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A
Good
evening
I'm
calling
to
order
the
January
17
whoops,
the
February
21
20
19
meeting
of
the
city
of
Boulder
Planning
Board.
We
have
a
quorum
everybody's
here.
The
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
approval
of
minutes.
We
have
a
set
of
minutes
from
the
January
17th
2019
meeting
that
we've
all
had
a
chance
to
review.
Does
anyone
want
to
make
any
comments
or
additional
edits
or
offer
a
motion?
Well.
B
A
A
A
Tonight
we
have
one
public
hearing
and
it's
about
the
Norwood
annexation.
If
anyone
would
like
to
speak
to
any
item
other
than
the
Norwood
annexation,
please
sign
up
with
Cindy
or
come
up.
It
looks
like
we
don't
have
anybody?
Okay,
great
thanks
and
we'll
move
to
the
next
one
next
item,
which
is
discussion
of
dispositions
playing
board
call-ups
&
continuations.
We
have
to
call
up
items
tonight.
A
One
is
a
use
review
at
the
Pollard
site
parking
lot
to
use
the
northern
portion
of
the
former
auto
dealership
as
an
automobile
parking
lot
prior
to
redevelopment
of
the
property,
and
then
we
also
have
a
column
item
which
is
a
youths
review
for
a
restaurant
use
with
approximately
569
square
foot
tenant
space
at
23:59
Arapahoe.
So
do
we
have
any
interest
in
asking
questions
of
the
a
planter
staff
about
either
these
items
so.
B
A
C
F
A
Anybody
else
all
right,
then,
does
anybody
have
any
interest
in
calling
with
either
of
these
up
all
right,
then
we
will
move
to
our
public
hearing
item,
which
is
a
public
hearing
and
planning
board
recommendation
on
the
proposed
annexation
of
an
area
generally,
including
the
Norwood
subdivision,
nor
would
subdivision
first-edition
know
its
subdivisions.
Second
edition
2285,
Norwood
drive
and
150
green
rock
drive
with
an
initial
zoning
of
residential
estate
re.
The
annexation
petition
seeks
annexation
pursuant
to
election
procedures
and
I
will
turn
it
over
to
staff
for
their
presentation.
Great.
E
G
You
very
much
thanks
for
having
me
we
will
get
started
so
there's
a
couple
of
pieces
to
the
presentation
and
the
work
tonight.
First,
we're
going
to
start
with
a
staff
presentation
on
the
petition,
as
well
as
the
annexation
by
election
process
and
we'll
have
a
ten
minute
presentation
from
the
applicant
and
following
that,
we'll
open
it
up
for
the
public
hearing,
discussion
and
recommendations
to
Council.
G
G
G
47
of
those
properties
are
located
in
the
Norwood
metropolitan
district,
which
is
a
special
district,
currently
an
unincorporated
Boulder
County
and
one
property
hundred
150
green
rock
drive,
which
is
not
in
the
district
and
is
currently
served
by
city
water.
The
applicants
goal
for
pursuing
annexation
is
to
connect
the
neighborhood
to
city
water,
so
we
received
this
application
in
in
June
of
last
year
and
have
been
working
with
the
applicants,
the
district
and
across
the
city
departments
to
negotiate
the
terms
of
a
potential
annexation.
G
The
petition
submitted
is
for
an
annexation
by
election
and
I
understand
that
process
for
annexation
by
election
hasn't
been
conducted
in
the
city
since
the
1970s.
So
there's
a
couple
extra
steps
involved
that
we
wanted
to
just
go
over
and
review
with
you.
There
are
two
major
phases
of
this
process.
The
first
phase
confirms
that
the
applicant
has
submitted
all
the
required
materials
and
sets
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
annexation.
G
The
annexation
and
zoning,
and
make
findings
on
whether
the
proposed
annexation
is
in
compliance
with
state
law
and
determine
the
terms,
conditions
and
initial
zoning
of
the
area,
so
that
first
phase
allows
the
city
and
applicants
to
move
forward
with
an
election
in
sort
of
Phase.
Two
or
second
phase
council
will
order
that
an
election
will
be
called
and
will
nominate
an
election.
Commissioner,
then
there
will
be
an
election
where
both
registered
electors
in
the
area
and
landowners
of
properties
in
the
area
will
vote
on
the
annexation.
G
A
majority
is
needed
for
the
election
to
pass
and
if
the
outcome
is
positive,
the
area
is
considered
eligible
for
annexation
and
then
finally,
council
me
annex
the
area
by
ordinance
and
so
there's
a
couple
more
steps
than
usual
and
I.
Think
if
you
have
questions
about
that
process,
we
can
kind
of
talk
through
some
more
of
that
and
but
I'm
gonna
move
on
and
talk
about
some
of
the
existing
conditions.
G
So,
as
I
mentioned
previously,
the
annexation
area
is
located
in
Boulder
County
prior
to
the
BBC
peas.
Recent
update
the
neighborhood
was
located
above
the
blue
line
and
an
area
3.
But
during
that
update
process,
the
city
clarified
the
location
of
the
blue
line
and
revised
the
planning
areas
map
and
today
the
area
the
neighborhood
is
located
below
the
blue
line
and
in
area
2,
making
it
eligible
for
annexation.
