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City of Charleston Ad Hoc Budget Advisory Committee Meeting 6/30/22
A
So
that's
some
of
the
reason
why
they're
going
over
budget
there
and
then
fuel
pretty
much
the
rest
of
the
city,
public
services,
the
environmental
contracts
like
we
talked
about
last
month
and
then
recreation
and
also
fuel
as
well,
and
then
recreation,
tennis
contracts
and
other
contractor
programs
are
over
for
various
facilities.
But
that's
because
they're
actually
doing
they
have
more
of
a
demand,
and
so
the
revenues
offset
that
you
just
can't
obviously
see
that
in
an
expenditure
side.
B
C
A
With
that
and
then
just
fuel
cost
impacts,
I
I
shared
this
with
you
last
last
month
as
well.
It's
gone
up
a
little
bit.
I
think
things
are
leveling
off
and
hopefully
they
will
stay
level,
but
right
now
we're
probably
projecting
about
a
553
000
over
budget
amount
by
the
end
of
the
year.
If
we
stay
where
we
are
right
now
just
to
let
you
know
that
obviously
going
to
have
to
consider
that
for
a
2023
budget.
A
And
then
we
had
talked
about
some
contract
increase
requests.
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up
our
two
environmental
services
contracts,
because
we've
we've
brought
last
council
meeting
a
contract
with
trident
waste
for
them
to
help
out
with
our
trash
collection.
We're
also
going
to
do
that
with
capital
waste
this
next.
A
This
next
meeting,
because,
like
we
were
just
talking
about,
we
had
a
little
issue
with
trident's
employees
getting
ill
and
more
able
to
help
us,
and
so
con
capital
will
also
also
has
agreed
to
do
that,
so
we're
going
to
amend
both
those
contracts
to
include
those
additional
services.
So
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
we
will
be
bringing
that
one
as
well
to
council,
probably
the
next
meeting
once
we
worked
that
out
and
we
did
discuss
with
them.
The
cpi
increases
that
they
had
asked
for.
A
I
said
we
would
consider
those
in
next
year's
budget,
like
we
do
pretty
much
with
most
contracts
that
we
have,
but
they
were
still
requesting
that
two
percent
fuel
charge
fuel
surcharge
that
we
might
want
to
consider
considering
the
additional
help
that
they're
providing
us
so
just
bring
that
to
your
attention,
and
then
that
was
really
I
said
everything
I
just
combined
it
all
in
one
one
slide.
So
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
have
any
questions
about
that.
D
So
so
I
would
just
add
that
trying
it
has
already
been
helping
us
on
a
daily
basis
with
the
truck
and
crew
on
requests.
They
didn't
last
week
or
this
week,
as
we
already
mentioned,
because
the
covert
capital
is
willing
to
start
doing
that
for
us
next
week
and
so
that
that's
actually
a
very
nice
on-demand
service
that
they
are
we'll
be
providing
when
we
need
it
only
when
we
need
it.
So
so
I
do
think
it's
quite
reasonable
to
to
honor
honor.
This
request
from.
A
A
A
A
I
I
mean,
I
don't
think
so
I
mean
you
know
they're,
just
kind
of
filling
in
for
us
right
now,
while
we're
having
this
this
issue
and
I'm
hoping
that
you
know
we,
we
will
be
able
to
do
a
salary
increase
again
next
year
that
we'll
be
able
to
start
hiring
people
and
we
won't
be.
We
won't
have
the
issues
that
we're.
Having
now.
D
D
A
D
D
D
A
A
B
B
B
A
That
we're
coming
back
from
pre,
you
know
from
the
pandemic,
because
you
see
parking
parking
revenues
are
back
up
as
well.
So
you'll
see
that
later,
when
we
talk
about
the
tourism
funds,
so
stormwater
revenues
are
tracking
on
target
the
other
permits
and
visas,
the
stormwater
trc
revenue,
and
then
there
was
a
sale
of
assets
in
there
that
wasn't
budgeted
and
then
expenditures
are
under
budget.
Some
of
it
is
timing,
probably,
but
then
also
we
talked
about
the
vacancy
rate.
A
A
Okay,
tourism
funds
are
looking
really
really
well
again.
I
just
did
this
to
kind
of
compare
to
2019,
because
you
know
that
was
before
the
pandemic,
so
you
could
kind
of
see
where
we
are
so
like.
