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City of Charleston Ad Hoc Budget Advisory Committee 9/9/2021
A
B
All
right
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
call
us
to
order
and
ask
y'all
to
join
me
in
a
moment
of
silence
of
prayer.
B
C
B
Thank
god
for
another
beautiful
day,
all
right,
so
we
have
some
departmental
budget
discussions
today,
planning
public
service
parks,
we're
gonna,
have
an
update
on
our
stimulus
funds,
a
little
tweet
to
what
our
report
was
before
and
but
we'll
start
with
the
planning
department
budget,
but
I'll
turn
it
on
over
to
amy.
I
think
amy.
D
B
D
E
Thank
you
amy
good
afternoon,
mayor
members
of
the
committee,
so
real
quick,
I
am
going
to
start
sharing.
Hopefully
you
all
can
see.
I
have
a
powerpoint
up.
Hopefully
everyone
can
see
that
okay
really
quickly.
I
just
want
to
go
through
the
planning
department's
budget
requests
and
then
are
prepared
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
all
might
have
about
what
our
request
is
and
and
what
we're
hoping
to
accomplish
in
next
fiscal
year,
real
quick
as
someone
who
just
passed
their
six
months
on
the
job.
E
E
We've
been
doing
this
this
year
with
the
three
focus
areas
of
water,
plu,
waterproof,
inclusive
and
balanced,
and
you
can
see
there
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
screen
some
of
those
core
functions.
E
They
include
restoring
and
protecting
our
historic
neighborhoods,
facilitating
new
neighborhoods
and
compact
mixed-use
neighborhoods
excellence
in
design
again
making
sure
that
charleston
remains
charleston
and
not,
as
I
think,
we've
all
seen
it
in
editorials
and
in
in
the
paper
anywhere
usa
ensuring
that
what
we
are
doing
is
environmentally
sensitive
and
appropriate,
and
using
using
our
comprehensive
plan
as
our
guiding
document
as
the
the
communities
plan
and
touching
on
all
the
different
things
that
we
do
as
a
city
and
making
sure
that
we're
always
keeping
that
in
mind
as
we're
moving
forward
wanted
to
just
remind
everybody.
E
This
is
your
team.
You
have
a
a
small
but
mighty
planning
department
here
at
the
the
city
of
charleston.
This
team
facilitates
and
supports
more
than
110
public
meetings
per
year,
and
you
all
as
council
members.
You
know
how
grueling
public
meetings
can
be.
That's
110
meetings
outside
of
what
support
the
the
department
does
for
actual
city,
council
and
committee
meetings.
These
are
just
the
meetings
of
the
various
boards
and
committees
that
the
the
planning
department
supports.
E
In
addition
to
those
public
meetings,
they
handle
more
than
8
000
applications
through
the
different
review
bodies
that
we
have.
Additionally,
we
have
more
than
125
community
meetings,
outreach
events
that
we
either
support,
lead
or
participate
in
and
then,
finally,
with
our
design
division,
we
produce,
on
average
22
city
design
projects
that
we
either
lead
or
participate
in
annually,
which
is
a
monumental
amount
of
work.
When
you
think
about
what
private
sector
design
firms
have
available
to
them,
so
just
some
table
setting
there
before
we
go
into
the
ask.
E
I
prefaced
this
this.
You
know
budget
overview
for
the
planning
department,
with
basically
this
statement
and
again
a
reminder
that
we
are
an
evolving
community.
We
are
a
historic
city
and
in
order
to
keep
those
two
things
in
balance,
we
need
we
need
planning
and
we
need
the
the
value
that
planners
and
the
planning
profession
brings
to
this
community.
So
what
I've
done
in
this
proposal
for
our
next
budget
year?
I've
put
our
requests
into
three
buckets.
E
If
you
would,
one
is
restoration,
a
second
one
is
dealing
with
our
our
people
and
finally,
we
do
have
some
projects
that
we
are
making
some
budget
requests
for.
E
We
all
know
how
important
restoration
is.
I
think
our
amazing
cfo
talked
about
this
at
your
ad
hoc
committee
earlier
this
year
about
the
fact
that
restoration
of
some
of
the
the
hits
that
our
budgets
took
during
this,
this
coveted
pandemic
situation
was
going
to
be
a
main
topic.
We
have,
as
I'm
sure,
every
department
in
the
city.
We
have
requested
restoration
of
funds
for
specific
programs.
E
E
So
we
think
that
these
are
important
to
get
us
back
to
you,
a
semblance
of
a
baseline
of
services
that
we
provide
to
the
community,
particularly
in
light
of
the
hope
and
expectation
that
we
will
be
in
2022
much
more
again
out
in
the
community,
doing
things
in
person
and
a
lot
less
virtual
things
for
people.
This
represents
a
about
just
under
18
of
the
budget.
E
The
request
here
in
in
terms
of
the
increase,
it
is
a
almost
11
increase
over
the
2021
budget,
but
because
of
the
the
cuts
from
the
2020
budget,
it
actually
represents
just
about
a
one
percent
increase
over
what
the
2020
budget
was
for
the
people
portion.
This
people
portion
includes
a
few
new
positions
that
I
believe
will
help
the
planning
department
better
support
the
missions
and
objectives
of
the
city
in
general,
but
also
the
other
departments
in
the
in
the
city,
specifically
our
our
one.
E
Our
top
priority
is
to
get
an
additional
position
for
an
associate
preservation
planner,
who
would
be
working
in
an
enforcement
officer
capacity,
at
least
in
in
part.
E
I
have
heard
loud
and
clear
in
the
six
months
that
I've
been
here,
that
this
is
an
area
of
our
efforts
that
we
are
we're
lacking
on
in
part,
because
we're
trying
to
take
care
of
all
the
day-to-day
stuff
and
we're
just
not
able
to
take
care
of
the
those
areas
of
our
historic,
older
city
in
our
historic
districts
that
we're
having
some
difficulties
with
in
in
terms
of
keeping
up
with
the
enforcement
activity.
E
I
would
point
out
that
this
position
would
generate
revenue
in
that
it
would
bring
properties
that
are
currently
out
of
compliance
with
the
requirements,
many
of
which
don't
know
that
they're
not
in
compliance.
It
would
serve
both
in
an
education
capacity
to
let
them
know
what
those
requirements
are
under
the
code,
but
then
it
would
bring
them
in
so
that
they'd
be
supplying
the
appropriate
applications.
E
E
Then
one
of
the
things-
and
I
know
you
heard
from
the
human
resources
committee
recently
on
some
of
the
issues
related
to
why
we
are
seeing
some
turnover
in
the
the
city
staff
and
while
I
think
a
lot
of
those
issues
that
are
aggregate
to
the
city
do
apply
in
the
department,
two
things
that
I've
heard
repeatedly
from
folks
that
have
left-
and
we
have
had
some
departures
in
the
six
months
that
I've
been
here
is
concern
over
workload
and
concern
about
professional
development.
One
of
the
things
that's
somewhat
unique
to
planners
is
oftentimes.
E
While
we
all
want
you
know,
we
all
want
a
nice
paycheck
and,
let's
be
clear,
the
reality
is
most
of
the
people
who
go
towards
a
planning
profession.
Are
they
they
want
to
stay
relevant
in
that
in
that
work,
and
so
professional
development
is
another.
A
key
piece
of
what
I
believe
will
help
not
only
improve
our
our
our
current
staff,
but
also
help
in
that
retention
of
that
staff
and
in
our
recruitment
efforts
for
when
we
do
need
to
replace
positions.
E
E
We
are
poised
with
some
of
the
new
programs
that
have
come
online
for
the
city
to
make
a
case
for
some
of
our
little
islands
within
the
city
that
it's
now
time
to
go
out
to
the
community
and
talk
about
the
benefits
of
being
a
city
resident.
In
fact,
we
have
many
people
who
are
in
the
county,
who
don't
realize
they're,
not
in
the
city,
and
so
that
position
would
help
address
that
and
again
long
term,
that
has
revenue
positive
revenue
impacts.
E
So
this
would
be
what
the
org
chart
would
look
like
if
these
positions
were
approved,
it'd
be
an
additional
position
in
our
design
division
that
would
bring
that
up
to
three
people
it
would.
The
annexation
coordinator
would
work
with
our
folks
in
our
planning
division,
and
then
we
would
be
looking
at
the
application
coordinator
right
now,
we're
kind
of
putting
them
in
preservation,
but
I
don't
believe
their
work
would
be
limited
to
just
preservation.
E
We
would
be
looking
to
have
them
work
on
multiple
boards
and
commissions
and
help
with
those
administrative
tasks,
and
then,
as
mentioned
previously,
that
that
associate
preservation,
planner
slash
enforcement
officer.
F
Robert
before
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
I'm
glad
to
see
that
the
request
for
annexation
coordinator-
and
I
hope
that
person
is
has
in
mind
to
be
somewhat
aggressive
to
cover
these
pockets
that
are
out
there,
particularly
in
west
ashley
in
my
district,
and
I
think
also
well
probably
in
all
the
older
districts
in
west
ashland
avondale
has
a
huge
pockets
area
that
are
not
annexed
into
the
city
and
it
really
just
makes
for
bad
government
when
it
comes
to
planning
that
we
have
these
these
pockets,
the
residents
not
within
the
city
jurisdiction.
F
E
Absolutely
it's
a
marketing
job,
they're
marketing,
the
benefits
of
being
in
the
city
and
creating
that
continuity
on
those
streets.
You
know,
council,
member
jackson
and
I
we've
had
this
conversation
on
folly
road.
We
have
city
city,
county,
county,
county
city,
and
how
on
earth
do
we
do
you
know
the
improvements
that
we
collectively
want
to
see
in
that
space
when
we
have
multiple
jurisdictions
that
may
not
always
see
eye
to
eye
on
exactly
what
those
requirements
may
be.
F
And
I
would
I
would
like
if
this
budget
is
approved-
and
we
we
get
this
coordinator
for
that
person
to
work
with
council
members.
So
we
can
discuss
with
that
person
exactly
what
we're
looking
for
some
areas.
We'd
like
them
to
to
be
targeted.
E
Yeah,
absolutely,
and-
and
I
do
want
to
be
clear
there,
because
one
of
the
conversations
that
has
been
had
about
that
this
position
would
focus
on
those
those
islands.
This
is
not
trying
to
look
at
a
huge
swash.
This
is
not
the
next.
You
know
kane
hoy
annexation.
This
is
this.
Is
this
is
knitting
together
the
city
in
those
areas
where
we
have
this
kind
of
patchwork
situation
with
you
know,
non-city
properties,
intermixed
with
city
properties,.
F
And
by
the
way,
I
like
that
very
first
photograph,
you
had
of
the
view
of
the
work
on
the
low
battery.
Whoever
got
that
picture
well
done.
E
So
and
then
the
last
group-
and
this
is
the
lion's
share
of
the
the
ask-
these-
are
project
dollars.
Many
most
of
this
is
one-time
expenses.
E
E
There
are
next
steps.
That's
not
the
end
of
the
road,
that's
the
beginning
of
a
road
and
one
of
those
big
projects
is
going
to
be
a
new
zoning
ordinance.
It's
imperative
that
we
we
work
on
that.
E
So
again,
the
expertise
needed
to
help
consult
with
the
city
on
that
is
is
is
going
to
be
vital
in
order
to
make
that
effort,
work
and
then,
finally,
our
zoning
code
for
anyone
who's
actually
sat
down
with
our
zoning
code.
They
know
that
our
zoning
code
is
inc
is
incredibly
complicated.
E
It
has
been
amended
and
then
amended
and
then
amended
again,
and
so
we
need
to
take
it
all
the
way
back
down
to
the
to
the
foundations
and
build
that
back
up
instead
of
trying
to
amend
within
our
existing
code
structure.
So
this
is
a
very
important
project,
a
new
downtown
plan.
Again
the
current
downtown
plan
was
created
over
20
years
ago.
There
has
been
so
much
change
on
the
peninsula
and
what
is
thought
of
as
downtown
since
that
plan
was
done
when
we
are
looking
at
the
impacts
of
the
perimeter
protection.
E
When
we're
looking
at
the
changes
that
have
happened,
how
are
we
more
comprehensively
doing
affordable
housing
on
the
peninsula,
bringing
folks
that
have
been
displaced
back?
E
I
think
that
downtown
plan
is
going
to
be
vital
to
those
efforts.
We
also
a
couple
other
things
here
in
the
projects
category.
