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B
Sorry
about
that
folks,
I
hit
the
wrong
button
anyway.
Thank
you.
All
I'd
like
to
call
our
budget
workshop
meeting
to
order
and
thank
you
all
for
joining
us.
B
I
want
to
thank
amy,
wharton
and
all
of
her
team
over
at
budget
and
finance
for
the
incredible
amount
of
work
that
goes
into
doing
this,
which
is
true
every
year
I
must
say,
but
it
seems
to
be
particularly
challenging
this
year
to
to
get
everything
together
in
light
of
some
continuing
revenue
challenges
as
a
result
of
covert
19
the
impacts
on
our
on
our
budget
and
revenues.
B
So
I
got
to
extend
that
thanks,
though,
to
our
department
heads
for
keeping
things
in
line
and
and
and
and
their
understanding
and
all
the
things
they
want
to
do
and
having
to
work
within
the
budgets
that
we've
had
this
past
year
and
and
going
into
next
and
thank
all
our
employees
and,
and
that's
going
to
be,
the
big
story.
B
I
believe
of
this
budget
is
given
where
we
are
with
the
labor
market
and
the
competitions
not
just
from
the
private
sector,
but
even
as
you'll
see
from
our
neighboring
jurisdictions
to
stay
competitive,
with
an
attempt
to
be
competitive
with
what
our
employees
deserve
and
what
we
can
pay
them,
and
so,
as
you'll
see,
even
when
you
add
in
all
these
other
things
that
we're
doing
we're
we're.
We
have
some
some
ground
to
make
up
about.
B
3.7
million
and
and
amy
will
share
the
history
of
all
that
and
and
how
we've
gotten
there.
But
you
know
the
one
item
of
just
making
a
step
to
to
to
get
our
employee
salaries
up
this
year
is
5.9
million,
so
you
know,
which
is
which
is
more
than
what
we're
trying
to
make
up
right
now.
So,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
think
it's
all
about
our
staff
and
and
and
and
trying
to
get
them
where
they
should
be
and
where
they
deserve
to
be
in
today's
market.
B
C
C
We
didn't
have
liability,
property
insurance
numbers,
yet
our
lease
purchase
wasn't
finalized
and
we
were
looking
into
salary
savings.
I
believe,
is
what
we
discussed,
so
we
still
had
a
lot
of
work
to
do
from
the
time
that
we
met
with
you
in
october
to
where
we
are
now
so
I
just
kind
of
going
through
that
slowly.
C
C
C
So
obviously
we
cannot
fund
a
19.5
million
shortfall.
So
we
look
back
through
all
the
revenues.
We
pulled
back
the
items
that
we
recommended
and
separated
those
items
out
into
mandatory
life
safety
items,
high
priority
items
and
medium
priority
items,
and
then
we
looked
at
items
that
could
be
funded
with
other
revenue
sources.
C
So
that
was
a
19.5
million
dollars
that
we
were
at
and
then,
as
we
worked
through,
that
process,
we
finalized
revenues.
We
added
750
000
in
the
general
fund,
increased
parking
revenues
by
1.4
million,
almost
1.5,
and
then
we
increased
the
transfer
from
tourism
funds
by
a
million
dollars
because
we
have
we
had
reduced
salary
savings
a
bit
quite
a
bit
from
last
year
from
this
year,
2021,
because
police
and
fire
are
hiring
so
well.
C
But
in
looking
at
our
other
issues
in
the
city,
the
other
departments,
we
realized
that
it
would
take
us
some
quite
a
while
in
2021
to
hire
everybody
that
we've
lost.
So
we
increased
salary
savings
by
three
million
dollars,
and
then
we
identified
5.6
million
dollars
in
one-time
expenditures
that
we
could
fund
with
our
arpa
funds.
C
And
so
this
is
really
kind
of
the
reconciliation
that
we
came
to
from
the
shortfall
that
we
had
to
the
2.2
that
we
discussed
with
ad
hoc
last
week.
So
we
increased
some
revenues,
increased
salary
savings,
we
reduced
recommendations
to
only
funding
those
items
that
can
be
covered
with
arpa
funds.
We
added
some
positions:
two
hud-funded
positions,
recreation,
enterprise
manager
and
positions
requested
by
the
mayor
for
an
additional
community
and
homelessness
liaison
hope,
center,
director
and
social
worker,
and
then
the
tnt
traffic
inspector.
C
So
notable
items
not
included,
like
I
said,
the
2.2
million
dollars
of
what
you
heard
in
the
paper
I
think
last
weekend
by
the
media,
because
that's
what
we
discussed
with
ad
hoc,
but
it
didn't
include
the
2021
cuts
or
including
overtime
and
overtime,
was
very
important
to
our
departments,
especially
with
the
attrition
rate
we're
currently
experiencing,
so
especially
for
police
and
fire.
It's
important
and
one
of
the
items
that
was
one
of
the
items.
We
were
really
trying
very
hard
to
put
back
into
the
budget.
C
So,
what's
included
mandatory
life
safety,
mandatory
items
are
really
the
increases.
Insurance
increases,
one
percent
increase
in
south
carolina
retirement
and
contract
price
increases.
Those
are
really
things
we
have
absolutely
no
control
over.
They
are
just
what
they
are
life
safety
items,
they're
just
items
that
we
are
required
to
keep
our
employees
safe,
the
scba
equipment
for
the
fire
department,
there's
thermal
imaging
cameras,
radios
things
like
that
that
are
included
in
the
budget.
C
Let
me
keep
going
if
that's
okay,
the
pay
plan.
E
C
Well,
maybe
not
quite
as
much
council
member
shade,
it
just
depends
if
we
didn't
have
the
vacancies
that
we
have
right
now
is
what's
allowing
us
to
increase
salary
savings
that
much
so
if
we
were
in
a
better
place-
and
we
had
originally,
I
think-
budgeted
around
three
million
dollars
for
salary
savings
so
yeah,
I
guess
you're
right-
that
extra
three
million
dollars
we
would
save.
Yes,.
E
So
if
we
have
not
filled
positions
through
our
attrition
or
whatever
reason,
retirement
whatever
causes-
and
that
has
caused
us
to
hate
to
use
the
word
save,
but
it
shaved
off
about
three
million
dollars
of
our
of
our
budget.
C
Have
a
lot
more
slides
on
kind
of
where
we
are
with
staffing
too,
that
we'll
go
through
so
the
pay
plan?
Why
is
it
so
important
just
sort
of
some
point
of
reference?
Why
we're
pushing
so
hard
for
this
pay
plan?
The
county
municipalities
around
us
are
already
ahead
of
us
in
minimum
wage
charleston
county
currently
is
at
13.50.
C
town
of
mount
pleasant
is
at
16.92
cents
caveat
to
that
is
their
37.5
hour
work
week,
so
our
equivalent
would
be
15.86,
but
when
you're
looking
at
a
job
posting,
nobody
realizes
that,
so
it
still
looks
like
it's
16
and
92
cents.
If
that
makes
sense,
norris
charleston
is
at
15.39
and
charleston
housing
authority
is
at
15
and,
as
we
have
talked
about
several
times,
you
know
this
we're
having
a
very
high
turnover
rate
and
the
most
notable
reason
why
people
are
leaving
is
pay.
C
So
the
latest
turnover
rates
through
year
end
you
can
see
our
city
sworn
is
the
black
line.
The
city
nonstorm
is
the
green
line
and
where
we're
at
we're
projecting
city
non-sworn
to
be
24.57
by
the
end
of
the
year.
C
Good
and
then
also
just
for
the
mandate,
the
vaccine
mandate,
because
I
know
that
there's
some
questions
about
that
too.
There's
currently
18
employees
that
are
non-compliant
0.78
of
those
employees
are
smart
or
not
our
sworn
staff
1.37
our
non-torn
staff,
so
that
could
potentially
change
our
projected
turnover
rate
to
9.85
percent
firstborn
and
25.94
for
non-sworn.
