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City of Charleston Ad Hoc Budget Advisory Committee 10/21/22
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A
A
Me,
okay
can
I!
You
want
me
to
go
back
over
the
agenda
accomplishade.
Are
we
good
so
revenues
I
said
I.
Do
all
that,
but
I
hope
you
got.
It
inventory
an
inventory
of
our
revenues
or
our
fees
that
we're
currently
collecting.
Did
you
did
you
all
get
that
because
my
staff,
for
some
reason
can
get
it
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you
all
got
it.
I
got
it:
okay,
okay,
so
numbers
are
hard
to.
A
I
know
I
understand,
so
it
just
kind
of
showed
you
all
the
fees
were
currently
collecting
and
then,
when
they
were
last
updated,
so
I'll
just
go
through
that
and
I
can
switch
off
of
this
and
don't
and
we
can
go
through
that
list.
If
you
want
to
or
or
not
it's
up
to
you
but
basically
Recreation
feeds
the
last
time
they
really
updated
was
2018.
There
was
a
cup
or
2008
I'm,
sorry
a
couple
that
were
done
in
17
and
18.
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B
A
B
The
reason
I
bring
it
out
to
you,
because
last
Saturday
was
the
Avondale
run
right,
which
is
a
a
small
event.
I
think.
Maybe
500
participants
and
I
met
with
the
race
sponsors,
and
they
were
talking
to
me
about
the
expense
of
road
closures,
and
we
were
what
we
were
charging
I
think
they
may
have
been
confused
with
what
the
county
was.
B
D
A
So
whatever,
when
they
get
in
here
and
get
started,
I'm
sure
they'll
be
looking
at
that
sponsorships
and
how
we
can
do.
You
know
collect
more
through
that
and
and
but
so
typically,
if
we
raise
fees
in
the
next
year,
we're
super.
If
we
do
it
in
a
budget
year,
then
we're
conservative
with
that
to
see
how
they
how
they
come
in
and
then
we'll
budget
more
more
for
them
in
the
following
year.
We
just
want.
We
always
want
to
make
sure
to
see
how
they
work.
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A
A
TNT.
They
were
just
adjusted
in
21
with
new
fees
created.
That
was
the
right-of-way
obstructions
this
one
fee.
The
certificate
of
public
conveyance
has
not
been
updated
since
2015.
So
that's
also
one
that
we
can
look
at
planning
preservation.
They
they
were
all
updated
in
22,
Fire,
Marshal's
Office.
Those
were
updated
in
2020
stormwater
permits
and
fees
that
are
not
the
storm
water
utility
fee.
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A
D
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A
D
That
makes
it
so
super
fine
distinction
here,
but
it's
one
of
the
different
of
significance.
I
promise
is
that
for
a
very
long
time
in
South
Carolina,
these
fees
had
to
be
set
so
that
the
amount
of
the
fee
was
calibrated
precisely
to
the
cost.
The
government
board
in
providing
that
service
to
that
payor,
and
that's
how
we've
structured
our
bees
for
years.
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I
know
how
much
time
and
energy
are
stacked
in
our
entire
city,
puts
into
reviewing
a
site
plan
of
a
complicated
nature
and
I'm
willing
to
bet
Peter
a
drink
in
a
parking
lot
tomorrow
afternoon
in
Columbia
that
it's
more
than
710
and
when
we
talk
about
making
sure
we've
got
enough
Revenue
to
fund
these
various
departments,
and
we
look
at
the
new
state
laws
that
have
changed.
I
just
want
to
be
clear:
we're
availing
ourselves
of
all
the
opportunities
we
have
to
make
these
fees
commensurate
with
the
actual
cost.
A
Currency
so
they're,
not
new
fees,
they're
current
fees
and
we
haven't
looked
at
to
make
sure
that
their
commence,
that
their
commensurate
with
what
it
takes
for
us
to
provide
the
service.
I
guess
is
what
I'm
saying
so
that's
what
we
need
to
do
and
then
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
it
on
more
consistent
basis
to
keep
up
with
our
colas
and
all
of
that.
At
the
same
time,
it.
