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Cob,
elaine
mclaughlin:
great
thanks
very
much
and
good
evening.
Everyone,
I'm
elaine
laughlin,
I'm
case
managing
this
application.
Charles
pharaoh,
couldn't
join
us
this
evening.
Hit
up
family
emergency
come
up,,
so
I
am
just
going
to
share
the
screen
here.
So
bear
with
me
and
please
let
me
know
if.
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Cob,
elaine
mclaughlin:
a
lot
of
big
box.
Retailers
have
moved
to
off
the
site
in
years,
but
there's
existing
coffee
shops,
some
banks
and
a
24
hour
fitness.
So
the
property
under
consideration,
this
evening
is
essentially
the
west
standard,
the
shopping
center.
It
wraps
around
the
south
to
encompass.
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Cob,
elaine
mclaughlin:,
so
then,
with
regard
to
the
land,
use
and
zoning.
It's
remained
unchanged
for
decades,
this
they
use
the
land
uses.
Community
business
characteristics
are
noted,
as
commercial
and
it's
important
to
note
that
uses
include
where
feasible,
multiple
uses,,
including
housing,
will
be
encouraged.
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elaine
mclaughlin:
and
then
similarly,
zoning
is
bc,
one
business
community
containing
retail
centers
and
where
retail
type
stores
predominate,
it's
important
to
note
under
bc.
One
attached
residential
is
permitted,
and
on
the
ground
floor,
it's
permitted
by
right,
or
rather
it's
permitted
through
a
use.
Review.
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elaine
mclaughlin:
and,
and
for
the
city
to
execute
documents
that
will
secure,
affordable
housing
on
the
property.
In
this
regard,
it's
important
to
note
a
key
requirement
of
the
ordinance
is
that
the
proposed
plans
be
generally
consistent
with
the
concept
plan
that
was
reviewed
by
council
as
part
of.
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Cob,
elaine
mclaughlin:,
where
the
street
is
on
28
street,
where
the
essentially
the
right
of
way
and
28
street
it
drops
down
to
where
building
two
is
being
constructed.
There's
a
slight
variation
in
height
do
typography,,
and
so
they
meet
that
criteria
for
being
able
to
build
the
buyer
right
number
of
stories.
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elaine
mclaughlin:
wood,
composite
fiber
cement
panel
and
various
layups,
brick,
and
then,
with
regard
to
some
of
the
circulation
criteria,
staff
notes
that,
through
the
design
of
the
streets
in
the
building
configuration
high
speeds,
are
discouraged,
with
the
introduction
of
those
two
new
public
rights.
Way.
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Pb,
sarah
silver:,
I
have
a
couple
questions.
Laura
has
her
hand
up
as
well.
It
can
be
hard
to
see
sometimes.
The
first
question
I
have
happens
to
be
about.
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Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city,
attorney:
yeah,
that's
my
guess,.
This
will,
it
will
be
in
the
right
way,,
so
it
won't
be
controlled
by
the
adjacent
property
owner
for
marketing
purposes,.
But
it's
not
in
an
area
of
a
district,
right
now,,
so
it
would
function,,
unlike
other
right
away
parking.
That's
not
within
the
district.
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hella
pannewig,
-senior
assistant
city,
attorney:,
so
for.,
hella
pannewig,
-senior
assistant
city,
attorney:,
for
for
short
term.
It
states
its
intended
to
offer
convenient
and
accessible
area
to
park,
bicycles
for
customers
and
other
visitors,
short
term
bicycle
parking,
shelby
located
on
the
public
access
level
within
50
feet
of
the
main
building
entrances
and
outside
the
building.
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Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city
attorney:,
not
their
bicycle
parking,
is
work
hard
to
be
covered
and
join
us
at
one
of
the
following:
the
locker
room
and
area
and
close
by
a
fence
with
a
lot
gauge,
an
area
within
view
of
an
attendant
or
security
guard
or
monitored
by
security,
camera
or
an
area
visible
from
flowing
work.
Areas.
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Cob,
elaine
mclaughlin:
yeah
and
we
can
take
another
look
at
that
I'll.
