turn
to
staff
just
for
public
who
is
new
or
who
are
new
to
us.
Just
to
let
you
know
what's
gonna
happen
here,
the
staff
is
going
to
make
a
short
presentation
about
that
case.
We
will
then
have
an
opportunity
as
the
board,
to
ask
factual
questions
about
that.
C
Then
the
applicant
will
have
a
chance
to
make
a
short
presentation.
We'll
have
a
chance
to
ask
the
applicant
questions
and
then
it
will
be
your
turn
if
you'd
like
to
take
it
to
address
the
board
on
the
issue
in
front
of
us.
If
we
do
have
questions,
we
will
raise
those,
although
they
tend
to
be
more
sparing,
but
we
have
that
ability.
Then
it
will
return
back
to
the
board
and
we'll
make
a
decision
based
on
the
matter.
C
E
K
J
P
S
Charles
good
evening,
everyone
just
a
quick
overview
of
the
presentation,
so
you
know
where
we're
headed
we're
gonna
go
over
some
of
the
background
of
where
this
projects
been
in
the
process.
We'll
look
at
the
context
a
little
bit
on
the
proposed
project
and
then
a
couple
key
issues
were
identified
for
discussion
this
evening
that
are
also
in
your
memo
shown
in
the
aerial
photo:
the
Fraser
Meadows
community.
It's
a
15,
acre
property
with
a
number
of
buildings
that
include
independent
living
units,
assisted
living
units
and
memory
care
units.
S
So
the
purpose
of
the
hearing
today
is
to
allow
improvements
to
the
Frazier
community,
some
of
which
were
prompted
in
response
to
the
floods
of
2013
and
just
to
take
us
back.
As
we
all
recall,
much
a
boulder
long,
mod
and
other
northern
Colorado
cities
were
impacted
by
the
severe
flooding
in
2013
September
2013.
That
flood
also
caused
significant
impacts
to
most
of
the
eastern
half
of
Fraser
Meadows
campus
with
flood
depths
averaging
about
three
feet
and
it
flooded
out
the
below
grade
parking
structure.
S
As
you
can
see
here,
the
single-story
assisted
living
building
on
the
northeast
corner
that
was
constructed
in
the
1960s,
was
damaged
beyond
repair.
So
that's
the
location
of
where
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
a
new
building
this
evening.
So
the
intent
really
is
to
reconstruct
and
renovate
the
Fraser
Meadows
campus,
essentially
to
be
a
more
resilient
and
sustainable
building
post
2013
flooding.
S
The
project
planning
began
soon
after
the
flood
with
internal
Fraser
Meadows
meetings
and
their
consultants,
then
in
March
2015
an
ordinance
was
approved
by
council
that
included
an
exemption
for
Fraser
Meadows
campus
from
the
restrictions
to
the
height
modifications
that
was
also
ratified
earlier
this
year.
As
you
know,
and
then
in
April
2016,
the
Planning
Board
reviewed
a
concept
plan
and
that
was
followed
by
a
site
review
some
middle.
This
went
to
dab
in
February
this
year
and
then
staff
attended
a
resident
meeting
as
recently
as
March.
S
So,
in
terms
of
context,
it's
important
to
note
that
the
land
use
is
high
density
residential,
essentially,
where
densities
are
expected
of
14
units
or
more
consistent
with
that.
The
zoning
is
high
density
residential
five,
and
this
is
for
a
variety
of
types
of
attached,
residential
units
without
limitation
apartment
buildings
and
other
complementary
uses
with
regard
to
flood.
S
This
illustrates
the
effective
FEMA
flood
plain,
the
site's
impacted
by
the
high
hazard
zone
on
the
east
and
southeast
the
site
and
100-year
floodplain,
essentially
in
the
middle,
and
you
can
also
see
that
500
year,
flood
plain
on
the
north
and
then,
as
you
know,
there's
a
floodplain
development
permit
that
was
submitted
for
site
improvements
that
was
approved
by
staff.
It's
subject
to
call
up,
and
the
permit
proposes
installation
itself
several
flood
defense
measures
to
give
more
time
to
execute
the
emergency
response
plan.
That's
required,
as
well
as
protect
the
infrastructure
assets.
S
The
independent
living
building
of
the
proposed
renovations
are
intended
to
meet
the
floodplain
development
in
wetland
or
wet
flood
proofing
standards.
The
Boulder
Revised
Code
requires
the
first
floor
of
the
buildings
and
additions
to
be
elevated,
2
feet
above
the
base,
flood
elevation
of
the
hundred-year
flood
plain
and
just
as
an
FYI.
The
applicants
floodplain
engineer,
as
well
as
the
city's
floodplain
engineer
available
this
evening
to
answer
any
questions
so
the
site
most
of
you
are
familiar
with,
but
it
does
help
to
look
at
it
in
the
context
of
what
is
located
nearby.
S
It's
of
course,
a
half
mile
south
of
baseline
and
directly
west
of
foothills,
expressway
and,
of
course,
in
this
context,
there's
the
meadows
shopping
center
close
by,
and
that
has
retailers
like
Safeway
and
Rite
Aid,
along
with
restaurants
and
other
services.
Kaiser
Permanente
medical
offices
are
just
around
the
corner,
as
is
the
Homewood
Suites
Hotel,
and
then
the
Colorado
Flatiron
Athletic
Club
is
just
across
the
street.
Also
a
branch
of
the
Boulder
Public
Library.
S
So
in
the
immediate
context,
the
site's
bordered
on
the
west
by
the
arleigh
Burke
Park
and
it
creates
essentially
significant
views
to
the
Flatirons
from
the
subject-
property
Mountain,
View,
Methodist
Church,
is
located
across
the
street
to
drive
on
the
south.
