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City of Charleston Army Corps 3x3 Advisory Committee 6/30/21
A
D
A
C
F
F
Great
well,
thank
you
everybody
for
the
time
again,
I
know
it's
a
travel
week.
Obviously
I
appreciate
y'all
devoting
the
time
and
energy
and
effort
to
this.
Today
we
have
two
major
topics.
One
is
go
over
the
water
plane
recommendation.
I
saw
a
lot
of
great
commentary
and
email
traffic
on
that
that
we
can
incorporate
and
discuss
general
thoughts
on
it
and
then,
secondly,
go
over.
F
You
know
overview
of
the
timeline
and
general
strategy
for
the
recommendation
and
specifically
timeline
in
the
part
of
the
city
of
charleston,
which
mark
will
mark
and
kim
we'll
give
the
giveaway
overview
on.
So
to
start,
you
know
what
I'd
like
to
do.
I
know
mike
brought
this
up
is
a
concept.
I
think
this
will
help
inform
process
on
the
citizen.
G
G
G
I
think
it's
unsafe
at
slow
speed
for
us
to
not
really
put
in
there
some
hard
deadlines
that
well
proceed,
2023,
so,
given
that
it
may
actually
have
to
be
its
own
standing
alone
report
that
compiles
things
that
come
from
the
dutch
that
come
from
aecom
that
come
from
our
collective
knowledge.
There
may
be
some
lag
time
and
it
may
also
need
some
budgeting
that
goes
with
it.
We
are
in
our
budgeting
process.
G
G
I
concur
100
and
I
think
it
was
probably
bob
in
the
first
instance
that
brought
this
up,
and
I
think
there's
unanimity
on
this
committee
that
we
need
to
urge
the
city
to
have
a
water
plan
sooner
rather
than
later,
I'm
going
to
say
something
that
may
be
a
little
indelicate:
it's
not
complicated.
We
can
do
this.
G
We
have
the
collective
knowledge
to
do
it,
and
I
see
susan
shaking
her
head
because
she's
seen
me
give
this
plea
in
the
speech,
depending
on
what
setting
we're
in
including
campaign
settings,
and
I
think
that
maybe
it's
this
committee
that
puts
us
over
the
edge
to
do
it.
So
that
being
said,
there
may
be
some
lag
time
on
it,
but
it's
certainly
not
2023.
G
It's
probably
well
before
then,
and
to
the
extent
that
we're
gonna
meld
the
3x3
study
with
long-term
commitments
from
the
city
to
other
water
management
projects.
We
need
to
have
that
priority
list
in
place,
probably
before
any,
if
not
any,
but
any
significant
monies
are
committed
to
by
city
council,
and
I
will
tell
you
as
one
of
the
13
that
gets
a
vote
on
this
and
I'll.
Let
council
member
waring
speak
from
it
for
himself.
G
I
don't
see
any
large-scale
commitments
or
long-term
commitments
being
made
by
our
city,
council
and
our
city
for
monies
to
a
single
project.
Until
we
know
what
the
prioritization
matrix
looks
like
long
term
across
the
board.
Does
that
make
some
sense
mark?
Is
that
sort
of
consistent
with
what
we
talked
about
this
morning.
H
H
Over
the
last
couple
three
years,
there's
been
a
lot
of
work
going
on
by
our
storm
water
department
to
begin
to
understand
those
areas
that
we
didn't
understand
and
to
develop
potential
projects
in
those
areas.
So
the
east
side
is
the
best
example
of
that
matt's
teams
have
been
working
on
the
east
side
really
really
hard
lately
to
begin
to
get
an
understanding.
H
Likewise,
if
you
look
at
what
we've
uncovered
with
the
the
brick
archways
there's
opportunities
there
that
we
didn't
know
just
a
year
ago,
so
that
time
was
well
spent
to
begin
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
areas,
so
I
do
agree
with
councilmember
seekings
on
on
process
and
I
think
we're
a
better
place
today
than
we
were
probably
two
years
ago.
I
think
last
year
we
probably
could
have
didn't.
We
probably
could
have
done
rfp.
However,
that
was
over
the
year
and
everything
in
the
budget
that
wasn't
absolutely
necessary
got
taken
out.
H
So
this
is
a
new
year
and
I
agree
with
council
members
seeking
we're
in
the
budget
cycle
now.
A
strong
message
from
this
group
would
possibly
be
the
thing
to
get
us
get
it
in
the
budget
for
this
coming
year
and
I
think
you'll
probably
see
an
effort
to
do
that.
So
I
I
think
all
of
that
is
true
and
I
hope
I
hope
we're
you
know:
transparency,
we're
giving
exactly
where
we
were
what's
been
going
on.
G
And
mr
chairman,
I
see
that
bob,
among
others
has
a
hand
up,
but
I
literally
have
to
cut
out
so
I'll.
Just
say
this.
I
think
a
sense
of
urgency
needs
to
be
incorporated
into
whatever
resolution
that
this
committee
adopts.
It
also
needs
to
be
consonant
with
the
second
part
of
the
conversation
that
you
all
are
going
to
have
today,
and
I
look
forward
to
getting
a
report
back
on
how
that
conversation
goes,
and
that
is
this.
G
G
And,
ironically,
I'm
going
to
hang
up
now
because
we're
going
down
for
a
presentation-
and
I
guess
a
ribbon
cutting
for
low
battery,
which
again
is
another
project-
that's
out
there
that
still
has
funding
needs
out
there.
So
with
that,
I
hate
to
hear
I
hate
to
miss
the
response
to
what
I've
said
and
what
y'all
going
to
say,
but
I'm
sure
that
I'll
get
a
report
back
from
everybody.
So
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
floor
at
the
beginning.