C
F
C
Gonna
keep
going
that's
okay
and
then
just
to
put
this
in
context
a
little
bit,
we
had
876
non-scoring
staff
in
2014,
currently
we're
at
877
non-sworn
staff.
So
this
this
is
a
pretty
telling
graph
right
here
and
our
nonstop
staff
level
in
june
of
2020
was
965
and
we're
currently
at
877..
C
H
C
G
C
C
B
Well,
they're,
not
as
big
a
department,
so
you
know
a
few
positions
makes
a
bigger
percentage,
but
I
I
think
it's
a
traffic
signals,
division
even
having
one
guy
short
and
sign
shop
and
that
things
like
that
make
a
difference
in
in
the
percentages
right
right
right
now.
We're
jordan's
assistant
director
as
well
we're
hiring.
C
C
Okay,
okay,
so
we
originally
recommended
increasing
minimum
wage
to
fourteen
dollars,
cost
to
do
that
between
the
general
fund
and
enterprise
funds
was
around
a
little
over
seven
million
dollars,
but
because
we're
experienced
shortfall
we're
experiencing,
we
adjusted
this
to
increasing
it,
50
cents
in
january
and
50
cents
in
july
to
save
us
1.87
million
dollars
so
we'll
still
get
there.
We
just
won't
get
there
until
july.
G
If
we're
losing
people
and
we're
gonna
give
a
pay
raise,
hopefully
because
they
deserve
it
and
then
hopefully
for
retention
as
well
a
dual
purpose.
G
G
So
that
means
it
tells
me,
you
know:
they're
getting
paid
local
went
across
the
street,
so
to
speak.
What
does
it
take
if
we
were
to?
Is
it
1.87
million?
If
we
were
to
do
that
anyways
in
january.
B
And,
and
so
that's
something
we
can
still
work
on
a
council
member
wearing,
particularly
if
the
little
project
that
you
and
I
are
working
on
that
could
resolve
later
in
this
week,
could
bring
us
about
half
of
that.
B
B
G
Understand
but
you
know
I
agree
with
you,
you
know
I'm
frugal
with
other
people's
money
as
well,
but
my
understanding
is
that
we
had
to
bring
this
home.
We
had
seven.
I
got
this
for
matt.
We
had
seven,
basically,
ditch
cleaning
crews
and
now
we're
down
to
two.
G
B
C
C
B
C
Okay,
so
then
the
other
thing
where
we
had
the
2021
budget
cuts
that
we
funded
by
our
car
that
we
brought
to
you,
and
I
think
I
guess
it
was
I
remember
september.
Maybe
it
was
october
that
you
all
approved
it's
about
268
thousand
dollars.
F
C
So
those
are
included
in
the
2022
budget,
but
there's
revenue
there
to
cover
that,
and
then
these
are
the
high
priority
requests
that
we're
funding
with
arpa
funds.
These
are
one-time
things
most,
notably
the
larger
items
are
the
edms
system
to
continue
that
project
for
electronic
document
management
system,
the
water
plan
and
the
zone
ordinance
comp
plan
part
of
the
account
plan,
the
downtown
plan.
B
C
Other
high
priority
requests
that
are
really
funded
with
hospitality,
fee
fund
and
general
fund
reserves,
the
security
cameras,
those
are
all
in
the
tourist
areas
for
the
police
department
and
then
all
the
other
items
are.
Our
financial
policy
requires
us
to
put
a
million
dollars
away
for
maintenance
and
so
we're
using
those
funds
for
to
do
those
projects
for
renovations
to
those
locations.
G
G
Conversation,
it
wasn't
on
a
budget
workshop
for
that
conversation
with
the
man
councilmember
ross.
B
We
asked
lieutenant
king
to
look
into
that
force
and
he
was
going
to
check
with
the
police
I.t
folks,
but
I
I
can't
say
that
he's
reported
back
to
me
or
it
certainly
hadn't,
been
included
in
this
budget.
B
C
Okay,
so
these
were
other
special
requests.
There
were
the
first
two
items
on
there:
a
housing,
construction
project
manager
and
the
community
liaison
and
homelessness
specialist.
Those
were
both
positions
that
were
added
mid-year,
and
I
don't
remember
if
I
think
one
was
2021
was
2021
that
are
being
covered
by
program
income,
because
we
didn't
have
budgeted
funds
to
cover
them,
and
so
this
cannot
continue
to
be
covered
by
program
income.
So
we
made
a
deal
with
gianna
that
we'd
add
them
in
the
2022
budget.
C
So
those
are
those
two
positions
and
then
mayor
requested
a
hope,
center,
director
and
social
worker
for
for
the
hope,
center
and
then
also
an
additional
community
leads
on
person
and
traffic
safety
inspector.
C
C
And
then,
with
all
that,
we
still
have
a
shortfall
so
just
kind
of
looking
at.
Why
we're
having
such
a
hard
time
balancing
the
budget.
We've
talked
about
this
a
while
before
a
while
back
a
few
years
ago
about
the
general
fund
deficit
and
a
parking
fund
surplus.
It's
just
our
deficit
is
growing
faster
than
our
parking
fund
surplus,
and
it's
especially
true
now
that
our
parking
fund
revenues
have
not
rebounded
completely
from
the
pandemic.
C
So
this
kind
of
shows
you
where
we
are
in
terms
of
because
the
general
fund
has
been
relying
heavily
on
parking
fund
in
order
to
balance
the
budget
over
the
over
the
last
few
years,
so
and
obviously
for
the
last
two
years
that
hasn't
been
an
option.
So
it's
just
been
made
it
a
little
bit
more
difficult
for
us
to
balance
the
budget.
C
And
then
also
our
general
fund
growth,
our
expenditures
are
growing
at
a
faster
pace
in
our
revenues
and
then
police
and
fire
expenditures
usually
exceed
our
property
tax
revenues,
but,
and
they
will
probably
continue
to
do
that,
but
no
in
2021
our
base
budgets
for
police
and
fire
were
cut.
So
that's
why
that
gap
isn't
as
wide
as
it
typically
is,
because
we
cut
their
base
budgets
as
much
as
we
did.
E
C
G
C
F
C
C
F
C
I'll
tell
you
in
a
second
I'm
sure
I
will
be
getting
a
text
that
will
tell
me
that
number
thanks,
and
so
how
do
we
handle
the
shortfall?
This
is
what
we
discussed
with
ad
hoc
last
week
that
we
could
accept
the
city's
22
budget,
as
described
in
our
previous
slides,
which
would
have
been
with
a
2.2
million
shortfall
and
not
restoring
overtime
and
funding
certain
items
with
arpa
and
we
could
use
general
fund
reserves
to
balance
the
budget.
We
have
that
20
policy
amount.
C
So
I
had,
even
though
we
had
that
when
we
closed
out
the
books
for
2020,
I
reserved
a
little
bit
more
just
because
I
wasn't
certain
about
the
pandemic
and
where
we're
heading,
so
we
do
have
a
little
bit
extra
more
than
our
20
policy
amount.
That
could
cover
that
shortfall
call,
but
doing
that
only
exasperates.
Our
inability
to
fund
items
in
2023,
because
you're
using
general
fund
reserves
to
fund
expenditures
that
are
ongoing.
So
we'll
just
continue
to
have
that
problem
in
the
next
year.
C
So
our
projected
22
expenditure
budget,
our
20
target-
it
would
be
43.7
million
dollars
right
now
we
have
46.8
million
dollars
in
unassigned
fund
balance,
so
we
have
a
little
over
three
million
dollars
to
cover
that
2.2
million
shortfall.
But
again
we
should
never
be
using
reserves
to
cover
ongoing
expenses.
I
know
you're
also
going
to
be
saying
that
and
also
keep
in
mind
that
as
a
budget
grows,
the
20
requirement
increases.
G
Amy
yeah,
if
we
were
to
go
back
to
councilman
seeking's
point
about
meters,
parking
meters,
you
know
being
extended
on
the
time
is
all
of
the
opera
funds.
I
understand
those
are
one
time
and
probably
last
time.
