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Description
City of Charleston Ad Hoc Budget Advisory Committee 9/8/22
B
Okay,
sorry,
good
afternoon,
everyone.
B
Hopefully
this
will
I'll
try
to
make
this
quick
today,
because
I
know
we've
got
more
meetings
after
this
one,
just
a
quick
overview
of
some
of
the
departmental
requests
that
we've
had.
We
will
have
meetings
with
department
heads
in
the
next
two
meetings
that
we
have,
but
just
to
kind
of
give
you
an
overview
of
some
of
the
requests
that
we're
receiving.
B
We
can
go
through
those
today
for
the
departments.
I
think
that
we'll
schedule
for
next
week
to
come
and
talk
to
y'all.
So
if
we
just
want
to
just
like,
I
said
a
brief
overview,
we
received
approximately
20
million
dollars
in
additional
requests
above
everyone's
base
budget,
so
kind
of
consistent
with
every
other
year.
That
does
not
include
police's
budget,
we're
still
working
with
them
on
there.
So
we
don't.
B
I
don't
have
those
numbers
included
in
in
that
20
million,
so
it'll
probably
be
more
than
that,
once
we
finalize
that
and
there's
some
things
that
we're
still
working
on
rents
and
property
insurance,
it's
always
working
with
the
irf
and
getting
those
those
property
insurance
numbers
finalized
is
always
somewhat
of
a
challenge,
so
that
number
will
change
a
little
bit.
There's
been
a
little
over
60
full-time
positions
requested
in
this
budget.
B
Of
course,
that
also
does
not
include
police,
so
I'm
not
exactly
sure
if
they're
requesting
any
positions
or
not
but
right
now
it's
a
little
over
60
additional
positions
that
are
being
requested,
and
I
sent
you
last
night
very
late
and
I
apologize
for
that.
Some
departments,
housing,
community
development,
human
resources,
livability
and
tourism,
parts
planning,
preservation
and
sustainability
and
recreation.
I
sent
you
the
detail
to
all
their
requests
last
night,
so
amy
councilman
gregory
has
his
hand
out.
I'm
sorry.
B
You're
welcome
so
those
were.
I
was
just
going
to
briefly
and,
like
I
said
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
what
they're
asked
what
they're
requesting
so
that
when
we
meet
with
them
next
week,
we
you
know
you'll,
have
an
idea
and
have
some
time
to
review,
to
ask
whatever
questions
you
may
have
so:
housing
community
development,
their
approximate
increased
cost
or
what
they're
asking
for
is
around
347
000
majority
of
that
is
relating
to
personnel
and
professional
contractual
services.
B
B
B
From
the
planning
department
for
that
same
position,
so
we
just
need
to
have
a
conversation
about
that
where,
where
the
best
location
would
be
for
that
position
and
then
contractual
support
for
a
local
non-profit,
that
would
fund
a
rental
coordinator
position
and
then
a
consultant
to
assist
the
city
with
establishing
a
land-based
fund.
So
those
were
the
major
things
that
they
were
asking
for
that
make
up
that
347
thousand
dollars.
B
Human
resources
and
organizational
development-
they
theirs
was
a
very
small
request
of
67
000,
mostly
for
advertising
for
recruitment,
professional
and
contractual
services
for
training,
hospitality
supplies
for
job
fairs
and
supply,
lunch
for
training
and
orientation,
attendees
and
then
a
salary
for
summer
intern.
They
also
had
requested
a
little
over
1.6
million
dollars
or
so,
which
I
have
not
included
in
here,
because
we
had
talked
about
a
a
kind
of
a
step
program
for
non-sworn,
but
that
needs
to
be
vetted
a
lot
more
before
we
really
put
that
in
here.
B
B
Okay,
livability
and
tourism
they're
requesting
around
171
thousand
dollars,
it's
mostly
for
the
rental
registration
program
pilot,
which
I
know
has
been
a
topic
of
conversation
and
council
for
the
last
few
meetings.
So
that's
basically
would
support
that
program
and
also
50
000
for
assessment
and
stabilization
of
dilapidated
structures,
so
we're
seeing
more
and
more
of
that,
and
they
just
needed
some
extra
funding
to
help
help
with
that
and
help
shore
up
some
of
those
those
properties.
B
Majority
of
that
is
they're
asking
for
14
new
positions,
they're
asking
to
increase
their
agricultural
supplies,
line
item
facility
maintenance
items;
they
requested
1.7
million
for
repairs
and
maintenance
of
specific
facilities
and
fountains
552
000
of
that
we've
already
allocated
in
general
fund
reserves,
which
is
part
of
what
we
talked
about
last
week
with
a
capital
improvement
plan
and
some
of
the
other
projects
that
we
have
that
are
non-capital
related
950
000.
We
will
utilize
the
funding
we
set
aside
for
deferred
maintenance,
so
of
that
1.7
we
already
have
1.5
million
dollars
funded.