G
G
The
area
currently
has
county
zoning
of
suburban
residential,
which
is
low-density,
suburban,
residential
and
surrounded
by
rl1
zone
of
Mapleton
Hill,
our
m2
residential,
medium
and
RM
acts
which
is
residential
mixed
of
West
Pearl
and
then
public
zoning
for
the
open
space
limits.
I'm
staff
took
a
look
at
a
couple
potential
Zoning
options
for
this
area
and
found
that
initial
zoning
of
residential
estate
would
be
most
appropriate
for
the
neighborhood
and
allow
the
most
number
of
properties
to
be
in
compliance
with
the
zones.
G
Some
of
the
unique
conditions
of
this
area
include
the
topography.
There's
a
pretty
significant
grade
change
across
the
neighborhood.
The
eastern
edge
of
the
neighborhood
includes
sunshine
Creek
and
its
associated
floodplain,
and
then
on.
The
western
edge
of
the
area
is
silver
like
ditch,
which
runs
through
150
green
rock.
The
existing
conditions
of
the
area
along
with
state
statutes
and
the
BBC
policies,
I'll
inform
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
annexation.
G
I'm
gonna
highlight
a
few
of
those
here,
but
everyone
received
copies
of
the
full
terms
and
conditions
in
your
packet.
So
some
of
the
key
terms
include
that
no
subs,
no
subdivision
of
lots
will
be
allowed
to
create
additional
Lots.
Only
one
principal
dwelling
unit
will
be
allowed
per
lot.
Any
property
that
is
located
within
the
conveyance
zone
will
be
required
to
dedicate
a
flood
control
easement
to
the
city,
to
connect
the
annexation
properties
to
city
water
service.
G
The
city
will
construct
new
water
mains,
which
will
be
financed
by
the
district
and
then,
as
with
all
annexations
in
the
city,
property
owners
are
obligated
to
pay
the
storm
storm
water
and
flood
plan
investment
fee.
However,
for
the
Knollwood
properties,
property
owners
will
have
two
options
for
payment.
The
first
option
allows
for
payment
in
full
and
then
the
second
option
offers
a
payment
plan
where
property
owners
can
pay
a
monthly
bill
over
a
10
year
period,
and
this
plan
includes
a
30%
service
charge
and
so
again
the
key
issues
to
discuss
tonight.
G
Our
first
is
the
proposed
annexation
with
state
statutes,
staff
reviewed
the
statutes,
the
petition
and
the
proposed
annexation
and
find
that
the
annexation
is
in
compliance
with
these.
The
second
issue
asks
you
to
identify
whether
the
annexation
is
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
policy.
G
G
D
Yes,
I'll
start
off
by
just
asking
a
couple
of
questions
about
the
zoning
there.
I
guess
most
of
the
Lots
are
actually
within
the
they
couldn't
be
subdivided
anyway
in
residential
estate.
The
only
one
I
could
really
see
that
was
above
30,000
square
feet
was
the
150,
and
that
one
also
is.
The
agreement
is
no
subdivision
after
annexation,
as
well
I
just.
G
D
D
Okay,
yeah,
those
Lots
would
be
pretty
small
for
our
one.
Everything
would
be
out
of
conformance,
I,
think
and
then
the
related
to
that.
Do
we
have
any
idea.
Is
there
a
reasonable
amount
of
conformance
or
are
there
some
setback,
non-conformance
--is?
That
will
be
there?
Do
you
have
an
idea
of
the
kind
of
the
amount
of
don
conformance
that
we
might
be
looking
at
you.
G
D
G
A
C
G
H
H
C
E
E
150
Green
Rock
has
a
share
of
silver
like
ditch
rights,
and
so
we'll
follow
the
silver
like
ditch
settlement
agreement
that
the
city
has
with
the
ditch,
which
means
which
says
that,
at
the
time
of
annexation,
a
property
owner
can
either
sell
their
water
rights
to
the
city
at
fair
market
value,
or
they
can
sign
of
write
a
first
refusal
that,
whenever
the
property
transfers
outside
of
its
nuclear
family,
that
then
the
city
has
a
right
to
purchase
the
water
rights
at
that
time.
Okay,.
I
E
A
C
Just
to
follow
up
on
the
on
the
water
on
the
wells
and
so
on,
I
understand
that
the
city
doesn't
see
any
particular
use
in
its
water
management
plan
for
those
wells,
but
are
they
then
going
to
be
abandoned
or
what
is
their
legal
fate?
Because
one
could
imagine
that
those
Wells
be
sold
and
you
for
others,
some
other
water
supply
purpose
that
could
ultimately
affect
the
city.
C
C
B
You
so
I'm
just
gonna
follow
up
so
are
there
no
fungible
water
rights
that
are
associated
with
those
wells?
Are
they
or
they
all
the
exempt
wells,
or
is
there
nothing
that
we
can
use
to
put
more
water
rights
in
our
portfolio,
which
you
know
we
can
do
under
the
growing
cities
doctrine?
Is
that
why
we're
not
pursuing
a
transfer
of
those
rights
because
they
don't
exist?
What
do
you
understand
what
the
issue
is?
Yeah.
