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Lynn,
segal:
with
more
housing
in
an
inelastic
housing,
market.
anyway,,
it
doesn't
matter
how
much
housing
we
built
here.,
it's
always
going
to
be
expensive,
and
the
way
things
are
going,
it's
going
to
be
more
expensive
than
add
there,
after
you
approve
m.
for
papalios
and
a
fourth
penthouse
for
them.
250.
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Pb,
sarah
silver:
okay,
thank
you..
I
just
have
a
couple
of
questions
on
the
design
of
the
building.
When
maybe
you'll
tell
me
to
ask
the
applicant.,
but
the
first
is
those
wraparound.
Portches?
are
those
also
the
walkways
to
the
doors
of
the
apartments??
That
was
a
little
and
clear
from
the
drawing.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
thank
you.,
it's
very,,
very
helpful.,
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kaplan,,
pb:
oh,
and
by
the
way
sh
on
them
great
presentation.,
I
forgot
to
say
that,,
but
I
meant
to
start
with
that..
Thank
you
so
much..
My
next
question
is
you
said
that
38
feet
is
the
height
limit
in
the
mu
3,
and
that
you,
in
encouraging
the
applicant
to
explore
pitched
roofs.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
I
I
just
want
to
ask
one
more
question.,
so
I
did
go
visit
the
site
this
morning
and
walk
around
and
look
at
the
parking
situation,,
and
I
was
there
at
like
8,
40
in
the
morning.,
and
so
you
know.,
that's
when
a
lot
of
people,.
If
they're
going
to
work,
have
probably
left
for
work,
and
if
they
were
parked
on
the
street,
it
probably
moved
a
vehicle.
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jorge
boone:,
east
and
east
and
on
the
alley.,
so
so
on
the
east..
There's
a
there's.
There's
a
balcony
which
wraps
around
staff.
sorry
about
the
wraparound
balcony
is
not
being
that
practical,,
but
they
have
encroached
on
the
15
foot
set
back,
and
then
on
the
rear
on
the
alley,
looks
like
all.
The
balcony
is
encroach
on
the
alley.
set
back.
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next
next
page.,
so
one
of
the
pieces
of
technology
we
use
is
a
a
company
out
of
called
orie
living..
They
manufacture,
essentially
robotic
furniture..
This
is
an
example
of
one..
Fortunately,
we
can't
use
video
with
these
presentations,,
but
it's
it's
really
cool..
It
could
check
them
out
for
a
livingcom.
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Rossholbrook-Applicant:
in
terms
of
outreach
to
both
our
our
potential
residents
and
and
the
community.,
our
our
focus
is
really
around
our
residents..
We've
done
extensive
market
research
interviews
and
and
focus
groups.,
and
I
think
you
know,.
We
really
found
that
the
location
and
walkability,
and
even
the
minimalistic.
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payne::
this
is
not
something
that
we
wanna
tuck
away
in
a
far
corner
or
back
behind
the
transformer,.
The
the
bike
parking
and
the
bike
maintenance
and
the
access
to
it
for
the
residents
is
something
we
really
want
to
celebrate
and
have
that
be
part
of
their
journey.
Every
day,
as
we're
also
mentioning.
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payne:
again.,
the
massing
we've
kind
of
talked
about
that.
We
have
started
looking
at
some
of
the
wrap
around
conditions,
primarily
on
this
corner.
There
are
a
few
spots,
where
the
deck,
being
an
extension
of
the
front
part
of
the
deck,
does
allow
for
western
views
and
western
sunlight,,
and
I
think,
that's
very,
very
important
for
units
that
base
north.
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Lee
payne:,
our
civil
engineer,
is
not
on
the
call
tonight,
and
can't
answer
any
of
those
specific
questions..
We
weren't
aware
of
any
issues
that
came
up
during
our
our
engagement
with
the
city
since
may.,
but
jba
has
a
very,
very
long
and
rich
history
of
doing
work
in
boulder
and
I'm:
sure,.
We
will
definitely
get
into
the
particulars
of
all
the
engineering
as
we
as
we
get
further
into
that.
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Rossholbrook-Applicant:,
but
these
will
be
market
rates.,
so
it's
it's!
It's
basically
just
a
framework
of
where
we're
yeah,.
That's
why
I
understand
there
any
market
rate.,
but
you
you
must
have
a
perform
on
what
you've
performed
at
these
units
to
be
at
when
they
open,,
let's
say,
3
years
from
now.
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Rossholbrook-Applicant:
yeah,,
that's
the
average,
right?
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jorge
boone:,
yeah,
3
years
from
now.
well,.
What
okay?
well
put
it
this
way.?
What
would
the
average
rent
be
today
in
order
for
us
to
understand,
projecting
out
3
years.
I'm.,
just
trying
to
understand
how
this
fits
in
with
the
1,
20
to
80,
am
I?,
and
that
would
be
helpful.
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Rossholbrook-Applicant:,
actually
in
the
packet,
I
mean,,
maybe
the
applicant
doesn't
remember
putting
it
in
there,,
but
it's
on
page
29
in
the
packet..