D
Does
it
does
and
I
think
I
think
this
is
the
right
conversation
to
be
having,
and
this
is
a
real
opportunity
for
the
city
to
function
more
like
a
business
and
make
sure
that
our
costs
are
or
our
you
know,
fees
rather
are
are
set
in
a
manner
to
also
costs
more
ballistically.
So
thank
you
for
everything
sure.
B
A
So
if
you
see
above
that,
Council
membership,
the
livability
and
the
tourism
fees,
that's
kind
of
where
we're
we
we're
not
exactly
sure
when
they've
last
been
updated,
so
we're
working
with
them
on
that.
So
you,
you
are
right
in
some
in
some,
some
fees
are
set
by
us,
but
I
was
just
talking
specifically
about
the
court
user
fees
and
things
like
that
that
we
don't
have
control
over
right.
B
A
A
Just
remember
preliminary
right
and
our
assumptions
into
that
Charleston
County
projected
growth
rates
for
vehicles.
It
was
about
one
percent,
three
percent
for
all
the
real
property
which
is
about
where
we
kind
of
keep
it
every
year.
Projecting
tax
credit
factor
is
.0092
and
2022.
We
set
that
at
.0094
amount
of
loss
credited
would
be
28.3
million
dollars
for
Berkeley
County,
five
percent
for
vehicles
and
six
percent
for
all
other
property
and
the
tax
credit
factors.
You
can
see
point
zero,
zero,
five,
zero.
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C
C
A
A
C
A
A
A
Franchise
fees-
you
know
these
kind
of
all
flat.
We
we
budgeted
11.1.
We
actually
saw
for
2022
that
that
we're
estimating
that
to
be
a
little
higher
at
11.8,
which
is
surprising
because
of
the
prior
years
we've
kind
of
Fallen
flat
on
those,
if
not
decline,
so
we're
projecting
2023
11.8
for
electric
and
gas
and
1.5
for
cable.
Now
for
cable,
we're
noticing
a
decline
in
those
every
year.
So
we
that's
why
we
budgeted
a
little
bit
less
than
2020
frames
in
2022.
C
A
Okay,
building
permits,
2022,
we
budgeted
3
million
for
permits
and
two
for
a
plan
review
we're
seeing
that
we're
not
collecting
what
we
budgeted
for
that
we're
seeing
a
decline
in
in
building
permits
and
plan
review,
so
we're
projecting
about
22
under
budget
and
16
under
budget
and
22
of
them
for
for
billing,
for
instance,
plan
review.
So
we
back
that
down
a
little
bit
for
our
2023
projection,
so
we're
we're
projecting
2.4
and
1.6
in
plain
review
and
I'll
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
later
too.
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A
A
So
this
is
the
fun
graph
I
have
for
all
of
you,
which
kind
of
shows
where
we
were
at
our
Peak
before
the
recession
and
then
where
we
hit
our
lowest
point
and
then
how
long
it
took
us
to
come
back.
So
the
blue
dots
equal,
the
pre,
pre-recession
Revenue
Peaks
right
here
at
the
bottom
and
then
the
red
horizontal
bars
represent
the
lowest
level
of
Revenue
that
we
collected
during
the
recession
and
then
the
purple
dots
indicate
the
return
to
pre-recession
levels.
A
A
A
And
then
construction
related
fees
started
to
drop
the
earliest
and
took
the
longest
to
rebound.
So
you
see
all
of
these
right
here
how
long
where
we
saw
a
decline
so
council,
member
Powell,
that's
where
I'm
saying
it's!
It
could
be
an
indication
right
now,
because
that's
kind
of
how
it
happened
back
in
the
last
recession,
where
we
saw
them
starting
to
slow
and
it
took
a
very
long
time
for
them
to
heat,
to
reach
their
lowest
point
and
then
took
the
longest
to
come
back
the
same
at
the
same
time.
A
A
A
So
expenditures
this
is
base
budget.
It
doesn't
include
any
of
the
additional
requests
from
the
Departments.
They
all
came
and
talked
to
you
about
what
the
requests
were.
It
doesn't
include
any
of
that.