E
H
Attorney
either
I
think
our
staff
are,
then
we
worked
with
with
the
city's
water
rights
attorney
and
and
city
water
staff,
and
they
looked
at
all
of
the
water
rights
that
exist
and
and
they
determined
that
this
was
the
best
cause
of
action.
I
think
they
wanted
that
water
to
stay
in
the
ground
and
it
automatic
reek.
Okay,.
B
I
mean
I
I
generally
would
defer
to
you
know.
A
water
rights
attorney
has
really
looked
at
all
that
water,
and
you
know,
if
there's
no
paper
decree,
that
it
was
demo
his
tryst
that
they
can
sell
to
us
or
give
to
us
as
part
of
the
annexation.
Maybe
that
was
why
they
came
to
that
determination,
but
it
would
be
nice
to
know
more
specifically
how
that
occurred.
C
C
E
E
D
Alaska
done
the
process
question,
so
the
alternative
to
doing
it
by
election
I
guess
is
to
get
a
majority
of
the
property
owners
to
submit
the
petition,
and
then
you
can
actually
do
it
without
the
election.
So
the
election
process
is
that
done
in
conjunction
with
a
regular
election
like
in
November.
Do
you
actually
do
it
separately
so
go
ahead.
G
E
It'll
be
its
own
special
election,
and
if
we
did
not
do
this
annexation
by
election,
100%
of
the
property
owners
would
need
to
sign
the
organization's
petition,
and
so
this
is
really
because
they
we
have
to
replace
the
entire
water
system.
It's
really
an
all-or-nothing
annexation,
which
is
why
we're
using
the
procedures
by
election.
Great.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
H
Want
to
follow
up
on
the
question
about
those
paths
and
and
I,
don't
know
where
those
paths
are
but
generally
upon
annexation.
If
there
is
a
public
access,
easement
or
right-of-way,
even
if
it
was
to
the
county
upon
annexation,
those
would
then
be
to
the
city.
So
if
such
an
easement
exists,
if
it's
not
currently
already
dedicated
to
the
public
and
within
the
city,
then
it
the
status
shouldn't
change
with
annexation,.
B
D
G
I
think
one
of
the
reasons
that
there
is
nothing
specific
related
to
traffic
control
in
the
agreement
is
that
it
may
need
to
change
at
some
point
in
the
future,
and
we
would
have
to
come
back
and
amend
that
agreement.
But
we
have
communicated
with
the
neighborhood
what
the
different
traffic
control
devices
that
we
will
be
replacing
or
putting
a
new
will
be
as
part
of
the
construction
project
and
the
annexation.
Okay,.
D
G
G
D
D
K
Should
be
yep,
it
looks
like
there's
green
Oh
mark
showing
awesome
with
the
Norwood
metropolitan
district,
and
so
what
I
wanted
to
do
real
quickly
was
just
kind
of
touch
through
a
few
things
mostly
give
you
context
of
how
we
got
here.
You
know
we're
kind
of
at
a
point
where
we've
negotiated
lots
of
things,
but
Cindy.
K
But
the
the
whole
path
to
get
here
is
I
think
pertinent
to
to
the
in
decision,
so
we
started
up
just
being
a
water
district
and
we
became
a
metropolitan
district
in
order
to
provide
additional
services,
so
primarily
Road
services,
our
roads
back
and
especially
in
the
floods
of
2013,
for
me
now
very
impacted
in
some
areas.
So
that
was
one
reason
in
that
timeframe
that
we
became
a
metropolitan
district
and
also
the
whole
financing.
K
We
realize
everything
is
going
to
be
very
expensive,
didn't
realize
how
expensive,
but
we
realized
we
needed
to
be
able
to
fund
it
also
so,
but
we
were
also
planning
at
that
time
to
stay
within
boulder
county
and
then
a
few
things
have
changed
since
then.
The
the
rains,
the
municipal
ization
initiatives
there
were
some
daily
camera
articles
kind
of
stir
this
all
up
and
in
that's
kind
of
lead
to
a
point
where
also
the
sunshine
Canyon
fire.
Recently,
all
these
things
kind
of
led
us
down
this
path
of
trying
to
figure
out.
K
You
know:
do
we
have
another
option
and
that
option
is
presented
itself
with
both
the
the
blue
line,
moving
and
moving
from
area
3
to
2,
so
that
is
kind
of
giving
us
at
least
a
line
of
sight
to
being
annexed
into
Boulder
and
hopefully
then
resolving
or
you
know,
purvey
providing
to
our
residents,
water
and
road
service,
water
services
and
roads.
So
that's
kind
of
the
you
know
the
how
its
evolved
over
the
last,
probably
10
years
or
so,
and
then
along
the
way.
You
know
before
the
annexation
things
even
apparent.
K
We
had
to
go
through
the
you
know
being
able
to
provide
funding
for
this,
and
so
we
have
already,
you
know
essentially
taxed
ourselves
and
that's
how
we
get
to
that
point
where
we
can
pay
for
the
whole
project
for
the
most
part,
not
the
whole
project,
but
you
know
that
huge
portion
of
it
so,
but
along
the
way
there
are
different
residents
that
have
different
opinions.
It's
not
like.
K
Have
you're
kind
of
a
list
of
what
we
think
are
benefits
to
Boulder
number
one
is
we're
paying.
