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City of Charleston Ad Hoc Budget Advisory Committee 3/8/23
A
A
B
B
So
the
ones
we're
currently
looking
at
are
the
motor
coach
permits,
tourism,
ticket
fees,
Carriage,
Medallion,
fee
and
tour
guide,
study,
notes,
we've
established
or
work
groups
for
healthy
infection
permits,
engineering
permits,
garbage
cart
fees,
especially
good
feeds
and
recreation
facility
fees,
and
then,
where
we
also
plan
to
work
on
fire,
permit
storm
water
permits
and
certificate
of
public
conveyance.
So
those
are
all
the
ones
we're
currently
working
on
their
plan
to
work
on
in
2023..
A
A
Some
kind
of
Fail-Safe
inflation
factor
I,
don't
know
that
they
get
adjusted
every
year
but
say
once
cumulative
inflation
has
reached
five
percent
or
ten
percent
that
that
we
kind
of
have
automatic
renewal,
update
of
the
fees,
so
at
least
we're
keeping
up
with
inflation,
not
that
you
need
to
adjust
it
every
single
year.
If
there's
a
two
percent
increase
in
inflation,
but
once
it
gets
to
five
percent,
you
know
or
some
Market
level
that
we
kind
of
expect
that
we're
going
to
have
the
built
in
that
we're
going
to
have
an
increase.
C
A
Or
you
could
you
could
that's
one
way
to
do
it
too,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
different
fees,
as
you
can
see,
and
anyway,
just
I've
seen
too
many
cases
in
the
last
seven
years,
where
we're
adjusting
things
that
hadn't
been
adjusted
in
20
years.
You
know,
and
you
know
an
automatic
thing
wouldn't
be
bad
anyway.
That's
my
thought.
A
B
B
B
C
That's
fine
I,
just
I
mean
especially
like
tourism
fees
and
motor
coach
permits.
I
mean
we
should
charge
them
a
substantial
amount.
I
mean
it's
a
heavy
burden
on
the
city,
and
you
know
it's
a
privilege
to
be
here.
That's
place
that
we
can
raise
some
Revenue
off
tourism
that
we
can't
otherwise
do
in
other
places,
Okay.
B
A
D
B
D
B
B
So,
while
we're
working
through
trying
to
come
up
with
a
new
fee
and
what
it
should
be,
we
often
will
consult
with
other
municipalities
to
see
what
they're
doing
so.
That
would
be
all
part
of
the
process
of
updating
the
fee.
And
when
we
have
all
that
information
council
member
shade,
we
can
share
it
as.
B
A
E
E
And
decades
it
used
to
be
that
we
had
to
set
fees
according
to
a
very
prescriptive
requirement
and
the
state
code
that
said
that
the
amount
of
the
fee
we
charge
has
to
be
directly
pegged
to
the
benefit
received
by
the
payor.
That
is
no
longer
the
rule
in
South,
Carolina,
there's
much
more
flexibility
we
have,
and
that
relates
not
just
to
these
new
fees.
We're
going
to
talk
about,
hopefully
on
this
call.
But
things
like
these.
You
know
motor
coach
fees
that
we're
talking
about.
E
You
know
we
don't
have
to
come
up
with
some
explanation
as
to
what
that
fourteen
dollars
is
going
for
that's
gone.
It's
gone
and
I
know
that
that's
been
the
way
we've
done
business
around
here
for
years,
and
it's
good
that
we've
done
business
like
that
around
here
for
years,
because
that's
what
the
rules
were.
E
So
it
is
a
philosophical
change
that
we
need
to
get
comfortable
with
as
to
how
all
these
fees
work,
how
they're
set
what
the
money
can
be
used
for,
and
it
doesn't
apply
just
to
these
new
Revenue
sources,
we're
going
to
talk
about,
but
all
of
the
existing
user
fees
that
we
have
are
subject
to
this
new
requirements.
So
there's
we
could
charge
a
hundred
dollars
for
that
coach
fee
I
mean
it's
just
different.
A
Blinders
are
wrong
and
I'm
not
sure
why,
but
I
was
informed
the
other
day
that
for
some
reason
for
years,
but
the
software
we
used
or
something
like
that,
we
we'd
never
been
able
to
get
the
motor
coach
fees
to
be
payable
online
and
we've
finally
done
that.
So
you
can
now
pay
your
motor
coach
fee
online.