You
can
see,
creates
a
transition,
the
single-family
residential
and
then
extending
to
the
east
is
a
bike
and
pedestrian
overpass
over
foothills,
expressway
and
then
across
Thunderbird
Drive
from
the
site
to
the
north
are
condominiums
and
Thunderbird
Drive
in
this
context
is
local
road.
S
However
foothills
expressway
that
parallels,
it
is
a
seedot
highway,
four-lane
CDOT
highway,
as
you
can
see
here
for
the
campus
itself,
the
front
door
is
essentially
off
of
Pawnee
place
in
Ponca
place.
There's
some
images
that
illustrate
some
of
the
Independent
Living
units
and
some
recently
constructed
units,
as
well
as
the
healthcare
center,
and
then
also
you
can
see
it
backed
up
here
with
some
of
the
units
behind
the
existing
five-story
50
foot.
55
foot
tall,
Independent
Living
is
part
of
Frazier
north
that
you
can
see
here
so
onto
this
existing
site.
S
The
applicants
proposing
a
number
of
landscape
improvements,
as
well
as
several
and
additions,
including
the
arts
and
education
edition
and
main
entry
lobby
and
office
improvements,
there's
an
addition
to
the
wellness
facility
and
then
the
new
independent
living
building
in
that
northeast
corner,
along
with
what's
called
the
bridge,
cafe
and
I'll
go
over
each
of
these
little
independent
pieces.
Briefly.
S
So
when
we
take
a
look
at
the
front
door
of
Frazier
meadows,
the
new
entry
lobby,
along
with
the
arts
and
entertainment
edition,
essentially
consolidates
that
function
that
is
currently
in
different
parts
of
the
campus
to
one
main
part.
Among
the
key
elements
of
the
addition
are
that
there's
two
large
classroom
spaces,
along
with
a
multi-purpose
room
that
you
can
see
in
that
lower
right
that
can
be
divided
into
smaller
rooms.
S
On
the
second
storey,
there's
28
seat
movie
theater,
along
with
administrative
offices
that
you
can
see
in
the
lower
right
and
then
this
image
illustrates
what
the
proposal
would
look
like
with
the
arts
and
entertainment
function
on
the
right.
So
the
existing
wellness
building
is
proposed
to
have
an
addition.
They
are
referring
to
it
as
a
natatorium,
which
is
essentially
a
pool
area,
and
this
is
the
view
that
you
can
see.
S
This
is
internal
to
the
campus,
so
this
view
is
seen
nowhere
except
internal
to
the
courtyard
space,
so
also
proposed
is
the
five-story
independent
living
building
and
that's
in
that
location,
1960s
building
that
is
no
longer
habitable.
It's
planned
with
98
units
designed
with
five
stories.
The
ground
floor
is
a
parking
structure.
The
second
and
third
stories
have
a
bridge
to
what's
referred
to
as
the
bridge
cafe
it's
a
new
dining
venue,
and
then
you
can
also
see
there's
additional
units
planned
on
the
fourth
and
fifth
stories.
S
This
is
an
image
that
you
can
see
from
thunderbird
drive
with
regard
to
the
calculation
of
density
for
congregate
care.
There's
occupancy
equivalencies
in
the
land-use
code
for
congregate,
care
that
essentially
defined
five
sleeping
rooms
or
accommodations
without
kitchens
as
constituting
one
dwelling
unit.
S
There's
three
attached
dwelling
units,
essentially
with
a
kitchen
that
constitute
dwelling
unit
and
then
not
relevant
to
this
project,
is
a
one
to
touch
dwelling
unit
equivalent
to
one
dwelling
unit
and
just
a
word
about
the
unit
count
at
Fraser
Meadows
on
the
Dyess,
there's
a
clarification
that
the
number
of
units
is
calculated
using
those
equivalency
standards
specifically
about
the
98th
unit
proposed
independent
living
building
so
rather
than
it
being
a
one-to-one,
it's
not
a
detached
unit.
These
aren't
detached
units
they're
they
calculate
as
three
to
one.
S
So
in
essence,
what
you
see
is
a
recalculation
of
dwelling
units
for
the
most
part
that
doesn't
really
impact
this
site,
because
it's
a
very
large
site
and
density
in
the
RH
5s
calculated
based
on
1,600
square
feet,
a
lot
area
per
dwelling
unit
and
given
the
fact
that
there's
15
acres,
you
can
see
that
it's
well
within
that
one
to
you
per
1600
square
feet.
Similarly,
with
regard
to
open
space,
you
can
see
that
it's
well
in
excess,
of
course,
of
the
required
open
space.
Given
the
campus,
that's
been
developed
over
time
for
parking.
S
The
requirement
for
Congress
a
little
unusual
in
that
it's
essentially
dependent
on,
what's
appropriate
for
the
use
and
needs
of
the
facility,
a
number
of
vehicles
used
by
occupants,
as
determined
through
review,
so
staff
had
the
applicant
prepare
parking
study
and
in
this
case
it.
It
notes
the
rather
unique
context
for
parking
here
in
that
it's
not
just
driven
by
demand
from
residents,
but,
as
you
can
see,
there's
daily
visitors
that
come
to
the
site.
S
There's
visitors
for
memorials
or
other
events
that
come
to
the
site
as
well
as
volunteers,
and
then
the
workforce
is
comprised
by
a
number
of
different
types
of
folks,
including
security,
dining
health
care,
housekeeping
laundry,
mechanical
wellness
and
the
beauty
shop.
So
there's
a
number
of
employees
on
site
that
would
utilize
parking
as
well
that
essentially
correlates
to
a
total
of
423
spaces
that
are
proposed.
This
is
more
than
exists
today
about
32
spaces.