I
said
we're
we're
back.
All
of
these
fees
are
tracking
well
over
budget
for
right
now
we're
and
we're
so
we're
just
kind
of
watching
that,
and
it
looks
like
2022-
will
also
exceed
our
projections
by
the
end
of
the
year.
So.
A
C
A
And
so
then,
we've
talked
about
a
few
times,
bringing
a
hospitality
fee
amendment
forward
for
you
all,
because
we
have
the
we'll
have
an
amendment
to
the
ian
agreement
that
we'll
need
to
bring
to
you
one
of
the
other
issues
we're
having
right
now
is
second
sunday
and
finding
off-duty
police
officers
to
work
it.
So
we've
already
raised
the
rate
a
little
bit
for
them
they're
asking
for
another
increase
in
order
to
get
some
participation
for
that,
so
that
might
be
coming
forward
as
well.
In.
C
A
A
Yeah-
and
I
mean
they're
doing
that
here
too,
first
pretty
much
all
of
the
all
of
the
events
that
we're
having
are
having
to
get
from
other
jurisdictions
as
well,
so
that
is
out
there
I'm
waiting
for
some
more
information
from
the
police
department.
So
we
can.
We
can
look
at
that
other
funding
considerations,
the
daniel
antenna
center.
We
have
the
additional
management
fee.
A
We
have
seen
some
increase
in
short
claims
from
golf
balls,
so
probably
getting
some
new
netting
would
be
would
be
good
and
then
real
estate
committee.
We
talked
about
the
children's
museum
of
the
city,
contributing
some
funding
to
the
renovation,
so
that
is
also
another
opportunity
or
option
for
us.
E
Can
I
say
something,
mr
mayor,
on
that
yesterday
I
happened
to
speak
to
another
two
entities.
One
was
a
member
of
a
local
bank
board
and
I
shared
the
situation
about
them
not
being
able
to
get
a
loan,
at
least
through
the
companies
that
they
were
talking
about
and
anyway
they
were
really
wanting
to
see
if
they
could
entertain
the
application.
E
You
know
with
the
city
continuing
to
hold
the
lease,
and-
and
obviously
I
you
know
I
gave
the
number
4
million
and,
and
they
got
a
main
and
a
half
in
hand
across
the
city
would
come
to
the
table.
I
also
spoke
to
a
company
who
would
be
willing
to
give
now.
I
don't
want
to
get
too
far
ahead
of
it,
because
I
I
was
thinking
after
that
roundabout
meeting.
E
D
Well,
you
know,
as
you
mentioned
at
the
meeting
last
week,
that
we
have
these
agreements.
Of
course
we
have
a
lease
agreement
in
place
with
the
museum
already
that
dates
back
the
90s.
But
what
what
I've
asked
staff
to
do
is
to
go
ahead
and
either
work
on
a
revision
to
the
lease
or
a
new
mou
and
leave
the
number
blank
right
now,
but
to
go
ahead
and
get
to
work
on
an
agreement
between
the
city
and
the
museum.
Just
along
the
lines
of
of
what
you
had
suggested.
E
D
E
A
And
then
our
accommodations
tax
grant
process
will
begin
in
july.
The
applications
are
tentatively
due
august
11th
and
then
the
a
tax
committee
will
we're
planning
to
meet
in
mid-october,
councilmember
gregory.
So
you
know
that
and
then
just
our
budget
process
update
for
2023
departments
are
working
on
their
budgets.
They're.
Due
next
friday
july,
8th
department
heads
were
instructed
to
discuss
with
the
mayor
his
priorities
to
include
in
their
budgets
when
we
plan
to
bring
the
request
list
to
you
in
september.
C
A
C
C
A
Idea
before
our
auditors
come
and
do
the
their
spiel
and
probably
the
in
august,
where
we
ended
up,
we
got
a
clean
opinion.
No
findings
were
noted,
revenues
obviously
exceeded
budget
and
expenditures
were
under
budget
significantly,
so
total
revenues
exceeded
budget
by
7.9
million,
and
I
have
a
picture
for
you
on
this,
but
I'll
show
you
in
a
minute,
but
the
main
the
main
reason
overages
were
for
property
taxes
and
lost,
so
it's
kind
of
confusing,
because
property
taxes
actually
were
under
budget.
