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City of Charleston Ad Hoc Budget Advisory Committee 11/9/22
A
B
I'm
glad
to
hear
it
good,
so
I'd
like
to
call
our
budget
advisory
committee
meeting
to
order
and
ask
you
to
join
me
for
just
a
a
brief
moment
of
silence
and
and
let's
reflect
upon
those
who
both
ran
for
office
and
for
those
who
got
elected
and
and
asked
for
God's
blessings
on
him
as
a
serve
our
citizens
across
this
country.
B
Okay,
so
Amy's
got
an
update
of
our
general
fund
and
Enterprise
funds
budget,
since
we
just
had
our
Workshop
the
other
day,
and
we
were
listening
to
the
feedback
from
our
council
members
and
I
think
we
have
a
proposal
that,
hopefully
we'll
will
suit
most
folks
and
we'd,
be
able
to
move
forward
with
it
to
to
a
proposal
at
city
council
Amy.
You
want
to
share
share
with
us.
A
A
A
There's
not
77
I
can
promise
you
that,
okay,
so
just
where
we
are.
As
of
our
last
count,
the
full
Council
Workshop,
where
we
were
in
the
bottom
line.
Remember
I
was
7.8
million
dollars
additional
funding
needed
so
with
that.
That's
including
the
additional
arpa
funding
and
the
requests.
A
The
recommended
requests
that
we
had
all
of
that
and
we
discussed
different
scenarios
and
including
Revenue
options
with
millage
and
then
also
reducing
some
of
the
recommended
requests
that
we
had
identified
and
it
seemed
to
us
from
Council
that
households
amenable
to
a
millage
increase
plus
cutting
some
expenditures.
So
that's
where
we
went
with
it.
B
And
and
if
I
may
add
to
that
Amy
that
the
number
one
priority
was
to
keep
in
place,
the
proposed
compensation,
wage
increases
and
benefits
that
have
we
had
been
proposed.
So
so,
just
let
council
members
know
that
that
was
our
priority
as,
as
was
stated.
A
Right
so
we
we
went
back
through
all
of
the
recommended
requests
that
we,
the
things
that
we
had
recommended
last
time,
which
was
that
that
13.7
million
dollars
on
the
previous
side
and
cut
it
back
to
12.1,
and
then
we
made
some
other
reductions.
We
reviewed
revenues
and
made
some
some
small
increases
to
those
items,
mostly
business
licenses.
Where
we
really
looked
at
it.
A
That
was
it's
just
a
twenty
thousand
dollar
study,
but
we,
where
you
you'll
you
will
utilize
Harbor
funding
for
that
and
we
were
at
a
5.2
million
dollar
funding
Gap
at
that
point,
so
we
increased
revenues
by
920,
000
added
twenty
thousand
dollars
to
arpa
reduce
the
the
recommended
requests
over
a
little
over
a
million
dollars.
Pay
plan
stayed
intact
as
everybody
requested,
and
then
we
had
some
expenditure
adjustments
as
well.
That
brought
us
down
to
5.2
any
questions
there.
C
A
It's
not
cutting
base
budget
at
all
councilman
recovery,
it's
just
those
additional
requests
that
we
had
recommended.
If
you
remember,
we
had
like
21
million
dollars
in
additional
requests.
We
recommended
about
a
little
over
13
million
of
those.
So
we
just
cut
those
additional
requests
back
but
didn't
touch
base
budget.
A
You're
welcome
So,
based
on
our
Council
Workshop,
we're
recommending
we're
recommending
a
three
mil
increase
to
fund
the
2023
budget,
and
that
just
leaves
a
small
amount
for
us
to
find
a
little
bit
of
a
funding
Gap
at
71.8
million
or
a
million
listen
to
me,
71
000
852,
which
we
can.
We
can
make
that
adjustment.
B
As
you
I
think,
Amy
had
distributed
the
detailed
list
with
everyone,
a
lot
of
it
involved,
just
restoring
funding
and
overtime
and
and
supplies
back
to
pre-covet
levels.
Don't
get
me
wrong.
There
were
a
number
of
other
items
in
there,
but
that
was
a
consistent
category,
so
to
speak
from
from
all
the
different
Departments
of
just
trying
to
get
get
back
to
where
we
were
so,
we
could
make
sure
we
were
covering
our
service
level.
Back
back
to
where
we
were
before
we
had
coveted
Cuts.
A
There
that's
for
some
of
the
from
a
lot
of
the
Departments.
Yes,
there
was
some
additional
things
too.
A
Obviously
you
know
with
the
parks
department
and
then
you
know
fire
department,
there's
certain
things
that
they've
been
asking
for,
for
you
know,
year
after
year
that
we
just
haven't
been
able
to
fund
it's
the
same
for
all
the
Departments
but
Recreation,
especially
that
was
getting
them
back
to
where
they
needed
questions.
Since
they're
they're
running
full-on
programs
right
now,
I
would
say
the
majority
of
Recreations
requests
were
just
getting
them
back
to
where
they
were
before
right.
B
You
know,
make
up
the
difference
here
and
and
the
long
discussion
about
using
the
Los
T
versus
Mills
and
it
it
seemed
the
majority
of
of
council
members
preferred
the
Mills
so
that
we
were
able
to
continue
to
extend
the
full
credit
from
the
local
option
sales
tax,
which
was
noted
that
last
year,
even
though
we
had
a
three
mil
increase,
the
Los
T
credit
completely
made
up
for
it
and
then
some
in
fact,
Mr
Drew
reported
on
his
own
personal
bill
that
it
was
ten
dollars
less
this
year
that
he
just
got
in
the
mail.