A
C
Just
one
more
quick
question:
when
we
look
at
these
fees,
I'd
be
interested
to
know
sort
of
what
we
for
each
one
of
these
categories,
what
we
currently
generate
gross
and
then
sort
of
figure
it
out
from
there.
The
one.
That's
really
got
me
fascinated
this
motor
coach
permit
fee
I
just
would
love
to
know
how
much
we
collect
from
that
sort
of
what
that
looks
like
thanks.
A
B
Okay,
so
I
don't
know
that
you
necessarily
want
to
do
this,
but
as
council
member
of
Palace
talked
about
the
law,
so
we've
kind
of
put
the
law
I've
put
in
slides
of
Law
and
highlighted
the
changes
to
it.
So
you
could
see
really
where
the
changes
lie
within
the
within
the
law.
If
you
want
me
to
go
through
those,
we
can,
or
we
can
Skip
by
them
up
to
you.
Please.
B
B
G
E
I
mean
I
mean
there's
flexibility
in
the
law
in
terms
of
how
you
define
specific
Improvement
contemplating
that's
that's
the
issue
and
I
want
to
be
clear
act
236,
which
is
what
Amy
just
read
that
this
is
act.
236
you've
heard
me
talk
about
it.
This
we've
just
seen
it
on
the
screen.
Now
it
doesn't
mean
that
there's
no
rules
for
user
fees.
That's
not
what
I'm
saying
it's
just
that
user
fees
now
can
be
structured
in
such
a
manner
where
there's
incidental
benefit
to
non-payors
and
that's
a
big
deal.
E
That's
a
big
difference,
because
that,
for
so
long
is
what's
been
the
distinct
one
of
the
distinguishing
factors
between
a
fee
and
a
tax
right.
We
all
pay
our
federal
income
taxes
that
money
could
go
to
an
F-16.
It
could
go
to
a
public
park,
go
to
a
Medicare.
We
have
no
save
where
that
tax
money
goes,
but
when
you
pay
a
fee,
there
has
to
be
some
direct
benefit
that
endures
to
the
pay
order.
That
line
has
been
blurred
by
Act,
236.
E
and
so
also
under
the
user
fee
statutes,
unlike
taxes,
where
we're
preempted
we're
specifically
preempted
by
the
state
from
coming
up
with
any
new
taxes
that
are
not
specifically
identified,
there's
no
such
preemption
language.
When
it
comes
to
user
fees,
that's
why
we
can
come
up
with
things
like
coach
fees,
there's
nothing
about
coach
fees
in
the
stack
in
the
South
Carolina
code
of
laws.
E
These
are
these
are
things
where
there's
some
home
rule
flexibility
to
create
feed
programs
for
government
services
and
programs
that
are
being
implemented
on
the
local
level,
so
I
think
a
lot
of
this
comes
down
to
how
these
fee
programs
are
shaped,
how
system
improvements
are
Quantified
and
how
they
relate
to
the
fee
and
I.
Think
Rick
raised
a
great
point:
I
mean
there.
There
is
a
Nexus
between
the
use
of
the
roads
and
and
the
maintenance
of
the
roads.
I
mean
I,
think
that's
something
that
could
be
defended.
E
E
E
B
E
B
F
E
That
money
was
then
going
to
pave
roads
and
do
Road
Improvement
projects
around
the
county.
That
fee
was
challenged
in
Greenville
County.
The
Supreme
Court
a
couple
years
ago
struck
that
fee
down
because
it
violated
the
old
version
of
6-1-306.,
and
the
court
said
that
it
was
a
fee
functioning
like
a
tax,
because
there
were
benefits
going
to
people
that
didn't
pay
the
fee.
E
So
if
you
use
this
road
fee
money
to
improve
roads,
if
you
were
just
traveling
through
the
county,
if
you
were
visiting,
if
you
didn't
have
a
you
know,
car
registered
in
that
county,
you
were
getting
a
benefit
that
a
fee
payor
had
paid
for,
and
so
the
Supreme
Court
struck
down
those
fees.
Road
maintenance
fees
were
illegal
in
South
Carolina,
as
determined
by
the
burns
decision
in
Greenville.
E
The
legislature
responded
with
act
236.
What
act
236
does?
Is
it
overturns
the
Burn's
decision
by
liberalizing
the
benefit
prong
of
the
user
fee
statute?
