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City of Charleston Ad Hoc Budget Advisory Committee 9/29/20
A
B
E
E
E
F
B
F
I
heard
you
all
discussing
already,
but
I
wanted
to
shout
out
to
councilmember
raphael
and
his
wife
alexis,
who
generously
treated
our
sanitation
and
some
other
public
service
workers
today
to
a
lunch
from
rodney,
scott's
barbecue,
and
that
was
very
generous
ross,
and
I
know
it
was
well
appreciated
by
everyone.
Thank
you
for
doing
that.
F
We're
gonna,
get
right
on
to
the
meeting.
Amy
will
lead
us
as
we
fill
in
with
some
departments,
some
of
the
other
departments
we
haven't
spoken
about
yet
and
then
importantly,
she'll
be
sharing
with
y'all
some
preliminary
figures
about
our
revenue
situation
for
for
next
year,
and
I
I'd
probably
be
no
surprise
to
you
as
a
preview
that
we've.
As
you
know,
we've
had
a
challenging
year
this
year
in
2019,
with
with
a
loss
of
revenue
due
to
corona
19
covert
19..
F
F
H
I
did
get
a
new
computer,
so
hopefully
we'll
be
we'll
be
okay,
so
we'll
just
go
over
planning,
executive
and
recreation.
We
had
really
none
of
these
departments
really
had
any
big
requests
or
anything
for
planning
their
biggest
thing.
Things
that
they
requested
are,
as
you
can
see,
on
the
screen,
an
associate
planner,
the
central
business
district
bid.
There
was
a
diversity
and
inclusion
assessment,
west,
ashley,
revitalization
implementation
and
then
historic,
property
survey
and
inventory,
or
the
main
additional
things
they
requested
this
year.
H
But
their
comprehensive
plan
will
be
pretty
much
complete,
so
they've
had
a
pretty
big
reduction
in
their
budget
from
2020
anyway,
and
then
executive
has
a
bunch
of
different
divisions
in
it
municipal
court.
The
biggest
thing
is
the
dui
public
defender,
we're
really
not
sure,
because
they
haven't
been
really
having
that
court
consistently
for
us
to
have
a
good
number
for
that,
so
we're
just
watching
it
for
another
month
or
so,
but
we're
we're
figuring
it'll
be
around
30
to
40
thousand
dollars,
we'll
need
to
include
in
2021's
budget
resiliency
emergency
management.
H
And
then
cultural
affairs
requested
five
thousand
dollars
for
the
poet
laureate,
stipend
and
those
are
really
just
the
additional
asks
for
executive
and
then
recreation.
They
did
ask
for
six
recreation
specialists
and
then
the
biggest
was
golf
course
which
we've
discussed
a
lot,
and
I
guess
a
couple
meetings
ago,
which
we've
discussed
all
of
those
asks
that
they
have
and
I'm
not
exactly
sure
when
the
golf
course
commission
will
be
meeting
for
them
to
look
to
approve
the
fees
that
we
had
discussed
a
couple
meetings
ago.
D
Amy
going
back
to
municipal
court,
I
do
know
that
the
south
carolina
chief
justice
has
issued
a
new
administrative
order,
so
jury
trials
will
be
getting
back
into
gear.
At
some
point,
suppose
we
got
submit
a
record
administration
has
to
submit
a
plan
for
how
they're
going
to
do
that
and
they
have
the
ability
to
start
jury
trials
back
in
november.
So
I
don't
know
how
those
numbers
may
be
impacted
with
the
resumption
of
jury
trials
with
the
new
public
defender
and
them
actually
having
court
hearing
dates.
H
G
H
F
H
Right
so
this
was
the
other
part
too.
Is
we
really
need
to
work
with
them
to
incorporate
it
into
the
fire
department?
So
a
lot
of
the
resiliency
emergency
management?
Well,
probably
more
so
just
emergency
management.
We
need
to
work
with
the
fire
department
to
kind
of
incorporate
them
into
the
fire
department's
budget.
So
that's
another.
C
H
G
H
B
F
One
more
question:
amy:
on
the
golf
items
I
know
we
talked
at
maybe
one
last
meeting
but
meeting
before
about
raising
the
rates,
and
maybe
we
had
a
little
issue
to
resolve
with
that.