E
B
B
Think
councilmember,
Waring
and
Gregory
initially
indicated
that,
even
if
we
needed
to
do
more
millage
to
cover
the
the
the
the
Delta
that
they
were
willing
to
do
that,
but
we
felt
it
was
a
prudent
to
go
back
through
the
list
of
things
and
just
scrutinize
it
one
more
time
reduce
where
we
could
so
that
the
millage
increase
would
hopefully
again
be
comparable
to
the
Los
T
credit
it
gets
complicated,
but
that
that's
our
hope
for
next
year
as
well.
A
A
D
I
was
just
going
to
mention
you
know:
I've
got
a
condo
up
in
Richmond
County
up
in
Columbia
and
I
just
got
that
tax
bill
day
before
yesterday,
and
it
actually
lists
the
Los
T
discount
on
that
tax
bill.
That
would
be
interesting
if
Charleston
County
would
do
that
for
us
I
think,
but
it
it
listed.
B
Well,
well,
our
bill
does
list
some.
In
fact,
I
bought
my
bill
from
home
right
here
and
upper
right
hand
corner
it
lists
a
municipal
sales
tax
credit
is
how
they
earn
it,
not
Los
T,
but
it
says
Municipal
sales,
tax
credit.
It
also
lists
accounting
sales
tax
credit
on
my
bill.
So
if
you're
you
get
both
if
you're
in
the
city
in
the
county-
and
it
does
combined
on
on
my
bill-
is
the
two
credits
account
for
over
10
percent
of
my
whole
property
tax
bill
as
a
credit?
B
Of
course
you
know
it
it
it
doesn't.
It
doesn't
indicate
on
here.
You
know
that
that
we're
using
a
hundred
percent
of
what's
available
to
us,
but
but
it
does
show
it
there
separately,
so
for
what
the
what
what
it's
worth
it
does
show
that
and
and
if
I
may
go
back
one
more
slide.
Amy,
you
know
the
the
pay
plan.
Adjustment
Amy
was
right.
B
All
the
department
heads
this
year
were
we're
we're
very
thoughtful
considerate
about
the
the
recommended
requests
they
had
because
at
the,
if
you
all
remember,
as
we
were
going
through
each
departmental
budget,
the
the
top
requests
would
would
no
specific
amount
was
to
have
a
pay
plan
adjustment,
so
this
was
everyone's
top
priority
this
year.
There's
no
question
about
it.
Thank
you.
Amy.
A
A
So
whatever
results
in
the
dental
fund
has
a
deficit
of
about
7.95
million.
The
Enterprise
funds
have
a
7.88
million
dollar
Surplus,
and
so
then
there's
that
small
71
000
that
we'll
we'll
go
through
and
we'll
we'll
balance
that,
but
that's
what
it
looks
like.
So
this
is
the
general
fund
with
a
7.9
million
dollar
deficit
and
then
with
the
Enterprise
funds,
and
there
are
Surplus
here,
the
7.8.
It's
the
seven
one
thousand
funding
that
we'll
just
we'll
we'll
go
through
that
and
fix
that.
F
C
C
B
Well,
we
we
looked
at
our
fees
this
year.
We
we
look
at
them
every
year.
Councilman
mcgregory
you'll
probably
find
me
again
next
year
about
this
time
talking
about
Los
T,
because
that
is
in
fact
another
Revenue
source
that
we
have
chosen
thus
far
not
to
utilize,
but
you
know,
but
the
answer
to
your
question
is
all
of
the
above
will
will
continue
to
review
every
available,
Revenue
Source
every
year.
I,
don't
think
we
have
have
any
choice
in
that
matter.
E
A
So
we
had
the
inventory,
the
revenue
inventory
of
all
the
fees
and
when
they've
last
been
updated
and
all
that,
so
we
will
go
through
all
of
that
and
and
try
to
get
on
a
more
cyclical
process
of
doing
that
and
looking
at
our
fees.
So
that's
something
that
this
committee
can
obviously
be
be
a
part
of.
We
could
start
that
earlier
in
the
year
so
that
we
have
that
set
for
when
the
budget
gets
set
for
2024.
and.
A
I
did
and
I
sent
you
an
updated
one
as
well
that,
because,
if
you
remember,
we
had
some
livability
items
that
we
haven't,
we.
E
C
B
You
you
recall,
we
had
the
discussion
recently
about
the
municipal
improvement
district
for
some
additional
funding
for
improvements
on
John's
Island
that
we
might
have
that
different
kind
of
fee.
That's
now,
Allowed
by
state
law,
I
think
we'll
be
coming
back
to
y'all
relatively
soon,
but
that
wouldn't
take
place
for
for
for
yet
another
year.
Councilmember
Waring.
F
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor.
When
we
talk
about
revenue
streams,
I'm
glad
you
may
mention
the
user
reviews,
that's
one
of
the
things
that
councilman
appell
has
been
I'm.
Gonna,
say
somewhat
I'm
excited
encouraging
about
what
the
state
has
allowed
and
I'm
very
interested
and
I
think
hope.
The
rest
of
us
are
and
finding
out
what
that
can
be.
I
think
use
fees,
but
I
think
we
ought
to
jump
on
that.
I,
don't
know
how
we
have
a
planet
after
this
budget
cycle.
F
Maybe
we
jump
on
that'd
be
one
of
the
first
things
we
jump
on
councilman
mappell.
They
say
what
can
we
do
because
that,
just
like
help
think
about
it?.
E
F
Better
part
of
20
years
ago,
lost
Revenue
was
a
new
stream
of
Revenue
a
whole
body
of
Revenue
that
was
created
by
the
state
of
South
Carolina
I.
Look
at
these
use
fees,
as
potentially
being
in
that
that
type
category
I
think.
The
second
thing
we
need
to
look
at
and
I
understand,
you're
putting
on
Lost
Revenue,
but
it's
just
pretty
compelling
when
you
look
at
how
how
a
village
rate
has
been.
