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City of Charleston Bicycle and Pedestrian Advisory Committee, 5/21/2020
A
A
A
A
We
had
a
traffic
and
transportation
committee
meeting
before
City
Council
when
was
it
last
week,
Keith,
and
during
that
time
there
was
lots
of
discussions
about
what
the
city
looks
like
both
today
and
in
the
future,
in
multimodal
ISM
on
using
some
space
that
would
traditionally
be
car
space.
For
other
things,
there
were
lots
of
suggestions
that
were
out
there,
some
of
them
general.
Some
more
specific
and
councilmember
Brady
made
the
suggestion
that
we
bring
the
discussion
to
this
committee,
which
was
a
very
popular
suggestion,
so
popular
it
passed
unanimously.
A
So
my
understanding
and
Carl
jump
in
if
I
say
something
that's
or
keep
that
you
don't
think
it's
right.
The
traffic
and
transportation
committee
sent
to
this
committee
a
discussion
of
I,
guess
basically
anything
that
comes
to
our
streets,
open
streets,
multimodal
ISM,
making
some
changes
along
the
way,
both
short
and
long
term,
and
was
looking
for
a
report
back
on
any
suggestions
or
recommendations
that
we
had
within
a
60-day
time
frame.
Is
that
right?
That's
right!
A
So
we
really
have
a
blank
canvas
here
tonight
and
going
forward
and
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
direct
some
of
the
conversation.
Allen
Davis
is
kind
enough
to
join
us
from
our
Civic
Design
Center
he's
going
to
give
us
some
thoughts
and
I
think
she
some
some
renderings
that
he's
done.
I.
Think
mr.
Benjamin
has
some
thoughts
that
he
wants
to
talk
about,
is
sort
of
about
the
process
of
how
we
go
about
taking
back
all
the
parts
of
our
streets
from
cars
to
other
modes
of
transportation.
A
So
we'll
try
to
make
this
as
structured
as
we
can.
All
ideas
are
welcomed
and
I
can
tell
you
I,
don't
think
that
there's
a
whole
lot
of
preconceived
notions
back
at
City
Council
about
what
the
future
looks
like
I
do
think
we
have
an
incredible
opportunity
right
now
to
make
some
incremental
changes
for
the
better,
both
short
again
and
long
term.
So
let's
take
that
to
heart.
A
A
D
A
So
there's
no
objection.
I
would
just
ask
that
we
put
on
our
first
meeting
together
the
election
of
a
vice-chair.
Okay,
all
right
next
on
our
agenda
is
public
comment.
I
guess
this
is
a
publicly
noticed
meeting
I,
don't
know,
there's
anybody
on
the
line
that
wants
to
make
public
comment,
but
I
think
mr.
Benjamin
got
some
public
comments
that
he's
gonna
share
with
us.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,.
B
Sir,
we
sent
down
notification
specifically
allowing
people
to
both
call
in
and
email
in
comments.
We
got
two
comments,
email
comments
in
just
going.
To
paraphrase
what
they
have
here,
one
is
from
Charles
Fox
who
messaged
in
specifically
regarding
the
cosgrove
bridge
and
requesting
that
there
be
a
large
lane
for
cyclists
and
pedestrians.
B
He
also
requested
that
there
be
an
sed
LT
engineering
study
to
be
funded,
to
determine
the
cost
and
design
for
an
accessible
path
over
the
river.
Just
also
brought
up
how
much
longer
of
a
bike
commute.
It
is
for
him
to
get
back
and
forth
to
work,
because
that
connection
is
not.
There
also
got
one
from
Alex
Pappas,
so
I'm,
probably
not
pronouncing
that
correctly.
Alex
Pappas,
yes,
sir,
and
specifically
asking
for
opening
the
streets
on
King
Street
from
Springs
abroad.
B
A
F
F
Accessibility,
since
we
had
to
pivot
here,
I,
don't
know
to
what
degree
the
public
was
going
to
be
able
to
participate,
but
certainly-
and
this
is
something
we
might
be
able
to
address
at
the
end
of
the
meeting-
if
people
aren't
able
to
participate
in
the
way
they
had
intended,
whether
it
be
zoom
or
YouTube
or
whatever,
that
we
make
it
possible
for
them
to
make
additional
comments
or
that
we
don't
maybe
make
final
recommendations
or
or
decisions
on
thing
until
everyone
gets
a
chance
to
comment.
I'll
leave
myself
now
so.
A
All
I'll
feel
that
just
really
quickly
so
traditionally
it's
City
Council
on
our
standing
committees
and
we
are
one
of
them.
We
are
a
sanction
committee.
We
don't
even
have
public
comment.
This
is
I,
think
the
only
one
that,
as
a
committee,
we
have
unanimously
from
day
one
invited
and
welcomed
public
comment,
and
we
like
it.
It's
been
very
successful.
What
we've
done
in
this
challenging
age
is,
we've
noticed
these
meetings
and
we
do
open
them
up
for
public
comment
and
we
give
people
options.
A
They
can
in
advance,
send
us
their
comments
and
we
publish
them
just
as
mr.
Benjamin
did.
You
can
also
join
the
meeting
and
then
through
chat
or
otherwise.
Let
us
know
you're
there
and
comment.
We
oh,
and
we
will
continue
to
do
it
that
way
and
in
the
interim,
if
there
are
people
who
need
to
get
a
hold
of
us,
you've
got
to
city
city
council
members
that
are
on
this
committee
that
are
on
the
TMT
committee.
A
A
That's
plenty
of
time
for
people
to
comment,
and
we
will
try
to
publish
and
we're
going
to
have
a
report
of
this
meeting
at
our
next
TNT
meeting,
so
we'll
publish
to
the
public
what
we're
doing
so
we'll
give
them
plenty
of
opportunity
a
lot
easier.
Obviously,
when
we're
in
person,
but
for
now
we're
I
think
doing
the
best
we
can
with
the
resources
we
have
yeah.
F
A
F
A
G
Or
since
mr.
Fox
wrote
in
about
the
cosgrove
bridge,
the
North
Bridge
I
can
give
you
an
update
on
what's
going
on
there.
Briefly
we're
hoping
to
get
on
a
county
council
agenda
in
July
to
have
council
votes
to
update
the
study
to
figure
out
access
over
that
bridge.
So
we've
already
been
Charleston
moves
has
been
working
with
County
staff
to
lay
out
the
scope
of
that
updated
study
and
they've.
A
Helpful,
thank
you,
mm-hmm,
okay,
unless
there's
anybody
else
in
the
public
through
via
chat
or
otherwise
I'm
going
to
close
the
public
comment
period
for
now,
but
we'll
be
back
next
time.
So
now,
let's
talk
about
the
open
street
concept
discussion,
mr.
Benjamin
I'm,
going
to
let
you
kick
it
off
and
then
I
know
Alan.
Do
you
have
a
presentation
you
want
to
make
to
us?
Is
that
how
this
is
gonna
work
and.
B
I
am
gonna,
lay
out
some
stuff
for
everybody.
One
of
the
things
I
will
highlight
in
there
is
the
work
that
Alan
has
been
up
to.
So
if
the
conversation
goes
in
in
that
direction
of
wanting
to
talk
about
that
specific
corridor,
he
and
his
folks
have
studied
that
backwards
and
forward.
So
they
can
definitely
speak
to
that
and
get
into
that
detail.