It's
just
fact
of
life,
life,
safety
off
life,
safety
items
and
contract
prices,
contract
price
increases
as
well,
so
the
current
draft
budget
includes
from
20
220
million
dollars
in
expenditures
and
transfers
out
for
the
general
fund
in
about
32
for
the
Enterprise
funds,
for
a
total
of
two
252,
almost
253
million.
A
It
also
does
not
include
additional
requests
include
that
we
consider
to
be
life
safety
that
we
would
put
in
the
budget
and
then
just
as
a
reminder,
we
we
received
about
23
million
dollars
in
additional
requests
from
the
Department,
so
this
is
not
included
in
any
of
them.
So
right
now
just
base
like
I
said
it's
about
almost
253
million.
It's
about
a
900
000
decrease
from
2022.
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A
D
B
A
A
C
A
Ready
to
move
on,
oh
so
my
screen
likes
to
go
black
on
me.
Occasionally
there
we
go
sorry
so
now,
I
just
want
to
talk
about
tourism
revenues.
State
accommodations,
we're
protecting
about
12
million
dollars
to
transfer
into
the
general
fund
is
623
750,
and
that's
that
five
percent
dictated
by
law.
Just
so
you
know
that
it
loses
its
character
as
soon
as
that
happens.
So
it's
not
restricted
to
tourism
expenditures.
It
goes
straight
into
the
general
fund
for
whatever
we
need
to
use
it
for
municipal
Accommodations
Tax.
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A
B
A
So
Hospitality,
this
is
what
I
wanted
to
talk
to
everybody
about.
We
would
like
to
change
the
way
that
we
determine
the
amount
we
transfer
into
the
general
fund
from
the
hospitality
feed
fund.
We
typically
try
to
estimate
the
amount
of
costs
from
specific
departments
on
on
specific
expenses
that
that
we
know
that
they
cover
that
basically
is
mostly
tourism.
A
We
have
established
payroll
codes
for
events
and
things
like
that.
We
try
to
capture
it,
but
our
system
isn't
the
easiest
and
best
to
do
that
and
I
just
feel
like
we're,
probably
missing
a
lot
of
expenses
that
we're
covering
out
of
the
general
fund
that
really
directly
relate
with
tourism.
So
and
we
are
in
the
process
of
carrying
a
new
Erp
system,
which
would
probably
make
this
a
lot
easier.
A
But
until
that
happens,
I
just
I
feel
like
we're
kind
of
selling
ourselves
short
in
terms
of
how
much
we
can
transfer
into
the
general
fund
for
these
additional
costs.
So
we
kind
of
we
came
up
with
a
calculation
that
we
feel
is
reasonable
on
how
much
we
could
probably
transfer
into
the
general
fund.
A
If
you
look
at
the
number
of
average
daily
visitors,
the
city
invites
on
a
daily
basis,
it's
about
19
808,
additional
people
in
our
city
every
day,
which
is
a
significant
amount
of
people
that
we
host
and
we
provide
services
to
So.
Based
on
that
calculation,
we
would
be
able
to
transfer
about
12.65
percent
of
our
budgeted
eligible
general
fund
expenditures
to
help
cover
the
cost
of
Tourism.
C
A
So
our
general
fund
expenditures
based
budget
is
to
218
million,
like
12.65
of
that
amount
would
be
approximately
28
million
dollars.
We
looked
at
all
of
our
departments
and
we
calculated
12.65
of
specific
expenditures
that
would
qualify
an
estimated
a
cost
of
approximately
23
million
dollars
that
could
be
covered
by
Hospitality
fees,
because
not
every
single
Department.
Like
my
department,
you
know
you
would
there's
really
nothing
that
I
would
do
that
would
be
eligible
for
tourism,
so
we
excluded,
like
my
department.
A
We
looked
at
and
I
can
show
you
what
we
did
if
you,
if
you
want
to
look
at
it,
so
you
can
see
how
we
calculated
that
23
million
dollars-
just
let
me
know,
I-
have
it
on
another
slot
or
another
I
can
get
out
of
this
and
go
to
it.
But
our
projected
Hospitality
fee
revenues
for
2023
are
23.5
million,
so
we
always
have
previous
commit
commitments
that
utilize
Hospitality
fees.
A
E
If
we
transfer
that
increased
amount
and
I'm
following
you
on
this
is
very
good
work.