Funds
are
all
those
spoken
for
for
22.
C
No
they're
still
about
six
million
dollars
left
in
our
funds.
After
all
of
this,
the.
G
Reason
I'm
bringing
that
up
if
obviously
parker's
gonna
take
the
time
to
to
come
back.
If,
if
we
were
to
do
the
extend
the
parking
meter
time
and
we
picked
up
2
million
and
we
budgeted
that
and
somehow
it
turned
out
to
be
slower,
responding
than
we
thought
can
we
make
that
difference
up
because
it's
just
bridge
time
to
get
from
wherever
we
are
now
to
hopefully
a
stronger
economy?
If
it's
not
next
year
the
year
after,
can
we
brush
bridge
that
difference
from
proper
funds?
G
Let's
say
it
ends
up
generating
1.5
million.
Instead
of
you
know,
2
million
or
2.2
million.
We
could
hit
that
gap
with
with
opera
funds
and
obviously
not
go
to
our
reserves.
C
G
C
F
The
other
thing
amy,
I
think
and
councilman
wearing,
is
because
of
the
new
traffic
configurations
on
upper
king
street
on
thursday,
friday
and
saturday,
we're
not
going
to
see
as
big
a
bump
quickly,
because
we
shut
down
the
parking
for
about
five
or
six
blocks,
which
would
be
pretty
prime
parking.
So
we're
not
going
to
see
it
go
right
back
to
pre-pandemic
levels
so
long
as
that
configuration
is
in
place
and
it's
my
understanding
that
the
chief
and
his
team
want
to
keep
that
configuration
in
place
for
some
period.
C
Right
what
about
the
that
bill
that
was
introduced
as
well?
That's
dead,
correct.
F
C
B
So-
and
I
I
might
add-
and
amy
I'd
be
interested
to
hear
the
number
you
get
reported
back
from
staff,
but
I
asked
robbie
this
question
the
other
day
and
he
didn't
feel
that
it
was
nearly
that
much
money
that
the
income
we
were
picking
up
from
six
to
ten
number
one
and
number
two.
We
have
extra
expenses,
we
don't
normally
keep
those
peos
on
the
street
during
those
hours
and
and
then
number
three.
B
I
I
just
got
to
say
I
mean
that
the
folks
that
are
having
a
hard
time,
the
workers
that
are
having
a
hard
time
are
have
been
most
appreciative
that
they've
been
able
to
find
some
parking
without
having
to
pay
for
it.
The
hospitality,
restaurant
workers
that
are
out
there,
I've,
gotten
and-
and
I
think
it
kind
of
helped
us
after
covet
to
get
going
again
with
with
our
hospitality
and
restaurant
business.
B
So
anyway,
I
gotta
think
about
all
those
factors
you
know
before
we
go
back
to
committing
to
after
six
collections.
C
The
second
option
that
we
presented
to
ad
hoc
was
a
millage
increase.
Value
of
one
mill
is
one
point:
seven
two
mil
two
mils
would
yield
a
3.4
million
dollar
increase.
Three
mills
would
yield
5.1
right
now.
Our
millage
bank
is
currently
about
3.4
mil,
so
we
could
not
go
higher
than
three
mills.
C
G
G
So
can
we
then
maybe
use
some
other
monies
and
then
maybe
a
small
amount
of
reserves
to
get
to
the
three
million
three
mills.
G
You
know
it
sounds
like
the
meaning
to
get
to
be
able
to
give
out
people
pay
raise
in
january.
We
need
to
be
around
three
mills,
not
two
that
chart.
I
think
I
I
don't
know
if
you
have
it
on
this
presentation,
I
may
be
speaking
before
my
turn.
If
you
have
it
on
it,
those
who
who
were
not
on
the
call
last
week
amy
had
a
wonderful
slide
that
showed
just
how
effective
it's
coming.
C
So
talking
about
millage
increase
because
we
had
you
know-
talked
about
local
options-
sales
tax
at
the
council
meeting
in
prior
week
before
that.
So
keep
in
mind
that
the
correct
the
credit
that's
provided
by
local
option
sales
tax,
the
impact
of
a
millage
increase
decreases
over
time.
But
of
course,
that's
also
dependent
on
the
economy,
because
it's
driven
by
consumer
spending
and
any
weather
events
could
also
impact
local
auction
sales
tax.
So
I
have
the
next
slide,
which
will
show
our
net
millage,
which
is
what
the
credit
does
to
our
millage.
C
The
local
option.
Sales
tax
credit
does
and
you'll
notice
that
in
non-reassessment
years
to
melt
it
will
decrease
and
I'm
sorry
in
reassessment
years
you'll
see
a
decrease
in
that
millage.
But
there's
also
in
some
years
where
there's
not
a
reassessment
where
you
see
the
millage
rate
decreases
because
of
local
options,
sales
tax
and
then
also
noting
that
that's
giving
100
back.
C
So
if
we
were
ever
to
consider
giving
less
than
100
back
that
credit
that
our
citizens
see,
would
it
would
take
longer
for
them
to
see
a
real
impact
or
savings
to
their
property
tax
bill.
So
this
is
our
net
village
going
back
to
2009.
C
That's
the
savings,
that's
provided
to
our
citizens,
so
you
can
see
in
2009
our
net
millage
was
61.4
mills
and
now
in
2021
it's
61.3
mils
and
you
can
see
we
had
a
tax
increase
here
in
2013
and
really
in
the
next
year.
Because
of
the
credit
that
you
can
see,
it
already
started
to
save
the
impact
of
that
already
started
to
go
away
for
our
far
citizens
and
then
you'll
see
here
for
2020.
C
G
G
12
years
later,
as
I
said
peter,
I
remember
you.
Singling
me
out
on
this
in
a
good
way.
Every
single
homeowner
in
san
andreas
psd
pays
higher
property
taxes
in
every
owner-occupied
house
in
the
city
of
charleston,
because
of
that
credit
going
back
to
the
taxpayer.
G
I
don't
know
that
we'll
be
able
to
explain
that
in
the
public
and
a
quick,
sound
bite,
but
we
know
what
how
effective
it
is.
So,
even
if
we
were
to
where
was
the
and
was
it
13,
we
had
a
tax
increase,
amy.
G
B
So
if
you
just
look
at
the
last
year
from
2020
to
2021,
our
rate
stayed
the
same
at
81.3,
but
our
net
millage
went
down
from
63.1
to
61.3
and
that's
why,
when
I
was
showing
you
my
tax
bill
from
this
year
versus
last
year
with
no
change
in
millage,
I
had
a
58
reduction
in
my
tax
bill
and
I
invite
all
of
y'all
to
compare
your
bills
to
the
year
before,
because
that's
what
our
citizens
have
seen
in
the
last
year
is
actually
a
tax
reduction.
A
So
reading
this
chart
to
councilman
waring's
point
that
the
general
public
doesn't
understand
that
there's
been
essentially
a
net,
it's
been
neutral
right
for
the
since
2009
in
terms
of
the
net
millage
increase.
Is
that
correct.
A
So,
as
a
new
council
member-
and
I
often
hear
you
know
folks,
constituents
come
to
me
and
asking
me
questions,
I
guess
a
you
know.
Nutshell:
what
is
making
our
budget
unsustainable,
meaning
as
we
move
forward.
You
know
we
keep
talking
about.
You
know
parking
fees
and
and
all
these
small
pots,
but
is
there
something
thematic
or
is
there
a
bigger
picture
thing
that
that
we
could
share
with
constituents
about
why
this
is
not
sustainable?
A
I
just
as
I
look
at
these
numbers,
I'm
thinking
to
myself.
We've
had
population
increases,
we've
had
not
just
population,
but
the
the
size
of
the
city
has
expanded,
and
here
we
are
with
the
same
millage
rate
as
we
are
in
2009.
How
is
that
sustainable.
C
B
A
Like
to
better
understand
why
it's
not
sustainable
from
what
is
it
just
what
revenues
aren't
making
up
for
the
expenses?
That's
what
I'm
asking
okay.