We
we
provided
a
range
at
that
at
that
time,,
but
in
3
years
I
I
can't
tell
you
what
it's
going
to
be..
I
can
tell
you
that
we
plan
to.,
you
know,,
pay,
the
in
blue
fees,,
so
it.
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Lee
payne:,
I
would
think
of
these
these
units
as
much
more
like
a
bedroom.
you're
gonna
be
living
in
the
far
part
of
the
unit
that
has
the
windows,
the
back,
where
the
bathroom
is
that
there's
no
windows.,
it's
much
more
like
a
typical
apartment
building
where
individual
rooms
have,
you
know,
one
window
on
one
side
of
it,
places
where
we
can
capitalize
on
corner
conditions.,
we're
absolutely.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
and
the
northwest
corner
plaza.
so
first
for
the
car
share,,
so
it's
a
third
party
company,,
and
so
the
app,,
the
your
tenants.
it
sounds.
Like,
could
choose
to
become
members
of
this
third
party
car
share
company
that
would
park
a
car
at
your
site.
is
that
is
that
what
I'm
hearing?.
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Rossholbrook-Applicant:
and
rossholbrook-applicant:
you
know,,
I
think
it's
it's
to
be
determined
in
terms
of
how
the
structure
works,
but
absolutely.
you
know,.
Our
residents
would
have
access
to
using
that
car.,
not
exclusively,
necessarily,,
because
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
they
want
to
do
is
provide
that
value
to
the
surrounding
community,
and,
in
fact..
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
a
lot
of
our
residents
are
going
to
use
car
share,.
Then
we
would
probably
want
more
details
about
that
at
site.
Review,,
and
I
would
be
very
excited
to
hear
about
that
like..
How
are
they
going
to
get
to
the
car
that
they're
trying
to
rent.
and
what,
if
somebody
already
has
that
car
for
the
weekend??
How
do
they
get
a
different
car?
and
then
that
kind
of
thing?.
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kaplan,
pb:
and
then
the
northwest
corner
plaza..
I
know
that
you'll
have
more
detail
about
that
at
site
review,,
but
it
sounds
like
that
is
intended
to
be
primarily
for
the
retail
space.
So
like.
would
you
have
some
kind
of
re
envisioning,
some
kind
of
seeding
there,
or
what's
your
vision
for
that
plaza
at
this
point?.
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Mark
mcintyre,
planing
board:,
all
right.
and
mark
mcintyre,
planing
board:,
so
mark
mcintyre,
planing
board:.
How?
How
did
you
mark
mcintyre,
planing
board:
arrive
at
at
the
those
numbers,,
those
same,
and
I'll
I'll
I'll
I'll
I'll
save
my
comments
for
later
I'll.
I'll,
just
ask,?
How
did
you
write
with
those
numbers?.
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Lee
payne:,
they
they're
all
fantastic
questions,.
I
think,,
as
somebody
mentioned,
we're
we're
in
month,
10
of
the
3
year
process..
So
I
think
it's.,
it's
it's
worth
reiterating..
What
marcus
said
is
that
we're
we're
trying
to
show
enough
to
create
a
dialogue.,
but
we
definitely
are
not
purporting
that
we
figured
everything
out..
We
definitely
want
to
have
a
dialogue
with
the
city
about.
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Lee
payne:
over
on
on
folsom
and
canyon.
That's
a
lead,
build
building.,
that's
a
major
sustainability
issue
for
them.,
but
to
really
get
to
what
the
efficiency
of
the
system
was,.
We
need
to
figure
out
the
offset,
and
that's
driven
by
the
building.
Consumption.
so,
as
ross
mentioned,
smaller
units
lead
is
less
material..
It's
less
energy
consumption.
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Fred
jones:
I'm.,
fred
jones:.
I
heard
a
3
min
train
state,
and
you
should
understand
that
those
of
us
who
oppose
this,
I
put
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
into
this..
You
give
almost
infinite
time
to
people
who
support
the
project
to
give
very
little
to
us,,
having
2
min
to
support
work
that
you've
done
50
years.
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Fred
jones:
we've
lived
here
for
about
50
years,
and
have
been
part
of
the
effort
over
those
years.,
make
bolder
a
place
where
working
people
could
actually
want
to
live.
and
we've
always
supported
open
space
parks
for
centers,
libraries,,
and
when
city
budgets
for
parks
and
meetings
were
kind..
We
became.
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Fred
jones:
before
it
came
possible
for
people
like
us.
over
the
years..
We
have
tried
to
fight
very
high
quality,,
low-cost
housing.
so,
for
example,.
While
our
lot
is
about
one
third,
the
size
of
the
post
development,,
we
provide
substantially
more
landscaping
and
green
areas,
and
while
our
units
are
larger,
they
rent
for
about
$200
per
month,,
less.
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Jill
adler
grano:
in
an
extensive
study
of
101
cities
and
towns
in
the
greater
boston
area,
titled
how
to
increase
housing,,
affordability,
understanding,
local
deterrence
to
building
multi-family
housing.
