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City of Charleston Ad Hoc Budget Advisory Committee 11/10/2021
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So
I'll
go
ahead
and
call
us
to
order.
Thank
you,
council,
members,
appel
and
jackson
and
all
staff
for
being
with
us
here.
Ask
you
to
join
me
in
a
moment
of
reflection,
as
we
acknowledge
our
thankfulness
for
the
men
and
women
who
serve
our
country,
our
veterans
as
we
honor
them
tomorrow
on
veterans
day.
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Amen,
we're
thankful
for
all
their
sacrifice,
all
right,
so
we've
got.
I
think,
some
good
news
to
start
off
with
our
you'll
see
in
just
a
moment
our
collections
and
our
projections
for
accommodations
and
hospitality
taxes
and
fees
are
kind
of
getting
back
right
back
on
track.
So
I'm
gonna
turn
this
right
on
over
to
amy
and
she'll
bring
us
up
to
date.
Amy.
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And
so
so
I'll
remark
to
that
that
we
get
a
hospitality
report,
a
hotel,
occupancy
report
every
week
and
we
are
back
on
the
peninsula
and
almost
west
ashley.
The
pre-covet
occupancy
rates.
But
what's
really
fascinating,
is
that
the
average
daily
rate
that
they
charge
for
the
room,
particularly
on
the
peninsula,
is
about
20
percent
higher
than
it
was
before
covet
and
our
our
taxes
are
a
direct
percentage
right
of
the
dollars
co
collected.
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So
even
though
the
the
number
of
nights
sold
is
is
is
just
marginally
ahead
of
two
years
ago.
The
the
dollars
are.
You
know
at
this
point
not
counting
the
early
months
of
the
year
where,
where
we
were
off,
but
if
you
compare
month
to
month
from
two
years
ago,
we're
we're
we're
doing
better
than
we
were
two
years
ago
on
accommodations.
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So
moving
on
to
state
accommodations
tax,
what's
included
in
the
budget,
is,
are
the
things
that
were
required
by
state
law
to
do
contributions
to
the
cbb
transfer
to
the
general
fund.
We
have
existing
agreements
and
debt
service
that
we
usually
pay
with
state
accommodations
tax,
including
our
office
of
cultural
affairs,
the
festivals
that
we
have
spoleto
moja
the
christmas.
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The
new
year's
celebrations,
all
of
those
things
that
we
used
to
have
them
fill
out
applications
for
that
we
thought
was
kind
of
silly.
We
should
just
you
know,
allocate
those
funds
to
them,
so
they
were
doing
that.
The
dash
that
shuttle
is
free.
We
used
to
have
an
agreement
between
us,
the
force
authority
and
the
cbb
cbb
is
no
longer
making
that
contribution.
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So
you'll
see
that
that
cost
has
gone
up
for
the
city
in
this
budget
as
well,
and
then,
based
on
our
projections
that
we
have,
we
could
do
trip
fund
some
great
applications.
If
we
choose
to
do
so
so
that
budget
looks
like
this,
21
approved
are
projected,
and
then
the
2022
proposed
budget
and
you'll
see
just
those
debt
payments
and
all
the
agreements
that
we
usually
do
our
city
of
charleston
cultural
festivals
fund
and
then
the
dash.
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That's
right
and-
and
they
encourage
us
to
grant
those
funds
out
because
it
helps
those
organizations
put
more
heads
and
beds
in
our
city,
so
the
state
that
that's
kind
of
what
that
fund
is
for
as
well.
So
we
would
typically
give
two
million
dollars
to
any
statistic:
non-profits
for
that
purpose
to
help
encourage
more
tourists
to
our
city.
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So
let
me
just
get
this
way
amy,
how
much
of
the
arpa
money
did
we
designate
for
arts-related
organizations
and-
and
so
my
follow-up
already
would
be,
could
we
put
that
arpa
money
back
so
to
speak
in
the
arpa
pot,
where
it's
a
little
more
flexible
and
use
this
1.9
for
for
that
allocation?
Does
that
make
sense.
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It
does
so
we
have
allocated
800
000
of
our
funding
for
grants
and
a
lot
of
the
nonprofits
that
have
that
would
typically
apply
for
a
tax
money
have
applied
for
arpa
funding,
so
we
could
almost
take
those
out
of
the
pot
of
arpa
and
not
award
them
with
that
800
000
that
we've
allocated
and
give
them
a
tax
money
instead,
and
then
that
would
free
up
some
additional
fun.
You
know
more
money
for
other
organizations
that
aren't
tourist
related.