If
the
committee
begins
to
talk
about
that
corridor
as
one
of
the
potential
areas,
okay,.
A
B
All
right
good
to
go
so
want
to
just
give
an
outline
not
just
about
open
streets
but
within
the
context
of
Charleston,
obviously
been
receiving
a
bunch
of
different.
B
Like
this
definition
of
open
streets,
that
comes
from
the
open
streets,
project
and
they've
been
doing
a
lot
of
amazing
work
specifically
because
I
think
it
contextualizes
what
opportunity
is
in
a
way
that
makes
sure
that
everybody
gets
to
be
a
part
of
the
conversation
and
what
exactly
it
looks
like
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
to
keep
in
mind,
as
you
all
do.
B
Your
deliberation
tonight
is
the
perspective
that
that
council
is
coming
from,
and
so
as
long
as
you
all
are
making
sure
there's
a
conceptualization
for
everybody
to
be
a
part
of
whatever
you
decide
to
make
recommendations
of
that's
thinking
about
social
integration.
That's
thinking
about
connection
of
neighborhoods,
that's
thinking
about
people
meeting
in
the
street
as
equals.
B
I
think
we
start
checking
that
box,
part
of
where
the
ask
of
this
open
streets
opportunity
comes
from
not
just
from
the
stakeholders,
but
internal
conversations
we've
had
a
city
staff
is
is
in
regards
to
how
hard
our
small
businesses,
food
and
beverage
businesses
have
been.
It
been
hit
in
a
significant
way,
and
so
there's
been
a
significant
conversation
of
from
our
council
about.
How
do
we
help
these
businesses
come
back?
B
How
do
we
make
sure
that
the
general
public
feels
safe
to
interact
and
to
to
shop
and
to
eat
and
to
walk
into
bike
and
to
interact
and
otherwise,
and
so,
as
you
all
are
deliberating
keeping
that
objective
in
mind?
That
counsel
is
specifically
interested
in
how
they're
bringing
back
the
city,
how
we're
uplifting
on
these
small
businesses
and
what
that
opportunity
is
and
how
open
streets
helps
to
answer
that
question.
B
B
In
our
even
our
Calhoun
west
study
spoke
about
the
potential
of
Concord
Street
in
the
future,
as
development
comes
in
there
and
how
that
could
function
for
non-motorized
use.
So
I
think
it's
important
to
make
that
establishment
that
this
is
not
a
new
discussion
for
us
right.
It's
something
we've
been
wrestling
with
with
some
for
some
time.
B
Cities
have
been
wrestling
with
what
this
looks
like.
How
does
this
function?
How
does
it
work
for
our
city
versus
another,
and
so
hopefully
you
all
can
be
able
to
dig
into
that
today.
Council
Murr
Brady
asked
me
to
give
some
City
examples
that
have
introduced
some
form
of
open
streets,
and
specifically,
he
said
to
introduce
cities
that
are
close
in
size
and
population
like
ours.
B
I
think
that's
important,
because
I'll
tell
you
from
the
national
conversation
many
of
the
cities
that
have
been
put
on
a
pedestal
for
doing
the
quote:
unquote
right
thing
about
open
streets
or
large
cities
that
own
all
of
their
streets,
that
bond
their
transportation,
revenue,
etc,
etc.
That's
not
our
case
right,
and
so
what
does
that
look
like
for
cities
that
have
some
similarities
to
ours?
B
One
of
other
things
that
I
want
to
stress
to
you
all
and
I
know
I'm,
not
reading
the
slides,
I'm,
not
a
reader
of
slides,
but
I
want
to
give
you
a
sense
of
what's
happening.
Is
that
many
cities
have
crafted
what
open
streets
for
it
means
for
them
in
varying
different
ways:
Winter
Park
Florida
that
I
showed
you
all
earlier.
They
decided
to
just
do
their
open
streets
just
on
Mother's
Day
weekend,
I'm
Hoboken,
an
amazing
city,
amazing
mayor
there,
they're
just
doing
Saturdays
and
Sundays
8
a.m.
to
8
p.m.
B
and
even
in
Tampa
I'll
show
their
piece
in
a
second
they've
limited,
there's
just
two
a
two
week
time
period
in
the
evenings,
and
so
the
variation
of
what
can
be
done.
How
that
looks
for
us
I
think,
there's
some
openness
in
that
in
that
regard,
and
just
just
wanting
to
make
that
you
aware
that
it's
not
a
kind
of
either-or
situation,
that's
what
fits
for
us.
What
fits
for
Charleston!
Oh
I,
can't
take
credit
for
this
one.
This.
B
This
is
from
studio,
111
I'm,
just
wanting
to
give
people
a
visual
of
the
different
bearing
options
that
come
up
around
open
streets,
everything
from
temporary
park,
lids
to
permanent
parklets
base
to
curbside
pickup
to
slow
streets
where
only
the
residential
traffic
is
allowed
on
the
street,
not
Thruway.
So
people
can
begin
to
occupy
the
right-of-way
there's
an
number
of
different
pieces
that
can
go
into
open
streets
that
are
not
just
specific
to
closing
on
the
public
right-of-way.
B
Obviously,
that's
an
option
too
so
I'm
not
not
not
saying
that
that's
off
the
table,
but
just
wanting
to
make
sure
we
know
that
there's
all
sorts
of
combinations
that
can
come
into
play
and
your
thoughts
as
you're
thinking
about
recommendations
on
being
conscious
of
that,
we've
obviously
been
doing
a
number
of
different
things
in
the
city
as
well
and
I.
Don't
I
don't
want
to
skip
over
those.
You
know,
there's
some
ordinance
relief
that
we've
done
around
our
side,
walking
furniture
or
curbside,
pickup
and
otherwise
I'm
automating
pedestrian
buttons.
B
The
picture
that
you
see
is
from
Hampton
Park
in
that
gray.
Ugly-Looking
box
is
actually
an
eco
counter
that
we've
had
out
there
since
May
7th,
and
really
seen
an
amazing
outpouring
of
response
of
people
to
the
expanded
hours
and
days
of
anthem
park.
Closing
to
vehicular
traffic.
I'm
gonna
give
you
these
numbers,
and
these
numbers
include
the
percentage
you
take
off
from
double
counts,
according
to
USDA
data,
so
these
are
real
numbers,
so
our
total,
since
May
7th,
is
over
30,000
users.
B
Our
daily
average
exceeds
2000,
our
weekly
average
exceeds
15,000,
and
our
projected
monthly
average
of
use
would
be
over
65,000.
So
just
a
massive
amount
of
response
that
has
come
from
the
expansion
of
the
closure
of
the
Hampton
Park
area
and
I'm
just
excited
to
keep
continuing
to
see
what
those
numbers
look
like
and
break
those
down.
B
So
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
amount
of
emails
that
I
have
gotten
and
calls
and
tweets
and
DMS
and
otherwise,
and
a
number
of
them
have
raised
many
different
areas
of
potential
for
some
form
of
open
streets
and
what
exactly
that
could
look
like
and
and
and
I
wanted
to
list
these
out.
For
you
all.
So
you
you
have
a
place
of
reference
as
you're.
Having
your
conversations.
B
Obviously
most
of
the
conversation
you've
heard
about
is,
is
somewhere
along
King
Street,
whether
that's
the
southern
portion
of
King
Street,
expanding
sidewalk
space
or
the
upper
portion
of
King
Street,
where
I'll
show
some
diagrams
later.
