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City of Charleston Army Corps 3x3 Advisory Committee 8/11/21
A
All
right,
I
think
we
have
at
least
eight
of
our
committee
members
on
so
I'll,
go
ahead
and
start
with
roll
call.
So
we
can
get
our
meeting
started,
move
everybody's
time
here
today,
councilman
waring.
A
A
Good
morning-
and
I
see
we
also
have
councilwoman
jackson
joining
us,
so
thank
you
for
joining
us
today.
Once
a
woman,
I
will
go
ahead
and
throw
it
over
to
the
chair
to
kick
us
off.
E
The
subject
I
know
we
a
handful
of
items
to
to
work
through,
including,
I
know,
an
update
on
on
the
timeline
as
as
was
brought
up
during
our
last
meeting.
That
update
will
come
from
mark
and
katelyn
and
then
secondly,
go
through
the
working
group
updates
and
then
thirdly,
go
through
a
little
bit
of
kind
of
open,
open
discussion
towards
the
end
of
the
of
the
meeting
as
the
third
agenda
item.
So
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
hand
it
over
to
kalyn
and
mark
to
discuss
timeline.
F
F
All
right,
so
I
just
want
to
say
that
karen
has
been
working
really
really
hard
on
trying
to
put
a
timeline
together
that
we
can
get
on
one
page.
That
takes
all
the
things
in.
Can
you
see
that
timeline?
Is
that
up
on
everybody's
screen?
Okay,
good!
So
a
couple
of
things
that
you
asked
me
to
go
and
find
out,
and
I
did
from
the
last
meeting-
one
is
the
the
way
the
army
corps
does
their
eis,
and
many
of
you
may
already
know
this.
F
F
Okay,
it
is
the
eis
will
be
embedded
into
the
into
the
draft
report
and
you'll
see
that
when
you
get
a
look
at
it
that
it's
got
many
new
sections
in
it
and
they've
really
expanded
on
a
lot
of
the
sections
dealing
with
the
things
that
the
eis
said
they
would
deal
with,
which
is
the
environment.
F
You
know
environmental
justice
and
then
the
cultural
and
the
aesthetic
mitigation
thing.
So
just
so
you
just
so
that
everybody's
aware,
when
we
get
to
the
date.
If
you
look
in
a
september
timeline,
the
draft
report
will
be
released
on
9
10.
You
will
get
the
the
the
draft
report.
The
eis
will
be
embedded
in
that
we
will
also
get
a
look
at
the
section.
F
106
programmatic
agreement
will
also
be
released
at
the
same
time
and
that's
what
kashin
has
been
sitting
as
part
of
that
group,
along
with
myself
and
folks
in
planning
you'll,
see
the
draft
programmatic
agreement,
okay,
which
is
a
very
lengthy
document
that
talks
about
how
they're
going
to
deal
with
our
historic
and
cultural
resources
throughout
the
city.
So
all
three
of
those
documents
will
be
released
on
september
10th
and
we'll
have
a
45-day
comment
period
for
the
public
for
groups
for
everybody
to
comment
on.
So
are
there
any
questions
on
that?
F
That
was
a
question
you
all
had
last
week
and
I
I
will
tell
you
that
when
I
reached
out
to
the
folks
at
the
army
and
said
this
is
a
question
they
were
apologetic
and
their
their
comment
was
we
apologize
we?
This
is
the
way
we
always
do
it.
This
is
their
policy
and
they
thought
everybody
knew
that
sometimes
they
take
it
for
granted.
So
it
was
good
that
we
learned
it
and
we
passed
it
on
before
we
actually
get
there.
So
any
questions
on
that
at
all.
The
draft
report
and
eis.
F
A
F
I
can
so
section:
106
stands
on
its
own,
but
you'll
see
documentation,
it'll
be
referenced
in
the
actual
draft
report
and
eis,
but
it
results
in
a
separate
programmatic
agreement
that
there
are
a
number
of
parties
that
sign
on
to
it
and
maybe,
if
cash,
and
if
you
want
to
help
me
out
and
talk
about
who
those
parties
are
it's
something.
We've
been
working
on
now
for
about
six
months
and
it's
gone
back
and
forth
with
a
bunch
of
lawyers
and
a
bunch
of
agencies.
F
C
Sure
so,
the
programmatic
agreement
is
something
that's
dictated
by
the
national
historic
preservation
act
and
it
determines
because
the
project
is
deemed
to
have
an
adverse
impact
to
historic
and
cultural
resources
that
the
corps
has
to
determine
how
they're
going
to
deal
with
those
impacts.
How
they're
going
to
mitigate
and
determine
a
dispute
resolution
pro
process
for
how,
when
we
have
a
disagreement
about
how
we're
dealing
with
impacts
to
historic
properties,
there
are
a
number
of
parties
involved
from
the
state
historic
preservation
office
in
the
state
to
the.
C
Oh,
my
gosh,
I'm
totally
blanking
the
advisory
council
on
historic
preservation.
Sorry
at
the
national
level,
charleston
is
involved.
The
preservation
society
is
involved.
C
They
there
are
some
tribes
involved,
they
the
so
all
of
these
groups
come
together
and
we
have
been
working
on
language
in
this
programmatic
agreement.
C
I'm
not
sure
how
the
length
of
it
it
how
what
the
length
of
it
is,
but
we
have,
I
didn't
realize
it
had
come
to
six
months
mark.
But
thanks
for
that
reminder,
but
we've
been
working
on
the
agreement
of
the
language,
I
would
say
that
we
have
been
really
focused
on
trying
to
get
the
core
to
agree
to
avoidance
of
historic
resources
as
they
as
they
look
at
alignment
and
engineering.
C
That
is
something
that
we've
tried
to
get
them
to
focus
on
in
the
preamble
of
the
document,
and
we
have
been
through
two
official
rounds
of
drafts
and
official
rounds
of
comment
periods
both
of
those
have
concluded
and
we'll
have
a
third
round
in
this
open
public
comment
period,
and
so
we,
you
know,
I'm
happy
to
be
a
resource
susan
to
you
and
to
others,
as
I'm
sure
mark
will
in
answering
questions
about
it
when
it's
when
it
becomes
publicly
available.
F
Yeah,
it's
it's
a
pretty
robust
document.
It's
it's!
It's
bound
in
law,
so
they're
they're
pretty
you
know
we
have
to
follow
the
rules
and-
and
they
have
to
follow
the
rules-
and
I
will
say
that
I
didn't
even
know
about
this
advisory
group
up
in
washington
dc,
that's
charged
with
just
making
sure
things
like
this
go
right
and
they're
a
a
pretty
well-informed
group
of
people
who
know
the
law
pretty
darn.
F
Well,
so
I
feel
pretty
comfortable
that
the
the
methods
are
in
place
to
make
sure
that
section
106
is
followed
through
because
of
those
other
groups
that
are
looking
at
it
all
the
time
and
there's
a
dispute
resolution
process
and
you'll
see
that
in
the
draft
document,
as
well
so
back
to
so
that
programmatic
agreement
will
be
there,
the
eis
will
be
available
for
review.
It'll
actually
be
part
of
the
draft
report.
F
It's
going
to
be
around
290
pages,
so
you
will
have
fun
sitting
down
to
read
that
at
night
lots
of
interesting
things
to
learn,
I
believe,
but
anyway,
that's
that's.
What
happens
on
september
10.
F
so
on
october.
26Th
is
when
the
army
corps
will
stop.
Taking
comments
on
the
draft
report
and
the
eis
and
the
programmatic
agreement,
so
there
all
three
of
those
documents
will
have
a
45-day
review
period.
The
other
thing
that's
happened
to
the
timeline
is
that
they
have
pushed
out
by
a
month
the
period
when
the
city
needs
to
give
them
a
final
answer
from
november
to
december.
F
Don't
have
a
specific
date,
but
I
noticed
on
the
last
update
from
them.