F
Not
so
I
would
say
almost
Flatline
as
a
result
of
giving
that
back
to
you
know
the
taxpayers,
but
I
understand
that's
a
philosophical
difference,
but
then
I
do
think
we
have
to
sharpen
our
pencils
and
I'm
the
town
cry
on
this
one.
But
when
we
look
at
the
chart
that
Amy
did
last
week
showing
the
millage
rate
for
North
Charleston
Mount
Pleasant,
you
know
City
of
Charleston
and
Andrews
PSD
and
James
Allen
PSD.
It
was
quite
revealing
man
I
looked
at
that
later
on.
That
was
just
awesome
work
Amy!
F
But
when
you
look
at
93
point,
I
think
it
was
eight
mils
that
the
PSD
had
versus
our
net
Mills
millage
of
61.8
or
whatever
61.7
660.8
I,
think
60.8,
that
is
I
mean
their
millage
is
over
50
percent
higher
than
almonds,
and
that's
a
net
cash
flow
to
us.
If
that
is,
is
corrected
simply
we
supplement
them
and
the
supplement
is
even
higher
than
that.
There's
a
strong
economic
argument
to
say
every
time
we
Annex
a
property.
F
Obviously
we
increase
our
expenses,
but
guess
what
they're
expensive
is
lowered
because
they
no
longer
have
to
pick
up
that
trash.
They
no
longer
have
to
serve
that
house
if
it
catches
a
fire
exactly
so
we
pick
up
that
cost
at
a
net.
You
know
60.8
whatever.
Let's
call
it
61
Mills
and
then
we
pay
out
93.
whatever
meals
to
them,
and
you
say
well,
look
just
compare
them
to
the
James
Island
PSD
I.
Don't
know
a
lot
about
the
jeans
on
PST,
but
I
can
tell
you
what
they
certainly
managed
to
cost.
F
F
That's
what
1.6
1.7
mils
that
we're
paying
out
per
house
that
certainly
funds
that
can
be
recaptured
back
into
the
treasury
for
the
citizens
of
Charleston
I
mean
I,
that's
one
where
they
may
not
want
to
acknowledge
it,
but
the
daylight
of
that
kind
of
spending
has
to
be
shown.
F
The
only
reason
people
are
doing.
That
is
because
they
don't
know
it
I
mean
who.
F
To
pay
50
more
in
property
tax,
so
that's
a
in
my
opinion,
I
think
that's
a
little
hanging
fruit,
so
the
usury
fees,
taxes
that
we
are
certainly
do
and
then
you
take
the
normal
appreciation,
I
won't
say
Noble,
but
we're
blessed
with
a
growing
city
that
has
a
growing
tax
base.
A
lot
of
the
development
that's
coming
online
by
the
way
Amy.
F
F
But
if
you
were
to
average
that
out
year
over
year,
it's
about
what
six
to
eight
million
per
year
has
been
in
the
in
the
last
four
five
years
right
so
see.
Is
that
reflected
anywhere?
So
that
has
been
yet
to
be
reflected
in
this
budget.
A
E
F
I
think
you
can
see
I
mean
look
at
some
of
the
development
going
on
along
Martian
drive
and
you
know
when
those
properties
come
online,
that's
going
to
be
additional
Revenue
to
the
city,
so
okay,
I'll
find
the
employment
needs
to
be
tweaked,
but
we
certainly
need
to
embrace
that
additional
body
a
lot
with
the
user
fees
and
whatever's
going
to
happen
with
Union
Pier.
We
don't
need
to
be
on
the
tail
end
of
that.
We
need
to
be
on
the
front
end
of
that
to
see.
F
G
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
councilman
Waring
invoke
the
magic
words
and
he's
got
me
all
riled
up
in
my
office,
so
I
gotta
I
got
to
talk
about
user
fees.
Now,
I
I
will
say,
there's
sort
of
two
ways
to
look
at
this
new
law
act,
236
and
and
what
it
means
for
Charleston.
The
first
implication
I
would
say
is
it
gives
us
more
flexibility
and
setting
our
current
user
needs.
So
everything
we've
currently
got
that
we
charge
folks
for
that
are
called
user
piece.
G
We
can
tweak
those
dials
a
little
bit
more
in
terms
of
increasing
fees
without
being
under
the
same
sort
of
straight
jackets
that
we
were
under
from
a
statutory
standpoint.
Originally,
so
we've
got
some
more
room
to
kind
of
bump
those
numbers
up,
because
we
don't
have
to
show
a
direct
one-to-one
dollar
benefit,
individualized
benefit
between
the
payor
and
the
value
received.
That's
that's
stage,
one
and
I
think
we're
we're
doing
that,
and
that's
that
updated
fee
list
that
Amy's
circulating
the
other
aspect
of
this
fee
legislation
is.
G
We
can
invent
new
fees
out
of
thin
air
and
get
very
creative
with
it.
This
is
where
we
start
talking
about
things
like
the
Johns
Island
infrastructure
recruitment
fee.
We
draw
a
circle
around
John's
Island.
We
put
a
20
fee
on
everybody's,
you
know,
Property
Tax
Bill
set
up
a
fund
and
we
start
doing
all
kinds
of
great
stuff
on
John's
on
that's
just
one
example,
we
could
have
a
West
Ashley
beautification.
We
could
have.
You
know,
there's
all
kinds
of
creativity
that
comes
into
play.
We
had
we've
done
a
great
job
on
phase
one.
G
G
You
know,
I
almost
think
we
need
to
set
up
like
an
ad
hoc
Committee
of
sorts
to
just
brainstorm
and
come
up
with
some
ideas,
maybe
after
the
new
year,
to
really
think
about
ways
that
we
can
use
this
new
Authority
that
we
have
in
a
in
an
a
fair
and
reasonable
way
to
to
offset
some
of
the
property
tax.
G
You
know
pressure
that
we've
been
feeling
here
every
year,
certainly
that
I've
been
on
Council,
so
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
I
think
it's
a
real
opportunity
couldn't
agree
more
with
councilman
Waring.
