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From YouTube: City of Charleston Council Budget Workshop 11/24/20
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City of Charleston Council Budget Workshop 11/24/20
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Had
such
a
shortfall
in
revenue
on
many
fronts
on
business
licenses
on
parking
revenues
on
hospitality
fees
of
every
kind?
So
that's
really
what
got
us
here,
but
the
the
one
thing
we
talked
about
at
our
last
workshop
meeting
and
prior
to
to
bringing
the
budget
before
you
not
today,
but
a
week
from
today,
we'll
bring
first
reading
of
of
a
budget
to
you
officially
is
to
talk
a
little
more
about
the
expense
side.
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I
Sorry,
I'm
just
starting
out
with
what
our
budget
is.
Currently
you
know
we
had
gone
over
this
last
time
includes.
Fifty
percent
of
loss
includes
three
mil
increase
does
not
include
a
cola,
does
not
include
a
furlough
pay
reduction
for
employees
and
we're
still
utilizing
5.29
million
in
fund
balance
to
balance
the
budget
and
that's
kind
of
what
it
looked
like.
I
So
our
budget
challenges,
you
know
we
had
14.6
million
dollar
deficit,
which
we
covered
by
the
property
tax
increase
and
and
fund
balance.
I'm
glad
that
my
computer's
doing
crazy
things.
Sorry,
and
without
that
property
tax
increase,
we
would
need
to
make
additional
cuts
of
8.6
million
and
a
furlough
or
pay
reduction
that
we
had
talked
about
would
be
2.1
million
dollars.
I
So
I
sent
you
all
a
lot
of
documents
on
sunday,
night
and
even
last
night
that
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
go
over
those
or
how
you
want
to
how
you
want
to
do
that,
but
one
of
them
was
a
general
fund
budget
comparison
by
object
code,
which
kind
of
showed
the
increases.
I
think
some
of
you
were
concerned
with
some
of
the
increases
and
why
I
can
share
that.
If
you
want
to
go
over
that
whatever
you
would
like
me
to
do,
I
can
pull
that
up.
I
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C
I
Okay,
can
you
see
that
we
can't
okay,
sorry
about
that?
The
one
thing
I
didn't
have
open.
So
just
the
2020
approved
budget
versus
the
2021
draft
budget.
You
had
some
concerns
about
some
of
the
increases
and
really,
though
we,
this
was
the
explanation
for
the
for
those
items.
Do
you
have
any
specific
questions
about
that.
I
So
you'll
see
most
of
the
salary
increases
are
just
the
prior
cola
and
step
increases
mostly
for
our
sworn
employees
as
well,
and
then
we
had
the
provision
for
salary
increases,
which
was
a
cola
last
year
and
no
cola
this
year.
So
that's
a
reduction
of
three
million
dollars
and
then
salary
savings
we
upped
by
3.3
million
dollars
as
well,
so
that
was
a
reduction
and
so
really
the
overall
personnel
went
down
by
1.6
million
dollars
and
then
for
all
of
the
fringes
here
because
of
retirement
system
and
health
care.
C
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I
I
And
then
on
to
operating
the
specialized
department
supplies.
That's
mostly
the
body
worn
cameras
for
our
police
officers.
Some
additional
hazmat
increases
for
their
their
special
team
utilities.
It's
just
utilities.
I
mean
we
didn't,
have
a
lot
of
control
over
that
and
then
professional
and
contractual
services
is
all
of
those
things
that
identified
there.
If
you
have
any
specific
questions.
I
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M
Thanks
amy,
I
had
a
couple
questions
about
some
of
the
items
we
just
went
over
first
on
the
insurance
premium
increase,
I'm
assuming
that's
through
the
irs.
Is
that
that's
correct?
Okay?
So
that's
so
that's
a
state
insurance
reserve
fund
that
is
dictating
premiums
to
the
city
of
charleston.
Is
that
correct
that.
M
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So
we
are
really
getting
our
bang
for
the
buck,
with
our
two
new
hires
and
they've
only
been
on
the
job
since
september,
and
so
some
of
this
money,
I'm
sure,
is
including
some
of
those
those
personnel
but
we're
doing
remarkably
well
and
addressing
a
something
I
would
I
want
to
overstate
that,
but
something
that
was
just
had
to
be
taken
care
of
immediately
with
cases
that
were
so
old
that
we
were
not
managing
that
system
very
well.
So,
in.
N
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O
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O
And
they
would
have
to
pay
for
parking
right
how
about
travel?
There
was
a
couple
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
there
for
travel
expenses.
Are
we
expecting
that
to
be
less
than
that,
and
that's
just
more
or
less,
you
know
kind
of
a
high
number
and
we
expect
it
to
be
less
or
I
mean
with
covet.
I
have
to
imagine:
there's
not
gonna
be
much
traveling
going
on.
I
Your
pro,
we
did
reduce
travel,
but
most
of
that's
for,
like
police
and
fire
and
other
in,
like
our
legal
office
that
has
to
have
some
sort
of
cpe.
Like
I'm,
a
cpa
I
have
to
have,
I
have
to
have
hours
as
well
for
cp,
so
those
are
really
the
required,
and
most
of
us
do
things
online.
It
doesn't
include
traveling
out
anyway,.
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C
So
if
I
may
just
interject
about
the
parking
question,
councilmember
griffin,
most
of
those
parking
fees
we
pay
back
to
ourselves,
so
if
we
weren't
paying
them,
we
wouldn't
see
the
revenue
on
the
enterprise
fund
side
for
parking.
Admittedly,
you
could
charge
charge
our
employee
to
pay
for
parking,
but
if.
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I
It
gave
you
the
full
budget,
but
then
kind
of
broke
out
by
category
sort
of
in
terms
of
it
was
public
safety.
If
it
was
a
contract
things
like
that,
so
you
knew
exactly
where
you
could
cut.
If
you
remember
that,
but
just
to
kind
of
go
over
all
of
that.
The
percentage
across
the
board
cut
applied
equally
doesn't
always
work,
and
let
me
just
show
you
why
I'm
saying
that,
because
I
want
to
show
you
this.
H
I
This
was
the
this
was
something
that's
you
all
of
you,
that
kind
of
went
by
the
budgets
and
the
increase
and
then
put
it
all
by
public
safety,
maintenance,
budgets,
travel,
training,
contracts,
debt.
So
out
of
that
number
here
you
can
see
which
which,
where
you
can
make
cuts
and
where
you
can't
make
cuts,
was
really
what
this
spreadsheet
was
was
trying
to
show
you.
H
I
So
just
like,
I
said
across
the
board,
because
if
you
have
that
would
have
some
undesirable
consequences
or
some
restrictions
that
aren't
controlled
by
us
percentage
cut
to
remaining
controllable
items.
To
achieve
the
same
dollar,
amount
of
savings
becomes
much
higher,
which
is
what
I
was
trying
to
show
in
that
spreadsheet.
When
you
go
across
fuel,
we've
already
reduced
it
by
25
cents,
a
gallon.
You
have
to
watch
the
the
what
the
what's
going
on
in
the
world.
I
Basically
with
the
gas
prices
going
up
and
down,
and
then,
if
you
wanted
to
further
reduce
it,
you
know,
then
we
might
be
required
to
park
vehicles
and
things
like
that
which
would
have
some
impact
to
police
fire
and
environmental
services
insurance.
Like
I
talked
about
tort
insurance
went
up
so
much
this
year
by
five
hundred
thousand
dollars,
mostly
for
sworn
police
officers,
and
it
can't
be
building
insurance,
obviously
can't
be
reduced
without
selling
those
properties.
I
I
I
We'd
really
just
need
to
look
at
those
and
see
if
there
is.
If
there
is
anything
that
we
can
do
to
get
out
of
those
leases
sort
of
same
with
mou's
and
contracts,
would
we
have
to
renegotiate
or
could
we
terminate
them
without
fancy
travel
and
training?
We
can
reduce,
but
not
completely,
eliminate,
like,
I
said,
a
lot,
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
need
to
have
travel
or
any
some
training
for
their
jobs
like
please,
fire
legal.
Well,
a
lot
of
us
have
requirements
for
our
licenses,
which
is
part
of
our
our
job.
I
Can
our
job
descriptions
public
safety,
this
column?
That
column
only
includes
mission,
direct
budget
items
related
directly
to
their
emergency
response
mission
reductions
could
affect
their
current
readiness
and
ability
to
respond
appropriately
and
restricting
purchase
of
items,
puts
them
at
a
higher
risk
of
energy
of
injury
maintenance
budgets
too.
