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City of Charleston Army Corps 3x3 Advisory Committee 6/2/21
A
But
you
know
something
that
I
think
that
I
I
think
I
mean
something.
I've
heard
multiple
times
from
this
committee
and
members
of
the
members
of
the
committee
is
with
regards
to
a
water
management
plan,
and
we
also
heard
it
from
from
wagner
and
paul
as
well
and
so
something
that
I'd
like
to
like
to
discuss
today
before
we
we
jump
into
the
content
of
a
meeting.
A
A
Given
that
that's
the
phase,
where
we're
going
to
get
a
lot
of
data
about
the
city,
I
think
important
data,
geotechnical
information,
topographical
information.
Basically
all
you
know
information,
the
city's
existing
stormwater
system-
and
so
you
know.
Rationale
of
course,
is-
is
that
you
know
questions
come
up
hey.
How
does
this
perimeter
wall?
Everybody
agrees.
It's
an
important
thing.
It's
been
in,
you
know
every
recommendation,
but
how
does
it
interface
and
interact
with
the
city's
overall
water
management
system?
B
Hey
good
I'll,
just
jump
in
and
say
I
I
think
that's
a
smart
idea.
I
think
this
initiative
tells
an
incomplete
story
without
that
broader
context,
I
think
it
will
be
easier
for
the
public
to
understand
the
communications
that
come
from
this
initiative.
If
it's,
if
it's
told
in
concert
with
with
a
comprehensive
plan.
B
B
Chiming
in
with
the
conservation
and
historic
preservation,
interests
have
already
spoken
that
we
would
also
be
very
supportive,
obviously
devils
in
the
details,
I'd
love
to
hear
more
about
how
that
would
actually
work
and
be
created
and
and
implemented.
But
that's
a
that's
a
a
second
tier
discussion.
I
think.
C
Yeah
so
report,
mr
chairman,
I
think
it's
a
great
recommendation.
I
guess
I
echo
what
laura's
saying
I'm
assuming
we're
going
to
make
a
formal
recommendation
written
to
the
mayor,
and
maybe
we
can
get
mark
to
weigh
in
with
respect
to
having
them
commence
or
get
working
on
a
water
management
plan.
I'm
assuming
that
there's
been
some
skeletal
form
of
doing
this
at
the
city
level.
C
So
what's
the
protocol,
mr
chairman,
as
to
how
we're
going
to
put
this
in
writing
and
put
this
recommendation
in
front
of
the
mayor
and
to
city
council,
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that,
and
maybe
we
provide
a
little
bit
of
detail
right,
I
mean
I
know.
I
think
susan
was
one
of
the
first
individuals
that
chimed
in
about
the
water
management
plan.
A
A
Like
the
second
question
I
heard
is
you
know
a
it's
really
in
my
mind,
a
question
about
time
frame,
and
so
you
know
we
have
a
few
time
frames
that
are
operating
right
now
and
I
thought,
within
the
summary,
the
the
slides
that
wagner
and
ball
put
forward.
It
summarizes
that
those
time
frames
very
well.
In
my
opinion,
you
know.
One
one
item
is
you
know
on
that
time
frame
believe
it
was
june.
A
2023
would
be
the
kickoff
of
preliminary
engineering
and
design
where
this
this
project
to
go
forward,
and
that
was
the
date
by
which
the
water
management
plan
would
be.
We
called
to
be
done,
was
wagner
and
ball's
recommendation,
and
so
you
know
with
that
in
mind,
I
think
there's
a
few
things
that
it's
a
great
actually
segway
and
not
that
we
necessarily
need
a
segway.
B
I
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
the
recommendation
for
a
water
plan
was
not
only
stressed
by
the
army
corps
by
waggoner
and
bull,
but
it's
also
included
in
the
resiliency
section
of
the
new
comprehensive
plan
or
city
plan
rewrite
as
a
recommendation
to
the
city.
So
it's
part
of
what
everybody
is
thinking
about,
and
I
have
the
feeling
that
most
of
us
look
at
this
as
step
one
before
we
get
into
something
deeper.
B
A
Absolutely,
and
so
I
think
you
know
from
from
my
perspective,
question
is
you
know
what
is
something
deeper
right?
What
is
what
is
that
before
we
get
into
something
deeper?
What
does
that
look
like?
I
think
today
will
help.
I
think,
flesh
that
out
a
lot
and
what
does
that
mean
cash?
I
see
your
hands
up.
B
Yes,
and
my
understanding
is
that
we
are
sort
of
partially
there
and
already
having
a
number
of
the
elements
of
the
water
planned.
We
already
have
a
vulnerability
analysis.
We
have
the
dutch
dialogues
report.
We
have
the
three
by
three
partially
completed.
We
have
the
land
and
water
analysis
from
the
comprehensive
plan
city
plan
and
we
have
our
sea
level
rise
strategy
that
there
are
some
other
elements
of
the
water
plan
that
we
would
need:
ecosystem
analysis,
h,
modeling,
economic
and
bca
analysis
and
some
other
elements.
B
So
we're
already
partially
there
mark
time
in
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
Definitely
I'm
probably
missing
some
pieces,
but
I
think
we've
got
a
lot
of
the
components
already
they're,
just
some
pieces
and
parts
that
we
need
to
sort
of
complete,
complete
the
water
plan.
So
so
we,
you
know,
we've
done
a
lot
of
the
work.
D
Yeah
so
I'll
just
jump
in
on
cash's
point.
I
think
danny
raised
it
earlier.
So
two
things
we
do
have
a
lot
of
work,
and
not
only
do
we
have
a
lot
of
work
that
we've
that
you
all
you
mentioned
cash.
Our
stormwater
department
has
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
on
the
peninsula
as
of
late
with
aecom
looking
in
areas
of
the
city
that
that
really
haven't
been
looked
at
in
quite
some
time.
D
So
I
agree
with
the
cash
and
I
think
it's
there
and
then
just
one
other
thing
back
to
a
point
that
dan
you
made
earlier,
and
we
have
two
council
members
on
the
call
right
now,
both
council,
member
wearing
and
council
members
seeking.