A
A
We
don't
know
we
base
it
on
what
we
get
in
september,
from
the
county
and
in
terms
of
assessments
and
all
of
that,
and
so
we
don't
really
know
how
it's
all
going
to
turn
out
and
so
the
what
we
budgeted
was
less
than
what
the
actual
tax
credit
factor
ended
up
being.
So
that's
part
of
the
problem,
I'm
probably
not
making
sense.
So
tell
me
if
you
have
a
question,
but
we
budgeted
.00073,
but
what
the
actual
tax
credit
factor
was
that
we
set
in
september
was
point
zero,
zero,
zero!
Eight!
A
A
A
Budgeted
based
on
the
assessments
that
we've
received
from
the
county
in
september
of
2020,
okay,
so
then
budget
a
certain,
a
millage
and
a
certain
tax
credit
factor,
but
then
the
following
september,
when
we're,
when
we
get
all
the
information
from
the
county
again
to
actually
set
the
actual
millage
and
tax
credit
factor,
it
could
be
different
because
assessments
can
grow.
There
could
be
different
factors.
So
when
we
actually
set
the
actual
military
in
september
of
2021,
it's
going
to
be
different.
A
B
A
B
A
B
A
B
A
Business
licenses
were
over
by
6.3,
but
that
was
you
know
we
budgeted
very
very
conservatively
because
all
of
those
revenues
were
based
on
their
gross
income
from
2020.
We
weren't
sure
how
the
pandemic
affected.
We
assumed
that
it
would
have
had
a
bigger
effect
on
the
businesses
than
it
did,
so
that
was
actually
good
news.
So
those
are
the
two
main
things
for
revenues.
A
B
A
It's
two
things,
so,
yes,
it
could
be
that,
but
we
also
were
super
conservative
because
we
we
talked
with
our
business,
license
office
and
everything
in
terms
of
how
many
businesses
we
thought
closed
during
2020
during
the
pandemic
and
then
also
knowing
that
businesses
were
shut
down
for
a
period
of
time.
The
way
that.
A
A
C
A
Okay,
so
expenditures
total
expenditures
were
under
budget
by
17.5
million,
so
it's
mainly
due
to
personnel
infringes
which
are
8.1
million
and
then
operating,
which
was
9.1
million.
Those
are
the
two
biggest
things
so
mostly.
The
operating
expenses
were
mostly
related
to
items
affecting
staff,
staffing
issues
which
are
uniforms.
The
specialized
departmental
supplies,
general
maintenance,
structural
repairs
and
things
like
that,
and
then
there
was
professional
services,
mostly
in
I.t.
It
was
like
at
two
million
dollars,
but
that
was
because
some
projects
weren't
completed.
A
One
of
them
is
our
erp
system
there
that
we
have
put
money
away
for
that,
we're
working
on
now.
So
that
was
a
probably
1.4
million
dollars
of
that,
and
then
you
know
we
didn't,
thankfully,
didn't
have
a
significant
weather
event.
So
our
emergency
funds,
which
were
around
400
and
something
thousand
dollars,
we
didn't
utilize
those
fundings
and
then
we
had
budgeted
for
two
payments
for
the
affordable
housing
bond.
A
E
A
A
C
A
Area
over
the
other,
we
just
need
to
do
a
sweeping
city-wide
fix
because
we're
never
going
to
be
otherwise
we're
just
going
to
keep
chasing
our
tails
trying
to
fix
you
over
here.
So
we
can
hire
this
group
of
people
and
then
you're
going
to
run
over
here.
You
know
it's
just
going
to
constantly
be
that
way.
We
just
need
a
city-wide
fix
is
what
we
need
all
right.
A
Well,
some
of
that
was
it
was
because
of
the
easement
that
we
had
that
million
dollars,
and
so
we
ended
up
putting
that
in
land
sales,
because
that's
really
where
it
needed
to
be.
So,
that's
why
it's
a
million
dollars
short,
it's
it's
not
that
we
didn't
receive
it.
It's
just
we
we
didn't
put
in
the
general
fund,
basically.
E
I
got
you
well,
I
know,
mr
mayor
we're
working
towards
look
at
those
revenue
from
late
fees
on
water
bills
and
stuff
that
we
we're
not
getting
uncollected
fees.
I
hope
sometime.
I
know
we
had
this
consultant
looking
at
whether
we're
going
to
add
it
to
the
tax
bill
or
not
at
what
point
in
time,
they're
going
to
be
reporting
back
to
us.