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Well,
since
since
we
were
using
so
much
arpa
as
we'll
cover
later
in
the
meeting
today,
I
I
think
that
might
be
a
good
good
thing
to
do
recapture
some
of
that
money,
and
you
know
I
hear
you
that
this
is
the
normal
amount,
but
here
we
are
in
mid
november
already
and
we've
got
a
similar
amount
for
21
and
22.
So
it's
gonna
seem
like
a
healthy
slug
of
money.
By
the
time
we
get
this
money
out
next
year.
Don't
you
think.
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Yeah,
I
was
just
hoping
that
we
could
get
like
a
shortlist
or
the
you
know,
the
the
most
logical
or
the
most
frequently
granted
to
organizations
so
that
so
that
we're
all
familiar
with
that
by
the
time
you
make
the
recommendations
on
who
should
get.
What
is
that?
It's?
It's
sort
of
a
closed
list
right,
they're
they're,
not
eligible.
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Anybody
can
apply
for
it,
so
we
would
actually
get
the
application
process
out
and
let
people
apply
for
the
funds
and
it
would
go
through
the
same
process
that
it
does
every
year.
So
you
have
a
committee
that
will
look
at
the
applications
and
and
they
will
allocate
the
funds
out.
Then
it
comes
to
the
mayor
for
his
for
his
review
and
approval,
and
then
it
comes
to
council
and
it
goes
through
the
a
tax
committee
as
well
that
external
committee,
as
well.
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As
for
property,
tax
relief,
so
councilmember
shade,
this
is
where
that
that
comes
into
transferring
into
the
general
fund
for
some
of
our
operational
expenses
that
we
were
just
talking
about,
and
so
this
would
be
the
draft
budget
for
2022..
The
first
column
is
the
50
for
capital
improvements.
The
other
is
for
property,
tax
relief.
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Yeah,
what
I
was
thinking
was:
do
we
have
more
than
20
officers
and
in
the
entertainment
district?
Now,
since
we
had
to
beef
up,
you
know
enforcement
down
there
yeah.
I
remember
in
15
when
all
of
this
mr
mill
was
coming
out
of
general
funds
and
we
needed
to
increase
taxes
and
I'll
never
forget
bill.
Moody
was
the
one
that
brought
up
the
issue.
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So
there
are
two
outstanding
issues
with
hospitality:
you'll
see
them
highlighted
when
I
show
you
the
budget
or
when,
if
you
looked
at
it
last
night,
one
is
for
debt
service
for
the
low
battery
seawall
project.
We
had
talked
about
doing
a
revenue
bond
to
finish
up
that
project,
so
we
have
the
number
in
there
for
debt
service,
but
we
had.
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I
know
that
there's
been
a
request
from
the
state
to
contribute
to
that
funding,
but
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
just
leave
the
debt
service
payment
in
there,
because
it's
so
uncertain
whether
we'll
receive
that
funding
from
the
state
or
not.
So
that
number
will
stay.
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
to
everyone
and
then
the
second
item
is
the
joseph
riley
ballpark
upgrades.
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The
mlb
has
issued
a
mandate
that
certain
upgrades
are
made
to
the
stadium
and
we'll
need
to
do
some
renovations
in
order
to
accommodate
that
mandate.
Majority
of
it
is
for
to
improve
the
quality
of
life
for
players
and
umpires,
etc.
It's
kind
of
modernizing
some
of
the
aspects
of
the
locker
rooms
and
things
like
that:
ensuring
the
security
of
the
facility,
sufficient
locker
space
storage,
space
separating
female
facilities
out
as
well
for
for
umpires
and
other
other,
whatever
baseball,
I'm
not
good
with
baseball.
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We
do
have
unrestricted
fund
balance
that
we
can
utilize,
but
we
cannot
use
100
of
hospitality
funds
to
do
the
renovations,
so
general
fund
would
have
to
pick
up
some
of
it.
So
we're
still
working
on
that.
We're
gonna
leave
the
600
000
that
we
normally
would
leave
for
the
maintenance
of
the
ballpark
in
there
and
spring
later,
once
we
get
this
worked
out
with
the
river
dogs,
a
use
of
fund
balance
that
would
come
to
you
later
on.
Just
to
let
you
know
that.
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The
the
plan,
the
location
that
that
jason
came
up
with
is,
is
on
the
king
street
side
across
from
the
parking
lot,
almost
the
the
northern
end
of
the
fort
sumter
building
the
old
hotel
building,
but
kind
of
near
that
that
that
gravel,
big,
wide
walkway
that
comes
through
the
center
of
the
park.
You
know
king
street,
and
it
would
be
just
to
the
north
of
that
walkway.
I
think.
