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City of Charleston Ad Hoc Budget Advisory Committee 11/12/2020
A
C
A
C
Well,
in
that
event,
everybody's
here
and
we
can
go
ahead
and
proceed,
that'd
be
good.
I
will
get
going
and
I
don't
know
that
there's
much
on
the
agenda
other
than
our
2021
budget
for
next
year.
I
will
ask
you
to
join
me
in
a
moment
of
silence,
as
we
reflect
on
our
deliberations
and
decisions
for
the
good
of
our
citizens
and
our
city
going
forward.
C
I'm
not
saying
there
isn't
a
single
ounce
of
something
out
there
that
we
could
cut,
but
there's
no
there's,
no
big
slab
of
fat
and
and
there's
we
we've
got
a
pretty
lean
running
organization
right
now
and
where
our
real
challenge
is,
is
the
fact
that
you
know
our
projection
for
licensed
business
license
revenue
is,
is
for
next
year
is
down
something
like
nine
ten
million
dollars.
Our
projection
for
parking
revenue
is
down
by
a
similar
amount.
Our
projection
for
both
accommodations
funding
and
hospitality.
C
Our
accommodations
tax
is,
is
way
down
compared
to
normal
years.
So
what
the
challenges
we
face
are
mostly
on
the
revenue
side
and
not
on
the
expense
side.
So
it's
taken
a
remarkable
effort
just
to
get
this
proposal
to
you
today
and
without
talking
any
further.
Let
me
turn
it
over
to
amy
to
bring
us
bring
us
the
details.
Amy.
F
Okay,
okay.
So
since
our
last
ad
hoc
meeting,
we
were
at
a
14.7
million
dollar
deficit.
That
was
the
base
budget
of
18
million
less
the
cuts
that
were
made
by
the
department,
heads
and
also
by
is,
and
at
that
time
we
presented
five
options
to
balance
the
budget
which
I'll
remind
you
of
in
the
next
two
slides.
F
So
we
had
millage
and
lost
increasing
both
millage
by
three
mills
and
keeping
for
50
of
the
local
options:
sales
tax
revenue
fund.
We
had
just
a
three
mill
increase,
just
keeping
50
of
the
local
option,
sales
tax
revenue
fund,
and
then
we
had
it
at
two
mills
and
fifty
percent
loss
and
three
mills
at
a
25
loss.
I
don't
know
if
you
remember
all
those
options,
just
thought
I'd
remind
you.
F
We
would
have
a
deficit
of
five
point,
almost
five
point-
three
million
dollars
which
we
would
have
fund
balance
to
cover
if
we
just
raised
millage
by
three
mils
and
we
would
have
to
do
the
pay
reduction
for
employees.
That
was
a
value
of
I
think
about
2.1
million
dollars.
We
would
still
have
a
deficit
of
7.2.
F
F
F
Then
we
looked
at
just
a
two
mil
increase
plus
keeping
fifty
percent
a
local
option.
Sales
tax
that
would
we
could
do
no
pay
reduction
for
employees.
We'd
have
a
six
point:
four
million
dollar
deficit
we'd
use
the
fund
balance
of
six,
but
we'd
still
have
to
cut
427
thousand
dollars
somewhere
and
then
a
three
mil
increase
at
just
keeping
25
percent
of
lost,
which
would
mean
we'd
be
giving
back.
75
percent
no
pay
reduction
well
or
at
least
a
reduced
pay
reduction
deficit
of
seven
use.
E
F
That's
right,
okay,
so
this
is
the
draft
budget
I
sent
to
you
all,
just
the
the
well.
I
sent
you
a
different
version,
but
this
this
actually,
I
just
have
revenues
and
expenses
for
for
the
general
fund
because,
like
you
said
it's
really
long,
but
I
can
share
my
screen.
If
you
want
to
see
it
more
detail,
do
you
want
me
to
do
that
or
is
this
okay.
F
So
still
have
a
9.5
million,
almost
9.6
million
deficit
in
the
general
fund,
4.26
million.
