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Pb,
john
gerstle:,
so
welcome
back
to
mark,.
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B
B
B
Brenda
ritenour
(she/her):
and
thank
you
all
for
your
patience.
While
we
do
a
first
first
try
at
this
timer
background
for
our
brand
new
planning
engagement,
strategist,
vivian
castro,
wldridge.
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Brenda
ritenour
(she/her):,
so
they
have
every
declared.
brenda,
ritenour
(she/her):
yeah,,
not
seeing
it.
okay,
that
is
okay.
um..
So
then
I'm
going
to
use
my
cell
phone,,
which
will
be
weird..
I
know
you've
been
patient
with
that
before,
and
I
appreciate
you
being
patient
with
it
again
tonight,,
and
I
know
also
that
it's
probably
preferred
to
losing
everyone's
basis.
B
Brenda
ritenour
(she/her):
so
and
welcome
to
our
other
community
member
who
just
joined
us..
We
are
just
now
going
into
open
comment..
So
if
you
would
like
to
speak
tonight,,
we
encourage
you
to
raise
your
hand.
just
realizing
this
sequel.
I
have
taken
for
granted
that
you
would
like
to
speak,,
but
your
hand
is
not
out,.
B
Brenda
ritenour
(she/her):,
so
I'm
going
to
ask
again
for
anyone
who
would
like
to
speak
to
use
the
raise
hand
function
at
the
bottom
of
your
screen
to
raise
your
hand,
and
let
us
know
that
you
would
like
to
speak
tonight,,
because
I
don't
want
to
put
you
on
the
spot.
If
that
was
not
your
intention,.
B
B
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
B
A
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:
harass
elaine
on
any
issue
which
we
want
to
do,,
because
rumor
has
it
that
she'll
be
leaving
the
city
soon,
and
that
this
is
the
last.
project
that
we
get
to
look
into
with
her..
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F
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
thank
you,
elaine,,
so
much,
you
know.,
we
always
say
thank
you
for
your
service
to
our
military,
and
there's
very
good
reason
for
that.,
but
I
think
there
is
also
a
good
reason
to
say
thank
you
for
your
service
to
our
public
servants,,
because
you
go
through
heaven
and
hell
to
try
to
make
this
city
a
better
place,
and
we
so
appreciate,
you,,
elaine,
and
and
all
of
your
years
helping
out
the
city
of
boulder..
We
are
a
better
place
because
of
you..
So
thank
you
so
much.
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Pb
mark
mcintyre:
pb
mark
mcintyre:,
perfunctory
sort
of
thing
that.
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D
D
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
oftentimes
final
plats
on
a
project
such
as
this
are
an
actual
requirement
of
the
site.
review
approval..
So
when
the
segue
was
approved.,
there
was
a
live,
you
know..
Let
me
have
approval
of
conditions..
This
was
the
final
subdivision
document
being
one
of
them.,
so
in
many
ways.
this
just
executes
the
approval
that
the
board
has
already
made.
D
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
um,,
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
issue
building
permits
for
the
site
reviewed,.
It
wouldn't
be
able
to
execute
the
entitlement
that
they've
been
granted
from
the
board
until
you
guys
had
a
hearing
a
subdivision
and
examined
staff's
analysis
of
the
criteria..
So.
D
Cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
which
um!
when
it
comes
to
a
subdivision,,
are
very
prescriptive.
they're,
pretty
black
and
white..
Either
you
need
the
minimum
mod
standards
or
you
don't
either..
You
need
the
access
requirements.,
you
don't
um,,
so
I
don't
know
that
I
have
any
great
examples
to
say,
but
um!
in
this
case
it
it
simply
implements
an
approval.
That's
already
been
issued.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
oh,.
I
was
just
going
to
note
that
amanda
was
back,
but
I'
she's
been
promoted,
so
so
welcome
back,
amanda
and
I
don't
want
to
preempt
if
anybody
else
has
comments
about
mark's
question
or
anything.,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
congratulations
to
the
waldorf
school
and
the
project
team
and
the
city
staff
who
worked
on
this
as
a
whole.
yeah,
it.
It
looks
like
a
great
project,
and
I'm
excited
to
see
it
moving.
Forward.
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A
Pb,
john
gerstle:
okay.
pb,
john
gerstle:.
So
now
we
move
into
a
discussion
and
back
into
the
section
of
the
meeting
called
matters
from
the
planning
board
playing
director
and
city
attorney,.
And
the
first
thing
on
our
agenda
is
a
presentation
of
the
use
table
and
standards
with
ah,,
an
update
of
a
project
and
a
module
to
introduction.
and.
A
D
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
thanks,
charles.,
good
evening,
members
of
the
planning
board.,
I'm
looking
forward
to
this
conversation
about
the
use
table
and
standards
project..
The
purpose
of
bringing
this
to
you
tonight,
as
a
matters
item,
is
to
update
you
on
the
second
phase
of
the
project
and
discuss
the
next
steps
related
to
industrial
areas
and
the
neighborhood
serving
uses.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
so,
as
you'll
remember,
I've
seen
this
a
few
times
this
year.
the
phase.
two
of
these
table
and
standards
project
is
put
into
three
different
modules..
So
we
had
our
first
module.
the
functional
fixes
for
those
technical
updates
that
you
saw
this
spring,
and
they
were
up
adopted
in
june.
and
now
we're
really
working
on
module,
two,
which
is
focused
on
industrial
areas,,
hoping
to
get
that
done
by
the
end
of
this
year,
and
then
we'll
move
on
to
module
three,,
which
is
related
to
neighborhoods.
neighborhood.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
centers
things
like
that,
lisa,
houde,
cob:,
and
I
do
a
little
bit
of
background
just
to
remind
you..
This
project
has
been
in
going
on
since
two
thousand
and
eighteen,
when
it
was
identified
as
a
priority
project
by
planning
board.
um,.
We
adopted
phase
one
of
the
project
back
in
two
thousand
and
nineteen,
and
started
phase
two
in
two
thousand
and
twenty,
did
some
virtual
engagement
at
that
point,.
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
but
we
are
still
using
all
of
the
great
public
engagement
to
guide
the
rest
of
this
project
from
what
was
done
before
that
pause..
The
initial
goals
for
the
project
are
also
still
in
place.,
so
those
are
really
based
on
trying
to
update,
uh,,
simplify
and
streamline
the
use
table
to
make
it
more
understandable
and
legible..
That
was
really
the
focus
of
module,
one
and
just
generally
creating
more
predictability
and
certainty.
and
what's
a
very
complex
part
of
our
code,
or
hopefully
as
much
improved.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
from
module
one
now,,
but
the
remainder
of
work
in
model
two
and
module.
Three
is
really
focused
on
those
third
and
fourth
goals,.
So
that's
aligning
the
use
table,
and
the
permitted
uses
with
the
boulder
valley,
comp
plan,,
making
sure
that
that
we're
allowing
things
that
we're
saying
that
we
want
in
the
comp
plan.
also
allowing
that
in
the
code,.
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
you
might
remember
that
we
had
a
planning
board
subcommittee
that
was
providing
a
ton
of
great
guidance
before
the
project
was
caused
over
twenty
meetings,,
where
they
really
dug
in
row
by
row,,
call
it
by
column
into
the
use
table
and
have
provided
really
great
guidance..
That's
still
meeting
the
project.,
so
areas
of
consideration,
things
to
think
about
changes
to
make
really
at
a
fine
range
level..
We've
kind
of
re
envisioned
that
planning
board
subcommittee,
since
the
project
has.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
been
restarted,
and
I'll
talk
about
that
in
a
couple
slides
as
a
group..
The
whole
planning
board
has
seen
this
item
several
times
a
couple
of
times
this
year,,
but
also
back
in
two
thousand
and
eighteen,
nineteen
and
twenty.,
but
you
all
are
probably
familiar,
most
familiar
with
this
second
phase
of
the
project
that
we've
been
talking
about.
This
year.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
I
wanted
to
focus..
You
probably
saw
in
the
mental
that
we
kind
of
have
three
main
questions
that
we
wanted
to
ask
you
tonight
to
get
some
direction,,
as
we
really
start
to
actually
draft
the
ordinance
language
for
module,
two.,
and
so
the
first
two
questions
are
focused
on
that
module
to
the
industrial
districts.
and
then
the
third
question
is
more
just
general
direction
for
the
module
three
related
to
neighborhood..
So
we
haven't
quite
started
that
part
yet..
So
it's
more
just.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
here's
the
direction
that
we've
heard
so
far.
Before.
the
project
was
paused,
and
from
the
public
engagement,.
Is
there
anything
else
we
should
think
about
integrating
before
we
get
started.
so,
digging
in
first
to
industrial
districts,,
I
wanted
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
background
on
the
districts
and
the
policies
that
are
guiding
this.
so.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
you
all
are
probably
familiar..
There
are
basically
three
areas
in
boulder
that
have
industrial
zoning,
and
that's
really
the
focus
for
module
two..
It's
these
areas
that
have
industrial
districts
within
them..
So
we've
been
talking
a
lot
lately
about
east
folder.
That's
where
there's
a
chunk
of
industrial
zoning.,
there's
also
quite
a
significant
land
area
of
industrial
zoning
up
in
gun
barrel.,
and
then
we
have
a
small
area
of
industrial
zoning
at
the
very
north
end
of
the
city
on
more
broadway.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um.,
if
you
have
memorized
every
single
one
of
our
forty
plus
zoning
districts.
you'll,
already
know
this,,
but
just
sort
of
pressure.
For
some
we
have
four
industrial
zoning
districts..
Our
first
is
the
is
that
the
industrial
service
district,
and
that's
really,
the
intent
in
the
code
says
that
that
should
be
for
repair
and
service
uses
for
the
community
and
small
scale,
manufacturing
uses.
J
J
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um,
yeah.,
so
I
ask
if
the
industrial
service
so
prepare
and
service
uses
small
scale.
Manufacturing.,
that's
really
the
intense
of
those
districts.
there's
the
is
one
and
is
two..
So
we
have
two
of
those
um.
there's,
also
the
industrial,
general
or
ig,.
That's
kind
of
the
light
industrial
district.,
that's
where
in
flight,
industrial,
uses,,
research,
manufacturing.,
also
service
industrial
is
supposed
to
be
there,
and
the
the
land
use
code
actually
says
that
residential
and
complementary
uses
are
appropriate
in.