But
am
I
correct
in
saying
that
all
additional
expenses
would
be
more
than
covered
by
the
increase
in
fees
that
we
were
proposing.
H
B
H
H
H
So
you
see
the
200
and
almost
206
right
here
for
a
general
fund
and
then
30
million
for
enterprise
funds.
That's
including
the
reductions
in
2020.
Our
budget
was
almost
238
million
dollars
with
both
with
both
of
those
general
fund
and
the
enterprise
fund,
so
we
actually
reduced
2021
by
1.9
million
dollars
after
the
cuts
that
we
asked
them
to
make.
So
that's
where
we
stand
right
now,
with
the
expenditures.
H
D
E
H
And
so
our
preliminary
revenues
just
for
general
fund
and
enterprise
funds
right
now
we're
at
almost
183
million
dollars
for
general
fund
and
almost
30
well,
29.4
million
for
enterprise
for
a
total
of
212
million
dollars.
Our
2020
budget
for
revenues
for
general
fund
and
enterprise
funds
was
231.5
million
dollars,
so
our
delta
from
2021
to
20
is
almost
19
and
a
half
million
dollars
in
latin
reduction
in
revenue
from
year
to
year
and
I'll
show
you
a
breakdown
of
that.
You
can
see
the
enterprise
funds
breakdown.
G
G
H
G
G
G
H
So
to
talk
about
property
taxes,
that's
the
only
revenue
that
we
have
that's
trending
positively
into
2021..
2020
was
a
reassessment
year
for
charleston
county.
It
requires
a
rollback
calculation
and
local
option.
Sales
tax
actually
made
the
rollback
a
little
bit
difficult
this
year
because
our
revenues
are
down
so
much
in
local
options:
sales
tax,
so
the
loss.
H
So
it
made
it
a
little
hard
for
us
to
do
a
a
rollback
calculation
which
is
normally
where
we
reduce
millage
and,
and
then
a
pre-assessment
year
with
the
world
back
I'll,
explain
that
a
little
bit
berkeley
county
fared
better
than
charleston
county
because
we're
not
seeing
the
reduction
in
local
options.
Sales
tax
revenues
in
berkeley
county
like
we
are
in
charleston
county.
D
H
H
D
F
H
E
Council
member
jackson
had
a
question
thank
license
fee
is
such
a
a
big
number
that
the
difference
from
last
this
year
last
year
can?
Can
you
spend
a
few
more
minutes
on
explaining
to
us
how
you
came
up
with
that
projection?
I
mean.
Is
it
based
on
businesses?
We
know
didn't
come
back
for
licenses
this
year
or
do
we
know
that
they're
out
of
business
or.
H
E
It
makes
sense
I
mean
I
know
you
had
to
use
some
sort
of
formula
that
you
know
we
should.
We
should
believe
it
and
trust
your
logic
with
you,
but
I
do
think
it
would
be
really
helpful
information
if
it's
not
too
complicated.
You
know
spreadsheet
or
something
like
that.
I
I
think
that
that
one
in
particular,
because
it's
it's
it's
a
trend.
If
it
continues
to
be
a
trend,
we
all
have
to
work
hard
to
bring
back.
So
I
I
I
think
would
be
really
interesting
to
know
by
industry
by
all.
C
E
F
H
Okay,
so
just
going
on
to
property,
tax
and
millage
calculations,
because
we
had
to
give
our
millage
number
to
charleston
and
berkeley
county
for
2020,
and
this
is
where
you'll
see
the
rollback
calculation.
So
you
see-
and
I
just
put
four
years
here
just
as
a
comparison
for
everyone.
You
know
we
had
the
increase
in
2019
for
public
safety
infrastructure,
so
that
was
the
increase
to
79.6
mills
and
with
the
rollback
calculation
we
were
able
to
roll
back
millage
to
74.3.
H
E
H
Rollback
fund
and
then
there's
a
revenue
fund,
rollback
funding.
We
have
to
give
back
to
the
taxpayers
as
a
as
a
as
property
tax
relief
and
then
the
revenue
fund.
You
can
choose
to
keep
that
or
you
can
roll
it
back
to
the
citizens.
We've
talked
about
before
the
city
of
charleston
back
in,
I
guess
99
or
some
point
in
time
had
decided
to
give
100
of
it
back.
