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Ad Hoc Budget Advisory Committee 11/30/2022
A
Amen,
thank
you
so
we're
here
to
talk
about
projects
for
a
little
bit
our
Capital
Improvement
plan,
and
it's
something
that's
a
work
in
progress.
It
seems
like
all
the
time
something's
coming
in
or
we
find
funding
for
something
else
and
we're
able
to
do
it,
but
to
the
best
of
our
knowledge.
This
is
where
we
are
right
now
and
Amy.
Let
me
turn
it
over
to
you
and
go
over
the
thing
and
Jason
cronsberg
is
on
on
the
line
and
Edmund
most
so
as
we
let's
go
through
the
whole
thing.
B
A
A
C
B
So
we'd
have
to
update
some
costs-
some
that
was
one
of
the
things
we
were
working
on
since
August
or
maybe
fire
station.
We
had
to
add
an
additional
six
million
dollars
to
that
project
because
the
unforeseen
soil
conditions
and
just
the
increased
costs
and
construction
Mulberry
Park.
We
were
still
waiting
on
a
good
estimate
for
that.
B
So
we've
got
that
at
562,
000
Waypoint
Garden
change
a
little
bit
and
Jason
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
on
this,
but
there's
additional
funding
for
the
South
battery
walking
path,
because
the
neighborhood
is
contributing
some
funding
to
that
and
thirty
five
thousand
dollars.
So
we
added
just
a
little
bit
of
hospitality
to
that
project
to
get
that
portion
of
the
project
done
and
then
the
white
Point
Garden
restrooms.
We
added
an
additional
amount,
a
hundred
thousand
to
cover
the
full
cost
of
that
as
well.
B
B
This
does
not
include,
obviously
any
help
from
the
friends
of
the
muni.
This
is
the
city
covering
this
full
cost
all
right
and
then
additional
highlights
we're.
Also
looking
at
the
king
Hawaii
fire
station
at
station
20.
That
will
be
replacing
the
rental
that
we
have
over
there
just
because
of
soil
conditions,
and
you
know
when
we're
working
on
this
project
for
a
long
time,
we
feel
like
we're,
probably
going
to
need
probably
four
and
a
half
to
five
million
dollars
additional
for
this
project.
B
D
B
A
I
believe
they
they
have
some
additional
funds.
You
know
they
have
a
more
projects.
They
want
to
do
at
the
golf
course
and
there's
going
to
be
more
projects
and
there's
money.
So
if
we
can
pay
for
the
bathrooms
completely,
this
way
is
Amy's
proposing.
Then
then
we
can
use
the
funds
that
the
uni
friends
in
Muni
has
for.
For
what
comes
next
I
know
they
want
to
talk
about
some
improvements
to
the
clubhouse
eventual
replacement.
There
was
and
councilmember
Appel
you
might
know,
what's
on
their
list
next,
so
to
speak.
Mayor.
E
They
have
a
it's
Rick,
they
have
a
a
a
pavilion
that
they
want
to
build
at
the
ninth
hole
that
will
provide
some
space
for
teaching
for
young
kids
is
also
have
some
ability
to
rent
out
and
to
have
some
restroom
opportunities
there
as
well.
So
they've
got
they've,
got
that
and
I
think
they
have
close
to
about
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
in
the
bank.
Yeah.
D
And
I'm
familiar
with
that
I
mean
I'm
on
the
golf
commission,
there's
also
an
improvement
to
the
to
what
Rick
just
mentioned.
The
improvements
to
the
intersection
they
are.
The
councilman
mappale
I
know
is
very
much
aware
of
off
of
Gulf
View
that
they're
working
on
too
so,
which
is
fine
I.
It
there's
a
lot
of
issues
that
they're
working
on
a
very
active
commission
by
the
way
in
a
very
active
friends
of
the
muni
I.
D
C
Yes
mayor,
while
bradham's
not
on
this
list,
I
just
wanted
to
compliment
what
councilman
Appel
just
said
about
improving
the
parks
and
the
amount
of
parks
that
we're
going
to
have
on
James,
Island
and
I.
Just
think
that
Bradham
would
be
just
another
opportunity
to
do
the
same
thing.
I
know
that's
down
the
line,
but
I
just
wanted
to
to
to
to
make
sure
that
I
mentioned
that,
as
he
mentioned,
all
the
Great
Park
opportunities
we
have
on
the
island.
Great
thank.
G
B
G
Miller
before
you
leave
that,
oh
sorry,
I
can't
remember
where
listen
I
I
compliment
all
you
guys,
because
we,
you
know
District
Seven
is
an
interior
District.
So
we
don't
have
access
to.
You
all
have
heard
me
say
this
before
to
the
water
so
anytime,
any
y'all
have
Parks
that's
going
to
be
built
towards
the
Waterway
I
want
to
thank
you
on
behalf
of
everybody
in
District
Seven,
because
we're
gonna
come
and
enjoy
it.
G
E
D
E
D
G
Peter
help
me
out
on
this
one
of
the
things
that
and
and
thanks
Mr
Men
everybody
else
Amy
for
stepping
up
on
this
restroom
thing
and
kind
of
putting
it
too,
and
because
some
of
those
guys
that
said,
it
was
kind
of
like
a
non-staller
raising
money
for
the
restroom.
To
your
point
Rick,
you
said
they
had
some.
You
know
400
000
monies
towards
the
Pavilion,
any
momentum
on
getting
that
started
sooner
rather
than
later.
E
B
Okay,
oops
sorry,
so
we
talked
about
fire
station
20
and
then
St
Julian
Devine.
It's
been
on
this
plan.
I
think
we
just
need
to
make
a
decision
on
how
we
proceed.
It's
been
a
couple
years
since
we
really
had
any
discussion
on
that
and
so
we're
getting
an
updated
cost
estimate
on
the
repair
or
removal
of
the
stack.
B
So
we
can
move
forward
with
that
project
as
well,
and
then
we
adjusted
to
some
of
the
estimated
dates
that
some
of
the
projects
will
occur
just
based
on
more
accurate
timeline
of
when
they
can
happen.
Basically,
on
our
current
workload,
so
you'll
see
some
of
the
expenses
happen
in
a
little
bit
later
than
what
we
initially
had
shown.
You
in
July
or
August
I
mean
sorry.