It
moved
from
november
to
december,
which
gave
us
a
little
bit
of
breathing
room
as
well.
G
Hey
mark
yeah,
hey
sorry,
winding
back
the
tape
meeting
on
september
22nd
three
by
three
meeting
with
marin's
path,
that's
the
same
as
the
14th
meeting,
but
a
narrower
attendance.
No
on
the.
H
A
That'll
be
a
committee
meeting
and
we're
going
to
have
the
mayor
and
pertinent
city
staff
in
front
of
you
all
because
we're
hoping
at
some
point
after
you
see
some
of
the
draft
report.
You'll
have
some
more
language
to
begin
to
formulate
your
recommendations
to
start
to
update
the
mayor
and
then
the
following
week,
city
council.
So
I
apologize.
I
will
update
that
when
I
send
it
out,
but
that
should
be
in
blue
because
that's
a
committee,
not
an
army
corps,.
F
I
I
have
I
have
one
com.
First
of
all,
thank
you
very
much
for
putting
this
together.
This
is
it's
really
helpful
and
the
color
coding
is.
This
just
provides
more
dimension
to
all
the
moving
pieces.
I
My
and
I'm
still
digesting
it
like
everyone
else,
but
just
one
suggestion
is
that
we
keep
this
as
a
living
document
and
add
to
it
and
refine
it
as
we
go
forward.
You
know
it's
my
sense
or
assumption
that,
after
september
10th,
it's
gonna
get
real
for
this
committee,
because
we're
gonna
actually
have
something
to
review
instead
of
speculate
about,
which
has
been
part
of
the
challenge
that
I
think
we've
encountered
in
some
of
our
discussions
so
far.
D
G
Have
a
question
all.
G
Another
question
I
I'm
still
sort
of
foggy
on
the
level
the
intensity
of
commitment
in
december
relative,
the
to
the
city's
buy-in.
That's
a
financial
obligation,
it's
a
the
equivalent
of
a
verbal
letter
of
intent.
I
mean
what
constant
what
is
the
the
anchoring
of
that
it
financially
obligates
us
right.
F
No,
what
it
says:
it's
called
a
financial
letter
of
capability,
so
we
are
saying
that
we
have
the
capability
to
pay
for
it
now
it
by
you
know.
I
want
to
be
clear.
I
want
to
be
totally
transparent
by
signing
that
the
city
is
saying
we
have
the
capability.
Obviously
we're
also
going
to
sign
another
letter
that
says
we
support
the
plan.
F
Okay,
because,
before
army
corps,
leadership
is
going
to
sign
off
on
a
billion
dollar
plus
commitment
they're
going
to
want
to
make
sure
the
non-federal
sponsor
one
either
supports
the
plan
or
doesn't
if
they
don't
it's
an
easy
review.
Okay,
no
reason
to
proceed
and
two:
if
we
don't
have
the
financial
capability,
then
why
proceed?
Okay.
G
Yeah
mark
and
kalen,
if
it
can
be,
maybe
we
put
it
in
bold
but
where
the
exograms
are,
where
the
financial
obligation
gets
real
in
concrete
that'd
be
useful.
You
know
up
to
that
point.
Maybe
you
know
it's
an
easier
departure.
If
that
is
the
avenue
chosen,
so
when
would
we
do?
We
have
a
date
for
when
the
city
council
or
whoever
the
powers
that
be
obligates
us
financially
to
this
project.
F
If
so,
if
the
army
corps
were
able
to
get
federal
funding
in
their
2022
work
plan
to
begin
to
put
their
contracts
in
place
to
set
up
the
preliminary
engineering
and
design
phase,
that
would
be
the
contracts
that
outline
how
that
phase
would
work.
That
would
be
the
first
time
the
city
would
be
asked
to
contribute
money,
and
that
would
be
around
150
000.
G
E
Yeah,
hey,
hey,
bob
and
mark,
I
think
the
the
quick
clarification
here,
and
I
think
that
the
cores
brought
this
up
just
to
help
frame
this.
This
discussion,
a
little
bit
is
that
the
financial
obligation
is
isn't
like
we're
not
financially
obligated
until
like
for
the
entire
amount
until
construction
begins.
On
the
last
phase
of
it,
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
it's
a
scope
by
scope
contribution.
G
F
F
So
they,
each
year
before
they
go
the
big
money,
and
I
think
that's
what
you're
asking
for
bob
the
big
money
would
be
for
peds
certainly
will
be
a
good
chunk
of
change,
but
then,
once
you
get
through
bed
and
everybody
has
a
design,
then
the
construction,
once
you
start
construction
and
those
construction
contracts
are
laid
out.
We
are
obligated
for
that
particular
phase.
J
So,
actually,
I
think
bob
brings
up
a
great
question
and
inquiry.
It
might
be
helpful.
This
timeline
is
is
fantastic,
and
I
appreciate
you
and
katelyn
working
on
this.
It
might
be
good
to
incorporate
these
commitments,
whether
it
be
part
of
cash
flow
like
it
would
be
good
to
see
them
both
right,
like,
in
other
words,
here's
how
much
we
have
to
spend
and
then
here's
how
much
we're
committing
now.
J
I
will
say
this
as
far
as
financial
capability,
I
mean
that's
just
a
statement
I
mean
I
could
tell
everyone
on
this
call
today
that
I
have
the
financial
capability
to
buy
the
plaza
in
new
york.
But
when
chickens
come
home
to
roost,
then
ultimately,
either
I
can
pay
her.
I
can't
like
to
me
proving
financial
capability
through
due
diligence
is
to
say
we
have
the
capability
and
here's
where
the
money's
coming
from
and
here's
how
it's
committed.
J
So
I
get
a
little
bit
concerned
about
the
statement
of
financial
capability
because
it's
got
to
have
substance
behind
it,
so
that
that's
an
interesting
concept
but
having
that
cash
flow
in
here,
because
my
guess
would
be
if
what
I'm
hearing
correctly
based
on
the
phase
ability
of
this
is,
we
might
have
the
financial
capability
to
handle
certain
pieces
of
this,
but
then
they
could
wind
up
designing
the
whole
thing
and
we
could
be
contributing
money
to
that
effort
and
then,
when
it
comes
time
to
implement,
we
may
say
now
we
don't
have
the
money
for
that
and
we've
just
spent
money
on
design.
J
We
could
spend
money
on
design.
Do
one
phase
of
this
and
then
not
have
money
for
the
next
phase.
In
which
case
then
we've
got
an
incomplete
project.
So
I
think
it'll
be
good
to
see
that
laid
out
like
bob
was
saying
that
we
can
kind
of
see
okay.
What
are
we
committing
to
and
then
at
what
point
in
time?
Do
we
have
some
cost
into
this
effort
because
there's
no
guarantee?
J
G
G
F
F
We
don't
and
we
have
the
financial
capability
we're
done,
but
as
we
looked
at
and
for
those
of
you
I
mean
danny,
you
probably
know
this
better
than
me
when
you
start
laying
contracts
out,
everything
goes
in
phases.
These
are
big
chunks
of
money
that
will
be
laid
out
over
multiple
years.
F
It
it
here's
the
thing:
if
there
was
a
gigantic
storm
that
came
and
tore
up
charleston,
we
would
probably
get
full
federal
funding
immediately
for
this.
If
we
had
a
project.
Okay,
that's
historically,
what's
happened
in
the
past.
If
you've
got
a
project,
that's
signed
or
you
may
get
partial
federal
funding
if
you've
got
a
project
and
it
gets
going
and
they're
going
to
fund
it
immediately
in
full.
F
That's
all
ifs
right,
there's
a
lot
of
ifs.
What
we
do
know
is
that
the
way
these
things
are
worked
and
we're
watching
it
unfold
in
norfolk.
Today
is
it's:
let's
get
through
this
phase.