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But
the
way
they
work
is
when,
when
we
put
out
the
rfp
next
year,
if
there's
a
projection
that
we're,
if
the
estimate
is
that
we're
over
what
was
originally
budgeted,
we
have
to
be
able
to
show
that
we're
ready,
willing
and
able
to
to
pay
the
differential
and
so
we're
just
amy's,
being
very
conservative
and
kind
of
planning
ahead.
With
some
initial
estimates,
we've
we've
gotten
to
to
make
sure
we
can
check
that
box.
D
We
got
well,
I
I'll
be
honest
with
you.
The
thing
that
I
would
like
to
also
fund
is
the
first
phase
of
the
ashley
riverwalk
that
goes
from
brittlebank
park
under
the
bridges
and
connects
to
the
bridge.
That's
estimated
to
be
about
another
two
million
dollars,
and-
and
we
don't
have
that
funding
identified
yet
so,
if
we
end
up
over
on
the
allotment
to
the
bike
ped
bridge,
we
we
could
put
it
towards
the
ashley
riverwalk,
which,
which
would
tie
together
very
nicely.
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B
So
what
about
other
projects?
Maybe
I
need
a
circle
back
with
matt
on
that
you
know
we
had
some
of
the
projects
like,
for
example,
the
do
walk
district
we've
been
talking
about
that
now
about
coming
up
on
five
years,
the
charming
he
had
on.
That
was
something
like
2023
touches
on
at
least
four
districts
council
district
right.
C
So
councilman
worrying
that
would
be
the
drainage
fund
and
we're
planning
to
put
something
together
for
all
of
you
to
kind
of
go
through
all
those
projects
at
a
later
date
to
go
through
all
the
the
projects
that
we
have
in
whatever
allocation
what's
allocated
to
projects
and
what
we
can
allocate
more
to
in
the
future.
So.
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So
moving
on
so
general
fund
and
enterprise
fund
budget
remains
basically
the
same
as
we
discussed
last
week.
You
know
local
option
sales
tax
failed
last
night,
so
there's
really
no
revenue
option
there
for
that.
So
right
now
it's
like
I
said
it's
the
same
as
we
talked
about
last
week
only
includes
requests
that
can
be
funded
by
our
funds,
general
fund
reserves
or
hospitality
funds.
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So
I
think
that
number
was
a
little
bit
low
to
begin
with,
and
we
were
also
discussing
the
fact
that
we
have
such
a
nutrition
rate
right
now
that
having
another
leave
program
would
be
detrimental
to
our
departments
right
now,
with
the
fact
that
they
don't
have
people
as
it
is
right
now.
That's
what
I
thought
we
discussed,
but
we
can
talk
about
it
further.
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Okay,
so
enterprise
funds
projecting
a
6.1
million
surplus
from
that
from
those
funds
which
would
lead
us
to
our
2.2
million
deficit.
Overall,
I
think
we
discussed
last
week
and
again
I
just
want
to
reiterate
it-
does
not
include
restoration
of
2021
cuts
or
the
restoration
of
overtime
for
all
the
departments.
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So
so
I'm
just
going
to
say
to
I
mean
she's
got
the
note
here.
That
explains
it,
but
honestly
that
that
figure
on
the
on
the
page
here
of
2
million
2
is
is
really
an
understatement
of
of
what
we
should
be
funding
for
our
city
to
to
conduct
business
for
next
year.
You
know
we
we've
we've
shown.
We
need
some
of
that
overtime.
D
Other
things
were
cut
in
21.
That
many
of
the
departments
really
really
need,
and
this
doesn't
include
a
number
of
requests
that
you
know.
I
I
think
we
we
should
be,
including,
like
one
example,
was
an
annexation
coordinator.
We
wanted
to
add
to
the
planning
department
and
I
believe
over
time,
that
person
would
bring
money
in
and
I'm
not
sure
about,
the
enterprise
manager
for
the
recreation
department.
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On
this
thing,
the
mayor
pointed
out
about
one
time:
this
is
an
annual
disbursement
or
coloring,
but
some
of
these
things
are
annual
expenditures
like
this
is
a
small
potatoes.
Three
thousand
dollars
but
chairs
be
rein
refurbished.
That's
a
one-time
expense,
and
you
know
thirty
thousand
dollars
for
removing
boats.
That
name.
You
know
how
many
votes
are
out
there.
We
need
to
remove
it.
So
it's
I
hear
what
the
mayor
is
saying
about
that.
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But
some
of
this
is
maybe
just
a
one-time
expense
kind
of
a
deal
that
we
need
to
be
being
worried
about.
I'm
not
gonna
be
worried
about.
Frankly,
it's
not
a
no,
it's
not
a
big
ticket.