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
ims
is
a
kind
of
a
different
animal..
It's
more
meant
to
be
a
transition
between
industrial
areas
and
commercial
areas.,
so
it's
much
more
pedestrian
oriented,
and
it
focuses
on
the
industrial
uses,
being
at
the
first
floor.
and
maybe
there's
industrial,
residential
or
office.
above
so
those
are
the
four
districts
that
we're
talking
about
and
focusing
on
tonight.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
just
some
reminder
of
the
policy
background.,
so
I've
mentioned
that
those
initial
goals
for
this
project
are
to
implement
the
comprehensive
plan..
So
for
this
module,
that's
really
focuses
on
this
policy
from
the
conference
two
point,
two,
one..
So
this
is
screenshoted
from
the
code.
um,,
and
we've
really
been
focusing
on
these
guiding
principles
that
are
in
the
plan.
uh,
really
one,,
two,
and
three
are
related
to
landy's,
changes,
four
and
five
or
more
transportation
related..
But
that's
what
we're
using
to
guide
the
work.
so.
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
I
mentioned
we've
kind
of
re-envisioned
that
planning
board
subcommittee..
It
was
a
fairly
formal
process
where
the
planning
board
could
talk
that
the
public
couldn't
really
engage,
they
could
provide
comments,,
but
it
wasn't
a
direct
way
to
really
have
a
conversation,,
and
so
we
re
envisioned
that,
as
we
have
our
planning
board
liaisons,,
which
are
sarah
and
ml..
We've
been
working
with
about
every
other
month,
kind
of
diving
further
into
detail
on
these
projects,
and
getting
some
initial
guidance
and
thoughts,
and.
I
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
guidance
from
the
outside
of
each
of
these
modules,
and
also
feedback.
once
we
have
drafts,
so
we're
meeting
with
them
every
other
month
as
well,
trying
to
work
through
this
project
with
them,,
so
that
we
have
this
early
and
often
engagement
with
that
as
well.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
but
in
addition
to
these
kind
of
focused
conversations
that
we're
having
with
these
two
groups,,
we
also
want
to
do
a
broader
engagement
to
the
broad
public
of
the
city..
So
we
did
have
a
questionnaire
available
over
the
last
few
weeks
on
we
heard
boulder,
the
public
engagement
site,.
So
I'll
go
over
some
of
the
results
that
we
got
from
that
questionnaire,
which
I
think
will
help
frame
the
discussion.
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
I
mentioned
this
questionnaire..
It
was
open.,
it
actually
is
still
open
for
comments.,
but
I
did
a
snapshot
in
time
of
what
we
had
heard
as
of
yesterday
morning..
So
these
are
responses
from
august
thirtieth
through
september
eighteenth.,
we've
actually
gotten
a
few
more
since
then.
um,,
but
we've
got
eighty
three
responses,,
which
is
great
for
a
very
technical
zoning.
Topic.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um!,
and
we
promoted
the
questionnaire
through
our
planning
and
development
services.
newsletter,,
which
reaches
over
five
thousand
recipients..
Our
communications
team
did
a
post
on
next
door
to
all
the
older
residents,
and
about
three
thousand
people
use
that
post..
Our
facebook
and
twitter
accounts
had
posted
promotions
about
those,,
both
on
september
first
and
fourteenth.
You
have
tons
of
followers
on
social
media,.
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
So
let's
get
to
some
of
these
results.
it
was
a
simple
questionnaire.
um,.
We
did
actually
bet
some
of
these
questions
with
our
public
working
group,,
so
making
sure
that
we
use
terminology
and
kind
of
the
questions
that
we
wanted
to
hear..
So
that's
been
a
helpful
addition
from
that
working
group
as
well,
to
some
guidance
on
the
public
engagement.,
but
first
question,.
How
important
is
it
to
you
to
retain
space
for
industrial
uses.?
I
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
you'll
see
that
this
one
is
much
more
mixed.,
so
about
a
little
over
half
of
people
said
that
they
agreed
or
strongly
agreed.
um,,
but
we
had
over.
Thirty
percent
of
people
say
strongly
disagree
or
disagree.
So
definitely
mixed
reactions
to
that..
There
was
a
lot
more
detail
added
to
the
next
question,
because
there
was
an
open
comment:
option.
um!.
So
this
was
kind
of
a
related
question
that
if
housing
is
allowed,,
how
did
the
city
determine
which
sites
are
appropriate
for
housing?.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
We
gave
some
options
like
close
to
supporting
uses
like
retail
and
restaurants
close
to
transit
on
a
case
by
case
basis,
using
continuity,,
which
is
our
existing
standard.
using
our
subcommittee
plans
or
a
location
on
major
street..
We
also
gave
this
other
ideas,
and
that's
where
people
really
added
a
lot
more
information
about.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
where
they
thought
that
might
be
appropriate,,
and
that
was
usually
I
mean..
It
was
a
wide
variety
of
comments,
but
kind
of
adding
more
nuance
to
well,.
If
housing
was
allowed,,
it
should
not
be
in
this
location,
or
should
be
in
this
location,,
or
should
be
this
height,
or
there's
a
lot
more
specifics
in
that.
and
um,,
because
we
did
just
close
the
survey..
I
didn't
have
that
full
summary
for
you.,
but
the
full
summary
of
all
of
the
engagement
and
are
all
of
the
results
and
the
written
comments.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
we'll
be
available
on
the
beer,
folder
site
soon,,
and
it
will
definitely
be
available
by
the
next
time
that
you
would
see
this
project
so
just
wanted
to
give
the
high
level
for
now.
um!.
But
this
is
an
interesting
result,,
because
um!
these
are
good
ways
to
think
about
what
how
we
could
might
change.
um,,
how
we
determine
where
sites
are
appropriate
for
housing
in
the
residential
area..
So
one
thing
is
in
the
working
group.-
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
the
adopted
subcommunity
plans
being
a
good
way.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
several
of
these
kind
of
speak
to
subcommittee
plans..
So
a
subcommittee
plan
would
tell
you.
you
know
where
you're
close
to
other
supporting
uses,
or
close
to
transit,
or
things
like
that.,
so
they
kind
of
all
work
together
in
my
mind.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
okay,
this
next
one
might
look
a
little
complicated
for
data.,
but
what
we
did
with
the
question
is,.
We
gave
twenty
five
different
examples
of
different
types
of
businesses,
and
ask
people
to
answer
what
types
of
businesses
do
you
think
are
appropriate
in
industrial
areas,,
and
so
they
could
choose
as
many
as
they
wanted
or
all
of
them.,
and
I
think
it's
interesting
to
look
at
this
data
kind
of
from
two
perspectives.
there's
the
bars,,
which
is
the
number
of
people
that
voted
for
each
use.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
but
then,.
If
you
also
think
about
the
percentage
of
respondents.,
I
think
that's
interesting,
too.
um.,
so
that's
the
bar
at
the
top.,
so
over.
Seventy
five
percent
of
people
that
took
this
questionnaire
said
that
these
businesses,
in
that
green
box,
were
appropriate
in
industrial
areas..
So
number
one
was
research
and
development.
I
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
and
then
in
that
gray
box
on
the
right
side..
Those
are
people
kind
of
around
fifty
percent
between
thirty,,
nine
and
fifty
percent
of
people
said
that
those
were
appropriate.,
so
those
are
a
little
bit
lower
than
the
others.
um,
that
school
realtor
office,
hair
salon,
kind
of
more
personal
service
type
uses
in
that
category..
So
this
is
kind
of
an
interesting
way
just
to
get
at
what
people
perceive
as
being
appropriate
and
industrial
area.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
it
could
have
been,,
they
could
have
chosen
all
twenty-five,
so
one
vote.,
so
it's
one
vote
per
person
on
each
one.
So
that
means
for
research
and
development.-
we
have
eighty-three
people,
take
the
the
questionnaire.
sixty-seven
of
them
said
that
research
and
development
was
appropriate.
If
that
makes
sense,.
I
H
H
lisa,
houde,
cob:
yeah,.
It's
not
necessarily
that
those
are
the
ones
they
think
are
most
appropriate..
It's
that
the
most
people
said
that
that
was
appropriate..
So
that's
why
I
thought
it
was
interesting
to
look
at
the
percentage,,
because
that
was
over..
Three
over.
four
of
people
thought
that
this
business
was
appropriate
in
some
level
in
the
industrial
areas.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um.,
so
we
also
had
an
open.
that
was
kind
of
the
end
of
the
multi
multiple
choice.,
but
we
had
an
open-ended
section,
which
we
got
a
lot
of
great
feedback
in
there
kind
of
a
wide
range
of
topics,,
but
definitely
a
focus
on
the
residential
um,,
either
for
or
against
presidential
and
industrial..
So
that's
definitely
the
topic,,
most
probably
on
people's
minds.
they're,
also
just
some
general
comments.
in
support
of
mixed
abuses
in
industrial
areas..
It's
sort
of.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
related
to
some
related
to
lisa
houde,
cob:,
building
high
offices,
redevelopment
from
some
of
the
industrial
businesses..
Some
concern
about
redevelopment,,
maybe
pushing
out
those
industrial
businesses..
So
a
lot
of
great
comments.
There.
I'm
sorry.
I
don't
have
those
for
you
tonight,,
but
I
will
have
those
very
soon.
once
we
actually
close
the
survey
officially,
or
the
questionnaire
officially,
and
then
post
those
results.
so
just
wanted
to
give
you
an
idea
of
what
we
were
hearing
from
that.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
all
right.
start
a
conversation.
um!.
I
also
wanted
to
let
you
know
just
some
of
the
feedback
we've
been
getting
from.
City.
Council.-
um!.
We
did
take
this
item
almost
an
identical
presentation
to
city
council
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
for
a
study
session.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
to
get
some
guidance
from
them.
um!.
We
had
also
taken
this
back
in
two
thousand
and
twenty,,
so
I
kind
of
mix
those
together.
um!.
But
what
we've
heard
from
council
is
a
support
for
additional
uses,,
like
residential
retail
and
restaurants,
in
light
industrial
areas,,
and
that's
really
to
foster
those
mixed
use.
Neighborhoods,.
I
I
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
and
the
comp
plan
guidance..
They
also
said
it
wasn't
appropriate..