D
C
A
C
C
B
C
A
Okay,
you're
welcome,
so
this
council
member
wearing
kind
of
goes
into
what
you
are.
You
are
asking
me
for
our
potential
challenges
for
2023
staffing
was
gonna.
End
retention
will
definitely
be
an
issue,
and
then
we
can't
hire
people.
We
can't
get
things
done
so,
especially
like
these
one.
I
think
we're
doing.
Okay
in
most
areas
in
terms
of
getting
our
basic
services
provided,
but
it's
these
other
projects
and
things
that
we
were
struggling
with
fuel
obviously
was
going
to
be
a
consideration.
A
inflation's.
Obviously,
another
concern
long-term
concern.
If
we
have
a
downturn
in
the
economy,
how
that's
going
to
how
that
will
affect
our
consumer-driven
revenues
will
be
another
thing
that
we
need
to
consider
for
tourism
and
local
option
sales
tax
and
things
like
that
and
then
just
talking
about
millage.
So
we
just
received
from
the
state
are
the
information
in
order
to
calculate
our
bank
and
cpi
is
4.7
and
a
population
growth
is
0.47,
so
our
allowable
millage
increase
is
5.17.
A
A
A
E
E
E
A
E
Amy,
what
about
the
growth
in
just
the
overall
appreciation
of
properties
owned
in
the
city
of
charleston?
You
have
each
or
most
years
anyway,
we
have
a
little
some
properties
being
turned
over.
You
know
we!
I
I
built
my
house
32
years
ago.
If
I
sold
it,
it's
going
to
be
taxed
at
its
truth.
It's
true
market
value
the
following
year.
A
A
A
D
A
Okay,
that
thank
you
for
mentioning
that
I
forgot
to
put
information
in
the
in
my
slides
on
that.
So
I'm
sorry
I
had
I
like.
I
said
I
just
finished
that
who
sent
that
audit
in
today.
So
I
was.
I
was
somewhat
scrambling
to
get
all
of
this
finished
today,
so
I
apologize,
but
we
so
we
have,
I
have
increased.
You
know
we
put
20
away
for
our
reserves,
as
our
financial
policy
requires
us.
The
last
two.
C
A
I
have
put
23
away,
and
so
we
were,
as
you
saw
significantly
over
budget
in
2021,
so
we
have
some
extra.
We
had
some
extra
funding,
so
I
put
25
away
for
our
unassigned
fund
balance
just
in
case
since
they're
predicting
a
downturn
in
the
economy.
So
we
will
have
that
and
in
meeting
with
movies
in
s
p
they're.
Actually
coastal
cities
are
wanting
a
little
bit
extra
in
there.
So
I
did
that
for
for
20
21.
D
Y'all,
that
is
very
good
news
and
very
solid
news
that
that
we
have
increased,
that
to
25
for
our
credit
rating
for
really
emergency,
for,
as
amy
mentioned,
being
a
coastal
city,
you
never
know
what
kind
of
storms
we
might
have.
So
I,
I
think
that's
a
very
positive
step.
Thank
you,
amy,
for
for
tending
to
that.
B
A
We
are
so
when,
when
I
did,
when
we,
whenever
we
use
general
fund
reserves,
councilman
shade,
we
never
ever
dip
below
our
20,
so
it's
just
whatever
we
have
that
we're
able
to
utilize,
and
so
the
good
thing
about
21
is
that
we
actually
had
budgeted
5.9
million.
I
think
as
to
use
out
of
reserves
that
we
weren't,
we
didn't
end
up
having
to
use,
and
then
I
also
forgot
to
mention
too.
A
We
are
talking
about
before
the
arpa
funds
and
the
three
million
dollars
for
the
tax
to
make
up
for
the
tax
increase.
We
also
won't
have
to
utilize
that
so
we
can
push
put
that
back
into
our
funds,
so
that
will
give
us
a
little
bit
extra.
I
forgot
to
mention
that
as
well,
so
I
apologize
so
we
have
that
as
well,
so
we've
never
ever
dipped
below
and
then
in
22
we
budgeted
651
000
of
general
fund
reserves
to
balance
the
budget
which
I'm
us
I'm
guessing.
A
B
A
And
because
we
also
had
a
little
bit
extra,
so
I
put
a
little
bit
more.
