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and
if
you
got
a
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zoom,
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right,
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chris
hagelin:
and
with
that,
that
concludes
our
presentation,,
and
these
are
the
questions
that
we
have
for
you,.
I
know
that
we
have
those
in
your
packet
in
case
people
want
to
look
at
each
other
instead
of
small
photos
and
looking
at
just
the
slide.
So
these
are
the
questions
we
have
for
you,
tonight.
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smith:
yeah,
so
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
I'll
just
start
with
one.
I
was
curious,
so
I'm
definitely
pro
graduated
finds
as
wonder.
If
you
could.
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sarah
silver:
it's
more
of
a
question
than
a
comment.
I'm
just
not
sure
I'm
getting
the
equity
component
here,
the
the
the
the
large
jump.
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smith:
yeah.
I
was
just
looking
at
the
impeding
other
traffic
choices
and
I
guess,
something
I
wanted
to
offer
that
around
equity
and
sewn
is
that
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
follow.
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david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
so
getting
this
tool
more
nimble
and
getting
us
able
to
know
at
concept
review
time
that
we'd,
like
to
see
an
mvp
worked
out
by
site
review
would
be
something
quite
interesting,.
I
think,,
because
it
would
really
help.
People
know
that,
thanks
to
me,
manage
want
to
come
in
and
that's
here.
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sarah
silver:,
the
the
I
hadn't,
realized
that
the
neighborhood
itself
had
to
participate
or
or
call
for.
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david
ensign,
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he/him:,
great.,
pb,,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:
and
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
unless,
if
somebody
else
wants
to
raise
their
hand,,
some
other
comments
that
I
had
where
the
technology,
the
you
can
open
up
lots
of
doors
for
some
pretty
interesting
things
that
could
make
it
parking
a
lot
easier
for
people.
Qr
codes
license
plate,
recognition.
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lisa
smith:,
okay
cool,
I
mean
this
is
such
a
suite
of
changes
already
see.
I
want
to
say
push
for
that
now,,
but
I
would
say
just
continue
to
do
and
I'm
sure
you're
already
doing,,
which
is
collecting
data
on
how
parked
up
stuff
is
past
7pm
and
then
maybe
build
it
into
later
changes.
If
warranted.
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david
ensign,
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he/him:
seconds
there
for
sure
we
appreciate
it,,
I
so
with
that.
Let's
I
don't
really
have
any
more
hands.
I
don't
think
we
do
for
public
comment.
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Cob,
elaine
mclaughlin:
so,,
as
the
chair
described
it's
a
concept
plan
reviews,
so
it's
intended
to
just
provide
the
applicant
comments,
both
from
city
staff
and
members
of
the
public,,
as
well
as
planning
board
and
possibly
city
council.
If
they
want
to
call
it
up,,
we
look
at
a
general
development
plan,
that.
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Cob,
elaine
mclaughlin:
so,
then,
for
key
issue
number
two
at
concept.
Plan
staff
and
planning
board
are
expected
to
provide
provide
some
feedback
to
the
applicant
on
their
plans
and
staff.
Noted
in
the
memo
that
the
proposed
configuration
of
those
streets
is
in
keeping
with
both
that
you
will
like
top
recommended.
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david
ensign,
--
he/him:.
It's
always
best
to
make
sure
that
you
are
posing
a
question,
so
that
we
can
save
our.
You
know
comments
for
later
and
that'll
make
best
use
of
our
time,
and
that's
just
as
much
for
me
as
anyone
else.
So
without
I
saw
george's
hand
and
I
saw
serious
hands
so
interesting.
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Cob,
elaine
mclaughlin:
yeah
and
that
could
be,.
But
again
I
point
to
our
comp
plan.
It
does
utilize
that
terminology,
and
I
think
the
intent
is
to
be
something
that's
provided
not
for
a
retiree
or
not
for
luxury,,
but
for
those
who
are
in
the
workforce
and
there's
a
huge
spectrum
of
those
in
the
workforce,
but.
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sarah
silver:,
so
I
have
some
questions
that
have
to
do
with
open
space.
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Cob,
elaine
mclaughlin:.
The
code
also
says
that
to
efficiency
living
units
essentially
equals
one
dwelling
unit
for
purposes
of
calculating
things
like
open
space
or
parking.
Or
what
have
you
so
so?
Yeah,
that's
equivalent
to
to
to
to
efficiency
living
units
are
equivalent
to
one
dwelling
unit,
so
you're
correct.