S
More,
the
parking
study
concluded
and
staff
found
it
to
be
solid,
finding
that
it
really
is
intended
to
accommodate
new
residential
units,
but
also
to
reduce
walking
distance
for
elderly
residents
and
visitors
by
having
parking,
closeby
and
then
essentially
ensuring
that
interaction
with
on
street
parking
and
traffic
is
reduced
again
in
deference
to
the
population
and
then
finally,
to
accommodate
visitors
to
the
new
units
as
well
as
memorials
or
other
events.
With
regard
to
key
issue
number
one
and
the
consistency
of
site
review
criteria.
S
The
first
criteria
essentially
asked
if
the
project's
consistent
with
a
comp
plan,
both
policies
and
the
land-use
we've
discussed
how
it's
essentially
high-density
residential
land
use,
which
of
course
makes
sense
and
then,
with
regard
to
specific
policies,
of
course,
7.03
is
relevant,
given
that
it's
a
essentially
a
special
needs
population.
In
this
case,
the
comp
plan
recommends
that
it
be
located
in
proximity
to
things
like
other
services,
medical
services,
schools,
entertainment,
public
transportation
and,
as
we
demonstrated
with
perspective
on
the
context,
of
course,
this
is
a
good
spot
for
that
use.
S
With
regard
to
another
very
important
policy,
the
cop
plan
7.09,
it
looks
to
planning
for
additional
housing
for
all
stages
of
life
and,
of
course,
we
all
know
that
the
demographic
is
changing.
There's
an
aging
population
both
locally
and
nationally,
and
so
this
represents
an
opportunity
to
help
address
the
demand
for
this
specialized
type
of
housing
within
Boulder
for
Boulder
residents.
S
Then,
with
regard
to
the
site,
review
criteria
related
to
alternatives
to
the
automobile,
it's
important
to
note
the
fairly
robust
TDM
the
applicant,
provided
that
includes
a
number
of
provisions
that
are
in
place
today,
as
well
as
eco
passes
for
employees
resident
bus
tickets
that
are
available
on
the
in
the
front
lobby
for
the
various
209
buses
that
you
can
see.
Bus
stops
that
are
around
this
site.
There's
an
existing
car
share
program
on
site
and
a
shuttle
service
that
exists.
S
S
In
this
case,
it
would
be
thunderbird
and
foothills
for
the
new
independent
living
building,
in
particular,
so
in
that
regard,
staff
notes
that
the
design
advisory
board
overall
expressed
fairly
positive
feedback
on
the
proposed
design,
particularly
with
regard
to
materials,
the
building
proportions
and
composition
and
the
integration
of
the
new
building
additions
with
existing
buildings
and
also
dab
and
staff.
Both
acknowledge
and
observe
that
this
criterion
generally
would
create
a
design
solution
with
ground
floor
activity.
S
S
We
talked
about
with
the
nearby
Brantford
condominiums,
it's
actually
seven
storeys,
which
couldn't
happen
today,
of
course,
but
it
does
actually
help
to
establish
a
context
of
higher
intensity,
higher
density,
bigger
buildings
in
this
location.
Then,
of
course,
there's
the
buildings
that
occur
on
the
campus
as
well,
some
of
which
are
up
to
55
feet.
So
in
that
regard,
this
new
building
would
meet
this
criterion
for
that
context.
So
then,
similarly,
the
site
review
criterion,
asks
about
orientation
of
buildings,
to
minimize
shadows
and
blocking
of
views
from
adjacent
properties.
S
So
in
that
regard,
staff
looked
at
possible
view,
shed
impacts
toward
the
mountains
and
the
Flatirons
moving
along,
essentially
along
foothills,
express
wife
and
staff
notes
that
a
55
foot
tall
building
along
foothills
would
of
course,
distinctly
punctuate.
That
view
shed.
However,
it's
important
to
note,
as
you
can
see
in
this
video
clip
that
when
you're
moving
at
45
miles
per
hour,
there's
the
existing
55
foot
building.
That
is
essentially
an
ephemeral
changing
view
shed.
S
Independent
Living
Building
is
essentially
maybe
300
feet.
So
when
you
look
at
the
the
essentially
our
scale,
that
shows
the
55
foot
tall
height
and
we
move
that
over
to
where
that
location
nearest
to
the
nearest
building
across
foothills,
you
can
see
that
it's
likely
there's
going
to
be
some
encroachment
in
the
view
shed.
However,
staff
finds
that
that
wouldn't
really
meet
the
qualification
for
adjacency
or
that
intent
of
adjacency
impacting
view
shed
a
little
bit
closer.
Just
to
finish
up
here.
S
Of
course,
the
closer
property
is
the
Flatiron
Athletic
Club
right
next
door,
but,
as
you
can
see
from
this
image,
the
views
essentially
go
about
10
degrees
to
the
southwest,
and
in
this
particular
case,
the
new
building
which
you
can
see
by
the
asterisks
of
the
existing
building
is
due
south.
So
those
impacts
really
don't
exist
to
this
in
this
particular
context
as
well.
So
with
that
I'm
a
pit
up,
if
there's
questions
of
staff
from
happy
to
answer
them,
there's
also
other
staff
members
available
to
answer
questions
great.
C
Q
S
Q
K
E
T
Ready
to
go
here
good
evening,
Edward,
Stanford,
Public,
Works,
developing
services,
Eco
passes
are
of
course
managed
by
RTD
and
have
to
be
provided
according
to
their
rules.
If
it's
not
in
a
neighborhood
eco
past
area,
then
the
residents
are
not
eligible,
so
you
can't
just
walk
in
and
buy
an
eco
pass
in
that
same
system.
So
that's
why,
in
this
one
you
see
it's
only
for
the
business
part
the
employee
base,
so.