Political
economists
found
that
relaxing
density
restrictions,
specifically
by
increasing
the
maximum
number
of
units
allowed
per
acre.
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Cj
oldham:
or
2
people
per
unit,,
but
doesn't
mean
they
won't,
have
2
cars.,
it's
a
misnomer
as
well
to
show
all
their
mapping
with
the
24
street
parking
which,
even
today
I
was
out.,
there
was
most
of
it..
70
was
filled
up
already.
and
those
people
are
going
to
give
up
their
parking
just
because
you
don't
provide
parking
on
this
site
for
the
cars
that
are
needed.
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Cj
oldham:,
what
your
square
is.
4
times,
the
land
mass,
the
parking
there
ratio,
one
port,
3
per
cars
per
unit,.
We
your
place
when
it
comes
back
online.
that
was
one
car
per
unit..
All
these
projects
park
cars
underneath
one
car
per
unit
where
your
place,
when
they
rebuild
that
out.
This
neighborhood
is
going
to
be.
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oldham:
I
think,
for
the
last
30
years.
down
here
in
denver.
I
see
kids
parking,
and
you
can
have
all
the
codes
this
that
the
other.
I
see
kids
parking
in
in
the
yards
in
the
right
ways.,
so
you
know,,
if
you're
going
to
enforce
it,.
Perhaps
you
have
a
restriction
on
the
riddle,
lease,,
one
car
per
unit,,
maximum,
or
even
less.,
and
that's
the
only
way
you're
going
to
handle
it.
thanks.
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Jan
hickory:,
but
I
think
it's
a
joke
that
the
development
said
that
the
people
who
work
at
the
commercial
building
will
not
drive
to
work,,
so
they
don't
need
to
provide
parking
for
the
employees..
How
are
you
going
to
prove
that??
Are
you
going
to
tell
your
employees
that
there
is
no
parking
available
for
them,,
so
they
cannot
drive
to
work.
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Jan
hickory:,
because
they're
gonna
be
parking
in
our
privately
owned
parking
spots.
one
of
the
staffers
said
that
they
went
out
and
counted
15
parking,
50
parking,
spots.
today.,
I
don't
know
where
they
found
them.,
but
maybe
they're
parking
all
the
you're,
counting
all
the
parking
spots
that
we
are
privately
owned.
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Claudia
thiem:
there's
also
this
shared
courtyard
deck,,
which,
in
a
less
car,
centric
city,,
we
find
more
on
the
ground
level.,
but
it
gives
this
private
extension
of
the
home..
It's
a
place
to
linger
and
not
just
pass
through.
It's
got
access
to
light
and
air,,
and
it
also
shelters
folks
from
noise
on
the
street.
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lynn
segal:,
but
lynn
segal:,
any
jobs,
housing
balance,
soft
here.,
the
more
jobs
we
have
here,,
the
more
wages,,
the
more
demand
for
the
middle
for
projects
just
like
this.,
and
you
know
what
the
300
foot
thing
is..
They
should
have
a
quarter
of
a
park
car
per
unit..
They
should
have
one
car
for
4
units.
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Lynn,
segal:
and-
and
these
guys
haven't
even
mentioned
the
groundl
heap,
what
the
heck.
this
is
a
new
project,,
you
know.,
I'm
getting
one
in
my
place.
and
where
are
they
going
to
put
all
their
stuff?
they're
gonna,
be
driving
across
town
for
storage,,
you
know.
I'm.,
sorry.
yes,,
I'm
69,
and
yes,.
I'm
hoarding,
and
I
have
all
kinds
of
space,,
but.
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Rosie
fivian
aia:
hi,,
there,
everybody..
I
sent
you
guys
an
email
earlier.,
I'm
glad
I
made
it
just
to
catch
the
tail
end
of
this
meeting,
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
support
this
project..
I
think
efficiencies
are
so
important
for
boulder
in
a
play,
such
a
wealthy
community
at
a
downtown
location.
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X
X
Pb,
lisa
smith:
however,.
I
don't
think
that
means
that
the
concerns
that
people
raised
aren't
valid..
I
see
a
lot
of
them
as
like
externalities,
and
the
devil
being
the
details,.
I
really
appreciate
the
presentation.
everything
we
heard,
and
I
will..
I
know
we'll
get
more
into
that
in
a
moment.,
so.
X
X
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
but
you
know,
when
I
look
at
the
current
zoning.
when
I
look
at
what
we're
trying
to
do,
diversity
of
housing
types
and
all
that
there's
there's
just
nothing
that
rises
to
level
of
like
this
can't
probably
happen,
or
you
know
I
feel
like
this-
is
totally
inconsistent..
I
I
don't
see
that.
X
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
Pb,,
jorge
boone:
and
so
pb,
jorge
boone:.
I
I'm
just
concerned
pb,
jorge
boone:
that
the
that
the
community
might
get
hoodwinked
into
something.
and
and
I'm
not
suggesting
that
the
developers
nefarious
in
any
way.
they've
already
said
that
this
is
a
market
rate
thing,.
But
then
they've
also
positioned
this
as
80
to
120..