I
was
talking
about
267
thousand
dollars
for
all
of
these,
but
you
know
mayor.
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying
about
that,
but
some
of
those
just
may
come
and
go,
and
we
may
not
may
not
need
to
spend
all
this
money
for
continuing
expenses.
Well,
there's.
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There's
more
to
come,
I
mean,
if
I'm
sure,
everything
that
arpa
we're
trying
to
find
funding
just
to
cover
our
our
any
expense.
We
can,
and
I
think
the
total
is
over.
4
million,
isn't
it
amy
does
yeah,
and-
and
this
is
money
out
of
the
second
traunch-
that
we
don't
have
yet
that
we'll
be
getting
in
may.
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So
mandatory
life
safety
items-
these
are
all
the
things
that
we're
using
our
funds.
So
the
the
fire
department's
scba
replacement
for
using
the
grant
match
that
we're
required
to
have
we're
using
we're
allowed
to
use
our
funds
for
so
we're
using
that
and
that's
a
very
large
item
and
that's
something
they
desperately
need,
so
nothing
that
not
anything
that
we
could
cut
out.
But
we
were
fortunate
enough
to
be
able
to
utilize
this
funding
to
get
it
done.
I
won't
go
through
each
and
every
single
one
of
these.
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I
meant
to
make
that
bigger.
I'm
sorry,
so
this
is
also
the
high
priority
request.
These
are
things
that
we
felt
were
high
priority
that
we
should
we
should
fund
and
also
again,
all
one-time
things,
but
important
things
at
the
same
time,
a
lot
of
it
things
allow
us
to
keep
moving
with
our
adms
electronic
document
management
system
to
keep
that
project
moving
forward
and
some
studies
that
were
important
to
planning
as
well.
The
zoning
and
the
downtown
plan
garbage
cart,
audit
and
then
just
some
other.
A
B
C
A
A
D
Honestly,
we've
got
two-thirds
of
the
picture
already
done
and
all
these
other
plans
and
studies
that
we've
done
to
be
honest
with
you,
I
mean
it's
not
like
you
couldn't
say
we
hadn't
been
working
on
it,
but
it's
it's
it's
a
cumulative
thing.
There's
certain
parts
of
the
city
we
hadn't
really
drilled
down
on,
and
then
you
put
it
all
together
in
a
nice
big
bow
at
the
end
and
you
got
a
city-wide
water
plant.
E
D
That
that's
part
of
it
council,
member,
like
I
said,
there's
I'll,
give
you
an
example
like
the
doo-wop
area.
It's
already
been
studied.
We
know
where
every
drop
is
going
and
we
know
projects
that
we
need
to
work
on.
So
that
would
be
part
of
a
city-wide
water
plan,
but
we
haven't
done
maybe
three
neighborhoods.
Next
to
it.
You
follow
me
so
their.
A
E
A
We
know
just
based
upon
the
1984
study,
where
all
of
our
problems
are
in
terms
of
flooding,
storm
water,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
I
mean.
Are
we
going
to
do
something
similar
to
the
1984
plan,
we're
going
to
replicate
it
we're
going
to?
No?
No,
no,
I
mean
because
to
me
when
we
talk
about
an
overall
water
plan.
A
Okay
to
me,
that's
what
it
should
look
like,
because
that
1984
plan
told
us
every
single
place
where
there
was
a
problem
and
and
what
we
should
do
in
order
to
fix
it.
That's
a
water
plan
to
me,
while,
while
in
1984
the
city
has
expanded
considerably,
but
I
think
the
crux
of
a
water
plan
for
the
city
of
charleston
has
all
has
been
done
since
1984..
D
C
E
E
C
And
through
the
budget
process,
okay,
so
then
the
next
are
high.
Priority
requests
with
other
funding,
and
so
these
are
either
hospitality
or
our
general
fund
reserves.
The
first
one
is
hospitality
funds
and
then
the
other
is
general
fund
reserves,
because
we
have
our
financial
policy.
That
says
we
put
a
million
dollars
away
for
building
maintenance,
and
so
that
is
what's
covering
those
costs
right
there
for
the
renovations
to
those
those
buildings.
C
And
then
there
was
other
had
told
gianna.
She
had
covered
a
couple
of
positions
with
grants
because
they
were
mid-year
positions
that
we
did
not
have
funding
for
so
she
covered
those
with
grant
dollars.
So
we
told
her
in
22
we
would
switch
those
to
the
general
fund,
so
we
have
done
that
with
two
of
the
positions
and
then
we're
adding
an
additional
community
liaison
person
to
her
budget
for
2022
and
then
the
hope
center
director
social
worker
as
well
for
2022.