G
F
F
I
mean
largest
initial
expenditure,
is
the
primary
engineering
design
phase,
which
would
begin
2023,
and
so
that
start
time
for
the
pe
phase
was
the
latest
time
at
which
this
this
report
could
be
complete
in
order
to
perform
whether
we
wanted
to
move
forward
or
not.
That's
just
a
quick
kind
of
background
color
for
everybody
involved
and
how
fragile
discussion,
but
bob.
I
know
you
had
your
hand
up.
Please
please,
please,
fire
away.
B
Thanks
jacob
relative
to
the
notion
of
you
know
the
group's
consensus
on
the
need
for
urgency
with
the
water
plan
as
an
observation,
and
I
apologize
that
this
sounds
sort
of
obnoxious,
but
it
shouldn't
be
this
hard.
It
shouldn't
be
this
hard.
Everyone
agrees
that
this
is
essential,
necessary
a
priority.
B
B
You
know
we
need
to
get
a
handle
on
this,
so
prioritization
can
take
place.
Informed
decisions
can
take
place,
funding
requests
can
go
out,
tax
implications
can
be
assessed,
so
the
need
for
this,
I
think,
is
great.
Okay,
I'm
sorry
I'll
keep
my
comments
short.
Once
we've
got
the
water
plan
you
know
tabled
with
the
city.
You
know.
I
think
this
group
needs
to
also
opine
on
a
real
fundamental
question
and
mike
touched
on
this
in
terms
of
the
viability
of
three
by
three
I'm
not.
B
Maybe
the
group
presupposes
that
the
three
by
three
is
a
done
deal
and
everything
else
is
subject
to
that.
If
that
is
one
of
the
design
principles,
then
the
group
should
all
agree
to
that.
In
my
humble
opinion,
if
not,
then
I'm
to
you
know,
re-uh
express
the
notion
of
someone
needs
to
professionally
assess
the
viability
of
the
project
before
we
get
to
the
right
of
the
decimal
point
in
terms
of
aesthetics
and
pathing
and
fishing
and
all
those
kinds
of
things
do
we
have
the
votes?
B
Do
we
have
the
votes
from
the
population,
the
citizenry?
Do
we
have
the
votes
from
the
council?
Do
we
have
the
votes
from
our
congressional
delegation?
Do
we
have
the
votes
potentially
from
congress?
We've
asked
for
the
competitive
city's
return
on
investments
to
compare
to
our
two
by
two.
Maybe
it's
two
by
four
now
with
the
elimination
of
the
off
the
battery
berm,
but
what's
the
data?
What
is
the
data?
How
do
we
make
a
proposal
in
regards
to
that,
so
some
editorial
comments?
F
E
C
Okay,
sorry
about
that,
I'm
outside
I
just
wanted
to
ditto
with
what
bob
said.
He
said
it
so
well
and
and
it's
it's
comprehensive,
and
I
just
wanted
to
add
to
what
mike
said.
We
need
to
figure
out
how
to
communicate
to
the
members
of
council,
obviously
and
bring
them
along
with
the
process
as
we're
going
through
the
process,
because
a
lot
of
them,
I
don't
think,
have
any
idea
what's
going
on
with
us,
and
we
also
need
to
find
a
really
good
way
to
communicate
with
the
public.
C
And
I've
been
saying
this
for
a
while,
but
I
I
really
do
think
we
need
to
kind
of
figure
out
what
a
regular
update
to
our
citizenry
would
look
like
and
and
put
our
communication
subcommittee
in
charge
of
doing
it
and
then
do
it,
because
a
lot
of
people
out
there
in
charleston
do
not
know.
What's
going
on
and
they're
going
to
be
surprised
when
the,
when
the
finality
of
this
comes
to
to
their
doorstep
and
they're
going
to
need
to
pay
for
something.
C
F
C
C
F
A
C
I
think
too,
if
if
we
could
maybe
brief
the
mayor
on
all
of
this
informally
and
have
him
go
before
the
public
and
announce
that
let's
say
these
updates
are
coming,
and
this
group
is
working
and
you
know
kind
of
raise
the
visibility
of
what
is
going
on
here.
I
think
it
would
go
a
long
way
to
helping
the
public
understand
that
there
are
options
and
that
we
are
considering
them
and
to
encourage
what
they're
calling
public
engagement.
H
I
That's
good
what
about
including
some
updates.
I
don't
know
if
everybody
gets
it,
but
the
friday
afternoon,
emails
that
come
from
the
city,
the
hey,
neighbor
updates.
If
we
could
include
a
weekly
update
from
the
3x3
committee
and
there
I
don't
know
what
the
distribution
is
like
for
that.
But
that's
another
way
to
disseminate
updates
on
the
project
and
the
work
of
the
committee.
H
H
If
you
guys
want
to
write
something
up
I'll
I'll
reach
out
to
becca
today
and
see
if
I
don't
put
things
in
from
committees,
but
we
could
certainly
take
what
you
have
and
kayla
and
I
can
take
it
put
it
in
it
and
then
put
it
back
into
there
like
it's
coming
from
us.
I
gotta
just
find
out
how
that
works.
A
Yeah
and
mark
we
I
mean
we,
we
have
that
section
of
the
resilience
website,
that's
dedicated
to
this
committee
and
that's
where
we've
been
posting
recordings.
We
could
make
that
section
a
little
robust
and
try
to
work
with
our
communications
team
on
how
we,
just
at
least
get
that
website
out
more
to
folks
periodically
where
they
are
checking
it
and
seeing
the
updates
for
each
meetings,
and
we
can
put
the
subcommittee
meetings
on
there
and
things
of
that
nature
is
too
so
just
getting
that
a
little
more
face.
