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6-3-21 City of Boulder Planning Board Meeting
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david
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he/him:.
Thank
you
for
that.
I
think
we're
getting
pretty
good
at
the
same
thing,
so.
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karl
guiler:,
for
in
lieu
contributions
to
what
is
a
new,
affordable
commercial
fund
and
then
consistent
with
the
goals
of
the
project
which
I'll
talk
about
we're,
proposing
new
modifications
to
unlimited
number
of
zones.
That
would
create
incentives
for
more
personally
affordable
housing
in
the
city.
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david
ensign,
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he/him:
and
carl,
and
you
see
appendix
j
there
there,
there
is
a
way
there
is
a
an
affordable,
housing.
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karl
guiler:,
you
know
how
can
fees
to
be
as
equivalent
as
possible
to
phase
one?
We
didn't
want
one
to
be
incentivized
over
the
other,.
You
know,
make
it
so
it's
easier
to
do
below
market
rate
easier
than
currently
affordable.
We
wanted
it
to
be
as
equivalent
as
possible
so
as
part
of
their
review.
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john
gerstle:
thank
you.
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david
ensign,
--,
he/him:
and
they'll.
Just
before
we
go
on
recognize
that
lisa
smith
is
joining
us,.
Thank
you
for
joining
me
and
we
knew,.
You
were
going
to
be
a
bit
late.
Tonight,.
Are
you
comfortable
with
joining
us
in
progress
and
relying
on
all
the
information
that
you've
reviewed
in
the
packet.
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sarah
silver:,
I
do
so
I
don't
know
if
I'm
going
to
ask
a
question
of
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h
and
of
carl
and
david.
Just
I'm
not
a
I'm,
not
a
developer.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
answer
the
question
in
a
language.
I
will
understand
dumb
it
down
for
me.
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karl
guiler:
stipulation
in
the
code
is
more
of
a
suburban
model
and
an
area
that,
if
you
read
the
conference
of
plan,
is
meant
to
become
you
know:
less
suburban
shopping
center
and
more
mixed
use
more
walkable
with
more
residential
units
on
upper
floor.
So
we
felt
it
was
appropriate
in
these
areas.
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karl
guiler:
projects
that
are
predominantly
almost
100%
permanently
affordable
that
are
done
by
affordable
agencies
like
boulder
housing
partners.
It's
really
targeted
to
those
types
of
projects
to
give
them
flexibility
to
locate
anywhere
in
the
city.
So
that's
why
this
particular
language
is
different.
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Pb,
john
gerstle:
okay,
thank
you.
pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
very
good
one.
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Pb
sarah
silver:
yes,,
I
have
another
question:
did
any
of
these
proposed
zoning
changes
go
through
any
sort,
of.
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Pb,
jorge
boone:,
there
could
be
circumstances
where
someone
would
have
to
pay
literally
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
to
build
out
the
space
for
themselves
and
they
may
not
have
the
same
negotiating
leverage,
as
someone
who's
paying
market
rate,.
It
does
not
seem
like
that's
contemplated
in
here.
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karl
guiler:,
applying
that,
from
a
legal
perspective
that
made
us
have
to
go
down
the
road
of
making
that
definition
a
little
bit
more
broad.
I
think
we
understood
that,
obviously
broadening
it
might
bring
in
a
bigger
net
of
of
uses
into
that
space.
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john
gerstle:
yeah.
Thank
you
further
on
on
this
question
of
how
much
demand
there
actually
is
for
for
the
space
that
might
be
created.
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Kari
palazzari
(she/her)
studio
arts
boulder:,
but
they're
still
major
gaps
and
contradictions
when
it
comes
to
nonprofits
in
our
organization,.
So
I
just
hope
that
you
would
take
another
stab
at
addressing
those,
hopefully
not
going
to
a
phase
three,
but
there's
still
more
work
to
be
done,.
Thanks.
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sarah
silver:
okay,,
so
I
want
to
start
by
saying
I'm
just.
I
really
appreciate
all
the
hard
work
and
I
am
highly
skeptical.
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sarah
silver:
a
cultural
center
of
cultural
hub
of
some
kind,
and
that
I
really
would
wish
that
that
had
been
a
sort
of
goal
in
mind
and
trying
to
think
through
a
mechanism
that
would
get
us
there
and
I'm
sorry
that
I
have
so
much
to
say,.
But
this
is,
as
you,
as
we
all
know,.
This
is
a
super
complex.
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lupita
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montoya:.
That
sort
of
thing
tells
me,
when
maybe
a
little
bit
short
sighted
and
I'm
not
even
bringing
out
some
of
the
other
things.
When
I'm
saying
you
know,
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
hear
from
communities,.