I
didn't
think
it
was
appropriate
that
all
industrial
areas
are
sites
kind
of
the
theme
of
the
conversation
with
guardrails.
they'd
like
to
see
guard
rails
to
protect
the
industrial
uses,
and
then,,
especially
in
the
is
zones,,
which
was
the
industrial
service.
Zones.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
and
so
that
was
related
to
residential..
The
question
related
to
offices
council
was
in
support
of
combining
our
professional
office
and
technical
office
terms.
I'll
get
into
that
a
little
bit
later
when
we
get
to
that
question.
um!.
But
similarly
with
guard
rails.
um,,
they
said.
that
restriction
on
office.
we're
still
needed
to
avoid
displacing
industrial
uses
and
accelerating.
J
You.
you
pb,
sarah
silver:,
you
skipped
over
the
business
feedback
that
you
got
on
the
be
heard.
boulder..
You
gave
us
the
sort
of
generalities,
but
of
everyone's
response.,
but
you
specifically
mentioned
that
you
reached
out
to
something
like
eighty
businesses,
and
I'm
curious
specifically..
What
were
there?,
what
would
their
concerns,
or.
I
Lisa
houde,,
cob:,
yeah,
so
and
and
that
open
comments
section,
I
there
wasn't
a
question
that
specifically
assigned
each
response
to
a
business
owner,.
So
I
could
mostly
just
tell
by
like
when
we
promoted,
it,
and
then
bought
responses,
and
whether
they
were
talking
about
businesses.
um!,
but
the
the
responses
that
related
to
industrial
businesses,.
A
few
of
them
were
concerned
that
they
would
lose
their
space
or
that
they
would.
we're
getting.
we're
having
to
find
other
space
in
other
communities,
because
they
couldn't
find
anywhere
that
had.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
all
right.,
so
I
think
that's
all
the
engagement
summary
that
I
wanted
to
give
to
you.
and
now
we
can
dig
into
each
one
of
these
questions.
I
was
thinking
that
we
would
pause
after
each
question
and
have
that
discussion.
if
you're
amenable
to
that
chair.
A
G
G
I
I
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
eighty-three
responses
is
more
than
we've
gotten
for
any
response
on
youth,
table.,
so
um,,
I
I
absolutely
agree..
I
think
I
think
you're
doing
a
bang
up
job
of
trying
to
reach
out
to
people
and
get
get
people
who
care
about
this
to
comment,,
and
I'm
surprised
anybody
comments
on
the
use
tables
frankly.
but
um,.
G
G
I
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:,
so
I
want
to
follow
up
on
what
laura
was
saying.
um,.
J
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
it!:
what's
I
going
to
say?.
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:,
but
we
will
move
forward
and
just
do
what
we're
going
to
do.
um.
and
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
that..
Because-
and
this
is
why
my
initial
question
was,-
how
much
industrial
land
have
we
already
lost
in
the
last
twenty,
five,
thirty
years?,
because
it's
been
a
lot.,
it's
a
lot.,
I
mean
all
of
transit
village
used
to
be
industrial.
J
J
J
J
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
yeah,,
I
think
that's
a
valid
point,
and
we
we
haven't
finalized
the
plans
for
module
three.
and
actually
I
met
with
our
engagement
staff
today
to
talk
about
that.,
so,
um!,
we're
still
working
towards
that,,
and
we
know
that
that's
going
to
be
kind
of
the
biggest
list
in
terms
of
public
engagement.,
the
impacts
to
neighborhoods.
and
yeah,,
we'll
we'll
take
a
look
at
the
consult
framework,
and
what
we
can
do
to
supplement
that
we
did
to
do
two
years
of
engagement.
um!
before
we
pause..
So
I
do.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
that
engagement
work
wasn't
lost,
it
wasn't
a
lost,,
but
I
was
part
of
that,
and
it
was
the
it
was
the
to
laura's
point.
It
was
like
the
same
twelve
people,
I
mean.
I
I
could
name
them
all,,
which
is
great
to
have
twelve
people
who
care
that
much..
But
you
know,
per
our
conversation
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
for
email,
exchange.,.
J
J
A
A
A
A
A
I
K
Cob,
karl
guiler:,
if
I
could
just
add,
to
that.
um,,
I
think
we
have
had
some
conversations
with
our
community
vitality,
staff,
and
I
believe
that
they
have
also
reached
out
to
folks
or
firms
that
have
left
the
city
to
understand
the
reasons
why
they
left,.
So
we
could
also
follow
up
with
them.
um!,
and
I
also
just
wanted
to
add
that
you
know,.
K
Cob,
karl
guiler:,
as
we've
gone
through
this
project.,
you
know,,
we've
been
kind
of
at
a
at
a
higher
level,
getting,
input,
and
as
we
get
closer
to
the
more
technical
details
it.,
it
helps
to
know
exactly
what
changes
will
be
working
on,,
because
then
that
speaks
to
who
we
need
to
to
reach
out
to.
and
that's
what
we're
going
to
have
to
do
after
we
get
feedback
from
the
board
tonight.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
um.
one
other
thing..
As
long
as
we're
talking
about
interesting
questions
that
we
might
want
to
research,,
I
think
it
would
be
really
interesting
to
ask
people
what
services
do
you
need,
or
have
you
needed,
while
you've
lived
in
boulder
that
you
could
not
find
it
older
like,?
What
do
people
have
to
go
out
of
town
for?.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
okay.,
so
the
first
question
to
tackle
is
related
to
residential
development.-
I
just
wanted
to
provide
some
kind
of
policy
background
history
of
uh,
where
we
are
now.,
so
it
kind
of
dates
back
to
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
ninety-seven.
We,
the
city,
underwent
a
comprehensive
rezoning
study
to
really
address
the
jobs
and
housing
balance,,
and
at
that
time
there
was
no
residential,
allowed,
and
industrial..
It
was
really
focused
on
protecting
the
industrial
districts
from
residential
uses,.
I
I
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
they,
this
user
view,
is
only
applicable
to
certain
sites,,
so
not
every
site
in
ig,
and
I
am
are
eligible
for
residential
development..
So
you
can
see
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
your
screen
and
map
that
shows
which
parcels
in
the
ig.-
and
I
am
zoning.
districts
are
eligible
for
residential
use..
You,,
like
blue,,
are
eligible
for
residential
use.
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
the
standards
that
were
adopted
in
two
thousand
and
four
say
that
for
a
site
to
be
eligible,
it
has
to
be
contiguous
to
either
a
residential
user
zoning
district
or
parks,
or
or
a
partner
open
space..
It
also
has
to
have
a
minimum
watt
size
of
two
acres.,
and
so
that's
where
we
get
this
map
creating
the
eligibility..
So
not
all
sites
are
eligible
for
residential
development.-.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
um,
also,
the
standards
say
that
site
review
is
required
if
it's
a
mixed-use
project,.
So
a
purely
residential
project
might
not
need
site
for
me,,
depending
on
what
size
it
is.,
but
as
soon
as
there
are
non-residential
uses,
it,
needs,.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
interestingly,
in
the
last
eighteen
years,
since
those
standards
were
adopted,,
only
four
projects
have
been
approved
or
built..
So
there's
one
project,
that's
been
built
in
gun,
barrel,
one
project,
that's
been
approved.,
there's
one
project,
that's
been
built
in
east
folder,
and
one
project
that's
been
approved.
So
only
four
projects
over
the
last
eighteen
years
have
used
these
standards,
and
the
standards
haven't
been
updated.
Since
two
thousand
and
four.
I
J
J
D
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
well,,
maybe
I
can
help
clarify
sarah,
and
I
appreciate
that
so
the
transit
village
was
very
intentionally
rezoned
to
comprehensively
um,
in
accordance
with
the
adopted
tbat
area
plan..
So
there
was
a
functional
rezoning
to
help
support
that
intensity
of
redevelopment
and
the
mix
of
uses
there.
D
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
that
allows
residential
development
to
be
built
in
industrial
zones
without
a
reselling..
So
we've
seen
a
very
small
fraction
of
the
development
community
take
advantage
of
the
standards
that
were
drafted
in
two
thousand
and
four,,
and
I
think
that
there's
probably
a
myriad
reason,
and
I
think
we're
going
to
get
to
those.,
but
I
think
that's
just
a
little
bit
more
specific,
and
what
it
is
that
she
was
referring.
To.,
it's
a
specific
code
section
that
allows
you
to
develop
residential
and
property
that
some
industrial.
J
J
J
J
G
I
It's
a
lisa,
houde,
cob:
great
question,
also
asked
by
our
city
council
members.
When
we
presented
this
very
similar
presentation.
um!,
we
tried
to
dig
into
this,
and
I
don't
have
a
definite
answer..
I
mean,.
I
I
think
that
something
has.
it
has
to
do
with
that..
Only
a
percentage
of
sites
actually
are
eligible.
obviously,
um.,
so
only
certain
sites
have
been
eligible
to
take
advantage
of
that.,
but
I
think
that
there
are
larger
things
that
play
probably,
than
just
zoning.,
so
market
forces
things
like
that.
um,.
That
might
be.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
it
to
why,
only
for
properties
have
taken
advantage
of
this
opportunity.
um!.
There
was
concern
in
two
thousand
and
four
about
this,
you
know,
similar
to
concerns
now
about
residential
development
kind
of
overtaking
industrial
land..
So
that's
why
it
is
a
fairly
strict
eligible
eligibility.
I
E
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
pb
mark
mcintyre:
representation.
That
is
more
than.
E
E
E
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
but
what?
what
is,?
What
is
the
lesson,
or
the
takeaway
that
you
like
us,
to?
hear
from
your
concerns.
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
part
of
the
fabric
of
boulder
bowler's,
not
just
intent..
I
don't
think
anybody
wants
boulder
to
just
be
a
bedroom,
community.
um!
and
everyone
has
to
commute
out
to
go
somewhere
to
go
to
work..
So
my
I
don't
have
an
outcome
that
I
want
to
see..
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
fully.
J
A
I
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
that's
interesting
direction
from
the
cop
plan
related
to
housing
in
industrial
areas..
It
also
says
that
housing
in
bill
should
be
encouraged
in
appropriate
places
near
other
residential
uses
or
retail
services.,
so
um!.
I
thought
this
was
interesting
and
validated
a
lot
of
what
the
public
engagement
responses
were
in
my
questionnaire
about
where
housing
locations
would
be
appropriate..