Most
of
you
know,
trying
to
update
everything,
we're
willing
to
pay
the
tax
base,
the
pith
payments.
You
know
many
of
the
residents.
Of
course
there
are
resident,
or
you
know
they
have
businesses
in
Boulder
or,
let's
just
faith
lots
of
things
within
Boulder
I.
Think
one
of
the
key
things
here,
though,
is
the
fire
protection
on
the
western
border
and,
of
course,
that
the
to
the
2017
sunshine
Canyon
fire
was
really
highlighted.
K
That
now
you
know
the
success
or
the
lack
of
destruction
to
private
property
is
probably
more
due
to
all
the
efforts
with
the
intergovernmental
agencies,
working
together
to
figure
out
and
mitigate
fire
over
the
previous
years,
leading
up
to
that
point.
But
you
know
we
the
whole
process
that,
right
now,
if
we
had
a
fire
today,
we'd
have
to
get.
You
know
somebody
there
would
be
a
connection
from
the
Boulder
Water
District
into
into
the
null-void
distribution
system
and
it's
cumbersome.
It
just
doesn't
make
sense.
K
So
we
think
all
the
residents
I
think
would
agree
that
the
increased
fire
protection
on
the
western
border
is
probably
the
you
know,
one
of
the
biggest
unintended
benefits
that
has
come
apparent
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
of
course,
connection
to
the
city
water
system
instead
of
well
used.
We
have
very
hard
water
and
would
like
to
not
have
a
hard
water,
and
you
know
also
there's
a
little
piece
that
may
not
be
apparent,
but
they
know
what
annexation
would
reduce
cost
to
the
municipal
ization
effort.
K
We
believe
I
mean
we
don't
we're
not
part
of
that.
The
details
on
that.
But,
but
that's
that's
something
we
believe
is
true,
and
you
know,
of
course,
being
consistent
with
all
the
different
policies
and
statutes.
That's
that's
that's
kind
of
a
no-brainer,
so
this
is
we've
had
many
different
meetings
over
time.
Probably
I
should
have
counted
that
I
would
say:
we've
had
10
to
15
meetings
with
our
neighbors
over
time.
K
This
is
what
we
presented
just
a
couple
weeks
ago,
and
we
had
you
know
we
had
city
staff
there
participating
and
helping
us,
and
that
was
actually
a
huge
benefit
to
have
those
guys
there
to
you
know
present
things
and
that'd
be
scary,
Boulder.
You
know
that
that
was.
That
was
great,
so
this
is
kind
of
the
timeline
we'd
we'd
outlined
to
people
we're
really
over
here
on
the
left-hand
side,
there's
going
to
be
things
happening
between
now
and
and
hopefully
the
end
we
hope
to
get
the
design
started
very
soon.
K
I
should
mention
that
that
design
starts
not
gated
by
really
having
City
Council
approve
again.
We
need
to
do
this
design
work
anyway,
so
before
we
would
actually
be
the.
What
do
you
call
it?
The
the
final
vote
in
the
summer
vide
City
Council,
which
is
kind
of
the
timeline,
we're
thinking
we're
going
to
start
to
design,
because
we
would
have
to
go
down
either.
K
We're
gonna
have
to
do
the
same
amount
of
work
if
we
go
down
the
annexation
path
or
the
stay
as
is
path
so
yeah
and
I
wanted
to
mention
a
few
things
that
are
kind
of
some.
You
know
on
residents,
Minds
mean
there
will
be.
There
could
be
some
people
that
will
be
talking
tonight,
but
these
are
kind
of
the
key
things
that
come
up
in
discussions
as
I
mentioned,
the
fire
protections,
a
big
benefit,
the
increase,
there's
a
increase
in
number
of
fire
hydrants
from
four
to
over
ten
and
the
water
pressure.
K
K
K
Those
are
the
things
that
the
the
residents
have
mentioned
in
just
in
summary,
you
know
we've
had
over
the
last,
how
many
months,
but
you
know
many
months-
we've
had
a
lot
of
constructive
negotiations
and
discussions
with
solar
city
staff,
and
we
think
that
the
result
is
that
that
the
olwood
is
going
to
stay
like
it
is
now.
So
you
know,
for
example,
at
one
point
there
was
curbs
and
gutters
and
streetlights
discussed,
and
you
know
that's
that's
not
where
we
ended
up
that.
K
C
K
C
K
C
K
H
A
I
M
L
J
L
Immediately
following
connection
of
this
is
the
current
draft
of
the
IGA,
which
seems
to
be
approved
by
both
the
Metro
district
board,
which
they're
meeting
next
week
and
by
the
City
Council,
but
it
currently
provides
that
the
district
shall
abandon
such
water
rights
in
accordance
with
Colorado
law.
The
district
will
vacate
or
sign
easements
of
the
district
is
directed
by
the
city.
This
video,
the
district
owns
alluvial
groundwater
rights
and
the
city
waives
its
right
to
purchase
such
water
rights.
The
district
will
abandon
such
rights
and
as
in
accordance
with
Colorado
law
and.
