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B
C
C
Yes,
yeah
I'll
second
seconded
by
Liz,
any
further
discussion,
all
in
favor
of
Brian's
motion,
please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed
that
passes
unanimously.
So
the
next
item
that
we
have
on
our
agenda
is
public
participation
for
matters
that
are
not
otherwise
subject
to
a
public
hearing.
We
have
just
one
public
hearing
this
evening
and
that
is
related
to
an
annexation
and
initial
zoning
for
the
832
Kaptur
Road
property.
So
if
you'd
like
to
discuss
that,
we
will
have
a
separate
conversation
under
that
public
hearing.
C
But
if
you'd
like
to
talk
to
us
about
anything
else,
preferably
not
about
the
Super
Bowl
this
weekend,
but
anything
else,
this
would
be
the
time
to
do
so,
and
we
have
two
people
signed
up.
If
you
would
also
like
to
join
that
queue,
let
Cindy
know
and
fill
out
a
quick
form,
but
otherwise
the
first
person
that
we
have
lined
up
is
Larry
parish
and
Larry.
Has
three
minutes
to
address
the
board
and
welcome.
Thank.
F
F
First
of
all,
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
this
I
own,
a
property
immediately
adjacent
to
the
north
of
the
property
to
be
developed
at
47,
70,
Pearl
Street,
now
referred
to
as
old
Pearl
I.
Think
of
it
as
the
real
pearl,
but
anyway,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
congratulate
Larry
Miller
for
their
project.
They've
been
great
neighbors.
Through
the
past,
we've
been
neighbors
for
about
30
years,
they've
been
wonderful,
I
bought
a
vehicle
from
them,
I'm
glad
to
see
them.
F
Thriving
I
appreciate
good
businesses
doing
well
and
being
able
to
stay
in
Boulder
and
hire
people
here
and
pay
taxes
here,
son
in
favor
of
the
project
and
I'm
pleased
with
what
they're
doing
I
have
a
few
minor
concerns.
I
had
submitted
them
by
telephone
earlier
and
I
believe
they're
in
your
packet.
From
what
I
can
tell.
There
was
one
new
item
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up
as
well.
I've
had
four
item.
The
one
is
drainage.
F
I
want
to
assure
that
the
historic
drainage
from
our
property
which
drains
to
the
southwest
corner
of
our
property,
is
still
maintained
and
drains
properly
and
doesn't
somehow
get
dammed
up
and
I
couldn't
tell
from
the
from
the
plans
what
the
grades
are
exactly
but
I
want
to
make
sure
there's
not
curved
up
or
dammed
up,
because
that
would
be
disastrous
from
my
standpoint.
Another
item
is
the
fence
between
our
properties.
F
There's
a
fence
now
that
I
believe
is
their
fence
and
it
has
a
number
of
holes
in
it
and
it's
a
security
issue,
because
we
get
a
lot
of
vandals
or
homeless
people
trafficking
back
and
forth.
They've
done
a
fair
amount
of
damage
and
theft,
and
my
property
and
I'm
sure
that
that
Larry
Miller
doesn't
want
them
traipsing
through
their
expensive
inventory,
to
cross
my
property
for
that
purpose.
F
F
So
that
would
be
more
traffic
and
potentially
more
potential
hazards
and
that
go
ahead
and
finish
your
thoughts.
Thank
you.
The
real
issue
is
the
sign,
that's
there
and
it's
not
their
sign.
It's
for
the
building
on
the
corner
of
47th
and
Pearl,
but
the
placement
of
the
sign
is
such
that
just
blocks
the
view
completely
of
anything
coming
from
the
south.
So
thank
you.
Yeah.
G
G
It
can
only
be
used
as
a
studio
or
a
work
space.
We're
not
allowed
to
even
have
a
bed
in
that
area
or
let
anyone
sleep
and
that's
determined
by
the
lot
size.
Our
lot
is
a
little
too
small
to
have
a
legal
Oh,
a
you,
I
think
that
got
the
right
terminology
there,
but
but
that
doesn't
really
make
a
whole
lot
of
sense
to
to
have
it
limited
by
by
the
space.
G
So
if
you
come
to
and
and
actually
we
have
used
it
that
way,
it
was
my
photo
studio
for
a
while
and
I
was
part
of
Open
Studios,
but
times
changing
needs
change.
My
husband
and
I
live
in
the
house
in
front
of
it
and
it's
a
thousand
square
feet
thousand
square
feet
means
we
don't
have
a
spare
bedroom,
so
I
have
let
family
and
friends
use
that
space.
It
is
currently
being
used
by
our
son,
who
is
looking
for
work
at
the
moment.
G
If
you
come
to
visit.
What
you
will
see
is
that
cute
little
thousand
square
foot
house
that
we
live
in
and
we
like
living
in
that
area,
because
it
allows
us
to
walk
everywhere,
and
we
like
that
lifestyle
you'll
see
at
the
garage
and
you'll
see
the
unit
above
the
garage
and
how
it
sits
on
the
lot
and
how
it's
currently
being
used.
But
what
I
think
you
will
also
see
if
you
come
is
the
neighborhood
gossip
over
is
somewhat
of
a
transient
neighborhood.
G
We
currently
are
the
only
owner
occupants
on
my
block.
There
is
none
to
the
west
of
me.
There
are
two
to
the
east
of
me
allowing
owner.
Oh
I,
used
in
that
neighborhood
on
slightly
smaller
Lots,
certainly
helps
with
my
flexibility
of
being
able
to
stay
and
live
in
that
area.
I
think
it
would
also
maybe
entice
them
other
people
to
come
and
live
in
the
gospel
area,
because
you
have
to
be
an
owner-occupant
to
actually
have
one
of
those
units
there.
G
H
G
C
H
G
C
I
C
C
J
Evening,
my
name
is
greg,
flyin
time
with
the
Larry,
HML
or
group
and
I
just
kind
of
want
to
introduce
myself
and
be
available
for
any
questions
for
the
first
item
on
the
agenda
this
evening.
So
just
wanted
to
introduce
myself
and
appreciate
staff
and
all
they've
done
for
this
application.
Thus
far,
that's
all
I
had
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Welcome
mr.
Flint
I.
K
J
H
Just
John
I
wanted
to
would
it
be
proper
for
me
to
ask
ask
mr.
Flint
a
few
questions
regarding
mr.
Parrish's
yeah,
so
you
heard
mr.
Parrish
brought
up
three
things:
one
drainage,
hoping
it
will
be
solved
or
it
won't
it'll,
be
it
won't
put
more
water
onto
his
property,
the
second
offense
and
the
third
the
tree
roots.
So
could
you
comment
on
that?
I.
J
Can
comment
a
little
bit
with
what
I
know
of
the
project?
Obviously,
we've
submitted
a
grading
and
drainage
plan,
so
I
have
to
look
at
this,
the
specifics
of
exactly
what
that
entails
and
I'll
talk
to
mr.
Parrish
about
that
a
little
bit
more,
exactly
what's
happening
there
on
the
plan,
B
also
showed
there
will
be
a
block
wall
along
that
north
border
of
our
property,
which
should
help
alleviate
that
fencing
issue
and
I
apologize
in
that
camera,
which
is
third
question,
was
because
it's
the
third
question
so.
L
J
I
I
Two
trees
are
gonna,
be
removed
in
lieu
of
the
wall.
From
what
I
understand
with
regard
to
drainage,
the
city's
code
wouldn't
allow
you
to
impact
historic
drainage
patterns.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
think
I'd
probably
assert
that
the
drainage
in
the
area
is
going
to
be
improved
based
on
the
proposed
plan
or
anything
else.
C
All
right,
thank
you
any
other
questions
for
mr.
Flint.
Thank
you
for
joining
us.
Thank
you.
Would
anybody
else
like
to
address
the
board
this
evening
for
issues
other
than
the
gap
der
annexation,
seeing
none
we'll
move
on
to
the
fourth
item
on
our
agenda,
which
is
a
discussion
of
dispositions
call
up
in
polyps
and
continuations,
one
of
which
has
already
been
mentioned,
which
is
the
of
a
site
review
for
the
toyota
dealership
at
I've,
got
the
case.
C
Number
lu,
our
2016,
zero,
zero,
zero,
nine
five
on
47th,
but
the
addresses
I
think
not
on
here
as
well
as
call
up
for
the
rev
subdivision
at
three
thousand
pearl
parkway,
three
thousand
pearl
parkway
2100
30th
street
21:50,
30th,
Street
and
2120
junction
place.
Does
anyone
have
questions
discussion
or
a
desire
to
call
you
there
of
those
up.
E
I'll
just
comment
that
it
sounds
like
staff
heard
mr.