So
how
would
we
get
to
this
committee
where
to
recommend-
and
it
sounds
like
they're
moving
in
that
direction-
a
water
management
plan
that
would
have
to
go
before
the
budget
committee
of
city
council?
D
That's
just
getting
ready
to
kick
off
here
in
the
next
month
or
so
work
its
way
through
come
to
full
council
for
a
vote
and
before
january.
So
that's
the
way
the
process
would
work.
We'd
have
to
design
it
out
and
put
it
put
a
dollar
amount
in
the
budget
and
then
once
it
was
approved,
you
would
go
ahead
and
go
out
for
a
request
for
a
proposal
see
who
answered
that
request
for
a
proposal
and
there
would
be
a
selection
committee
assigned
so
there's
no
foregone
conclusions
on
who
would
do
it?
D
E
Well,
I
mean
you
know,
this
is
something
I
agree
with.
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
comprehensive
plan
across
the
city
for
a
number
of
things,
including
water
management.
One
of
the
things
I
think-
and
we've
got
the
army
corps
of
engineers
that
can
comment
on
this
one.
It's
their
turn
and
mark
will
certainly
comment
on
it,
but
before
we
do
any
kind
of
comprehensive
water
management
plan,
we
need
to
know
what
we've
got.
I
mean
I
think
we
have
to
probably
go.
E
A
Thank
you,
councilmember,
seekings
and,
and
just
one
quick,
add-on
and
and
bob,
and
I
had
her
hands
up
so
forty
you
right
express
this
one.
One
thought
is
that
I
I
think
we
can
ask
today
of
the
corps
how
much
of
that
information
analysis
and
surveying
and
engineering
and
design
work
would
would
come
along
with
the
preliminary
engineering
and
design
phase.
E
Yeah,
thank
you,
hey
good,
to
build
on
cassian's
comments
about
and
mark
about
how
much
ra
exists.
I
spent
some
time
going
through
the
1984
drainage
plan
and
boy.
That's
a
hell
of
a
document
it
just
is.
It
provides
so
much
information
if,
if
that
was
merely
updated,
I
think
it
would
move
us
in
the
direction
pretty
significantly
to
mark's
point
about.
You
know
what
the
standard
process
would
be
to
provision
such
a
study.
I'd
suggest
to
the
committee
that
this
should
take
on
the
urgency
of
a
priority.
E
A
B
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
chime
in
here
and
and
agree
with
the
group.
I
think
this
is
a
good
idea
and
I'm
glad
we've
got
the
core
here
today
to
answer
some
questions,
because
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
understand
you
know
what
the
process
is
and
how
it
impacts
what
we've
already
accomplished,
and
then
what
that
looks
like
going
forward
so
just
want
to
echo.
You
know
what
the
group
is
saying
here
in
agreement
that
this
is
a
good,
a
good
recommendation
to
make.
A
B
F
Good
comments,
I
mean
cash
in
points.
Obviously
just
a
little
point:
we've
got
members
on
council
that
wasn't
even
born
before
the
1984
study,
okay,
and
that
was
pointed
out
to
me
recently
councilman
seeking
that
that's.
I
think
that
study
is
37
years
old.
Bob
you're
right
got
an
immense
amount
of
information.
We
still
refer
back
to
it.
The
problem
with
the
city
has
been.
F
We
didn't
have
the
money
to
do
those
things
and
that's
the
I've
got
issues
in
my
in
the
district
that
I'm
pleased
to
represent,
and
I'm
sure
councilman
seeking
does
as
well.
I
think
all
12
of
them,
maybe
with
the
exception
of
well
known
as
dale
chopper-
represents
ansenburg.
So
I
know
every
all,
12
council
people
have
aspects
in
that
study
that
will
bring
range
improvement.
We
just
didn't
have
the
money
to
do
it,
so
we
got
a
lot
of
good
ideas
sitting
on
the
shelf.
F
F
I
I
agree
with
you
in
that,
but
I
mean
that's
a
priority
of
choices
that
played
itself
out
over
the
last
37
years.
We've
done,
you
know,
looking
back
the
hindsight
being
2020,
we
did
a
lot
of
pretty
vertical
projects
going
up
in
the
sky.
You
know
a
lot
of
ballparks
and
things
like
that
and
sea
level
rise.
Wasn't
the
urgency
that
it
is
today.
So
I
mean
to
those
who
voted
and
supported
those
things.
You
know
right
now
we
can
point
the
finger.
F
I
don't
think
we
are,
but
some
people
can
point
the
finger
but
sea
level
rise
kind
of.
Like
I
mean
you
still
got
people
that
don't
believe
in
sea
level.
Right
can
you
believe
we're
still
having
that
to
be,
but
so
that
that
system
of
priority
believe
it
or
not?
It's
just
not
in
the
past
we're
still
having
that
today,
I
I
chair
the
public
works
committee
and
we
have
funding
in
the
cooper
help.
F
F
Thank
you,
cooper,
jackson,
tiffany,
it's
a
15
to
20
million
dollar
fix
and
today,
as
we
speak,
we're
talking
about
taking
funding
from
that
to
do
the
low
line.
Now
I
support
the
low
line.
All
of
us
support
the
loan.
I
think
there's
other
funding
we
can.
If
we
had
a
bigger
picture
we
can
go
for,
but
some
of
the
same
solutions
and
priority
that
you're
alluding
to
bob.
I
can't
tell
you
how
right
you
are:
do
we
do
a
pretty
linear
park
with
it
or
do
we?
F
We
fix
a
water
problem?
We
don't
have
the
money
to
do
both
out
of
that
one
tif.
So
there
was
a
situation
earlier
a
couple
of
years
ago,
where
we
we
had
156
million
dollar
project.
With
the
spring
fishburn
crosstown,
we
had
a
45
million
dollar
change
on
it.
That's
a
heck
of
a
change.
Okay,
we
were
debating
about
ourselves.