Take
a
look.
Quality
applicants
reviewing
their
presentation
to
see
where
that
lands,,
but
you
know,
in
general,
throughout
the
project,
there
is
that
percentage
is
so
it
doesn't
necessitate
that
percentage
per
building,
but
it's
project
wide.
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john
gerstle:
okay,
well,.
I
have
a
couple
more
questions.
If
none
of
my
colleagues
on
the
board,
have
any,
I
wanted
to
ask
about
the
setbacks
that
are
associated
associated
with
these
plans,.
It
seems
to
me
that
several
of
the
buildings
are
built
very
close
to
the
to
the
property
lines.
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Bill
holicky,
coburn
architecture:
out
in
15
minutes.
We
might,
I
might
take
an
extra
minute
or
something
to
answer
some
of
the
questions
that
have
been
brought
up
in
line
in
the
presentation,,
but
anything
I
don't
get
to
please
feel
free
to
on
task
afterwards,.
So
let
me,,
let
me
get
this
going.
Here.
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Bill
holicky,
coburn
architecture:,
the
other
thing
to
keep
in
mind
as
jeremy
said,
is.
This
is
within
a
pod.
So
all
the
pod
owners
essentially
have
veto
power
over
everything
individually,.
So
we
had
to
go,
sell
this
to
all
the
property
or
is
this
is
one
of
the
reasons
that
this
has
never
been
developed.
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Bill
holicky,
coburn
architecture:.
We
agree
it
required,,
but
staff
and
us
frankly
roll
our
sleeves
up
and
work
really
hard
on
this
over
able
to
get
it
to
work
with
industry
standards
with
a
tree
lawn
and
the
differences
dramatic
you'll
see
from
the
renderings.
It
makes
a
huge
difference
in
how
you're
perceived
the
streets.
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Jarvie
worcester,
applicant:,
yeah
I'll.,
say
I'm
gonna.
jarvie
worcester,
applicant:,
I'm
gonna.
Let
bill
take
the
area
plan
piece
of
it,.
What
I
will
say
is
yes,
is
the
first
half
of
that
answer.
The
revised
covenants.
The
other
piece
of
this
that
I
didn't
mention
the
original
covenants.
Only
allow.
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Bill
holicky,
coburn,
architecture:
hopefully,
allows
a
reasonable
group
of
people
to
make
reasonable
decisions
which
allows
the
city
to
plan
on
top
of
it
for
the
first
time,
so
yeah
I
agree,.
I
think
that
in
every
player
has
much
more
likely
to
be
successful,
now
great.
Alright,
thank
you.
So
much.
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Bill
holicky,
coburn,
architecture:,
3200
or
three
pearl.
We
just
don't
expect
those
spaces
to
before.
We
haven't
seen
that
level
of
us
yeah.
So
that's
that's
the
background,,
for
we
don't
feel
like
incredibly
strongly
about
it,,
but
it
seems
to
be
a
good
pilot
project
that
we
agreed
to
participate.
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Jarvie
worcester,
applicant:.
Can
I
interject
really
one
one
point
quickly
before
you
turn
it
over
to
laura,,
just
to
clarify,
lower
lower
lower
kaplan,
not
more
time
you
mentioned
that
many
would
be
just
limited
to
building
one.
It's
actually
provided
for
building
123
and
four.
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Laura
sheinbaum,
boulder
housing
partners:
that
is
sort
of
almost
a
non
starter
for
us
and
there's
a
lot
of
financial
reasons
why
that
is,,
but
it
also,
I
think,
most
importantly,.
It
gives
us
control
over
something
that
we've
been
doing
for
the
past,
50
plus
years,,
and
so
we,
you
know
own,
manage
and.
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Jarvie
worcester,
applicant:
cash
flow
or
since
january
of
21
or
so
working
through
the
operational
efficiencies
and
how
the
two
projects
are
interacting
with
absolutely
will
take
that
comment
into
consideration
and
working
through
tech,
doc
and
as
bill
mentioned,
the
913
section
of
fulfilling
the
project.