B
Any
questions,
okay,
claiming
preservation
and
sustainability
they
asked
for
about
1.5
million
355
of
that
is
for
the
entrepreneur
neural
resource
center.
Sorry,
I
can't
speak
today.
That's
the
james
e
lewis,
incubator
space,
so
that
that
funding
would
be
for
that
professional
services.
They
want
to
continue,
obviously
do
phase
two
of
the
new
zoning
zoning
ordinance
phase.
B
One
was
funded
by
arpa
this
year,
so
they
would
need
the
additional
five
hundred
thousand
for
next
year
for
phase
two
and
two
hundred
thousand
for
a
downtown
peninsula
plan,
and
then
a
hundred
thousand
for
our
historic
architectural
inventory
survey
and
they've
asked
that
ask
for
that
every
year
since
2017,
and
they
also
asked
for
four
additional
positions
as
well.
B
Hey
jennifer
the
mayor
just
texted
and
said
somebody
needs
to
let
him
in
all
right.
I
think
he's
joining
from
his
iphone.
Yes
starts
with
709.
B
Recreation,
at
their
request,
was
about
1.7
million.
One
million
of
that
was
for
recreation
operations
and
694
was
for
the
golf
course
majority
of
their
increases
for
returning
lineups
back
to
pre-coveted
numbers
that
would
include
overtime,
professional
services
contracts,
they're
pretty
much
fully
back
in
the
recreation
program,
so
they
need
some
additional
professional
service
contracts
in
order
to
run
their
programs.
B
Some
the
revenue
would
offset
a
lot
of
those
costs
and
then
also
we
need
to
do
some
adjustments
to
part-time
salaries,
since
they
are
fully
back
in
and
will
need
they
need
additional
part-time
hours
and
then
they're
also
asking
for
funding
to
replace
equipment
which
we
haven't
done
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
B
And
then
just
for
a
budget
process
update
we'll
meet
next
week
on
the
14th.
That's
when
we'll
start
meeting
with
department
has
we
typically
have
met
with
the
larger
departments
that
have
the
largest
request,
so
we're
planning
to
go
over
parks,
planning
and
recreation
at
the
next
meeting,
housing,
community
development,
human
resources
and
livabilities.
Our
requests
are
fairly
small,
so
we
wouldn't
typically
have
brought
them
in
for
you
all
to
meet
with,
but
we
can,
if
you'd
like
us
to
so
just
let
me
know
that
and
then.
B
B
Need
to
make
sure
we
can
do
that
because
we
can't
live
stream
and
do
hybrid
meetings
anywhere.
We
have
meetings.
We
have
to
work
with
I.t
to
make
sure
that
we
can
can
do
that
yeah.
I
thought
when
we
talked
about
it,
jennifer
that,
because
this
was
ad
hoc,
we
didn't
necessarily
have
to
worry
about
doing
that.
B
It
wasn't
like
one
of
our
regular
standing
committees
necessarily,
but
we
can.
We
can
talk
about
it,
so
we
would
have
to
do
it
at
city,
council
chambers
right
and
get
with
it
in
order
to
do
a
hybrid,
correct,
yes,
okay,
okay
and
then
just
follow.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
about
any
of
that
and
I'm
kind
of
going
through
this,
probably
fast
too
fast?
Maybe
I
don't
know,
but
let's
let
me
know
slow
me
down.
D
Amy,
just
a
recap
on
the
694
for
the
golf
course.
Yes,
that
is
for
the
the
bathroom
facilities.
D
B
Okay,
so
what
we
had
some
of
the
things
we
said
we'd
follow
up
on
for
this
meeting
from
our
last
meeting.
Was
our
tourism
revenues
councilmember
shade
you
had
asked
about
the
quarterly
sort
of
when
our
peak
times
are.
Yes,.
B
That
information
for
you
so
for
state
accommodations,
the
reporting
quarters
are
a
little
bit
weird
with
the
state
because
they
they
they
report
back
based
on
when
the
cash
is
the
cat,
they
receive
the
cash
from
the
hotel.
It's
not
necessarily
when
it's
earned.
So
it's
a
little
weird.
So
the
reporting
quarters
are
december
to
february
march
to
may
june,
to
august
september
to
november,
and
so
in
19
you
can
see
it.
D
Amy,
that's
that's
a
huge
jump
yeah.
I
know
kova
had
a
a
lot
to
do
with
this,
obviously,
but
in
the
second
quarter,
from
3.1
to
5.2,
between
2019
and
2022.,.
B
Yeah,
we're
we've
been
pleasantly
surprised,
every
quarter
that
we
received
that
accommodation
stack
check
now.
Some
of
that
is
going
to
be
that
robin
hood
sort
of,
and
also.
B
B
And
then
municipal
accommodations,
it's
the
same.