I
don't
usually
come
and
talk
to
us
about
how
they
will
think
this
will
affect
them.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
you
know,,
because
this
is
our
chance
to
tell
city
council
all
the
all
the
best
thoughts
that
we
have
around
this.
So
so,
why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
talk
about
the
zoning
and
I
won't
go
first.
This
time.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
but
but
I
don't
I
don't,
really
buy
that
if,
if
we
have
apartments
in
the
base
mar
the
meadows
or
the
or
the
diagnosis.
A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
area
that
that
those
are
going
to
turn
into
necessarily
low
density,
residential
neighborhoods
for
equity
reasons,.
I
think
that
those
are
areas
where
we're
going
to
have
more
if
we're,
if
we're
going
to
accommodate
more
density
where,
where,
where
they'll
start
to
crop
up.,.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
talking
about
whether
we
could
ever
get
to
an
agreed
recommendation
to
counsel,
or
we
could
move
on
to
issue
three
before
doing
that,.
But
let's,
let's
at
least
try
to
get
through
key
issues
wanting
to
first
in
full
discussion
and
then
we'll
decide
where
to
go
from
there,
sarah..
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john
gerstle:,
but
I
think
this
conversation
is
quite
relevant.
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jorge
boone:,
you
know,
tech
company
or
somebody
else,
supported
by
investors
might
find
that
very,
very
palatable
and
so
it's,.
How
do
we
tackle
that
equation
on
site
and
then,
as
it
relates
to,
because
I
think
I'm
very
supportive
of
that
idea
and
then
and
then,
as
it
relates
to
the
offer
him.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
by
carl
and
staff,,
and
so
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
councils
been
really
giving
a
lot
of
specific
direction
on
this,
and
I
think
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
that
those
additional
zoning
proposals
made
it
in
with
some
of
the
concerns
that
were
discussed
on
april
1.
So.
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david
ensign,
--
he/him:
one
would
go
into
effect
now
and
then
the
other
one
on
january
1
with
that
additional
and
then
maybe
that
would
give.
I
don't
know
six
months
to
a
month,,
maybe
enough
time
to
get
the
public
outreach
needed
to
and
the
additional
scrutiny
that
the
board
is
comfortable.
With.
A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:,
alright,,
so
yeah
I'm
inclined
to
try
to.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
well,,
so
I
mean
there
is
a
procedural
way
we
could.
We
could
deal
with
this.
A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
one
like
you,
know,
someone
who's.
I
I'm
pretty
you
know,.
Since
I've
been
looking
this
for
a
lot
of
years,,
I
feel
pretty
comfortable
putting
together,
I
I
would
be
comfortable
making
emotion
that
would
incorporate
a
couple
or
three
of
these
ideas
and
then
we
could
put
it
out
for
friendlies.
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jorge
boone:,
if
people
listen
to
us,,
you
know,,
maybe
next
time
around
we'd
have
a
unanimous
vote
to
move
forward
with
a
pilot
project
that
could
actually
be
something
bible
and
interesting
for
the
city.
Does
that
does
that
work
is,
that
is,
that
is,?
That
kind
of
what
you
were
suggesting
david
or
or.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
so
yeah
what
you're
describing
would
be
if,
if
we
voted
no,
I
mean
I.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
john.,
yeah.
pb,,
john
gerstle:.
I
think
your
idea
of
separating
these
into
three
separate
issues
is
good,
and
I
support
it
with
respect
to
panics
jay
I
am.
I
would
think
that
I
would
support
staff
recommendation
of
keeping
it
in
place
until
january
1
or
whatever
the
date
is.
That
was
proposed.
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C
Pb,
sarah
silver:
and-
and
so
there's
been
this
push
to
make
that
happen
in
combination
with
this
community,,
the
second
phase
of
community
benefit.
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C
Pb
sarah
silver:
okay,
so
hello,
will
you
magically
reappear.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:,
nonprofits,
arts
and
arts
organizations
and
thing
and
things
like
that,.
But
that
is
not
something
that
people
agree
with
so,
but
I
don't
really
agree
that
in
going
off
and
saying
just
because
we
don't
agree
that
this
proposal
is
right,.
We
now
are
going
to
engineer,
the
solution.
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Pb,
sarah
silver:,
you
keep
editorializing
that
we
think
this
is
like
this
is
going
to
be
horrible
for
boulder.
What
I'm
hearing
is
people
just
think.
It's
way
too
complex,
it's
not
going
to
actually
get
us
going.
We
say
we
want
that's
what
I'm
hearing
I'm
not
hearing.
Oh
my
god,,
this
has
been
a
disrupter.
A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
way.
These
guys
have
that
you
know
they
hired
because
you're
marching
to
do
a
full
analysis
of
it,
which
I've
read
every
piece
of
it,.