Requirements.
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john
gerstle:,
I
just
like
to
follow
up
on
what
laura
and
laura
can
talk
to
you
about
with
respect
to
the
separate
campuses
who
would
take
responsibility
for
the
park.
But.
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Pb,
sarah
silver:,
so
I
actually
have
a
question
about.
I
know
this
is
a
rental
element,,
but
I'm
wondering.
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Bill
holicky,
coburn
architecture:.
I
may
have
to
defer
for
a
minute
on
the
answer
to
this
mark,.
While
I
get
the
numbers
so
I'll
start,
and
hopefully
my
team
can
give
me
some
numbers
quick,,
if
not
I'll,
come
back
to
the
answer,,
but
we
do
have
electrified
car
spaces
and
those
are
codified,
as
you
know.
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Bill
holicky,
coburn,
architecture:,
right,
now,
and
we're
live,
pulls
up
out
in
front
of
the
buildings,
and
the
idea
was
that,
that
is,
you
know,
again,.
The
city
wants
to
control
the
spaces
on
the
streets,.
They
don't
want
us
to
dedicate.
You
know
pick
out
drop
off
that
kind
of
thing,
so
that
was
a
way
to
allow.
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mark
mcintyre:
okay,
great.
I
will
I
I
very
well
my.
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Bill
holicky,
coburn,
architecture:
38
feet,
3060.
What
the
city
does
within
that
36
feet
is:
there's
we
don't
get
to
control
it
so
moving
forward
the
city
said,,
you
know
what
we
really
need
here
is
one
side
parking
and
the
other
side
of
bike
lane
that
can
be
done
or
to
remove
both
sides,
parking
or
whatever..
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sarah
silver:
alright,.
So
my
question
this:
I
don't
know
if
this
is
a
city
issue
or
a
applicant
issue,
but
I'm
wondering
just
for
the
safety
of
folks
who
might
be,
you
might
use
the
bike
path,
or
who
might
be
pedestrians,
whether
the
curve
of
street,
be,
I
think,
it's
st,
be
the
southernmost
street.
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Cob,
elaine,
mclaughlin:
and
helen
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,,
but
it
could
be
through
a
finding
of
one
of
the
site
review
criteria.
It
could
become
a
condition
of
approval.
Is
that
correct
and
then
we
would
defer
it
to
technical
document
review,
which
is
seems
like
an
appropriate
place
for
it.
Anyway.
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Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city,
attorney:
yeah,
the
conditions
should
be
drafted,
the
applicant
has
to
meet
that
review
criteria,,
and
so
the
condition
should
be
drafted
as
a
requirement
upon
the
applicants.
We'd
have
to
think
about
how
this
how
this
would
work
out,,
I
guess,,
but
let's
see
if
we
can
get
everett's
thoughts
on
this.
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john
gerstle:.
I
have
a
somewhat
related
question
here,
which
I'll
take
the
opportunity
to
ask,
and
now
that
we
have
chris
here
I'll
I'd
like
to
ask
about
the
distribution
between
compact
parking
spaces
and
regular
parking
spaces
that
we're
seeing
here
is
this
something
that
that
is
normal
or
standard..
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john
gerstle:,
I
have
one
additional
question
for
laura
shine:
bone.
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Laura
sheinbaum,,
boulder
housing,
partners:
open
space,,
and
you
know
we
have
a
maintenance
team
that
cares
for
that
property
or
we
hire
out
for
that
so
again,.
I
think
we
would
be
open
to
either
direction,
and
I
think
we
were
waiting
to
hear
back
if
the
city
had
a
preference
on
which
way
that
would
go.
So.
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Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city,
attorney:
thanks
john
yeah,
I
heard
back
from
edward
stafford
and
just
read
his
response.
He
states
that
he
would
not
recommend
speed
bumps
as
they
will
impact
bicycles
and
add
more
traffic
noise,
to
the
area,.
Given
the
narrow
streets
section
and
curve,
speed.
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cob,
cindy
spence:.
In
regards
to
the
curbside
management
update.