So
with
that
framing
um,,
it
leads
us
to
our
first
question
for
you:
tonight.
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
related
to
those
residential
development
and
industrial
district
standards
um,
in
order
to
implement
that
adopted
conference
plan
policy
to
encourage
housing
into
inappropriate
places..
What's
the
best
way
to
do
that?,
this
is
a
really
challenging
question..
A
lot
of
cities
grapple
with
this
um..
But
if
we
were
to
change
the
residential
standards
in
industrial
districts,,
it
could
include
removing
that
continuity
requirement,,
because
it's
not
really
resulting
in
housing
in
a
logical
pattern.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um,
and
then
some
ideas
for
what?.
What
we
could
use
as
an
assessment
for
whether
sites
are
appropriate
for
housing
would
be
guidance
from
subcommittee
plans
each
one
of
those
areas
where
we
have
industrial
districts.
we're
lucky
enough
to
have
a
sub-community
plan
to
look
to,
or
very
soon
for
ease
folder.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
limiting
residential
development
only
to
the
ig
zoning
district..
So
right
now
it's
allowed
in..
I
am
the
industrial
manufacturing
with
the
use
for
view,
same
as
ig.,
but
the
comp
plan
guidance
seems
to
lean
towards
just
ig.
being
appropriate
for
residential,
or
there's
other
approaches
where
we
could
have
standards
related
to
proximity,,
to
transit
or
proximity
to
parks
or
retail
or
things
like
that.
so,
um!.
That's
really
the
question
we
want
to
frame
for
you,
tonight.
um!,.
A
A
G
G
G
G
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
and
how
to
include
housing
in
a
way
that
did
not
detract
from
or
discourage
industrial.
for
example,
having
industrial
on
the
first
floor
and
residential
above
doesn't
it.,
it's
not
an
either
or
necessarily
it's
not
that
we
have
to
lose
all
of
our
industrial..
We
can
have
mixed.
use
industrial.
G
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
proximity,,
some
kind
of
proximity,
requirement
for
continuity,
and
maybe
having
some
of
those
different
types
of
things
that
you
might
have
proximity
to,
that
that
make
sense
for
walkable
neighborhoods,,
which
I
think
we're
talking
about
in
a
future
section..
But
that
makes
sense
here
as
well..
I
think
that
kind
of
planning
insight
is
important.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
so
you
know
we
do
need
housing.,
we
do
need
industrial.,
I
don't
think
it's
either
or
I
think
they
can
live
harmoniously.
Together,
and
I
think
our
sub-community
plans
have
worked
really
hard
to
make
that
possible..
I
will
point
out
that
we
approved
the
east
boulder
subcommittee
plan
and.
G
G
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
that
serves
a
it,
serves
a
a
slice
of
the
community.,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
people..
It
does
not
serve
a
lot
of
folks
who
in
commute,
who
have
families
and
want
to
live
in
a
house
or
a
small
town,
home
or
something..
So
I
want
to
make
sure
it
is
really
important
to
me
that
that
missing
middle
housing
be.
H
Pb
ml
robles:
create
pb
ml
robles:,
maximum
percentages
or.
H
Pb
ml
robles:,
perhaps
primarily
an
industrial
zone,,
but
housing
will
happen
in
it
where
the
contextual
relationships,,
whether
adjacency
adjacent
seeds
and
that
sort
of
thing
makes
sense
to
put
housing
in,.
H
H
Pb
ml
robles:
is
preserved.,
there's
not
much
is
to
death
in
the
city,,
and
I
think
it
is
intended
to
provide
those
valuable
services
that
we're
seeing,
leaving
town
because
they
can't
afford
to
find
the
spaces..
So.
H
H
H
H
H
Pb
ml
robles:,
purchasing
of
housing
in
colorado.
H
H
Pb
ml
robles:,
a
homeowner
crisis.,
pb
ml
robles:.
Sarah
is
talking
about
um,,
the
missing
middle,,
you
know..
Where
do
the
working
population
that
wants
to
live
and
work
in
boulder,
find
housing
that
is,
not
just
available,,
but
that
they're
not
competing
with
an
investor.
H
H
Pb
ml
robles:,
so
I
don't
know
where
that
land
in
the
huge
table.
it
might
not.,
but
I
think
that
let's
be
very
conscious
of.,
we
open
up
more
land
for
residential
development.-.
H
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
my
comments.,
thank
you
for
those.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
one
thing,,
so
the
residential
development
and
industrial
standards
are
tied
to
it
being
a
use
review,.
So
it
wouldn't
be
that
residential
would
be
a
use
by
right..
It
would
still
be
a
use
review..
It's
just
whether
those
standards
should
be
updated,
that
the
residential
development
is
evaluated.
Through.
um.,
so
I
just
want
to
clarify
that.
H
I
H
H
L
L
L
L
L
Pb,
lisa
smith:
not
having
our
arms
around.,
how
much
industrial
we
have
lost
in
the
kind
of
industrial
that
we're
losing.
we're
getting
a
lot
of
very
expensive
industrial
coming
in
a
lot
of
health,
sciences,
and
so
on,,
which
are
great..
I'm
not
opposed
to
them.,
but
we're
losing
a
lot
of
the
other
use,.
And
so.
L
L
L
E
E
E
E
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
in
either
for
the
current
standards
in
either
ig.
or
I
am
any
type
of
residential
use-
needs
to
go
through
a
use
review,.
If
it's
a
bug
to
acres,-
or
I
might
be
remembering
wrong,
if
it's
of
a
certain
size.,
it
also
needs
to
go
to
site,,
review,
or
if
it
has
non-residential,
uses
integrated
into
that
residential
and
then
separately,.
We
also
have
site,
review
thresholds,,
which
are,.
K
Cob,
karl
guiler:
yeah,,
if
it's
over
five
acres.,
it
does
also
trigger
a
site
review
along
with
the
user
view,,
and
then
it
also
depends
on
how
much,,
how
many
units
or
how
much
floor
area
they're
adding,,
could
trigger
a
site
review
as
well,
or,
if
they're,
at
it.
Asking
for
setback,
modifications
that
would.
E
E
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
we
did
for
my
garden
thing,,
whatever
it
might
be,
welding
shops,
the
woodworking
shops,
people
doing
cabinetry,
whatever,
and
and
that
there
is
value
in
those
industries
being
located.
E
E
E
E
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
the
use
of
the
use
table
should
try
to
encourage
as
being
in
alignment
with
the
roller
rally
comprehensive
plan,.
So
I
don't
have
specific
suggestions
on
how
to
do
that.,
but
certainly
I
think
that.
E
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
deference
should
be
given
to
smaller
industrial
users,,
smaller
industrial
building
owners
that
may
want
to
add
residential
as
a
way
of.
A
A
A
A
A
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:
and
I
I
participated
in
the
east,
boulder
subcommunity
plan.,
so
I
I
heard
plenty
of
this.
there,
too..
There
was
a
lot
of
talk
about
using
mixed
use
as
a
solution
to
the
problem
of
of
of
having
both
industrial
and
residential
in
the
same
area..
But
I
have
to
say
that
I
am
aware
of
very
few,.
If
any,
successful.
A
A
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:
code-related
matter,.
A
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
clarification,
thing,,
you
know..
I
agree
with
sarah,
that
if,
if
we're
saying
that
subcommunity
plans
are
going
to
be
the
the
guiding
light
or
the
north
star,,
then
we
need
to
be
committed
to
having
them.
lisa,.
Did
I
hear
you
say
that
we
already
have
sub-community
or
area
plans
for
the
areas
of
boulder
that
have
industrial
areas
being
gun,
barrel,
north
boulder
and
east
boulder.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
correct?,
the
north,
boulder
and
gun
barrel
are
a
little
bit
older.,
so
community
plans.,
but
they
are
some
of
the
only
areas
that
we
do
have
subcommittee
plans.
For.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
okay,
thank
you..
So
so
I
go
back
to
my
comment
that
I
think
the
subcommittee
plans.
you
know..
I
think,
that
that
answers
some
of
ml's
concerns
about
saturation
limits,,
because
I
know
at
least
with
the
east
boulder
subcommittee
plan..
There
was
a
very
deliberate
effort
to
say
some
areas.
There
will
be.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
delineated
areas
of
change.,
it
won't
be
everywhere,
and
the
areas
of
change
will
be
the
places
where
housing
is
most
appropriate,,
based
on
a
whole
bunch
of
criteria.,
not
not
just,.
You
know,
an
arbitrary
or
subjective
standard.,
but
looking
at
things
like
proximity
to
transit,
proximity
to
retail,
and
and
having
walkable,
neighborhoods
and
services
for
the
buildings
that
are
there..
So
I
I
do
think
that
the
subcommittee
plans.,
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
public
input
that
goes
into
them,.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
and
there's
a
lot
of
staff
thought
that
goes
into
them..
There's
a
lot
of
outreach
to
the
neighboring
businesses,.
So
I
think
those
are
our
best
chance
to
really
get
the
people
who
care
about
that
neighborhood..
You
know
it's
it's
very
hard
for
people
to
think
about
things
on
a
city-wide
level.,
but
if
it's
your
subcommunity,,
then
there's
a
better
chance
that
you'll
get
involvement
from
the
right
people..
So
I
I
really
do
think
that
that
is
probably
the.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
the
best
way
um,
and
you
know,
linked
up
with
some
criteria
that
may
be
used
to
develop
those
subcommittee
plans..
As
far
as
the
city
council's
comments.,
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
supported
if
I
read
the
city
council's
comments,
and
I
didn't
see
anything
I
disagree
with..
So
I
want
to
put
a
marker
in
that
I
I
support
the
city
council's
comments.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
um,,
I
forgot
to
mention
minimum
wage
in
my
earlier
comments..
I
do
support
doing
away
with
the
minimum
lot
size
requirement,,
but
you
know,
replaced
by
these
other
things,
having
to
do
with
the
sub-community,
plans
and
things
like
proximity
to
transit
and
and
to
parks
and
retail,,
and
that
kind
of
thing.
G
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
as
opposed
to
duplexes,
triplexes,
townhouses,,
the
kinds
of
things
that
you
want
for
missing:
middle.
if
you're
going
to
put
missing
middle
and
industrial
area,,
you're,
almost
certainly
going
to
have
to
demolish
and
do
away
with
the
industrial
use
rather
than
having
a
mixed
use.
um!.
