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City of Charleston Ad Hoc Rules Advisory Committee 3/09/2023
B
Okay,
we
can
go
ahead
and
get
moving,
then
so
I'd
like
to
call
this
meeting
of
the
ad
hoc
rules
committee
meeting
to
order
here
at
5,
11
p.m,
on
Thursday,
March,
9th
and
like
to
start
with
a
moment
of
silence.
B
All
right
is
there
a
motion
to
defer
the
minutes
from
our
previous
meeting,
so
move.
C
B
All
right
has
been
moved
them
properly
seconded.
Is
there
any
discussion
on
this
item?
If
not
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
aye
aye
any
opposed
all
right,
the
eyes
have
it.
The
minutes
are
deferred
I'd
like
to
move
to
our
outstanding
business
that
we
have,
which
is
the
deferral
from
Council
related
to
the
appointments
process,
so
with
that
I
will
open
it
up
for
some
discussion.
D
D
Accounting
I
thought
that
was
good,
but
anyway
we
have
quite
a
bit
of
discussion
at
Council
on
that
obviously
got
deferred
any
compromises
out
there
of
changes
to
that.
Certainly
I'm
here
to
listen
soon.
B
Did
did
everyone
receive
the
memo
from
the
legal
departments?
Regarding
the
constitutionality
question.
A
A
There
was
a
recommendation
from
councilman
appal
that
perhaps
by
removing
the
line
city
council
should
have
the
responsibility
to
approve
such
recommended
appointments
no
later
than
the
second
meeting
in
January.
That
would
alleviate
his
concern
that
we
are
somehow
binding
counsel
to
a
future
legislative
act
or
decision
by
state
law.
So
we
can
certainly
work
with
that
language
in
some
way
to
remove
that
that
concern.
What.
B
D
I
mean:
don't
we
oh
well,
the
mayor
has
to
put
it
on
a
desk
by
January.
Is
that
what
the
rule
says
now
correct.
C
I
mean
yeah
I'm,
sorry
yeah
one.
You
know
potential
compromise.
If
anybody
feels
really
a
real
strongly
about
that
timing,
could
you
say
city
council
should,
instead
of
shall.
D
C
This
is
a
very
popular
meeting.
Time
sounds
like
I
tell
you
man,
so
what
so?
What
I
was?
What
I
was
suggesting?
It
says
as
written
now
or
the
I
guess
the
proposal-
oh
yeah,
perfect,
so
city
council
shall
have
the
responsibility
to
approve
such
recommended
appointments
no
later
than
the
second
meeting
in
January,
okay
yeah.
It
would
alleviate
any
concern
whatsoever
if
it
said
City,
Council
should,
or
May
is
probably
a
little
a
little
passive.
B
Is
there
a
way,
Julia
to
say
and
councilman
Ware
and
I
had
spoken
about
this
as
well,
perhaps,
instead
of
providing
the
deadline
doing
something
like
you
know,
city
council
may
take
action
after
30
days
of
review
or
something
to
that
effect.
B
F
C
Think
this
sort
of
has
the
same
issue
as
the
language
now
yeah,
to
the
extent
that
there
is
an
issue,
I
guess
right.
D
We
have
to
pass
the
budget
by
date,
certain
I
mean
certainly
has
to
be
done
by
12
31.
how's,
that
language
speed,
councilman
Bowden.
B
C
That's
and
I'm
doing
this,
maybe
to
prevent
receiving
legal
advice
in
public,
but
so
just
you
know
just
one
member
of
the
committee's
opinion.
The
difference
between
that-
and
this
would
be-
that
is
a
responsibility
required
by
the
state
yeah.
A
C
Said
the
state
requires
us
to
pass
a
budget
by
by
that
time,
and
so
we
we
can't
run
a
file
of
state
law.
Considering
we
are
a
creation
of
state
law
that.
C
Completely
unofficial
advice
there
yeah.
A
E
E
If
it
wants
to
do
it
sooner,
it
can
what
I
don't
and
Julia
there's
no
constitutional
issue
with
that.
Is
there.
A
It's
not
necessarily
a
constitutional
issue.
It's
the
question
of
state
law
as
to
whether
or
not
this
is
binding
future
councils
to
a
legislative
act
by
saying
they
had
to
approve
something
by
a
certain
date,
I
mean
we
could
say
they
shall
have
the
responsibility
to
vote
on
such
recommendations
no
later
than
that
would
be
cleaner.
D
B
B
A
B
B
And
then
the
next
section
in
there
right
after
that,
that
starts
with
the
in
case
of
a
vacance
the
that
holds
Force.
If
you
know
Council
votes
not
to
approve
those,
then
that's
addressed
there.
D
D
You
don't
have
60,
you
don't
have
too
much
to
better
part
of
two
months.
I
guess
do
we
he
recommends
in
December.