The
work
that
Alan
and
his
team
have
looked
at
areas
near
the
College
of
Charleston
alone,
coming
Street
and
st.
Phillip
parking
lanes
around
Colonial
Lake
parking
areas
stretching
out
the
sidewalk
area
along
the
battery
along
Mary
Boulevard,
meeting
Street
Market,
Street,
East,
Bay,
Street
and
then
also
off
the
peninsula
in
the
Magnolia
area
of
a
u.s.
17.
B
B
How
many
feet
apart
different
seating
areas,
have
to
be
how
they
protect
in
the
public,
right-of-way
and
otherwise
one
of
the
key
factors
in
Tampa
and
I
mentioned
this
even
later,
but
is
that
they
chose
not
to
use
SCB
their
state
VOT
streets.
I
know,
that's
that's
a
hard
aspect
for
us,
because
the
vast
majority
of
our
business
aspects
are
on
those,
but
that
that's
a
key
factor
in
how
they
were
able
to
execute
their
piece.
B
B
B
Yes,
yes
and
then
the
concept
that
we've
been
hinting
at
before
that
Alan
and
his
team
have
taken
a
look
at.
They
did
some
really
in-depth
analysis
of
the
best
practices
from
second
Sunday
and
and
and
put
some
put
some
extra
on
that
and
really
kind
of
thought
about
what
the
upper
King
Street
corridor
could
potentially
look
like.
If
that
had
some
Street
closures
there,
one
of
the
pieces
that
I
think
is
important,
that
is
showcased
in
their
work
and
if
you
all,
and
your
deliberation
decide
that
this
is
one
of
the
areas
to
discuss.
B
I'll,
let
him
hit
bigger.
More.
Is
this
question
of
well.
If
we
close
down
the
streets,
that
means
that
vehicular
traffic
won't
be
able
to
move
right,
that
we
won't
that
there
will
be
no
access
and
otherwise,
and
they
took
a
look
at
that
right
to
think
about
how
you
can
have
on
street
retail
focus
areas
and
storefronts
that
are
still
accessing
the
public
right-of-way,
but
still
have
that
east-west
connection,
for
example,
I'm
in
a
diagram
that
you
see
on
Morris
and
Mary,
where
vehicular
traffic
would
still
be
able
to
get
to
the
main
corridor.
B
A
meeting
Street
still
be
able
to
use
the
two-way
traffic
on
cannanore,
Spring
Street,
but
still
you're
able
to
have
those
type
of
open
street
functions
in
their
way.
Greenville
actually
is
in
the
midst
of
doing
this
right
now
on
a
Main
Street
corridor
and
seeing
how
that
works
for
them.
So,
just
just
some
keys
to
success
that
I
think
are
important.
B
I
have
to
be
straight
with
y'all
and
say
that
for
the
cities
that
have
been
introducing
open
streets
efforts,
even
before
covert
19,
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
they've
put
into
making
those
effective,
let
alone
adding
over
19
into
it,
and
so
I'm
not
going
to
run
through
all
of
the
but
I
want
you
to
see
for
yourself
the
different
aspects
that
go
into
some
of
the
cities
that
we've
seen
that
have
been
able
to
execute
on
success.
We've
already
talked
about
roadway
ownership,
but
another
piece
of
that
is
the
traffic
management.
B
We
have
CPD
on
the
line.
Who
can
talk
about
them
more,
but
that's
a
capacity
piece
of
being
able
to
make
sure
that
people
are
safe,
if
you
all
make
a
decision
for,
for
example,
partial
closures
or
for
parklets
or
otherwise
I'm,
especially
on
DLT
right-of-way,
there's
some
aspects
of
traffic
safety
that
will
rise
to
the
top
immediately.
That
would
have
to
be
considered
to
get
approval
at
CBOT
views
this
as
an
opportunity.
B
This
is
an
aspect
that
I
can't
skip
over.
I
have
to
make
sure
we're
conscious
of
this
and
that's.
If
we're
going
to
be
thinking
about
open
streets,
we
have
to
be
thinking
about
it.
There
were
an
equity
lens
right.
How
are
we
making
sure
that
those
who
need
ad
a
access?
What?
What
exactly?
Does
that
look
like?
What
does
open
streets
look
like
for
them?
How
are
we
defining
enforcement
right?
You
know
to
put
out
hey.
You
know
we
want
area
where
PO
can
jog
folk
and
run
folk
in
rider.
B
We
have
to
keep
in
mind
that
70%
of
our
transit
riders
make
forty
five
thousand
dollars
or
less
and
about
the
same
percentage
of
them,
don't
own
a
car,
so
they
walk
our
bike
to
their
transit.
Stop.
So
as
we're
saying
open
streets
concepts,
what
does
it
mean
for
them
to
be
able
to
get
to
that
job
that
we're
expecting
to
be
able
to
open
up
into
the
public
right-of-way
right?
What
does
that
mean
for
the
hop?
What
does
that
mean
for
the?
B
What
does
that
mean
for
the
24
them
to
be
able
to
get
to
their
essential
service?
I
mean
then?
Obviously
the
bike,
ped
safety
thing
we're
still
the
number
one
city
for
bike:
ped,
safety
of
death
and
injuries.
43%
of
them
are
African
Americans.
So
we
just
got
to
make
sure
that,
as
we're
talking
about
the
astreus
concept
that
we're
not
excusing
the
equity
conversation
I
hinted
at
this
earlier.
B
But
if
you
as
you
all,
are
thinking
about
your
recommendations
and
what
moves
forward
I
want
you
to
also
keep
in
mind
that
you're
talking
about
an
initiative
that
will
be
have
to
be
a
top
City
priority.
It's
not
going
to
be
a
initiative
that
would
sit
just
with
the
Department
of
traffic
and
transportation.
B
It
would
have
to
be
a
collaborative
effort
amongst
a
number
of
different
departments,
at
least
six
at
least
the
six
here,
not
including
our
Budget
and
Finance,
and
also
our
legal
team,
but
just
making
sure
that
we're
doing
it
right
doing
it
safe
and
doing
it
in
a
way
that
that
makes
sense.
So
it
would
be
a
top
City.
It
would
have
to
be
a
top
city
priority
that
that
a
number
of
these
departments
would
have
to
come
together
to
execute.
B
If
you
have
partial
closures,
what
is
that
safety
aspect
mean
closures
on
a
CDL
C
right-of-way
are
temporary
because
they're
viewing
them
as
in
the
same
vein
as
parades
or
festivals.
I
mean
that
open
streets
are
going
to
require
all
hands
on
deck,
including
all
of
you
so
I
know.
I
won't
do
that
extremely
quickly,
but
I
wanted
to
kind
of
lay
a
foundation
for
your
conversation,
some
perspective
from
the
city
and
and
what
this
possibly
could
look
like.
So
thank
y'all
for
bearing
with
me
excellent.
A
A
What
can
we
do
to
open
the
city
back
up
in
a
way
that
helps
small
business
and
that,
in
a
way
that
perhaps
try
some
things
that
we
haven't
tried
before,
but
are
implementable?
I
think
those
are
fair
comments
on
what
we've
heard
and
again
as
we
rethink
what
the
city
looks
like
as
we
come
back
on
the
backside
of
this,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
mobility
and
transportation.