I
mean
it
was
a
tug
of
war
among
ourselves.
F
Do
we
apply
for
grant
funding
for
the
low
battery,
or
do
we
apply
for
45
million
50
50
grant
between
the
finished
spring
fish
burn
and
I'm
telling
you
it
was
a.
It
was
an
ugly
you,
you
would
think
if
we
had
these
people
to
work
with
it
would
happen
in
a
snap.
Springfish
print
would
have
worked
out.
Fortunately,
the
people
in
colombia
realized
that
spring
fishburn
was
a
major
highway.
Depart
highway
coming
through
the
town
and
mari
boulevard
was
not
so
they
granted.
F
The
money
was
spring
fish,
but
unfortunately
they
had
already
been
to
charleston,
but
again
the
reason
we
had
our
match.
We
have
a
king
street
tiff
that
some
wanted
to
do
another
marion
square.
Take
the
money,
buy
the
u-haul
make
a
marion
square
type
park
on
that
in
a
town
had
we
done
that
we
would
not
have
the
50
match
22.5
million
to
match
the
grant
that
came
out
of
colombia.
F
Frankly,
some
of
the
prettier
projects.
That's
it's
easy
to
cut
the
ribbon
on
a
pretty
project,
that's
vertical
when
you're
working
under
the
ground
and
spending
millions
and
tens
of
millions.
In
some
cases,
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars-
it's
like
you,
don't
you're
doing
nothing,
but
you're
really
doing
a
lot
to
preserve
the
history
and
the
future
of
this
city
going
forward
so
that
piece
about
funding.
We
all
need
to
push
in
the
same
direction.
On
that.
F
A
That's
well
played
councilman
waring,
thank
you
and-
and
I
noticed
you
know
dennis
know
you
had
your
hand
up
a
little
while
ago.
If
you
could
play
and
then
susan,
I
see
you
have
your
hand
up
as
well.
If
you
wouldn't
mind
if
we
could,
unless
it's
a
pressing
discussion
before
the
corps,
if
we
could
given
time
frames
there
kind
of
discuss
it
after
after
the
core
gives
their
presentation,
I
would
greatly
appreciate
it
just
from
a
process
standpoint.
B
Just
for
a
minute,
I
wanted
to
say
what
the
councilman
was.
Just
speaking
about
was
funding.
If
you
can
see
this,
but
we,
the
medical
district,
did
a
and
completed
a
resilient
water
management
strategy.
We'd
be
glad
to
share
that
with
the
group.
Perhaps
there
might
be
something
there
that
would
save
or
be
helpful,
but
we
came
to
the
we
had
conclusions
of
things
that
needed
to
be
done
within
the
medical
district,
the
city,
roper,
musc
and
the
va,
and
it
really
came
down
to
trying
to
find
money.
D
D
I
believe
nancy,
the
chief
of
planning
over
in
the
the
district
over
in
charleston
and
nancy,
has
really
been
sinking
her
teeth
into
the
project
and
then
vimity
var
who's,
our
friend
our
economist
friend,
from
alabama,
who
has
really
spent
an
incredible
amount
of
time
and
effort
on
the
economics
of
this
project
and
has
just
really
committed
himself
and
his
whole
team
to
looking
at
the
economic
side
of
this.
So
we've
got
three
distinguished
members
here
today
from
the
core.
D
I
asked
them
to
run
through
a
series
of
things
and
really
I
took
those
from
what
I've
been
hearing
from
the
committee,
so
you're
not
going
to
get
a
rehash
of
the
project.
What
you're
going
to
get
is
some
of
the
things
I
heard
from
this
committee
that
you're
looking
for
and
at
the
end
of
it,
if
you'd
like
more,
then
we
can
just
ask
for
questions.
G
G
G
G
We
did
get
a
significant
number
of
comments
and
that
we
are
incorporating
and
into
our
report
right
now.
Our
team
is
updating
costs
based
on
the
optimization
alignment,
we're
updating
costs
for
visual
mitigation,
cultural
mitigation,
environmental
mitigation
and,
in
addition
to
that,
we're
doing
a
gross
appraisal
for
the
real
estate
and
updating
construction
costs.
G
So
we
take
all
of
these
costs
and
we
combine
them
into
a
total
project.
Cost
summary,
and
at
the
end
of
june
we
hold
an
internal
cost
schedule
risk
analysis.
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
core
terms
here,
but
they're
all
very
important,
and
what
this
call
schedule
risk
analysis
does
is
it
defines
our
project
contingency
and
the
project
contingency
is
based
on
assumptions
we
made
in
our
cost
estimate.
G
G
In
addition,
in
july
concurrently,
the
city
of
charleston
has
a
section
in
our
main
report.
That
section
of
the
main
report
is
for
non-federal
sponsor
views.
This
is
standard
in
all
of
our
feasibility
report,
so
the
city
can
provide
us
with
a
written
statement
that
we
will
plug
into
the
main
report.
G
In
the
month
of
august,
we
will
release
a
pre-read
ahead
copy
of
our
draft
report
to
the
city
of
charleston
and
and
our
and
our
agencies
that
are
that
are
cooperating
in
our
eis
and
while
they,
while
they
get
a
chance
to
get
a
pre-read
ahead
view
of
the
draft
report,
that's
going
to
be
eventually
released
to
the
public,
we're
also
via
concurrent
internal.
We
call
it
a
district
quality
control.
Review
of
that
report
make
sure
we
got
all
the
eyes
cross.
G
B
G
The
city
we're
looking
for
a
commitment
from
the
city
at
the
end
of
the
calendar
year:
okay,
that's
not
on
your
time
franklin
here,
okay,
great
thanks,
yes,
sir,
and
then
in
march
2022
we
submit
our
final
report
to
our
atlanta
division
office
in
the
spring
of
2022.
We
have
a
state
and
agency
final
review
of
the
report
and
that's
a
30-day
review.
There
will
be
no
formal
comments.