We
need
to
do
an
update
to
the
historic
properties
survey
it's
woefully
out
of
out
of
sync
with
where
we're
at
today.
So
we
need
to
update
that
again.
It's
an
update,
it's
not
adding
new
neighborhoods
to
the
to
the
current
categorizations,
but
it's
updating
the
status
of
our
historic
properties.
E
So
with
that,
here's
essentially
the
summary
of
what
we
have.
We
are
asking
for
approximately
one
point:
a
little
over
1.8
million
dollars
in
additional
budget.
However,
again
I'm
going
to
point
out
that
1
million
of
that
is
for
the
zoning
code
that
could
be
allocated
over.
We
it's
going
to
be
a
multi-year
project,
so
it
could
be
allocated
over
two
fiscal
years
if
necessary.
E
Additionally,
on
the
downtown
plan,
that's
going
to
be
a
more
than
one
fiscal
year.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
closer
to
an
18-month
project
so
that
could
have
funding
allocated
over
more
than
one
fiscal
year.
I
also
want
to
highlight
on
the
downtown
plan,
similar
to
what
we
did
with
the
comprehensive
plan
that
350
000,
that's
part
of
what
that
that
plan
will
entail.
E
We
have
again
we
have
an
amazing
staff
here
that
will
basically
carry
the
weight
for
half
of
that
project.
That
project
in
in
reality
will
probably
be
about
a
700
000
project,
but
I
feel
like
we
have
capacity
within
the
talent
of
our
staff
to
cover
about
half
of
that
project
with
our
with
our
internal
labor,
within
our
planning
division
and
with
some
assistance
from
our
design
division.
So
with
that,
this
is
our
request,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
amy.
Hopefully
I
didn't
take
too
long.
G
Yeah,
thank
you.
This
is
probably
an
amy
question,
so
I
appreciate
robert
everything
you've
presented
to
us.
It's
the
most
comprehensive
look
at
your
your
your
your
big
elephant
that
you
have
to
get
your
hands
around
on
different
parts
every
day.
So
my
amy
question
is
of
the
two
big
ticket
items
that
you
told
us
would
take
more
than
one
fiscal
year,
so
the
ordinance
rewrite
and
the
downtown
plan
new
new
right.
Basically
amy.
Does
that
mean?
G
D
G
B
E
F
Just
as
a
follow-up
that
robert,
what
is
the
overall,
I
saw
the
number
of
the
increase
that
you
want.
What
does
that
represent
percentage,
bonds
of
an
increase.
E
That
represents
a
total
increase.
I
believe
it's
on
your
priority,
worksheet
that
that
amy's
team
handed
out.
I
I
apologize.
I
had
it
and
somehow
I've
closed
the
form
that
had
that
information
I'll.
E
D
It's
46.22
percent
of
2020
and
60.5
percent
of
2021.
H
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
and
robert
excellent
presentation,
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
we
really
need
to
make
this
a
priority.
This
budget
cycle,
you
know,
as
robert
said,
we
have
a
very
complicated
zoning
limits
and
that's
in
addition
to
very
stringent
stormwater
regulations
and
things
we're
not
even
talking
about
right
now.
It
is
very,
very,
very
difficult,
expensive
time
consuming
to
do
business
and
do
projects
in
the
city
of
charleston
right
now.
Unfortunately,
a
lot
of
that
is
just
due
to
certain
factors
outside
of
our
control.
H
There's
also
certain
things
we
can
do.
We
can.
We
can
write
a
zoning
ordinance,
that's
more
streamlined
and
efficient.
We
can
hire
more
folks
to
process
these
applications
and
help
move
things
through
the
process,
but
this
is
a
big
priority,
because
when
we
talk
about
things
like
affordable
housing
and
all
the
other,
you
know
goals
that
we
have
as
a
city,
we
have
to
have
a
department,
that's
capable
and
and
resource
sufficiently
to
make
these
things
happen.
So
this
is
very
important.
I
saw
a
lot
of
things
that
I
was
looking
for
in
that
presentation.
H
Frankly,
I
think
we
probably
need
a
whole
lot
more
people,
but
I
think
robert's
being
very
conservative
here,
because
I
think
you
know
we
don't
have
unlimited
funds
and
resources,
but
I
think
that
this
is
a
very
important
department,
very
important
series
of
requests
and
I
look
forward
to
seeing
what's
to
come
in
the
future.
Thank
you
all.
B
G
Mr
mayor,
I
I
would
just
I
would
add
to
councilmember
appel's,
you
know
statement
the
compelling
nature
of
the
two
big
expenses.
Definitely,
the
the
rewrite
of
the
zoning
ordinance
and
from
a
different
aspect
of
its
importance.
I
mean
a
huge
part
of
our
our
new
city
plan
that
we're
going
to
be
adopting
soon
is
the
whole
land
and
water
analysis
that
goes
along
with
all
of
the
other
work
that
we've,
you
know
tasked
ourselves
to
do
in
the
stormwater
department
creation.
G
I
I
I
feel
bad
that
basically,
our
stormwater
manual
has
sort
of
been
the
zoning
tool
that
we've
you
know
we've
had
in
play
for
the
last
year
and
a
half
we
need
to
have
zoning.
That
reflects
the
knowledge
that
we
now
have
from
the
city
plan
and
all
the
consulting
work
and
the
expertise
of
our
staff
that
went
into
that.
If
we
don't
start
to
rezone
in
order
to
protect
our
our
our
territory
from
the
climate,
then
we'll
be
negligent
of
doing
our
own
responsibilities.
B
Robert,
let
me
ask
you
a
question:
you
mentioned
that
the
zoning
rewrite
could
be
done
over
two
years
and
it's
clear:
that's
a
big
big
job
and
we
wanna
as
as
long
as
we've
had
this
this
collection
of
zoning
ordinances.
B
We
want
to
get
it
right,
so
just
curious,
given
your
resources
and
people
and
staff
is
it?
Is
it
preferable
to
do
it
over
two
years,
or
I
mean
if
we
we
don't
have
all
the
money
in
the
world,
but
if,
if
we
did,
I
mean
we
would
doing
it
in
a
year,
be
a
easy
thing
to
do,
or
a
doable
thing
follow
me.
E
E
A
two-year
mark
means
that
they
can.
They
can
incorporate
the
work
into
their
existing
staffs.
Generally
from
the
folks
I
talked
to,
but
yeah.
If
we
had
additional,
potentially
additional
funding
again,
we
could
put
it
out
for
rfp
at
a
million
dollars
for
one
year
and
see
what
responses
we
got
but
from
the
folks
I
talked
to,
because
I
wanted
this
number
to
be
real.
I
didn't
want
this
number.
I
didn't
want
to
come
to
you
with
a
number
and
then
have
to
come
back
to
you
in
six
months
and
say.
E
Oh
I
got
that
number
really
wrong.
I
need
to
up
it
based
on
those
conversations
I
had
with
multiple
folks
that
that
do
this
work,
the
work
load
requirement
stretched
over
two
years
makes
that
million
dollars
work.
Something
shorter,
even
at
18
months,
shorter
or
18
months.
Only
cutting
off
six
months
of
the
project
would
make
it
more
expensive,
because
they'd
have
to
hire
some
additional
short-term
resources
themselves
in
order
to
make
it
work.
B
B
I
Thank
you
amy.
Thank
you,
mayor,
council
members
good
afternoon
want
to
just
take
a
brief
time.
I
didn't
have
a
powerpoint
as
robert
just
kind
of
briefly
remind
everybody
what
our
duties
are
on
public
service.
You
know
we
have
the
administrative
division
and
also
we
have
our
building
inspection,
slash,
permit
center
engineering,
environmental
services,
which
consists
of
garbage
trash
and
our
street
sweeping,
and
then
we
also
have
the
fleet
and
we
have
the
streets
and
sidewalks
division.
I
We
had
a
very
good
meeting
this
morning,
staff
incorporating
several
department
members
of
different
departments
talking
about
an
issue
with
with
question
of
trash
environments
downtown.
We
have
limits
and
things
that
cause
us
problems
such
as
our
tight
streets
and
people
having
cars
in
the
way
of
collections.
But
it's
just
another
example
of
the
meeting
with
us.
Together
we
had
dan
riccio
and
susan
petit
and
tracy
was
helping
us.
So
that's
a
way.
We
just
continue
to
solve
these
problems.
I
I'm
sorry
in
the
city
code
really
not
been
updated
in
a
while
and
we're
looking
at
making
some
changes,
mainly
some
for
clarification,
but
for
others
that
when
we
have
this
pickups
and
then
also
multiple
pickups
large
bulk
piles,
mainly
of
trash
with,
leaves
and
debris
like
that,
looking
at
some
additional
fees
that
will
maybe
make
those
services
available,
but
also
not
just
continue
to
burden
our
our
staff.
I
So
that's
something
you'll
be
coming
and
we'll
be
coming
to
council
with
in
the
in
the
fall
with
hopes
for
approval
in
the
starting
in
january,
going
over
our
budget.
What
I
thought
I
would
do
is
just
kind
of
highlight
the
the
request
sheets.
You
have
in
front
of
you,
the
new
programs,
a
lot
of
the
old
stuff,
we're
looking
for
are
just
a
restoration
of
cuts
made
last
year
during
a
very
difficult
2021
budget
process
and
and
I'll
be
glad.
I
Obviously,
questions
on
those,
but
starting
our
number
one
priority
that
I
feel
that
will
really
help
our
operation
when
we
split
the
stormwater
department
from
public
service
back
in
the
fall
of
2018
and
and
it's
been
a
tremendous
opportunity
for
both
departments.
I
think
that
you
know
matt
and
I
continue
to
work
well
together
and
even
though
their
separate
departments
are
still
very
interrelated
with
their
planned
review
and
enforcement,
and
things
like
that
and
it's
it's
a
great.
It's
two
great
teams
continue
to
work
together.
I
For
example,
today
we
had
the
comments
of
indy
come
through
and
our
streets
and
sidewalks
skies
who
normally
out
there
repairing
sidewalks,
we're
on
a
what
we
call
rain
event
where
they're
assisting
storm
water,
crews,
cleaning
out,
falls
and
things
like
that.
So
we
just
continue
trying
to
have
that
type
of
relationship
and
that's
very
important.
I
But
one
thing
that
happened
when
we,
when
we
did
split
the
departments
and
I
took
over,
is
directly
lost
at
one
time
mike
mester,
who
a
lot
of
people
remember
was
a
great
employee
for
20
years
with
the
city
was
our
deputy
director
of
operations
and-
and
I
feel
reaching
a
point
in
in
our
operation,
where
the
restoration
that
position
would
be
really
important
to
us.
I
There's
several
things
going
on
one
thing:
we're
trying
to
do
we're
meeting
monthly,
almost
ben
and
myself
and
tracy,
and
susan
and
and
katie
mccain
we're
trying
to
really
get
our
food
clean,
there's
opportunities.
Unfortunately,
we
try
to
in
a
way
remember
as
we
try
to
get
two
electric
garbage
trucks
this
year
and
we
just
found
out
recently
that
we
would
not
win
that
grant.
I
However,
well
it
does
not
stop
us
we're
going
to
continue
to
move
forward
and
we
apply
for
that,
and
we've
talked
to
some
people
and
the
people
that
actually
did
the
grading
to
find
out
what
we
need
to
do
to
improve
that
process.
So
we're
going
to
continue
to
work
on
that
those
are
some
really
exciting
vehicles.
I
There's
also
some
light
vehicles
in
our
fleet,
which
you
know,
can
we
have
electric
or
or
liquid
gas,
and
things
like
that
and
working
with
that,
I
just
feel
that
if
we
have,
somebody
can
work
with
those
items
and
continue
with
ben
and
his
expertise.
There's
some
things
that
will
be
available
in
state
contract
for
us
to
buy
that
are
non-standard,
and
we
just
want
to
continue
to
do
that
plus
we
just
have.
We
have
so
many
programs
that
have
opportunities
to
reduce
our
waste
stream.
I
One
thing
I'm
going
to
hit
on
earth
later
on
in
this
presentation
is
we
had
a
grant
this
year
for
mattress
recycling
and
that's
been
a
tremendous
success.
What
happens
is
we?
We
have
a
container,
that's
bought
at
milford
street
as
we
those
masters
are
brought
in
there.
After
I
reach
a
certain
point,
we
call
the
person
who
the
grant
is
with
and
they
come
pick
them
up.