B
D
B
B
Okay
and
then
the
capital
improvement
plan,
it's
not
complete,
yet
we
we're
waiting
still
on
some
calls
for
some
projects
that
we
discussed
the
last
meeting
and
then
we've
also
been
comparing
the
capital
improvement
plan
with
the
recently
funded
nons
and
the
recently
funded
non-cip
projects
to
our
parks
and
rec
master
plan.
So
we
can
begin
discuss
discussions
with
council
on
that
and
we'll
have
a
draft
of
the
capital
improvement
plan.
Hopefully
final
draft
of
the
capital
improvement
plan
to
bring
to
y'all
in
october
to
go
through,
and
then
that
should
be
finalized.
B
And
then
we
talked
about
having
some
information
regarding
projects
by
the
different
areas
of
the
city.
So
I
was
just
going
to
go
through
that
with
with
you,
if
you're
ready,
so
percentage
of
city's
capital
project.
Now
this
is
all
based
on
the
cip.
It
doesn't
include
any
of
the
projects
that
are
non-cip
that
we
talked
about
last
past
week,
but
percentage
of
the
city's
capital
project
count
and
budgeted
cost
by
geographical
location.
B
So
you
can
see
daniel
island
and
cain.
Hawaii
has
three
projects
at
a
cost
of
14.2
million.
James
island
has
two
at
a
cost
of
6.1
johns
island
has
three
projects
cost
of
22.6
and
it
has
34
projects
at
a
cost
of
515.
west
ashley
21
at
a
cost
of
110
billion.
B
I
do
have
it
by
function
too,
as
we
go
forward,
so
you
can
see
by
function,
but
this
is
you
know
this
is
the
budgeted
cost
of
the
projects
and
the
number
of
projects
which
is
separating
out
the
previous
slide.
Basically,.
B
And
then
that
just
kind
of
shows
the
number
and
the
budgeted
cost
by
location
as
well
just
in
a
pie
chart
that
might
be
a
little
bit
easier
to
kind
of
look
at
visually.
B
So
for
daniel
island
k
hawaii
you
have
the
fire
station
20
public
safety
of
8.7
million
public
services,
the
4.8
million
for
fairs
for
ferrisford
creek
bridge,
and
then
the
st
thomas
island
drive
noaa
creek
crossing
is
the
culture
of
recreation,
darker,
blue
pie,
piece.
B
B
John's
island,
mostly
it's
drainage
and
public
safety,
mostly
that's
the
fire
station
number
23
and
then
barbara
woods,
drainage.
And
then
we
have
some
funding
put
away
for
some
improvements
to
angel
oak.
B
Peninsula,
the
darker
blue
culture
and
recreation.
Obviously
the
public
service
is
the
light
blue.
It's
mostly
drainage
projects
so
great.
I
know
it
matches
the
background
too
much,
but
that's
the
municipal
operations
center
in
public
safety
and
are
running
community
development,
which
I've
kind
of
detailed
them
out.
So
public
safety
is
the
canon
street
or
chemistry
fire
station,
central
fire
station
two
and
three
huge
street
fire
stations.
So
those
are
that
27,
1.7
million
is
all
fire
stations
and
then
public
service.
It's
mostly
drainage.
B
You
have
alberta
long
lake,
the
erhark
tunnel,
hugest
street
limehouse,
brick
arches
market
street,
then
there's
the
seawall,
which
is
not
a
drainage
project
in
springfishburn.
B
And
then
enterprise
fund
was
6.8
million,
it's
parking
garages,
it's
the
ballpark,
it's
the
city
market
hall,
shed
checkpointing
and
the
shepherd
street
lot
and
then
culture
and
recreation
for
109
million.
It
was
brittle
bank,
that's
the
1
million
we
just
put
aside
for
the
the
playground,
equipment,
cooper,
river
bridge
multi-use
trail,
the
iam,
lomboro
dock,
the
shaw
communities
and
then
urban
and
community
development
was
the
morris
and
drive
edge
conditions,
the
hope
center
huge
street
street
escape
and
marcus
street
streetscape.
A
C
Yeah
that
one
do
we
know
specifically
what
we
we
had
allocated
for
the
doc.
B
And
then
for
west
ashley,
it's
mostly
cultural
recreation,
public
safety
and
public
service
projects,
public
safety,
safety,
it's
the
ashley
hall,
fire
station,
cncpd
fleet
operations
and
then
public
service,
it's
obviously
drainage
projects.
You
have
church,
creek
dupont,
wall
pool
for
sakers,
fort
royal
lake
daughter,
west
bonnie
and
windermere,
and
then
culture
and
recreation.
We
have
ashley
river
crossing
bridge,
wpal,
25
folly
park,
carl
richardson,
charleston,
nine
firefighters,
memorial,
mulberry
park
park
shore
park
renovations
and
then
the
bikeway
and
then
several
different
projects
following
the
greenway
as
well.
C
Yes,
thank
you.
The
ashley
hall
plantation.
A
B
A
B
There
is
money
set
aside
for
renovations,
but
some
of
it
is
also
to
replace
it
and
purchase
land
as
well.