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Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy,
group:
pedestrian,
walkability,
a
lot
of
transparency,
neighborhood,
retail,
and
so
the
as
bill
mentioned.
Those
were
kind
of
the
first
key
elements
that
we
laid
out,.
This
is
a
view
of
the
open
space
shared
open
space
amenity.
So
the
idea
is
that
is
it
shared
with
the
whole
community?
It's
also.
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Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy,
group:,
here's
another
view
of
the
first
floor
architecture
and
you
can
see
lots
of
transparency,
great
articulation
and
a
lot
of
walkability.
That
does
not
exist
today,
anywhere
on
the
site.
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Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy,
group:
another
streetscape
and
showing
that
really
wonderful
landscaping
along
the
street
and
all
the
amenities,
and
people
that
already
live
in
the
neighborhood
that
are
excited
to
have
a
place
to
walk
to
you
and
visit.
So
that's
it
for
our
presentation.
Bill,.
Do
you
have
any
final
words.
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Jarvie
worcester
tcr:
there
were
bartenders
and
waiters
and
staff
at
that
restaurant
that
occupied
uniontown
in
our
multifamily
project.
So
that
happens
regularly.
It
happened
actually
other
projects
in
in
in
the
low
high
neighborhood.
So
we
see
that
very
typically
and
often
we
we
see
retail
tenants
negotiate.
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jorge
boone:,
what
I
am
concerned
about
in
boulder
is
us,
putting
a
lot
of
tiny
email
us
and
smaller
units
in
place.
And,
ultimately,,
you
know
getting
getting
in
people
that
are
that
are
young
and
and
and
want
to
work
in
the
city
and
have
roles,
but
then,
as
they
go
through
their
life.
Cycles.
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peter
vitale:,
besides
the
great
topics
brought
up
here
which
are
being
covered.
Well,
so
I'm
gonna,
let
I'm
gonna
leave
leave
that
aside
for
a
moment.
The
other
thing
that
concerns
me
the
most
is
the
future
adaptability
to
future
development,.
I
think
that's
a
concern
for
everyone
and
so
bill
slide.
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bill,
holicky,
coburn
architecture:
and
I
am
not
staff.
So
I'm
not
so
good
at
that
desk
in
my
moment,
and
I
get
to
the
right
side,
the
intention
of
both
a
tmp
and
then
this
project
would
be
to
make
sure
that
the
streets
are
put
in
place
that
allow
for
incremental
development.
So
maybe
this
is
a
good
way
to
look
at
it.
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david
ensign,
--
he/him:
23
attendees,
so
I
don't
think
it
will
be
necessary
to
reduce
the
amount
of
time
that
people
will
speak.
So
I
will
keep
it
at
three
minutes
per
person,.
Please
do
try
to
avoid
too
much
repetition
and.
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Ginger:
and
you
wouldn't
have
to
maybe
say,
memory
care
or
anything
like
that,,
but
just
lower
maintenance
yeah.
I
couldn't
remember
stuff
anyway.
The
other
thing
I
would
suggest,
having
been
a
book.
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Kurt
nordback:,
particularly
with
respect
to
the
ladies
designation
and
the
zoning
I
feel
like
cv,
is
not
an
appropriate
land
use
designation
anymore,.
I
think
the
market
has
as
clearly
stated
that
we
don't
need
more
of
community
business
in
this
area,,
and
so
I
think
that
over
to
encourage
you,
to.
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David
adamson:,
so
we
we
just
have
a
lot,.
We
must
do
a
lot
of
land,
banking
and
or
promote
community
land
trust
which
take
land
out
of
the
speculative
market.
That's
a
huge
piece
of
the
cost
of
housing,,
and
if
you
combine
that,
with
a
focus
on
providing
mostly
for
sale,
housing
to
our
working
people.
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david
ensign,
--
he/him:.
Thank
you
so
much.
pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
excellent.
So
let's
see
g
man,
you
are
the
only
person
left
with
a
hand
up,
but
we
weren't
able
to
hear.
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Chelsea
castellano:,
okay
yeah,
so
I
just
wanted
to
essentially
support.
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Chelsea
castellano:
housing
from
being
built.
Now,
when
it,,
you
know,
we
really
needed
it.
Yesterday
we
needed
to
10
years
ago,
kurt.
You
know
saying
he
was
on
a
committee
20
years
ago
to
you
know.