K
I
No
mark
I
wanted
to
ask
you
a
question,
but
yeah
I
was
reading
them
me
annexation
agreement
and
the
packet,
and
it
addressed
the
roofs,
and
you
know,
Boulder
has
an
ordinance
where
all
the
roofs
had
to
be
replaced
by
this
by
actually
last
year's,
though
from
wood
shingles
to
some
kind
of
composition
or
metal,
but
do
many
people
in
know
would
have
wood
roofs.
We.
G
M
A
Are
there
any
more
questions
for
the
applicant
all
right?
Thank
you
now,
it's
time
for
the
public
participation
portion.
So
if
you
have,
if
you'd
like
to
make
comments
on
this
item-
and
you
haven't
signed
up
with
Cindy
yet
please
sign
up
and
and
then
she'll
add
you
to
the
list.
So
I
just
have
three
folks
signed
up
here:
Lester
wall,
Pamela,
Dennis
and
then
Barry
bear
so
the
first
one
is
Lester
wall
yeah,
it's
okay
with
me:
I!
Don't
care
what
order
there.
As
long
as
we
have
your
information,
that's
fine!
N
Very
very
live
at
two
to
65:
NOLA
Drive.
You've
been
a
resident
Norwood
for
the
last
ten
years,
I'm
also
a
treasurer
of
the
metropolitan
district
and
have
been
treasurer
for
the
last
ten
years.
Since
the
house
I
bought
the
treasurer,
he
was
treasurer
and
they
said
well,
if
you
coming
in,
you
have
to
be
the
treasurer,
so
I
did
I'm
a
CPA.
So
it's
all
right
to
answer
your
question
on
the
path.
N
N
Okay,
but
that's
all
it
is,
is
a
social
path,
but
the
owner
of
299,
green
rock,
is
at
this
point,
we'll
leave
it
as
is,
but
he
does
own
the
property
for
that
piece
of
land,
okay
and
and
that's
why
it's
not
addressed
separately
in
the
agreement,
because
it's
a
homeowner's
property
he's
choosing
to
allow
people
to
use
that
path
at
the
rate
that
we
currently
have.
We
don't
want
it
to
increase
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
as
a
member
of
the
board,
we
do
support
the
annexation.
N
We
think
it's
the
best
result,
and
one
of
the
reasons
is
we
do.
The
main
reason
is
we
want
Boulder,
water
or
water
that
Boulder
water
has
three
grains
of
hardness.
Ours
is
at
80,
and
most
homes
have
to
have
reverse
osmosis
systems
at
some
portion
of
their
house,
and
that
would
be
a
saving
to
each
person
there
and
that's
if
there
any
questions.
Otherwise,
that's
all
I
have
to
say:
okay.
J
O
Lester
wah
one
one:
five
green
RAC,
Drive
I
have
been
an
old
wood
resident
for
33
years
and
in
2017
there
were
embers
coming
right,
close
to
my
house.
That
really
freaked
me
out
I'm
very
concerned
about
fire
protection.
I
have
done
the
wild,
whatever
the
wildlife
wildfire
prevention
thing
in
my
home,
but
it's
very
scary,
because
I've
been
evacuated
three
times
since
I've
been
in
a
norwood
resident.
So
the
idea
of
having
more
fire
hydrants
in
the
neighborhood
is
a
very
reassuring
concept.
O
For
me,
I
think
the
differences
in
pressures
in
the
two
systems
is
really
challenging.
I
think
we
will
have
more
fires.
That
seems
a
likely
thing.
We've
had
three
already
the
last
one
was
really
close,
so
fire
protection
is
a
big
issue
for
me
and
it's
part
of
the
reason
I'm
supporting
the
annexation
I
think
it's
a
very
good
question
to
ask:
why
are
we
willing
to
spend
all
this
money?
Well,
we're
gonna
spend
money,
we
have
a
sustainable.
You
know
we
have
a
water
system.
That's
all
we
have
to
change
it.
O
We
have
to
do
a
lot
of
stuff
with
it.
The
cost
there
are
uncertain.
We
are
very
encouraged.
I
was
by
Dan
the
utilities
manager
the
way
he
looked
at
things.
It
was
a
very
comforting
way
that
I
think
he
would
work
getting
us
onto
city
water,
which
is
going
to
be
a
very
complicated
thing
and
I
also
want
to
say,
because
no
one
on
the
board
will
say
this,
that
they've
been
working
their
asses
off
and
it's
a
volunteer
position
and
I.
O
Just
don't
think
that's
a
sustainable
position
either
we'd
have
to
go
forward
and
the
board
would
be
spending
a
lot
of
time
with
what
we
have
to
do
with
our
water
system
to
make
it
circular
and
update
it
to
modern
standards,
so
I
just
want
to
say
as
a
resident
I'm
very
supportive
of
anti-seize
great.
Thank
you
questions.
O
P
Hello,
I'm,
Pamela,
Dennis
I
live
at
to
195
Knollwood
Drive
I've
lived
in
Boulder
for
40
years
25
years
in
Norwood,
neighborhood
I'm
in
favor
of
the
annexation,
but
I
have
to
admit
I
have
an
alter,
alter
ear
motive.
20
years
ago
my
husband
was
asked
to
serve
on
the
Knollwood
Water
District.
He
was
asked
to
keep
the
water
system
in
good
mechanical
operation
for
20
years.