B
G
B
H
Yeah
sure
so
you
know
when
we
originally
looked
at
a
number
of
different
sites
on
John's
Island.
You
know
we
don't
do
due
diligence
where
we
do
soil
borings
at
all
these
different
sites,
we're
looking
to
see
if
the
property
is
large
enough
to
accommodate
the
program.
In
this
case
it's
a
three
Bay
three
operators-
Bay
Fire
Station,
but
we
look
at
buffers
setbacks.
H
So
down
about
18
feet,
the
soils
are
absolutely
terrible.
So
you
know
this
is
a
critical
piece
of
infrastructure
here
and
there's
no
way
that
we
could
have
known
this
unless
we
spent
a
lot
of
money
doing
due
diligence
at
all
these
different
sites.
So
the
structural
engineer
is
requiring
that
we
do
this,
a
pile
supported
structure,
but
not
just
the
structure
itself,
but
also
like
the
approach
aprons,
because
if
we
were
to
have
a
seismic
event,
you
know
the
ground
around.
H
The
facility
could
also
drop
and
the
apparatus
would
be
stuck
inside
the
facility
be
protected,
but
it
would
be
stuck
because
the
ground
below
it
would
have
settled
so
you
know,
we've
talked
about
a
number
of
different
ways
to
do
cost
savings
on
this,
and
you
know
we're
confident
that
we
can
cut
some
costs.
But
you
know
really
the
last
time
that
we've
bid
projects
out.
We
had
this
big
mass
of
capital
projects
in
the
last
five
years,
so
the
last
time
we
really
had
anything
out
to
bid
was
was
really
in
2019.
H
So
everything
that's
transpired
over
the
last
two
and
a
half
years.
You
know
all
this
escalation
and
inflation,
and
these
numbers
are
not
going
to
come
back
down
we're
seeing
the
result
of
that
right
now
from
when
we
originally
put
together
a
cost
estimate
for
this
for
this
facility,
as
well
as
both
20
and
23.,.
B
G
G
B
The
other,
the
other
right
Edmond,
so
the
other
parts
of
this
too,
is
it'll,
be
three
bays
and
it'll
have
a
little
bit
it'll,
be
a
little
bit
larger
stay
suit
as
well,
because
that's
it'll
be
the
main
station
on
John's
Island
for
us
as
well.
So
it's
a
it
has
a
little
bit
more
like
a
community
room
in
it
for
for,
like
you
know,
one
place
for
us
to
Stage
people
on
John's
Island.
A
C
J
You
mayor
so
I
can
certainly
speak
to
the
spring
Fishburn
item.
The
original
Target
and
still
the
current
Target
is
20
24
councilman
Gregory.
There
is
certainly
a
potential
for
slide
into
2025,
but
we
wouldn't
expect
to
see
anything
beyond
the
2025
time
period
unless
there's
a
significant
change
to
the
basic
construction
environment.
Again
like
we
saw
in
covet
or
in
a
similar
similar
issue.
Okay,.
J
J
J
A
I
did
want
to
share,
maybe
ask
Edmund
to
to
verify
on
the
Saint
Julian
Divine
improvements.
Yes,
we
we
never
went
to
phase
two
on
that,
but
the
the
phase,
one
that
we
did
complete,
was
the
most
important
in
in
terms
of
safety
and
and
and
making
the
situation
more
safe.
Edmund.
Do
you
want
to
comment
on
that.
H
Yeah,
that's
correct,
I
mean
the
Urgent
things
that
need
to
be
addressed
was
the
liner,
because
there
was
a
concern
of
during
a
seismic
event
that
you
could
have
a
failure
of
that
interior
liner,
and
there
was
the
slight
potential
of
it
having
a
blowout
by
removing
that
that
liner,
we've
eliminated
that
and
stabilized
it,
but
as
our
Engineers
advised
us,
you
know
this.
Is
this?
Isn't
a
long-term
fix?
You
know
that
that
stabilization
still
is
going
to
need
ongoing
maintenance
and
stuff
like
that.
A
A
A
I'm,
just
on
the
list
we
still
plan
to
do
it.
We
got
major
delay
dealing
with
DHEC
about
the
right
for
future
docs,
whether
that
needed
to
be
some
documents
needed
to
come
forward
on
that
I.
Don't
know
if
anybody
with
legal
is
is
on
the
call
or
not,
but
my
understanding
is
in
the
last
few
months
we
kind
of
had
a
breakthrough
with
DHEC
and
actually
see
a
path
forward.
Now
on
being
able
to
do
it
is,
is
that
essentially
correct
admin.
H
Yes,
mayor,
it
is
I,
do
think
you
know
with
how
much
time
that's
passed.
We
need
to
go
back
and
reassess
those
the
the
funding
on
that
as
well,
and
make
sure
that
we
understand
what
the
current
program
is,
because
the
neighborhood
had
some
conflicting
ideas
versus
what
we
were
planning
for
in
the
program.
So
we
just
need
to
circle
the
wagons
again
and
figure
out
what
that
path
forward
is
and
then
reassess
the
funding
on
that
I.
C
You
know
just
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there
yeah,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
crabbers
and
Fishers
in
this
community,
as
you
know,
that
have
been
harassed,
just
to
sort
of
go
out
there
and
and
and
and
take
a
look,
so
you
so
the
quicker
we
can
get
this
together.
The
better
I
hope,
I,
hope,
I
hope
we
can
see
it
before.
A
It
predated
me.
Yes,
like
I,
said
I
I,
believe
we
on
the
legal
side.
We
had
a
breakthrough
recently
and
and
I
hear
you
Edmund,
but
but
from
what
I
recall,
there
was
only
so
much
that
D
heck
was
going
to
allow
us
to
build,
and
it
may
not
be
as
much
as
what
some
of
the
folks
wanted
there,
but
if
DHEC
will
only
allow
us
to
build
so
much,
that's
all
we
can
build
so
I
think
we
just
need
to
proceed
with
that.
A
H
G
B
G
G
C
G
A
I
I've
told
you
before
I
I
believe
that
project
should
be
on
on
the
top
of
close
to
the
top
of
the
list,
certainly
within
the
first
batch
of
of
projects
that
we
fund
out
of
the
master
plan,
and
then
it's
just
a
matter
of
Jason.