There's
a
real
opportunity
here
for
us
to
diversify
our
revenue
streams
in
a
manner
that
really
is
unprecedented
in
South
Carolina
over
the
last
30
years
or
so
I
I
still
think
act.
236
is
the
most
significant
expansion
of
mobile
home
rule
Authority
in
terms
of
Revenue
generation
in
decadence
and.
E
G
Really
think
it's
a
real
opportunity
for
us
not
for
this
budget
I
think
we
gotta,
we
gotta,
you
know,
do
what
we
can
and
the
current
framework,
but
certainly
for
next
year.
I
think
you
know
we
play
our
cards
right.
There
may
be
an
opportunity
for
us
to
avoid
having
to
have
another
Village
conversation
or
maybe
even
having
to
read
reflect
the
Lost
Wars,
although
I'm
down
for
it.
G
C
Yeah
I
agree
with
you
a
council
member
of
hell,
but
you
do
recall
that
we
have
had
one
initial
meeting
with
Julia
as
well
as
Gianna,
to
look
into
whether
or
not
236
can
be
used
in
some
type
of
housing.
Linkage
for
all
of
our
developments
and
I
think
we
have
already
recommended
that
the
ACT
be
provided
to
all
of
our
department
heads,
so
they
can
take
a
look
at
it
and
see
whether
or
not
they
can
utilize
it
for
an
increase
in
Revenue.
C
You
know
I
agree
with
you
in
terms
of
perhaps
an
ad
hoc
kind
of
approach
that
would
probably
make
it
get
done
quicker,
but
there
is
some
movement
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
there.
There
is
some
movement
already
for
our
department
heads
to
take
a
look
at
236
and
see
how
they
can
utilize
it
to
increase.
Revenue
I
know
we're
looking
at
it
in
the
housing,
Arena
I'm,
just
not
sure
where
we
are
with
the
other
departments.
B
F
Thank
you,
council
member
pale.
Does
anybody
know
I
guess
this
question
goes
out
to
all
this?
Isn't
the
first
state
I'm
hoping
they've
done
that
some
other
states
that
maybe
have
already
crossed
this
path,
allows
in
half
passing
legislation
similar
to
236.?
F
Can
we
can
we
glean
anything
from
somebody
who's
already,
some
other
states
and
cities?
That's
already
doing
this.
That
can
help
give
looks
like
it'll,
be
an
anarch
committee.
A
jump
start
on
this
it'll
be
good.
If
we
can
kind
of
try
to
find
out
that
kind
of
information
between
now
and
Eternity
here,
so
we
can
maybe
hit
the
ground
running,
see
that's
why
I
was
thinking
it
might
be
a
wheel
out
there
already
that
somebody's
doing
that
we
can
get
one
or
two
good
ideas
from.
A
E
E
F
Know
that'd
be
good,
I
know
the
planning
department.
Recently,
you
know
I'm
talking
about
meeting
that
we
get
that
they're
going
to
come
out
and
meet
with
Mr
palacis
and
a
number
of
business
people
West
Ashley
over
here
and
one
of
the
things
they
made
mention
of
was
a
concierge
service
on
on
I
guess
certain
type
developments
I
mean
that
may
be
an
opportunity:
councilmember
Bell
for
I,
guess
expedited
services
or
something
like
that.
I,
don't
know,
but
I'm
interested
in
and
I'm
telling
you
that.
F
H
I
noticed
the
mayor
I'm
on
my
phone
I
had
to
leave
the
county
jail
to
see
a
client,
so
I'm
just
made
it
back
to
my
house
I'm
trying
to
log
on
for
my
computer,
so
I've
been
listening
in
to
this
conversation,
but
I
appreciate
it's
been
a
very
good
conversation,
I.
Think
in
the
discussion
for
having.
B
Me,
and
and
like
one
once
again,
we
do
have
one
in
progress
so
to
speak,
that
I'll
report
back
to
y'all
soon
about
the
Johns
Island
proposal.
So
so
we
we
do
have
something
to
bring
forward
I
think
next
year
in
in
lieu
of
that
Municipal
improvement,
district
and
then
councilmember
Warren
I
did
want
to
point
out.
You
mentioned
the
new
development
new
buildings,
particularly
up
Mars
and
drive,
and
just
clicked
through
my
mind
that
a
good
bit
of
that
real
estate
up
there
is
in
a
tax,
increment,
Finance
District.
B
So
so
the
new
taxes,
of
course
go
into
the
Tiff
fund
rather
than
into
our
general
fund.
But
having
said
that,
the
last
year
next
year
is
the
last
year
of
the
Gateway
Tiff
and
so
annual
revenues.
I
think
it's
exceeds
five
million
dollars
a
year.
Doesn't
it
Amy
from
that.
B
I
think
that's
going
to
be
the
ballpark
that
that
used
to
go
to
the
Tiff
fund
will
now
be
coming
to
the
general
fund.
Out
of
that
District
since
it'll
be
burning
off
so
to
speak,
the
timeline
will
be
the
end
of
be
the
end
of
that
District.
That's.
F
B
E
A
Everybody's
in
agreement,
this
will
be
what
our
draft
budget
is:
we're
trying
to
work
out,
another
full
Council
Workshop
to
go
through
it.
The
proposed
draft
budget
before
we
have
to
get
the
add
to
the
paper
on
the
16th
of
November,
which
will
say
what
our
draft
budget
is,
we'll
have
the
drop
budget
for
everybody,
November
22nd
meeting.
We
have
to
have
it
too
by
then
all
of
council,
so
we're
trying
to
work
that
out.
A
So
if
not,
then
we
just
need
to
go
back
and
just
do
base
budget
with
some
more
Cuts.
Basically
so.