We
can
use
in
enterprise
funds
to
help
balance
and
we're
having
to
use
5.2
or
almost
5.3
million
dollars
in
our
fund
balance
and
that's
based
on
raising
mileage,
three
mils
and
also
keeping
fifty
percent
of
look
option.
As
we
discussed
in
our
last
meeting.
D
F
F
F
D
D
Some
additional
revenues
from
sources
we're
working
with
right
now
and
we
were
to
come
up
with
four
three
four
million
dollars.
Let's
say
within
the
first
six
months
of
fiscal
year:
21
we
still
would
have
time
if
we
wanted
to
that
is
to
reduce
and
give
more
monies
back
to
lost
revenue
to
the
taxpayers.
D
E
Councilmember,
mr
man,
do
we
have
any
idea
either
way
with
any
of
the
proposals
that
were
floated
from
the
house
of
representatives
on
this
cover
relief
money?
How
that
would
translate
into
cities?
Has
anybody
looked
into
that
and
come
up
with
any
hard
numbers
or
estimates
as
to
what
kind
of
money
would
be
filtered
into
cities.
G
Yeah,
mr
mayor,
I
mean
the
only
thing
that's
passed.
Congress
is
the
bill
that
passed
the
house
this
past
may.
That
would
have
provided
38
million
dollars
in
in
in
to
the
city
in
this
fiscal
year
in
18
million
next
fiscal
year.
You
know,
however,
you
know
that's
just
past
the
house.
It's
probably
not
going
to
pass
the
senate
so
and
congress
hasn't
passed
anything,
but
that
was
sort
of
the
range
they
were.
C
Well,
well,
based
upon
what
rick
just
said,
even
blowing
off
money
for
2020,
if
we
even
got
half
of
what
they
said,
what
the
house
passed
for
2021,
we
would
not
be
having
this
discussion
here
today
about
millage
and
local
options,
sales,
tax
credit
we
would
we
would
we
would
have
a
balanced
budget.
That's
all
there
is
to
it.
G
C
D
I
do
believe
we
need
to
look
at
the
dependent
amount
that
we
supplement
as
a
city
on
our
medical
plan.
I
I
do
believe
out
of
that.
I
don't
know
24
million
dollars
or
whatever.
That
number
is
a
big
number,
that
we
can
tweak
that
a
little
bit
and
maybe
pick
up
a
mill
or
maybe
perhaps
two
out
of
that,
and
if
you
say
why
did
I
say
that
we
have
very
good
health
benefits
for
our
employees,
but
we
also
have
very
good
health
benefits
from
a
cost
perspective
for
our
employees.
D
D
I
think
that
is
a
something
to
look
at
in
21,
because
you're
right,
one
time,
amy's
right,
one
time,
revenues,
that's
not
the
way
to
go
out
budgeting,
but
prayerfully
we're
just
using
that.
As
a
bridge-
and
I
know
you
know
this,
mr
man
so
does
peter
and
the
rest
of
people
on
the
call,
but
hopefully
we
trying
to
find
a
bridge
to
a
better
economy
and
with
the
virus
with
the
vaccines
coming
out.
Hopefully,
you
know
six
months
from
now,
prayerfully
we're
gonna
be
looking
at
an
economy.
D
H
E
F
D
F
D
Yeah
see
the
part
that,
because
we're
in
a
cold
vetting
economy,
you
know,
as
we
all
know,
when
we
have
increased
millage
in
the
past,
it's
been
the
lost
revenue
that
has
usually
in
a
couple
of
years
also
that
increase,
but
for
perilous
times
financially
that
we're
in
right.
Now,
we
I
think
we
have
to
consider.
F
F
C
D
B
D
D
D
F
So
basically,
like
I
said
it's
based
on
increasing
millage
by
three
meals
and
keeping
50
percent
of
the
revenue
fund,
a
local
option
provides
an
additional
9
million
to
the
general
fund.