C
A
Yeah
we're
just
done
mark
you
can
chime
in
too,
but
the
city
as
we're
coming
out
of
covet
is
trying
to
now
tackle
logistically
how
we
hold
larger
in-person
meetings,
but
still
keeping
some
of
the
cdc
guidelines.
We've
we've
conquered
some
of
the
city
council
meetings
now
and
now
I
know
they're
working
on
some
of
the
standing
committees
and
commissions,
so
hopefully
in
the
next
meeting
or
two,
we
will
have
some
more
to
report
about
that,
but
we
are
definitely
eager
to
meet
in
person
and
hope
that
can
happen
soon.
F
F
Does
anybody
have
any
additional
kind
of
thoughts
on
the
proposed
water
plan
recommendation?
I
think
I'd
like
to
do.
You
know
gather
additional
comments
on
that
front
and-
and
you
know,
maybe
we
could
work
on
some
additional
language
or
changing
the
language
rather
to
meet
the
commentary
and
yeah.
But
that's
the
question:
are
there
any
additional
comments
before
we
dive
into
the
kind
of
incorporate
the
end
of
the
water
plan?
Recommendation.
D
Hey
good
I'll,
just
jump
in
I.
I
share
the
sense
of
urgency
that
others
have
expressed,
and
I
think
councilman
seeking
said
it
well
this
morning
and
mark
thanks
for
validating
that.
My
my
only
note
of
caution
is
a
comprehensive
water
plan,
even
though
we
already
have
a
lot
of
the
elements
in
place
and
ready
to
plug
in
it's
still
a
very
large
scope
effort,
and
when
you
look
at
new
orleans,
it
took
them
two
and
a
half
years
to
arrive
at
their
urban
water
plant.
D
H
Well,
I
will
only
say
this
and
I
know
andy's
on,
but
I
would
I'll
speak
to
this,
because
I've
had
multiple
conversations
with
a
lot
of
people.
I
think
I
would
recommend
that
the
recommendation
from
this
group
goes
forward
the
way
it
is
with
the
fact
that
we
do
this,
where
we
look
at
the
peninsula
year,
one
and
then
take
and
bite
off
each
of
the
other
parts
of
the
city
in
subsequent
years.
H
The
new
orleans
was
a
very
comprehensive
plant,
but
it
took
on
the
entire
city
you're
right
it
was
two
and
a
half
years
and
it
you
know
they
have
a
lot.
Their
challenges
are
similar
to
ours,
I'm
not
going
to
say
they're,
not
they
are
similar
to
ours.
Of
course,
we're
not
below
sea
level,
which
makes
us
a
little
bit
better,
but
they
are.
H
The
challenges
are
the
same,
and
but
I
do
think
one
thing
that
we
have
going
for
our
city
and
you
can
see
it
in
the
the
perimeter
protection
report
and
council
member
seeking
just
spoke
to
it.
We
have
so
many
studies
looking
at
the
peninsula
already
from
many
different
sources
that
there's
there's
a
vast
library
to
pull
from
and
those
those
stuff
are
relatively
recent,
which
is
good
for
us.
H
So
I
can't
tell
you
exactly
how
long
I
wish
I
could
I
can't,
but
I
I
think
it
would
be
relatively
quick
in
my
conversations
relatively
quick
being
a
year
18
months,
but
I
think,
and
and
within
the
wording
I
I
would
also
say
this
committee
has
the
opportunity
to
say
that
the
city-
you
know
until
such
time
that
that
water
plan
is
complete,
the
city
should
not
commit
money
to
moving
forward
with
ped.
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
what
you
all
are
saying.
H
Until
we
have
that
information,
we
don't
commit
any
additional
money
to
move
forward
with
ped.
I
think
that's,
I
think,
that's
an
option
that
this
committee
has
to
to
frame
it.
That
way,
I
think
that's
what
I'm
hearing
all
of
you
say
is
that
we
don't
get
in
a
position
where
we're
not
committing
money
to
bed.
We
haven't
finished
the
water
plan,
so
we
may
not
know
which
direction
we're
going.
B
Yeah,
if
I
could,
you
know,
we
can
get
convinced
that
the
assembly
of
a
water
plan
is
overwhelming,
but
you
know
there's
a
natural
tendency
to
crawl,
walk,
run
and
pragmatically
and
to
mark's
suggestion
that
funding
be
withheld
on
major
projects
until
we
have
a
water
plan
to
everyone's
satisfaction,
I'm
not
sure
that
is
realistic.
I'd
go
back
to
the
question
of
do
we
have
the
votes,
what
kind
of
visibility
on
the
total
portfolio
of
necessary
projects
and
spending?
B
How?
How
do
we
clarify
that,
so
that
we
can
get
the
votes
to
support
major
undertakings
like
600
million
for
a
wall?
So
that
may
not
be.
You
know
if
there
are
40
elements
to
complete
a
comprehensive
water
plan,
let's
knock
off
the
first
five
and
just
track
and
advise
the
public
we've
done
these
five
now
here
are
the
next
five,
whether
that's
the
peninsula,
but
I
think
the
very
very
first
step
is
to
plan
the
plan
who's
responsible.
B
F
Thank
you.
It's
actually
a
a
great
segue
into
the
next
next
portion
of
the
the
meeting.
So
maybe
what
I'll
do
is
unless
he
has
an
immediate
comments,
you
know
look
at
have
mark
present.
What
what
the
city
has
you
know
as
far
as
strategy
and
time
frame
going
forward,
and
then
you
know
bringing
this
issue
regarding
specific
language
and
what
to
incorporate
back
up
after
after
market's
done
so
mark.
Why
don't
you
go
ahead
and
provide
that
outline
then
we'll
yeah.