That's
reduced
that
and
they're
actually
taken
to
a
plant
and
recycled.
So
that's
been
a
great
thing,
so
that's
just
something
I
think
so.
I
I
just
feel
that
and
another
thing
that
we've
got
on
the
horizon,
which
is
very
important,
is
the
relocation
of
the
milford
street
property
up
there.
As
everybody
knows,
we
may
know
you're
going
very
strong,
we're
going
to
have
to
do
that
and
I
think
the
important
working
with
edmund
and
his
team
from
parks
as
our
capital
projects
lead
on
that
that
make
sure
that
when
we
design
and
build
that
facility
up
there,
that
we've
got
everything
we
need.
I
I'm
familiar
and
I've
actually
showed
the
mayor
one
in
greenville
and
some
other
places
there's
some
great
opportunities
to
do
some
things
to
build
a
fantastic
facility
which
will
help
us
and
and
everybody
that'll,
be
using
a
stormwater
everybody
else.
So
that's
something!
I
think
that
we'll
continue
to
work
on.
So
that's
that's
our
number
one
priority
moving
to
number
two
we
have,
and
there
is
a
request
for
a
garbage,
cart
audit
and
ever
since
the
city
started
supplying
cans
and
I'm
not
sure
it's
been
it's
been
several
years
ago.
I
As
far
as
cans
and
things,
so
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
do
an
audit
of
our
cans
and
that
would
include
counting
and
also
help
us
to
do
place
tags
on
those
cans
which
will
help
us
keep
track
of
those
cans
and
know
how
many
cans
are
at
each
resident
in
each
business
that
have
can
so
that
that's
something
that
which
we
feel
is
really
important
to
continue
good
operation
with
viral
versus
psalms
as
garbage
next
thing
we
had
in
there
there.
The
next
item
on
the
list
is
a
restoration
of
cuts.
I
I
The
next
new
project
is
a
dumpster
on
james,
island
and
daniel
island
for
our
sweepers,
and
this
sounds
kind
of
a
strange
thing,
but
what
we
would
do
is
we
would
look
to
have
our
sweepers
down
when
they
get
full.
They
have
to
go
all
the
way
from
either
daniel
island
or
james
island,
all
the
way
back
to
milford
street
to
dump
in
the
drying
bed
in
the
yard
and
go
back
online.
I
So
there's
a
lot
of
time
spent
in
travel,
because
the
hoppers
on
those
machines
really
aren't
that
big,
so
they're,
going
back
and
forth
three
times
away,
they
and
just
just
traveling
to
empty
so
they're,
not
sweeping
and
I'm
sure,
councilmember
jackson
and
cancer
and
shade
you
know
people
people
out
in
there
and
in
the
suburbs
they
want
your
street
sweat
too.
So
this
would
let
us
more
efficient.
I
What
would
happen
is
we
would
place
those
dumpsters
when
we're
doing
those
sweepings
of
those
area
and
a
hop
a
high
hopper
dumpster
would
actually
come
and
dump
into
the
container
and
therefore
they
would
have
to
leave
the
island
or
leave
west
asia
out
of
west
dash
or
whatever.
So
we
think
that's
really
an
innovative
thing
that
can
really
make
us
more
efficient.
So
that's
something
we
would
really
like
to
see
funded
next
in
our
fleet
operation.
I
We
have
some
wireless
mobile
column
lifts
and
these
flips
allow
us
to
to
work
on
our
heavy
duty,
trucks
and
things
right
now,
where
our
numbers
are,
we
don't
have
a
set
where
we
can
work
on
more
than
one
at
a
time,
so
by
buying
this
additional
set
and
they're
really
not
that
expensive.
In
the
scheme
of
things,
it
allows
us
to
work
on
dual
axle
vehicles
more
than
one,
hopefully,
two
at
the
time.
I
So
we
want
to
use
that
numbers
5
through
10
are
really
just
a
restoration
of
glass
costs
and
unless
there's
any
questions
on
those
specifically,
you
will
notice
in
there
there's
overtime
costs.
We've
worked
very
hard
this
year
with
andrew
and
corey
and
and
the
team
from
budget
and
finance,
but
it's
just,
unfortunately,
the
nature
of
what
we
do
in
public
service.
I
There's
gonna
be
some
overtime
and
one
thing:
that's
really
kind
of
hurt
us
and
we've
got
great
assistance
from
not
only
hr
but
budget
in
funding
positions,
but
we
continue
to
have
trouble
filling
driver
positions
and
things
like
that,
and
I
think
honestly,
one
of
the
main
reasons
is
is
is
cost
I
mean
if
you
come
down
26
a
couple
times
a
day.
You'll
see
signs,
for
you
know,
truckers
and
companies
asking
for
cdl's.
This
is
a
nationwide
problem
for
people.
I
But
if
you
look,
I
understand
I'm
not
sure
if
it
was
today
or
yesterday's
paper,
but
I
think
charleston
county
in
north
charleston
they're
raising
their
their
salaries
up
for
their
drivers
and
stuff.
So
therefore,
it's
going
to
put
us
in
a
discrepancy
so
with
a
very
few,
a
small
pool
of
drivers
to
go
for
and
now
we're
not
paying.
You
know
what's
competitive
in
the
area,
it's
going
to
really
affect
us
and
and
we've
got
we've
got
good
equipment.
You
counsel
in
the
mayor,
you've
funded
great
equipment
over
the
years.
I
For
us,
the
asls
are
tremendous
in
our
outlying
areas
and
we
continue
to
do
good
well
with
that.
We,
you
know
using
knuckle
booms
more
for
our
trash,
but
we
just
have
to
do
something
to
figure
it
out,
and
I
know
working
with
kay
and
her
team
and
amy
and
their
team.
I
think
we're
doing
everything
we
can.
I
think
we've
reached
a
point
where
really
it's
just
a
salary
thing
that
we
have
to
think
about
for
those
positions,
so
I
just
wanted
to
get
that
out
there
for
that
big
bellies
tom.
F
I
had
a
relative
who
runs
a
restaurant,
couldn't
find
a
dishwasher
she
advertised
for
25
an
hour
and
got
no
response.
So
what
you're
saying
is
right
on
point?
It's
just
is
keeping
people
employed
and
enticing
them
is
the
number
one.
I
know
it's
gonna
be
a
number
one
challenge
for
your
department.
I
And
an
interesting
thing
you're
right
is
now
I
think.
Unfortunately,
last
year
some
people
got
used
to
not
working
with
assistance
from
the
government
and
everything
and
in
some
positions
you
know
like
waiters
waitresses,
they
just
hadn't
gone
back
to
work,
but
but
we
need
to
worry
about
what
we
can,
and
I
think
you
know
when
we
interview
people,
we've
been
doing
some
interviews
from
positions
lately,
the
city,
the
city,
is
a
fantastic
employer.
I
I
mean
what
amy
and
her
team
does,
as
far
as
I
think
in
certain
areas,
as
far
as
salary
and
making
us
competitive
and
then
what
k
and
them
do
and
and
the
the
benefits
that
you
as
a
council
approve.
For
I
mean
the
city
is
a
great
place
to
work
and
and
under
the
leadership
of
the
mayor,
I
think
we
we
just
we
we've
got
a
lot
of
great
opportunities
here.
If
we
can
just
get
you
know
some
of
those
salaries
and
certain
positions
up
to
it
to
a
different
level.
I
F
Tom
is,
are
you
all
still
using
the
turning
leaf
candidates.
J
So
we
have,
we
currently
have
a
turning
leaf
on
streets
and
sidewalk
or
street
sweeping
right
now
as
a
ground
custodian,
and
we
do
continue
to
use
them
when
they
are
available.
Yes,.
F
I
Speaking
of
the
big
bellies,
the
big
belly
trash
cans,
I
think,
have
been
a
big
success
throughout
the
city.
We
have
a
lot
of
requests
to
have
those
at
other
places
and
we're
asking
for
some
additional
money
to
buy
some
more
this
year.
The
next
item
is
really
kind
of
a
really
tough
item:
the
the
crosstown
planners
on
everybody's
traveled
across
town.
I
It's
amazing
to
me
the
number
of
people
that
hit
those
planters-
I
mean
with
the
curb
and
everything
there
the
damage
is
done,
but
we
we've
kind
of
started
a
process
of,
and
one
of
the
reasons
they're
so
expensive
to
repair
is
zlt
makes
the
repair
happen
at
night.
It's
not
cause
traffic
gridlock,
but
one
thing
that
we've
kind
of
talked
about
in-house
and
getting
some
great
help
from
julia
and
copeland.
The
legal
team
is,
if
somebody
hits
those
those
things
we're
gonna,
try
and
go
after
them.
I
You
know
for
the
damage
to
city
property,
so
we're
working
with
our
police
department
and
our
legal
department
to
go
back
and
see
if
we
can
create
records
and
find
records
of
accidents
where
they've
actually
hit
those
and
go
after
some,
some
monies
from
the
from
the
people
that
cause
that
damage.
But
that's
that's
something
that
really
needs
to
be
done.
I
I
Moving
on
through
again,
a
lot
of
our
other
stuff
is
just
is
restoring
cuts
from
last
year
trying
to
see
if
there's
any
really
big
ones,
that
that
come
out,
but
again,
a
lot
of
small
line
items
which
we
make
cuts
and
different
things
such
as
uniforms,
protective
clothing,
where
we
cut
and
just
want
to
be
able
to
restore
those
and
printing
services,
and
things
like
that
and
office
supplies.
I
So
that's
really
kind
of
the
overall
budget
request
for
us
and
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
answer
councilmember
shade's
question:
what
we're
requesting
is
a
it's,
a
six
percent
increase
over
the
2020
budget
and
a
site
about
a
5.2
over
the
2021
budget.
So
it's
I've
always
tried
to
be
a
good
steward
of
the
city's
money
leading
this
department
and
doing
that,
but
we
still
have
to
provide
our
services
our
basic
services.
What
we're
here
for
so
I'll
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions
at
this
time.
G
Yeah
tom-
I
I
I
I
thank
you
for
all
this
level
of
detail.
I
honestly
never
think
about.
You
know
the
the
multiple
divisions
that
you
have
under
public
service,
so
it's
really
great
to
be
reminded.
Do
you
have
an
organization
chart
that
you
might
be
able
to
send
us?
That's.
G
That
would
be
great,
and
then
I
just
wanted
to
encourage
you.
I
I
own
a
significant
piece
of
guard
rail
up
in
northern
virginia
and
I
think
that
that
would
be.
You
know
the
idea
of
people
need
to
pay
for
what
they
break.
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
a
really
a
really
great
idea.
I
hope
the
state
doesn't,
you
know,
have
some
sort
of
preemptive.
G
I
That's
when
we
talked
about
it,
I
thought
with
julia
about
that
recently
we're
going
to
really
pursue
that
and
go
back
we're
researching
police
reports
and
things
of
that
nature.
There's
one
other
thing
I
did
want
to
mention
when
councilman
jackson
reminded
me,
we
last
year
made
an
attempt
with
the
psc
on
james
island,
to
to
kind
of
share
services.
I
As,
as
robert
said
in
his
presentation,
you
know,
we've
got
a
lot
of,
they
used
to
call
them
doughnut
holes,
but
you
know
we
got
mixed
city
county
things
like
that,
and
the
city
stepped
up
and
we
were.
We
were
really
ready
to
push
the
splitting
doing
a
pilot
program
with
bsd
and
we're
still
working
on
that
matt's
working
with
his
cohort
over
there
to
make
that
happen,
and
that
that's
just
something
which
I
think
will
be
a
better.
I
It's
a
better
service
if
we've
got
one
house
on
one
street
and
they've
got
seven
and
versus
reverses
same
somewhere
else
to
do
that,
and
I
also
want
to
let
you
know
that
we're
also
looking
that
charleston
county
is
trying
to
put
an
intergovernmental
agreement
between
us
and
the
town
of
james
island
and
and
so
we're
looking
at
some
things
to
do
where
we
can.
I
We
can
share
services
for
our
citizens
and
be
more
effective
instead
of
running
down
one
street
to
pick
up
a
garbage
can
when
they
pick
up
the
rest
of
them,
so
we're
working
very
hard
on
those
and
we'll
bring
those
proposals
to
public
works
in
the
next
few
months.
G
That's
great,
I
mean
I,
I
think
we
did
everything
we
possibly
could
with
the
former
leadership
of
the
psd.