So
if
we
put
this
in
the
general
fund-
and
it
previously
did
not
go
into
General
from
where
we
would
be
taking
it
from
you
know,
it
was
being
funded
tourism
dollars.
Now
that
this
Pro
rata
portion
goes
into
the
general
fund.
A
So
we're
not
that's
it
we're
not
cutting
anything
possible
to
wearing.
We
would
still
cover
all
of
those
those
annual
contributions.
All
of
that
and
whatever
projects
we
have
that's
the
hospitality
fees
are
covering
those
all
still
go.
This
would
be
whatever
would
remaining
left
over
that
we
would
have.
We
have
11
million
dollars
that
we
could
still
transfer
into
the
general
fund
even
covering
all
of
those
other
expenses,
so
we're
not
cutting
anything
from
Hospitality.
C
But
I,
wouldn't
it
be
true
to
say
that
you
know
from
time
to
time
we
come
along
with
things
like
the
Emanuel
Memorial
or
some
other
new
project
that
we've
been
funding
and
we're
kind
of
limiting
the
potential
for
for
those
kind
of
things,
because,
importantly,
we're
we're
moving
more
dollars
to
the
general
fund
where
we
need.
It
is.
A
D
A
The
amount
that's
available
for
us
to
do
that
this
year
it
meets
I,
feel
it
meets
what
we
are
spending
in
the
general
fund,
but
we
would
need
to
probably
come
up
with
a
financial
policy
regarding
this
that
everybody
would
agree
to.
That
basically
said
you
know
we
could
transfer
up
to,
however
much
after
taking
into
consideration
the
annual
contributions,
whatever
capital
projects.
That
fund
needs
to
cover.
So
it's
not
set.
It's
not
we're
not
saying
every
year
that
this
is
what
we
would
do.
A
C
I
make
I
it
does
and
and
I
think
it
was
very
creative
of
y'all
to
to
look
at
this
a
little
differently
so
that
you
know
in
this
upcoming
year,
where
we
need
to
do
a
bigger
adjustment
for
employee
compensation.
You
know
that's
this
allows
us
to
put
some
dollars
over
in
the
general
fund
to
do
that.
So,
thanks
for
thinking
outside
of
the
box
on
this.
A
E
A
So
just
so
you
know
when
we
were
looking
at
the
hospitality
budget.
You
know
we
had
the
drainage
discussion
a
while
back
and
there
were
some
things
that
we
could
cover
that
had
shortfalls
we've
done
that
already
boom
and
cover
the
The
Market
Street
drainage
project,
The,
Market,
Street
streetscape.
That
was
underfunded.
All
of
those
items
we've
we've
taken
care
of
those
between
Municipal
Accommodations,
Tax
and
Hospitality
tax
and
state
Accommodations
Tax.
So
all
of
those
projects
are
covered
just
so.
You
know
that
all.
B
A
A
What
I'm
saying
is
that
I
don't
think
we're
covering
enough
of
our
cost
out
of
the
general
fund,
and
if
we
have
some
additional
Hospitality
fee,
my
funds
left
that
we
should.
We
should
be
able
to
cover
that
through
the
transfer.
So
it's
nothing
we're
not
going
outside
of
what
the
loss
says.
We
can
do.
A
The
thing
is:
is
that,
right
now
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
large
projects
going
on,
like
we
typically
have
had
in
the
past
that
have
absorbed
a
lot
of
our
Hospitality
fees,
so
we're
right
now
we
don't
have
that
so
much
so
we
do
have
some
additional
Hospitality
fee
money
that
we
can
transfer
into
the
general
fund,
because
I
do
believe
that
we
have
a
lot
more
general
fund
expenses
that
we're
covering
that
could
be
covered
by
Hospitality
fees.
I
got.
B
A
B
A
C
B
A
It
would
have
to
stay
in
the
hospitality,
be
fun
Reserve,
that's
where
it
would
be,
and
it
would
just
build
up
over
time.
That's
you
know.
So
we
have
a
policy
of
25
for
all
of
our
tourism
fees.
Like
we
have
our
general
fund.
We
have
the
20
policy
right.