C
A
A
B
If
you,
if
you
look
over
that
same
period
by
the
way,
councilmember
sacrament
we've
increased
funding
for
police
and
fire
at
a
much
at
a
higher
percentage
rate,
then
property
values
have
increased
even
with
our
growth.
B
So
we've
been
increasing
certain
budgets
and
and
we're
limited
by
state
government
and
the
things
that
we
can
charge
and
and
property
tax
makes
up
what
amy
about
45
of
our
revenue.
C
B
Something
like
that
so
so
this
is
just
one
component
of
of
our
revenue.
It
was
really
a
blessing
you
know
for
years
and
even
before
I
got
elected
there'd,
be
these
annual
shortfalls
with
the
general
fund
and
then
the
the
parking
revenue
would
come
in
and
kind
of
magically
balance.
The
books
you
know
and-
and
we
just
haven't
had
that
luxury,
particularly
in
the
last
two
years
and
and
maybe
it'll
do
better
in
2022.
C
Another
thing,
too,
is
fire
stations
when
we
add
a
fire
station.
That
is
a
pretty
big
hit
to
our
our
budget
as
well,
because
one
fire
company
is
probably
1.3
million
dollars
just
in
salaries.
C
B
B
We
need
to
add
another
fire
station
out
on
clements
ferry
road.
So
it's
these.
These
needs
are
going
to
continue
for
a
while.
If
we
use
one-time
money
it
it,
it
just
pushes
really
kicks
the
can
down
the
road,
councilmember
griffin.
I
Yes,
sir,
and
just
want
to
thank
you
amy
and
your
staff
for
putting
together
all
these
scenarios
for
us-
and
you
know,
obviously,
as
we
continue
to
try
to
come
out
of
this
pandemic.
I
I
You
know
it
city
included,
but
the
economy
is
a
lot
better
now
and
I'm
very
very
concerned
that
if
we
don't
pay
our
employees
more,
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
serve
our
citizens
and
give
them
their
basic
needs.
So
I'm
you
know
supportive
of
us
increasing
the
millage.
If
that
means
that
it's
going
to
give
an
increase
in
wages
to
our
city
employees,
because
you
know
it,
it
is
really
really
disheartening
to
see
how
many
vacancies
we
have
and
they're
in
the
positions
that
we
need.
I
I
You
know
that
that
is
something
that
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
we
have
to
go
back
to
our
citizens
and
say,
hey,
look
we're
asking
you
to
pay
20
or
30
dollars
more
next
year,
but
that
means
we're
going
to
be
able
to.
You
know,
get
you
the
services
that
you
need.
Publix
public
services
is
another
department,
sanitation.
I
We've
got
28
vacant
season
yeah.
These
are
the
basic
services
that
we
provide
to
our
citizens,
but
our
our
property
taxes
don't
even
cover
all
of
those
costs.
So
you
know,
I
think
the
economy
is
a
lot
better.
This
year
you
can
get
a
job
really
anywhere.
I
I
If
we
want
to
be
able
to
convince
somebody
who
has
a
cdl
to
come
and
work
for
the
city
or
you
know,
do
public
services
or
work
in
stormwater,
I
mean
these
positions,
they
could
go
to
a
you,
know
a
construction
company
or
go
to
a
a
private
third-party
sanitation
department
and
they're
going
to
make
more
at
other
places,
but
they're
also
going
to
have
to
you
know,
they're
not
going
to
have
as
good
benefits.
You
know
we
offer
outstanding
benefits.
I
So
I
think
this
is
definitely
the
time
where
we,
you
know
looking
at
getting
our
employees
at
that
that
raise
and
pay
and
if
it,
if
it
means
that
that
people
are
going
to
get
their
services
taken
care
of
they're
going
to
understand
it
last
year
was
a
different
scenario
and
obviously
I
was
adamant
about
not
increasing
taxes
last
year,
because
we
were
in
the
middle
of
the
pandemic,
but
our
economy
is
doing
very
well
this
year.
I
I
expect
it
to
go
very
well
next
year
as
well.
I
don't
think
as
good
as
this
year,
but
I
think
next
year
will
be
a
good
year
and
I
think
that
we're
in
a
lot
different
position,
because
everybody's
hiring
everybody's
more
competitive
with
pay
there's
you
could
go
anywhere
right
now
and
get
a
job.
We
as
a
city
have
got
to
be
more
competitive
with
our
pay,
or
else
we're
going
to
have
to
tell
our
citizens
that
we
can't
service
them.
The
way
that
we
should.
I
So
I
thank
you
amy
for
presenting
all
these
options,
but
you're
you're
not
going
to
have
the
same
kind
of
pushback
from
me
this
year,
as
you
did
last
year,
because
I
just
feel
like
we're
in
a
much
different
place
and-
and
I
think
it's
it's
very
warranted-
that
we
take
a
hard
look
at
getting
our
pay
increase
for
our
employees.
C
Just
add
something
too,
because
I
forgot
to
add
it
when
we
were
talking
about
the
attrition
rate
and
things
like
that.
That
hr
had
provided
me
with
some
information
on
the
number
of
there's
19
positions
that
are
advertised
right
now
and
they've
had
100
and
almost
176
000
views
of
those
positions
by
people
and
we've
had
530
applicants.
C
So
typically,
what
you
want
is
a
20
general
goal
for
for
that
and
we're
at
point
three
percent,
so
I
mean
there's
like
zero
for
our
tree
maintenance
tech.
One
we've
had
701
views.
Zero
people
have
applied
for
that
job.
My
finance
director,
it's
it's
530
views,
we've
gotten
seven
applications,
most
of
which
aren't
qualified
for
that
job.
So
just
putting
that
into
context
as
well.
I'm
sorry
councilmember
jackson.
H
Thank
you-
and
I
I'm
probably
you
know
out
of
line
in
terms
of
trying
to
make
some
future
forward
generalizations
about
all
of
this,
but
I
think
councilmember
saccharin
was
getting
at
it.
A
couple
of
your
slides
amy,
you
know
tell
the
tale.
H
The
city
is
upside
down
on
on
residential,
the
formula
for
supporting
our
our
residential
or
single-family
neighborhoods,
which
are
the
hallmark
of
the
way
that
charleston
grew
over
the
last
40
years.
Right
we
subdivided.
We
grew
into
farmland,
we
added
territory
that
we
couldn't
cover
with
our
fire
and
police
without
building
a
lot
of
new
capital
improvements
and
then
staffing
them
to
go
along
with
it
and
we're
not
we're
not
we're
not
holding
water,
we're
drowning
in
the
residential
formula,
and
I
I
know
we
can't
solve
that
on
this
budget.
H
I
I
would
totally
agree
with
the
millage
increase,
I'm
very
happy
to
hear
council
member
griffin.
You
know
understand
that
this
is
a
whole
new
game
this
year
than
last
year.
I
would
totally
agree
with
that,
but
I
I
think
we
need
to
get
serious
as
a
metropolitan
area
and
especially
as
the
city
of
charleston,
to
go
to
the
state
and
start
knocking
on
the
door
about
act,
388
the
whole
primary.
H
The
way
the
primary
owners
are
allowed
to
basically
underpay
for
the
cost
that
it
that
it
that
it
takes
to
serve
them
well,
as
residents
permanent
residents
is
just
upside
down,
and
we
know
that
we
have
a
demographic.
Now,
that's
coming
from
a
lot
of
other
locations
to
settle
in
here.
The
pandemic
only
made
that
more
obvious
people
are
able
to
move
here
permanently
and
work
everywhere.
H
According
to
the
virtual
I.t
industry,
those
residents,
you
know,
think
that
they
have
the
best
deal
ever
and
they're
totally
shocked
when
they
come
and
see
how
little
their
property
taxes
are
compared
to
what
they
want
out
of
a
metropolitan
area
like
this,
with
the
sophistication
that
we
have.
So
I
I
again
I
know
this
is
not.