So
I
I
think
missing
middle
is
something
we
absolutely
should
be
talking
about
in
the
next
phase..
When
we
talk
about
neighborhoods
and
neighborhood
centers,
things
like
that,,
I
think
there
was
some
opportunity
to
do
missing
middle
in
east
boulder,
and
that
primarily
took
the
form.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
of
work,
work,
live
units
where
it
might
be
like
a
a
craft
shop
in
the
front,
and
a
house
in
the
back
or
over
it,.
So
I
think
there's
some
opportunity,,
but
I
don't
think
it's
our
best
opportunity
for
missing
middle..
I
agree
with
ml.
that
we
should
be
protecting
the
is
zones,,
but
that
that
should
be
one
of
the
things
that
is
not
fair
game
to
to
have
housing
in
the
industrial
service.
J
J
J
J
J
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
might
not
be
the
best
use
of
industrial
zoning
zone.
land,,
but
it
is
what
it
is..
I
don't
know
that
the
city
would
want
to
reconsider.
J
J
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
you
know,
in
our
last
iteration
of
planning
board.
Before
we
had
three
new
members.
There
was
a
lot
of
commitment
on
missing
metal,
a
lot
of
discussion..
We
were
all
trying
to
pull
in
the
same
direction,
and
I
really
hope
we
can
bring
that
conversation
back
to
this
newly
constituted
planning
board,,
because
it
really
does.
J
H
H
H
H
H
H
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
no
um,,
that's
a
great
point..
I
mean,.
That's,
certainly
something
that
we
can
do..
We
can
make
it
in
a
loud
use,
and
simply
have.
if
you
remember,,
when
we
talked
about
the
technical
updates,
have
the
brackets,
and
they
used
toable,
which
just
needs
their
standards
associated
with
that..
So
you
could
make
residential
and
allow
use.
user
view
is
intended
to
be
kind
of
a
case
by
case
analysis
of
whether
a
use
is
appropriate
in
a
certain
location
based
on
its
impacts
and
things
like
that.,
so
uh,.
I
H
H
I
A
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
that
gets
partially
taken
care
of
with
the
rezoning
associated
with
the
subcommittee
plan..
So
when
you
rezon
to
a
mixed
use
industrial,,
then
I
don't
think
that
that
has
to
go
through
a
used
review
or
a
site
review,,
necessarily
that
just
becomes
an
allowable
use
in
a
mixed,
use,
industrial..
So
if
you
rezone
it,,
you
don't
have
to
do
the
use
review.,
but
I
thought
it.
G
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
some
policy
background.
again,.
This
one
gets
a
little
tony
wonky,,
so
they're
with
me.,
but
uh,
right
now,
in
the
use
table.
We
have
two
different
types
of
offices.,
so
we
have
both
a
professional
office
which
is,
like
the
lawyer's
office,
accounting
office,
real
estate,
office,
that
type
of
office..
We
also
have
a
technical
office
which
is
more
like
an
engineering,
firm
or
software.
Development.-
that
kind
of
thing
we
did
attempt
to
try
to
clean
up
that
definition
to
make
it
a
little
plasmid
in
model
one.
I
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
great
conference
and
rezoning
study
back
in
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
ninety-seven.,
so
this
verification
is
actually
very
uncommon.
Among
other
cities
in
the
country,
there's
only
a
few
that
do
anything,
even
close
to
similar.,
I'm
splitting
these
two,.
But
it
comes
from
that
time.
In
one
thousand,
nine
hundred
and
ninety-seven.
the
intent
was
to
limit
speculative
office
buildings
in
industrial
districts.
Support
startups,
preserve
the
industrial
areas
for
industrial
uses,,
but
also
recognizing
that
there's
a
need
for.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
for
offices
that
are
more
technical
or
industrial
in
nature.,
and
so
that's
where
this
kind
of
split
between
two
different
kinds
of
offices
came
from..
So
now
how
it's
been
since
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
ninety
seven
is
those
professional
offices.
things
like
lawyers.
Offices,
are
completely
prohibited
in
industrial
districts,,
but
the
technical
offices
are
allowed
with
almost
no
limitations..
They
do
have
a
size
limit
in
the
is
district,,
but
no
one
is
anywhere
else.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um,
lisa,
houde,
cob:.
It's
been
a
challenging
tool
to
use
to
implement
this
policy
over
the
last
twenty-five
years..
Um..
If
you
think
of
how
office
life
has
evolved
in
the
last
twenty-five
years,
offices
have
changed
a
lot,
and
what
the
definitions
kind
of
hinged
on,.
It
can
be
a
very
fuzzy
line
between
what
is
a
professional
office
and
a
technical
office..
So
a
good
example
that
I
like
to
use
is
like
a
patent
lawyer.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
technically
as
a
lawyer's
office,,
so
that
would
be
a
professional
office.,
but
he
is
involved
with
the
production
of
maybe
like
industrial
prototypes,
or
something
like
that..
So
there's
that
fuzzy
line
between
what
the
uses
um!,
what
the
difference
between
these
two
different
office
uses,.
What
the
difference
of
impact
is
to
that
actual
structure
to
that
site,
and
it's
often
a
difficult
thing
for
business
owners
to
understand
whether
they
are
going
to
be
actually
allowed
in
this
space
that
they
are
trying
to
be.
I
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
we
wanted
to
bring
this
up
during
module
two,
because
it
was
something
that
was
done
very
intentionally
for
the
industrial
districts..
I
would
say
it's
more
of
a
technical
fix
to
try
to
make
it
more
understandable
for
people
to
use
the
code
um,
and
to
understand
where
these
different
uses
are
allowed.,
but
obviously
there's
all
of
the
implications
as
well.
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
and
then
beyond
that.
um,.
If
these
two
types
are
consolidated
right,
now,,
like
I
said,
professional
office,
is
completely
prohibited
in
industrial
districts,.
Technical
offices
are
allowed..
So
when
we
go
with
saying
that
offices
are
allowed,
or
when
we
go
saying
they're
prohibited?
or
is
there
kind
of
a
middle
ground,
where
maybe
they're
allowed
in
some
circumstances,
or
with
some
limitations,
or
guardrails?
For
that
so
curious,
very
interested
to
hear
your
thoughts
on
this
and
have.
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
pb,,
sarah
silver:,
the
impulse
from
the
market
to
build
the
the
kinds
of
buildings
with
the
best.
ah,
roi
might
undermine
our
efforts
to
protect
our
industrial
space.
If
we
allow
professional
offices
in
industrial.
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
G
G
G
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
oh,
yeah,.
If,
if
nobody
visits
and
you're
just
focused
on
supporting
a
service.,
you
know
we're
creating
a
product.
you're,
a
technical
office,,
but
I
just
think
life
is
messy,
and
I
think
ah,.
You
know
who
knows
what
the
businesses
of
the
future
are
going
to
look
like..
So
I
I
do
think
that
this
is
a
distinction
that.
G
G
Pb,
laura
kaplan:,
and
I
wish
I
had
paid
more
attention
during
the
east,
boulder
sub
community
plan
process
to
understand
exactly
what
criteria
were
used
during
that
process,.
But
I
do
think
that
it.
It
gave
a
good
model
for
how
to
have
office
space,,
but
only
in
in
certain
places.
Like,.
I
think,
for
example,.
Most
of
the
place
types
do
not
allow
office
space
on
the
first
floor.
first
floor
has
to
be
industrial,,
and
then
you
can
have
in
some
zones
office,
space
above
it's,
and
then
residential,
and
in
some
places
it.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
the
criteria
that
were
used
to
develop
those
place
types,
I
think,,
would
provide
some
good
insight
into
when
is
office
space
appropriate?
and
how
do
you
keep
it
from
taking
over
the
whole,
the
whole
zone,
and
and
some
of
that
again.?
I
think
it's
worked
out
through
sub-community.
planning..
I
think
sarah
makes
a
great
point
that
the
north
boulder,,
so
community
plan
and
gun
barrel
subcommittee
plans
should
be
updated.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:.
I
know
that
that's
a
little
difficult
right
now,,
because
we
have,,
I
think,
eight
subcommittees
in
boulder
that
have
never
had
a
sub-community
plan
and
they're,
probably
in
the
planning
queue
before
revisiting
anybody.
and
then
hopefully,
we'll
get
on
a
good
cycle
where
each
subcommittee
plan
is
updated,
like
every
twenty
years.,
something
like
that.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan::
how
do
we
have
office
space
in
these
particular
areas
that
include
industrial
zones
using
the
model
of
the
east
boulder
subcommittee,
plan,,
which
I
think
can
help
speed
up
that
process,
as
you
know.?
Maybe
we
don't
have
to
do
a
whole
sub-community
plan
revisit
that?
Maybe
we
just
revisit
this
question
of.
Where
is
office
space?
Where
is
residential,
appropriate
in
those
zones??
Given
the
code
changes
and
given
the
potential
reliance
on
sub-community
plans
as
a
a.
H
Pb
ml
robles:,
pb
ml
robles:
office.
H
H
Pb
ml
robles:
and
clearly
subordinate
to
industrial.,
but
I
do
think
that
um,,
you
know,
that's
not
overcomplicated
with
more
than
one
kind
of
office,
and
let's
just
give
it
enough.
definition
that
is
again
reliant
and
pointing
to
the
use
itself.
L
L
L
A
A
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
karl,
can
get
more
lisa
houde,
cob:
similar
to
this?,
but
I
think
that
um,,
it's
really
difficult
to
administer..
So
it's
case
by
case.
when
a
business
license
comes
in,
they
give
a
written
description
of
what
their
uses,
and
it's
kind
of
a
judgment,
call
of
how
you
have
to.
and
the
issue
is
that
people
know
the
difference
between
professional
and
technical
office,.
So
they'll
try
to
play
up
the
lack
of
client
contact
in
order
to
be
called
a
technical
office,,
because
that
really
is
the
only.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
dividing
line.,
it's
not
something
we
can
necessarily
enforce,,
because
without
going
out
and
watching
every
office,
and
seeing
how
many
clients
are
coming
and
going.
um!.
So
it's
case
by
case
with
that,
each
business
license
that
comes
through,
and
that's
why
it's
a
a
challenging
tool
to
use
to
administer
this
policy.,
but
I
see
I
I
know
charles
and
carl.
I
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):
yeah,
no.,
I
think
that's
really
well,,
said
lisa.
and
I,.