We
could
cut
some
from
maintenance,
but
then
you
know
have
a
deferred
maintenance
problem,
as
it
is
right
now.
We'll
just
be
exasperating
that
problem.
I
You
know
we
had
a
lot.
We
deferred
it
a
lot
during
the
first
recession,
so
we've
been
trying
to
slowly
build
that
back
up
so
that
we're
taking
better
care
of
our
buildings
and
if
we
did
that,
it's
just
going
to
cost
us
more
later
to
fix
everything
so
councilmember
griffin,
this
is
kind
of
professional
and
service
contracts.
I
So
it's
not
just
studies
and
things
like
that
that
are
in
there.
It
includes
all
the
software
licenses
and
maintenance
agreements
for
hvac
and
mechanical
systems,
security
services
for
city
hall,
municipal
court,
our
fire
and
security
alarm
services,
our
annual
external
audit,
which,
if
you
don't
want
to
have
that
that's
fine,
I'm
kidding
I'm
really
just
kidding
on
that.
One.
I
We
need
it
maintenance
agreements,
the
the
garbage
and
trash
pickup
contract
for
daniel
island
at
outer
west
ashley
landscaping
and
maintenance
contracts,
janitorial
and
cleaning
contracts
for
prosecutors
and
public
defenders
from
the
municipal
court,
and
all
of
all
of
these
items
are
all
included
in
professional
service
contracts.
So
I
know
we
look
at
that.
We
think
we
can
cut
a
lot
some
of
those
things
we
actually
absolutely
need,
like
software
licenses,
etc.
I
H
I
Why
can't
I
see
where
most
of
that
is,
so
I
don't.
I
don't
know
that
we
put
a
anything
in
that
line
item.
I
don't
know
why
anyway,
so
there's
1.8,
probably
yes,
that
I
mean
you
can
look
at
it.
You
can
look
at
every
single
one
of
those
things
and
decide
what
you
want
to
do,
but
I
mean
we
need
software
licenses
and
things
like
that.
We
can.
I
O
It's
not
your
fault.
This
is
why
I
wanted
the
ad
hoc
to
be
a
committee
of
the
whole,
because
we
have
the
ad
hoc
committee
that
feels
one
way
about
what
we
should
do
and
the
members
that
aren't
on
the
ad
hoc
have
expressed
a
different
sentiment.
So
that's
what
seems
to
be
kind
of
the
dilemma
here
is
if
we
would
have
had
it
as
a
committee
of
the
whole,
we
could
have
maybe
figured
some
of
this
stuff
out
earlier.
N
Precluded
from
attending
any
of
the
ad
hoc
committee
meetings
at
all,
the
meetings
were
banned
by
folks
who
were
assigned
to
the
committee,
but
other
people
who
were
not
on
the
committee
periodically
showed
up
and
offered
their
opinions
and
suggestions.
We've
been
doing
this
since
june
of
this
year,
as
I
understand.
K
O
It
just
doesn't
wouldn't
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
me
to
start
doing
the
maintenance.
Now
when
we've
deferred
it
when
times
are
good
and
start
doing
maintenance
when
times
are
bad.
I
think
the
bigger
issue
is
we're
in
the
real
estate
business
and
we
shouldn't
be-
and
I
hope
we're
going
to
get
to
that
point.
I
know
amy.
I
think
you've
got
some
slides
on
that,
but
we
we've
got
properties
that
we
can't
maintain
and
as
a
private
business
person.
I
understand
that
if
you
can't
maintain
your
properties,
you
probably
shouldn't
own
them.
I
I
And
then
also
in
considering
that
approximately
70
80
percent
of
the
revenue
budgeted
for
recreation
would
be
effective
if
we
were
to
reduce
part-time
and
temporary
stuff.
So
we
just
need
to
take
that
into
consideration
as
well.
When
we're
in
balancing
the
budget.
Does
anybody
have
any
other
questions
about
a
part-time
and
temporary
employees?.
H
L
I
Okay
and
then
there
was
some
questions
about
overtime
as
well.
The
majority
of
our
overtime
lies
in
our
police
and
fire
departments,
as
you
can
see,
fire's
at
one
point,
almost
1.9
and
police
is
at
one
and
actually
year-to-date
police
have
1.8,
because
obviously
they
had
a
had
a
rough
summer,
so
they're
well
over
budget
for.
I
O
H
O
I
I
If
we
were
in
some
type
of
like
we
were
in
2020,
where
we're
having
you
know
a
a
revenue
problem,
then
you
would
use
that,
as
a
last
resort
tactic,
make
up
for
the
revenues
that
you
aren't
collecting
and
keep
in
mind
too.
With
the
way
the
property
tax
is
work
and
each
property
tax
revenue
from
that
sale
would
probably
delay
a
year.
I
And
then
we
don't
have
councilman
griffin.
I
mentioned
this
last
time
we
don't
have
current
appraisals,
so
we
would
have
to
get
those
appraisals
before
anything
was
sold
and
there's
about
fifteen
hundred
dollars
just
to
let
you
know
that,
and
I
will
share
that
spreadsheet-
that
I
sent
to
all
of
you.
C
If
we
were
to
sell
something
in
2021,
we
could
recognize
that
income
after
the
sale
is
completed
and
make
an
adjustment
or
an
amendment
to
our
budget.
As
you
know,
in
2020
we
amended
our
budget
based
upon
a
lot
of
things
happening,
so
we
we
have
been
looking
to
see
if
we
have
any
excess
properties
and
and
council
member
waring,
if
you
don't
mind,
sharing
what
what
it
was.
C
P
P
it
hadn't
kept
pace
with
inflation.
They
had
already
fixed
their
budget
for
this
year,
so
they
had
a
very
attractive
piece
of
land.
Frankly
that
fronts
on
the
battery
that
they
had
had
as
a
lay
down
area.
Frankly,
so
a
major
manhole
that
connects
there,
because
the
department
of
transportation
has
now
turned
those
streets
over
to
the
city.
P
The
city
has
the
right
to
if
they
ever
have
to
go
and
do
any
maintenance
work
to
allow.
You
know,
blockage
of
those
streets
until
they
complete
their
work.
The
need
for
a
lay
down
area
isn't
needed
anymore,
so
they're
going
to
put
that
property
off
the
sale
and
it's
in
excess
of
two
million
dollars
and
when
it
sells
we're
going
to
split
that
proceeds,
50
50..
When,
when
that's
going
to
happen,
we
don't
know,
there's
a
neighbor,
that's
really
interested
but
we'll
see,
but
we
feel
the
property
itself.
P
So
there
should
be
seven
figures:
low
seven
figures
coming
into
the
city,
which
will
you
know
we
can
use
towards
reduction
of
any
tax
increases.
We
did
pass
it.
I
did
have
one
other
thing,
mr
mayor,
going
by
amy.
Did
we
do
we
transfer
any
monies
from?
I
thought
we
did
from
stormwater
to
the
to
the
general
fund?
Half
a
million.
O
I
P
That's
it
okay!
Well,
mr
mayors,
you
know
they're
they're
cpw
is
working
these
numbers
for
us,
but
there
may
be
some
found
money
if
you
will,
and
every
anytime
somebody
shuts
off
their
water
bill.
You
know
cpw
bills,
stormwater
fees
for
us
every
time,
somebody
shuts
off
their
water
bill
or
gets
cut
off
for
not
paying
a
bill
and
they
subsequently
cut
it
back
on.
P
Cpw
doesn't
have
a
mechanism
to
say
well,
we'll
cut
your
water
on,
but
you
have
to
pay
your
stormwater
fee.
In
effect,
the
city
has
been
eating
that
this
cpw
will
cut
the
water
back
on
and
that
rare
engine
stormwater
fees
has
just
been
building
over
the
years
or,
for
example,
if
if,
if
I
live
in
charleston
and
I
own
a
wonderful
property
in
washington
dc-
and
I
want
to
go
stay
there
for
four
months,
so
I
shut
my
water
off
here
and
then
cut
the
water
on
obviously
in
dc.
P
In
that
case,
the
city
doesn't
get
the
storm
water
fee
for
four
months.
Until
I
return
well,
that's
happening
all
over
the
city
and
by
the
time
you
add
that
up
and
when
you
add
properties
that
hadn't
paid
for
a
while
you're
going
to
find
more
than
seven
figures
there,
so
that'll
be
money
coming
in
now
amy.
I
don't
know
whether
we
can
the
500
000
that
comes
from
general
fund
to
drainage.
P
P
Okay,
but
I
think,
mr
mayor,
you
could
chime
in
on
that,
but
I
think
sometimes
this
year
I
mean
next
year
in
21,
certainly
before
we
have
to
make
final
figures
to
you
know
the
county
on
our
milli,
we'll
know
what
those
revenue
figures
are.