We
have
a
financial
policy
for
a
million
dollars
every
year
for
deferred
maintenance,
and
I
put
a
little
bit
extra
in
there
for
deferred
maintenance.
Since
I
know
we
have
some
things,
we
need
to
do
to
fire
stations
and
things
like
that,
and
then
we'll
have
extra.
A
You
know
we
have
to
go
through
our
capital
improvement
plan
which
we'll
be
bringing
to
you
all,
hopefully
then
july,
beginning
of
august,
and
we
just
need
to
look
at
some
of
the
projects
that
we
have
right
now
to
see,
if
what's
underfunded,
that
we
might
need
to
add
additional
funding
to,
and
so
that's
kind
of
where
we
are
with
reserves.
Right
now,.
E
Okay,
amy
hi
last
year,
our
millage
increase
that
we
voted
was
how
much
three
miles
three
mills.
Okay,
hypothetically,
have
we
done
five,
it
would
have
been.
I
gotta
get
this
thing
shrunken
down
here
so
and
we
done
five.
Our
military
would.
Am
I
correct
in
saying
that
it
would
would
have
been
down
to
64.3
instead
of
61.3.
E
A
I'm
looking
at
21,
so
20
yeah.
If
you
add,
if
you
looked
at
22
counts,
we
were
wearing,
then
you
would
add
five
to
the
61.3,
so
it
would
have
been
66.3.
But
it's
hard
to
it's
hard
to
do
that,
because
we
don't
know
what
the
tax
credit
factor
would
be
either.
So
that's
why
we
didn't
put
22
in
there,
but
without
considering
tax
credit
factor.
If
you
just
added
the
five
mills
to
61.3,
it
would
be
60.
E
D
E
A
E
E
C
E
E
D
So,
council
member,
I
do
have
a
little
bit
of
an
update
on
that
again
or
jason
kronsberg
is
on
the
on
the
line.
Maybe
he
would
just
verify
what
I'm
reporting
that
he
walked
through
the
stadium
with
dave
and
the
architect
and
apparently
there's
some
items
they
they
can
live
without
so
and
then
really
the
architect
needs
to
provide
some
more
specific
plans
for
us
to
get
a
more
exact
estimate
and
pricing,
and
so
that's
the
direction.
D
D
So
I
think
the
direction
is
to
to
they'll
go
ahead
and
and
pay
their
architect
to
get
the
plans
to
where
we
can
get
a
a
better
estimate
and
pricing
and
that
way,
it'll
be
easier,
easier
us
to
settle
with
them
on
something
because
we'll
we'll
know
what
we're
dealing
with
rather
than
well.
Maybe
it's
three.
Maybe
it's
four
million.
You
know
so
right.
D
And
also
what
I'm
told
is
that
major,
if
we
make
any
of
those
little
changes
like
that,
major
league
baseball
needs
to
take
a
look
at
it
and
approve
it.
The
river
dogs
want
to
make
sure
that,
if
some,
if,
if
there's
a
modification
that
they're
still
going
to
get
the
blessing
of
mlb,
so
all
that
should
take
probably
the
next
two
or
three
months
to
occur,
but
we
we
have
we're,
not
settled
yet,
but
we
have
a
path
forward.
E
Makes
a
whole
lot
of
sense?
What
about
the
time
issue?
Obviously
we
are
getting
emails
from
him
and,
and
obviously
I
want
to
know
both
sides
he's
going
to
tell
us
his
side,
so
I
just
want
to
so
yeah.
What's
the
thing
about
this
thing?
Is
time
senses?
So
what
is
the
time?
Is
there
a
deadline
out
there
that.
D
Well,
there
is
a
deadline
from
what
I
understand.
They
need
to
start
on
things
by
next
season,
which
I
think,
if
we
go
on
this
path,
we'll
be
able
to
at
least
start,
but
the
way
again.
The
way
I
understand
it
is
they
they
really
have
about
a
two
or
three
win
year
window
to
get
fully
completed.
Okay,.
A
A
E
E
C
That
was
all
pretty
right:
they've
they'd
already
evaluated
the
matrix
they've
done
some
of
that
preliminary
work.
So
all
of
the
current
estimates
are
just
on
schematic
plans
and
square
foot
costs,
so
you're
correct.
They
need
to
get
updated
drawings
and
more
coordination
with
the
contractor
to
come
to
a
better
number.