Parrish's
concerns,
and
can
you
just
speak
to
that
for
a
second
I
mean
I
know
you
Charles.
You
already
did,
but
just
as
part
of
this
portion
of
the
meeting,
just
reiterate
that
there's
not
going
to
be
drainage
issues
or
fencing
issues
or
three
issues.
I.
I
M
N
I'm
the
case
manager
and
the
Planning
Department,
so
I'll
just
go
through
those.
So
in
terms
of
the
drainage
patterns,
they
did
submit
a
preliminary
report
and
they'll
be
required
to
do
technical
document
review
or
we'll
look
at
the
specifics
and,
as
Charles
said,
they're
required
to
maintain
his
start
drainage
patterns
I'm.
Regarding
the
fence
currently
they're,
proposing
a
black
wall
on
that
Eastern
property
line.
N
One
caveat
to
that
is
they
will
have
to
get
approval
by
Excel,
because
there's
a
large
Excel
easement
there
for
the
transformer
lines
at
transmission
lines
and
then
regarding
the
trees,
they
did
submit
a
landscape
plan
and
their
proposal
is
to
completely
resurface
the
entire
parking
area
and
landscape
it
to
our
standards.
So
my
understanding
would
be
that
all
invasive,
our
problem,
trees,
will
be
removed
and
they'll
be
released,
really
I'm
skipping
that
yeah
so.
E
E
N
E
O
L
N
L
N
C
H
N
B
H
C
C
K
C
H
I
P
Right
good
evening
board
size
you
so,
as
you
mentioned,
tonight's
first
and
request
is
for
an
annexation.
Initial
zoning
of
a
residential
property
at
8:32,
Gap
Terr,
so
I'll
just
provide
a
brief
overview
of
the
information
and
staffs
memo,
including
the
property
and
surrounding
context.
The
proposed
annexation
and
zoning
key
issues
and
staff's
recommendation
as
part
of
the
public
process,
written
notice
was
sent
and
notice
was
posted
on
the
property.
P
Who
will
make
the
final
decision
on
the
proposal
moving
on
to
the
specific
property,
the
proposal
is
located:
east
of
gap,
tur
west
of
cherryvale,
north
of
Baseline
and
south
of
Dimmit
drive,
and
the
property
is
located
in
BB
CP
planning
area
2,
which
is
the
area
eligible
for
annexation
and
it's
surrounded
on
the
north,
west
and
south
by
properties.
Already
within
boulder
city
limits.
P
Here
you
can
see
an
aerial
photo
of
the
site
on
the
sites
approximately
0.71
acres
and
contains
an
existing
single-family
home
some
accessory
structures
and
has
access
to
gap.
De
Road
and
properties
on
all
sides
generally
consist
of
single
family
homes
on
similar
sized
Lots.
This
home
is
currently
served
by
a
well
and
a
septic
system,
and
here
you
can
see
some
photos
of
the
property
and
the
surrounding
areas
which
consist
of
a
mix
of
different
styles
of
single-family
detached
homes.
P
The
Boulder
Valley,
Comprehensive
Plan
designates
the
site
as
well
as
properties
on
all
sides
as
very
low
density
residential,
which
is
described
as
single-family
detached
units
at
a
density
of
two
units
per
acre
or
less,
and
the
applicant
has
proposed
annexation
with
an
initial
zoning
of
RR
to
were
residential
rural,
which
is
described
as
single-family
detached
residential
dwelling
units
that
load
a
very
low
residential
densities
in
properties
to
the
north,
west
and
south
are
also
zone.
Rr
and
proper
to
the
east
is
outside
city
limits.
P
P
Here
you
can
see
that
the
property
is
impacted
by
the
100-year
floodplain
of
South
Boulder
Creek,
so
any
changes
or
new
structures
on
the
property
will
be
subject
to
the
city's
floodplain
regulations
and
require
approval
of
a
floodplain
development
permit
once
annex
the
property
would
be
subject
to
all
city
development
standards
and
requirements.
The
applicant
intends
to
replace
the
existing
home
with
a
new
home
in
compliance
with
all
current
floodplain
energy
code
and
compatible
development
requirements
upon
annexation.
P
Key
issue:
2
is
the
proposals,
consistency
with
city
annexation
and
B
vcp
policies,
staff
down
the
application
to
be
consistent
with
many
B
BCP
policies,
in
particular
policy,
1.16
annexation,
and
so
this
proposal
would
allow
the
property
to
be
annexed
to
allow
city,
water
and
sewer
service
to
be
provided
and
thus
is
consistent
with
1.16.
A
and
the
result
of
this
proposal
would
be
the
annexation
of
a
substantially
developed
area
to
property.
In
this
consistent
with
1.16
b
1.16,
C,
D
and
E
provide
requirements
for
community
benefit
depending
upon
the
amount
of
development
potential.
P
C
H
P
Q
C
R
R
E
R
C
You
Thank
You
Liz,
Thank
You
mr.
Kasich,
with
that
I
think
we'll
bring
it
to
public
hearing.
So.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Is
anyone
signed
up
to
address
the
board
on
this
issue?
Would
anyone
else
like
to
address
the
board
on
this
issue
this
evening,
seeing
none
I'll
close
the
public
hearing
and
bring
it
back
to
the
board
for
discussion
and
action?
We
have
a
recommendation
from
staff
that
this
does
comply
with
the
Karo
statutes
for
annexation.
C
Q
Q
It's
hard
to
argue
that
our
r2
is
appropriate
when
all
the
property
around
that
is
also
zoned
r2
and,
in
practical
terms,
it's
going
to
result
in
a
removal
of
non-compliance
structures,
the
replacement
with
a
modern
building
that
meets
energy
codes
and
it'll
put
funds
in
the
coffers
of
our
inclusionary
housing
program.
So
I'm
going
to
support
the
project,
terrific.
H
P
K
I
have
a
question
as
an
educational
point
having
driven
by
the
property,
as
we
saw
in
the
pictures.
So
this
is
saying
that
if
they
don't
okay,
so
if
they
fix
up
the
house
as
it
is
and
remodel
it
leave
it
as
is
and
live
in
it,
then
no
inclusionary
housing
is
triggered
if
they
leave
it
vacant
or.
However,
it
is
now
which
looks
close
to
vacant
then,
and
they
wait
out
three
years.
Then
they
are
free
of
the
obligation.
Mmm-Hmm
no.
P
There's
no
obligation
right
now,
so
our
standards
say
if
you
have
an
existing
house
and
you
in
your
annex
and
you
decide
to
do
a
scrape
that
does
not
trigger
affordable
housing,
inclusionary
housing
requirements
because
you're
not
adding
new
units
to
the
city.
So
it's
only
when
you're,
adding
like
a
new
unit
subdividing
and
things
like
that
that
you
typically
have
to
pay
the
inclusionary
housing.
Thank
you.
Unless.
H
E
Would
listen,
though,
so
if
the
development
standards
change,
for
example,
if
we
changed
our
development
and
a
floodplain
kind
of
standards,
those
would
apply
to
whatever
they
propose
to
do
right.
There's
they're
not
guaranteed
a
replacement
structure
or
anything
like
that,
all
right,
mmm-hmm
all
right!
Thank
you.
D
Gonna
move
right
now,
I'm
gonna
go
to
moved.
We
recommend
a
City
Council
approval
that
proposed
annexation.
With
the
initial
zoning
of
residential
rural
2r2
pertaining
to
the
request
number
L,
you
are
2017
to
zero
zero,
zero.
Seven,
seven
incorporating
the
staff
memorandum
is
finding
as
a
fact
subject
that
recommended
of
conditions
of
approval
for
the
annexation
is
provided
for
a
annexation
agreement
and
attachment
C
I'll.
H
Just
gonna
say
I'm
after
listening
to
a
city
council
discussion
on
a
previous
annexation.
Actually
it
was
the
annexation
revision.
I
would
expect
there
might
be
some
questions
on
the
size
of
Lots
the
size
of
housing.
Is
there
an
opportunity
to
in
the
future
to
be
able
to
subdivide,
but
looking
at
the
RR,
so
ninis
harmon
mentioned
I?
Think
the
council
would
probably
want
to
look
at
that
in
total
for
that
zone
or
an
area
or
have
a
discussion.
C
Terrific
any
other
comments
on
the
motion.
Seeing
none
I'll
call
the
question
all
in
favor
of
the
motion
made
by
Brian
seconded
by
crystal
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
any
opposed
that
passes
unanimously.
Congratulations!