A
We
then,
when
we
closed
the
parks,
thought
it
to
be
a
good
idea
and
believe
it
or
not
by
ordinance,
but
by
mistake,
close
down
the
lanes
in
Hampton
Park,
the
language
that
was
put
in
the
ordinance
that
was
adopted,
and
then
the
ultimate
decree
from
the
mayor
was
put
in
without
anybody's
knowledge,
it
was
great,
but
then
it
was
backed
off
of
I
mean
we're
now
not
closed
all
the
time.
So
there
is
some,
even
in
the
easiest.
A
What
seems
to
be
of
areas
to
do
some
of
the
things
I
think
at
least
some
of
us
like
to
do
there's
a
lot
of
conversation
both
pro
and
con
and
I
will
say
this
and
then
shut
up
and
hand
it
over
to
councilmember
Brady
for
a
second
I
was
on
a
talk
show
this
morning
on
AM
radio
and
the
caller
called
in
about
Hampton
Park
and
could
not
have
been
more
against
shutting
it
down.
It
was
painfully
against.
So
that's
the
kind
of
stuff
that's
out
there.
A
This
committee
I
think,
has
an
opportunity
that
no
one
has
ever
in
the
city
had
before
to
come
forward
with
some
thoughtful
thought-provoking
sensitive
suggestions
to
a
city
and
a
council
that
can
get
adopted
and
change
things,
both
small
and
medium
and
large
forever.
If
we
do
it
right,
we
don't
have
to
do
it
all
tonight.
In
fact,
we're
not
going
to
do
it
all
tonight,
but
we
do
have
a
charge
to
be
back
with
Council
within
60
days
with
some
recommendations.
My
suggestion
is
that
the
recommendations
aren't
do
nothing.
A
E
Thanks,
mr.
chairman,
so
I
yeah,
one
of
the
things
that
I
had
talked
to
Keith
a
little
bit,
but
you
know
if
you,
if
you've
ever
studied
pandemics,
looking
at
like
1918
the
two
instances
in
the
Black
Plague
pandemics,
don't
break
things.
They
illuminate
things
that
are
already
broken,
and
so
you
know
it
was
one
of
those
things
we
were
talking
about
in
it
traffic
and
transportation.
That
kind
of
popped
into
my
mind
as
we
talked
about
how
to
get
the
businesses
back
up
and
regoing.
E
Was
this
opportunity
for
and
I
know
in
talking
to
Katie
and
whatnot
as
well,
that
you
know
we
prioritize
cars
for
so
long
that
the
pandemic
has
illuminated
that
only
focusing
on
that.
You
know
it
could
be
to
our
detriment,
in
terms
of,
in
this
instance,
trying
to
provide
some
temporary
relief,
at
least
for
businesses,
and
so
you
know
I.
This
is
an
opportunity
that
we
finally
have
at
the
confluence
of
the
right
time
in
the
right
moment
to
really
bring
some
changes
forward.
E
That
I
know
council
would
be
willing
to
consider
as
well
and
rather
than
have
to
get
an
ad
hoc
committee
or
anything
together.
It
was
my
suggestion,
as
councilmember
sinkings
had
said,
that
we
really
utilize
this
committee,
which
has
a
broad
cross-section
of
the
community,
represented
and
various
viewpoints
that
can
come
together
and
provide
some
actual
concrete
recommendations
that
we
and
then
take
the
council
and
it
was
kind
of
the
instead
of
it
being
just
a
top-down,
those
of
us
on
council
just
kind
of
dictating
it.
G
B
So
they
have
not
there's
not
there's
not
a
ruling
that
they've
iterated
to
me
in
regards
to
open
streets.
They
have
iterated
to
me
that
they
view
this
in
the
same
way
as
their
permit
there
edie
28
permit,
which
is
for
road
closures,
for
parades,
festivals
and
other
events,
so
that's
how
they
categorize
and
and
their
specific
parameters
in
that
regard,
that
would
have
to
be
followed
and
and
predominant
around.
B
It
is
the
involvement
of
law
enforcement
and
also
about
traffic
diversion
plans
and
otherwise,
so
there's
not
it's
a
two-page
document,
there's
not
really
much
specificity
in
regards
to
open
streets
about
the
type
of
materials
and
otherwise
they
might
yield
to.
You
know
to
municipality
in
that
regard,
but
that's
kind
of
how
they've
categorized
the
potential
of
it
and
it's
still
governed.
It's
still
in
their
hand,
if
it's
in
the
right-of-way
still
in
their
hands
to
decide
where
they
yay
or
nay,
I,
think.
B
B
So
I
have
yet
to
get
a
no
to
the
idea
of
what
things
could
look
like
I
do
know
if,
for
example,
if
there's
partial
closures
and
there's
you
all
are
decide
that
you
want
to
do
parklets,
there's
going
to
be,
if
it's
in
there
right
away,
there's
going
to
be
strict
guidelines
about
the
level
of
impact
that
can
be
taken
by
the
material.
That's
put
in
that
park,
alert
for
example,
which
to
me
speaks
towards
something
more
permanent
than
a
tactical
urbanism
project.
I
think.
A
The
key
word
KT
that
comes
from
all
that
2-page
guideline
is
temporary
they're
looking
for
things
that
are
temporary,
that's
why
they
put
it
in
the
category,
but
that's
okay,
I
mean
what
they
call
temporary.
We
can
call
Pilate,
we
can
do
all
sorts
of
things,
but
at
least
we
know
that
there's
a
starting
point
that
we
can
jump
off
of
that.
We
haven't
gotten
to
know.
I
think
that
they'll
be
somewhat
flexible,
particularly
downtown,
where
we
have
some
more
opportunity
anyway.
I
will.
G
F
I
think
that's
great.
That
is
very
encouraging
Katie.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
the
materials
that
you
sent
over
if
you
weren't
great,
to
get
such
an
in-depth
summary.
Are
you
still
a
student
because
I
feel
like
I
should
still
be
a
student
I
mean
I,
know
you're
not,
but
I
mean,
like
you,
obviously
are,
and
that
you're
doing
this
data
analysis
and
it
I
mean
it's
in
the
numbers.
F
Councilman
sneaking's
I
think
you
said
something
a
very
noteworthy
that
not
only
could
this
be
a
pilot
and
the
possibility
of
a
lot
of
things
but
I
like
to
think
of
it
as
a
pivot,
sometimes
and
I
think
he
has
has
alluded
to
that
in
a
degree,
and
he
thank
you
for
that.
Summary.
I
really
took
some
good
notes
on
how
to
put
together
a
good
presentation.
I
had
never
heard
it
like
that.
You
learned
through
pictures
and
I
have
teachers
for
parents.
I
got.
F
F
So
you
know,
and
and
specifically
from
the
lens
of
this
being
a
permits,
an
event
type
of
regulation.
Then
we
definitely
have
a
lot
of
examples.
You
know
I
myself
being
down
at
the
College
of
Charleston.
You
know
now,
obviously
that's
a
you
know
an
enclosed.
You
know
in
particular
area,
but
I,
just
I
just
feel
like.
G
The
other
thing
I
just
wanted
to
note
from
the
other
cities
that
that
we
spoke
to
all
of
them
are
I
like
nojima
your
use
of
pivot,
and
they
are
it's
like
a
constant
feedback
loop
for
them
right
now.