B
Mayor,
yes,
sir,
and
just
to
pick
up
where
amy
left
off
and
councilman
wearing
was
talking
about.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
that
the
time
constraints
that
we're
all
are
working
under,
and
I
also
understand
that,
there's
some-
maybe
disagreement
as
to
what
is
our
responsibility
what's
their
responsibility.
B
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
on
the
right
track
with
all
of
us.
This
is
our
property.
We
have
a
responsibility
for
it
and
I
know
there's
gonna,
be
some
disagreement
among
the
parties
as
to
who's
responsible
for
what
and
to
what
extent.
But
we
just
got
to
clear
this
out
yeah,
because
if
there
is
a
time
limit
on
it,
yeah.
C
D
Well,
I
think
we're
on
a
good
track
right
now
I
mean.
Maybe
we
lost
a
few
weeks
between
the
last
discussions
and
jason's
walked
through
with
the
architect
and
dave
yesterday
and
today,
but
we
have
a
path
forward
right
now
I
mean
to
be
honest
with
you.
Our
lease
agreement
did
not
anticipate
requirements
by
the
major
league
baseball
league
who's
now
taken
over
authority
of
the
minor
leagues.
So,
honestly,
I
don't
it
we're
just
negotiating
in
good
faith.
All
these
improvements
bring
no
money
to
the
river
dogs
bottom
line.
D
B
Right
and
now
I
understand
that
we're
living
under
an
agreement
that
I
don't
think
anybody,
maybe
a
few
of
us
were
around
when
that
was
negotiated,
but
that
was
over
25
years
ago
and
that's
that's.
The
agreement
we're
living
under
we've
just
got
to
make
sure
that
our
obligations
are
being
fulfilled.
That's
all
I
care
about.
D
Right
and
I
I
think
we
are,
but
I
mean
we.
In
other
words,
we
don't
have
to
do-
do
a
dime
per
our
lease
agreement,
but
we
want
to
because
we
want
to
support
the
river
dogs.
We
want
to
keep
the
league
here
in
charleston,
it's
a
great
family
affair,
and
so
but
but
we
certainly
feel
that
it
should
be
a
shared
responsibility
between
the
city
and
the
team.
B
E
D
Table
it's
back
on
the
table.
We
had
proposed
it
before
and
they
they
did
not
agree
to
it,
but
I
think
under
the
circumstances
they
they
now
recognize
that
it's
a
most
reasonable
thing
to
do
so
we
we
hope,
is
part
of
our
settlement
that
we'll
get
that
fee
maintenance
fee
added
to
the
ticket
sales
going
forward.
A
E
F
The
general
assembly
passed
a
law
and
government,
I'm
sorry
governor
mcmaster
signed
it
on
the
22nd
of
june.
It's
called
s22
s233
and,
in
my
opinion,
it's
the
most.
It's
it's.
The
most
liberal
expansion
of
municipal
home
rule
authority
in
the
area
of
revenue
generation
that
that
I'm
aware
of
in
the
last
30
years
and
there's
a
long
back
story
behind
why
this
law
was
passed
and
how
we
got
there.
But
it's
the
law
of
the
land
in
south
carolina
and
what
it
does
is
this.
F
In
a
nutshell,
it
expands
local
government
fee
authority
over
the
years.
The
conservative
way
to
view
fee
law
in
south
carolina
was
that
fees
as
opposed
to
taxes
had
much
more
restraints
and
limitations
and
conditions
on
the
amount
of
the
fee
and
what
the
fee
could
be
used
for.
So
up
until
june
22nd
of
2022.
F
That
is
not
shared
generally
by
the
public,
because
that's
more
of
like
what
a
tax
does
so
there's
there's
a
very
tight
nexus
requirement
between
the
amount
of
the
fee
and
what
the
fee
was
used
for.
That's
been
broadly
expanded,
so
now,
local
governments
in
south
carolina
counties
and
municipalities
really
have
much
more
flexibility
when
it
comes
to
designing
fee
programs,
calculating
fees
and
determining
what
the
fee
revenue
is
used
for.
F
So
when
we
look
at
the
challenges
we
have
with
staffing,
when
we
look
at
some
of
the
challenges
we're
facing
city-wide
when
we're
looking
at
the
prospects
of
a
potential
five-mil
property
tax
increase-
plus,
oh,
I
don't
know-
maybe
looking
at
lost.