F
E
F
E
F
B
So
without
objection
other
than
the
71
000,
that
Amy
needs
to
find
some
adjustments
for
we'll
we'll
bring
this
proposed
budget
to
to
council
for
y'all's,
formal
consideration
and
I
I.
Just
want
to
thank
everybody.
I
know,
y'all
put
a
lot
of
time
into
these
meetings
and
Amy's
and
her
staff
time
is
is
crazy.
B
It's
incredible,
but
I
do
believe
it's
it's
more
transparent
and
an
improved
process
to
what
we,
the
city,
was
doing
before
we're
kind
of
at
the
11th
Hour
we'd
we'd
unload
of
a
fully
crafted
budget
to
council
this
this
process
a
little
tedious
a
little
time
consuming.
B
You
know,
allows
for
input
and
transparency
and
everybody
be
able
to
kind
of
know
what's
coming,
rather
than
getting
clobbered
so
to
speak
at
the
end,
with
a
big
stack
of
information
and
numbers.
So
I
want
to
thank
everybody's
participation
and,
being
a
part
of
it.
I
know
I
note
that
everybody.
This
is
not
a
required
meeting
and
everybody
makes
a
point
to
come
and
attend
and
participate
in
a
I
think
it's
very
helpful
for
for
this
public
process.
So
for
what
it's
worth?
Thank
you
everybody
Gregory.
B
Yeah
sure
we
have
one
other
item,
a
business
here
on
the
agenda
and
that's
to
go
into
an
executive
session.
I
wanted
to
Garner
y'all's
advice
on
that
as
well.
Okay,.
I
I
C
Amy,
we
we're
you
know
just
for
clarification,
we're
we're
under
a
statutory
requirements
with
respect
to
the
budgetary
process
and
when
we
have
to
have
it
complete,
am
I
correct.
That's.
A
Right
and
so
we
don't
always
do
another
Workshop
I
was
just
going
to
do
another
Workshop.
If
we
could
so
we
have
to
get
the
draft
budgets
to
all
of
council
by
the
22nd
of
November,
which
is
the
week
of
Thanksgiving
that
that
Tuesday,
because
it
has
to
be
two
weeks
before
the
first
reading
of
the
budget,
we
have
to
send
the
advertisement
to
the
paper
which
talks
about
millage.
You
know
the
revenues
expenses
the
Thursday
before
that
meeting.
So
that's
the
16th.
So
that's
what
the
deadlines
are.
B
So
so
that's
got
to
go
out
in
the
agenda
and
this
Friday
is
a
holiday,
so
council,
member
Parker,
I
I,
respectfully
ask
if
you've
got
a
question.
Now
would
be
a
good
time
as
any.
If
you
got
anything
particular
to
ask
about
it,.
I
I
But
I
am
I'll,
be
honest
with
you,
I'll
be
transparent,
I'm,
not
a
big
fan
of
you
know,
raising
the
taxes,
I
think
I
did
say
this
that
the
workshop
and
they
you
know,
obviously
said
that
really,
the
only
other
alternatives
are
cutting
back
from
the
budgetary,
the
budget
requests
and
I,
and
things
like
that,
but
I'm
still
curious.
If
there's
an
option
C,
you
know.
If
there
aren't
other
avenues,
I
mean
I,
see
that
you
know
we're
increasing
fees
for
recreation
programs.
I
You
know
we're
increasing
fees
for
other
things,
but
it's
still
not
making
up
the
shortfall
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
not
another
way.
You
know
that
we
can
look
at
this.
You
know
look
at
the
budget
in
a
with
a
closer.
You
know,
microscope
and
and
not
have
to
do
this
this
year
since
the
since
we
did
it
last
year
and
I
understand
the
Millions.
I
But
that's
my
big
question.
My
second
question
is
just
that
or
that
wasn't
really
a
question.
That
was
a
statement,
but
my
second
question
would
just
be
that
you
know
yes,
I
was
obviously
I
mean
I
want
to
see
a
pay
increase.
We
know
that
we
have
to
do
this.
I
was
I'm
a
big
proponent
of
this,
but
I'm.
Also
wondering
and
I
asked
this
at
the
last
meeting.
You
know
what
does
it
look
like
if
we
focused
on
the
pay
increases
for
the
areas
that
we
are?
I
A
I
Is
that
right,
yes,
I,
mean
similar
to
like
you
know
we
need
to.
We
would
like
to
have
a
pay
study
done
we're
not
going
to
get
that
done
for
this
budget
season,
but
where
what
would
it
look
like
if
we
increased
those
the
pay
in
areas
where
we
needed
to
and
to
fill
those
vacancies?
You
know
how
does
that
work
so.
A
A
Every
single
Department
every
single
department
is
having
an
issue
with
the
exception
of
police
and
fire
hiring
people
except
the
police
and
fire
is
non-sborne
they're,
also
having
issues
hiring
non-sborne
in
their
departments.
So
it
would
be
a
lot
of
positions.
I
know
you
all
think
about
all
the
very
visible
ones.
Obviously,
because
you
get
the
most
complaints
for
those,
but,
like
my
finance
director
position
has
been
vacant
for
over
a
year
now,
I've
got
several
positions
that
have
been
vacant
for
for
very
lengthy
amount
of
time.
A
So
it's
kind
of
hard
to
pick
and
choose
I
know
the
ones
that
are
important
to
council,
because
those
are
the
ones
that
are
out
in
the
field
doing
you
know
getting
all
the
work
done,
but
it
would
be
a
little
hard
to
do
that.
But
if
that's
the
will
of
council,
we
can
we.
I
A
B
And
and
council
member
Parker,
if
I
may,
Anne
and
you're
welcome
to
attend
the
ad
hoc
budget
committee
meetings
and
and
I'll
always
recognize
any
council
member.
That
wants
to
be
recognized
as
I
have
done
today,
and
so
maybe
you
don't
have
the
benefit
that
you
know
we
went
through
all
the
departmental
requests.