Taken
that'll,
be
a
final
review
to
ensure
that
comments
and
questions
were
incorporated
into
the
report.
G
G
G
H
All
right,
thank
you.
So
wes
we
have
some
technical
difficulties
here.
I
can't
see
your
screen
bit
I'll
talk
to
the
slides
anyways.
I
have
it
up
on
my
screen.
So
if
you're
on
the
comparison
and
benefit
slide
there
yep
all
right,
so
I
don't
know
what
the
committee
wants.
You
know
me
to
talk
about,
so
I'm
just
going
to
present
at
the
high
level
in
regards
to
our
economic
analysis:
full
disclosure.
You
know
I
mark
and
attest
to
this.
H
But,
however,
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
some
points
in
regards
to
how
the
benefits
were
derived,
what
it
consists
of
from
the
high
level
and
method
that
we
took
so
I'm
going
to
start,
I
guess
backwards
and
then
go
forward
so
to
say
a
bottom
line
up
front.
What
you
see
here
on
the
table
is
basically
a
summary
of
our
cost-benefit
analysis.
H
H
I
want
to
make
note
that
these
numbers
will
change
as
wes
mentioned
earlier.
We're
updating
our
draft
report
and
planning
is
a
iterative
process.
What
you
see
here
will
change
but
the
method
and
how
the
benefits
were
derived
the
concepts
behind
it
are
the
same.
But,
however,
these
numbers
will
change,
but
I
thought
I'd
just
present
this,
so
you
have
a
point
of
reference
into
into
how
do
how
we
came
up
what
we
came
up
with
so
I'll
I'll
go
into
a
little
bit
more
details
with
these
numbers.
H
So
it's
positive
at
2.2,
meaning
that
we're
estimating
that
for
every
dollar
a
project
costs
we
get
two
and
2.2
dollars
back
and
in
regards
to
benefits.
So
the
question
becomes
now
is
what
exactly
is
this
benefit?
So,
as
you
can
see
on
these
bulleted
points
here
to
your
right,
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
the
method
that
we
can,
that
we
use
so
what
we
would,
what
we
adhere
to
from
planning
to
conduct.
Our
planning
study
is
what
we
call
our
engineering
regulation.
H
105-2-1,
basically,
is
our
planning
guidance,
notebook
and
within
our
planning
guides
and
notebook,
there's
our
principles
and
guidelines.
How
we,
you
know,
conduct
our
analysis.
I
wanted
to
highlight
that
we
establish
evaluation
of
alternative
on
four
accounts:
ned,
eq,
red
and
osc.
Let
me
tell
you
what
these
acronyms
stands
for.
Ned
is
the
national
economic
development
eq's
environmental
quality
red
is
regional,
economic
development
and
osc
is
utter
social
effects.
H
So,
within
these
four
accounts
we
I
mean
those
basically
establish
the
benefits.
However,
per
our
guidance
we
are
to
from
a
federal
interest
standpoint.
We
are
required
to
identify
the
ned
plan,
the
alternative
which
maximizes
net
benefits
and
then
what
what?
What
is
exactly
is
you
know,
ned
so
to
say
so.
H
Well
what
what
it
means
is
it's
in
terms
it's
impressed
expressed
in
the
monetary
units,
are
dollar
value
and
are
the
wreck
net
benefits
that
accrue
not
only
to
the
study
area
or
planning
area
but
to
the
rest
of
the
nation.
So
it's
a
value
to
not
only
the
local
area
that
we're
we're
implementing
the
project
to,
but
also
a
value
to
the
nation.
H
H
H
H
H
H
Now
it
is
a
probabilistic
life
cycle,
cost
analysis
model
that
is
also
event
driven
using
monte
carlo
stimulation.
So
there's
a
lot
of
word
there,
but
in
short,
we
now
understand
that
you
know
we
don't
want
to
be.
We
use
a
model,
that's
deterministic!
We
we
recognize
that
there's
risk
and
uncertainty,
given
our
assumption
that
goes
into
the
model.
I'll
explain
that
a
little
bit
later.
So
therefore,
we
want
to
use
a
model
that
understands
and
let
us
use
incorporating
these
recent
uncertainties.
H
H
H
So
what
we
take,
what
what
happened
was
that
they
again
assume
you
know,
storms,
events
so
to
say
we
have
25
synthetic
storms
that
we
produce
for
for
the
draft
report
and
you
can
kind
of
see
the
these
storms
here,
and
so
we
simulate
that
across
a
50-year
period
of
analysis
at
100.
Iterations
again,
you
know
we.
We
understand
that
there's
risk
and
uncertainty,
so
you
know
run
it
enough
times.
H
You
know
we
have
a
convergence
in
regards
to
results.
Okay,
so
we
do
this
for
what
we
say
for
the
future.
Without
we
establish
the
flood
damages
for
future,
without
meaning
that
there's
no
project
in
place,
and
then
we
simulate
that
same
scenario,
with
all
the
assumption
that
we
have
in
the
future
without,
but
not
with
the
future
whip,
but
just
introducing
the
alternative,
and
then
you
know
stimulating
that
flood
damage
again,
and
then
we
basically
get
the
difference.
H
This
difference
is
the
reduction
of
blood
damages,
so
that,
in
a
nutshell,
is
basically
your
benefits
and
your
benefits
is
this
reduction
in
inflamed
damages,
as
I
mentioned
before,
there's
lots
of
assumption
that
takes
into
place
and
the
model
incorporates
just
assumptions,
including
risk
and
uncertainty.
So
I
listed
some
examples
there.
For
example,
in
you
know
we
we
know
we
take
in
account
c
changes.
We
take
an
encounter
period
analysis.
H
So
this
next
slide
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
going
on,
but
this
is
basically
some
of
the
assumption
that
goes
into
the
modeling.
You
know
it's
it's.
The
model
is
highly
intensive
in
regards
to
the
data,
that's
needed
to
run
it
and
the
input
that
goes
into
it.
So
therefore,
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
the
city
of
the
peninsula
and
itself.