Am
I
in
a
car?
free
thing?,
so.
O
Pb,,
jorge
boone:,
but
outside
of
that,,
and
that
that's
kind
of
the
devil
in
the
details
that
I
see
is,,
you
know,
as
as
lisa
kind
of
positioned
it,,
at
least
from
my
perspective,
is,.
I
don't
see
necessarily
anything
generally
inconsistent
with
bbcp.,
but
the
devil's
in
the
details
of
how
it's
implemented,
and
and
and
how
this
really
service
boulder.
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Mark
mcintyre
planing
board:
anywhere
you
go.,
mark
mcintyre
planing
board:,
but
you
go
everywhere
by
car.,
mark
mcintyre,
planing
board:,
but
mark
mcintyre,
planing
board:,
so
mark
mcintyre,
planing
board:
parking
is
everywhere.,
mark
mcintyre,
planing
board:.
But
the
thing
that's
missing,
mark
mcintyre,
planing
board:
is
a
sense
of
place.
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X
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
they
have
to
put
them
somewhere.,
pb,,
lisa
smith:,
you
know..
So
so
again
I
I
think
pb,
lisa,
smith:
one
and
and
I'm
sure
this
would
push
the
pricing
into
a
an
unfeasible
place..
But
I
I
wish
that
I
was
looking
at
tuck
under..
I
wish
that
I
was
looking
at
a
structure..
You
know
some
other
things
like
that,
or
undergrounded
parking
instead
of
surface.
X
X
X
Pb,
lisa
smith:
you
know,,
leased
out
or
managed
directly,.
Then
there
are
cool
things
you
can
do
with
gamification.
and
and
you
know,
with
that,
splitting
a
part
of
the
parking
spot
from
the
unit
to
to
really
incentivize
and
disincentivize
certain
kinds
of
behaviors,,
not
just
owning
a
car,,
but
also
ways
that
you
get
tuned
from
where
you
are,
and
and
that
can
be
kind
of
fun
for
people.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
that's
just
the
way
of
the
world,
and
there's
nothing.
This
applicant
can
do
to
prevent
it
if
they
provide
more
parking
spaces
that
are
paid
for..
Some
people
are
still
going
to
choose
the
free
city
parking
which
gets
to
the
policy
issue
that
sarah,
I
think,
was
talking
about,,
or
at
least
that's
where
I
take
it.
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N
N
N
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
and
I
think,
and
I'm
trying
to
think
of
I'm
racking,
my
brains
of
how
you
would
do
that..
So
one
thing
that
I
would
be
looking
at
is
that
car
share
program,,
because
I
do
think
people
want
cars
to
go
to
the
mountains..
I
do
think
people
want
cars.
For,,
you
know,
trips
with
family,
that
they're
things
that
people
are
gonna
want
cars
for,,
but
they
may
be
able
to
be
satisfied
with
a
car,
share.
program.
N
O
O
O
O
O
Pb,,
jorge
boone:
they're
gonna
need
parking
for
some
of
their
employees,
and
they're
gonna
need
parking
for
some
of
their
customers.
I'll.
Give
a
topical
example
of
one
that
I
use
every
week
down
there.
so
my
kids
go
to
the
food
lab,,
which
is
a
great
facility
right
next
to
box
car.
They
do.
they
go
to
food
lab
20
min
after
school,,
and
I
drive
them
down.
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M
ml,
robles,
pb:,
so
I
I
think
ml
robles,
pb:.
We
need
to
see
ml
robles,
pb:,
some
ml
robles,
pb:,
more
aggressive
management
ml
robles,
pb:
of
where
are
these
ml
robles,
pb:
cars?
ml
robles,
pb:.
We
know
we're
not
going
to
get
0
ml
robles,
pb:
people
coming
with
0
cars
to
fill
all
this
project..
We
just
that's
not
going
to
happen
in
an
instant.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
thank
you.
I'll
try
to
keep
this
this
brief..
I
also
agree
with
a
lot
of
what
staff
said
and
support
their
comments
in
the
packet
about
the
building.
Design.
I'll
just
comment
on
a
couple
of
things.
one.
Is
I
love.,
I
really
love
the
reference
photos
that
you
folks
have
chosen
on
page
22
and
23
of
the
packet.
N
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
and
some
of
the
things
in
there,,
like
2
of
your
very
prominent
photos,
have
trees
on
every
balcony,,
and
I
don't
know
if
that
is
something
that
you
can
provide
along
with
furnishing
the
apartments..
But
man,
wouldn't
it
be
nice
to
have
all
that
green
on
all
those
balconies..
I
think
those
are
lovely.
N
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
with
regard
to
the
dog
space,
I
get
sarah's
point
that
that
could
also
be
a
lovely
landscaping.
Space.
I'll
just
submit
that
as
a
dog
owner..
Sometimes
you
have
a
dog
that
needs
to
run,
and
needs
to
run
off
leash,,
and
it
would
be
nice
to
have
a
nice
little
fence
spot
where
you
can
throw
a
ball
or
throw
a
frisbee.