Thank
you
for
joining
us
and
that
takes
us
to
agenda
item
number
6,
which
is
matters
from
the
Planning
Board
Planning
Director
and
City
Attorney,
and
will
actually
start
with
the
planning
director
who
has
two
updates
for
us,
starting
with
the
city
council,
retreat.
C
M
We're
ready
to
roll
yes,
I'm
jim
robertson,
director
of
planning,
housing
and
sustainability.
I
have
a
very
brief
presentation
and,
given
that
this
meeting
is
kind
of
like
a
large
train
at
full
speed,
I
don't
want
to
get
in
the
way
of
that.
So
I
what
my
intention
here
is
to
speak
briefly
to
you
kind
of
run
through
just
a
handful
of
slides
quickly,
so
as
to
open
up
as
much
time
as
possible
as
you
want
for
questions
and
discussions
and
of
course,
I'm
happy
to
be
interrupted
as
I
go.
M
I
should
note
that
in
the
audience
we
have
Leslie
Alice,
Charles,
Ferro
and
Curt
fern
Harbor,
all
three
of
whom
were
also
at
the
council
retreat
and
whose
memories
may
be
sharper
about
certain
items
of
the
retreat
or
whose
depth
of
knowledge
for
sure
exceeds
mine
on
particular
areas.
So
when
we
get
into
questions
and
discussion,
there
may
be
occasions
where
they
would
be
the
best
person
to
deal
with
questions
or
contribute
to
your
discussion
as
you
see
fit.
So
with
that
I
will
proceed
forward.
M
That
was
a
major
portion
of
of
the
early
part
of
the
second
day
of
the
retreat
and
I
put
here.
These
were
a
couple.
These
were
my
sort
of
summaries
of
some
of
the
items
that
were
in
your
letter
to
the
City
Council
and-
and
there
were
others
of
course
and
you'll
see
what
with
the
direction
Council
wet
and
then
some
of
these
issues
are
reflected
in
some
of
the
the
priorities
expressed
by
counsel.
M
The
another
thing
I
wanted
to
make
you
aware
of-
and
this
may
have
direct
relevance
for
the
planning
board
and
perhaps
other
boards
and
commissions,
as
well
as
in
keeping
with
the
work,
that's
being
done
and
will
be
done
in
the
future.
In
response
to
the
work
of
the
public
participation
working
group,
the
council
itself
is
taking
seems
to
be
taking
seriously
the
notion
of
what
can
be
their
role
in
improving
public
engagement
in
in
our
city.
I
just
put
in
here
a
couple
of
the
ideas
they
discussed.
M
I
think
it'll
be
up
to
them
just
sort
of
how
they
live
into
these,
but
they
talked
about
doing
some
form
of
town
hall
meetings
and
I
think
they
mentioned
and
I.
Don't
know
that
this
is
written
in
or
etched
in,
stone,
perhaps
quarterly
sort
of
town
hall
meetings
whereby
they
would
not
have
sort
of
a
hard
agenda
in
terms
of
actual
items
to
be
cleared
from
the
agenda.
But
more
of
a
open
discussion
and
listening
session
I
think
that's
relevant.
M
Actually,
one
of
the
items
in
your
letter
to
council
was
I
think
wasn't
expressly
called
town
hall
meetings,
but
I
believe
it
had
to
do
with
sort
of
neighborhood
forums
or
something
like
that.
I
can't
remember
the
exact
words
that
the
Planning
Board
used.
They
also
would
like
in
the
coming
year
or
two
to
explore
what
can
be
done
for
the
City
of
Austin
to
expand
the
ability
of
people
to
participate
in
meetings,
including
perhaps
participation
that
would
not
require
their
physical
presence
at
the
meeting.
M
So
I
bring
that
to
your
attention,
because
that's
something
that's
that
they
perhaps
see
in
their
future
and
I
think
it
could.
It
could
apply
to
other
boards
and
commissions
as
well
and
then
one
of
the
items
they
called
out
in
terms
of
increasing
the
ability
in
the
end
and
the
and
this
and
the
scope
of
public
partition
participation
was
perhaps
an
increased
reliance
on
the
work.
That's
done.
The
hearings
held
in
the
public
participation
that
occurs
at
the
board
level
and
I.
Don't
think
this
was
a
fully
fleshed
out
idea
at
the
retreat.
M
But
the
idea,
perhaps
being
I,
don't
say
delegating
but
really
honoring
the
the
participation
that
occurs
at
the
boards
in
and
then
weighing
that
in
relation
to
what's
the
appropriate
way
of
to
participate
at
a
council
meeting.
So
those
are
just
some
quick
general
things.
I
wanted
to
bring
to
your
attention
so.
M
This
is
called
this.
This
is
plan
housing
work
planned
pre
retreat,
you
know
is.
This
is
a
summary
of
the
things
we
are
already
doing
now
before
I
get
into
that.
We
have
a
phrase
that
we
use
around
the
office,
the
80/20
I.
Don't
you
may
or
may
not
be
familiar
with
that,
the
80%
being
the
ongoing
work
of
both
the
planning
and
the
housing
work
areas
in
our
department?
M
M
Time
on
that,
so
I,
don't
I
just
wanted
to
mention
to
80/20
and
what
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
really
for
the
rest
of
at
least
my
presentation.
It's
really
more
than
twenty,
this
sort
of
what
you
might
call
special
initiatives
special
projects,
but
I
would
be
remiss
in
reflecting
the
work
of
our
department
if
I
didn't
mention
the
80.
So
these
are
some
work
areas
that
we
are
currently
engaged
in
I
think
you're,
quite
familiar
really
with.
M
As
you
know-
and
it
came
up
just
earlier
this
evening
in
your-
we
are
currently
performing
a
body
work
related
to
OD,
Oh,
a
use
and
a
tea
use
and
then
currently
a
body
of
work
related
to
how
to
handle
via
the
site,
review
process,
requests
for
additional
height
and
sort
of
what
community
benefits
specifically
in
the
case
of
what
we're
been
working
on.
Affordable
housing
are
appropriate
within
that
context.
M
M
What
I've
called
to
the
commercial
to
residential
may
have
particular
implications
for
the
planning
board,
so
just
a
minute
on
sub
Community
Planning
as
I
think
the
in
some
ways.
The
question
that
council
wants
us
to
ask
is
that
you
know
when
a
partial
or
seeks
to
broaden
its
entitlements.
What
are
the
community
benefits
that
should
be
that
come
in
exchange
of
that
you,
as
a
board,
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
this
issue,
so
I
know
you're
very
familiar
with
it.
M
Up
until
now,
we've
been
looking
at
height
and
affordable
housing.
Now
we'll
be
looking
at
perhaps
a
broad
range
of
entitlements
and
a
broad
range
of
community
benefits
along
with
this
will
come.
The
council
wants
us
to
use
this
as
an
occasion
to
take
a
look
at
revising
cleaning
up
whatever
sort
of
verb.
You
want
to
use
the
site
review
criteria
in
general
in
the
way
that
works.
M
The
thing
that
will
be
necessary
to
allow
this
conversion
from
what
we've
been
doing
to
the
new
work
to
happen
is,
as
you,
as
you
well
know,
there's
a
July
2018,
a
sort
of
expiration
date.
If
you
will,
on
the
current
rules
related
to
height
and
community
benefit,
council
could
just
eliminate
that
expiration
date
and
leave
the
current
set
of
the
current
set
of
rules
in
place.
M
You
are
more
familiar
than
I
am
with
the
notion
of
sub
community
planning.
We
in
essence
sort
of
see
it
as
we
have
sort
of
two
deliverables
in
our
sort
of
near
ish
future,
which
is
one
they
would
like
us
to
spend
some
time
to
define
sort
of
what
a
sub
community
program
over
the
over
the
years
would
look
like
what
are
the
kinds
of
things
we
will
be
looking
at
as
we
conduct
sub
community
playing
what
issues
are
on
the
table?
What
what
issues
aren't
on
the
table?
How
might
we
go
about
doing
it?
M
How
long
do
we
think
they'll
take
maybe
recommendations
on
sequencing
of
sub
community
plans
and
so
forth,
because
we
cannot,
of
course,
do
all
of
them
at
one
time,
so
that's
the
first
one
sort
of
creating
and
defining
an
overall
program.
The
second
one
is
they.
They
directed
us
in
terms
of
their
priority
being
the
first
one
we
do
being
what's
called
a
central
Boulder
sub
community
plan
and
by
the
way,
this
map
is
straight
from
I.
M
M
M
You
know
half
acre
to
Thursday
core
3/4
acre
lots,
but
which
have
homes
on
them
that
are
relatively
modest
in
size,
maybe
a
thousand
to
1,800
square
feet,
they're,
seeing
a
proliferation
of
demolition
of
those
small
houses
and
construction
of
very
large
homes
on
them,
which
has
raised
some
concerns
of
theirs.