Enterprise
fund
was
operating
in
a
smaller
than
we
normally
see
profit,
so
4.26
million
to
the
general
fund
from
enterprise
funds
transferring
tourism
funds
of
7.4,
which
is
still
more
than
2
million
dollars
under
what
we
normally
transfer
in
to
the
general
fund
expenditures,
were
reduced
by
9
million.
F
And
then
their
next
step,
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
slides
because
we've
talked
about
this
a
lot
just
right
up
until
we
have
our
full
council
workshop
next
week.
So
we
have
that
on
november
18th,
the
advertisement
that
you
see
in
the
paper
on
sunday,
because
we
had
to
send
that
in
on
to
this
past
tuesday.
F
Is
this
budget?
Just
so
you
know.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
have
any
questions
or
concerns
about
that
and
then
november
24th
we
will
bring
the
local
option
sales
tax
resolution
to
council
for
approval,
which
will
allow
us
to
keep
a
portion
of
those
funds
rather
than
giving
100
back
and
then
the
first
reading
of
the
budget
will
be
on
december
1st
and
there
will
be
a
public
hearing
on
the
budget
at
that
meeting
as
well.
G
F
G
F
C
H
H
What
do
we
know
what
percentage
of
people
paying
property
taxes
in
the
city
live
in
a
three
hundred
thousand
dollar
four
percent
house
as
opposed
to
something
different,
I
mean
my
understanding
is
fifty
percent
of
the
residents
in
the
city
of
charleston,
don't
own
their
houses
but
or
they're
where
they
live,
but
that's
a
property
having
tax
paid
on
it.
So
that
would
be
the
six
percent
I'm
interested
to
know
when
we
use
that
as
an
example,
how
many
people
that
actually
translates
to,
as
opposed
to
the
rest
of
the
world,.
F
H
Yeah,
I
think
so
I
mean
one
of
the
things
when
we
start
tinkering
with
lost
and
with
property.
Taxes
is
sure
I
mean
if
you're
a
family
that
owns
a
300
000
house.
That's
one
hit
you
take,
but
property
taxes
affect
people
who
rent
equally
because
those
taxes
get
passed
through
those
people
who
are
running.
F
D
Yeah
thanks,
listen.
Obviously
this
is
a
hard
decision
to
make
and
I
hear
you
mike,
but
if
there
any
other
councilman,
you
know
on
this
meeting
that
that
would
like
to
do
or
have
some
thought
processes
that
we
should
go
in
another
direction.
I
I
mean
I
I'd
like
to
hear
the
counter
and
I'm
going
to
say
that
in
the
mean
way
somebody
may
say
something
that
we
didn't.
Think
of.
D
5
million.
I'm
sorry!
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
for
community
initiatives
and
the
reality
is
on
a
lot
of
those
initiatives.
We
are
already
spending
them,
but
they
come
out
of
in
most
cases
the
general
fund
on
some
even
cases
when
it
comes
to
drainage.
It
comes
out
of
stone
water
funds.
So
if
a
concerned
citizen
were
to
go
to
our
budget
and
say
well,
how
much
do
they
spend
on
affordable
housing?
How
much
do
they
spend
on
drainage
in
underserved
areas?
D
D
We,
I
think,
that's
what
we
feel
on
that
interest
on
that
somewhere
up
in
that
neighborhood
or
when
we
use
fee
and
lou
to
put
a
subsidy
into
the
owner
occupied
houses
that
were
affordable
houses
that
were
built
in
ashleyville
that
doesn't
show
up
anywhere
in
our
budget.
Now
we
know
we're
doing
it
all
13
people,
the
man,
12
council
people,
know
that
we're
doing
it.
You
know
we're
doing
it,
but
there's
no
place
for
the
public
to
to
go
and
see.
D
I
think
if
we
were
to
go
and
extract
monies
that
fee
and
luke
were
leveraged
to
create
affordable
housing
dollars
being
spent
in
minority
communities
to
alleviate
flooding
the
interest
we
pay
on
a
20
million
dollar,
affordable
bond
and
I'm
sure
there
are
other
things
out
there.