This
could
be
another
tool
in
our
toolkit
that
we
have
not
had
until
last
week
to
begin
looking
at
this
I'll,
give
you
just
one
quick
example.
F
If
you,
if
you
may
recall
from
last
year,
remember
we
had
that
very
good
work
done
around
permitting
your
traffic
and
transportation
department
over
like
when
people
are
trying
to
put
containers
on
the
right
away.
All
these
kinds
of
things,
our
staff
and
and
was
was
unbelievably
precise
in
terms
of
calculating
those
fee
amounts
because
of
this
nexus
requirement
that
previously
exists.
In
other
words,
we
can't
overcharge
people
or
use
these
fees
for
any
other
purpose
other
than
providing
the
service
directly
related
to
that
person's
container.
F
F
It
almost
needs
to
be
from
a
department-by-department
approach
to
kind
of
look
at
this
new
law
come
up
with
some
potential
ideas
that
make
sense
and
we're
not
trying
to
you
know,
take
advantage
of
anybody
or
or
do
anything,
that's
that's
improper,
but
the
the
handcuffs
have
been
taken
off
local
governments
when
it
comes
to
fee
authority.
One
might
also
argue
that
this
this
legislative
expansion
is
so
broad
that
it
begins
to
almost
blur
the
line
between
fees
and
taxes,
because
the
general
assembly
back
in
the
early
90s,
said
local
governments
can't
impose
any
taxes.
F
It's
done.
You
know
we
don't
have
any.
We
don't
have
the
ability
to
do
a
half
cent
sales
tax
for
storm
water-
that's
illegal
in
south
carolina,
but
now
potentially
there's
some
flexibility
in
this
fee
realm,
where
we
could
generate
revenue,
potentially
millions
of
dollars
in
revenue
when
you
start
adding
it
up
across
other
various
different
departments.
I
just
think
this
is
a
real
opportunity.
F
It's
it's!
It's!
It's
really
a
unique
story
in
terms
of
how
we
got
here,
but
we're
here,
and
it's
really
something
that
the
city
of
charleston
and
other
municipalities
around
the
state
that
have
been
so
hamstrung
for
so
many
years.
Over
the
you
know:
rigidity
of
law
around
revenue
generations.
I
don't
know
to
really
start
to
kind
of
creatively,
look
at
ways
that
we
can
incorporate
more
fee
based
service
delivery,
based
revenue
streams
into
our
overall
financial
picture.
F
E
E
Yeah
yeah.
I
want
to
do
the
same
thing
after
piece
about
a
workshop.
Now,
I'm
not
wanting
to
be
advocating
a
bunch
of
workshops,
but
this
is
one
that
we
can
get
out
on
the
front
part
of
this
curve.
On
and
second
thing,
I
don't
know
how
this
fits
into
that.
Maybe
it
doesn't,
but
you
know
we're
gonna
have
looks
like
anyway,
some
of
the
most
valuable
property.
That's
now
warehouses
we
probably
won't
be
on.
I
probably
I
won't
be
on
council
people,
peter
won't
be
there.
E
I
know
they're
going
to
want
to
tiff
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
but
is
there
any
kind
of
way
we
can
work
the
fee
income
with
this
new
legislation
on
what
will
be
one
of
the
most
valuable
pieces
of
property
inside
of
mississippi
that
will
eventually
be
developed.
You're
talking
about
a
multi-million
dollar
development,
that's
going
to
be
coming
on.
E
D
So,
just
picking
up
on
that
thought,
council
member,
you
know
I've
I've
thought
about
applying
asking
for
a
tax
increment
finance
district
just
because,
even
though
we
all
recognize
this
very
valuable
real
estate,
the
infrastructure
doesn't
exist
and
has
to
start
all
over
again
over
there.
There's
the
street
grid
the
parks,
the
everything
it's
kind
of,
and
that's
got
to
be
considered.
D
F
You
know
it's
certainly
something
worth
worth
exploring.
I
mean,
I
think,
part
of
the
idea
with
a
fee.
Is
that
it's
it's?
It's
got
to
be
uniformly
imposed
across
a
broad
class
of
payors.
In
other
words,
I'm
not
sure
if
you
could
design
a
fee
program
where
they're
just
sort
of
one
payor,
but
maybe
there's
a
way.
It
could
be
structured
more
broadly,
there's
a
lot
of
creativity
that
can
be
brought
into
this.