You
know
anything
that
we
can
decide
right
this
minute,
but
my
time
is
short
and
I
really
do
believe
that
this
is
something
that
needs
to
be
taken
on
as
a
holistic
task
force
measure
get
our
partners
together.
H
Goose
creek
is
going
to
be
experiencing
this
in
the
short
term,
if
they're
not
already
the
metropolitan
area,
growth
for
permanent
residency
cannot
sustain
itself
with
the
formula
that
the
state
has
limited
us
to
with
this
388
four
percent
primary
ownership
formula
and
as
a
private
citizen
I'll
be
very
happy
to
work
on
this.
I
think
I
think
it's
important
to
each
one
of
us.
Certainly
my
kids,
my
grandson.
H
B
Well,
thank
you
and
that
act,
388
really
put
a
burden
on
commercial
properties
and
so
on.
That's
why
it's
painful
for
us
to
talk
about
any
millage
increase.
I
think,
because
of
the
impact
on
on
commercial
and
business
properties
and
that
flows
down
to
rental
properties
and
everything,
small
businesses
and
anyone
who
who
rents
an
apartment
or
a
home
rather
than
is
happy
fortunate
enough
to
be
in
home
ownership,
so
yeah
388
just
turned
it
upside
down.
B
The
the
the
worst
impact,
I
think,
was
on
our
school
system,
and
I
mean
I
I
I
got
the
original
intent
of
of
of
looking
out
for
homeowners
and
that
it
just
went
a
little
too
far.
If,
in
my
view,.
H
That
was
during
the
deepest
recession.
We
can't
sustain
that
any
longer
mayor,
so.
C
J
Y'all
are
putting
me
up
to
it.
You're
egging
me
on.
I
would
say
that
councilman
griffin
and
councilman
jackson
stole
a
lot
of
my
thunder.
I
think
y'all
hit
the
nail
on
the
head.
I
mean
I
read
in
the
post
and
courier
recently,
senator
leverman,
who
recently
passed
away,
was
probably
the
most
powerful
person
in
the
state.
J
I
think
I
read
that
you
know
he
said
that
act.
388
was
one
of
his
biggest
regrets
in
a
long
tenured
career
in
south
carolina
politics.
It's
probably
one
of
the
worst
pieces
of
legislation
that
the
general
assembly
has
passed
and
there's
been
some
good
contenders
up
there
and
you
know
it's
not
just
for
you
know
urban.
You
know
cities
like
us.
It
makes
south
carolina
one
of
the
most
anti-competitive
anti-business
states
in
the
country
when
it
comes
to
property
tax.
J
Do
you
ever
wonder
why
all
these
big
corporations
have
to
go
to
county
governments?
And
you
know
ask
for
these
fee
in
lieu
of
taxation.
Sweetheart
deals
project
zeus
project.
All
these
little
secret
projects,
they've
always
got
on
their
agendas.
It's
because
they
can't
afford
these
property
taxes
in
south
carolina
at
that
six
percent
rate,
and
it's
a
really
horrible
piece
of
legislation
that
needs
it's
an
anti-conservative
piece
of
legislation.
J
Anti-Business,
it's
really
really
a
horrible
law
that
I
hope
you
know
the
folks
up
in
colombia
can
get
to
at
some
point,
but
for
here
in
city
of
charleston,
as
applied
to
our
situation
as
councilwoman
jackson
pointed
out,
I
mean
we
have
entire
council
districts
that
are
essentially
welfare
districts.
I
mean
no
offense
to
anybody,
I'm
not
going
to
call
out
any
names
or
anything
like
that.
What
I
mean
by
that
is
you
you
get.
You
have
more
demand
for
services
than
you
pay
to
provide
right.
J
J
This
is
a
non-issue.
This
tax
increase
is
a
non-issue
for
four
percent
properties.
If
you're
going
to
fuss
about
20
30
50
a
year
in
order
to
keep
our
firefighters
paid
and
to
keep
our
police
officers
paid
and
our
public
works
folks
and
all
of
our
other
departments
paid,
I
mean
that
is
you're.
Just
you're
stoking
fires,
you're
trying
to
get
people
riled
up
it's
a
non-issue
for
four
for
four
percent
primary
residents.
I
mean
our
taxes
are
so
low
for
four
percent
properties
in
the
city.
It's
it's
it's
it's!
It's
sad!
J
It
really
is
now
for
six
percent.
That's
an
argument.
That
is
a
real
concern.
We
cannot
run
too
hot
with
six
percent
or
you
can
run
into
a
situation
that
the
city
of
columbia
dealt
with
and
they're
they're
struggling
with
and
they're
having
to
get
their.
You
know
their
ducks
in
a
row
up
there.
I
personally
don't
think
we're
at
a
point
where
two
three
mil
increase
for
six
percent
properties
is
gonna
cause
some
sort
of.
Like
you
know,
economic
shock
wave
through
the
peninsula.
That's
gonna
cause
all
kinds
of
problems.
J
You
know
what
are
the
folks
on
the
peninsula
saying
in
terms
of
you
know
what
they
need
from
us.
They
want
more
stuff
done
on
king
street;
they
want
more
police
patrol.
They
want
all
these
different
things.
This
is
what
we
need
to
do
to
be
able
to
provide
our
citizens
with
the
services
they
desire,
not
just
on
the
peninsula
but
off
the
peninsula
as
well,
and
if
you've
got
a
city
budget,
that's
predicated
on
parking
revenue
right
coming
in
to
cover
our
general
fund
expense.
I
mean
what
are
we
are?
J
We
are
we
a
parking
business
or
are
we
a
city
right?
I
mean
we
need
to
have
a
solid
foundation
fiscally
in
order
to
operate
and
to
provide
our
constituents
with
services,
and
if
we've
got
good
parking
years
well,
then
we
can
do
some
fun
stuff
with
some
of
that
surplus
as
time
dictates.
But
right
now
we
are
not
in
a
fiscally
sustainable
position,
as
has
been
pointed
out
by
everybody.
I
think
we
need
to
really
give
some
strong
consideration
to
these
millage
increases.
J
I
hope
we
don't
get
into
some
of
the
politics
that
we
got
into
last
year
about
this.
I
think
it's
really
a
tempest
and
a
teapot.
It's
not
that
big
of
a
deal-
and
you
know
if
you're
someone
who's
been
super
fortunate
to
own
very
expensive
property
downtown.
That's
seen
tremendous
property
appreciation
over
the
last
several
years.
Yes,
you
are
going
to
be
disproportionately
hit
with
a
millage
increase,
but
when
you
put
your
head
on
the
pillow
at
night
just
be
thankful
that
you're
the
beneficiary
of
millions
of
dollars
in
property
value
appreciation.
J
So
I
mean
it's
just
you
got
to
put
these
kinds
of
things
into
perspective,
and
not
just
you
know
panic
when
you,
when
you
talk
about
tax
increase-
and
I
think
councilman
griffin
really
had
a
mature
and
very
well
reasoned
commentary
just
now
on
all
this,
and
I
hope
we
can
engage
these
coming
discussions
in
the
coming
weeks
and
months
and
that
spirit
of
unity,
because
we
got
to
do
what's
right
for
the
city.
J
B
Thank
you,
councilmember
all
right,
amy
you've
still
got
some
more.
Don't
you
on
your
presentation,
let's,
let's
count.
Councilmember
gregory.
F
Yeah
before
before,
we
move
on,
it's
very,
very
encouraging
to
hear
the
discussion
that
people
generally
clearly
understand
that
our
biggest
set
is
our
employees
and
that
I
think
that
our
budget
needs
to
also
be
centered
around
that.
I
agree
that
the
tax
increase
is
really
a
non-issue
forty
sixty
dollars
a
year
come
on.
F
It
could
be
made
political,
but
as
the
representative
of
the
people,
we
know
how
minimal
that
would
be.
So
it's
very
very
encouraging
to
listen
to
this
discussion
because
I've
been,
I
am
where
you
guys
are-
and
I've
been
there
for
a
while-
that
we
must
protect
our
greatest
asset,
which
is
our
staffing.