N
N
N
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
and
I
I
do
want
to
dress
another
comment
about
the
windows
on
one
side,.
You
know
if,
if
that
changes
in
the
design,
I
won't
be
mad.,
but
I
will
say
I
have
lived
in
a
850
square
foot
unit
that
only
had
north
facing
windows
on
one
side,
and
it
was
okay..
You
know,
there
was
a
surprising
amount
of
natural
light,,
so
I
think,
as
long
as.
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J
J
Cob,
shabnam
bista:,
the
first
one
includes:
does
the
annexation
comply
with
the
applicable
state
annexation
statutes.,
the
second
one
is,
is
the
proposal
consistent
with
the
in
with
the
city's
annexation
and
other
pvcp
policies;
and
then,
lastly,.
Is
the
initial
zoning
appropriate
for
the
subject
property.
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
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P
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M
J
J
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Ml
robles,
pb:,
not
possible?
ml
robles,
pb:.
Is
it
cost,
or
is
it??
I
think
you
know,
ml.,
as
you
probably
well
know,
in
your
professional
practice.
When
it
comes
to
engineering.
Anything
is
possible.,
but
I
think
there
are
some
prohibitive
costs
associated
with
it,
and
I
think
there's
also
some
private
property
rights
associated
with.
I
Charles
ferro,
cob
(he/him):
crossing
a
piece
of
private
property
with
a
new
main,
and
whether
or
not,
you
know,,
just
based
on
the
position
of
the
home,
that's
directly
on
the
west
side
of
the
property..
Whether
or
not
you
know
from
an
engineering
perspective.
How
disruptive
that
would
be
just
with
the
way
that
the
a
lot
is
situated.
I
I
M
I
Charles
ferro,
cob
(he/him):,
we
absolutely
looked
at
the
possibility
of
adding
additional
units,
as
opposed
to
just
subdividing
it
into
2
lots
again,
from
a
zoning
and
a
land
use
perspective..
I
think
that's
something.
That's
possible..
The
issue
that
we're
running
into
is
really
more
run.
Utilities.
J
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N
A
A
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B
N
N
N
X
X
X
pb,
lisa
smith:.
I
move
to
recommend
a
city
council
approval
of
the
proposed
annexation
of
the
property,
located
at
2,415
fine
place,,
with
an
initials
on
a
designation
of
residential
low
one
or
ro,
one
pertaining
to
case
number
lor,
2,021
0,,
0
48,,
incorporating
the
staff
memorandum
as
findings
of
fact,
150.
B
B
Z
Z
AA
Cob,
allison
moore-farrell
(she/her):
perfect..
Thank
you
so
much,
kathleen..
I
appreciate
it.
hi,
everyone.,
I'm
alison
moore
farrell,
with
translation
and
mobility.
senior
transportation
planner..
I
recognize
a
few
of
you.,
it's
good
to
see
you,
and
for
those
I
haven't
met.,
it's
wonderful
to
meet
you..
Thank
you
so
much
for
having
me
this
evening.
AA
Cob,
allison
moore-farrell
(she/her):,
like
kathleen
shared,
I'll,
be
sharing
a
brief
presentation
about
the
scope
of
this
process,
and
I
I
know
you
received
in
your
packets,
some
further
information
about
that,,
as
well
as
the
consultant
scope
of
work,,
and
we
will
be
requesting
a
liaison
from
planning
board
to
be.
On
our
community
working
group.-.
AA
AA
Cob,
allison
moore-farrell
(she/her):
thank
you.,
cob,
allison
moore-farrell
(she/her):.
We
recently
initiated
a
boulder
airport
community
conversation.
and,
as
you
saw
in
your
packets,
and
you
may
know,,
this
actually
was
a
suggestion
in
the
boulder
valley,
comprehensive
plan,
and
the
most
recent
update
to
have
this
conversation
prior
to
the
airport
master
plan.
Update.
AA
AA
AA
Cob,
allison,
moore-farrell
(she/her):,
so
goals
for
this
project
is
really
understanding.
Community
aspirations
around
the
airport
and
the
future
goals
for
the
airport
will
be
identifying
challenges
and
opportunities
for
consideration,
and
from
there
developing
a
range
of
scenarios
and
identifying
a
preferred
scenario
and
determining
next
steps
from
there.
AA
AA
Cob,
allison
moore-farrell
(she/her):,
like
I
mentioned,,
the
stakeholder.
interviews,
are
a
diverse
set
of
residents
in
the
city..
We've
also
interviewed
a
few
people
in
the
county
given
given
the
location
of
the
airport,,
and
we
do
have
interpretation
services
for
these,
and
we
allow
participants
to
really
share
their
perspective.
AA
Cob,
allison
moore-farrell
(she/her):,
so
we're
wrapping
up
the
stakeholder
interviews
and
moving
into
the
next
part
of
the
engagement
process,
which
will
be
the
community
working
group.,
and
this
is
where
we'll
be
requesting
a
liaison
from
planning.
Board.
we'll
also
be
having
a
liaison
from
the
translation
advisory
board
and
a
number
of
other
community
members.