We
get
to
a
ped
phase
where
everybody
is
comfortable
now,
should
we
go
forward
and
ask
for
construction
funding
congress
authorizes
so
much
construction
funding
city?
Do
you
have
the
match
to
go
forward
with
this?
Yes,
we
do.
F
I
think
what
we've
learned
through
this
process
is
that
if
you
start
phase
one
you've
gotta
finish
phase
one
you
have
to,
we
would
be
crazy
not
to
start
each
of
these
phases
can
stand
on
their
own
because
we're
fortunate
we've
got
a
city
with
a
11
12
foot
high
arch
in
the
middle
of
it
that
keeps
the
water
from
moving
from
one
side
of
the
peninsula
to
the
other.
So
you
can
do
phase
one.
It
can
stand
on
its
own
phase,
two
we're
pretty
much
doing
now.
F
We
gotta
raise
it,
but
then
phase
three
would
again
stand
on
its
own
without
and
then
phase
four
will
be.
The
last
phase
so
specifically
put
together
that
way.
Yes,
laura
you
haven't
spoken
yet.
I
I
J
Is
that
my
understanding
was
we
couldn't
just
piecemeal
this
in
phases?
My
understanding
was,
we.
It
needs
to
be
constructed
that
way,
but
that
it's
only
effective
if
we
complete
all
the
phases
and
create
the
overall
barrier.
So
now
I'm
hearing,
no,
we
could
isolate
areas
and
just
do
a
perimeter
protection
wall
in
certain
areas.
F
F
Likewise,
if
you
did
phase
three,
it
would
take
water
that
you
know
the
height
of
the
peninsula
meeting
in
king
street.
That's
our
high
supply,
so
the
phases
kind
of
stand
on
their
own
in
that
respect.
So
when
you
do
phase
one,
you
provided
protection
for
the
west
side
of
the
peninsula.
The
medical
district
wrapped
around
west
edge
to
the
gym
that
area
is
protected.
F
J
J
F
It
would
flood
phase
three,
which
is
the
east
side,
because
you
don't
have
any
protection
there.
The
water
would
come
in.
Just
like
the
mayor
was
saying
yesterday.
It
would,
he
saw
a
climb
up.
Calhoun
street,
go
all
the
way
up
to
meeting
street.
Now,
I'm
not
telling
you
if
a
tsunami
came
that
wouldn't
go
up
an
over
meeting.
H
F
Yeah
there
is
not
a
document
that
I'm
aware
of
that
puts
the
city
that
says
we
can
pay
for
this
whole
thing
guarantee.
This
is
we
have
the
financial
capability,
but
it
does
not
sign
us
up
to
pay
for
that.
In
fact,
and
again,
I'll
pull
the
army
back
to
answer
this
question,
but
I've
asked
him
this
many
times.
There
are
many
of
these
projects
around
the
country
where
the
non-federal
sponsor
has
just
not
had
the
money
to
proceed.
So
they
haven't
gone
to
congress
and
asked
for
the
next
batch
of
money.
G
F
F
That's
the
first
ask,
then
they
will
go
forward
and
ask
for
construction
for
the
first
phase
of
the
contract.
The
project
will
be
approved
as
a
total
project
in
as
a
project
approval.
The
project
approval
does
not
mean
that
congress
has
authorized
the
money.
It
means
that
the
army
has
said
we
support
the
project
and
we've
signed
off
on
it.
I
I
I
think
it's
going
to
be
really.
This
is
a
very
helpful
discussion
and
puts
into
high
relief
for
me
how
important
it
is
to
be
really
clear
about
these
distinctions
and
what
the
city
is
going
to
be
asked
to
do
and
when
and
I
and
I
understand,
phasing
phases
and
paying
for
them
in
in
those
phases
but
to
dan's
point
about
making
a
commitment
and
initial
investments.
If
you
aren't
prepared
to
invest
all
the
way
through
and
buy
the
whole
casino,
then
you've
wasted
your
money.
I
F
F
Can
I
can
I
just
clear
up
on
a
couple
of
things,
though?
First
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
two
things:
one,
the
the
commitment
date
for
city
council
will
be
december.
Okay,
it's
not
september.
It's
now
december.
It
was
november,
it's
moved
to
december,
okay,
so
that
date
is
clear.
That
should
be
december.
F
The
second
thing
is:
if
you
build
phase
one
and
you
ran
out
of
money,
let's
say
you've
not
wasted
your
money
phase.
One
will
still
protect
the
west
side
of
the
peninsula.
Just
like
we
just
spent
60
million
dollars,
we're
spending
60
million
dollars
to
rebuild
the
battery
to
protect
phase
two,
it's
the
same
concept.
The
problem
with
phase
two
is
on
its
own.
You
can
get
wrap
around
because
it
doesn't
reach
12
feet
on
either
side,
okay.
So
that
is
a
distinction,
and
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
both
of
those
susan.
D
Yeah
hi
from
a
communications
standpoint.
D
This
whole
discussion
would
be
really
difficult
to
explain
to
the
public,
and
I
you
know
I
could
sit
down
and
try
to
write
something
that
would
explain
it,
but
it's
really
a
little
obtuse
to
most
people.
I,
I
would
guess
it's
hard
for
the
bunch
of
us
to
figure
out
even
after
20
minutes
of
discussion,
you
can
imagine
what
john
doe
is
thinking
in
his
living
room.
D
So
that's
first
of
all,
and
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
how
to
present
this
on
paper,
first
of
all
and
then
further,
so
that
the
people
who
eventually
are
going
to
pay
for
this
understand
or
may
pay
for
this
understand
what
they
might
be
getting
into
whenever
they
get
into
it.
I
D
D
And
secondly,
you
know,
after
the
army
presented
its
feasibility
plan
in
eight
last
april.
There
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
how
they
wanted
commentary
from
the
public
and
500
people
answered
and
wrote
things
and
presented
things
and
so
forth,
and
we
didn't
really
get
a
good
sense
of
that.
The
newspaper
did
some
work,
and
that
was
good,
but
now
we're
going
to
face
another
45-day
public
hearing
period,
which
may
or
may
not
be
again
overshadowed
by
kovid.
D
How
do
we
know
what
the
impact
of
people's
commentary
is
on
what
is
presumed
to
be
an
ongoing
final
product?
What's
what's
the
impact
of
what
we
think
at
that
point
that
we
express
to
the
army?
Are
they
going
to
come
back
and
say
sorry,
we're
not
doing
that
or
yeah?
We
think.
That's
a
good
point:
we'll
revise
something:
what's
the
interactive
relationship
between
this
concept
of
community
engagement
and
the
way
the
army
corps
does
its
work.
A
F
I'm
gonna
get
them
to
answer
that
question.
Okay,
because
I
know
they.
I
can
tell
you
what
they've
done,
but
you
guys
are
probably
tired
of
hearing
me
talk
about
it,
but
I
can
tell
you
they.
All
450
of
those
comments
were
reviewed
and
they
actually
had
to
report
on
every
one
of
them.
So
I
will
but
I'll.
Let
them
tell
you
that
I'll
get
them
back
to
talk
about
what
that
process
is
going
to
look
like.
F
F
F
A
F
All
right,
if
we
can
get
him
back,
we'll
we'll
do
that
right
now
he
can't
tell
but
dale's
listening
in
as
well.
Okay,
miss
if
there's
any
other
questions
on
the
timeline,
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
them,
send
cards
and
letters,
and
let
us
know
how
we
can
further
improve
this
and
we'll
be
happy
to
do
that,
and
I
will
try.
Oh
there's
your
dale.
I
think
you
can
talk
now
right.
There.
B
Yeah,
I
yes
there's
it's
tricky,
so
sorry,
everyone
I'm
on
I'm
driving
in
virginia
back
to
northern
virginia
and
I've
been
listening
to
the
call.