B
Well,
thank
you
and,
as
I've
shown
with
my
own
bill,
I
hate
to
keep
coming
back
to
that,
but
you
know
we're
we
offset
it
every
year
with
with
that's
what
gives
us
this
net
effect
absent
from
2009
to
21
is,
is
the
los
t
credit
really
it's
almost
like
a
reduction
of
a
half
mil
every
year
on
average,
so
it
really
balances
out
over
time,
and
this
is
maybe
a
little
off
topic.
B
That's
you
know,
building
up
over
time,
because
we
always
needed
that
extra
funding
to
balance
the
general
fund.
We
we
were
deferring
the
maintenance
on
the
parking
garages,
and
so
anyway,
that's
that's
out.
There
also
y'all
back
to
amy.
I
Griffin,
mr
mayor,
just
just
because
you
you
also
keep
mentioning
about
your,
you
had
what
fifty
eight
dollars.
I
C
So
this
was
just
a
increase
depending
on
two
or
three
mills.
What
on
a
four
percent
property
in
charleston
county?
So
two
males
would
be
forty
dollars.
Three
months
would
be
sixty
dollars
and
then
berkeley
county.
Obviously
it's
the
same
four
percent
property
and
then
charleston
county
for
six
percent
at
sixty
dollars
or
ninety
dollars,
depending
on
two
or
three
mills.
C
And
then
same
for
berkeley,
county.
C
And
then
so,
the
proposed
budget,
few
minor
changes
from
what
we
were
presented
last
week.
The
mayor
would
like
to
include
a
two
mil
increase
in
the
2022
budget
and
add
the
two
positions
annexation
coordinator,
which
we
talked
about
last
week
at
ad
hoc
and
then
the
associate
preservation,
planner
enforcement
officer
both
would
report
to
planning
and
then
also
restoring
overtime.
We
said
before
this
is
one
of
the
main
requests
from
our
department.
C
In
order
to
do
that,
because
we
don't
have
enough
people
and
then
also
for
their
special
operations,
companies
last
year
was
tough
for
them
to
continue
that
training
for
special
ops
because
of
the
overtime
cuts,
and
they
really
need
to
get
them
back
to
training
as
whole
companies
again
and
then.
So.
These
are
what
the
train,
the
changes
would
be:
the
annexation,
those
two
positions.
We
had
a
couple
other
minor
adjustments
that
we
made
in
the
parking
fund
and
then
the
restoration
of
overtime
would
bring
our
shortfall
to
3.8
million
dollars.
C
H
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
I
would
appreciate
hearing
your
reasons
for
making
that
change.
I
I
thought
that
the
ad
hoc
committee-
and
I
know
that
you
know
it's
not
our
budget,
it's
your
budget,
but
it
seemed
to
me
like
we
were
pretty
much
in
agreement
a
week
ago
that
three
mills
was
the
right
number
and
that
would
give
us
some
opportunity
to
even
entertain
a
couple
of
other
additions
to
the
budget
that
you
know
didn't
make
the
cut
when
you
were
trying
to
stay
at
the
2.2
million.
B
Well,
well,
I
I
did
speak
with
a
couple
other
council
members
who,
who
were
a
little
hesitant
about
three.
So
so
I
didn't
know
how
supportive
the
entire
council
would
be.
I
I
knew
also
that
councilmember
waring
and
I
are
working
on
an
initiative
that
might
bring
in
about
a
million
dollars
extra.
B
We'll
know
that
in
the
next
week
or
so,
and
and
so
that's
more
than
that's
a
half
a
mill
right
there,
and
then
I
wanted
to
try
to
keep
the
balance
between
that
net
millage
reduction
from
the
lost
and
the
increase
to
be
approximately
the
same.
To
be
honest
with
you
and
no
we're
we're
walking
that
balance
beam,
trying
to
balance
the
budget.
E
E
The
annexation
coordinator
is
going
to
help
fill
in
these
donut
holes
that
we
have,
and
that-
and
I
can
go
through
several
of
the
neighborhoods
in
my
district
that
are
half
in
and
half
out,
avondale
is
is
one
of
them.
Pinecrest
is
another
huntington.
Woods
is
another
one,
and
you
know
when
you
had
these
donut
holes
a
couple
things
are
happening:
number
one:
we're
not
collecting
a
tax
property
tax
from
those
folks,
those
residences
that
are
not
within
our
jurisdiction
and
council.
Member
wearing
just
pointed
this
out
early
on
in
this
presentation.
E
When
you
look
at
the
san
andreas
public
service
district,
they're
actually
paying
more
in
taxes
because
they
don't
get
the
benefit
of
the
lost
cut
that
we're
getting
so
they're
losing.
Now
they
don't
understand
that,
but
they're
losing
out.
You
have
a
garbage
truck
that
goes
down
one
street
and
it's
hopscotching
as
to
what
trash
is
picking
up
and
another
truck
comes
behind
it
that
fills
into
those
areas
that
are
not
within
the
city
limits.
E
E
You
just
you
run
into
these
roadblocks
from
time
to
time
that
you
can't
provide
them
with
good
service
because
their
streets
half
in
at
half
out
of
the
city,
jurisdiction
so
mayor.
I
I
really
do
appreciate
you
bringing
this
back
up
and
I
think
we're
going
to
see
our
money's
worth
when
we
hire
this
annexation
coordinator.
Thank
you
for
including
that
in
there.
B
B
B
So
we
we
we
just
got
to
be
mindful
and-
and
we
needed
an
enforcement
officer
to
to
follow
behind
all
of
our
zoning
and
and
design
boards
to
make
sure
that
that
folks
are
doing
what
we
they've
agreed
to
do.
A
One
question:
yes,
sir:
thank
you
to
get
back
to
amy
to
your
slide
a
bit
ago
with
the
the
two
mil
versus
three
mil
quite
full
transparency.
I'm
I'm
probably
supportive
of
either
one.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
go
back
to
that
hourly
rate
increase
that
councilman
griffin
mentioned
earlier
was
supportive
of
you
know
as
a
small
business
owner
right
now
I
can
tell
you
13
14
bucks.
A
An
hour
is
barely
competing,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
putting
ourselves
in
a
situation
where
we're
thinking
proactively
for
the
next
year
about
what
the
job
market's
going
to
to
unveil.
So
with
that
two
mill
increase.
Does
that?
Does
that
keep?
Does
that
increase
our
hourly
rates
to
14
bucks
an
hour.
I
I
C
So
that
was
the
other
thing
that
council
member
jackson
was
just
talking
about,
that.
We
talked
about
an
ad
hoc
as
three
mill
and
adding
so
having
the
rest,
restoring
overtime
and
then
also
having
the
full
year
pay
plan,
and
so
with
that
we
would
still
have
a
shortfall
of
about
600
000
that
we
would
need
to
cover
with
general
fund
reserves.
D
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
mayor
amy.
I
just
had
a
I
had
a
question
on.
We
were
showing
the
net
millage
and
then
we
were
showing
what
the
two
and
three
mil
increase
would
be.
Would
we
be
able
to
just
game
out
what
it
would
look
like
for
that
property
tax
bill
so
that
we
actually
can
show
that
to
the
citizens
in
terms
of
here's?
D
What
you
were
paying
like
on
your
bill
last
year
and
then
with
the
mill
increase,
what
you
would
potentially
pay
kind
of
overall,
because
I'm
sure
we
can
game
out
a
little
bit
what
the
los
t
could
look
like,
but
I
think
it's
just
important
that
people
just
kind
of
see
that
you
know
compared
to
two
years
ago.
Yes,
we
had
to
raise
the
millage
but
you're
going
to
be
paying
essentially
the
same
as
you
were
two
years
ago
or
you
know
whatever
that
ends
up
being.
C
We
can,
but
so
councilman
brady
what
happens
with
the
local
option.