B
You
know
all
their.
We
reviewed
all
the
fees
and
we
had
a
discussion
about
that
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
I
I
think
he
came
in
a
few
minutes
late.
We
did
try
to
increase
everyone
that
was
reasonable
and
practical
that
we
could.
B
As
you
mentioned,
some
Recreation
fees
went
up
and
some
other
things,
but
we
do
to
get
to
this
point
after
some
months
of
scrutiny,
you
know
where,
where
we
just
got
to
balance
the
budget,
if,
if
you
go
through
it
yourself
and
have
any
fees
that
you
want
to
propose
or
any
cuts
that
you
want
to
propose,
you
know
the
floor
will
be
open
for
you
to
do
that.
D
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
appreciate
it.
I
know
the
last
last
meeting
we
brought
this
up
during
Recreation
brought
up
during
Parks
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you
know
I'm
appointed
member
of
the
friends
and
Immunity
board,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
still
in
consideration
as
far
as
the
restrooms,
you
know
for
the
for
the
Munich
golf
course
yeah.
B
And
that's:
go:
that's
a
different
budget!
That's
going
to
be
our
capital
projects,
a
capital
project
budget,
okay,
Jason
has
gotten
some
ballpark
pricing
on
some
units
and
I
just
asked
Liz
to
schedule
for
me
to
come
talk
to
the
friends
at
your
next
meeting
or
soon,
because
I
I
do
want
to
just
make
a
little
proposal
to
the
friends
about
a
about
about
that
and
and
what
other
future
improvements
they're
they're
considering
but
yeah.
Absolutely
we
got
that
on
the
on
on
that
Capital
project.
Side.
Okay,
thank
you!
H
Thank
you,
mayor
and
I've.
Finally,
got
you
a
real
computer,
so
I
can
see
the
screen
a
whole
lot
better.
I
hear
you
a
whole
lot
better
as.
H
But
the
last
comment
that
you
just
made
me
are
about
going
to
the
fridge.
I
think
you
also
need
to
come
to
the
golf
commission
to
discuss
those
other
options.
Besides
just
a
friend
of
the
muni,
those
sorts
of
there's,
a
lot
of
crossover
on
that
that
those
councilman
were
Parker
and
I
served
on
that
commission.
They
provide
some
really
good
insight
and
suggestions
on
the
improvements
when
we're
going
and
they
get
a
good
full
report
of
the
revenue
stream
and
expenses
associated
with
operating.
The
golf
course.
H
So
I
would
just
encourage
you
if
you
planning
on
coming
to
The
Fringe
board
that
maybe
maybe
we
do
a
joint
meeting
at
sort
of
save
everybody
a
whole
lot
of
time.
But
I
would
encourage
you
to
also
come
to
the
golf.
H
I
will
it's
quite
interesting
that
meeting
because
of
the
how
we
operate,
but
it's
they
do
a
really
good
job
to
appreciate
all
of
the
the
work
that
those
commission
members
contribute.
B
C
E
I
Ask
him
how
we're
asking
the
council
so
again
thank
you,
Amy
and
I
I
understand
the
I
mean
I,
understand
the
importance
of
everybody's
position.
It's
valuable.
You
know,
but
I.
The
thing
that
I'm
most
concerned
with
is
is
the
pay
increase
going
to
solve
the
problem?
Is
it
going
to
solve
our
staffing
issue?
You
know.
I
Obviously
we
none
of
us
know
that
I
mean
it's
certainly
a
tool
and
it's
going
to
help,
and
you
know
it
we're
definitely
coming
up
to
a
place
where
you
know
the
rest
of
the
market
is,
but
is
it
gonna
going
to
solve
the
Staffing
issue?
So
more
of
what
I
mean
by
you
know
increasing
pay
in
those
specific
positions,
I
mean
you
know,
I've
talked
about
it
before
trash
and
ditches
I
mean
we
have
16
environmental
service
workers,
I
mean
for
the
entire
city
of
Charleston
right
for
150,
000
citizens,
I
mean
I,
I.
I
Think
there's
something
to
be
said
that
you
know
this
is
a
department
that
you
know
in
the
interim
needs
help.
I.
Think
someone
mentioned
at
the
last
meeting
that
you
know
this.
Is
we
don't
know
what
we're
headed
into
next
year?
I
mean
we
have
no
idea
so
I
just
think.
Are
we
we
kind
of
have
to
be
proactive
about
that
as
well,
so
I
guess
what
I
am
asking?
I
Would
it
be
appropriate
or
useful
to
maybe
see
a
proposed
budget
that
shows
an
increase
in
pay
for
positions
that
are
desperately
needed
to
operate
our
Municipal
Services
and
then
you
know,
begin
investigating
the
pay
study.
A
Like
I
said,
you
could
do
that
I
and
nobody
can
say
whether
this
is
going
to
solve
our
problems
because
I,
don't
I
mean
it's
not
going
to
make
them
worse.
I,
don't
think
because
we
we
just
have
a
big
problem.
I
think
if
we
don't
do
some
type
of
bigger
pay
increase
for
all
the
city,
employees
we're
just
going
to
lose
more
employees.
A
We
could
do
what
you're
suggesting
but
you're
kind
of
jeopardizing
the
rest
of
the
the
city's
staff,
who
you
know
that
I
think
would
exasperate
our
problems
in
terms
of
not
having
enough
Staffing
to
get
our
city
services
done
and
I
understand.
What
you're
saying.
That's.
A
Why
we're
hoping
that
this,
this
bigger
pace,
pay
plan
change,
will
get
us
more
to
where
we
need
to
be
Citywide
in
comparison
to
all
of
our
counterparts
and
then
have
this
compensation
study
done
so
I
can
look
at
all
the
pay
grades
and
make
sure
that
everybody's
appropriately
graded
but
you're
right
I
mean
I.