H
H
What
we
tried
to
do
over
the
last
several
weeks
was
to
tell
you
everything
that
we
know
in
the
most
transparent
way
that
we
can,
and
that
was
by
bringing
independent
groups
in
front
of
you
to
give
you
things
that
they
have
proposed
or
studied.
We
brought
outside
cities
in
to
talk
about
their
work
and
how
they're
proposing
this,
and
so
what
to
do
today
was,
after
all
of
that
is
to
to
go
back
and
talk
about
hear
from
people
again.
H
We
have
an
obligation
as
a
city
to
continue
on
the
army
corps
timeline,
which
is
the
next
thing
that
we
owe
them
is
we
owe
them
a
series
of
comments
of
their
plan.
Okay
and-
and
so
that's,
what
we're
working
on
the
city
staff
is
working
on.
That
party
was
to
give
us
your
thoughts
and
recommendations
on
the
plan.
Now
all
of
the
others
we've
been
talking
about
the
water
plan
and
how
we
fund
this.
We
really
you
know
we,
those
are
things
that
that
come
outside
of
working
on
the
plant.
H
We've
got
to
give
them
our
thoughts
on
the
merits
of
the
plan,
and
I
think
bob
you
just
you
just
know
that.
So
that's
what
we're
working
on
is
that,
in
addition
to
some
of
these
other
things,
so
what
I'd
like
to
do
today
is
to
kind
of
walk
back
through
these
larger
areas
and
hear
what
your
thoughts
and
comments
are
after
having
heard
from
wagner
and
ball
after
having
heard
from
the
army
corps
of
engineers.
H
H
We
looked
at
this
from
the
very
beginning
that
we
have
an
obligation
to
protect
our
community
lifelines,
which
takes
a
lot
of
the
the
meta
district
into
account,
which
is
the
area
the
city,
that's
mostly
threat,
certain
neighborhoods
and
all
of
the
people
all
of
the
neighborhoods,
and
we
have
neighborhoods
where
we
have.
You
know.
H
So
all
of
that,
the
way
we
looked
at
this,
how
do
we
protect
that?
Okay,
that
is
important
and
early
on?
I
provided
to
you
just
how
important
that
economic
activity
was
to
not
just
the
city,
but
you
know
to
the
entire
region,
but
so
we've
got
a
lot
of
things
that
we
look
at
when
we
we
take
undertake
projects
like
this.
How
do
we
protect
that
bigger
picture?
So
we
wanted
you
to
know
that
that's
where
we
came
from
from
the
very
beginning.
H
The
other
thing
we
did
in
the
very
beginning
is:
we
said
we're
not
going
to
retreat.
Okay,
that
was
that
was
a
thing
that
we
started
with.
The
army
asked
us
that,
and
we
said
no
we're,
not
retreating.
We
are
going
to
find
a
way
to
protect
and
preserve
what
we've
got
here.
What
we
have
here
is
special
and
we
want
to
protect
it
and
preserve
it.
H
So,
basically
those
recommendations
and
all
of
those
outlines-
we've
got
a
report
now
that
shows
that
there
is
federal
interest,
okay,
that
it
makes
sense
to
the
federal
government.
We
don't
know
if
it
makes
enough
sense
to
fund
it,
but
we
know
that
we've
gotten
through
where
they
will
fund
it,
but
there
are
other
factors
at
play
and
we've
spent
some
time
this
morning.
Talking
about
those
city
priorities
funding
all
we
can
talk
about.
H
The
assumption
is
that
there's
a
protection
system
on
the
peninsula,
that's
the
assumption,
based
on
the
work
that
they
comprehensive
plan
team
did
now,
whether
that
makes
it
all
the
way
through
city
council.
We've
still
got
some
time
to
do
that,
but
I
will
say
every
independent
group
that
has
looked
at
this
from
wagner
ball
to
the
dutch
dialogues
team,
which
was
a
conglomerate
of
many
people
from
around
the
world
that
looked
at
it.
H
In
addition
to
the
army
corps
of
engineers
and
all
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
have
all
said
at
some
point:
the
peninsula
is
going
to
need
perimeter
protection
if
it's
going
to
stay
here
in
its
current
form.
So
this
is
a
option
in
front
of
us.
This
plan
is
an
option
in
front
of
us
that
gets
us
there
with
two-thirds
being
roughly
two-thirds
funding,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
know
that.
H
There's
if
we
say
no
to
this,
we
probably
won't
get
another
bite
at
the
apple
for
federal
funding
on
this
for
a
long
long
time.
If,
if
we
were
to
say
no
having
marched
all
the
way
down,
we
also
have
in
the
queue
another
feasibility
study
with
the
army
corps
of
engineers
to
look
at
inland
flooding
from
all
causes.
We're
waiting
to
hear
on
that,
whether
it
makes
it
through
the
year
mark
process.
If
it
doesn't,
then
hopefully
we
can
get
it
into
the
next
eni
bill
that
comes
out.
H
H
I
do
think
it's
also
important
that
you
know
the
city
as
city
staff
and
alan
davis
and
myself
and
caitlyn
have
been
most
involved
in
this,
but
I
think
most
staff
agree
that
this
is
an
incremental
thing,
and
you
heard
that
if
you
were
at
the
keeping
history
above
water
with
with
the
army
and
a
number
of
the
other
cities,
you
know
if
we
get
to
ped,
we
we
get
ahead.
We
see
the
process
how
it's
working.
This
is
going
to
be
incremental.
H
C
H
Think,
that's
you
know
we'll
let
that
play
itself
out
when
we
get
to
it
so
right
now.
What
I'd
like
to
do
if
it's
possible,
is
to
walk
and
get
your
thoughts
additional
thoughts,
because
you've
already
submitted
many
thoughts
already
on
where
you
are
where
this
committee
is
on
a
number
of
factors,
and
this
is
an
open
discussion,
so
I
don't
want
to
confine
it.