I
read
the
entire
ordinance,
it's
not
too
complex,
for
me,,
so
I
don't
agree
with
that,.
I
understand
the
land
use
code
use
complex
in
general,
repeater.
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Pb,
david
ensign
--
he/him:
okay,,
so
I
don't
have
emotion
in
front
of
the
board.
Yet.
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A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:,
okay,
so
I'll
get
a
roll
call.
Peter.
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pb,
david
ensign
--
he/him:,
so
I
guess
I'm
I
mean
I'm
okay
voting
for
that,,
but
I
really
I'm
I've
been
going
to
vote
no
on
on
opposing
the.
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A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
that
would
be
in
the
scope
of
the
third
option,
is
my
understanding,,
where
we
would
address.
This
is
doesn't
have
anything
on
the
affordable
commercial
aspect.
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A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:,
so
yeah,
so
hello,
wouldn't.
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sarah
silver:
go
keys.
I
I
left
out
the
opportunity
to
run
a
pilot,
sorry
about
that.
A
A
A
C
Q
Pb
sarah
silver:
and
then
planning
board
supports.
C
U
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
please.
If,
if
other
people
like
this
morning,,
let
me
propose
it
first
so,
however,,
we
are
concerned
with
the
proposal
brought
to
us,.
I
think
it
should
be
as
sensitive
as
or
no
brought
as
not
to
what
are
you
trying
to
say,
there,
however,.
We
had
concerns
with
the
proposal.
Brought.
U
pb,
lisa
smith:
got
it
and
then
we
need
to
add
the
word
as
after
us.
F
C
C
H
H
H
Pb
sarah
silver:
and
pb,
jorge
boone:.
There
was
an
acknowledgement
that
we're
going
to
get
a
very
modest
amount
of
space
for
this
and
that
and
that
that
stafford,
even
mentioned,,
you
know
frame
this
as
an
incentive
for
people
to
develop,.
So
I
guess
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
get
to
in
a
very
simple
way.
H
H
H
C
C
H
A
C
H
H
C
H
C
H
C
C
A
A
A
C
C
C
C
N
A
C
H
C
H
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
N
V
C
Pb
sarah
silver:,
you
okay,
so
so
at
so,
can
we
add
in
minority
owned
businesses.
W
W
W
W
V
V
V
V
A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:,
yeah,
the
pm
and
I'll
just
can
I
add,
on
to
what
the
pt
just
said.
This
is
when
that
would
really
concern
me.
Because.
A
A
A
A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:
and
so
the
other
side
of
the
coin
yeah.
We
could
look
at
it
in
this
as
a
cynical
way
that
they're
going
to
be
these
sort
of
shell
companies
with
investors,
but
but
but
actually
there
are
a
lot
of
nuts
and
bolts
businesses
out
there
that
don't
fit
into
these
categories.
C
W
Hella
pannewig
assistant
city
attorney:,
one
of
the
qualifying
community
benefit,
uses
his
businesses
providing
inclusive
and
affordable
goods
and
services,
targeted
to
meet
the
needs
of
low
income
residents.
Are
minorities
right,
community
members
whose
needs
have
been
identified
and
the
retail
strategy
okay,
so
it.
C
C
A
A
C
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
U
Pb,
lisa
smith:
on
I'll,
say
I
haven't
decided
yet
exactly
how
I'm
going
to
vote
on
it,.
I
guess
we'll
have
to
suck
shortly
there's
stuff
in
here
that
I
agree
with
and
then
there's
also
stuff
in
here
that
I
don't
agree
with,.
I
suppose,
abstaining
is.
U
U
H
H
H
V
Pb,
lupita
d,
montoya:
yes,
yes,.
I
think
that
I
feel
much
better
like
this,,
because
I
have
certainly
regretted
voting
in
favor
of
things
that
I
really
didn't
like
in
the
past,.
So
I
am
made
a
commitment
not
to
go
there,,
and
so
I
think
this
buying
a
little
bit
more
time
with
a
little
more
detail.
On.
V
C
C
A
A
C
V
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:.
Obviously
the
board
didn't
feel
that
it
was
ready.
So
with
that,
let's
go
to
the
matters.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
C
W
W
W
F
Pb,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:
nolan
me
okay,.
Thank
you.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
you
know
any
debrief
anybody.
Anybody
have
any
comments
on
this
movie
and
I
know
it's
a
tough
one,
but.
H
V
V
V
V
V
V
A
A
A
A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:
mm,
alright
great,
so
that's
debrief
and
then
calendar
checks
me
anything.
We
should
know.
I
I
A
J
A
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
it's
like
it's
a
training
for
boards
and
commissions,
member
of
people
that
this
city
put
together,
so.