We
all
know
what
the
real
estate
is
going
to
be
and
we'll
know
what
the
revenue
figures
are.
So
we
I
agree
with
with
amy.
P
C
C
G
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
just
a
couple
of
quick
points.
I
I'm
not
going
to
be
too
long
on
this
on
the
sale
of
the
properties.
I
get
that
and
with
all
due
respect
to
council
member
griffin.
This
is
not
something
that's
new
that
we
just
started
talking
about.
We've
had
a
lot
of
conversations
about
this
and
what
benefit
we
can
get
from
selling
properties
that
we
don't
necessarily
use,
and
we
we
lose
some
opportunities.
I
mean
the
three
opportunities
we
lose
for
buildings
that
are
sitting
out
there.
G
G
One
of
the
questions
we're
going
to
be
asked
is
whether
or
not
to
roll
back
the
local
option,
sales
tax,
that's
a
funding
question
based
on
revenues
and
expenses
that
are
being
put
forward,
and
so
I
think
you
know
this
is
a
conversation
we
need
to
continually
have
not
just
for
budget
period
2021,
but
for
2022,
2023
and
the
sale
of
properties.
One
things
amy
put
up:
there
is
there's
some
of
them
that
are
that
are
restricted
because
of
grants
that
we
got
and
all
that
we
need
to
look
through.
G
All
of
them,
like
the
maritime
center,
is
a
perfect
example.
We
bought
a
lot
of
that
with
grant
money.
That
does
have
some
restrictions
on
transfer
and
if
there
is
a
transfer,
some
of
that
grant
money
has
to
go
back
to
the
grand
tour.
But
again
if
we
took
that
off
of
our
expense
goals,
and
we
have
huge
expenses
over
there
and
put
on
the
tax
goals.
G
Even
if
we
didn't
realize
a
bunch
of
cash
in
the
sale,
it
would
be
a
net
benefit
to
us
long
term,
and
I
think
that's
what
we
need
to
be
thinking
about
is
long
term.
But
for
purposes
of
today-
and
tonight
I
mean-
I
think-
that
we
as
a
group
have
to
look
at
at
sort
of
what's
in
front
of
us
and
figure
out,
as
this
budget
is
put
in
front
of
us.
What
we're
going
to
do
tonight
on
this
local
option
sales
tax-
I
mean,
I
thought
I
think
really,
that's.
G
G
We
then
get
into
a
budget
discussion
after
that
for
the
next
meeting.
So
on
the
properties,
it's
a
long-term
play
that
I
think
we
need
to
start
now
and
and
by
the
way
amy.
Thank
you
for
sending
that
list
with
all
the
appraisals
one
one
of
the
ones
that
I
saw
in
there
is
the
line
street
facility
which
it
looks
like
we
have
on
the
books,
is
acquired
for
fifty
thousand
dollars.
G
For
those
who
don't
know
where
or
what
that
property
is
it's
online
street
near
ash
just
across
the
street
from
a
little
coffee
shop
called
sightsee
coffee,
and
it
is
one
of
the
really
coolest
to
store
maintenance
sheds,
you've,
probably
ever
seen.
But
it's
been
sitting
there
dormant
for
years
and
years
and
years
and
years
there's
been,
a
bunch
of
groups
have
been
interested
in
purchasing
it.
G
But
I
can,
I
can
assure
you
it's
worth
way
more
than
50
000
bucks
and
when
it
gets
on
the
on
the
tax
goals,
it's
going
to
be
worth
a
whole
bunch
more
than
that,
because
it's
a
great
opportunity
for
an
incubator
for
small
retail
for
all
sorts
of
things.
That's
just
one
of
many
examples,
sumar
street
being
another
one.
G
We
know
it
because
revenues
from
from
business
license
fees
are
based
on
looking
backwards,
and
we
already
know
that
it's
been
a
tough
year
in
2020,
so
2021
is
going
to
present
our
same
same
issue
so
presenting
a
budget
for
the
mayor's
office
funding.
It
we're
right
there
now-
and
you
know,
like
I
said
in
a
few
hours,
we're
going
to
vote
whether
or
not
to
roll
back
the
local
option.
Sales
tax
and
my
understanding
is
from
conversations,
could
be
close
votes.
C
G
E
C
Well,
I
appreciate
that
again
if
we
can
realize
a
sale
in
2020
2021,
rather
particularly
before
september,
we
we
could.
It
could
impact
a
amendment
to
next
year's
budget,
but
we
would
have
to
do
that.
So
I
think
that's
an
excellent
suggestion,
and
rather
than
a
go
to
budget
ad
hoc
committee,
that
first
our
real
estate
committee
could
review
it,
go
down
the
list,
see
if
there's
any
low-hanging
fruit.
C
I
just
reported
to
you.
I
think
we
have
a
plan
on
sumar,
but
we
can
discuss
that
further.
I
I
don't
know
that
there
are
many
examples:
council,
member
seeking
there
are
some
and
in
fact
the
the
property
on
line
street
is
a
good
example.
So
you
know
I
know
those
two.
There
could
be
some
more
we'll
we'll.
Let
real
estate
committee
review
those
and
see
if
we
can
come
up
with
a
recommendation
first
of
a
year
to
dispose
of
anything.
We
we
choose
councilmember,
shade.
N
I'm
not
being
articulate
and
expressing
that
right
now.
But
I
will
do
that
at
the
top
at
the
ways
and
means
committee
is
making
a
proposal
for
an
amendment
to
include
the
sentiment
of
counsel
so
that
if
there
is
a
change
in
financial
circumstances,
from
whatever
source
of
our
income
and
our
financial
status,
changes
that
we
we
cut
back
on
that
lost
money
and
maybe,
as
well
as
the
the
millage
increase
as
well.
N
N
If
we
can
make
some
tweaks
of
that
resolution,
I
think
that's
going
to
give
us
a
little
more
flexibility
how
to
use
that
money
and
to
to
reflect
a
sentiment
that
we
want
to
give
back
to
the
taxpayers
everything
that
we
can
to
give
them.
The
relief
that
they're
looking
for
so
I'll
address
it.
That
the
ways
and
means
committee
asked
what
I
proposed
for
amendment
of
that
resolution.
N
K
Thank
you
mayor
and
just
have
two
quick
questions,
and
it's
more
of
just
a
high-level
budget
question
for,
and
I've
received
this
several
times,
and
I
guess
this
will
help
me
understand.
You
know
what
pots
of
money
could
be
used
where
stadium
the
the
led
lights,
I
think,
was
last
year
the
year
prior
there
was
a
three
million
dollar
purchase
now
that
renovation
does
that
have
to
come
through
a
certain
pot
of
money
that
we
have
allocated
for
that
I've
received
this
comment
question
from
several
constituents
about
that
that
cost.
C
Well,
first
of
all,
the
the
three
million
dollars
mentioned
for
volvo
tennis,
please
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
amy
was
not
just
for
led
lights,
it
was
for
a
wide
number
of
long-standing
repairs,
including
rebuilding
the
stairwells
that
had
rusted
out
and
some
other
things.
I
I
I
think
the
light
replacement
was
a
a
minimal
portion
of
that.
We
allocated
that
last
year,
through
our
hospitality
and
or
accommodations
funding.
K
So,
which
is
my
second
part
of
my
question,
is:
are
we
doing
anything
now
in
terms
of
advocating
lobbying
colombia
to
give
them
to
allow
us
greater
flexibility
to
use
some
of
the
money
in
other
ways,
because
I
know
we
are,
you
know
locked
into
some
of
the
uses
of
money?
So
are
we
doing
anything
in
colombia
right
now.
C
Well,
we
I've
been
working
over
the
last
three
years
and
finally
got
past,
thankfully
about
a
month
or
six
weeks
ago,
whenever
it
was
the
ability
to
use
our
city
a
hospitality
funds
for
drainage
purposes
beforehand.
That
was
not
clearly
defined
and
it
is
now
so,
of
course,
the
whole
fund
is
short
for
2021.
C
K
K
Basically,
you
know
very
similar
to
the
federal
cr
continuing
resolution.
We
just
looked
at
we
last
year's
budget
and
plugged
in
those
numbers
from
last
year's
budget,
or
did
we
do
like
a
zero-based
budgeting,
where
we
basically
started
over
and
basically
had
departments
make
budget
requests.
Given
the
financial
situation
that
we're
in
today.
I
We
did
not
start
with
zero-based
budgeting.