How
long
does
that
take
to
engineer
and
and
and
Bill,
probably
three
years,
yeah.
I
G
See
that's
the
thing
I'm
looking
at
one
of
one
of
the
things
I
well
I'm,
thinking
about
it!
Why
don't
we
renovate
the
pool
that
we
have
now
I
know
you
may
need
more
space,
but
to
me
instead
of
moving
that
pool
all
the
way
back
to
the
football
field,
extended
infrastructure,
Water
and
Sewer
lines,
drainage
line,
Etc
back
in
that
department.
I
G
Well
then,
we'll
tear
it
down
and
rebuild
it
in
the
similar
site.
I,
don't
I,
don't
if
it's
hard
for
me
to
comprehend
that
you're
going
to
extend
the
underground
infrastructure
that
far
back
and
the
cost
not
not
be
an
additional
cost,
as
opposed
to
building
it
with
some
of
that
infrastructure
that
already
existing.
I
A
You
know
a
full
50
meters
going
in
One
Direction
and
then
an
adjunct
pool.
You
know
for
water,
aerobics
and,
and
that
kind
of
thing
on
the
side,
in
other
words,
make
it
much
more
of
an
Aquatic
Facility.
There's
only
so
much
you
can
do
be
it
renovated
or
rebuild
where
it
is
right
now,
because
of
the
the
way
it
was
laid
out
and
the
amount
of
space
there.
So
so
that
was
a
big
consideration
as
well.
G
I'd
definitely
like
to
look
at
a
couple
of
plan
B's
on
that,
because
the
reality
is
because
we
know
it's
going
to
be
longer
than
three
years:
okay
and-
and
you
probably
have
I,
don't
know
man,
1100
1500
homes
between
East
Oakland
cars
and
the
surrounding
neighborhoods-
that's
been
going
there
for
over
40
years
and
they
just
deserved
better
than
it.
That's
all
I'm,
just
saying
we'll.
A
B
So
some
of
what
we
will
do
at
that
Workshop
is
kind
of
look
at
the
plan
as
it
is
and
what
things
we've
already
got
started
and-
and
that
will
help
prioritize
as
well,
because
there's
definitely
things
that
we
can
do
on
a
pay-as-you-go
basis
right
that
wouldn't
require
a
bomb.
But
some
of
these
larger
big
projects,
we
definitely
would
have
to
get
a
bond
to
do
those.
E
A
What's
left
of
it
I
guess
you'd
say
we
took
two
or
so
million
dollars
of
the
mitigation
funds
and
it
went
to
either
James
Lewis
or
Grace
Holmes
I
forget
which
one
and
but
this
was
the
balance
of
what
was
left
and
I.
Think
we'll
we'll
have
to
supplement
it
with
Tiff
funding
to
to
get
it
back
up
to
get
the
project
done,
but.
C
I
but
I
thought
that
what
we
had
concluded
was
as
the
hugee
street
Corridor
continues
to
develop,
that
we
would
attempt
to
place
that
cost
on
the
developers
and
that
we
would
then
be
able
to
use
the
entire
Federal
mitigation
dollars
for
affordable
housing.
I
thought
we
had
had
that
discussion
at
some
point.
A
A
A
A
B
K
Thank
you
afternoon,
everybody
so,
as
Amy
said,
there's
a
group
of
City
staff.
That's
been
working
with
the
government
performance
lab
with
Barbara
Bloomberg,
Kennedy,
Business
School
on
a
procurement,
excellent
track.
It's
a
year-long
project
and
the
first
module
which
has
been
about
three
months.
We've
we've
been
working
and
we
are
one
of
many
cities
we're
in
a
cohort
that
also
includes
Baltimore
and
Detroit.
K
We
have
been
going
through
a
few
exercises,
including
mapping
our
procurement
process
to
identify
pain
points,
we've
done
about
a
dozen
interviews
with
various
City
staff,
about
the
process
and
challenges,
and
we
created
an
implementation
plan
to
try
to
address
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
and
and
obviously
I.
Don't
think
this
is
a
common
sense,
any
surprise
to
anyone.
But
the
biggest
challenge
we
heard
was
the
timing
and
delays
of
the
procurement
process
can
cause
and
what
what
can
we
do
to
try
to
speed
up
some
things?
K
And
one
thing
that
was
obviously
identified
and
probably
the
biggest
most
impactful
thing
that
we
thought
we
could
do
with
just
a
policy
change
that
could
speed
the
process
along
was
increase.
Our
formal
competitive
bid
threshold,
which
is
currently
at
thirty
thousand
dollars
we
went
through.
We
worked
with
the
GPL
team.
They
provide
us
some
information
on
what
some
other
cities
around
the
country
do.
We
know
what
a
previous
Novak
Consulting
study
had
looked
at.
K
We
also
went
back
and
talked
to
our
other
local
jurisdictions,
again:
Charleston
County,
Berkeley,
County,
Mount,
Pleasant,
North,
Charleston
and
and
what
we
found
is
our
thresholds
are
lower
than
almost
everybody,
there's
very
few
exceptions
to
where
our
threshold
is
higher
and
and
those
instances
where
our
thresholds
are
higher,
there's
other
things
in
their
process
that
allows
them
to
move
a
little
bit
faster,
like,
for
example,
the
city
of
Detroit.
You
know
their
their
threshold
was
around
twenty
thousand
dollars,
but
the
city
of
Detroit
Council
meets
every
single
week,
so
they're
constantly
approving
procurement
issues.
K
What
we
found
was
a
pretty
common
theme
was
that
the
threshold
was
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
the
vast
majority
of
cities.
So
what
we
wanted
to
talk
about
and
present
to
the
ad
hoc
committee
for
consideration
was
whether
or
not
we
could
look
at
moving
our
current
procurement
threshold
to
100
000
and
bring
that
with
your
support,
bring
that
before
Council
there's,
obviously,
some
other
adjustments
to
the
policy
that
we
would
need
to
make
and
some
thresholds
to
go
along
with
that.
K
K
Yes,
one
thing
so,
as
you
can
see
right
now,
those
are
our
current
spending
limits
per
our
procurement
policy.
One
thing,
as
I
said
that
we
kind
of
have
some
impact
triple
down.
Currently
small
Professional
Services
contract
are
fifty
thousand
dollars.