I
won't.
take
up
any
more
time.
um,.
I
guess
I
would
add,
when
we
find
out
that
there's
a
business
that's
operating
outside
of
the
confines
of
the
license
that
we
issued,
we
try
to
work
with
them.
To
course
correct
that
rather
than
um,.
D
Cob,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
you
know,
being
too
heavy-handed,,
and
sometimes
that
works
better
than
others.,
but
I
think
that
it's
exactly
why,.
It
would
be
helpful
for
us
to
be
able
to
clarify
this
in
our
regulations
at
the
staff
level..
We
spend
a
lot
of
time
working
directly
with
the
applicants.
D
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:,
my
it.
pb,
john
gerstle:.
My
response
to
this
question
is
that
I
certainly
understand
why
this
distinction
was
made.
in
the
first
place,
because,
speaking
as
as
someone
who
could
be
classified
either
as
a
technical
type
or
a
professional
type.
In
my
engineering,
consulting
business,.
A
A
A
A
E
E
E
E
E
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
it
is
a
physical
pb
mark,
mcintyre:
distinction,,
as
laura
pointed
out.
okay,
great.
have
the
law
firm
on
the
second
floor,
maintain
the
industrial
on
the
first
floor.
have
have
the
sales
office,,
whatever
it
might,
be.
second,.
Third
floor.
have
the
residence
up
there,,
but
we
specify
in
specific
zones
that
industrial
uses
are
the
dominant
use
on
the
first
floor,
and
as
we
build
up.
E
E
E
E
A
lisa
houde,
cob:
yeah,.
I
actually
have
a
follow
up
if
it's
okay
to
just
kind
of
dig
in
a
little
bit
more
on
this
question.
sorry.,
just
because
it's
been
percolating
in
my
mind
for
many
weeks
now
is
there?,
so
I
understand,
just
like
whether
there's
a
physical
distinction
or
a
definition
distinction..
But
I'm
curious.
If
there's
our
thoughts
about
the
four
different
industrial
districts
that
we
have
there..
I've
heard
several
comments.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
about
protecting
the
is
zones
for
those
service,
industries.
uh,.
We
also
have
the
im,,
which
is
more
specific
for
manufacturing..
Would
there
be
an
appetite
that
similar
to
kind
of
what
we
were
saying
about
ig.
for
residential??
If
I
g.
to
be
more
open
for
any
type
of
office.,
but
maybe
there
was
more
restriction
in
is
or
I
am.
is
that
something
that
people
would
be
amenable
to,
and
then
maybe
in
the
it
um!
there
would
be
either
a
definition,
distinction,.
I
H
Pb
ml
robles:,
I
can
see
I'm
an
architecture
firm,
and
if
I'm
just
doing
architecture
for
clients,
no,,
I
wouldn't
be
in
an
industrial
zone,,
but
I'm
also
an
inventor,
and
I
have
a
building
system,.
And
if
I'm
building
my
building
on
site,
yeah,,
I'm
going
to
have
an
architecture
studio
there
to
support
that.
H
H
I
E
E
E
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
um!
to
answer
lisa's
question..
I
think
it's
potentially
useful
to
think
of
the
different
ah!
industrial
zones
as
having
different
characteristics,,
and
I
guess
I
would
just
encourage
lisa
to
look
at
the
place
types
in
the
east,
boulder.,
so
community
plan
and
see,
if
there's
anything
in
there,
that
can
offer
useful
guidance
like
I'm.,
looking
particularly
at
the
and
looking
at
right
now,
the
hands
on
industrial
place,
type
and
the
innovation
tod,
residential.
G
G
I
Sure.
lisa
houde,
cob:
um.,
so
we
will
move
into
the
neighborhood
module.
I'll,
stop
thinking
about
industrial
for
a
second..
But
I
did
just
wanna
highlight
a
couple
of
other
changes
that
I've
been
raised
through
public
input
or
the
planning
work.
subcommittee.
um,,
just
to
kind
of
get
these
on
your
radar.
see
if
there's
any
initial
red
flags,,
but
things
that
we're
thinking
really
to
target
that
policy
about
mix
of
uses
offering
a
mix
of
uses
in
industrial
areas.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
one
of
those
is
thinking
about
live
work,
units
and
making
those
more
allowable
in
more
districts,
and
also
refining
the
definition,,
because
the
definition
right
now
is
limited
to
that
work.
Function
has
to
be
only
an
industrial
use,,
so
maybe
expanding
that
to
commercial
uses
as
well.
To
just
make
these
more
permissible
around
the
city.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um.,
secondly,,
manufacturing
definitions,
are,
it.,
but
more
typically
in
cities,
there's
like
a
light
manufacturing
medium
manufacturing,,
heavy
manufacturing..
We
have
manufacturing
and
manufacturing
with
potential
for
offside
impact.,
so
just
trying
to
think
through
how
we
can
clarify
that
to
better
support
our
small
scale,
manufacturing,
uses.
and
just
better
define
where
those
lines
are..
Another
kind
of.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
that's
hard
to
administer
there.
um..
Schools
has
been
something
that's
been
raised
through
the
public
input
throughout
this
process.
Private
colleges
are
allowed
in
some
of
the
industrial
districts,,
but
private,
elementary,,
middle
and
high
schools
are
not
public,,
elementary,
middle
and
high
schools
are..
So
that's
just
something:
we've
been
getting
public,
input,
related
to..
So
it's
something
we
want
to
address
in
this
module
as
well.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
restaurants
are
actually
allowed
in
industrial
districts,,
but
we
have
standards
that
limit
them
to
not
be
permitted
on
major
streets..
So
we're
thinking
about
to
be
able
to
offer
those
mixed
abuses.
offer
more
of
locations
for
restaurants,,
eliminating
those
standards
that
restrict
the
locations
of
restaurants,.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
and
then
finally,
opening
up
potentially
the
opportunity
for
retail
and
personal
services..
So
personal
services
are
things
like
hair,
salons
and
bakeries.
uh,.
Those
are
currently
both
prohibited
retail
and
personal
services
in
the
industrial
district..
But
to
get
at
that
fifteen
minute
neighborhood,
where
people
are
able
to
access
those
services
for
thinking
about
opening
that
up
to
a
limited
size.,
so
maybe
like
two
thousand
for
the
small
retail
or
personal
services
in
the
industrial
district,.
So.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
just
wanted
to
get
those
on
your
radar,,
because
those
are
some
of
the
other
uses..
I
think
residential
and
office
are
kind
of
the
big
topics.,
but
these
are
also
something
that
we're
thinking
about
with
module.
two.
J
J
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
and
industrial
pb,,
sarah
silver:
um,,
and
then
everything
else
would
follow
from
there
everything,,
including
what
type
of
housing
might
be
built,
and
what
kind
of
retail
would
be
available,
and
what
the
plate
sizes
would
be,
and
all
that
stuff.
J
J
J
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:,
all
right,,
if
not
one.,
pb,
john
gerstle:,
has
any
golden
thoughts
here.
I
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um!,
the
focus
for
module
three
is
really
um..
This
is
where
the
most
robust
public
engagement
is
plan..
This
is
where
we
really
need
to
work
with
the
neighborhoods
to
identify
the
desired
land
uses
any
potential
changes
throughout
the
four
years
of
this
project.
I
We've
always
known
that
this
part
was
going
to
be
the
heaviest
left
in
terms
of
public
engagement,
and
what
we
want
to
reach
out
to
the
community
and
ensure
that
we're
really
identifying
those
desired
land
uses
that
the
bear,,
the
use
of
might
be
a
barrier.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
and
so
we
have
also
the
great
goals
that
were
worked
on
by
the
planning
board
subcommittee
that
are
guiding
us
for
this
work,,
encouraging
fifteen
minute
neighborhoods,
supporting
the
excuse,
nodes
along
corridors
and
supporting
walkable
neighborhood
centers
varying
scales
throughout
the
city..
So
that's
where
we're
going
to
address
where
the
use
table
and
the
standards
might
be
in
conflict
with
the
polar
valley
call
plan
again
incorporating
there
was..
This
has
been
kind
of
the.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um.,
lisa,
houde,
cob:,
the
main
topic,,
probably
of
interest
related
to
the
use
table..
Is
this
me
at
module
three
as
much
as
I
loved
all
the
technical
and
functional
things
from
module
one..
This
one
is
definitely
the
one
that
gains
most
interest
and
will
incorporate
significant
work
from
the
planning
board.
Subcommittee.,
there's
lots
of
recommendations
in
areas
of
focus
that
have
already
been
thought.
Through.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
Those
are
kind
of
the
focuses
that
we've
identified
so
far.
Some
of
the
main
uses
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
include
restaurants..
If
you've
looked
at
our
code,
restaurants
might
be
the
most
complicated
thing,
most
complicated
standards
in
boulder,
for
some
reason..
So
we
trying
to
simplify
those
while
not
losing
what
the
important
policy
backgrounds.,
but
I
created
those..
We
can
clean
those
up
a
bit
in
module
one,,
but
just.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
reassessing
those,
and
seeing
if
there's
any
barriers
related
to
those
standards.
looking
at
offices
again,
as
related
to
these
different
parts
of
the
city,
retail
sales,,
personal
services,,
different
housing
types
to
have
the
missing
middle
conversation
that
we've
been
having
tonight.
again
with
work,
um,
outside
of
the
industrial
zoning
district
and
also
home
occupation..
So
those
are
kind
of
identified
users
from
planning
work,
subcommittee,
and
the
input
that
was
received
in
two
thousand
and
nineteen,.
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
ml:
why,.
Don't
you
go
first?
H
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
I'm
gonna,
work.
no,.
It's
not
so..
It's
actually
a
separate
use,
type
for
occupations
that
people
can
do
from
their
house,,
which
I
guess
I
do
every
day.
but
specific
things,.
I
carl,.
I
don't
know
if
you
know
the
standards
specifically,
or
um..
If
charles
knows,,
like
common
homo,,.
K
Cob,,
karl
guiler:,
it
is
defined
in
our
land
use
code..
It's
mostly
focused
on
someone
who's
running
a
business
from
their
house?
uh,.
There
are
criteria
that
have
to
be
met,,
but
it's
something
that's
generally
over
the
counter..
It
doesn't
require
any
kind
of
special
review.
um,.
I
think
we
do
like
an
affidavit
like
they
just
agree
to
the
criteria..