I.
Put
a
question
mark
in
terms
of
what
really
the
issues
are
here,
because
I
don't
know
that,
even
within
itself,
the
council
has
reached
consensus
or
full
agreement
on
what
their.
M
M
So
as
to
at
least
you
know
as
it
as
it
redevelops
get
to
dwelling
units
instead
of
one
dwelling
unit,
some
some
council
members
have
expressed
concern
just
about
the
size
of
homes,
I,
don't
know
where
this
will
land
of
and
I,
but
at
the
end,
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
ways
of
moving
forward
on
that
affordable
housing,
linkage,
fee
you're,
quite
familiar
with
this.
The
city
recently
went
through
a
process
of
setting
linkage
fees
and
but
the
council
has
expressed
an
interest
in
revisiting
that
and
it's
currently
scheduled
actually
on
unmarked.
M
Fifth,
the
council
will
conduct
a
session
regarding
the
affordable
housing
linkage
fee
and
the
preparations
are
already
underway
within
our
department
to
to
get
ready
for
that
at
a
minimum.
Once
we
have
council
direction
as
to
the
way
they'd
like
to
handle
this,
we
of
course
we
need
to
come
back
with
first
in
a
second
reading
ordinance
and,
of
course,
that's
relevant
to
you
all
because
I,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
that
would
need
to
come
through
you,
as
well
as
a
ordinance
amending
the
code
I
skipped
over
the
mobile
home
strategy.
M
That's
only
because
that's
a
slightly
less
relevant
to
to
your
board,
as
you
know,
the
council
also-
and
it
doesn't
it's
not
reflect
it
here-
is
interested
in
creating
and
actually
the
steps
are
already
being
taken
to
create
a
housing
advisory
board.
With
regard
to
the
mobile
home
strategy,
the
council
thought
once
that
board
is,
is
populated
and
operational.
M
If
you
will,
this
might
be
an
issue
that
they
would
want
that
board
to
undertake
it's
sort
of
a
chief
venue
for
advancing
the
discussions
on
that
it
doesn't
come
without
you
know:
personnel
costs
to
us
and
if
we're
gonna
be
the
Housing
Group
will
be
the
ones
staffing
that
and
perhaps
providing
some
of
the
support
for
the
work
that
they
do.
But
I
didn't
I.
Don't
have
further
detail
on
that
because
it's
a
it's
a
little
bit
less
relevant
to
you
and
then
finally,
the
commercial
to
residential
you're.
M
In
terms
of
next
steps,
we're
working
furiously
right
now
to
prepare
for
going
back
to
council
on
february
20th,
at
which
we
will
report
back
to
them
with
a
sort
of
revised
work
plan
and
present
that
to
them
a
proposed
bright,
revised
work
plan,
and
you
know,
sort
of
under
the
spirit
of
you
know,
did
we
get
this
right?
Did
we
hear
you
correctly?
A
lot
of
these
all
of
the
existing
projects
are
quite
well
defined
at
this
place.
M
We
have
you
know,
purpose
statements,
questions
to
be
addressed,
an
engagement
strategy,
a
schedule
and
so
forth,
but
for
a
lot
of
these
new
areas,
we
don't
have
that,
and
I
don't
know
that
the
council
even
has
reached
a
sort
of
meeting
of
the
minds
themselves
as
to
what
these
bodies
of
work
would
be.
So
I
would
imagine
we
will
be
going
back
to
some
at
point
with
city,
council
and
and
and
hopefully
have
the
opportunity
to
share
this.
Was
you
as
well
sort
of
a
proposed
work
plan,
including
what
is
the
purpose
statement?
M
What
are
the
questions
were
trying
to
answer
scope,
schedule,
board
and
commission
involvement
and
so
forth?
All
of
these
are
going
to
need
further
definition
in
that
regard,
I
guess,
if
you
want
to
think
of
it
as
a
sort
of
bad
news,
good
news
situation,
the
bad
news
is,
we
have
quite
a
bit
of
new
initiative
work
on
our
plate.
The
good
news
is
council
was
very
vocal
and
supportive
of
the
notion
of
us
being
able
to
bolster
our
resources,
whether
it's
with
additional
personnel
or
dollars
available
for
consultants
and
so
forth.
H
I
I
have
something
when
you
were
talking
about
commercial
to
residential
the
last
time.
We
really
did
that
intention
with
intention
was
on
28th
Street
on
the
east
side
of
28th
a
lot
of
rezoning,
and
we
did
a
critique
as
part
of
design
excellence,
or
we
did
a
tour
as
part
of
design
excellence
and
looked
at
the
buildings,
but
the
one
thing
that
I
think
we
really
missed
the
boat
on
that.
I
hope
that
we
can
address
this
time
is
creating
a
sense
of
community.
H
Within
that
newly
you
know
transitioning
area
and
if
you
walk
behind
those
buildings
and
and
it's
just
this
maze
of
you
know
dumpsters
and
really
unattractive
and
missed
opportunities,
and
so
if
Planning
Board
is
gonna,
play
a
role.
I
guess
I'd
like
to
make
sure
that
we
carve
out
that
we
carve
out
some
time
to
discuss
that.
So
we've
talked
about
this
in
the
past
on
our
City
Council
has
in
the
past
and
then
Planning
Board.
H
They
talked
about
area
plan
light,
so
you
could
take
a
broader
view
when
you
bring
these
so
needs
in
and
then
figure
out
the
you
know
how
you
make
places
and
where
they're
gonna
be
and
what
uses
so
anyway,
I
just
bring
that
up,
because
I
was
I.
Think
it's
great.
That
council
wants
to
involve
this
and
I
guess.
I
I
hope
that
this
we
can
accommodate
kind
of
this
bigger
vision
as
we're
looking
at
specific
properties
and
sones
areas.
H
Q
Q
M
M
Ultimately,
by
sort
of
depending
on
the
direction
we
get
there,
sort
of
the
drafting
of
the
sort
of
ordinance
that
would
enable
the
changes
that
flow
from
that
project
so
and
as
n
is
I'm
sure
many
of
you,
probably
all
of
you
know,
there's
been
quite
a
bit
of
outreach
involved
on
that
issue.
Already
public
open
houses,
survey
or
not
sort
of
a
sort
of
questionnaire,
even
sort
of
a
tu
stories
that
have
been
shared.
H
I
mean
I'm
sure
you'll
hear
something
like
this,
maybe
from
counsel
about
public
engagement
around
this
issue,
because
different
areas
have
different
issues,
but
what
I
found
I've
gotten
a
number
of
emails
from
people
and
the
Planning
Board
has
got
some
encouraging
us
and
I've
looked
up
their
address
and
looked
up
the
zone
and
looked
on
our
maps
of
where
ad
youths
are
and
where
our
youths
are
currently
allowed.
And
people
are
saying.
H
Oh
please,
let
me
have
a
no
a
you,
the
owner
accessory
unit,
that's
detached,
and
in
fact
they
can
do
that
now,
they're.
How
and
I've
even
looked
at
their
square
footage
on
the
Assessors
map
so
and
they
do
have
the
coverage
on
their
lot,
and
so
what
I'd
like
to
suggest
is
maybe
some
kind
of
an
open
house
at
some
point.
Can
I
currently
do
an
ad
you
or
an
O
a
you,
I
mean
I,
know
I've
directed
people
to
the
planning
department
to
walk
in
and
ask
that
question.
H
M
I
suspect,
in
the
process
that
has
gone
on
today,
there
have
been
some
occasions
where
perhaps
some
light
bulbs
went
off
for
people
involved
in
terms
of
perhaps
thinking
that
the
rules
either
allowed
or
didn't,
allow
one
thing
or
another
and
they've
learned
through
the
process.
That's
a
great
suggestion
as
we
move
forward
as
well,
though,
especially
once
the
landscape
has
sort
of
stabilized
as
to
what
the
set
of
rules
are.
If
there
are
changes,
and
that
would
be
sound
like
that,
we
would
be
serving
a
number
of
people's
interest
by
doing
that.
Yeah
yeah.
H
A
H
H
I
believe
is
required
to
to
provide
for
your
fire
suppression,
the
sprinkler
or
you
have
to
have
some
kind
of
a
tank
to
to
satisfy
that
requirement,
and
do
your
fire
suppression
off
that
so
I'm
just
saying,
there's
some
complicated
situations
that
you're
gonna
have
to
think
through
and
how
you're
going
to
handle
that,
because
people
are
gonna,
be
pretty
darn
mad
if
they
can't
convert
their
unit.