Obviously
anything
over
40
goes
to
council,
but
50
requires
the
selection
committee
and
Council
particip
councilman
participation.
K
K
So
obviously,
they're
still
you're
still
going
to
have
to
make
calls
you're
still
gonna,
depending
upon
the
amount
there's
other
amounts
and
kind
of
our
basic
amounts.
We're
not
going
to
change
they're
still
going
to
be
times
where
you're
going
to
have
to
get
three
verbal
quotes
or
three
written
quotes.
Those
thresholds
for
what
those
are
really
ultimately,
what's
going
to
adjust,
it's
the
council,
it's
the
council
approval
and
the
formal
solicitation
of
really
we're
changing
or
requesting
to
change.
K
So,
as
you
can
see
on
the
presentation
right
now,
those
are
our
current
limits
on
the
left,
with
this
change
that
we're
requesting
and
how
this
would
kind
of
play
out
through
our
entire
policy.
This
is
this
is
the
request
we
would
like
to
ad
hoc
budget
committee
to
consider
and
allow
us
and
supporting
it,
taking
it
to
full
Council
for
consideration.
D
Yeah
well
just
to
sort
of
take
these
small
professional
servicemen,
for
example.
How
often
how
many?
What
are
we
talking
about,
and
you-
and
you
mentioned
the
super
users
like
the
stormwater
and
capital
projects,
how
many,
on
a
annual
basis,
do
we
have
from
stormwater
that
are
over
50
000?
That
slows
down
the
process
that
we've
been
dealing
with.
D
Listen
you
talk
about
it,
but
you
know
the
cost
of
doing
business
with
with
contractors
are
have
gone
up
significantly.
It
doesn't
take
a
whole
lot
of
of
of
a
project
to
spend
fifty
thousand
dollars
or
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
I
understand
all
of
that
and
I
appreciate
that,
but
I'd
like
to
get
more
of
a
sense
of
what
we're
dealing
with
on
a
more
empirical
basis
before
we
go
forward
with
it
sure.
K
Think
what
I
would
say
in
response
I
think
I
think
there
is
the
the
number
and
we
have
60
active,
Capital
Improvement
Prime
projects
right
now.
I
think
this
gives
you
the
volume
of
projects.
If
you
have
at
least
one,
if
not
more
of
these
and
understand
you
have
you
have
small
professional
service
contracts
that
are
going
to
be
even
outside
the
CIP
and
I
think
what
the
the
other
issues
or
consideration
is
by
limiting
the
number
of
times
you
have
to
do
this.
K
You
can
be
cutting
months
month
to
months
off
of
the
process
from
a
time
time
frame
perspective.
So
when
we
talk
about
or
hear
quite
frequently
about,
why
is
it
taking
a
project
so
long?
How
can
we
speed
this
up
red
tape,
things
of
that
matter?
This
is
one
tool
in
our
toolkit
that
we
can
use
to
help
speed
those
projects
up.
G
G
K
L
Thank
you,
man,
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
hear
my
name
council
member,
that
that's
just
the
maximum
amount
that
they
can
use
this
IDC
contracts.
If
we
chose
to
move
it
I
think
we
adjusted
those
a
couple
years
ago
for
stormwater
and
right.
If
we
wanted
to
go
higher
than
750,
we
could
certainly
do
that.
That's
just
the
top
end
that
they
can
spend
in
a
contract
for
some
of
their
work
projects
and
back
to
the
time
issue.
An
example
of
where
we
could
have
saved
some
time
was.
G
L
Yeah
and
council
member
shade
I
went
back
and
I
started
going
through
the
agenda
sheets.
That
I
took
the
council
for
this
year
and
only
made
it
through
April
and
I.
Don't
have
it
in
front
of
him,
I
didn't
break
it
down.
I
didn't
count
it
up
because
I
didn't
finish
it,
but
Council
wouldn't
have
missed
very
as
much
as
I
expected
and
I
can
certainly
go
through
that
process
and
go
for
the
last
year
and
I
can
tell
you
if
we
changed
it
from
30
to
100.
L
D
F
Let
me
let
me
put
on
the
table
a
concrete
example
of
this
issue
in
action
and
I'm
almost
positive
I'm
right
about
this.
But
if
I'm,
not
please,
someone
in
the
know
correct
me,
post
Ian,
storm
removal,
debris
issue
right,
we
were,
you
know
down
multiple,
you
know
folks,
and
we
didn't
have
all
the
equipment
we
needed,
so
we
needed
to
hire
contractors.
It's
my
understanding
that
came
to
council
through
the
normal
procurement
process,
because
those
dollar
figures
exceeded
these
thresholds.
F
We
could
have
gotten
storm
of
debris,
picked
up
faster,
had
something
like
this
been
in
place
and
I
think
that's
a
concrete
example
of
how
our
staff
needs
the
kind
of
flexibility
and
tools
at
their
disposal
to
you
know,
get
this
work
done
and
not
go
through
so
much
bureaucracy,
and
it's
not
a
question
of
you
know.
Putting
no
limits
on
anything.
I
mean
you
still
have
to.
F
You
know
get
quotes
and
there's
still
a
netting
process
here,
it's
just
not
having
to
go
through
the
full
rigmarole
and
the
delay
that
comes
with
both
procurement
having
to
come
to
council
and
things
like
that,
and
you
know
so
and
as
frankly,
as
we
all
know,
we've
ever
been
to
a
ways
and
means
committee
meeting
and
things
seemed
to
just
kind
of
fly
through
anyways.
So
it's
not
as
though
there's
painstaking
review
like
Council
over
all
these
adjustments
and
I
dare
say
so,
especially
on
some
of
the
lower
threshold
numbers.
F
A
K
A
So
over
the
next
year,
we'll
we'll
be
bringing
forward
some
other
best
practices
and
changes
that
are
recommended
after
looking
through
everything.
But
but
honestly,
this
this
was
low
hanging
fruit
and,
like
the
easiest
thing
that
they
could
surmise,
that
would
make
us
more
efficient
and
improve
the
process
and
make
it
a
little
more
timely
for
our
departments
and
getting
all
these
projects
done.
That
we
got
on
these
sheets
of
paper,
so
I
mean
councilmember.
Gregory,
yeah
I
never
knew
if
you
had
your
hand
up
new
or
or.