We
have
25
for
tourism,
so
it
would,
it
would
sit
there
and
we'd
have
well
over
our
25
percent
until
we
found
something
to
spend
it
on.
B
B
E
Came
from
Hospitality
months,
okay,
and
when
we
got
enough
money,
we
actually
started
work
on
the
wall.
So
with
it
there
was
Surplus
dollars.
If
you
will
I
won't,
say
Surplus,
but
those
extra
dollars
that
were
in
Hospitality
fees
we
didn't
bring
into
the
general
fund,
we
kept
it.
In
that
case
it
was
a
future
project.
Now
it's
an
ongoing
project
but
Amy.
My
question:
you
I'm
sure
you
probably
already
accounted
for
this.
So
for
the
next
we're
on
what
phase
three?
E
E
E
That's
a
great
example.
Remember
thank
you.
Remember.
Every
year,
four,
five
six
million
put
a
low
battery
wall.
Now
that
we
got
that
Bond
funding
in
there
in
a
sense
I
guess
you
can
find
other
projects,
but
this
is
a
wonderful
win.
She's
right,
you
know
we
used
to
be
pulling
our
hair
out,
trying
to
figure
some
of
these
other
expenses,
how
to
get
them
out.
Other
expenses
for
the
city
that
Jewish
I
think
this
is
a
wonderful.
D
A
You
know
with
the
absence
of
very
large
projects
and
we're
just
at
a
position
now
where
you
know
we,
we
finished
a
lot
of
the
larger
projects.
I'm
not
saying
there
wouldn't
be
another
one
on
the
horizon,
but
for
right
now,
there's
we
don't
really
have
huge
projects
that
we're
funding
and
it's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
cover
our
expenses.
D
If
we,
if
we
didn't
put
this
six
million
and
the
general
fund
and
leave
it
for
hospitality,
we
would
still
be
using
our
general
fund
to
pay
for
things
that
Hospitality
fees
could
have
been
paying
for
am
I
correct,
based
upon
the
recalculating
of
the
little
recalculation
chart.
You
showed
us
a
little
earlier
to.
A
A
D
A
A
And
if
you
look
at
it
like
I
said
we
could,
we
could
cover
up
to
23
million,
based
on
what
we
looked
at
and
the
general
fund
expenditures
that
we
feel
are
eligible
expenses.
But
you
know
we're
only
thinking
looking
at
about
11.,
because
the
hospitality
fund
is
covering
other
other
things
that
are
important
to
the
city
as
well.
So
I.
C
So
that's
why
I
was
thanking
me
Amy
for
thinking
outside
the
box
and
taking
a
new
look
at
how
we're
classifying
and
calculating
what's
eligible
to
to
to
move
over,
so
to
speak
from
Hospitality
general
fund
and
just
that
reminder,
councilmember
Warren
about
the
the
bonding
for
the
low
battery
sea
wall.
Given
what's
happened
with
interest
rates
in
the
less
six
months?
Are
we
happy?
We
did
that
or
what
oh
thank
you
for
that.
E
In
February,
you
know
I'm
a
First
Citizens
Bank
board
this.
It
was
seven
and
a
quarter.
Last
week
from
three
percent
fixed
for
30
years,
the
seven
and
a
quarter
last
week,
I
think
it
bounced
a
tab
a
little
seven
percent
this
week,
but
man
somebody
who
can
afford
to
buy
in
January
can't
afford
to
buy
that
same
house
in
October.
That's.
C
E
Right,
listen!
Let
me
let
me
play
Devil's,
Advocate,
listen,
I,
think
this
is
great,
I
mean
if
I
can
vote
for
it
multiple
times.
I
would
but
I
won't
get
to
look
for
it
once,
but
if
I
were
to
be
played
devil's
advocate
for
this
aiming
who
would
be
the
the
gnat
that
would
if
they
were
to
push
against
us
to
say
what
we're
doing
is
against
the
law?
A
Like
it's,
it's
all,
it's
12.65,
which
is
a
relatively
low
percentage
and,
like
I
said
we
look
through
every
single
department
and
at
their
expended
expenditures
and
I
I
feel
that
we
easily
can
justify
that
councilman
we're
wearing
in
terms
of
the
the
you
know,
the
Departments
that
we're
looking
at
you
know
the
police
and
fire
themselves.