You
know
they
started
these
projects,
but
depending
on
the
feedback
they
get
they're
tweaking
as
they're
working
through
it
so
I
think
was
New
York.
They
did
it
on
a
block.
One
business
owner
had
some
concerns,
so
they
shifted
it
so
that
that
business
owner
didn't
have
to
deal
with
it
anymore.
G
You
know,
law
enforcement
is
patrolling
their
usual
beats,
but
they're
not
stationed
on-site
staring
and
again
in
New
York
City.
They
found
when
the
police
started
by
just
stationing
themselves.
There
it
made
the
community
uncomfortable
it
wasn't
a
community
when
they
had
police
officers
just
standing
there.
So
there
are
different
ways.
I
know
we
have
to
do
the
whole.
You
know
Charleston
is
unique
in
every
possible
way,
but
the
we
can
learn
from
our
own
folks
as
we're
implementing
these
pilot
temporary
projects
and
continuously
tweak
them
based
on
on
feedback
and
I.
F
With
more
feedback
is,
is,
is
critical,
was
there
did
I,
hear
someone
else's
voice.
A
Nibble
on
this
I
do
see
just
chairman
sprocket
for
a
second
I,
do
see
that
Meg
Thompson
came
from
behind
the
screen
to
in
front
of
the
screen.
I'm,
not
sure
that
means
she
has
something
to
say
to
us,
but
I
suspect
it
does
so
meg
I'm
going
to
give
you
the
floor
for
a
second.
If
you've
got
something
to
add
to
this
conversation,
I.
H
A
H
I
services
for
the
city
of
Charleston,
my
office
is
part
of
the
planning
department,
but
we're
unique
and
that
we're
not
regulatory.
We
are
very
public
facing
and
very
engaged
so
I
have
been
on.
The
receiving
end
of
those
emails
along
with
the
councilman
is
key
tires
for
more
space,
both
from
residents
from
the
neighborhood
services
side
of
my
my
shop
and
a
lot
from
business
owners,
especially
downtown,
asked
me
asking
for
more
space,
especially
restaurant
owners.
The
caveat
to
that
I
would
say
is
I
have
received
some
emails
saying.
H
Please
don't
do
that
as
well
from
business
owners
from
residents
and
just
want
to
echo
two
things
that
Keith
said
we
had
looked
into
this
previously
I'm
Alan
Shope
had
done
some
great
work.
Looking
at
this
specifically
on
King
Street,
and
what
became
abundantly
clear
is
that
this
was
going
to
be
very
complicated
and
very
complex.
This
wasn't
going
to
be
something
that
any
one
department
could
do
want
its
own
and
something
that
was
going
to
be
challenging
to
balance
the
needs
of
everyone
in
order
to
execute.
H
Well,
so
that
that's
really
all
I
have
to
say,
but
thank
you
for
recognizing
me,
House
member
fec,.
A
And
thank
you
for
being
part
of
this,
because
meg
and
her
team
is
a
huge
resource,
particularly
in
the
community
because,
like
she
said
she's
forward-facing
in
the
community-
and
she
really
has
a
finger
on
the
pulse
of
the
small
businesses
and
the
residents
of
what
sort
of
turns
of
off
turns
them
on
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
it's
a
it's
a
resource.
We're
going
to
have
to
depend
on
as
we
pivot
as
we
pilot
and
as
we
are
I
mean.
This
is
a
word
that
you
usually
don't
talk
about.
A
Spin
transportation
mobility,
especially
public
transit,
is
being
nimble.
We're
gonna
have
to
be
nimble.
What
works
today
may
not
work
tomorrow,
so
we'll
have
to
make
sure
whatever
sort
of
I
sort
of
envision
us
sending
a
council
on
the
TT,
a
whitepaper
or
sort
of
a
list
of
recommendations,
we're
gonna
have
to
sort
of
preface
it
all
by.
We
recognize
that
it's
gonna
have
to
be
revisited
fairly
regularly
and
Meg
and
her
team
are
gonna,
be
the
key
to
all
that
to
accept
we're,
gonna
be
successful.
Yeah.
I
Because
it's
gonna
require
a
change
of
perception,
and
so,
when
we
implement
it's
going
to
I
think
some
of
that
negativity
made.
Some
of
the
negativity
may
turn
into
positivity
and
some
of
the
positivity
may
turn
into
negativity.
I
mean
we
don't
know,
but
I
think
the
whole
idea
of
a
pivoting
is
that
people's
perceptions
may
change
when
they
actually
live
a
more
spacious,
outdoor
experience
or
whatever,
and
my
hope
is
that
will
be
more
positive,
tweak
change
or
whatever,
and
whether
we
have
to
change
ours
change
location,
and
that
is
the
key.
I
Is
this
discovery,
this
constant
input
of
information,
and
we
have
to
be
nimble
on
making
those
changes?
I
mean
that's
how
it
works
anywhere
else,
but
I
think
I
went
to
Atlanta
by
the
way
on
Mother's,
Day
and
I
walked
the
Beltline
there
and
I
had
no
idea
what
the
Beltline
was.
A
friend
told
me
about
it,
and
I
was
just
aghast.
I
A
So
we
as
a
city
committee,
we
are
gonna
sort
of
stick
to
Robert's
Rules
here
a
second,
so
I'm
eliminating
comments
there.
Any
other
members
of
the
committee,
that's
sort
of
on
preliminary,
have
any
reaction
to
what's
going
on
here,
have
any
input
and
then
we'll
get
around
to
second
round
the
comments
and
we'll
try
to
put
some
focus
and
some
substance
to
this.
Well.
J
A
J
A
K
Just
to
go
on
that
it
I
mean
there
are
things
that
we
have
experience
with.
So
we
have
experience
and
study
on
King
Street,
so
we
already
have
that
as
a
historic
in
terms
of
we
already
know
at
least
four
on
Sundays.
But
what
happens
with
that?
I
mean
the
other
thing
to
think
about.
Is
it's
not
just
restaurants?
It's
also
businesses.
Hopefully
they
could
potentially
pull
out
into
the
street
as
well
put
little
kiosks
or
something
out
there.
K
Cuz
they're
gonna
have
to
limit
the
number
of
people
that
come
into
their
stores
and
then
the
other
thing
is
the
whole
connectivity
and
mobility
thing
and
I'm
going
back
to
the
Ashley
River
Bridge
I
mean
we
were
almost
there
as
a
temporary
thing
and
whether
that
is
something
to
revisit
again.
The
studies
been
done,
the
all
the
info
is
there
and
then
last
comment
is
just
looking
at.
C
Don't
know
if
my
headphones
are
working
right,
but
that's
better
anyway.
I've
got
a
I've
got
a
couple
questions
Katie
I
know
you
sent
an
email
last
night
which
which
I
appreciate
it
was
a
Charleston
move,
is
obviously
going
through
a
complicated
and
thorough
process
to
get
input
and
and
I
guess.
The
question
would
be
you
know:
is
there
going
to
be
an
opportunity
to
compare
that
to
the
city's
list
and
what
is
it?
C
Does
the
city
have
a
comprehensive
list
like
yours
that
we
can
cross-reference
and
then
identify
low-hanging
fruit
from
both
comparing
ownership,
but
then
also
the
realistic
possibility
of
creating
open
streets
on
those
streets?
That's
one
question.
Another
question
is
what
what
are
the
advantages
of
a
full
closure
versus
a
one-way
scenario?