AA
AA
AA
AA
Cob,
allison
moore-farrell
(she/her):,
like
I
mentioned,,
we
are
expanding
the
open
houses
from
2
to
3,
open
houses.
and
here's
a
brief
overview
of
what
each
of
those
open
houses
will
be.
we'll
be
sharing
the
history
of
the
airport
gathering
feedback..
I
know
myself
having
having
been
on
this
project
for
a
few
months..
I've
learned
so
much
about
boulder
as
a
report,
and
it's
been
really
fascinating.
AA
Cob,
allison
moore-farrell,
(she/her):
and
from
there
our
consultant
team
will
be
working
on
the
alternatives
analysis
of
these
different
scenarios,
so
that
we
can
evaluate
those.,
we'll
be
pulling
some
high
level
financial
implications
of
each
of
the
scenarios,
and
being
in
bringing
a
preferred
scenario.
Forward.
AA
Cob,
allison
moore-farrell
(she/her):,
starting
in
march,,
will
be
conducting
the
community,
working
group
meetings
and
public
open
houses,
and
from
there
will
be
developing
the
alternatives
and
then
in
the
fall,
presenting
the
final
report,
and
we
will
be
bringing
that
to
council
in
late
2,023.
Early
2,024
is
the
plan.
AA
AA
X
X
X
Pb,
lisa,
smith:
and,
and
that's
one
of
the
main
reasons
why
I
would
argue
for
having
some
kind
of
continued
airport.
Is
there
public
safety
and
and
disaster
response.
and
the
other
thing
is,.
I
see,
scientific
community
which
may
include
this.,
but
I
would
have
someone
from
see
you
specifically,,
probably
aligned
with
science
on
the
board,
and
and
I
would.
X
AA
Cob,
allison
moore-farrell
(she/her):
yeah,.
Thank
you
so
much
for
bringing
those
up.,
but
I'm
just
smiling
and
nodding,,
because
those
are
also
brought
up
by
city
council,
and
we
brought
this
to
them..
So
I'm
just
kind
of
putting
a
star
next
to
them
that
that
you're
identifying
those
as
well..
So
thank
you
so
much
for
bringing
that
up.
AA
P
P
P
AA
AA
Cob,
allison
moore-farrell
(she/her):
scope
of
what
this
could
be
so
so
literally.
anything
is
on
the
table
in
terms
of
what
the
community
wants
to
bring
in
terms
of
goals,
and
what
could
be
at
the
airport,
and
that's
part
of
conversations.
We've
had
this
far
with
community
members,
and
also
what'll
really
be
happening
at
the
open
houses
of
of
folks
sharing
that..
So.
AA
Cob,
allison
moore-farrell
(she/her):,
really
everything's
on
the
table
of
of
what
community
members
want
for
the
airport..
So
so
it's
a
fairly
broad
what
it
could
be,
certainly.
and-
and
this
is
a
fairly
high
level
process.,
so
so
you're
correct.
In
that
it
it
could
be
a
whole
whole
range
of
options
identified,,
which
is
why
we're
we're
working
through
those
different
scenarios,
and.
AA
P
P
P
P
P
AA
Cob,
allison
moore-farrell
(she/her):,
yes
and
no,,
and
I'll
I'll
share.
why,,
so
the
the
prime
that
was
selected
was
kimly
horn,
and
they
have
a
large
team
underneath
them..
So
kimberly
horn
is
the
I'm.
sure,,
as
you
know,
as
a
large
multi
disciplinary
firm..
So
the
the
discipline
that
we're
using
primarily
is
their
engagement
and
outreach
team..
We
do
have
an
individual
on
there
who
is
their
airport
subject
matter
expert.,
so
he
is
there
to
advise
and
to
interpret
some
of
the
language,
and
and
help
us
with
that.,
but.
AA
Cob,
allison
moore-farrell
(she/her):.
We
are
utilizing
them
for
their
engagement
and
outreach
folks..
We
one
of
their
sub
consultants
is
cdr,,
which
is
a
local
engagement
from
it..
I'm
sure
some
of
you
are
familiar
with
them,
and
they'll
be
doing.
The
facilitation
of
the
community.
Working
group.-
so.
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Cob,
allison
moore-farrell,
(she/her):,
yeah.
and-
and
I
will
share
it's
really
important
for
us-
for
both
the
community
work
and
group
and
public
open
house
to
really
share
background
of
the
airport,.
What
what
is
possible,
and
that
sort
of
thing,
and
really
sharing
that
history,
so
that
everyone
can
can
have
that
baseline
knowledge..
So
thank
you
for
highlighting
that.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
thank
you.,
laura
kaplan,,
pb:
well,,
I'm
hearing
some
things.
I
really
am.
I
appreciating
very
much.,
so
thank
you,
allison,
for
this
presentation,
really
glad
to
hear
that
cdr
is
involved
as
your
facilitator,,
their
colleagues
to
mine..
In
my
field
of
public
policy
facilitation.,
they
have
a
great
reputation.