That
they've
have
been
using
for
an
office
easily.
H
So
I
hope
that
you
invite
balls
in
the
fire
department
in
these
discussions
and
then
you
really
have
such
a
knowledgeable
staff
in
all
the
little
intricacies
and
I'd
love
to
see
a
list
of
things
that
they've
seen
over
the
year,
especially
zoning
and
Charles
stat
Charles's
staff.
You
know
little
things
that
need
to
be
clarified
that
everybody
who
walks
in
the
door
with
an
architect
or
not
ask
these
questions.
H
M
We
had
a
little
bit
of
discussion
not
to
retreat.
Leslie
may
want
to
come
jump
in
and
correct
me
if
I,
when
I
inevitably
hit
this
wrong,
but
as
I
understand,
if
we
call
something
a
sub
community
plan,
it's
sort
of
that
that
at
least
connotes,
if
not
backed
out
means
it
corresponds
with
the
boundaries
identified
in
the
boulder
valley.
Comprehensive
plan
for
the
sub
communities.
M
Council
has
directed
us
to
look
at
that
central
boulder
area,
but
also
include
the
area
around
and
around
and
including
the
Broadway
iris
site
owned
by
the
county.
That
would
cause
us
to
be
looking
at
something
other
than
the
strictly
the
sub
community
as
to
as
its
defined
in
the
in
the
comprehensive
plan.
I,
don't
know
right
now,
whether
that
means
it's
no
longer
really
a
sub
community
plan
and
it's
now
become
an
area
plan
or
something
like
that.
E
And
then
it
used
to
be
a
corridor
plan
or
that's
the
what
we've
been
dealing
with
this
sort
of
the
corridor
idea,
plus
the
broad
ways,
hospital
site,
mm-hmm
and
so
I,
is
the
thinking
that
it
would
expand
beyond
outside
of
that
corridor.
It'd
all
be,
except
for
the.
You
know
that
the
two
sites
that
the
that.
M
Is
this
sort
of
both
the
geographic
scope?
And
then
this
sort
of
even
the
distribution
of
effort
and
inquiry,
within
whatever
the
geographic
scope
is,
is
yet
to
be
determined.
We
think
a
really
an
important
next
step.
We
need
to
have
with
City
Council
before
we
really
embark
on
committing
a
lot
of
effort
to
the
sub
community
planning
effort
is
probably
some
form
of
study
session
with
them
to
talk
about
a
lot
of
these
issues.
Yeah.
E
C
I'll
just
quickly
offer
well
we're
on
the
subject
of
self
Community,
Plan
I
think
the
recent
continued
hollowing
a
base
Mar
suggests
to
me
that
that
may
need
to
be
sooner
on
the
list
than
I
might
have
guessed
a
year
or
two
ago,
and
we
were
talking
in
the
comp
plan.
Thing.
I
think
that
will
need
to
be
and
will
be
an
area
of
change
sooner
rather
than
later.
So
it
makes
sense
to
be
thinking
ahead
about
Community
Engagement,
some
level
of
planning,
even
if
it
isn't
a
formal
man
in
that
area.
L
Did
have
one
I'll,
just
first
I,
just
echo
what
you
just
said
on
base
Marta
I,
think
you
know
with
all
that
wonderful
work
that
was
done
on
the
underpass
to
kind
of
integrate
it
with
the
campus
and
everything
that
there
is
a
lot
of
opportunity
there
and
I
was
really
surprised
to
read
how
badly
businesses
were
affected.
Anything
was
in
the
paper
today.
I
was
looking
at
the
subdivision
issue
and
I
noticed
there
were
a
lot
of
question
marks
up
there.
L
So
maybe
maybe
it's
all
premature
to
ask
this,
but
I
was
wondering
you
know
a
lot
of
the
lots
you
know
in
the
minimum
lot
sizes
in
a
lot
of
these
areas
are
in
that
half
acre
to
3/4
acre
area.
So
you
so
are
we
looking?
Is
it
in
scope
to
look
at
relaxing
the
underlying
zoning,
or
are
we
thinking
of
just
making
it
easier
to
do
subdivision
within
the
current
zoning?
Is
that
been
asked
yet
I
think.
L
L
You
know:
do
a
retirement
mistake
by
building
the
house
I'm
the
second
law
you
know,
but
it's
just
not
allowed
under
the
zoning
yeah,
and
it's
not
something
that
I
get
the
impression
that
a
lot
of
neighbors
would
be
upset
about.
But
then,
of
course
you
know
you
mean
changes
to
zoning
laws
come
with
a
lot
of
yeah.
M
I
love,
it
I
mean
I.
Think
the
thing
we
do
know
is
council
wants
us
to
think
along
the
lines
of
what
what
makes
what
makes
good
outcomes
in
their
mind
possible.
So
I
think
that
kind
of
thing
is
on
the
is
potentially
on
the
table
for
discussion.
But
I
can't
really
at
this
point
say
that's
outside
the
scope
that
you
know,
whereas
something
else
is
inside
this
code.
We.
D
Just
told
him
call
his
pile
on
David's
comment:
there
cuz,
it
is
when
I
was
sort
of
thinking
about
making
myself,
but
yeah
is
a
part
of
a
conversation.
You
really
do
have
to
look
at
what
crystal
brought
up
in
terms
of
utility
servicing
for
those
properties.
We
have
to
look
at
minimum
a
lot
frontage.
We
have
to
look
at
minimum
lot
size
all
those
kinds
of
thing
open
space
controls
on
these
Lots,
so
the
zoning
has
to
be
on
the
table.
That's
what
keeps
it
from
happening
right
now.
D
It's
the
only
thing
that
we
actually
have
to
talk
about
really,
and
so,
but
it
shouldn't
be
I
think
only
focused
on
subdivision,
because
that's
probably
the
right
tool
for
some
of
these
properties,
but
in
other
places
it
really
probably
makes
more
sense
to
do
small
pocket
neighborhoods
that
are
either
condos
or
just
simply
multiple
primary
dwellings
on
a
single
Lots.
So
we're
not
looking
at
a
full
subdivision
process
and
a
lot
of
like
additional
bureaucracy.
That
goes
along
with
that.
D
It's
more
of
a
pattern
but
kind
of
approach,
as
opposed
to
a
sort
of
form
based
code
approach
right,
as
opposed
to
saying
like
well,
here's
this
abstract,
you
could
including
Euclidean
zoning,
that
if
you
sort
of
ping-pong
your
way
through
all
the
little
pegs,
you
eventually
end
up
it
magically.
The
thing
we've
asked
for
without
us
expressing
it
so
I
thinks
a
lot
of
typology
is.
D
It
would
be
really
great
in
that
environment
like
little
bungalow
courts
and
like
little
townhome
subdivisions
or
duplexes
of
triplexes
things
a
lot
of
really
cool
things
that
could
happen
in
there.
I
was
gonna
also
just
say
that
it's
since
City
Council
raised
the
question
of
planning
board
taking
a
fairly
active
role
in
the
use
table.
Piece.
I,
don't
want
to
start
it
right
now,
but
we
do
I've
got
it
all
done
already.
D
No,
but
I
do
think.
Maybe
we
could
do
you
know
a
subcommittee
of
people
who
are
interested
in
working
on
that
that
would
bring
it
back
to
the
board
and
then
that
way
we
could
make
some
progress.
Progress
on
that,
but
I
don't
want
to
start
it
tonight
or
figure
out
who's
on
the
committee,
but
I'd
volunteer
to
be
on
it,
but
we
have
a
chair.
Who's
gonna,
be
leaving
soon
and
I
think
that
something
we'd
want
to
talk
about
when
I
get
the
new
person
on.
M
Chair,
if
I
could
one
in
after
I've
sort
of
breezed
through
my
thing,
I
realized
that
one
thing
that's
you
didn't
see
which
was
kind
of
intentional
I'm
out
of
part,
but
I'm
gonna
call
it
out
that
you
didn't
see
once
the
one
thing
you
didn't
see,
there
is
the
element
of
time,
in
other
words,
what's
the
sort
of
schedule
for
these
well
never
seen?
What's
that,
it's
all
right
now,
yeah
yeah
yeah!
M
So
that's
something
we're
working
heavily
on.
This
is
essentially
a
two-year
work
plan,
the
2018-2019,
of
course,
when
we
do
go
back
to
council
in
the
handful
of
weeks,
we
will
be
trying
to
at
least
lay
out
at
some
schematic
level.
Some
sort
of
you
know
certain
things
will
be
proceeding
at
this
point
in
others,
may
pick
up
midway
and
extend
beyond
the
end
date
of
the
first
one
and
so
forth,
but
I
intentionally
did
not
put
that
in
there
tonight,
because
I
think
that's
still
very
much.