E
E
S
J
J
T
E
J
You
another
flood
related
question.
The
high
hazard
area
seems
to
run
pretty
much
the
length
of
the
east
side
of
the
property
and
when
I
was
walking
along
there,
I
saw
that
there's
these
at
least
one
sunken
area
with
conduits
and
I
could
see
how
you
know
in
a
you
know,
less
than
a
hundred
year
flood
event.
There
probably
be
water
going
through
there
like
crazy,
but
above
that
it
didn't
seem
like
that
area
was
all
that
lower
than
the
rest
of
the
stories.
J
E
T
Know
that
I
have
an
exact
answer
to
that,
because
it
really
hasn't
been
modeled
yet
to
look
at
the
new
flood
plain
delineation.
You
know,
I
probably
would
have
some
impact
on
both
the
100
during
500
year,
whereas
the
design,
of
course
to
that
mitigation
is
about
the
hundreds
year,
but
just
by
the
fact
that
you
are
withholding
or
detaining
that
water
I
would
expect
to
see
some
modification
to
a
500
year.
Flood
plain
also
so.
G
I
can
I
can
respond
to
your
question
about
the
building
code.
I
I
worked
on
the
last
changes
to
the
energy
code
and
and
I.
Remember
that
the
site
review
of
the
currently
pending
site
review
applications
were
exempted
by
request
of
counsel
I,
think
it
wasn't
proposed
at
the
time
it
was
in
front
of
you
for
a
recommendation
and
I
think
I
actually
got
the
same
question
during
that
meeting
on
whether
or
not
the
site
criteria
which
to
the
PI
and
I
said.
Yes,
they
do
and
they
still
apply
today.
G
K
Q
C
R
U
There
we
go.
Thank
you
good
evening,
I'm
Tim,
Johnson
and
I'm.
The
CEO
of
Frasier
I
at
350
Punk
applies
in
Boulder
Colorado
I
had
the
pleasure
of
speaking
to
many
of
you
when
we
presented
the
concept
plan
now
about
15
months
ago,
we
told
the
same
story,
but
there
are
a
few
changes
to
it,
and
there
are
a
few
changes
to
this.
This
board
too.
So
we
decided
it
was
worth
repeating.
This
is
our
story
in
numbers
and
that's
our
road
to
wholeness
and
relevance
for
the
next
50
years
serving
seniors
in
Boulder.
U
This
is
a
story
and
numbers
similar
to
what
I
told
you
at
the
planning
board.
What
is
now
15
months
ago,
but
it
begins
before
the
numbers
story
for
two
years
prior
to
September
of
2013.
When
the
flood
occurred,
the
Fraser
Board
of
Trustees
was
engaged
in
in
future
strategic
planning.
As
we
looked
at
what
the
next
50
years
would
shape
up
to
be.
That
plan
resulted
in
us
hiring
a
consultant
to
help
us
envision
a
program
for
our
future,
as
well
as
the
bricks
and
mortar
that
might
be
required
for
some
of
that
vision.
U
U
The
plan
reiterated
at
that
time
that
our
fraser
campus
would
continue
to
be
the
center
of
what
frazier
as
an
organization,
would
be.
To
that
end,
the
plan
identified
bricks
and
mortar
needs
as
well
as
program
plans.
A
master
timetable
was
established
at
that
time
and
then
the
fateful
week
of
September
of
2013
occurred
the
day
after
the
flood.
We
were
awoke
to
a
new
reality.
U
We
were
broken,
but
in
so
many
ways
we
were
better
than
we
ever
were
before
the
flood
and,
as
an
aside
FEMA
recognizes
us
as
the
largest
single
disaster
in
the
state
of
Colorado.
From
that
flood
event,
it
is
that
realization
that
brings
us
here
tonight,
so
we
start
out
with
our
numbers:
57
57
years
of
history,
serving
the
boulder
community
20
minutes.
U
16%
the
number
of
residents
in
our
health
care
center,
the
percentage
of
residents
in
our
health
care
center
that
are
on
Medicaid,
interesting
fact.
14
percent
of
the
16
percent
are
all
non
Frazier
residents,
so
we
meet
a
Medicaid
need
of
seniors
in
the
community
46
months
since
the
flood
and
the
beginning
of
the
process
of
becoming
whole
again,
we
had
wait
staff
working
that
were
freshmen
in
Eden
college
at
CU
when
they
began,
and
they
have
now
graduated
from
college
when
we're.
U
U
Forty
six
months
of
master
planning,
designing
and
modelling
for
surveys,
resident,
wait
lists
and
to
community
surveys.
Hundreds
of
meetings
with
residents,
resident
focus
groups,
resident
councils,
board
of
trustees,
consultants,
architects,
community
employees,
one-on-one
and
city
Frasier's
community
benefit
closing
thoughts.
The
vision
of
the
Fraser
Board
is
that
Boulder
should
be
a
better
place,
because
Fraser
is
here.
The
Fraser
seeks
to
impact
the
aging
experience
in
Boulder.
The
Fraser
will
develop
programs
to
deliver
services
to
people
living
in
their
own
homes
in
the
greater
community.
U
Boulder
Community
and
Fraser
holds
social
responsibilities
in
as
a
primary
commitment.
We
are
working
with
Boulder
housing
partners
to
purchase
and
develop
the
Mount
Calvary
site
for
senior
affordable
housing,
we're
working
with
other
not-for-profit
providers
of
services
to
seniors
to
evaluate
how
we
might
work
together
to
have
a
bigger
impact
in
the
larger
community
and
we're
working
with
the
city
department
of
city
of
Boulder,
depart
of
human
resources
to
explore
opportunities
to
partner
and
deliver
services
to
other
seniors
in
Boulder
and
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
our
architect.