C
It
sounds
like
full
closure
might
be
advantageous
because
it
could
be,
but
police
are
at
control,
point
versus
setting
up
blockades
or
barriers
along
parking
spaces,
and
then
you
know,
I
I
think
it's
a
great
opportunity
to
do
any
to
do
any
and
all
the
above
as
long
as
there's
a
way
around.
You
know
I
guess.
My
question
is
a
lot
of
the
comments
that
had
come
up
on.
C
Charleston
moves
was
I,
don't
I
have
to
admit
I,
didn't
I,
didn't
read
the
survey
and
I'm,
not
a
business
owner,
so
I
can't
possibly
relay
what
the
issues
are.
The
issues
that
that
they
not
only
can
they
not
get
enough
people
in
their
space,
but
also
that
there's
not
enough
room
to
circulate
on
the
street
itself.
Is
it
all
be
above
whoever
had
answered
or
answers
those
questions.
I'd
appreciate
any
well.
G
So
we
we
learned
a
lot
of
really
interesting
stuff
that
got
us
thinking
about
things
that
we
hadn't
thought
about
before.
One
of
the
things
that
we
learned
through
the
business
owners
and
patrons
is
there
are
yoga
and
bar
and
other
sort
of
boutique
studios
where,
because
of
social
distancing,
they
can't
flesh
out
their
classes
in
person,
so
they
are
losing
money,
they're
hemorrhaging
money.
G
So
we
had
a
yoga
studio
that
asked
you
know
how
can
I
start
to
host
classes
on
the
street
and
in
thinking
about
it
and
and
again
our
survey
obviously
was
not.
We
didn't
get
nearly
the
number
of
business
owners
weighing
in
that
we
wanted
to,
but
we
did
sort
of
narrow
in
on
that
hot
spot,
on
King,
between
Cannon
and
John,
based
on
on
who
responded
and
then
another
business
owner
in
that
hot
spot
reached
out
to
me
this
morning.
G
G
She
looked
at
the
open
source,
sidewalk
data
from
the
city,
not
just
on
the
peninsula
citywide.
There
are
very
few
places
where
people
have
enough
space
on
our
existing
sidewalks
and
can
also
socially
distance,
there's
just
not
that
six,
but
with
people
have
to
go
in
the
street
right
now,
if
they're
walking.
So
all
of
that
sort
of
those
were
the
trends
that
sort
of
we
were
able
to
pull
together
from
who
waited
on
the
surveys.
B
Just
the
city
perspective,
just
for
two
seconds,
we're
kind
of
in
a
holding
pattern.
I
mentioned
earlier,
how
many
different
entities
of
the
city
that
would
have
to
come
down
come
together
to
make
something
happen.
So
obviously,
there's
conversations
and
number
of
us
have
had
there's
preliminary
work
that
Civic
design
has
done
for
over
King
Street.
That
actually
was
work
that
was
happening
was
not
an
effect
of
cope
at
19
right.
B
It's
very
much
connected
to
the
work
that
you
know
making
and
planning
have
been
thinking
about
for
cleaning
up,
Upper,
King
Street
ways
to
spruce
it
up
and
otherwise,
and
a
number
of
things
along
that
corridor.
All
the
way
up,
King
Street
have
come
up
for
potential
of
infrastructure
change
and
what
that
could
look
like
so
the
fork
up
in
19.
B
Let's
make
this
happen
and
right
now,
people
have
been
picking
up
cope
at
19
emergency
things
up
until
this
point,
which
is
recovery,
moving
into
a
new
mode,
opening
back
up
our
city
and
otherwise.
So
that's
kind
of
where
our
pieces
right
now
obviously
ready
to
go
at
least
on
the
tnt
planning,
and
I
think
we
have
CPB
on
the
line
too.
C
Sort
of
feel
like
if
you
can
get
past
the
political
and
regulatory
hurdles
of
doing
open
streets
during
a
pandemic,
you
can,
you
could
easily
accomplish
the
same
thing
or
keep
that
pattern
when
we're
in
a
completely
healthy
state.
In
other
words,
that
businesses
can
remain
viable
throughout
the
situation.
Then
then
it
would
probably
work
when
we're
all
finding.
A
Well,
I
think
that's
a
really
really
good
point
that
we
need
to
keep
in
mind.
You
know
and
my
suspicion
is
well
first
off
we're.
Not
gonna
spend
all
this
time
what
we
could
be
doing
something
else,
but
not
doing
something.
I
mean
I.
Think
the
expectation
is.
This
committee
is
going
to
come
forward
with
a
set
of
recommendations
that
are
implementable
and
that
some,
if
not
all,
will
be
implemented,
I
mean
that
we
are
we're
gonna,
do
something
what
it
looks
like
I,
don't
know
I'm
gonna
hand
it
over
to
Alan.
A
So
I
saw
how
to
stand
up.
Then
I'm
gonna
make
a
suggestion
as
I
see
we're
into
our
hour
and
for
those
of
you
and
new
to
this
committee,
I
guess
the
good
and
bad
news
is
having
me
as
a
chairman
and
me
being
there
as
I
try
to
keep
all
my
meetings
all
our
meetings
to
an
hour
or
there
abouts
to
be
respectful
of
your
time.
We
got
a
lot
of
work
to
do
we're
not
gonna
get
it
all
done
tonight.
So
our
is
our
number
allagadda.
L
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much.
I
just
wanted
to
mention
something
that
Keith
brought
up,
which
is
that
our
work
on
King
Street,
predated,
Kovach,
19
and
the
reason
why
that
came
through
was
the
mayor
did
a
walk
and
Meg
and
her
group
have
been
looking
at
it
for
a
little
while,
and
it
was
just
kind
of
a
thought.
L
Can
we
replicate
what
we're
doing
down
south
of
Calhoun
at
maybe
one
night
a
month
north
of
Calhoun,
because
what
we
were
seeing
was
a
lot
of
sidewalk
congestion
tech,
particularly
at
night
and
kind
of
pedestrian
and
automobile
conflicts
that
that
caused,
particularly
as
pedestrians,
try
to
cross
in
the
middle
of
the
block,
and
you
know
ubers
are
trying
to
drop
off,
even
though
that's
opposed
to
things
like
that.
It
gets
very
chaotic,
and
then
we
combine
that
bar
scene
on
the
sidewalk
and
the
queuing
of
lines
with
people
trying
to
walk
by
in
groups.
L
You
have
a
great
deal
of
traffic,
I
mean
a
sidewalk
congestion.
Now,
as
an
urban
designer
I.
Think
sidewalk
congestion
is
a
really
great
thing.
It's
a
signal
of
a
place.
That's
really
working,
but
King
streets.
Pretty
narrow
in
terms
of
its
sidewalks,
and
so
we
had
a
problem
before
the
pandemic,
with
not
having
enough
space
for
people
and
King
Street
was
an
intense
version
of
that.
L
L
The
point
is
that
we
probably
need
to
find
opportunities
to
relax
and,
to
sort
of
you
know,
create
the
mode
shift
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
use
our
city
more
effectively,
and
so
this
is
a
conversation
for
kovin,
certainly,
but
this
is
also
a
conversation
as
Matt
was
alluding
to
you
know
for
how
we
maybe
do
things
with
our
streets
moving
forward
for
the
next
few
years.