Work-In-Progress
I
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
great.
H
H
The
owners
wanted
to
demo
the
lot
because
they
couldn't
use
it
for
an
away
you
where
they
could
have
one
in
that
zone
because
they
just
have
to
wall
off
the
back
part
of
it.
So
that
triggered
a
discussion
about
giving
landmark
the
authority
to
recommend
a
subdivision,
or
you
know,
to
negotiate
a
subdivision
and
land
marking
the
small
house,
and
then
you
know
letting
the
property
owner
do
what
they
had
planned
to
do
on
the
rest
of
the
property.
H
M
Topic
received
some
specific
discussion
at
the
council,
retreat
in
terms
of
the
relationship
of
incentivizing,
the
preservation
of
either
land
marked
or
potentially
land
marked
properties
and
and
using
subdivision
of
a
way
of
incentivizing
that
so
that
topic
did
get
some
air
time
after
retreat,
and
so
it's
on
there.
It's
on
the
radar
screen,
yeah
and.
H
One
other
thing
on
the
on
the
community
benefit
and
I'm.
Sorry,
I
didn't
bring
it
up
when
we
were
talking
about
the
code
changes,
but
when
we
approved
the
armory,
we
got
a
letter
from
John
Wolfe
who's,
an
architect
that
said
you've
calculated
the
density
on
the
I
think
it
was
the
right
away
that
they
did
not
dedicate
and
and
where
they
were
building
sidewalks
and
and
this
you
know
in
the
plantain
areas,
for
the
trees
and
I
think
John's
letter
I
may
be
wrong,
but
he
came
up
with
it.
H
Was
twenty
extra
units
says
that
that
and
I'll
dig
out
the
letter?
It's
part
of
the
record,
but
twenty
extra
units
that
were
a
benefit
I
mean
that's
a
huge
property
that,
and
that
was
a
benefit
to
the
applicant,
the
developer
and
so
I'd,
like
my
request,
would
be
we
look
at
that
and
decide
what
kind
of
community
benefit
could
be
attributed
to
that,
because
that
is
an
increase,
and
the
second
thing
is
when
we
get
reports
when
we
get
the
staff
report
I'd
at
least
like
that
called
out
how
they
figured
their
density.
C
Q
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
two
comments
and
then
I'll
leave
it
there,
both
on
items
that
you
did
have
discussion
with
council
on,
want
to
see
you
South
and
then
I
just
want
to
say
one
more
thing
about
subdivision.
So
the
I
just
want
to
remind
staff
that
the
the
idea
that
Planning
Board
had
in
the
Sea
of
South
discussion
during
our
comp
plan
process
was
to
create
a
set
of
guiding
principles.
Q
That's
pretty
deeply
thought
through
and
get
them
enshrined
in
the
comp
plan
so
that
they
would
guide
the
annexation
agreement
and
and
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
again
just
to
to
say
that
as
Council,
this
council
looks
at
that
annexation
and
what
should
be
the
componentry
and
that
annexation
agreement.
The
four
bodies
that
approved
this
Comprehensive
Plan
Update
did
it
knowing
full
well
what
those
guiding
principles
were
and
those
should
guide
those
should
continue
to
guide
and
if
they
don't
continue
to
guide
or
if
they're
put
aside
in
any
way.
Q
Q
Not
saying
that
somebody
forgot
to
put
it
in
here,
I'm
saying
we
did
put
it
in
here
and
and
that
as
the
board
talks
as
council
talks
about
Cu
South,
that
those
guiding
principles
were
meant
to,
you
know
create
some
certainty
as
to
what
would
be
in
the
actual
annexation
agreement.
So
I
wasn't
putting
that
out
there
and
then
the
other
piece
is
just
a
commend.
Q
City
Council
for
drawing
the
connection
between
ad
use,
especially
Oh,
a
use
and
subdivision,
and
and
really
you
know,
I
just
I
don't
want
to
get
into
any
any
kind
of
you
know,
nitpicky
analysis
of
what
needs
to
change
in
the
code.
Charles
and
I
had
a
45-minute
long
conversation
about
a
matter
that
I'm
dealing
with
with
a
client,
and
it
really
is
very
complicated
and
Brian
touched
on
some
of
this
stuff
in
terms
of
like
minimum
lot,
width,
lot,
width
and
and
frontage
and
stuff
like
that.
Q
But
what
I
learned
from
this
client
is
that
for
her
an
eighty
and
NOAA
you
or
a
subdivided
lot
really
meant
the
same
thing,
but
that
there
were
certain
advantages
to
going
one
we're
going
the
other.
So
if
she
were
older
and
wanted
to
age
in
place
and
live
in
what
would
be
the
OAU,
she
might
find
herself
in
a
position
where
she
could
take
her
one
time.
You
know
tax,
free
sale
and
she
could
sell
the
front
lot.
Q
The
big
house
to
a
young
family
and
then
have
money
to
live
on
as
a
retirement,
and
in
that
respect,
doing
the
subdivision
would
be
more
advantageous
to
her
than
doing
the
OAU,
though
to
a
passerby.
The
two
configurations
would
look
indistinguishable
from
each
other,
so
putting
those
two
in
the
same
conversation
was
really
a
very
forceful
thing
for
the
council
and
I
hope
that
as
staff
looks
at
it,
they
will
also
realize
that
those
two
can
go
hand-in-hand.
E
E
M
They
specifically
mentioned
it
when
they
were
going
through
the
board
letters
I,
don't
have
a
much
of
a
recollection
of
any
sort
of
significant
conversation
about
resilience
at
the
retreat.
I
do
know.
This
is
nothing
to
do
with
the
council
retreat,
but
the
city's
right
now
in
the
in
kicking
off
the
process
of
sort
of
examining
its
resilience
program.
M
Don't
know
the
answer
this
this
process
of
sort
of
revisiting
sort
of
what
do
we
want
resilience
to
mean
for
our
city,
both
in
terms
of
sort
of
what
it
means
abstractly,
but
what
does
it
mean
operationally?
I
think
we're
just
kicking
off
that
process.
I
see
what
we'll
have
the
opportunity
to
really
I
think
take
a
very
open
minded
view
that
okay.
C
K
K
C
N
T
Good
evening
evening,
kay
hurt
fern
Howard
deputy
director
of
housing.
So
if
you,
a
few
days
ago,
we
had
a
study
session
with
City
Council
on
housing,
Advisory
Board,
so
I'm
just
gonna
give
you
an
update
of
what
we
presented
there
and
also
some
of
the
feedback
that
we
received
from
City
Council
on
December
4
of
last
year,
city
council
indicated
to
us.
T
They
wanted
to
accelerate
the
work
that
we're
doing
on
the
housing
devisor
e
board
and
to
get
it
into
place
in
such
a
way
where
it
could
go
along
with
the
normal
process
of
putting
them
putting
the
board
members
in
place.
So
over
the
end
of
December
in
the
beginning
of
January.
We
worked
diligently
on
that
and
the
approach
that
we
took
was
to
look
at
these
various
areas
to
charter
existing
housing
groups.
T
We
had
previously
done
research
on
the
housing
boards
in
different
areas.
We
updated
that
information
to
look
at
how
other
communities
were
doing
that.
We
received
community
feedback
on
two
different,
open
forums
that
we
had
in
one
in
December,
one
in
January,
and
then
we
drafted
a
purpose
statement,
functions
of
the
board,
the
composition
and
then
at
the
study
session,
because
it
was
on
a
sort
of
a
tight
schedule.
We
actually
before
receiving
their
input,
gave
them
a
draft
ordinance,
which
they
also
gave
you
input
time.
T
T
So
the
current
housing
governance.
This
is
what
it
looks
like
now,
prior
to
having
a
housing
Advisory
Board.
These
are
some
of
the
boards
and
committees
that
give
input
into
areas
of
housing
that
we
deal
with.
Obviously,
Planning
Board
you're,
aware
of
your
role
and
really
advising
policy
that
helps
create
affordable
housing
and
probably
the
I
mean
having
a
huge
impact
on
our
whole
housing
approach.
The
the
TRG
has
been
in
place
for
a
long
time.
It's
it's
appointed
by
the
city
manager
and
really
looks
at
the
the
funding
component
of
the
affordable
housing.
T
T
So
we
looked
at
the
different
housing
boards
around
the
country,
they're
set
up
in
a
lot
of
different
ways,
every
community
sort
of
does
it
their
own
way.
We
found
that
most
of
the
housing
boards
have
a
majority
or,
if
not
all,
of
their
members
being
sort
of
experts
in
the
field,
those
that
don't
would
sometimes
have
a
different
role
to
play.