A
B
A
M
I'm
also
a
resident,
and
my
name
is
Pat
Pat
philipson,
265,
Brookside,
court
and
I
just
want
to
speak
a
quick
moment
about
the
path
because
I
have
more
interested
in
than
some
of
them,
because
we
live
close
to
it
but
and
I'm,
also
in
there
for
50
years
and
the
path
originated
because
of
the
vacation
of
the
third
Street
and
was
opened
as
a
pedestrian
equestrian
right
away
along
the
creek.
And
it
also
extended
into
no
wood
on
the
early
plots.
M
M
M
C
C
M
The
third
street
was
vacated,
they,
the
city,
took
responsibility
for
the
third
street
and
they
established
a
right
away,
which
was
open
for
the
equestrian
pedestrian
bike
use,
and
it
goes
all
along
the
creek
actually.
But
in
the
present
case
it
goes
to
a
certain
spot
and
then
goes
east-west
as
Barry
was
mentioning.
M
It
goes
through
some
sort
of
no-man's
land,
which
was
first
established
as
a
right-of-way
through
the
original
owners
of
that
property,
and
then
it
was
removed
because
it
moved
past
their
house
and
was
placed
and
another
spot
that
goes
up
the
hill,
and
so
it's
it's
a
little
bit
murky
about
that
land.
It's
an
outlet,
that's
next
to
the
house
that
Barry
described,
and
so,
but
it
is
used
by
many
pedestrians
and
some
bikes.
Thank.
A
M
And
I
have
that
documentation
from
the
lady
in
the
in
the
county
planning
office,
which
I'd
be
happy
to
I,
just
haven't
even
shared
that
out.
I
just
looked
into
it
and
got
some
note
notification
because
we're
interested
in
putting
a
little
pathway
railing
there,
because
it's
dangerous
in
the
winter
right.
So.
A
I
Crystal
can
I
ask
a
question
of
Chris.
Today
I
was
looking
at
the
transportation
side.
I
couldn't
find
the
little
path
named
anywhere
or
even
identified,
but
you
mentioned
the
transportation
network
plan
or,
if
sat
on
the
city
website,
it.
E
Is
so
if
you
go
to
the
easiest
way
to
find
it
is
go
to
the
main
city
web
page,
you
go
to
the
maps
page
and
then,
if
you
look
at
all
maps,
there's
one
that's
the
transportation
master
plan
and
that's
where
it
shows
the
existing
all
the
transportation
connections
and
underpasses,
as
well
as
all
of
the
proposed
ones
that
have
been
identified
on
different
areas
and
then
through
our
GIS
mapping.
I
just
pulled
up
to
confirm
the
easements.
E
Maybe
it's
not
over
there,
but
we
can
see
it
over
here.
Sometimes
that
TV
doesn't
like
us,
so
you
can
see
the
path.
Connection
comes
from
Spruce
Street
coming
north
here
and
then
see
this
green
highlighted
little
hatched
area
mm-hmm.
That's
the
public
access
easement
then
connects
up
to
the
street.
So.
E
C
A
A
A
C
A
C
Disclosure,
a
disclosure
yeah,
and
that
is
that
I-
have
had
professional
dealings
with
the
attorneys
firm
previously
and
water
management
matters
and
I've
also
dealt
with
this
previously,
when
I
was
on
the
County
Planning
Commission
in
various
aspects
and
I'm,
a
shareholder
in
the
Silver
Lake,
ditch,
which
goes
through
the
area
of
concern,
but
I
think
none
of
those
prevent
me
from
being
able
to
act
fairly
and
impartially
in
this
matter.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you
great
all
right.
We
have
our
key
issues
up
the
first
one
is
the
proposed
annexation
consistent
with
state
statutes
pertaining
to
annexation
of
a
property
in
the
city
of
Boulder
and
I.
Think
I'll
do
the
negative
polling
with
this
to
see.
Does
anyone
disagree
with
that
with
the
consistency
of
the
proposed
annexation,
with
state
statutes
pertaining
to
annexation
over
property
in
the
city
of
Boulder,
I,
agree.
A
H
I
This
is
the
stray
that's
been
here,
so
we
took
lucky
to
the
Humane
Society
and
they
asked
us
if
we
would
board
for
the
little
puppy
yeah
lucky.
So
you
know
where
that
ends
up.
You
never
board
a
public,
and
that
was
our
first
Labrador
and
Boulder
lucky.
So
I
have
a
great
affection
for
the
little
path
and
no
wood.
B
It
was
literally
shaggy
dog
story,
I
like
to
just
commend
staff
on
digging
up
the
the
old
staff
report
from
the
70s
and
figuring
out
that
this
is
the
first
annexation
election
that
we've
handled
in
40
years
and
coming
up
with
a
process
for
that,
because
we've
I've
never
dealt
with
an
annexation
election
on
planning
board
in
three
years
and
and
I
now
know
why?
Because
nobody
has
for
40
years,
so
I'm
good
luck
with
coming
up
with
the
right
way
to
vote
and
all
the
other
things
you
still
have
to
resolve.
A
Yeah
I'm
definitely
gonna
support
this,
especially
for
the
fire
protection
aspect
of
it.