E
Yeah
and
then
that's
just
just
that
to
make
the
continuum
we,
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
last
meeting
of
the
meeting
before
that.
It
wouldn't
make
sense
for
us
to
try
to
change
that
decision,
that
we've
always
stayed
on
as
far
as
giving
it
all
back
to
the
to
the
property
owners,
but
in
in
the
future
2022
we
could
be
doing
the
due
diligence
making
up
our
minds
about
that
crafting
an
ordinance
if
we
decided
that
we
really,
you
know.
H
We
could
actually
do
that
for
21.
It
was
2020
we
couldn't
get
it
done
for
because
of
the
public
hearings
and
everything,
but
we
could
wrap
this
that
all
up
into
our
2021
budget
and
get
that
done
if
that
was
something
that
everybody
wanted
to
do,
and
I
have
slides
on
that
just
to
show
you
with
the
new
millage
rates
and
all
that
what
that
would
mean
for
us,
okay,
great
I'll,
look
forward
to
that
thanks.
So
right
now
for
2021
same
millage
as
what
we
did
for
2020.
H
H
F
We
have
in
our
operating
millage
a
reduction
of
5.3
mills
to
compensate
for
that
increase
in
assessed
value,
but
it's
a
little
more
complicated
than
that
because
of
the
local
options.
Sales,
tax,
credit,
the
fact
that
sales
taxes
weren't
collected
to
the
same
degree
because
people
weren't
selling
as
much
stuff.
So
so
as
a
practical
matter,
property
owners
will
not
see
quite
as
much
of
credit
from
the
local
options
sales
tax,
even
though
we're
giving
it
all
back
to
them.
H
E
H
H
need
to
maintain
our
millage
as
much
as
we
can,
because
we
have
two
new
fire
stations
that
will
come
online
in
the
next,
probably
within
three
years,
that
we
need
to
ensure
that
we
can
cover
the
cost
of
those
stations
and
the
equipment
and
the
personnel
that
will
go
in
into
them
local
option
sales
tax.
We
discussed
this-
I
don't
know
two
or
three
meetings
ago,
which
I
will
go
into
now.
H
D
H
D
B
B
F
Council
member
shade,
I
would
only
caution
you
in
making
that
conclusion
pointing
out
that
there's
a
number
of
new
construction,
new
buildings
that
went
on
the
tax
rolls
and-
and
you
know
we-
we
reduce
the
millage
5.3
to
compensate
for
that
increase
assessment
for
existing
properties.
I
don't
know
what
I
doubt.
Amy
knows
at
this
point,
what
the
what
the
breakdown
would
be,
but
some
of
that
seven
million
dollars
in
increase
is
due
to
the
fact
that
we
we
have
new.
D
Right
so
amy
that
would-
and
that's
I'm
glad
the
mayor
pointed
that
out
to
us,
so
the
the
other
question
may
be,
because
we
want
to
always
be
comparing
apples.
Apples
and
oranges
to
oranges
is
that
because
the
city
is
growing
because
of
new
development,
there's
always
going
to
be
an
increase
in
property
taxes.
D
B
D
May
be
more
modest
than
other
years,
which
which
goes
back
to
my
question-
that
it
may
not
necessarily
be
a
increase
in
property
taxes
per
each
individual
property
owner,
maybe
because,
as
the
mayor
pointed
out
as
a
result
of
new
development,
but
part
of
that
7.7
million-
and
we
don't
know
what
that
percentage
is.
Some
of
our
7.7
million
is
because
houses
or
property
went
up
in
value.
The
reassessment
has
increased
their
basic
tax
property
tax
payments
or
whatever
tax
they
pay
in
2019,
maybe
increase
to
some
level
in
2020
and
2020.
with
it.
F
F
So
so
an
existing
homeowner,
yes,
may
see
a
a
slight
increase,
but
it
really
will
be
pretty
marginal
because
it's
controlled
by
that
15
cap
and
the
fact
that
we've
reduced
our
millage,
where
you
get
that
bonus,
so
to
speak.
From
our
point
of
view,
extra
dollars
in
is
from
new
development
and
from
people
who
are
selling
their
properties
and
they
they
lose
that
15
cap
or
whatever
you
know
when
you
sell
your
property.
It
goes
up
to
whatever
this
the
current
assessed
and
appraised
value
is
so
it's
it's
complicated.