We
can
convince
with
him
one
another
back
around
again
by
January.
If
a
vacancy
comes
available,
I
mean
you
know,
somebody
leaves
lose
whatever,
unfortunately
dies,
then
that
appointment
can
be
done.
C
D
B
So
I
think
is
there
a
consensus?
Then
we
can
change,
approve
to
vote
and
that
should
take
away
the
obligation
idea.
D
B
Right
it
has
been
moved.
Is
there
a
second?
Second
all
right,
it's
been
moved
improperly
seconded
that
we
change
the
language
on
this
from
approved
to
vote.
Is
there
any
further
discussion
on
that.
F
Raise
a
question
so
if
you
vote
doesn't
mean
you
necessarily
approve,
and
so
you
might
run
beyond
the
time
of
you
know,
to
approve
a
particular
committee
or
chair
so
could.
Could
we
have
a
little
caveat
also
that
you
know
if,
if
some
approval
is
not
reached,
that
the
prior
committee,
members
and
chairman
continue
to
serve
until
I
agree.
D
E
D
F
Do
I
agree
with
that
I
want
to
get
to
a
situation
which
I
think
somebody
mentioned
at
one
of
our
meetings
that
you
know
if
you
ended
up
with
some
kind
of
standoff
and
and
we've
got
to
do
business
we
got
to
have
these
committees
in
place
to
conduct
business,
so
I
I
don't
want
to
be
without
my
committees.
You
know.
A
B
A
D
D
D
A
C
B
Yeah
I
think
that
clears
up
the
any
any
inconsistency
that
may
have
been
with
the
current
way.
It
was
written.
C
All
right,
I'm,
probably
doing
too
much
here,
but
with
those
things
sort
of
jammed
in
I
I,
wonder
if
we
lose
what
council,
member
Waring
is,
is
intending
to
do
here,
which
is
give
the
mayor
the
response,
the
responsibility
of
recommending
appointments
and
city
council,
the
responsibility
of
approving
commitment
or
appointments,
and
so,
if
this
well,
when
this
goes
back
in
front
of
city
council,
you
know
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
what
he's
intending
to
do
is
is
preserved
here,
I
mean
so
it
might
be,
it
might
be
cleanest.
C
To
spell
it
out
at
the
beginning,
you
know,
mayor
recommends.
Council
approves
Council
needs
to
take
the
vote
by
this
state.
If
Beyond
this
date,
Council
doesn't
approve,
then
here's
how
they're
filled
you
know
in.
C
All
all
committees
should
continue
to
operate
as
they
were
previously
appointed,
or
something
like
that.
Does
that
make
sense?
It's
just
it's.
It
feels
like
we're
missing
steps
by
what
what
was
just
proposed
and
it
sort
of
leaves
out.
It
leaves
some
ambiguity
over
who
actually
does
the
approval.
A
D
C
B
I
see
that
Rick
and
the
mayor
both
have
their
hand
up
and
I.
Think
Rick
was
first
I'll.
D
F
But
you
know
every
four
years
the
mayor
is
up
for
election
and
he
he
can
get
replaced,
and
so
we,
our
existing
system,
work
when
when
I
came
in
you
know,
I
got
sworn
in
at
that
first
meeting
and
I
had
my
committee
list
ready,
you
know
for
approval
which,
under
this
scenario,
if
a
new
mayor
gets
elected,
he's
not
even
mayor
yet
and
he's
got
a
because
he
doesn't
get
sworn
in
until
the
first
meeting
in
January
and
and
I
mean
what
we're
writing
up
here.
F
Is
that
mayor
elect?
Would
you
say,
would
the
mayor
or
the
mayor
elect
present
the
recommendations
at
the
first
meeting
in
December
before
he's
even
sworn
in
as
mayor
I'm,
just
saying.
D
That's
a
good
point:
yeah,
it's
a
real
good
point:
I!
Guess
you
put
a
caveat
in
there
until
you
know,
listen
I
got
to
tell
you
what
I
wanted
to
try
to
create
was
more
conversation
between
the
13
people
involved.
That's
what
I
want
to
do.
Okay,
yeah
and
so
I
mean.
How
do
we
do
that
so
I
guess
in
the
case
of
a
new
bear.
D
D
B
Me,
let
me
call
on
Ricks
and
see
okay,
it
hasn't
had
his
turn
to
go
yet.
E
I
mean
why
don't
you
just
say
this:
the
mayor
at
the
first
meeting
in
January
she'll
recommend
appointments
to
the
standing
committees.
City
councils
have
a
responsibility
to
vote
vote
on,
recommend
appointments
no
later
than
the
second
meeting
in
January
between
the
first
and
second
meeting
January
the
previous
committee
to
exist.
You
know
the
the
previous
council's
committee
shall
continue
to
exist.