I
mean
12.65
for
everything,
they're
doing
right
for
that
load
of
extra
people
in
our
city
every
day,
I
just
I,
don't
think
we'd
have
a
problem
justifying
that
at
all.
Thank.
C
A
You
know
just
the
employees
that
we
have
that
are
very
specifically
working
just
with
tourists.
You
know
when
we're
looking
in
parks
and
things
like
that,
just
something
that
can
capture
those
costs
better
and
I.
Think
when
we
find
that
we
have
that
better
system
in
place,
it
will
be
surprised
at
the
number
that
is
we
we
get
out
of
that.
Probably
more
than
this
12.65
I
would
think
good.
E
A
Sorry
ever,
oh
there
we
go.
Okay,
I
was
frozen
for
a
second.
Where
was
that
here
right?
Okay,
sorry
about
that!
So
if
we
like
I,
said
we'll,
develop
a
policy
and
then
with
I
just
wanted
to
show
you
what
the
bottom
line
Looks.
If
we
did
did
that
11
million
dollar
transfer
in,
and
so
we
would
be
about
18
million
dollars
as
a
surplus
right
now,
but
remember
that's
just
with
base
budget
expenditure.
A
A
D
C
A
Okay,
so
other
Revenue
considerations,
property
taxes,
like
I,
said
you
know
we're.
We
don't
we're
not
considering
property
tax
increases
in
this
budget
at
all,
but,
like
I,
said,
1.7
million
dollars
is
the
value
of
a
mill,
and
that
is
the
same
as
last
year.
If
one
mill
would
generate
1.7
to
3.4
and
three
Mills
would
be
5.1,
our
millage
bank
is
currently
6.85
and
that's
equivalent
to
5.2
Mills.
A
So
just
so,
you
know
we
increase
property
taxes
by
three
mils
in
2022.
when
we
set
the
millage
and
look
off
to
the
sales
tax
credit
for
2022.
We
just
did
that
in
in
September
for
the
2022
tax
bills,
sales
tax
are
very
strong,
so
we
ended
up
having
to
set
the
tax
credit
Factor
at
a
higher
rate
than
we
originally
budgeted.
So
due
to
that,
the
millage
increase
that
we
put
in
place
is
basically
wiped
out.
A
B
A
B
Yeah
I
mean
I,
see
this
and
you've
presented
this
chart
to
us
over
and
over
I'm,
just
amazed
by
it
that
how
this,
how
this
works
out
and
I'm
trying
to
look
at
this
drive
I
mean
over
the
past
since
20
2009,
it's
it's
been
a
rather
a
consistent
net
benefit
and
that's
doing
this
right
am
I
missing.
Something
with
that.
A
A
E
Well,
let
me
ask
a
question:
Amy
I,
obviously
I'm
good.
With
this
I
I
know
we
had
some
hard
times
whether
to
put
a
full
component
of
lost
Revenue
towards
a
village
reduction,
but
I
mean
it.
I
show
hope
all
12
people
on
Council
know
this
or
learn
this
it
would.
It
took
me
a
while
to
learn
it,
but
it
has.
E
The
taxpayers
over,
you
know
well
from
09
to
22,
and
this
is
the
same
thing
I've
been
pointing
at
when
it
comes
to
Saint
Andrew's
PSD,
our
net
military
is
less
than
61.
I
know
the
gross
is
that,
but
we
actually
pay
more
than
Sandra's
PSD
when
we
Annex
a
piece
of
property
and
that
agreement
did
not
take
into
account
lost
revenues.
E
D
D
A
D
C
E
B
E
A
So
I
know
I
would
have
one
on
local
option
sales
tax,
which
we
do
always
talk
about
this
and
whether
we
were
to
not
keep
100
of
it.
So
this
is
just
one
of
that
slide
that
talks
about
you
know
if
we
kept
75
if
we
kept
50
or
25
percent
and
that's
what
it
would,
that
would
be
the
total
additional
Revenue
to
the
city.
If
we
were
to
do
that
for
both
Charleston
and
Berkeley
County.
E
Greenville
I
guess
whatever,
in
other
words,
are
we
going
to
be
drawn
even
with
them?