T
T
They
were,
they
really
wanted
the
housing
board.
You
know
to
have
a
clear
purpose:
they
they've
seen
what
boards
do
when
they
don't
have
a
clear
purpose
or
what
they
don't
do
and
that
it
should
really
advance
the
housing
efforts.
The
city
has
very
clear
housing
goals.
The
housing
Advisory
Board
should
help
obtain
those
goals
and
that
they
should
focus
on
strategy
policies
and
priorities.
T
There
was
different
opinions
from
the
feedback
that
we
received
about
the
type
of
experience
or
knowledge
that
board
members
should
have
whether
it
should
have
a
lot
of
expertise
or
representation
from
the
community,
but
there
there
was
a
sense
that
people,
regardless
of
that,
need
to
be
open,
minded
and
creative.
A
word
we
heard
quite
a
bit
was
innovative.
T
T
So
from
the
experience
side
we
heard
people
say
the
Housing
Board
should
represent
the
seniors.
Some
said
that
should
represent
low-income
individuals
represent
mobile
home
communities,
renters
homeowners,
youth
middle-aged,
but
by
and
large
what
City
Council
told
us
is.
Yes,
we
will
have
diversity
on
the
housing
board
and
you
can
see
from
the
approach
standpoint
that
they
what
we
heard
from
the
communities
they
didn't,
want
the
housing
board
to
have
you
know
an
agenda
or
be
driving
in
a
particular
direction,
but
really
be
open-minded
to
the
various
inputs
from
the
community.
T
These
are
the
assumptions
that
we
started
with
in
drafting
the
ordinance
that
the
housing
board
would
be
an
added
resource
to
help
move
forward.
Some
of
the
housing
ideas
a
place
for
innovation
that
it
would
focus
on
on
policy
making
when
it
comes
to
funding
that
it
would
make
recommendations
on
sort
of
the
direction
of
funding
and
the
strategy
of
funding,
but
not
funding
of
specific
projects.
T
So
this
is
the
the
purpose
statement
that
we
recommended.
Just
the
City
Council
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
read
this
since
you
haven't
seen
it
yet.
A
housing
advisory
board
will
expand
the
city's
capacity
to
develop
and
implement
effective
responses
to
boulders
housing,
affordability,
challenges
and
accelerate
progress
toward
city's
housing
goals.
T
So
there's
there's
a
need,
I
think
for
coordination
with
the
housing
advisory
board.
So
it's
not
sitting
in
isolation,
so
the
the
TRG
c-dac
and
homeownership
committee,
those
are
sort
of
institutionalized
within
the
division
of
Housing
and
our
work,
but
there
should
be
a
connection
to
the
housing
advisory
board
so
both
of
forming
and
informing
and
aligning
in
both
directions.
So,
potentially
there
would
be
someone
from
the
TRG
or
SeaTac
who
would
attend
the
housing
advisory
board.
You
know
once
a
quarter
maybe
give
feedback
on
what
they're
working
on
as
well
Planning
Board.
T
T
T
However,
what
we
heard
from
City
Council,
they
didn't
necessarily
support
the
idea
of
having
that
much
focus
on
professional
experience
and
they
they
their
approach
was
generally.
They
would
be
looking
at
that
with
the
applicants
that
they
see
or
that
applied,
and
that
they
would
take
an
approach
to
ensure
that
all
perspectives
are
represented
and
all
expertise
are
represented
on
the
board,
and
they
didn't
really
want
this.
This
through
those
three
members
driving
those
decisions.
T
So
this
is
the
timeline,
so
we're
going
to
be
bringing
back
an
ordinance
on
the
20th
of
February.
The
recruitment
process
has
already
begun
for
the
for
the
housing
board.
So
it's
now
in
line
with
the
recruitment
of
the
other
boards
in
March
it'll,
be
the
second
reading
of
the
ordinance
on
March
5th,
we'll
be
looking
at
how
we're
going
to
budget
and
staff,
the
Housing
Board,
and
what
the
impacts
will
be
and
our
our
division
and
then
the
board
will
be
appointed
in
April
and
begin.
T
And
these
are
some
of
the
some
of
the
things
that
were
suggested
for
items
for
the
work
plan
for
this
housing
advisory
board,
an
orientation
and
I
think
the
orientation
is
actually
going
to
take
a
quite
a
bit
of
time.
There's
a
lot
of
intricacies
to
to
housing
as
you're.
Well
aware,
the
middle
income
down
payment
assistance
approach
is
something
that's
on
our
work
plan
for
this
year.
So
they
would
look
at
that.
T
Look
at
how
they
could
support
the
regional
housing
coordination
and
then
the
mobile
home
strategy
has
certainly
become
sort
of
an
elevated
project
for
this
year,
and
the
the
housing
advisory
board
would
really
support
that
as
well.
So
I'm
gonna
stop.
There
I
very
quickly
went
through
what
was
presented
at
the
at
the
study
session
and
just
hear
what
feedback
you
would
have
Thank.
E
I
was
wondering
you
showed
all
those
housing
boards
in
the
beginning.
Would
this
be
able
to
take
on
any
of
the
any
of
the
work
that
those
boards
do
or
somehow
I
don't
know
reduce
the
number
of
housing
ports
out
there
or
each
of
those
other
boards
have
such
specific
duties
or
whatever
that
they
wouldn't
be
come
part
of
this
right.
T
So
the
approach
that
we
took
is
that
the
we
wouldn't
be
creating
repetition,
so
the
housing
advisory
board
wouldn't
be
doing
the
same
thing
that
other
existing
governance
structures
are
already
doing.
Some
of
those
governance
structures
are,
you
know,
set
up.
You
know,
through
a
requirement
of
HUD
funding.
Some
are
set
up
because
the
it's
a
it's,
a
regional
like
the
housing,
the
the
homeless
is
set
up
by
the
county
commissioners.
They
each
have
their
specific
areas
that
they
focus
on
the
housing.
E
And
it's
on
those
other
boards,
it's
the
membership
and
minutes
and
all
of
that
available
to
everyone.
So
people
who
are
applying
for
the
housing
advisory
board
could
go
through
all
of
that
material
and
get
up
to
speed
or
whatever
on
some
of
the
issues
anyway
seems
like
so
all
of
those
Lords
have
minutes
and
that's
correct
ships
and
all
that's
public.
T
T
E
C
Q
K
Q
Q
And
with
that
in
mind,
I
think
that
a
focus
of
the
Housing
Board
should
be
actually
lightening
the
load
of
staff,
not
creating
another
order
to
serve,
but
rather
a
board
that
serves
and
meets
maybe
quarterly,
with
special
meetings
as
necessary
and
really
focuses
on
these
policies
and
ways
of
implementing
them.
That
that
would
meet
our
goals
and
help
us
reach
our
goals.
And,
if
that's,
what
the
housing
boards
supposed
to
be,
then
I
can
really
get
behind
it.
So.
T
T
Their
request
is
for
the
housing
divisor
board,
because
it's
such
an
emerging
and
important
issue
that
they
meet
more
often
than
that
and
I
have
probably
four
extra
meetings
per
year
on
top
of
the
monthly
meetings
well
kind
of
we'll
see
how
that
goes.
I
don't
think
it's
realistic
to
think
that
the
housing
advisory
board
will
lighten
the
load
of
staff,
but
I
think
it
will
be
another
place
for
us
to
engage
with
the
community
and
hopefully
have
more
constructive
dialogue.
D
D
Good
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
then
because
it's
nice
to
have
slow
turnover
as
opposed
to
whole
board,
vacate
all
at
once.
I
like
the
idea,
that's
got
a
balance
of
expertise
and
lay
people
on
there.
I
think
whether
the
balance
tip
one
over
there
don't
is
that
important.
That
totally
depends
on
who's,
the
more
compelling
person
for
it.
Anyways,
probably
I,
really
like
the
idea.
It's
focused
primarily
on
innovation
and
that
kept
coming
up.
D
I
think
a
lot
of
input
that
came
from
the
work
groups
and
council
has
really
elegantly
put
together
something
this
really
feels
good.
I
didn't
read
the
ordinance
yet
so
I
don't
know
what
all's
in
there
I
do
like
the
idea
of
being
built
of
both
renters
and
owners,
so
that
populations
and
diversity-
and
maybe
the
you
know
the
appointment,
can
be
you
know
if
you
don't
get
to
write
in
there
that
it's,
you
know
very
specific
mix
of
folks.
D
Maybe
the
diversity
language
can
make
it
in
there
pretty
strongly
I
like
the
idea
of
having
a
planning
board
member
sitting
as
the
ex
officio
member
on
that
board
as
well.