Certainly,
let's
make
it
larger
smaller.
H
H
We
talked
about
flipping
the
phasing
from
two
to
three.
I
mean
this
this
morning
right
now
we're
kind
of
working
with
city
dollars,
so
maybe
it
makes
sense
to
go
to
three
and
then
that
would
be
up
the
east
side
of
the
peninsula
and
then
come
back
and
raise
two.
So
the
other
thing
would
be
the
commitment
to
the
non-structural
alternatives
and
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
those.
But
you
know
the
now
alternatives:
their
design
is
to
provide
the
same
level
of
protection,
not
defense,
and
that's
really
important.
H
Okay,
that
we
have
a
number
of
buildings
on
the
peninsula
and
kevin
mills
on
the
call
is
his
building
is
one
of
them
that
are
outside
of
the
perimeter
protection
system,
so
they're
outside
of
the
defense.
The
reason
they
are
is
because
they're
higher
than
what
the
wall
could
protect,
even
if
we
put
the
wall
there,
it
wouldn't
protect
the
habitable
areas
now
kevin-
and
I
just
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
thank
you
kevin
for
that
tour.
H
But
those
areas,
and
I'm
talking
about
rosemont
now
and
I'm
talking
about
bridgeview
and
then
the
lounge
area
there
is.
Those
areas
are
all
scheduled
planned
for
flood
proofing,
which
will
protect
them.
The
people
that
live
there
their
contents
to
the
same
level
that
any
wall
would
protect
if
it
was
around
them.
H
F
This
is
just
to
kind
of
start
station.
You
know
I
in
general,
I
mean
all
the
reports
like
there's
several
several
items
that
to
me
require
additional
study
is
my
opinion
on
it
and
I
think
getting
understanding
the
dollar
amount
commitments
and
the
timing
of
those
dollar
amount
commitments
is
the
most
important
part.
What
we're
doing
here.
I
don't
think
anybody
would
disagree,
there's
a
good
chance.
F
This
perimeter
wall
in
its
final
form,
to
your
point,
all
the
you
know,
smart
folks,
that
that
you
know
we've
y'all
everybody
that
is
engaged
agree
with
that
point.
But
the
question
is
I:
what
information
can
we
source
and
how
can
we
analyze
that
as
a
citizen
to
create
the
best
final
product
possible?
F
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
You
know
what
speaking
on
behalf
of
historic
charleston,
of
course,
our
number
one
concern
would
be
for
the
historic
resources
in
the
city
and
protecting
those
you
know
we
are.
We
are
you
know
we
endorse
the
idea
of
making
a
conformed
to
that
dutch
holder
model.
That
was
what
you
know.
The
the
dutch
told
us
when
they
came
here
as
part
of
the
dutch
dialogues
process
and
certainly
perimeter
protection
is,
is
part
and
parcel
of
this.
I
You
know
we
don't
want
the
wall
to
be
a
one-trick
pony.
You
know
it
has
to
be
adaptable
and
have
some
recreational
and
aesthetic
functionality
as
well.
You
know
we.
I
know
that
the
corps
has
repeatedly
said
that
that
they,
you
know,
75
of
their
engineering,
has
been
focused
on
avoiding
the
bathtub
effect.
We're
very
concerned
about
that.
But
you
know
we
have
to
figure
out
a
way
to
to
make
this
seawall
project
part
of
our
comprehensive
flooding
strategy,
and
you
know
avoid
making
this
enormous
infrastructure
investment.
I
You
know
a
one-trick
pony
for
solely
storm
surge
protection.
We
also
have
to
make
it
adaptable
over
time,
which
is
something
that
was
in
the
wagner
ball
report
so
that
it
can
adapt
to
sea
level
rise.
So
we
we
have
those
concerns
as
well,
but
you
know
by
and
large
we
are,
you
know
we
have
an
open
mind
and
are
generally
supportive
of
the
project.
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
I
want
to
kind
of
dial
it
back
a
little
bit
to
get
back
to
what
bob's
point
was
and
then
considering
everything
mark,
just
kind
of
threw
out
of
us
and
asked
the
question
about
the
technical
process
where
we
are
and
what
we're
recommending
as
the
committee
for
next
steps
because
and
mark
this
is
a
question
for
you
do
so
we've
agreed.
We
want
this
comprehensive
water
plan.
As
part
of
you
know
what
we're
recommending
to
the
city
that
they
do.
H
H
Get
done
the
core
would
would
I
mean
they
would
acknowledge
that
we've
been
talking
about
it
since
day,
one
that
we've
got
to
get
to
that
point.
So
I
I
don't
know
if
that
answers
your
question,
I
don't
think
us
having
to
do
a
water
plan
is
going
to
impact
their
decision
because
their
decision
is
based
on
the
merits
of
their
study.
H
H
If
you
all,
you
know,
recommend
it
to
be
prepared
for
pet.
That's.
When
we
get
down
to
additional
engineering
studies,
we
begin
to
design
the
wall
in
the
different
areas
that
we
that
we
we
tend
to
work
on.
That's
when
we
really
get
to
the
nuts
and
bolts
that's
the
work
the
city
has
to
do
now.
We
could.
H
Other
cities
have
taken
this
and
and
I'll
leave
them.
You
know
others
to
to
talk
about
their
cities,
but
other
cities
have
just
let
it
go
and
and
let
gone
to
pad
and
worked
with
the
corps
in
ped,
but
we
also
know
of
other
cities,
and
I
will
talk
about
cedar.
Rapids
cedar
rapids
got
very
aggressive
after
deciding
to
do
this
really
went
and
designed
their
idea
of
what
their
their
perimeter
should.