Or
will
our
employees
be
we're
the
largest
municipality
in
the
state
of
South
Carolina?
We
be
the
place
where
people
want
to
work
for
municipalities
that
they
would
turn
to
I
mean
the
school
teachers
used
to
go
to
Berkeley
County
because
they
got
paid
more
than
in
Charleston
County
I.
E
A
So
we
next
week
we
have
a
meeting
on
Wednesday
I,
have
some
slides
on
this,
where
we'll
have
a
joint
HR
committee
and
ad
hoc
meeting
together
I
kind
of
gave
up
on
my
ad
hoc
to
do
that,
so
that
we
can
talk
about
some
of
these
things
councilmember
wearing,
so
it
just
depends
on
what
we
want
to
do.
But
right
now
it's
a
it's.
A
A
cost
of
living
is
8.6
or
8.7
percent
right
now,
so
we're
talking
about
a
cola
across
the
board
for
everybody,
that's
commensurate
with
that
and
then
adjusting
the
three
pay
plans.
The
non-sworn
and
the
two
foreign
pay
plans
by
a
certain
amount
and
looking
at
that
as
compared
to
all
the
other
municipalities
within
our
state.
So
we'll
have
that
information
for
you
on
Wednesday
and.
E
E
A
A
A
Any
questions
on
that
foreign
process,
so
we
still
have
to
determine
employee
pay,
review
all
the
departmental
requests
and
our
recommendations
to
determining
what's
included
in
the
budget.
We
have
to
finalize
the
tourism
budgets,
the
capital,
Improvement
plan,
finalize
revenues
and
then
review
on
the
storm
water
budget.
That's
really
what's
on
the
horizon
still
and
then
our
next
meeting,
like
I,
said
it's
going
to
be
October,
22nd
and
it'll
be
a
joint
meeting,
so
we'll
discuss
potential
paid
plan.
A
Adjustments
family
leave
some
other
benefits
and
then
I
would
like,
if
hopefully
we'll
have
a
little
bit
of
time
to
start
going
over
the
departmental
requests
and
our
recommendations.
Enterprise
funds
lease
purchase,
there's
still
a
lot.
We
need
to
do,
but
anyway,
hopefully
we'll
get
through
some
of
that
on
Wednesday
as
well.
A
D
A
E
E
E
When
people
don't
pay
that
I
think
it
eventually
attaches
like
a
judgment
or
something
to
the
property,
so
such
that,
if
the
properties
have
a
sold,
you
still
have
to
pay
it
at
that
time.
The
past
title
wondering
if
we
can
pass
that
on
to
our
legal
department
to
see
can
something
like
that
be
done
on
these
people
who
didn't
pay
their
storm
on
a
fee?
C
C
D
Well,
certainly
want
to
defer
to
our
legal
staff
on
it.
My
gut
tells
me,
though,
that
since
it's
technically
a
theme,
not
a
property
tax,
it's
just
a
thief:
that's
on
the
property
tax
bill
for
building
conveniences,
all
of
the
statutory
mechanisms
talk
about
attachment
and
all
these
other
kinds
of
things,
property
taxes
might
not
apply
on
the
fee
side,
but
we.
D
My
gut
reaction
there,
which
you
know,
has
been
wrong
before
it
will
be
wrong
again.
My
thought
very
important
issue
to
look
into
for
sure,
but
one
thing
I
think
we
certainly
could
do
is
we
could
just
turn
all
over
all
this
bad
debt
to
a
debt
collection
company,
maybe
they'll,
buy
it
I
think
we
all
know
a
pretty
big
player
in
the
debt
collection
business
around
here.
He
likes
tennis
he's
a
pretty
cool
partner
with
the
city.
D
Maybe
that's
a
conversation
we
can
have
you
know
I
I
mean
we
can
monetize
it
quickly,
there's
maybe
something
else
we
can
do
with
it.
I
don't
know,
but
if
we
were
leaving
money
on
the
table,
especially
these
days,
especially
when
we're
dealing
with
storm
water
I
think
we
ought
to
get
creative,
get
all
of
our
options
and
get
after
it
and
so
I
think
it's
very,
very
smart
work.
Water.