So
I'm
really
glad
that
you
know
we're
we're
building
relationships
and-
and
so
I
I've
just
the
mayor-
and
I
have
agreed
that
it's
better,
for
you-
know
the
elected
officials
to
get
out
of
the
way
and
let
you
all
you
know
be
become
better
friends
honestly
in
the
way
that
you
can
help
each
other
out,
and
I
know
that
that's
been
the
goal
that
matt
altap
has
led.
You
know
ever
since
I've
been.
I
One
thing
we
did
everybody
may
not
remember,
is
they
had
a
fire
over
there
and
they
lost
some
of
their
vehicles
in
the
city
under
the
mayor
and
the
council
yeah,
we
graciously
donated
some
things
that
we
get
ready
to
deadline.
So
I
think
this
city,
we
want
to
be
a
good
friend
and
neighbor
and
partner
and
continue
to
do
those
type
things
so
we're
going
to
really
work
hard,
because
I
think
that
has
a
lot
of
benefit.
G
C
B
Thank
you,
tom
councilmember,
shade.
F
So
so
tom,
you
know
you
guys
are
like
our
ambassadors
to
our
community
and
we
don't
hear
from
them
unless
they
got
a
complaint
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
were
battling
last
year
was
this
holiday
schedule
and
when
trash
was
being
picked
up
and
not
being
picked
up,
I
saw
500
for
advertising.
Is
there
any
other
tools
that
you
think
that
you
need
to
get
word
out
to
the
community
about
the
schedule?
Because
that's
I
mean
we
two
things.
F
We
hear
complaints
about,
you're
all
scheduled
and
my
trash
can's
broke,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
would
save
us
a
lot
of
headache
is
anything
we
can
do
to
make
that
job
easier
for
you
and
matt
as
to
change
in
the
schedule
and
communicating
that
to
our
constituents.
We're.
I
Working
one
thing:
we're
working
on
in
the
in
the
process
of
those
ordinance
changes,
a
big
thing
that
you
and
other
councilmembers
on
the
committee
ask
is
an
education
process
and
we're
working
on
that
flyers
and
stickers,
and
things
like
that,
and
you
know
public
service
announcements.
I
One
thing
also,
which
we
did
is
a
little
bit
interesting,
I
think,
is
we
purchased
a
video
camera
and
the
the
interesting
thing
with
the
with
the
video
camera
is
that
we're
going
to
make
some
public
service
announcements
and
we're
going
to
work
with
our
public
information
officer
with
jack
and
his
staff,
where
we
can
create
some
little
two-minute
videos
that
we
can
post
online
to
answer
some
questions
and
have
that
and
we
will
be
looking
to
you-
know,
use
the
mayor
and
some
other
people
to
make
these
really
short
videos
and
see
what
we
can
do.
I
So
we
can
continue
to
work
from
that.
J
I
do
have
one
more
thing
that
we're
looking
at
that
will
be
in
the
I.t
budget.
It's
called
rec
collect,
tracy
myself,
robert
hawk
have
been
looking
into.
It
goes
along
with
our
route
ware
system,
it's
a
calendar,
slash
information
tool
that
will
have
push
notifications
text
messaging
and
all
these
other
features
that
we'll
be
able
to
send
out
messages
to
two
individuals,
and
we
can
you
know
if
we're
running
behind
in
a
section
of
town.
We
can
just
send
it
to
them.
J
Instead
of
sending
it
to
everybody,
we
can
pick
and
choose
who
that
message
gets
sent
out
to
it
is
they
would
have
to
subscribe,
but
they
they
do
help
us
with
that
educational
piece
get
the
residents
to
sign
up
for
that
for
that
system.
But
that
is
something
that
will
be
coming
across
in
the
it
budget
for
this
year
and
will,
I
think,
will
be
a
huge
benefit
to
our
getting
the
word
out
and
different
things
and
and
we'll
have
a
calendar
on
there
as
well.
B
J
B
J
Be
done,
it'll
be
done
via
temps,
we'll
hire
a
few
temps
to
come
in
and
they'll
follow
garbage
trucks.
That
way
we
know
all
the
carts
are
out
and
they'll
do
a
route
a
day
and
go
down
there
and
they'll
record
serial
numbers
and
addresses
so
that
way
we
know
how
many
cards
are
at
each
address
and
then
we
can
help
with
our
route
planning
a
little
better.
J
They'll
also
be
able
to
know
right
if
they've
got
more
carts
than
they're
supposed
to
have
and
different
things
like
that
will
be
entered
into
our
router
system,
where
they
can
be
tracked.
So
if
down
the
road
when
we
get
to
the
rfid
scanners,
if
we
pick
up
a
cart
and
it's
not
at
the
correct
address,
it
will
flag
us
so
that
way,
we
know
that
cart
belongs
somewhere
else.
B
Gotcha,
I
think,
long
term-
that's
a
really
important
thing
for
us
to
get
done,
so
we
can
kind
of
move
to
the
next
level
or
two
of
technology
to
help
us
with
all
of
this.
So
anyway,
I
was
just
curious.
How
that
worked
on
on
sidewalks
did
y'all
basically
lead
the
budget
same
as
last
year
on
sidewalk
repairs,
kind
of
the
general
budget.
I
Matt
did
we,
we
did
increase
that.
I
think
part
of
that
was
a
replacement
for
costs
last
year
than
we
were.
J
B
Oh
good,
it
said
pavement
so
that
I
guess
wasn't
clear
to
me:
that's
that's
our
sidewalks
budget.
I
Mayor,
I
don't,
I
don't
want
to
put
man
on
the
spot
matt.
I
apologize
if
you
don't
remember,
but
we
just
finished
using
our
sidewalk
grinding
contract
and
we
concentrated
south
abroad.
But
matt.
Do
you
kind
of
remember
roughly
what
we
talked
about?
How
we
saved
using
that
as
far
as
replacing
panels.
J
So
yeah
we
did
everything
south
abroad
with
some
of
the
extra
money
that
was
placed
in
that
fund
for
this
year
to
make
up
for
the
hundred
thousand,
that
was
cut.
We
spent
115
thousand
dollars
on
the
everything
south
abroad
that
had
concrete
sidewalks
and
working
with
that
company.
We
figured
it
would
cost
us
to
repair
or
replace
all
those
panels
about
1.7
million
dollars.
F
You
brought
that
sidewalk
question
up
here,
so
I
can't
I
can't
let
that
go.
Do
we
get
we
get
reimbursed
by
the
state?
Don't
we
for
the
those
side,
work
repairs?
Don't
we
get
a?
Do?
We
get
a
kick
in
of
money
for
we
we
take
all
the
responsibility
for
the
assad
work.
I
mean
I've
complained
about
this
since
day
when
I'm
on
council,
but
the
sidewalks
are
now
our
responsibility.
I
thought
we
got
paid
for
that
by
the
state.
No,
we
don't
get
anything
from
that.
B
F
It
revolves
just
one
direction,
not
not
back
around,
and
this
is
sort
of
what
we
were
talking
about
last
night
at
the
revitalization
commission
meeting
with
things
along
these
lines,
and
some
of
them
were
signage
that
we
spent
a
good
bit
of
time
chatting
about,
but
these
these
damn
sidewalks
we
get
stuck
with
this
bill
of
over
a
million
dollars.
I
mean
I
can
give
you
probably
half
a
million
dollars
of
repairs
just
off
of
old
town
road
that
need
need
to
be
addressed.
F
F
Need
to
jump
in
real,
quick,
but
part
of
that
is
whether
or
not
we
can
tap
into
that
pool.
We
discussed
last
night
from
the
governor's
office
on
that
stimulus
money
anyhow,.
K
Agree
with
your
little
councilman
dude,
it's
a
sore
subject
and
you're
so
right
to
keep
hitting
that
to
get
some
solution
out
of
state
one
day.
But
mr
brown,
I
wanted
to
compliment
you
for
the
professionalism
that
you
certainly
have
brought
to
this
department
and
your
leadership
that
you
brought.
I
I
appreciate
the
way
you
laid
everything
out
you
and
your
team
and
mr
all
talk
and
others
are
really
up
the
level
to
the
tune
where
our
private
sector
have
to
match
your
service.
K
Sometimes
people
think
the
contractors
on
the
outside
are
obviously
better
they're,
not
better
than
our
department.
So
thank
you
for
what
you
do,
but
my
question
is
really
to
miss
wharton.
I
think
we're
gonna
find
a
theme
where
our
people
are
underpaid.
K
How
in
the
world
do
we
put
a
priority
on
upgrading
our
people's
pay,
and
I'm
just
I
just
mean-
I
think
we're
going
to
see
this
as
a
theme
mrs,
come
here
throughout
city
government
right.
I
spoke
to
mr
fountain.
I
know
he's
not
here
but
and
trying
to
get
ditches
clean
and
he
just
told
me
almost
out
of
frustration.
We
all
know
how
how
calm
and
cool
matt
felton
is
I
mean
he
doesn't.
This
pulse
doesn't
rise
that
much.
K
So
how
do
we
put-
and
maybe
this
is
not
the
answer-
I'm
not
looking
for
an
answer
today,
but
it's
what,
but
certainly
if
we
were
to
come
through
it,
because
if
north
charleston
does
something
right
now
that
we
think
we
can't
afford
we're,
gonna
lose
people,
okay,
and
if
we
don't
have
the
people
to
do
the
public
works
to
do
the
planning
you
know
to
do
to
keep
our
fire
across
the
board.
We're
gonna
be
we're.
K
How
would
we
do
that?
In
other
words,
obviously,
if
we
had
the
money,
we'd
get
everybody
at
10
periods,
I'd
vote
for
that
right
now
we
don't
have
the
money,
but
if
there's
some
sources
that,
if
we
knew
we
had
to
do,
pay
raises
in
particular
for
retention,
what
are
some
some
of
the
things
we
have
to
cut
out
doing
and
make
that
a
priority.
I
guess
we're
going.
K
Budget,
because
what
the
you
know,
our
department
heads
are
coming
in
with
some
very
good
requests:
they're
not
out
of
line,
but
we
all
know
we're
dealing
with
diminishing
resources.
K
But
I
don't
know
if
we've
ever
looked
at
it
from
the
standpoint
of
let's
take
care
of
people
first
and
from
the
source
as
we
can
and
then
and
go
from
there.
Some
is
what,
if
we,
if
we
were
to
put
priority
on
on
raising
the
debate
to
the
point
to
where
we
can
just
be
competitive,
where
north
charleston
and
the
county's
not
paying
more
than
us
until
we
do
that.
D
So
councilmember
waring
we
would
have
to
do-
is
all
these.
D
We
were
kind
of
at
this
point.
If
you
remember-
and
we
said
we
have
to
do
this
like
this-
is
we
have
to
do
this
for
everybody,
because
what
happens
is
exactly
what
tom
is
talking
about?
What
we
end
up
doing
is:
okay,
we
have
one
group
of
people
we're
losing
a
lot
of
people,
so
we
look
at
those
salaries
and
we
try
to
make
adjustments
and
make
it
work
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
storm
water
now
is
having
all
kinds
of
problems.
D
D
So,
and
and
councilman
jackson
can
probably
speak
to
this
too,
from
the
hr
committee,
we
had
several
different
recommendations
come
through
the
hr
committee,
because
there's
our
attrition
rate
is
terrible,
not
sworn
sworn
is
doing.
Okay,
it's
nonstorm,
we're
losing
people
badly
and
pretty
much
every
single
department,
and
then
we
can't
hire
people,
so
we
can
bring
to
ad
hoc
to
when
we
have
our
next
meeting
the
attrition
rates
and
everything.
K
D
And
mayor
for
me
to
say
this
now
is
an
increase
in
minimum
wage
over
the
next
three
years,
which
will
also
push
through
an
increase
for
all
of
our
employees,
because
you
have
that
that
compression
issue,
so
you
would
have
to
change
the
whole
entire
pay
plan
in
order
to
make
this
work.
So
that's
what
we
plan
to
bring
forth
to
the
ad
hoc
committee.
Once
we
get
past
these
departmental
discussions.
H
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
just
to
maybe
piggyback
on
what
councilman
waring
just
mentioned,
which
I
thought
was
a
extremely
important
point
that
we
need
to
be
grappling
with
is,
I
think
part
of
the
answer
to
the
question
is:
if
we,
as
a
council,
need
to
stop
having
panic
attacks
when
we
start
talking
about
you
know
two
mil
three
mil
tax
increases,
I
mean
you
know.