Look
like
and
they're
having
a
a
pretty
successful,
ped
period
out
there
from
what
we're
hearing.
H
A
H
A
F
F
Okay,
pet
is
scheduled
to
start
23
conceptually,
which
was
in
that
wagner,
ball
presentation.
So
the
whole
point
of
the
2023
like
forget
that
date,
the
the
real
important
point
is
like
get
it
done
before
pad
starts,
and
so
the
whole
question
there
is
like.
Well,
we
want
to
start
as
quickly
as
possible.
You
got
to
get
it
done
before
pet
starts.
It's
not
a
question
just
how
much
time
does
it
take
to
actually
actually
do
it.
F
C
I
do
think
that
there's
much
more
consensus
in
this
community
for
moving
even
more
toward
green
than
gray,
and
I
think
that
that
should
be
exercised
in
any
communication
at
this
point
from
us.
Whoever
us
is
to
to
the
army
so
that,
as
they
were
saying
in
the
conference
last
week,
the
pressure
continues
to
consider
nature-based
solutions.
C
H
Yeah
we've,
so
we
have
been
communicating
that
for
a
while
trying
to
you
know,
we've
offered,
let
us
be
the
pilot
right
and
just
in
the
just
as
an
understanding
on
process.
The
word
of
2020
bill
is
what
that's
the
water
resources
development
act
of
2020
kind
of
unlocked
a
lot
of
that.
Okay,
and
if
you
read
that
there's
a
number
of
things
that
congress
charges
the
army
corps
of
engineers
to
do
what.
H
But
those
regulations
aren't
written
yet
right.
So
they
don't
understand
how
to
cost
views
from
an
economic
standpoint.
They
don't
understand
how
to
get
a
cost
benefit
from
these.
And
how
do
you
monetize
these?
We
will
be
asking
in
our
comments
for
the
opportunity,
where
applicable,
during
bed,
phase,
to
go
back
and
look
at
any
options
that
have
been
worked
through
by
the
army
when
we
get
to
it
to
make
sure
that
those
you
know
we're
not
leaving
something
on
the
table.
That's
worked
its
way
through
and
I
think
that's,
I
think,
that's
fair
right.
H
If
it's,
if
it's
not
available
now,
but
if
it's
available
then
then
we
want
the
opportunity
to
take
another
look
at
it
when
we
get
to
ped
face,
so
those
will
be
really
interesting
discussions
that
happen
two
three
four
five
years
from
now,
but
I
do
think
getting
it
into
the
report
is
what's
important
from
our
standpoint.
We
do
not
want
to
leave
that
out
and
that
will
be
in
the
report.
H
Yeah
yeah,
if
we
could,
I
think
we
would
you
know
that
we
would
certainly
want
to
go
back
and
and
look
right
now
at
that,
but
there's
not
even
a
way
to
model
it.
As
I
understand
it,
I'm
not
the
expert
but
talking
to
the
experts,
there's
not
even
a
way
to
model
it
right
now
to
determine
how
effective
it
is.
It
isn't
from
an
economic
standpoint.
C
C
H
Yeah,
that's
an
interesting
thought
right.
How
how
does
the
city
begin
to
take
on,
and
it's
not
one?
That's
that
that
hasn't
that's
been
lost
on
us.
We've
talked
about
this
now
for
a
couple
of
years
is
how
do
we,
I
bolt
on
some
of
these
natural
nature
bases
that
we
take
on.
We
don't
have
to
wait
for
this
thing
to
be
built
to
do
some
of
that
that
those
options
exist
today.
H
I
mean
it's
happening
up
in
church
creek,
it's
happening
up
on
the
other
side
of
the
the
ashley
river.
There
are
some
of
there's
some
living
shoreline
work
already
taking
place
in
some
areas
around
the
city.
But
how
do
we
you
know?
How
do
we
increase
that
make
it
more?
Is
the
next
question
on
things
that
work
and.
H
In
the
comprehensive
plan
that
they'll
be
unveiled
a
little
more
this
afternoon,
it
was
a
great
point.
I
think
it's
a
valid
point.
You
know
we
need
to
wait
for
the
army
to
do
this
stuff.
There's
plenty
of
opportunities
to
begin
doing
it
now
and
even
after
the
walls
built
we
can
go.
Technology
is
changing
right.
E
Go
ahead
herbert!
Thank
you.
Yes,
I
was
listening
to
sue
as
well
as
everyone
else
and
in
the
army
course
planning
the
exclusion
of
rosemount
and
I
keep
bringing
it
up
because
of
the
fact
that
it
is
lying
in
a
vulnerable
area,
because
the
consensus
of
science
says
that
the
storm
is
going
to
come
and
eventually
it's
going
to
hit
all
areas.
Okay.
H
I
don't
want
to
take.
I
don't
want
to
tell
anybody
that
we're
taking
that
out,
because
maybe
it
doesn't
work,
we
don't
know
yet
if
it
works.
We
know
that
the
non-structural
will
protect
the
homes
and
the
contents,
which
is
what
we're
trying
to
do,
but
you
find
that
other
things
between
now
and
when
we
get
to
that
area
which
is
actually
in
phase
four
and
we've
instituted
something,
then
maybe
we
don't
have
to
do
as
many
phrasings
there.
I
don't
know
why
we
wouldn't,
but
maybe
we
don't.
H
H
H
Any
other
on
the
areas
that
we're
talking,
because
I've
got
a
number
of
others,
so
I
wanted
to
to
move
to.
We've
already
talked
about
resilience
and
adaptability.
I
think
kashin
mentioned
that
that's
already
going
to
be
in
the
army
corps
proposal
is
that
this
wall
can
go
higher,
so
it's
being
so,
they
can
go
up
to
three
feet
higher.