Okay,
great
thank
you.
B
B
B
D
And-
and
I
think
that
when
we
have
our
public
services
meetings
and
matt
goes
over
these
public
service
type
projects,
he
gives
us
a
little
bit
more
detailed
background
of
sort
of
where
we
are
in
the
development
of
some
of
those
projects.
So
this
this
really
helps
amy.
Give
us
a
broad
overview
of
where
we're
going
with
that,
and
I
appreciate,
have
you
broken
this
down
for
us?
Thank
you.
B
E
Does
this
have
any
room
for
what
came
in
front
of
us
last
month,
came
from
actually
the
citizens
and
obviously
on
television
and
all
of
that,
but
the
restrooms
on
the
community
golf
course
is
that
going
to
be
anywhere
in
here.
That's
something
we
would
come
back
and
add
later
on.
B
So
that's
where
I
was
saying
there
are
some
projects
that
we
talked
about
last
last
time
that
we
were
getting
additional
information
and
costs
too,
and
so
that
that
is
one
of
those
projects
that
we're
working
on.
D
Amy,
likewise,
we
also
talked
about
lighting,
I
think,
with
some
of
the
tennis
courts.
A
B
Yeah
so
those
are
already
set
aside,
councilman
richard,
but
those
aren't
capital.
They
were
they're.
Not
they
don't
really
reach
the
threshold
of
a
capital
improvement
to
be
included
on
the
capital
improvement
plan,
but
we
did
put
funding
away
for
both
maybank
and
the
charleston
tennis
center
for
lights.
Okay,.
E
B
A
I've
lived
here
practically
my
whole
life.
I
couldn't
tell
you
where
mulberry
park
is,
I
I
I'm
I'm
embarrassed
to
say
it,
but
I'll
be
honest.
B
E
F
Oh,
thank
you.
By
the
way
I
can
hear
you
all
so
much
better
in
the
car
than
I
can
on.
My
computer
everybody's,
coming
through
crystal
clear
mulberry
park,
is
on
mulberry
street,
which
is,
as
somebody
just
said,
that
the
duck
and
the
turtle
pond
the
clemson
students
just
built
a
picnic
shelter
over
there,
and
so
the
funding
for
the
rest
of
the
park
is
to
do
a
playground.
F
Some
a
little
walking
trail
around
the
ponds
and
kind
of
do
a
crosswalk
across
mulberry
street
and
some
other
improvements
just
honestly
to
to
finish
it
off
finish
it
out.
C
Yeah
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
The
ferguson
village
park
that
wouldn't
be
a
part
of
this
legendary
process.
C
Okay,
okay
and
then
then
the
next
question
is
probably
a
discussion
I
need
to
have,
with
with
jason,
regarding
the
land
that
bishop
provided
to
the
city
to
try
to
do
a
passive
park.
A
E
I
I
got
one
other
question
with
the
you
know:
the
the
bike,
the
bike,
pedestrian
bridge
asheville.
Well,
I
guess
that's
the
actual
river
crossing.
I'm
sorry!
That's.
B
B
When
we
bring
everything
back
in
october,
when
we
have
the
final
draft
of
the
capital
improvement
plan,
we'll
also
have
all
the
other
projects.
You
know
that
aren't
considered
capital
projects
so
that
you
all
know
like
we
talked
about
the
last
time.
Just
so
you
have
an
idea
of
what
other
things
are
funded
as
well.
B
If
we
can,
if
we
can
do
it,
we're
trying
to
kind
of
look
at
the
the
parks
and
rec
master
plan
and
going
through
that
just
look
and
see
how
much
of
that
we've
already
have
at
least
partial
funding
for
some
of
those
projects.
So
that
might
be
an
exercise.
C
If
I,
if
I
may,
a
councilman
waring,
there
is
a
beautiful
presentation
on
the
car
richardson
park
that
meg
and
neighborhood
sent
out
in
her
monthly
report.
C
Yeah,
if
anybody
wants
to
really
see
that
meg's
report
really
shows
great
great
pictures
of
it,
and
it
looks
pretty
close
to
completion
sorry
about
it.
E
D
F
So
so
y'all,
if
I
may
just
add
one
comment,
how
many
millions
of
dollars
did
you
say
amy
all
these
capital
projects
totaled
up
to.
F
So
so,
when
you
hear
jason
and
and
edmond
they're,
not
really
complaining,
they're
they're,
just
letting
you
all
know
that
we're
kind
of
at
a
capacity
for
just
being
able
to
get
the
stuff
done
with
the
folks
that
we've
got
on
hand.
It's
because
we're
doing
so
so
much
here
I
mean
that
that's
that's
a
lot
of
capital
improvements
in
a
lot
of
different
areas
and,
of
course
storm
water
is
part
of
it
too.
So
there's
more
than
just
jason
and
edmund's
team,
it's
also
stormwater
and
and
other
folks
in
the
city.