You
know
I
see
kind
of
three
areas,
maybe
four,
where
we
can
really
make
a
difference
here
and
all
of
them
were
outlined
by
Keith's
number.
L
One
I
think
we
could
probably
think
about
some
tactical
urbanism
moves
like
curb
extensions
and
things
like
that
to
kind
of
create
a
little
bit
more
sidewalk
space,
particularly
where
there
are
sight
distance
triangles
and
intersections,
where
people
are
naturally
kind
of
stopping
to
wait
for
a
place
to
cross
and
that,
therefore,
you
know
the
locations
where
people
might
congregate
too
closely
together
in
a
pandemic
situation.
The
other
thing
is
to
rethink
how
we're
dealing
with
curbside
space
in
general.
We
did
a
great
job.
L
You
know
with
you
know,
mobilizing
to
allocate
on
street
parking
space
and
look
at
our
loading
zones,
and
things
like
that
to
enable
better
enable
restaurants
to
do
curbside.
Well,
we've
also,
you
know,
found
ways
to
use
those
for
bicycle
parking
in
the
past
and
parklets
are
no
exception
and
parklets
to
me.
Are
there
two
ways
of
doing
those
number?
One
is
a
temporary
parklet?
That's
where
you
get.
L
You
know
some
concerns
about
adjacent
roadway,
traffic
and
speeds
and
a
little
bit
of
danger
and
then
there's
a
more
permanent
park,
but
situation
that's
been
done
in
cities
for
over
a
decade.
At
this
point,
where
they're
actually
constructed
platforms
that
are
physically
separated
from
traffic
and
and
those
are
making
a
resurgence
in
the
in
the
covert
environment
as
well
as
way
to
accommodate
social
distance
and
expand
sidewalk
space,
and
then
finally
is
what
we
should
really
be
talking
about-
is
temporary
street
closure.
L
And
when
we
look
at
street
closure,
we
really
caution
against
any
permanent
Street
closure.
There
was
a
lot
of
permanent
street
closures
and
to
create
pedestrian
malls
in
the
60s
and
70s,
and
a
lot
of
those
didn't
quite
work
out
so
well,
so
you
know
I
would
work
I.
Would
you
know
caution
us
to
not
really
say
that
what
we're
doing
here
is
you
know
for
a
permanent.
You
know
for
permanent
closure
and
I.
Don't
think
anybody
said
that,
but
the
King
Street
work
that
we
did
provides
a
starting
point
to
look
at
ways.
L
A
All
right
so
Keith,
I
I,
know
Keith,
probably
wanted
us
to
sort
of
get
a
little
ahead
of
this
and
get
back
to
Council.
We
have
a
council
meeting
Tuesday.
The
good
news
is
for
this
committee
and
the
bad
news
for
those
of
us
of
sin
and
city
councils.
We've
just
expanded
our
schedule
over
the
summer
to
add
a
meeting
in
June
and
a
meeting
in
July,
so
I
think
Keith.
Before
our
first
meeting
in
June,
we
can
have
a
tea
and
tea
meeting.
A
What
I
would
suggest
is
this
I
heard
your
vase
a
homework
and
I've
got
a
thought
about.
That
I
mean
we've
all
talked
about
our
ideas
and
the
whole
idea.
There's
a
low-hanging
fruit
out
there
and
I'm
sure
everyone
has
a
different
thought
about
what
a
recommendation
from
this
committee
might
look
like,
and
what
individual
recommendations
might
look
like.
What
I
would
suggest
is
that
everybody
on
this
committee
spend
some
time
thinking
about
that
will
compile
it
through
Keith
and
we'll
have
another
meeting
sooner
rather
than
later.
A
I
know
by
ordinance
we're
only
meeting
every
what
corridor
a
month,
but
we
can
up
that
a
little
bit
and
before
not
next
week's
council
meeting,
but
there's
one
a
week
and
a
half
after
two
weeks.
After
that
we
will
come
with
a
set
of
recommendations
and
a
white
paper
to
the
TMT
committee.
Does
that
sound
like
a
reasonable
time
frame?
I
just
don't
see
us
doing
it
tonight
and
I
don't
want
to
rush
it,
because
that
would
be
a
mistake.
A
G
I
A
B
M
M
You
thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
to
everyone
who
is.
It
was
great
to
hear
everybody's
promise
and
just
in
the
interest
of
time,
I'd
be
a
definitely
I'm
supportive
of
everything
that's
been
said.
I
would
like
us
to.
You
know.
Maybe
I'd
love
to
hear
about
what
some
of
the
ideas
for
the
Upper
Peninsula
are
that
the
Design
Centre
has
and
also
consider
some.
M
Obviously,
and
as
majima
pointed
out,
we
still
need
to
give
the
public
an
opportunity
to
comment
on
all
of
this,
but
if
there
is
at
least
a
vote
of
support
for
these
efforts
that
can
come
out
of
committee
so
that
we
can
say
look
you
know,
we
are
very
much
interested
in
doing
this
and
we're
meeting
again
to
put
forth
some
more
specific
recommendations
that
this
is
not
something
that
we're
coming
out
of
this
meeting
with
nothing,
because
we
you
know,
we
don't
think
this
is
an
important
issue.
Some.
A
Think,
that's
a
that's
a
good
point.
I
think
the
fact
what
I
do
see
from
playing
Hollywood
scores
with
you
all
that
we
have
at
least
one,
if
not
two
members
of
the
press
that
are
listening
in
on
this,
one
of
whom
has
been
very
active
in
writing
about
this
and
I.
Think
it's
very
clear
from
the
comments
have
been
made
around
screen
table
virtual
table
that
we
are
very
interested
in
doing
something.
A
In
fact,
I
think
one
of
the
first
comments
was:
let's
do
something
now
and
give
us
homework
so
and
we'll
get
Keith
to
do
an
executive
summary
will
report
I
for
Matt
will
report
out
to
City
Council
on
Tuesday
that
we
are
determined
to
do
something
and
it
is
our
charge
to
bring
recommendations.
That's
what
we've
been
charged
to
do
and
I
don't
hear
anybody
saying
we
don't
accept
that
charge,
so
I
don't
want
to
vote
on
something.
There's
nothing
to
vote
on.
I
do
think
by
acclamation.
A
We
can
report
out
that
this
committee
is
committed
to
making
recommendations
back
to
Council
that
are
serious,
serious
minded
or
implementable
and
will
be
something
that
we
would
take.
We
would
hope
the
council
will
take
seriously
and
again
by
agreeing
to
get
back
together
again
before
committing
I
see
a
thumbs
up
over
there.
Great
that's,
that's
what
I,
intend
and
I
think
we,
as
a
committee
should
do
and
I
think
my
charge
is.
A
G
If
I
ask
just
as
far
as
from
a
not
that
I'm
a
business
owner
advocate
or
anything
like
that,
so
I'm
not
purporting
to
speak
for
them,
but
just
to
get
a
sense
of
the
of
the
timeline
that
we're
working
on
yeah
and
knowing
that
business
owners
are
like
I,
said,
hemorrhaging
money
right
now
and
I
think
a
lot
of
them
are
expecting
some
some
sort
of
pilot
projects
to
come
out
of
this
to
assist
somewhere.
How
long
do
you
think,
let's
say
everything
goes
positively?
G
City
Council
takes
our
recommendations,
says
yes,
staff
go
forth,
implement
a
pilot
project.