Don't
know
that
we
won't
still
have
some
issues
in
some
grades
with
some
some
some
of
the
positions,
but
if
this
goes
through,
then
we
can
at
least
look
at
those
positions
that
are
our
hardest
to
fail.
A
B
Thank
you,
councilmember
Appel,.
E
G
On
mute
there
and
councilmember
Parker
the
questions
that
you're
asking
right
now
are
the
same
questions
that
I
and
many
others
were
asking
back
in
2020
in
2021,
when
we
first
got
on
the
council,
they're
great
questions
and
and
sort
of
the
shorthand
understanding
that
I've
been
working
with
ever
since,
and
please
more
experienced
council
members
and
Amy
jump
all
over
me
if
I'm
wrong
here
is
that
when
you're
talking
about
pay
increases
to
the
staff,
the
police
and
fire
department
are
so
enormous
relative
to
everybody
else
that
if
you
want
to
fund
the
pay
increase
for
the
for
the
First
Responders
you're,
just
talking
about
a
relatively
de
minimis
amount,
once
you
start
going
into
the
other
departments,
because
they're
just
so
small
relative
to
the
size
of
police
and
fire,
then
you
throw
public
service
if
you
want
other
Public
Service
into
police
and
fire
and
and
say
that
those
are
the
I
I,
don't
wanna
set
a
hierarchy
here
about
who's
important
who's,
not
important,
but
you
mentioned
trash
pickup
garbage
pickup
things
of
that
nature.
G
You
just
get
to
the
point
where
you
want
to
fund
those
increases.
We
want
to
fund
our
Police
Department,
want
a
fire
fire
department
want
to
fund
our
public
service
department,
you're
just
playing
a
game
of
small
Bubble
at
that
point,
when
you're
picking
out
other
departments
after
after
that
point.
E
G
Doesn't
it's
not
going
to
prevent
a
tax
increase?
In
other
words,
so
that's
sort
of
a
shorthand
that
I
came
to
when
it
comes
to
this
I
think
we've
got
to
fund
all
of
our
city
staff,
First
Responders
public
service
that
everybody
else
vacancies
are
a
product
to
pay
I.
Don't
think
you
need
to
hire
a
consultant
or
get
an
expert
involved
to
tell
you
that,
and
you
know
the
last
time
we
all
got
on
a
budget
ad
hoc
call.
G
We
were
talking
about
a
five
mil
increase,
we're
now
down
to
a
proposed
three
mil
increase,
which
is
a
very
minimal
property
tax
increase
for
four
percent
primary
residences,
you're
talking
tens
of
dollars
per
the
vast
majority
of
people.
So
we're
not
talking
about
some
sort
of
like
crushing
property
tax
increase
for
anybody.
Nobody
wants
to
raise
property
taxes,
but
you
know
you
know
it's:
it's
a
it's
a
small
price
to
pay
to
fund
our
Police
Department
Fire,
Department,
Public,
Service,
folks
and
everybody
else
in
the
city.
G
So
we
can
provide
the
level
and
quality
of
services
that
our
constituents
demand
and
dessert.
H
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
the
next
meeting
of
the
municipal
golf
course
commission
is
December
15th.
H
To
respond
to
councilmember
Parker's
question,
which
is
a
very
good
question:
councilmember
Parker
and
a
very
good
point
that
you're
bringing
up
and
I
just
want
to
coach
out
a
little
bit
with
the
councilman
just
meant
to.
We
have
gone
through
this
exercise
before
to
some
extent.
H
One
thing
that
I
think
we
have
to
be
very
careful
with
is
that
we
have
this
tendency
of
dividing
our
employees
into
sworn
and
non-sworn
categories,
and
we've
made
some
adjustments
to
the
sworn
as
opposed
to
The
Untold,
the
non-sworn
employees,
but
you've
got
to
as
an
equity
issue
on
this
as
well
and
I.
Think
councilmember
Gregory
brought
this
up,
but
let's
talk
about
Merit
increases
and
now
we
talked
about
bonuses
as
well,
but
you've
got
to
treat
the
city.
H
Employees
and
all
employees
are
sort
of
out
of
the
same
spoon
analogy
that
you
you
treat
people
when
you
treat
employees
and
make
sure
that
you're
coming
across
the
board
and
not
categorizing
one
Department
as
being
more
important
than
or
maybe
more
attention
than
another
department,
all
important
anything.
H
We
do
in
the
City
of
Charleston
the
services
that
we
provide
to
councilman
Palace
Point
are
basic
services
that
we
provide
to
our
community
and
to
our
citizens,
and
while
other
agencies
and
organizations
and
corporations
are
feeling
the
same
kind
of
pinch
that
we
are
with
this,
this
issue
of
having
enough
bodies
to
to
do
our
job.
Our
situation
is
just
a
little
bit
more
unique
because
folks
are
able
to
go
into
the
private
Tech
and
leave
Public
Service.
They
have
different
benefits
and
different
motivation.
That's
what's
out
available
to
them!
H
So
good
point
good
question
to
ask
and
bring
up
appreciate
the
discussion
on
that.
But
I
think
it's
very
important
thing
that
we
make
sure
that
we're
we're
treating
all
of
our
employees
as
equally
as
possibly
can
in
making
sure
that
we're
not
simply
not
one
Department
over
another
right.
F
Thank
you,
Mr
Man,
again,
I
sign
on
with
my
other
colleagues
councilman
Parker.
We.
E
F
There
with
you,
when
we
first
came
on
with
some
of
those
similar
questions,
the
council,
member
Pell
and
Jay.
That
is
correct,
but.
F
So
we
had
a
tax
increase
last
year,
Council
lady
Parker
of
three
Mills,
and
then
we
came
back
and
gave
the
Lost
Revenue,
which
gave
her
credit
and
all
the
citizens
in
the
City
of
Charleston
paid
less
than
property
taxes
in
22
than
they
did
in
2021
and
the
probability
is
no
guarantee.