A
F
A
Okay,
all
right,
so
thank
you
amy.
I
just
got
a
question
in
this
sort
of
accounting
101,
but
I
am
just
curious.
What
what
are
the
funding
sources
for
the
capital
improvement
projects
is
that
is
that
an
easy
enough
sort
of
spreadsheet
or
graph
of
where
the
money's
coming
from
to
that?
That
is
supporting
these
capital
improvement
projects
specifically
when,
because
I
I
saw
you
did
the
geographical
maps
for
where
the
money
is
allotted
in
which
location
is
that
a
possible?
A
B
A
Okay,
I
think
is
this
and
I'm
sorry
to
take
up
y'all's
time,
but
it
just
just
throwing
this
question
out
there
pretty
bluntly,
but
obviously
james
island
is
on
the
low
end
of
the
capital
improvement
projects,
and
I
just
wonder
what
resources
are
coming
from
james
island
into
these
capital
improvement
projects,
as
opposed
to
being
put
into
james
island.
Does
that
make
sense.
A
C
Yeah,
just
just
to
we
sort
of
respond
to
councilmember
parker.
You
know,
I
think
that
you
know
we
need
to
be
pretty
proud
of
what
the
three
of
us
have
already
brought
to
the
island,
especially
that
five
million
dollar
drainage
project
on
central
park
road.
C
So
you
know,
as
council
members
in
terms
of
bringing
resources
to
the
island,
I
think
we're
doing
doing.
Okay,
could
we
do
better?
Yes,
and
I
do
think
that
it's
a
legitimate
question
to
find
out
how
much
money
james
island
puts
into
the
till
and
how
much
we
get
for
it.
I
think
that's
really
the
basis
of
your
question.
A
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
You
know
they
teach
in
law
school,
not
to
ask
a
question
in
a
deposition
or
certainly
at
a
trial.
You
don't
know
the
answer
to
so
with
all
that
being
said,
piggybacking
off
of
councilman
gregory's
question
right
there
about
sort
of
the
relative.
You
know
tax
generation
relative
to
investment.
Do
we
do
we
have
that
information.
A
I
think
what
people
will
find
out
when
the
analysis
is
run.
This
is
just
my
working
hypothesis
is
that
it's
the
other
way
around
and
it's
the
peninsula
that
subsidizes
entire
districts
around
around
here,
but
I
think
it's
going
to
be
very
interesting
to
see
once
all
that
analysis
comes
in,
because
I
just
think
that
you
know,
as
we
head
into
redistricting
conversations
and
other
types
of
discussions
and
policy
discussions
over
the
coming
years.
A
Having
that
information
is
just
going
to
be
very
helpful,
because
I'll
tell
you
that
six
percent
stuff
goes
way
way
way
farther
than
four
percent
assessments
due
on
at
least
on
the
property
tax,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
so
information
worth
having
for
sure.
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
adding
that
because
I
think
that's
exactly
sort
of
the
point
that
I
was
trying
to
get
having
that
type
of
data,
I
think,
would
be
helpful
not
only
for
me,
but
for
citizens.
B
E
Thank
you,
I
think
that's
good
information,
but
if
you're
going
to
do
it
for
the
general
fund,
you
got
to
do
for
the
other
areas
as
well,
because
I
don't
know,
I
always
say
roughly
about
50.
Maybe
55
percent
of
every
dollar
comes
from
property
taxes
and
the
balance
comes
from
someplace
else.
Okay,
even
if
it's
that
much
and
when
you
look
at
those
other
funds,
in
particular
hospitality
and
accommodation
sales
tax
fund,
it
is
embarrassing
what
has
gone
to
wes
ashley
james
allen
to
the
lesser
degree
john's
allen.
F
So
I
I
think
we
can
look
at
it
from
different,
get
it
easier
based
on
various
coding
and
information.
Not
everything
we
have
is
coded,
for
example,
by
city
council
district,
but
most
everything
I
bet
is
coded
by
zip
code
which
which,
mostly
you
know
at
least
separates
james
island,
west,
ashley,
johns
island.
You
know
the
peninsula
and
and
the
major
sections
of
town,
even
when
you're
looking
at
like
business,
license
revenue
and
all
like
that.
So
we'll
we'll
see
how
that
can
be
sliced
and
diced.
B
B
B
It's
never
been
reported
to
us
like
that,
because
we're
the
city
we
provide
services
to
everybody
in
the
city
limits
right.
So
I
mean
that
would
be
a
conversation
with
the
county.
If
we
really
want
to
go
down
this
road
and
separate
it
out
and
have
that
have
that
fight
about
who's
paying
more
and
all
of
that
we
I
mean
I
can
talk
to
the
county
about
it,
see
what
we
can
do.
A
Well,
I
hope
sorry
jumping
in
councilwoman
parker,
I
I
don't.