C
It
was
new.
Yes,
sir
I
thought
that
the
example
that
councilman
Ross
Appel
gave
was
a
good
one.
However,
I
think
that's
the
exception.
Okay
and
I
and
I
I
do
think
that
councilman
shade
has
a
legitimate
concern
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
we're
not
operating
in
in
a
vacuum.
Sure
sure,
however,
I
mean
this
is
something.
As
you
know,
mayor
we've
been
discussing
for
the
last
couple
of
years.
Okay,
that
we
should
raise
the
level
to
at
least
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
right,
and
for
me
it's
it's.
C
A
G
Have
it
yeah
I,
do
yeah
I
took
it
back
and
forth
here.
Councilman
Gregory
is
right,
but
let
me
tell
you
how
long
we've
been
talking
about
this
we've
been
talking
about
this.
Just
before
we
started
the
renovations
on
the
low
battery
wall
and
we
now
in
phase
three
okay.
So
all
right,
my
thing
is
I'm
I'm,
okay,
with
raising
it
as
long
as
it
still
comes
in
front
the
council
for
final
approval,
I'm
all
for
the
expedited
process.
D
Mr
me
I,
just
just
wrapped
this
up
as
I
kind
of
threw
this
into
into
our
discussion.
I
I
agree
with
my
colleagues
on
this
thing:
I
mean
yeah.
You
know
the
problem
is
they've
been
doing
this
for
four
months.
This
was
just
given
to
us
and
whatever
we
can
do
to
make
city
government
more
efficient
and
effective
is
always
the
number
one
goal
that
we
should
be
striving
for,
and
there
may
be
some
of
these
limits.
D
We
may
think
that
are
too
low,
I
don't
know,
but
I
just
I
like
councilman,
would
greatly
mentioned.
We
just
need
a
little
more
information
on
how
to
operate
and
we
may
want
to
take
it
with
some
of
the
numbers
of
ourselves.
Beyond
what's
been
recommended
so
and
I
appreciate.
Councilmember
pales
example
I
mean
that
that
was
a
wonderful
example.
D
We
we
need
to
get
the
streets
cleaned
up
and
and
our
roads
taken
care
of
and
our
neighborhoods
cleaned
up
sure,
let's
go
for
it,
make
it
as
fast
as
we
possibly
can,
but
that's
what
that
is,
the
information
I'm
looking
for.
That
is
exactly
the
kind
of
information
I'm
looking
for
what
these
limits
may
or
may
not
involved.
A
Well,
we'll
get
some
more
info
together
and
a
few
more
examples,
and
and
come
back
to
you
like
we're
in
the
midst
of
a
year-long
review
of
of
procurement
from
top
to
bottom.
This
is
the
first
of
even
more
to
come,
so
we
we
needed
to
start
somewhere.
This
is
a
good
good,
starting
point.
I
think
all
right.
B
So,
council,
member
State
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
we
get
exactly
what
you
what
you
want
us
to
get
right.
So
what
Gary
was
doing
is
kind
of
going
through
all
the
agenda
sheets
to
show
what
types
of
contracts
they
were,
how
how
the
dollar
amount?
All
of
that.
So
if
we
got
you
the
total
amount
of
contracts
that
came
to
council
their.
C
A
K
Our
mayor,
there
was
one
additional
slide
that
kind
of
came
out
of
our
previous
conversation.
We
had
had
one
thing
that
arose
with
the
conversation
about
increasing
the
thresholds
was:
was
there
any
Equity
implications
for
any
mwbe
participation?
And
we
had
some
internal
discussions
about
that
as
well?
We
talked
to
some
of
our
neighbors
and
we
actually
learned
that
Charleston
County
actually
has
a
regulation
in
their
procurement
policy.
K
That
says,
and
when
three
quotes
are
required
on
procurements
value
between
ten
thousand
and
a
hundred
thousand
at
least
one
of
these
quotes
must
be
obtained
from
a
certified,
mwb
or
SBE
in
their
case
small
business
Enterprise.
If
at
least
one
exists
in
the
business
category
and
they
Charleston
county,
maintains
a
list
of
certified
firms
that
employees
can
call
when
they
need
to
get
one
of
those
three
quotes.
A
A
G
J
Each
side,
no
it's
it's
actually
much
shorter
than
that
this
year,
relatively
straightforward,
just
as
a
very
brief
reminder
that
I
think
we're
all
familiar.
The
stormwater
Department's
broken
into
three
major
groups
with
project
management,
our
regulatory
program
and
our
field
operations
program,
and
please
stop
me
if
you
would
like
more
detail
on
any
of
these,
but
I
know
we're
all
pretty
familiar
with
this
at
this
point.
J
Obviously,
the
primary
Department
mission
is
to
reduce
the
impact
of
flooding
on
the
city
project
management
right,
we're
appended
goals,
we're
managing
funded
projects
to
mitigate
existing
flood
impacts
for
identifying
and
prioritizing
potential
projects
to
mitigate
again
existing
flood
impacts,
and
we
are
maintaining
the
functionality
of
our
construction
projects
again.
We
do.
We
do
design
projects
with
an
eye
towards
future
conditions,
a
50-year
condition,
but
we're
all
we're
clarifying
is.
J
Protecting
water
quality,
which
is
one
of
our
EPA
missions
as
an
ms4
program
than
operationally,
rehabilitating
or
existing
infrastructure,
making
sure
we're
doing
proactive
system
maintenance
and
then
still
having
a
reactive
issue.
Resolution
program
right.
We
know
Citizen
Services
receives
a
work
request
or
if
we
see
problems
that
we're
able
to
go
out
there
and
fix
them
again
operation
operationally
on
the
the
budget.
This
is
my
very
rough
summarized
view
of
how
we
spend
money
in
the
stormwater
Department.
J
Obviously
you
all
have
a
more
formal
line
item
budget
breakdown,
but
in
in
general
you
can.
You
can
summarize
sorry
the
majority
of
our
expenses,
it's
staff
Personnel
cost
at
around
5.3
million
dollars.
Personal
related
costs-
that's
you
know:
salaries,
overhead
staff,
related
expenses,
support
expenses,
our
equipment
Vehicles.
This
is
owning
and
operating
and
maintaining
1.4
million,
so
that's
purchasing
the
new
equipment,
but
also
the
operation
and
maintenance
of
our
existing
equipment.