I
made
the
comment
the
other
day
about
the
parks
bond
I
mean,
we've
got
a
champagne,
taste
and
a
beer
budget.
H
We
have
it
in
large
geographic,
sprawling
city.
We
have
constituents
that
rightly
demand
a
certain
level
of
service,
be
it
public
works,
be
it
storm
water.
What
have
you
we
need
to
stack
these
positions?
I
mean
the
money's
got
to
come
from
somewhere
we're
limited
into
what
we're
allowed
to.
You
know,
do
fiscally
under
state
law.
You
know
we
got
to
start
looking
at.
You
know
the
revenue
side
of
things
and
and
I'm
open
to
all
solutions
where
we
can
have
them.
H
But
you
know,
as
a
council,
we've
got
to
put
our
big
boy.
You
know
big
boy,
pants
and
big
girl,
pants
and
skirts,
or
whatever
you
want
to
wear
when
we're
having
some
of
these
conversations
and
not
just
getting
these
very
you
know,
I
don't
know
what
to
call
it,
but
we've
we've
all
seen
it.
We
just
need
to
start
kind
of
manning
up
a
little
bit
on
some
of
these
issues
and
paying
our
folks
what
they
deserve
and
keeping
this
the
city
staffed.
H
I
mean
it's
very
easy
to
talk
about
how
much
we
appreciate
our
folks,
but
we
need
to
start
putting
our
money
where
our
mouth
is
and
again
we're
talking,
20
30,
40
50
a
year
for
most
people.
I
mean
it's,
not
it's
not
that
serious
and
and
the
amount
of
benefit
we
could
get
from
that.
I
think
can
be
really
really
transformative.
So
just
something
to
think
about.
B
I
appreciate
that
thought
and
again,
as
amy
said
we'll
take
on
this
issue
directly
after
we
get
past
the
departments
and
and
council
remember
repel
makes
a
good
point,
because
there's
sometimes
this
mentality
that
oh
there's
all
this
fat
out
there
that
we,
if
we
just
cut
all
this
fat,
we
could,
you
know,
increase
salaries
a
little
bit
and
amy
runs
a
pretty
tight
ship
y'all
and
you
know,
as
we
looked
at
the
potential
budget
cuts
over
the
last
year,
or
so
we
all
saw
that
so
yeah,
sometimes
to
do
what
you
feel
like
you
got
to
do
we're
going
to
have
to
look
at
the
revenue
side,
no
question
about
it
all
right!
B
Thank
you,
tom!
Thank
you.
Matt
keep
up
the
good
work
and
good
presentation.
Next
up
is
parks
department,
mr
jason
kronsberg.
L
L
He
resigned
so
we're
back
to
one
hvac
tech
and
again
some
of
these
positions
have
been
open
for
up
to
two
years,
with
very
few
qualified
applicants
applying
for
them.
So
it
it's
definitely
a
challenge
for
us
to
to
keep
doing
the
work
that
we
do.
We
just
opened
up
three
very
large
facilities
this
year
and
we're
still
down
all
those
positions,
so
it
does
affect
us
considerably
when
we
try
to
do
our
daily
work
and
keep
our
facilities
and
parks
up
to
the
par
that
everyone
expects.
L
G
L
Okay,
so
for
this
year,
first
and
foremost,
is
to
to
get
back
our
overtime
numbers.
You
know
when
it
when
it
rains,
we
have
to
use
the
weekends
to
catch
up,
especially
for
grounds
maintenance
and
athletic
fields.
We
plant
trees.
Every
year
we
don't.
We
like
to
water
trees
on
the
weekend,
we've
gotten
a
little
bit
more
efficient
with
that,
but
we
don't
like
to
take
our
regular
maintenance
day
from
the
work
week
to
water
trees.
There's
so
many
things
there.
L
You
know
trashing
the
parks
tree
maintenance,
all
of
it
so
that
that's
one
of
our
biggest
priorities
is
to
get
that
overtime
back,
which
it
really
does
supplement
our
our
staffing
levels,
and
so
we
we
use
those
weekends
to
catch
up
on
a
lot
of
stuff,
and
I
won't
go
through
every
single
line
item
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
but
I'm
going
to
keep
going
through.
L
A
lot
of
these
are
kind
of
refilling,
the
the
fund
from
our
covered
reductions,
tree
pruning,
contract,
arbor
services,
palmetto
pruning
so
with
we
have
five
people
on
our
forestry
crew
right
now
that
goes
from
daniel
island
across
all
of
our
boroughs,
through
the
peninsula,
west,
ashley,
johns
and
james
island.
So,
with
with
five
to
six
guys
it
we
have
about
a
six-month
backlog
in
tree
requests.
L
There
are
certain
expectations
that
people
see
over
the
past
couple
of
years.
We,
with
the
help
of
the
frc
and
yourselves
we've,
been
able
to
fund
a
lot
more
contract
pruning,
especially
for
palmetto
trees
around
the
city.
There's
no
way
for
us
to
do
it
all.
So.
We've
been
relying
on
a
lot
of
these
contract
services
around
the
city
to
get
the
work
done
and
we're
starting
to
hear
a
lot
of
complaints
this
year
that
the
areas
that
we've
been
pruning
via
contract
over
the
past
couple
years.
L
Well,
the
stuff's
not
getting
done
this
year,
and-
and
we
continue
to
say
that
you
know
we're
in
a
tough
budget
year
and
you're,
just
going
to
have
to
be
patient
with
us
until
our
our
budgets
get
re-established
and
then
and
I'll
say
also
say
that
with
and
you've
heard
this
from
other
departments
as
well
with
the
multiple
divisions.
You
know,
we
serve
all
of
our
internal
clients.
L
L
So
that's
that's
the
65
000
replacement,
the
next
one
you
see,
which
I
changed
today,
which
is
different
than
your
current
pack,
is
some
unforeseen
conditions
we
found
at
the
ballpark
when
we
were
doing
our
electrical
service
repair,
the
entire
electrical
feed
coming
into
that
building
was
below
grade
in
and
the
conduits
have
separated
and
there's
a
chance
that
the
whole
system
could
get
shorted
out
if
those
conduits
shift
anymore
so
that
whole
system,
the
the
main
feeds
to
that
facility,
need
to
come
out.
Those
sleeves
need
to
be
reinstalled
and
new
wires
run.
L
We
really
need
to
get
that
done
this
year,
while
the
contractor
is
on
site
and
and
can
get
it
done,
while
they're
there
some
items
like
the
moultrie
park,
restroom,
there's
there's
a
leak
underneath
the
slab
we
have
to
excavate
this
lab
and
get
that
fixed.
You
know
it's
a
pretty
major
project
that
there's
not
a
lot
of
return
on
it,
but
it
needs
to
get
it
needs
to
happen.
L
A
lot
of
these
things
are,
you
can't
see
either
so
you
know
they're
big
ticket
items
but
they're
things
that
need
to
happen.
Ag
supplies
budgets.
This
is
how
we
fertilize
our
fields.
This
is
how
we
put
out
the
ant
bait,
which
is
which
takes
the
fire
ants
out
of
our
athletic
fields
and
protects
the
children
line.
Item
number
eight,
this
this
is
fire
station
19
and
fire
station
18
renovations.
L
So
again
you
can
see
that
the
breadth
in
which
these
line
items
cross
across
the
city
we
have
herbert
hazel
pool,
exterior
repair
needs
at
50,
000,
construction,
materials
and
supplies
restoration,
and
then
we
have
a
city-wide
street
tree
inventory
need
so
we
don't
know
what
we
have
out
there
and
we
need
a
better
way
to
track
the
work
that
we
do
and
we
need
a
better
way
to
track
the
areas
that
need
tree
planting.
We,
you
know,
we
we
plant
a
lot
of
trees
every
year,
whether
it's
a
private
development.
L
You
know
in
the
newer
parts
of
the
city
or
it's
the
the
hundred
or
so
trees
that
we
plant
with
our
own
staff,
but
we
need
an
inventory
to
know
what
we
have
know
the
condition
of
what
we
have
and
it'll
help
us
budget
and
prioritize
the
work
to
come
irrigation
controllers.
This
is
part
of
our
original
johnson
controls
energy
performance
contract.
L
We
have
some
some
old,
outdated
equipment
out
there
that
that
needs
to
be
repaired
and
that
are
being
operated
manually
right
now
and
then
some
of
these
things
that
you
see
coming
up
here
in
hampstead
square,
you
know
for
the
past
couple
years
we've
been
trying
to
do
some
landscape
enhancements
in
hampstead
square
gus.
Those
budgets
got
cut
due
to
covet
and
we
did
recently
get
a
aarp
neighborhood
grant
so
we're
working
to
find
matches
to
that.
L
Well,
there
was
no
match
required
for
that,
but
we're
getting
ready
to
start
some
work
in
hampshire
square,
but
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
still
needs
to
happen
in
hampstead
square.
We
need
the
funding
to
to
upfit
those
old
park
spaces.
A
lot
of
them
were
identified
in
the
parks
and
rec
plan
that
you
all
saw.
L
There's
a
there's,
a
whole
planter
along
meeting
street
at
marion
square
that
we
prepped
for
irrigation
work
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago
prior
to
covet,
but
two
years
ago-
and
you
know
we
didn't-
have
the
money
to
get
the
plants
back
in
there,
washington,
parkside
replacement
by
city
hall.
This
is
an
area
that
that
you
know
sees
millions
of
visitors
a
year
and
it's
a
tough
place
to
grow
grass,
but
every
we've
figured
out
every
every
four
or
five
years
we
need
to
go
in
and
and
just
redo
all
the
grass.
L
It's
just
it's
something
that
we
have
to
do.
We
want
to
make
our
park
spaces
shine
like
they
should
again
rag
square
landscape
renovation.
This
is
an
area
that
we
work
on
with
the
charleston
park
parks,
conservancy,
we've
done
little
bits
and
pieces
over
the
years.
We've
done
the
front
steps.
Many
years
ago
we
did
the
first
third
of
the
park
with
the
charleston
parks
conservancy.
Now
we
have
two
thirds
of
the
parks
that
remains
to
get
pathway,
refurbishments,
irrigation,
upfits
and
side
and
landscaping.
L
Here's
a
request
that
came
from
the
neighborhood
in
ferguson
village.
You
know
they
want
us
to
to
beautify
their
park
space,
so
this
is
to
to
plant
and
and
irrigate
annual
and
perennial
plantings
along
the
ball
field
that
gives
that
streetscape
and
that
that's
that
curb
appeal:
we've
never
had
a
line
item
for
annual
plant
replacements.
That's
line
item
number
18..
So
in
a
lot
of
our
parks,
you
know
the
only
thing
constant
about
landscape
certainly
has
changed.
So
we
don't
have
a
budget
that
we
use
to
buy
plants
from.
L
We
grow
a
lot
of
plants
in
our
greenhouse,
but
we've
never
had
anything
that
we
could
go
and
replace
plants
that
have
died
so,
for
instance,
down
at
gadsden
borough
and
liberty
square
the
past
two
or
three
hurricanes
that
have
covered
up
those
landscapes
with
salt
water,
even
at
waterfront
park.
The
trees
are
in
decline.
It
takes
a
couple
years
for
that
salt
water
to
take
effect,
but
you
lose
plants,
you
lose
trees,
you're
not
covered
by
fema,
and
we
need
line
items
to
to
replant
those
things.
L
L
We've
gotten
a
lot
of
great
equipment
over
the
past
couple
years,
but
we
still
need
more
low
country
senior
center
with
the
opening
of
wearing
senior
center,
the
existing
low
country
senior
center.
It's
it's
outdated
and
they're
they're
requesting
that
that
city-owned
facility
gets
some
upgrades.
You
know
there's
some
cabinetry
that
needs
to
be
replaced,
there's
a
request
for
flooring
and
new
lighting
and
painting-
and
these
are
things
that
we
don't
have
in
our
current
maintenance
budgets.
L
Horticultural
specialized
supplies,
our
annual
seat
replacement
for
the
for
the
ballpark
every
year
we've
been
taking
this
35
thousand
dollars
and
and
replacing
as
many
seats
as
we
can
in
chunks.
So,
if
you
go
out
there
you'll
see
the
seats
that
are
very
faded.
You
can't
see
the
numbers
and
they
get
brittle.
So
it's
just
another
thing
that
we
try
to
do
every
year.