The
business
license
fee
that
I
think
we
added
three
percent
to
some
years
ago
to
help
run
our
affordable
housing
office.
I
think
you're
gonna
find
that
we
may
be
beyond
five
million
dollars,
but
we'll
have
a
a
fairly
decent
number
out
there.
D
Well
beyond
the
300
000
that
some
of
the
letters
that
we
all
got
that
were
sent
to
us.
So
there's
got
to
be
a
better
way
for
us
to
tell
that
story
financially
and
have
it
on
our
website.
Do
we
need
to
do
more?
I
think
we
all
would
say
yeah
but,
for
example,
cpw
now
this
was
cpw
monies,
but
it
was
because
the
relationship
with
the
city
spent
1.8,
plus
million
dollars,
bringing
water
and
sewer
into
the
mitigated
area
on
greece.
D
The
grace
apartments
that
just
recently
opened
by
the
housing
authority
and
again
normally
that's
the
development
cost,
but
they
brought
those
dollars
in
trying
to
assist
the
city
and
this
goal
of
creating
permanent,
affordable
housing,
but
somehow
that
accounting
doesn't
doesn't
get
in
there.
You
follow
me
so
somehow,
on
the
other
side
of
this,
maybe
late
december
january,
we
can
have
a
action.
D
Those
are
the
facts
if
somebody
were
to
say
I'm
from
missouri
show
me:
what
are
you
guys
doing
in
these
areas
that
they're
requesting
monies
for
and
and
asking
us
where
to
take
it
from?
We
need
to
identify
where
money's
already
going
to
some
of
these
causes
and
and
they'll
see
that
we're
working
together.
D
A
A
School
right,
thank
you.
The
school
board,
okay,
some
of
them
are
also
the
responsibility
that
is
shared
with
the
housing
authority.
Most
folks
don't
clearly
understand
that
the
housing
authority
is
a
separate
legal
entity
from
the
city
and
they're,
also
infusing
dollars
into
affordable
housing.
So
to
me
I
agree
with
you,
council
councilman.
A
There
needs
to
be
some
kind
of
educational
approach
to
kind
of
let
the
public
know
that
there
are
things
that
we
are
already
doing,
that
probably
do
far
exceed
the
5
million
of
the
10
reduction
that
they
want
us
to
take
on
the
police
department.
But
in
addition
to
that,
many
of
the
things
that
they're
articulating
are
really
not
directly
the
responsibility
of
the
city,
and
I
think
we
need
to
identify
that.
F
So
you
know
the
5
million
that
they
talked
about.
If
you
really
look
at
the
police
department's
operating
budget,
it's
only
5.9
million
dollars
in
2020,
so
you
would
be
paid.
You
would
be
defunding
the
police
department
because
everything
else
is
salary.
So
I
understand
that
it's
a
big
budget,
but
it's
salaries
for
the
police
department.
F
I
can
have
in
the
full
council
workshop
next
week
because
all
of
the
affordable
housing-
that's
all
in
our
special
revenue
funds,
and
if
anybody
looked
at
our
comprehensive
annual
financial
report
or
capper,
you
kind
of
would
see
a
bigger
picture
of
all
the
funds.
It's
not
as
detailed
as
maybe
a
budget
would
be,
but
they're
it's
in
there.
But
I
can.
I
can
provide
some
information
on
that
for
the
full
council
workshop
next
week.
F
If
you'd
like
me
to
do
that
and
then
also
we're
working
on
storyboards
and
things
like
that,
with
opengov
as
a
part
of
the
transparency
that
we're
trying
to
implement
and
one
of
the
storyboards
will
be
affordable
housing,
it
will
be
drainage
and
all
that,
so
we
are
working
towards
getting
those
storyboards
done
so
that
the
public
can
see
all
these
things.
These
great
things
that
we're
doing
just
to
let
you
know,
I
wasn't
sure
if
any
of
you
knew
about
that
project.
But
we.
G
A
F
A
D
Yeah
and
I
think
when
you,
if
you
look
at
again
grace
holmes,
you
look
at
ml
king
swimming
pool.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
hadn't
been
over
there
in
months
and
councilman
gregory
told
me:
have
you
seen
it
go
by
it's
beautiful?