J
The
work
we
do
on
the
small
project
allocation,
in-house
construction
efforts
and
then
our
indefinite
delivery
contracts.
We
spend
about
2.4
million
dollars
in
our
typical
budget
on
that
type
of
work,
a
million
of
that
being
small
projects,
the
other
1.4
million,
being
a
combination
of
IDC
work
and
in-house
work,
emergency
repairs
and
pumping
it's
about
five
hundred
thousand
dollars.
That's
basically
anything
we
do
when
we
see
these
sinkholes
develop
around
town
or
or
safety
issues
develop
that
need
to
be
dealt
with
on.
J
Basis
or
the
pumping
that
we
deploy
during
tropical
storm
events
or
heavily
heavy
rainfall
events
predicted
in
the
generally
in
the
fall
Pump
Station
operations
and
maintenance.
This
is
varies
from
a
year
to
year
basis,
but
approximately
200
000
per
year
is
not
unusual
for
our
total
current
operating
and
then
third-party
support.
So
this
is
basically
outside
Consultants
participating
in
stormwater,
plane,
review
and
Design
Services
in
program
management
assistance.
We
normally
budget
that
around
500
000
per
year
in
this
year's
budget,
we've
recommended
adding
some
consistent
annual
expenses.
J
So
these
are
ongoing
expenses
staff
structure
adjustment.
Basically,
that's
what
we've
discussed
at
Council
over
the
last
few
months,
I'm
trying
to
basically
reposition
the
the
pcns,
the
basically
the
structure
of
the
department,
to
account
for
the
the
higher
skill,
the
increase
in
higher
skill
positions
to
operate
construction
equipment
to
operate
mechanize
equipment
as
we're
trying
to
move
into
this
proactive
program,
more
aggressive
maintenance,
rather
than
having
kind
of
a
larger
group
of
basically
unskilled
Viper
doing
you
know,
yard
clearing,
work
and
more
kind
of
the
aesthetic
based
maintenance
work.
J
This
has
been
budgeted
again,
because
this
is
about
what
the
cost
of
the
restructuring
we
had
discussed
would
would
be.
It
hasn't
yet
gone
through
the
process
where
that's
being
implemented.
So
it's
a
it's
a
basically
a
set
aside
budget
item
as
we
work
through
an
implementation
process
with
the
HR
department,
and
then
we've
also
budgeted
for
a
new
plan
review
engineer
and
a
new
inspector.
That's
a
total
of
salary
and
overhead
costs
of
about
160
000
per
year
for
2023.
J
To
basically
do
an
upfit
redesign,
we've
been
collaborating
with
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers,
looking
at
a
potential
cost
matching
from
them
for
the
construction
of
the
work.
If
we
do
the
design
work,
this
is
an
absolutely
guaranteed
to
go
forward,
but
we're
we
want
a
budget
for
the
design
work
in
case
it
does.
It
does
move
forward.
We
do
very
much
need
to
upfit
that
bump
station
as
it
continues
to
have
wear
and
tear
from
getting
older.
J
It
may
be
an
option
here
to
have
basically
again
the
Army
Corps
cover
almost
the
entire
construction
costs.
In
return
for
us
doing,
the
design
work
God's
been
wearing
I
think
you're
familiar
with
this
one.
This
is
our
new
Utility
Billing
System
approach,
where
we
basically
rework
the
billing
system
for
the
city,
which
would
enable
us
to
either
at.
J
Least,
increase
our
efficiency
of
Revenue
collection,
but
also
give
us
the
freedom
to
be
able
to
shift
to
a
county
tax
bill
or
the
the
two
different
County
tax
bills,
with
Charleston
County
and
Berkeley
County.
If
that's
the
option
that
Council
wants
to
move
forward
with,
as
we
finish
this
building
system,
we
think
yeah.
This
is
a
placeholder
cost.
We
expect
this
to
cost
around
250
000.
The
system
really
hasn't
been
redone
from
scratch,
since
the
utility
was
created
in
the
mid
90s.
J
So
it
is
somewhat
aged
right
now,
most
as
you
all
are
aware
of,
we
use
the
CWS
Billing
System.
You
know
their
system
is
also
very
old.
It
actually
runs
on
a
MS-DOS
emulator
on
the
computer
to
give
you
a
sense
of
the
age
of
their
system,
so
they
also
struggle
to
pull
data
out
of
it
they're
looking
to
upgrade
their
system.
They
know
that
they
are
struggling
to
collect
revenue
for
us
as
effectively
as
perhaps
you
could
collect
Revenue,
so
they've
also
recommended.
J
We
look
at
other
options
and
I
think
they're
going
to
do
another
presentation
constantly
wearing
at
the
Public
Works
utilities
committee
next
week.
On
that
yeah,
that's
correct,
so
we
budgeted
in
some
some
funding
we'll
have
again
an
outside
firm
look
at
helping
us
put
that
together.
We
have
to
go
through
another
few
process
and
bring
that
firm
on
board,
but
there's
certainly
a
number
of
different
companies
that
specialize
in
that
kind
of
work.
We
budget
150
000
for
an
office
space
rework.
J
This
is
basically
trying
to
separate
the
storm
water
and
Public
Services
offices
into
their
two
separate
Wings
right
now,
we're
intermingled,
which
has
some
advantages,
but
it's
created
some
challenges
with
desk
space
and
kind
of
the
very
open
Office
format
that
it's
currently
set
up.
As
we
do
have
a
higher
salary
savings
than
usual.
J
This
year
we
did
budget
for
700
000.
We
do
expect
to
start
improving
how
well
we
hire
next
year,
depending
on
how
much
of
the
restructuring
goes
through,
and
certainly,
if
there's
a
substantial
Cola
or
pay
adjustment
this
year.
But
it
will
take
some
time
to
fill
that.
So
that's
where
the
700
000
number
is
coming
in.
We
likely
will
decrease
that
slightly
in
future
budget
years,
2024
and
Beyond.
J
We
do
need
to
be
aware
again.
This
is
not
next
year's
budget,
but
as
we're
looking
at
ongoing
expenses
and
varying
expenses
and
trying
to
balance
all
of
those
to
have
a
sustainable
budget,
we
are
going
to
be
bringing
online
the
Spring
Street,
Pump
Station,
likely
in
2025,
and
then
the
king
and
ug
Pump,
Station,
also
likely
in
2025
or
so
will
be
coming
online.