I
certainly
didn't
bring
it
up
to
to
start
some
type
of
you
know,
but
I
think
it's
just
good
kind
of
like
council
member
appel
said
I
mean
I
think
it.
Let's
put
it
this
way.
That's
the
feeling
over
here
on
james
island,
like
you
just
said,
council
member
waring,
so
I
think
just
having
all
the
data
that
we
have
in
so
many
other
arenas
that
this
would
just
be
a
a
tool
to
know.
You
know.
C
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
I
have
seen
a
chart
that
that,
when,
when
projects
are
either
being
proposed,
are
even
funded,
it
says
specifically
what
district
is
in
like
an
example:
ferguson,
village,
district
six,
for
example,
central
park,
okay,
drainage,
district,
six
and
and
and
if
you
look
at
many
of
the
projects
that
that
are
brought
before
us,
we
can
sort
of
tell
what
district
it's
in,
but
it.
C
But
it
still
misses
that
that
that
point
to
going
back
to
council
member
parker,
how
much
you
put
in
the
till
to
get
what
you've
got
and
whether
or
not
kind
of
balance.
B
For
for
the
projects
that
we
do
right,
but
when
it
comes
to
general
services,
governmental
services,
no,
I
can't
I
can't
do
that
and
same
with
the
revenues
coming
in.
I
mean
it's
easy
to
say
you
know,
okay,
this
project
on
james
island,
central
park,
we're
paying
for
with
drainage
funds,
and
that's
in
this
district
like
I
can
do
that
for
projects.
That's
not
a
problem,
I'm
just
saying
for
general
fund
revenues
coming
in
property
taxes
coming
in
and
our
general
government
services
that
we
pay
out.
I
can't
separate
it
by
district.
B
The
revenue
side,
we
could
probably
do
it
with
help
from
the
county,
but
I
can't
I
can't
do
it
expense
wise,
because
we're
not
set
up
our
accounting
system
has
been
set
up.
That
way
in
order
for
me
to
say
this,
this
invoice
that
I
paid
went
to
for
for
councilman.
You
know
for
council
district,
whatever
I
can't
we're
not
set
up
that
way.
A
Yeah,
I
would
just
say
that
the
revenue
side
I
agree
is
going
to
be
the
much
easier
analysis
to
take
on
and
that's
going
to
tell
a
lot
of
the
story.
I
I
understand
how
you
can't
apportion
and
slice
and
dice
police
and
fire
services
and
things
of
that
nature
that
that
easily.
But
I
mean
we
know
what
we
take
in
every
year.
A
I
think
if
we
could
have
sort
of
a
visual
depiction
overlaid
on
a
map
showing
where
the
raw
dollars
come
from
and
the
councilman
waring's
point
have
it
broken
down
by
property,
tax
and
other
revenue
streams.
I
think
that
on
its
own
would
tell
a
lot
and
be
very
informative
to
us
and
in
fact,
I've
actually
seen
very
similar,
visual
depictions
like
this
in
other
jurisdictions
and
other
matters
that
I've
been
involved
with
over
the
years
I'll
connect
amy.
A
Maybe
you
would
with
some
of
these
folks
that
I'm
that
have
experience
doing
this
and
it's
a
there's,
some
pretty
cool
technology
out
there
that
can.
F
We
do
that
with
our
drainage
projects.
We
we're
going
through
that
with
our
sidewalks
and
and
yeah.
We
try
to
be
thoughtful
about
you
know,
making
sure
all
parts
of
the
city
are
are
covered,
but
when
we
come
up
with
criteria
or
in
the
case
of
flooding,
it's
known,
flooding,
you
know.
F
In
that
sense,
you
know
somebody
on
daniel
island
could
argue
well
gee,
I'm
paying
my
stormwater
fee,
but
I'm
not
seeing
a
project
over
here.
Well,
that
was
because
the
the
whole
build-out
was
designed
well
in
the
beginning
and
does
doesn't
need
a
drainage
project
over
there.
F
So
so
their
dollars
are
frankly
going
to
pay
for
projects
in
other
parts
of
the
city,
and-
and
I
view
that
as
okay,
because
you
know
we're
addressing
the
the
projects
to
to
the
places
where
they're
most
needed,
and
we
try
to
do
that
with
the
playground
replacements,
with
really
all
of
these
different
categories
of
pr
capital
projects
that
we
present
to
you
and
we're
involved
in.
And
so
I
I
I
hear
y'all
it's
it's
it's
good
information
to
know
where
things
are
coming
from
and
where
they're
going.
F
But
I
I
certainly
don't
want
us
to
get
into
some
parochial.
You
know
well
gee,
I'm
putting
ten
dollars
in.
I
got
to
get
10
back
out
or
something
like
that,
because
we
we
need
to
look
at
the
overall
real
needs
of
the
city
and
and
address
those
in
a
in
a
wise,
prioritized
manner,
and
that's
what
that's.
What
we're
trying
to
do.