Sales
tax
is
we'll
we'll
look
at
it
depending
on
what
the
millage
is,
that
we
decide
to
budget
for
and
we'll
have
a
budgeted
local
option,
sales
tax
credit,
but
in
september,
when
we
get
all
the
appraisal,
numbers
and
everything
we
look
at
it,
and
and
that's
when
we
kind
of
decide
for
the
tax
year,
what
that
local
option
sales
tax
number
will
be,
it
might
be
the
same
as
what
we
budgeted
or
it
might
not
be
so
really
until
september.
C
D
Yeah
cause
what
I'm
just
trying
to
drive
at
is
that
you
know
we're
showing
the
60
or
90
numbers
you
know
which,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
agree
with
councilman
rappel.
You
know
that's
a
rounding
error,
essentially
from
a
for
at
that
level
of
of
house
and
whatnot,
but
being
able
to
show
that
well
with
the
net
millage,
it's
actually
not
going
to
be
that
exact
number.
It's
actually
going
to
probably
be
much
lower.
F
I
Just
using
the
mayor,
the
mayor's
scenario,
58
dollars
for
a
three
mil
increase,
it
would
have
been
a
two
dollar
difference.
Correct.
Mr
mayor,
I
mean
your
tax
bill
would
have
actually.
B
My
my
assessment
on
my
property
is
a
little
over
300,
so
it
would
be
a
little.
I
J
I
promise
I'll
be
much
more
brief
this
time,
but
I
think
we've
had
we've
been
having
a
very
good
discussion
today.
It
would
be
neat
if
we
could
have
our
very
talented
staff.
That's
involved
in
you
know.
You
know
these
websites
that
are
created
and
all
these
interactive
online
tools
create
something
where
you
can
go
online
and
run
these
essentially
scenarios.
J
J
I
I
just
think
that
would
be
a
good
communications
tool
if
it's
feasible
to
create
so
that
you
know
when
you
talk
about
mills,
and
you
talk
about
lot,
you're
going
to
lose
people
real
real,
quick
people
want
to
know
what
is
the
bottom
line
going
to
be,
and
I
think,
to
the
extent
we
can
provide
a
tool
to
easily
help
people
do
that
by
actually
pulling
like
you
know,
I'm
envisioning
is
something
where
you
could
log
on
type
in
your
address
or
your
tms
number
or
something
like
that.
J
It
can
pull
the
assessed
value
from
the
county's
website,
run
the
calculations
and
show
you
what
your
net
tax
increase
will
be
factoring
in
the
loss
and
all
that
other
kind
of
stuff.
I
think
that'd
be
neat
if
we
could
pull
that
up
and
they
pull
that
off
without
having
to
do
another
tax
increase
just
to
fund
that
website.
B
Well,
that's
a
good
idea,
I'm
not
sure
we
could
pull
that
off
by
the
time.
We
need
to
pass
this
budget,
but
I'll,
ask
tracy
and
amy
to
to
think
on
that
to
look
at
it.
G
You,
while
we
talking
about
again
out
paying
out
people,
doing
this
in
two
phases-
I
I
said
this
early,
but
I
think
it's
repeating
to
fix
drainage
one
of
the
most
well.
G
I
probably
think
the
most
cost
effective
way
to
fix
a
drainage
problem
is
they
have
clean,
ditches
and
open
pipes
if
we're
going
to
give
a
period
in
january
and
then
another
one
in
six
months,
we
have
allowances
for
seven,
ditch
cleaning
crews
basically,
and
we
have
two-
we
have
two
for
the
whole
city
and
we're
to
wait
to
get
them
up
to
our
drainage
coordinator
has
told
her
that
we
can't
hire
people
at
13.50
and
out
now
the
two
that
we
have
the
two
crews
that
we
have,
I
think
about
seven
people
in
a
crew,
suppose
some
of
them
leave
between
january
and
in
june
of
january
and
july
1..
G
I
think
we
need
to
come
up
with
a
a
a
methodology
where
we
can
pay
our
people
beginning
january
1..
I
understand
clearly.
F
G
Miller
trying
to
ease
our
way
into
this,
but
1941
budgeted
employees
and
we
we
have
1640
301
positions
that
we
actually
have
budgeted.
We
can't
get
the
people
in
there,
amy
told
us
about
hr,
having
positions
advertised
and
how
many
people
hit
the
site
and
nobody
applied,
because
I
guess
the
pay
rate
was
too
low.
G
Anyway,
that's
not
the
way
to
run
a
railroad,
and
if
people
say
you
raise
my
taxes,
I
have
no
trouble
saying
why
we
raised
our
taxes
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
you
want
to
keep
it
simple,
let's
look
at
find
something
to
put
online
and
say:
compare
the
cities
across
south
carolina
and
then
millage
the
largest
city
in
in
the
state,
compared
to
number
two
three,
four,
five
on
military,
a
lot
of
people
will
be
shocked
to
figure
out
to
find
out
that
the
city
of
charleston
military
net
military
is
lower
than
my
pleasant
north
charleston
columbia.
G
G
I
agree
with
councilman
and
you
on
that
should
have
done
it
a
while
ago,
but
I
actually
think
the
time
has
come
for
us
to
have
a
serious
sit
down
a
conversation
that
doesn't
have
to
be
made
public,
even
though
I'm
asking
for
it
on
the
public
line,
the
psd
is
in
a
situation
where,
if
you
think
we're
in
a
situation,
they
have
less
people
every
year
to
spread
a
higher
cost
across
every
year.
We
annex
people
and
every
year
they
get,
they
don't
have
subdivisions
being
built
in
the
psp.
G
They
don't
have
office
buildings
being
built
in
psd.
Why
don't
we
just
sit
down
with
them
to
say
your
people
come
in
they're
gonna
get
a
tax
deduction.
We
will
absorb
your
firemen,
we'll
absorb
your
sanitation
people.
We
probably
can
use
some
of
the
administration
people
at
the
end
of
the
day.
We
did
that
on
their
sewer
services.
I
know
because
I
was
involved
with
a
lawsuit
when
the
psd
could
not
provide
sewage
to
the
subdivision
that
they
had
promised
us.
My
father
was
on
the
psd
at
the
time
and
I
brought
the
lawsuit.
G
The
psd
had
two
sewer
plants
and
they
went
out
of
the
sewer
business
mayor,
riley,
sat
down
with
them
and
said:
hey
look
guys.
We
can
take
over
your
sewage,
we
can
take
over
your
employees,
they're,
not
gonna,
go
unemployed
and
we
took
those
plants
city,
charles
or
cpw,
took
those
plants
over.
G
I
actually
think
we're
to
the
point
right
now
with
fire
and
with
sanitation
workers
where,
if
they,
if
they
thought
about
it,
the
leaders
of
the
psd,
those
commissioners
thought
about
they
could
give
a
tax
deduction
to
every
one
of
their
home
owner
occupied
citizens.
If
they
came
into
the
city
and
they
can
ensure
that
their
employees
probably
will
get
a
pay
raise
and
better
benefit.
G
Why
can't
we
sit
down
now?
They
can
say
no
to
that.
But
why
not
have
that
conversation
I
mean
we
can
hire
annexation
coordinator.
They
can
go
one
g,
one
g,
one
z
and
nx
people,
because
when
you
show
people
that
side
by
side
that
the
city
does
it's
pretty
compelling,
most
people
can
almost
save
enough
money
to
go
on
a
cruise.
I'm
not
making
this
up
if
they
annex
into
the
city.
G
I
don't
think
the
commissioners
at
psd
even
know
that,
so
I
why
not
reach
out
and
try
to
have
that
kind
of
conversation
with
the
psd,
because
I
gotta
tell
you
it
would
benefit
everybody
if
we
got
rid
of
these
donut
holes
from
the
standpoint
of
revitalizing,
wes
ashley
truth
be
known,
a
lot
of
the
blighted
areas
west
actually
frankly,
are
in
the
psd.
G
So
I
think
we
should
extend
the
hand
of
fellowship
if
you
will
to
the
leadership
of
the
psd
to
see.
Can
we
negotiate
something
that
makes
sense
for
them
and
certainly
for
the
citizens
of
charleston
anyway,
I
think,
there's
time
soon.