So
when
I
say
that
the
legislation
blurs
the
line
between
fees
and
taxes,
this
legislation
now
makes
legal
a
fee
that
the
Supreme
Court
originally
viewed
as
an
unlawful
tax.
E
A
little
blurry,
but
you
know
fees
used
to
have
to
live
in
a
very
tight
box
and
local
governments
around
the
state
were
stretching
it.
They
were
pushing
their
luck.
These
counties
didn't
want
to
raise
taxes
for
political
reasons,
so
they
ended
up.
You
know
nickel
and
diming
with
these
fees
right,
but
they
were
using
the
money
for
the
same
purposes,
which
you
would
use
tax
dollars
for
for
these,
like
you
know,
broad-based
public,
you
know
Improvement
projects,
things
like
that.
F
E
E
Get
you
start
to
move
that
sliding
scale
over
a
little
bit
as
you're
going
into
the
frontier,
so
for
what
I
mean
by
that,
the
City
of
Charleston
can
100
charge
a
road
maintenance
fee.
There's
no
lawyer
that
could
ever
convince
me
that
that's
not
legal
because
of
the
burns
decision.
Burns
involved
a
road
maintenance
fee.
It
was
struck
down.
The
legislature
passed
a
law
that
essentially
reverses
the
Burn's
decision,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
that
is
exactly
what
this
legislation
was
designed
to
do.
F
E
H
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr
Mayor
I
want
to
know
if
I
know
it's
relatively
new,
but
have
we
taken
a
I,
don't
know
a
survey
to
see
what
some
other
cities,
municipalities
in
the
state
have
maybe
administered
or
instituted
of
a
fee
standpoint,
since
this
act
has
passed.
I
was
talking
to
somebody
recently
and
they
would
tell
me
Hilton.
Head
is
doing
something
down
there.
A
Yeah
we
we
can
ask
the
municipal
Association
that
and
I
know
we
all
have
things
that
we
think
we
could
fund
a
little
better
in
the
city.
The
two
things
that
occur
to
me
most
readily
are
affordable
housing
and
to
set
up
a
dedicated
Thief,
that's
appropriate
somewhere
to
where
we
could
have
a
reliable
source
of
funding.
For
that,
of
course,
we've
set
up
a
number,
a
little
different
things
like
fee
and
Lou
fees
and
all,
but
something
sustainable
would
be
worthy
of
discussion
and
Also.
A
Regarding
roadway
improvements,
because
this
has
come
up
recently
and
I.
Think
I
pointed
out
to
y'all
at
the
last
council
meeting
that
we're
estimating
we're
we're
knocking
on
the
door
of
50
percent
of
the
streets
in
our
city
are
actually
city
streets
as
opposed
to
dot
Street
streets
and
and
like
it
or
not.
We've
got
long-term
liability
to
take
care
of
those
streets
and
we
don't
have
a
dedicated
funding
source
to
do
that.
A
So
you
know
I'm
I'm
interested
in
having
discussion
about
that
burns
case
and
and
whatever
fee
they
have
up
in
Greenville
County.
Is
that
something
we
want
to
consider
for
the
City
of
Charleston,
so
that
we
have
some
means
when
the
need
comes
along,
like
councilmember
sacrament's
request
to
to
do
those
intersection
improvements
up
on
Rutledge
Avenue
and
we
all
agree.
Gee,
that's
a
great
idea,
but
all
week,
basically
could
say
was
well
Gee.
A
Let's
look
for
the
money
for
it,
we
don't
have
any
kind
of
Regular
fee
for
transportation
related
expenses
that
we
could
rely
upon
to
do
those
kinds
of
things
when
when
we
need
them
when
our
Citizens
need
them
and
provide
more
safety
for
them.
So
anyway,
if
that
might
be
a
jumping
off
point
for
us
to
go
into
executive
session,
I'll
entertain
a
motion.
G
H
Said
fee
structure,
if
you
remember
the
proposal,
I
think
you
had
maybe
Senator
kimson
introduced
adding
a
fetal
building
permit
for
affordable
housing,
three
percent
fee,
even
though
it's
the
City
of
Charleston
building
permit
fee,
we
had
to
get
permission
from
the
state.
Remember
and
I
think
it
died
in
committee
is
one
that
was
the
life
of
that
right
now,
and
we
can
talk
that
on
the
other
side,.