C
C
F
C
F
F
C
C
C
No,
so
the
all
of
this
would
be
general
fund,
the
positions
are
all
general
fund,
councilmember,
weary
and
then
the
high
priority,
those
other
funding,
the
securities
cameras
are
coming
from
hospitality
and
the
parks
all
the
renovations.
You
see
there,
the
two
fire
stations,
her
rehearsal
pool,
that's
all
general
fund
reserves,
because
we
had
put
away
a
million
dollars
for
building
maintenance
according
to
our
financial
policy
and
that's
the
funding
we're
using
for
those
projects.
C
C
C
C
B
C
F
C
F
F
C
We
haven't
replenished
anything
because
our
2021
year
isn't
over
yet
so
we
kind
of
need
to
see
where
we
end
up
in
2021
to
see
how
much,
if
any
of
that
5.9
will
need
to
utilize.
So
when
we
close
out
2021
councilman
shade,
that's
when
we'll
make
sure
that
all
of
that
is
trued
up.
If
that
makes
sense,.
F
Yeah
so
there's,
I
guess,
a
distinction
between
the
money
that
we
took
out
replenishing
that
money
plus
adding
another
20.
On
top
of
that,
if
we,
if
we
took
out
five
million
dollars,
the
question
is:
did
we
replace
that
five
million
dollars
and
then
add
back
into
the
fine,
our
additional
20
per
policy.
C
C
F
C
F
Yeah,
I
I
hear
I
understand
what
you're
saying
completely,
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
because
listen
to
your
credit,
amy
you,
you
kept
us
more
than
just
a
float.
You've
also
been
been
very
good
to
make
sure
we
hold
our
feet
to
the
fire
to
protect
that
reserve
fund,
and
I
guess,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
this
cumulative
balance
that
grows
every
year
by
how
much
money
we
chuck
into
that
fund,
and
it,
I
presume,
it's
a
healthy
fun.
F
F
C
D
C
Well,
that's
the
I'd
have
to
go
back
because
we
I'd
have
to
go
back
mayor
to
see
like
what
we
recommended
so
well.
I
can't
I
can't
tell
you
the
cuts.
I
can
tell
you
for
over
time
it's
1.7
million
dollars,
but
I'd
have
to
get
back
and
get
you
the
number
to
the
additional
cuts
that
we
made
that
people
asked
us
to
restore.
I
just
can't
remember
the
number
off
the
top.
D
B
Well
before
we
leave
this
one
of
the
things
you
said,
we
accept
accept
this
going
back
to
I
had
a
meeting,
and
I
need
to
speak
with
you
right
outside
the
confines
of
this
meeting.
Mr
mayor,
we
had
our
executive
committee
meeting
and
finance
committee
meeting
with
the
im
this
week.
I
mean
today
early
this
morning
and
obviously
they're
gonna
be
ramping
up
and
opening
up
some
late
fall
of
22.
B
B
Well,
I
think
that's
that
certainly
would
be
appropriate,
but
I
want
to
repeat
to
the
man
and
always
the
council
on
that,
because
it
was
pivotal
that
agreement
we
had
with
the
with
the
gear
yard,
doing
coving
and
doing
covert
and
anyway
I
know
we
got
a
tight
budget,
but
I
think
we
need
to
revisit
it
and
right
now
they
depended
on.
Let's
give
you
a
few
things:
42
32
of
the
budget
is
based
on
membership
program,
which
is
kind
of
like
a
hope
and
a
wing.
B
G
B
C
C
Increase
value
of
a
mill
is
one
point
seven,
so
two
mils
would
yield
three
point.
Four
three
meals
with
three
mills
would
yield
five
5.1.
Our
millage
bank
is
currently
3.4,
so
we
could
go
no
higher
than
three
mills.
Just
let
you
know
that
a
two
mil
increase
would
cover
the
2.2
million
dollar
deficit
and
some
of
the
costs
restore
over
time
to
the
departments.
So
we
would
still
need
to
utilize
some
general
fund
reserves
in
order
to
make
up
the
difference
around
probably
five
hundred
thousand
dollars.
C
So
I
just
want
to
talk
about
local
options.
Sales
tax
a
little
bit
so
keep
in
mind
that
the
credit
provided
by
local
option
sales
tax,
the
impact
of
millage
increases
on
taxpayers
decreases
over
time,
it's
of
course
dependent
on
the
economy
and,
of
course,
if
we
have
some
type
of
weather
event,
because
it's
driven
by
consumer
spending.