F
C
F
I
I
I
think,
there's
a
very
real
chance
that
it
can.
I
mean
I'm
reading
off
the
amendment
right
right
now
I
mean
the
the
legislator,
the
legislature
added
the
language
quote,
even
if
the
general
public
also
benefits
end
quote
to
the
festival,
because
that
used
to
be
the
piece
that
was
not
part
of
the
law
yeah.
In
other
words,
if.
F
You
had
to
get
the
respect,
the
the
benefit
in
only
you
right
and
it
had
to
be
individualized
and
not
generalizable
to
the
public,
because
that's
more
of
what
a
tax
does
right.
That's
now
been
expanded,
and
so
some
of
the
revenue
that's
used
from
a
fee
along
the
lines
you'll
be
all
talking
about,
wouldn't
all
have
to
go
to
the
benefit
of
the
payor.
It
could
a
newer
to
the
benefit
of
the
public
and
that's
where
I
think
there's
this
real
opportunity
here.
C
F
Could
almost
bob
weave
that
into
this
somehow,
where
developers
I
mean
developers
will
pay
this
city
millions
of
dollars
for
expedited
per
day
and
now
that
money
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
used
for
the
benefit
of
that
payor,
it
could
be
used
for
the
public.
It
could
be
used
to
staff
up
some
of
our
departments,
maybe
that
are
that
are
not
staffed
up
properly.
F
I
mean
it
is
just
truly
a
game-changing
approach
to
the
way
we
look
at
and
analyze
fees
around
here
where
it's
just
been
very
tight
for
a
long
time,
and
I
think
that
the
the
opportunities
are
really
really
interesting
here,
and
I
mean
you
know:
if
it's
going
to
cost
you
10
million
bucks,
to
wait
on
a
permit
for
a
year.
Would
you
pay
five
to
like
cut
that
time?
Significantly?
F
E
E
The
schools,
the
school
district
would
lease
it
back
and
then,
at
the
end
of
the
at
the
end
of
the
lease
I
think
for
a
dollar,
the
property
would
be
returned
back
well,
a
bunch
of
school
districts
went
out
and
sought
alternative
financing
got
it
done,
and
then
it
was
a
backlash
in
the
general
assembly.
They
came
back
and
changed
and
actually
made
alternative
funding
illegal.
Okay,
I
happen
to
be
sitting
on
this
is
when
dr
goodlow
was
there
at
the
school
district
and
charleston.
E
As
a
matter
of
fact,
anita
zucker,
myself,
bonnie
lester,
a
number
of
people
were
on
the
board
of
economic
advisors.
For
the
school
district,
school
district
was
able
to
get
400
million
dollars
the
charleston
county
school
district
for
alternative
funding
to
help
build
schools
in
this
area,
and
then
the
general
assembly
stop
that
and
now
any
other.
You
still
have
to
go
to
old
rock
with
referendums.
This
sounds
so
good
ross.
E
I
mean
councilmember
pill,
it
sounds
so
good
and
so
and
by
the
way
the
people
who
got
it
through
were
what's
the
term
I
shouldn't
be
using
the
term.
It
comes
with
my
pale
grandfather.
You
told
us
there's
another
term
to
use.
I
forget
that,
but
anyway
they
were
grandfathered,
so
it
didn't
have
to
be
refunded
or
anything
like
that,
but
going
forward
you
couldn't
do
it
anymore.
E
This
sounds
so
good
until
if
you
don't
get
on
the
front
end
on
this
one,
if
the
general
assembly
would
have
a
second
thought
on
this
and
come
back
and
change
it,
it
would
be
great,
mr
mayor
thinking
about
the
79
acres
or
whatever
it
is
down
there
or
whatever
get
out
of
the
front
curb,
but
it's
whatever
we
can
get
put
in
place,
even
if
the
general
assembly
would
have
come
back
and
rescind
or
severely
reduce
it.
Hopefully,
ours
would
withstand
the
test
of
time.
So
I
don't
you're
right.
C
And
if
I
can
just
say
lastly,
in
in
our
multi-family
programs
at
hud,
that
used
to
take
years
to
process
applications,
we
put
in
place
a
90-day
process
for
pulling
all
those
applications
together
which
saved
the
developers
and
everybody
millions
of
dollars.
So
it
it.
It
is
definitely
doable
in
terms
of
an
expedited
process,
may
be
labor
intensive,
but
it
can
be
done.