They
have
base
budgets
of
things
that
we
know
that
they
typically
need
with
every
year
and
then
they
ask
for
additional
things,
which
was
that
nine
million
dollars
normally
in
other
prior
years
that
number
of
their
additional
quest
request
is
20
million
dollars.
I
O
O
The
general
fund
expenditure
by
object
code-
I
mean
I'm
just
speaking
hypotheticals
here,
because
councilmember
seeking
brought
it
up
well,
what?
If
we
weren't
to
warrant
to
do
the
local
option,
sales
tax
rollback,
you
know
and
yellow
added
up
quickly
in
my
head,
it
looks
like
it's
approximately
five
million
dollars.
O
I
I
If
you
look
over
over
to
the
other
columns,
councilmember
griffin,
that's
why
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
reduce
all
of
it,
because
some
of
them
are
tied
to
things
that
we
can't
cut
this
column.
F,
the
2021
draft
remaining
controllable
expenses.
That's
the
columns
you're
going
looking
you're
going
to
look
at
to
cut
right
there,
which
is
you
scroll
all
the
way
down?
You
know
four
million
dollars.
I
H
H
I
The
1.8,
no,
we
didn't
break
it
out
here.
We
would
have
to
break
that
out
further,
it's
it's
it's
we'd
have
to.
We
have
it
broken
out
separately
that
we
could
send
everybody,
so
you
could
see
exactly
what
they
were
but,
like
I
said,
some
of
them
are
it's
software
licenses.
It's
that
type
of
thing,
so
we'd
have
to
kind
of
cull
that
out
just
all
of
those
things
out
that
we
don't
want
to
get
rid
of
and
show
you
what
that
final
number
was
right.
I
C
So
so
I
was
just
going
to
suggest
if
anybody's
interested
send
them
the
detail
list
to
that,
and-
and
let
me
just
state
in
general
y'all-
that
a
lot
of
scrutiny
both
on
the
departmental
level
and
at
the
budget
and
finance
level
has
gone
into
this
budget.
Everybody's
been
aware
of
the
need
to
to
watch
things
for
2021..
C
I
I
F
I
Furlough,
it's
actually
a
a
percentage
decrease
in
pay,
because
we
that's
how
it
wouldn't
be
paid.
It
would
be
not.
It
would
not
be
unpaid
days
off,
it's
actually
going
to
be
reduction
in
pay,
and
it's
it's.
A
it's
depending
on
your
pay
grade
depends
on
the
percentage.
So
it
goes
from
point
five
percent
in
the
lowest
pay
grades
to
three
percent
in
the
highest
pay
grades.
K
K
I
I
I
In
our
audit,
I
made
sure
that
we
put
more
away
because
I
knew
we
were
in
the
middle
of
a
pandemic
pandemic
and
I
wasn't
sure
and
that
that
actually
helped
us
a
lot
and
also
helped
us
with
our
our
rating
when
we
went
to
the
moody's
in
s
p
for
the
bond.
So
it's
an
important
it's
important
for
us
to
maintain
that.
P
I
Just
have
to
see
how
we
do
at
the
end
of
2020
and
when
we're
going
through
our
audit,
you
know
we,
we
did
a
lot
of
cuts
and
we
did
a
lot
of
things
in
2020
to
to
help
us
so
that
we
weren't,
seeing
obviously
we
balanced
our
budget
again.
So
if
we
do
a
little
bit
better
than
we
had
anticipated
after
our
men
after
we
amended
the
budget,
then
we'll
see
a
little
bit
of
a
to
our
reserves.
I
I
That
would
be
before
yeah.
I
should
have
put
the
amended
in
there.
I'm
sorry.
I
can
get
you
those
numbers
and
then
we
use
we
budgeted
fund
balance
in
these
years
here,
as
you
can
see,
but
we
never
had
to
use
it.
So
we
have
budgeted
fund
balance
before
just
to
help
balance
the
budget,
but
we've
not
had
to
utilize
it
or
use
it.
So
just
so,
you
understand
the
budgeted
use
of
fund
balance,
that's
that's!
When
we
had
budgeted
fund
balance
and
you'll
see
too
in
the
budget.
I
G
H
G
Hey
amy,
I
have
a
quick
question
why
you
got
that
screen
up,
as
I
recall,
2012.
That
was
one
of
those
really
lean
years
that
we
saw
that
was
coming
off
the
back
end
of
a
budget
where
we
furloughed
two
right
and
then
that
year
one
thousand
one
million
one
hundred
five
thousand
of
that
twenty
million.
That
was
the
last
year
of
the
really
bad
economic
down.
H
G
G
Q
Q
Had
we
looked
at
any
efficiencies
that
could
be
gained
from
combining
city
departments
or
anything
of
that
nature,
which
I
know
would
make
up
the
total
deficit?
But
I
think
you
know
the
public
is
looking
for
us
to
kind
of
exhaust
all
options,
and
I
was
wondering
if
anything
like
that
had
been
on
the
table.
C
Look
at
all
comparable
cities,
our
sizes
see
who's
doing
it
that
way
and
whether
that
makes
sense,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
it
wouldn't
really
save
us
any
money.
You'd
still
have
a
public
service
department.
You'd
still
have
a
planning
department.
You
just
move
some
components
of
one
from
one
to
another.
So
all
of
those
kinds
of
discussions
we've
had
have
have
been
just
more
about
a
efficiency
which
sometimes
can
save
you
a
lot
of
money.
But
since
it's
mostly
personnel
just
just
kind
of
changing
around
it,
wouldn't
save
a
lot
of
cash.
I
And
then,
just
from
additional
information
with
our
revenue
structure,
you
know
that
we've
grown
significantly
without
a
lot
of
millage
increases
to
support
it
and
just
to
let
you
know
how
our
how
we
budgeted.
We
went
back
to
1990
and
in
1990
property
tax
revenue
was
64.88
of
the
budget.
Before
loss
was
passed
and
this
year
is
52.78.
I
Last
year
it
was
46.08
percent.
Now
the
city's
been
dependent
on
tourism
revenues
and
our
parking
revenues,
and
obviously
that's
a
lot
of
what
our
problem
is
this
year,
because,
depending
on
the
com
economy,
we
can't
always
rely
on
those
and
so
percentage
of
revenues
by
source
back
to
1990.
This
is
just
a
graph
of
of
this
line.
Here
is
total?
Is
property
tax
as
a
percentage
of
revenue?
I
I'm
just
providing
a
history
of
our
millage
increases,
so
the
yellow
is
actual
operating
increases.
You
can
see
what
we've
done
over
time
and
the
yellow-
and
I
mean
the
blue
and
the
green-
are
just
reassessment
years.
So
you
can
see
our
net
millage
in
90.
It
was
156
20
2021,
it's
84.3
in
berkeley
county.
Well,
then,
you
take
into
consideration
the
tax
credit
factor
and
it's
71.8
and
77.9
for
berkeley
county.
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M
M
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
guys.
Nothing
is
easier
than
to
get
up
here
on
a
zoom
call
or
in
the
newspaper
and
or
on
facebook
and
say
I
don't
like
property
taxes,
nobody
likes
property
taxes,
it's
an
obvious,
easy
statement
to
make.
I'm
gonna
reiterate
the
challenge
that
I
made
to
city
council.
The
last
time
we
all
got
together
on
hollywood
squares.
M
Show
me
the
money.
Show
me
the
specifics:
what
are
you
proposing
we
cut?
The
discussion
about
selling
real
estate
is
a
wonderful
discussion
to
have
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
2021
budget.
Let
me
let
me
underscore
that
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
2021
budget.
That's
not
my
words.
We
heard
amy
wharton
our
cfo
say
that
today,
let's
let's
stop
talking
about
that
right
now,
that's
for
a
future
day.
It's
an
important
discussion
to
have
look
forward
to
having
it.
What
are
we
going
to
cut
it's
either
cuts
or
tax
increases.
M
M
I
think,
if
we're
going
to
make
cuts
to
get
to
where
we
want
to
be
without
having
to
roll
back
the
loss
or
increase
property
taxes,
we
need
to
slash
our
recreation
department
that
that's
the
only
thing
that
I
can
see
in
this
budget.
That
gets
us
to
where
we
need
to
go.
Do
we
need
to
have
an
aquatic
department
or
function
in
the
city
of
charleston
in
2021
right
now,
in
the
middle
of
a
pandemic?
These
are
the
tough
questions.
Can
the
doc
street
theater
go
dark
for
2021?
M
That's
630
000!
These
are
the
discussions
we
need
to
have.
These
are
the
specifics.