I
do
agree
with
the
comments
from
the
public
that
there
will
be
more
fires,
and
this
is
a
dangerous
situation
and
you
need
to
have
good
water
pressure
to
supply
your
hydrants
and
there's
a
lot
of
community
just
east
of
this
development.
That's
vulnerable,
so
I
think
it's
a
really
good
thing
to
get
this
into
the
city
and
get
it
on
city,
water
and
get
the
city
fire
protection
involved.
So
anybody
else
have
any
comments.
I'll.
D
Just
I
just
didn't
really
thrilled
to
see
this
I
love
this
neighborhood,
it's
it's
it'll,
be
wonderful
to
have
it
as
part
of
Boulder
and
and
I'll.
Just
echo
some
of
Harmons
comments.
It
was
interesting
to
actually
go
and
click
over
and
read
part
of
the
Colorado
Constitution
as
part
of
the
research
into
this.
So
the
first
time
I've
gone
to
read
part
of
the
Constitution
in
preparation
for
a
meeting.
A
C
One
comment
I
think
somebody,
perhaps
the
applicant
suggested
that
this
would
lead
to
better
snow
plowing
arrangements
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
that's
a
valid
conclusion.
My
perception
is
that
this
is
not
a
major
road
and
that
it
may
not
be
plowed
as
early
as
Broadway
or
other
main
arterials
in
the
city
and
I'm
aware
that
the
county
has
different
plowing
arrangements,
that
in
the
city
and
so
I
I
wouldn't
have
too
high
expectations
on
that
front.
A
I
D
B
H
A
Q
Q
E
There's
council
members
appointed
to
that
as
well
as
planning
board
members
and
so
Carl
just
wanted
to
check
in
and
get
those
appointments,
because
we're
at
the
point
where
we
want
to
check
in
with
that
subcommittee.
So
it's
up
to
the
board
if
you'd
like
to
appoint
members
now
or
if
you
do
want
to
wait
until
after
the
board
and
Commission
appointments,
we
can
do
that
as
well,
but
Carl
wanted
to
try
and
try
and
get
something
scheduled
sooner
rather
than
later.
Chris.
D
Although
we
did
just
have
the
two
public
meetings,
so
I
think
we'll
check
in
with
Andrew,
and
it's
it's
probable
that
the
subcommittee
will
meet
to
look
at
the
results
from
that
as
well,
but
yeah
as
the
chair
of
that
subcommittee
I'm,
you
know
I'd
be
interested
in
being
involved
as
well.
So
it
sounds
like
there's
quite
a
bit
of
interest.
N
E
Q
G
A
A
Well
sounds
like
everybody
sent
wants
to
do
it
so
I,
don't
want
I,
don't
know
about
having
a
vote
or
anything
let's.
What,
if
we
just
flip
a
coin,
is
that
a
reasonable
thing
to
do.
Q
A
A
I
Q
The
retreat
a
retreat-
and
we
have
now,
as
you
know,
haven't
scheduled
or
retreat
yet,
but
we're
in
the
midst
of
figuring
that
out
well.
I
A
D
A
B
A
Q
N
Q
J
To
know
if
anyone
else
of
the
five
of
us
are
interested
in
going
I'm
on
a
public
official
committee
this
year
and
that
doesn't
have
any
bearing
on
anyone's
decisions,
because
anyone
who
wants
to
go
put
their
hat
in
the
ring.
But
if
there's
spiritual
conflicts
and
people
can't
go,
then
I'll
work
with
Cindy
and
sort
out
a
few
issues
and
try
to
get
ahead
of
it.
As
we
get
the
new
board
members
and
make
sure
that
planning
is
done
appropriately.
So.
Q
A
J
A
J
I,
just
I'm
not
gonna,
take
any
other
spots
I'm
trying
to
find
out
over
the
five
people
who
be
on
Planning
Board
after
you
and
crystal
are
gone.
If
anyone
wants
to
go
or
has
a
scheduling
conflict,
that's
nice
make
a
plan
I'm
interested
okay.
There
you
go
and
you
have
precedent
over
me.
So
I'll
make
other
plans.
That's!
Okay!
All
I'm
trying
to
do
is
organize
my
calendar
and
I.
J
B
B
J
B
J
J
D
I
I
didn't
want
to
say:
I've
never
been
on
a
APA
trip
through
planning
board
professionally
I'd
gone
to
a
number
of
them.
The
ones
in
san
francisco
and
the
west
coast,
they're,
fabulous
and
I
was
waiting.
I
couldn't
go
to
Seattle
I
was
waiting
for
her
to
come
back
and
now
I'm
gonna
be
off
so
I
highly
recommend
I,
like
the
suggestion
to
reserve
some
rooms
or
figure
out
what
you
can
do.
Maybe
you
could
put
it
under
lists
of
my
name.
So
thank
you.
No!
I
B
For
planning
board
members
who
are
on
the
fence,
you
know
I've
only
been
to
two
APA
conferences
in
my
life
once
as
a
planner
and
once
as
a
planning
board
member-
and
you
know
in
both
cases
it's
just
it's
a
really
informative
experience
to
find
out
how
people
are
handling
planning
problems
and
challenges
and
other
jurisdictions
around
the
country.
So
you
know
that's
always
it
mind:
expanding
endeavor,
that's
worthwhile
I!
Think.