I
agree.
It
is
absolutely
beautiful.
I
sunday
I
rolled
by
and
I
saw
a
south
carolina
state
building.
D
You
know
the
city
obviously
gave
that
land
and
helped
facilitate
somehow
that
doesn't
we
no
we're
not
getting
credit
for
that,
not
that
we
asking
for
credit,
but
we
need
to
be
able
to
let
them
let
the
public
know
and
let
them
come
and
actually
touch
and
feel
those
actual
that's
gonna
be
a
community
center.
That's
gonna
serve
again
the
community
at
the
south
carolina
state
facility.
That's
come
along
very
well,
I
don't
know
if
anyone
have
been
by
then
lately,
that's
wonderful,
yeah.
D
So
in
a
sense
my
grandfather
used
to
say
out
of
all
bad
cops,
some
good.
Sometimes
you
need
a
magnifying
glass
to
find
the
good.
But
if
you
look
it's
there,
so
I
we're
doing
a
lot
of
good.
We
need
to
help
these
people
with
the
magnifying
glass
to
see
it
right
and
thank
you
amy.
I
didn't
know
about
the
storyboards.
I
I
was
hesitant
to
keep
anything
else
on
you
because
I
know
you
all
are
very
much
overworked
right
now,
trying
to
crank
this
budget
out.
So
thank.
E
E
That's
a
huge
increase
over
that
that
period
of
time
and
then,
when
you
look
at
also
the
amount
of
transfers
from
the
enterprise
funds
to
help
us
balance
our
budget
I
mean
as
high
as
last
year
or
I'm
sorry,
maybe
last
year,
11
million
dollars
in
transfer.
In
I
mean
those
are
things
that
I
think
we
just
need
to
highlight
a
little
bit
more
to
show
people
how
this
budget
has
increased
dramatically.
E
They
may
have
started
off
by
talking
about
the
number
of
population,
growth
reduction
and
our
city
staff,
employee,
employee
staff,
and
still
this
budget
just
incrementally
grows
every
year.
It's
just
it's
just
a
a
very
important
part
of
how
the
history
of
this
community
and
the
lifeblood
the
health
of
this
community
is
reflected
in
this
budget.
So
I
think
this
is
a
good
visual
for
particularly
for
me,
and
I
think
for
a
lot
of
other
folks
as
to
how
this
has
changed
over
time.
So,
thanks
for
putting
that
together,.
C
So
what
has
been
presented
to
you
today
has
been
the
process
of
a
lot
of
hard
work
by
amy
and
our
staff,
but
also
the
recommendations
and-
and
I
feel
the
consensus
of
this
ad
hoc
budget
committee.
So
let
me
just
ask
at
this
juncture
with
what
has
been
presented
to
you
today.
Is
it?
Is
it
still
our
consensus
that
this
is
our
proposal
to
move
forward
to
council.
D
C
Absolutely-
and
we
will
I'm
going
publicly
here,
shout
out
to
councilmember
waring,
who
has
brought
an
idea
to
me
to
to
investigate
maybe
getting
a
little
bit
of
money
out
of
out
of
one
of
our
relationship
that
that
may
be
possible.
We
don't
have
a
final
word
on
that
and
it
might
not
be
as
much
as
I
might
get
close
to
it.
We're
working
on
that
and
we're
also
as
as
has
been
referenced
here
today
by
both
councilmember,
shade
and
and
warren.
C
If,
if
we
we
are
fortunate
enough
to
to
get
some
cares
help
in
the
coming
year
from
the
federal
government,
it
would
make
a
huge
difference,
and
the
numbers
we
submit
next
september
could
be
could
be
a
different
scenario,
but
we,
unlike
the
federal
government,
are,
are-
and
I'm
thankful
that
we
are,
we
must
have
a
balanced
budget.
This
is
the
responsible
thing
to
do.