I
mean
I
mean,
and
I'm
not
trying
to
like
personalize
this
or
call
this
out,
but
we're
getting
to
that
point
where
we
need
to
start
having
these
frank
conversations,
marie.
Are
you?
Okay,
with
a
one
million
dollar
cut
to
the
daniel
island
recreation
department,
harry
b's
ferry,
you
know
667,
7
000,
I
mean
these
tennis.
I've
got
the
tennis
center.
In
my
district
I
mean
these
are
luxuries,
recreation.
M
You
know
if
the
city
shuts
its
pools
down
or
its
recreation
departments
down.
You
know
the
world's
not
going
to
stop
spinning.
I
mean
that
that
those
are
the
kind
of
conversations
we're
talking
about
or
we
ask
people
to
pay
81
more
a
month
on
a
300
000
house.
These
are
these
are
the
trade-offs
that
we're
talking
about,
but
guys
you
know
it
doesn't
do
any
good
right
now
for
us
to
all
get
together.
M
You
know
on
zoom
or
on
facebook
or
in
the
newspaper,
and
just
say
we
don't
like
taxes,
nobody
likes
taxes,
it
doesn't
take
any
courage
to
say
we
don't
like
taxes,
that's
an
easy
thing
to
say,
but
where
are
the
cuts
coming
from
the
only
place
that
I
see
in
our
budget
right
now?
Where
we
can
make
discretionary
cuts?
Is
our
rec
department?
We
can't
tell
the
state
of
south
carolina
we're
not
paying
our
insurance
premiums.
We
can't,
you
know,
make
up
eight
million
dollars
in
in
paper.
M
You
know
that
we
don't
use
in
a
printer.
I
mean
it's
time
to
get
real
with
real
numbers,
real
programs
and
these
recreation
cuts.
It's
laying
people
off.
That's
where
a
lot
of
this
money
is
when
you
get
to
these
numbers,
but
I'm
ready
to
have
a
conversation
about
slashing
some
of
these
recreation
functions.
It's
a
tough
conversation
to
have,
but
if
we
can
avoid
a
tax
increase,
I
think
it's
something
worth
having,
but
guys.
The
time
for
specifics
is
is
now
it's
actually
late
now,
but
it's
time
to
get
with
it.
J
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
amy
for
all
the
hours
that
she's
poured
into
this,
and
you
know
she's
she's
done
an
amazing
job.
So
thank
you,
but-
and
this
is
a
very
tough
time
for
me
knowing
we
were
as
it
is
for
everybody.
You
know
doing
this
and
I
and
I've
struggled
and
thought
about
it,
but
I
do
want
to
let
y'all
know.
I
think
most
of
you
know
I'm
in
a
unique
business
where
I
see
where
how
local
people
are
affected.
J
Although
people
have
an
option,
they
don't
have
to
purchase
to
me,
but
sometimes
they're
required
to
carry
minimum
liability
limits,
and
you
know
flood
insurance,
sometimes
homeowners,
insurance
and
things
like
that,
and
I
I
can
tell
you
in
the
21
years
that
I've
owned
this
business.
I
have
not
seen
anything
like
the
past
eight
months.
Companies
in
my
industry
did
something
unheard
of
in
may.
J
There
were
people,
that's
policies
were
about
to
be
terminated
and
companies
insurance
companies
went
out
and
gave
these
people
extra
time,
sometimes
two
three
months
extra,
and
then
on
top
of
that
they
went
one
step
further
and
they
gave
back.
They
gave
back
what
what
my
company
called
a
shelter
in
place.
Payback.
They
actually
gave
back
premiums
on
stuff
because
they
knew
people
were
were
struggling
and
those
programs
today
have
come
to
an
end.
They're
done
and
my
office,
like
many
others
in
my
industry,
are
receiving
multiple
calls.
J
Every
day
we
had
them
today
matter
of
fact
where
people
are
begging.
Us
please
give
me
another
week.
Give
me
a
little
more
time
I
get
paid
next
week
or
I
get
paid
on
friday,
and
many
people
are
also
you
know,
they're
at
higher
risk
because
they're
reducing
their
coverages
down
to
the
minimum
possible,
so
they
can
pay
their
bill
and
they're
just
hoping
and
praying
that
they're
not
going
to
be
in
an
accident
or
that
we
have
a
bad
storm
or
some
other
catastrophe
happens.
J
J
You
know
I
can't
do
that
it.
It
is
absolutely
beyond
me
to
be
able
to
do
that.
To
say
that
I
you
know
added
to
the
millage
or,
or
you
know,
roll
back
something
that's
going
to
cause
their
taxes
to
increase
and
to
cause
them
a
bigger
situation.
You
know,
we've
come
out
solutions.
I've
got
some
ideas.
You
know
I
asked
the
question
yesterday:
did
we
receive
anything
when
our
tennis
stadium
was
named
the
volvo
car
stadium
and
my
understanding
is?
J
J
You
know
what,
if
what
if
we
could
bring
in
some
sponsorships
like
that
to
help
make
up
our
deficit,
and
you
know
speaking
of
sponsorships-
I
I
guess
this
may
be
a
question.
If
laurie's
on
the
line,
I
mean,
what
percentage
of
our
recreation
teams
right
now
are
actually
sponsored.
Do
we
have
a
hundred
percent
of
all
the
sponsorships
that
we
have
available?
Are
we
getting
every
possible
dollar
and
who's
in
charge?
Is
there
somebody
within
recreation
and
and
any
other
departments
where
we
get
sponsorships?
J
S
As
you
know,
having
been
in
new
sports
for
a
long
time,
those
are
made
up
of
250
dollar
mom
and
pop
businesses
that
want
their
names
on
the
back
of
t-ball
shirts.
Those
go
all
the
way
up
to
our
amazing
partnership,
with
harris
teeter
and
with
rover
saint
francis
hospitals,
so
we've
brought
in
about
120
000
this
year
and
that's
with
no
staff
devoted
to
it.
That's
athletics
out
there
hustling
to
get
and
create
relationships
and
bring
in
sponsorships.
So
we've
got
field
signs
on
our
youth
fields.
S
We've
got
shirts
that
are
sponsored
and
we've
got
in
some
of
our.
We
got
a
couple
of
printed
things
we
do
where
we
do
some
some
page
offerings,
but
that's
it,
but
that's
we
use
that
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
dollars
and
that's
how
most
of
our
kids
that
play
from
our
inner
city
areas.
That's
how
we
buy
football
equipment,
that's
how
we
purchase
shorts
for
them
to
have
basketball
uniforms.
S
I
mean
that's
how
we
make
it
meet
when
we
charge
a
city
resident
thirty
dollars
to
participate
in
a
10-week
youth
sports
program
and
and
it's
got
a
lot
of
other
costs
to
it.
So
we
have,
we
have
proudly
kept
our
our
fees,
low
and
affordable
for
families,
so
that
all
of
our
families
and
kids
that
are
that
are
hurting
right
now
in
our
community-
can
participate,
there's
plenty
of
options
for
other
families
that
have
lots
of
money
and
they
make
those
choices.
But
we
have
used
sponsorships.
S
C
The
other
place
that
we
do
sponsorships
is
for
our
cultural
affairs
events
and
scott
watson
and
his
team
do
a
pretty
good
job
from
what
I
can
tell
every
time
we
have
mojo
and
piccolo.
We
have
sponsorships
listed
and
all
like
that,
so
scott
couldn't
be
with
us
today
kevin
he
councilmember
sheely.
He
is
on
vacation
and
in
new
york.
So
if
I
remember
the
order,
I
saw
them
councilmember,
griffin,
saccharon
and
then
jackson
well.
S
Interestingly
enough,
we
did
cut
our
numbers
back
a
little
bit
this
summer
ourselves
for
summer
camps,
because
we
wanted
to
make
sure
we
could
safely
have
children
and
staff
working,
but
but
we
also
cut
back
expenses.
We
took
no
field
trips,
we
did.
We
did
food
differently,
so
we
managed
to
make
those
reductions
in
revenue
work
with
the
with
the
the
expenses
our
coved
numbers.
This
fall
with
everything
outdoors.
S
We
were
down
about
a
thousand
kids
and
I
would
say
that
that
was
mostly
tackle
football.
We
weren't
the
only
rec
department
that
didn't
have
tackle
football.
I
know
mount
pleasant
played,
but
north
charleston
and
the
other
areas
around
us
didn't
play
it
either.
So
that's
probably
where
those
children
are
we're
getting
ready
to
go
into
into
winter,
we're
down
about
the
same
900
kids,
which
I'm
a
little
surprised.