Greg
Dean.
V
Good
evening
my
name
is
Gregory
Dean
I'm
with
hoard
Copeland
Mont.
We
are
the
architects
partnered
with
fraser
in
their
journey
to
wholeness
and
as
elaine
kind
of
pointed
out,
a
lot
of
the
critical
information
of
the
project.
I
wanted
to
just
give
an
overall
snapshot
of
the
architecture
and
some
of
the
thought
process
that's
gone
into
the
development
of
this
project.
V
Sorry
this
is
a
landscape
plan
and
reason.
I
wanted
to
point
this
out
is
we've
had
the
opportunity
to
work
with
city
staff
in
looking
at
the
entire
site
and
bringing
this
to
current
requirements
in
terms
of
street
trees
and
open
space
and
various
other
landscape
requirements.
We
did
focus
a
lot
of
attention
on
Thunderbird
Drive
than
the
north
south
direction.
That
is
currently
and
will
remain
the
common
use
part
of
the
common
use
bike
path.
V
Just
briefly,
this
is
a
diagram
of
the
flood
defences
that
we
have
been
looking
at
and
again
working
with
city
staff,
and
we
also
engaged
mr.
David
Mallory
to
help
us
plan
the
defenses
that
are
appropriate
for
this
site
again,
not
imposing
any
adverse
effect
upstream
or
downstream,
and
so
it's
really
about
protecting
that
two-story.
V
Existing
health
center
building
right
here
that
kind
of
arched
shaped
and
in
some
of
the
photos
that
Elaine
showed
with
the
the
garage
going
below
grade.
That's
the
areas
where
we're
targeting
on
providing
a
flood
defense
measure
for
that
and
again
with
the
idea
of
augmenting
the
emergency
evacuation
plan
and
these
drawings
here,
we'll
our
sections
through
the
various
areas
where
we
would
be
implement
implementing
these
flood
defences.
And
it's
basically
getting
gives
you
an
idea
of
the
the
terrain
there.
The
contours
and
these
walls,
where
we're
going
to
implement
walls
are
not
high.
V
V
Recognized
anyone,
but
if
you
want
to
just
wrap
up
yes
yeah
just
a
few
more,
these
are
just
added
images.
I
wanted
to
do
to
support
what
a
lane
was
talking
about.
These
are
views
of
the
new
Independent
Living
you're,
going
southbound
on
Foothills
Parkway
again,
just
looking
back
to
the
West
I
know
the
view
corridors
are
important
and
in
concept
design
we
did
talk
about
that
and
minimizing
the
impact
of
that
Eastern
Massell
on
foothills,
but
also
maintaining
a
pedestrian
type
scale.
V
E
U
You
it
is
going
to
begin
it's
going
to
begin
in
January,
I,
believe
and
Leslie
Rideau
see.
One
of
our
vice
presidents
has
more
information
on
that,
but
if
I
could
clarify
just
one
thing,
as
we've
done
our
planning,
we
have
used
the
concept
of
driverless
cars
impacting
our
community
by
the
time
this
building
is
built.
So
one
of
the
messages
that
we
have
tried
very
hard
to
send
to
our
resident
population
is
that
as
hard
as
that
is
for
them
to
imagine
they
are
going.
U
And
so
it's
a
combination
of
eco
passes
for
all
of
our
employees
to
encourage
our
employees
to
take
other
modes
of
transportation,
to
reduce
the
footprint
of
vehicles
on
our
property
and
in
Boulder.
So
we
increase
the
number
of
ways
that
our
resin,
that
we
provide
transportation
to
our
residents
and
to
encourage
alternate
modes
of
transportation
as
well.
Thank.
E
So
then,
I
totally
appreciated
you
talking
about
your
social
responsibility,
goals
and
and
I
know
you're
doing
the
inclusionary
housing
off
site
and
partnership
with
Boulder
housing,
partners
and
I
think
you
talked
about
including
or
a
possibility
of
including
some
of
the
residents
in
your
inclusionary
housing
at
Mount,
Calvary,
Lutheran,
Church
site
being
able
to
use
some
of
the
amenities
here.
Could
you
talk
to.
U
It'll
be
a
combination
of
a
lot
of
things.
We
are
creating
what
we
are
working
name,
calling
Frazer
solutions
that
we
will
be
delivering
out
to
seniors
in
the
community
as
a
part
of
that
one
large
piece
of
that
will
be
delivering
many
of
those
programs
and
services
to
residents
that
live
in
the
new,
the
new
senior
affordable
housing
development,
as
well
as
high
Mar
and
other
senior.
So
it's
going
to
be
a
combination,
but
a
lot
of
the
services
will
be
delivered
to
them.
U
U
They
said
that
this
is
something
new
and
in
the
industry,
it's
about
three
four
or
five
years
old.
Nobody
in
senior
living
was
doing
this.
That's
all
they
needed
to
tell
me
was
that
nobody
was
doing
it
and
I
and
and
bye-bye
that
the
implication
was
it's
probably
not
something
you'd
be
interested
in
and
I
stopped.
The
conversation
at
that
point
and
time
and
I
said
don't
presume
for
us
what
we
would
want
or
what
we
wouldn't
want.
I
want
to
know
more
information
about.
U
Well,
so
they
did
a
great
job
coming
back
to
us
with
much
more
information
about
well-
and
we
were
very
intrigued
by
it,
whereas
lead
really
deals
with
the
building
in
the
built
environment.
Well
deals
with
the
people
who
live
and
work
in
the
environment,
and
how
do
you
construct
a
building
that
that
really
benefits
them?