I
just
received
a
word
from
chris
hagen
who
was
going
to
speak
to
you
tonight,.
They
are
fine
with
tabling
that
for
another
night,,
so
they
they
are
fine
with
that,.
So
we
can
remove
that
from
tonight
and
sort
of
make
sure
I
read
that
correctly.
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Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city,
attorney:,
to
say,
item
five
being
staff,.
Please
go
home
and
we'll
move
that
on
and
maybe
see
where
we're
at
with
the
first
item,.
If
carla's
willing
to
hang
on,
I
don't
know,
call
what
your
priorities
are,.
I
know
that
we
also
have
some
expectations
on,
but
by
when
this
item
is
supposed
to
be
done.
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kurt
nordback:
yes,.
We
can
okay
great
so
overall,
I'm
very
happy
with
this
project
and
I'm
excited
for
it
to
be
built,.
I
have
a
few
specific
comments,.
First
of
all,
I'm
very
disappointed
that
building
to
it
looks
like
has
been
pushed
away
from
the
street,,
and
there
was
an
explanation
of
why
I
feel
that.
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sarah
silver:
we,
this
is
something
that
we're
all
going
to
have
to
all
of
us,.
Everyone
in
boulder
is
going
to
have
to
try
to
find
solutions
to
and
size
does
not
determine,
affordability,
that's
just
not
how
it
works,.
Despite
on
what
what
folks
keep
repeating?
That's,
not
how
affordability,
works.
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john
gerstle:
well
mark,
if
you
do
have
some
thoughts
about
conditions,
feel
feel
free
to
mention
them.
Now.
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hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city
attorney:.
I
also
wanted
to
point
out
that
every
stafford
was
able
to
join
us,
and
he,
of
course,
didn't
have
the
benefit
of
hearing
your
condition,.
But
if
you
send
it
out
cindy,
maybe
you
can
send
it
to
edward
and
he
will
give
him
some
time
to
take
a
look
at
it.
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ml
robles:,
then
it's
in
key
issue,
one
and
it's
not
about
transportation,,
but
it's
about
energy
and
energy
use,
and
I
don't
know
if
I
want
to
kind
of
jump
into
the
middle
of
a
process
that
was
already
in
a
way
about.
You
know
talking
about
key
shooting
so.
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Cob,
elaine
mclaughlin:,
essentially
streetscape,
going
into
the
retail
and,.
If
anything,
it's
going
to
augment
it
and
hopefully
be
catalytic
for
the
existing
contacts,,
so
I
hope
that
helps,.
This
is
the
specific
criteria.
If
you
want
me
to
leave
it
on
the
screen
for
you
as
you
deliberate
I'm
happy
to.
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jorge
boone:
men,
quiet
I'll,
try
to
keep
my
comments
brief
as
it
relates,
the
criteria,
overall,
I
think
both
criteria,
one
or
two
or
man,
I'm
interested
in
in
looking
at
marks,
language,
a
little
bit
more
around
the
parking
reduction,
electrification
etc,.
I
thought
that
was
interesting.
Concept.
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jorge
boone:
for
environment,
where
thing
where,
where
a
company
like
google,
is
building
and
buying
offices
in
an
opportunity
zone,
it's
not
what
that
was
mechanism
was
meant
for,,
and
I
think
we
need
to
understand
that
as
a
setting.
So
sorry,
I
get
on
a
soapbox
a
little
bit
as
far
as
the
criteria
ago.
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ml
robles::
I
see
that
you're
there
bill,
do
you
have
some
specific
intentions
regarding
your
pd.
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Bill
holicky,
coburn
architecture:,
with
getting
outside
grants
for
the
solar
and
so
typically
with
bhp
projects.
You'll
see
the
solar
go
on
about
a
year
or
two
after
the
project
is
done,
and
that's
when
that
separate
financing
comes
through.
So
laura
can
order
for
you
to
explain
your
process
and
to
see
your.
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Laura
sheinbaum,,
boulder
housing,
partners:
yeah,
absolutely
great
question.
We
take
sustainability
really
seriously
at
hp.