For
the
most
part,
it's
really
focused
on,.
You
know
there
not
being
any.
K
D
Cob,,
charles
ferro
(he/him):,
yeah,
um,
there's
some
criteria
that
I've
talked
about
parking
impacts,,
but
I
think
it's
really
designed
to
support
people
who
are.
um,
you
know,
at
this
point
kind
of
working
remotely
in
sales,
for
example,
from
their
home,
and
not
servicing,
clients
on
site.
H
I
J
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
pb,,
sarah
silver:
uh,,
I'm
not
necessarily.
J
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
putting
non-residential
uses
into
a
residential
neighborhood.
It
has
appeal
for
some
people,
and
it
is
not
appealing
for
other
people.
and
um!.
I
just
think
we
need
to
really
think
that
needs
to
be
really
through
before
this.
the
city
like
barrels
forward
with
that.
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
and
then,
in
terms
of
the
string
of
pearls
like,.
I
don't
quite
get
what
that
is,
and
I
think
that
one,
the
area
that
there
was
the
most
agreement
on
was
the
neighborhood
centers,,
which
was
tended
to
be
thought
of
as
the
b.
c.
one,.
So
b,
c,
one
and
two
zones,,
which
are
those
vast.
J
J
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:,
my
my
question.,
but
I
have
another
comment
in
that
question..
So
in
that,
when
you
listen
to
bbcp
policies
that
you
all
are
trying
to
support,,
I
would
have
added,
and
I
encourage
you
to
think
about
adding
seven
point.
Zero,
nine,,
which
is
housing
for
a
whole
range
of
households,.
J
J
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
so,
then,,
my
question,,
which
is,
pb,
sarah
silver:
and
no
point
during
the
subcommittee
meetings.
Have
we
really
ever
talked
about
the
strip
malls
that
exist
along
arapaho
and
elsewhere
that
are
and
I'm
I'm
sure
they
have
a
different
zones..
I
don't
know
what
their
zones
are.
J
J
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
it's
amazing.,
cob,
karl
guiler:,
yeah,
no.,
and
I
I
probably
am
not
the
best
one
to
answer
that
question,,
because
I
wasn't
in
those
initial
conversations.,
but
I
think
that
that's
absolutely.,
that's
why
we're
bringing
this
forward
now,
before
we
jump
into
module.
Three
is
if
there's
additional
things
or
or
additional
topics
that
we
want
to
bring
in
or
study.
um,.
That's
exactly
what
we
want
to
hear
tonight.!
So
that's
helpful.!
I
don't
know,
carl,!
You
have
more
to
add,
yeah,
I
mean,
I.
K
Cob,
karl
guiler:
automotive,
automobile
cob,,
karl
guiler:
oriented
and
could
be
made
where
the
buildings
are,
you
know.,
closest
to
it.,
it's
more
pedestrian
friendly
with
the
parking
behind.
um!
make
it
a
more
of
a
center.
um,.
I
think
one
of
the
areas
that
we're
thinking
about
is
is
the
area
between
diagonal
plaza
down
to
um.,
the
vault
of
valley,
regional
center,,
that
stretch
of
twenty
eighth
street.
K
Cob,
karl
guiler:
in
particular.,
but
I
I
think
that's
on
our
minds,,
but
it's
not
really
something
that
we're
focusing
on
with
this
particular
project..
It's
it's
addressed
in
the
boulder
valley..
It's
really
an
area
that
I
think,
would
probably
more
an
area
planning
process
to
figure
out
the
intensity,
and
how
the
design
should
play
out
on
those
quarters..
So
that's
why
this
hasn't
really
necessarily
been
the
focus.
it..
It's
actually
very
similar
to
module
two
like,.
K
Cob,
karl
guiler:,
you
know,
lisa,
and
I
are
really
looking
at
kind
of
the
areas
that
are
not
going
to
necessarily
be
rezoned,
and
how
to
bring
those
into
compliance
with
the
plan,
and
I
think,
with
module
three.
we're
kind
of
looking
at
those
areas
of
the
city,,
whether
residential
or
bc.,
zones
that
we're
not
anticipating
are
going
to
be
rezoned..
So
that's
why
I
would
say,
though,.
That's
why
those.
L
L
L
L
L
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
I'm
thinking
along
twenty,,
eighth
and
thinking
along..
I
hope
that
you
know
there
are
some
long-standing
businesses
that
I
think
very
thoughtfully
need
to
be
offered
somewhere
to
exist
in
the
meantime,
and
then
to
ensure
that
they
can
either
own
again
or
lease
again,
and
make
rent
um,
and
still
exist.,
but
um!.
L
L
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
some
kind
of
you
know,
an
existing
restaurant,
that's
not
a
terribly
expensive
restaurant,,
but
that
has
a
wonderful,
you
know,,
while
recognizing
that
something
built
in
the
nineteen
fifty
s.
through
eighty
s.
has
probably
reached
the
end
of
its
useful
life..
It's
got
a
parking
lot
out
in
front
of
it..
It
should
never
have
had
a
parking
lot
out
in
front,.
You
know,.
L
L
L
L
Pb,
lisa,
smith:
and
or
to
discourage,,
because
I
know
we
we
send
them
to
get
a
little
pressure
by
seeing
big
boxes
come
up
over
and
over,,
and
you
know,
when
they're
very
nice
in
boxes,
they've
tried
to
make
as
as
nice
as
possible.
um,
you
know.
and
and
yeah,.
I
just
think
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity,
there,
and
I
hope
it
gets
dressed
somehow,,
even
if
not
through
this
process.
H
H
H
H
Pb
ml
robles:
places
in
boulder?,
and
we
we
do
have
a
lot
of
those
kind
of
strip
malls,
and
maybe
outdated,
outdated
buildings
that,,
given
some
attention,
might,.
H
E
E
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
by
and
and
and
I'm.
I'm
all
for
public
engagement,
and
the
kind
of
robust
public
engagement
that
we
had
in
the
east.
Boulder
sub-community
plan
however,
having
been
involved
in
a
number
of
different
processes,,
the
election
commission's,
open
space
commissions
and
so
forth.
E
E
Pb
mark
mcintyre:,
we
litigate
the
bbc.,
so
I
think
it's
clear
that
it
should
be
very
clear
that
there
are
guardrails..
There
are
limitations..
There
are
dividing
lines
that
say
we're
not
going
to
go
there..
So
that's
my
input
on
that
um..
In
looking
also
on
page
twenty,,
one
of
the
of
this
particular
portion
of
the
memo.
pdf.
page
fifty,
four.,
you
list
the
boards
and
commissions
that
you
are
going
to
incorporate.
E
Pb
mark
mcintyre:
and-
and
I
and
I
also.
E
E
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
thank
you.
first,
I
wanted
to
ask.
is
this:.
Is
this
slide
the
only
slide
that
we
have
on
module
three,
or
is
there
more?
so??
Maybe
I'll
hold
my
comments
until
lisa
gets
through
all
of
her
slides.,
but
there
are
lots
of
things
I
want
to
say
responding
to
the
excellent
comments
of
my
colleagues.,
but
I'll,
maybe
I'll
hold,,
and
if
lisa
could
go
ahead.
A
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
to
get
through
it.,
not
a
lot.,
just
a
couple
more.
um!,
I
did
just
wanna,
highlight
some
of
the
engagement
that
we
heard.
um..
I
mentioned
that
this
has
been
kind
of
the
hottest
topic
of
these
tables.,
so
um!.
When
we
did
that
engagement
initially
for
phase
two
back
in
two
thousand
and
twenty,,
it
was
all
virtual.
um,.
This
is
the
summer
um.
we
didn't
even
hold
our
questionnaire..
We
also
had
some
online
public
information
sessions
for
people,,
but.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
I
just
wanted
to
give
an
overview
very
high
level
of
the
feedback
that
we
heard
at
that
time.
um,,
which
was
focused
on
this
topic.
majority
of
respondents,
were
open
to
a
greater
mix
of
uses
in
neighborhood
centers.,
so
uses
like
restaurants,
coffee,
shops,,
retail,,
personal
service,
greater
mix
of
housing.
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
We
had
a
similar
question,
asking
if
people
were
open
to
a
greater
mix
of
uses
within
a
fifteen
minute,
walk
up
their
house,
or
where
they
work.
Um!
and
a
majority
of
respondents
were
open
to
that
as
well..
A
similar
mix
of
uses.
um,,
but
they're
housing,,
maybe
at
a
lower
intensity
for
that
than
a
in
the
neighborhood
center..
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
and
then
I
was
gonna
just
mention
the
council
feedback
that
we've
gotten
so
far.
kind
of
on
the
left
side
is
what
we
got
in
two
thousand
and
twenty
right
side
of
the
additional
input
that
we
got
for
our
for
these
questions.
support
for
allowing
a
greater
diversity
of
uses
in
neighborhood,
centers.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
um,
and
then
support
for
allowing
limited
circumstances
and
walkerable
and
compatible
uses
in
order
to
foster
in
those
fifteen
minute
neighborhoods
in
those
homogeneous,
areas.
um.,
but
council
did
at
that
point
say
that
there
should
be
a
review
process
that
allows
opportunities
for
neighborhood
input
and
potentially
planning
for
a
review.
in
that
kind
of
situation.
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
what
we
heard
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
in
our
study
session
with
council,
some
questions
about
um,.
What
we're??
What
could
be
some
incentives
that
we
could
incorporate
that
would
encourage
neighbors
to
accept
these
new
uses
in
their
areas,
or
be
more
on
board
with
this
type
of
new
use.
Council
members
also
encourage
innovation,
thinking
innovatively
about
which
uses
could
be
allowed
to
develop
a
rich
mix
of
uses
near
housing.
um,,
noting
that
it's
more
sustainable
for
people
to
be
able
to.
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
as
identifying
landmarks
or
features
for
these
uses
to
be
located
around
um,
and
then
some
council
members
are
excited
about
the
potential
opportunity
with
this
section
to
address
concerns
of
housing
costs
and
climate
change.
um,,
providing
a
broad
range
of
options.
um,.
While
noting
that
there
has
to
be
kind
of
a
mix
of
approaches,
rather
than
just
adding
uses
and
commercial
hubs.,
you
would
also
need
to
have.
I
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
That
is
what
we've
heard
from
council
as
terms
of
direction..
As
I
mentioned,.