U
I
had
an
opportunity
within
about
a
couple
of
months
after
that
to
actually
accidentally
be
in
a
meeting
with
Phil
Williams,
who
is
the
president
of
de
l'eau
de
l'eau
Sur
Delos,
the
organization
that
created
the
well
building
standard-
and
he
said
nobody
didn't
see
in
your
living
industry-
is
doing
this
and
somebody
in
the
future
will.
But
you
ought
to
know
about
it
today.
Well,
I,
just
about
died,
waving
my
hands
in
the
background
in
the
back
of
the
room,
saying
we're
doing
it,
we're
doing
it,
and
so
that
connected
us
to
Phil.
U
Phil
has
adopted
this
as
being
one
of
his
projects
and
we
have
made
a
decision
to
pursue
the
well
standard
for
the
Independent
Living
Building,
as
well
as
our
arts
and
education
building,
and
we
were
just
told
a
few
weeks
ago
that
we
will
be
the
first
arts
and
education
or
cultural
building
in
the
world
to
meet
the
well
building
standard
as
well.
So
we're
really
excited
about
that.
I
think.
J
D
Good
evening,
hi
I'm
Leslie
reader,
see
vice-president
of
wellness
and
Community
Services
at
Frazier.
I'm
gonna
have
to
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
those
booklets
myself.
We
do
offer
some
but
I,
don't
know
the
exact
logistics
of
it.
But
I
did
want
to
speak
to
your
questions
about
the
neighborhood
eco
paths
for
our
residents.
We
did
over
the
last
year,
look
into
that
and
worked
with
a
gentleman
in
the
city.
D
I,
don't
remember
his
name
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
in
order
to
have
a
neighborhood
eco
past,
you
need
contiguous
neighborhoods
to
apply
for
that
and
there
was
a
woman
resident
south
of
us
in
the
neighborhood
south
of
us
who
was
also
interested.
So
we
she
and
I,
worked
together
with
the
gentleman
at
the
city
to
learn
the
steps
for
that
and
one
of
the
first
steps
in
order
for
this
city
to
model
the
costing
for
that
program
was
to
do
surveys
of
your
neighborhood.
D
So
our
neighborhood
was
our
Frazier
campus
and
we
were
required
to
survey
all
of
our
independent
living
residents
and
her
task
was
to
survey
her
neighborhood.
So
we
did
that
and
she
had
difficulty
actually
getting
enough
survey
results
for
her
neighborhood
to
proceed
at
Frazier.
We
got
enough
survey
results.
Our
residents
were
are
always
good
about
responding
to
surveys,
but
in
working
with
the
gentleman
that
the
city,
the
the
data
that
we
retrieved
from
our
surveys,
that
was
essentially,
we
would
have
very
low
ridership,
partly
due
to
our
population.
D
You
know,
while
there's
certainly
some
residents
who
were
eager
to
get
on
the
bus
and
travel
the
city
that
way
the
majority
of
our
residents
were
less
interested
in
that
and
more
interested
in
using
our
own
shuttle
services
and
personal
transportation
that
we
offer.
So
in
talking
with
the
gentlemen
of
the
city,
we
determined
that
there
really
wasn't
even
a
way
for
him
to
cost
out
a
model
given
the
low
amount
of
ridership
that
would
be
expected
from
it.
So
we
can
certainly
always
revisit
that,
but
between
the
two
neighborhoods
there
was
determined.
D
U
If
I
can
just
add
whether
we
have
eco
passes
or
not,
we're
really
committed
to
providing
significantly
more
transportation,
then
we
have
in
the
past.
We
we
understand
the
environment
that
we're
moving
to.
We
understand
stand
the
city
of
Boulder.
We
really
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
solution
to
reducing
vehicles
in
the
footprint
of
not
only
our
campus,
but
also
the
city
too.
So
that's
something
we
are
we're
very
much
committed
to
whether
there's
an
eco
pass
or
not.
You.
J
But
I
did
I
liked
when
I
saw
the
the
ten
booklets
of
each
type
that
are
available
because
I
know
that
that
does
provide
an
alternative
when
you
don't
have
really
high
ridership
when
there's
alternatives
to
people
so
I
just
was
curious,
so
but
I
recommend
that
that
looks
like
that's
a
condition
in
the
in
the
proposal,
so
that
I
think
that's
great.
Thank
you
great.
C
So
I
have
one
from
mr.
Johnson
sorry
get
your
steps
in
today.
So
I
appreciate
your
raising
independantly
question.
I
was
going
to
ask
you
about
which
is
the
autonomous
vehicles
and
ride,
share
and
other
tools
that
are
out
there,
given
that
I
think
they'll
be
some
of
that
by
the
time
you
open,
assuming
we
approve
and
certainly
plus
five
years
plus
ten
years.
C
Even
more
of
that,
my
question
is
whether
there's
been
planning
done
for
repurposing
some
of
the
parking,
because
my
sense
is
you're
gonna,
be
dramatically
over
parked
and
you're
spending
a
lot
of
money
on
parking
that
maybe
not
providing
any
return
to
you
to
your
residents
or
citizens.
So
question
is:
have
you
thought
about
that
issue?.
U
C
C
Q
Well,
I
think
you
satisfied
my
concerns
about
energy
performance
by
going
with
the
well
standard.
I
think
that's
a
pretty
good
approach
to
the
doing
this,
and
you
know
just
in
terms
of
just
sharing
my
thoughts
with
everyone
on
the
board
about
why
I
would
suggest
going
with
a
higher
energy
standard
as
required
on
this
as
a
way
of
meeting
our
basics,
I
review
criteria,
I
do
think
it
can
be
routed
back
in
the
fact
that
the
Boulder
Valley
complan
has
changed,
has
a
lot
more
language.