L
Of
course,
as
you
all
know,
we
own
the
facility
there's
another
request
that
the
ballpark
dugouts
mat
dug
up
mats,
get
replaced
again,
some
more
ot
restoration
in
facilities
and
electrical.
We
got
a
roof
at
hazel,
parker
playground
that
needs
to
be
replaced.
That's
been
on
our
list
for
a
couple
years:
it's
not
currently
leaking,
but
we
need
to
get
it
replaced
before
before
they
fail.
L
L
We
need
a
lot
more,
but
that's
all
identified
in
the
parks
and
rec
master
plan,
but
these
are
the
baby
steps
that
we've
been
able
to
achieve
over
the
past
couple
years
and
then,
of
course,
having
to
balance
the
budget.
You
know
some
of
these
things
got
cut
so
again,
some
more
overtime
back
to
you
know
the
gatsboro
park
plant
replacements
lake
daughter
stocking
the
grass
carp
to
help
control
the
duckweed
that
grows
in
there
and
then
the
liberty
square
landscape
renovation.
So
a
lot
of
talking
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
L
Again
back
to
the
parks
and
rec
plan,
this
is
a
not
even
a
dent
and
what
our
needs
are.
But
these
are
some
of
the
immediate
needs
that
that
we
need
to
kind
of
address
and
keep
moving
forward
to
make
places
better,
which
has
kind
of
been
my
career.
Since
I
got
out
of
college
as
a
landscape
architect,
just
to
always
leave
something
better
than
I
found
it
so
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
any
specifics
that
you
may
have.
F
L
I
mean
immediately,
I
need
all
the
positions
filled
that
we
have
open,
but
that's
hard.
You
know,
I've
got.
I've
got
a
whole
forestry
crew.
That's
open.
I've
got
three
groundskeepers.
I
got
tradesmasters
plumbers
painters,
I
I
mean
you
name.
It
we've
got
it
open
and
they've
been.
Most
of
them
have
been
open
for
a
long
time.
F
F
F
To
the
problem
we're
just
talking
about
with
pay,
yes,
sir,
okay.
F
So
I
mean
that:
that's
that's
your
main
obstacle
is
you
got
the
money
set
aside
for
for
those
positions
you
just
can't
recruit
people
to
come
in
and
fill
them.
G
Thank
thank
you.
Thanks
a
lot
jason.
I
I
really
appreciate
your
the
way.
The
way
that
you
think
about
things-
and
you
know
I've
had
a
shadow
of
a
job
like
you.
Do,
I'm
sure
it
wakes
you
up
in
the
night
worrying
about
who's,
going
to
put
the
pain
on
the
peeling.
You
know
walls,
so
you
have
my
empathy
as
much
as
I
can
deliver
it.
I
I
also,
I
think,
in
your
part-time
job.
G
You
could
be
the
sort
of
budget
psychologist
for
the
rest
of
your
colleagues
around
the
city,
because
it's
it's
tough
to
have
to
think
in
all
these
levels
of
you
know,
work
and
and
work
plans
and
details,
and-
and
you
do
it-
you
know-
I
I
think
very
graciously
to
the
rest
of
us
who
are
just
sort
of
saying.
Well,
what
do
you
need?
Fifteen
thousand
dollars
for
that
shouldn't
matter,
so
I
empathize.
G
My
my
my
memory
question
is:
it
seemed
like
the
the
last.
You
know
three
plus
years
that
I've
been
looking
at
the
budget
with
some
responsibility
that
that
you
had
put
forward,
and
maybe
this
comes
under
admin,
so
maybe
I'm
just
asking
at
the
wrong
time,
but
there
there
was.
There
was
a
big
number
on
the
budget
that
I
would
I'm
thinking
about.
That
was
just
to
literally
inventory
and
survey
all
of
our
building
like
preventive.
You
know:
restoration,
maintenance,
the
the
bigger
ticket
items.
G
L
Yes
and
we've
been
talking
about
that
for
a
couple
years,
with
amy
and
and
everyone
else,
and
in
the
parks
and
facilities
and
capital
projects
that,
just
like
the
parks
and
rec
plan,
a
facilities
assessment's
going
to
show
us
what
our
immediate
needs
are,
there's
going
to
be
sticker
shock
literally
give
us
a
road
map
forward
and
not
just
kind
of
the
whack-a-mole
or
you
know
the
most
urgent
roof
leak
again
sticker
shot.
Yes,
but
it
gives
us
a
roadmap
for
the
way
forward
on
budgeting
and
capital
funding.
G
Are
there
any
foundations
or
anything
now
that
would
be,
you
know
eligible
to
to
make
some
sort
of
grant
for
for
part
of
that
kind
of
effort.
I
mean
you
know
back
in
the
day,
the
national
trust
had
those
sorts
of
resources
and
their
shadow
of
what
they
used
to
be
able
to
budget
when
they
were
supported
by
the
federal
government
at
some
high
level
percentage,
but
truly
there's
like
some
foundations.
That
would
really
want
us
to
know
what
we're
looking
at,
not.
L
G
L
I
think
that
the
the
biggest
need,
probably-
and
I
think,
amy
and
and
chief
korea,
if
he's
on
here,
is,
is
really
getting
our
public
safety
facilities
up
to,
in
some
cases,
a
livable
condition.
L
B
So
so,
in
effect,
we
we
have
been
doing
that
kind
of
assessment
on
the
fire
stations,
but
not
necessarily
our
other
buildings
and
facilities.
Is
that
right,
jason
and
did
did
you
include
anything
in
this
year's
budget
to
do
such
an
assessment.
L
No,
we
didn't
what
we
have
been
doing
with
the
help
of
chief
couria
is.
Is
we
have
a
a
specific
project
manager
assigned
to
the
fire
department
now?
So
he
so
he
works
with
the
fire
department,
leadership
and
we
come
up
with
them
on
the
prioritization
plan,
for
the
next
station
need
from
a
capital
maintenance
point
of
view,
new
stations
are
on
the
capital
plan,
but
from
a
maintenance
point
of
view.
That's
what
you
see
a
lot
of
in
these
lists,
so
you
know
we're
making
good
headway.
L
We
have
some
some
good
projects
that
are
happening
with
some
of
our
historic
stations
downtown.
We
know
that
there's
some
pretty
immediate
needs
for
fire
station
two
and
three.
If
these
facilities
are
over
100
years
old
and
but
not
only
those
historic
facilities,
but
it's
it's
the
small
ranch
house
that
was
converted
into
a
fire
station
somewhere
in
the
city.
You
know
these
are
the
things
that
you
know.
It's
the
quality
of
life,
things
for
the
for
the
for
the
the
teams
that
work
out
of
those
facilities.
D
Can
I
just
add
something
to
that
jason
because
we
did.
We
had
talked
for
two
years
about
a
whole
city-wide
building
facility
study
and
we
had
talked
about
if
we
were
able
to
fund
that
that
we
would
focus
on
fire
stations
first.
So
jason
did
not
put
that
in
this
budget
this
year,
but
we
can.
We
can
talk
about
that
in
ad
hoc
again
in
terms
of
how
we
might
be
able
to
fund
that
this
year.
D
But
there
is
no
formal,
there's
been
no
formal
review
of
the
fire
stations
or
any
of
our
buildings
at
all,
we're
just
kind
of
picking.
You
know
which
stations
we
think
need
to
have
the
most
work
done
to
them
and
doing
it.
That
way,
but
there's
not
been
a
formal
study,
let's
say
or
review
of
the
facilities
themselves.
B
Right
and
I
see
edmund
moe's
picture
popped
up
on
the
screen
edmond.
C
I
did
want
to
add,
though,
that
for
the
parking
garages
we
did
do
an
assessment
of
those,
and
we
consider
that
as
part
of
our
inventory
and
councilwoman
jackson,
I
think
he
might
have
been
on
that
selection
committee,
but
you
know
we
have.
I
actually
have
a
proposal
on
my
my
desk
right
now
to
do
the
the
repairs
necessary
for
those
facilities
and
bfrc
has
budgeted
for
that.
It's
just
had
to
get
into
the
the
pipeline
of
all
the
other
projects
that
they're
working
on
right
now,
but
that's
that's
12
facilities.
G
B
So
so
maybe
we
think
about
this
take
a
bite
of
the
elephant
at
a
time
and
we
did
an
assessment
on
the
garages
we
kind
of
through
this
process
been
looking
at
the
fire
stations-
let's
maybe
maybe
not
put
in
the
budget,
the
money
to
do
everything
you
know
in
one
year,
but
pick
out
the
rest
of
the
public
safety
facilities
and
do
them
next
and
then
the
next
year
do
the
park
houses
and
the
year
after
you
know
take
take
it
a
step
at
a
time
and
at
least
we'll
start
to
catch
up
a
little
bit
anyway.
F
Thank
you,
miss
amanda
and
chief
courier
was
on
a
few
moments
ago.
He
and
I
had
just
been
discussing
that
particular
issue
that
eamonn
has
brought
up.
Let
me
tell
you
what
jason's
brought
up
and
I've
asked
him
if
he
could
to
try
to
work
out
a
schedule
on
so
on
either
friday
morning
or
friday
afternoon,
that
we
could
start
taking
tours
of
the
facilities
that
he's
identified.
F
That
need
immediate
attention
in
particular,
give
us
an
update
on
some
of
the
facilities
that
being
renovated
like
the
canister
facility
and
what's
going
on
on
the
huge
street
facility
station
and
then
several
years
ago
I
took
a
tour
of
all
the
ones
out
in
on
daniel
island
and
some
of
the
ones
in
west
ashley.
So
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
counsel
an
indiana
staff
member
to
do
a
walk
through
to
see
these
facilities
and
the
conditions
that
they're
in
and
then
do
a
more
formal
professional
assessment
inventory.
F
But
sometimes
when
you
have
the
visual,
you
have
a
better
idea
of
what
we're
looking
at.
With
these
things
and
to
your
point
there
we
don't
need
to.
You
know
this
is
an
elephant.
We
take
one
bite
at
a
time
with
it,
but
maybe
it
will
give
us
sort
of
an
idea
of
how
we
want
to
start
tackling
this.
This
is
this
is
a
huge
problem
for
public
safety
issues
dealing
with
these
fire
stations,
the
livability
conditions
that
some
of
these
men
and
women
live
in
in
our
our
response
time.
So
it's
it's.
F
We've
covered
we're
doing
an
excellent
job
with
the
fire
department
and
what
we
what
we've
got
available
to
us,
but
on
the
other
hand,
we've
just
got
to
start
looking
at
this
long-term
solution.
As
you
said,
mayor
assad
will
resolve
it
in
one
budget
year,
but
hopefully
this
tour,
the
chief,
is
setting
up.
We
can
give
us
a
visual
aid
on
that
gotcha.
Anything.
C
No
sorry,
I
think
you
I
think
you've
got
it
covered.
You
know
I
sent.
H
In
a
memo
to
all
members
of
council
into
the
mayor,
it's
been
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
now.
C
Us
and
edmund's
a
good
partner.
I
don't
really
think
with
those
three
that
the
the
case
has
to
be
made
that
that
massive
amounts
of
work
have
to
be
done,
but
I
also
realize
we're
not
the
only
ones
with
needs,
so
if
we
want
to
focus
on
the
fire
facilities
first
and
then
and
move
off
to
the
rest
of
public
safety
or,
however,
the
city
wants
to
plan
it
out.
I
do
think
it's
appropriate
and
I
appreciate
the
conversation.
G
Yeah,
it's
just
occurred
to
me
as
you
were
talking
there
and
then
everybody
else
that
maybe
a
good
way
to
take
you
know
more
of
an
incremental
tactic
would
be
to
start
with
the
vulnerability
assessment
and
see
you
know
physically
what
our,
what
our
physical
assets
are.
That
would
be
in
the
priority
details
of
that
report.
B
Yeah,
I'm
not
sure
that
it
got
down
to
that
in
the
weeds
to
that
level,
but
maybe
it
did.
We
can
go
back
and
check
that.
Okay,
I
did
have
two
questions
myself.
Speaking
of
grants
jason
it.
I
could
certainly
understand
difficult
to
find
a
grant
for
for
buildings
assessment,
but
the
one
thing
you
got
on
here
that
what
about
that
tree
inventory?
B
Is
that
something
that
maybe
the
arbor
you
know
foundation
or
some
group
like
that-
would
help
us
with
I
mean,
might
be
worth
doing
a
google
search
or
getting
sarah
to
take
a
look
at
for
us.