J
Something
we're
putting
together
a
Capital
maintenance
plan.
Basically,
as
we
speak,
current
challenges
for
the
Department
construction,
inflation
impacts.
I
think
I'll
talk
about
that
during
the
CIP.
We're
all
well
aware
of
what's
been
happening
with
construction,
it's
continuing
to
be
difficult
to
advance
projects
with
the
budgets
that
were
once
thought
to
be
relatively
comfortable.
J
J
So
you
have
to
leave
flexibility
in
your
system
as
a
result,
but
more
flexibility
means
more
uncertainty
and
more
challenge.
The
condition
of
the
existing
pump
stations
I
think
we're
all
again.
We've
talked
about
this
quite
a
bit.
The
Concord
Pump
Station
we're
in
the
design
right
now
we're
actually
getting
together.
The
selection
committee
to
hopefully
hire
a
CMR
Construction
manager
at
risk,
basically
a
construction
firm
to
help
with
the
final
design
work
on
that
station
and
then
be
able
to
move
to
a
guaranteed
maximum
price
and
into.
J
And
then,
as
we've
discussed,
probably
more
than
anyone
wants
to
hear
the
hiring
retaining
positions
with
construction
capabilities,
Engineers,
CDL,
Drivers,
that's
continues
to
be
challenged.
Then
the
last
bullet
which
we
just
touched
on,
was
the
utility
fee
collection
system
trying
to
update
that
that
does
bring
us
to
the
actual
utility
fee.
As
you
look
through
the
existing
budget
that
we've
proposed,
you
do
see
that
we
are
likely
to
need
a
fee
increase
in
order
to
make
the
existing
budget
work.
J
J
J
Where
is
Calvin
the
the
CPI
calculation
for
reference
here
that
ten
dollars
in
January
of
2019,
when
we
last
increased
our
fee
is
equivalent
to
8.45?
Currently,
so,
as
one
of
the
things
you
run
into
is
a
downside
of
a
stormwater
utility
rather
than
a
property
tax,
is
that
a
utility
fee
does
not
adjust
with
inflation
like
property
taxes
or
other
revenue-based
fees.
Do
where
you
see
home
values
increase
with
inflation,
and
therefore
you
see
an
increase
in
Revenue
with
a
utility
fee.
J
Your
fee
is
flat
and
fixed
and
doesn't
adjust
in
any
way
with
inflation,
because
it's
a
fixed
amount
of
money.
So
basically,
every
year
we
basically
take
a
a
high
or
a
revenue
cut
because
of
that
increased
cost
of
inflation,
which
again
has
been
incredibly
challenging
the
last
few
years.
So
the
current
11.75
million
dollars
of
Revenue
back
in
2019
would
have
been
the
equivalent
of
having
9.9
million
dollars
of
Revenue,
which,
as
you
can
see,
it's
almost
two
million
dollars
less
funding
available.
Hence
the
request
for
the
pay
increase
or
the
fee
increase.
J
J
If
we
do
not
have
a
fee
increase,
we
certainly
can
make
the
budget
work
we'd
be
able
to
basically
just
shortfall
on
the
third
party
services
and
IDC
support,
which
are
more
than
that
700
000
in
combination
that
does
slow
down
a
little
bit
on
our
our
permitting
work
and
some
of
our
utility
work.
Obviously,
it
reduces
the
amount
of
cleaning
we
do
with
the
IDC,
which
is
mostly
contracted
pipe
cleaning,
but
it's
not
a
devastating
impact
to
us.
It
just
reduces
a
level
of
service
we're
able
to
provide
to
Residents
and
applicants.
C
J
J
As
you
mentioned,
the
HUD
funding,
for
instance,
is
a
much
more
rigorous
program
where
you
have
to
demonstrate
what
you're
doing
to
bring
in
minority
businesses
and
other
Opera
basically
provide
those
opportunities
and
make
sure
that
you're
documenting
appropriately
what
those
those
companies
are
actually
succeeding
in
providing.
So,
yes,.
F
C
Right
and
I'm
going
I'm
going
a
little
Beyond.
What
you
just
articulated
I
can
go
to.
We
can
even
go
to
Project
Specific
are
any
of
our
projects
benefiting
minority
groups
consistent
with
title
six
are
not
not
minority
groups
specifically,
but
the
underserved
to
to
make
sure
that
you
know
there
are
unintentional
consequences
of
our
projects
that
might
be
having
a
negative
effect
on
certain
populations
is
where
I'm
really
headed
and
that's
just
not
in
in
storm
water.
C
J
C
J
David's
bacon,
the
only
area
that
we
go
beyond
that
is
a
stormwater
Department
is
basically
in
the
way
we
look
at
project
creation
through
the
lens
of
our
prioritization
system.
You
know
one
of
our
one
of
our
quadrants
is
basically
an
equity
lens,
so
we
are
supposed
to
look
at.
How
does
that
project?
Have
an
impact
on
Equity
I?
Think
you
have
a
valid
point
in?
How
do
you
look
at
how
do
the
total
basket
of
all
of
your
Collective
projects?
J
J
Forest
Acres
obviously
is
underway
at
this
point,
we're
trying
to
kind
of
spread
out
into
the
let's
say
the
less
traditional
environments
for
major
capital
projects
in
the
city,
rather
than
looking
what
is
generally
looked
at
right
as
the
traditional
economic
cost
benefit
or
which
an
economic
cost
benefit
you're
going
to
see
a
different
area,
because
you
know
it
directly
ties
to
property
value
basically,
and
we
still
build
some
of
those
projects.
Absolutely
right.
We
have
the
Medical
District
tunnel
extension
project,
which
apparently
also
has
a
very
large
LMI
population
service
area.
J
We
certainly
have
the
low
battery,
which
has
a
kind
of
a
higher
economic
impact,
was,
as
a
result,
paper
Hospitality
fees.
So
you
know
a
short
answer
is
there
is
not
a
formal
program
to
look
at?
How
do
we
implement
it
in
stormwater
across
the
entire
CIP,
but
we
do
evaluate
individual
projects
and
that's
why
you're
seeing
those
improvements
in
which
projects
are
being
funded,
having
more
equity
in
that
that
project
by
project
approach
and.