I
just
wanted
to
there's
a
there's,
a
demand,
I
sense
and
a
legitimate
demand
for
hard
deadlines
about
who's
funding.
What
when
and
I
want
to
share
with
you,
you
know
I
worked
on
budget
issues
in
congress
for
a
long
time.
B
The
army
corps
wants
a
commitment.
A
general
commitment,
omb
via
the
army
corps,
wants
a
general
commitment
from
the
city
that
it's
gonna
tony
up
its
share
of
the
money
to
go
forward,
and
once
they
have
that
confidence,
they
will
request
in
the
president's
budget
x,
number
of
dollars
for
phase
one
authorization,
okay
for
ped
and
for
con,
and
maybe
for
construction.
B
That
is
a
determination
that
the
office
of
management
and
budget
in
the
white
house
will
make
at
the
moment
the
decision
needs
to
be
made
and
they
will
submit
that
to
congress
and
congress
will
decide
what
they
want
to
do
with
it,
and
congress
could
just
flat
out,
ignore
it
and
not
authorize
it
right.
They
could
just
say
we're
not
going
to
do
this
and
sorry
wait
till
next
year
and
even
though
omb
pushes
hard,
the
white
house
pushes
hard
on
congress
to
fund
phase
one
to
authorize
the
appropriation
of
money
for
phase
one.
B
Whatever
congress
decides
to
do,
it
will
do
and
in
fact
congress
can
take
that
request
and
tell
or
write
the
legislation
to
say
you
know
we're
going
to
authorize
phase
one
and
phase
two.
B
So
congress
is
in
control
here,
but
you
have
to
clear
the
first
hurdle
with
usa,
with
army
corps
and
omb
right
and
the
other
way
around
the
white
house,
or
we
may
not
may
never
request
money
for
this
for
this
project,
because
there
are
other
political
demands
here
that
they
want
to
fund
elsewhere,
maybe
not
in
charleston,
but
maybe
in
houston.
They
may
not
request
money
but
congress.
B
The
authorizing
committee
can
say
you
know
what
we
are
going
to
request:
authorization,
money
for
phase
one
and
phase
two
or
just
phase
one
in
charleston
and
write
that
in
the
law
and
then
the
white
house
in
its
negotiation
process
is
gonna
say:
do
we
accept
that
or
not
right
and
those
numbers
have
to
fit
in
with
what's
called
the
budget
resolution
which
divides
up
money
in
the
federal
budget
by
category
I'm
getting
real
technical?
What
I
want
to
show
is:
there's
the
demand.
Exactness
of
you
know
who's
going
to
fund
what,
when
that's?
B
You
have
to
get
appropriation
money
every
year,
so
congress
appropriates
money
every
year
in
its
appropriations
bill
and
the
army
of
corps
of
engineers
is
funded
on.
B
What's
called
the
energy
and
water
appropriations
bill,
which
is
one
of
the
subcommittees
in
the
house
on
appropriate
house
and
senate
appropriations,
the
the
project
may
be
authorized
at,
let's
just
say,
100
million
dollars
in
in
any
given
year
or
50
million
dollars,
and
congress
may
decide
to
give
it
only
35
million
votes
to
get
to
appropriate,
only
35
million
dollars,
and
then
the
army
corps
of
engineers
and
the
project,
designers
and
and
the
construction
folks.
If
you're
in
construction,
they
need
to
figure
out.
Oh,
we
were
expecting
50,
but
we're
only
getting
35.
B
What
does
that
do
to
our
schedule?
So
this
is
a
very
sloppy
and
dynamic
process
so,
to
you
know,
vis-a-vis
what
congress
is
going
to
do
and
how
they
give
the
money
and
then
what
the
city's
obligations
are
going
to
be
to
meet
its
one-third
commitment
to
funding
in
any
phase
or
any
given
year.
So
this
is
dynamic
and-
and
I'm
sorry
to
say
it's
sloppy
so
to
to
hunt
for
exactness
or
certitude.
Here
is
that's,
that's
not
going
to
happen.
I
think
we
just
should
understand.
B
You
know
how
that
works,
and
then
mark
pointed
out
to
this
pointed
this
out,
and
this
is
this
is
something
that
I
think
we
should
all
pay
attention
to.
If
there
is
a
hurricane
that
strikes
the
southeast
coast
and
gets
charleston
and
myrtle
beach
or
whatever
congress
will
in
its
spasm
of
we're
going
to
do
something.
B
B
That's
going
to
make
it
difficult
to
get
the
certitude
that
you're
seeking,
and
so
my
advice
is
to
not
promise
anyone
any
certitude
here,
because
congress
is
going
to
do
what
it
does
and
we're
in
we're
in
an
environment
now
politically,
where
we
want
to
spend
money
on
infrastructure
and
in
five
years
from
now.
That
could
change
very
quickly
and
the
money
for
the
army
corps
could
dry
up
so
be
aware
that
that
dynamic
is
at
play
here,
no
matter
what
the
city
is
trying
to
control
and
get
its
handle
on
this
federal
entity.
G
Very
very
sorry
to
interrupt,
but
very,
very
helpful
in
prior
discussions,
though
there
was
a
thread,
I
think
there's
recognition
that
we're
going
to
be
running
a
gauntlet
here
and
a
lot
of
you
know
a
lot
of
vagaries
in
the
process.
I
think
we
get
that
one
of
the
themes
of
past
discussions
is
and
to
susan's
point:
how
do
we
communicate
to
the
citizenry
the
ultimate
viability
of
us,
attaching
our
cart
to
this
big
horse.
G
B
Right
again,
so
I
think
once
the
city,
that's
a
very
good
question,
and
and
my
once
the
city
commits
itself
that
it
wants
to
move
forward
with
with
phase
one
of
ped.
B
There's
an
assumption
here
that
they're
gonna
they're
not
gonna,
stop
there
right,
I
mean
the
city
can
pull
back
and
say
we're
not
gonna
fund
phase.
Two-
and
you
know
we'll
stop
here,
but
once
you
start
to
spend
that
money
you're
committing
yourself
like
this
is
something
we
need
to
do.
This
surge
risk
that
the
army
corps
of
engineers
in
the
city
are
trying
to
mitigate
through
this
investment.
Through
this.
You
know
this.
This
planning
design
engineering,
construction
phase,
it's
essential.
We
need
that.
We
need
to
do
that.
B
So
that's
the
sort
of
the
moral
persuasive,
a
commitment,
it's
we're
going
to
mitigate
this
risk
and
then,
of
course,
how
that
risk
gets
mitigated
and
how
it
integrates
with
the
city
fabric-
and
it's
you
know
cultural
and
aesthetic
and
other
fabrics.
That's
that's
going
to
be
crucial
in
the
design
phase,
but,
yes,
we
need
to
deal
with
this.
B
We
need
to
mitigate
this
surge
risk
and
we're
going
to
go
down
this
road
with
the
army
corps
because
they're,
the
only
ones
who
can
who
can
do
it
and
they're
willing
to
pay
two
thirds
of
the
bill.
So
I
think
that's.
What's
that's
what
needs
to
be
communicated
whether
you
know
we
know
these
things,
that
dan
knows
this.
You
have
a
you
have
and
anyone
who's
dealt
with
with
capital
infrastructure
projects.
B
There
are
delays
that
are
going
to
come
up
and
sometimes
they're
administrative
and
sometimes
their
physical
situations
or
something
they're,
political
or
whatever
financial
situations
that
is
going
to
occur
too.
So
we
we
should
never
communicate,
and
I
say
we
because
I
consider
myself
part
of
this.
You
know
informally
part
of
this
team
right
now.
We
should
never
communicate
any
level
of
like
okay,
it's
going
to
be
done
in
20
yeah,
it's
going
to
be
done
in
you
know,
2026
phase
one.
B
We
should
not
do
that
because
there
are
so
many
variables
here
that
goes
along
with
you
know,
planning
engineering,
design
and
construction
and
then
throw
the
political
and
the
federal
financial
on
top
of
it.