C
I
I
I
definitely
agree
with
you
totally
mayor
that
it's
most
of
what
we
do
is
is
based
on
on
need
and
in
my
other
profession,
we
had
to
do
it
by
congressional
districts.
Okay,
when
we
reported
we
had
to
let
each
one
of
those
congress.
Members
know
how
much
hud
south
carolina
put
into
their
district
and
for
what.
C
But
it
didn't
get
down
into
the
like
what
we
what
it
looks
like
we're
trying
to
go
here,
but
we
were
able
to
tell
each
congressional
senator
how
much
money
we
put
in
their
district
so
grossly
yeah.
C
We
can
do,
but,
but
when
you
get
into
the
the
nitty-gritty
of
this-
and
I
think
what
you
were
saying
mayor
and
I
I
gotta
use
the
term-
and
I
think
that
jennifer-
I'm
not
jennifer
amy
used
it
a
little
while
ago
we're
one
charleston
yeah
we're
one
charleston
and
wherever
the
need
is
that's
where
we
focus
and
and
as
I
look
at
the
projects
mayor,
there
is
a
pretty
good
distribution,
okay
across
the
board,
in
terms
of
having
representation
of
funding
on
all
the
boroughs.
F
C
E
Yeah,
I
think
that
I
think
I'm
up
next,
I
I,
mr
may.
I
want
to
second
what
you
said
you're
right
about
what
you,
the
example
you
gave
about
daniel
allen
and
his
drainage
needs
and
versus
contributing
towards
the
whole,
and
I
will
say
this:
the
appropriation
of
funding,
in
particular
accommodation
and
hospitality.
Monies
has
been
much
more
fair
under
your
administration
and
I
don't
need
to
get
brownie
points
on
that.
It's
just
a
fact.
E
There
were
no
tourism
dollars
that
came
west
of
the
peninsula
until
I
think
it
started
in
2015
when
first
appropriation
was
on
the
mayor,
raleigh
was
to
buy
the
carl
richardson
property
out
of
tourism
dollars.
Prior
to
that
it
was
a
big
tug
of
war
dudley.
You
remember
that
between,
in
particular,
steve
mcdonald
and
myself
and
steve
is
my
friend
yeah.
E
He
said,
tourists
didn't
go
west
ashland,
and
I
took
exception
to
that
on
the
floor
of
council
right
so
so
this
has
been
a
much
fair
process,
but
I'm
gonna
put
some
onus
on
since
we're
talking
about
this,
and
this
is
how
it
happens.
That's
why
this
committee
put
together
you
and
the
councilman
shade
this
ad
hoc
committee
is
just
I
think,
is
so
invaluable.
E
E
But
I
happened
to
be
in
conversation
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
with-
and
I
think
I
was
talking
to
kevin
sheila-
about
the
golf
course
and
when
we
annex
a
piece
of
property
into
the
city
of
charleston
or
somebody's
talking
about
annexing
into
the
property,
probably
into
charleston,
we
show
them
the
savings
on
property
taxes.
E
I
think
water
and
sewer
and
that
it
pretty
much
ends
right
there.
But
there's
so
many
more
advantages.
I
I
don't
play
golf,
but
if
you're
in
the
city
you
pay
a
green
fees
or
lower
than
if
you
not
in
the
city,
I
don't
know
how
many
parks
we
got.
We
got
about
140,
probably
approaching
150
parks
in
the
city,
which
is
a
benefit
versus
some
of
these
other
areas.
E
If
they
have
a
pocket,
you
can
count
them
on
one
hand.
Well,
I
think
every
we
need
to
put
together
a
comparison
that
shows
we
have
what
430
or
40
police
officers.
Obviously
there's
no
other
municipality
that
can
compete
with
that
there's,
certainly
a
special
district
that
can't
compete
with
that.
So
and
then,
obviously
we
have
about
400
plus
farming,
so
I
think
every
we
need
to
improve
our
comparison
on
that.
E
E
When
ms
parker
made
mention
about
improvements
to
the
cool
logo
on
james
island
about
a
month
or
so
ago,
I
thought
that
was
something
that
could
be
done,
and
I
know
we
had
talked
about
a
bond
referendum,
but
I
I
don't
think
the
whole
island
of
james
allen
ought
to
wait
to
improve
that
pool
until
until
a
bond
referendum.
E
There
was
also
talk.
If
you
remember,
when
w
aggression,
megan
was
thought
to
have
been
being
given
to
dudley,
I
forget
the
name
of
the
group.
It
was
going
to
be
a
historic
thing
with
historically
with
african-american
schools
prior
to
september
clark
school
over
there
on
rumble
road.
They
got
a
wonderful
gym.