B
And
then
my
other
question
is
probably
more
of
an
amy
question
and
I
know
amy,
you
can
report
things,
you
know
various
ways
by
your
codes
and
all
and
when
I
I
see
that
the
total
budget
here,
the
bottom
line
is
a
12.07
increase
over
last
year,
but
it
you
know
it
includes
what
I
would
call
capital
projects,
kind
of
expenses
like
the
electrical
service
or
the
fire
station
renovation
or
the
low
country
senior
center
renovation
and
the
hazel
parker
roof.
B
Things
like
that,
you
know,
seem
to
be
outside
of
the
the
regular
operating
budget
of
the
park
department.
Do
you
in
terms
of
looking
at
the
departmental
change
increase
from
one
year
to
the
next,
can?
Can
you
do
that
without
having
those
kinds
of
items
in
there.
D
So
amir,
those
are
projects
that
are
actually
budgeted
in
the
general
fund,
they're,
not
in
the
capital
projects
division.
So
that's
why
they're
included
in
the
number.
C
B
Well,
maybe
just
when
you
report
it,
you
can
say
well
the
park's
operating
budget
is
this
and
it's
gone
up
three
percent,
and
for
year
to
year
you
have,
like
you
say,
a
maintenance
or
kind
of
mini
capital
projects
that
are
funded
through
the
general
fund.
It
just
seems
like
excuse
the
numbers
from
one
year
to
the
next.
It
would
seem
to
me,
based
on
how
much
of
that
we
requesting
and
putting
into
the
parks
department
budget,
but.
D
B
It'd
be
if
it's
not
too
hard,
I
mean
somebody
could
say
well,
gee
parks
went
up
12
and
you
know
some
other
department
only
went
up
three
percent,
but
it's
it's.
You
get
my
point.
It's
not
because
of
a
bunch
of
operational
costs.
It's
just
because
we're
fixing
a
fire
station,
but
anyway
yeah.
G
Mr
mayor,
that
was
sort
of
my
point
too
and
asking
about
robert's
one
time.
You
know
big
big
numbers
that
I
mean
I.
I
certainly
am
nobody
to
to
question.
G
You
know
how
we
designate
things,
but
when
I
was
doing
housing
work
we
would
always
in
it
would
be
these
same
sorts
of
things,
they're,
not
big
enough
to
be
capital
projects
or
whatever,
but
they
were
one-time
costs
and
it
would
be
within
the
general
fund
but
then
designated
for
a
specific
purpose
so
that
it
wouldn't
flow
up
into
the
year
to
year
to
year
changes
of
just
the
operating
numbers.
So
I
I
think
that's
what
you
were
trying
to
get
at
maren
so
was
I
I.
D
Understand
what
you're
saying,
however,
we
have
these
projects
every
year,
you
know
and
so
they're
in
there
every
single
year,
it's
just
different
things:
different
fire
stations
that
we're
fixing
up
our
other
buildings
that
we're
doing
renovations,
and
so
those
numbers
really
are
in
their
budget
every
year,
they're
just
for
different
projects.
So
yeah,
it's
a
one
time.
It's
a
one
time
cost
for
this
fire
station
this
year
and
it's
a
one-time
cost
for
the
next
year
and
for
a
different
station.
D
B
B
K
B
Well,
thank
you,
jason
and
appreciate
all
your
fine
work
and
efforts.
You've
got
a
lot
on
your
plates
and
we
appreciate
it
so
for
your
support.
What's
that,
I.
B
D
Can
you
see
my
screen?
Okay?
Yes,
yes,
yes,
ma'am!
I
lose
all
of
for
some
reason.
Okay,
so
it's
just
our
update
for
stimulus
funds.
D
We
had
a
few
changes
from
our
last
meeting,
just
based
on
conversations
we
had
with
the
mayor
mayor's
office
really,
so
we
had
presented
to
you
a
three
percent
bonus
to
all
our
city,
employees
and
after
our
meeting,
the
mayor
asked
us
to
revisit
and
scale
this
to
offer
our
lowest
paid
employees
a
higher
amount.
D
So
this
is
what
it
would
look
like.
So
the
purple
column
here
is
the.
When
we
said
we
said
three
percent
bonus
for
everybody,
because
that's
probably
what
we
would
have
given
as
a
cola
and
that's
what
it
would
look
like
average
bonus
for
each
of
the
pay
grades
and
we
took
out
fire
department
sworn
in
police
sworn
to
show
you
what
what
so
we
just
had
non-sworn
versus
sworn
and
then
the
new
structure
of
the
two
and
a
half
to
four
and
a
half
percent
for
each
pay
grade.
B
So,
as
you
all
can
see
that
that
equalizes
things
a
little
bit-
and
you
know
it
gives
a
a
little
better
bump
to
to
those
who
are
in
our
lower
paid
positions
and
and
with
all
the
discussion
we've
had
about
those
positions
in
particular,
I
I
thought
this
would
be
a
fair
approach
under
the
circumstances
and
still
still
have
a
nice
nice
bonus
for,
for
those
who
are,
you
know
higher
higher
income
in
the
city
staff,
and
I
wanted
to
run
it
by
you
before
we
brought
it
to
ways
and
means.
B
But
anyway,
what
do
y'all
think.
F
C
C
F
D
F
D
G
F
Just
gives
us
a
good,
a
good
sort
of
ballpark
idea
of
what
we're
looking
at,
and
I
see
what
the
mayor
is
doing
and
the
reason
for
asking
that
question,
and
I
and
I
followed
the
logic
and
going
to
the
lower
paid
folks
getting
a
4.5
increase,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
how
much
we
can
play
with
the
2.5
percent
to
bring
that
up
to
3
or
even
3.5.
F
D
Yes,
so
that's
the
unclassified
pay
grade
as
department
heads
and
obviously
that
they
would
be
they'll
get
the
least.
B
K
Thank
you,
mr
man.
I
guess
what
I
I
see
what
you're
doing
mr
mayor.
Let's
say
I
disagree
with,
but
I
just
started
thinking
about
out
in
the
world
of
out
in
the
hinterland
and
1700
to
1800
employees.
K
I
just
kind
of
like
the
three
percent
across
the
board,
not
because
it
costs
less,
but
I
mean
it
could
be
the
same
amount,
but
I
like
three
percent
across
the
board
because
it
doesn't
matter
what
employee
speaks
to
the
other.
They
say
what
how
much
of
a
bonus
did
you
get
and
say?
Well,
I
got
four
point:
one:
nine
percent,
so
what'd
you
get,
I
got
2.65.
K
I
don't
know
whether
that
helps
morale.
I
kind
of
obviously
the
person
getting
the
larger
amount
feels
better,
of
course,
but
in
this
case
we're
doing
a
bonus,
we're
not
doing
what
what
they
all
deserve.
I
know
we
all
would
do
more
if
we
could,
but
I
think
you
know
being
even-handed
across
the
board.
What
did
you
get?
I
got
three
percent.
I
got
three
percent
too
well.
I
got
three
percent.
K
Also,
the
hard
work
is
going
to
be
done
with
that
councilman
appel
made
mention
too
by
putting
on
the
big
boy
pins
and
looking
at
the
millage
increase,
because
the
bonus
obviously
doesn't
repeat
so.
What
we
talked
about
doing
earlier
was
obviously
looking
at
these
pay
scales.
K
You
know
in
its
entirety
to
try
keep
our
people
competitive
and
hopefully
slow.
I
know
that
we
eliminate
the
slow,
the
turnover
rate
and
certainly
instead
of
being
reactive,
to
what
other
municipalities
and
government
bodies
do.
Maybe
they
they
get
to
the
point
where
they're
matching
us,
as
opposed
to
us,
trailing
them,
and
that's
where
the
hard
work's
going
to
come
in
this
budget
on
whatever
millage
effect
on
miller,
just
to
be
able
to
generate
the
revenue
to
do
that.
This
one
time
bonus.
K
I
hope
we
do
the
hard
work
on
and
being
able
to
pay
out.
People
competitively
doesn't
matter
which
department
and
the
22
budget,
but
I
I
just
think
we
should
be
even-handed
and
in
saying
hey,
everybody
got
three
percent
pay
reason.
Instead
of
pulling
out
a
calculator
figuring
out,
you
know
you
know,
I
got
three
point,
one:
nine
percent.
B
Yeah,
I
I
hear
you
can't
remember
wearing,
but
I
honestly
believe
when
people
get
that
paycheck
they're,
not
thinking
about,
did
I
get
2.8
percent
they're,
gonna,
they're,
gonna,
think
about
that
twenty
four
hundred
dollars
or
that
thirteen
hundred
dollars,
if
you're
in
the
lowest
grade,
and
that
when
I,
when
I
saw
the
distribution
and
we
the
two
lowest
grades,
didn't
even
get
to
a
thousand
dollars.
I
I
just
felt
like
that
it
needed
to
be
distributed
a
little
differently
a
little.
B
K
K
But
I'm
just
talking
people
in
similar
departments.
They
go
you're
right,
they're,
not
going
to
compare
percentages.
More
importantly,
they
will
compare
the
dollar
amounts
and-
and
that
way
that's
where
I
think
you
can
get
some-
it's
still
not
doing
the
right
type
type
thing.
But
anyway,
you
know
it's
only
for
125.
C
K
G
Yeah,
thank
you
so
so,
assuming
that
we
are,
I
mean
not,
I
don't
think
you're
calling
for
us
to
vote
right.
You
just
want
to
just
show
us
this
your
this
is
your
recommendation
to
the
ways
and
means
nobody.
B
B
That's
to
vote
on
this,
you
know
we'll
would
like
to
take
it
on
the
ways
and
means
for
approval
next,
tuesday,
you've
probably
been
reading
in
the
paper
north
charleston
has
already
done
a
bonus.
Charleston
county
has
the
city
of
columbia.
Has
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
take
something
on
to
so?
Our
employees
know
that
we
have
something
coming.
D
So
I'm
good
I'll
get
there.
We
had
talked
about
before,
whatever
we
do,
we
would
take
from
the
james
e
lewis,
incubator
site
and
the
navigation
center,
because
we
could,
in
the
second
challenge,
allocate
more
funds
to
those
two
projects
later.
So
that's
kind
of
that's
really
what
I
did
but
I'll
show
you
the
whole
new
reconciliation
of
that
as
we
go
along.
D
D
So
we
do
have
an
application
online
and
we
have
reached
out
to
the
community
assistants
and
accommodations
tax
grant
recipients
we've
had
in
the
past
to
let
them
know
that
we
do
have
this
application
out
and
we
gave
them
a
deadline
of
then
to
september
to
get
those
applications
back
in
we'll
have
an
internal
committee
looking
at
those
and
making
recommendations
like
we
do
normally
for
community
assistance
and
combinations
tax,
although
this
is
just
different
funding
and
the
requirements
are
a
little
bit
different,
so
we
do
have
that,
but
that
process
takes
a
little
bit
of
time,
and
so
we
probably
wouldn't
get
through
that
until
you
know
probably
the
end
of
the
year,
if
not
early
2022,
so
the
funding
wouldn't
clearly
by
the
time
we
get
through
the
process.
D
You
know
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
provide
the
funding
for
for
a
while
after
so
this
would
be
something
immediate
sort
of.
If
there
were
some
critical
need
non-profits
out
there,
we
are
coming
up
with
a
separate
application
because
we
do
need
to
document
and
have
some
kind
of
application
because
of
the
funding.
It's
it's
federal
funds.
Obviously,
so
this
is
just
an
additional
pot
of
funds
for
some
non-profits
really
with
critical.
K
Yes,
I
don't
know
if
this
falls
in
this
category,
but
actually
last
weekend
labor
day
weekend
was
the
actual
the
lowcountry
jazz
festival
did
happen.
I
attended
two
of
the
three
days
and
I
brought
friday
night.
I
brought
words
on
behalf
of
helen
hill,
who
couldn't
be
there
on
behalf
of
cvb
and
and
as
part
of
those
remarks.
I
just
asked
the
rumor
swell
by
the
way
I
just
asked
for
a
show
of
hands
how
many
people
were
from
out
of
town
and
mr
mayor
council,
I
was
shocked.
K
There
was
over
70
percent
of
the
people
in
the
room,
threw
their
hands
up.
They
came
from
out
of
town
to
attend
that
festival,
certainly
putting
it.
As
we
say,
heads
and
beds,
and
saturday
night,
a
lady
came
up
to
dr
bell
and
she
wanted,
knowing
that
she
flew
in
from
las
vegas,
to
come
to
this
festival.