You
know
it's
tricky
so,
but
we're
making
the
commitment
that
we
understand
the
surge
risk.
B
We
agree
that
the
surgeries
need
to
be
mitigated
that
this
structure
right
now
is
the
best
way
we
can
mitigate
that
surge
risk
and
we're
going
to
move
forward
in
a
sort
of
coherent
but
adaptive
process
with
the
army
corps
to
mitigate
the
surge
risk
and
make
sure
this
money
is
spent.
B
So
this
is
a
complex
thing
and
it's
not
going
to
be
easy
to
communicate.
But
it's
going
to
take
constant.
B
It's
going
to
take
constant
communication
with
republican
engagement
by
by
many
of
us
to
share
this
with
the
public,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
it's
going
to
be
on
it's
going
to
be
on
the
you
know,
the
leaders
to
say
this
is
what
we
want
to
do,
or
this
is
what
we
not.
We
don't
want
to
do.
B
We're
willing
to
we're
willing
to
accept
this
level
of
surge
risk
without
any
mitigation
against
it,
because
we
have
other
priorities
right
that
that's
a
decision,
that's
a
political
decision
by
council
and
the
mayor
that
you
know.
That's!
That's!
That's
beyond
all
of
our
pay
grades.
I
think
so.
H
I
do
thank
you.
I
certainly
appreciate
everything
that
dale
had
to
say
in
particular
explaining
the
minutia
the
process
in
washington,
but
we've
had
large
infrastructure
projects
before
that
we've
done,
and
I
would
go
to
the
ravenel
bridge
being
the
largest
to
date
and
we
had
dates
and
we
had
targets
and
we
had
financial
strategies
to
accumulate
the
local
match.
H
We've
done
this
before
in
this
region,
the
the
match
for
the
ravenel
bridge
initially
was
going
to
be
a
property
that
tax
increase
on
every
property
owner.
It
eventually
marked
into
the
first
half
cent
sales
tax,
that's
what
that's
where
the
local
match
came
from
and
that
momentum
was
built
in
the
community.
H
The
chamber
actually
raised
the
money
for
all
the
billboards
and
the
ad
to
build
the
to
put
that
information
susan
out
in
the
community
as
to
why
we
needed
to
do
this.
Okay,
you
say:
okay,
keith,
that's
just
a
flyer!
That's
just
wanting
that.
One
example
tell
me
another
one:
when
mayor
raleigh
and
steve
bedard
and
council
put
together
the
financing
strategy
for
the
september
clock
spring.
Fishburn
150
million
dollar
drainage
project
that
we
have
seen
right
before
our
eyes
unfold.
H
There
was
a
financing
strategy
put
together
at
the
time.
The
state
infrastructure
bank,
mayor,
raleigh
and
council
and
team
went
to
colombia
and
got
88
million
dollars.
For
that,
then
there
was
a
10
million
dollar,
I
believe,
grant
for
beautification.
That's
the
first
thing
that
was
done.
That
came
from
the
federal
government
and
then
the
city
called
together,
stormwater
funding,
as
well
as
monies
from
a
tif
district,
believe
it
or
not
from
the
gear
yard,
and
all
of
that,
so
that's
where
our
local
match
came
from
dates
were
put
out
in
the
future.
H
When
this
project
was
completed
would
be
completed
and
guess
what
those
dates
have
been
expanded
and
pushed
back,
and
the
original
154
million
dollar
project
is
now
a
200
million
dollar
project
cost
overrun
came
mike
is
on
this
call.
He
got
gray
hair
just
like
me
trying
to
find
out
along
with
the
mayor.
Where
are
we
going
to
get
additional
funding
for
that?
So
what
susan
is
asking
for?
H
And
what
bob
is
asking
for
you're
right
to
feel
like
it's
fuzzy
because
we've
been
kicking,
this
can
down
the
road
and
I
don't
think
it's
unfair
for
the
committee
to
say
where's
the
city
portion
coming
from.
Where
is
that
financial
strategy,
and
I
would
like
to
know
that
also
so
to
kick
it
down
to
december
we're
about
to.
I
think
it's
thursday
we've
got
a
first
budget
ad
hoc
committee
meeting
michael
b
on
that
mayor
beyond
that
numbers,
that's
to
put
together
the
city
budget.
H
Where
is
that
process
for
this?
How
long
has
this
committee
been
meeting?
I
don't
know
a
year
or
more
okay,
that
that
that
should
not
be
that's
something
that
should
be
coming
together.
Not
to
wait
on
december
to
find
out
is
council
going
to
support
this
or
not,
if
there's
a
viable
way
to
fund
this
600
to
650,
and
you
know
two
meetings
ago:
maybe
700
million
dollar
match.
We
can't
wait
till
december
to
say,
because
it's
going
it's
going
to
be
the
cobbling
together
of
funding
from
a
number
of
sources.
H
So
I
think,
as
I
think
the
committee
needs
that
needs
to
be
part
of
this
process,
that
financial
strategy
for
the
local
match,
because
the
worst
thing
that
could
happen
after
dale
just
explained-
I
referred
to
as
the
minutiae
of
federal
funding
and
that's
it's
kind
of
like
making
sausage
he's
right
for
us
not
to
have
our
local
match
would
be
a
travesty
and
for
us
not
to
know
at
least
where
we're
going
to
build
the
momentum
to
communicate
to
the
public
at
large.
This
is
how
we
can
do
it.
H
We
can't
wait
for
december
on
that.
I
think
that
should
already
been
being
worked
on
frankly,
and
I
can
say
for
one
as
of
august:
what's
the
day,
11
2021,
I
have
not
been
involved
with
a
strategy
to
help
cobble
together
the
city's
match
and
to
make
this
become
a
reality.
I
have
not
been
involved
with
a
strategy
to
communicate
to
market
that
idea
to
city
residents
of
the
region.
H
This
is
why
we
need
to
do
this
to
protect
the
peninsula
and
beyond,
so
to
speak,
so
I
can
unequivocally
say
I
have
not
been
involved,
not
because
I
could
be
the
odd
person
out
there.
Maybe
a
consensus
working
on
that,
but
and
I'd
be
happy
to
be
wrong
on
that.
I
would
say
this.
I
don't
know
of
an
effort
where
any
city
in
the
state
of
south
carolina
has
put
together
a
local
funding
strategy
for
a
municipality
to
the
tune
of
600
to
700
million
dollars.
H
I'm
not
saying
that
can't
be
done,
I'm
saying
it
can
be
done,
but
you're
not
going
to
do
it
kicking
the
can
down
the
road
and
winging
it.
So
I
throw
that
out
because
that's
I
think
it's
unfair
to
all
the
good
work.
That's
been
done
on
this
committee
that
when
it
comes
to
simple
you
know
somebody
walks
up
and
says
you
know
the
emperor
have
any
clothes
on
and
we
who
are
stakeholders
remain
quiet
on
that.
I
think
it's
a
travesty
to
do
that
to
you
all.
H
So
if
we're
not,
you
know
if
you're
going
to
build
a
building,
you
got
to
have
a
blueprint
you're
going
to
pay
for
something
and
to
pay
for
that
building.
You
have
to
have
a
financial
strategy.
That's
going
to
bank
and
you've
got
to
put
together
some
equity
yourself,
etc.
H
I
have
not
been
a
part
of
that
process
now,
mike
can,
if
he
she
is,
if
he's
still
in
the
call
he
can
share.
Whether
he's
been
a
part
of
that,
and
if
he's
not
been
a
part
of
that,
then
I
think
it's
incumbent
upon
stakeholders
and
you
all
everybody
on
this
call-
is
a
stakeholder
in
this
process.
H
E
Council
we're
wearing
this.