C
C
G
J
J
If
you
were
to
go
back
to
the
last
time
we
raised
our
fee
or
you
know.
At
that
time
we
were
generating
about
11.75
million
a
little
bit
less,
because
we've
had
a
little
bit
of
an
increase
in
service
area.
So
we've
had
some
additional
properties
come
online.
Well,
it
would
have.
It
would
have
been
as
if
we
had
only
increased
the
fee
back
in
2019
to
9.9
million
I.
G
If
the
CPI
we
increased
in
January
of
19,
when
you're
right,
there
was
inflation
in
2019.,
maybe
it
was
one
percent
and
in
2020
came
in
2021
comes
in
and
took
Valley
in
2022,
where
the
CPI,
with
seven
percent
I'm
thinking
just
to
have
the
equivalent
of
the
purchase
and
found
of
the
2019
dog
I
mean
2019
845.
you're,
looking
at
it
kind
of
like
a
reverse
I
get
that,
but
it
may
be
a
little
bit
more.
In
other
words,
obviously
we
can't
get
done.
J
J
G
G
G
And
it
was
seven
bucks
yeah,
it
shocked
me.
Eighteen,
eight,
seven
bucks!
Well,
those
are
out
there
trying
to
find
a
vac
truck
to
clean
up
that
pipe.
It's
an
individual
Killers
people.
That
kind
of
thing.
So
that's
the
reality.
I
appreciate
it,
I
don't
know,
but
who
did
it
but
I
appreciate
the
editor.
J
And
certainly
correct
me
if
I
Miser
but
I,
think
councilman
was
asking.
If
we
looked
at
that
CPI
and
said
well,
what
increase
would
you
need
in
order
to
make
our
current
fee
equivalent
to
the
fee
we
had
originally
had
in
2019
right
in
that
situation?
You'd
have
to
go
up
to
about
twelve
dollars
per
month,
because
the
last
four
years,
the
CPI
has
been
roughly
20,
the
way
it's
being
calculated
out
so
so
that
would
push
us
to
a
12
per
month,
which
is
about
13.9
million
to
basically
have
the
fee
Cur.
J
A
So,
thank
you
and
you
know
we
we
kind
of
put
off
raising
the
stormwater
fee
council
members,
the
last
few
years.
I
think
we
wanted
to
here,
as
we
did
from
Matt
a
month
or
six
weeks
ago,
at
city
council
about
plans
going
forward
number
one
number
two.
We
wanted
to
get
to
the
point
where
we
address
this
billing
issue
that
we've
been
talking
about
and
and
as
as
you
noted,
Matt
has
put
funding
in
in
next
year's
budget.
J
J
Based
on
the
pay
increases
council's
been
considering
and
some
of
the
internal
structural
adjustments
that
we're
hoping
to
get
approved,
it
will
take
some
time
to
hire
those
people
in
and
train
them
up,
so
that
will
slow
our
spending
I
think
that
within
another
year
or
two,
there
would
likely
need
to
be
another
increase
unless
we
find
that
we
are
able
to
bring
in
much
more
revenue
from
changing
to
those
tax
bills,
which
is
possible,
I
mean
there
is
a
potential
for
that.
We
haven't
done
that
level
of
detailed
work
yet
right.
J
So,
yes,
I
think
we
would
be
okay
for
2023,
but
unless
there
is
a
substantial
increase
in
Revenue,
there
may
need
to
be
another
increase
considered
within
the
next
couple
of
years,
which
again
that's
one
of
the
downsides
of
having
a
non-inflation
adjusted
fee.
Is
you
do
generally
need
to
adjust
it
every
so
often
great
understood.
A
All
right
any
well
I
would,
with
that
in
mind,
I'd
propose
we,
we
proceed
as
you
as
recommended
here,
to
raise
it.
One
dollar
till
we
get
through
next
year
and
I
mean
I
I,
hear
you
loud
and
clear
councilmember,
where
we're
we're
not
really
keeping
up
with
with
reality.
But
if,
if
that's,
what
we
can
really
reasonably
manage
and
spend
next
year,
I
think
that's
a
a
fair
way
to
go.
J
J
J
So
you,
you
could
justify
an
additional
rate
increase
to
try
to
help
close
that
Gap,
basically
and
I'm,
not
certainly
saying
I,
don't
know
enough
to
to
Define
exactly
how
much
it
is
and
I
you
all
know
me:
I
tend
to
be
very
conservative
in
my
budgeting
that
I
only
like
to
propose
when
I'm
actually
going
to
be
able
to
do.
That
is.
That
is
a
certainly
a
point
of
concern
that
that
Ms,
Wharton
and
I
both
have
of
how
are
we
going
to
close
that
financial
gap
council.
G
C
G
G
C
G
C
G
A
Sorry
to
interrupt
you,
but
why
don't
we
do
this?
Just
for
the
sake
of
expediency
and
and
being
able
to
hear
and
understand.
You
ask
Amy
to
chat
with
you,
councilman,
Waring
and
Matt,
to
to
look
at
the
cost
of
funds
for
that
conversion,
and
just
before
we
bring
this
to
council
for
final
approval,
see
if,
if
that's
something
that
we
feel
appropriate
to
cover
in
next
year's
budget,.
G
A
D
So
if
anybody
else
wants
to
join
us,
they're
going
to
go
over
what
some
of
the
plans
they've
gone
in
the
making
for
new
pump
stations
and
how
this
is
impacting
several
neighborhoods
within
District,
nine
and
I've
asked
councilman
we're
here
to
join
me
because
he's
been
at
the
Forefront
with
all
of
this
and
he's
on
that
board
as
well.
So
six
o'clock,
Charlestown
Landing,
will
be
in
the
classroom
area,
particularly
any
members
of
city
council
from
the
West
Ashley
District
you
I
would
encourage
you
to
come.
D
A
B
No
I
think
that
was
it.
We
will
get
back
to
everybody
on
the
procurement
and
maybe
a
meeting
in
January.
We
can
come
back,
it's
nothing
that
has
to
be
done
anytime.
You
know
in
the
very
near
future,
great
so
we'll
get
back
with
everybody
on
that
and
councilmember
Waring
we'll
talk
and
set
something
up
with
Matt.