That's
that
portion
of
this
we
talked
about
one
one
of
the
areas
I'll
jump
to
this
first
is
is
recreation
and
amenities.
H
So
it's,
I
think
we
all
agree.
You
tell
me
if
you
do
or
you
don't
that
to
the
extent
possible
to
the
absolute
maximum
extent
possible.
What
I'm
hearing
from
this
committee
is.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
there
are,
to
the
extent
that
we
can
this
wall
and
I
hate
to
keep
using
the
term.
The
perimeter
protection
system
provides
one
access
to
the
water
and
is
as
much
as
an
amenity
as
we
can
make
it
so
this
much
money.
How
do
we?
How
do
we
make
this?
H
An
amenity
job,
the
low
battery
today
that
they're
unveiling
today?
If
you
go
down
there,
that's
really
gone
from
a
walkway
to
an
amenity
now
as
a
park
where
people
you
know
it's
accessible
for
for
folks.
That
may
need
wheelchairs
or
other
means
to
get
there.
There's
park
benches
there.
It's
really
become
an
amenity.
How
do
we
make
sure
that
this,
to
the
extent
that
we
can
make
an
amendment,
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we're
going
to
point
out
in
our
comments
as
well?
H
D
Yeah
mark,
I
would
absolutely
agree
with
that.
That's
the
reaction
I've
been
getting
from
colleagues
and
board
members,
as
we've
shared
some
of
the
progress
that
this
committee's
made,
and
I
think,
if
you
look
at
some
of
alan's
renderings
of
what
the
wall
would
look
like
in
its
most
base
form,
no
one
would
be
happy
with
the
charleston
that
has
that
that
kind
of
complexion
and
lack
of
accessibility.
So
there's
some
really
nice
designs
that
have
already
been
shared
from
sherwood
and
biohabitats
that
point
to
a
different
kind
of
future.
D
Elevator
promenades
bermed
areas
that
beautify
the
landscape
are
commensurate
with
the
character
charleston.
I
think
that
would
be
a
ground
zero
from
from
our
perspective.
If
we
can't
deliver
that,
then
the
whole
plan
would
be
in
question
the
skeleton's
necessary
to
protect
the
peninsula,
but
it's
not
sufficient
to
maintain
a
charleston
that
is
livable.
H
H
The
difference
they've
got
so
much
room
right
from
the
water
to
to
where
people
actually
start
living,
and
if
you
that
landscape
there
boy,
you
can
really
do
a
lot
and
ours
is
so
challenging
because
of
that
the
real
estate-
and
you
know
the
confinement
we've
got
to
find
a
way
to
do
it
and
that's
what
you
heard
at
the
conference
is
that
all
of
these
cities,
whether
it's
miami,
norfolk
or
charleston,
we're
struggling
with
this.
How
do
you
do
these
in
cities
to
to
me?
We're?
We
are
not.
H
I
mean
alan
davis
is
on
the
call.
Now
allen
is
as
long
as
he's
alive
and
breathes.
I
mean
he's
going
to
be
working
to
that
cause.
He's
really
done
a
whole
work
and
he's
very
committed
to
that,
and
I
know
dale
is
as
well.
The
mayor
is
we're
all
committed
to
that
so
yeah.
You
will
see
that
in
in
our
comments
for
the
report
as
well.
I
D
H
D
D
But,
as
you
know,
we've
been
doing
in
the
medical
district
is
to
create
healing
environments
outdoors
and
around,
and
so
we
also
agree.
We've
got
to
have
that
healing
environment.
It
needs
to
go
beyond
just
a
few
streets
around
the
buildings,
we'd
like
to
see
these
aesthetic
and
that
aesthetic
functionality,
but
also
the
amenities
that
you're
talking
about
be
part
of
the
plan.
H
H
Anything
else
from
anybody:
okay,
I'll
move
on
to
the
next
one
and
that's
section
106
and
protecting
our
historic
cultural
treasures.
I
think
kashin.
You
talked
to
this
a
little
bit,
but
I
wouldn't
be
interested
in
any
other
comments,
or
certainly
cash
and
add
additional
comments
to
just
how
important
that
is
and
how
important
it
is
to
to
maintain
work
with
the
throughout
the
section
106
process,
putting
the
right
parameters
in
place
so
that,
as
we
go
through
this,
that
those
those
things
can
protect
any
additional
thoughts
on
that
from
anybody.
H
H
Right
I
mean
I
can
do
it
so
the
programmatic
agreement
is,
we
got
a
meeting
set
up
what
friday
something
with
all
of
the
players,
programmatic
agreement
and
essentially
what
that
does
is
the
programmatic
agreement
is
a
standard
document
that
the
army
corps
puts
together
in
any
community.
They
work
in
with
cultural
and
historic
and
the
states
involved.
There's
there's
another
federal
agency
in
washington
dc,
whose
sole
purpose
is
to
make
sure
that
these
projects
protect
historical
assets
in
cities
as
they're
done.
H
H
Let
me
let
me
just
get
through
that
real
quick.
If
you
haven't
been
to
the
army
corps
website
recently,
as
recently
as
this
week,
they
now
have
under
frequently
asked
questions
and
answer
to
if
there's
any
unintended
consequences.
Okay,
so
you
can
go
there
and
read
that
frequently
asked
question.
Essentially,
statistically,
there
are
no
damages
that
they
can
that
they
can
point
to
with
any
sense
of
confidence
with
all
the
modeling
they've
done
that
this
is
going
to
cause
damage
to
any
other
area
of
the
city.
So
please
take
a
look
at.
H
I
don't
want
to
use
their
words.
They
put
it
into
their
words
on
the
frequently
asked
question,
but
what
I
do
is
the
way
I
take
out
of
it.