Oh
sorry,
because
that's
a
great
segue
and
and
appreciate
that
commentary,
and
I
would
love
to
have
you
on
the
the
funding
working
group
and
and
council
member
seekings
as
well
to
kind
of
talk
through
that.
But
but.
H
E
A
great
segue,
I
know
we're
kind
of
getting
short
on
time
and
into
our
funding
working
group
update
so
cash.
If
you
wouldn't
mind,
it
was
kind
of
a
dovetail
on
the
councilman
waring's
comments.
Providing
that
update.
C
Sure-
and
I
would
echo
those
comments
we
would
of
the
chairman-
we
would
love
to
have
you
councilman,
waring
and
seeking
seekings.
We
would
love
to
have
you
all
join
our
next
funding
working
group
meeting.
We
have
been
emailing
this
week
with
looking
for
a
couple
of
common
dates
to
get
amy,
wharton
or
her
delegate
to
to
come
and
meet
with
our
group.
We
meet
virtually
as
well.
C
C
C
As
I
mentioned,
we
still
want
to
talk
to
the
city
cfo
and
are
working
through
mark
and
kayla
to
arrange
that
to
talk
about
some,
maybe
some
special
taxing
districts
like
a
municipal
improvement,
district
and
others,
but
as
councilman
leary
alluded
to
the
city's,
got
to
fill
these
funding
gaps
with
potential
partners
at
the
city
or
excuse
me
at
the
county
and
through
the
state,
and
it
just
highlights
what
we've
talked
about
before-
that
the
city's
really
got
to
engage
in
some
conversations
to
talk
about
this
project
as
having
you
know,
a
statewide
impact
with
statewide
implications
on
our
on
our
tourism
economy,
on
the
medical
district,
etc.
C
C
We
also
talked
about
maybe
engaging
with
the
municipal
association
of
south
carolina
to
talk
about
potential
other
funding
solutions
that
might
exist
that
that
state
law
might
enable
that
we
haven't
thought
of
so
we
you
know
we
still
have
some
work
to
do
and
some
unanswered
questions,
and
so
we
did
have
a
question
to
pose.
Maybe
to
mark
and
kalyn,
possibly
to
the
chairman
about.
C
C
C
When
we
haven't
seen
the
full
report
from
the
corps.
That's
not
due,
of
course,
until
the
10th
of
september.
We
don't
have
a
price
tag
for
the
project
and
we're
just
not
prepared
to
make
any
recommendations
on
funding
just
yet
we
have
we.
Our
funding
working
group
has
a
lot
of
work
remaining
yet
to
do,
and
so
that
that
would
conclude
our
report.
C
And
I'm
happy
to
to
defer
to
members
of
my
working
group
if
they
have
any
supplemental
information
that
I
may
have
passed
over.
E
That
thanks
cash,
I
mean-
and
this
is
just
a.
E
Up
on
a
last
topic
and
mark
and
keelan
can
speak
further
to
that,
I
think
I
think
everybody's
in
agreement
there
on
the
time
frame,
specifically
given
that
and
sorry
particularly
given
that
the
release
of
the
poor
report
on
september
10th
and
so
anyway.
I
think
that
those
dates
were
modified
on
the
and
you
know
in
conjunction
with
everything
being
pushed
back
for
that
comment
comment
earlier
from
from
mark
and
kale
and
so
anyway.
G
Sorry,
I
I've
shared
both
of
these
comments
with
cash,
and
I
apologize
maybe
not
to
the
rest
of
the
group,
but
two
points.
I
think
the
scope
of
the
group.
I
think
our
mandate
should
be
receiving
information,
not
generating
a
strategy
for
the
city.
It
seems
a
little
ass
backwards.
G
We
should
be
getting
informed
by
the
city
what
the
strategy
is
to
fund
this
project,
not
the
other
way
around.
That's
point
one
as
a
corollary
to
that,
having
a
discussion
having
a
presentation
from
amy,
I
think,
is
essential.
G
The
notion
that
it
would
be
her
delegate,
I
think,
is
totally
unacceptable.
I
mean
this
is
the
cfo
of
the
city,
probably
the
biggest
project
that
we'll
see
that
the
cfo
will
see
in
our
careers.
G
This
we
shouldn't
be
having
a
tough
time
pursuing
this
information.
What
is
it
to
councilman's
waring's
point:
hey
we're
sure,
late
in
the
game.
Now
we're
talking
about
counseling,
the
public
via
a
referendum
event
or
whatever,
to
support
this
big
big
project.
G
F
J
Mark,
if
I
could
follow
up,
I
mean
first
of
all
cash
and
great
job
on
the
summary
of
our
working
group,
and
I
thank
you
tremendously
for
fearing
that
subcommittee.
I
would
strongly
suggest,
based
on
councilman
waring's
comments.
You
know
when
we
do
have
the
ability
to
have
amy
speak
with
us.
It
would
be
good
to
invite
councilman,
waring
and
councilman
seeking,
because
I
think
it
would
be
good.
We're
very
excited
to
hear
amy's
insights
and
I
agree
with
mark,
I
think
amy
is
extremely
responsive.
J
I
also
know
that
she
has
a
lot
on
her
plate,
but
it's
going
to
be
very
important
because
the
more
I
hear
about
the
funding
issue
and-
and
I
think
dale
did
a
great
job
outlining
more
of
the
uncertainties
that
we
would
face
and
as
part
of
the
due
diligence
we're
doing,
is
to
try
and
eliminate
unknowns
and
uncertainties,
and
I
think
that
hopefully
amy
can
shed
some
light
on
that.
So
hopefully
we
can
get
councilman
waring
to
to
join
us
if
possible.
H
Cash
in
great
report,
but
cashion
knows
right
now,
just
as
several
of
us
on
this
call
knows,
we
thought
I
know
I
mentioned
it
about
a
month
ago.
Maybe
it
lasted
another
month
about
the
monies
in
in
columbia,
right
two
and
a
half
billion.
Well,
you
know,
I
think
it
was
in
the
paper.
Last
week,
they're
gonna
receive
that
money
in
two
parts:
a
billion
this
year
and
they're
going
to
divide
those
monies
up
in
september
and
that
billion,
as
I
understand
it
and
cashing.
Please
help
me
out.
H
If
you
heard
this
similar
thing,
the
first
billion
is
going
to
be
divided.
H
This
way
water
project,
sewer,
project
and
broadband,
and
then
next
year
they
they're
going
to
get
a
billion
and
a
half
dollars,
and
then
all
the
from
a
to
z
projects
will
get
in
now,
somewhere
between
now
and
september,
that
billion
is
going
to
be
divided
up
across
the
state
of
south
carolina.
H
I
don't
know
if
the
city
is
asking
for
a
slice
of
that.
I
know
you
say
well,
that's
this
is
drainage.
This
is
a
hybrid.
This
is
also
a
water
project.
It's
not
a
drinking
water,
but
it's
definitely
a
water
project.
Are
we
in
line
even
asking
for
a
portion
of
that
billion?
You
know
100
million
50
million
75
million
to
go
towards
the
possible
first
phase
or
second
phase
of
building
this
this
wall.
H
H
But
if
we
don't
ask
for
some
money-
and
I
mean
pretty
soon-
that
first
billion
it's
gonna
get
and
to
say
that
you
got
a
billion
dollars
that
can
be
transformative
and
we're
not
going
to
even
put
a
hand
out
to
say
we
got
a
legitimate
project
here
that
deserves
some
of
this
funding
and
you're
right,
cashier,
those
local
auction
sales,
taxes
that
that
we
collect
here
that
goes
to
the
state
and
they
send
part
back
hospitality,
taxes,
accommodation,
sales,
tax,
the
whole
state
benefits
from
that
should
charleston
get
devastated,
yeah
or
swamped
believing
that
revenue
source
will
not
only
hurt
charleston.
H
It
will
hurt
the
state
of
south
carolina
as
well,
because
tourism
is
the
number
one
income
producer
to
the
state
of
south
carolina,
followed
by
income
from
the
state
ports
authority
and
then
the
third
area
government
dollars.