It
sounds
I,
think
the
mayor
elect
issue
and
it
just
for
that
first
couple
of
weeks,
which
are
really
organizational
meanings
in
many
way
anyway.
B
And
and
I
think
that
also
solves
a
little
bit
of
our
December
meetings
are
pretty
focused
on
the
budget
as
well,
and
we're
not
having
to
kind
of
pull
double
duty
on
sorting
out
committee
appointments,
while
also
trying
to
make
sure
we
go
through
the
budget.
B
C
I've
never
lived
through
one
of
these
transitions.
I
I
think
it
makes
sense
that
the
incoming
mayor
elect
would
reach
out
to
council
members
and
start
having
those
conversations
anyway.
C
So
I
mean
I,
I.
Think
I
think
what
Rick
said.
Probably
I
think
that
probably
works
I
mean
if
the.
If
the
outgoing
mayor
is
just
hell-bent
on
making
recommendations,
I
mean
by
all
means,
but
right,
yeah,
I,
I
gotta
tell
you.
F
My
own
experience
over
the
last
seven
years
has
been
first
meeting
in
December
we're
just
all
consumed
with
the
budget.
I
I
really
personally
didn't
have
the
time
or
take
the
time
to
even
think
about
committee.
Appointments
till
after
Christmas
and
I
got
a
little
bit
of
down
time
to
think
and
I
don't
have
my
days
off
full
of
meetings
so
anyway,
that's
that's
just
my
own
personal
experience
with
it.
D
I
agree
with
the
mail
for
a
good
great
point:
I
agree
with
Rick
said
and
I
go
get
it
done
in
January.
If
it's
in
the
event
of
a
new
mayor,
you
know
we
used
to
do
it
in
January
anyway.
I
was
just
trying
to
create
more
time
for
discussion.
You
know
you
still
can
have
that
time
for
this
guy.
Thank
you.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
written
in
the
audience
Etc.
E
Right
and
I
think
you
want
to
say
and
that
the
Committees
from
the
prior
Council
will
continue
to
meet
regularly
until
the
new
recommendations.
D
B
Yep
because
I'm
thinking
the
same
thing
where
you
know
we
see
like
if
there's
changes
in
the
council's
composition
as
well,
you
know
the
mayor
can
appoint
that
vacancy
I
mean
that's
spelled
out
there
and
then,
if
there's
changes
to
other
compositions
of
the
Committees,
you
know
that
comes
through
the
you
know,
putting
the
Slate
out
there
and
then
it's
two
weeks
in
between
for
that
to
get
sorted,
see
your
hand
up.
F
Okay,
so
I'd
put
the
word
two
responsibility
to
vote:
sorry,
fourth
line
and
then
y'all
you
got
them
on
that
highlighted
portion.
The
Committees
from
the
previous
Council
will
continue
to
meet
right
until
the
new
recommendations
are
approved,
I
hate
to
get
technical,
but
you
could.
You
could
have
a
council
member
who
who
didn't
run
for
reelection
or
didn't
get
reelected
so
so
you,
you
gotta,
put
some
kind
of
word
to
cover
cover
that
scenario.
I.
D
Yeah
Mr
chairman,
actually
that's
gonna
happen
because
you
know
come
January.
We're
gonna
have
a
new
person
from
John's
Island
right.
A
D
B
All
right
so
may
I
have
a
motion
to
recommend
that
we
send
this
language
to
counsel
at
the
next
meeting.
B
B
D
Input
on
this
I
really
do
sincerely
I
want
to
thank
my
councilman
Bowden
and
councilman
Jim
and
Brady
and
Richard
I
mean
we
all
pushing
in
the
right
direction.
On
this
one
I
I
know
it
was
uncomfortable
at
least
to
even
have
this
discussion
but
prayerfully
on
the
other
side,
we'll
all
feel
more
involved
going
forward,
so
I
I
really
sincerely
want
to
and
I
want
that
to
be
in
the
minister.
D
Thank
you,
Mr
Bean,
for
your
extra
consideration
and
you
Jim
and
Brady
for
your
own
leadership
and
Miss
Copeland
Copeland
for
her
expertise
in
keeping
us
out
of
constitutionality.
B
D
One
other
person,
I
need
to
think
remember.
We
spoke
to
Jennifer
in
the
previous
meeting
and
Jennifer
told
us
about
some
of
the
Committees,
and
maybe
one
of
them
I
think
had
seven
people
on
so
the
tweaking
and
there's
the
languages
that
she
actually
have
offered
in
this
too.
So
thank
you,
Ms
cook,
for
your
input
as
well.
A
F
B
Hope
so
yeah
I
it
was
my
understanding
when
we
deferred
that
we
were
going
to
just.
We
were
resolving
this
question,
but
the
no
one
else
had
really
spoken
about
any
of
the
other
okay.