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N
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
mark's
suggestion
that
you
specifically
need
outreach
to
housing
advocates
in
both
your
interviews
on
your
community
working
group
and
make
sure
they're
aware
of
this
process,,
so
they
can
help
develop
those
scenarios.
that
vision,
because,
as
we
all
know,.
The
topic
of
housing
in
boulder
is
incredibly
complex.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
we
are
reassessing
the
potential
for
developing
a
portion
of
the
airport
for
housing
in
neighborhood
serving
uses..
I
think
that
should
be
an
expectation,,
not
just
a
maybe
it
will
organically
arise.
you
know,.
I
think,
that
that
is
a
conversation.
That's
already
been
happening
in
the
community
for
many
years
before
my
tenure,
here,,
probably
before
most
of
the
people
who
are
working
on
this
issue,.
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N
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
that
said,,
I
think
that
you
know
we
laura
kaplan,
pb:,
all
of
the
potential
members
that
you
have
listed.
there
needs
to
be
a
really
robust
conversation
of
what
is
that
potential
for
airport
growth
and
expansion??
What
are
the
benefits??
What
are
the
costs,,
who
benefits
from
it??
What
are
the
impacts?
same
thing
with
redeveloping
it
for
housing.?
What
do
we
gain??
What
do
we
lose?.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
so
I
I
am
curious
to
know
who
has
already
been
interviewed,
and
whether
any
housing
advocates
either
are
on
that
list
or
could
be
added
to
that
list..
And
then
what
are
the
questions
that
have
been
asked
at
those
interviews.?
I
think
amalia
andrews
offered
to
provide
that
list
of
questions
at
the
city
council
study,
session.
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Cob,
allison
moore-farrell
(she/her):,
so
what
we'll
be
doing
is
like
I
mentioned.
we
have
us.
we'll,
have
a
solicitation,
and
we'll
be
having
a
broad
outreach.
for
that
we
have
our
engagement
and
communications
team
working
on
on
outreach
for
that,
and
from
there
we'll
go
ahead
and
select..
It
will
be
a
staff
selection
of
folks
who
will
be
like
like..
I
mentioned
the
potential
members
in
this
group,
and
making
sure
we
have
an
equitable
mix
of
folks.,
we'll
be
running
it
through
the
racial
equity.
Instrument.
we'll
be
running
it
through
our
engagement
team.
AA
Cob,
allison
moore-farrell,
(she/her):
and
making
sure
we
have
the
the
a
good
mix
of
of
folks
who
are
involved
with
the
airport
and
impacted
by
the
airport.
and
that's
throughout
this
entire
process.
we've
learned
folks
who
will
be
involved
with
that..
So
that's
that's.
How
we'll
be
selecting
the
community
working
group
members.?
We
are
aiming
to
keep
it
about
20
to
30
people,,
as
we
found
in
past
working
groups..
That's.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:.
I
would
highly
recommend
that
in
that
group
of
off
airport
stakeholders
that
there
is
not
just
one,
but
a
good
number
of
people
who
understand
boulders,
housing,
issues,
general
community
members
are
great..
Neighbors
are
great.
People
who
understand
the
noise,
impacts,
and,
and
that
kind
of
thing
are
great.
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N
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
and
then
I
I
guess
I
have
a
question
about
how
you're
going
to
develop.
That
scenario
does
this..
If
there
is
a
assuming
that
there
will
be
at
least
one
scenario
that
looks
at
seriously.
What
could
go
on
this
property
for
housing,,
you
know.?
Is
it
low,
income,,
moderate
income??
Is
it
market
rate?.
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N
AA
AA
Cob,
allison
moore-farrell
(she/her):,
state.
yes,.
We
will
be,
you
know,,
looking
at
this
percentage
and
and
that.,
and
so
I
don't
want
to
get
to
ahead
in
the
process.,
but
we
do.
one
of
the
reasons
we
did
choose..
This
consultant
is
because
they
do
have
that
capacity
in
order
to
dig
in,
and
in
order
to
develop
those
scenarios,.
So
we
do
have
confidence
in
them
in
the
capabilities
to
do
that.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
goals,
around,,
reducing
emissions,,
reducing
our
climate
change,
impact,,
reducing
single
occupancy
vehicle
miles
traveled,
for
example,
in
our
building
code..
All
of
that
we're
trying
to
reduce
our
climate
change
impact..
So
it
feels
like
that's
an
important
consideration
for
what
happens
on
this
100
and
some
acre
parcel.
N
Cob,
allison
moore-farrell
(she/her):
and
that
certainly
will
be
part
of
the
process..
We
will
be
running
this
through
the
sustainability
framework,,
so
that
will
be
part
of
the
process.
as
we
are
expanding
the
scope,.
I
can't
speak
specifically
to
what
level
that
will
be,,
but
it
will
be
run
through
that
process.
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N
N
N
Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
but
I
think,
you
know,,
just
like
we
pinned
down
laura
kaplan,
pb:,
who
makes
the
decision
when
something
comes
to
planning
board
or
to
see
the
council,
I
think,,
knowing
who
that
recommendation
is
actually
coming
from,
is
going
to
be
something
that
you're
really
going
to
want.