Work
on
this
is
it's
sad.
It's
disheartening
and
you
all
have
an
opportunity
to
make
this
better
for
everybody.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
actually
I'm
talking
permitted
but
still
muted.
That's
been
the
way
it's
been.
Some
sweet.
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Bill
holicky,
coburn
architecture:,
but
the
timing
of
this
becomes
pretty
critical
and
we
have
an
opportunity
now
to
do
something.
Just
personally
have
a
waiting
for
this.
This
particular
person
to
have
an
opportunity
to
do
something
to
it
for
a
long
time,
because
it's
the
one
parcel
they
can
make
all
this
work,.
So
we
are.
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pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
we
said
okay,,
I
think
we're
all
back
excellent,
so
yeah
there
have
been
to
two
key
issues:
post
and.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:.
If
people
want
to
take
a
second
pass
at
it,
that's
fine
as
well
kishan
one
is
is:
is
their
policy
direction
within
the
bbc
key
to
support
mixed
use
and
higher
density
residential
uses,
human
potential,
land
use
change
and
rezoning
on
the
site,?
So
in
this
section
I
think
we
should.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
saying
that
that
would
be.
pb,
david
ensign
--
he/him:
a
world
that
we
could
exist
in
potentially
that
might
open
a
little
more
doors
to
that.
So
let
you
know
that
said
I
did
want
to
just
save
it
from
my
perspective,.
This
is
a
very
attractive
proposal
for
a
site
that
we've
been
really
waiting
a
long
time
to
see
a
proposal
for
and
so.
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B
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
way
to
be
going
for
this
site,,
given
its
place
that
I
would
then
save
that
and
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
lay
it
out
very
quickly
going
through
each
one,
and
then
we
can
look
back
if
we
want
to.
I
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
time
since
I'm
speaking,
second,,
but
I
would
say
that.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
treatment
in
our
use,
tables,,
where
we
have
all
these
lines
that
are
applied
only
to
the
university
he'll
neighborhoods
in
these
towns
and
so
we'd.
Have
that
kind
of
thing.
I
mean
it's
good
because
it
wouldn't
be
a
non
conformance
because
it
would
be
fairly
specified
in
title
nine
but.
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Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
maybe
cause,
you
know,
have
higher
density
residential
in
places
where
we
want
it
and
then
maybe
even
pick
a
little
place
where
we
could
do
our
max,
but
so
maybe
something
other
than
just
a
single
crop
of
em
you
for
might
be
possible.
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david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
all
of
that
said
I'll,
just
wrap
it
up,
wrap
up,
wrap
up
this
round.
By
saying
I
just
don't
want
perfection
to
our
desire
for
perfection
to
cut
off
an
opportunity
to
do
something
with
this
that
we,
you
know,
we've
really
been
waiting
for
this
for
a
long
time,
and
it
is.
B
I
I
I
I
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:
yeah,
so
I
also
thank
you,
sir,
for
those
comments.
I,
like
I,
like
the
creativity
to.
I
always
get
a
little
frustrated
with
the
tools
we
have
available
and
the
things
we
can
and
can't
do
particularly
around
sony.
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
N
N
N
N
N
M
M
Pb,
lupita
d,
montoya:
opportunities
for
all
kinds
of
people
to
live
here,,
including
families,.
So
it
is
that
kind
of
seeing
that,
even
in
the
in
the
way
that
we
design
new
housing,
that
will
be
for
sale
versus
for
rental
and,
in
this
case,
as
georgie
just
mentioned,,
you
know,
if
we're
going
to
be
all
for.
M
M
M
M
M
M
B
pb,,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:,
I'm.,
pb,,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
great
great
comments
all
around.
Does
anyone
want
to
take
a
second.
B
B
K
K
E
K
K
Pb,
sarah
silver:
so
and
with
with
the
m
you,,
for
if
I'm
understanding
correctly,
that
would
produce
the
density
of
or
intensity
of
development
of
the
transit
village.
Is
that
also
correct.
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
Pb
sarah
silver:
covenant
that's
created
that
keeps
those
those
for
sale
properties
in
the
in
the
missing
middle
price.
Range,.
You
know,
we've
we've
got
a
couple
of
covenants
like
that
in
the
city
and
I'm
not
trying
to
make
process
I'm
trying
to
get
to
outcomes
that
meet
a
lot
of
the
needs
that
we
have.