B
I'll
take
that
into
consideration.
Councilmember
gregory.
F
Yes,
mayor
just
to
follow
up
on
on
something
that
councilwoman
jackson
mentioned
at
our
last
meeting,
I
did
rick
make
the
recommendations
that
we
go
to
three
and
I
really
haven't
heard
anything
that
would
convince
me
differently,
because
I
think
that
we
should
not
balance
the
budget
on
the
backs
of
our
employees.
F
B
All
right
amy
did
you
have
any
more
or
was
I.
C
I
have
some
more
so
that's
what
the
budget
would
look
like
with
two
mills
and
the
460
000
that
I
mentioned
in
the
shortfall
that
we
would
have
to
fund
the
general
fund
reserves,
which
is
more
acceptable
to
fund
a
smaller
amount
of
general
fund
reserves.
And
then
I
just
kind
of
talk
about
with
the
two
mills.
C
C
But
it's
never
a
good
financial
strategy
to
use
general
fund
reserves
anyway
to
covering
ongoing
expenses
and
then
also
just
to
keep
in
mind
that
with
cap,
we
cover
many
of
our
capital
projects
with
assigned
fund
balance.
And
so,
if
we
weren't
going
to
use
some
of
this
additional
unassigned
that
we
have,
we
could
use
it
to
cover
some
of
the
shortfalls
we
have
in
some
of
our
projects
right
now.
C
These
are
just
examples
of
some
projects
that
we
have
shortfalls
because
of
the
increase
in
construction
costs
and
when
our
car
richardson
park,
general
contractor
has
asked
for
a
change
order
because
of
plumbing
materials
and
we're
expecting
that
more
contractors
are
going
to
ask
for
change
orders
because
of
the
increase
for
cost
of
materials.
So
we're
kind
of
managing
that
as
well.
C
We
need
to
send
the
militant
budget
information
to
the
paper
tomorrow
because
of
state
law
requires
us
to
do
that
and
then
we'll
have
the
full
draft
budget
to
you
next
week
and
then
I'm
just
asking
if
there's
any
questions
or
issues.
But
we've
had
this
discussion
about
three
mills,
I'm
not
exactly
sure
where
you
all
want
to
go
now.
B
All
right:
well,
I
guess
I'll
I'll
call
the
question
and
see
the
recommendation.
I
have
here
from
council
how
many
would
like
to
support
that.
F
C
Okay,
so
that's
really
all
I
had.
I
guess
I'm
moving
now
towards
a
three
mil
increase:
adding
the
full
year
pay
plan
for
employees
and
that's
what
we'll
send
to
the
paper
tomorrow
and
we
will
have
the
draft
budget
for
you
next
week.
I
What
is
that?
What
is
that
pay
that
pay
increase?
What?
What
is
the
sliding
scale
for
the
increases
in
terms
of
percentages.
C
Okay,
so
for
most
of
the
grades,
it's
seven
percent
or
so,
and
then
for
my
unclassified
pay
grade,
which
is
most
your
department
heads
it's
and
then
for
sworn
personnel.
It's
a
little
over
four.
These
are
just
right.
It's
four
point
something
percent,
because
you
know
we're
department,
heads
and
then
sworn
also
has
their
their
automatic
steps
and
things
like
that,
so
they
they
get
additional
increases.
So
that's
why
we
included
sworn
in
with
the
unclassified.
I
J
J
C
It's
a
full
pay
plan.
Adjustment
is
what
it
is,
because
when
you,
when
you're
increasing
minimum
wage,
you
have
compression
issues.
So
you
get
into
a
situation
where
a
staff
person
might
make
more
than
their
supervisor.
If
you
don't
adjust,
so
we
have
to
push
it
through
the
whole
entire
pay
plan,
and
so
that's
that's
what
how
it
works
out
so
between
four
and
seven.
Yes,.
G
Excellent
question:
amy
is,
if
with
the
three
mills
and
if
it
goes
up
to
whatever
it
is,
that's,
including
the
deduction
for.
C
E
Yeah
and
one
thing
this
is
not
for
our
consideration
today
or
for
for
this
year,
but
one
of
the
things
we
need
to
be
looking
at
as
this
minimum
wage
goes
up
and
amy
makes
those
adjustments
for
other
of
our
staff
that
the
increase
that
they
receive
either
four
to
seven
percent.
E
We've
seen
that
happen
on
a
few
instances,
I've
talked
to
some
of
our
directors
about
that,
but
that's
something
we
just
need
to
bring
up
later
on.
Let's
offer
our
discussion
right
now,
but
I
don't
want
us
to
walk
away
with
us
thinking.
We
have
solved
this
problem
completely
at
this
point
right.
B
Right,
I
I
concur
now
we
did
do
this
a
couple
of
years
ago
for
department
heads
but
honestly
there's
some
some
positions
like
engineering
positions
and
storm
water
engineers
that
have
needed
some,
some
some
adjustments,
because
where
we
were
with
the
marketplace
and
we
got
to
reserve
the
right
to
be
able
to
look
at
those
things
individually
as
need
comes
along
now,
what
we
did
a
couple
of
years
ago,
amy
correct
me.
B
If
I'm
wrong,
we
set
aside
a
little
reserve-
I
guess
you'd
call
it
for
the
year
so
that,
as
we
looked
at
those
kinds
of
desk
audits,
if
you
will
that
we
had
had
a
little
flexibility
to
adjust,
but
we
can
always
do
that
with
with
the
employees,
saving
some
line
item
as
well.
I
think,
but
you're
right,
you.
C
C
In
there
for
provision
for
salary
increases
mayor,
so
something
did
come
up
but,
like
I
said
pretty.
C
Single
department
has
been
having
this
issue
of
losing
employees,
and
this
this
pay
plan
adjustment
itself
will
will
take
care
of
us
having
to
do
800
different
desk
comments.
That
they've
been
asking
us
to
do,
and.
H
That
that's
that's
what
I
was
going
to
ask
when
will
the
employees
know
specifically
what
their
raise
is
based
on
that
range
of
four
to
seven?
So
will
they
get
a
a
a
notice
of
a
new
number
next
month
or
how
does
that
work
in
terms
of
what
they
can
be
planning?
Don't
pass
the
budget.
C
That's
right
and
then
we
don't
typically
send
anything
out.
Just
you
know,
with
the
first
pay
period
of
the
of
2022.
They'll
just
see
the
increase,
but
we
we
don't
typically
send
any
letters
out
or
anything
like
that.
Councilmember
jackson,
but
they'll.
D
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
mary,
and
I
I
just
wanted
to
piggyback
on
what
councilmember
shea
did
said.
You
know,
I
think
it's
also
important
if
we're
going
to
do
kind
of
the
pay
analysis
across
municipalities.
I
think
it's
also
important
that
we
take
the
time
to
look
at.
D
You
know
as
the
city's
kind
of
grown
over
time
and
the
staff
and
the
departments
for
us
to
look
at
if
our
current
structure
is
the
best
way
that
we're
optimizing
and
utilizing
our
resources
to
the
best
of
our
ability,
especially
with
this
the
advent
of
technology
and
other
measures
of
efficiency
and
productivity.
D
You
know
it
could
be
looking
at
whether
we're
structured
correctly
as
well
to
maximize
that
return
for
our
citizen.
So
I
would
ask
that,
if
we're
going
to
look
at
the
kind
of
pay
disparities
and
the
pay
bans
across
municipalities
that
we
also
just
you
know,
maybe
you
have
to
hire
a
consultant
or
anything
like
that,
but
you
know
just
to
look
at
our
departments
and
as
well
see
you
know
if
we're
structured,
the
best
for
mission
delivery.
B
All
right
anybody
else
well
thank
y'all,
great
discussion
and
great
concern.
As
I
started
out
today.
I
I
said
I
I
think
this
discussion
is
about
our
employees
today
and-
and
you
all
have
proven
that
so
so.
Thank
you
all
for
that
and
I
think
we're
heading
in
a
good
direction.
I
appreciate
it.