E
Over
there
there
was
some
some
primary
some
preliminary
conversations
on
potentially
having
a
gym
on
that
side
of
the
island
for
public
for
the
public
to
use,
which
would
you
know,
gyms
cost
a
lot
of
money
and
if
we
could
get
the
use
of
if
the
city
could
get
some
common
use
on
that
gym
over
there,
it
would
take
some
pressure,
probably
off
of
james
island
rick,
and
you
know
those
conversations
have
gone
dormant
and
I'm
not
putting
it
on
you,
mr
beer,
but
because
I
think
some
of
those
are
community-based,
but
things
like
that
to
get
the
pool
over
at
james
island
up
to
running
a
little
bit
better,
maybe
year
round
it's
something
that
I
think
can
can
be
on
the
list
that
doesn't
doesn't
take.
E
You
know
a
100
million
dollar
bond
referendum
fix
just
like
the
the
bathrooms
being
put
on
the
golf
course
over.
There
came
from
grassroots,
and
now
we
now
it's
going
to
be,
I
know
we're
going
to
vote
on
something
this
year
so
anyway,
I
throw
that
out
for
conversation
for
the
goodness
of
a
committee
like
this
having
been
put
together.
E
All
those
conversations
would
never
be
helped.
So
sometimes
it's
like
the
birthing
process,
but
I'll
tell
you
what
the
community
benefits
education,
but
overall
city
and
community
benefits
anyway.
Thank
you.
F
Well,
thank
you
and
I
think,
that's
a
a
wise
suggestion
to
pull
together
kind
of
what
I
would
call
the
full
benefit
package
in
addition
to
the
tax
and
the
water
and
sewer
savings
that
a
citizen
will
accrue
by
by
annexing
into
the
city,
both
in
terms
of
fire
protection,
insurance
costs,
police
protection,
use
of
our
parks,
discounts
there
there's
much
more
to
it
and
and
and
we
that's
a
great
idea,
we'll
we'll
work
on
well.
E
D
Mr
mayor
lots
of
membership.
Thank
you
good
conversation
all
around
and
appreciate
the
comments
that
we
have
shared.
I
just
want
to
sort
of
circle
back
around
a
little
bit
and
throw
a
yellow
warning
flag
with
us.
We
can
play
with
these
numbers
a
good
bit
as
to
how
money
is
received
and
how
money
is
distributed
and
amy
said
it
very
early
on
for
one
city
reason
I
bring
that
up
is
because,
if
you
look
at
the
population
distribution
for
those
of
us
who
represent
west
ashley
are
portions
of
west
ashley.
D
If
you
want
to
play
a
numbers
game
and
you
want
to
benefit
the
the
greater
good,
the
argument
could
be
made
the
majority
of
the
populations
in
in
west
ashland,
and
I'm
not
saying
that
that
is
the
criteria
that
we
need
to
be
using
to
do
that.
The
other.
The
other
factor
I
think
we
need
to
take
into
consideration,
is
that
some
of
these
projects,
if
you
do
a
cost,
benefit
analysis
of
it,
you
may
be
looking
at
something
that
is
done.
That's
going
to
benefit
a
smaller
portion
of
our
population,
but
that
project
made.
D
Maybe
it
does
impact
a
smaller
portion
of
our
population,
but
has
a
great
impact
overall
in
the
health
of
the
city
and
there's
some
projects
that
the
whole
city
is
going
to
use
and
enjoy
like
we
make
improvements
on
joy
rally,
baseball
park
or
if
we
make
an
improvement
at
the
at
the
medicinal
golf
course.
That's
something.
That's
not
regional
and
the
perfect
example
of
all
this
is
that
they
came
up
on
a
capital
project.
So
it's
just
sitting
on
west
party
place
for
drainage
fund.
It's
gonna,
it's
gonna
cost
us
a
lot
of
money.
D
This
will
have
a
small
impact
on
a
small
group
of
neighbors,
but
it
has
a
huge
impact
on
the
overall
health
of
that
region,
which
has
this
collateral
impact
that
sort
of
spreads
out
and
if
that
neighborhood
is
healthy,
the
rest
of
the
city
south.
So
I
I
just
sort
of
want
to
give
us
sort
of
a
bird's
eye
view
of
how
we're
budgeting
and
how
we're
operating
as
a
city-
and
it
really
goes
back
to
this
very
basic
concept
that
amy
said
we're
just
one
city.
D
It
doesn't
matter
how
it's
digging
up,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
all
going
to
benefit
from
it
one
way
or
another,
so
we
have
to
just
be
a
little
careful
on
how
we
look
at
well.
Well,
wes
actually
brings
an
x
number
of
dollars.
The
peninsula
brings
in
a
wide
number
of
dollars.
Am
I
getting
my
my
dollar
for
dollar
benefit?
We
really
are
benefiting
totally
as
as
a
city,
so
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
two
cents
worth
and
sort
of
close
the
circle
on
this
very
good.
D
I
think
very,
very
good
and
very
healthy
discussion
that
we're
having
about
this
distribution
and
income
receipt
of
funds,
so
thank
y'all
for
bringing
it
out.
Yes,
sir.
Thank.