C
Obviously,
so
I
have
a
slide
that
kind
of
shows
what
our
net
millage
has
been
for
since
2009
to
kind
of
show
how
how
local
option
sales
tax
affects
net
millage
and
what
our
tax,
what
our
citizens
actually
pay
in
taxes,
you'll
see
in
reassessment
years
that
the
the
net
millage
decreases,
but
you'll
also
see
in
other
years
after
we've
had
millage
increases
how
it
how
it
decreases
over
time
too,
because
of
the
power
of
the
local
option.
Sales
tax
credit.
C
So
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
bring
that
to
everybody's
attention
and
also
noting
that
that's
giving
back
100
percent
of
local
options
sales
tax.
If
we
were
to
adjust
that
in
any
way,
shape
or
form,
then
the
impact
that
our
taxpayers
would
see
would
be.
It
would
take
a
little
bit
longer
for
them
to
see
that
savings
if
that
makes
sense.
C
C
E
C
If
we
did,
if
you
were
to
reduce
any
amount
of
the
local
option,
sales
tax
credit
that
we
give
back
to
our
citizens,
they're
not
going
to
see
that
much
of
a
savings,
so
this
is
looking
at
100,
giving
it
back
to
them
like
we
do
right
now.
If
we
were
to
reduce
that,
then
the
impact
of
their
savings
would
take
a
little
bit
longer
over
time.
B
Going
back
in
the
time
tax
property
taxes
in
the
san
andreas,
public
service
district
used
to
be
far
less
than
the
city
and
that's
when
they
were
in
the
water
and
sewer
business.
When
those
local
options
sales
tax
came
into
being,
and
the
city
gave
the
amount
back
to
the
taxpayers,
it
is
the
net
millage
that
the
taxpayer
feels
not
the
gross
milling
that
the
taxpayer
field.
B
I
I'm
in
favor
of
a
millage
increase
that
money
going
back
to
reduce
the
tax
bill
normally
when
we
have
done
in
the
past
and
I'm
sure
amy
can
go
through
this
when
we
have
had
millages
increase
it
usually
takes
about
a
year
and
a
half
or
so
max
two
years
for
the
local
option.
Sales
tax,
basically
to
refund
that
back
to
the
taxpayers,
so
the
net
difference
is
is
lower
than
north
charleston.
My
pleasure.
In
most
cases
it
smoothes
the
increase
out
every
and
I'm
glad
we
on
youtube.
B
Every
citizen.
That's
in
the
psd
right
now
pays
higher
property
taxes
than
the
city
of
charleston
resident.
Because
of
this
local
option
sales
tax-
they
just
don't
know
it-
the
psd
doesn't
get
lost
revenue,
they
don't
get
local
option
sales
tax
revenue,
so
they
can't
offset
the
property
taxes
and
they
deliver
less
services.
B
When
the
psd
used
to
have
lower
taxes,
they
were
in
the
water
bill.
They
were
in
the
sewer
business
they're
no
longer
in
the
sewage
business
they
couldn't
afford
to
stay,
they
closed
their
plants
and
cpw
took
them
over.
It
is
because
of
this
net
piece
that
if
we
continue
to
give
the
lost
revenue
back,
listen
I'm
in
favor
of
a
millage
increase.
I.
B
Problem
telling
people
that
I
raised
the
mills
because
we
need
to
pay
our
staff,
we
need
to
pay
off
our
people.
We
need
to
pay
the
man
driving
that
trash
truck
to
come
and
pick
up
your
trash.
We
need
to
pay
our
policemen
if
somebody
wants
to
run
against
me
because
they
said
I
raised
taxes
to
do
that.
B
I'll
stand
my
ground
on
it,
but
the
lost
revenue
part
where
we
give
back,
and
we
can
boldly
say
that
our
net
millage
rate
is
the
loss
of
a
city
of
any
size
in
the
state
of
south
carolina
of
our
size.
Obviously
we're
the
largest
that's
a
good
statement
to
say
most
people
in
the
psd,
don't
even
realize
it
right
now
for
less
services.
B
F
Well,
councilman
wearing.
I
think
we
should
take
what
you
just
said
and
put
it
on
the
billboard
and
have
a
plane
fly
overhead
around
nxa,
because
you
you
you're,
hitting
the
point
right
right
on
the
head
is
that
you
know
these
unannexed
areas.
They
don't
understand
how
this
taxing
process
works,
and
I'm
glad
you
just
reiterated
that.
Let
me
go
back
one
more
slide
for
me.
C
F
F
D
C
So
for
charleston
county
four
percent
property,
a
two
mil
increase
would
be
forty
dollars
and
a
three
mil
increase
would
be
sixty
dollars
in
charleston
county
same
with
berkeley
county,
because
it's
20
a
mill,
basically
okay
and
then
six
percent
property.
It's
60
or
90,
depending
on
the
mills
same
with.