S
I
thought
we'd
have
a
few
a
few
more,
not
join
us
since
it's
basketball
primarily
indoors,
but
I'm
going
to
be
real,
honest,
councilmember
sheila.
I
think
our
parents
and
our
community
have
seen
how
safely
we
can
do
things.
We
don't
we
don't
play
around.
We
check
temperatures,
we
wear.
You
have
to
wear
a
mask.
We
limit
participation,
we
make
people
socially
distanced,
but
because
of
that,
we
didn't
have
to
shut
down
anything
this
summer
or
this
fall
to
stop
programs.
J
S
S
S
We've
just
made
some
cuts
like
that
that
we've
made
on
the
pivot
this
year
that
have
allowed
us
to
continue
to
function
without
the
the
general
public
really
noticing
a
decrease
in
services.
But
as
far
as
staffing,
that's
the
most
important
thing
I
can
offer
the
community
I
can.
I
can
safely
put
people
in
swimming
pools
in
summer
camps.
I
can
make
sure
when
people
have
heart
attacks
on
tennis
courts,
that
I've
got
staff
that
are
trained
with
aeds
to
be
there
to
take
care
of
that,
to
call
ambulances
to
take
care
of
situations.
S
We've
got
dx
certification
for
number
of
children
versus
number
of
adults.
I
mean
all
of
those.
Things
are
made
up
in
our
staff,
which
is
to
me
the
most
important
commodity
I
have
so.
The
ability
to
roll
back
staff
won't
won't
be
changed
with
our
numbers,
because
we
have
the
same
number
of
facilities
going.
J
Well,
all
right!
Well,
thank
you
lori.
You
know
I
mean
we're
looking
at
three
million
dollars
worth
of
temporary
employees
and
part-time
employees
and
stuff.
Like
that,
I
mean
I'll,
tell
you.
I
have
two
daughters
that
played
on
the
playgrounds
that
also
played
three
high
school
sports
in
each
of
those
teams
of
sports
teams.
At
west
ashley
high
school
parents
must
volunteer
for
various
game
day
responsibilities.
J
So
if
you
walk
into
a
ladies
ball
game
at
west
ashley
high
school
you're
going
to
have
a
parent
check
you
in
you're,
going
to
have
a
parent
sell
you
that
ticket
at
the
gate,
a
parent
is
going
to
be
the
scorekeeper.
A
parent
is
going
to
keep
the
clock.
A
parent
is
going
to
keep
the
scoreboard.
A
parent
is
going
to
keep
the
books
and
stats,
and
a
couple
of
parents
are
going
to
run.
J
The
concession
stands
there
at
a
high
school
basketball
game,
but
when
you
walk
into
say
bees
landing
we're
going
to
be
paying
somebody
to
run
that
concession
stand,
we're
gonna
be
paying
somebody
to
sit
at
that
front,
desk
and
kind
of
direct
traffic.
We're
gonna
be
paying
a
couple
of
people
to
keep
score
and
run
the
clock
on
each
court.
Of
course,
we're
gonna
be
paying
an
official,
which
I
really
do
believe,
maybe
nine
years
old,
five
years
old,
40
years
old
to
nine
years
old.
J
I
believe
that
a
parent
could
volunteer
and
and
be
an
official
now
when
you
get
to
10
years
old
and
older,
it's
a
different
ball
game,
but
but
I
also
think
that
most
parents
would
understand
that,
if
we're
in
a
bad
budget
year
that
they'll
help
out
just
like
the
high
school
parents,
nobody
even
asks
a
question.
I
mean
parents
are
told
at
those
high
school
games,
you're
going
to
help
participate
or
your
child
will
not
be
playing,
and
I
don't
think
this
will
happen
at
our
parts.
J
J
I
also
believe
that
we've
got
local
civic
clubs,
high
school
service
clubs
and
high
school
students
needing
service
hours.
That
would
jump
in
and
love
to
volunteer
at
a
recreation
program,
knowing
the
needs
that
we
have
right
now,
but
I
do
believe
that
you
know
if
we
made
cuts
in
that
area.
If
our
recreation
department
can
have
a
significant
increase
in
sponsorship
money,
then
hey
that's
a
reward.
We
can
pay
somebody
now
to
come
in
and
do
something
on
a
part-time
basis.
You
know
you
know
I
I
will
tell
you
I
mean.
J
We
could
really
drum
that
up
for
sponsors.
If
we
had
a
need
to
do
it
and
if
and
if
it's
cutting
part-time
people
and
saying
we
get
the
sponsorship
money,
it
goes
right
into
paying
for
those
part-time
people.
I
believe
that
that
we
could
get
that
done
now.
I
also
in
my
business.
I
pay
people
commission
in
my
business,
some
of
them
are
on
salary.
Some
of
them
are
part
salary,
part
commission,
but
with
a
commission
only
structure
we
don't
lose
money.
So
what
if
we
had
somebody
on
a
10.99?
J
We
we
cut
the
part-time
people
and
we
we
have
somebody
on
a
1099
contract,
no
salary
or
benefits
their
job
is
to
find
sponsorships,
and
I'm
not
talking
about
just
recreation,
we're
talking
about
everything.
Every
type
of
sponsorship
from
joe
riley
park
naming
rights
down
to
a
t-shirt,
sponsor,
let's
say
we
paid
him
or
her
ten
percent.
J
They
sell
three
million
dollars
worth
of
sponsorships.
We
take,
we
take
home
2.7
million
and
we
pay
that
person
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
their
work.
We've
lost
nothing.
We've
made,
we've
made
2.7
million
it's
enough
to
bring
back
our
part-time
employees,
but
if
that
person
completely
fails
sells
a
thousand
dollars
worth
of
sponsorships,
we
didn't
lose
anything.
S
S
I
think
that
and
volunteers
are
wonderful
ways
of
doing
that,
but
our
rec
department
and-
and
I
know
your
knowledge
of
sports-
is
great,
but
we're
not
set
up
like
a
high
school.
When
you
walk
in
our
door,
you,
don't
you,
don't
pay
a
penny
to
go
inside
and
shoot
basketball
when
those
kids
have
a
game
at
bees,
landing.
There's
no
admittance
fee
paid
we're
not
we're
not
doing
that,
and
we
don't
pay
people
to
keep
score.
S
When
you
see
somebody
keeping
score
they're
keeping
score
as
a
volunteer,
we
we
don't
have
that
we
use
volunteer
referees
in
the
five
to
eight-year-old
age
group,
just
like
you
said
in
nine
to
ten.
We
start
using
paid
referees,
but
even
some
of
those
are
high
school
students.
So
I
I
would
love
to
show
you
the
differences
in
our
program
and
how
many
children
we
have
that
participate
at
scholarship
level,
where
they're
not
paying
a
penny
to
participate,
but
we're
the
only
choice
they
have.
S
S
So
I
would
welcome
the
opportunity
to
see
this
city
bring
in
additional
sponsorships
and
make
that
work.
But
I
I
I
just
say
to
you
that
your
recreation
department
in
this
city
of
charleston
is
set
up
completely
different
than
a
high
school
or
or
trying
to
bring
in
dollars
we're
just
not
that
we're
not
that
way.
C
All
right,
thank
you
and
thank
you
councilmember
shealy
can
I
can
I
move
on
now
to
a
few
of
the
other
council
members.
Yes,
sir.
Thank
you.
I
respect
all
your
suggestions
and
comments,
and
I
I
do
see
scott
watson
is
on
the
line
with
us
as
well,
but
let's
come
back
to
other
sponsorships
after
we
see
what
else
is
out
there.
As
I
said
a
minute
ago,
I
think
next
griffin,
sacrament
jackson,
council.
O
O
Who's
only
been
on
council
for
about
two
minutes,
so
he
doesn't
understand
that
last
year,
when
we
went
to
talk
about
specific
departments,
we
had
to
be
rushed
into
an
executive
session
because
we
weren't
allowed
to
talk
about
personnel
matters,
so
that
was
very,
very
respectful
of
you,
councilmember
del
chapo,
but
now
that
the
gloves
are
off
the
gloves
are
off.
I
think
we
ought
to
be
looking
at
the
the
mayor's
office.
Let
me
give
you
an
example.
In
2016
the
mayor's
office,
the
total
expenditure
was
803
232.
O
That
was
when
the
transition
happened
between
mayor
riley
and
mayor
teklenberg,
believe
it
or
not.
In
2021
the
number
is
1.4
million.
That's
a
43
increase
over
the
last
five
years.
That's
a
substantial
amount
of
money,
that's
a
bigger
increase
than
any
other
department
that
we
have
so
no
councilmember.