To
clarify
with
the
group.-
so
they
don't
have
mismatch
expectations
about
about
that
process.
Definitely
a
great
recommendation.
thank
you.
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AA
Cob,
allison
moore-farrell
(she/her):
yeah,.
That
certainly
will
be
one
of
the
roles
of
the
liaison
to
the
planning,
board,
and
kathleen,
and
I
were
just
discussing
that..
We
can,
you
know..
Once
once
the
liaison
is
selected..
I
can
certainly
work
with
them
to
figure
out
the
best
way
to
bring
information
back
to
the
planning
board,
in
addition
to
delays
on
sharing,
so
I.
I
can
certainly
work
with
the
liaison
on
the
details
of
that.
N
N
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
expanding.,
it
was
a
good,,
a
good
choice.,
laura
kaplan,
pb:.
So
thank
you
very
much..
I
know
a
lot
of
my
questions
were
specifically
focused
on
this
housing,,
but
only
because
that's
where
I'm
seeing
a
gap.,
I
want
you
to
know.
I'm
a
100%
supportive
of
developing
scenarios
that
look
at
expanding
the
airport,
enhancing.
What's
there?,
I
think
that
that
alternative
scenario
should
be
very
thoroughly
explored
and
advocated
for.
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AC
AA
Brad
mueller,
cob:
click.
find
that?
cob,
allison
moore-farrell
(she/her):
thank
you.
yeah..
Thank
you
for
that
question,
brad.
yes.,
a
single
planning
board,
liaison.,
well,,
we'd
love
input,
it.
part
of
the
role
of
the
liaison
would
be
to
bring
it
back
to
the
board.
and
and,.
Like
I
mentioned
we,,
you
know
we
are
a
means:
keeping
in
the
20
to
30
range
of
folks.
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AC
AC
B
B
B
AC
AC
AC
AC
AA
Cob,
allison
moore-farrell
(she/her):
yeah,.
Thank
you
so
much,
brad.,
so
the
airport
actually
falls
under
the
purview
of
the
translation
and
mobility
department
within
the
city
of
boulder,
and
is
managed
by
the
department,
and
it's
actually
under
the
purview
of
the
translation,
advisory
board.,
so
so
just
kind
of
a
overview,
john,
that
that's
why
it
is.
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AA
B
AA
Cob,
allison
moore-farrell,
(she/her):,
yeah,
and
I'll
and
I'll
share,
you
know.
I'm.,
I'm
very
happy
that
it
was
brought
up
in
the
boulder
valley,
comprehensive
plan,
because,,
you
know,
we're
we're
really
looking
forward
to
improving
this,,
the
airport,
and
whatever,
whatever
that
outcome
is,,
we
are
looking
forward
to
an
improvement.
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AA
Cob,
allison
moore-farrell
(she/her):,
then
the
can
of
of
working
on
the
scenarios
bringing
those
ideas
together,
and
then
the
consultant
will
be
digging
in
developing
those
scenarios.
Identifying
cost,
benefit
of
those
and
really
fleshing
out
those
scenarios..
So
the
community
working
group
can
dig
into
those
and
make
some
of
those
decisions.
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AA
AA
M
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
AA
N
AA
B
B
M
M
N
N
Laura
kaplan,
pb:.
I
really
appreciate
and
support
the
work
that
the
transportation
department
has
done,
and
I
really
really
sincerely
like
I
don't..
I
don't
know
if
everybody
here
knows
my
background.,
but
I
am
a
public
policy
facilitator..
I
design
and
facilitate
processes
like
this
that
try
to
work
on
public
policy
issues
that
are
controversial
and
so
designing
stakeholder
processes,
something
that
I
do.
N
N
N
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
I
I
really
truly,,
truly
truly
believe
in
the
power
of
robustly
exploring
alternatives
and
having
advocates
for
every
possible
outcome
or
every
likely
outcome,
make
their
case,
and
really
exploring
the
pros
and
cons
and
benefits
and
all
of
that..
So
if
I
were
the
liaison
to
planning
board.
O
O
N
O
O
X
X
N
AA
B
B
AA
AA
Cob,
allison
moore-farrell
(she/her):
kind
of
expectations
of
of
the
liaison.,
so
we
we
do
have
that
as
reference
that
that
we
can
additionally
review.
but,
like
george,,
was
mentioning
it's
really
to
represent
the
planning
board
as
a
whole,
and
and
and
the
perspective
you
provide
to
the
city..
So
that's
you
know
we
we'd
love
that
perspective
on
there.,
so
that
would
that
would
be
a
a
hopeful,
contribution.
B
B
O
B
N
laura
kaplan,,
pb:
no,
thank
you.
everybody
and
I
will
do
my
best
to
represent
what
I
think
is
the
perspective
of
the
planning
board,,
which
I'll
just
state
is,.
We
want
a
fair
process
that
looks
at
the
various
alternatives,,
including
a
housing
scenario.,
but
we
are,
do
not
have
a
predetermined
outcome
in
mind.
we're
very
interested
in
hearing
the
community
conversation.