You
know
like
fort
jackson
and
you
know
various
bases
throughout
the
state
of
south
carolina,
so
there's
a
financial
argument
for
part
of
that
billion
dollars.
That's
going
to
be
divided
up,
basically
in
the
next
30
days,
do
we
have
a
request,
cash
and
bob
susan
dan?
F
H
Need
to
get
to,
but
I'll
tell
you
what
I'm
familiar
with
other
projects
I
isn't
signed
and
approved.
Yet
it's
getting
in
line
to
get
get
money
for
that.
So
I
I
have
definition
about
signing.
H
I
know
other
projects,
that's
asking
for
more
money
than
50
that
at
least
stay
online.
I
don't
know
whether
they're
going
to
get
funded.
We
probably
played
by
the
rules
right.
C
F
C
F
C
We
need
to
you
know,
that's
something!
That's
been
that
our
dialogues,
it's
in
you
know,
I
think
it's
in
the
city
plan,
it's
something
that
we
definitely
need
to.
Even
if
we
don't
do
this
project,
it's
something
that
we
need
for
the
entire
city
as
we
evaluate
other
flood
mitigation
strategies.
So
it's
not
in
there
it's
something
that
we
need
to
get
columbia,
work.
F
A
E
All
right
well,
thank
you
all,
so
I
I
think
next
go
to
go
to
susan
lyons.
With
regards
to
the
eis
working
group.
I'm
sorry
geez,
I'm
laura
cantrell
with
with
regards
to
the
is
working
group,
but.
I
Thank
you.
The
eis
working
group
met
last
week
and
we
had
a
good
discussion.
Three
points
that
I'll
report
out
on
and
I'll
then
invite
other
members
of
that
working
group
to
add
to
or
correct
anything
that
I
got
wrong.
I
We
also
had
some
discussion
around
this
I
think
has
now
been
put
put
to
bed,
but
you
know
there
have
been
some
committee
discussion
about
the
chair
reporting
out
on
august
17th,
and
we
had
concerns
same
that
same
thing
that
that
cash
and
reported
from
the
finance
working
group
that
we
weren't
this
this
committee's
not
ready
to
present
recommendations,
certainly
or
really
even
an
update.
So
I
think
that
that
is
not
part
of
the
planning,
but
it
would
be
helpful
to
clarify.
I
Mr
chairman,
I
think
I
heard
you
say
that
that's
off
the
table
as
a
a
marker
for
august
17th,
the
other
thing
that
we
talked
about.
We
appreciated
the
opportunity
as
individuals
to
review
the
embargo
draft
of
the
city's
section
to
be
included
in
the
the
draft
feasibility
study.
That's
going
to
be
released
on
september
10th,
I
we.
We
don't
entirely
understand
what
that
document
is.
So
we
would
we'd
like
to
really
understand
what
it
is.
What
its
intention
is,
how
formal
is
it,
and
we
also
don't
understand
the
process?
I
I
mean
we,
we
had
some
discussion
about.
You
know
we
each
received
the
draft
as
individuals,
with
a
request
from
mark
and
kailyn
to
respond
directly
to
them
with
feedback
which
I
have
done,
and
I
understand
others
have
done
as
well,
and
I,
while
our
working
group
understands
the
need
for
protecting
sensitive
information
and
confidentiality
to
be
an
effective
committee
and
have
robust
process
and
discussion,
it
would
certainly
help
to
be
able
to
have
some
discussion
about
what
we
think
about
that
draft
and
how
this
committee
can
play
a
role
in
improving
that
document.
I
Again,
once
we
better
understand
what
it
is
and
what
the
intention
and
level
of
formality
behind
it
is,
we
had,
as
individuals
talked
about
some
of
our
concerns
and
things
that
think
that
it
can
be
stronger.
I
So
that
was
our
second
point
of
discussion
and
then
the
final
thing,
which
is
really
recapping
what
we
reported
out
from
our
first
meeting,
specifically
with
regard
to
the
environmental
impact
statement.
We
are
going
to
be
looking
closely
and
hoping
to
see
in
the
draft
that
comes
out
in
september,
proper
consideration
of
nature
based
solutions.
I
The
corps
looking
at
the
same
level
of
sea
level
rise
as
the
city,
ensuring
ecosystem
health
and
public
access,
avoiding
adverse
impacts
to
historic
properties
and
addressing
unavoided
consequences,
unintended
consequences
to
other
parts
of
the
city
beyond
the
peninsula.
So
that
that's
a
summary
of
points
that
that
we
came
up
with
in
our
first
working
group
discussion.
E
No
thanks
laura.
I
think
that
was
that
was
very
helpful.
I
think
it'll
be
particularly
with
the
the
eis
getting
released
at
the
same
time
as
on
that
september.
10Th
day
rather,
that'll
provide
additional
good
opportunity
to
review,
and
then
you
know
finally,
susan,
if
you
could
give
the
communications
update.
That
would
be
great.
Thank
you.
D
Hi,
unfortunately,
my
other
two
members
aren't
here
and
also,
unfortunately,
I
don't
have
from
doug
a
layout
of
the
one
piece
communications
marketing.
You
know
document
to
begin
to
inform
the
public
about
what
we're
doing
and
I'm
not
sure
what
the
the
timeline
is
on
that.
I
know
that
doug
has
been
very
involved
in
a
project
this
week
for
the
city,
so
I'm
sure
that
that's
taken
his
time
and
that
of
of
the
other
members.
D
We
had
really
just
a
brief
discussion
about
both
the
document
that
market
sent
out
and
also
about
how
we
discuss
the
army
corps
project
in
general
with
the
public.
D
I
know
from
discussions
with
people
in
general
that
the
sense
is
that
this
is
sort
of
a
done
deal
and
that
the
city
is
going
to
move
ahead
and
that
the
documents
that
come
out
of
the
city,
like
the
comprehensive
plan
and
others,
assume
that
the
army
corps
project
is
on
track
to
move
ahead
and
none
of
us
on
this
committee.
I
don't
think
understand
that
that
is
indeed
the
case.
D
So
I
think
that
we
have
a
perception
issue
in
the
community
about
the
project
on
a
lot
of
levels
probably,
and
we
need
to
do
a
really
full-blown
community
engagement
program
and
the
suggestion
was
made
at
one
point
that
we
hire
a
consultant
in
the
public
relations
community
to
put
together
a
program
to
get
this
information
out.
I
don't
know
whether
that's
a
feasible
thing
to
to
think
about
or
not,
but
I'm
waiting
to
get
this
document
to
send
to
you
all.
D
I
did
send
the
copy
to
you
and
I
understand
that
it
was
okay,
because
nobody
said
too
much
back
to
me
so
we'll
kind
of
go
from
there,
but
I
am
concerned
about
the
community
engagement
and
the
information
that
is
missing
out
there
in
the
public.
I
can't
stress
that
enough.
Thank
you.
H
E
Think
that
that
four
pager
that
you
are
working
on
is
a
great
effort
and
will
help
help
to
address
those
concerns,
so
certainly
appreciate
all
y'all's
work
on
that,
and
you
know
I
I
do
think
we
are
running
short
on
time
here
and
caitlin.
Do
we
still
have
a
quorum
here.
A
We
do
yes
that,
because
mr
maybank
joined
us,
even
though
dan
had
to
drop
off
so
I
think
I
know
we're
we're
scheduled
to
go
to
11.
So
I
know,
if
other
folks
probably
have
to
drop
off
at
that
point
too.
So,
whatever
business,
if
we
need
to
have
done,
needs
to
be
done
in
the
next
12
minutes
to
have
our
forum.
E
Yeah
understood
so
you
know,
I
think
we
went
a
little
bit
over
reasonably
so
on
the
timeline
front.