H
D
I
I
don't
want
to
pay
a
broad
brush
and
say:
every
property
owner
in
charleston
in
the
city
of
charleston
is
going
to
realize
a
increase
or
even
a
significant
increase
in
their
property
taxes,
because
the
mayor's
point
is
is
well
taken
on
on
the
15th
and
the
mill
is
being
dropped,
but
there
are
going
to
be
some
folks,
it
may
be
minuscule,
it
may
be
significant.
I
don't
we
don't
know
that,
but
there
there
will
be
some
property
owners
who
will
experience
some
level
of
increase
in
their
property
tax.
H
Yes,
any
given
year,
councilman,
shade
too,
like
the
mayor
said
with
was
sales
of
homes,
and
things
like
that
as
well.
So
you
know,
you've
got
you've
got
cpi
in
that
calculation.
You
have
growth
in
the
calculations,
so
it
isn't
all
just
because
of
reassessment
that
our
property
taxes
went
up.
7.7
million
dollars.
E
E
I
was
just
going
to
say
the
value,
though
I
think
will
be
for
people
who
have
lived
here
for
a
long
time,
and
then
they
haven't
thought
about.
You
know
resale
of
their
property.
I
mean
kids
are
a
good
example.
They
about
a
1950s
contemporary
house
that
it
had
gone.
You
know
basically
was
unlivable
when
they
bought
it,
they
fixed
it
up.
G
G
G
A
A
Listening
into
this,
with
with
alarm
that
you
know
property
taxes,
are
you
know,
being
reassessed
this
year
and
you
know,
given
the
kind
of
amazing
you
know,
appreciation
and
value
we've
seen
those
types
of
reassessments
are
capped
at
15
of
you
know
the
value,
so
in
other
words,
if
your,
if
your
property
doubled
in
value,
your
assessed
value
does
not
double
it.
It
goes
up
to
whatever
15
percent
is,
and
it's
capped
at
that.
A
The
only
time
you
have
your
property
completely
assessed,
reassessed
at
fair
market
value
or
what
you
know
approaches
fair
market
value
is,
when
there's
an
actual
sale
of
the
property
right
it
trues
up
and
that
can
actually
hap.
That
happens
at
any
time,
and
that
could
be
what
explains
councilmember
waring's
point
about
how
we
get
some
of
these
jumps
in
non-reassessment
years,
and
this
could
be
the
case
when
you're
selling
your
your
home
or
some
of
these
big
deals.
We
see
around
town,
you
know
when
that
changes
hands
to
some.
A
A
I
know
about
property
tax
in
south
carolina
all
this
other
stuff
about
rollbacks
and
credits,
and
I
mean
this
is
a
perfect
example
about
information
where
I
can
read
it
understand
it
in
the
moment,
but
this
is
some
complicated
stuff
that
that
always
needs
a
little
bit
of
refreshing
when
I
go
through
it,
but
the
ati
and
the
in
the
true
up
are
two
things.
I
think
that
we
ought
to
keep
in
mind
as
we're
having
these
discussions.
Thank
y'all.
F
That's
a
good
point:
I'm
gonna
make
one
more
again.
This
is
more
for
the
general
public
if
anybody's
listening
all
this
talk
about
a
reassessment
and
appraisals,
that's
by
the
county
by
the
assessor's
office
and
not
by
the
city,
and
everyone
has
the
right
to
appeal
what
the
county
says.
Your
property
is
worth.
F
You
should
have
gotten
a
notice.
I
got
one
at
home
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
saying
what
they
felt.
My
home
was
now
worth
course,
I'm
subject
to
the
15
cap,
because
I'm
a
homeowner
and
haven't
sold
my
house,
but
even
if
I
wasn't
protected
by
that,
I
could
still
disagree
with
the
county
if
I
thought
they
had
gone
overboard
with
with
my
re-appraisal
and
assessment.
H
Councilmember
wary
I
have
so
in
2018
we
budgeted
almost
76
million
dollars
for
property
taxes
and
then
19
we
budgeted
84
million.
So
it's
still
a
big
jump
and
oftentimes.
You
know,
depending
on
the
assessments
and
what's
coming
online,
that
we
know
will
be
coming
online.