B
Can
you
come
back
to
polder
and
see
that
we
can
do
things
differently
here
or
we
are
already
doing
things
better
than
they're
doing
in
other
places,
but
it's
nice
to
have
perspective,
so
I
would
highly
encourage
everybody
to
go
at
some
point,
especially
because
the
city
is
so
generous
to.
Let
us
do
that
on
their
dime
I.
Q
I
C
C
Q
D
B
F
A
D
Q
A
G
F
C
J
J
I
Wanted
to
say
a
couple
things
and
I
want
to
thank
the
staff.
You
all
well,
you
know
Planning
Board
could
not
do
anything
without
you,
but
you
you're,
also
professional
and
your
presentations
are
so
well
thought
out
and
I
really
appreciate
it,
and
hella
I
really
really
appreciate
you,
because
you're
so
fast,
responding
and
I.
Just
read
this
book
appealing
for
justice
I'm
going
to
bring
a
copy
by
to
help
to
hella
and
I
hope.
You
read
it.
I
It's
a
wonderful
kind
of
history,
of
an
era
that
I
belong
to
and
what
went
on
with
all
the
civil
rights
struck
struggles
and
fair
housing,
and
then
it
was
really
centered
around
this
woman,
Jean
dubofsky
who's
about
the
resident,
who
was
a
state,
Supreme
Court
justice
and
took
amendment
to
the
appeal
of
amendment
two
to
the
US
Supreme
Court.
Well,
she
didn't
take
it.
I
There
were
some
plaintiffs
that
she
was
representing,
and
that
was
the
amendment
that
would
would
have
banned
cities
from
enacting
any
protections
for
gay
and
lesbian
members
of
their
city,
like
through
their
human
resource
department
and
Boulder,
was
a
party
to
that
suit
and
and
the
plaintiffs
prevailed,
and
luckily
we
don't
have
a
the
the
amendment
to
which
was
just
sort
of
codified
hate
in
this
state
was
overturned
thanks
to
the
work
of
older
residents
and
the
support
of
the
Boulder
City
Council
at
the
time.
But
it's
a
really
fascinating
story
and
you
love.
I
Would
really
appreciate
all
the
kind
of
legal
legal
maneuvering
that
went
on
but
and
I
also
want
to
say
when
I
got
on
planning
board,
there
was
one
woman
on
planning
board
and
that
was
Mary
young
and
she
was
the
chair
and
now
that
I
leave
planning
board
the
only
two
women
I've
served
with
were
Mary
young
and
Liz,
and
it's
fitting.
That
term
concludes
Liz's,
the
chair
that
we
that
they
were
two
wonderful
representatives
and
and
bookends
to
my
tenure
on
Planning
Board.
So
thank
you.
Thank
You,
Kristen.
A
No
I
really
enjoyed
my
time
here.
I've
been
on,
I
mean
I've,
been
on
boards
for
10
years
now,
and
learned
a
lot
and
maybe
I'll
come
back.
I
have
a
one
year
appointment
at
CU,
so
maybe
that
after
that's
over
but
I've
learned
so
much
from
all
of
you.
You've
all
got
talents
and
information
and
skills
that
I
don't
have
and
that
I've
been
able
to
lean
on
you
guys
and
rely
on
you
and
you've
been
so
great
and
gracious
and
really
a
nice
group
of
people
to
work
with
and
staff
Cindy.
A
So
great
I
wanted
to
say
when
I
first
started
on
these
city
boards,
I
just
I
came
on
just
loaded
for
bear,
you
know,
I
was
like
things
are
screwed
up
and
I'm
gonna
fix
it,
and
all
this
stuff
and
I
know
that
people.
You
know
your
next
group
of
people
may
be
the
same
way
and
you'll
have
to
straighten
them
out.
A
But
what
I've
learned
is
that
there
are
a
lot
of
folks
who
are
working
really
hard
in
the
city
and
they're
very
conscientious
and
they
have
integrity
and
they
definitely
don't
deserve
the
criticism
and
the
accusations
and
the
conspiracy
theories
and
they're
actually
really
good
people
and
yeah
and
I
I
wish.
Everybody
could
have
this
experience,
because
it's
really
valuable
I've
really
gotten
a
lot
out
of
it.
So.
F
B
Well,
you
know
as
much
as
you
deserve
the
last
word
I.
You
know.
After
serving
with
with
you
and
crystal
now
for
three
years
on
planning
word,
it
would
be
wrong
Amina,
let
you
bow
out
without
saying
some
nice
words
and
words
of
appreciation
for
both
of
you.
You
know
we
work
on
board
together
that
deals
with
contentious
issues.
There's
passion
out
there
and
there's
passion
up
here.
Disagreements
out
there
disagreements
up
here
the
fact
that
you
know
we
have
managed
to
dare
I
say
make
this
kind
of
fun.
B
It's
been
fun
for
me,
that
speaks
to
a
good
group
and
you
can't
have
a
good
group
if
they're
bad
eggs
in
that
group,
everybody
has
been
so
wonderful
and
and
your
your
leadership
some
great
this
here,
Liz
and-
and
you
know,
I
love
the
perspective
that
crystal
brings
to
everything
so
you'll
be
very
much
missed
and
I
just
wanted
to.
Thank
you.
Thank.