Q
In
now
in
terms
of
sustainability,
resilience,
the
energy
performance
support
renewables,
EVs
the
charging
stations
stuff,
like
that
and
I
think
you
know
we
could.
We
could
make
that
argument
that,
in
order
to
come
into
compliance
with
the
current
comp
plan,
that
we
might
need
to
do
that,
but
I'm
not
gonna
have
for
a
condition
to
try
to
make
them
do
the
2017
Boulder
energy
code,
but
I
do
think.
We
should
make
sure
that
the
compliant
with
the
well
building
standard
is
a
is
a
requirement
of
the
yes
I
heard
you
other
comments.
Q
I
would
make
one
other
comment.
I
do
think
that
actually,
you
know,
having
watched
these
guys
go
through
concert,
review
and
dad
that
they
were
really
responsive
to
the
comments
that
people
had
and
I
think
they've
come
up
with
a
you
know,
good
well
designed
building
kind
of,
especially
the
natatorium
portions
cuz.
It's
got
a
lot
of
the
attention
of
the
dev
folks.
C
And
if
I
can
just
follow
up
on
the
energy
issue
as
well,
I
was
glad
to
see
the
requirement
to
have
the
conduit
and
wiring
and
other
sort
of
things
to
make
sure
you
can
have
it.
My
guess
is
that
drop
in
solar
prices
will
have
you
putting
some
of
that
on
at
some
point.
So
I
also
am
Not
sure
with
that
well
standard
that
we
need
to
put
it
as
a
site
review
criteria,
but
I
would
expect
that
you'll
be
doing
it
and
hope
that
you
would
be
doing
it.
C
I'd
also
say:
I'm,
not
gonna,
make
it
a
site
review
criteria,
but
I
do
think
that
kind
of
planning
for
what
I
think
is
PI
over
parking
would
be
a
good
thing
and
I
appreciate
your
direction
of
probably
taking
out
the
surface
parking
and
providing
more
benefit.
I,
think
both
of
the
residents
and
neighbors
and
and
keeping
that
that
parking
on
site
I'll
also
say,
though
kind
of
in
line
with
well
and
our
resilience.
C
If
you
do
have
that
internal
space
and
a
lot
of
it
is
protected
from
a
flood
perspective,
some
on-site
storage
and
having
some
thought
about
space
to
put
storage
in
the
future
for
energy
will
improve.
Your
resilience,
will
probably
be
an
economic
value
in
five
or
ten
years
and
is
worth
just
making
sure
you've
got
a
good
space
for
it,
and
my
guess
is:
you'll
have
excess
parking
space,
so
there's
probably
a
good
place
where
you
can
repurpose
some
of
that
Peter.
G
E
E
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
appreciate
the
applicant
and
mr.
Johnson
and
staff
and
the
architects
responding
to
the
numerous
issues
that
we
brought
up
in
site
review,
including
some
of
the
flood
issues,
some
of
the
landscaping
issues,
because
you
do
have
a
beautiful
campus
with
a
lot
of
trees
around
there
and
and
then
some
of
the
site
site
quarters
and
how
you
cited
your
buildings.
So
I
definitely
appreciate
that
and
then
your
social
responsibility.
E
Although
I
it
contributes
to
meeting
consistency
with
the
Boulder
Valley
comp
plan
without
having
community
benefits
that
we
could
directly
attribute
it
to
the
site.
Review
I
appreciate
your
bringing
those
up,
because
I
would
consider
that
a
community
benefit
as
far
as
this
project
goes.
So
with
that
I
would
like
to
move
to
a
the
Planning.
Board
approves
use,
review
application.
E
Lu
are
201,
7-0,
0,
0,
0
3,
adopting
the
staff
memorandum
as
finding
the
facts,
including
the
attached
analysis
of
review
criteria
and
subject
to
the
recommend
date
recommended
conditions
of
approval
and
the
recommended
conditions
of
approval
are
listed
in
our
in
our
packet.
There
are
three
conditions:
I
won't
read
them,
but
they're
within
our
packet
is.
C
G
E
C
How
about
I
make
a
friendly
friendly
amendment,
which
is
to
substitute
the
language
motion
to
approve
site
review
case
number
L?
You
are
twenty!
Sixteen
dash
zero,
zero,
zero,
seven
one
incorporating
the
staff
memorandum
and
the
attach
site,
review
criteria
checklist
as
findings
of
fact
and
subject
to
the
recommended
conditions
of
approval
that.
E
Q
C
Crystal
do
you
accept
that
friendly
I
do
great,
so
that's
accepted
by
the
original
mover
in
the
second,
any
other
comments
or
discussion.
I'll
just
say
quickly
for
the
record
that
I
found
that
staffs
memo
and
identification
of
reasons
for
both
the
consistency
of
the
site,
review
criteria
and
the
height
modification
were
convincing
and
complete,
especially
with
the
additional
information
about
some
of
the
height
and
visualizations,
and
taking
a
look
at
those
few
quarters
so
really
appreciate
that
information.
J
I'll
say
something
for
the
record
that
I
really
like
the
new
multi-use
path.
For
me,
writing
on
a
sidewalk
is
always
less
than
optimal,
so
I,
usually
I'm
on
thunderbird,
just
writing
down
the
street.
So
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
writing
closer
to
you
to
the
residents
of
frazier
meadows
that
will
be
a
lovely,
a
lovely
experience.
J
I
was
gonna,
try
to
figure
out
how
it
can
tie
into
that
bridge,
but
then
I
realized
there's
no
space
there
to
build
any
paths
through
there.
So
I
guess
just
coming
around
that
sidewalk
to
the
bridge
over
foothills
is
the
way
to
do.
It
would
be
nice
if
there
were
enough
space
for
something
but
they're.
Just
it's
not
really
practical.