O
Appel,
I'm
not
willing
to
cut
and
slash
our
recreation
department,
but
what
I
would
am
willing
to
do
is
I'm
willing
to
take
the
point
five
to
three
percent
decrease
in
salary
across
the
board
and
I'm
willing
to
make
it
three
percent
to
six
percent,
because
here's
the
thing
everybody
has
suffered,
whether
you're
in
the
private
sector
or
the
public
sector,
everybody
has
suffered,
including
us
that
that
are
on
city
council.
I'm
willing
to
take
it
one
step
further.
O
A
few
months
back,
I
reached
out
to
k,
cross
and
asked
how
I
could
donate
my
salary
for
next
year
and
she
explained
to
me
the
process
now
you're
a
big
time
attorney.
Mr
appellate,
are
you
willing
to
donate
your
salary
for
next
year
done
good?
Maybe
maybe
those
are
the
kind
of
things
we
have
to
do.
It
might
not
be
a
lot
of
money,
but
if
we
all
contribute
a
little
bit
more,
I'm
not
saying
everybody
has
to,
because
some
people
don't
get
to
work.
B
O
I'd
like
to
see
what
a
three
to
six
percent
decrease
in
pay
for
next
year
for
all
salaried
employees
would
look
like
instead
of
0.5
to
3.,
because
every
municipality
around
us
has
done
a
similar
pay
cut.
So
I
have.
I
don't
believe
that
our
our
personnel
would
be
looking
to
leave.
If
that
were
the
case,
I
think
they
would
understand
how
tough
times
are,
and,
frankly,
sir,
we
should
have
done
it
months
ago.
K
C
F
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
I
have
just
a
couple
of
things
to
make
sure
we
have
factual
information
out
on
the
record
because
we
are
being
observed
by
the
public
and
council
member
appel.
I
think
that
you
mistakenly
just
said
81
a
month
as
a
tax
increase
and
and
basically
it's
an
annual
tax
increase
that
we're
talking
about.
F
F
So
we
will
eat
whatever
two
hundred
dollars
a
year
increase
we'll
get
in
our
in
our
little
rental
property
taxes
as
a
six
percent
payer.
The
other
points
that
I
want
to
make,
because
I
know
our
time
is
getting
short
this
afternoon.
First
of
all,
going
back
to
council
member
seeking's
communication
to
us.
F
Basically,
all
we
have
to
decide
tonight
at
our
ways
and
means
committee
is
to
take
a
vote
that
would
give
us
the
option
of
retaining
a
percentage
of
the
lost
taxes
that
we
normally
pass
on
through
to
the
citizens
for
their
property
tax.
Balancing
act.
All
we
have
to
do
tonight
is
say
yes
to
the
to
the
motion.
That's
on
our
agenda
to
give
ourselves
the
option,
because
if
we
cut
it
off
tonight,
then
we
really
are
in
deep
doo-doo
pardon
my
language
for
next
week.
F
We
would
have
to
be
cutting
things
that
we're
not
in
agreement
with
I
mean
I,
I
really
thought
we
left
the
meeting
last
week
saying
that
that
the
people
who
wanted
a
chance
to
weigh
in
and
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
things
line
by
line
we're
going
to
send
us
during
this
past
week.
Some
suggestions
to
be
discussing
you
know
sort
of
together
cogently
today
and
now
we're
hearing
things
just
you
know
for
the
first
time
we
still
have
one
more
week
to
get
our
act
together.
F
But
the
only
thing
we
have
to
decide
tonight
is
to
retain
the
option
to
keep
some
of
the
lost,
the
local
option,
sales
tax
to
balance
the
city's
budget,
and
if
we
don't,
if
we
don't
have
to
keep
it
as
the
year
goes
on,
then
we
can
make
that
decision
and
that's
the
last
point
I
wanted
to
make
mayor
speaking
right
now.
We
have
until
september
to
find
all
of
these
wonderful
ideas
for
money,
savings
and
money,
earnings
that
you
all
are
talking
about
right
now.
I
love
the
idea
of
sponsorships.
F
We
did
that
all
over
northern
virginia.
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
times
the
football
stage,
a
stadium
changed
names.
In
my
in
my
little
town,
we
we.
We
have
great
ideas
that
we're
pr,
finally
bringing
forward
as
a
group
to
each
other,
but
we
have
until
september
to
put
them
into
practice.
We
do
not
have
to
issue
our
tax
increase
information
to
the
county
until
september,
but
we
have
to
balance
the
budget
by
the
end
of
next
month.
F
So
my
I'm
gonna,
unless
you
all
come
up
with
some
suggestions
that
I
can
agree
to
on
the
fly
over
the
next
week.
I'm
gonna
vote
to
adopt
this.
The
mayor's
proposed
budget,
which
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
find
savings
and
revenue
over
the
next
year
until
september,
and
then
god
willing,
will
have
more
money
that
we
know
we
can
substitute
for
the
decisions
that
we
make
this
week
next
week.
F
So
that's
my
that's.
My
appeal
is
that
we
keep
our
options
open.
I
think
intelligent
people
do
that.
I
know
we're
all
smart.
I
think
we
need
to
just
give
give
ourselves
that
opportunity,
keep
our
options
open
and
come
back
next
week,
having
circulated
a
bunch
of
detailed
suggestions
that
you
really
would
like
to
put
into
the
budget
as
we
vote
it
on
tuesday.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
Thank
you,
councilmember,
jackson
and
I'll
add
I
mean
I
spoke
to
councilmember
sheila
yesterday
about
the
sponsorship
idea
and
we
looked
around
already
and
found
that
greenville
the
city
of
greenville
has
a
policy
accepting
sponsorships
and
how
they
value
them
and
they're,
admittedly,
a
lot
more
proactive
about
it
than
than
we
are.
I
don't
I
didn't
find
out
yet
exactly
how
much
income
they
garnered
from
it,
but
it's
certainly
a
more
organized
effort
than
we
have
in
the
city
of
charleston.
It's
a
great
idea.
C
We
can
hopefully
adopt
something
like
that
and
get
more
sponsorship
for
all
kinds
of
things
in
the
city.
I
was
up
in
spartanburg
about
a
month
ago,
I
told
councilmember
she
leave
this
and
I
was
walking
through
a
park.
I
admit
it
was
almost
overkill,
but
every
bench
every
tree
every
trash
can
everything
in
the
park
was
sponsored
by
somebody
and
you
know
they're
they're
helping
to
fray
those
expenses.
C
E
E
E
E
S
Rec
center,
and
so
all
of
our
facilities
being
open
and
able
to
serve
the
public,
are
tied
to
people
and
in
order
to
open
a
building
and
to
safely
run
it
and
monitor
it.
You
know
you've
got
to
have
two
or
three
people
in
there,
depending
on
the
building
and
how
the
size
of
it,
but
so,
if
you
in
a
department
of
220
people,
80
of
those
people
are
full
time,
the
rest
of
our
staff
is
part-time.
S
S
H
E
S
Running
mlk,
swimming
pool
and
council
member
mitchell's
district,
we're
running
it
seven
days
a
week
so
right
now,
we've
got
seniors
coming
in
we've
got
children
coming
in
we've
got
kids
from
the
neighborhood
coming
into
the
weekends,
with
their
moms
and
their
dads.
So
you
would
no
longer
be
running
that
facility
seven
days
a
week.
It
would
be
running
probably
four
days
a
week
at
half
time.
Our
gymnasiums
would
not
be
open
seven
days
a
week.
S
We
would
not
have
the
ability
to
keep
programs
going
at
night,
and
so
you
would,
you
would
definitely
cut
back
after
school
services
we're
going
into
the
holidays,
so
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
offer
some
holiday
programs
for
parents
that
are
working.
We
keep
the
kids
while
school's
out.
So
yes,
there
would
be
a
huge
effect.
S
I
didn't
prepare
to
tell
you
how
much
of
an
effect,
because
I
didn't
really
realize
that
this
discussion
would
be
so
recreation
driven,
but
but
yes,
the
the
idea
that
recreation
is
a
luxury
is,
is
just
not
true.
In
this
municipal
setting
the
only
swimming
pool
that
councilmember
mitchell's
kids
in
his
district
use
is
that
public
pool
the
only
place
that
seniors
go
to
do
water
fitness
in
the
city
of
charleston.
S
Is
it
a
city
pool
the
the
only
place
that
children
that
get
out
of
sanders
clyde
in
the
afternoon
go
to
play
in
a
park?
Is
at
martin
park?
So
I
mean
I
don't
have
the
ability
to
replicate
those
programs.