I
think
the
other
thing
that
we
want
to
stress
and
I'd
like
to
get
your
thoughts
on
is
this,
like
future
development
opportunities,
okay,
we
know
another
city
that
that's
running
into
this,
and
certainly
the
port.
All
union
here
is
one
area
that
jumps
out
at
us.
H
H
This
alignment
will
have
to
be
adjusted
as
we
move
along
okay,
and
so
that's
comments
that
we're
certainly
going
to
add
in
there
that
the
line
that
you
see
if,
if
things
happen
between
the
day
that
they're
when
they're
ready
to
start
digging,
those
are
all
going
to
have
to
be
considered
and
certainly
unique.
Here
we
know
how
important
that
is.
A
B
Hey
mark:
what's
your
view
on
how
in
the
development
approval
process,
is
there
an
adequate
lens
filter
to
take
into
account
the
vulnerability
of
the
city
I
mean
one
could
argue,
I
don't
know
extreme
would
be
a
moratorium,
but
is
there
adequate
consideration
of
the
need
for
the
city
to
put
up
a
wall
and
that
every
development
takes
away
drainage
and
porosity?
Is
that
a
word
you
know
drainage
going
with
hardscape?
H
H
How
do
we
zone
that
so
that
we
make
sure
that
we
don't
get
into
some
of
the
same
situations
that
we're
in
today,
where
people
build
on
the
edge
to
the
edge
leaves
us
very
little
room
to
do
anything
right,
we're
gonna
box
that
we've
got
to
get
ahead
of
that.
So
we've
already
started
those
conversations
with
the
planning
department.
Of
course
you
know
comprehensive
plan
comes
first
and
then
then
you
begin
to
look
at
other.
How
you
would
work
this
out
to
your
second
point.
H
Short
answer
is
yes,
we
have
more
work
to
do
there
in
within
our
storm
water
regulations.
There
was
a
lot
of
work
done
on
what
you
just
described,
but
not
talking
to
matt,
fountain
and
others.
I
think
I
think
they
all
agree
that
we
could
go
back
and
look
at
it
again
and
see
if
there's
other
ways
to
do
it,
but
you
know
a
lot
of
these
that
are
being
built
down
right
now.
They
have
systems
underneath
for
all
of
their
storm
water.
H
Does
that
prevent
us
going
forward
with
pervious
surfaces
where
we
can
slow
down
the
water?
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
capture
a
lot
of
water
on
these
plots,
but
certainly
you
can
slow
it
down
a
lot
which
can
help
the
drainage
systems
of
the
future.
So
your
point
you're
right
on
on
two
points
and
both
of
those
we
are
currently
being
discussed.
B
H
If
we
would
have
known
what
we
knew
20
years
ago
or
even
10
years
ago,
we
know
today,
I
think
it
might
have
been
designed
differently,
but
where
it's
never
too
late.
You've
got
to
think
these
things
through
looking
forward
and
how
you
how
you
do,
I
think
I
have
you,
have
all
answered
my
questions
that
I've
had
on
this.
Any
other
comments,
as
we
get
ready
to
begin
doing
this
season.
C
H
I
think
so
I
I
just
need
to
be
careful
that
I
don't
go
outside
any
rules
that
they
might
have,
but
we
have
to
show
it.
Certainly
I've
got
to
show
it
to
the
mayor
and
I've
gotta
show
it
to
city
council.
You
know,
there's
all
of
that.
So
what
I
don't
do
is
just
give
you
an
answer.
I
I
will
tell
you
I
want
to
be
as
transparent
as
possible.
F
H
Read
my
paragraph
right
here
on
her
comments,
so
I
think
we
have
a
good
understanding.
They
haven't
changed
a
lot,
and
this
is
good
the
set
of
comments
that
came
into
the
core.
We
used
all
of
those
and
created
categories
and
began
looking
at
ways
that
we
had
to
work
on
and
how
we
work
on
those
areas.
This
committee
would
give
us
your
comments.
They
fit
perfectly
and
it
sounds
like
you
know
those
those
are
the
concerns.
The
concerns
that
we've
heard
are
the
concerns
and
they're.
Certainly
the
city's
concerns.
H
H
H
H
H
I
hope
the
city
can
can
accurately
reflect
that
and
find
a
way
to
get
to
to
like
kevin
said
something
that
is
really
something
that
we
can
be
know
that
we're
providing
protection
but
also
be
proud
of,
and
people
can
come
here
and
look
at
it
and
go
wow.
You
know
they
had
a
chance
and
they
they
took
the
time
to
get
it
right.
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you
mark.
I
ask
this
very
well
put
I'll,
send
this
out
to
everybody
and
read
it,
but
in
thinking
through
how
to
change
this
water
recommendation
to
based
on
the
conversation
we've
had
today,
I
like
to
change
that
last
sentence
to
something
to
avoid
major
construction
expenditures,
as
well
as
inform
critical
design
inputs.
E
H
Yeah
we're
going
to
work
really
hard
to
get
that
part
of
my
afternoon
is
going
to
be
spent
on
how
we
figure
out.
We
can
start
getting
folks
back
together
in
person.
We
want
to
be
thoughtful
about
it,
but
there's
so
much
more
to
do
if
we
were
together
in
person
and
the
conversations
would
be
thoughtful.
F
F
I
A
Think
there'll
be
an
opportunity,
perhaps
at
the
next
meeting,
to
do
that,
but
we
can
look
further.
I
know
after
mark-
and
I
and
the
city
team
get
the
comments
that
the
core
needs
for
the
report.
I
think
that's
when
we
were
looking
to
pivot
to
a
lot
of
the
financing
aspects
of
it
and
I
think
over
the
next
week
or
so
we're
able
to
organize
and
get
those
subcommittees,
starting
one,
one
of
which
is
the
financing.