Obviously,.
C
we
had
one
in
2016
and
then
we
had
one
in
2019.
now
the
2013
was
specifically
for
the
ssrt
team
right
and
also
we
bought.
I
think
there
was
a
fire
engine
that
we
bought
with
those
funds,
so
those
were
specific
to
those
costs
and
then
in
2019
it
was
one
and
a
half
mills
for
general
fund
in
one
and
a
half
for
public
safety,
and
this
was
drainage.
2016
was
when
we
increased
drainage
from
two
to
four
mills.
B
B
C
B
F
G
C
G
And
I
mean
the
fact
of
the
matter
is:
is
two
mil
increase
three
mil
increase
when
you're
talking
about
four
percent
primary
residence?
It
it's!
It
is
a!
It
is
a
non-issue
that
people
would
not
even
unders
they
would
not
even
notice
it
unless
people
were
demagoguing.
This
issue
politically
to
try
to
score
points
on
the
four
percent
issue.
G
G
However-
and
it's
designed
to
be
opaque
frankly,
if,
if
there's
a
way
that
we
can
message,
the
two
to
three
mill
increase
with
police
fire,
public
works
and
j
on
it,
a
page,
not
not
a
slideshow,
a
page,
if
we
can
find
a
way
to
message
the
fact
that
we're
doing
that
millage
increase,
so
we
can,
you
know,
support
our
law
enforcement.
We
can
support
our
fire.
G
We
can
support
our
public
works,
not
to
take
anything
away
from
anybody
else,
but
that's
the
bulk
of
our
you
know
employees,
as
we
all
know,
I'm
with
I'm
with
councilman
waring
and
anybody
else
that
would
stand
behind
this.
It's
the
right
thing
to
do
our
property
taxes
in
this
city
are
so
low,
they're
criminally
low
for
four
percent.
No
offense
I
mean
I'm
just
I'm
it.
It
is
a.
It
is
a
net.
You
know
loss
when
it
comes
to
services
and
things
like
that
on
four
percent.
G
I
I
think
we
can
sell
it.
I
really
do
and
it's
not
sell
it's
not
about
selling
it.
It's
it's
it's
the
right
thing
to
do,
but,
but
it
needs
to
be
messaged.
Appropriate
is
very
complicated
stuff
to
convey
because
there's
people
on
our
council
that
are
just
going
to
scream
tax
increase
as
loud
as
they
can
and
they're
going
to
try
to
scare
people
like
they
did
last
year,
and
it's
just
not
the
right
way
to
do
it.
And
I
think
we
need
to
just
be
very
cognizant
of
that.
As
we
move
forward.
B
Just
to
piggyback
on
what
you
said,
there'll
be
people
on
our
council
that'll
scream,
but
those
people
still
want
to
pay
our
policemen.
They
want
to
pay
our
firemen.
They
want
to
pay.
Our
public
works
you're
not
going
to
scream
that
I'm
not
going
to
vote
for
this
because
I
do
not
want
to
pay
firemen.
I
do
not
so
your
messaging
you're
spot
on
when
you're
saying
that.
C
A
B
A
D
A
B
B
They
just
need
to
pay
us
with
the
the
value
of
1.96
million
more
20
years
ago
today.
That
would
take
up
another
million
in
revenue
and
you
wouldn't
even
have
to
go
to
the
800
000
or
so
that
jamie's
and
that
amy's
talking
about
right
here.
I
have
no
problem
for
the
three
million
piece
to
do
with
councilman
appels.
They
have
to
include
with
councilmember.
B
A
F
A
F
F
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
matter
of
perspective.
Just
it
really
is
a
matter
of
perspective
not
and
no
one
likes
it.
Nobody
likes
to
hear
a
property
tax
increase.
They
just
don't
like
to
hear
that.
But
you've
you've
got
to
keep
these
things
in
perspective,
and
I
think
that
slide
of
actual
millage
net
village
really
tells
a
good
tale
of
what
would
what
we're
doing
here
and
how
this
impacts
you.
D
Okay,
I'm
just
going
to
say
this
one
time
because
I
had
my
say
last
night,
I
know
and
nobody's
nobody
knows
about
net
millage
and
will
ever
take
the
time
to
figure
all
this
out
as
go
back
to
that
slide.
You
just
had
with
the
40
in
the
60
60,
with
three
mil
increase.
Remember
my
tax
bill.
I
showed
you
last
night.
D
D
B
D
F
Know
I
mean
you
and,
and
so,
if
you
get
into
the,
if
you
get
into
these
high
dollar
buildings,
it's
just
a
kick
in
the
it
really
is
unbelievable,
it's
unbelievable
and
for
the
average
homeowner
it's.