We
won't
have
the
ability
to
be
open
in
the
evenings
for
teenagers
to
shoot
basketball
you're
talking
about
cancelling
all
your
youth
sports
programs,
so
I
mean
it
the
the
it
would
be
dramatic.
S
C
I
D
Yes,
mr
mayor
and
council
members,
I
spoke,
I
remember
they
brought
up
our
recreation,
but
I
already
mentioned
that
and
brought
that
up
to
the
mayor
and
to
miss
y'all
bro
prior
to
this
meeting.
I
think
it
was
last
week.
I
think
I
mentioned
it
and
we
I
think
we
spoke
about
it-
to
make
sure
that
there's
if
there
was
any
way
we
can
do
any
cutting
and
recreation
at
the
time
that
I
was
going
to
put
forward
and
put
that
in
emotion.
D
D
So
when
all
this
was
explained
to
me,
then
I
said
hey.
I
can't
look
at
that
anymore
because
we
have
so
many
young
people
out
here
that
we
need
a
place,
an
environment
for
them
to
be
at
a
time
when
they
get
out
of
school
and
we
have
the
pool
there.
This
is
a
beautiful
pool.
If
you
go
by
there,
you'll
see
people
there
every
day
the
young
people
are
in
the
pool.
D
I'm
one
that
don't
like
to
raise
taxes
myself,
but
we
are
in
this
position
to
make
the
really
really
really
tough
decisions,
and
if
the
tough
decisions
come
to
the
point
that
we
have
to
do
that
to
raise
taxes,
then
we
have
to
do
it.
If
we
don't
have
any
other
alternative
and
other
choices.
I've
been
here
since
97
and
got
off
a
council
stayed
up.
D
D
D
That's
simple:
we
cannot
go
into
the
next
year
with
an
unbalanced
budget,
that's
facts,
so
we
have
to
do
what
we
have
to
do
and
then,
while
we
have
bobby
doing
this,
then
we
still
can
work
towards
something
and
try
to
come
up
with
some
mechanism
how
we
can
deal
with
this
in
the
future,
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say
on
this
issue.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Councilmember
thank.
P
You,
mr
mayor
councilman,
appel,
councilman,
sheila,
council,
lady
del
chapo
and
griffin.
In
my
opinion,
all
of
them
are
headed
in
the
right
direction.
I
actually
think
when
you
start
coming
to
specifics,
like
council
member
appel
alluded
to,
I
mean
those
are
some
real
choices
for
us
to
make.
Do
you
lay
people
off
when
you
furlough
people?
Do
you
have
payroll
cuts
across
the
board,
or
do
you
look
at
the
items
that
he
called
out
if
we
were
to
add
some
additional
items
to
that,
for
example,
consulting
contracts?
P
We
talked
around
that
if
we
were
to
add,
I
can't
think
of
a
consultant
contract
that
if
we
pushed
it
down
the
road
nine
months,
the
city
wouldn't
close
city's
not
going
to
close
up
shop.
So
if
we
got
enough
money
that
would
enable
the
loss
revenue
to
go
back
to
offset
the
three
mil
increase,
if
we
had
cuts
that
didn't
cut
people
and
councilman
griffin,
I
hear
you
on
that,
but
I
I
I'm
not
in
favor
of
cutting
across
the
board
salaries
and
I'll.
P
P
We
have
firemen
that
were
trying
to
put
out
fires
on
king
street
during
the
riot
and
surrounding
areas
that
had
bricks
being
thrown
at
them,
while
they
trying
to
out
of
fire
and
then
we're
going
to
come
and
give
them
the
good
news
about-
and
I
know
you're
not
saying
that,
but
I'm
rational.
Why?
I
don't
want
to
cut
people.
P
We've
got
less
people
now
than
we
had
20
years
ago.
I'm
sorry,
then
we
had
10
years
ago
running
this
city,
but
we
got
30
000
more
people.
I
heard
councilman
seeking
look
at
the
increase
from
2009
in
the
budget
until
2020.,
but
what
was
it?
What
was
the
size
of
the
population
in
2009,
which
is
the
size
of
the
population
today?
So
it's
all
relative.
We
all
headed
in
the
same
direction,
but
there
are
some
things
we
can
trim.
P
Mr
mayor
and
council,
if
without
having
to
hurt
our
most
valuable
asset
beyond
the
citizens,
are
our
people.
So
if
we
were
to
look
at
the
consultancies
and
push
those
down
the
road
in
particular
until
we
find
out
about
some
of
these
other
revenues,
I'd
rather
restore
a
consultant
once
we
have
some
some
other
revenues
as
opposed
to
rehiring
people
or
potentially
losing
a
brain
gain
from
the
city.
P
So
if
we
were
to
come
up
with
cuts
of
all
it's
just
tasteful
as
they
may
be,
they
won't
be
as
distasteful
as
cutting
out
people
or
reducing
our
people's
pain.
If
we
were
to
cut
the
short-term
disability.
Mr
me,
it
was
a
good
a
good
benefit
to
have,
but
I
think
that
may
be
between
four
or
five,
maybe
more
hundred
thousand
dollars.
P
If
people
were
to
bank
up
their
sick
leave,
they
really
wouldn't
need
the
short-term
disability
and
again
that
allows
us
to
keep
people
on
board
versus
again
furloughs
or
across
the
across-the-board
pay
cut.
I
actually
believe
now
don't
get
me
wrong.
Some
of
these
things
are
distasteful,
but
not
as
distasteful
as
again
laying
off
our
most
valuable
assets
with
y'all
people
and
putting
the
tax
burden
on
the
citizens,
which
none
of
us
all
13
of
us
on
this
call.
None
of
us
want
to
do
that.
P
Okay,
but
I
don't
have
any
trouble
telling
consultant
hey.
You
gotta
wait
six
months,
so
you
maybe
have
to
wait
nine
months
until
we
find
out
another
stream
of
rhythm.
If
employee
comes
up
to
me
and
say
we
had
short-term
disability
and
we
don't
have
it
anymore,
I
understand
that,
but
that
came
as
a
result
of
keeping
you
on
full-time.
P
We
can
give.
We
can
give
you
some
short-term
disability,
but
a
couple
you
guys
gotta
leave.
I
don't
mind.
Having
that
conversation,
you
know
the
recreation
piece.
We
need
to
drill
down
that
a
little
bit
more,
it's
not
being
a
zoom
call
and
if
there's
some
other
issues
out
there
that
we
need
to
look
at,
I
believe
we
may
be
able
to
get
closer
to
the
lost
revenue.
P
I
still
think
we're
going
to
have
to
do
a
millage
increase,
but
if,
with
the
loss
revenue
going
back
with
some
of
these
surgical
cuts,
we
may
be
able
to
pull
this
one
off.
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
where
we
restore
the
loss
which
will
offset
the
millage
increase,
which
will
still
be
less
than
what
the
millage
increase
was
what
the
millage
was
in
2020..
P
So
I
know
some
emotions
got
our
pain,
but
you
know
that
drew
the
best
out
of
us.
Well,
we
needed
to
have
that,
but
we
need
to
roll
up
our
sleeves
and
see
where
we
can
take
a
scaffold
out
and
do
some
cuts
and
if
we
can
get
to
that
4.1
million
mr
mayor,
maybe
we
can
give
some
suggestions
acceptable
to
you
that
would,
when
you
brought
forth
on
the
december
1st,
we
all
can
come
together
on.
Thank
you,
mr
president.
Q
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
just
had
a
a
quick
thing
I
was
thinking
of
and
wanted
to
see
if
it
was
something
worth
exploring
the
in
boston.
They
have
a
lot
of
non-profit
landowners
that
have
both
land
and
physical
plant
assets
and
they
created
a
program
called
pilot
which
is
payment
in
lieu
of
taxes,
and
I'm
curious.
If
we've
ever
kind
of
looked
at
what
the
property
tax
revenue
would
be.
C
Right
well,
as
far
as
I
know
and
susan
might
correct
me,
but
I
don't
believe
we
have
any
legal
authority
to
charge
them
a
fee
in
lieu
of
attacks.
We
would
be
asking
politely
we'd
be
asking
politely.
I
I
would
I'd,
be
happy
to
look
and
see
what
boston
is
doing
and
whether
that
could
apply
here.
We
we
have
made
sure
that
our
stormwater
fees
apply.
C
You
know
to
properties,
whether
they're,
non-profit
or
not,
and
and
that's
based
on
the
what
they
call
the
equivalent
residential
unit
or
eru
of
the
property.
But
anyway
that's
the
only
fee.
I'm
like
that
comes
to
the
top
of
my
head
that
that
we
do
that.
But
it's
not
a
bad
idea.
Council
member
mitchell
and
then.