I
think
that
was
a
important
topic
to
to
stay
on.
You
know
our
next.
E
I
guess
I
don't
know
motion's
the
right
word,
but
the
next
topic
I
wanted
to
everybody
discussing
was
the
was
the
just
high
level
need
for
some
form
of
perimeter.
Protection
subject
to
you
know
additional
clarifications.
E
Movement
on
you
know
all
sorts
of
all
sorts
of
issues,
but
just
the
high
level
need
for
perimeter
protection.
I
I
you
know
received
a
lot
of.
I
should
say
I
receive
communication
in
favor
of
that
folks.
In
favor
of
that
I
received
some
hesitancy
on
a
number
of
items,
and
so
anyway,
I
wanted
to
you
know.
E
Similar
what
we
did
with
the
water
plan,
how
we,
you
know,
made
a
high
level
motion
and
then
tweaked
the
language
to
meet
everybody's
input
and
understanding
wanted
to
do
the
same
thing
as
it
relates
to
the
need
for
some
form
of
perimeter,
protection
and
so
kalyn.
E
Would
you
mind
walking
me
through
the
process
for
for
making
that
motion
to
make
it
an
official
motion.
A
Right,
I
don't
think
you
need
an
official
motion
now
you're
just
going
to
have
a
discussion
to
collect
information,
you
would
do
probably,
if
you're
able
to
gather
language
as
we
did
for
the
water
plan
for
by
the
next.
E
Understood:
okay,
great
well!
Well,
yes,
I'll
open
it
up,
then,
to
the
group
for
for
discussion.
D
Where,
where
is
this
motion
going?
Where
is
this
statement
going.
E
E
E
Council,
correct
yeah,
it
would
be
basically
part
of
the
report
or
you
know
an
additional
piece
of
the
report
back
as
part
of
our
effort
to
move
from
kind
of
education
to
to
action.
I
So
I'm
I'm
still
not
completely
clear,
hey
good!
Are
you
suggesting
that
we
as
a
committee,
develop
a
statement
that
would
say
we
understand
that
there
is
surge
risk
for
the
peninsula
and
we
believe
that
there's
a
need
for
some
kind
of
perimeter
protection
and
that
we
would
develop
that
language
and
then
someone
would
make
a
motion
to
approve
it
and
then,
if
it
were
approved,
it
would
go
to
council.
E
And
so
point
you
know
thought
here:
we
don't
just
don't
have
that
much
time
to
do
it,
so
I
hate
to
kind
of
rush
this
in
nine
minutes,
but
but
the
point
was
that
going
to
having
that
discussion
going
through
it,
I
you
know
in
general,
you
know
we
made
that
you
know
thought
on
email,
starting
that
language
most
folks
were
in
support
of
it.
Some
folks,
I
think,
had
some
hesitancy
as
regards
as
it
related
to
specifics
on
it,
but
wanted
to.
E
You
know,
continue
that
effort
and
drive
it
to
a
to
some
sort
of
conclusion.
So
anyway,
I
just
want
to
open
it
up
for
general
discussion
if
everybody
wants
to
or
if
anybody
wants
to
you
know,
voice
their
support,
or
you
know
issues
with
it
or
you
know
desire
for
clarifications.
That
would
be.
What
would
I
like
to
use
this
time
for
prior
to
developing
specific
language
and
agreeing
on
it.
C
Mr
chairman,
this
is
cashton.
Maybe
this
I
guess
this
is
a
question
for
dale
and
mark
regarding
the
dutch
dialogues.
I
know
there's
there's
language
and
I
I'm
having
trouble
jogging
my
memory.
There
is
language
in
the
dutch
dialogue
saying
that
we
have
you
know
in
order
to,
I
think
of
a
way
to
retreat
that
we
need
to
adopt
the
dutch
holder
model
and
have
some
sort
of
perimeter
protection.
C
F
C
Not
a
foreign
concept,
I
mean
you
know.
This
is
city
policy.
The
city
council
adopted
the
dutch
dialogues,
says
formal
city
policy
in
january
of
2020,
so
it's
in
there.
So
I
think
our
you
know.
If,
if
we're
looking
to
have
a
motion,
we
can
lift
language
that
is
already
formal
city
policy
from
the
dutch
dialect
report.
F
What
it
is
I'll
add
a
couple
of
other
in
addition
to
the
dutch
dialogues,
it's
in
the
perimeter
protection
analysis
report
and
also,
if
you
look
at
our
current
comprehensive
plan,
it
assumes
that
there's
it's
not
approved
yet,
but
the
one
that's
out
for
discussion
among
city
council.
It
assumes
that
there's
protection
around
the
peninsula,
so
there's
three
different
documents
that
you
could
reference.
G
E
So
talk
to
mark
a
little
bit
about
dr
mark
and
kayla
a
little
bit
about
that
over
the
course
of
this
week.
Just
to
avoid
me
kind
of
butchering
the
the
procedural
concept
mark
caitlyn.
Do
you
mind
addressing
answering
that
question.
F
F
G
F
Waiting
to
get
the
chairman
on
the
agenda
for
city
council
to
make
a
series
of
recommendations
or
updates
the
last
time
this
group
met.
They
said
they
weren't
ready
for
that.
So
we
took
that
off
of
the
agenda
for
august
17th
and
there
were
some
requests
that
it
would
only
be
updates,
not
recommendations.
F
A
B
For
the
peninsula
is
going
to
be
surgery.
A
B
A
That
occur
on
the
peninsula,
because
that
that
is,
you
know,
that's
the
golden
goose
right,
that's
the
golden
egg,
so
as
valuable
as
the
other
parts
of
the
city
are
to
the
to
the
city
identity.
It
is
the
peninsula
that
maintains
that
or
exemplifies
that,
and.
B
A
surge
event
would
destroy
that
and
that's
why
we,
the
dutch
dialogues,
recommended
as
well
as
in
the
in
the
land
and
water
analysis.
We
said
a
surge
reduction
or
criminal
protection
system
that
reduces
surge,
and
ideally
if
we
were
kings
right
if
david
wagner-
and
I
were
king,
that
would
deal
with
tidal
impacts
too.
The
corps
of
engineers
can't
do
that.
Sadly,
but
something
that
can
eliminate
this
or
mitigate
the
surge.
B
Water
plan
surge
is.
A
D
B
E
That
was
helpful
susan.
I
think
that
it's
it's,
I
think
the
issue
is,
it
got
lumped
in
with
just
a
larger
series
of
items
not
to
mention.
I
think
there
were
several
several
items
on
this
past
council
agenda
where
this
could
end
up
getting
looked
over
as
well
or
not
looked
over,
but
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of
pressing
items
on
this
on
this
last
agenda
as
well.
E
So
right
point
being
that
that
I
think
whatever
we
got
clarity
here,
I
think
we're
we
can
go
in
with
with
just
this
update
and
then
just
say:
hey
we're.
You
know
we're
not
able
to
speak
on
recommendations
or
summaries
at
the
moment,
but
we
do
have
this
this
pressing
forward.
So
but
hey
everybody.
I
I
apologize
to
do
this
as
an
important
item,
but
I
have
a
11
o'clock,
I'm
I
am
laid
for
so
I
need
to.
E
F
Yeah
just
one
point
of
clarification:
we
that
will
not
be
on
the
next
city
council
meeting,
because
that
agenda
has
already
been
done.
It
would
be
on
the
following
city
council
meeting
now
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
that
ready.
So
I
would
recommend
my
strong
recommendation
would
be
to
get
several
of
these
recommendations
flushed
out,
if
you're
going
to
do
a
water
plan,
recommend
also
that
if
the
council
or
this
committee
agrees,
that
surge
protection
is
required
and
do
two
of
those
together
I've
already.
D
F
Well,
because,
if
if
this
is
integral
to
the
water
plan,
it
gives
extra
emphasis
to
the
need
for
a
water
plan.