How
long
staff
members
on
this
call?
Do
you
think
it
would
take
you
all
to
turn
something
around
also
recognizing
that
we
all
will
need
to
help
you
turn
something
around
and
get
it
implemented
on
it
on
a
street
segment.
I'm.
A
Gonna,
protect
it
a
little
bit
under
this
and
say
that
it
depends
what
the
recommendations
are
and
I
don't
want
them
to
come
out
and
say
a
day
a
week
a
month.
The
penny,
how
broader
recommendation
we
make
I
mean
if
its
closing
a
segment
on
the
street
a
partial
or
partially,
it
will
be
much
quicker
than
if
it's
doing
something
that
takes
infrastructure
right.
A
So
I
think
that
everyone
recognizes
that
in
the
days
that
we
live
in,
that
being
nimble
and
quick
is
good
and
we've
been
we've
shown
as
a
city,
actually
that
we
are
pretty
nimble
and
quick
I
mean
with
the
outdoor
dining.
We
did
it
quickly.
It's
in
the
process
of
getting
in
place,
so
I
don't
think
that
we're
going
to
come
up
with
anything.
It's
gonna
be
that
complicated,
so
we
can
do
it
pretty
quickly
and
as
the
people
that
are
out
here
to
help
do
that
from
interfacing
with
the
public.
A
I
also
do
think
that
having
another
meeting
thinking
out
loud
and
getting
notice
of
that
meeting,
so
we
can
allow
businesses
to
get
involved
in
this
conversation
because
as
many
businesses
who
want
us
to
do
some
things
that
take
away
or
take
away
but
give
more
opportunities
to
mobility-
and
you
know
allow
streets
to
be
open
more
to
other
things
other
than
cars.
There
are
some
people
who
don't
have
great
thoughts
about
that
and
we
need
it.
They
need
to
be
heard
for
sure.
F
G
B
We
could
also
council
has
done
their
due
diligence
to
give
this
committee
the
opportunity
to
send
a
recommendation
right,
we're
not
sitting
at
a
recommendation
right
now,
there's
an
opportunity
to
do
so
right.
So
that's
the
Avenue
to
then
activate
city
staff
to
be
able
to
execute
right.
Avenue
right
now
is
that
a
recommendation
comes
out
of
this
committee
to
to
traffic
and
transportation
their
deliberation
from
there
to
the
full
council
and
get
a
cosine
as
well
there,
and
then
that
activates
assess
as
staff
to
execute.
Oh.
But
you
know
thank
you.
B
Of
the
to
the
curbside
in
a
smaller
way,
because
that
cost
little
to
nothing
and
was
with
something
that
my
staff
do
all
the
time
put
up
sighs,
that's
that
ended
up
itself
was
still
four
different
departments
coming
together,
figuring
out.
What
was
what
people
putting
away
other
priorities
and
saying,
let's
figure
this
out
right,
and
so,
but
that
was
activated
and
once
we
got
the
go-ahead,
you
know
from
another
wise
so
that
the
opportunity
and
the
expediting
of
this
begins
with
this
committee
and
what
you
all
recommend
to
council
so.
A
A
F
Have
so
much
more
data
now
and
so
many
data
points,
so
that
will
really
inform
a
lot
of
the
decisions.
I
don't
want
to
belabor
this,
but
the
educator
and
the
daughter
of
educators
in
me
is
coming
out.
All
I
want
to
say
is
that
we
need
at
least
a
consistent
structure
with
which
this
information
is
collected
so
that
we're
all
starting
on
the
same
basis.
As
far
as
what
we
report
about
our
ideas
and
I
see
a
couple
of
headshake,
so
I
can
take
here.
I
go
making
more
work
for
myself.
A
I
see
Alan
say
that's
fine,
I
mean
that's,
not
a
bad
idea.
That's
a
fact.
It's
a
good
idea,
just
sort
of
give
some
structure
to
your
thought
process
don't
be
limited,
though,
if
you
think
of
things
that
go
beyond
any
form,
do
it
just
we
got
to
be
nimble
on
this
one
I
got
a
move,
I
mean
we
got
to
get
something
out
there
and
get
people
thinking,
so
we
can
get
back
to
it
pretty
quickly.
M
M
Are
there
areas
that
sections
of
King
Street
that
we
should
you
know
in
Katy
to
that?
Some
of
us
should
just
you
know,
get
on
the
phone
and
call
on
those
business
owners
and
engage
their
temperature.
Some
of
them
are
responding,
obviously
getting
involved.
Others
may
not
I
mean
so
you
know.
Can
we
get
into
collecting
data
at
first
hands
I.
A
Think
we've
already
got
that
resource
in
Meg
because
she
is
interfaced
with
the
Kingston
crowd
a
lot
and
if
you've
got
questions,
I
would
suggest
emailing
or
calling
Meg
before
you
start
engaging
business
owners,
because
I
I
feel
very
confident
that
she's
gonna
have
an
answer
for
you
on
a
particular
business
and
their
views
of
the
world.
I
can.
H
B
Yes,
I'm
preparing
to
send
out
to
you
all
or
the
chairs,
request
the
two
upper
comments
and
then
also
a
PDF
of
my
presentation
right
and
I
just
hit
me
I'll.
Send
you
the
the
notes
with
the
links
in
there
too
and
then
on
tomorrow's
work,
with
my
staff
about
scheduling
to
get
with
you
all
and
just
make
sure
we're
good
to
go
for
for
a
June
date.
A
I
A
In
the
future,
because
we
write
one
meeting
in
June,
we
added
a
second
one
over
the
objection
of
some
of
us,
including
me,
so
we're
having
a
pretty
early
June
meeting.
I
I.
Think
it's
June,
9,
okay,
perfect,
so
the
other
thing
I
would
say
is
you're
doing
your
homework.
It's
it's
a
little
bit
like
you
know.
If
you
decide
to
run
for
office
and
your
next-door
neighbor
tells
you
don't
do
it?
Don't
ask
your
neighbors.
A
Ask
the
people
you
see
every
day
what
your
idea
is
with
your
idea
see
what
they
think
of
them,
because
that
will
be
a
pretty
good
indication
of
what
people
are
thinking
out
there
because
look
Charleston
has
not
been
one.
That's
been
fast
to
change
on
all
this
and
time
to
do
it.
So,
let's
go
see
what
we
can
do.
A
A
Ok
with
that
I'm
gonna
call
for
us
to
adjourn
a
little
later
than
we'd
like
to
will
it
look
to
here
for
Keith
tomorrow,
we'll
put
together
a
general
sort
of
thought
process
form
for
ideas
to
submit
we'll,
do
it
as
a
clearinghouse
and
look.
We
all
know
how
to
find
each
other
bounce
ideas
off
each
other.
That's
great!
A
The
only
thing
we
can't
do
is
meet
as
a
group
officially
without
putting
out
there
publicly,
but
you're
certainly
free
to
talk
too
much
yourselves
and
share
your
ideas,
and
if
we
can
come
up
with
some
thoughts
that
our
consents
of
thoughts
before
our
next
meeting,
fantastic
that'll
be
great
and
I'm
sure
there'll
be
others
that
will
be
in
your
ear
about
it
too.
Like
I
said,
I
can
see
who's
listening
and
tonight,
so
we'll
be
hearing
from
some
public
people
from
people
from
the
public
on
quite
certain.