H
You
know
gathering
these
datas
to
go
into
the
the
economic
model,
so
I
presented
some
of
here
and
on
this
slide,
so
the
what
I
mean
by
damage
flood
damage
reduction
benefits
that
question
becomes
damages
to
what
exactly
so.
The
assumption
here
is
assets,
so
I
took
an
inventory
of
the
peninsula
in
itself.
H
Take
into
account,
you
know
the
structures
and
the
content
values
of
the
what
I
see
on
the
peninsula
so
that
that's
basically
the
asset
that
goes
into
the
model,
so
that's
structure
and
content
value.
Okay,
I
got
these
assets
from
our
the
county
tax
assessor
database,
which
we
worked
with
mark
and
his
team
there
also
to
get
this
information,
but
also
in
these
assets.
There's
certain
assumption
that
goes
into
it,
because
the
value
in
the
content
is
basically
a
derivative
of
what
exactly
consists
of
the
structure,
I.e
occupancy
type.
H
So,
as
you
can
see
here
on
the
far
left
there
most
of
the
peninsula
in
itself
are
75
or
residential
structures,
different
kind
of
residential
structures,
but
residential
structures.
Nonetheless,
okay,
and
so
if
you
look
at
your
far
left
here
again,
another
assumption
takes
into
account
the
first
floor.
The
reason
why
the
first
floor
is
so
important
is
because,
if
water
doesn't
get
into
the
structure,
destruction
doesn't
necessarily
get
damages
to
the
content
or
the
structure
in
itself.
H
You
could
have
water
surface
elevation
on
the
ground,
so
we
we
we
take
into
account
that
you
know.
Usually
we
do
have
damage
function
that
takes
into
account.
Damage
is
below
the
first
floor,
but
mostly
we
want
to
make
note
of
what
gets
into
the
first
floor
so,
for
example,
to
buy
down
that
kind
of
a
uncertainty
and
assumption.
H
I
spent
the
weekend,
the
beautiful
city
of
charleston
driving
around
observing
the
structures
there,
as
well
as
using
gis
layers,
to
identify
the
ground
elevation
and
to
observe
what
the
first
floor
of
structures
are
again.
Keep
in
mind
that,
as
I
mentioned,
where
we
know
that
there's
risk
and
uncertainty
in
regards
to
every
input
parameters,
and
so
what
I
mean
by
I
take
an
inventory
of
the
structure,
I'm
doing
it
more
from
a
feasibility
level.
It's
not
a
structure
by
structured
analysis,
but
more.
You
know
as
a
whole
to
see
hey.
H
A
H
I'm
sorry,
okay,
thank
you.
So
the
model
area
is
more
from
a
modeling
standpoint,
but
I
know
we
use
that
in
our
feasibility
report
in
itself,
so
I
took
a
account
of
the
structures
there
and
then
assessed
the
structure,
value
and
contact
value.
And
what
you
see
there
is
the
total
sum
of
of
what
what
what
the
asset
value
is
that
I've
used
as
my
input
into
the
model.
H
Now
again,
these
numbers
will
change.
Please
keep
in
mind,
but
if
you're
curious
to
see
how
I
derive
that
number
and
what
I'm
using
it
could
be
a
little
bit
low
and
or
high
in
some
people's
mind.
But
please
take
an
account
here
where
I'm
using.
If
you
look
at
the
arrow,
these
are
what
we
call
depreciate
replacement
cost
estimate
I'm
going
a
little
bit
in
in
the
technical
weeds
of
it.
H
But
I
think
it's
a
point
to
to
to
make
here
because
you
know
the
city
of
charleston
is
a
beautiful
place
and
I
know
you
know
the
market
value
is
high
in
in
that
aspect,
but
we
don't
take
that
to
an
account.
We
take
what
we
call
a
depreciated
placement
cost.
Basically,
it
is
the
cost
to
you
know,
construct
it.
H
You
know
aspect,
and
so
you
know,
taking
into
account
the
historical
context
of
you,
know,
charleston
and
everything
like
that.
You
know
it's.
Probably
if
you're
just
taking
account
the
location
itself,
the
structure
there
is
probably
a
higher
value.
I
know
that
compared
to
where
I
live
in
milwaukee
alabama,
that
you
know
my
little,
I
could
not
afford
living
on
the
peninsula
per
se,
but
but
nonetheless,
it's
it's.
H
Okay,
so
once
we
get
the
value
of
the
assets,
we
apply,
the
depth
damage
function,
these
that
damage
functions
are
used
to
say,
hey.
If
you
get
this
much
of
of
structure
wet
this,
the
percentage
damage
you
get,
this
x
amount
of
damages,
you
know,
based
on
a
percentage
and
again
we're
applying
risk
and
uncertainty.
H
H
A
If
you
can't,
then-
or
you
know,
technical
issues
whatever
it
may
be,
then
just
you
know
raise
your
hand
at
the
end
and
I'll
just
go
in
the
in
the
order
that
I
I
see
raised
hands
but,
to
the
extent
you
can,
I
think
the
chat
chat
function
helps
helps
kind
of
keep
a
process,
but
let's
try
to
jump
in
there
just
want
to
make
that
point.
Thank
you
all
right
appreciate.
G
I
All
right,
thanks
wes,
I
hope
you
all
can
hear
me.
I
just
want
to
run
through
sort
of
quickly
about
the
national
environmental
policy
act
and
why
we
are
doing
an
eis.
We
originally
started
this
study
doing
an
environmental
assessment
and
which
is
the
ea
on
the
slide,
and
we
did
take
a
pivot
this
year
decided
to
do
the
environmental
impact
statement,
which
is
a
more
in-depth
analysis
under
the
nepa
process.
I
Nipah
requires
the
federal
government
to
just
identify
potential
impacts
of
an
undertaking
on
the
natural
and
human
environment,
and
then
you
know
we
work
towards
mitigating
those
impacts
when
we
believe
that
well,
when
nipah
starts,
you
start
with
environmental
assessment.