So
not
only
are
we
meeting
energy
standards
required
by
code,,
but
you
know
it's
something
that
we
feel
really
passionately
about
and
as
part
of
our
mission
and
vision
statements
as
an
organization.
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Laura
sheinbaum,,
boulder
housing,
partners:
10
years
to
become
an
that
zero
organization.
Now,
that's
not
all
going
to
happen
on
our
properties
per
se,,
but
through
our
partnerships
with
different
solar
farms
and
the
solar
farms
that
we've
developed
ourselves,.
That
is
something
that
we
are
really.
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Bill
holicky,
coburn
architecture:.
We
are
having
a
conversation
about
how
much
so
that
new
energy
code
is
a
really
great
kind
of
thing.
We
sort
of
the
first
ones
free.
We
get
our
foot
in
the
door,
because
the
solar
has
to
be
on
the
project
and
how
we
can
talk
about
how
much
so,
derby
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you
at
that.
Point.
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lisa
smith:
yeah.
I'm
just
follow
her
on
on
that
subject.
I
don't
know
if
lane
has
had
time
or
someone
else
on
staff
time
or
has
it
at
their
fingertips,,
but
I'd
like
to
circle
back.
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H
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
reasonable
for
a
middle
income,.
So
I
would
love
to
you.
Know,.
Make
sure
that
we
all,,
especially
as
new
folks,
are
well
educated
on.
What's
going
on
with
middle
income
housing
for
future,
especially
concept
reviews
when
we
have
maybe
a
little
bit
more
voice
to
influence
a
project.
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lisa
smith:
yeah.
I
would
add
also
that,
in
addition
to
the
fact
that
staff
has
to
listen
to
us,
thank
you.
I'm
sorry,
um.
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Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city
attorney:
at
this
point
in
time,,
because
we're
still
exploring
that
process
and
haven't
created
any
standards,
so,.
While
the
applicant
is
responsible
for
implementing
a
street
design,
it
goes
back
to
the
standards
that
we
have
in
place,.
It
has
to
be
consistent
with
the
tcs
standards
ultimately.
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mark
mcintyre:,
based
on
the
input
from
the
rest
of
the
board
again
reading
the
room,,
as
well
as
our
legal
counsel.
Then
fine,
let's,
let's,
let's
get
rid
of
the
card
parking
and
the
streets.
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lisa
smith:
the
odds
of
you
one,,
and
I
know
that
some
of
this
is
protected
and
locked
in
well
lit
and
all
that.
But
these
are
people's
babies
and
even
if
you
live
in
an
apartment,
you
tend
to
bring
it
in
with
you.
But
I'm
also
comfortable
with
this
condition.
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Pb,
lisa
smith:.
I
also
I
don't
know
if
I
said
it
in
the
meeting
but
or
in
deliberation,,
but
I
completely
agree
with
what
jersey
was
saying
about
missing
middle
and
it's
a
constant
source.
Of.
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I
Pb,
sarah
silver:
give
feedback
on
city
policy,.
The
reality
is
we're
not
boulder
is
actually
not
a
bubble
and
they're
all
these
other
factors
that
drive
what
is
happening
in
our
town
and
every
other
town
in
america,,
and
I
think
it
would
be
very
helpful
to
have
sort
of
that
contextualize
in
conversation.
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Pb,
sarah
silver:,
if
you're
as
much
of
a
planning
nerd
as
my
guest,
is
everybody
on
this
call
is,
I
would
really
recommend
it.
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Hella
pannewig
-senior
assistant
city
attorney:,
there
is
no
official
role
on
that,,
but
it's
been
a
long
time
practice
to
to
have
a
planning
board
member
attempt
there
as
a
liaison
and
then
I
think,
the
green
race
advisory
board,.
I
think,
is
set
up
out
of
members,
one
member
from
many
different
boards,
so.
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B
B
B
E
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
weird
yeah,
I'm
sorry
one
other
question
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
anyone
else,
but
I'm
sneaking
it
in
am
I
signing
as
my
own
supervisor
on
this
pdf.