That
could
be
what
the
jumps
are
like
that,
so
it
isn't,
it
isn't
really
much
different
than
what
we
have
this
year.
G
And
that's
why
I
asked
the
question
because
I
thought
it
was
something
similar,
so
I'm
just
wondering
whether
our
estimate
may
be
a
little
bit
low
on
the
revenue
side,
in
other
words,
if
it's
roughly
eight
million
seven
to
eight
million
from
one
year
to
the
next.
Without
reassessment
coming
into
play,
you
know
this
year
we
will
have
reassessment
as
a
factor
I
mean
we
may
get
a
pleasant
surprise
on
the
upside
as
well.
H
F
You
know
one
one
option
that
we
will
need
to
consider
is
whether
to
to
do
a
partial,
keep
a
part
of
this
rollback
which
we
are
legally
allowed
to
do
almost
every
other
city
in
the
region.
Does
it
and
if
we
kept
a
quarter
of
it,
we
we'd
add
2.28
million
dollars
in
revenue.
If
we
kept
half
of
what
we
were
allowed,
we
would
add
4.56
million.
F
G
H
H
H
And
then
I
just
wanted
to
mention
to
you
that
tip
districts,
because,
while
they're
really
really
great,
they
also
take
away
from
the
general
fund
just
to
let
you
know
the
amount
of
tip
revenues
that
we
that
take
away
from
the
general
fund
every
year.
So
it's
around
seven
point
almost
7.2
million
dollars
as
of
12
31
2019
and
those
are
the
numbers.
F
All
right
so
just
an
explanation:
the
tif
districts
actually
collect.
We,
we
also
collect,
keep
so
to
speak,
the
county
portion
and,
in
some
cases,
not
always
the
school
district
portion
so
that
tip
money
is
the
city
portion
there's
another
at
least
equal
to
that,
maybe
one
and
a
half
times
that,
in
addition,
so.
F
H
H
Okay!
So
then,
just
talking
about
other
revenues
that
we
kind
of
went
through
that
list,
but
business
licenses,
10
million
dollars
less
in
revenues.
We've
talked
about
that
already
a
lot,
so
you
I'll
just
move
on.
Unless
you
have
other
questions,
permits
and
fees,
majority
of
the
reduction
is
in
building
inspection
fees,
so
we're
expecting
a
declining
construction
or
delay
in
new
projects.
H
A
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
had
a
quick
question
for
amy
and
if
we
don't
know
the
answer
to
this,
we
can
get
back
to
it
a
later
date,
but
I
was
wondering
if
ppp
related
loans
or
count
as
income
for
the
purposes
of
the
gross
revenue
calculation
for
business
license
taxes,
because
that
that
money
is
being
run
through
the
business,
and
I
know
that
it's
a
very
I
mean
we
wouldn't
think
of
that.
Normally
as
income.
A
A
G
H
Sales
tax
what's
included
in
that,
and
those
revenues
is
local
option
sales,
tax,
the
state
traffic,
signalization
and
local
government
fund,
and
so
the
reduction
you
see
there
is
all
local
options:
sales,
tax,
franchise
fees,
we've
taken
a
pretty
big
hit
and
franchise
fees
over
the
last
few
years,
and
we've
talked
with
danny
kassis
about
that,
and
he
said
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
factors
that
have
drove
the
electric
rates
down.
Some
of
it
was
rate
cuts,
some
of
its
impact
of
tax
cut
in
the
jobs
act.
H
H
Okay,
so
this
is
what
the
mayor
was
talking
about.
So
we
talked
about
this
earlier
is
what
our
bottom
line
looks
like
right
now
and
obviously
this
is
very
preliminary
and
we
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do.
But
if
you
see
right
here,
we
have
a
24
million
dollar
deficit
right
now
and
that's
even
after
we
asked
all
the
departments
to
cut
and
that's
without
any
any
of
the
additional
requests
that
they
asked
for.
H
So
we
do
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do,
because
that's
a
big
number,
probably
bigger
than
we've
ever
seen
before,
and
it's
all
because
of
revenue.
I
mean
we've
done
a
pretty
good
job
with
the
expenditure
side,
we're
just
going
to
have
to
call
back
through
and
look
at
those
base
budgets
and
see
what
else
we
we
might
be
able
to
cut.
H
So,
like
I
said
we'll
still,
we
still.