Until
you
get
to
a
point
where
you're
finding
that
there
are
impacts
that
are
considered
significant
or
they're
beyond
our
ability
to
mitigate
for
them,
then
we
need
to
pivot
to
the
eis.
I
We
pulled
a
lot
of
the
wall
onto
high
ground
and
that
that
meant
we
were
not
having
that
environmental
impact
and
which
is
a
which
is
great
for
us,
we're
working
with
our
resource
agencies
on
how
to
mitigate
a
few
areas
where,
where
it's
not
feasible,
to
bring
the
wall
onto
land
and
so
that
we
still
have
an
impact
to
the
to
the
marsh.
I'm
gonna
talk
about
cultural
resources.
I
That's
our
section
106
process,
that's
the
next
slide
and
then
for
the
aesthetic
and
visual
resource
impacts,
we're
doing
a
fairly
in-depth
study,
a
visual
impact
assessment
so
that
there's
a
a
team
headed
by
the
core
but
includes
members
from
from
the
city,
and
I
think,
a
couple
other
stakeholders
to
assess
what
those
impacts
really
are
and
then
talk
about
how
it
is
we
may
mitigate
for
those
impacts.
So
for
the
visual
impact
assessment.
I
I
We
are
not
identifying
the
mitigation
yet
because
a
lot
of
that
mitigation
will
come
in
the
form
of
design
and
the
design
happens
during
the
pre-engineering
and
design
phase
right.
We
call
ped.
You
hear
us
saying
that
all
the
time
ped,
and
so
some
of
those
mitigation
measures
will
be
worked
out
in
ped,
but
we
our
process
just
because
one
phase
ends
the
next
phase
starts.
It's
they're
not
necessarily
completely
separated
like
a
lot
of
the
team
members.
I
I
And
I
think
I
think,
the
bottom
red
text
there
is
kind
of
the
takeaway
for
this
change
to
an
eis.
It
allows
for
more
detailed
and
robust
analysis.
It
will
allow
for
more
detailed
mitigation
planning
and
an
eis
allows
for
more
opportunities
for
public
input
during
feasibility
and
then
again
we
have
public
input
during
pen
as
well.
So
as
wes
I
think
mentioned
at
the
very
beginning,
we
had
a
public
scoping
process,
we
had
a
public
scoping
meeting
and
we
were
open
for
comments.
I
I
This
is
just
a
general
timeline.
This
is
like
what
I've
been
just
speaking
of
we're
kind
of
where
the
star
is
there's
not
a
good
spot
for
it,
but
we
finished
our
initial
scoping
in
the
spring.
With
our
scoping
comment
period,
we
are
currently
developing
the
the
eis
and
I
want
to
point
out
that
the
environmental
impact
statement,
the
eis,
is
integrated
with
the
draft
feasibility
report.
I
So
it's
all
one
report
together,
it's
not
a
standalone
document,
and
so,
if
you
looked
at
our
report
last
spring,
the
draft
the
draft
report
were
released
in
april
of
2020.
That
was
the
integrated
draft
report
and
ea,
and
this
will
be
similar.
It
will
just
have
more
robust
analysis
in
the
eis
part
and
as
wes
mentioned,
we've
got.
Some
we've
got
a
programmatic
agreement
to
handle
our
cultural
resources.
We've
got
a
memorandum
of
understanding
towards
our
visual
impact
analysis.
That
visual
impact
analysis
report
will
be
part
of
the
the
draft.
I
I
I
I
All
right
so
for
cultural
resources,
we
deal
with
you,
hear
us
call
it
section
106,
all
the
time.
It's
the
national
historic
preservation
act,
section
106
of
the
national
historic
preservation
act
and
like
nepa,
that
requires
federal
agencies
to
consider
impacts
of
their
undertakings
on
the
natural
and
human
environment.
The
national
historic
preservation
act
requires
us
to
look
at
the
impacts
our
projects
may
have
on
historic
properties
and
historic
properties
is,
are
both
archaeological
sites
or
more
relevant
here
in
charleston?
I
Are
the
buildings
that
we
have
that
are
historic
and
there's
a
view
shed
analysis
there
and
we're
working
very
hard
to
sort
of
separate
the
view
shed
from
a
historic
perspective
versus
the
visual
impact
analysis
they're
slightly
different,
that
one's
more
aesthetic
and
under
106.
It's
specifically
related
to
the
historic
properties
and
the
elements
by
which
they
are
considered
eligible
for
the
national
register
of
historic
places,
whether
they're
on
it
or
not,
or
whether
they're
designated
as
a
landmark
or
not.
We
still
take
into
consideration
impacts
if
they
would
be
eligible.
I
I
I
Once
we've
addressed
all
of
the
comments
that
we
got
from
the
stakeholders
and
signatories
on
that
document,
she
will
send
it
back
out
to
them
to
look
at
it
again.
It's
a
an
iterative
process.
I
know
vimini
used
that
phrase
before
for
planning
and
kind
of
everything
we
do.
Is
we
do
the
work
we
send
it
out.
We
get
the
response
we
review
and
respond.
We
send
it
back
out.
We
get
a
back
check,
so
a
lot
of
our
work
is
iterative
in
that
way,
and
section
106
is
absolutely
no
different.
I
The
programmatic
agreement
that
we
are
developing
lays
out
exactly
how
we
will
define
impacts,
how
we
will
take
into
consideration
the
significance
of
those
impacts.
How
we
will
come
to
decisions
about
mitigation
for
those
impacts
and
the
input
points
for
all
of
the
stakeholders
in
that
process?
A
lot
of
this
will
happen
during
our
head.
It
will
begin
to
happen
as
we
get
design
designs
sort
of
actually
designed
right
at
this
point
in
feasibility,
everything
is
just
well,
it's
just.
Is
it
feasible
to
put
a
structure?
I
You
know
a
barrier
around
the
city
or
not
in
ped,
we
will
actually
start
to
design
what
that
thing
really
looks
like
where
it
will
be
situated
and
as
those
designs
progress,
we
will
be
able
to
identify
potential
adverse
impacts
to
cultural
resources,
and
that's
when
we'll
start.