B
B
B
B
B
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
when
you're
dealing
with
this
kind
of
a
situation
that
the
owner
has
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
seasons,
been
kind
of
being
requested
from
that
that
side
so,
but
I
think
I
think
it's
really
important
for
us
to
say
these
things,
and
hopefully
people
are
listening
now,
lisa.
J
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
I'm
I'm
speaking
for
myself
and
I
don't
have
the
relevant
sections
of
code
pulled
up,.
So
I
don't
think
I
can
speak
for
the
planning
board
on
this,.
But,
like
things
I
would
love
to
see
there
you
know,
would
be.
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
N
N
N
B
B
B
B
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
I'd
be
happy
to
if
no,
there
are
no
other
takers,
usually
usually
the
chair
likes
to
go,,
you
know
go
last
if
if
people
want
them
to,
but
I'm
glad
to
go
first,
so
you
know
just
some
of
the
issues
that
will
be
looking
at
assuming
that
this
you
know.
I
think
this
is
an
appropriate
sized.
B
B
B
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
it's
you
know,.
There
may
not
be
quite
as
much
demand
for
ground
for
commercial
so,,
so
I
think
I
saw
some
semi
signals
that
there
might
be
some
requests
to
override
that
in
a
couple
of
places
and
that
you
know
we'd
be
getting
residential,.
So
I
think
that
would
be
acceptable.
B
B
B
B
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
things
affordable
outside
of
the
affordable
housing
units
that
said,
there
have
been
some
interesting
things
tossed
around
here,,
and
so
you
know,.
Maybe
the
applicant
would
like
to
think
of
ways
that
they
could
condition
their
own
site
review.
That
might
kind
of
you
know.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
I
do
agree
with
staffs
concern
about
buildings,,
six
and
seven,
or
maybe
it's
five
or
six,.
I
think
it
different
in
a
couple
diagrams:
the
two
affordable
buildings,.
I
really
would
like
to
see
the
green
space
around
those
addressed
as
so
they're
not
surrounded
on
three
sides
with
pavement.
B
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
I
I
I
K
K
Pb
sarah
silver:,
so
I
do
see
from
the
design
the
drawings
that
there's.
K
K
S
B
B
B
M
Pb,
lupita
d
montoya:,
I
don't
know
intrigued
and,
naturally,
in
a
positive
way,.
The
idea
of
bringing
the
open
space
in
combination
with
the
other
housing.
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
B
Pb,
david
ensign,
--,
he/him:
well,.
I
love
it
when
we
asked
the
applicant
to
respond,
let's
yeah,
if
we
can
ask
them
to
respond
to
that
before
we
finish
here.
B
B
B
S
S
S
S
S
S
Bill
holicky,
coburn
architecture:,
you
know,,
each
one
of
those
components
was
about
that
size.
So
it's
not
like
you
could
fit
a
holiday
here,.
You
could
fit
part
of
a
holiday
on
the
entire
dying
on
plaza,
which
brings
them
just
one
thing
to
consider.
When
we
talk
about
integrating
all
these
different
housing,
types.
S
S
Bill
holicky,
coburn
architecture:,
maybe
just
keep
in
mind
the
scale
and
there
might
be
a
way
to
integrate
different
housing
types,
as
the
project
develops.
As
the
area
dyno
posit
develops,
if
we're
using
holiday
as
a
model,,
the
size
would
support
kind
of
different
chunks
being
different
things
as
being
one
chunk.
S
S
S
S
S
S
S
S
S
S
Bill
holicky
coburn
architecture:
that
struck
a
chord
because
one
of
the
primary
things
we're
trying
to
do
was
integrate
the
new
with
the
old
on
the
bhp,
but
also
integrated
bhp
into
the
market
rate,.
And
that
was
really
where
the
why
the
park
is
where
it
is
because
it's
sort
of
between
the
two
parts
of
the
project.
S
S
S
S
B
B
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:,
we're
great-
I
it's
nice
to
nice
to
have
those
that
feedback
on
what
we
said,
and
hopefully
it
sparked
a
lot
of
ideas
bill
laura
danica
jerry,.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation,
and.
S
S
S
S
B
B
T
T
T
T
T
T
T
T
Danica
powell,
trestle
strategy,
group:
certainly,
through
the
this
process,,
whatever
it
is,,
will,
will
take
that
time
and
work
with
our
neighbors
and
see
them
as
a
significant
stakeholders.