I.
C
Next
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
it's
one
of
the
next
ones.
It's
got
some
of
the
same
issues
so
with
that
I'm
gonna
call
the
question
all
in
favor
of
crystals
motion
that
was
seconded
by
Brian,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
raising
your
hands
aye
any
opposed
that
passes
unanimously.
Thank
you
all.
Congratulations
appreciate
all
the
hard
work
that
went
into
that
and
also
all
the
hard
work
from
staff
to
get
us
to
this
point.
C
So
with
that
that
moves
us
along
to
matters
from
staff
and
the
board
and
I'll
just
offer
a
quick
thank
you
to
staff
for
thinking
on
their
feet
on
the
first
agenda,
a
public
hearing
item
that
we
had
there.
So
thanks
for
the
drafting
and
research
on
that
pleasure,
are
there
anything
else
from
members
of
the
board
crystal.
K
E
E
Okay,
so
neighbors
have
brought
up
the
issue
of
the
start
time.
The
5
o'clock
start
time
and,
as
I
recall,
your
response
and
others
responses
have
said.
Well,
we
have
an
agenda,
we've
got
minutes
and
some
other
things
that
will
take
up
some
of
that
time.
Is
there
anyone
else?
We
could
move
into
that
five
to
six
time,
so
we
started
at
6:00,
so
people
that
are
coming
from
work
will
have
the
of
listening
to
the
staff
presentation.
C
C
I've
asked
staff
during
our
agenda
meeting
yesterday
and
they've
agreed
to
pre
post
the
staff
presentation
and
the
applicant
application,
so
that
people
would
be
able
to
see
it
both
right
before
the
meeting
and
as
they
get
here
to
provide
I
think
a
level
of
transparency
and
capability
that
they
wouldn't
otherwise
have
I
think
we
ought
to
probably
think
about
doing
that
more
regularly.
I
think
it's
actually
a
helpful
thing
for
folks,
but
I'm,
not
sure
I'd
wanna.
C
If
we
could
finish
everything
else
in
a
half
hour,
for
example,
which
is
possible
because
we
don't
have
that
much
else
on
our
agenda.
I'd
recommend
that
we
just
plunge
right
in
because
I
think
we're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
interest
from
the
public
and
we're
gonna
get
a
lot
of
feedback
from
them
and
I
want
to
make
sure.
We
have
time
to
consider
that
and
leave
ourselves
fresh
enough
that
we
could
actually
have
a
good
discussion
and
hopefully
even
get
to
a
decision.
Next
Thursday
yeah.
E
I
know
that's
how
we've
done
business
before
starting
early
and
but
in
this
case
one
I
need
the
request
to
consider
a
different
date.
I
made
it
in
May
and
apparently
through
the
process.
Whatever
process
went
through,
I
didn't
get
a
response
until
I
until
the
meeting
date
was
actually
announced,
and
then
the
board
decided
to
go
ahead
with
that
meeting
date.
E
C
I
guess
my
thought
is:
if
I'm
going
to
leave
my
job
early
to
get
here
at
five
to
accommodate
more
opportunity
for
public
hearing
and
I
haven't
heard
anybody
who
said
that
they
themselves
can't
make
it
by
five.
It's
always
talking
about.
Maybe
other
people
can't
make
it
by
five
I,
don't
see
a
reason
to
do
that
and
basically
take
more
risk
that
we're
gonna
be
making
decisions
later
in
the
night
when
we're
not
fresh
or
have
to
kick
it
over
into
another
night.
Q
J
Charlie
go
first,
okay,
so
yeah
I
see
both
sides
of
the
issue.
It
is
a
trade-off
and
I
do
agree
that
the
advantages
of
trying
to
get
to
deliberations
and
not
you
have
awkward
periods
where
we
can't
talk
about
it.
Are
there
and
the
advantages
of
getting
people
home
a
little
earlier?
Are
there
so
that
to
me,
is,
is
kind
of
you
know
as
as
big
of
an
argument.
As
you
know,
maybe
a
few
people
who
might
have
to
miss
a
bit
of
the
staff
presentation.
So
that's
that's.
E
C
I'll
just
know,
I
think
we
probably
should
have
set
the
five
o'clock
time
when
we
set
the
date,
because
we
know
this
matter
gets
a
lot
of
interest
and
a
lot
of
concern.
It
would
have
been
better
probably
to
do
that
earlier,
so
you
wouldn't
have
had
the
you
know
the
leafleting
rated
issue
out
there
and
I.
You
know
I
I
do
think
we
need
to
think
through
and
I've
started
reading
the
report
and
thinking
about
the
report
and
will
continue
to
do
so.
So
you
know
absolutely.
C
E
Q
E
Know
what
it's
a
little
bit
hard
to
find
it
on
the
city
website
I'll,
send
it
to
you
but
they're,
talking
well
I'm,
just
saying
you
can
find
it,
but
but
it
might
be
easier
if
I
just
send
you
a
link,
it's
public
participation
or
public
engagement,
working
groups,
I
mean
I,
checked
all
both
on
the
city,
search,
I.
Think.
I
C
J
C
I
C
Okay,
well,
we
can
we'll
kind
of
play
that
by
ear
to
maximize
the
chances,
but
I
think
it
sounds
like
the
weight
of
the
board,
although
not
an
overwhelming
one.
Is
that
we'll
just
keep
moving,
but
not
you
know
dive
ahead
too
fast,
so
good!
Well,
thank
you
other
matters
from
either
board
or
staff,
none
from
staff
terrific!
Well!
Thank
you
all.
Thanks
for
a
great
evening,
it's
8:30
and
we'll
see
y'all
back
next
week.
We
go
adjourn
your
kid
nice
meeting.