This
we'll
continue
the
consultation
with
all
of
our
signatories
and
and
consulting
agencies
based
on
the
programmatic
agreement
that
we're
developing
right
now.
A
G
G
G
So
that's
the
agreement,
the
city
and
the
corps
are
working
under
now
under
feasibility
phase,
so
we'll
enter
something
similar
during
the
design
phase
city
is
required
to
acquire
all
of
the
real
estate
for
the
project.
However,
they
get
a
credit
towards
their
cost
share.
On
that
real
estate
acquisition,
we
cannot
award
a
construction
contract
until
all
of
the
real
estate
easements
have
been
acquired
in
the
city.
G
G
G
G
That's
based
on
funding
available
betterments
are
100
funded
by
the
city
of
charleston.
I
will
say
I
forgot
to
mention
at
the
beginning
that
this
pre-construction
engineering
design
fade
is
also
cost
shared.
It's
a
65-35,
so
65
federal
35
percent
non-federal,
and
I
just
put
a
couple
of
engineering
activities.
I
know
you
guys
are
interested.
I
need
to
talk
about
your
water
management
plan.
Some
of
the
things
that
we
will
do
in
our
in
our
pet
phase
is
we
need
more
survey,
information.
Where
are
the
utilities?
We
need
some
topo
surveys?
Archaeology.
G
G
There
could
be
some
instances
where
we
look
at
instead
of
a
t
wall,
as
we've
recommended
in
our
report.
We're
doing
eyewall
eyewall
is
not
resilient.
However,
it
requires
much
much
less
real
estate
for
construction
and
then,
of
course,
we've
only
done
a
on
the
street
surface
drainage,
surface,
hydrology
modeling.
At
this
point,
we
do
need
to
take
into
account
what's
under
the
earth,
so
we
need
to
do
a
subsurface
drainage
analysis
and
then
two
things
the
core
always
does
on
these
massive
projects,
we'll
do
a
value,
engineering
and
risk
assessment.
G
So
right
now
I
think
we've
got
80
some
gates
along
this
eight
mile
footprint.
I
can
tell
you
right
now
that
number
needs
to
be
reduced.
There's
a
lot
of
risk
associated
with
these
gates,
there's
a
lot
of
operation
and
maintenance
costs
associated
with
these
gates,
and
we
will
look
at
reducing
these
gate
gates
in
numbers
during
that
design
phase
and,
of
course,
we'll
have
public
input
as
we
walk
through
the
process.
I
just
put
some
numbers
out
here:
35
65,
95
99,
depending
on
who
does
the
design
we'll
have
public
review
stakeholder
input?
G
There
will
be
more
activities
that
we
have
to
do
in
pet.
I
just
wanted
to
list
a
couple
of
the
engineering
tasks
here.
As
I
know
that
was
important
for
the
group
to
understand
kind
of
what
what
additional
analysis
will
will
take
take
a
hold,
but
but
with
that
being
said,
I
I
I
don't
have
anything
else
on
the
slides,
hey
good,
I'm
gonna
actually
minimize
this.
So
I
can
see
everybody
again.
I've
been
talking
to
a
screen
for
the
past
hour.
A
A
Perfect
there
we
go.
Oh
look,
look
at
myself
there.
I
really
appreciate
it
appreciate
your
your
time
and
everybody's.
You
know
everybody's
time
and
effort
putting
all
this
together.
You
know
one
thing
that
and
I'll
go
through
a
list
of
questions
for
you
all
and
one
thing
I'd
like
to
kind
of
discuss
and-
and
you
know,
help
lay
out
there
is-
and
this
is
probably
a
question
for
wes
and
and
maybe
bimini
as
well.
But
you
know
what
is
what
does
our
50-year
project?
It's
a
big
horizon
right.
A
A
G
G
G
Okay.
So
if,
if
I'm,
if
I'm
putting
together
a
a
scope
of
work
and
in
fy
23,
I
can
execute
10
million
dollars
to
get
a
contract
awarded
to
an
a
e,
the
city's
contribution
would
be
three
and
a
half
million.
The
course
contribution
would
be
six
and
a
half
million
and
that's
just
budgeted
on
an
annual
basis.
G
So
in
fy24
we
look
at
the
scope
work,
I
can
say
I
can
award
another
amy
contract
for
20
million
dollars
core
would
budget
13?
The
city
would
do
seven
and
math
might
be
a
little
off
there,
but
that's
how
that's
how
the
budgets
kind
of
roll
out
we
budget
on
an
annual
basis.
We
budget,
based
on
what
the
core
can
execute
in
that
given
year,
where
the
big
numbers
really
hit
are
construction.
G
G
A
B
G
A
B
A
G
So
I'll
be
the
first
to
admit,
I
am
not
familiar
with
other
benefit
cost
ratios
around
the
core.
You
guys
in
charleston
have
my
full
attention,
so
I
will
get
you
some
numbers
I
don't
know
mark.
I
know.
Mark
has
talked
with
norfolk
in
miami
in
the
past.
I
don't
know
if
he
has
some
information
there
or
we
could
talk
to
core
leadership
and
figure
out
if
they
could
give
us
some
numbers
on
similar
projects.
As
this.
D
D
Every
member
of
this
committee
is
invited
to
that
session.
You
don't
have
to
sign
up
for
the
conference
I'll,
send
the
information
out.
You
are
all
invited
to
attend
to
that
particular
session
I'll,
be
at
the.
I
believe.
It's
a
charleston
historical
society,
but
let
me
get
you
that
information,
the
intent
there
is.
This
team
of
cities
has
been
meeting
on
a
regular
basis
and
we
wanted
to
get
that
team
together.
Do
it
in
a
more
formal
format
and
then
obviously,
I
think
it
would
benefit.