So
and
the
rope
is
there,,
I
mean
there's
just
a
lot
of
people
that
we
can
speak
to.
So
I
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
that,
as
we
move
forward.
Q
B
B
B
B
B
S
F
E
B
M
M
Pb,
lupita
d,
montoya:
yeah,-
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure.
cob,
cindy
spence:,
because
yeah
that
is
correct.
That
starts
to
six,
I'm
not
going
to
be
there
on.
I
will
have
a
stand
in
I'm
going
to
be
on
vacation
but,,
so
I
won't
be
there,,
but
and
then
we
have
that
it's
june,
after
that,,
which
I
can't
believe,
and
we
have
a
jam,
packed
june.
F
B
B
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:
agenda
for
the
retreat,
and
then
we
can
we'll
have
one
more
meeting,
where
we
can
bring
it
up
on
the
third.
But
I
I
did
a
meeting
with
jacob
and
charles
where.
B
B
F
Cob,
cindy
spence:,
oh
july.,
cob,
cindy
spence:,
pretty
busy.
We
allow
me
one
second
here:
I'm
gonna
pull
up
my
schedule
here,
because
I
was
doing
june
off
of
my
memory.
F
F
K
J
J
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
N
N
Pb,,
jorge
boone:,
so
with
with
that,
I
I'm
happy
to
engage
in
the
discussion,,
but
but
but
to
me
if
this
feels
like
it
should
be
coming
from
another
board
and
not
from
us,,
I
just
don't
think
it's
we've
got
so
much
to
accomplish.
As
the
planning
word.
I
just
don't
see
how
this
is
really
in
our
wheelhouse.
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
Pb,
lupita
d
montoya:
for
them,,
because
the
city
didn't
have
enough,
or
they
already
have
gotten
some
support,,
and
this
is
what
I
mean
about
integration,.
We
need
to
bring
some
compassion,
besides
our
brains
into
this
into
this
board
and
think
about
really,.
How
can
we
make
this
city,?
You
know,
a
better
city,
so.
M
M
M
M
K
K
K
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
N
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
B
B
B
M
M
B
B
M
B
AE
AE
B
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
Cob,
phil
kleisler
(cob,
esf-14):
and
we're
looking
forward
to
releasing
those
terms
in
july
and
we'll
also
be
presenting
that
to
the
planning
board
for
its
public
hearing
for
a
recommendation,.
The
council
on
july
22
in
council
will
take
up
the
item
for
a
public
hearing
and
deliberation
and
early
september.
AE
AE
Cob,
phil
kleisler
(cob,
esf-14):,
in
addition
to
other
things
as
well
on,
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
around
cost,
particularly
around
the
flood
mitigation
project
and
other
costs,
and
to
really
be
able
to
show
that
there's
an
equitable
share
of
cost
borne
by
both
both
parties.
And,.
In
addition
to
that,
overall.
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
Cob,
phil
kleisler,
(cob,
esf-14):,
maybe
a
little
bit
large
for
the
for
the
site
and
as
a
whole,
and
so
those
are
some
of
the
things
that
that
council
had
input
on
again
moving
ahead.
We're
we're
looking
to
anticipating,
if,
if
we're
in
agreement
on
terms
and
we're
at
a
point
of
being
able
to
release
that
we
will,
in
july.
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
Cob,
phil
kleisler
(cob,
esf-14):.
We
got
to
the
tail
end
of
last,
the
last
meeting,
and
it
was
pretty
late,
and
I
think
folks
were
just
like
we
need
a.
Maybe
we
need
to
think
about
this,
a
little
bit,
and
if
you
could
come
back
we'll
we
might
have
some
other
comments,
and
so
that's
what
we
wanted
to
do.
B
B
Pb,
david
ensign,
--
he/him:.
This
gives
us
an
opportunity
to.
I
did
watch
the
city
council
meeting,
and
I
agree,.
I
think
that
the
comments
were
very
similar
to
a
lot
of
the
things
that
were
said
at
planning
board,,
so
I
think
that's
great
but
yeah,
but
any
any
questions
or
comments.
People
want
to
share.
B
Pb
sarah
silver:
yeah,
so
first
phil,
thank
you
so
much
you're,
so
great
at
summarizing
and
presenting
it
really
is
just
awesome.
So
thank
you
very
much.
So
after
our
meeting
I've
been
thinking
about
this
a
lot,
and
particularly
a
comment
that
came
from
the
public
about.