Well,
it
was
the
first
event
held
at
the
girl
yard
that
required
that
you
all
before
you
entered
a
building.
You
had
to
show
your
fascination
card.
K
Your
driver's
license
to
make
sure
that
was,
you
know
you
and
obviously
had
to
wear
a
mask.
So
everybody
in
attendance
had
been
vaccinated
and
had
a
mask,
and
you
know
the
show
the
show
went
on
so
that
by
the
way,
that's
the
policy
of
the
girl
yard
moving
forward.
It's
gonna
be
interesting,
interesting
to
see
how
that
pans
out
now
hope,
continued
praise
and
goes
that
way,
but
they
do
have
the
policy.
K
If
somebody
says
I
don't
want
to
wear
mass
and
I'm
not
vaccinated
to
give
a
refund
back
to
that
to
that
patron
who
bought
a
ticket.
But
you
know
that's
part
of
the
strategy
of
moving
beyond
and
continuing
the
economy,
opening
where
you
can
open
it.
K
So
I
didn't
know
amy
whether
I
can
talk
to
you
on
the
other
side
of
this
one,
but
that's
one
of
the
shows
that
did
not
get
cancelled
and
he
had
friday
saturday,
sunday
nights
events
and,
like
I
say,
over
70
of
the
people
that
attended
came
in
from
out
of
town,
which
was
hallelujah.
D
D
K
D
As
long
as
they've
had
the
as
long
as
they
had
expenses
that
they
could
show
that
in
2020,
because
I
know
we
didn't
have
any
funding
in
2021
as
long
as
they
have
expenses
that
are
relevant
and
they
actually
had
the
event,
then
yes,
we
would
give
them
their
second
half
left
on
remaining
funds.
K
B
That's
great,
that's
great,
along
those
same
lines,
as
you
might
see
today
in
the
press
that
the
city
required
that
the
cooper
of
a
bridge
run
require
their
participants,
have
either
proof
of
vaccination
or
negative
covet
tests,
and
the
same
kind
of
check
will
be
done
when
they
give
out
the
the
bims
for
them
to
to
enter
the
race.
So
I
think
it's
just
part
of
a
new
paradigm
going
forward.
B
You
know
until
9
11,
you
didn't
have
all
those
checks
at
the
airport
right
everybody's
kind
of
gotten
used
to
it
now.
So,
unfortunately,
it
looks
like
the
world
in
the
next
little
while
as
far
as
covet
goes
that
this
will
not
be
out
of
the
ordinary,
and
it
is
not
already.
The
boston
marathon,
for
example,
was
already
advertising.
That's
exactly
what
they
would
do
at
their
upcoming
race
as
well.
C
B
All
right
anything
else
for
the
good
of
the
order,
amy
or.
D
Anyone
I
still
have,
I
have
some
slides
to
go
through
there-
oh
okay,
so
the
and
then
the
other
thing
was
the
pomenoa
artisan
program.
This
will
be
a
three-year
contract.
The
cost
for
2021
is
22
725,
so
we're
requesting
to
use
the
arpa
funds
for
for
just
this
year,
for
just
that,
22
000.
the
remaining
years
will
be
budgeted
in
the
general
fund,
and
that
is
coming
to
council
on
tuesday
for
approval.
B
And
just
to
be
clear
that
the
total
contract
was
was,
I
think,
something
like
90
000,
but
this
was
the
portion
that
that
was
was
not
budgeted
through.
The
general
fund
is
that
right,
amy.
D
Yeah,
so
it's
99
000
per
year-
and
this
will
be
the
portion
to
take
us
through
the
rest
of
this
year,
of
that
99,
000
or
so
so.
This
is
what
our
new
allocation
would
look
like
with
the
addition
of
the
cost
of
the
bonuses
and
then
the
150,
the
22
725,
like
I
said
I
took
it
equally
from
each
one
of
those
projects.
So
that's
what
would
be
remaining.
It
was
one
million
dollars
for
each
of
those
projects
before
and
we
would
have
no
money
left
from
the
first
tranche.
After
that.
D
The
one
thing
that
we
need
to
determine
is
the
the
grant
awards
that
were
have
the
application
process,
for
we
never
really
decided
on
a
number
for
that.
So
I
say
here
you
know:
community
assistance
funding
usually
was
around
four
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Every
year
accommodations
tax
was
around
two
million
dollars
every
year.
We
obviously
would
not
be
able
to
fund
at
that
level,
but
we
wanted
to
consider
how
much
we
want
to
fund.
D
So
we
would
know
in
this
allocation
how
much
we're
going
to
fund
and
then
we'd
have
to
take
that
from
both
of
those
projects,
but
we
could
also
because
our
next
chance
will
come
in
in
next
june
if
we
did
quarterly
payments
to
whatever
agencies
we
awarded
funds
to.
We
could
pay
the
next
two
quarters
the
last
two
quarters
of
the
year,
with
this
with
our
second
trunk
and
just
allocate
the
first
two
quarters
out
of
this
tranche
as
well.
D
B
Go
go
back
to
the
to
that
and
and
that
wasn't
part
of
the
638
0412
you
got
show
in
there.
D
B
C
G
And
you,
and
you
know,
you've
got
that
much
to
give
out.
D
C
Amy,
but
will
we
have
atex
funds
to
give
out
in
the
for
the
2022
year?
I
don't.
D
We
said
we
would
just
be
doing
our
funds,
we
wouldn't
be
doing
commute
assistance
or
a
tax.
That's
what
we
had
talked
about
the
last
meeting,
so
I
hadn't
taken
a
tax
into
a
com
into
consideration,
because
we
weren't
really
sure,
with
the
the
costs
that
we
have
at
the
city
to
cover
debt
payments
and
things
like
that,
the
other
things
that
we
cover
with
atax,
how
much
we
would
have
left
over
for
a
tax
to
to
give
out.
B
G
D
I
don't
really
have
costs
on
either
one
of
those
councilmember
jackson,
that's
a
little
bit
of
the
problem,
but
we
I
mean
we
obviously
can
allocate
more.
I
mean
we
could
do.
Maybe
you
know
five
to
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
out
for
for
these
grants
and
just
say
that
and
and
decide
going
forward.
G
D
We
have
a
little
bit
money
of
money
set
aside
already
for
the
daisy
lewis
center
for
some
of
the
initial
work
going
on
over
there,
but
nothing
for
construction.
G
B
G
D
Well,
whatever
we
decided,
that's
the
amount
that
we
would
give
out
and
we
can
say:
okay,
we
can
do
you
know
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
from
this
transit.
Four
hundred
thousand
dollars
from
the
next
challenge
would
give
us
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars.
But
my
reason
asking
this
question
is
because,
if
we're
going
to
do
a
budget
amendment,
then
I
need
to
kind
of
have
a
number
in
there
to
to
amend
the
budget
with
so.
D
I
don't
know
that
we
don't
have
the
numbers
yet
because
they're
too
they're,
not
even
so,
for
the
navigation
center
we're
not
even
at
a
point
where
we
could
even
it's
just
not
to
that
point,
where
we're
getting
any
kind
of
design
or
anything
else
to
know
what
the
numbers
are
for
either.
One
of
those
sites.
F
D
Actually,
a
placeholder
for
both
of
them
because
we
know
they'll
be
more
than
a
million
dollars,
so
we're
you
know
using
those
funds
to
set
aside
for
those
two
projects,
but
I
don't
know
the
total
cost
of
either
one
of
those
projects.
Yet.
F
D
Well,
I
think,
no
matter
what
we
did
with
the
arpa
funds.
I
don't
know
that
it
would.
We
would
be
able
to
fully
fund
those
projects
with
them.
We
were
just
utilizing
some
of
the
funds,
at
least
to
get
us
started
on
those
projects.
So
I
don't
know
the
timeline
of
either
one
of
those
projects.
G
F
Just
stay
with
me
on
this
train
of
thought
for
a
second
though,
when
when
do
we
think
that
we're
going
to
have
an
idea
of
what
those
two
incubator
site
and
navigation
is
going
to
cost
us
some
fun?
F
B
B
Although
the
incubator
site,
you
know
we're,
not
buying
the
building
or
the
land,
but
we're
just
doing
a
upfit,
and
you
know
it's
not
going
to
be
nearly
as
expensive
as
building
a
new
building
for
the
navigation
center,
but
would
probably
get
it
priced
out
in
the
spring
of
next
year
for
the
for,
for
both
of
those
the
the
second
tranche
will
be
available
to
us
next
may
so
so
the
funding
would
be
available
from
that
thereafter.
B
So
the
construction
of
james
e
lewis
is
should
be
starting
soon.
We
wouldn't
need
to
do
the
upfit
for
at
least
another
year
from
now,
probably
the
navigation
center,
probably
the
beginning
of
the
next
year,.
F
C
D
Okay,
so
I
will
change
that
and
adjust
it
for
when
we
bring
it
to
council.
So
that
brings
me
to
my
next
slide,
which
is,
if
you're,
all
okay.
With
this
new
plan,
then
we
can
prepare
the
budget
amendment
and
take
it
to
council,
not
this
council
meeting
coming
up
tuesday,
but
the
the
last
meeting
in
september,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
we
shouldn't
discuss
it
with
all
council
before
just
to
make
sure
everybody's
kind
of
on
board
and
then
it'll
it'll
pass
and
what
would
be
the
best
way
to
do
that.
B
I'm
fine,
giving
you
know
a
heads
up
to
the
rest
of
the
council
members
at
ways
and
means
this
coming
meeting,
even
though
we
might
not
vote
on
it
until
the
next
one
and
but
if
it
sounds
like
the
committee
here
is
recommending
recommending
this.
So
I
I
don't
know
why
we
couldn't
go
ahead
and
bring
it
to
them.
C
Is
the
amy
is
the
bonus
discussion
on
ways
and
means
on
next
week.
D
C
C
D
A
Well,
that's
that's
up
to
back
to
y'all
right
now.
The
agenda
does
have
just
the
approval
to
use
art
funds
as
it
relates
to
employee
bonuses.
But
we
noted
that,
if
approved
by
city
council,
we
that
there
would
be
ordinances
amending
the
budget
that
would
be
brought
back
in
the
september
28th
meeting.
A
C
A
Correct
I
mean,
I
think,
if
I
I
don't
think
I
mean
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
keeping
if
they
wanted.
If
you
wanted
to
discuss
that
or
bring
that
up
as
part
of
that
discussion,
I
think
it's
okay,
since
we
technically,
you
need
an
ordinance
to
be
passed
for
it
to
be
approved
anyway.
I
think
I
think
it's
more
just
an
approval
to
move
it
forward
when
those
ordinances
are
ready
to
come
to
council.
D
K
Amy,
let
me
let
me
ask
a
question
and
the
second
tranche,
I'm
fast
forwarding.
We
found
a
way
to
give
pay
raises
in
the
22
budget.
You
know
through
usage
of
our
millage.
K
The
the
bonus
that
obviously
we
allocated
this
year
again,
if
we
found
pay,
raises
and
did
a
22
budget,
we
may
not
need
that
33.2,
whatever
million
figure
that
we
utilize
this
year,
I
mean
have
you
kind
of
factored
that
in
I
just
kept
the
bonus
in
there
just
in
case.
K
Next
year,
we're
going
to
get
another
we're
going
to
get
another.
D
K
Okay,
if
we
yeah
the
yeah,
wait
a
minute
no
too
far
back
anyway,
I
thought
it
was
three
point:
two
fake
million
for.
K
D
I'm
hoping
that
we
will
be
able
to
do
something
for
our
employees.
That,
wouldn't
you
know
necessarily.
I
know
that
charleston
county
is
already
planning
to
give
their
employees
a
bonus
with
their
second
tranche.
So
I
guess
it
would
just
depend
on
what
we're
able
to
do
for
our
employees,
how
we,
if
we
would
be
able
to
allocate
more
funding
for
them
in
a
bonus
structure,
but
for
me
for
our
employees,
it's
better.
If
we
can
do
something
pay
wise
for
them.
I.
K
D
Had
to
do
the
whole
pay
structure
so
doing
something
more
permanent
for
our
employees
is
really
where
we
need
to
go
with
that.
But
if
we
needed
to,
then
we
can
obviously
allocate
more
because
it
would
mean
that
we
weren't
able
to
budget
what
we
needed
to
budget
for
our
employees
for
pay
and
we
could
provide
a
bonus
for
them.