This
is
really
just
general
direction.,
we've
kind
of
already
gotten
into
the
conversation.,
but
just
hoping
to
see.
If
there's
any
other
specific
direction
that
you
all
have
related
to
neighborhood
serving
uses
that
we
can
start
thinking
about
for
module,
three.
G
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
I
am
sensitive
to
sarah's
concern,
and
it
sounds
like
the
council
has
had
the
same
concern,,
but
not
all
neighbors.
In
ah,,
typically
low
density.
residential
neighborhoods
are
going
to
love
the
concept
of
mixed
use..
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
conversation
that
will
require
some
courage
and
some
vision.
G
G
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan::
this
is
our
one
of
our
golden
opportunities
to
get
more
missing
middle
housing
in
boulder.
um,.
I
think
probably
everybody
here
is
familiar
with
daniel
parole's
book
on
missing
middle
housing..
I
read
it
when
I
first
came
on
planning
board,
and
one
of
the
key
concepts
in
that
book
is
that.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
typically
low
density.
residential
neighborhoods
are
one
of
the
key
places
where
missing
mental
housing
can
make
sense,,
especially
if
you
have
regulations
that
say
that
the
type
of
housing
that
you're
looking
for
is
within
the
envelope
of
what
would
be
allowed
for
a
large
single
family
house
right
currently
in
my
neighborhood.
small
houses
are
being
torn
down,
and
being
replaced
with
very
large
luxury
homes,,
and
I
don't
begrudge
those
neighbors.
they're
beautiful
homes.
they're.
G
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
build
four
condos
builds.,
that's
a
triplex
right?
and
those
are
still
not
going
to
be
market
rate
affordable
for
low-income
folks,,
but
they
will
provide
a
diversity
of
housing,
types
and
options
that
we
do
not
currently
have
much
of
in
boulder,.
So
I
am
strongly
in
favor
of
thinking
about
how
to.
G
G
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
on
the
edge
of
open
space.
you
know,
in
a
residential
neighborhood
where
tours
are
coming
through.
people
are
parking
at
the
trailhead,
and
they
would
love
to
have
an
opportunity
to
buy
their
kids
and
ice
cream,
or
sit
down
and
have
a
nice
brunch,
and
combine
that
with
a
hike
on
the
open
space..
So
I
think
we
can
think
really
creatively
about
where
these
uses
make
sense..
Given
the
changing
patterns
of
how
people
are
using
space,,
especially
now
with
the
additional
accessibility
provided
by
motorized
options
like
scooters..
If
we
extend
that
program.
G
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:-
that
is
one
thing.
one
of
many
things
that
I'm
hoping
come
out
of..
This
is
the
diversification
of
how
we
use
the
land
in
those
neighborhood
centers
and
build
in
mixed
use.
There,,
and
I
also
really
appreciated
council's
addition
of
of
framing
this
in
terms
of
climate
change.
and
you
know,.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
bolder,
as
the
city
needs
to
be
less
pb,,
laura
kaplan:
car
dependence,
and
have
more
of
our
needs
met
in
our
neighborhoods.,
and
I
think
that
this
module
is
really
going
to
help
with
that..
So
I
applaud
and
appreciate
the
work
that
staff
is
doing
here..
I
know
it's
not
going
to
be
easy..
I
know
we
are
going
to
have
a
diversity
of
opinions.
and
I
think
we
really
need
to
think
as
a
community,.
How?
How
do
we
have
some
vision
in
how
we
implement
our
bbcp
policies.
A
A
A
A
A
L
L
L
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
but
you
had
little
places
like
that,
you
know,
somewhere,
you
could
walk.
you
could,
you
know,
throughout
the
city,
where
you
were
walking
to
get
a
sandwich..
It
wasn't
even
a
full
convenience,
store,
or
anything.,
but
it
had
just
odds
and
ends
of
stuff
that
you
needed..
So
if
you
needed
to
buy,,
you
know
a
thing
of
sugar,:
they
had
one
brand
like
I
said
it
was
plug,
marked
up
a
bit..
You
could
walk,
you
know,
and
um!
and
right
now,
that's
we
can't
build
those,.
L
Pb,
lisa
smith:,
you
know
they're
they're,
literally
restricted
out
by
the
code,
and-
and
so
I
I
think,
the
point
about
you
know
we
don't..
We
don't
necessarily
want
to
put
in
place
something
that
is
going
to
read
to
big
national
developers.
Like,
oh,
great!.
I
can
put
a
king
supers
on
this
corner
because
that's
not
there,
and
then
the
demand
isn't
there.
um,.
It
just
makes
me
sad
that
you
know
somewhere
can't
have,.
L
Pb,
lisa
smith:
and
even
have,,
you
know,
a
beer
or
a
wine
license,
you
know,,
maybe
not
hard
liquor,,
and
then
they
close
at
ten
or
something
or
nine
thirty..
I
don't
know
um,
you
know,,
but
that's
just
something
like
that.
that..
I
think
the
neighborhood
pub.
Basically,
that
also
has
a
fuller
out
front..
We
just
don't
have
um,
and
they're,
not
allowed.,
so,
anyway,,
that's
a
very
specific
example.,
but
I
I
think
that's
what
builds
a
neighborhood
is
having
somewhere..
L
L
Pb,
lisa
smith:
pitch
for
the
corner
of
green
briar
and
broadway
for
affordable
housing,.
One
of
the
things
that
made
me
crazy
is
that
that's
a
very
high
traffic
location.,
it's
a
major
entrance
into
the
city,
and
there
was
nothing
public
and
nothing
neighborhoody
about
it.,
so
yeah.
if,
however,.
We
can
figure
out
how
to.
J
pb,,
sarah
silver:,
I
I
agree
with
ah,
john,
and
I
think
what
lisa
was
saying,,
that
we
really
need
a
definition
of
fifteen
minute
neighborhood,.
If
that's
going
to
be
something
that
we
pursue.
and
I
happen
to
feel
very
strongly
that.
J
J
J
J
Pb,
sarah
silver:
dialed
in
exactly
correctly,
and
it's
something
that
won't
be
controversial,,
whereas
up
zoning
residential
areas
is,
by
definition,
going
to
be
controversial,
and
the
very
fact
that.
J
J
J
J
J
A
Lisa
houde,
cob:
all
right..
I
think
I
only
have
one
more
slide
for
you
just
to
follow.
Up.
um.
thanks
for
the
great
discussion
on
all
of
these
topics.
uh,.
This
is
really
helpful.
Feedback.
um!.
The
next
step
is
really
to
start
to
our
related
to
module
to
that
module
three.,
but
start
to
draft
these
changes.
we're
meeting
with
our
va.
on
sam
al
and
sarah,.
So
we'll
dig
into
more
of
what
we
talked
about
in,
I
think.,
but
next
week
or
week,
afterwards,
um.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
early
october,
we're
tentatively
scheduled
for
the
october
the
eighteenth,
planning
for
a
meeting
to
bring
in
draft
ordinance
before
you..
That's
where
we
would
have
a
public
hearing.
but
we'll
be
discussing
that
based
on
the
conversation
today,
and
there
will
be
continued
public
outreach
throughout
that
time..
We
are
currently,.
I
Lisa
houde,
cob:
tentatively
scheduled
for
city
council
in
december.,
so
there's
a
bit
of
wiggle
room
there
between
october
and
november.
um,
and
more
time
there
and
then..
The
second
reading
would
be
mid
december,
and
that's
trying
to
keep
us
on
schedule
with
the
same
momentum
through
this
project.
to
get
to
that
module
three..
So
that's
what
you
can
expect.
I
A
A
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
yes,,
I
brad
mueller,
cob:
thank
you,
mr.
chair.,
first
of
all,.
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
giving
such
a
warm
acknowledgment
to
lane
service
and
the
importance
of
public
service..
I
try
to
emphasize
that
to
staff
on
a
regular
basis,,
including
an
all-staff.
We
that
we
had
today,
and.
M
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
societies,.
M
M
M
Cob,
amanda
cusworth:
no,,
no
worries.,
thanks,
brad.
um,
yeah..
I
just
wanted
to
remind
everybody
about
the
retreat
on
october.
Third,
until
keep
your
eyes
on
your
email,
this
next
week,
as
we
prepare
for
that,
and
the
agenda
is
forthcoming.
M
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
brad
mueller,
cob:
on
on
staff,
is
responsible
for.
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
changes
associated
with
affordable
housing,.
M
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
yeah,
in
in
light
of
our
brad
mueller,
cob:
her
resources
and
staffing,
brad
mueller,
cob:.
I
will
say
to
along
those
lines:
we've
been
very
appreciative
of
the
city
manager,
office,
manager's
office,,
as
well
as
council
preliminarily
in
their
discussions
about
the
budget
and
their
support..
For
what
was
a
big
ask
this
year
of
our
department.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
sorry
double
muted
on
my
headset.
first,
congratulations
on
what
we
think
is
going
to
be
good
news
about
the
eight
new
positions.
That's
fantastic.
is
that
super
excited
to
hear
that
well,
deserved,
and
looking
forward
to
all
the
great
things
the
department
will
do
with
all
that
staffing.
G
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
I
did
want
to
ask,.
You
know
you
said
you're
going
to
talk
with
city
council
about
priorities..
I
wanted
to
ask
where
the
boulder
airport.
master
plan
falls
into
that,
because
I
know
that
that
is
a
work.
Plan.
item
that
you
folks
are
wanting
to
do
in
the
near
future
sort
of
accelerate
that.,
and
I
I
made
a
request
that
that
process
be
really
robust,
with
a
lot
of
outreach
which
may
have
implications
for
budget
and
prioritization..
So
is
that
an
item
that
you'll
be
discussing
with
city
council.
M
D
G
M
M
A
Pb,
john
gerstle:
yeah.
actually,,
the
airport,
was
within
the
boundaries
of
the
east,
boulder
subcommittee
plan,,
but
in
fact,
it
did
not
get
addressed
in
the
plan
itself.,
and
so
I
think
laura
is
quite
right..
We
hope
we.
G
G
G
M
M
M
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:,
so
so
that's
just
a
sampling
of
kind
of
the
brad
mueller,
cob:,
the
list
of
things.
brad
mueller,
cob:
that
are
outside
of
the
department.
That
also
include
an
app.
E
E
M
Brad
mueller,
cob:
and
then
looking
through
quickly.