A
G
A
G
Our
divided
the
peninsula
up
into
five
model
areas,
we
had
the
wagner,
terrace
model
area,
the
marina
model
area,
battery
port
and
new
market,
and
this
was
done
for
not
necessarily
to
separate
the
peninsula
into
different
sections,
but
it's
easier
for
analysis
and
to
roll
up
the
economics
and
the
structures
and
asset
values
in
that
regards,
and
then
anything
else
on
that
now.
You're.
H
A
Thank
you
and
then
and-
and
the
other
note
is
from
susan
lyons
is,
do
you
expect
the
vcr
to
go
higher
than
2.2,
which
would
make
the
project
more
competitive?
I
know
that
relates
to
kind
of
right.
Excuse
me
yeah,
my
addition
that
susan,
you
may
may
or
may
not
agree,
but
you
know,
of
course
the
benefit
cost
ratio
is
all
all
about
the
the
comparative
likelihood
of
a
project
receiving
the
funding,
and
so
you
know
as
long
as
it's
it's
positive,
I
think
as
a
community.
A
G
A
G
A
Great
thanks
and
then
you
know,
I
know
we're
running
up
on
on
time.
So
so
does
I
want
to
do
doug's
question.
Then
we
have
well
hey
nancy.
There
you
go
state
funding
is
fine.
Only
federal
funds
are
not
allowed
doug.
I
don't
know
if
that,
if
that
answers
your
question,
good,
okay,
cool
and
then
yeah,
the
last
thing
I
want
to
do
is
just
again
we're
just
running
short
on
time
and
first
off.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
core
for
being
here.
Sharing
your
thoughts.
A
I'm
sure
we'll
have
a
lot
of
follow-up
questions.
I
know
this
is,
I
see
a
huge
deal
for
us
and
appreciate
all
your
your
diligent,
hard
work
and
and
and
and
helping
us
protect
our
you
know,
city
from
from
water
risk,
and
you
know
so
I'd
like
along
that
same
band
like
to
we
don't
have
the
full
committee
here
and,
and
both
council
members
have
left.
I
know
we've
gone
got
a
little
long,
but
it's
obviously
an
important
topic.
A
I'd
like
to
you
know,
gail,
and
let
me
know
if
there's
anything.
Procedurally,
I
need
to
do
here,
but
but
go
you
know,
get
a
vote
and
show
hands
from
the
city
to
to
incorporate
specifically
to
incorporate
a
water
management
plan
in
our
overall
recommendation
and
also
recommend
a
water
management
plan
begin
now
to
be
done
by
the
beginning
of
the
preliminary
engineering
and
design
phase,
and
so,
okay
again,
I'm
not
an
expert
on
the
the
rules
of
order
here.
What
do
I
do
at
this
point?
A
A
Great
great,
thank
you
all
very
much.
I
really
appreciate
it
so
on
the
next
next
meeting,
we'll
you
know,
have
specifics
on
on
get
that
written
up
and
get
everybody's
okay
on
what
that
looks
like
and
I'm
happy
we've
you're
trying
to
chop
wood
here
so
to
speak
and
work
through
everything
and
again
mark
hey.
Are
there
any
additional
follow-up
items?
I
know
we
can
talk
to
your
schedule
as
well.
I
just
thought
of
that
really
briefly.
B
B
We
can
get
together
and
follow
up
some
email
over
the
next
48
hours,
and
you
know
it's
about
three
to
four
folks
on
each
committee
and
take
consensus
on
when
you
all
want
to
meet,
and
you
really
will
drive
those
those
meetings
on
that
topic.
But
we'll
get
more
information
out
about
that.
But
I
think
that
was
the
last
thing
from
a
logistical
standpoint.
A
Great
no
thank
you
thank
you
and
then
you
know
for
the
next
meeting
I
wish
laura
is
on
okay,
great,
so
next,
meeting
we'd
like
to
do
is,
is
go
through.
Subject
will
be
design
focused,
that'll,
be
you
know,
alan
davis,
the
city
design
center
and
his
ongoing
work
in
the
sherwood
report,
as
well
as
sponsored
by
the
coastal
conservation
league.
Thank
you
for
that
and
then
and
then
looking
at
bio
habitats
and
also
you
know
you
can
discuss
kind
of
pros
and
cons
on
each
front
so
yeah.
D
If
I
could
just
very
quickly
just
ask
wes
one
question,
it's
a
question.
I
get
all
the
time
and
I
think
it's
important
for
the
committee
to
hear
the
answer
directly
from
the
court,
and
that
is
what
happens
wes
if
we
get
into
beyond
ped
or-
and
we
get
into
construction
in
the
city,
for
whatever
reason,
just
doesn't
have
money
that
year
or
the
next
year
to
be
able
to
come
up
with
this
cost
share.
What
what
would
this
army
corps
do
in
a
situation
like
that.
G
So
great
question
mark,
so
we
do
this
with
all
of
our
non-federal
sponsors.
Before
we
request
money
and
a
work
plan
or
a
president's
budget,
we
go
to
the
city
of
charleston
this
case
and
say:
look:
we've
got
10
million
dollars
worth
of
work
to
get
started
in
design
phase.
We
need
three
and
a
half
million
from
the
city
to
meet
your
match.
Your
cost
share.
G
A
G
G
I'm
just
throwing
that
number
out
there
and
then
come
to
find
out.
They
can't
award
a
construction
contract
or
call
share
construction
contract.
Now
you're
left
with
100
million
dollars
for
the
easements,
but
with
no,
you
know
no,
no
ability
to
move
forward
past
that
real
estate
portion
does
that
make
sense.
G
A
G
A
Great
well,
thank
you
all
everybody
for
for
your
time
and
and
continued
diligence
going
into
this
project,
certainly
appreciate
it.
I
think
we're
making
making
great
progress
so
yeah
look
forward
to
seeing
everybody.
You
know
two
weeks
from
today
and
then
the
folks
on
the
subcommittees
be
on
the
lookout
for
additional
communication,
probably
send
out
one
more
round
of
requests
for
interest
for
the
subcommittees,
but
be
on
the
lookout
for
additional
communication
on
that
front
as
well.