These
are
some
things
that
we
haven't
calculated
yet
salary
savings,
we're
obviously
going
to
have
to
keep
the
hiring
freeze
into
2021.
So
we
can.
We
can
calculate
a
better
salary
savings
number
right
now.
We
have
it
as
what
we
we
had
budgeted
in
2020.
I
think
it's
a
little
like
4.1
million,
so
that
will
increase
a
lot
for
salary
savings.
Like
I
said,
our
estimates
of
revenues
are
very
conservative,
so
we
will
reevaluate
and
adjust
where
appropriate.
H
Some
of
this
is
even
with
the
tourism
we
had
a
transfer
in
from
our
tourism
funds,
that's
obviously
less
than
what
we
would
normally
do
and
we're
waiting
for
one
more
good
month
of
tourism
revenues
just
to
see
where
we
are.
We
can
reevaluate
that,
but
I
think
last
year
we
transferred
in
9.8
million
dollars
or
maybe
7.7
this
year,
which
is
still
fairly
good,
considering
we're
still
waiting
on
property
insurance
information,
but
we
are
expecting
an
increase
at
probably
around
200
thousand
dollars
from
payment
impacts.
H
H
B
H
And
then
absent
any
stimulus
package
from
the
federal
government.
Tough
decisions
will
need
to
be
made.
Obviously
we
talked
about
revenue
increases.
What
we'll
do
with
property
taxes,
other
fees
that
we
might
decide
to
increase.
I
know
keith
had
talked
about
some
of
his
fees
for
traffic
and
transportation.
We
talked
about
parking
residential
permits
and
those
types
of
things
that
we
can.
H
We
can
look
at
expenditure
decreases
like
I
said,
we'll
need
to
call
through
those
base
budgets
and
see
what
else
we
we
can
cut
out
what,
if
there's
any
service
reductions
that
we're
talking
about
mandatory
time
off
for
our
employees
no
cola,
and
then
that's
really.
All
I
had
our
next
meeting
is
on
october
15th.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
any
questions
or
you
want
to
discuss
anything
else.
D
D
H
H
H
D
H
Like
it's
ver,
we'll
keep
going
through
all
these
revenues.
Like
I
said
we
should
have
a
little
bit
more
information
on
tourism
to
see
what
we
can
do
with
the
with
the
with
the
transfer
into
the
general
fund,
we're
looking
at
parking
still
even
with
expenditures.
If
there's
other
areas,
we
might
be
able
to
reduce
in
parking
and
looking
back
over
those
fees
again,
we're
really
kind
of
going
back
through
all
the
revenues
to
see
what
we
can.
What
we
can
squeeze
out.
E
I
I
guess
I
was
just
trying
to
get
a
feel.
I
know
that
you
know
we're
trying
to
be
as
safe
and
conservative
as
possible
in
the
in
the
emergency
season
that
we're
in,
but
I
I
personally
think
it's
really
hard
to
be.
You
know
talking
about
serious
decisions
like
this
without
trying
to
be
in
the
same
room.
So
I
appeal
to
the
mayor-
and
you
to
you
know,
figure
out
a
way
that
we
can
meet
together
safely
for
the
for
the
meetings
that
we're
gonna
have
to.
D
F
D
Hey
mayor,
can
I
give
a
shout
out
to
amy
on
something
else.
The
amy
I
was
preparing
for
my
constituent
forum
on
saturday
into
some
issues
about
budgets
had
come
up,
so
I
went
to
the
city's
website
and
pulled
up
our
budget.
It
was
so
easy
to
navigate
and
to
pull
out
certain
things.
I
was
looking
for
y'all
y'all
just
do
such
a
terrific
job
with
getting
that
out
there.
D
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
for
doing
that
and
I'm
not
sure
who's
all
involved
with
that
process,
but
there
was
the
charts
just
the
that
you
have
out
there,
the
spreadsheets
you
have
out
there
and
the
way
you
broke
it
down,
which
is
so
easy
to
access.
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
give
you
a
big
shout
out
for
all
that
hard
work.
A
F
H
F
Thank
you,
budget
staff,
they've
done
remarkable,
so
maybe
on
or
relevant
to
council
member
jackson's
request.
You
know
per
council's
request.