C
We,
we
had
a
18
million
dollar
shortfall,
we're
balancing
that
with
with
a
budget
cuts
along
with
preserving
our
workforce,
which
I
think
they
deserve
that
at
the
same
time
we're
we're
we're
freezing
hiring
for
another
year.
I
I
know
some
of
our
departments
have
been
hoping
to
get
some
of
this
extra
help.
They
won't
be
getting
it.
We're
also
are
not
doing
a
cost
of
living
increase,
which
which,
frankly
I
regret.
B
B
I
just
wanted
us
to
be
reminded
about
the
stormwater
budget,
because
we
sort
of
left
that,
in
my
recollection,
up
in
the
air
in
terms
of
whether
we
would
entertain
an
increase
in
order
to
have
another
crew
be
able
to
take,
you
know,
take
more
responsibility
or
more
rapidly
we're
taking
responsibility
but
be
able
to
respond
more
rapidly
if
we
would
be
able
to
increase
our
maintenance
budget.
So
I
know
that's
a
different
time
right.
We
don't
have
to
decide
the
stormwater
budget
on.
We
don't
have
on
december
1st
correct.
C
So,
in
addition,
council
members,
since
that
discussion,
councilmember
waring
and
I
who
are
both
on
the
charleston
water
service
board,
have
met
with
the
leadership
there
and
talked
further
about
a
topic
that
we
discussed.
I
think
year
before
last,
and
that's
some
some
billing
situations.
I
guess,
with
with
the
way
we
bill
our
stormwater
fund
through
charleston
water
service.
B
C
Well,
you
would
normally
set
our
stormwater
budget
before
the
end
of
the
year
right
amy,
but
I
mean
there's
no,
there's
no
magic
to
a
mid-year
adjustment
in
a
budget
just
like
we
had
to
do
in
2020,
but
but
I
think
I
think
it's
responsible
for
us
to
run
down
those
other
issues.
First,
before
we
decide
to
have
have
another
change
in
that,
and
until
we
get
the
full
prioritization
of
projects
done,
councilmember.
B
D
D
What
this
the
mayor
just
said
when
somebody
cuts
their
water
off,
for
example,
I'm
I'm
gonna
be
out
of
town
for
the
next
eight
eight
months
I
cut
my
water
off
the
storm
water
feed
I
can
get
collected
or
when
somebody
gets
behind
in
their
storm
water
fee
and
they
get
their
service
cut
off.
Cws
is
to
cut
it
back
on.
Obviously,
they
have
to
pay
the
water
bill,
but
they
don't
enforce
collection
of
stormwater
fees.
D
So
there
are
a
number
of
avenues
out
there
I
mean,
if
you
want
to
call
it,
found
money
that
if
we
just
sharpen
our
pencils,
we
can
collect
those
dollars
in
a
more
efficient
manner.
That
they've
suggested
to
us
is
some
more
information
to
come
forward.
For
example,
mr
mead
brought
up
one
and
the
mayor
brought
up
one
in
that.
D
Let's
just
say
I
have
a
one
water
meter
and
I've
got
a
duplex,
but
I
only
have
one
water
meter
right
now
we
only
get
a
stone
water
feed
for
for
one
one
unit
and
the
reality
is
it's
actually
two
units,
so
some
of
the
audit
issues
that
the
myth
alluded
to.
We
can
do
some
of
that
and
I
think
you're
going
to
find
that
revenue
is
going
to
actually
go
beyond
seven
figures.
D
Once
we
do
it's
not
going
to
be
hard
to
cross
cross
check
so
and
plus
there
are
actually
some
delinquent
accounts
out
there,
a
lot
of
delinquent
accounts.
We
go
we're
going
to
find
out
what
they
are
and
it's
just
like.
If
you
don't
pay
your
delinquent
taxes,
you
got
to
pay
your
delinquent
store
model
fee,
so
we
will
find
out
what
do
what?
What
that
amount
is
it's
going
to
be
relatively
short,
we're
going
to
find
that
out,
so
we're
being
a
pretty
big
ally
in
addition
to
some
other
things.