I.
Think
that's
working
really
well
on
the
other
boards
and
it's
it's
kind
of
nice
opposed
to
just
do
the
same
thing.
We're
doing
on
all
these
other
boards
and
not
have
it
be
a
totally
different
animal
and
yeah
so
I
think
I
started
off
housing
board
skeptic
and
have
landed
as
a
housing
board
supporter.
So
you
won
me
over
that's
great.
H
H
There's
gonna
I
was
thinking
about
cohousing
and
there's
gonna,
be
it.
Someone
asked
me
some
questions,
so
I
started
researching.
It
went
to
Brian's
website.
Of
course
it's
got
a
wealth
of
information,
but
I
saw
that
there's
going
to
be
a
cohousing
conference,
April
19th
through
the
21st
and
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
be
able
to
offer
that
to
them,
and
if
you,
hopefully
you
have
some
funds
to
do
that.
If
you
don't,
I
won't
go
to
the
American
Society
of
landscape
architects
conference
I'll,
throw
that
money
in
the
pot.
H
It's
not
really
my
money,
but
I
just
think
it
would
be
wonderful
to
to
have
them
start
with
something
like
cohousing,
because
I
think
people
are
gonna,
be
more
and
more
interested
in.
It
addresses
like
senior
issues
and
Families
a
lot
of
things.
So
that's
a
suggestion
for
the
orientation
and
also,
rather
than
Trek
out
a
state
for
all
these
conferences.
Apa
AIA,
the
American
Institute
of
Architects
American,
Society
of
landscape
architects.
They
all
have
good
local
Colorado
conferences,
and
you
know
you
can
take
a
look
at
the
agenda.
Some
might
be
emphasizing
housing.
H
L
Yeah
I
have
to
agree
that
seeing
the
potential
work
plan
items
really
helped
me
understand.
How
of
you
know
we
in
Planning
Board
are
gonna,
really
benefit
from
hearing
some
interesting
perspectives
and
have
like
this
is
the
one
that
just
really
struck
out
when
I
was
I.
Guess
I
read
in
the
Daily
Camera
article
on
it
was
the
mobile
home
strategy.
L
I
think
that
that's
something
that
we
don't
get
a
chance
to
get
involved
with,
but
there's
so
many
issues
that
have
come
up
over
the
last
few
years
on
that
and
to
have
to
have
a
group
kind
of
looking
at
that
in
more
depth.
I
think
would
be
really
useful.
We
have
an
awful
lot
of
mobile
home
dwellers
here
in
Boulder
and
they
face
a
lot
of
issues
to
the
rest
of
the
rest
of
the
community.
Doesn't
face
so
I'd
like
to
see
some
support.
For
that
looks
good.
Thank
you.
So.
C
C
So
it
may
be
some
trimming
of
scope
to
focus
on
the
things
that
this
body
could
do
best
would
be
best
and
on
that
front,
annek
staggered
terms
are
important,
but
it's
worth
thinking
about
a
structure
that
would
keep
everybody
on
for
at
least
couple
years,
because
I
think
there's
gonna
be
so
much
of
a
learning
curve,
both
on
the
technical
side
and
then
engagement
with
the
public.
It
would
be
a
shame
to
have
whoever
has
that
one-year
slot.
C
For
example,
if
you
just
do
a
normal
stager
to
invest
all
that
in
and
then
rotate
them
right
off
and
then
having
to
start
kind
of
cold
and
fresh
with
somebody,
so
you
know
I
think
just
thinking
about
the
that
kind
of
capturing
and
keeping
knowledge
and
then
balancing
you
don't
want
to
have
an
entrenched
group
that
doesn't
have
change
either.
There's
a
balance
on
that
too,
but
I
think
the
fine-tuning
on
that
will
be
critical
to
how
successful
it'll
be
well.
C
Q
J
D
H
And
I
have
suggested
that
you
know
American
Society
of
landscape.
Architects
has
halves,
of
course,
a
yearly
conference,
and
their
emphasis
is
a
lot
more
on
urban
design
and
I
just
thought.
You
know.
If
we
look
at
the
agenda,
it's
going
to
be
in
October,
there
might
be,
and
it'll
come
out,
probably
at
the
end
of
summer
and
I'd
like
to
put
that
on
the
table
as
having
people
might
be
interested
in
that,
but
also
one
other
thing
is
being
able
to
go
to
some
of
the
local
conferences
that
I
mentioned
as.
S
H
M
S
D
H
M
C
Q
S
New
person
well
I
need
to
check
with
the
new
person
as
well.
No.
A
E
C
C
C
C
H
John
I
did
have
one
issue
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up.
It's
not
an
issue,
it's
just
a
suggestion
is
we
got
the
public
participation
working
group
recommendations
and
did
we
talk
about
maybe
having
a
subcommittee
meeting
and
making
some
recommendations
on
how
Planning
Board
can
implement
that
and
maybe
kind
of
tailor
it
to
planning
board
the
thing
I'd
like
to
do
that
I
think.
C
We
should
do
it
anyways
as
part
of
our
own
internal
operations,
because
there
are
things
we
probably
can
do
to
keep
doing
a
better
job
of
engaging
the
public
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
so
and
I
think
we
can
probably
do
that
without
necessarily
creating
a
burden
on
staff
or
having
to
have
a
particular
direction
from
Council.
So
I
think
it
would
make
sense
to
do
that.
Again.
C
Probably
my
suggestion
would
be.
It
would
make
sense
to
involve
whoever
the
next
chair
would
be,
and
so
I
would
suggest
setting
up
that
subcommittee
when,
when
you
all
make
that
decision
and
maybe
have
the
new
member,
because
I
think
that'll
be
important
to
have
the
kind
of
buy-in
sits
a
lot
of
what
happens
just
from
public
engagement
and
participation
and
that
sort
of
thing
you
know
happens
in
the
middle
seat.
C
E
Since
I
live
in
the
311
Mapleton
area,
people
keep
asking
me
questions
and
I
just
say:
talk
to
staff,
but
I
have
sent
some
people
to
Jean
and
Sarah
just
because
this
is
sort
of
a
case
study
of
how
a
site
review
might
you
know,
work
with
the
public
engagement
because
all
the
other
public
engagement
things
as
we've
talked
about
or
have
been
on
public
projects
and
not
private
projects.
So
anyway,
there
may
be.
You
know
before
we
just
head
off
on
our
own
direction.
E
C
That
makes
sense
and
I
also
think
consistent
with
what
we
suggest
to
council.
It
ought
to
be
soup
to
nuts
from
the
beginning
to
end
of
a
kind
of
a
cycle
of
a
project
or
a
matter,
and
some
of
that
is
purely
on
the
staff
side
and
engagement
with
the
applicant
before
we
even
get
involved
or
even
can
get
involved
under
the
ex
parte
rules.
And
so
you
know
I
think
that
absolutely
should
involve
that
discussion
right.
M
Now,
if
I
could
just
throw
this
in
for
your
consideration,
just
FYI
at
a
upcoming
date,
which
I
don't
have
in
my
head,
my
calendars
back
there,
my
backpack
over
there,
but
a
take
upcoming
study
session
in
the
very
near
future.
I,
don't
know
whether
hello,
you
remember
the
day.
The
council
will
be
devoting
the
entire
study
session,
all
three
hours
to
the
public
participation
topic
I,
believe
they
have
settled
on
dividing
it
roughly
into
thirds.
M
The
first
third
will
be
actually
a
trainer
from
the
International
Association
of
public
participation
will
be
coming
in
and
providing
counsel
a
training.
The
second
hour
will
be
taking
that
information
and
dovetailing
it
with
the
public
engagement
framework
that
the
City
Council,
that
this
staff
brought
to
City
Council
in
Council
City
in
essence,
accepted
in
November,
and
then
the
third
hour
will
be
basically
taking
a
case.
Study
I'm,
not
sure
they've
settled
on
what
what
the
subject
of
the
case
study
will
be
and
using
that
as
a
way
of
sort
of
operationalizing.
O
L
M
E
M
H
C
Thoughts
from
the
public,
maybe
even
invite
some
of
the
people
on
on
some
of
the
the
particular
projects
that
worked
well
or
didn't
work
as
well
from
kind
of
a
public
engagement
process,
and
we
certainly
had
some
where
I
think
people
felt
they
weren't
heard,
and
some
of
that
may
have
been
within
our
control
and
some
of
that
may
be
subject
to
the
limitations
we
have.
But
you
know
I
think
it's
worth
at
least
having
a
kind
of
broad
conversation
about
that,
and
you
know
kind
of
feeding
it
into
a
dialogue
about.