But
the
probability
is
with
this
three
mil
property
tax
increase
and
the
lost
Revenue
going
back
has
contemplated.
F
A
A
F
What
does
it
cost
to
so
police
and
fire.
F
That's
my
point:
in
other
words,
if
you
took
all
the
property
taxes
collected
across
the
entire
city
of
Charleston,
it
would
not
be
enough
to
pay
just
for
police
and
fire,
and
then
you
go
and
put
sanitation
on
top
of
it.
So
it
is
the
diverse
stream
of
Revenue
that
the
city
gets
that
enable
these
services
to
be
delivered.
I
was
shocked
when
I
found
out
when
I
first
came
on
Council
and
I
found
out
that
you
mean
all
the
property
taxes
that
we
all
pay
into.
F
So
it
is
again
the
diverse
stream
of
Revenue
parking,
Revenue
business
license
Revenue
Enterprise
areas,
obviously
accommodation
taxes,
H
Tax
age
tax
and
a
couple
with,
and
the
fees
that
as
a
Confluence
comes
together
to
pay
for
literally
pay
for
the
running
City.
But
I'll
and
I
want
to
share
one
other
thing.
We
have
a
very
new
Recruitment
and
I'm
gonna.
Do
like
Dragnet
I'm
gonna,
try
to
protect
the
names
and
protect.
E
F
Innocent,
a
very,
very
good
employee
that
works
in
in
one
of
our
server
series,
I'm
gonna,
just
say,
sanitation
or
storm
water,
obviously
needed
areas.
Recently,
Department
had
told
me
this
person
was
leading
and
I
was
I.
Was
man
I
hate
to
lose
that
person
and
the
person
is
going?
We
have
14
municipalities
in
the
state
of
South,
Carolina
I
mean
in
the
county
of
Charleston
14
different
municipalities,
I
believe
14
or
15.,
and
this
person
is
going
to
the
I
would
say
the
the
13th
smallest
municipalities
than
the
city
of
child.
F
So
this
person
is
leaving
the
largest
municipality
to
take
a
job
in
the
13th
largest
municipality.
A
similar
position
for
pay
raise
and
I'm
saying.
How
can
how
can
this
13th,
the
smallest
municipality
in
the
city
of
and
the
county
of,
Charleston
pay
this
person
more
than
with
the
largest
cities
being
now
with
our
pay
raise
this
person
in
January?
If
this
passes
in
here
will
then
be
paid
more
and
what
this
department
head
is
doing
is
trying
to
get
that
employee
to
hang
in
there
until
January.
F
So
not
only
hopefully
we
try
to
get
new
recruits
in,
but
we're
having
a
struggle,
maintaining
the
people
we
got
without
this
theories
we'll
be
in
dire
strait.
If
shame
on
us
and
I
mean
chairman
on
13
of
us.
If
this
this
doesn't
happen
so
yeah.
F
E
B
All
right,
we
hadn't
had
a
request
to
go
into
the
executive
session.
Was
there
anything
else
before
we
do
that.
H
What
one
quick,
Point,
Mr
Mayor
I
think
that
just
need
to
reiterate,
because
we
this
happened
to
us
before
our
budget
is
based
on
what
I
think
is
it's
a
very
good
projection
that
Amy's
office
provides
us
and
if
these
rejections
go
higher
than
anticipated,
we
have
a
cut
off
point
I,
think
in
September
Amy
before
we
have
to
actually
implement
the
any
Village
increase.
H
If
we,
if
we
see
our
Revenue
better
than
we
anticipated
an
actual
income
already
in,
we
can
make
adjustments
on
on
military
right
am
I
correct
on
that
Amy.
So.
A
H
So
I
mean
listen.
The
good
news
is
depending
how
the
economy
is
is
turning
out
and
business
license,
fees
may
be
higher,
other
fees
may
be
higher,
so
there
is
a
there's,
always
a
like
Silver
Lining,
before
we
have
to
make
the
final
decision
of
sending
that
down.
A
So
with
we
normally
just,
we
would
set
the
millage
of
what
we
budgeted.
We
don't
typically
do
anything
different
than
that.
Unless
we
came,
we
would
have
to
come
to
council
for
that.
A
H
I
A
Well,
we
don't
have
it
as
high
as
we
did
in
and
well
I
guess
we
kept
it
about
the
same.
So
six
million
dollars
is
what
we
budgeted
for
2023..
Thank.
I
You
thank
you
and
then
my
last
question
have
we,
so
you
told
me
at
the
workshop
that
you
we
purchased
fuel.
So
it's
like.
We
have
a
fuel
contract
and
that's
how
you
budget
for
it
correct.
We.
I
A
I,
don't
know
exactly
so:
we
we
increased.
The
dollar
amount
that
we
budget
per
gallon
for
fuel
and
2023,
based
on
what
we
went
through
in
2022.
I
B
You
know
we,
we
were
short
this
past
year,
because
prices
went
up
so
even
above
our
conservative
estimate,
because
of
the
war
Ukraine
I
think
is
really
what
caused
it.
But
you
know
we,
we
feel
pretty
comfortable
that
we're
hopeful
at
least
that
prices
aren't
going
to
be
any
more
next
year
than
they
were
this
year
and
that
essentially
correct
Amy
yeah.
A
So
we
did
increase
the
dollar
again,
so
we
normally
do
350..
We
did
do
four
dollars,
but
we
did
look
at
you
message
and
everything
to
see
if
we
could
cut
back
on
the
usage
to
cut
that
number
back
a
little
bit.
So
we
did
doing
it
out
an
analysis
of
that,
but.
E
E
I
C
Mr
Mayor
can
we
consider
using
the
ad
hoc
committee
the
budget
at
how
committee,
as
the
ad
hoc
committee,
to
review
the
fees
as
well.