It
goes
back
to
my
original
point
about
what
forty
dollars
may
mean
to
the
average
citizen,
but
to
the
commercial
person
to
the
business
person.
F
We
just
got
to
keep
in
mind
that
it
is
a
huge
kick
and
that's
here.
We
are
we're
trying
to
protect
and
we,
as
we
talked
about
last
night,
our
king
street
partners,
and
how
important
all
that
is-
and
you
know,
councilmember
pal's
family
was
in
the
retail
business.
My
family
was
in
the
retail
business.
F
This
is
the
kind
of
stuff
that
really
starts
eating
into
your
eating
into
your
overall
expenses.
When
you
start
dealing
with
this
sort
of
stuff,
it's
not
huge,
but
it
does
make
a
difference,
and
you
know
we're
trying
to
maintain
momentum
with
those
guys.
So
I'm
saying
that
as
a
rambling
thinking
out
out
loud
right
now,
we
don't
have
to
make
any
votes
on
this.
Obviously,.
F
F
F
C
A
C
E
E
However,
their
their
lease
agreements
are
set
up,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
people
who
are
owning
commercial
property
as
well
as
residential,
but
we're
talking
about
commercial
right
now.
Their
values
have,
you
know,
doubled
in
recent
years.
So
it's
a
long
game
that
commercial
property
owners
pay
play,
and
I
and
I
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
take
that
into
consideration.
G
You
know
your
assessments
are
capped
on
the
15
rule,
so
you're
not
even
being
taxed
you're,
not
even
starting
with
the
real
value
of
the
property.
It's
this
understated
amount.
That's
part
of
the
fact
388
issue
and
look
it's
unfortunate
that
we
have
a
four
percent
six
percent
divide
in
this
state,
but
that's
a
product
again
of
the
general
assembly
and
it's
frankly,
a
very
anti-business
anti-conservative.
G
You
know
framework
and
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot.
That's
been
written
from
very
conservative
groups
and
pro-business
groups
about
how
the
state's
tax
infrastructure
is
just
completely
upside
down
and
it
doesn't
incentivize
the
right
kind
of
things.
That's
why
anytime,
a
business
of
any
kind
of
magnitude
comes
to
the
you
know
comes
in,
they
got
to
do
these
fee
and
lieu
deals,
and
you
know
wheeling
and
dealing
with
the
counties.
G
That's
a
whole
other
issue,
so
it's
unfortunate
that
businesses
are
disproportionately
impacted
by
some
of
this
stuff,
but
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
and
I-
and
I
appreciate
amy,
running
down
some
of
those
specifics,
so
we
can
look
and
talk
about
tangible,
real
life.
Examples
because
I
think
that's
the
best
way
to
communicate
these
issues
at
the
end
of
the
day.
I
still
think
we're.
G
My
my
suspicion
is
that
the
property
tax
environment
in
the
city
is
still
very
favorable
for
business.
You
know,
downtown
columbia
has
had
some
real
struggles
with
property
taxes
and
they've.
Had
you
know,
there's
been
a
lot,
that's
been
studied
and
looked
at
over
there.
That
can
draw
a
very
direct
line
between
their
property
tax
environment
and
some
struggles.
They've
had
in
their
downtown
area,
I
don't
get
the
sense
anecdotally
that
anybody's
tapping
out
downtown
due
to
property
taxes
now
there's
some
other
challenges
about.
G
You
know
out
there,
but
I
don't
think
anybody
it's
not
at
that
level.
Yet,
where
we're
starting
to
really
run
and
run
too
hot,
we
can
run
too
hot
for
sure
I
don't
think
we're
there
and
it
would
be
helpful
as
we
continue
to
move
through
this
process
that
we
sort
of
suss
that
out
a
little
bit
more
because
it's
it's
a
communications
issue
on
this
and
I
think,
we're
doing
a
good
job
of
telling
the
story.
G
G
Absolutely
this
is
complicated
stuff
and
I
think
that
if
we
give
real
life
case
examples
both
at
the
four
percent
and
the
six
percent
rate,
we
talk
about
what
the
money
is
being
used
for.
Ie
police
fire
public
works
in
the
comments
you
made
councilman
gregory
about
you
know
paying
our
other
workers.
C
C
So
it's
in
the
in
the
newspaper
on
that
sunday,
before
the
23rd,
so
council
workshops
on
tuesday
november
16th
and
that's
when
we
want
to
present
the
draft
budget
to
them,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
consensus
with
the
budget
before
we
send
it
to
the
paper
for
advertising
because
we
get
in
this
pickle
every
single
year.
So
I'm
trying
to
avoid
that.