We
will
be
coming
to
you
next
meeting
with
at
least
a
plan
for
for
ways
and
means
and
city
council
to
be
able
to
meet
again
in
person.
Tracy's
been
working
on
that.
In
addition,
our
numbers
locally
have
continued
to
be
good
and
at
this
point,
we're
we're
planning
on
flipping
the
switch
to
up
to
phase
three
starting
next
monday.
For
for
our
city
of
charleston
offices.
F
It's
it's
not
a
huge
differential
over
phase
two,
but
it
does
open
our
offices
up
a
little
bit
more
we're
gonna
still
prefer
appointments
and,
and
of
course,
we'll
do
all
the
social
distancing
and
all
so
so.
We're
inching
that
direction
just
just
as
the
numbers
have
been
good
and
then
I
wanted
to
mention
dion.
F
What's
the
name
of
the
city
now
I
can't
even
think
of
it.
It's
where
the
university
of
colorado
is
boulder.
Yeah
he's
been
given
an
offer.
He
can't
refuse
and
and
he's
going
to
be,
leaving
us
to
go
to
boulder
at
the
end
of
this
month
and
mandy
herring
is
on
the
line
and
she's
graciously
agreed
to
serve
as
the
interim
director
department
head
until
such
time
as
we
get
a
permanent
replacement
and
and
she's
got
a
steady
hand
and
gonna
do
a
great
job
in
the
meantime.
D
Mr
mayor,
just
one
suggestion
or
a
comment
about
if
we
are
headed
towards
a
in-person
meeting,
I
know
from
prior
experiences
when
we
move
when
we
meet
outside
of
city
council
duo,
take
our
show
on
the
road
so
to
speak,
we
we
have
to
share
a
microphone
and
that's
in
regular
times
that's
cumbersome
because
we're
literally
passing
our
microphone
around
if
we
were
going
to.
If
you
were
headed
in
that
direction.
D
One
of
the
main
issues
I've
had
in
the
past
is
the
ability
to
hear
and
see
because
the
way
that
we're
set
up
so
the
technology
I
know,
has
improved
tremendously.
Wherever
we
meet,
I'm
I'm
sure
we're
going
to
be
safe
in
distance,
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
simple
things
we
need
to
make
sure
is
that
we
all
have
our
own
microphone.
D
G
H
G
I'm
right
there
with
the
mirror
when
you're
talking
about
this
lost
potential
rollback
and
changing
that
that's
not
gonna
be
popular,
but
I'm
right
there
really
ready
to
take
a
hit
upside
down
with
everybody
else
on
that
one,
because
I
think,
if
should
we
do
it,
I
definitely
think
ought
to
be
only
because
of
pandemic
reasons.
That's
why
we
wouldn't
want
that
to
become
when
revenues
do
balance
out.
We
should
be
able
to
give
that
back.
G
So
I
know
that's
one
area
that
we
need
to
look
at
and
the
reason
I
would
ask
everybody
to
look
at.
That
is
because
look
at
what
we
had
to
do
to
balance
this
budget.
To
finish
down
the
20
bucks
we
had
to
borrow,
we
had
to
take
monies
from
our
emergency
reserve,
which
is
a
one-off.
We
can't
do
that
in
21..
That's
right.
G
And
then
we
did
it.
We
did
a
a
tax
anticipation,
note
again,
which
is
another
one
off
wonderful
for
20,
but
those
aren't
going
to
be
real
solutions
for
21.,
so
the
hard
choices
we're
at
that
point.
We
have
to
make
those
hard
choices.
Now
I
mean
the
unpopular
choices
now,
which
way
provides
the
least
amount
of
pain
for
the
taxpayer
and
which
one
allows
us
to
keep
our
people
on
board.
So
we
can
not
not
furlough
people
and
not
lay
people
off
and
continue
to
live.
G
H
H
H
F
Right,
any
other
questions
or
comments
well.
Well,
thank
you
all
and
again,
thank
you,
amy
and
your
staff
for
pulling
all
this
together.
It's
so
helpful
and
it
is,
it
will
be
a
challenging
month
or
two,
but
we're
going
to
get
through
this
we're
going
to
figure
this
out,
have
a
balanced
budget
and
and
somehow
make
it
all
work,
but
we're
all
going
to
have
to
be
a
team
and
and
work
on
this
together
over
the
next
45
days
or
so.